The Talk Show

102: ‘Maybe You Don’t Take an Apprentice’, With Dave Wiskus


00:00:00   is this the show we gonna show you this show could be which 2015 mega franchise [TS]

00:00:11   sequel news are you more excited about this week we've got star wars with a new [TS]

00:00:16   trailer that came out like a week before Thanksgiving and we've got now as of [TS]

00:00:20   today the day recording a title and cast for the 24th bond I said to me [TS]

00:00:29   Star Wars and only because I've seen some of it getting the see the [TS]

00:00:33   Millennium Falcon flying over some saying wherever that was tattooing or [TS]

00:00:37   whatever it was that but you get chills [TS]

00:00:40   pretty interesting to me because they're probably my two favorite franchises [TS]

00:00:44   drawing a blank on anything else that you would call a franchise that I could [TS]

00:00:48   put up there with them the world may be out there with them but the Marvel [TS]

00:00:53   Cinematic Universe stuff I like that stuff but it is not does no Marvel movie [TS]

00:00:59   that ever been announced that's gotten me anywhere near as excited as either of [TS]

00:01:06   these that maybe it's because it's only getting maybe in 30 years I think [TS]

00:01:09   someday Jonas when they reboot the marble slab generous would get that [TS]

00:01:12   excited I don't know I know I would I just don't think that their of the [TS]

00:01:16   calibre were you seen Guardian yea I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it's the [TS]

00:01:23   caliber Star Wars but I'd say that that's the thing that i've seen in [TS]

00:01:25   theaters lately that gave me anywhere near that same level of feeling yeah but [TS]

00:01:32   it's still a guardian knowing the guardians of the galaxy Tues coming out [TS]

00:01:36   when they when they announced the trailer whatever it is no way that i'm [TS]

00:01:39   gonna be as excited as I am about either of these movies yeah that's cause he [TS]

00:01:42   grew up with Star Wars well and group of James Bond maybe that's it I'm not even [TS]

00:01:46   saying it because quality Anderson right [TS]

00:01:50   Anderson it's just interesting to me though because they're the two my two [TS]

00:01:54   favorite franchises and they're coming out in such close proximity to each [TS]

00:01:59   other so Star Wars is dated December 2015 yet December and then was in [TS]

00:02:05   november ninth for bonds are six there's something but it's a perfect day [TS]

00:02:09   yeah I'm surprised that the bond movie it doesn't even start filming until [TS]

00:02:14   Monday so it's gonna be in theaters in November I honestly thought that [TS]

00:02:20   blockbuster action movies like that took more than here [TS]

00:02:23   well they've they knew about the movie seems like the visual effects well done [TS]

00:02:28   they've got to go and shoot it real quick [TS]

00:02:32   effects are jammed but I guess it just goes to show how much longer production [TS]

00:02:36   and clearly these are two franchises that are known for their high production [TS]

00:02:40   values you know bonded and Star Wars yeah I think it just goes to show how [TS]

00:02:46   much more time it takes to make a truly effects Laden film like Star Wars film [TS]

00:02:53   then I mean obviously there's a lot of effects work in a Bond movie but a lot [TS]

00:02:59   of the sets and everything are practical and so I guess it doesn't take that much [TS]

00:03:02   longer to add it you know after shooting star wars will ya te visual thing not [TS]

00:03:09   just that there's more visual effects but i dont im I haven't seen the script [TS]

00:03:13   for the new Bond movie but I'm guessing that none of the characters are fully CG [TS]

00:03:16   yeah I mean I hope there's no charger I guess I just as curious I just seems to [TS]

00:03:27   seems the pace of Star Wars seems exactly right to me and I know that if I [TS]

00:03:31   were a kid like when I was a kid and the Star Wars movies our new intern at first [TS]

00:03:36   I thought it took impossibly long for each one to come out [TS]

00:03:39   I I could not believe how did you know that way for years for the Empire [TS]

00:03:42   Strikes Back and it was another two years for Return of the Jedi I couldn't [TS]

00:03:48   believe I had to wait that long because I just add another patient but now that [TS]

00:03:51   I'm an adult like ever since this new Star Wars movie was announced the whole [TS]

00:03:55   thing where Lucas is selling it to Disney and you know that they have a new [TS]

00:04:00   trilogy and gonna be you know basic just it's going to be the original you know [TS]

00:04:05   cast thirty years later you know more or less the same anytime in the real world [TS]

00:04:10   that passed since Star Wars is gonna be in their universe what it is and then [TS]

00:04:14   they announced JJA Abrams was gonna direct and the writers in etcetera and [TS]

00:04:18   the the schedule in just felt to me like this all seems fair this seems like a [TS]

00:04:24   reasonable amount of time like this is proceeding at a reasonable pace and 2015 [TS]

00:04:29   sounds like a reasonable time for the movie to come out this bond movie that [TS]

00:04:34   they're not shooting until Monday coming out 11 months from now that seems crazy [TS]

00:04:38   you say that book episode 1 Phantom Menace came out in ninety nine and [TS]

00:04:44   attack of the clones came out in 2001 and then come into the city motors in [TS]

00:04:48   three sets two years between movie gotta figure they probably took a little bit [TS]

00:04:51   of time off between [TS]

00:04:52   so let's say let's say a year and a half due to do each one of those I guess I [TS]

00:04:59   don't know it just you and those are i mean they had to make george are they [TS]

00:05:02   hadn't made all those clones they had to do the i mean that there's a lot of not [TS]

00:05:06   just make an explosion put it over here and do some green screen stuff but like [TS]

00:05:09   fully realized well more less fully realize he characters that have to be [TS]

00:05:14   enemy that little details I I can see it I can see how that would take longer if [TS]

00:05:20   they can do that in a year and a half but it's not inconceivable that you mean [TS]

00:05:23   did they make quantum of Solace and the weekend [TS]

00:05:25   visual effects of everything but not that I'm putting you on the spot because [TS]

00:05:34   it is it is it is it is dangerous [TS]

00:05:40   not dangerous but its hallowed the talk-show ground talking about the Bond [TS]

00:05:45   movies [TS]

00:05:45   forgot about that and it is something that I purposely in deliberately did not [TS]

00:05:51   you know the old run with with Dan Benjamin we did that thing where we went [TS]

00:05:55   through all 12 22 and 20 to be included never say never again which is not an [TS]

00:06:05   option so we did 23 episodes of the show where one Bond movie per show you know [TS]

00:06:13   spent like an hour talking about which was a lot of fun I think the longtime [TS]

00:06:18   listeners of the show when people come up to me it easier for everybody to have [TS]

00:06:23   a comment about the shower always about the bonds series I remember I listen to [TS]

00:06:27   this at a time when I hadn't even seen all the movies and but that part of the [TS]

00:06:31   show you know has a lot more staying power than the first half of the show [TS]

00:06:34   right exactly evergreen write it you know and i didnt [TS]

00:06:40   dan and I broke up and he's not here and then Skyfall came out and so there was [TS]

00:06:47   no episode where did that and I don't think there ever will be I don't be [TS]

00:06:53   right to do it with somebody else and happened and Benjamin but we can talk [TS]

00:06:59   about you know without going for a whole hour about Skyfall we can still talk [TS]

00:07:02   bond but it's tough spot here people are going up against the old stuff well I [TS]

00:07:11   just hope I can live up to expectations so you're more excited about Star Wars [TS]

00:07:16   then then then spektr [TS]

00:07:18   it's it's a 10 it's I say yes but because I've seen it that you ask [TS]

00:07:26   somebody with more than one kid who their favorite kid is really answer that [TS]

00:07:31   question but if one of the kids have been born yet I like the first one [TS]

00:07:34   better cuz I've seen it why one of the differences I've been thinking about a [TS]

00:07:38   lot I just think it's so interesting that they're coming out the same time [TS]

00:07:42   big news came out within a week or two of each other and their to my two [TS]

00:07:46   favorite thing it just seems so serendipitous I was thinking about it a [TS]

00:07:48   lot I'm even thinking maybe I do maybe like a Star Wars special episode of the [TS]

00:07:54   show it sometime this month maybe like you know the Star Wars themed call it a [TS]

00:07:59   holiday Star Wars Holiday Special [TS]

00:08:04   go just go two hours on something something I could easily put together we [TS]

00:08:11   could do three shows on Stowers could start a whole new podcast just talking [TS]

00:08:15   about start by comparing it to the Bond franchise clearly one of the big [TS]

00:08:19   differences is that we're up to bond 24 and star wars we've only had six movies [TS]

00:08:25   or seven if you want to count the Clone Wars which relied really don't think [TS]

00:08:29   it's fair because even though was released theatrically they just decided [TS]

00:08:33   to put into theaters a ninety-minute TV pilot that's a funny way to look at it I [TS]

00:08:39   i think that was made as a TV pilot and over like this is actually pretty good [TS]

00:08:43   you know maybe you know will will you know reframe it first cinema you know [TS]

00:08:48   greenside maybe they didn't maybe they didn't even maybe it was 1.85 with [TS]

00:08:53   something like that so it's close to the 69 I remember seeing that in the theater [TS]

00:08:58   than walking out just what was that it wasn't that wasn't anything like I [TS]

00:09:03   thought it was going to be watching the cartoon like the animated series of was [TS]

00:09:06   really good and sometimes good it wasn't consistently it wasn't good I would say [TS]

00:09:15   with my my most recent benchmarks for Star Wars quality being the prequel [TS]

00:09:19   trilogy Clone Wars trigger it was worse than the prequel trilogy really yeah I [TS]

00:09:26   don't I think it it always felt pad out to me it always felt to me like they [TS]

00:09:30   didn't I think we have to do 2008 that was less than that but whatever they did [TS]

00:09:39   they only had about half as many that were decent and it always felt pat it [TS]

00:09:42   out and cliffhanger did did did you watch a while I was going for the most [TS]

00:09:47   part but yes I watch them all back to back side watch six or seven [TS]

00:09:54   at a time and so if there's a bad one its kind of lost its padded out by the [TS]

00:10:01   good ones even if even fathom a bad you're still kind of remember I don't [TS]

00:10:06   know I just felt like overall it it was a lost opportunity and I felt like they [TS]

00:10:12   had a lot of things that were repetitious and that took away from the [TS]

00:10:15   the prequel trilogy like the fact that obi-wan and Anakin had a bunch of [TS]

00:10:22   encounters with Duke makes it changes the way the movies presented you know [TS]

00:10:30   they had the one encounter in the second movie where mannequin lost his arm and [TS]

00:10:36   obi-wan almost got killed and two came in and rescued him fight and then in the [TS]

00:10:42   next movie they made it seem as though we haven't seen this guy since the last [TS]

00:10:46   time when he picked us up bro good let's do this let's do it right this time but [TS]

00:10:52   in the meantime if you watch the Clone Wars TV show they've fought against [TS]

00:10:55   Dooku dozens of times in between in the movie is it always seemed like there is [TS]

00:11:00   a huge chunk of time that we just didn't get to see and it felt really awkward as [TS]

00:11:04   in the original trilogy the time between Empire and Jedi if you think about it [TS]

00:11:09   there's probably some stuff that happened like the just getting Lando [TS]

00:11:13   into Jabba's palace and like getting everything set up to pull that off [TS]

00:11:17   must have taken some time but you're not really missing out on much by not seeing [TS]

00:11:21   those things get a sense of time has passed we don't need to know exactly how [TS]

00:11:25   much time right and there is a reference in Empire Strikes Back where decides to [TS]

00:11:31   to leave hard to go paint job and it's like he mentions like we need live [TS]

00:11:41   audience it's like or or something like that that there is something about it [TS]

00:11:45   that they encountered about bounty hunter recently tried to kill Han and [TS]

00:11:49   just little things like that sometimes but the difference between the gap [TS]

00:11:56   between episode to episode three [TS]

00:11:58   it just feels like we missed a movie if you're watching it sitting down to watch [TS]

00:12:03   it even if you watch them back to back it feels like there's an [TS]

00:12:06   entire movie missing which is one of the big failings of the prequel trilogy but [TS]

00:12:10   so I in that regard I didn't mind the clone wars going into some more of that [TS]

00:12:14   back story so because I felt like I missed it to begin with my just feel [TS]

00:12:18   like it could have been better [TS]

00:12:19   yeah my trouble with it was it never really felt like Star Wars yeah I agree [TS]

00:12:24   with that too [TS]

00:12:25   there's a good style changed it was fine and once you can ease into it when she [TS]

00:12:29   get used to it it's pretty it's pretty good at entertaining but it never really [TS]

00:12:33   felt like a nautical star wars in the way that the Expanded Universe stuff [TS]

00:12:36   always kind of feels like the infection yeah yeah just didn't quite feel like [TS]

00:12:40   same thing with scene in the movie so I still say there's only six movies and [TS]

00:12:45   that's the big difference is we've only had six movies over 37 years whereas [TS]

00:12:53   we've had 24 Bond movies in 50 years so it's clearly a different pace because [TS]

00:13:00   there was a huge gap between the two trilogies and we've had another gap [TS]

00:13:04   since the last trilogy that really helps to soften the blow I think if this next [TS]

00:13:09   Bond movie is in very good that's ok right and I think that's actually where [TS]

00:13:13   star wars especially now that disney owns it and this is what does it keep [TS]

00:13:20   going we're going to see you know there's there's going to be more Star [TS]

00:13:24   Wars trilogy's after this one [TS]

00:13:25   whether it's a thousand years ago in the future whatever and some might be good [TS]

00:13:30   and some may be bad but eventually it will you know it all work itself out and [TS]

00:13:36   I'll be absent might be that you can you can get by with it flows but the fact [TS]

00:13:40   that they've only been six is what makes people get so much about the the prequel [TS]

00:13:46   trilogy because we've only had six and three of them were kind of did ya make a [TS]

00:13:51   comparison another medium you look at a TV show like Sherlock and each season is [TS]

00:13:55   only three episodes so it's if one of them is bad it stands out way more [TS]

00:14:00   whereas a normal TV show it's twenty episodes in the season if one's bad you [TS]

00:14:05   know right but and it's like comparing baseball to football [TS]

00:14:12   really drastic as baseball plays in USA plays a hundred and sixty two [TS]

00:14:18   regular-season games here and football NFL the only play 16 games so I give [TS]

00:14:23   your favorite team only lose lose four games in a row it's not good in baseball [TS]

00:14:28   but it's you know for you out of a hundred and sixty it's a long season if [TS]

00:14:31   you lose for football games in a row thats quarter of your season is lost all [TS]

00:14:35   around great baseball you lose a game we just wait until the game they play later [TS]

00:14:38   that afternoon but I do feel that the pressure is really on Star Wars at this [TS]

00:14:43   point though because everybody was consensus is that they were so [TS]

00:14:47   disappointed [TS]

00:14:49   consensus i think is the right word these things are always going to be [TS]

00:14:52   subjective but I think that if you polled people in this world democracy if [TS]

00:14:58   opinions were democracy [TS]

00:15:00   expunged from the record if we could go back in time and make those movies I but [TS]

00:15:04   most people would like to do that I'm I'm not have that opinion and I was it's [TS]

00:15:09   been a long time since I've talked Star Wars on the show I'm nowhere near as [TS]

00:15:11   down on the prequel trilogy is a lot of my peers are of our generation and maybe [TS]

00:15:17   it partly because I have a son who you know so young and I've said this before [TS]

00:15:22   it was with mult while back but in Genesis peers they don't really see a [TS]

00:15:28   difference between the trilogy there's just Star Wars movies and her longtime [TS]

00:15:32   he was even confused about the chronology of them and I know some [TS]

00:15:38   people you know like I Siracusa famously [TS]

00:15:40   like will even let his kids watch the prequel trilogy I understand why you as [TS]

00:15:49   cinema fans you would do that but you're robbing your kid of you know something [TS]

00:15:55   that is pure snow they did you know they like to clone troopers and stuff like [TS]

00:15:58   that it's it's it's different for them I don't know and I think it's very hard to [TS]

00:16:03   compare to when you live in a world where you can watch them on demand [TS]

00:16:07   whereas I grew up I don't think they came out on home video until lake [TS]

00:16:12   he's so you have plenty of crap that we watch when we were kids that we really [TS]

00:16:16   like to make a look back [TS]

00:16:17   adults and recognize it terrible you could only see the Star Wars movies in [TS]

00:16:22   cinema and they did re-released them in between so they go see Star Wars two [TS]

00:16:28   years after it came out again but you know you were limited by how many times [TS]

00:16:32   apparently go to the movies here [TS]

00:16:34   yeah I didn't see Star Wars until 15 which was I quite like 10 years closer [TS]

00:16:43   to 2018 did you watch them to your your initial exposure was in home video I [TS]

00:16:50   remember I was in the comics 13 between 11 and 13 when I was really in the [TS]

00:16:56   comics I would go to the comic book stores they would have liked Star Wars [TS]

00:16:59   stuff and it always looked to me baby was the haircut for the quality of the [TS]

00:17:03   printing but always looked old it looked like old seventies but the original [TS]

00:17:08   Battlestar Galactica a flash grenade had that vibe like this is stuff that can be [TS]

00:17:12   old and cheesy at all about it and it wasn't until friend had gotten his [TS]

00:17:16   birthday VHS access feature sets that came out before other releases the rear [TS]

00:17:23   and I know you gotta see this [TS]

00:17:26   you put in the tape and I think they can meet all of his other friends that were [TS]

00:17:30   there everybody fell asleep at the movie ends and I'm still like glued to the [TS]

00:17:34   edge of my seat my life had been changed I still remember seeing the first time [TS]

00:17:38   in that I was a first-round 77 so I was only like four years old I remember [TS]

00:17:46   going with my dad to the theaters see it and my dad got a lot of movies in the [TS]

00:17:53   theaters but you know went to a fair amount and you know my dad would often [TS]

00:17:58   be the one to take me and my sisters two years younger than me and a lot of times [TS]

00:18:02   yet [TS]

00:18:07   and I remember there a general feeling that my dad didn't really give two shits [TS]

00:18:13   about them you know he has a good sport about it but you know most of the movies [TS]

00:18:20   I went to see when I was 45 years old we're pretty crappy and not very [TS]

00:18:24   interesting to a 36 year old man I remember the opening of Star Wars and [TS]

00:18:29   that opening shot of the Star Destroyer and it's just a mint screen so it really [TS]

00:18:34   looks big and it's really one of those things like one of the things the [TS]

00:18:38   original trilogy I think did so well as take advantage of cinema meaning that [TS]

00:18:44   when something looks big screen it is big right as opposed to like when you [TS]

00:18:50   see something that shot more like a TV show and it's just close ups and its [TS]

00:18:53   just seems somebody's face you too doesn't give you the sense of enormity [TS]

00:18:57   that the sense of a normally the Death Star Destroyer gives you in a theater I [TS]

00:19:03   remember my dad like turning to me and he was just like whoa like my dad was [TS]

00:19:07   blown away and I remember thinking that that was even as amazing as the movie is [TS]

00:19:11   a wholly cow my dad is blown away just seared in my memory [TS]

00:19:15   watching that I wish that my first exposure then you know maybe looking [TS]

00:19:20   back maybe the fact that the first time I saw it was on somebody's crappy CRT [TS]

00:19:25   television in the nineties the on VHS just makes it that much clearer to me [TS]

00:19:29   how good the story was how compelling those characters work I remember to [TS]

00:19:34   another died during the fire also remember the first time I saw Star Wars [TS]

00:19:39   on home video [TS]

00:19:41   it was my friend Joe's birthday must have been I don't know what year it [TS]

00:19:47   would have been probably around like eighty four five maybe around 11 or 12 [TS]

00:19:52   and yeah I think his post yet I think but it was it was a sleepover birthday [TS]

00:20:01   party with about a dozen of us and [TS]

00:20:04   Joe's dad is all caged in actually had this secret wait until after we had [TS]

00:20:10   pizza and this is before there were any legit home video versions they weren't [TS]

00:20:15   released yet [TS]

00:20:16   Joe's Joe's dad had a bootleg version of The Empire Strikes Back the best and we [TS]

00:20:26   completely honest and I knew Joe's dad was a lawyer and he was he was the dad [TS]

00:20:31   who drove his car if I could bunch of us are going to the mall and two dads [TS]

00:20:36   driving you want to go at Joe's dad because he drive here and it just seemed [TS]

00:20:43   too good to be true though I really thought that he was setting us up I [TS]

00:20:47   couldn't believe that was gonna get to watch Star Wars in the house I thought [TS]

00:20:50   he's he's sharing his he's going to put that in and it's going to be Mary [TS]

00:20:55   Poppins or something he put it in stores and it was there remember very [TS]

00:21:00   distinctively it was cuz it was a bootleg somehow what they did for the [TS]

00:21:06   aspect ratio was there wasn't pan and scan and it wasn't letter boxed was [TS]

00:21:11   squished optically yeah gross but it was still none of us had ever seen at the [TS]

00:21:18   word no legit versions of of any Star Wars movies out on the market at the [TS]

00:21:22   time and was funny it's just one of those things like you got used to hide [TS]

00:21:26   say within like 10 minutes just absolutely blown away during the late [TS]

00:21:35   nineties just after Napster did you did you get into the thing of downloading [TS]

00:21:39   movies at all no never I could never be bothered with that I did a little bit [TS]

00:21:45   but it always seemed like too much work and it was always so hard to find it and [TS]

00:21:50   then you had to like them all together to get into play on anything I had to [TS]

00:21:55   had to post processing you know all that shit done mountains script does it can [TS]

00:22:02   never get into it always seemed like too much work and I never ever ever ever [TS]

00:22:06   wanna watch a motion picture [TS]

00:22:08   computer when I was 18 years old why didn't the idea that I could see a movie [TS]

00:22:13   theaters was very compelling but the problem is that they would always be out [TS]

00:22:19   of sync halfway through the movie but there's no way to get the audio on the [TS]

00:22:22   video to line up the way you expect them to do this they have no idea technically [TS]

00:22:27   what caused that problem why anybody would find acceptable but I remember [TS]

00:22:31   watching a ton of movies where by the end of the audio is out of sync with the [TS]

00:22:34   video and the aspect ratio of course you could get used to the aspect ratio I [TS]

00:22:38   don't know that you can get used to the idea of the party of brain that gives a [TS]

00:22:44   shit movies if you want to see this movie done well you would have to see it [TS]

00:22:48   anyway I guess I wonder how many movies I thought were terrible actually pretty [TS]

00:22:53   good but not good question so what do you think of the Star Wars trailer well [TS]

00:22:59   or teaser we gotta talk about that later [TS]

00:23:02   yeah I didn't think anything of it I was surprised that I was mostly offline at [TS]

00:23:08   the time I was traveling so I heard that the trailer came out but i dont wanna [TS]

00:23:14   watch it on TV screens so I just put it off and wait until we got home and in [TS]

00:23:18   like a couple of days after Thanksgiving I watched I want to see it I want to see [TS]

00:23:22   it for the first time on the TV of course noticed the lightsaber but I [TS]

00:23:27   didn't think any of it because I thought that the prequel trilogy established [TS]

00:23:35   that there's some degree of individuality and design especially [TS]

00:23:40   among the set and I'm ok with that is weird curved thing that was fan Darth [TS]

00:23:47   Maul of course of his famous double and that was a scene when the when the [TS]

00:23:51   Phantom Menace trailer came out the very first trailer was a huge deal in this is [TS]

00:23:56   right around the time when video on the internet started being finally had [TS]

00:24:00   enough bandwidth to get video and they're they're like a million parodies [TS]

00:24:03   of the episode The Phantom Menace trailer like there's a South Park [TS]

00:24:06   version I remember pretty clearly everybody is doing its thing with the [TS]

00:24:09   trailer [TS]

00:24:10   before the days of YouTube and I remember that moment when you see Darth [TS]

00:24:16   Maul and the staff here some the red played comes out and you get excited and [TS]

00:24:21   then the other one comes out like you lose your mind for something like that [TS]

00:24:26   so why did I ever think of that but that's exactly like what I would have [TS]

00:24:30   drawn as a kid [TS]

00:24:31   this had kind of a similar effect where I'm watching the trailer and hear this [TS]

00:24:36   app has some the red played comes out as I don't know that the rain what's going [TS]

00:24:41   on like a broken light saber and you're like me this time to know that for a [TS]

00:24:45   second I'm excited I get chills and then these little tiny believes the side so [TS]

00:24:51   my reaction went from low to high just so you know I accepted I didn't you know [TS]

00:24:58   it's obviously a weird design I think if I were a Jedi or Sith I would not use a [TS]

00:25:03   lightsaber like that yourself you know I don't know why I feel like if you do if [TS]

00:25:09   you know the force the force will keep you from hurting himself with it but it [TS]

00:25:14   is it do what is it was it for its a crossing guard on the Internet at a [TS]

00:25:18   pretty good job of showing that that's a terrible designed if somebody's blade [TS]

00:25:22   slides down its gonna cut the metal part not the blade to cut right through it [TS]

00:25:26   yeah but maybe it yeah I don't know I guess it's supposed to be something like [TS]

00:25:31   a crosscourt maybe just maybe it's a guy thing that looks badass I don't know [TS]

00:25:36   I've always had the impression that you don't really need across garden light [TS]

00:25:39   sabers like you doing real swords because it seems to me like 12 Sabres [TS]

00:25:43   connect the kindest tech and there's no way to slide it really I've never gotten [TS]

00:25:49   that out of it but I don't like when they lock up and they make that two [TS]

00:25:54   Sabres locked up sound it doesn't seem like there's any kind of friction [TS]

00:25:56   between them for a long time watching the [TS]

00:26:00   obi-wan Vader fight at the end of New Hope I thought that leg will be played [TS]

00:26:04   with shorting out because the angle at which that scene was filmed his [TS]

00:26:08   lightsaber kind of tilts back and it looks like the blame shortens so I [TS]

00:26:13   thought for a long time that his blade was shorting out and that's where the [TS]

00:26:16   dramatic tension as he came from its funny I love that it's funny because the [TS]

00:26:23   Faber fights get ever more elaborate you know that the one hand the one in Star [TS]

00:26:28   Wars a new hope is is so pedestrian guys that's all goes well and it's an old guy [TS]

00:26:38   at David Prowse wasn't old at the time he was actually pretty much in the prime [TS]

00:26:42   of life but he had a helmet on the characters but that's not why it was [TS]

00:26:49   like that I think it was because I think partially Alec Guinness was was [TS]

00:26:53   physically a little a little limited as he was kind of all and I think David [TS]

00:26:59   Prosser famously couldn't see shit out of the Darth Vader helmet he just [TS]

00:27:02   couldn't see so there is likely no severe limitations as to what many [TS]

00:27:06   stuntman who is in there you know [TS]

00:27:08   could could could see and it was combined with I think the optical needs [TS]

00:27:12   of the way that they you know the way that they had the Sabres made so that [TS]

00:27:17   they were made out of the globe glowy stuff that they could easily rotoscope [TS]

00:27:20   the colors on ya you know and they just never done it before I mean it's still [TS]

00:27:26   see cuz it never been done before and it just looks so cool and you know maybe [TS]

00:27:31   somebody that had the idea of laser swords in pulp science fiction for a [TS]

00:27:36   hundred years over and over and over again but nobody had ever made one that [TS]

00:27:39   looked like it was really a real thing which is you know the awesome part about [TS]

00:27:44   lightsabers in them and you hope they looked real I was pretty it was pretty [TS]

00:27:50   weak let me say this before before we go on to I am super super anti spoiler I [TS]

00:27:57   I know nothing about this news episode seven other than the basics of you know [TS]

00:28:02   who's directing it [TS]

00:28:05   the cast that rough timeframe and that said I don't follow any of the rules I [TS]

00:28:09   don't know anything and I wanna watch the trailer I i trusted I might skip [TS]

00:28:17   subsequent trailers I trusted the fact that it wasn't immediately billed as a [TS]

00:28:23   teaser yeah yeah by calling it a teaser made me feel very safe about watching it [TS]

00:28:28   I get I don't like watching trailers for movies and it kind of comes down to the [TS]

00:28:34   Hunger Games when I went to see The Hunger Games is because my friends went [TS]

00:28:38   to go see a movie and that's what they picked I knew nothing about it other [TS]

00:28:40   than the poster had a girl with a bow and arrow like i didnt know I did it was [TS]

00:28:45   based on a book I went in that movie knowing nothing in knowing nothing I [TS]

00:28:48   enjoyed it and I i was kind of hung up on how much I enjoyed every moment of [TS]

00:28:54   them will be was a surprise to me and I realized that most of the time I watch a [TS]

00:28:58   trailer for something it's a movie that I want to see and if I want to see the [TS]

00:29:02   movie already know going into the trailer that I want to be I know now [TS]

00:29:06   they can just have my money today I'll pay for the ticket now there's no way [TS]

00:29:11   I'm not in the next hour so what does watching the trailer get me it can only [TS]

00:29:17   show me things that I would get to see you later and be surprised by the modern [TS]

00:29:21   era of trailer which is involved very very clearly in the form of how much can [TS]

00:29:30   we condense the entire plot of this movie right minus maybe like a just in [TS]

00:29:37   the ultimate plot twist at the end everything but if you're a movie person [TS]

00:29:43   than you even while you're watching a movie you start to figure things out and [TS]

00:29:48   if they give you enough plot points in the trailer your moviegoer story [TS]

00:29:52   follower mind is going to fill in those gaps and you you know what the story is [TS]

00:29:56   gonna be before it always surprises me too [TS]

00:30:00   and I'm not a big believer in like the three-act structure I don't think that [TS]

00:30:05   any you know I don't think most good films adhere to it in a very formal [TS]

00:30:10   sense I just think it's the basic sense that you know you know you won't have a [TS]

00:30:14   beginning middle and end but in loose terms it always surprises me in a [TS]

00:30:20   trailer that has my attention and hey this looks like a good movie file this [TS]

00:30:24   way to make a Vesper you know note make an investor to you know movies to watch [TS]

00:30:29   list once the trailer gets to that part where I'm into it I this is a movie I'm [TS]

00:30:36   making a note now because when it comes out and want to see it and then it keeps [TS]

00:30:40   going to have already been there and it keeps going and they are clearly going [TS]

00:30:44   into a kto right there clearly going into the middle of movie are you showing [TS]

00:30:49   me this I don't want you already had me why are you doing this they say [TS]

00:30:54   something let me just experienced this and I do think to them as somebody who [TS]

00:30:58   has a a rudimentary you know dilettante interest in making these films in [TS]

00:31:06   college and I dunno with video now and think about it I understand you know how [TS]

00:31:12   fun it can be to edit video but how hard it is to edit video the way that that [TS]

00:31:19   trailer editors can condense to our motion picture into ninety seconds that [TS]

00:31:26   boils almost all of it is incredible [TS]

00:31:30   artistically as the craft of editing cinema how how how how they can but it's [TS]

00:31:36   the effective it is so it's just so disappointing [TS]

00:31:42   percent Hunger Games this established this rule every time I break it every [TS]

00:31:47   time I watch a trailer I regret it [TS]

00:31:49   the most recent example is i watch the reduc- million ways to die in the west [TS]

00:31:53   now that's what's his name [TS]

00:31:55   yes I haven't seen it it might have been but if you've seen the trailer you've [TS]

00:32:01   seen the movie you know what I have seen the trailer and I know that's every [TS]

00:32:06   funny thing that happens that movie is in the trailer now that's a good example [TS]

00:32:10   of a movie that I probably would have put on my to to watch list but didn't [TS]

00:32:15   because I felt like the trailer spoiled I got on the end I was I was having his [TS]

00:32:19   family guy there's a show like it or hate it it's pretty dense with jokes [TS]

00:32:23   aside I went in thinking well be added put himself in the trailer but there's [TS]

00:32:26   gonna be a lot of stuff no those are all the jokes and into the Pooh it would [TS]

00:32:32   indeed when the things happened that happened in the trailer in people in the [TS]

00:32:35   theater laughing I'm kind of wondering why did you not see the trailer was [TS]

00:32:40   still funny to you I remember very specifically there is a movie and I [TS]

00:32:45   don't know why it was a movie with Robert DeNiro and he was a bounty hunter [TS]

00:32:55   going after charles grodin it was in the eighties movie I mean look it up to your [TS]

00:33:01   own charles grodin no idea what that would be [TS]

00:33:04   Midnight Run 1988 now for whatever reason I saw now that was when I was in [TS]

00:33:11   junior high high school I was going to movies every week that was just what we [TS]

00:33:15   did [TS]

00:33:15   teenagers we went to movie so I some times and I was a peak theater watching [TS]

00:33:21   movies [TS]

00:33:22   life for me I saw the trailer for that movie like a dozen times and charles [TS]

00:33:28   grodin is like a guy with a bunch of phobias and bounty hunter who's paid to [TS]

00:33:35   bring them in cuz he's got a bailout standing so I do remember this so it's [TS]

00:33:39   like a buddy you know it's like a mismatch in the troops categorias [TS]

00:33:44   deniro's a tough guy and grounds the opposite and he's got all these things [TS]

00:33:48   and he says like you know [TS]

00:33:51   there's Line Road transparent system I got a grab for agoraphobia [TS]

00:33:55   you know something else phobia claustrophobia and two nurses if you [TS]

00:33:59   don't shut up you gonna have Vista phobia and it was in the trailer every [TS]

00:34:05   all this and then we went to see the movie and he gives the line in the movie [TS]

00:34:08   and it's everybody in the theater laughed and I remember thinking laughing [TS]

00:34:13   surely you've seen this cuz it's in all the trailers it was in the commercials [TS]

00:34:16   it was like the signature spoiled joke in the movie but yet for some reason [TS]

00:34:20   theaters to left [TS]

00:34:22   get it that's just something I think I was too cynical at times a teenager I [TS]

00:34:27   think it's the way that crowd people pay the movie people want the movie to be [TS]

00:34:32   good cuz they took two hours of their lives to see it and they spent the money [TS]

00:34:35   to get the ticket they enter you know in a community you know a group like they [TS]

00:34:40   wouldn't laugh if they were watching it at home if it was well but you'd watch [TS]

00:34:44   when you're in the theater but that's the difference yet and that even a [TS]

00:34:47   really funny movie I'm watching it by myself at home I rarely laugh out loud [TS]

00:34:51   right it's it laughter is laughter Adam comedy movie is it is a good group thing [TS]

00:34:57   did you see somebody was just so many maybes you post a link to the original [TS]

00:35:02   trailer for the new hope and rewatching that after watching the episode 7 [TS]

00:35:09   trailer was a real really interesting juxtaposition in the editing styles [TS]

00:35:15   because then back in the seventies it was things like Luke Skywalker and he [TS]

00:35:20   liked about the character and the talks bad and then they're gonna have these [TS]

00:35:23   crazy adventures they do these things may encounter these villains and you get [TS]

00:35:27   excited about the type of story more than any specific thing that's gonna [TS]

00:35:31   happen to give anything away at least in the in the dialogue but if you watch the [TS]

00:35:36   video this going by if you've seen that movie that they can give everything away [TS]

00:35:41   but you don't know that I think I think I know which version of the trailer [TS]

00:35:45   talking I think it was one and they didn't even have the the music is that [TS]

00:35:48   the one yeah yeah yeah they didn't even have the music and so there's this weird [TS]

00:35:52   to see if we can get a copy of that for sure but there's a weird [TS]

00:35:56   it's like you know in your mind that without the John Williams music star [TS]

00:36:01   wars wouldn't quite be star wars that it is essential [TS]

00:36:04   maybe even more essential than any you know any cast member more than the logo [TS]

00:36:10   you know it's it's that essential to the fabric of what it feels like to be a [TS]

00:36:14   Star Wars movie you know that you know you don't even have to think too much [TS]

00:36:18   about like the role that musical scoring complain cinema but then to see a [TS]

00:36:23   trailer where there is no actual john Lynch Star Wars music just think man [TS]

00:36:28   this is just this is like a Saltine without salt this just isn't right wrist [TS]

00:36:34   at that opening note just how one is enough to get you excited [TS]

00:36:40   no clear example than in the new teaser when you hear the the score swell up you [TS]

00:36:46   get chills I did Gaza real like I could feel like I got butterflies i got really [TS]

00:36:51   really excited [TS]

00:36:52   everything that everything I need to tell me that this movie The Star Wars [TS]

00:36:56   movie is right there on the screen [TS]

00:36:59   give me give me the Millennium Falcon and John Williams scored even the first [TS]

00:37:02   note of the John Williams score and I met you get my money so kudos to change [TS]

00:37:07   rooms into to Disney and everybody else that they made it completely completely [TS]

00:37:12   spoiler-free but as spoiler-free as anything could be a true team well we [TS]

00:37:17   were with us on Twitter the the question of the storm trooper and whether or not [TS]

00:37:20   he's really a storage room there's a lot of room for speculation so much room for [TS]

00:37:23   speculation that the speculation it's purely fun I don't feel like we can I [TS]

00:37:29   don't feel like seeing that guy in a storm trooper outfit ruins anything I [TS]

00:37:31   don't know who he is I don't know why he's a trooper receive a guy who's [TS]

00:37:35   disguises from bright right and so we end up having a conversation like we did [TS]

00:37:40   on her about what does this mean and what could but there's no way we can [TS]

00:37:44   there's no way any of that discussion would ruin anything I like how this [TS]

00:37:47   episode is turning into the Star Wars special episode of the talk show let's [TS]

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00:38:22   Jim ray is by far and away the best friend Jim Jim ray always looks like [TS]

00:38:31   he's just stepped out of it got them he is well groomed he is well tailored he [TS]

00:38:36   stylish I always feel like a slob matter how old address Jim ray told me and this [TS]

00:38:43   is great day he heard the show and he heard me say that need is a lifestyle [TS]

00:38:48   and it made him his eyes were all even though he clearly reads things like that [TS]

00:38:52   but he checked him out anyway and then he said to me know they're like the [TS]

00:38:57   lifestyle magazine for men to roll their eyes at the words lifestyle and I was [TS]

00:39:03   like you mentioned him because I was I went to look at the website earlier and [TS]

00:39:07   I stopped him at Alexander the guy who runs it I went to website to check it [TS]

00:39:10   out and my first thought was this this looks like what Jim ray would do its I [TS]

00:39:18   love Jim subscription it's the lifestyle magazine for men who don't like [TS]

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00:39:39   curated meaning there's you don't go there after pick between forty different [TS]

00:39:44   styles of pants they go they have like three like a pair of jeans pair of [TS]

00:39:48   khakis and something else and that's it and she like one of those three you pick [TS]

00:39:54   your size and you buy it and if you don't wait to the next edition and maybe [TS]

00:39:58   that had something else daily but that way if you're not sitting there making [TS]

00:40:00   choices they've made these choices for you if you see something you like you [TS]

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00:43:53   and click on something I have to do is your size and you can look at it I have [TS]

00:43:58   always thought I've said this before in many different contexts but is a general [TS]

00:44:02   rule of thumb you seldom go wrong by thinking that the most interesting of [TS]

00:44:07   anything [TS]

00:44:07   is at the extremes the very biggest the very smallest the most complicated the [TS]

00:44:15   most simple right [TS]

00:44:17   those are the areas were to me anything whether it's something you're buying a [TS]

00:44:21   device or whatever is just the most interesting and I would say like need is [TS]

00:44:26   almost like the antithesis of Amazon Amazon and it's like everything store [TS]

00:44:31   right it's and it's not only does Amazon sell everything they have these [TS]

00:44:36   partnerships with all these other things you search for something and you get [TS]

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00:45:17   alright Star Wars trailer we dissected I say I'm gonna save everything else about [TS]

00:45:24   star wars for future episode we could we can dissect the trailer I think the [TS]

00:45:30   narrator's I know the anger that ok there's speculation as Benedict [TS]

00:45:39   Cumberbatch which was I can hear it but be a bit weird choice and that's [TS]

00:45:45   conscious of it as me too I presume it feels to me cinematically like the [TS]

00:45:50   narrator of the film teaser is this course it's like I we see with the red [TS]

00:45:58   lightsaber [TS]

00:45:59   I read it as like some sage like character but I guess there's a there's [TS]

00:46:07   a pair of darkness our ability to the boys yeah he sounds a little bit like [TS]

00:46:12   Darth Maul Jonas things though Joyce watch it with me he thinks that the [TS]

00:46:17   character with the red lightsaber is a woman [TS]

00:46:19   he thinks it which I would be interesting I think he's thrown off [TS]

00:46:25   though by this sort of guilt like thing that the guys wearing because that's [TS]

00:46:31   pretty to be mean even Darth Vader kind of gal but Jonas but he did but as Cape [TS]

00:46:36   usually hides yeah I don't read it as a woman but I think it's interesting [TS]

00:46:42   because the the way the figure the posture of the figure sort of masks [TS]

00:46:47   gender like if if they were just standing up straight you can kind of [TS]

00:46:51   read it [TS]

00:46:52   yeah I you know it could just be honest I after he said that to me i re-watched [TS]

00:46:57   watched the dozen times I did we watch it and after he at first I thought no [TS]

00:47:01   way and i re-watched it and it does seem possible and it does it makes me realize [TS]

00:47:06   it even as open minded as I try to be I have ordered you know the old dad who [TS]

00:47:12   just assumes if you have a red lightsaber man even i've seen the Clone [TS]

00:47:17   Wars thing with our side vent reason you know but Jonas much more that you know [TS]

00:47:24   he was much more open to the idea that their character could be nice to see [TS]

00:47:28   this being more inclusive do you think in this do you think that the lightsaber [TS]

00:47:35   might have something to do with that mean if that's the case i mean the the [TS]

00:47:39   weird Cross card thing but like the weird kind of almost flame looking blade [TS]

00:47:44   rather than just the solid yeah there's john there's an article print shown to [TS]

00:47:48   have it written down John Brownlee in fast company companies design blog has [TS]

00:47:53   it in defense of the new Star Wars lightsaber and his argument is that each [TS]

00:48:01   jedis at least the major characters you know like some of the scenes in the [TS]

00:48:06   prequel trilogy where they had like a hundred Jedi runner [TS]

00:48:09   you know and you know they were just copy and paste jobs you get blue but [TS]

00:48:15   every only had a year and a half to make this move but the major characters all [TS]

00:48:18   had a lightsaber that said something about their character and I think that's [TS]

00:48:22   true you know and you know he says I'll be ones lightsaber is just plain and [TS]

00:48:28   he's simple and elegant it is exactly what he said [TS]

00:48:31   from a more civilized time even in the original Darth Vader's lightsaber had a [TS]

00:48:38   black more black than crewmen and just looked a little bit more into the time [TS]

00:48:43   he was the only one with a red lightsaber right which looks just at [TS]

00:48:48   least to my eyes you know maybe it's the same trend it but it just seems more [TS]

00:48:52   natural that the bad guys would have red bright red the color of yeah we didn't [TS]

00:48:57   see green until Return of the Jedi and then I guess the only reason we saw [TS]

00:49:00   green is because it showed up better against the blue sky yeahhh yeahhh know [TS]

00:49:06   that was actually yeah that's the exact story that they were they did yesterday [TS]

00:49:10   at the time they start blues good guys are blue eyes are red and then they went [TS]

00:49:16   to do it in they never do [TS]

00:49:17   done one outside before and they were like wow this doesn't look good works [TS]

00:49:26   and then even episode 1 we still only see red green blue was until episode 2 [TS]

00:49:31   that we start to see other colors and I think the the first non red green blue [TS]

00:49:36   we saw was made Windows the purple the story goes that Samuel Jackson [TS]

00:49:42   specifically requested purple yeah I've heard that's why I heard that then that [TS]

00:49:46   Lucas said no no no and then like a day later lucas came back and I thought [TS]

00:49:51   about it sure what do you think is going to lose his head but what do you think [TS]

00:49:56   is thought processes like some canonical here's how the gems inside the thing [TS]

00:50:01   work or we're just trying to hold steadfast who some ideology has been [TS]

00:50:08   changing I don't somehow it worked there for me like it's one of the things [TS]

00:50:13   little things that worked for me in the prequel trilogy where it is it's somehow [TS]

00:50:18   in a world where we went from original trilogy where there were only three Jedi [TS]

00:50:24   four if you count meter right now but there was a bit was the scene at the end [TS]

00:50:29   of clones were you get you know thousand Jedi on the screen at the same time [TS]

00:50:34   right how do you how do you more visually established it means when do is [TS]

00:50:37   above all of these guys that he's you know he's in a trilogy filled with some [TS]

00:50:44   points in some scenes hundreds of Jedi how do you have how do you stand with [TS]

00:50:48   that this guy is a cut above to cut tuba well not just that but the if I'm Lucas [TS]

00:50:54   I go home and I think to myself what got to the scene with a thousand Jenna wants [TS]

00:50:59   and if all you see is you can see in the movie yes I well not just that but you [TS]

00:51:07   could realize well if you give people like yellow and pink and other shit I [TS]

00:51:11   should just give him the proposed so the sky Fast Company Brownlee he his theory [TS]

00:51:17   is that because at the end of Return of the Jedi the only to sit left the [TS]

00:51:24   Emperor and later killed that anybody who ever this guy is if it is a set to [TS]

00:51:29   restart the city didn't have a master to teach him how to make a lightsaber right [TS]

00:51:33   and so he had to do it on his own and that's why it crackles and sizzles and [TS]

00:51:37   seems a little bit less little bit in a little bit less technically well put [TS]

00:51:41   together another assumption [TS]

00:51:46   well she I don't know what to say there but this Kara no not not to you but here [TS]

00:51:54   too just like the idea that even this guy I think that that would be a really [TS]

00:51:59   interesting switch to play against expectations but in my mind story wise I [TS]

00:52:06   would have assumed that whoever the news would have been like a student of luke's [TS]

00:52:10   or something [TS]

00:52:11   has gone to the dark side rather than somebody just like woke up one day [TS]

00:52:16   although you know if if if the good guys can show up as ghosts and help guide [TS]

00:52:22   other good guys will be 12 did with loop maybe there's something to the Emperor [TS]

00:52:29   was able to do the same thing to restart well and the other thing too that the [TS]

00:52:35   whole thing with there's only two at a time and it was clearly already broken [TS]

00:52:41   Addison call themselves like they are there already [TS]

00:52:43   video game again what's cannon and what's not anymore it's up to today but [TS]

00:52:48   there is the one I think it's actually called was on a call that the secret [TS]

00:52:50   apprentice Vader had a secret apprentice [TS]

00:52:53   force unleashed right so he had practice and you know even if you say the video [TS]

00:53:00   game isn't canon I think the clone or show is and you know there was a side of [TS]

00:53:05   interests who was like a secret apprentice to do ku so there were you [TS]

00:53:11   know there's there's a established idea that there are six like force users who [TS]

00:53:19   are trained by the city just called set and use red light sabers and you know I [TS]

00:53:25   could I would say that is where we get the the old ways to think it's from that [TS]

00:53:30   line of dialogue bermuda grass is always do there are and I think that that the [TS]

00:53:36   more forgiving reading of that line would be that what he meant was there's [TS]

00:53:42   always get anymore if if we see one there's got to be another master print [TS]

00:53:47   is not that there are only two exactly two but there are always at least two [TS]

00:53:51   they're always come in pairs right we've we've seen this one dude there's going [TS]

00:53:56   to be another dude we don't know if this is the master of the apprentice but [TS]

00:53:58   there's going to be somewhere out there there's another dude you said such a [TS]

00:54:04   stupid rule that if they if there if they're going to overthrow the Jedi [TS]

00:54:08   Order where there's hundreds of them all right we're going to overthrow these [TS]

00:54:10   guys and we're only have to do you think like somewhere along the way as their [TS]

00:54:15   passing down the stories [TS]

00:54:17   but one of the guys when his findings to apprentice maybe just leave out the part [TS]

00:54:20   where everybody before you including you has killed their master just leave that [TS]

00:54:25   out of the history so that you don't plant that idea is to me I feel like you [TS]

00:54:31   know what fuck it I'm not training apprentice I just be the last month a [TS]

00:54:35   live forever be great I think it's cuz I think the idea there was that they [TS]

00:54:39   always you know that each one of them is so arrogant and so confident in their [TS]

00:54:43   dominance over there is that they're they're not they always think that this [TS]

00:54:47   can happen to me but when you're like the 301 you know from history that [TS]

00:54:52   that's always going the other direction that's not a reasonable thing to think [TS]

00:54:55   anymore right it's like I know you and I trust you but if I knew that if I knew [TS]

00:55:02   that the last thirty people who who hired you i designer [TS]

00:55:08   to work with them got killed it really I'm pretty sure that your I i trust you [TS]

00:55:14   you seem like non psychopathy see my girlfriend but I probably wouldn't I [TS]

00:55:18   power decided not to hire you right but there would be a good choice [TS]

00:55:24   hard to go wrong they do think in in Lake City orientation [TS]

00:55:31   ok well here's here's the story of how literally everyone before you have [TS]

00:55:36   killed their master including me but don't do that please [TS]

00:55:46   what else happens in the trailer we see some storm troopers [TS]

00:55:51   the new storm troopers knots I think notable that says a lot about the movie [TS]

00:55:56   in the the time period and the attitude of the movie that we see stormtroopers [TS]

00:56:01   we're at some point in the last 30 years in a galaxy far far away not only is the [TS]

00:56:07   Empire still going they've hired some industrial designers to come in and do [TS]

00:56:13   some shit yeah it seems like a slightly tweaked [TS]

00:56:19   it's not it's not a huge departure like they feel like storm troopers in the [TS]

00:56:22   same way that the clone troopers kind of feel like storm troopers but more just [TS]

00:56:27   on the other side of it like there hasn't been even though it's been a [TS]

00:56:30   longer period of time it seems like there's been less advancement which is [TS]

00:56:34   what you expect from an empire that's just lost their temper but they're still [TS]

00:56:39   you know they're still designers working out custom details and chips and stuff [TS]

00:56:42   but notably the TIE fighters we see [TS]

00:56:45   typewriters Thai fighters the explains we see it looks pretty much like x-rays [TS]

00:56:51   but with a little bit of advancement and so in the same way of the original [TS]

00:56:56   trilogy the universe felt lived in like everything had Carmen scoring on [TS]

00:57:00   everything was a broken all the shitty it kinda seems like we're on an upswing [TS]

00:57:04   like the economy is getting better but it hasn't turned around so much like [TS]

00:57:10   there's been a long period where things still kinda sucked and there wasn't a [TS]

00:57:13   lot of technological advancement which is what I would expect to have happen [TS]

00:57:15   then it feels authentic might might read just based on the teaser is that the the [TS]

00:57:23   the tremendous victory of both blowing up a second Death Star and killing them [TS]

00:57:30   for invader and lead you leaving the entire you know which presumably the [TS]

00:57:35   entire you know leadership structure of the empire was you know based on the [TS]

00:57:41   Emperor's extraordinary you know abilities [TS]

00:57:46   has crippled the empire but Mike didn't defeat them they were still tired vast [TS]

00:57:52   Imperial Army their military remain loyal to the cause of the empire and [TS]

00:57:57   that the rebel is that the rebellion is still the US still the scrappy upstart [TS]

00:58:03   planets that are fighting against him so like it may be like knock them knocked [TS]

00:58:07   it down to the day ron even terms and it's been like a thirty year war of [TS]

00:58:11   attrition that's interesting that's my read from the Yeah Yeah I could get that [TS]

00:58:17   and maybe not necessarily at the umpires got their back up against the wall but [TS]

00:58:22   more that they had to decentralize leadership or something or maybe [TS]

00:58:26   somebody stepped in and there's a and lost so many resources that there are no [TS]

00:58:30   longer there are no longer advancing at the extreme pace that they were we last [TS]

00:58:36   saw them right like when we last saw them they went in just 20 years from the [TS]

00:58:41   prequel trilogy to the to the original trilogy they went from those Republic [TS]

00:58:49   starships we saw in the Clone Wars to the star destroyers and Tie Fighters [TS]

00:58:53   that we see lots of technical advancement in their starship design and [TS]

00:58:59   armor design in 20 years but now in 30 years they've made very little progress [TS]

00:59:03   at all and the rebellion hasn't really either because they're still that's [TS]

00:59:10   right but they still had time to redesign the storm two breakfasts not [TS]

00:59:14   really redesign I would say it was more like 10 1.1 releases in there could have [TS]

00:59:23   been like some kind of necessity there just ran out of that armor I'm a little [TS]

00:59:28   surprised that the TIE fighters look exactly the same thing because I I [TS]

00:59:31   always thought as a kid [TS]

00:59:33   based on Return of the Jedi like when the Thai interceptors came out which [TS]

00:59:37   were much more like [TS]

00:59:39   like Vader's prototype from 1977 with advanced yeah with the [TS]

00:59:47   the curved wings like the three-panel almost like octagonal we have the [TS]

00:59:54   bombers had that too I thought that the Thai interceptors were like the new [TS]

00:59:57   models that were coming in but who knows what they're taking the the economics of [TS]

01:00:03   video games where in the games the x-wing fighter games the the TIE fighter [TS]

01:00:13   has no shields and just kinda sucks but I interceptor has shields and I that one [TS]

01:00:21   or the advanced one of them can even go too late and it just seemed to me that [TS]

01:00:26   will just stop using the TIE fighters say they have no shields but you just [TS]

01:00:31   sending people to their deaths of those things and they were they were they went [TS]

01:00:35   for a quantity over quality would rather have a hundred Thai fighters then ten [TS]

01:00:41   you know explains why it's clearly the mark of a military that doesn't feel [TS]

01:00:45   like it has much in the way of opposition the TIE fighters were there [TS]

01:00:49   to show off how many they had to be an imposing presence and that they were not [TS]

01:00:55   designed for real bad right now I didn't really even values troops yeah because [TS]

01:01:00   everybody was the Empire so we'll just replacing maybe even at the time maybe [TS]

01:01:04   they were still using some of the stuff I thought the other one of the other [TS]

01:01:07   interesting things in the teaser is that none of the shots of the ships are in [TS]

01:01:12   space that when you see the explains their flying really low almost writer [TS]

01:01:17   write a few feet above the water surface somebody water and when we see the [TS]

01:01:22   Falcon and the typewriters coming out it's right above it [TS]

01:01:27   just say you're right so we've got a teaser for a movie called star wars that [TS]

01:01:32   doesn't show a single star right I don't think it did well maybe there's at the [TS]

01:01:36   end when the crew and the credit comes up it shows a starfield when the logo [TS]

01:01:39   comes up and we don't see any footage of space here on CNN we don't see any big [TS]

01:01:46   space cruisers we don't see any Star Destroyers or whatever the republicans [TS]

01:01:50   well I hope nothing happened to space by the idea that they didn't show any of [TS]

01:01:56   the that the only face they show is the the new character the black guy in the [TS]

01:02:01   structure profit what's the actor's name I forget his hadn't heard of before [TS]

01:02:06   British dude I think it's it's I want to believe I sincerely want to believe that [TS]

01:02:14   everything about this teaser was a well thought-out decision john breaux llega [TS]

01:02:21   yeah I want to believe that everything we were shown we were shown for a reason [TS]

01:02:26   to believe that not only were we not shown [TS]

01:02:29   well know the interface we see is that the girl riding on ya who just looking [TS]

01:02:37   at her she's got like a real Natalie Portman Carrie Fisher kind of look yeah [TS]

01:02:42   it so it wouldn't be a big job I think most people are assuming that she must [TS]

01:02:46   be like home to me is kid but the characters we see the faces we do see [TS]

01:02:52   the new characters these are people we have no idea who they are [TS]

01:02:57   this isn't there some forward this isn't mark hamill it says to me that they they [TS]

01:03:03   want our expectation going into be that we're going to be exposed to new things [TS]

01:03:08   not just fanservice rehashing of old stuff yeah that said it ends with the [TS]

01:03:16   shot of the Millennium Falcon right as we hear the John Williams fanfare swell [TS]

01:03:21   up so again if you show us the shows the things that are gonna get us interested [TS]

01:03:28   in give us a sense of what we should expect from the movie which i think is [TS]

01:03:31   going to be this is a familiar world but we're gonna be meeting new people were [TS]

01:03:35   going to be taking things beyond [TS]

01:03:36   what you are and then ending on a note of literally on a note of here's what we [TS]

01:03:43   know you came in hoping my favorite members this remember this is where the [TS]

01:03:52   original that when did the special editions 1997 I remember when the [TS]

01:04:01   trailer for that care teacher came out for that it was really good teacher was [TS]

01:04:07   in the theater and it was like it showed a TV and you know for a generation kids [TS]

01:04:13   you know people have only seen ya was trilogy on TV set and then blew up the [TS]

01:04:21   TV set by like blew it up resistance really cheesy when you discover that [TS]

01:04:29   matter but no but like somebody at like you know I did it right [TS]

01:04:35   conceptual hated the idea of a time blowing up a TV just sounds done that [TS]

01:04:40   ever get past the first pitch sounds like something that you would do like in [TS]

01:04:44   the terry Gilliam's to help from you know who would just be silly but it's a [TS]

01:04:49   giant foot switches it somehow caused it was just like we're not gonna show you [TS]

01:04:53   any of it yet we're just going to let you know on a bigger screen which is [TS]

01:04:57   really all you need to know [TS]

01:04:59   even even for what it was we can save there's a lot that can be said about the [TS]

01:05:05   special editions de the idea of the things were put in the in the movie to [TS]

01:05:12   make it better to enhance it for it to make it feel more modern to clean it up [TS]

01:05:16   that was exciting but the execution was terrible but the idea was really that [TS]

01:05:23   you get like a really crisp clean print and they cleaned up in the Black Sea [TS]

01:05:26   blacker and the lines of the cleaner that sounded great if that meant that we [TS]

01:05:31   had to sit through a couple of extra due back soon [TS]

01:05:33   the tattooing stronger person than fine whatever sometime ok I i want to get [TS]

01:05:38   into it but it might my basic I didn't have any kind of purity you know exactly [TS]

01:05:45   like what you saw in 1977 hurts doesn't count I wasn't opposed to any minor [TS]

01:05:50   tweaks but some of them are just so stupid I mean high schoolers range if [TS]

01:05:54   you get rid of that awful job as seen in years anytime anytime you digitally move [TS]

01:06:00   on solo anytime here some four dozen screen and they did you alter anything [TS]

01:06:05   take those out and put them back to where they were and the rest of it I'm [TS]

01:06:07   fine with it should have been all it should have been limited to things that [TS]

01:06:10   only true obsessions obsessives would even notice that you don't have to sit [TS]

01:06:14   side-by-side to notice there was only one new backpack and now there's a [TS]

01:06:18   couple but the the the the the monster the big animal thing on both sides Lee [TS]

01:06:26   the job falls off [TS]

01:06:28   yeah I given that was kind of okay they didn't it didn't take a movie was kinda [TS]

01:06:32   silly but it didn't I remember that I remember liking some like I thought like [TS]

01:06:36   the way that they spruced up Cloud City batsman in Empire Strikes Back where [TS]

01:06:41   there is more stuff going on outside the windows ya feel more alive not like I'm [TS]

01:06:46   at yeah and it is in hindsight the lack of anything outside the windows in the [TS]

01:06:51   original felt a little cheap I don't know but yeah yeah like they felt like I [TS]

01:06:57   said right but you know i i dont I still think I think given the job of falling [TS]

01:07:01   off the anything that's like a gag is too much you know he didn't need it but [TS]

01:07:05   anyway that's it was a good [TS]

01:07:08   the best thing about the special editions those that it let us know that [TS]

01:07:12   George Lucas had lost his mind and it set expectations for the new trilogy [TS]

01:07:16   accordingly [TS]

01:07:18   do you really think it did because I know still managed to be disciplined I [TS]

01:07:22   think the reaction to Phantom Menace would have been even more heartbreaking [TS]

01:07:26   people jumping on buildings if it if it had come out it dropped out of the blue [TS]

01:07:30   without the special editions like the Special Editions if the special editions [TS]

01:07:34   didn't make everybody's like there is a disturbance in the force [TS]

01:07:40   I remember of wind Phantom Menace came out opening day on Wednesday and I [TS]

01:07:45   walked out on me and my friends and everybody else that I could hear talking [TS]

01:07:49   outside the theater everybody was really excited everybody enjoyed it [TS]

01:07:52   yeah I did too he said this before they're not terrible they're only [TS]

01:07:57   they're only significantly worse compared to the original trilogy and I [TS]

01:08:02   see I see lots and lots of action movies you know the type of movies were there [TS]

01:08:06   are things like laser guns and chase scenes and superhero powers and stuff [TS]

01:08:11   like that and the prequel trilogy is way better than almost all of them that's [TS]

01:08:16   way better than typical stuff that I C you know I was gonna go the other [TS]

01:08:21   direction now I was gonna say that it wasn't that was a good movie or even [TS]

01:08:25   necessarily a possible movie I think that its people went into the theater so [TS]

01:08:31   fully prepared to be excited that they could not emotionally handle the movie [TS]

01:08:39   they actually saw they had to walk out feeling good about it and it wasn't [TS]

01:08:42   until maybe the next morning when we all woke up and we got in the shower and we [TS]

01:08:47   get out quite feel clean that it starts to don honestok that was a really [TS]

01:08:51   terrible thing that happened now I remember thinking as I watched I didn't [TS]

01:08:55   come out it was the parts of their worst that were worst or so obviously bad [TS]

01:09:02   right away you don't think it's a bad movie I don't I think it's no its owners [TS]

01:09:10   are in trade negotiations but they don't spend too much time I remember thinking [TS]

01:09:15   that I'm going on on this I still don't really know what happened in them [TS]

01:09:19   and i also think that it suffered you know from some fundamental big picture [TS]

01:09:25   problems like establishing which sides of good guys with sides the bad guys you [TS]

01:09:29   know they like that awesome incredible clarity the way that the empire was [TS]

01:09:34   almost Nazi like deliberately helmet design for major comes from you know one [TS]

01:09:42   of the inspirations Nazi helmet the lack of clarity that whole trilogy suffers [TS]

01:09:50   from that you know and it's all based on the stupid cockamamie idea that the [TS]

01:09:54   Emperor was more or less [TS]

01:09:56   trumped up the whole war on false charges in there was no good guys or bad [TS]

01:10:00   guys and it just makes the movie less enjoyable as as Popcorn Hour I give you [TS]

01:10:04   gonna make a popcorn movie wanna have crisply clearly-defined good guys bad [TS]

01:10:09   guys not any kind of ambiguity in that they should use knows it right and it's [TS]

01:10:15   you know who's fighting with the Droid you know and every time we meet somebody [TS]

01:10:20   interesting they almost immediately died saving Darth Maul we begin to me that [TS]

01:10:27   guy we're excited and then it's good I kinda died I had a feeling he was [TS]

01:10:32   talking tough [TS]

01:10:36   made it feel like there is something that yeah but where we see the trailer [TS]

01:10:40   and raw super excited by Darth Maul and then he he's barely in the movie monies [TS]

01:10:44   in the movie he's awesome in the need of the best movies quite gone 2012 limited [TS]

01:10:49   part of our hero the only thing that we can even remotely attached to [TS]

01:10:54   emotionally he does but the send it to me the thing that stuck out the most [TS]

01:10:57   about that movie originally and instantly the first you know I saw it on [TS]

01:11:04   opening day two was the whole opening the can of worms with this mid [TS]

01:11:07   accordions oh yeah right and its to meet the thing with the medical science is it [TS]

01:11:14   really made the movie would only make sense if you found out that you know [TS]

01:11:19   like to some kid the way that the contracts for written for the movies [TS]

01:11:22   that twentieth Century Fox held the rights to make prequels and George Lucas [TS]

01:11:27   wanted nothing to do with it but he didn't have their he didn't have the [TS]

01:11:30   legal ability to do [TS]

01:11:31   to twentieth Century Fox went ahead and made this prequel trilogy without George [TS]

01:11:37   Lucas's you know approval or inside our input and they handed it to a bunch of [TS]

01:11:43   people who had no idea what it didn't really understand what made the original [TS]

01:11:46   original trilogy what it was right so they've gotta drop Lake the Emperor from [TS]

01:11:52   a helicopter inspector right what made the original trilogy so great was that [TS]

01:11:56   it explained so little and was built you know it felt like you're seeing a [TS]

01:12:01   two-hour snippet of something that could have been eighty hours and they never [TS]

01:12:04   told you your fathers fought the Clone Wars never told you it was just sounds [TS]

01:12:09   like a cool name for a science fictional or write your father fun the Clone Wars [TS]

01:12:12   they don't leave it does no explanation for it that's all they say and it's the [TS]

01:12:16   best explanation it just sounds like it fills out the world that makes the world [TS]

01:12:21   seems so much bigger there's a real history in this world right and then the [TS]

01:12:25   new one is just chillin in explaining all the mysteries from the first trilogy [TS]

01:12:31   and creating no new mysteries of its own [TS]

01:12:36   like no big if it had been done successfully in a way that people wanted [TS]

01:12:42   a prequel trilogy when people heard that the new Star Wars trilogy was going to [TS]

01:12:45   be a prequel rather than a sequel and it was gonna go back in time rather than [TS]

01:12:49   forward it sounded exciting right everybody was in favor of the general [TS]

01:12:52   idea because the first trilogy it opened up all these mysteries that everybody [TS]

01:12:55   wanted answered or at least that they thought they wanted answered the only [TS]

01:12:59   way the prequel trilogy would have worked was if the prequel trilogy had [TS]

01:13:03   itself left left it open that Wow I'd like to go back another 30 years time [TS]

01:13:09   and see what happened then there should have been just as many mysteries about [TS]

01:13:14   what had led up to the prequel trilogy as it was in the original trilogy yeah [TS]

01:13:19   right now in my mind the chronology of the Star Wars universe is all the stuff [TS]

01:13:23   that happened in the original trilogy and then all the stuff that happened the [TS]

01:13:27   prequel trilogy and before that was like I dunno 10,000 years ago with the [TS]

01:13:31   general climbed [TS]

01:13:32   maybe there's some stuff that happened then [TS]

01:13:34   and instead we got like an explanation for the force that makes it sound as [TS]

01:13:38   though if you give a Jedi a blood transfusion did lose his powers [TS]

01:13:42   hey right now there's a thing you could physically take away from somebody they [TS]

01:13:50   have like a device that you could likes the kids hand it comes up with a number [TS]

01:13:55   taken a standardized tests like the only reason to do that as a writer you a [TS]

01:14:01   reason to do that is to explain how they were able to make you have to have some [TS]

01:14:06   way of showing that any contests off the charts I guess but that's why not just [TS]

01:14:10   say you sent it I'm not saying that he handled it well I'm not saying it was a [TS]

01:14:14   good decision I'm just saying that's gotta be that's the only thing I could [TS]

01:14:16   think of the holder pretty hampstead way and it's totally not cinematic cinematic [TS]

01:14:24   would have way would have been to do something that was physical like make [TS]

01:14:28   him like a test of how many you know how everything he could levitate or [TS]

01:14:32   something like that right or do it like gas but Luke in the swamp and a BA when [TS]

01:14:39   he has to lift up the extra money goes into the cave any fights later turns out [TS]

01:14:43   to be him give us a nice call back to that that would be the way to handle [TS]

01:14:48   that's how they did it with Luke was good enough to look older [TS]

01:14:52   good friends at Squarespace I can see that connection Squarespace is the [TS]

01:15:02   all-in-one platform for building web sites they just launched Squarespace [TS]

01:15:08   seven new version you can go to Squarespace dot com slash seven EB spell [TS]

01:15:15   it out [TS]

01:15:16   full details on all the stuff that a redesigned interface integrated they've [TS]

01:15:22   added integration with Google Apps [TS]

01:15:24   partnership with Getty Images for stock photography stuff like that [TS]

01:15:31   15 all new templates with Squarespace seven things like cover pages all these [TS]

01:15:39   templates beautifully designed I don't know how they keep popping out so many [TS]

01:15:42   great template with all these designs and and part of the thing that makes the [TS]

01:15:46   new Squarespace 7 interface so much better than what came before any really [TS]

01:15:50   has always been a good interface for a while but it's all WYSIWYG like Europe [TS]

01:15:55   when you're looking at your own website you're logged in and you want to change [TS]

01:15:58   something you can just change it right there you don't have to go to a separate [TS]

01:16:02   it just added it right there in place really really visual and amazing degree [TS]

01:16:11   of customizability without any kind of technical coaching acumen but if you do [TS]

01:16:16   want to get in there if you do have coding level expertise you can go in [TS]

01:16:21   there [TS]

01:16:21   injector on JavaScript change the templates the way they want anything [TS]

01:16:25   like that simple and beautiful very powerful everybody get every Squarespace [TS]

01:16:31   account gets commerce you don't have to pay extra to have an online store with [TS]

01:16:36   your Squarespace say it's just one of the features they offer they take care [TS]

01:16:40   of all the hard stuff you know the security that taking the credit cards [TS]

01:16:44   everything like that you just a ranger store the way you arrange the riskier [TS]

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01:16:54   tablets big $0.30 cinema displays and it starts at just eight bucks a month and [TS]

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01:17:10   gonna save so much time you gonna save money to bike doing it at Squarespace [TS]

01:17:14   you can start a trial with no credit card required no credit card just go [TS]

01:17:21   there sign up go to here's the URL to use you came from the show go to [TS]

01:17:25   Squarespace dot com slash the talk show then they came from the show [TS]

01:17:30   sign up and [TS]

01:17:32   they will give you a free trial for a month and that's how confident they are [TS]

01:17:38   that you're going to ended times up that you're going to sign up when you do sign [TS]

01:17:42   up use the promo code JDG my initials John Gruber's initials J G and your save [TS]

01:17:50   10% off your purchase and I know that you came from the show so just remember [TS]

01:17:55   that when you sign up go to Squarespace dot com slash the talk show and find out [TS]

01:18:00   more about square spaces their templates are great it's really easy to use even [TS]

01:18:06   like when I go to a Squarespace site I can really tell that it's great space [TS]

01:18:10   which is the third of the mark of templates done well as they don't all [TS]

01:18:15   look the same doesn't have that sort of gross [TS]

01:18:19   almost almost the Platonic ideal of what they wanted what Apple wanna die web to [TS]

01:18:25   be anybody anybody can make a website now we've all been empowered we can all [TS]

01:18:29   start a blog we can all start a podcast or whatever like we just put your stuff [TS]

01:18:33   here after leaping about it but it's also cool that they sponsor everything [TS]

01:18:38   we talked about this it's become a cliche sponsored by Squarespace but the [TS]

01:18:44   truth is we could we can make fun of that but how cool is it that we have a [TS]

01:18:49   company like that is doing really cool stuff in there was a kind of a patron of [TS]

01:18:53   the arts [TS]

01:18:54   I thought about that a lot because you know they sponsor my website enough in [TS]

01:18:59   eastern sponsor this the the talk show enough that it occurred to me like how [TS]

01:19:03   is it possible that they can keep sponsoring and and you know a lot of the [TS]

01:19:07   shows I listened to or sponsored by then I thought about it and it in some sense [TS]

01:19:11   I think it can be explained by the fact that they've their company that embraced [TS]

01:19:17   the modern media world meaning you know like the post-pc world of devices like [TS]

01:19:24   the post internetworld of media where you know the old days your big budget [TS]

01:19:29   for advertising would go to print and TV while I should list TV first TV [TS]

01:19:35   print in the world you know the old and TV commercials are super expensive [TS]

01:19:40   they're super expensive to produce and they're super expensive to buy going to [TS]

01:19:45   put in front you know get a large number of people to listen [TS]

01:19:50   total spent center for them because I think that they're much more targeted [TS]

01:19:53   like I i've seen Squarespace ads on TV they have TV ads I mean there's [TS]

01:19:58   definitely a huge ad budget seen them on the subway to now but people who listen [TS]

01:20:03   to podcasts of any kind let alone technical so much more likely to be the [TS]

01:20:08   sort of people who are going to build a website of any kind that it's a better [TS]

01:20:13   way to target at you know you know far less money than you would pay to get an [TS]

01:20:19   ad in the New Yorkers something like that yeah so Specter Specter the title [TS]

01:20:27   of the the 24th fun they had a press conference today in London this was all [TS]

01:20:34   a huge surprise to me maybe I'm just not paying enough attention but I had no [TS]

01:20:37   idea this was coming this this came out of nowhere I've tried to stay a [TS]

01:20:41   spoiler-free as I could but I knew that there is a new one coming out in New Sam [TS]

01:20:44   Mendes had been assigned to come back even though he wasn't like a never say [TS]

01:20:50   never again thing where he said I'm never going to do another one but he was [TS]

01:20:53   pretty adamant that he only wanted to direct one you know because he does so [TS]

01:20:57   many other things you know when he you know not just other movies and stuff [TS]

01:21:02   like that and in fact i dont Squarespace the production of the movie was actually [TS]

01:21:07   setback because I would have been further ahead already if they hadn't [TS]

01:21:12   been waiting for Mendes because he had a year he had a play in London he was [TS]

01:21:19   directing then you know directing plays you know I don't talk too weird thing [TS]

01:21:25   because you know it's the opposite of a movie like you get a scene right now [TS]

01:21:29   movie move on whereas in a play during a night after night after night but you [TS]

01:21:35   know Skyfall was such a box office and critical success there you know you know [TS]

01:21:46   make him an offer he couldn't refuse [TS]

01:21:50   he brought back the same writing team the same to us in production team yeah [TS]

01:21:55   that kinda worries me though because I actually think that you know like I said [TS]

01:22:00   after the show they didn't do and I'm not gonna do a whole to our thing on [TS]

01:22:05   skype all but the more time goes on and more Skyfall settles in the less I like [TS]

01:22:11   you start to see the seams I feel like it's a really it's kind of a poorly [TS]

01:22:15   written film that was made [TS]

01:22:18   extraordinarily well like it's it's well cast the cast is perfect the look is [TS]

01:22:26   very good at has a good feel you know just the just such a great cast Javier [TS]

01:22:32   Bardem is so good it's such you know Roger Deakins does such amazing [TS]

01:22:40   cinematography it's just a gorgeous gorgeous film so clearly made by people [TS]

01:22:46   who love at least that you know but the bond adhesive vary so much over the [TS]

01:22:52   fifty years of course but it's so clearly made by people who love the [TS]

01:22:55   things about bond that I love you like a love letter to yeah yeah well done [TS]

01:23:03   yeah you know it makes here's here's an example it makes no logical sense but I [TS]

01:23:11   like it is one of the things I thought was perfect movie is the way that when [TS]

01:23:14   bond wants to get the car that mi6 could track he get the old BB 5 [TS]

01:23:22   because nobody would notice that even makes them even makes that this is [TS]

01:23:29   certainly inconspicuous and it also makes no sense in the sense that it's a [TS]

01:23:33   reboot of bond you know the whole story with Casino Royale and whatever they do [TS]

01:23:39   that car even come from whatever the vague rules of continuity were before [TS]

01:23:44   and you know up until then it was sort of hand wavy sort of continuity between [TS]

01:23:50   Bond movies you know where it was sort of insinuated that it was one guy who [TS]

01:23:56   had done all these things even if it was played by different actors know you say [TS]

01:24:00   that but last accounts you know well no no no I'm in the opening scene in an [TS]

01:24:09   emergency service he gets in that fight on the beach and he turns and he looks [TS]

01:24:13   at the camera than ever what happened to the other fellow that never happened [TS]

01:24:18   yeah yeah yeah yeah that's just part and and again we get into our on her [TS]

01:24:24   majesty's see it's clear Majesty's Secret Service is clearly the most [TS]

01:24:27   divisive of all the bodies in my opinion because it's either some of the people [TS]

01:24:31   you hate it or love it and I have good friends whose whose whose taste in [TS]

01:24:36   movies I generally agree with large measures who swear up and down that it's [TS]

01:24:41   the best buy on 10 May names that irons not be such a smart you can find lots of [TS]

01:24:53   people who made the argument from Chris Hoke loved it did you read from Chris [TS]

01:25:00   Hawks Bond Street ice cream reviewed he wrote like a massive then like a booklet [TS]

01:25:07   almost like a booklet thing where he reviewed every single bond just [TS]

01:25:12   fascinating and I don't know he said it was his very favorite but at least said [TS]

01:25:17   it was if not it was very close I think the the gut punch at the very end was [TS]

01:25:23   good I think that makes the movie worth it I don't know if I'd say it's good [TS]

01:25:27   they're not the best but it's so stupid it makes no sense [TS]

01:25:32   Blofeld was left alive there is a bob [TS]

01:25:35   sled chase with gunfire and and Blofeld bobsled overturns or whatever and bonds [TS]

01:25:44   at the bottom and why he doesn't go up there double check the delete this [TS]

01:25:47   assumes that his dad doesn't make any sense I felt like I feel he deserved his [TS]

01:25:53   wife killed by like there was no harsh there was no cockamamie in no way that [TS]

01:26:00   he disappeared off a cliff and maybe had a you know parachute or something or [TS]

01:26:05   some secret escape or something like that he just move just didn't go and [TS]

01:26:10   check yeah he's never seen a he's ever seen a movie I guess what you think the [TS]

01:26:18   title I think in the same way that I want to believe the jay jay berms picked [TS]

01:26:24   every shot in the Star Wars teaser for a reason I have to believe I want to [TS]

01:26:30   believe that that title is very very intentional that title is them not just [TS]

01:26:36   saying hey we got the rights to use this name we're gonna bring stuff back [TS]

01:26:40   whatever but they're trying to say in the same way that that at the end of [TS]

01:26:44   Skyfall you hear Moneypenny here that name that means something and you see [TS]

01:26:49   refined coming in as you see on the back of the office door that leather door but [TS]

01:26:55   just like a kind of right now we're in this place where the Bond movies the [TS]

01:27:00   country the Bond movies as Luke it looks like I even he even I wrote under he's [TS]

01:27:09   just finds is a very Bernard lead like now there's obviously a different [TS]

01:27:16   dynamic because rape find is clearly not that much older than [TS]

01:27:22   Daniel Craig and he's new as whereas in the Old Bond movies always [TS]

01:27:29   and and in the novels can both in the movies and novels it there's an idea [TS]

01:27:37   that has been there forever you know he's been there for a long he's been in [TS]

01:27:42   charge of mi6 for a long time [TS]

01:27:44   raised here it's a kind of a paternal relationship yes yes it's in fact it's [TS]

01:27:49   in the novels at least I think it even is it even says explicitly colonel [TS]

01:27:54   relationship and you can kind of see it in the movies [TS]

01:27:58   yeah with the gun was originally had the original quartermaster comes in and says [TS]

01:28:10   it's lady he had made a Beretta doing this but yeah the the the question of [TS]

01:28:18   who was supposed to be using the other guy is very steadfast I think he carried [TS]

01:28:24   a beretta and quartermaster and then insisted that he switched to the Walther [TS]

01:28:30   PPK was it was it was a breath it was a Beretta yeah but the argument about that [TS]

01:28:38   and never felt to me like this was bond sticking to what he knew and what he [TS]

01:28:41   liked so much as it was it was kind of him but he was being a little bit of [TS]

01:28:48   youthful teenage rebellion yeah a little bit much as anybody column a little bit [TS]

01:28:51   of column be there [TS]

01:28:54   major booth right the backstory on that is that there was a guy who was like a [TS]

01:29:00   weapons expert who co-wrote ian fleming after I love these novels big fan but [TS]

01:29:09   going to tell you your choice of weapon for this guy is is is pretty poor this [TS]

01:29:15   is a gun as terrible stopping power it's you know there's really nothing to [TS]

01:29:19   recommend it over to the serious business he gets into here [TS]

01:29:24   you know something something and so in Fleming wrote him back [TS]

01:29:29   thank you thank you this is wonderful wonderful feedback and then named a [TS]

01:29:33   character after the guy as I did you watch the BBC Fleming the man who would [TS]

01:29:43   be bond you know I have it in my notes here to talk to you about that I this [TS]

01:29:49   was a year ago when me and you and Brent where somehow back channel Q branch is [TS]

01:29:58   often better software thing [TS]

01:29:58   often better software thing [TS]

01:30:00   you guys had watched it and recommended it and we'll we'll branded as he watched [TS]

01:30:05   the first episode and recommended that we watch it but said it was terrible and [TS]

01:30:10   I so I watched it and I i strongly disagreed with his assessment I put it [TS]

01:30:15   on my ipod to my list of things to watch and then I got hit one of those like [TS]

01:30:19   June 30th it was there on july first it wasn't it was gone from Netflix and I [TS]

01:30:26   thought out and and I remember especially the end and it was an ideal [TS]

01:30:30   either or it should be honest I don't know but at the time here in the $15 but [TS]

01:30:35   it was like well it anyway it's right now as we speak in in December 2014 it [TS]

01:30:40   back on the tracks and oddly enough I actually started watching it like four [TS]

01:30:46   nights ago how far and i three out of four making that just your with my hand [TS]

01:30:55   that's like you know so so like I'm glad it exists and I am enjoying it but it [TS]

01:31:01   feels like a BBC TV shows like a movie The that attitude of I like it I'm [TS]

01:31:08   enjoying it I'm glad it exists but it's not great is kinda I mean the worst Bond [TS]

01:31:13   movies are still enjoyable and 24 of them yeah so there's any good ones and [TS]

01:31:19   bad ones with even the worst of the bunch [TS]

01:31:21   even if you really hate Never Say Never Gonna you really hate Majesty's Secret [TS]

01:31:26   Service you still enjoy watching it on in the show felt like to me was not so [TS]

01:31:32   much like a biopic about Fleming is it was kind of a kind of us sort of maybe a [TS]

01:31:39   little bit sanctioned prequel [TS]

01:31:43   maybe I read it as this and it's a great in the title the man who would be bonds [TS]

01:31:48   it feels to me like this is the template for bond by the way I think it just grew [TS]

01:31:53   bird the word [TS]

01:31:55   opec I've always said it by OPEC [TS]

01:31:59   biography picture biopic biopic would be like if it was like a disease of the eye [TS]

01:32:05   or something that's going to set up by over there right now let's look this up [TS]

01:32:12   now I wanna know what my problem with looking up emphasis and maybe this is [TS]

01:32:18   why mistrust home anywhere it is I don't know how to read the diacritical marks [TS]

01:32:22   printers i three or four different systems of diacritical marks show you [TS]

01:32:26   how to pronounce a word where the emphasis cuz i dont I I don't understand [TS]

01:32:29   any of them once I Connor Shaw's and everything start showing up I I don't [TS]

01:32:33   know who this is what the internet is for ya [TS]

01:32:36   you can just listen a little audio clip [TS]

01:32:39   years 1 I'll pick your right yeah yeah it's a bio and a picture so it's a [TS]

01:32:48   myopic [TS]

01:32:49   biopic to me sounds like somebody taking photographs in the bathrooms i I just [TS]

01:32:55   think its industry lingo you know no chick flick I've learned something today [TS]

01:33:00   by OPEC and see if you'd said biopic I would call you on that [TS]

01:33:05   ya head out and I you know whenever I hear somebody pronounce a word [TS]

01:33:11   differently than I have pronounced in my entire life I generally assume I [TS]

01:33:15   generally assumed that I've just learned something cuz it's usually a safe bet [TS]

01:33:20   like it hurts like with the city are you get you mispronounce enough word that [TS]

01:33:24   you've read visually but never pronounced enough and you're almost [TS]

01:33:28   always wrong you start to assume that if I presented differently I'm wrong we did [TS]

01:33:34   you know I but in the way that you pointed out that maybe if you go down [TS]

01:33:41   information if you killed you if your ass if the premise and you just killed [TS]

01:33:45   your master to become the master maybe you don't take an apprentice if you [TS]

01:33:49   realize that you're completing [TS]

01:33:51   a thousand generation chain of that happening you know over and over again [TS]

01:33:56   every done it if you're the new guy thirty years later you've got no idea [TS]

01:33:59   how to pronounce medical areas did you see the thing where the poster that they [TS]

01:34:07   unveil and it's a cool little movie they have to just shows the name spektr being [TS]

01:34:12   like animated in the the bullet in the glass it almost reminds me of the did [TS]

01:34:18   you see you signed it [TS]

01:34:20   singleton to beat UC Davis Aggies poll opening credits of alien yeah it's sort [TS]

01:34:26   of that same sort of fact where the words Specter is revealed piece by piece [TS]

01:34:30   in the letters it and it's just a big the type of nerd in me in the bond nerd [TS]

01:34:35   in me for being maybe twenty seconds of video that shows you nothing just felt [TS]

01:34:41   really good watching and yeah and the way that the used to you mentioned did [TS]

01:34:44   you just mentions that the logo looks like the broken glass underneath the [TS]

01:34:49   bullet to the glass but the way the glass shatters there's the the tentacles [TS]

01:34:53   like the hydro style but the spektr ramallah the remaining but the Hydra [TS]

01:35:00   logo from the Marvel Universe in the spectral ergo chairs and visual [TS]

01:35:03   similarities right then that the idea behind the logo is that it's like a [TS]

01:35:06   multi tentacled organization that you know you can't you know kill one [TS]

01:35:11   technical and got 71 around the world forever 21 had to marshal appear so i [TS]

01:35:20   most interesting casting to me is Christoph Waltz oh yeah there's there's [TS]

01:35:26   there's lots of the old news and casting is good news but that's that's like now [TS]

01:35:32   I got a fucking movie yeah it's funny it's it seems like they've really [TS]

01:35:37   there's what's his name the guy from guardians of the galaxy [TS]

01:35:41   David Bautista yeah is mister Hinks which is so obviously it's so old school [TS]

01:35:47   by and look at the guy ya gotta be like criminal henchmen [TS]

01:35:53   with the name mister hanks sounds perfect but it's totally taken it back [TS]

01:35:57   like you know to to connery and Moraira bond you know it's got a little bit of [TS]

01:36:05   campaigning which has that's that's kind of made bond fund then work now I don't [TS]

01:36:12   know the speculation has been there have been rumors and again I've tried to [TS]

01:36:16   avoid them but I think everybody now that they're calling movie spektr it's [TS]

01:36:20   not spoiling anything that there were rumors that Christoph Waltz was gonna [TS]

01:36:25   play Blofeld for a while you're saying you didn't see those rumors de the name [TS]

01:36:30   that was the name they gave him for him in their announcement they've seen he's [TS]

01:36:33   playing a character named Overhauser yeah which if you google that made my [TS]

01:36:38   Google because I want to find out what it meant and German cause I thought [TS]

01:36:41   maybe there was a hint at something cause I can't have it just has the [TS]

01:36:44   center of this is a code name for a character this isn't the characters [TS]

01:36:46   really and what if you go to last name it's the name of this lake nazi general [TS]

01:36:50   who was tried for war crimes after world war two legs very famous a Nazi into me [TS]

01:36:55   that's that's so over the top that it can't possibly be a real characters name [TS]

01:37:01   that has to be masking yeah I think he's gonna bring backs spektr you might as [TS]

01:37:09   well bring back I mean it you can make the argument that you bring back spektr [TS]

01:37:13   and then Blofeld is revealed in the next movie in the same way that you got [TS]

01:37:17   inside spektr maybe even glimpses of Blofeld and even as far back as doctor [TS]

01:37:23   now you don't really get to see Blofeld Intel to return movies in four movies [TS]

01:37:28   4450 first movie was dr. no and Blofeld was a guy and K [TS]

01:37:37   you saw him from behind a chair and he had the cat but never saw his face and [TS]

01:37:41   then in Russia With Love You sign in that secret meeting room [TS]

01:37:45   where he was behind venetian blinds so you still continues face and he blamed [TS]

01:37:51   that was worried and unveiled that was really unveiled the the gag that dr. [TS]

01:37:55   evil used riad like a boardroom table and he could hit right right to kill a [TS]

01:38:01   guy and and he wasn't in Goldfinger he wasn't in Goldfinger Goldfinger and [TS]

01:38:05   Goldfinger had nothing to do with Specter and then in the next movie was [TS]

01:38:12   Thunderball which was a specter plot to steal a nuclear missile but Blofeld I [TS]

01:38:23   don't know if he was even pictured it was Largo [TS]

01:38:27   the guy with the eyepatch was the head operative of the mission I think we saw [TS]

01:38:33   him I don't think we even seemed invulnerable I don't even think he makes [TS]

01:38:37   a Blofeld in you don't get to see his face but he's there I think that Largo [TS]

01:38:42   is the only guy and then the next movie is you only live twice and that's where [TS]

01:38:47   we finally see him and he's played by David presents the the the end it's the [TS]

01:38:54   one everybody remembers its the guy the bald guy with the scarred face right in [TS]

01:38:59   the in the crazy suit but I like that you know the doctor evil the doctor evil [TS]

01:39:03   look I want to say when we saw him in we saw a glimpse of him into movies prior [TS]

01:39:08   mostly because the three times we see him the first two hands and then the [TS]

01:39:13   temporary actually there's like three different looks likely three different [TS]

01:39:17   actors it's always different actors and in fact it was part of the way that they [TS]

01:39:21   they just had this loosey-goosey continuity that would never fly anymore [TS]

01:39:26   and the guy who played him in Dr No [TS]

01:39:31   even I was just seen in a chair from behind stroking his pussy was the actor [TS]

01:39:40   who played his name was [TS]

01:39:43   wise or maybe it was the guy who played the guy who played him in and from [TS]

01:39:50   Russia With Love was the guy who played strength lies the strange ways the guy [TS]

01:39:57   who's the guy who in in Jamaica in dr. no was the mineralogist who was cricket [TS]

01:40:09   and tried to sneak in and killed in Mali is plain member was playing solitaire to [TS]

01:40:14   wait for him to come back and write back I played played Blofeld in next movie [TS]

01:40:20   and then the craziest one is in you Only Live Twice the one he goes to Japan [TS]

01:40:30   get all crazy racist in need and if he meets the mi6 operative in Tokyo and the [TS]

01:40:40   guy is wearing a kimono and it's a he's been stationed there is a British guys [TS]

01:40:45   been stationed there for thirty years and it's a nice little touch he makes he [TS]

01:40:50   he he makes a martini and he says [TS]

01:40:54   stirred not shaken right which is of course the wrong but bond being up late [TS]

01:40:59   British person says perfect thank you you know just accept it doesn't behind [TS]

01:41:03   him and then he gets stabbed by a ninja assassin and bond has to go chasing him [TS]

01:41:07   that actor the guy who played a British intelligence agent in you wanna live [TS]

01:41:15   twice to movies later is the guy who played Blofeld in diamonds are forever [TS]

01:41:21   really yeah and he doesn't even look different it wasn't even like they gave [TS]

01:41:25   him different makeup for a different hairstyle haha that's right that's right [TS]

01:41:28   so a lot of this blurs together because I want all of the Bond movies of the [TS]

01:41:32   course of a month it would never ever do have a good [TS]

01:41:38   recast it's almost like you know like they were they were casting out of Lake [TS]

01:41:42   you know like saturday live like you have like an ensemble cast and you just [TS]

01:41:48   have to keep reusing actor but look at doctor who Peter Capaldi the new doctor [TS]

01:41:54   he was in an episode has been addressed some side character like five years ago [TS]

01:41:59   the previous companion was obvious in that same episode in fact as a totally [TS]

01:42:05   different character just not that many actors in the UK yeah I don't know [TS]

01:42:11   people like an old boys club back then people and I think because nobody got to [TS]

01:42:16   read watch movies on home video that everybody just assumed that they would I [TS]

01:42:20   do it was right but it's crazy that just two movies apart the same guy played a [TS]

01:42:29   British agent and blow fell [TS]

01:42:35   I'm guessing see his face 2 I'm guessing that Christoph Waltz's greenbacks vector [TS]

01:42:41   you gotta bring back gonna have Blofeld I mean he's as good an actor is anybody [TS]

01:42:47   that's just it doesn't like in these procedural TV shows they try to do the [TS]

01:42:53   thing where they want to keep you guessing as to who the guy was who [TS]

01:42:57   committed the murder but they do you can just say about this is the character [TS]

01:43:00   actor they've seen other TV shows clearly that's the murder you look at [TS]

01:43:05   this big-budget big production like this you don't bring in Christoph Waltz to [TS]

01:43:09   just play some dude I look at it this way if Blofeld is in the movie it's [TS]

01:43:14   gotta be Christoph Waltz and if blow-hards on the movie then when [TS]

01:43:21   because how many more does Daniel Craig have it right if you gonna bring back [TS]

01:43:25   spektr 44 the end of Daniel Craig's run in the role [TS]

01:43:31   Blofeld in there soon as possible I figure you bring them you gotta bring [TS]

01:43:35   them in and you know finally have you know like in the Old Bond movies finally [TS]

01:43:40   have a movie where bond doesn't get that guy [TS]

01:43:43   you know Blofeld escape I'm expecting Blofeld wherever is crazy scheme is in [TS]

01:43:47   this movie will escape the end we'll be back in the next day or whatever hard [TS]

01:43:52   lessons bond has learned in Casino Royale cuando solace in Skyfall he [TS]

01:43:56   hasn't had a huge failure yet other then the just a failure of Vesper Lynd well [TS]

01:44:05   yeah but it wasn't it wasn't a failure that was a personal failure that wasn't [TS]

01:44:09   a failure on the level of the guy who was trying to destroy the world kinda [TS]

01:44:12   got away with it [TS]

01:44:15   speaking of spektr evil world wide multi Backblaze back please [TS]

01:44:28   is unlimited online backup for your Mac they have over 100 petabytes of data [TS]

01:44:37   backed up for other customers hands dirty it really I forget they've told us [TS]

01:44:45   how big a petabyte is I forget to send us an email and it was just it was so [TS]

01:44:50   much more data than you have crazy and it's they've done great you know if you [TS]

01:44:55   google talk about how to set up a datacenter that reliable and cheap and [TS]

01:44:59   how much it cost to get drives and stuff like that it's crazy how much did they [TS]

01:45:06   are backed up but how they figure out a way to do it [TS]

01:45:09   cheap because there is a factor with back please but is a factor where [TS]

01:45:14   there's almost a too-good-to-be-true feel too because it's just five bucks a [TS]

01:45:20   month for computer for unlimited on throttle back up and it's again it's one [TS]

01:45:26   of those things it's such a great product but it i remember i heard about [TS]

01:45:29   it for a long time before I sign I remembered there's other shows that they [TS]

01:45:33   sponsored and one of the reasons I didn't sign up is it had like this too [TS]

01:45:38   good to be true feel to it because you think things like well probably only [TS]

01:45:42   backs up your startup drugs now it backs up like if you have like an external [TS]

01:45:46   hard drive is three terabyte terabytes a bigger where you keep all of your [TS]

01:45:52   digital media stuff like that they backed that up to it might take a while [TS]

01:45:57   depending on your upstream but once it's backed up it's up there and then after [TS]

01:46:03   that everything is incremental when you add new files and stuff like that but [TS]

01:46:08   it's not just the start of Dr it's you know everything and five bucks per month [TS]

01:46:14   for unlimited backup and it just works just runs you install their software and [TS]

01:46:20   forget about it [TS]

01:46:22   you see they use Facebook but sometimes you see posts from people or emails from [TS]

01:46:27   people are YouTube comments from people where every other word is misspelled and [TS]

01:46:30   there's no punctuation and capitalization and you wonder in 2014 [TS]

01:46:34   when every device you could possibly touch that has a battery has spell check [TS]

01:46:38   how it's possible that these people that there's no excuse for misspelling words [TS]

01:46:43   unless it gets you in the same way you've got no excuse if your hard drive [TS]

01:46:48   crashes in a backup at $5 a month just it's it's unfathomable to me that you [TS]

01:46:52   wouldn't have had something in place it's I have a bunch of family members [TS]

01:46:58   with Max who don't have back please give it as a gift because you know here's [TS]

01:47:03   back up here's your present but I can suffer but when I'm at the house I'm [TS]

01:47:09   going to in addition to a gift give them back I set up for him and just soak it [TS]

01:47:14   up because I i feel better my parents don't have to make sure my commitment [TS]

01:47:21   this year home for the holidays I do it because I was so much better if all the [TS]

01:47:25   pictures madonna is on her back [TS]

01:47:27   backed up somewhere outside of her house and just do that for everybody in your [TS]

01:47:32   family when you go home for the holidays and you're gonna feel so much better but [TS]

01:47:40   I think it's you know in addition to a gift giving back place because it's [TS]

01:47:47   gonna happen I had somebody in my family just had a Mac hard drive [TS]

01:47:52   go bad [TS]

01:47:52   like so bad when you reboot and go into disk Disk Utility it's like I got [TS]

01:48:02   nothing you know and then they took it to the Apple store in their life so like [TS]

01:48:07   everything you know they'd lost photos a bunch of photos you know that is gone [TS]

01:48:12   and I had the same thing terrible so many things you'd like they had back [TS]

01:48:19   please I feel bad i felt a little guilty that I hadn't because it would have [TS]

01:48:25   saved five bucks a month [TS]

01:48:29   computer unlimited backup and here's the deal you get a risk-free no credit card [TS]

01:48:35   required trial start out just gotta Backblaze dot com slash during fireball [TS]

01:48:40   and you can get it to try you could just do that for relatives just given the [TS]

01:48:45   free trial over Christmas and Sean how easy it is and you know let them put the [TS]

01:48:50   bill so great and tell them to let back please know that you heard him talk show [TS]

01:48:55   that URL backpage.com / Darron fireball can go wrong there's no excuse there's [TS]

01:49:03   no excuse for not having [TS]

01:49:05   how many do you even have a camera that takes pictures on film [TS]

01:49:09   well I do I but I haven't I don't know yet I but I take I don't know probably [TS]

01:49:16   hundreds of pictures a month and they're all digital and they're all on my hard [TS]

01:49:21   drive or somewhere if anything happens if I didn't have a backup that's like [TS]

01:49:26   every record of my life I lose my hard drive I just don't exist anymore I'm [TS]

01:49:32   like Michael J Fox and Back to the Future in that photo in my hands start [TS]

01:49:35   disappearing [TS]

01:49:38   they can never happen especially i mean SSDs can go bad too but if you have [TS]

01:49:42   anybody anything stored on a spinning like this man you got it [TS]

01:49:45   backed up somewhere else for your laptop get stolen things can happen just five [TS]

01:49:52   bucks a month imagine you get health insurance for $5 a month of course you [TS]

01:49:55   do it or so you free unlimited online backup for $5 a month [TS]

01:50:01   yea well imagine if health insurance meant that if you hit by a bus you get [TS]

01:50:05   like reboot to where you were yesterday I would definitely pay $5 right back [TS]

01:50:11   places for five bucks if only there is back with his for us great that should [TS]

01:50:19   be there to try engineers are working so what else with Specter is that i was [TS]

01:50:27   thinkin bout with Specter and and and that one it's that this was just [TS]

01:50:32   resolved legally last year this whole backstory and those of you and listen [TS]

01:50:36   listen to that whole bond five by five at auction thing years ago [TS]

01:50:41   know that we covered this but the basic story zoos guy named Kevin McClory who [TS]

01:50:47   Ian Fleming had collaborated with before the bond thing even really got big I [TS]

01:50:53   don't think they would do it wasn't a TV movie and they came up with collaborator [TS]

01:51:00   to think there is even a third collaborator those who have never you [TS]

01:51:04   know somehow got bought out of his rights [TS]

01:51:06   early on in the process but he got screwed but forget about that they're [TS]

01:51:10   just too busy in Fleming and Kevin McClory came up with the premise that [TS]

01:51:14   was basically Thunderball what if criminal organization could somehow [TS]

01:51:21   compromised pilot who would be flying a test flight with a nuclear-armed fighter [TS]

01:51:30   plane and get the compromise pilot to drop the bomb not you know ignited but [TS]

01:51:36   just drop in the ocean somewhere where they could pick it up from the bottom [TS]

01:51:41   and then the world the Western world hostage which is really pretty cleverly [TS]

01:51:48   get you know one of the things about that Thunderball plot is in the grand [TS]

01:51:51   scheme of the whole world is risk James Bond plots it's actually seems pretty [TS]

01:51:59   plausible right that there are by today's standards right you know that [TS]

01:52:03   there are pilots who are flying planes that have nuclear-armed weapons and then [TS]

01:52:09   at that point you've got one guy who you know if you compromise that one guy [TS]

01:52:13   maybe you know you going to do something with it nothing came of it I guess [TS]

01:52:19   whatever the original TV-movie somehow fell through but I was held a good story [TS]

01:52:25   and he went ahead and just use for the novel Thunderball you wouldn't you mean [TS]

01:52:31   I can I mean I can see the contention there but yeah I guess I i you know I [TS]

01:52:37   don't know you know who came up with how much of it who knows you know I mean I [TS]

01:52:41   only really maybe maybe only informing and Corey really know how much of it [TS]

01:52:46   Ian Fleming truly had a right to to reuse how much of it he came up with but [TS]

01:52:52   regardless they McClory sued and even some remember reading about that the [TS]

01:52:59   young production to know the people who make the movies even they were aware of [TS]

01:53:04   that and they even you know we're wary of making you know doing a movie and [TS]

01:53:09   Thunderball until it was resolved but they had lawyer enough lawyers who said [TS]

01:53:12   you know crack but but it ended up that he got the right by the time it was [TS]

01:53:20   ended it ended with the fable of Solomon where you know two women come in saying [TS]

01:53:28   this is our baby right now [TS]

01:53:31   half the woman who said no no you must be the wrong because you know you're [TS]

01:53:36   more concerned about the baby then you are about this was like a solomonic [TS]

01:53:40   decision with this where they both had the rights to the Honorable Ian Fleming [TS]

01:53:46   and US Young productions who had the right stay in Fleming's James Bond and [TS]

01:53:50   Kevin Kevin McClory had legal rights to make a movie based on the novel and [TS]

01:53:57   that's spent decades trying to get it made and that's what eventually became [TS]

01:54:01   never say never again that's why I never say never again the plot is so similar [TS]

01:54:06   to the Honorable so weird the weird moral fable two and one half a baby and [TS]

01:54:13   his weird yet we are it's weird that you know you know you know they're painted [TS]

01:54:20   the lying woman was was like you know painted in broad strokes she was like [TS]

01:54:24   the Empire you know you care that she had a fleet of Thai fighters she [TS]

01:54:32   wouldn't put shield [TS]

01:54:33   save a couple bucks whatever it takes [TS]

01:54:38   get it done it's where the Kevin McClory guide even the ability to use the name [TS]

01:54:42   James Bond right whatever you say about his claim that the story ok great you [TS]

01:54:47   can you can use the same story just use it whenever the character I'd link to [TS]

01:54:52   this before I put in the show us again hope it's still there on YouTube JVC the [TS]

01:54:56   recut opening of never say never again [TS]

01:54:59   yeah I think I think would you like to it may be on the show or maybe use under [TS]

01:55:05   incredible that you talked about how great it would be if they they redid the [TS]

01:55:08   whole movie like that it's just a bit is is the real never say never again has [TS]

01:55:13   this terrible cheesy eighties soundtrack theme and even the logo thing is really [TS]

01:55:22   cheesy and it's part of what makes it feel off right from the start and some [TS]

01:55:27   genius on to put up on YouTube pretty much like the whole eye-opening [TS]

01:55:32   five-minute them [TS]

01:55:33   of never say never again but with the real James Bond theme music and logo and [TS]

01:55:43   stuff like that and it improves it so I mentally and it feels really feels like [TS]

01:55:50   this is a real James Bond and it's exactly like we said earlier about John [TS]

01:55:54   Williams in Star Wars make sure you write it makes you realize how much that [TS]

01:55:58   music and graphical teaming is part of what makes it feel like a bomb on me [TS]

01:56:03   when we saw each other pretty clearly scenery out when you first hear the you [TS]

01:56:12   first hear the bond yeah yeah and and they held the silhouette you know pulled [TS]

01:56:19   the gun out and shoot a bullet into the screen and the blood comes down they [TS]

01:56:23   held it until the end of them right is this was that the whole point of the [TS]

01:56:27   movie was this is how we become a bond right it was like this it was almost [TS]

01:56:31   like a home movie was sort of a a feature-length like a prelude to call a [TS]

01:56:42   chapter 0 of a book like a two-hour prologue yeah I can read it as sort of [TS]

01:56:50   similar to like Batman Begins and then is it at the time in movies when Batman [TS]

01:56:54   Begins and rebooting thing was that they do I give us more origin stories please [TS]

01:56:59   yeah it was a head around the greatest origin story ever I think I think that I [TS]

01:57:06   think a degree that in some of it for me and give me any secrets by saying the [TS]

01:57:11   best girl in my favorite Bond girl and I think that such such a defining moment [TS]

01:57:15   in bonds life if you want to imagine that it's it's one guy in this is all [TS]

01:57:20   his story that the story of Vesper Lynd is the story of art without her there is [TS]

01:57:26   no James Bond and they say you know it wasn't like he started as [TS]

01:57:30   eighty five-pound sickly weekly who needed a super serum to become too he [TS]

01:57:38   was already there wasn't bitten by a radioactive secret agent right was [TS]

01:57:42   obviously already well trained in the military and had the mindset and was on [TS]

01:57:46   the type of person who would be on a career path to become a double O and mi6 [TS]

01:57:51   it's you know what is it like what would that do with that character be like when [TS]

01:57:56   he's one cut below becoming the double oh you know and what would he be like [TS]

01:58:02   when he first gets granted those status and isn't really comfortable at that [TS]

01:58:07   level it doesn't really get it yet isn't really isn't quite prepared for it you [TS]

01:58:12   know that so maybe a little a little insufferably arrogant yeah he knows is [TS]

01:58:18   on the cusp but he's not here not seasoned enough to be comfortable with [TS]

01:58:21   it yet and we've that scene on the train with him investor going back and forth [TS]

01:58:26   reading shots and he loses that argument yeah anybody who's anybody it doesn't [TS]

01:58:30   hold that that's one of the best scenes in an action movie in recent memory I [TS]

01:58:36   was ever but you know in the modern era of movies it's just not going to be able [TS]

01:58:42   to do not agree on anything when it comes to is it not even actually that's [TS]

01:58:47   one of my favorite scenes in a movie [TS]

01:58:48   yeah it's just so good and it's you know it's in a series where the the level of [TS]

01:58:56   actual personal interplay between bond and the women in the movies it's just [TS]

01:59:04   notoriously then you know and it's more or less blah blah blah let's go to bed [TS]

01:59:09   right and this place so well against that but even stand on its own it works [TS]

01:59:15   in both directions which i think is what makes it so great right [TS]

01:59:17   you could see why both of them like each other and you can see why both of them [TS]

01:59:21   just like each other and you can see why both of them [TS]

01:59:24   like the other because of the reasons that they dislike yeah when she asks [TS]

01:59:28   how's the lamb he says he says it with a smile like he's kind of ended the season [TS]

01:59:33   to this lady yeah yeah it's definitely the best seemed III it makes the [TS]

01:59:37   otherwise it's a great movie anyway but it's it's really the seemingly put it [TS]

01:59:41   over the top [TS]

01:59:43   what do you think about this with Specter and the movie spektr and the [TS]

01:59:49   organization is that there's there they think could be repeating a pattern so in [TS]

01:59:53   the in the sean connery films there's dr. no and that's a specter movie doctor [TS]

01:59:57   knows his agents inspector and From Russia With Love is a specter movie then [TS]

02:00:04   the third one goldfinger was just about it was off specter was just this [TS]

02:00:08   crackpot guy goldfinger in his plan and then in the fourth and fifth once they [TS]

02:00:13   went back to the spektr with doctor now twice saying that with Casino Royale you [TS]

02:00:20   had dishonored there was this shadowy organization that I believe you and I [TS]

02:00:24   chatted about this today in prep for the show but I believing sinner out there [TS]

02:00:27   was never given a name to it but there was the guy mr. white which is the guy [TS]

02:00:32   who he had a great scene in the movie mr. white who had been like behind all [TS]

02:00:39   this [TS]

02:00:39   scheming and the funding of worship and who saved James Bond's life by coming in [TS]

02:00:46   Killingly friendly bond go when he was being tortured yeah I think it's the [TS]

02:00:53   chef chef [TS]

02:00:54   I'm sure the internet schiffer whatever the sheaf I guess it for the same movie [TS]

02:01:01   actually it's more in this mister white guys you know obviously if not the [TS]

02:01:08   highest up is a higher up in some shadowy criminal organization and then [TS]

02:01:13   he's you know one of the neat things about quantum of Solace which opposition [TS]

02:01:17   Skyfall I continue to like more and more as I go on and everyone [TS]

02:01:23   if I read about the commentaries I did with Dan on the original series the one [TS]

02:01:30   I would probably change the most if I read it now is quantum of Solace which I [TS]

02:01:33   wrote at the time did not like those of a bunch of plot holes in some week [TS]

02:01:38   writing the more I watch it I like it and I i even like I like the idea that [TS]

02:01:45   it starts like an hour after Casino Royale [TS]

02:01:48   it's like the next day yeah he's got mister white in the trunk of his car but [TS]

02:01:53   you don't even know that until you open the trunk of his car when you see it in [TS]

02:01:56   theaters it had been like two or three years since her ass you've probably [TS]

02:02:00   forgotten about that and I think that assuming that this was a whole new story [TS]

02:02:04   starting over was what ruin the movie for the people who didn't like it but if [TS]

02:02:08   you watch them if you and I think that's why i like it more and more I do think [TS]

02:02:12   so that it's the fact that it continues from it [TS]

02:02:15   get a good day taking afternoon and wash them back-to-back quantum solace is much [TS]

02:02:20   better movie than you probably didn't notice I was under the impression that [TS]

02:02:23   the criminal organization and they had like the right-hand man to M was in fact [TS]

02:02:31   double agent working for them you know he he betrays them and kill them in bond [TS]

02:02:36   and he's the guy rescues Mr White from captivity added that organization [TS]

02:02:42   Quantum of Solace it ends up that they call the organization quantum at some [TS]

02:02:46   point and if you google and you know look around and just google for quantum [TS]

02:02:50   organization James Bond you'll see that there's people who call that [TS]

02:02:54   organization quantum and that's how I read it I guess but it would be cool [TS]

02:02:58   though if if if they somehow make it seem as though that organization is [TS]

02:03:02   factored it was pretty strongly hinted at least that's how I read it right and [TS]

02:03:07   at that was or maybe that was the code name code name of it and the explanation [TS]

02:03:13   behind the scenes was that they hadn't settled his lawsuit with the Clement [TS]

02:03:17   Kevin McClory mistake getting back to the quarry the whole thing is a year ago [TS]

02:03:21   in 2013 Eon Productions finally wrote a check [TS]

02:03:25   you know both sides agreed not to say what it was but some amount of money [TS]

02:03:30   they gave to Kevin McClory stake Corey died a few years ago and now jaan wholly [TS]

02:03:37   owned the rights to specter that seems like the thing that could only happen [TS]

02:03:42   after McClory dies and after a broccoli dies once once like the people who are [TS]

02:03:48   actually having actually involved in that that angry battle are out of the [TS]

02:03:53   picture [TS]

02:03:54   cooler heads prevail right is that was one of the side effects Corey only had [TS]

02:03:58   the rights to reduce in terms of Ian Fleming's material to do Thunderball [TS]

02:04:02   somehow part of the side effects of this judgment was that young couldn't use [TS]

02:04:07   spektr anymore and they did make a few more movies after Thunderball but at [TS]

02:04:12   some point after diamonds are forever that lawsuit got to such a place where [TS]

02:04:19   they felt like they couldn't or shouldn't explicitly told they can't [TS]

02:04:23   make if they used specter that McCrory would get the rights to that movie too [TS]

02:04:26   you know that if they put him in you know despite that then you know somehow [TS]

02:04:33   specter was somehow part of what you got with Thunderball and so last year they [TS]

02:04:37   finally just made it all go away and now they own the rights to it called spektr [TS]

02:04:43   so I feel like they should clearly they should do that right they should make [TS]

02:04:47   you know somehow blur the lines of what was called Quantum in to say that thats [TS]

02:04:52   spektr yeah it could be that it was a condom was an offshoot it could be that [TS]

02:04:58   that was the precursor organization with a back story we just tied together [TS]

02:05:06   quickly they give us one line of dialogue they call it can give us an [TS]

02:05:11   allusion to project quantum and that's good enough I hope they don't I hope [TS]

02:05:17   they don't reuse the acronym the special projects and something something because [TS]

02:05:23   it doesn't even really add up to specter you have to like cross out [TS]

02:05:27   to get the S&P you have to count both the S&P in special you know we know what [TS]

02:05:35   you're doing you just try to get to the word spektr just if you want to call it [TS]

02:05:38   specter's called spektr [TS]

02:05:39   yeah there's no reason to background image and the one that Fleming came up [TS]

02:05:45   with was pretty been [TS]

02:05:47   shield shield has a crazy yeah they they totally embrace that with the one of the [TS]

02:05:53   Iron Man movie where they didn't have the acronym yet but Agent Coulson said [TS]

02:06:01   I'm never home land blah blah blah blah blah and strategic intelligence [TS]

02:06:07   something in logistics division I can't believe I remembered that much of it [TS]

02:06:11   being here somebody says that's a mouthful he says yeah we're working on [TS]

02:06:16   it [TS]

02:06:16   yeah that's actually but if you think about it actually I remember thinking [TS]

02:06:23   about it when it came out it's actually good they aren't any like real clunker [TS]

02:06:27   words in there like there are in the spektr actor working on that I don't [TS]

02:06:33   know they came up with one guy was really good at running toward where is [TS]

02:06:41   the special executive for counterintelligence terrorism revenge [TS]

02:06:47   and extortion so he had to use the SMTP from special right and I'm gonna make a [TS]

02:06:53   special case for any word should be there were special and the way Fleming [TS]

02:06:56   spelled it if counterintelligence was hyphenated so you have to ignore the I [TS]

02:07:00   get two letters some days he had to wear though have one letter and I think of [TS]

02:07:09   revenge really sticks out as sort of [TS]

02:07:12   you know that if you weren't back running and why would you put revenge in [TS]

02:07:15   counterintelligence ok terrorism definitely [TS]

02:07:21   extortion definitely right against opposed to you know like a religious [TS]

02:07:28   terrorist group that is just after the you know for the virgins in heaven or [TS]

02:07:34   whatever you know Spector's in it for the money so yeah extortion definitely [TS]

02:07:39   part of it but revenge [TS]

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02:07:52   against as opposed to what would your ideal be that you believe no enemies [TS]

02:07:56   behind that there is nobody that you need to seek revenge against because [TS]

02:08:00   you're never gonna get wrong but I thought it was that they were it was all [TS]

02:08:04   in the name of revenge against people for things that happened maybe which [TS]

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02:13:13   lynda.com / the talk show my thanks to to them so Fleming the BBC series we [TS]

02:13:19   finished third you get the best you are you could have mister I think it's an [TS]

02:13:22   episode 1 I'm I'm sure I did but I mean comes to a bar and its I guess it's [TS]

02:13:31   supposed to be like a seedy place I don't know I didn't look like it seemed [TS]

02:13:35   like quarter action because it to the bartender and just says three measures [TS]

02:13:39   of Gordon's one measure yes have a measure of kennel away and the bartender [TS]

02:13:44   and a bottle of beer and there's a sort of we don't have that here look on the [TS]

02:13:53   bartenders face it I like that because it's a joke they have to be a fee if [TS]

02:13:59   you're not a Bond fan it doesn't make it that that whole interaction makes no [TS]

02:14:02   sense and if you are a bunch of an it's it makes all the sense in the world I [TS]

02:14:07   think it still makes sense it it means that he is coming in wanting a drink and [TS]

02:14:12   he says something about that character in his misunderstanding of where he was [TS]

02:14:16   because he was kind of this entitled Brad at that point in the story of his [TS]

02:14:22   life which may have also been true yeah it's video watching it at no point did [TS]

02:14:26   it occur to me to take this is a literal reading of anything that ever happened [TS]

02:14:31   to you like I'm sure there's element of truth to it but it seems like this is [TS]

02:14:35   somebody making a mini-series out [TS]

02:14:37   of the stories that you in Fleming told the people to make himself sound cool I [TS]

02:14:42   actually since I started watching it I haven't I've resisted the urge to google [TS]

02:14:47   it [TS]

02:14:47   episodes before I do but then I wouldn't look and see how much of it is [TS]

02:14:52   purportedly true i think is true I think it's you know when I went through it [TS]

02:15:00   it's from what I read it seems like most of this was blurred lines so much of [TS]

02:15:07   what he did while he was in the service was redacted in a step that your they'll [TS]

02:15:14   never come out and say whether that's true or not whether he actually did [TS]

02:15:16   those things but what they could line up said well there's elements of truth in [TS]

02:15:20   these things probably happen maybe not the way he said but the the consensus it [TS]

02:15:25   seemed was that this is sort of as much bullshit as it was truth right which to [TS]

02:15:29   me is by me that's that's what storytelling is and that's what he was a [TS]

02:15:32   storyteller yeah and it seems like it's setup where he's repeatedly you know he [TS]

02:15:42   works in British intelligence during world war 2 that the bulk of the movie [TS]

02:15:48   series and just comes up with clever his old job is to come up with clever ideas [TS]

02:15:56   to screw the germans but he he keeps wanting to get sent out into the field [TS]

02:16:01   and it isn't allowed to and then you know it said today that his home the [TS]

02:16:07   whole reason he wrote the bonds series have a guy like him but does get a [TS]

02:16:11   little bit of exploring those fantasies about the character I forget her name [TS]

02:16:18   but the Moneypenny like woman works with his before his boss [TS]

02:16:26   who is almost too uncannily like the original Moneypenny in the movies which [TS]

02:16:32   must have been that the head to be intentional I think it's absolutely no I [TS]

02:16:38   think it's over the top intentional I would be surprised if I don't know I [TS]

02:16:42   don't know haven't looked it up yet but I would be surprised at that part of it [TS]

02:16:45   for example is just purely fiction but it's so tough to tell his so much of [TS]

02:16:51   that era of his life is at him telling the stories yeah my bottom line on [TS]

02:16:55   Fleming is for anybody if you love bond and you like you like bond you should [TS]

02:17:00   watch especially while free on Netflix and if you're not if you like I like [TS]

02:17:04   bond it was everything or nothing [TS]

02:17:09   the documentary yeah that was disappointing to really well I liked it [TS]

02:17:13   but again I wouldn't recommend it for anybody who wasn't a big fan I would say [TS]

02:17:18   if you've seen everywhere nearly every bond movie you'd probably like Fleming [TS]

02:17:23   you probably like everything I know I take it back now that I think about it [TS]

02:17:27   more I think everything I think I think I miss remembering off the top of my [TS]

02:17:31   head I think I actually really liked everything I enjoyed it and I if for [TS]

02:17:36   nothing else to hear and be get to talk about in hindsight the way he acted and [TS]

02:17:42   his role in the bond universe that's worth the price of admission [TS]

02:17:46   yeah I totally take it back now that I think about it cuz that's the one I [TS]

02:17:49   remember it's the one where in addition to some great stuff with lies in be I [TS]

02:17:56   thought there was really really great stuff with peers process oh yeah he was [TS]

02:18:03   talking about here he says I forget the exact he says but he pretty much comes [TS]

02:18:07   right out and says on camera that after after goldeneye he doesn't really [TS]

02:18:13   remember the differences between the movies here there are more or less the [TS]

02:18:15   same the differences but that he can't remember which one was which right right [TS]

02:18:21   yeah that's what I mean that there's no other like he remembers you know who was [TS]

02:18:25   in the [TS]

02:18:26   and the members they can't you know which ones the world is not enough which [TS]

02:18:30   one is you know is that that era I have the same problem I remember going to [TS]

02:18:36   have very very clean everything after that for him i dont number which I don't [TS]

02:18:40   remember who was there with him three of them are four of them now go look it up [TS]

02:18:49   Goldeneye Tomorrow Never Dies three I'm gonna be 500 is highest for you might be [TS]

02:19:01   right so there was goldeneye yeah 85 tomorrow never dies [TS]

02:19:05   ninety-seven that the one with the news right [TS]

02:19:12   yeah the the report murdoch yeah the rupert murdoch guy and Teri Hatcher as [TS]

02:19:18   like an old girlfriend who's now back in this life she was dating then there's [TS]

02:19:23   the world is not enough that was where Richard yeah and then die another day [TS]

02:19:29   that's right there were very right I think that was how he barry and I think [TS]

02:19:34   that was also the invisible car [TS]

02:19:42   impossible but it's funny wanna talk about the spektr could tell these you [TS]

02:19:50   know those those those other titles are so empty tomorrow never dies the world [TS]

02:19:55   is not enough time their day they sound like Bond movies but they sound like [TS]

02:20:00   what they are buying movies there are indistinguishable from yeah exactly like [TS]

02:20:06   die another day tomorrow never dies so if you told me that the plot of Die [TS]

02:20:10   Another Day was tomorrow never dies I would say I would believe you if you [TS]

02:20:13   told me the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies was in fact that plot of Die Another Day [TS]

02:20:18   I would believe you I get the title means nothing if anything that happened [TS]

02:20:22   the same day with the world is not enough [TS]

02:20:24   you told me the world is not enough is the one with rupert murdoch I would say [TS]

02:20:28   that makes sense because it's like he wanted to take over the world I don't [TS]

02:20:33   know but it's not [TS]

02:20:34   whereas if you told me that dr. no was about a crazy German guy who wants to [TS]

02:20:41   steal all the gold important though you know you told me that diamonds are [TS]

02:20:49   forever which a lot of people don't even like you know diamonds are forever was [TS]

02:20:54   about a guy who who had a crazy tank that looked like a monster on an island [TS]

02:21:09   in Jamaica I would be like no doctor no goldfinger that that meant something to [TS]

02:21:19   the plot right diamonds are them in some Moonraker that indefinitely meant [TS]

02:21:23   something to say what you will about Moonraker [TS]

02:21:25   title meant something but tomorrow never dies [TS]

02:21:28   Skyfall Skyfall you know it breaks a pattern where it's not named after like [TS]

02:21:32   the bad guy or the MacGuffin but it's about the character you know you'll [TS]

02:21:37   never like thirty forty years from now we're not going to forget which one [TS]

02:21:40   Skyfall killers yeah Quantum of Solace Quantum of Solace fails that test the [TS]

02:21:47   song test now the title test and and and the song test it is and you have the [TS]

02:21:54   sound cards maybe it was it was Chris Cornell but not not full on soundgarden [TS]

02:22:01   I think [TS]

02:22:03   I would say passes test but Skyfall that that song like that still stands on the [TS]

02:22:09   radio [TS]

02:22:10   yeah when you're out shopping or something like that still gets on that [TS]

02:22:16   he confuses them and so i would tell I would totally recommend the world know [TS]

02:22:22   what's the documentary everything because that's that's where we learned [TS]

02:22:27   to hate to put you on production stood for everything or nothing huge revealed [TS]

02:22:33   to me yet same here I didn't and it cuz I just knew I always confuse me that it [TS]

02:22:38   didn't seem like it had any kind of reference to the initials of cubby [TS]

02:22:42   broccoli or the other guy who was original co-producing part yeah yeah [TS]

02:22:50   Harry Saltzman yeah that's a million people in this right now like angry but [TS]

02:22:59   they're not able to have their voices heard when we're trying to struggle to [TS]

02:23:03   remember these things we need a life we need to live audience should be able to [TS]

02:23:07   yelling at their phones right now its salts man died when I said before we [TS]

02:23:13   wrap up keep the show short I do I want to talk to you because you've got a new [TS]

02:23:18   thing so you got anything [TS]

02:23:20   you've been doing for a couple weeks couple months that iran better elevation [TS]

02:23:24   podcast used to have a blog we have a blog called better yeah this is I guess [TS]

02:23:28   that's why I went from it being a blog to it being this other thing and it is [TS]

02:23:33   it coincide does it coincide with the end of unprofessional I guess we're just [TS]

02:23:39   like a direct I mean there's like a chronological I had this availability I [TS]

02:23:46   was thinking about what I could do creatively but there's no like this led [TS]

02:23:50   to that kind of a causal relationship you're doing a show on YouTube do you [TS]

02:23:55   consider yourself a youtuber [TS]

02:23:57   just today I i signed approval no pro account mostly because they had this [TS]

02:24:01   this deals for Black Friday deal where you bought its 200 bucks a year from you [TS]

02:24:06   approach count and that their deals if you buy the one-year membership the pro [TS]

02:24:11   account for $20 they would give you a $20 gift card to be an age which is a [TS]

02:24:15   photography electronic store here in New York and I need to buy some more [TS]

02:24:20   equipment so this was like wow I'm gonna spend that money anyway [TS]

02:24:25   rolling my eyes thinking about our sponsors as we don't really have anybody [TS]

02:24:28   says gadgets even in the rotation sponsors but being a tie is a fantastic [TS]

02:24:33   store they have amazing prices amazing amazing service in this crazy like [TS]

02:24:40   pneumatic tube system for sending things down to how to explain it in the [TS]

02:24:45   confines of a nice short podcast like that yeah I've never been there in [TS]

02:24:49   person but I've heard it's cool it's pretty amazing it's like when your kid [TS]

02:24:54   like the the drive-up teller at the bank and they had when I was a kid I was so [TS]

02:24:59   fascinated by the my imagination went nuts like there must be a chocolate [TS]

02:25:04   factory back there where willy wonka we're sending money through tubes and [TS]

02:25:09   sometimes can you would come through when they noticed there's a kid my car [TS]

02:25:11   and that it's kind of like being in the Chocolate Factory watching the tubes go [TS]

02:25:16   over your head and it's like being managed you want like an obscure lands [TS]

02:25:20   for like a Canon and Nikon [TS]

02:25:22   everything you're doing this episode 566 and there are 56 minutes long and it's [TS]

02:25:35   so it's sort of the opposite of like this show which is two hours of complain [TS]

02:25:47   about that it's unstructured and goes on it's five minutes very tightly scripted [TS]

02:25:54   and then edited monologue yeah and a couple weeks ago I i didnt episode about [TS]

02:26:02   podcasting about what I thought the problem of podcasting is and it is [TS]

02:26:08   almost impossible to say it here on this show because it's the show but it it [TS]

02:26:13   sort of seems like there's the talk show and then there's a bunch of shows that [TS]

02:26:17   kind of followed the template of the talk show and even even on things that [TS]

02:26:22   I've done I've tried to never do a podcast about work stuff done podcast by [TS]

02:26:28   design they even under very very specifically not talking about now that [TS]

02:26:31   was the whole premise of unprofessional was that it was here somebody whose work [TS]

02:26:35   we admire in whatever field and we are our ground rules for the episode is that [TS]

02:26:41   we are not going to talk about that work [TS]

02:26:43   yeah that's the one we can talk about anything but work and sometimes it would [TS]

02:26:46   be crazy stuff like talking to somebody about like no elephant genitalia because [TS]

02:26:51   that was just where the conversation round up with multi multi tracking that [TS]

02:26:56   would be like to eat people did you know you never know where the conversation [TS]

02:26:59   going to take you and that's kind of what it's like to be in a bar and talk [TS]

02:27:02   to people I'm surprised frankly whatever they give multi multi so intimately [TS]

02:27:17   familiar with the old thing where there's like three black guys feeling an [TS]

02:27:20   elephant [TS]

02:27:21   call this a different things you know it's a tree trunk its would be right at [TS]

02:27:29   any time in its elephant and it's a man to mail I don't recognize that anywhere [TS]

02:27:40   grapefruit sized probably bigger than I have honestly have no idea [TS]

02:27:46   clearly not familiar with it I think that I think the timing was about how [TS]

02:27:51   they they were or were not reconcile not appear why would they be pretty they're [TS]

02:27:59   huge I don't know because they can gurus can cause they are getting way out yeah [TS]

02:28:10   and I only know this was at a zoo in Australia in there are some kangaroos [TS]

02:28:14   going at it like it was like the King drew on top of the female cambrian it [TS]

02:28:19   was like it was kind of feeling around down there trying to find where to go [TS]

02:28:21   and it was it was a very illuminating and disturbing women should be just as [TS]

02:28:26   well known as the pouches and your kids in school [TS]

02:28:32   younger brother and he was told kiddies in college he was taken to the [TS]

02:28:42   Philadelphia Zoo and we were at the turtle exhibit and these turtles they [TS]

02:28:46   have signs I mean these turtles are like some of the mail is like 85 years old [TS]

02:28:50   roomies ancient superb and when you know right up behind the female and just [TS]

02:28:57   right after I forget if it was the male and female or was it is impossible to [TS]

02:29:04   tell because neither of their mouths really [TS]

02:29:06   one of them was really really get into it audibly I mean its broad daylight [TS]

02:29:12   open and I would say ten or fifteen feet away from the railing and these these [TS]

02:29:17   big 34 foot grand turtles and screw it right there and open and all these kids [TS]

02:29:27   are so many kids and all the kids are saying what are they doing is here and [TS]

02:29:36   questioned kids are really like you know like something was clearly going on and [TS]

02:29:41   it was noisy genuine concern right and for the most part this turtle don't even [TS]

02:29:45   move and this the mail this hurdle is really going and it was one of the [TS]

02:29:52   better it was like the reasons exist because it's what you watched you will [TS]

02:29:56   head to the a five-year hurled have added or do you turn around and watch [TS]

02:30:01   all the parents try to decide what I do like some of the parents were clearly of [TS]

02:30:07   the let's just pretend this is nothing you know let's get real Catholic about [TS]

02:30:14   this and just going to denial that this is going on and other parents were more [TS]

02:30:18   of the sort of liberal open minded I don't want to act as though this is [TS]

02:30:24   anything to be embarrassed about I'm going you know how to explain this to my [TS]

02:30:27   kid in a sort of mature professional and and there's no way you can do the way [TS]

02:30:33   that you could talk to like a 10 year old kid in a serious way about turtles [TS]

02:30:36   who are having having sex it becomes a medicine [TS]

02:30:39   your watching people watching animals would be a good bond movie title turtles [TS]

02:30:43   having sex I'd watch it now but yet but your pot that's one of the things that [TS]

02:30:50   I've had it in my notes for the next time you run the show talk about the [TS]

02:30:54   podcast you called it podcast intervention [TS]

02:30:57   yeah it just seems like we've had a lot of really smart people and a lot of very [TS]

02:31:02   talented people but we kind of fallen into and when I say we I mean like you [TS]

02:31:08   know the Apple tech community the world at large in the technique in within our [TS]

02:31:14   bubble has a lot of people kinda doin' variations on the same theme and it's [TS]

02:31:19   not that I think people shouldn't do podcast that I think people should do [TS]

02:31:23   more packets I think everybody think it's a great way to communicate ideas [TS]

02:31:26   and broadcast them I just wish that we would maybe try some other stuff too and [TS]

02:31:31   maybe try some variation in the way we approach podcast we work together you [TS]

02:31:36   know you know you know we work together on this show you edit the show for those [TS]

02:31:39   who don't know Dave edits the show Dave even handles the sponsorship sales out [TS]

02:31:45   for the show the talk show i mean it closes there is to know you are you you [TS]

02:31:50   should you should be Creek you do enough work on this show that you should get a [TS]

02:31:53   credit we don't have credits if the show had a kind of visuals there would be [TS]

02:31:57   edited and some kind of maybe even produced by Dave with discredit on the [TS]

02:32:02   talk show so it's no surprise that you're going to say good things about it [TS]

02:32:07   but when I saw that episode of Better elevation I even though you don't [TS]

02:32:12   remember if you mentioned my show that you say good things about the show and [TS]

02:32:16   ATP something about the fact that we you know that the show an ATP work because [TS]

02:32:20   the authors have strong voices that we already knew and I we get to him in [TS]

02:32:24   another context something it's it's the already knew part it's you would you [TS]

02:32:28   listen and talk show not because you heard there's a thing called the talks [TS]

02:32:31   on through podcast you're probably asking to talk show because we doing [TS]

02:32:34   fireball guy who knows I know I just assume that for us popular is the show [TS]

02:32:40   has gotten I just assume that it's it's a subset of the people who read fireball [TS]

02:32:45   that there are very maybe there are some that I'd love to hear from you but if [TS]

02:32:49   there are people who don't like doing fireball but do you like the show [TS]

02:32:52   but I do I do kind of feel like it's sort of like it's funny to start time [TS]

02:32:57   some of these things together but I think it's in the way that Fleming only [TS]

02:33:00   works if you're already a Bond fan there to talk show only works if you're [TS]

02:33:05   already a daring fireball fan [TS]

02:33:07   well yeah you you've referred to the talk show was the hike the director's [TS]

02:33:10   commentary track but what I saw your your better elevation it even though [TS]

02:33:15   your complimentary towards the show I took it as you know I took it as as [TS]

02:33:23   motivation that why don't I up the game I do feel like I'm incredibly lazy with [TS]

02:33:28   the format of the show that I was more I could do we could do anything you know i [TS]

02:33:32   think thats a healthier response and really like I i kinda pissing people off [TS]

02:33:36   and some people thought that I was attacking one person or another I don't [TS]

02:33:41   get all of that but the night when I mentioned on the in the video that we [TS]

02:33:47   have multiple podcast networks that are run by a white dude who was on more than [TS]

02:33:53   one of those shows close if not every show on the network then almost every [TS]

02:33:58   show on the network and it's really easy to assume that I'm talking about the [TS]

02:34:02   fact that there are more than one there's more than one person that I [TS]

02:34:05   could be talking about this kind of what I'm talking about right it's not like I [TS]

02:34:08   guess anything particular to do with Leo Laporte or Dan Benjamin Orr [TS]

02:34:12   even Moises for somebody like that or Mike Hurley ordinary or are there so [TS]

02:34:19   many to choose from and that's kind of what I'm talking about where we might [TS]

02:34:23   have a hundred podcasts but it seems like it may be the same twenty people [TS]

02:34:26   doing all 100 of them and then again that's not even necessarily about the [TS]

02:34:30   problems with any one of those people at any one of the shows that you can say [TS]

02:34:34   that vague phrase you know white dude from the tech world who's on a bunch of [TS]

02:34:39   shows and it can apply to so many yet in any one of those shows and when those [TS]

02:34:43   people their quality shows quality people do most of them are friends of [TS]

02:34:46   mine people that I would speak very highly of them in their shows in their [TS]

02:34:49   approach to their work [TS]

02:34:50   Mike really I talk to a lot even before like I sent him the script for the show [TS]

02:34:53   and we talked a lot about the state of podcasting and what what could be done [TS]

02:34:56   to push things forward he's got a great ideas and I really do think that he's a [TS]

02:35:01   voice for for positive change there but at a macro level when you zoom out and [TS]

02:35:06   you start to see a lot of like it's like the second time threads together they [TS]

02:35:11   use them out and attack of the clones and you see just a sea of blue and green [TS]

02:35:16   light sabers that wouldn't look great you start to see the problem with only [TS]

02:35:19   two colors yep that's more colors in there and I'm worried that as our sphere [TS]

02:35:24   of influence grows we're not really adding anything else to it like working [TS]

02:35:28   with the same ingredients yeah I worry that we and by we I mean me since I have [TS]

02:35:35   popular show and I really have an audience and I'm not doing any where [TS]

02:35:39   near enough to exercise any sort of muscles to play with the form it's you [TS]

02:35:46   know hit record and we've got plenty of the talk about and I think that it's you [TS]

02:35:51   know I'm based on feedback from people in the fact that you know the the [TS]

02:35:54   download numbers for the show are going up there they're going up faster than [TS]

02:35:59   traffic at different fireball fireball is sort of Pete readership wise at least [TS]

02:36:04   in terms of things you can measure but the show is gaining popularity and I [TS]

02:36:08   think it's because I have gotten so many interesting people on who have [TS]

02:36:12   interesting things to say but the forum is incredibly lazy get somebody [TS]

02:36:17   interesting on the other end [TS]

02:36:18   hit record for two hours and then you know has it over to Dave to get the [TS]

02:36:23   levels fix the mistakes cut out whereas we could do anything you know do [TS]

02:36:29   something like cereal or whatever [TS]

02:36:31   yeah people were in that discussion about podcast over the last couple of [TS]

02:36:36   weeks and I keep hearing the same phrase repeated which is podcasts are or are [TS]

02:36:44   the new blogs which I disagree with because with a blog post presumably you [TS]

02:36:49   would come up with an idea and you think through it and you had ended and refine [TS]

02:36:53   it and you'd go through a few drafts whereas on a podcast you on the [TS]

02:36:58   landscape it's more like sitting down and recorded conversation so it's not [TS]

02:37:02   that podcast with new blogs it's more like podcasts are the new I am logs [TS]

02:37:08   it's a conversation there's nothing wrong with that my my only argument is [TS]

02:37:11   over I think we could also be doing other things to push it forward [TS]

02:37:15   yeah I told her that I I like for example I and I'm not that nobody has [TS]

02:37:21   ever done but like for something like WWDC you know instead of just doing one [TS]

02:37:26   big show or like I've done last couple years like the live show which I could [TS]

02:37:30   still do but why not in the course of the week do you know a couple of fifteen [TS]

02:37:34   minute episodes just with you know new stuff I don't have time on day one to do [TS]

02:37:40   a real episode of the show why can't I have something they hit the feed-in goes [TS]

02:37:44   the podcast things which is like a 10 minute overview ya around segments [TS]

02:37:49   rather than a conversation right and it would be you know in lieu Stearns cos [TS]

02:37:53   the analogy doesn't hold prolong but it'd be like the way that on during [TS]

02:37:56   fireball it's not just big long articles it in fact most of it is real short [TS]

02:38:01   links to other things why couldn't the feed for the talk show have a bunch of [TS]

02:38:05   little things in it [TS]

02:38:06   yeah yeah and so it was Jason Snell was unprofessional months ago and we had [TS]

02:38:13   this sort of matter discussion about podcasting and what it all means and i [TS]

02:38:18   was thinkin about video and how [TS]

02:38:21   you are you have you know a decent podcast the that gets a fair bit of [TS]

02:38:26   traffic you're getting a 10,000 people listening to an episode but you put a [TS]

02:38:30   YouTube video in tens or hundreds of thousands of views because it means [TS]

02:38:35   abuse there's people out there with with YouTube channels that have twenty to [TS]

02:38:40   thirty million subscribers to say nothing of the views they get your [TS]

02:38:43   subscribers people who are actively subscribe to that channel and it just [TS]

02:38:47   seems like there's this huge audience for this kind of content that maybe were [TS]

02:38:52   just not tapped into for whatever reason and that sort of thing about that and I [TS]

02:38:56   decided that whatever I do next I want I want to try something new I want to push [TS]

02:39:00   the boundaries but I don't feel like we've been pushing and something that I [TS]

02:39:04   definitely feel I haven't pushed yeah I'm pretty sure the way to do video i [TS]

02:39:09   think is not the let's just record a podcast and will also let the camera on [TS]

02:39:15   our computer stream as well we record a podcast you know what I mean like that [TS]

02:39:23   show was just them filming while they were recording the radio show [TS]

02:39:29   yeah it was a little bit higher production values you know I'm thinking [TS]

02:39:33   like like I know some people like it some people actually like it but like [TS]

02:39:38   the way that with Leo's shows the guests are all you know there's also a you know [TS]

02:39:43   they're they're recording audio but they also have and some of the people are in [TS]

02:39:47   studio and it works a little bit more as it looks a little bit more like a [TS]

02:39:51   regular TV thing but like like whenever I've been on you know Mac break we clear [TS]

02:39:56   something like that it's just a stupid view of me here in my home office [TS]

02:39:59   computer with headphones on and to me that's it's not really adding anything [TS]

02:40:06   to me it's almost distracting I feel like I would never enjoyed listening to [TS]

02:40:09   it [TS]

02:40:10   watching this show like I don't want to see the guys record ATP that would I [TS]

02:40:15   would gain nothing from that whereas I do think though that in theory there is [TS]

02:40:20   something that they TTP guys could do that would be video but it's a different [TS]

02:40:24   thing right right [TS]

02:40:26   and that's where I get excited about the idea of video as a medium and it's a [TS]

02:40:30   funny to talk about this as if it's like some new frontier that we've just [TS]

02:40:33   discovered whereas your son who was 10 already knows everything about you too [TS]

02:40:39   and that's just like the world he lives in and that you're not somebody into [TS]

02:40:42   your YouTube channel [TS]

02:40:43   well and it's funny cause it's something you know it gets to the the weird notion [TS]

02:40:47   that you have to have a name for a thing and that that the name for a thing can [TS]

02:40:51   affect the way people feel and see approach it you know and that it was [TS]

02:40:57   possible to do what is exactly known as blogging before the word blog weblog [TS]

02:41:01   call it hit but it was only after we had a name for it that we all kind of agreed [TS]

02:41:07   that you'd make posts and they would you know top-down chronological order that [TS]

02:41:14   it made the whole thing take off and yeah people were doing what we now call [TS]

02:41:18   podcasts before the word podcasts existed I mean they were doing it before [TS]

02:41:22   there was even an iPod which is where the podcast come from and I remember the [TS]

02:41:30   first show I ever did was Shawn King's your Mac life and that was it was after [TS]

02:41:37   during fireball started as a 2002 but the tech is only twelve years ago but [TS]

02:41:43   the tech was told that there was no like way to do it over the internet I [TS]

02:41:46   actually like a telephone call in and we talked for like two hours I think we [TS]

02:41:52   need to be a template for this kind of thing yeah you know in the wave it logs [TS]

02:41:59   sort of became a thing after cocky enduring fireball like we had a template [TS]

02:42:04   weekend in New how that worked and so that that seems like a thing I [TS]

02:42:07   understand it I can I can do that not the same level of quality but I can make [TS]

02:42:11   a thing to that pattern and it is not that there's anything wrong with [TS]

02:42:15   following the pattern it's that after a while if new new pattern start to emerge [TS]

02:42:19   then maybe better problem yeah I think part of it you know if you want to have [TS]

02:42:24   something that I would you call for like a tumblr for podcasts more or less yeah [TS]

02:42:28   there's there's no they drop in easy system it seems like in the same way [TS]

02:42:33   that anybody could sit down in front [TS]

02:42:35   tumblr Foursquare space and and just make a website there's no way to do that [TS]

02:42:39   for podcasts and it seems like there should be it seems like there should be [TS]

02:42:42   really great software for making podcast because everybody who write software has [TS]

02:42:48   a podcast now you think that this just happen [TS]

02:42:51   yeah I almost feel like the part podcast has become known as just two people or [TS]

02:42:55   or or a panel of people just turning on record in talking and that the name and [TS]

02:43:00   the word itself is sort of limited the idea of what it what it can be [TS]

02:43:04   whereas if we just called them shows it would be a little bit more open-ended [TS]

02:43:08   and might be nice people more to do it also the word podcast has this vibe of [TS]

02:43:14   dirty texting maybe I don't know I think it definitely has a sort of amateur ring [TS]

02:43:21   to it just like mom did and it will will and will continue to wear off as more [TS]

02:43:27   and more [TS]

02:43:28   podcast get better production lies and more and more people with you know like [TS]

02:43:32   and PR you know I like the millions of people who listen to cereal which is [TS]

02:43:38   podcast yeah but it's a great example of what you could be doing with the medium [TS]

02:43:43   it was funny to me as audio is a medium is older than movies at older than TV [TS]

02:43:47   that we're not looking at that as the template is interesting to me in Kabul [TS]

02:43:56   they're doing radio plays and that kind of thing you'd like to show my curly in [TS]

02:44:04   case you missed talking about real life stuff these these issues that are kind [TS]

02:44:08   of if the format isn't pushing the boundary that it was the subject matter [TS]

02:44:11   is and that's why I'd love to see more of that but also I'd like to see people [TS]

02:44:16   trying things that are just audio but there are other things we could be doing [TS]

02:44:21   and we have in the same way that we it's it's so easy to sit down to a computer [TS]

02:44:28   and put something on the internet you typed out where the recorded in an audio [TS]

02:44:32   it sits in fact even easier as bad as [TS]

02:44:36   as weird as it is that the tools don't exist to make podcasting easier it's [TS]

02:44:40   even weirder that we're not doing more video when those tools do exist for [TS]

02:44:44   video I feel like it's an editing problem to them they feel like the tools [TS]

02:44:49   to make these will come eventually they'll probably come sooner rather than [TS]

02:44:53   later but I feel like it's more than just about hitting record and then [TS]

02:44:58   hitting stop and then somehow being able to quickly post what happened in between [TS]

02:45:03   hitting accordance top like I'm not saying its quality anything but the [TS]

02:45:09   tools for editing and posting video from your phone [TS]

02:45:13   way better than podcast yeah I think it's funny that we've got these super [TS]

02:45:16   high-def cameras and there's always a big push every year when the new iPhone [TS]

02:45:19   comes out we talk about the camera but there's been no major advancement to the [TS]

02:45:23   microphone technology right like nobody would recommend nobody would recommend [TS]

02:45:29   using the built-in mic on an iPhone whereas you could record pretty pretty [TS]

02:45:34   damn good video with ya but they have the audio notoriously terrible I found [TS]

02:45:39   you are going to spend all this damn money on a Canon 5d Mark III and I find [TS]

02:45:45   that when when I'm on vacation from traveling I just shoot from my iPhone [TS]

02:45:50   because those videos US dollar yeah especially with a post-processing to the [TS]

02:45:55   video you can really get pretty fairly you know I get to where professionals a [TS]

02:45:59   little loaded as a pretty close to what we know what better than you can get [TS]

02:46:05   better than what used to be considered professional video pretty quickly right [TS]

02:46:08   yeah definitely [TS]

02:46:10   and professionally loaded but ok so the video from my phone I probably wouldn't [TS]

02:46:16   put into the next James Bond movie but it works great on my YouTube channel [TS]

02:46:21   the shots look fantastic and I don't mean it looks great in an amateur this [TS]

02:46:25   is something I threw together we can kind of like you know on that side [TS]

02:46:29   screen and that's that kind of format that kind of content it works [TS]

02:46:33   brilliantly as high def video there's definitely something intimate about [TS]

02:46:39   video to that is different and I tell you honestly I I sometimes have trouble [TS]

02:46:43   watching [TS]

02:46:44   better elevation videos because I know you do it it's in a way that I have a [TS]

02:46:53   lot of trouble listening to my own voice and show it was up to [TS]

02:46:57   was up to me I couldn't edit this show because I just can't bring myself to [TS]

02:47:01   listen to it I can listen to parts of it and you know I've done enough for enough [TS]

02:47:05   years that it doesn't factor but it's it's really hard and I've ever seen on [TS]

02:47:12   Letterman like Johnny Depp is one of these actors who professes that he never [TS]

02:47:16   watches his own yeah and I used it I used to think that was bullshit nice to [TS]

02:47:21   think just being falsely modest but actually think it's true now I think [TS]

02:47:25   depending on your mind that you just can't bear to watch yourself kid enjoy [TS]

02:47:30   it you can't see it the way other people do and it's like I kind of get that [TS]

02:47:34   feeling when I watch your better elevation videos because I know if I [TS]

02:47:37   didn't know you wouldn't occur to me you would just be this guy saying this [TS]

02:47:40   interesting thing on a video but because I know you it's like wait that's dave [TS]

02:47:45   and its like looking at the camera guy mentioned something about being a little [TS]

02:47:50   weirded out like ours I was staring directly in my car is making eye contact [TS]

02:47:53   with him but I think it's because I know you I don't know but like your most [TS]

02:47:58   recent one you did without you being on camera was entirely visuals yeah it's [TS]

02:48:07   like it's all sort of almost looks like slide where it was done in the style of [TS]

02:48:11   my gotta give credit to have done in the style of CGP grey videos [TS]

02:48:14   yeah and that that as an influence is written all over it if you've ever seen [TS]

02:48:18   anything that degrades done pretty obviously and his style and it was [TS]

02:48:22   partly in a modern is partly me kind of playing around with it and I realized [TS]

02:48:27   that I had started to get into into habits with like the the way I was [TS]

02:48:31   handling jump shots in the way of doing anything on the chilly I thought like [TS]

02:48:34   well this is still really early in the whole point is to be experimenting so [TS]

02:48:37   let's try something new maybe it can be terrible maybe it's gonna be on [TS]

02:48:40   watchable but I'm going to try something new and it works it works so called how [TS]

02:48:45   to make a hit up I found that went to prison listen to or watch you know like [TS]

02:48:51   it went down like butter whereas all the ones where you're on camera to me now [TS]

02:48:54   because there you're bad [TS]

02:48:56   threshold it's because I know you there's something weird about that [TS]

02:49:00   'cause i'm looking longingly into your eyes through your computer screen I [TS]

02:49:04   don't know it's the way they whenever you see somebody you know on a video [TS]

02:49:08   doesn't it to have a weird effect on you you know like I had seen Letterman [TS]

02:49:13   thousands of times over the years but like if somebody I knew was on Letterman [TS]

02:49:18   its weird like it's weird when I see Clint Morris on TV [TS]

02:49:21   yeah right I can see that you may be right now I'm just sort of thinking out [TS]

02:49:27   loud but those johnnie I videos that they've shown ever Apple releases a new [TS]

02:49:31   product that same video he's talking about the aluminium and how the thing is [TS]

02:49:37   contoured in the what ever imagined the whole time is talking he's staring right [TS]

02:49:42   maybe a little off-putting so maybe there is an element to there's an [TS]

02:49:47   intimacy too I contacted not necessarily good or bad but there might be something [TS]

02:49:54   to that [TS]

02:49:55   yeah maybe there's some kind of psychology but like you know the nightly [TS]

02:49:58   news guys all look the camera the teleprompter set up so that it looks [TS]

02:50:01   like they're looking at the camera [TS]

02:50:03   yeah and I think it's maybe a instructional vs informative I don't [TS]

02:50:08   know maybe there's gotta be sure somebody's done studies I don't know if [TS]

02:50:12   this stuff up doing john stuart is the first half of the show looking right at [TS]

02:50:16   the camera that's true could be about the distance from the camera to the [TS]

02:50:21   length of time but that's often a tweet where should be go where you're not [TS]

02:50:26   married to YouTube in particular that you might be switching to Vimeo its [TS]

02:50:29   video not switching I'm just trying to add you to my knows a thing and 44 [TS]

02:50:33   search ability YouTube is the second largest search engine and that's that's [TS]

02:50:38   a real thing and I don't want to miss out on the kids in their YouTube but [TS]

02:50:42   also some people just pay YouTube that's understandable position and if that's [TS]

02:50:49   the case now I'm on Vimeo cuz I get that killer deal so both trying to try to [TS]

02:50:54   make some stuff and see what works and [TS]

02:50:56   you know when it comes to words like it's interesting to me with the kids I [TS]

02:51:01   hear the word youtuber and to me it sounds dismissive I would be hesitant to [TS]

02:51:06   say that your YouTube right now because I don't want to I don't have it sounds [TS]

02:51:11   to me like I'm insulting him calling when people call deuce Heather Armstrong [TS]

02:51:16   mommy bloggers like a writer she's a really good one but it's you know [TS]

02:51:22   somehow everything new I think sounds novel and diminutive like I'm sure the [TS]

02:51:27   word for certain abbreviating television is TV it it's forties or fifties it [TS]

02:51:33   sounded like dismissive it's just TV where is that word right who was born in [TS]

02:51:40   the air over TV is just almost unimaginably dominant dominating [TS]

02:51:45   cultural force it just is what it is you know the color coded anything and it [TS]

02:51:50   would just seem awesome because TV is awesome you know I used to reject the [TS]

02:51:55   word blog really not a good word to me he's I stuck with calling them web blogs [TS]

02:52:01   for as long as I could but now it's been long enough that it's you know it it no [TS]

02:52:05   longer feels like anything and I feel a youtuber is that way and I've noticed [TS]

02:52:09   with Jonas Lake you know who watches obsessive amount of you to be watches [TS]

02:52:13   farmer YouTube then he watches commercial television and youtuber is [TS]

02:52:19   just as no plus or minus me at all it just means somebody who's shows you can [TS]

02:52:25   watch on you too you know there's this really cool democratization of content [TS]

02:52:33   affect where this is sort of like this was our dream right [TS]

02:52:36   did the internets dream was that anybody could make stuff and just put it out [TS]

02:52:39   there and play music with some friends now and we're talking about a woman [TS]

02:52:45   nineties if you wanted to make a video that be seen by anybody want to make a [TS]

02:52:50   record you had a record deal yet have all this money it costs a fortune now [TS]

02:52:54   like we could we could record a song and make the video for the song on iTunes in [TS]

02:52:59   the video on YouTube by the end of the day [TS]

02:53:01   well the big thing I remember from the nineties was pressing around CDs and [TS]

02:53:05   being given them out you know if you're big enough to even be booked at a venue [TS]

02:53:10   than you give yourself at the venue where you're still below that you [TS]

02:53:14   college campuses and stuff set up shop somewhere and just hand them out people [TS]

02:53:19   yeah now we we live in this this time where you can just make stuff and put on [TS]

02:53:24   the internet and it's there for anybody and that's really cool and it seems like [TS]

02:53:28   the people the most creative in the most talented in the people with the access [TS]

02:53:32   to the best equipment and technology could maybe be the ones making the best [TS]

02:53:38   content doesn't necessarily seem to always be that way [TS]

02:53:41   yeah and the last thing I really hit me about that and ties into your podcasting [TS]

02:53:46   episode the podcast intervention episode is it ties into the head first if you're [TS]

02:53:52   older and you're used to the words comes the new stuff seems amateur you know [TS]

02:53:57   like whether it's blogging for writing your YouTube videos five-minute YouTube [TS]

02:54:01   videos for video and it just seems like the lesser this is the the self self [TS]

02:54:09   publish this is where the people who can't make it in the real world going [TS]

02:54:16   you know pretend like they're doing it and then you open your mind realize it [TS]

02:54:21   you know the good stuff could be coming from anywhere and you realize that the [TS]

02:54:24   new format is the one that has the most freedom are you don't have to do it in [TS]

02:54:29   30 minute increments because you're based on this TV model where everything [TS]

02:54:32   has to be 30 60 90 minutes long to fit in the schedule and you can do something [TS]

02:54:38   like say I have a six-minute essay on making it out and it can be exactly six [TS]

02:54:45   minutes long which is exactly what I feel like if there's anything I've done [TS]

02:54:50   you know successfully with form with caring fireball it's it's right in a [TS]

02:54:55   forum where if I need if I need a thousand words I can use thousands of I [TS]

02:55:00   need three thousand words I can use three thousand words [TS]

02:55:02   and if I can make my point with three words I use three words and you could [TS]

02:55:06   never do that in the print world you couldn't have you know Paul Krugman's [TS]

02:55:10   column in The New York Times can't be seven words long has to you know has to [TS]

02:55:14   be exhibited 50 words or 357 fifty yeah and I look it your stuff and when Marco [TS]

02:55:22   stuff and Jason's now stuff and it seems especially the three of you in [TS]

02:55:26   particular it strikes me that you guys have these voices that people listen to [TS]

02:55:30   and got these shows like literally voices the people listen to it and there [TS]

02:55:34   is an authority and legitimacy to that and it would be cool to see that kind of [TS]

02:55:40   weight put behind yeah yeah I think maybe even the word intervention and [TS]

02:55:49   maybe it came off a little bit more than I no like I was condemning something [TS]

02:55:54   that I meant for it to but they might my whole point my the whole spirit of this [TS]

02:55:58   is like I just want to try new stuff stuff because I think that a lot of [TS]

02:56:03   really smart really talented people with a lot of pretty advanced technology in [TS]

02:56:07   their pockets right where is the best place them where is the one place people [TS]

02:56:11   can go see a couple episodes of Better elevation youtube.com / better elevation [TS]

02:56:16   orbitz.com such better elevation or better elevation [TS]

02:56:21   yeah I think that I think that works and jelly genitalia turtles / better [TS]

02:56:28   television / hey let's talk about computers [TS]