The Talk Show

102: ‘Maybe You Don’t Take an Apprentice’, With Dave Wiskus

 

  is this the show we gonna show you this show could be which 2015 mega franchise [TS]

  sequel news are you more excited about this week we've got star wars with a new [TS]

  trailer that came out like a week before Thanksgiving and we've got now as of [TS]

  today the day recording a title and cast for the 24th bond I said to me [TS]

  Star Wars and only because I've seen some of it getting the see the [TS]

  Millennium Falcon flying over some saying wherever that was tattooing or [TS]

  whatever it was that but you get chills [TS]

  pretty interesting to me because they're probably my two favorite franchises [TS]

  drawing a blank on anything else that you would call a franchise that I could [TS]

  put up there with them the world may be out there with them but the Marvel [TS]

  Cinematic Universe stuff I like that stuff but it is not does no Marvel movie [TS]

  that ever been announced that's gotten me anywhere near as excited as either of [TS]

  these that maybe it's because it's only getting maybe in 30 years I think [TS]

  someday Jonas when they reboot the marble slab generous would get that [TS]

  excited I don't know I know I would I just don't think that their of the [TS]

  calibre were you seen Guardian yea I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it's the [TS]

  caliber Star Wars but I'd say that that's the thing that i've seen in [TS]

  theaters lately that gave me anywhere near that same level of feeling yeah but [TS]

  it's still a guardian knowing the guardians of the galaxy Tues coming out [TS]

  when they when they announced the trailer whatever it is no way that i'm [TS]

  gonna be as excited as I am about either of these movies yeah that's cause he [TS]

  grew up with Star Wars well and group of James Bond maybe that's it I'm not even [TS]

  saying it because quality Anderson right [TS]

  Anderson it's just interesting to me though because they're the two my two [TS]

  favorite franchises and they're coming out in such close proximity to each [TS]

  other so Star Wars is dated December 2015 yet December and then was in [TS]

  november ninth for bonds are six there's something but it's a perfect day [TS]

  yeah I'm surprised that the bond movie it doesn't even start filming until [TS]

  Monday so it's gonna be in theaters in November I honestly thought that [TS]

  blockbuster action movies like that took more than here [TS]

  well they've they knew about the movie seems like the visual effects well done [TS]

  they've got to go and shoot it real quick [TS]

  effects are jammed but I guess it just goes to show how much longer production [TS]

  and clearly these are two franchises that are known for their high production [TS]

  values you know bonded and Star Wars yeah I think it just goes to show how [TS]

  much more time it takes to make a truly effects Laden film like Star Wars film [TS]

  then I mean obviously there's a lot of effects work in a Bond movie but a lot [TS]

  of the sets and everything are practical and so I guess it doesn't take that much [TS]

  longer to add it you know after shooting star wars will ya te visual thing not [TS]

  just that there's more visual effects but i dont im I haven't seen the script [TS]

  for the new Bond movie but I'm guessing that none of the characters are fully CG [TS]

  yeah I mean I hope there's no charger I guess I just as curious I just seems to [TS]

  seems the pace of Star Wars seems exactly right to me and I know that if I [TS]

  were a kid like when I was a kid and the Star Wars movies our new intern at first [TS]

  I thought it took impossibly long for each one to come out [TS]

  I I could not believe how did you know that way for years for the Empire [TS]

  Strikes Back and it was another two years for Return of the Jedi I couldn't [TS]

  believe I had to wait that long because I just add another patient but now that [TS]

  I'm an adult like ever since this new Star Wars movie was announced the whole [TS]

  thing where Lucas is selling it to Disney and you know that they have a new [TS]

  trilogy and gonna be you know basic just it's going to be the original you know [TS]

  cast thirty years later you know more or less the same anytime in the real world [TS]

  that passed since Star Wars is gonna be in their universe what it is and then [TS]

  they announced JJA Abrams was gonna direct and the writers in etcetera and [TS]

  the the schedule in just felt to me like this all seems fair this seems like a [TS]

  reasonable amount of time like this is proceeding at a reasonable pace and 2015 [TS]

  sounds like a reasonable time for the movie to come out this bond movie that [TS]

  they're not shooting until Monday coming out 11 months from now that seems crazy [TS]

  you say that book episode 1 Phantom Menace came out in ninety nine and [TS]

  attack of the clones came out in 2001 and then come into the city motors in [TS]

  three sets two years between movie gotta figure they probably took a little bit [TS]

  of time off between [TS]

  so let's say let's say a year and a half due to do each one of those I guess I [TS]

  don't know it just you and those are i mean they had to make george are they [TS]

  hadn't made all those clones they had to do the i mean that there's a lot of not [TS]

  just make an explosion put it over here and do some green screen stuff but like [TS]

  fully realized well more less fully realize he characters that have to be [TS]

  enemy that little details I I can see it I can see how that would take longer if [TS]

  they can do that in a year and a half but it's not inconceivable that you mean [TS]

  did they make quantum of Solace and the weekend [TS]

  visual effects of everything but not that I'm putting you on the spot because [TS]

  it is it is it is it is dangerous [TS]

  not dangerous but its hallowed the talk-show ground talking about the Bond [TS]

  movies [TS]

  forgot about that and it is something that I purposely in deliberately did not [TS]

  you know the old run with with Dan Benjamin we did that thing where we went [TS]

  through all 12 22 and 20 to be included never say never again which is not an [TS]

  option so we did 23 episodes of the show where one Bond movie per show you know [TS]

  spent like an hour talking about which was a lot of fun I think the longtime [TS]

  listeners of the show when people come up to me it easier for everybody to have [TS]

  a comment about the shower always about the bonds series I remember I listen to [TS]

  this at a time when I hadn't even seen all the movies and but that part of the [TS]

  show you know has a lot more staying power than the first half of the show [TS]

  right exactly evergreen write it you know and i didnt [TS]

  dan and I broke up and he's not here and then Skyfall came out and so there was [TS]

  no episode where did that and I don't think there ever will be I don't be [TS]

  right to do it with somebody else and happened and Benjamin but we can talk [TS]

  about you know without going for a whole hour about Skyfall we can still talk [TS]

  bond but it's tough spot here people are going up against the old stuff well I [TS]

  just hope I can live up to expectations so you're more excited about Star Wars [TS]

  then then then spektr [TS]

  it's it's a 10 it's I say yes but because I've seen it that you ask [TS]

  somebody with more than one kid who their favorite kid is really answer that [TS]

  question but if one of the kids have been born yet I like the first one [TS]

  better cuz I've seen it why one of the differences I've been thinking about a [TS]

  lot I just think it's so interesting that they're coming out the same time [TS]

  big news came out within a week or two of each other and their to my two [TS]

  favorite thing it just seems so serendipitous I was thinking about it a [TS]

  lot I'm even thinking maybe I do maybe like a Star Wars special episode of the [TS]

  show it sometime this month maybe like you know the Star Wars themed call it a [TS]

  holiday Star Wars Holiday Special [TS]

  go just go two hours on something something I could easily put together we [TS]

  could do three shows on Stowers could start a whole new podcast just talking [TS]

  about start by comparing it to the Bond franchise clearly one of the big [TS]

  differences is that we're up to bond 24 and star wars we've only had six movies [TS]

  or seven if you want to count the Clone Wars which relied really don't think [TS]

  it's fair because even though was released theatrically they just decided [TS]

  to put into theaters a ninety-minute TV pilot that's a funny way to look at it I [TS]

  i think that was made as a TV pilot and over like this is actually pretty good [TS]

  you know maybe you know will will you know reframe it first cinema you know [TS]

  greenside maybe they didn't maybe they didn't even maybe it was 1.85 with [TS]

  something like that so it's close to the 69 I remember seeing that in the theater [TS]

  than walking out just what was that it wasn't that wasn't anything like I [TS]

  thought it was going to be watching the cartoon like the animated series of was [TS]

  really good and sometimes good it wasn't consistently it wasn't good I would say [TS]

  with my my most recent benchmarks for Star Wars quality being the prequel [TS]

  trilogy Clone Wars trigger it was worse than the prequel trilogy really yeah I [TS]

  don't I think it it always felt pad out to me it always felt to me like they [TS]

  didn't I think we have to do 2008 that was less than that but whatever they did [TS]

  they only had about half as many that were decent and it always felt pat it [TS]

  out and cliffhanger did did did you watch a while I was going for the most [TS]

  part but yes I watch them all back to back side watch six or seven [TS]

  at a time and so if there's a bad one its kind of lost its padded out by the [TS]

  good ones even if even fathom a bad you're still kind of remember I don't [TS]

  know I just felt like overall it it was a lost opportunity and I felt like they [TS]

  had a lot of things that were repetitious and that took away from the [TS]

  the prequel trilogy like the fact that obi-wan and Anakin had a bunch of [TS]

  encounters with Duke makes it changes the way the movies presented you know [TS]

  they had the one encounter in the second movie where mannequin lost his arm and [TS]

  obi-wan almost got killed and two came in and rescued him fight and then in the [TS]

  next movie they made it seem as though we haven't seen this guy since the last [TS]

  time when he picked us up bro good let's do this let's do it right this time but [TS]

  in the meantime if you watch the Clone Wars TV show they've fought against [TS]

  Dooku dozens of times in between in the movie is it always seemed like there is [TS]

  a huge chunk of time that we just didn't get to see and it felt really awkward as [TS]

  in the original trilogy the time between Empire and Jedi if you think about it [TS]

  there's probably some stuff that happened like the just getting Lando [TS]

  into Jabba's palace and like getting everything set up to pull that off [TS]

  must have taken some time but you're not really missing out on much by not seeing [TS]

  those things get a sense of time has passed we don't need to know exactly how [TS]

  much time right and there is a reference in Empire Strikes Back where decides to [TS]

  to leave hard to go paint job and it's like he mentions like we need live [TS]

  audience it's like or or something like that that there is something about it [TS]

  that they encountered about bounty hunter recently tried to kill Han and [TS]

  just little things like that sometimes but the difference between the gap [TS]

  between episode to episode three [TS]

  it just feels like we missed a movie if you're watching it sitting down to watch [TS]

  it even if you watch them back to back it feels like there's an [TS]

  entire movie missing which is one of the big failings of the prequel trilogy but [TS]

  so I in that regard I didn't mind the clone wars going into some more of that [TS]

  back story so because I felt like I missed it to begin with my just feel [TS]

  like it could have been better [TS]

  yeah my trouble with it was it never really felt like Star Wars yeah I agree [TS]

  with that too [TS]

  there's a good style changed it was fine and once you can ease into it when she [TS]

  get used to it it's pretty it's pretty good at entertaining but it never really [TS]

  felt like a nautical star wars in the way that the Expanded Universe stuff [TS]

  always kind of feels like the infection yeah yeah just didn't quite feel like [TS]

  same thing with scene in the movie so I still say there's only six movies and [TS]

  that's the big difference is we've only had six movies over 37 years whereas [TS]

  we've had 24 Bond movies in 50 years so it's clearly a different pace because [TS]

  there was a huge gap between the two trilogies and we've had another gap [TS]

  since the last trilogy that really helps to soften the blow I think if this next [TS]

  Bond movie is in very good that's ok right and I think that's actually where [TS]

  star wars especially now that disney owns it and this is what does it keep [TS]

  going we're going to see you know there's there's going to be more Star [TS]

  Wars trilogy's after this one [TS]

  whether it's a thousand years ago in the future whatever and some might be good [TS]

  and some may be bad but eventually it will you know it all work itself out and [TS]

  I'll be absent might be that you can you can get by with it flows but the fact [TS]

  that they've only been six is what makes people get so much about the the prequel [TS]

  trilogy because we've only had six and three of them were kind of did ya make a [TS]

  comparison another medium you look at a TV show like Sherlock and each season is [TS]

  only three episodes so it's if one of them is bad it stands out way more [TS]

  whereas a normal TV show it's twenty episodes in the season if one's bad you [TS]

  know right but and it's like comparing baseball to football [TS]

  really drastic as baseball plays in USA plays a hundred and sixty two [TS]

  regular-season games here and football NFL the only play 16 games so I give [TS]

  your favorite team only lose lose four games in a row it's not good in baseball [TS]

  but it's you know for you out of a hundred and sixty it's a long season if [TS]

  you lose for football games in a row thats quarter of your season is lost all [TS]

  around great baseball you lose a game we just wait until the game they play later [TS]

  that afternoon but I do feel that the pressure is really on Star Wars at this [TS]

  point though because everybody was consensus is that they were so [TS]

  disappointed [TS]

  consensus i think is the right word these things are always going to be [TS]

  subjective but I think that if you polled people in this world democracy if [TS]

  opinions were democracy [TS]

  expunged from the record if we could go back in time and make those movies I but [TS]

  most people would like to do that I'm I'm not have that opinion and I was it's [TS]

  been a long time since I've talked Star Wars on the show I'm nowhere near as [TS]

  down on the prequel trilogy is a lot of my peers are of our generation and maybe [TS]

  it partly because I have a son who you know so young and I've said this before [TS]

  it was with mult while back but in Genesis peers they don't really see a [TS]

  difference between the trilogy there's just Star Wars movies and her longtime [TS]

  he was even confused about the chronology of them and I know some [TS]

  people you know like I Siracusa famously [TS]

  like will even let his kids watch the prequel trilogy I understand why you as [TS]

  cinema fans you would do that but you're robbing your kid of you know something [TS]

  that is pure snow they did you know they like to clone troopers and stuff like [TS]

  that it's it's it's different for them I don't know and I think it's very hard to [TS]

  compare to when you live in a world where you can watch them on demand [TS]

  whereas I grew up I don't think they came out on home video until lake [TS]

  he's so you have plenty of crap that we watch when we were kids that we really [TS]

  like to make a look back [TS]

  adults and recognize it terrible you could only see the Star Wars movies in [TS]

  cinema and they did re-released them in between so they go see Star Wars two [TS]

  years after it came out again but you know you were limited by how many times [TS]

  apparently go to the movies here [TS]

  yeah I didn't see Star Wars until 15 which was I quite like 10 years closer [TS]

  to 2018 did you watch them to your your initial exposure was in home video I [TS]

  remember I was in the comics 13 between 11 and 13 when I was really in the [TS]

  comics I would go to the comic book stores they would have liked Star Wars [TS]

  stuff and it always looked to me baby was the haircut for the quality of the [TS]

  printing but always looked old it looked like old seventies but the original [TS]

  Battlestar Galactica a flash grenade had that vibe like this is stuff that can be [TS]

  old and cheesy at all about it and it wasn't until friend had gotten his [TS]

  birthday VHS access feature sets that came out before other releases the rear [TS]

  and I know you gotta see this [TS]

  you put in the tape and I think they can meet all of his other friends that were [TS]

  there everybody fell asleep at the movie ends and I'm still like glued to the [TS]

  edge of my seat my life had been changed I still remember seeing the first time [TS]

  in that I was a first-round 77 so I was only like four years old I remember [TS]

  going with my dad to the theaters see it and my dad got a lot of movies in the [TS]

  theaters but you know went to a fair amount and you know my dad would often [TS]

  be the one to take me and my sisters two years younger than me and a lot of times [TS]

  yet [TS]

  and I remember there a general feeling that my dad didn't really give two shits [TS]

  about them you know he has a good sport about it but you know most of the movies [TS]

  I went to see when I was 45 years old we're pretty crappy and not very [TS]

  interesting to a 36 year old man I remember the opening of Star Wars and [TS]

  that opening shot of the Star Destroyer and it's just a mint screen so it really [TS]

  looks big and it's really one of those things like one of the things the [TS]

  original trilogy I think did so well as take advantage of cinema meaning that [TS]

  when something looks big screen it is big right as opposed to like when you [TS]

  see something that shot more like a TV show and it's just close ups and its [TS]

  just seems somebody's face you too doesn't give you the sense of enormity [TS]

  that the sense of a normally the Death Star Destroyer gives you in a theater I [TS]

  remember my dad like turning to me and he was just like whoa like my dad was [TS]

  blown away and I remember thinking that that was even as amazing as the movie is [TS]

  a wholly cow my dad is blown away just seared in my memory [TS]

  watching that I wish that my first exposure then you know maybe looking [TS]

  back maybe the fact that the first time I saw it was on somebody's crappy CRT [TS]

  television in the nineties the on VHS just makes it that much clearer to me [TS]

  how good the story was how compelling those characters work I remember to [TS]

  another died during the fire also remember the first time I saw Star Wars [TS]

  on home video [TS]

  it was my friend Joe's birthday must have been I don't know what year it [TS]

  would have been probably around like eighty four five maybe around 11 or 12 [TS]

  and yeah I think his post yet I think but it was it was a sleepover birthday [TS]

  party with about a dozen of us and [TS]

  Joe's dad is all caged in actually had this secret wait until after we had [TS]

  pizza and this is before there were any legit home video versions they weren't [TS]

  released yet [TS]

  Joe's Joe's dad had a bootleg version of The Empire Strikes Back the best and we [TS]

  completely honest and I knew Joe's dad was a lawyer and he was he was the dad [TS]

  who drove his car if I could bunch of us are going to the mall and two dads [TS]

  driving you want to go at Joe's dad because he drive here and it just seemed [TS]

  too good to be true though I really thought that he was setting us up I [TS]

  couldn't believe that was gonna get to watch Star Wars in the house I thought [TS]

  he's he's sharing his he's going to put that in and it's going to be Mary [TS]

  Poppins or something he put it in stores and it was there remember very [TS]

  distinctively it was cuz it was a bootleg somehow what they did for the [TS]

  aspect ratio was there wasn't pan and scan and it wasn't letter boxed was [TS]

  squished optically yeah gross but it was still none of us had ever seen at the [TS]

  word no legit versions of of any Star Wars movies out on the market at the [TS]

  time and was funny it's just one of those things like you got used to hide [TS]

  say within like 10 minutes just absolutely blown away during the late [TS]

  nineties just after Napster did you did you get into the thing of downloading [TS]

  movies at all no never I could never be bothered with that I did a little bit [TS]

  but it always seemed like too much work and it was always so hard to find it and [TS]

  then you had to like them all together to get into play on anything I had to [TS]

  had to post processing you know all that shit done mountains script does it can [TS]

  never get into it always seemed like too much work and I never ever ever ever [TS]

  wanna watch a motion picture [TS]

  computer when I was 18 years old why didn't the idea that I could see a movie [TS]

  theaters was very compelling but the problem is that they would always be out [TS]

  of sync halfway through the movie but there's no way to get the audio on the [TS]

  video to line up the way you expect them to do this they have no idea technically [TS]

  what caused that problem why anybody would find acceptable but I remember [TS]

  watching a ton of movies where by the end of the audio is out of sync with the [TS]

  video and the aspect ratio of course you could get used to the aspect ratio I [TS]

  don't know that you can get used to the idea of the party of brain that gives a [TS]

  shit movies if you want to see this movie done well you would have to see it [TS]

  anyway I guess I wonder how many movies I thought were terrible actually pretty [TS]

  good but not good question so what do you think of the Star Wars trailer well [TS]

  or teaser we gotta talk about that later [TS]

  yeah I didn't think anything of it I was surprised that I was mostly offline at [TS]

  the time I was traveling so I heard that the trailer came out but i dont wanna [TS]

  watch it on TV screens so I just put it off and wait until we got home and in [TS]

  like a couple of days after Thanksgiving I watched I want to see it I want to see [TS]

  it for the first time on the TV of course noticed the lightsaber but I [TS]

  didn't think any of it because I thought that the prequel trilogy established [TS]

  that there's some degree of individuality and design especially [TS]

  among the set and I'm ok with that is weird curved thing that was fan Darth [TS]

  Maul of course of his famous double and that was a scene when the when the [TS]

  Phantom Menace trailer came out the very first trailer was a huge deal in this is [TS]

  right around the time when video on the internet started being finally had [TS]

  enough bandwidth to get video and they're they're like a million parodies [TS]

  of the episode The Phantom Menace trailer like there's a South Park [TS]

  version I remember pretty clearly everybody is doing its thing with the [TS]

  trailer [TS]

  before the days of YouTube and I remember that moment when you see Darth [TS]

  Maul and the staff here some the red played comes out and you get excited and [TS]

  then the other one comes out like you lose your mind for something like that [TS]

  so why did I ever think of that but that's exactly like what I would have [TS]

  drawn as a kid [TS]

  this had kind of a similar effect where I'm watching the trailer and hear this [TS]

  app has some the red played comes out as I don't know that the rain what's going [TS]

  on like a broken light saber and you're like me this time to know that for a [TS]

  second I'm excited I get chills and then these little tiny believes the side so [TS]

  my reaction went from low to high just so you know I accepted I didn't you know [TS]

  it's obviously a weird design I think if I were a Jedi or Sith I would not use a [TS]

  lightsaber like that yourself you know I don't know why I feel like if you do if [TS]

  you know the force the force will keep you from hurting himself with it but it [TS]

  is it do what is it was it for its a crossing guard on the Internet at a [TS]

  pretty good job of showing that that's a terrible designed if somebody's blade [TS]

  slides down its gonna cut the metal part not the blade to cut right through it [TS]

  yeah but maybe it yeah I don't know I guess it's supposed to be something like [TS]

  a crosscourt maybe just maybe it's a guy thing that looks badass I don't know [TS]

  I've always had the impression that you don't really need across garden light [TS]

  sabers like you doing real swords because it seems to me like 12 Sabres [TS]

  connect the kindest tech and there's no way to slide it really I've never gotten [TS]

  that out of it but I don't like when they lock up and they make that two [TS]

  Sabres locked up sound it doesn't seem like there's any kind of friction [TS]

  between them for a long time watching the [TS]

  obi-wan Vader fight at the end of New Hope I thought that leg will be played [TS]

  with shorting out because the angle at which that scene was filmed his [TS]

  lightsaber kind of tilts back and it looks like the blame shortens so I [TS]

  thought for a long time that his blade was shorting out and that's where the [TS]

  dramatic tension as he came from its funny I love that it's funny because the [TS]

  Faber fights get ever more elaborate you know that the one hand the one in Star [TS]

  Wars a new hope is is so pedestrian guys that's all goes well and it's an old guy [TS]

  at David Prowse wasn't old at the time he was actually pretty much in the prime [TS]

  of life but he had a helmet on the characters but that's not why it was [TS]

  like that I think it was because I think partially Alec Guinness was was [TS]

  physically a little a little limited as he was kind of all and I think David [TS]

  Prosser famously couldn't see shit out of the Darth Vader helmet he just [TS]

  couldn't see so there is likely no severe limitations as to what many [TS]

  stuntman who is in there you know [TS]

  could could could see and it was combined with I think the optical needs [TS]

  of the way that they you know the way that they had the Sabres made so that [TS]

  they were made out of the globe glowy stuff that they could easily rotoscope [TS]

  the colors on ya you know and they just never done it before I mean it's still [TS]

  see cuz it never been done before and it just looks so cool and you know maybe [TS]

  somebody that had the idea of laser swords in pulp science fiction for a [TS]

  hundred years over and over and over again but nobody had ever made one that [TS]

  looked like it was really a real thing which is you know the awesome part about [TS]

  lightsabers in them and you hope they looked real I was pretty it was pretty [TS]

  weak let me say this before before we go on to I am super super anti spoiler I [TS]

  I know nothing about this news episode seven other than the basics of you know [TS]

  who's directing it [TS]

  the cast that rough timeframe and that said I don't follow any of the rules I [TS]

  don't know anything and I wanna watch the trailer I i trusted I might skip [TS]

  subsequent trailers I trusted the fact that it wasn't immediately billed as a [TS]

  teaser yeah yeah by calling it a teaser made me feel very safe about watching it [TS]

  I get I don't like watching trailers for movies and it kind of comes down to the [TS]

  Hunger Games when I went to see The Hunger Games is because my friends went [TS]

  to go see a movie and that's what they picked I knew nothing about it other [TS]

  than the poster had a girl with a bow and arrow like i didnt know I did it was [TS]

  based on a book I went in that movie knowing nothing in knowing nothing I [TS]

  enjoyed it and I i was kind of hung up on how much I enjoyed every moment of [TS]

  them will be was a surprise to me and I realized that most of the time I watch a [TS]

  trailer for something it's a movie that I want to see and if I want to see the [TS]

  movie already know going into the trailer that I want to be I know now [TS]

  they can just have my money today I'll pay for the ticket now there's no way [TS]

  I'm not in the next hour so what does watching the trailer get me it can only [TS]

  show me things that I would get to see you later and be surprised by the modern [TS]

  era of trailer which is involved very very clearly in the form of how much can [TS]

  we condense the entire plot of this movie right minus maybe like a just in [TS]

  the ultimate plot twist at the end everything but if you're a movie person [TS]

  than you even while you're watching a movie you start to figure things out and [TS]

  if they give you enough plot points in the trailer your moviegoer story [TS]

  follower mind is going to fill in those gaps and you you know what the story is [TS]

  gonna be before it always surprises me too [TS]

  and I'm not a big believer in like the three-act structure I don't think that [TS]

  any you know I don't think most good films adhere to it in a very formal [TS]

  sense I just think it's the basic sense that you know you know you won't have a [TS]

  beginning middle and end but in loose terms it always surprises me in a [TS]

  trailer that has my attention and hey this looks like a good movie file this [TS]

  way to make a Vesper you know note make an investor to you know movies to watch [TS]

  list once the trailer gets to that part where I'm into it I this is a movie I'm [TS]

  making a note now because when it comes out and want to see it and then it keeps [TS]

  going to have already been there and it keeps going and they are clearly going [TS]

  into a kto right there clearly going into the middle of movie are you showing [TS]

  me this I don't want you already had me why are you doing this they say [TS]

  something let me just experienced this and I do think to them as somebody who [TS]

  has a a rudimentary you know dilettante interest in making these films in [TS]

  college and I dunno with video now and think about it I understand you know how [TS]

  fun it can be to edit video but how hard it is to edit video the way that that [TS]

  trailer editors can condense to our motion picture into ninety seconds that [TS]

  boils almost all of it is incredible [TS]

  artistically as the craft of editing cinema how how how how they can but it's [TS]

  the effective it is so it's just so disappointing [TS]

  percent Hunger Games this established this rule every time I break it every [TS]

  time I watch a trailer I regret it [TS]

  the most recent example is i watch the reduc- million ways to die in the west [TS]

  now that's what's his name [TS]

  yes I haven't seen it it might have been but if you've seen the trailer you've [TS]

  seen the movie you know what I have seen the trailer and I know that's every [TS]

  funny thing that happens that movie is in the trailer now that's a good example [TS]

  of a movie that I probably would have put on my to to watch list but didn't [TS]

  because I felt like the trailer spoiled I got on the end I was I was having his [TS]

  family guy there's a show like it or hate it it's pretty dense with jokes [TS]

  aside I went in thinking well be added put himself in the trailer but there's [TS]

  gonna be a lot of stuff no those are all the jokes and into the Pooh it would [TS]

  indeed when the things happened that happened in the trailer in people in the [TS]

  theater laughing I'm kind of wondering why did you not see the trailer was [TS]

  still funny to you I remember very specifically there is a movie and I [TS]

  don't know why it was a movie with Robert DeNiro and he was a bounty hunter [TS]

  going after charles grodin it was in the eighties movie I mean look it up to your [TS]

  own charles grodin no idea what that would be [TS]

  Midnight Run 1988 now for whatever reason I saw now that was when I was in [TS]

  junior high high school I was going to movies every week that was just what we [TS]

  did [TS]

  teenagers we went to movie so I some times and I was a peak theater watching [TS]

  movies [TS]

  life for me I saw the trailer for that movie like a dozen times and charles [TS]

  grodin is like a guy with a bunch of phobias and bounty hunter who's paid to [TS]

  bring them in cuz he's got a bailout standing so I do remember this so it's [TS]

  like a buddy you know it's like a mismatch in the troops categorias [TS]

  deniro's a tough guy and grounds the opposite and he's got all these things [TS]

  and he says like you know [TS]

  there's Line Road transparent system I got a grab for agoraphobia [TS]

  you know something else phobia claustrophobia and two nurses if you [TS]

  don't shut up you gonna have Vista phobia and it was in the trailer every [TS]

  all this and then we went to see the movie and he gives the line in the movie [TS]

  and it's everybody in the theater laughed and I remember thinking laughing [TS]

  surely you've seen this cuz it's in all the trailers it was in the commercials [TS]

  it was like the signature spoiled joke in the movie but yet for some reason [TS]

  theaters to left [TS]

  get it that's just something I think I was too cynical at times a teenager I [TS]

  think it's the way that crowd people pay the movie people want the movie to be [TS]

  good cuz they took two hours of their lives to see it and they spent the money [TS]

  to get the ticket they enter you know in a community you know a group like they [TS]

  wouldn't laugh if they were watching it at home if it was well but you'd watch [TS]

  when you're in the theater but that's the difference yet and that even a [TS]

  really funny movie I'm watching it by myself at home I rarely laugh out loud [TS]

  right it's it laughter is laughter Adam comedy movie is it is a good group thing [TS]

  did you see somebody was just so many maybes you post a link to the original [TS]

  trailer for the new hope and rewatching that after watching the episode 7 [TS]

  trailer was a real really interesting juxtaposition in the editing styles [TS]

  because then back in the seventies it was things like Luke Skywalker and he [TS]

  liked about the character and the talks bad and then they're gonna have these [TS]

  crazy adventures they do these things may encounter these villains and you get [TS]

  excited about the type of story more than any specific thing that's gonna [TS]

  happen to give anything away at least in the in the dialogue but if you watch the [TS]

  video this going by if you've seen that movie that they can give everything away [TS]

  but you don't know that I think I think I know which version of the trailer [TS]

  talking I think it was one and they didn't even have the the music is that [TS]

  the one yeah yeah yeah they didn't even have the music and so there's this weird [TS]

  to see if we can get a copy of that for sure but there's a weird [TS]

  it's like you know in your mind that without the John Williams music star [TS]

  wars wouldn't quite be star wars that it is essential [TS]

  maybe even more essential than any you know any cast member more than the logo [TS]

  you know it's it's that essential to the fabric of what it feels like to be a [TS]

  Star Wars movie you know that you know you don't even have to think too much [TS]

  about like the role that musical scoring complain cinema but then to see a [TS]

  trailer where there is no actual john Lynch Star Wars music just think man [TS]

  this is just this is like a Saltine without salt this just isn't right wrist [TS]

  at that opening note just how one is enough to get you excited [TS]

  no clear example than in the new teaser when you hear the the score swell up you [TS]

  get chills I did Gaza real like I could feel like I got butterflies i got really [TS]

  really excited [TS]

  everything that everything I need to tell me that this movie The Star Wars [TS]

  movie is right there on the screen [TS]

  give me give me the Millennium Falcon and John Williams scored even the first [TS]

  note of the John Williams score and I met you get my money so kudos to change [TS]

  rooms into to Disney and everybody else that they made it completely completely [TS]

  spoiler-free but as spoiler-free as anything could be a true team well we [TS]

  were with us on Twitter the the question of the storm trooper and whether or not [TS]

  he's really a storage room there's a lot of room for speculation so much room for [TS]

  speculation that the speculation it's purely fun I don't feel like we can I [TS]

  don't feel like seeing that guy in a storm trooper outfit ruins anything I [TS]

  don't know who he is I don't know why he's a trooper receive a guy who's [TS]

  disguises from bright right and so we end up having a conversation like we did [TS]

  on her about what does this mean and what could but there's no way we can [TS]

  there's no way any of that discussion would ruin anything I like how this [TS]

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  is at the extremes the very biggest the very smallest the most complicated the [TS]

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  those are the areas were to me anything whether it's something you're buying a [TS]

  device or whatever is just the most interesting and I would say like need is [TS]

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  partnerships with all these other things you search for something and you get [TS]

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  alright Star Wars trailer we dissected I say I'm gonna save everything else about [TS]

  star wars for future episode we could we can dissect the trailer I think the [TS]

  narrator's I know the anger that ok there's speculation as Benedict [TS]

  Cumberbatch which was I can hear it but be a bit weird choice and that's [TS]

  conscious of it as me too I presume it feels to me cinematically like the [TS]

  narrator of the film teaser is this course it's like I we see with the red [TS]

  lightsaber [TS]

  I read it as like some sage like character but I guess there's a there's [TS]

  a pair of darkness our ability to the boys yeah he sounds a little bit like [TS]

  Darth Maul Jonas things though Joyce watch it with me he thinks that the [TS]

  character with the red lightsaber is a woman [TS]

  he thinks it which I would be interesting I think he's thrown off [TS]

  though by this sort of guilt like thing that the guys wearing because that's [TS]

  pretty to be mean even Darth Vader kind of gal but Jonas but he did but as Cape [TS]

  usually hides yeah I don't read it as a woman but I think it's interesting [TS]

  because the the way the figure the posture of the figure sort of masks [TS]

  gender like if if they were just standing up straight you can kind of [TS]

  read it [TS]

  yeah I you know it could just be honest I after he said that to me i re-watched [TS]

  watched the dozen times I did we watch it and after he at first I thought no [TS]

  way and i re-watched it and it does seem possible and it does it makes me realize [TS]

  it even as open minded as I try to be I have ordered you know the old dad who [TS]

  just assumes if you have a red lightsaber man even i've seen the Clone [TS]

  Wars thing with our side vent reason you know but Jonas much more that you know [TS]

  he was much more open to the idea that their character could be nice to see [TS]

  this being more inclusive do you think in this do you think that the lightsaber [TS]

  might have something to do with that mean if that's the case i mean the the [TS]

  weird Cross card thing but like the weird kind of almost flame looking blade [TS]

  rather than just the solid yeah there's john there's an article print shown to [TS]

  have it written down John Brownlee in fast company companies design blog has [TS]

  it in defense of the new Star Wars lightsaber and his argument is that each [TS]

  jedis at least the major characters you know like some of the scenes in the [TS]

  prequel trilogy where they had like a hundred Jedi runner [TS]

  you know and you know they were just copy and paste jobs you get blue but [TS]

  every only had a year and a half to make this move but the major characters all [TS]

  had a lightsaber that said something about their character and I think that's [TS]

  true you know and you know he says I'll be ones lightsaber is just plain and [TS]

  he's simple and elegant it is exactly what he said [TS]

  from a more civilized time even in the original Darth Vader's lightsaber had a [TS]

  black more black than crewmen and just looked a little bit more into the time [TS]

  he was the only one with a red lightsaber right which looks just at [TS]

  least to my eyes you know maybe it's the same trend it but it just seems more [TS]

  natural that the bad guys would have red bright red the color of yeah we didn't [TS]

  see green until Return of the Jedi and then I guess the only reason we saw [TS]

  green is because it showed up better against the blue sky yeahhh yeahhh know [TS]

  that was actually yeah that's the exact story that they were they did yesterday [TS]

  at the time they start blues good guys are blue eyes are red and then they went [TS]

  to do it in they never do [TS]

  done one outside before and they were like wow this doesn't look good works [TS]

  and then even episode 1 we still only see red green blue was until episode 2 [TS]

  that we start to see other colors and I think the the first non red green blue [TS]

  we saw was made Windows the purple the story goes that Samuel Jackson [TS]

  specifically requested purple yeah I've heard that's why I heard that then that [TS]

  Lucas said no no no and then like a day later lucas came back and I thought [TS]

  about it sure what do you think is going to lose his head but what do you think [TS]

  is thought processes like some canonical here's how the gems inside the thing [TS]

  work or we're just trying to hold steadfast who some ideology has been [TS]

  changing I don't somehow it worked there for me like it's one of the things [TS]

  little things that worked for me in the prequel trilogy where it is it's somehow [TS]

  in a world where we went from original trilogy where there were only three Jedi [TS]

  four if you count meter right now but there was a bit was the scene at the end [TS]

  of clones were you get you know thousand Jedi on the screen at the same time [TS]

  right how do you how do you more visually established it means when do is [TS]

  above all of these guys that he's you know he's in a trilogy filled with some [TS]

  points in some scenes hundreds of Jedi how do you have how do you stand with [TS]

  that this guy is a cut above to cut tuba well not just that but the if I'm Lucas [TS]

  I go home and I think to myself what got to the scene with a thousand Jenna wants [TS]

  and if all you see is you can see in the movie yes I well not just that but you [TS]

  could realize well if you give people like yellow and pink and other shit I [TS]

  should just give him the proposed so the sky Fast Company Brownlee he his theory [TS]

  is that because at the end of Return of the Jedi the only to sit left the [TS]

  Emperor and later killed that anybody who ever this guy is if it is a set to [TS]

  restart the city didn't have a master to teach him how to make a lightsaber right [TS]

  and so he had to do it on his own and that's why it crackles and sizzles and [TS]

  seems a little bit less little bit in a little bit less technically well put [TS]

  together another assumption [TS]

  well she I don't know what to say there but this Kara no not not to you but here [TS]

  too just like the idea that even this guy I think that that would be a really [TS]

  interesting switch to play against expectations but in my mind story wise I [TS]

  would have assumed that whoever the news would have been like a student of luke's [TS]

  or something [TS]

  has gone to the dark side rather than somebody just like woke up one day [TS]

  although you know if if if the good guys can show up as ghosts and help guide [TS]

  other good guys will be 12 did with loop maybe there's something to the Emperor [TS]

  was able to do the same thing to restart well and the other thing too that the [TS]

  whole thing with there's only two at a time and it was clearly already broken [TS]

  Addison call themselves like they are there already [TS]

  video game again what's cannon and what's not anymore it's up to today but [TS]

  there is the one I think it's actually called was on a call that the secret [TS]

  apprentice Vader had a secret apprentice [TS]

  force unleashed right so he had practice and you know even if you say the video [TS]

  game isn't canon I think the clone or show is and you know there was a side of [TS]

  interests who was like a secret apprentice to do ku so there were you [TS]

  know there's there's a established idea that there are six like force users who [TS]

  are trained by the city just called set and use red light sabers and you know I [TS]

  could I would say that is where we get the the old ways to think it's from that [TS]

  line of dialogue bermuda grass is always do there are and I think that that the [TS]

  more forgiving reading of that line would be that what he meant was there's [TS]

  always get anymore if if we see one there's got to be another master print [TS]

  is not that there are only two exactly two but there are always at least two [TS]

  they're always come in pairs right we've we've seen this one dude there's going [TS]

  to be another dude we don't know if this is the master of the apprentice but [TS]

  there's going to be somewhere out there there's another dude you said such a [TS]

  stupid rule that if they if there if they're going to overthrow the Jedi [TS]

  Order where there's hundreds of them all right we're going to overthrow these [TS]

  guys and we're only have to do you think like somewhere along the way as their [TS]

  passing down the stories [TS]

  but one of the guys when his findings to apprentice maybe just leave out the part [TS]

  where everybody before you including you has killed their master just leave that [TS]

  out of the history so that you don't plant that idea is to me I feel like you [TS]

  know what fuck it I'm not training apprentice I just be the last month a [TS]

  live forever be great I think it's cuz I think the idea there was that they [TS]

  always you know that each one of them is so arrogant and so confident in their [TS]

  dominance over there is that they're they're not they always think that this [TS]

  can happen to me but when you're like the 301 you know from history that [TS]

  that's always going the other direction that's not a reasonable thing to think [TS]

  anymore right it's like I know you and I trust you but if I knew that if I knew [TS]

  that the last thirty people who who hired you i designer [TS]

  to work with them got killed it really I'm pretty sure that your I i trust you [TS]

  you seem like non psychopathy see my girlfriend but I probably wouldn't I [TS]

  power decided not to hire you right but there would be a good choice [TS]

  hard to go wrong they do think in in Lake City orientation [TS]

  ok well here's here's the story of how literally everyone before you have [TS]

  killed their master including me but don't do that please [TS]

  what else happens in the trailer we see some storm troopers [TS]

  the new storm troopers knots I think notable that says a lot about the movie [TS]

  in the the time period and the attitude of the movie that we see stormtroopers [TS]

  we're at some point in the last 30 years in a galaxy far far away not only is the [TS]

  Empire still going they've hired some industrial designers to come in and do [TS]

  some shit yeah it seems like a slightly tweaked [TS]

  it's not it's not a huge departure like they feel like storm troopers in the [TS]

  same way that the clone troopers kind of feel like storm troopers but more just [TS]

  on the other side of it like there hasn't been even though it's been a [TS]

  longer period of time it seems like there's been less advancement which is [TS]

  what you expect from an empire that's just lost their temper but they're still [TS]

  you know they're still designers working out custom details and chips and stuff [TS]

  but notably the TIE fighters we see [TS]

  typewriters Thai fighters the explains we see it looks pretty much like x-rays [TS]

  but with a little bit of advancement and so in the same way of the original [TS]

  trilogy the universe felt lived in like everything had Carmen scoring on [TS]

  everything was a broken all the shitty it kinda seems like we're on an upswing [TS]

  like the economy is getting better but it hasn't turned around so much like [TS]

  there's been a long period where things still kinda sucked and there wasn't a [TS]

  lot of technological advancement which is what I would expect to have happen [TS]

  then it feels authentic might might read just based on the teaser is that the the [TS]

  the tremendous victory of both blowing up a second Death Star and killing them [TS]

  for invader and lead you leaving the entire you know which presumably the [TS]

  entire you know leadership structure of the empire was you know based on the [TS]

  Emperor's extraordinary you know abilities [TS]

  has crippled the empire but Mike didn't defeat them they were still tired vast [TS]

  Imperial Army their military remain loyal to the cause of the empire and [TS]

  that the rebel is that the rebellion is still the US still the scrappy upstart [TS]

  planets that are fighting against him so like it may be like knock them knocked [TS]

  it down to the day ron even terms and it's been like a thirty year war of [TS]

  attrition that's interesting that's my read from the Yeah Yeah I could get that [TS]

  and maybe not necessarily at the umpires got their back up against the wall but [TS]

  more that they had to decentralize leadership or something or maybe [TS]

  somebody stepped in and there's a and lost so many resources that there are no [TS]

  longer there are no longer advancing at the extreme pace that they were we last [TS]

  saw them right like when we last saw them they went in just 20 years from the [TS]

  prequel trilogy to the to the original trilogy they went from those Republic [TS]

  starships we saw in the Clone Wars to the star destroyers and Tie Fighters [TS]

  that we see lots of technical advancement in their starship design and [TS]

  armor design in 20 years but now in 30 years they've made very little progress [TS]

  at all and the rebellion hasn't really either because they're still that's [TS]

  right but they still had time to redesign the storm two breakfasts not [TS]

  really redesign I would say it was more like 10 1.1 releases in there could have [TS]

  been like some kind of necessity there just ran out of that armor I'm a little [TS]

  surprised that the TIE fighters look exactly the same thing because I I [TS]

  always thought as a kid [TS]

  based on Return of the Jedi like when the Thai interceptors came out which [TS]

  were much more like [TS]

  like Vader's prototype from 1977 with advanced yeah with the [TS]

  the curved wings like the three-panel almost like octagonal we have the [TS]

  bombers had that too I thought that the Thai interceptors were like the new [TS]

  models that were coming in but who knows what they're taking the the economics of [TS]

  video games where in the games the x-wing fighter games the the TIE fighter [TS]

  has no shields and just kinda sucks but I interceptor has shields and I that one [TS]

  or the advanced one of them can even go too late and it just seemed to me that [TS]

  will just stop using the TIE fighters say they have no shields but you just [TS]

  sending people to their deaths of those things and they were they were they went [TS]

  for a quantity over quality would rather have a hundred Thai fighters then ten [TS]

  you know explains why it's clearly the mark of a military that doesn't feel [TS]

  like it has much in the way of opposition the TIE fighters were there [TS]

  to show off how many they had to be an imposing presence and that they were not [TS]

  designed for real bad right now I didn't really even values troops yeah because [TS]

  everybody was the Empire so we'll just replacing maybe even at the time maybe [TS]

  they were still using some of the stuff I thought the other one of the other [TS]

  interesting things in the teaser is that none of the shots of the ships are in [TS]

  space that when you see the explains their flying really low almost writer [TS]

  write a few feet above the water surface somebody water and when we see the [TS]

  Falcon and the typewriters coming out it's right above it [TS]

  just say you're right so we've got a teaser for a movie called star wars that [TS]

  doesn't show a single star right I don't think it did well maybe there's at the [TS]

  end when the crew and the credit comes up it shows a starfield when the logo [TS]

  comes up and we don't see any footage of space here on CNN we don't see any big [TS]

  space cruisers we don't see any Star Destroyers or whatever the republicans [TS]

  well I hope nothing happened to space by the idea that they didn't show any of [TS]

  the that the only face they show is the the new character the black guy in the [TS]

  structure profit what's the actor's name I forget his hadn't heard of before [TS]

  British dude I think it's it's I want to believe I sincerely want to believe that [TS]

  everything about this teaser was a well thought-out decision john breaux llega [TS]

  yeah I want to believe that everything we were shown we were shown for a reason [TS]

  to believe that not only were we not shown [TS]

  well know the interface we see is that the girl riding on ya who just looking [TS]

  at her she's got like a real Natalie Portman Carrie Fisher kind of look yeah [TS]

  it so it wouldn't be a big job I think most people are assuming that she must [TS]

  be like home to me is kid but the characters we see the faces we do see [TS]

  the new characters these are people we have no idea who they are [TS]

  this isn't there some forward this isn't mark hamill it says to me that they they [TS]

  want our expectation going into be that we're going to be exposed to new things [TS]

  not just fanservice rehashing of old stuff yeah that said it ends with the [TS]

  shot of the Millennium Falcon right as we hear the John Williams fanfare swell [TS]

  up so again if you show us the shows the things that are gonna get us interested [TS]

  in give us a sense of what we should expect from the movie which i think is [TS]

  going to be this is a familiar world but we're gonna be meeting new people were [TS]

  going to be taking things beyond [TS]

  what you are and then ending on a note of literally on a note of here's what we [TS]

  know you came in hoping my favorite members this remember this is where the [TS]

  original that when did the special editions 1997 I remember when the [TS]

  trailer for that care teacher came out for that it was really good teacher was [TS]

  in the theater and it was like it showed a TV and you know for a generation kids [TS]

  you know people have only seen ya was trilogy on TV set and then blew up the [TS]

  TV set by like blew it up resistance really cheesy when you discover that [TS]

  matter but no but like somebody at like you know I did it right [TS]

  conceptual hated the idea of a time blowing up a TV just sounds done that [TS]

  ever get past the first pitch sounds like something that you would do like in [TS]

  the terry Gilliam's to help from you know who would just be silly but it's a [TS]

  giant foot switches it somehow caused it was just like we're not gonna show you [TS]

  any of it yet we're just going to let you know on a bigger screen which is [TS]

  really all you need to know [TS]

  even even for what it was we can save there's a lot that can be said about the [TS]

  special editions de the idea of the things were put in the in the movie to [TS]

  make it better to enhance it for it to make it feel more modern to clean it up [TS]

  that was exciting but the execution was terrible but the idea was really that [TS]

  you get like a really crisp clean print and they cleaned up in the Black Sea [TS]

  blacker and the lines of the cleaner that sounded great if that meant that we [TS]

  had to sit through a couple of extra due back soon [TS]

  the tattooing stronger person than fine whatever sometime ok I i want to get [TS]

  into it but it might my basic I didn't have any kind of purity you know exactly [TS]

  like what you saw in 1977 hurts doesn't count I wasn't opposed to any minor [TS]

  tweaks but some of them are just so stupid I mean high schoolers range if [TS]

  you get rid of that awful job as seen in years anytime anytime you digitally move [TS]

  on solo anytime here some four dozen screen and they did you alter anything [TS]

  take those out and put them back to where they were and the rest of it I'm [TS]

  fine with it should have been all it should have been limited to things that [TS]

  only true obsessions obsessives would even notice that you don't have to sit [TS]

  side-by-side to notice there was only one new backpack and now there's a [TS]

  couple but the the the the the monster the big animal thing on both sides Lee [TS]

  the job falls off [TS]

  yeah I given that was kind of okay they didn't it didn't take a movie was kinda [TS]

  silly but it didn't I remember that I remember liking some like I thought like [TS]

  the way that they spruced up Cloud City batsman in Empire Strikes Back where [TS]

  there is more stuff going on outside the windows ya feel more alive not like I'm [TS]

  at yeah and it is in hindsight the lack of anything outside the windows in the [TS]

  original felt a little cheap I don't know but yeah yeah like they felt like I [TS]

  said right but you know i i dont I still think I think given the job of falling [TS]

  off the anything that's like a gag is too much you know he didn't need it but [TS]

  anyway that's it was a good [TS]

  the best thing about the special editions those that it let us know that [TS]

  George Lucas had lost his mind and it set expectations for the new trilogy [TS]

  accordingly [TS]

  do you really think it did because I know still managed to be disciplined I [TS]

  think the reaction to Phantom Menace would have been even more heartbreaking [TS]

  people jumping on buildings if it if it had come out it dropped out of the blue [TS]

  without the special editions like the Special Editions if the special editions [TS]

  didn't make everybody's like there is a disturbance in the force [TS]

  I remember of wind Phantom Menace came out opening day on Wednesday and I [TS]

  walked out on me and my friends and everybody else that I could hear talking [TS]

  outside the theater everybody was really excited everybody enjoyed it [TS]

  yeah I did too he said this before they're not terrible they're only [TS]

  they're only significantly worse compared to the original trilogy and I [TS]

  see I see lots and lots of action movies you know the type of movies were there [TS]

  are things like laser guns and chase scenes and superhero powers and stuff [TS]

  like that and the prequel trilogy is way better than almost all of them that's [TS]

  way better than typical stuff that I C you know I was gonna go the other [TS]

  direction now I was gonna say that it wasn't that was a good movie or even [TS]

  necessarily a possible movie I think that its people went into the theater so [TS]

  fully prepared to be excited that they could not emotionally handle the movie [TS]

  they actually saw they had to walk out feeling good about it and it wasn't [TS]

  until maybe the next morning when we all woke up and we got in the shower and we [TS]

  get out quite feel clean that it starts to don honestok that was a really [TS]

  terrible thing that happened now I remember thinking as I watched I didn't [TS]

  come out it was the parts of their worst that were worst or so obviously bad [TS]

  right away you don't think it's a bad movie I don't I think it's no its owners [TS]

  are in trade negotiations but they don't spend too much time I remember thinking [TS]

  that I'm going on on this I still don't really know what happened in them [TS]

  and i also think that it suffered you know from some fundamental big picture [TS]

  problems like establishing which sides of good guys with sides the bad guys you [TS]

  know they like that awesome incredible clarity the way that the empire was [TS]

  almost Nazi like deliberately helmet design for major comes from you know one [TS]

  of the inspirations Nazi helmet the lack of clarity that whole trilogy suffers [TS]

  from that you know and it's all based on the stupid cockamamie idea that the [TS]

  Emperor was more or less [TS]

  trumped up the whole war on false charges in there was no good guys or bad [TS]

  guys and it just makes the movie less enjoyable as as Popcorn Hour I give you [TS]

  gonna make a popcorn movie wanna have crisply clearly-defined good guys bad [TS]

  guys not any kind of ambiguity in that they should use knows it right and it's [TS]

  you know who's fighting with the Droid you know and every time we meet somebody [TS]

  interesting they almost immediately died saving Darth Maul we begin to me that [TS]

  guy we're excited and then it's good I kinda died I had a feeling he was [TS]

  talking tough [TS]

  made it feel like there is something that yeah but where we see the trailer [TS]

  and raw super excited by Darth Maul and then he he's barely in the movie monies [TS]

  in the movie he's awesome in the need of the best movies quite gone 2012 limited [TS]

  part of our hero the only thing that we can even remotely attached to [TS]

  emotionally he does but the send it to me the thing that stuck out the most [TS]

  about that movie originally and instantly the first you know I saw it on [TS]

  opening day two was the whole opening the can of worms with this mid [TS]

  accordions oh yeah right and its to meet the thing with the medical science is it [TS]

  really made the movie would only make sense if you found out that you know [TS]

  like to some kid the way that the contracts for written for the movies [TS]

  that twentieth Century Fox held the rights to make prequels and George Lucas [TS]

  wanted nothing to do with it but he didn't have their he didn't have the [TS]

  legal ability to do [TS]

  to twentieth Century Fox went ahead and made this prequel trilogy without George [TS]

  Lucas's you know approval or inside our input and they handed it to a bunch of [TS]

  people who had no idea what it didn't really understand what made the original [TS]

  original trilogy what it was right so they've gotta drop Lake the Emperor from [TS]

  a helicopter inspector right what made the original trilogy so great was that [TS]

  it explained so little and was built you know it felt like you're seeing a [TS]

  two-hour snippet of something that could have been eighty hours and they never [TS]

  told you your fathers fought the Clone Wars never told you it was just sounds [TS]

  like a cool name for a science fictional or write your father fun the Clone Wars [TS]

  they don't leave it does no explanation for it that's all they say and it's the [TS]

  best explanation it just sounds like it fills out the world that makes the world [TS]

  seems so much bigger there's a real history in this world right and then the [TS]

  new one is just chillin in explaining all the mysteries from the first trilogy [TS]

  and creating no new mysteries of its own [TS]

  like no big if it had been done successfully in a way that people wanted [TS]

  a prequel trilogy when people heard that the new Star Wars trilogy was going to [TS]

  be a prequel rather than a sequel and it was gonna go back in time rather than [TS]

  forward it sounded exciting right everybody was in favor of the general [TS]

  idea because the first trilogy it opened up all these mysteries that everybody [TS]

  wanted answered or at least that they thought they wanted answered the only [TS]

  way the prequel trilogy would have worked was if the prequel trilogy had [TS]

  itself left left it open that Wow I'd like to go back another 30 years time [TS]

  and see what happened then there should have been just as many mysteries about [TS]

  what had led up to the prequel trilogy as it was in the original trilogy yeah [TS]

  right now in my mind the chronology of the Star Wars universe is all the stuff [TS]

  that happened in the original trilogy and then all the stuff that happened the [TS]

  prequel trilogy and before that was like I dunno 10,000 years ago with the [TS]

  general climbed [TS]

  maybe there's some stuff that happened then [TS]

  and instead we got like an explanation for the force that makes it sound as [TS]

  though if you give a Jedi a blood transfusion did lose his powers [TS]

  hey right now there's a thing you could physically take away from somebody they [TS]

  have like a device that you could likes the kids hand it comes up with a number [TS]

  taken a standardized tests like the only reason to do that as a writer you a [TS]

  reason to do that is to explain how they were able to make you have to have some [TS]

  way of showing that any contests off the charts I guess but that's why not just [TS]

  say you sent it I'm not saying that he handled it well I'm not saying it was a [TS]

  good decision I'm just saying that's gotta be that's the only thing I could [TS]

  think of the holder pretty hampstead way and it's totally not cinematic cinematic [TS]

  would have way would have been to do something that was physical like make [TS]

  him like a test of how many you know how everything he could levitate or [TS]

  something like that right or do it like gas but Luke in the swamp and a BA when [TS]

  he has to lift up the extra money goes into the cave any fights later turns out [TS]

  to be him give us a nice call back to that that would be the way to handle [TS]

  that's how they did it with Luke was good enough to look older [TS]

  good friends at Squarespace I can see that connection Squarespace is the [TS]

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  15 all new templates with Squarespace seven things like cover pages all these [TS]

  templates beautifully designed I don't know how they keep popping out so many [TS]

  great template with all these designs and and part of the thing that makes the [TS]

  new Squarespace 7 interface so much better than what came before any really [TS]

  has always been a good interface for a while but it's all WYSIWYG like Europe [TS]

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  it just added it right there in place really really visual and amazing degree [TS]

  of customizability without any kind of technical coaching acumen but if you do [TS]

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  like that simple and beautiful very powerful everybody get every Squarespace [TS]

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  your Squarespace say it's just one of the features they offer they take care [TS]

  of all the hard stuff you know the security that taking the credit cards [TS]

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  that when you sign up go to Squarespace dot com slash the talk show and find out [TS]

  more about square spaces their templates are great it's really easy to use even [TS]

  like when I go to a Squarespace site I can really tell that it's great space [TS]

  which is the third of the mark of templates done well as they don't all [TS]

  look the same doesn't have that sort of gross [TS]

  almost almost the Platonic ideal of what they wanted what Apple wanna die web to [TS]

  be anybody anybody can make a website now we've all been empowered we can all [TS]

  start a blog we can all start a podcast or whatever like we just put your stuff [TS]

  here after leaping about it but it's also cool that they sponsor everything [TS]

  we talked about this it's become a cliche sponsored by Squarespace but the [TS]

  truth is we could we can make fun of that but how cool is it that we have a [TS]

  company like that is doing really cool stuff in there was a kind of a patron of [TS]

  the arts [TS]

  I thought about that a lot because you know they sponsor my website enough in [TS]

  eastern sponsor this the the talk show enough that it occurred to me like how [TS]

  is it possible that they can keep sponsoring and and you know a lot of the [TS]

  shows I listened to or sponsored by then I thought about it and it in some sense [TS]

  I think it can be explained by the fact that they've their company that embraced [TS]

  the modern media world meaning you know like the post-pc world of devices like [TS]

  the post internetworld of media where you know the old days your big budget [TS]

  for advertising would go to print and TV while I should list TV first TV [TS]

  print in the world you know the old and TV commercials are super expensive [TS]

  they're super expensive to produce and they're super expensive to buy going to [TS]

  put in front you know get a large number of people to listen [TS]

  total spent center for them because I think that they're much more targeted [TS]

  like I i've seen Squarespace ads on TV they have TV ads I mean there's [TS]

  definitely a huge ad budget seen them on the subway to now but people who listen [TS]

  to podcasts of any kind let alone technical so much more likely to be the [TS]

  sort of people who are going to build a website of any kind that it's a better [TS]

  way to target at you know you know far less money than you would pay to get an [TS]

  ad in the New Yorkers something like that yeah so Specter Specter the title [TS]

  of the the 24th fun they had a press conference today in London this was all [TS]

  a huge surprise to me maybe I'm just not paying enough attention but I had no [TS]

  idea this was coming this this came out of nowhere I've tried to stay a [TS]

  spoiler-free as I could but I knew that there is a new one coming out in New Sam [TS]

  Mendes had been assigned to come back even though he wasn't like a never say [TS]

  never again thing where he said I'm never going to do another one but he was [TS]

  pretty adamant that he only wanted to direct one you know because he does so [TS]

  many other things you know when he you know not just other movies and stuff [TS]

  like that and in fact i dont Squarespace the production of the movie was actually [TS]

  setback because I would have been further ahead already if they hadn't [TS]

  been waiting for Mendes because he had a year he had a play in London he was [TS]

  directing then you know directing plays you know I don't talk too weird thing [TS]

  because you know it's the opposite of a movie like you get a scene right now [TS]

  movie move on whereas in a play during a night after night after night but you [TS]

  know Skyfall was such a box office and critical success there you know you know [TS]

  make him an offer he couldn't refuse [TS]

  he brought back the same writing team the same to us in production team yeah [TS]

  that kinda worries me though because I actually think that you know like I said [TS]

  after the show they didn't do and I'm not gonna do a whole to our thing on [TS]

  skype all but the more time goes on and more Skyfall settles in the less I like [TS]

  you start to see the seams I feel like it's a really it's kind of a poorly [TS]

  written film that was made [TS]

  extraordinarily well like it's it's well cast the cast is perfect the look is [TS]

  very good at has a good feel you know just the just such a great cast Javier [TS]

  Bardem is so good it's such you know Roger Deakins does such amazing [TS]

  cinematography it's just a gorgeous gorgeous film so clearly made by people [TS]

  who love at least that you know but the bond adhesive vary so much over the [TS]

  fifty years of course but it's so clearly made by people who love the [TS]

  things about bond that I love you like a love letter to yeah yeah well done [TS]

  yeah you know it makes here's here's an example it makes no logical sense but I [TS]

  like it is one of the things I thought was perfect movie is the way that when [TS]

  bond wants to get the car that mi6 could track he get the old BB 5 [TS]

  because nobody would notice that even makes them even makes that this is [TS]

  certainly inconspicuous and it also makes no sense in the sense that it's a [TS]

  reboot of bond you know the whole story with Casino Royale and whatever they do [TS]

  that car even come from whatever the vague rules of continuity were before [TS]

  and you know up until then it was sort of hand wavy sort of continuity between [TS]

  Bond movies you know where it was sort of insinuated that it was one guy who [TS]

  had done all these things even if it was played by different actors know you say [TS]

  that but last accounts you know well no no no I'm in the opening scene in an [TS]

  emergency service he gets in that fight on the beach and he turns and he looks [TS]

  at the camera than ever what happened to the other fellow that never happened [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah yeah that's just part and and again we get into our on her [TS]

  majesty's see it's clear Majesty's Secret Service is clearly the most [TS]

  divisive of all the bodies in my opinion because it's either some of the people [TS]

  you hate it or love it and I have good friends whose whose whose taste in [TS]

  movies I generally agree with large measures who swear up and down that it's [TS]

  the best buy on 10 May names that irons not be such a smart you can find lots of [TS]

  people who made the argument from Chris Hoke loved it did you read from Chris [TS]

  Hawks Bond Street ice cream reviewed he wrote like a massive then like a booklet [TS]

  almost like a booklet thing where he reviewed every single bond just [TS]

  fascinating and I don't know he said it was his very favorite but at least said [TS]

  it was if not it was very close I think the the gut punch at the very end was [TS]

  good I think that makes the movie worth it I don't know if I'd say it's good [TS]

  they're not the best but it's so stupid it makes no sense [TS]

  Blofeld was left alive there is a bob [TS]

  sled chase with gunfire and and Blofeld bobsled overturns or whatever and bonds [TS]

  at the bottom and why he doesn't go up there double check the delete this [TS]

  assumes that his dad doesn't make any sense I felt like I feel he deserved his [TS]

  wife killed by like there was no harsh there was no cockamamie in no way that [TS]

  he disappeared off a cliff and maybe had a you know parachute or something or [TS]

  some secret escape or something like that he just move just didn't go and [TS]

  check yeah he's never seen a he's ever seen a movie I guess what you think the [TS]

  title I think in the same way that I want to believe the jay jay berms picked [TS]

  every shot in the Star Wars teaser for a reason I have to believe I want to [TS]

  believe that that title is very very intentional that title is them not just [TS]

  saying hey we got the rights to use this name we're gonna bring stuff back [TS]

  whatever but they're trying to say in the same way that that at the end of [TS]

  Skyfall you hear Moneypenny here that name that means something and you see [TS]

  refined coming in as you see on the back of the office door that leather door but [TS]

  just like a kind of right now we're in this place where the Bond movies the [TS]

  country the Bond movies as Luke it looks like I even he even I wrote under he's [TS]

  just finds is a very Bernard lead like now there's obviously a different [TS]

  dynamic because rape find is clearly not that much older than [TS]

  Daniel Craig and he's new as whereas in the Old Bond movies always [TS]

  and and in the novels can both in the movies and novels it there's an idea [TS]

  that has been there forever you know he's been there for a long he's been in [TS]

  charge of mi6 for a long time [TS]

  raised here it's a kind of a paternal relationship yes yes it's in fact it's [TS]

  in the novels at least I think it even is it even says explicitly colonel [TS]

  relationship and you can kind of see it in the movies [TS]

  yeah with the gun was originally had the original quartermaster comes in and says [TS]

  it's lady he had made a Beretta doing this but yeah the the the question of [TS]

  who was supposed to be using the other guy is very steadfast I think he carried [TS]

  a beretta and quartermaster and then insisted that he switched to the Walther [TS]

  PPK was it was it was a breath it was a Beretta yeah but the argument about that [TS]

  and never felt to me like this was bond sticking to what he knew and what he [TS]

  liked so much as it was it was kind of him but he was being a little bit of [TS]

  youthful teenage rebellion yeah a little bit much as anybody column a little bit [TS]

  of column be there [TS]

  major booth right the backstory on that is that there was a guy who was like a [TS]

  weapons expert who co-wrote ian fleming after I love these novels big fan but [TS]

  going to tell you your choice of weapon for this guy is is is pretty poor this [TS]

  is a gun as terrible stopping power it's you know there's really nothing to [TS]

  recommend it over to the serious business he gets into here [TS]

  you know something something and so in Fleming wrote him back [TS]

  thank you thank you this is wonderful wonderful feedback and then named a [TS]

  character after the guy as I did you watch the BBC Fleming the man who would [TS]

  be bond you know I have it in my notes here to talk to you about that I this [TS]

  was a year ago when me and you and Brent where somehow back channel Q branch is [TS]

  often better software thing [TS]

  often better software thing [TS]

  you guys had watched it and recommended it and we'll we'll branded as he watched [TS]

  the first episode and recommended that we watch it but said it was terrible and [TS]

  I so I watched it and I i strongly disagreed with his assessment I put it [TS]

  on my ipod to my list of things to watch and then I got hit one of those like [TS]

  June 30th it was there on july first it wasn't it was gone from Netflix and I [TS]

  thought out and and I remember especially the end and it was an ideal [TS]

  either or it should be honest I don't know but at the time here in the $15 but [TS]

  it was like well it anyway it's right now as we speak in in December 2014 it [TS]

  back on the tracks and oddly enough I actually started watching it like four [TS]

  nights ago how far and i three out of four making that just your with my hand [TS]

  that's like you know so so like I'm glad it exists and I am enjoying it but it [TS]

  feels like a BBC TV shows like a movie The that attitude of I like it I'm [TS]

  enjoying it I'm glad it exists but it's not great is kinda I mean the worst Bond [TS]

  movies are still enjoyable and 24 of them yeah so there's any good ones and [TS]

  bad ones with even the worst of the bunch [TS]

  even if you really hate Never Say Never Gonna you really hate Majesty's Secret [TS]

  Service you still enjoy watching it on in the show felt like to me was not so [TS]

  much like a biopic about Fleming is it was kind of a kind of us sort of maybe a [TS]

  little bit sanctioned prequel [TS]

  maybe I read it as this and it's a great in the title the man who would be bonds [TS]

  it feels to me like this is the template for bond by the way I think it just grew [TS]

  bird the word [TS]

  opec I've always said it by OPEC [TS]

  biography picture biopic biopic would be like if it was like a disease of the eye [TS]

  or something that's going to set up by over there right now let's look this up [TS]

  now I wanna know what my problem with looking up emphasis and maybe this is [TS]

  why mistrust home anywhere it is I don't know how to read the diacritical marks [TS]

  printers i three or four different systems of diacritical marks show you [TS]

  how to pronounce a word where the emphasis cuz i dont I I don't understand [TS]

  any of them once I Connor Shaw's and everything start showing up I I don't [TS]

  know who this is what the internet is for ya [TS]

  you can just listen a little audio clip [TS]

  years 1 I'll pick your right yeah yeah it's a bio and a picture so it's a [TS]

  myopic [TS]

  biopic to me sounds like somebody taking photographs in the bathrooms i I just [TS]

  think its industry lingo you know no chick flick I've learned something today [TS]

  by OPEC and see if you'd said biopic I would call you on that [TS]

  ya head out and I you know whenever I hear somebody pronounce a word [TS]

  differently than I have pronounced in my entire life I generally assume I [TS]

  generally assumed that I've just learned something cuz it's usually a safe bet [TS]

  like it hurts like with the city are you get you mispronounce enough word that [TS]

  you've read visually but never pronounced enough and you're almost [TS]

  always wrong you start to assume that if I presented differently I'm wrong we did [TS]

  you know I but in the way that you pointed out that maybe if you go down [TS]

  information if you killed you if your ass if the premise and you just killed [TS]

  your master to become the master maybe you don't take an apprentice if you [TS]

  realize that you're completing [TS]

  a thousand generation chain of that happening you know over and over again [TS]

  every done it if you're the new guy thirty years later you've got no idea [TS]

  how to pronounce medical areas did you see the thing where the poster that they [TS]

  unveil and it's a cool little movie they have to just shows the name spektr being [TS]

  like animated in the the bullet in the glass it almost reminds me of the did [TS]

  you see you signed it [TS]

  singleton to beat UC Davis Aggies poll opening credits of alien yeah it's sort [TS]

  of that same sort of fact where the words Specter is revealed piece by piece [TS]

  in the letters it and it's just a big the type of nerd in me in the bond nerd [TS]

  in me for being maybe twenty seconds of video that shows you nothing just felt [TS]

  really good watching and yeah and the way that the used to you mentioned did [TS]

  you just mentions that the logo looks like the broken glass underneath the [TS]

  bullet to the glass but the way the glass shatters there's the the tentacles [TS]

  like the hydro style but the spektr ramallah the remaining but the Hydra [TS]

  logo from the Marvel Universe in the spectral ergo chairs and visual [TS]

  similarities right then that the idea behind the logo is that it's like a [TS]

  multi tentacled organization that you know you can't you know kill one [TS]

  technical and got 71 around the world forever 21 had to marshal appear so i [TS]

  most interesting casting to me is Christoph Waltz oh yeah there's there's [TS]

  there's lots of the old news and casting is good news but that's that's like now [TS]

  I got a fucking movie yeah it's funny it's it seems like they've really [TS]

  there's what's his name the guy from guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  David Bautista yeah is mister Hinks which is so obviously it's so old school [TS]

  by and look at the guy ya gotta be like criminal henchmen [TS]

  with the name mister hanks sounds perfect but it's totally taken it back [TS]

  like you know to to connery and Moraira bond you know it's got a little bit of [TS]

  campaigning which has that's that's kind of made bond fund then work now I don't [TS]

  know the speculation has been there have been rumors and again I've tried to [TS]

  avoid them but I think everybody now that they're calling movie spektr it's [TS]

  not spoiling anything that there were rumors that Christoph Waltz was gonna [TS]

  play Blofeld for a while you're saying you didn't see those rumors de the name [TS]

  that was the name they gave him for him in their announcement they've seen he's [TS]

  playing a character named Overhauser yeah which if you google that made my [TS]

  Google because I want to find out what it meant and German cause I thought [TS]

  maybe there was a hint at something cause I can't have it just has the [TS]

  center of this is a code name for a character this isn't the characters [TS]

  really and what if you go to last name it's the name of this lake nazi general [TS]

  who was tried for war crimes after world war two legs very famous a Nazi into me [TS]

  that's that's so over the top that it can't possibly be a real characters name [TS]

  that has to be masking yeah I think he's gonna bring backs spektr you might as [TS]

  well bring back I mean it you can make the argument that you bring back spektr [TS]

  and then Blofeld is revealed in the next movie in the same way that you got [TS]

  inside spektr maybe even glimpses of Blofeld and even as far back as doctor [TS]

  now you don't really get to see Blofeld Intel to return movies in four movies [TS]

  4450 first movie was dr. no and Blofeld was a guy and K [TS]

  you saw him from behind a chair and he had the cat but never saw his face and [TS]

  then in Russia With Love You sign in that secret meeting room [TS]

  where he was behind venetian blinds so you still continues face and he blamed [TS]

  that was worried and unveiled that was really unveiled the the gag that dr. [TS]

  evil used riad like a boardroom table and he could hit right right to kill a [TS]

  guy and and he wasn't in Goldfinger he wasn't in Goldfinger Goldfinger and [TS]

  Goldfinger had nothing to do with Specter and then in the next movie was [TS]

  Thunderball which was a specter plot to steal a nuclear missile but Blofeld I [TS]

  don't know if he was even pictured it was Largo [TS]

  the guy with the eyepatch was the head operative of the mission I think we saw [TS]

  him I don't think we even seemed invulnerable I don't even think he makes [TS]

  a Blofeld in you don't get to see his face but he's there I think that Largo [TS]

  is the only guy and then the next movie is you only live twice and that's where [TS]

  we finally see him and he's played by David presents the the the end it's the [TS]

  one everybody remembers its the guy the bald guy with the scarred face right in [TS]

  the in the crazy suit but I like that you know the doctor evil the doctor evil [TS]

  look I want to say when we saw him in we saw a glimpse of him into movies prior [TS]

  mostly because the three times we see him the first two hands and then the [TS]

  temporary actually there's like three different looks likely three different [TS]

  actors it's always different actors and in fact it was part of the way that they [TS]

  they just had this loosey-goosey continuity that would never fly anymore [TS]

  and the guy who played him in Dr No [TS]

  even I was just seen in a chair from behind stroking his pussy was the actor [TS]

  who played his name was [TS]

  wise or maybe it was the guy who played the guy who played him in and from [TS]

  Russia With Love was the guy who played strength lies the strange ways the guy [TS]

  who's the guy who in in Jamaica in dr. no was the mineralogist who was cricket [TS]

  and tried to sneak in and killed in Mali is plain member was playing solitaire to [TS]

  wait for him to come back and write back I played played Blofeld in next movie [TS]

  and then the craziest one is in you Only Live Twice the one he goes to Japan [TS]

  get all crazy racist in need and if he meets the mi6 operative in Tokyo and the [TS]

  guy is wearing a kimono and it's a he's been stationed there is a British guys [TS]

  been stationed there for thirty years and it's a nice little touch he makes he [TS]

  he he makes a martini and he says [TS]

  stirred not shaken right which is of course the wrong but bond being up late [TS]

  British person says perfect thank you you know just accept it doesn't behind [TS]

  him and then he gets stabbed by a ninja assassin and bond has to go chasing him [TS]

  that actor the guy who played a British intelligence agent in you wanna live [TS]

  twice to movies later is the guy who played Blofeld in diamonds are forever [TS]

  really yeah and he doesn't even look different it wasn't even like they gave [TS]

  him different makeup for a different hairstyle haha that's right that's right [TS]

  so a lot of this blurs together because I want all of the Bond movies of the [TS]

  course of a month it would never ever do have a good [TS]

  recast it's almost like you know like they were they were casting out of Lake [TS]

  you know like saturday live like you have like an ensemble cast and you just [TS]

  have to keep reusing actor but look at doctor who Peter Capaldi the new doctor [TS]

  he was in an episode has been addressed some side character like five years ago [TS]

  the previous companion was obvious in that same episode in fact as a totally [TS]

  different character just not that many actors in the UK yeah I don't know [TS]

  people like an old boys club back then people and I think because nobody got to [TS]

  read watch movies on home video that everybody just assumed that they would I [TS]

  do it was right but it's crazy that just two movies apart the same guy played a [TS]

  British agent and blow fell [TS]

  I'm guessing see his face 2 I'm guessing that Christoph Waltz's greenbacks vector [TS]

  you gotta bring back gonna have Blofeld I mean he's as good an actor is anybody [TS]

  that's just it doesn't like in these procedural TV shows they try to do the [TS]

  thing where they want to keep you guessing as to who the guy was who [TS]

  committed the murder but they do you can just say about this is the character [TS]

  actor they've seen other TV shows clearly that's the murder you look at [TS]

  this big-budget big production like this you don't bring in Christoph Waltz to [TS]

  just play some dude I look at it this way if Blofeld is in the movie it's [TS]

  gotta be Christoph Waltz and if blow-hards on the movie then when [TS]

  because how many more does Daniel Craig have it right if you gonna bring back [TS]

  spektr 44 the end of Daniel Craig's run in the role [TS]

  Blofeld in there soon as possible I figure you bring them you gotta bring [TS]

  them in and you know finally have you know like in the Old Bond movies finally [TS]

  have a movie where bond doesn't get that guy [TS]

  you know Blofeld escape I'm expecting Blofeld wherever is crazy scheme is in [TS]

  this movie will escape the end we'll be back in the next day or whatever hard [TS]

  lessons bond has learned in Casino Royale cuando solace in Skyfall he [TS]

  hasn't had a huge failure yet other then the just a failure of Vesper Lynd well [TS]

  yeah but it wasn't it wasn't a failure that was a personal failure that wasn't [TS]

  a failure on the level of the guy who was trying to destroy the world kinda [TS]

  got away with it [TS]

  speaking of spektr evil world wide multi Backblaze back please [TS]

  is unlimited online backup for your Mac they have over 100 petabytes of data [TS]

  backed up for other customers hands dirty it really I forget they've told us [TS]

  how big a petabyte is I forget to send us an email and it was just it was so [TS]

  much more data than you have crazy and it's they've done great you know if you [TS]

  google talk about how to set up a datacenter that reliable and cheap and [TS]

  how much it cost to get drives and stuff like that it's crazy how much did they [TS]

  are backed up but how they figure out a way to do it [TS]

  cheap because there is a factor with back please but is a factor where [TS]

  there's almost a too-good-to-be-true feel too because it's just five bucks a [TS]

  month for computer for unlimited on throttle back up and it's again it's one [TS]

  of those things it's such a great product but it i remember i heard about [TS]

  it for a long time before I sign I remembered there's other shows that they [TS]

  sponsored and one of the reasons I didn't sign up is it had like this too [TS]

  good to be true feel to it because you think things like well probably only [TS]

  backs up your startup drugs now it backs up like if you have like an external [TS]

  hard drive is three terabyte terabytes a bigger where you keep all of your [TS]

  digital media stuff like that they backed that up to it might take a while [TS]

  depending on your upstream but once it's backed up it's up there and then after [TS]

  that everything is incremental when you add new files and stuff like that but [TS]

  it's not just the start of Dr it's you know everything and five bucks per month [TS]

  for unlimited backup and it just works just runs you install their software and [TS]

  forget about it [TS]

  you see they use Facebook but sometimes you see posts from people or emails from [TS]

  people are YouTube comments from people where every other word is misspelled and [TS]

  there's no punctuation and capitalization and you wonder in 2014 [TS]

  when every device you could possibly touch that has a battery has spell check [TS]

  how it's possible that these people that there's no excuse for misspelling words [TS]

  unless it gets you in the same way you've got no excuse if your hard drive [TS]

  crashes in a backup at $5 a month just it's it's unfathomable to me that you [TS]

  wouldn't have had something in place it's I have a bunch of family members [TS]

  with Max who don't have back please give it as a gift because you know here's [TS]

  back up here's your present but I can suffer but when I'm at the house I'm [TS]

  going to in addition to a gift give them back I set up for him and just soak it [TS]

  up because I i feel better my parents don't have to make sure my commitment [TS]

  this year home for the holidays I do it because I was so much better if all the [TS]

  pictures madonna is on her back [TS]

  backed up somewhere outside of her house and just do that for everybody in your [TS]

  family when you go home for the holidays and you're gonna feel so much better but [TS]

  I think it's you know in addition to a gift giving back place because it's [TS]

  gonna happen I had somebody in my family just had a Mac hard drive [TS]

  go bad [TS]

  like so bad when you reboot and go into disk Disk Utility it's like I got [TS]

  nothing you know and then they took it to the Apple store in their life so like [TS]

  everything you know they'd lost photos a bunch of photos you know that is gone [TS]

  and I had the same thing terrible so many things you'd like they had back [TS]

  please I feel bad i felt a little guilty that I hadn't because it would have [TS]

  saved five bucks a month [TS]

  computer unlimited backup and here's the deal you get a risk-free no credit card [TS]

  required trial start out just gotta Backblaze dot com slash during fireball [TS]

  and you can get it to try you could just do that for relatives just given the [TS]

  free trial over Christmas and Sean how easy it is and you know let them put the [TS]

  bill so great and tell them to let back please know that you heard him talk show [TS]

  that URL backpage.com / Darron fireball can go wrong there's no excuse there's [TS]

  no excuse for not having [TS]

  how many do you even have a camera that takes pictures on film [TS]

  well I do I but I haven't I don't know yet I but I take I don't know probably [TS]

  hundreds of pictures a month and they're all digital and they're all on my hard [TS]

  drive or somewhere if anything happens if I didn't have a backup that's like [TS]

  every record of my life I lose my hard drive I just don't exist anymore I'm [TS]

  like Michael J Fox and Back to the Future in that photo in my hands start [TS]

  disappearing [TS]

  they can never happen especially i mean SSDs can go bad too but if you have [TS]

  anybody anything stored on a spinning like this man you got it [TS]

  backed up somewhere else for your laptop get stolen things can happen just five [TS]

  bucks a month imagine you get health insurance for $5 a month of course you [TS]

  do it or so you free unlimited online backup for $5 a month [TS]

  yea well imagine if health insurance meant that if you hit by a bus you get [TS]

  like reboot to where you were yesterday I would definitely pay $5 right back [TS]

  places for five bucks if only there is back with his for us great that should [TS]

  be there to try engineers are working so what else with Specter is that i was [TS]

  thinkin bout with Specter and and and that one it's that this was just [TS]

  resolved legally last year this whole backstory and those of you and listen [TS]

  listen to that whole bond five by five at auction thing years ago [TS]

  know that we covered this but the basic story zoos guy named Kevin McClory who [TS]

  Ian Fleming had collaborated with before the bond thing even really got big I [TS]

  don't think they would do it wasn't a TV movie and they came up with collaborator [TS]

  to think there is even a third collaborator those who have never you [TS]

  know somehow got bought out of his rights [TS]

  early on in the process but he got screwed but forget about that they're [TS]

  just too busy in Fleming and Kevin McClory came up with the premise that [TS]

  was basically Thunderball what if criminal organization could somehow [TS]

  compromised pilot who would be flying a test flight with a nuclear-armed fighter [TS]

  plane and get the compromise pilot to drop the bomb not you know ignited but [TS]

  just drop in the ocean somewhere where they could pick it up from the bottom [TS]

  and then the world the Western world hostage which is really pretty cleverly [TS]

  get you know one of the things about that Thunderball plot is in the grand [TS]

  scheme of the whole world is risk James Bond plots it's actually seems pretty [TS]

  plausible right that there are by today's standards right you know that [TS]

  there are pilots who are flying planes that have nuclear-armed weapons and then [TS]

  at that point you've got one guy who you know if you compromise that one guy [TS]

  maybe you know you going to do something with it nothing came of it I guess [TS]

  whatever the original TV-movie somehow fell through but I was held a good story [TS]

  and he went ahead and just use for the novel Thunderball you wouldn't you mean [TS]

  I can I mean I can see the contention there but yeah I guess I i you know I [TS]

  don't know you know who came up with how much of it who knows you know I mean I [TS]

  only really maybe maybe only informing and Corey really know how much of it [TS]

  Ian Fleming truly had a right to to reuse how much of it he came up with but [TS]

  regardless they McClory sued and even some remember reading about that the [TS]

  young production to know the people who make the movies even they were aware of [TS]

  that and they even you know we're wary of making you know doing a movie and [TS]

  Thunderball until it was resolved but they had lawyer enough lawyers who said [TS]

  you know crack but but it ended up that he got the right by the time it was [TS]

  ended it ended with the fable of Solomon where you know two women come in saying [TS]

  this is our baby right now [TS]

  half the woman who said no no you must be the wrong because you know you're [TS]

  more concerned about the baby then you are about this was like a solomonic [TS]

  decision with this where they both had the rights to the Honorable Ian Fleming [TS]

  and US Young productions who had the right stay in Fleming's James Bond and [TS]

  Kevin Kevin McClory had legal rights to make a movie based on the novel and [TS]

  that's spent decades trying to get it made and that's what eventually became [TS]

  never say never again that's why I never say never again the plot is so similar [TS]

  to the Honorable so weird the weird moral fable two and one half a baby and [TS]

  his weird yet we are it's weird that you know you know you know they're painted [TS]

  the lying woman was was like you know painted in broad strokes she was like [TS]

  the Empire you know you care that she had a fleet of Thai fighters she [TS]

  wouldn't put shield [TS]

  save a couple bucks whatever it takes [TS]

  get it done it's where the Kevin McClory guide even the ability to use the name [TS]

  James Bond right whatever you say about his claim that the story ok great you [TS]

  can you can use the same story just use it whenever the character I'd link to [TS]

  this before I put in the show us again hope it's still there on YouTube JVC the [TS]

  recut opening of never say never again [TS]

  yeah I think I think would you like to it may be on the show or maybe use under [TS]

  incredible that you talked about how great it would be if they they redid the [TS]

  whole movie like that it's just a bit is is the real never say never again has [TS]

  this terrible cheesy eighties soundtrack theme and even the logo thing is really [TS]

  cheesy and it's part of what makes it feel off right from the start and some [TS]

  genius on to put up on YouTube pretty much like the whole eye-opening [TS]

  five-minute them [TS]

  of never say never again but with the real James Bond theme music and logo and [TS]

  stuff like that and it improves it so I mentally and it feels really feels like [TS]

  this is a real James Bond and it's exactly like we said earlier about John [TS]

  Williams in Star Wars make sure you write it makes you realize how much that [TS]

  music and graphical teaming is part of what makes it feel like a bomb on me [TS]

  when we saw each other pretty clearly scenery out when you first hear the you [TS]

  first hear the bond yeah yeah and and they held the silhouette you know pulled [TS]

  the gun out and shoot a bullet into the screen and the blood comes down they [TS]

  held it until the end of them right is this was that the whole point of the [TS]

  movie was this is how we become a bond right it was like this it was almost [TS]

  like a home movie was sort of a a feature-length like a prelude to call a [TS]

  chapter 0 of a book like a two-hour prologue yeah I can read it as sort of [TS]

  similar to like Batman Begins and then is it at the time in movies when Batman [TS]

  Begins and rebooting thing was that they do I give us more origin stories please [TS]

  yeah it was a head around the greatest origin story ever I think I think that I [TS]

  think a degree that in some of it for me and give me any secrets by saying the [TS]

  best girl in my favorite Bond girl and I think that such such a defining moment [TS]

  in bonds life if you want to imagine that it's it's one guy in this is all [TS]

  his story that the story of Vesper Lynd is the story of art without her there is [TS]

  no James Bond and they say you know it wasn't like he started as [TS]

  eighty five-pound sickly weekly who needed a super serum to become too he [TS]

  was already there wasn't bitten by a radioactive secret agent right was [TS]

  obviously already well trained in the military and had the mindset and was on [TS]

  the type of person who would be on a career path to become a double O and mi6 [TS]

  it's you know what is it like what would that do with that character be like when [TS]

  he's one cut below becoming the double oh you know and what would he be like [TS]

  when he first gets granted those status and isn't really comfortable at that [TS]

  level it doesn't really get it yet isn't really isn't quite prepared for it you [TS]

  know that so maybe a little a little insufferably arrogant yeah he knows is [TS]

  on the cusp but he's not here not seasoned enough to be comfortable with [TS]

  it yet and we've that scene on the train with him investor going back and forth [TS]

  reading shots and he loses that argument yeah anybody who's anybody it doesn't [TS]

  hold that that's one of the best scenes in an action movie in recent memory I [TS]

  was ever but you know in the modern era of movies it's just not going to be able [TS]

  to do not agree on anything when it comes to is it not even actually that's [TS]

  one of my favorite scenes in a movie [TS]

  yeah it's just so good and it's you know it's in a series where the the level of [TS]

  actual personal interplay between bond and the women in the movies it's just [TS]

  notoriously then you know and it's more or less blah blah blah let's go to bed [TS]

  right and this place so well against that but even stand on its own it works [TS]

  in both directions which i think is what makes it so great right [TS]

  you could see why both of them like each other and you can see why both of them [TS]

  just like each other and you can see why both of them [TS]

  like the other because of the reasons that they dislike yeah when she asks [TS]

  how's the lamb he says he says it with a smile like he's kind of ended the season [TS]

  to this lady yeah yeah it's definitely the best seemed III it makes the [TS]

  otherwise it's a great movie anyway but it's it's really the seemingly put it [TS]

  over the top [TS]

  what do you think about this with Specter and the movie spektr and the [TS]

  organization is that there's there they think could be repeating a pattern so in [TS]

  the in the sean connery films there's dr. no and that's a specter movie doctor [TS]

  knows his agents inspector and From Russia With Love is a specter movie then [TS]

  the third one goldfinger was just about it was off specter was just this [TS]

  crackpot guy goldfinger in his plan and then in the fourth and fifth once they [TS]

  went back to the spektr with doctor now twice saying that with Casino Royale you [TS]

  had dishonored there was this shadowy organization that I believe you and I [TS]

  chatted about this today in prep for the show but I believing sinner out there [TS]

  was never given a name to it but there was the guy mr. white which is the guy [TS]

  who he had a great scene in the movie mr. white who had been like behind all [TS]

  this [TS]

  scheming and the funding of worship and who saved James Bond's life by coming in [TS]

  Killingly friendly bond go when he was being tortured yeah I think it's the [TS]

  chef chef [TS]

  I'm sure the internet schiffer whatever the sheaf I guess it for the same movie [TS]

  actually it's more in this mister white guys you know obviously if not the [TS]

  highest up is a higher up in some shadowy criminal organization and then [TS]

  he's you know one of the neat things about quantum of Solace which opposition [TS]

  Skyfall I continue to like more and more as I go on and everyone [TS]

  if I read about the commentaries I did with Dan on the original series the one [TS]

  I would probably change the most if I read it now is quantum of Solace which I [TS]

  wrote at the time did not like those of a bunch of plot holes in some week [TS]

  writing the more I watch it I like it and I i even like I like the idea that [TS]

  it starts like an hour after Casino Royale [TS]

  it's like the next day yeah he's got mister white in the trunk of his car but [TS]

  you don't even know that until you open the trunk of his car when you see it in [TS]

  theaters it had been like two or three years since her ass you've probably [TS]

  forgotten about that and I think that assuming that this was a whole new story [TS]

  starting over was what ruin the movie for the people who didn't like it but if [TS]

  you watch them if you and I think that's why i like it more and more I do think [TS]

  so that it's the fact that it continues from it [TS]

  get a good day taking afternoon and wash them back-to-back quantum solace is much [TS]

  better movie than you probably didn't notice I was under the impression that [TS]

  the criminal organization and they had like the right-hand man to M was in fact [TS]

  double agent working for them you know he he betrays them and kill them in bond [TS]

  and he's the guy rescues Mr White from captivity added that organization [TS]

  Quantum of Solace it ends up that they call the organization quantum at some [TS]

  point and if you google and you know look around and just google for quantum [TS]

  organization James Bond you'll see that there's people who call that [TS]

  organization quantum and that's how I read it I guess but it would be cool [TS]

  though if if if they somehow make it seem as though that organization is [TS]

  factored it was pretty strongly hinted at least that's how I read it right and [TS]

  at that was or maybe that was the code name code name of it and the explanation [TS]

  behind the scenes was that they hadn't settled his lawsuit with the Clement [TS]

  Kevin McClory mistake getting back to the quarry the whole thing is a year ago [TS]

  in 2013 Eon Productions finally wrote a check [TS]

  you know both sides agreed not to say what it was but some amount of money [TS]

  they gave to Kevin McClory stake Corey died a few years ago and now jaan wholly [TS]

  owned the rights to specter that seems like the thing that could only happen [TS]

  after McClory dies and after a broccoli dies once once like the people who are [TS]

  actually having actually involved in that that angry battle are out of the [TS]

  picture [TS]

  cooler heads prevail right is that was one of the side effects Corey only had [TS]

  the rights to reduce in terms of Ian Fleming's material to do Thunderball [TS]

  somehow part of the side effects of this judgment was that young couldn't use [TS]

  spektr anymore and they did make a few more movies after Thunderball but at [TS]

  some point after diamonds are forever that lawsuit got to such a place where [TS]

  they felt like they couldn't or shouldn't explicitly told they can't [TS]

  make if they used specter that McCrory would get the rights to that movie too [TS]

  you know that if they put him in you know despite that then you know somehow [TS]

  specter was somehow part of what you got with Thunderball and so last year they [TS]

  finally just made it all go away and now they own the rights to it called spektr [TS]

  so I feel like they should clearly they should do that right they should make [TS]

  you know somehow blur the lines of what was called Quantum in to say that thats [TS]

  spektr yeah it could be that it was a condom was an offshoot it could be that [TS]

  that was the precursor organization with a back story we just tied together [TS]

  quickly they give us one line of dialogue they call it can give us an [TS]

  allusion to project quantum and that's good enough I hope they don't I hope [TS]

  they don't reuse the acronym the special projects and something something because [TS]

  it doesn't even really add up to specter you have to like cross out [TS]

  to get the S&P you have to count both the S&P in special you know we know what [TS]

  you're doing you just try to get to the word spektr just if you want to call it [TS]

  specter's called spektr [TS]

  yeah there's no reason to background image and the one that Fleming came up [TS]

  with was pretty been [TS]

  shield shield has a crazy yeah they they totally embrace that with the one of the [TS]

  Iron Man movie where they didn't have the acronym yet but Agent Coulson said [TS]

  I'm never home land blah blah blah blah blah and strategic intelligence [TS]

  something in logistics division I can't believe I remembered that much of it [TS]

  being here somebody says that's a mouthful he says yeah we're working on [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah that's actually but if you think about it actually I remember thinking [TS]

  about it when it came out it's actually good they aren't any like real clunker [TS]

  words in there like there are in the spektr actor working on that I don't [TS]

  know they came up with one guy was really good at running toward where is [TS]

  the special executive for counterintelligence terrorism revenge [TS]

  and extortion so he had to use the SMTP from special right and I'm gonna make a [TS]

  special case for any word should be there were special and the way Fleming [TS]

  spelled it if counterintelligence was hyphenated so you have to ignore the I [TS]

  get two letters some days he had to wear though have one letter and I think of [TS]

  revenge really sticks out as sort of [TS]

  you know that if you weren't back running and why would you put revenge in [TS]

  counterintelligence ok terrorism definitely [TS]

  extortion definitely right against opposed to you know like a religious [TS]

  terrorist group that is just after the you know for the virgins in heaven or [TS]

  whatever you know Spector's in it for the money so yeah extortion definitely [TS]

  part of it but revenge [TS]

  guys we can do all these things but only to people who are wrong does it also [TS]

  implies that you're gonna have a [TS]

  gonna build up a list of enemies along the way that they have to get revenge [TS]

  against as opposed to what would your ideal be that you believe no enemies [TS]

  behind that there is nobody that you need to seek revenge against because [TS]

  you're never gonna get wrong but I thought it was that they were it was all [TS]

  in the name of revenge against people for things that happened maybe which [TS]

  leaves you no room for advancement and growth former schoolmate to blow the [TS]

  game was sorely in second grade girl who would go the problem with them pretty [TS]

  sure that list [TS]

  busy we might have to add some letters at the end I don't know playing online [TS]

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  lynda.com / the talk show my thanks to to them so Fleming the BBC series we [TS]

  finished third you get the best you are you could have mister I think it's an [TS]

  episode 1 I'm I'm sure I did but I mean comes to a bar and its I guess it's [TS]

  supposed to be like a seedy place I don't know I didn't look like it seemed [TS]

  like quarter action because it to the bartender and just says three measures [TS]

  of Gordon's one measure yes have a measure of kennel away and the bartender [TS]

  and a bottle of beer and there's a sort of we don't have that here look on the [TS]

  bartenders face it I like that because it's a joke they have to be a fee if [TS]

  you're not a Bond fan it doesn't make it that that whole interaction makes no [TS]

  sense and if you are a bunch of an it's it makes all the sense in the world I [TS]

  think it still makes sense it it means that he is coming in wanting a drink and [TS]

  he says something about that character in his misunderstanding of where he was [TS]

  because he was kind of this entitled Brad at that point in the story of his [TS]

  life which may have also been true yeah it's video watching it at no point did [TS]

  it occur to me to take this is a literal reading of anything that ever happened [TS]

  to you like I'm sure there's element of truth to it but it seems like this is [TS]

  somebody making a mini-series out [TS]

  of the stories that you in Fleming told the people to make himself sound cool I [TS]

  actually since I started watching it I haven't I've resisted the urge to google [TS]

  it [TS]

  episodes before I do but then I wouldn't look and see how much of it is [TS]

  purportedly true i think is true I think it's you know when I went through it [TS]

  it's from what I read it seems like most of this was blurred lines so much of [TS]

  what he did while he was in the service was redacted in a step that your they'll [TS]

  never come out and say whether that's true or not whether he actually did [TS]

  those things but what they could line up said well there's elements of truth in [TS]

  these things probably happen maybe not the way he said but the the consensus it [TS]

  seemed was that this is sort of as much bullshit as it was truth right which to [TS]

  me is by me that's that's what storytelling is and that's what he was a [TS]

  storyteller yeah and it seems like it's setup where he's repeatedly you know he [TS]

  works in British intelligence during world war 2 that the bulk of the movie [TS]

  series and just comes up with clever his old job is to come up with clever ideas [TS]

  to screw the germans but he he keeps wanting to get sent out into the field [TS]

  and it isn't allowed to and then you know it said today that his home the [TS]

  whole reason he wrote the bonds series have a guy like him but does get a [TS]

  little bit of exploring those fantasies about the character I forget her name [TS]

  but the Moneypenny like woman works with his before his boss [TS]

  who is almost too uncannily like the original Moneypenny in the movies which [TS]

  must have been that the head to be intentional I think it's absolutely no I [TS]

  think it's over the top intentional I would be surprised if I don't know I [TS]

  don't know haven't looked it up yet but I would be surprised at that part of it [TS]

  for example is just purely fiction but it's so tough to tell his so much of [TS]

  that era of his life is at him telling the stories yeah my bottom line on [TS]

  Fleming is for anybody if you love bond and you like you like bond you should [TS]

  watch especially while free on Netflix and if you're not if you like I like [TS]

  bond it was everything or nothing [TS]

  the documentary yeah that was disappointing to really well I liked it [TS]

  but again I wouldn't recommend it for anybody who wasn't a big fan I would say [TS]

  if you've seen everywhere nearly every bond movie you'd probably like Fleming [TS]

  you probably like everything I know I take it back now that I think about it [TS]

  more I think everything I think I think I miss remembering off the top of my [TS]

  head I think I actually really liked everything I enjoyed it and I if for [TS]

  nothing else to hear and be get to talk about in hindsight the way he acted and [TS]

  his role in the bond universe that's worth the price of admission [TS]

  yeah I totally take it back now that I think about it cuz that's the one I [TS]

  remember it's the one where in addition to some great stuff with lies in be I [TS]

  thought there was really really great stuff with peers process oh yeah he was [TS]

  talking about here he says I forget the exact he says but he pretty much comes [TS]

  right out and says on camera that after after goldeneye he doesn't really [TS]

  remember the differences between the movies here there are more or less the [TS]

  same the differences but that he can't remember which one was which right right [TS]

  yeah that's what I mean that there's no other like he remembers you know who was [TS]

  in the [TS]

  and the members they can't you know which ones the world is not enough which [TS]

  one is you know is that that era I have the same problem I remember going to [TS]

  have very very clean everything after that for him i dont number which I don't [TS]

  remember who was there with him three of them are four of them now go look it up [TS]

  Goldeneye Tomorrow Never Dies three I'm gonna be 500 is highest for you might be [TS]

  right so there was goldeneye yeah 85 tomorrow never dies [TS]

  ninety-seven that the one with the news right [TS]

  yeah the the report murdoch yeah the rupert murdoch guy and Teri Hatcher as [TS]

  like an old girlfriend who's now back in this life she was dating then there's [TS]

  the world is not enough that was where Richard yeah and then die another day [TS]

  that's right there were very right I think that was how he barry and I think [TS]

  that was also the invisible car [TS]

  impossible but it's funny wanna talk about the spektr could tell these you [TS]

  know those those those other titles are so empty tomorrow never dies the world [TS]

  is not enough time their day they sound like Bond movies but they sound like [TS]

  what they are buying movies there are indistinguishable from yeah exactly like [TS]

  die another day tomorrow never dies so if you told me that the plot of Die [TS]

  Another Day was tomorrow never dies I would say I would believe you if you [TS]

  told me the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies was in fact that plot of Die Another Day [TS]

  I would believe you I get the title means nothing if anything that happened [TS]

  the same day with the world is not enough [TS]

  you told me the world is not enough is the one with rupert murdoch I would say [TS]

  that makes sense because it's like he wanted to take over the world I don't [TS]

  know but it's not [TS]

  whereas if you told me that dr. no was about a crazy German guy who wants to [TS]

  steal all the gold important though you know you told me that diamonds are [TS]

  forever which a lot of people don't even like you know diamonds are forever was [TS]

  about a guy who who had a crazy tank that looked like a monster on an island [TS]

  in Jamaica I would be like no doctor no goldfinger that that meant something to [TS]

  the plot right diamonds are them in some Moonraker that indefinitely meant [TS]

  something to say what you will about Moonraker [TS]

  title meant something but tomorrow never dies [TS]

  Skyfall Skyfall you know it breaks a pattern where it's not named after like [TS]

  the bad guy or the MacGuffin but it's about the character you know you'll [TS]

  never like thirty forty years from now we're not going to forget which one [TS]

  Skyfall killers yeah Quantum of Solace Quantum of Solace fails that test the [TS]

  song test now the title test and and and the song test it is and you have the [TS]

  sound cards maybe it was it was Chris Cornell but not not full on soundgarden [TS]

  I think [TS]

  I would say passes test but Skyfall that that song like that still stands on the [TS]

  radio [TS]

  yeah when you're out shopping or something like that still gets on that [TS]

  he confuses them and so i would tell I would totally recommend the world know [TS]

  what's the documentary everything because that's that's where we learned [TS]

  to hate to put you on production stood for everything or nothing huge revealed [TS]

  to me yet same here I didn't and it cuz I just knew I always confuse me that it [TS]

  didn't seem like it had any kind of reference to the initials of cubby [TS]

  broccoli or the other guy who was original co-producing part yeah yeah [TS]

  Harry Saltzman yeah that's a million people in this right now like angry but [TS]

  they're not able to have their voices heard when we're trying to struggle to [TS]

  remember these things we need a life we need to live audience should be able to [TS]

  yelling at their phones right now its salts man died when I said before we [TS]

  wrap up keep the show short I do I want to talk to you because you've got a new [TS]

  thing so you got anything [TS]

  you've been doing for a couple weeks couple months that iran better elevation [TS]

  podcast used to have a blog we have a blog called better yeah this is I guess [TS]

  that's why I went from it being a blog to it being this other thing and it is [TS]

  it coincide does it coincide with the end of unprofessional I guess we're just [TS]

  like a direct I mean there's like a chronological I had this availability I [TS]

  was thinking about what I could do creatively but there's no like this led [TS]

  to that kind of a causal relationship you're doing a show on YouTube do you [TS]

  consider yourself a youtuber [TS]

  just today I i signed approval no pro account mostly because they had this [TS]

  this deals for Black Friday deal where you bought its 200 bucks a year from you [TS]

  approach count and that their deals if you buy the one-year membership the pro [TS]

  account for $20 they would give you a $20 gift card to be an age which is a [TS]

  photography electronic store here in New York and I need to buy some more [TS]

  equipment so this was like wow I'm gonna spend that money anyway [TS]

  rolling my eyes thinking about our sponsors as we don't really have anybody [TS]

  says gadgets even in the rotation sponsors but being a tie is a fantastic [TS]

  store they have amazing prices amazing amazing service in this crazy like [TS]

  pneumatic tube system for sending things down to how to explain it in the [TS]

  confines of a nice short podcast like that yeah I've never been there in [TS]

  person but I've heard it's cool it's pretty amazing it's like when your kid [TS]

  like the the drive-up teller at the bank and they had when I was a kid I was so [TS]

  fascinated by the my imagination went nuts like there must be a chocolate [TS]

  factory back there where willy wonka we're sending money through tubes and [TS]

  sometimes can you would come through when they noticed there's a kid my car [TS]

  and that it's kind of like being in the Chocolate Factory watching the tubes go [TS]

  over your head and it's like being managed you want like an obscure lands [TS]

  for like a Canon and Nikon [TS]

  everything you're doing this episode 566 and there are 56 minutes long and it's [TS]

  so it's sort of the opposite of like this show which is two hours of complain [TS]

  about that it's unstructured and goes on it's five minutes very tightly scripted [TS]

  and then edited monologue yeah and a couple weeks ago I i didnt episode about [TS]

  podcasting about what I thought the problem of podcasting is and it is [TS]

  almost impossible to say it here on this show because it's the show but it it [TS]

  sort of seems like there's the talk show and then there's a bunch of shows that [TS]

  kind of followed the template of the talk show and even even on things that [TS]

  I've done I've tried to never do a podcast about work stuff done podcast by [TS]

  design they even under very very specifically not talking about now that [TS]

  was the whole premise of unprofessional was that it was here somebody whose work [TS]

  we admire in whatever field and we are our ground rules for the episode is that [TS]

  we are not going to talk about that work [TS]

  yeah that's the one we can talk about anything but work and sometimes it would [TS]

  be crazy stuff like talking to somebody about like no elephant genitalia because [TS]

  that was just where the conversation round up with multi multi tracking that [TS]

  would be like to eat people did you know you never know where the conversation [TS]

  going to take you and that's kind of what it's like to be in a bar and talk [TS]

  to people I'm surprised frankly whatever they give multi multi so intimately [TS]

  familiar with the old thing where there's like three black guys feeling an [TS]

  elephant [TS]

  call this a different things you know it's a tree trunk its would be right at [TS]

  any time in its elephant and it's a man to mail I don't recognize that anywhere [TS]

  grapefruit sized probably bigger than I have honestly have no idea [TS]

  clearly not familiar with it I think that I think the timing was about how [TS]

  they they were or were not reconcile not appear why would they be pretty they're [TS]

  huge I don't know because they can gurus can cause they are getting way out yeah [TS]

  and I only know this was at a zoo in Australia in there are some kangaroos [TS]

  going at it like it was like the King drew on top of the female cambrian it [TS]

  was like it was kind of feeling around down there trying to find where to go [TS]

  and it was it was a very illuminating and disturbing women should be just as [TS]

  well known as the pouches and your kids in school [TS]

  younger brother and he was told kiddies in college he was taken to the [TS]

  Philadelphia Zoo and we were at the turtle exhibit and these turtles they [TS]

  have signs I mean these turtles are like some of the mail is like 85 years old [TS]

  roomies ancient superb and when you know right up behind the female and just [TS]

  right after I forget if it was the male and female or was it is impossible to [TS]

  tell because neither of their mouths really [TS]

  one of them was really really get into it audibly I mean its broad daylight [TS]

  open and I would say ten or fifteen feet away from the railing and these these [TS]

  big 34 foot grand turtles and screw it right there and open and all these kids [TS]

  are so many kids and all the kids are saying what are they doing is here and [TS]

  questioned kids are really like you know like something was clearly going on and [TS]

  it was noisy genuine concern right and for the most part this turtle don't even [TS]

  move and this the mail this hurdle is really going and it was one of the [TS]

  better it was like the reasons exist because it's what you watched you will [TS]

  head to the a five-year hurled have added or do you turn around and watch [TS]

  all the parents try to decide what I do like some of the parents were clearly of [TS]

  the let's just pretend this is nothing you know let's get real Catholic about [TS]

  this and just going to denial that this is going on and other parents were more [TS]

  of the sort of liberal open minded I don't want to act as though this is [TS]

  anything to be embarrassed about I'm going you know how to explain this to my [TS]

  kid in a sort of mature professional and and there's no way you can do the way [TS]

  that you could talk to like a 10 year old kid in a serious way about turtles [TS]

  who are having having sex it becomes a medicine [TS]

  your watching people watching animals would be a good bond movie title turtles [TS]

  having sex I'd watch it now but yet but your pot that's one of the things that [TS]

  I've had it in my notes for the next time you run the show talk about the [TS]

  podcast you called it podcast intervention [TS]

  yeah it just seems like we've had a lot of really smart people and a lot of very [TS]

  talented people but we kind of fallen into and when I say we I mean like you [TS]

  know the Apple tech community the world at large in the technique in within our [TS]

  bubble has a lot of people kinda doin' variations on the same theme and it's [TS]

  not that I think people shouldn't do podcast that I think people should do [TS]

  more packets I think everybody think it's a great way to communicate ideas [TS]

  and broadcast them I just wish that we would maybe try some other stuff too and [TS]

  maybe try some variation in the way we approach podcast we work together you [TS]

  know you know you know we work together on this show you edit the show for those [TS]

  who don't know Dave edits the show Dave even handles the sponsorship sales out [TS]

  for the show the talk show i mean it closes there is to know you are you you [TS]

  should you should be Creek you do enough work on this show that you should get a [TS]

  credit we don't have credits if the show had a kind of visuals there would be [TS]

  edited and some kind of maybe even produced by Dave with discredit on the [TS]

  talk show so it's no surprise that you're going to say good things about it [TS]

  but when I saw that episode of Better elevation I even though you don't [TS]

  remember if you mentioned my show that you say good things about the show and [TS]

  ATP something about the fact that we you know that the show an ATP work because [TS]

  the authors have strong voices that we already knew and I we get to him in [TS]

  another context something it's it's the already knew part it's you would you [TS]

  listen and talk show not because you heard there's a thing called the talks [TS]

  on through podcast you're probably asking to talk show because we doing [TS]

  fireball guy who knows I know I just assume that for us popular is the show [TS]

  has gotten I just assume that it's it's a subset of the people who read fireball [TS]

  that there are very maybe there are some that I'd love to hear from you but if [TS]

  there are people who don't like doing fireball but do you like the show [TS]

  but I do I do kind of feel like it's sort of like it's funny to start time [TS]

  some of these things together but I think it's in the way that Fleming only [TS]

  works if you're already a Bond fan there to talk show only works if you're [TS]

  already a daring fireball fan [TS]

  well yeah you you've referred to the talk show was the hike the director's [TS]

  commentary track but what I saw your your better elevation it even though [TS]

  your complimentary towards the show I took it as you know I took it as as [TS]

  motivation that why don't I up the game I do feel like I'm incredibly lazy with [TS]

  the format of the show that I was more I could do we could do anything you know i [TS]

  think thats a healthier response and really like I i kinda pissing people off [TS]

  and some people thought that I was attacking one person or another I don't [TS]

  get all of that but the night when I mentioned on the in the video that we [TS]

  have multiple podcast networks that are run by a white dude who was on more than [TS]

  one of those shows close if not every show on the network then almost every [TS]

  show on the network and it's really easy to assume that I'm talking about the [TS]

  fact that there are more than one there's more than one person that I [TS]

  could be talking about this kind of what I'm talking about right it's not like I [TS]

  guess anything particular to do with Leo Laporte or Dan Benjamin Orr [TS]

  even Moises for somebody like that or Mike Hurley ordinary or are there so [TS]

  many to choose from and that's kind of what I'm talking about where we might [TS]

  have a hundred podcasts but it seems like it may be the same twenty people [TS]

  doing all 100 of them and then again that's not even necessarily about the [TS]

  problems with any one of those people at any one of the shows that you can say [TS]

  that vague phrase you know white dude from the tech world who's on a bunch of [TS]

  shows and it can apply to so many yet in any one of those shows and when those [TS]

  people their quality shows quality people do most of them are friends of [TS]

  mine people that I would speak very highly of them in their shows in their [TS]

  approach to their work [TS]

  Mike really I talk to a lot even before like I sent him the script for the show [TS]

  and we talked a lot about the state of podcasting and what what could be done [TS]

  to push things forward he's got a great ideas and I really do think that he's a [TS]

  voice for for positive change there but at a macro level when you zoom out and [TS]

  you start to see a lot of like it's like the second time threads together they [TS]

  use them out and attack of the clones and you see just a sea of blue and green [TS]

  light sabers that wouldn't look great you start to see the problem with only [TS]

  two colors yep that's more colors in there and I'm worried that as our sphere [TS]

  of influence grows we're not really adding anything else to it like working [TS]

  with the same ingredients yeah I worry that we and by we I mean me since I have [TS]

  popular show and I really have an audience and I'm not doing any where [TS]

  near enough to exercise any sort of muscles to play with the form it's you [TS]

  know hit record and we've got plenty of the talk about and I think that it's you [TS]

  know I'm based on feedback from people in the fact that you know the the [TS]

  download numbers for the show are going up there they're going up faster than [TS]

  traffic at different fireball fireball is sort of Pete readership wise at least [TS]

  in terms of things you can measure but the show is gaining popularity and I [TS]

  think it's because I have gotten so many interesting people on who have [TS]

  interesting things to say but the forum is incredibly lazy get somebody [TS]

  interesting on the other end [TS]

  hit record for two hours and then you know has it over to Dave to get the [TS]

  levels fix the mistakes cut out whereas we could do anything you know do [TS]

  something like cereal or whatever [TS]

  yeah people were in that discussion about podcast over the last couple of [TS]

  weeks and I keep hearing the same phrase repeated which is podcasts are or are [TS]

  the new blogs which I disagree with because with a blog post presumably you [TS]

  would come up with an idea and you think through it and you had ended and refine [TS]

  it and you'd go through a few drafts whereas on a podcast you on the [TS]

  landscape it's more like sitting down and recorded conversation so it's not [TS]

  that podcast with new blogs it's more like podcasts are the new I am logs [TS]

  it's a conversation there's nothing wrong with that my my only argument is [TS]

  over I think we could also be doing other things to push it forward [TS]

  yeah I told her that I I like for example I and I'm not that nobody has [TS]

  ever done but like for something like WWDC you know instead of just doing one [TS]

  big show or like I've done last couple years like the live show which I could [TS]

  still do but why not in the course of the week do you know a couple of fifteen [TS]

  minute episodes just with you know new stuff I don't have time on day one to do [TS]

  a real episode of the show why can't I have something they hit the feed-in goes [TS]

  the podcast things which is like a 10 minute overview ya around segments [TS]

  rather than a conversation right and it would be you know in lieu Stearns cos [TS]

  the analogy doesn't hold prolong but it'd be like the way that on during [TS]

  fireball it's not just big long articles it in fact most of it is real short [TS]

  links to other things why couldn't the feed for the talk show have a bunch of [TS]

  little things in it [TS]

  yeah yeah and so it was Jason Snell was unprofessional months ago and we had [TS]

  this sort of matter discussion about podcasting and what it all means and i [TS]

  was thinkin about video and how [TS]

  you are you have you know a decent podcast the that gets a fair bit of [TS]

  traffic you're getting a 10,000 people listening to an episode but you put a [TS]

  YouTube video in tens or hundreds of thousands of views because it means [TS]

  abuse there's people out there with with YouTube channels that have twenty to [TS]

  thirty million subscribers to say nothing of the views they get your [TS]

  subscribers people who are actively subscribe to that channel and it just [TS]

  seems like there's this huge audience for this kind of content that maybe were [TS]

  just not tapped into for whatever reason and that sort of thing about that and I [TS]

  decided that whatever I do next I want I want to try something new I want to push [TS]

  the boundaries but I don't feel like we've been pushing and something that I [TS]

  definitely feel I haven't pushed yeah I'm pretty sure the way to do video i [TS]

  think is not the let's just record a podcast and will also let the camera on [TS]

  our computer stream as well we record a podcast you know what I mean like that [TS]

  show was just them filming while they were recording the radio show [TS]

  yeah it was a little bit higher production values you know I'm thinking [TS]

  like like I know some people like it some people actually like it but like [TS]

  the way that with Leo's shows the guests are all you know there's also a you know [TS]

  they're they're recording audio but they also have and some of the people are in [TS]

  studio and it works a little bit more as it looks a little bit more like a [TS]

  regular TV thing but like like whenever I've been on you know Mac break we clear [TS]

  something like that it's just a stupid view of me here in my home office [TS]

  computer with headphones on and to me that's it's not really adding anything [TS]

  to me it's almost distracting I feel like I would never enjoyed listening to [TS]

  it [TS]

  watching this show like I don't want to see the guys record ATP that would I [TS]

  would gain nothing from that whereas I do think though that in theory there is [TS]

  something that they TTP guys could do that would be video but it's a different [TS]

  thing right right [TS]

  and that's where I get excited about the idea of video as a medium and it's a [TS]

  funny to talk about this as if it's like some new frontier that we've just [TS]

  discovered whereas your son who was 10 already knows everything about you too [TS]

  and that's just like the world he lives in and that you're not somebody into [TS]

  your YouTube channel [TS]

  well and it's funny cause it's something you know it gets to the the weird notion [TS]

  that you have to have a name for a thing and that that the name for a thing can [TS]

  affect the way people feel and see approach it you know and that it was [TS]

  possible to do what is exactly known as blogging before the word blog weblog [TS]

  call it hit but it was only after we had a name for it that we all kind of agreed [TS]

  that you'd make posts and they would you know top-down chronological order that [TS]

  it made the whole thing take off and yeah people were doing what we now call [TS]

  podcasts before the word podcasts existed I mean they were doing it before [TS]

  there was even an iPod which is where the podcast come from and I remember the [TS]

  first show I ever did was Shawn King's your Mac life and that was it was after [TS]

  during fireball started as a 2002 but the tech is only twelve years ago but [TS]

  the tech was told that there was no like way to do it over the internet I [TS]

  actually like a telephone call in and we talked for like two hours I think we [TS]

  need to be a template for this kind of thing yeah you know in the wave it logs [TS]

  sort of became a thing after cocky enduring fireball like we had a template [TS]

  weekend in New how that worked and so that that seems like a thing I [TS]

  understand it I can I can do that not the same level of quality but I can make [TS]

  a thing to that pattern and it is not that there's anything wrong with [TS]

  following the pattern it's that after a while if new new pattern start to emerge [TS]

  then maybe better problem yeah I think part of it you know if you want to have [TS]

  something that I would you call for like a tumblr for podcasts more or less yeah [TS]

  there's there's no they drop in easy system it seems like in the same way [TS]

  that anybody could sit down in front [TS]

  tumblr Foursquare space and and just make a website there's no way to do that [TS]

  for podcasts and it seems like there should be it seems like there should be [TS]

  really great software for making podcast because everybody who write software has [TS]

  a podcast now you think that this just happen [TS]

  yeah I almost feel like the part podcast has become known as just two people or [TS]

  or or a panel of people just turning on record in talking and that the name and [TS]

  the word itself is sort of limited the idea of what it what it can be [TS]

  whereas if we just called them shows it would be a little bit more open-ended [TS]

  and might be nice people more to do it also the word podcast has this vibe of [TS]

  dirty texting maybe I don't know I think it definitely has a sort of amateur ring [TS]

  to it just like mom did and it will will and will continue to wear off as more [TS]

  and more [TS]

  podcast get better production lies and more and more people with you know like [TS]

  and PR you know I like the millions of people who listen to cereal which is [TS]

  podcast yeah but it's a great example of what you could be doing with the medium [TS]

  it was funny to me as audio is a medium is older than movies at older than TV [TS]

  that we're not looking at that as the template is interesting to me in Kabul [TS]

  they're doing radio plays and that kind of thing you'd like to show my curly in [TS]

  case you missed talking about real life stuff these these issues that are kind [TS]

  of if the format isn't pushing the boundary that it was the subject matter [TS]

  is and that's why I'd love to see more of that but also I'd like to see people [TS]

  trying things that are just audio but there are other things we could be doing [TS]

  and we have in the same way that we it's it's so easy to sit down to a computer [TS]

  and put something on the internet you typed out where the recorded in an audio [TS]

  it sits in fact even easier as bad as [TS]

  as weird as it is that the tools don't exist to make podcasting easier it's [TS]

  even weirder that we're not doing more video when those tools do exist for [TS]

  video I feel like it's an editing problem to them they feel like the tools [TS]

  to make these will come eventually they'll probably come sooner rather than [TS]

  later but I feel like it's more than just about hitting record and then [TS]

  hitting stop and then somehow being able to quickly post what happened in between [TS]

  hitting accordance top like I'm not saying its quality anything but the [TS]

  tools for editing and posting video from your phone [TS]

  way better than podcast yeah I think it's funny that we've got these super [TS]

  high-def cameras and there's always a big push every year when the new iPhone [TS]

  comes out we talk about the camera but there's been no major advancement to the [TS]

  microphone technology right like nobody would recommend nobody would recommend [TS]

  using the built-in mic on an iPhone whereas you could record pretty pretty [TS]

  damn good video with ya but they have the audio notoriously terrible I found [TS]

  you are going to spend all this damn money on a Canon 5d Mark III and I find [TS]

  that when when I'm on vacation from traveling I just shoot from my iPhone [TS]

  because those videos US dollar yeah especially with a post-processing to the [TS]

  video you can really get pretty fairly you know I get to where professionals a [TS]

  little loaded as a pretty close to what we know what better than you can get [TS]

  better than what used to be considered professional video pretty quickly right [TS]

  yeah definitely [TS]

  and professionally loaded but ok so the video from my phone I probably wouldn't [TS]

  put into the next James Bond movie but it works great on my YouTube channel [TS]

  the shots look fantastic and I don't mean it looks great in an amateur this [TS]

  is something I threw together we can kind of like you know on that side [TS]

  screen and that's that kind of format that kind of content it works [TS]

  brilliantly as high def video there's definitely something intimate about [TS]

  video to that is different and I tell you honestly I I sometimes have trouble [TS]

  watching [TS]

  better elevation videos because I know you do it it's in a way that I have a [TS]

  lot of trouble listening to my own voice and show it was up to [TS]

  was up to me I couldn't edit this show because I just can't bring myself to [TS]

  listen to it I can listen to parts of it and you know I've done enough for enough [TS]

  years that it doesn't factor but it's it's really hard and I've ever seen on [TS]

  Letterman like Johnny Depp is one of these actors who professes that he never [TS]

  watches his own yeah and I used it I used to think that was bullshit nice to [TS]

  think just being falsely modest but actually think it's true now I think [TS]

  depending on your mind that you just can't bear to watch yourself kid enjoy [TS]

  it you can't see it the way other people do and it's like I kind of get that [TS]

  feeling when I watch your better elevation videos because I know if I [TS]

  didn't know you wouldn't occur to me you would just be this guy saying this [TS]

  interesting thing on a video but because I know you it's like wait that's dave [TS]

  and its like looking at the camera guy mentioned something about being a little [TS]

  weirded out like ours I was staring directly in my car is making eye contact [TS]

  with him but I think it's because I know you I don't know but like your most [TS]

  recent one you did without you being on camera was entirely visuals yeah it's [TS]

  like it's all sort of almost looks like slide where it was done in the style of [TS]

  my gotta give credit to have done in the style of CGP grey videos [TS]

  yeah and that that as an influence is written all over it if you've ever seen [TS]

  anything that degrades done pretty obviously and his style and it was [TS]

  partly in a modern is partly me kind of playing around with it and I realized [TS]

  that I had started to get into into habits with like the the way I was [TS]

  handling jump shots in the way of doing anything on the chilly I thought like [TS]

  well this is still really early in the whole point is to be experimenting so [TS]

  let's try something new maybe it can be terrible maybe it's gonna be on [TS]

  watchable but I'm going to try something new and it works it works so called how [TS]

  to make a hit up I found that went to prison listen to or watch you know like [TS]

  it went down like butter whereas all the ones where you're on camera to me now [TS]

  because there you're bad [TS]

  threshold it's because I know you there's something weird about that [TS]

  'cause i'm looking longingly into your eyes through your computer screen I [TS]

  don't know it's the way they whenever you see somebody you know on a video [TS]

  doesn't it to have a weird effect on you you know like I had seen Letterman [TS]

  thousands of times over the years but like if somebody I knew was on Letterman [TS]

  its weird like it's weird when I see Clint Morris on TV [TS]

  yeah right I can see that you may be right now I'm just sort of thinking out [TS]

  loud but those johnnie I videos that they've shown ever Apple releases a new [TS]

  product that same video he's talking about the aluminium and how the thing is [TS]

  contoured in the what ever imagined the whole time is talking he's staring right [TS]

  maybe a little off-putting so maybe there is an element to there's an [TS]

  intimacy too I contacted not necessarily good or bad but there might be something [TS]

  to that [TS]

  yeah maybe there's some kind of psychology but like you know the nightly [TS]

  news guys all look the camera the teleprompter set up so that it looks [TS]

  like they're looking at the camera [TS]

  yeah and I think it's maybe a instructional vs informative I don't [TS]

  know maybe there's gotta be sure somebody's done studies I don't know if [TS]

  this stuff up doing john stuart is the first half of the show looking right at [TS]

  the camera that's true could be about the distance from the camera to the [TS]

  length of time but that's often a tweet where should be go where you're not [TS]

  married to YouTube in particular that you might be switching to Vimeo its [TS]

  video not switching I'm just trying to add you to my knows a thing and 44 [TS]

  search ability YouTube is the second largest search engine and that's that's [TS]

  a real thing and I don't want to miss out on the kids in their YouTube but [TS]

  also some people just pay YouTube that's understandable position and if that's [TS]

  the case now I'm on Vimeo cuz I get that killer deal so both trying to try to [TS]

  make some stuff and see what works and [TS]

  you know when it comes to words like it's interesting to me with the kids I [TS]

  hear the word youtuber and to me it sounds dismissive I would be hesitant to [TS]

  say that your YouTube right now because I don't want to I don't have it sounds [TS]

  to me like I'm insulting him calling when people call deuce Heather Armstrong [TS]

  mommy bloggers like a writer she's a really good one but it's you know [TS]

  somehow everything new I think sounds novel and diminutive like I'm sure the [TS]

  word for certain abbreviating television is TV it it's forties or fifties it [TS]

  sounded like dismissive it's just TV where is that word right who was born in [TS]

  the air over TV is just almost unimaginably dominant dominating [TS]

  cultural force it just is what it is you know the color coded anything and it [TS]

  would just seem awesome because TV is awesome you know I used to reject the [TS]

  word blog really not a good word to me he's I stuck with calling them web blogs [TS]

  for as long as I could but now it's been long enough that it's you know it it no [TS]

  longer feels like anything and I feel a youtuber is that way and I've noticed [TS]

  with Jonas Lake you know who watches obsessive amount of you to be watches [TS]

  farmer YouTube then he watches commercial television and youtuber is [TS]

  just as no plus or minus me at all it just means somebody who's shows you can [TS]

  watch on you too you know there's this really cool democratization of content [TS]

  affect where this is sort of like this was our dream right [TS]

  did the internets dream was that anybody could make stuff and just put it out [TS]

  there and play music with some friends now and we're talking about a woman [TS]

  nineties if you wanted to make a video that be seen by anybody want to make a [TS]

  record you had a record deal yet have all this money it costs a fortune now [TS]

  like we could we could record a song and make the video for the song on iTunes in [TS]

  the video on YouTube by the end of the day [TS]

  well the big thing I remember from the nineties was pressing around CDs and [TS]

  being given them out you know if you're big enough to even be booked at a venue [TS]

  than you give yourself at the venue where you're still below that you [TS]

  college campuses and stuff set up shop somewhere and just hand them out people [TS]

  yeah now we we live in this this time where you can just make stuff and put on [TS]

  the internet and it's there for anybody and that's really cool and it seems like [TS]

  the people the most creative in the most talented in the people with the access [TS]

  to the best equipment and technology could maybe be the ones making the best [TS]

  content doesn't necessarily seem to always be that way [TS]

  yeah and the last thing I really hit me about that and ties into your podcasting [TS]

  episode the podcast intervention episode is it ties into the head first if you're [TS]

  older and you're used to the words comes the new stuff seems amateur you know [TS]

  like whether it's blogging for writing your YouTube videos five-minute YouTube [TS]

  videos for video and it just seems like the lesser this is the the self self [TS]

  publish this is where the people who can't make it in the real world going [TS]

  you know pretend like they're doing it and then you open your mind realize it [TS]

  you know the good stuff could be coming from anywhere and you realize that the [TS]

  new format is the one that has the most freedom are you don't have to do it in [TS]

  30 minute increments because you're based on this TV model where everything [TS]

  has to be 30 60 90 minutes long to fit in the schedule and you can do something [TS]

  like say I have a six-minute essay on making it out and it can be exactly six [TS]

  minutes long which is exactly what I feel like if there's anything I've done [TS]

  you know successfully with form with caring fireball it's it's right in a [TS]

  forum where if I need if I need a thousand words I can use thousands of I [TS]

  need three thousand words I can use three thousand words [TS]

  and if I can make my point with three words I use three words and you could [TS]

  never do that in the print world you couldn't have you know Paul Krugman's [TS]

  column in The New York Times can't be seven words long has to you know has to [TS]

  be exhibited 50 words or 357 fifty yeah and I look it your stuff and when Marco [TS]

  stuff and Jason's now stuff and it seems especially the three of you in [TS]

  particular it strikes me that you guys have these voices that people listen to [TS]

  and got these shows like literally voices the people listen to it and there [TS]

  is an authority and legitimacy to that and it would be cool to see that kind of [TS]

  weight put behind yeah yeah I think maybe even the word intervention and [TS]

  maybe it came off a little bit more than I no like I was condemning something [TS]

  that I meant for it to but they might my whole point my the whole spirit of this [TS]

  is like I just want to try new stuff stuff because I think that a lot of [TS]

  really smart really talented people with a lot of pretty advanced technology in [TS]

  their pockets right where is the best place them where is the one place people [TS]

  can go see a couple episodes of Better elevation youtube.com / better elevation [TS]

  orbitz.com such better elevation or better elevation [TS]

  yeah I think that I think that works and jelly genitalia turtles / better [TS]

  television / hey let's talk about computers [TS]