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XCIX: ‘The Smoker Channels’, With Merlin Mann

 

  hello hello how are you I'm good how are you you sound like you sound [TS]

  surprisingly good is this is as LTE this is LT you're kidding [TS]

  now how men have Verizon Droid Verizon so that story is that we felt like we [TS]

  were supposed to record 36 minutes ago and I was I was going to be ready when [TS]

  all of a sudden my home internet went out and did a hard stop at nothing [TS]

  loaded and then I started getting her activation paid like what you would get [TS]

  if you have a bit more like if you have a brand new light like brand new stuff [TS]

  you know like you just moved ended cable town like you just moved here you got [TS]

  your comcast box this is what you see but like actually trying to do the [TS]

  activation doesn't doesn't do so you had a good idea we're texting and you told [TS]

  me to use my phone go to the Comcast st. see if they tell you that there's an [TS]

  adage and that it worked I logged into my Comcast account and it gave me a [TS]

  message that says hello John John John the caps and out it has been reported in [TS]

  your area we expect this to be resolved by today and then you you can describe I [TS]

  sent this deal will include this image in the Joe nodes are it somehow in the [TS]

  heart so everybody deserves to enjoy this but Maryland prison historical [TS]

  record can you describe this image [TS]

  sure sure I think it's it's clearly comes from the same grand tradition as [TS]

  the blinking under construction [TS]

  Jeff from back in the day feature is a big white van that says extended right [TS]

  close enough right this is the repair guy and then if you're a stock art guy [TS]

  in a red and black check shirt with a hard hat climbing a yellow ladder right [TS]

  says hi so far so good it is to show you that you expect to be resolved by today [TS]

  it gets interesting though because the latter is situated with a very strange [TS]

  incorrect drop shadow he's basically it appears to be about to fix and 11 foot [TS]

  high orange safety cone it's a lot higher than 11 I think it's about a 15 [TS]

  foot safety orange construction going on the right side of the page that up right [TS]

  at least 10 feet high and another one next to it that's fallen over and this [TS]

  guy on a ladder is he's on a ladder and he's behind the cone is probably about [TS]

  five feet behind the cone climbing a ladder oh and did I mention there's also [TS]

  a dog chasing a cat really subtle part is in the upper right-hand corner for [TS]

  reasons I'm not entirely sure there's a bird flying by [TS]

  you do you really have to see it to appreciate that he looks he looks like [TS]

  he's there to fix the safety cone and they're working on that why why is there [TS]

  a drop shot on everything they aren't ready to drop shadow on the latter has [TS]

  no relationship with the cone that he's theoretically fix it it's just an option [TS]

  we're seeing the cone drop from the sky just right next to where he happens to [TS]

  be climbing a ladder to nothing [TS]

  we're doing it over Lt [TS]

  can't I told you I thought I told you more attention this is nothing its cable [TS]

  company but I swear to Christ every time I see or hear that word Xfinity just to [TS]

  see what I can tell you why I mean in the same way that like 45 NuGen in the [TS]

  late eighties was funny like Xfinity is offensive to me that's their hold their [TS]

  whole branded line of something involving a cable lifestyle in your home [TS]

  is that right for your business I think that's what they would tell you that [TS]

  that's probably probably the exact words that they used that when they came up [TS]

  with the idea that they would stop caught just calling themselves Comcast [TS]

  and that you know that they would that Comcast would be some kind of parent [TS]

  brand for all of their various endeavors now like the Comcast logo now they've [TS]

  they've taken the NBC Peacock it's you know part of their life their content [TS]

  company now that they have NBC they have universal and so like the cable business [TS]

  is is now expanding and I believe that when you do those where do this use [TS]

  probably how they they probably hit the phrase SMB probably for small business [TS]

  distal use the SMB no yeah I i mean i think it's it's you know it's funny cuz [TS]

  you think about the Dropbox came along [TS]

  cash half dozen things that was so mumbling about Dropbox as they were [TS]

  doing something that had been very difficult for a number of reasons to be [TS]

  before not least because being a commodity utility is not interesting and [TS]

  it's not sexy and having dependable you know file sinking in that case was was [TS]

  an unsolved problem that was not funny face had a profitable right so many [TS]

  things inside the fact that the sink actually worked which was my boy let me [TS]

  think about your cable company I'm sure you seen that Kraft's going around about [TS]

  how the cable companies have like come together over the years in the eighties [TS]

  there was like 30 different cable providers and now there's like four or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  so I mention the thinking was like we've got to have some kind of a way to brand [TS]

  the notion of this coaxial cable coming into your house that's gonna give you a [TS]

  suite of services right you get your net connection TV monitor in the part of the [TS]

  austerity package I believe you gave us the coaxial cable were you when you [TS]

  watch sports know this is an entire lifestyle [TS]

  the jury your landline telephone service here and they really want to get the [TS]

  whole package boy you call them up for anything and they really want to get [TS]

  what it would take to put you into a phone today I have it I have them and we [TS]

  don't we don't have a single landline [TS]

  totally hooked up to a phone jack and house so we have a phone number and it [TS]

  never rains but it costs less than if we just had and I don't know I'm do I'm [TS]

  overdue to call them and did go through the pantomime I'm years overdue of the [TS]

  shirt Syracuse surprises you know once you take it like a reminder once a year [TS]

  because you really need to you call them up and say I'm going to cancel my [TS]

  service and then they say oh god now and then they give you know cut you a deal [TS]

  and give you faster service at a lower price you know you're a new customer but [TS]

  if you're like me and you're a dummy and you signed up a couple years ago and you [TS]

  just let it go [TS]

  your your promotional rate and at some point and now you know I paid $200 a [TS]

  month for something I could probably you know a lot of AT&T I need to carefully [TS]

  look at this month's bill that I called them up to I think I was calling partly [TS]

  because we're charged I guess I was also just asking about iPhone update [TS]

  availability anyway I ended up calling them and you know the drill where they [TS]

  like one to talk to you about special offers and stuff like that [TS]

  do it now you know it's the worst but I have to say you know actually AT&T in my [TS]

  experience I don't love that service or company I mean I really don't but the [TS]

  people that you end up talking to a pretty great ATT sometimes but long [TS]

  story short this this woman like you can really bring your bill down to tell me [TS]

  about it what we have to do a build down and she said well we need to change his [TS]

  family data package in dealey D&M my phone bill dropped $100 yeah I know [TS]

  exactly what you mean now but I'm question naturally very very skeptical [TS]

  because he figures like an ass of course now I'm looking for a catch by my god [TS]

  what does it mean we're reaping for another five years we gotta get a [TS]

  Samsung tablet like what is it what was the downside of this doesn't just pay [TS]

  less money [TS]

  Stockholm Syndrome you know I'm just like she's being so nice to me and I [TS]

  feel like you know i dont wanna talk to a customer service person I'm terrified [TS]

  I really don't incur the wrath cuz I don't know a few ways they can help you [TS]

  in a million ways they could scream or to make things worse like all of a [TS]

  sudden you know you signed up for three hundred dollar-a-month international [TS]

  data plan you get me in the Platinum overnight package and daddy you feel [TS]

  sometimes they've gotten better at this over the years does with GoDaddy a [TS]

  cephalic I was running down a hallway while it doesn't wrap boys are trying to [TS]

  hit me with a sexual pennies just 90 need anything tonight and anything over [TS]

  need anything platinum [TS]

  this domain I I don't think that I don't think I'm customers what to do with [TS]

  their money I really don't i mean they've spent a ton of it here i mean [TS]

  it's you know this is cable town area said this before on the show where [TS]

  they've built the tallest skyscraper in philadelphia and now they're building [TS]

  another one one block over that's going to be even bigger and nobody really [TS]

  knows why [TS]

  you know it's the day just got more money than they know what to do it [TS]

  yeah yeah I thought about this in this way too much but sometimes it seems like [TS]

  you've got in the case of these carriers from back in the day you've got well [TS]

  there's the stuff we made money within the past 10 years ago there's [TS]

  infrastructure that we built like all the investments we made over the years [TS]

  and then there's this rapidly evolving market for what people actually one and [TS]

  all that stuff that we see as being very valuable just simply does not register [TS]

  for most people and in my case and San Francisco Muni get one-dot of coverage [TS]

  so much of the time with with AT&T it's likely is great to use the phones hardly [TS]

  at all you know it's just it's interesting to me like how you take [TS]

  being a commodity business you know it's been around for a long time and you know [TS]

  because of the nature of the business can never really be that innovative that [TS]

  fast so what do you do we saw iPhones tablets or whatever but it's interesting [TS]

  like what they want in the case of Xfinity legs here's what we want you to [TS]

  know us for we want you to know as for this thing called Xfinity and you know [TS]

  the way that they're actually making all their money who knows how they're [TS]

  actually making all their money but they want to be known for as well as [TS]

  lifestyle products completely up to date and you know yeah that makes sense you [TS]

  know when you're talking about fiber and stuff like that that's not something you [TS]

  do as he says he change a logo i mean these are there's a lot of [TS]

  infrastructure behind what all these companies doing certainly you can spend [TS]

  up various kinds of data centers in CNN's or whatever but at the same time [TS]

  that's all changing so fast it right now comcast is a coaxial cable that comes [TS]

  into my house that lets me stream things and you know and use the internet but we [TS]

  don't have cable TV we don't know about my experience another great one but no [TS]

  but for me that's just the cat saddam cable that comes in and it's a 01 either [TS]

  works minor does and that's that's the entire expensive proposition [TS]

  dogs chasing cats cats got a drop shadow probably noon it looks like it might be [TS]

  inside Johnny Ives bubble very white minivan in the cones in men in the bird [TS]

  is gonna drop shadow [TS]

  how come I just sent us this is in the detail here the icon next to get a [TS]

  one-time text when services restored and the icon next to it is a power power you [TS]

  know [TS]

  electric plug I don't get it [TS]

  yeah I read more like a $3 interface hear those areas and other pages when [TS]

  you get it it's changed cuz in the meantime I've gone through the the one [TS]

  guy signed up to get that text there's hello John Xfinity fall TV sweepstakes [TS]

  you can learn more about NBC's The Voice what's this one here in the second one [TS]

  is your friends to expand and get up to $500 Visa Prepaid Cards he measured how [TS]

  much money went into the series of meetings about synergy of which is that [TS]

  there is a whole as I can I gotta send you this the docket still there Jason ok [TS]

  I got it at the birds though they're the bird doesn't move horrific dreamscapes [TS]

  is this hello job all caps refer your friends to Xfinity registered trademark [TS]

  and get up to $500 Visa prepaid cards so you can get a whole bunch of kind of [TS]

  foreshortened like prospective havin Visa cards [TS]

  despicable me running on a screen and a tablet with a with a game controller [TS]

  someone yelling into someone's ear on a laptop image and then [TS]

  dog chased the other away so what is the end she refers to people to do it right [TS]

  now that's it and recognize revenue stream right there [TS]

  this I would have so many opportunities to suggest to my friends having drinks [TS]

  I'm there must be some reason for why would they buy my reward come in the [TS]

  form of prepaid Visa cards drug dealers why wouldn't they just give me credit on [TS]

  the bill I don't know our special access to behind the scenes stuff from the [TS]

  voice I really don't get it at the grand prize you can win a $10,000 $10,000 cash [TS]

  Visa cards plus a trip for two to the voice finale in Los Angeles any would [TS]

  love that she loves the voice III I can't help but feel that ultimately [TS]

  Comcast should be a very like or anybody like that with the company with millions [TS]

  of customers are paying like a hundred to two hundred dollars a month for [TS]

  service that you know like a one-time infrastructure layout you know put the [TS]

  cable in the streets and through the polls and everything and everybody [TS]

  houses I mean obviously you know those to get from where nobody had cable in [TS]

  america to where everybody is cable running into the house that's an [TS]

  accomplishment right but that's all in the past it's all there now it just run [TS]

  it should it should really just be like 25% company just answering calls yeah [TS]

  just answering some calls and mostly mostly just you know you know guys who [TS]

  go out in the field and troubleshoot problems and stuff like that like [TS]

  there's no real reason for Comcast to exist as a very large corporation years [TS]

  ago you talking about it wasn't that was a Comcast where they had to get the [TS]

  SPECIAL DRAM card for your cable box yeah yeah [TS]

  came out and didn't work exactly one and then he came out [TS]

  it was a it was a two CableCARD TiVo and he came out and it was like it one that [TS]

  worked and what didn't and is gonna go get some more cards and as I will have [TS]

  your truck and the next time I know it was always a different guy was only the [TS]

  same guy give your skin the gay part is that you have to make a new appointment [TS]

  yeah I'm waiting for you now and ultimately a guy came and he had one [TS]

  always with only two cards every time and I'd always say well can you put on [TS]

  the third visit I was like can you please put down to tell the guide to [TS]

  bring the whole box full of these cards and he was like well we don't usually do [TS]

  that and I was like what do you think maybe you should think this is the third [TS]

  I just bring a whole stack of them obviously some of these things work some [TS]

  of them have work and some don't work so we wound up with with a gun the third [TS]

  one we got a fully working cable card and then the second CableCARD got [TS]

  everything except HBO and Showtime or whatever you know whatever they pay [TS]

  channels are premium stuff I was I good enough so like every time we wanted to [TS]

  TiVo like an HBO show whatever 50% child that it would be just a black screen for [TS]

  our of the broadcast so we just set up the TiVo I say we aim is actually the [TS]

  TiVo runner at the house she set it up so that any of the HBO shows that we [TS]

  wanted we would she would just set the TiVo to record all of them you know like [TS]

  so late when the new episode of The Sopranos came out just keep recording it [TS]

  over and over again because if you do you know and there's a gate copies of it [TS]

  on the TiVo [TS]

  there's a good chance one of them is gonna work X 1080 it's all about [TS]

  improving your chances that was years ago we now have a new TiVo that I don't [TS]

  know what it's got some different kind of cable card good now but the review [TS]

  part of your what you're describing here we get 25 people answering phones is i [TS]

  mean i i I cannot begin to first of all let's be honest you're not gonna I mean [TS]

  I'm going to trouble shoot the shit [TS]

  out of everything that I can look I just sent you that girl rate I know how to [TS]

  get to the Motorola Surfboard I know how to get a little bit I know how to go on [TS]

  every cable and you know I learned a long time ago not to be that guy if you [TS]

  do call but the five priests completely respond tomorrow I will I will you know [TS]

  you're not calling them and you go through the thing trying get you know [TS]

  pushed up to higher level tech support and stuff like that because everything [TS]

  apparently as a black box when it comes to doing anything [TS]

  coaxial cable and irony is the first of all when they do send somebody at your [TS]

  house you know whenever usually week later it's a comp in my experience a [TS]

  complete crap shoot which are gonna get up till like a lot of times you get like [TS]

  you know bob hoskins from Brazil and this guy comes out his weight 150 and [TS]

  magnetic sign on the site is like the equivalent of holding a finger up for a [TS]

  must as in I work for Comcast a magnetic sign that goes it's ok it's cool I'm [TS]

  actually Comcast even though he's not he's a contractor and these guys come [TS]

  out there and what's funny is like every fifth visit you know like every two [TS]

  years I get somebody else to come up for some reason that they'll be like there's [TS]

  been like eight people that came out and made a big mess and then every few years [TS]

  somebody comes out clean up the mess is awesome this awesome Gulf War veteran [TS]

  woman came out to these things is just giving up all these junctions percentage [TS]

  of magic like you just take out about forty 40 feet of cable that's why we're [TS]

  getting a signal as they just kept getting new stuff and they don't drill [TS]

  hole oh my gosh I'm going to special forum for that but you know you really [TS]

  depends on what you get there could be people who come out and just had to have [TS]

  the slightest idea how to fix anything but the most trivial thing and other [TS]

  people who like you get like $500 with the service I i've had the similar [TS]

  experience where it sometimes you get you get the robert deniro character from [TS]

  Brazil [TS]

  who actually knows how to fix things and I remember one time it was the same [TS]

  thing where there is a guy who's like testing our signal outside the house and [TS]

  he was like it's pretty good out there you know you know like he was good [TS]

  enough for even even that he decided pretty good is a it's alright because [TS]

  but I hear it in your living in this is is a terrible something's going on so he [TS]

  like I don't know he was like some kind of terrible spider web of Junction died [TS]

  I had no idea I thought it was your own one thing but apparently you lose a lot [TS]

  of bells or whatever of strength that with each you know how many feet of huge [TS]

  effect and if that's the 110 and just won't be enough to drive your right you [TS]

  know those like coaxial like Y splitters yes we sure do he came up he came up [TS]

  from my guard down stairs like our basement with with this one and this is [TS]

  what he said he took out an ad like it was like it was literally rusted it was [TS]

  it was rusty and he goes well I took us out and goes it wasn't even doing [TS]

  anything that wasn't there wasn't like the split wasn't going anywhere it was [TS]

  just somebody that I used it to you know stream or cable together we can one day [TS]

  of stairs everything was dead dead dead dead [TS]

  the bill is paid everything was dead and went downstairs and I did my usual [TS]

  troubleshooting on the incredibly ancient equipment and it was really [TS]

  obvious that someone had had basically had cut the cable to our house and then [TS]

  why'd off the cable to go into our neighbor's house and first I thought it [TS]

  might be are our neighbors want to watch the Super Bowl for free or something [TS]

  like that but I called Comcast and when it became apparent once we got it one of [TS]

  the people out there was that that was just what they thought needed to be done [TS]

  so we don't need this cable over here obviously want to put this one here so [TS]

  they cut off literally physically cut off the cable and then reconnected it to [TS]

  our new like the nineteen twenties switchboard I think I've told this story [TS]

  but it was many many years ago [TS]

  but when I was the best cable experience I've ever had was when I was in college [TS]

  I had lived like my last few years in college we had a big big six bedroom [TS]

  apartment in West Philly and 1606 roommates everybody got a room and we [TS]

  called to get the cable service in the guy came out was I wanna say russian but [TS]

  some kind of Eastern European accent and he's talking about cable you know on the [TS]

  up and up and I forget how was it wasn't me but one of my roommates said [TS]

  something to him about talk a little bit of the code for any extra services [TS]

  ship he goes I have heard about this some ways that you should I remember [TS]

  those days day because he could get this guy to stops and I thought at first when [TS]

  he stopped that it was like like when you offer a cop a bribe and then all of [TS]

  a sudden now you're in trouble for you know the copyright in the guy says and [TS]

  said would you like something like that and we're all taking he does he goes [TS]

  well I could come back to I don't work tomorrow as I could come back here [TS]

  tomorrow and and do this on my own time and hit with a freak out when he asked [TS]

  for I don't know like 200 bucks or something and we also agreed yes so [TS]

  right there on the spot he called in and we heard him he called in to like his [TS]

  supervisor and said yeah I'm at whatever they are [TS]

  doris was he goes yeah they they no longer want services they don't want any [TS]

  they can't afford it I don't think so just cancel it because I see you guys [TS]

  tomorrow comes back the next day and he's just like in street clothes and he [TS]

  had like a box it is brought everything we did have to do it he just had like a [TS]

  cable box and he went out and climbed up like the cold outside our apartment and [TS]

  next thing you know we had cable service that got us everything we never paid we [TS]

  never been anything we've made the guy lee tuner box wine and then an even that [TS]

  would've been like at least 50 bucks that I might be slightly misremembered [TS]

  it might be that we may be we had to be paid anything I think we paid nothing we [TS]

  just had it all back then I mean if you had the right box with the i mean it was [TS]

  also it was a physical stuff I remember around that same time maybe a little [TS]

  earlier there's an old trick with the kind of cable boxes we had for me [TS]

  Cablevision or whatever it was we r you take us certain kind of cardboard there [TS]

  was a certain thickness and you fold it on the end about certain amount of half [TS]

  an inch and you slide it into the top of the cable box in little crack right the [TS]

  little you know he pull it back and suddenly got everything that really make [TS]

  you get Showtime HBO Cinemax movie channel we got everything we got [TS]

  pay-per-view [TS]

  know we got to remember I used to be in the box in like seriously but like most [TS]

  expensive yeah like I said I was like you know in the nineties and Tyson was [TS]

  still fighting I do what I remember specifically even you know we invite [TS]

  people over cuz you wouldn't want those things that you know without pain but we [TS]

  remember the one the one it was crazy it was like boxing was like pro wrestling [TS]

  back then there was the one with the fan man it was an outdoor fight and the guy [TS]

  on a parachute came into the ring in the middle of the fight [TS]

  remember that I don't remember that this is this really happened like in the [TS]

  middle of a mike tyson heavyweight bout this guy named man man I know where his [TS]

  name him but he had like a parasail and he'd like came into the rain had stopped [TS]

  the fight and beat this guy up and get him out before they resume the fight vs [TS]

  Evander Holyfield Tyson holyfield [TS]

  wow that was real and I had that I we got there for free [TS]

  passed the test in 2002 sorry that's spam and past alright P famine that [TS]

  wasn't that many years after it happened it was probably like what 9596 [TS]

  disappeared letter pilot from Henderson Nevada known for his appearances his [TS]

  most famous parents was the november 6 1993 boxing match evander holyfield [TS]

  riddick bowe at Caesars Palace then made headlines when he used his powered [TS]

  paraglider deflated eventually crashing into the rain [TS]

  dogs chasing cat dog the thing is that the kind that standing up looks like [TS]

  it's fine it seems like he would work on the twelve-foot code that have fallen [TS]

  over but you know I'm not an extremity I want to take this take a break and I'm [TS]

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  addition my goodness I've got your or your Levi's 501 I am yeah me too as I [TS]

  get four pairs of Levis 501 telephoto and has exactly one pair of pants and [TS]

  different need one pair of jeans that fit me mister realize what pants that [TS]

  fit feel like I don't want too much because their little bit jarring I do [TS]

  have bones to pick with that I do wear Levis 501 a couple years ago I tried [TS]

  something else I think I got something I got them from the gap or something but [TS]

  then they did but I'm problem with them as they dared what I want is I just want [TS]

  the exact same genes over and over again and and that you can't do that they're [TS]

  always change in the name of the the denim you know you know that they've got [TS]

  forty different names and styles at M&I da my god could leave eyesight is [TS]

  completely overwhelming right I was gonna try the same thing I was like ok [TS]

  I'm gonna find exactly this one get this can you buy five of them and then write [TS]

  them for the next five years [TS]

  yeah I tried to do that and he can do the ones I bought the last time aren't [TS]

  there anymore and I bought him and also the sizes are different like I bought a [TS]

  new pair with exactly the size right on the pat on the back and now there's I [TS]

  learned this from my technologies like whenever I go try on anything in the [TS]

  store especially if it's not like super expensive if it's anything like you know [TS]

  anything that's not basically like evening wear take for into the dressing [TS]

  room and try them on in the same size unlike you are high there's absolutely [TS]

  no difference and it totally is a difference and look no further go grab [TS]

  after after the program go grab a bunch of pairs of 501 country they're made it [TS]

  so if you're wondering why I mean I've got some that are from [TS]

  Mexico and get some that are from Central America I mean enough just to [TS]

  say that it isn't like there's like this one lady in San Francisco that's making [TS]

  all these genes there's a lot of variation that the cotton is different [TS]

  in a lot of them you gotta try em on yeah it's what I did I i think you're [TS]

  exactly right but I hate it because I want to do the whole point of knowing my [TS]

  size and knowing that I want levi's model 501 as I wanted to order among [TS]

  other people buy beer I just American Apparel t-shirt some impact of this [TS]

  that's that's that's how I wanted to be almost like a paper towel dispenser at [TS]

  my kids elementary school I want to be so straightforward [TS]

  exactly the same socks exactly the same shorts and a minute when they change for [TS]

  some reason this country it seems really weird I feel really undermined by the [TS]

  brand you know if you like Steve Jobs who had it right where you where you [TS]

  know everybody thought it was sort of eccentric but where he was like this is [TS]

  a God that Japanese designer give Mike 75 of those black shirts and that was it [TS]

  I think it's a smart thing in the world I mean you just don't have to you [TS]

  shouldn't have to think about that stuff and if the problem is once you become a [TS]

  little eclectic then you can go to become really eclectic because you can't [TS]

  have like fucking clown shoes that you wear every day you've got to have some [TS]

  variation you know the smart part was getting like 75 of them at once rather [TS]

  than say just get the need and then as they were out you'll get more because [TS]

  you can't trust that they're gonna be there to get more you really good reason [TS]

  to maintain your weight as you get older it is good motivation motivation [TS]

  real-time follow-up and the parachutist James Miller aka feminist tragic he he [TS]

  he took his own life as a young man we had that seemed unusual that he would [TS]

  pass away at that [TS]

  moment you know I suppose it's a surprising that the guy who parachuted [TS]

  live into a heavyweight title fight at Caesars Palace had a mental health [TS]

  issues and I don't mean to make fun of it you know that what he did was funny [TS]

  him to his life is tragic but it I suppose it that rock and roll in now you [TS]

  know about him now [TS]

  John 3:16 oh yeah yeah I as a sports fan you should know he's he's he's had a lot [TS]

  of balls in the air over the years is he still around I don't remember I i think [TS]

  you know it started as it's funny because in my head I think what are the [TS]

  two of the two characters you remember from early adulthood like that would be [TS]

  parodied on The Simpsons like at a sporting event well there's a guy in the [TS]

  clown wig and is the guy who holds up to John 3:16 sign and the first amazing [TS]

  thing is that that was the same guy to change tack from rainbow wig John 3:16 [TS]

  the same guy but I think at some point it ended up making this really sad I [TS]

  think it did he ended up with some kind of situation at some point he got taken [TS]

  away so for those of you who don't know this guy what was his name I remember of [TS]

  rock and roll in rainbow rowland stuart is well yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  Stewart llen he was a guy who he would he would obtain tickets for sporting [TS]

  events that were optimally placed so that he would be on TV like like you [TS]

  know he he he knew which tickets to buy that would be within the camera angle [TS]

  that frequent and and he which city do first the rainbow it yesterday with the [TS]

  Marlins guy would you like to tell me more about this guy like how is that [TS]

  he's always where he's at so many games and so many places and he's always he [TS]

  always ends up on camera and then of course became a bit started with the [TS]

  rainbow afro wig [TS]

  and then later on he went to the John 3:16 right john then he used to I [TS]

  remember you don't it was always football game I remember he probably did [TS]

  everything but I remember seeing him on football games and he he must have had a [TS]

  lot of money because you know that's expensive seats near the front and he [TS]

  had to travel because it wasn't like he he was a guy in Kansas City and he was [TS]

  always at Kansas City Chiefs games now he was like every he was like at the the [TS]

  game of the week every week wherever it was his first major appearance was at [TS]

  the 1977 NBA Finals by the time of the 1979 MLB all-star game [TS]

  broadcasters actively tried to avoid showing him when you get here behind the [TS]

  goal post Olympic medal stands Augusta National Golf Club 1982 Indianapolis 500 [TS]

  behind the pits of Gordon Johncock individually commercials and stuff but [TS]

  yeah I'm surprised he got in Augusta Augusta census seems like type of place [TS]

  where the Masters the Masters they wouldn't hesitate to take a guy out meet [TS]

  me at a green jacket blazer and a rainbow wig so I like that he's like he [TS]

  was like the old-time predecessor to this year's Marlins man who I have to [TS]

  admit I got I got very into this year did you watch any of the baseball t know [TS]

  I did yeah it was absolutely fascinating and so this guy back story behind this [TS]

  and he liked it was pretty amazing has started out but there was some reason I [TS]

  think obviously was most striking in the Kansas the games are in Kansas City [TS]

  leets college in sea of blue and I mean it just in this one guy in a traffic [TS]

  cone orange jersey this is Marlins on it and is right behind home plate I mean [TS]

  he's right there and he does great thing for retro with the pictures turn through [TS]

  he stands up so you can see he I don't know what was promised seemed to me like [TS]

  he couldn't stand still like I I am a basement so I was mostly when I [TS]

  he didn't seem to be paying attention to the game on a regular basis I times he [TS]

  was but there were you would chat up his seat mates nearby something yeah he you [TS]

  know again like you said it was quite in congress in the games in Kansas City and [TS]

  hats off to the people of Kansas City for their they're like I don't know how [TS]

  many thousand 45 50,000 people fitness stadium and I would save forty 9999 of [TS]

  them were wearing Royals blew it it was an impressive sight i think thats purity [TS]

  I mean there was a great series and they they fought hard in this fans really [TS]

  great and but there's one guy wearing a bright flaming orange Marlins jacket and [TS]

  hat really stuck out and he literally right behind home plate I mean like [TS]

  maybe like out of the 45,000 seats like he was always in maybe one of the two [TS]

  seats that he would be most visible behind the batter like the one on the [TS]

  left and one on the right where it where you're that visible and he was in that [TS]

  seat I don't understand how can you guarantee how can you buy that I don't i [TS]

  i somebody I think yeltsin article about this and I i look at it before I think [TS]

  he is a medical professional like some kind of a dentist and he gets these [TS]

  tickets somehow but I mean think about all the work that goes into that it [TS]

  wasn't it was in San Francisco to rate you let's be clear he was in San [TS]

  Francisco for a few games then he went to Kansas for a few games and so forth [TS]

  came back its I mean it's he was a dedication and those are you know and [TS]

  who knows if $1,000 oh I think for the World Series it was a lot more I went on [TS]

  StubHub cause I got curious and I was like well what would it cost and and [TS]

  like the seats in which they had his AT&T [TS]

  the Giants at all it is this week yeah yeah while the Giants ballpark AT&T [TS]

  formerly SBC family pack felt it then once they're that close right behind [TS]

  home plate where thousands of dollars on StubHub and it's like everything on [TS]

  StubHub I mean it's you know it's negotiating the public kind of grey [TS]

  market for tickets or something yeah yeah you never used it it's amazing it's [TS]

  truly amazing it's a great great service where you can resell tickets and they [TS]

  are automated and they they they totally you can you know they stand behind every [TS]

  ticket they sell so you don't feel like you're it's not like eBay like StubHub [TS]

  is you know with Bay if somebody ripped you off you they have like a mediation [TS]

  but stopped short of stands behind its like StubHub buys the ticket from the [TS]

  person you're buying the ticket stub oh my gosh that's fantastic [TS]

  you would hope they would pay power the originally kind of seemed like an SMS [TS]

  escrow willingly hands on a ticket and make sure ya day and they have offices [TS]

  physical retail establishments in that lot a lot of major cities most major [TS]

  cities so if you buy tickets at the last minute you can go pick them up like I I [TS]

  bought tickets for a Yankees game and in August for the other day and I don't [TS]

  know if we're going and bought them the day before and it was so easy [TS]

  we're gonna be in New York anyway that's why about the tickets on for a thing on [TS]

  Saturday so we're staying over and just there's a place in Midtown you just go [TS]

  in and you show them your I D and then they just handed me an envelope with the [TS]

  ticket is amazing [TS]

  yeah I bought them like a day before but to wait and it's a little it certainly [TS]

  must have been a lot of day I guess maybe he got them for free or discounted [TS]

  or something but it's a lot of dedication know there's no way he had to [TS]

  buy them out but it is crazy because somebody has that see if there's a [TS]

  season ticket holder and you're like a fan of the giant why would you give up [TS]

  that great see unless he really made [TS]

  an offer he couldn't refuse and it's just so funny because it's for his [TS]

  purposes it's not just like he wants a good seat he wants to be he clearly [TS]

  wants to be on TV there's only like three or four seats then into [TS]

  pound-for-pound he's on screen more than anybody but maybe the pitcher in the [TS]

  catcher yeah I mean if you think about it i mean that guy is except [TS]

  occasionally like he might be obscured by the empire for a second but he seems [TS]

  to have a really good sense of where to be to make sure his on-camera yeah [TS]

  definitely seems like it you know and that's it makes a big even being in the [TS]

  front row make such a big for his purposes make such a big difference [TS]

  compared to being the second yeah I sent from a different age though if you think [TS]

  about guys like the parasailing guy or a rockin rollin or or Marlins guy i mean [TS]

  you know it used to be really hard to be famous [TS]

  it took a lot of work to be famous you you know you had to have a publisher for [TS]

  a book you had to have an agent to like train even take to get you on TV it's [TS]

  just like today there's there's so many more avenues for becoming slightly [TS]

  famous [TS]

  kind of admire the the great work you know on the ground [TS]

  medical professional who decides to between cities to to be on TV the [TS]

  background it's it's you know that you can get into that the Royals tried to [TS]

  buy him out of the seats are you kidding you don't notice them after the first [TS]

  game the Kansas City Royals [TS]

  you know like the organization approached him and said you know we you [TS]

  know we'd like you to move but we will offer you will trade you for this these [TS]

  tickets for this will give you a luxury box or do you know a seat in one of the [TS]

  luxury boxes and in the fall I don't know you know food and beverage whatever [TS]

  please please give up your seat and he was like not you know they declined [TS]

  because his whole goal you know that was the whole point I don't think that I [TS]

  don't think they quite understood the psychology of the guy that the [TS]

  psychopath [TS]

  you know what he is looking to do whatever I guess the Kansas City river [TS]

  that's that's I could see them getting pretty miffed about that you think about [TS]

  what that ad space cost for all those you know the answer her green screen [TS]

  back there and all the kind of as they say today optics of like how you present [TS]

  you know your brand must've been super annoying to them [TS]

  makes me wonder how many people out there who inspired by the guy and then [TS]

  if its gonna startling good surgeons in you know what would you call it a stick [TS]

  out you know yeah yeah I mean everybody needs a project it's important to stay [TS]

  busy you know as you get older but it's like you never really noticed the people [TS]

  there are always people behind home plate are behind the end zone you know [TS]

  there's always fans in the front row indeed just never noticed them really I [TS]

  mean I guess every once in a while you see Jack Nicholson the Lakers game show [TS]

  it but you know you just don't notice the fans until they're wearing bright [TS]

  orange uneasy movement in one game made me feel really old there was this I'm [TS]

  guessing probably the greatest dad in the world that he brought his kids to [TS]

  the game in Kansas City but there was probably like 11 year old girl sitting [TS]

  in like the 5th row and was like man it's at 11:15 she's she's up pretty late [TS]

  forget her age was cut open the game within casinos a school night [TS]

  think about it like did your dad taking the World Series games are thinking [TS]

  about bed bugs you as a math test tomorrow [TS]

  exactly is your kids doin I tell ya is his natural born and as soon as Saturday [TS]

  ads you know you know school starts at 8 a.m. you know Monday to see right thru [TS]

  Friday and then soon Saturday comes he sleeps 20 kidding wow man I hate that [TS]

  daylight savings time [TS]

  jump on this bandwagon but man I'm so relieved when that ends it makes our [TS]

  life so much easier I can unite the savings time [TS]

  I don't like that it's like it's trouble it's very hard to get my kid go to sleep [TS]

  when it's like even 830 and still light outside the USA you your pro daylight [TS]

  savings time you like the extra day late at night I do think sponsor logo with a [TS]

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  some stupid on the sides they didn't notice when you're looking at him [TS]

  straight on you know I mean that's a geek in me know I'm listening to beats I [TS]

  love beads but I'm saying I'm the type of person where I would I would [TS]

  ordinarily think I'm never gonna buy eyeglasses online because I have to see [TS]

  them in person I cannot judge this just by pictures with that you don't have to [TS]

  do that you judge I'm online looking at the pictures just to have them sent to [TS]

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  and they started 95 bucks they have showrooms in some cities adding new york [TS]

  has it to San Francisco have one and I don't know that I've done them try on [TS]

  sometimes it's amazing [TS]

  home trial she never know that the thing I remember one time in years ago well I [TS]

  will say the name was a site for you to go in a couple of picture of yourself [TS]

  and try the glasses online and then I got the glasses and cloud glasses had no [TS]

  idea of the actual like you know you can tell he put them on your actual stupid [TS]

  face right there's just no way so if they for every pair of glasses that they [TS]

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  lack access to prescription glasses so if anybody out there who has bad vision [TS]

  in my my on corrected vision is at this point my life absolutely horrible like I [TS]

  would be I don't even know if I could cross the street if you think about what [TS]

  that would be like not to have glasses i mean i i i don't know how I would even [TS]

  function I mean I can see about six inches in front of my face and corrected [TS]

  so think about the fact that there's a billion people worldwide you don't have [TS]

  access to classes and you know if you were a kid how you couldn't even see how [TS]

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  parent classes they send one to people in need I think that's a huge part of it [TS]

  and it doesn't mean you know the prices are jacked up it's not like you're [TS]

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  there's no additional cost for that no upsell and stuff like that everything [TS]

  comes with a really nice case cleaning cloth everything he wants to fight that [TS]

  really cool kid it's it's great that we have I don't have lost track now [TS]

  last we've got here in this household sunglasses everything you might want [TS]

  then here's the thing this is new they've got progressively think it's [TS]

  progressive lenses starting it 295 including the frames that progressives [TS]

  this is from my demographic now are that's where you have a distant [TS]

  prescription at the top of the lens that in a transition to a reading lands near [TS]

  the lenders bottom and its hard line in between them that says bifocal it's just [TS]

  I don't know how they do it they call it a digital free form lines which is the [TS]

  most advanced progressive technology supply digitally with a computer so the [TS]

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  alright daylight savings to checking your cable just hit me just curious to [TS]

  see if this actually works it's it's gonna be my blood I didn't get a text [TS]

  from them so I'm not a one-time tax you're gonna get it with you know what [TS]

  that now this I was smart enough not to do it on the machine where are our call [TS]

  but it looks like it is working no textron [TS]

  maybe they're not maybe they're not gonna keep slugging along this way [TS]

  yeah well we can keep yeah I mean I can I save him broke don't fix it was over [TS]

  and that hurt anybody just leave it there was that dog or cat [TS]

  itself time so you you're you're opposed to it and President summer months where [TS]

  it packs the daylight I see I feel like we've got the whole thing backwards i [TS]

  feel like i I could totally get behind its not even like a six month six month [TS]

  thing anymore I thought it used to be there always change everything around [TS]

  its real confusing it's very confusing and I don't think it's later and ends [TS]

  later 90 and they changed it I believe that it ends after Halloween [TS]

  on purpose to to make it safer for kids which is great but then I think it [TS]

  starts later too [TS]

  I don't know I'm not quite sure but but but but the fact is though that there's [TS]

  more of the year that daylight savings time then there is that Standard Time [TS]

  right back they moved it back so the next 1 2014 started March 9th and [TS]

  November 2nd while you're totally right [TS]

  Wow right really just it's just november december 23 three quarters of the year [TS]

  so yeah maybe it's a good one third to third type thing now I think every four [TS]

  months and I i cant think that to me that they've if they're going to do [TS]

  something like that it backwards because it's I am i said im amenable to the [TS]

  argument that it when it's 8:45 p.m. 8:45 and you're trying to put your kid [TS]

  to bed and that's enough daylight or you could be outside playing ball at the [TS]

  tough sell and I like how you feel like you're almost lying to your kids you [TS]

  know how can you say it's bedtime you know it it's like you're saying it [TS]

  bedtime and your kids hopefully hopefully your kid has a window in their [TS]

  bedroom and they can look and see that it's daylight it's you know I understand [TS]

  that's hard sell but those of the month I wouldn't be opposed to two rejecting [TS]

  it like in the around June you know so circle for months around June words [TS]

  longest and take an hour of daylight there my problem is I I just get so [TS]

  depressed because they don't they don't have clinical depression but I just a [TS]

  little blue I get back I would call it like a melancholy like this right now [TS]

  this like today I feel a little melancholy just because it's right now [TS]

  it's it's a rainy day here in philadelphia is probably why my cable [TS]

  went out it doesn't hold up too much [TS]

  that a lot to ask of hardware job you know that's true though you remember [TS]

  back when I did the show with Dan it really was the case this was before the [TS]

  guy pulled out that rusty why thing you know my splitter know it's true we're on [TS]

  rainy days when wind and I would record the show years ago he would always hehe [TS]

  could tell cuz it was like it was like all broken up like Skype audio is all [TS]

  busted up on a rainy was very consistent that if it was rainy my my connection [TS]

  cannot handle that seems crazy that's fixed I think but its but anyway it's a [TS]

  rainy day here it's like my wife gets home from work and it's dark and that's [TS]

  that's you know it's no fun for me it's certainly no fun for her but for people [TS]

  who have like an actual job you're coming home and it's after the Tigers [TS]

  back right to organize totally depressing when I used to work [TS]

  you many many years ago the philadelphia inquirer it was a type of place where it [TS]

  was [TS]

  show up at nine and you'd left at five everybody left 25 you know like 455 [TS]

  everybody's put a coat on who's just that type of office there is nothing in [TS]

  the department I worked in there was nothing you know no reason to stay and I [TS]

  remember leaving the one time I must have been like the first weekday I guess [TS]

  the Monday after we set the clocks back and if it was pitch black dark as night [TS]

  and you as you leave work at five just was very depressing I let me ask you [TS]

  this what are they just changed here here's the thing it would seem really [TS]

  weird if they just changed time and we said from now on [TS]

  like daylight savings time is what we're gonna have all the time but it's [TS]

  something that's kind of what you're advocating for its like why don't you [TS]

  just change time so we just we just talked in an hour here we change the [TS]

  stuff around and now we we have late at night that that's kind of really what [TS]

  you're saying that is what I'm saying that makes it seem doubly crazy that we [TS]

  change it during the year that it's it's that going back and forth so be nice if [TS]

  there was I mean I can't do that with the rotation of the planet the angles [TS]

  and stuff but still you know i mean that that's part that's weird is the changing [TS]

  part I think I i think you could make a case that I'm not a scientist John [TS]

  I think you could make a case for saying we just need to permanently do this this [TS]

  needs to be just time now I had and it's just it's such a kick in the teeth I [TS]

  feel that when you set up back in the fall [TS]

  that you know they can you know the days are getting shorter as October went on [TS]

  anyway you know you could kind of see you know you can see it like a man I [TS]

  remember when it was so light outside I really I really knows that this year it [TS]

  seems to happen fast it I don't know did seem like that to me too but it's I [TS]

  don't know when I was a kid it seemed like I was ignorant stuff like that I [TS]

  didn't even know what time I guess but as an adult now though and I feel like [TS]

  that sudden extra hour jump of darkness at what should be a reasonable time of [TS]

  day would most people would still call the afternoon not the evening just don't [TS]

  know I'd almost rather even though I would advocate switch into the daylight [TS]

  savings time year round I would just say let's just call that set the clocks on [TS]

  that never heard that before that cause that seems like the kind of campaign [TS]

  that we've heard about by now and it kind of makes sense that you get when [TS]

  you guys here here you just pick one that's the slogan it does seem now it's [TS]

  hard hard thing for them to ever get off the ground [TS]

  downside of permanent daylight savings time cuz I have to tell you just in [TS]

  fairness I could get behind the scheme as long as it's consistent the hard part [TS]

  the hard part is like i say like in the summertime i mean we just need an idea [TS]

  and I understand the late changes like say angles rotation but like to just has [TS]

  to be some idea that if I am i dont selling I'm trying to do some kind of [TS]

  social engineering tricks on my kid to get a good bit 2 p.m. or something like [TS]

  that just pick one [TS]

  the downside whenever I get on my hobby horse about this I was here I hear from [TS]

  the morning it's the morning people is that you know of a sudden now the [TS]

  morning people have [TS]

  you know it's pitch black and you know they always tried it always is in [TS]

  everybody's always tried to the children but then you know kids are waiting for [TS]

  the school bus in its pitch black at 7:15 in the morning over there I don't [TS]

  know and it to me and it's like somebody's I think there's a farming [TS]

  angle on it but to me it's like the farmer should just get up when the Sun [TS]

  rises don't you know don't worry about what time it is [TS]

  understand where the farm farmer so time constraint to the need to get a like why [TS]

  why does it matter what time the Sun is up is the grain store closing like [TS]

  understand exactly how that you know saying it only makes sense if there's [TS]

  other stuff too far to do as well as we're gonna field otherwise the clock [TS]

  clocks don't mean fuck you just go work in your garden filled with you need to [TS]

  it is like you look you look you put your pocket watch and go oh dear Amy [TS]

  it's for a better start wrapping up now get back to work farm farm yeah I don't [TS]

  I don't know what the deal is it that I did you know and and just right here and [TS]

  in my own household you know as i endlessly bitched about the daylight [TS]

  savings time roll out last week [TS]

  a.m. even said well you don't take the kids school every day it's pitch black [TS]

  it was pitch black last week it's nicer now that we you know it actually looks [TS]

  like morning when I'm taken into school so I appreciate it I don't know maybe [TS]

  the answer is is that sometime around november breakthrough from November [TS]

  through like New Years we should all just stay in bed and think that the [TS]

  depressing like a summer really supports that I think we all just agreed to just [TS]

  be a little bit more low key you know low-key our way into christmas is also [TS]

  an angle of energy saving is not another angle of it oh definitely I think that's [TS]

  I think that was the explanation behind the guy we kept it and while I we've [TS]

  expanded why we've added made more and more of the [TS]

  of the calendar year daylight savings is that I don't know how I'm not quite sure [TS]

  what the argument is that I had to be honest I i'm still deeply confused just [TS]

  about time zones [TS]

  alone i I was sucking my curly the other day and I was asking him whether they [TS]

  get Christmas in a different season and we do honestly don't understand anything [TS]

  about any of this works and I still have to basically mentally draw a picture to [TS]

  understand which time change causes what difference and that my brain is just not [TS]

  wired to totally understand this and bluff on my way through this little bit [TS]

  but I honestly find everything involving time completely bizarre you know at the [TS]

  China does right but did you know that china did not have they don't believe in [TS]

  time zones so china is a revolutionary [TS]

  well it's a landmass roughly comparable to the United States [TS]

  you know it's about the same sort of shape to a wider than it is tall and [TS]

  about the same with like if they went with time zones they would span four [TS]

  time zones like the continental United States but they don't do it they just [TS]

  have clocks are set to Chinese time in it and so if you're on the well-regarded [TS]

  like how far north you are 10 west to east and west na mean also higher up [TS]

  like in washington like their days are really short [TS]

  offer though right [TS]

  like people in florida get a little bit more [TS]

  it's all completely perplexing it if somebody told me that this is one of [TS]

  those Capricorn One situations and the whole time thing was a blush I would [TS]

  have no trouble believing it I find it all completely perplexing now but it's [TS]

  it's like stolley serious relate their time in China Chinese time that I think [TS]

  it's i think is optimized for the east coast because that's where all the big [TS]

  cities are and but if you live in the western side of China [TS]

  the Sun doesn't even come up until like 11 and you just they just sit there live [TS]

  their lives accordingly may be screened and may be school doesn't start till 11 [TS]

  over there in like three different documentaries in the last year that lead [TS]

  me to believe that the whole modern concept of time and being on a certain [TS]

  time comes out of the railroad schedules could be hit his head when I get there [TS]

  was a time like each train company had their own time that they kept it became [TS]

  very important obviously if you're changing trains at all gotta work [TS]

  together if it is nice that she did it has a certain appeal to that so it's [TS]

  like in China it depends where you live if you think of what you know what is a [TS]

  good bedtime for child you know it might be off by three hours depending on if [TS]

  you're in the east to the west but if you tell somebody I won't we will we [TS]

  will have this conference call at two o'clock in the afternoon everybody [TS]

  everybody knows it's at the right time I think that's very appealing that's why I [TS]

  mean like if I could ever get my brain around it go into pure GMT [TS]

  very appealing about that but there's always a certain time but that's not the [TS]

  only all refer to him even just trying to schedule stuff with people in this [TS]

  increasingly the central time zone they're really screws me up cuz it's [TS]

  just enough off from the two main areas of my head [TS]

  hey I'm not good with it either and and you know what you're right the central [TS]

  time is worse decided the layer tennis commentary [TS]

  to two weeks must been two weeks ago as a last week and that all runs on Chicago [TS]

  and I it's good for me I was ready an hour early [TS]

  funny part is on the east coast east coast winds always you know eastern time [TS]

  is the winner [TS]

  it's the canonical time in america everybody else just has to like do the [TS]

  math central is the only time zone where I periodically go the wrong way you guys [TS]

  are three hours later than it's been for some time for some reason sometimes when [TS]

  I'm doing the mental math I get the central time zone wrong so I'm putting [TS]

  them in the Pacific Ocean sometimes yeah and it just doesn't seem to the timeline [TS]

  to understate understand the International International Date Line [TS]

  you understand that if I make diagrams drawn and I can somehow we went to New [TS]

  Zealand it still makes no sense to me that you will you guys had a crazy fight [TS]

  because you had to get all the way over here before you can even have the [TS]

  terrible fight we had but it was like a 15 hour flight arriving in New Zealand [TS]

  we felt pretty good my wife had some nausea from clear traveling but I was [TS]

  cock of the walk I felt fine coming back from New Zealand I was out for three [TS]

  weeks if possible I don't know I found that to be worse to that getting back [TS]

  from New Zealand was just felt like I felt like I was drugged you don't like a [TS]

  lot Michael lopp lost a birthday oh no maybe this was not the year it was the [TS]

  seventh later little lady you didn't go yet it was the second time I spoke at [TS]

  Webb stock and Michael lopp got on an airplane in SFO the day before his [TS]

  birthday and when he stepped off the plane in Auckland it was the day after [TS]

  his birthday that's where you know it's like to be a leap year baby and I you [TS]

  know he's a big boy wasn't it wasn't sad about it but I got told Jonas Jonas was [TS]

  just blown away [TS]

  I mean nine year old kid like to think that you lost your breath because it's [TS]

  really unjust yeah and he liked that was like the thing like when he went back to [TS]

  school cuz Jones came with us again and then what would you do if you went to [TS]

  New Zealand's wow that's his story was my dad's friend lost her birthday in the [TS]

  heat like explained and all of his friends were like that outrageous that's [TS]

  the saddest [TS]

  kids unionize like missing are missing out a gift giving holiday right it just [TS]

  does it confuses me how that could happen just seems like it should be a [TS]

  different time what it will be following this year haha wow everything yeah well [TS]

  there's only one way to do it you kind of have to go [TS]

  Cumberbatch yeah but I don't know that that's a local yeah it's like it's not [TS]

  recognize you you're not gonna you can I gotta go with that at all [TS]

  yeah the shock on Sat right that's cool reader like movies like how did you get [TS]

  into our homes [TS]

  he's into the season to the the new movies [TS]

  the attorney general's joy those very much [TS]

  this kind of swashbuckling yes there it's especially the second one the [TS]

  second a little it's it's a little indiana Jones it's not it's not a very [TS]

  until late as you know there's some of that but it's it's a more [TS]

  action-oriented that's a good one like it was granger from Harry Potter I saw [TS]

  the pictures she was a dead ringer sheet as you can tell that I think yeah yeah [TS]

  that's good it's it's you know but this is his last couple years before that we [TS]

  dunno Marvel related you know costumed superheroes change [TS]

  Jonas Damon oxidant with the [TS]

  the car look at that photo look at that guy got a little pipe in his hand at the [TS]

  magnifying glass so great I love his cloak yeah yeah good stuff [TS]

  the same resources all that stuff on the internet she can join doesn't she [TS]

  yeah yeah same here same here he's getting older means 10 so he's I think [TS]

  he's running out but he's done is done just about all the big ones down he's [TS]

  done Buzz Lightyear that was really on Buzz Lightyear Han Solo indiana Jones [TS]

  the my my favorite was Clint Eastwood man with no name that was great I [TS]

  remember that his indiana Jones was really good to remember that one trying [TS]

  to remember what else is in their doctor who he did doctor who last year he's [TS]

  like Matt Smith yeah that's awesome that was a good one [TS]

  yeah he's kind of a canary in a coal mine for what's happening in the world [TS]

  when I hear you talking about like Minecraft and YouTube and stuff like [TS]

  that I'm learning a lot about what's coming up through you and him i'm [TS]

  looking at YouTube and I you to become a Minecraft really yeah that's coming out [TS]

  tomorrow I can't wait to read it because I gotta tell you this my crafting still [TS]

  terrified by only terrified we went to see Scott simpson's birthday party over [TS]

  the summer it was her first exposure to Minecraft on a screen capture away from [TS]

  it [TS]

  this everything I've heard from everybody you know me right like I'm not [TS]

  that guy like she can play with the iPad I'm not like we're not crazy about that [TS]

  kind of stuff but every to a person every mom and dad says the same thing [TS]

  which is there's the life that I had with my kid before my craft and my life [TS]

  after it'll probably fine but I i 827 I'm enjoying these days and I i I'm some [TS]

  circumspect it's pretty impressive though it can be certainly you know it [TS]

  that best I can get it I really can't wait to read my book because I really [TS]

  it's like nothing else they've ever seen before there is a way that you can play [TS]

  it like a video game are you running around and there's these creepers [TS]

  they're like zombies avoid need to build a shelter for the night time but that's [TS]

  not really that's not what kids are doing it [TS]

  yeah it's more like virtual Lego the Lego companies should have bought [TS]

  minecraft it's crazy that Microsoft is rumored Disney does I can't be because I [TS]

  think I really think it's got stain or so many kids in homemade minecraft [TS]

  costumes for hello yeah but it was a very inefficient mostly you see a kid [TS]

  with a blocky kinda tunic and then holding up the box that should have been [TS]

  on the head to the can see a damn thing but they were they were blocking [TS]

  minecraft Reuters name is trying to say about the building the collaboration you [TS]

  yeah the game itself and forgive me because I have never played it but the [TS]

  so basically you start out in this world and you gotta stay alive you gonna build [TS]

  stuff you have to mine and then that enables you to get things accomplished [TS]

  combinations of different things make other things that's kind of the idea [TS]

  yeah and it's like you you did get raw materials and then you could turn the [TS]

  raw materials into things and the whole game is super hackable like he just [TS]

  unzip jar file and you know it's like going into Mac terms like opening up the [TS]

  application package and you can go into all the stuff out [TS]

  president for ya it very much so it's exactly like the way we hacked our stuff [TS]

  with resident twenty years ago that's what the kids are doing with Minecraft [TS]

  extensions and my backside but yeah and it's like and they play you know this is [TS]

  the part where it starts to get laid [TS]

  hey what the hell I gotta kinda have to step in there is apparently make sure [TS]

  this is alright was when they collaborate on a server and [TS]

  and it's all open this is the thing like your own house in the PRK guys are [TS]

  talking about this like you can get like a private server right if you absolutely [TS]

  no and that's really like as a responsible parent it's a you kind of [TS]

  you know you kinda have to limit it to private servers [TS]

  you know you can't just go play on the servers were people are you know could [TS]

  be anybody you know he's got one cheap and analytics $3 a month or something [TS]

  like that but Jonas has its own server take you know I going to web hosting [TS]

  account for 33 bucks a month and but then him and his friend he just gives an [TS]

  address to his friends and him in his friend from school can play together and [TS]

  it's just like the 6th at a private room [TS]

  yeah and you know and they built up together it's crazy like he showed me I [TS]

  him in one of his powers from school built like a place for their characters [TS]

  to live like a skyscraper you know you know pretty cool [TS]

  is pretty cool pad really like way up high though like massive massive [TS]

  building a lot of fun I don't know it's very free-form that's very creative and [TS]

  collaborative yeah and the thing is is this the company behind it it really [TS]

  genius and it is sort of a triumph of opens where you like I said the game is [TS]

  hackable but if you wanna play online it's not like you have to play with the [TS]

  official minecraft online server and you have to pay for or whatever anybody can [TS]

  run her own minecraft server it's all just you know you like the game is is [TS]

  commercially have to pay for the game you know we can give you license copy [TS]

  like a seed gotta be so boring I don't understand is television has channels [TS]

  you paid a change but like that the iPad app is like $6.99 [TS]

  in that ok yeah but it's weird that the iPad one is weird like it's really [TS]

  dislike solo like you can't can't can't play the iPad 1 on the Java yeah yeah I [TS]

  don't know how they made the iPad 1 since all things written job but anyway [TS]

  you play on a computer and you can connect to any server and anybody can [TS]

  run a server and so there's public servers where there are thousands of [TS]

  people running around and you can just set up your own server anywhere you want [TS]

  and have just you and your two pals and nice and peaceful quiet but you can chat [TS]

  you know the server and that's where you know there's some parenting it needs to [TS]

  come in [TS]

  needs to just be how do you how do you if you do dat limit access to get hours [TS]

  for that are ya the guy is gonna be like you know certain time you gotta make [TS]

  sure your homework done first in first grade and by the time we picture of her [TS]

  after school she does her homework like we've got like an hour before bedtime so [TS]

  maybe maybe the thing here is to just as to turbo what you guys doin just push to [TS]

  1130 wake school night teases you should figure it out she could nap during [TS]

  recess or something I guess I have to admit as a parent I do feel like Jonah [TS]

  school seems pretty good on homework they don't heat seems to get a lot less [TS]

  than a lot of kids seem to now nationally he has a common whore now I [TS]

  don't even know I don't think we are just seems to me I as a parent I have [TS]

  the exact same perspective on it that I had when I was actually in school which [TS]

  is this is bullshit I've been [TS]

  you had me all day right like a long day like 8 a.m. to 3:00 in the afternoon is [TS]

  awful water tanker your time why is there more work to be done [TS]

  I don't know I've never feels good behavior hack like with my kids she [TS]

  brings home like worksheets infractions and so it's a lot of light show you know [TS]

  24 its show three eighths you know the feeling in his pipe pieces and it it [TS]

  really seems like this is not bad but it is what she did it's cool it's just they [TS]

  want to do more of it at home which to my mind that get the idea of the [TS]

  repetition of practice even though you know primacy and recency thing of trying [TS]

  at different places I can get all of that but this is one of those few legacy [TS]

  things that feels like something from our childhood we're really legitimately [TS]

  school was about teaching and follow rules about teaching you to like [TS]

  yourself to certain kind you mean like that has change so much from when we [TS]

  were kids stuff like creative spelling were like kids are encouraged to just [TS]

  try to spell stuff however at first we had a conference with the teacher about [TS]

  it but you know I was a kid there's no way you would see something on the wall [TS]

  at a typo on it but no red pen [TS]

  Jonas is cool I don't know when I don't think they started trying to enforce [TS]

  cracks billion to fourth grade like like 1st 2nd 3rd grade it to spell it spell [TS]

  everything everyone and somehow the teachers are adept at reading it but I [TS]

  would I can't even get to unhook your mind just gotta read phonetically I mean [TS]

  it's which teeth my daughter is missing because you pronounce things with a list [TS]

  like when she writes it but but but I I was I was a little concerned in a way [TS]

  that I'm usually not like is this ok issued wired right like should I I had [TS]

  the exact same experience and then I would open my eyes as I went to one day [TS]

  I went to pick him up at school [TS]

  and outside his classroom was it was some project that the whole class it [TS]

  done everybody's was tacked to the board in the hallway and I started looking at [TS]

  everybody else's in class and they were all exactly the same like in terms of [TS]

  self illiterate it's embarrassing at first cuz you're like my money only kid [TS]

  who doesn't know how to spell you know where it's why I thought oh shoot that's [TS]

  a big relief I kept thinking there's got to be we're gonna get an uncomfortable [TS]

  con teacher conference where they're gonna say hey he's got it and then [TS]

  nothing ever happened in fourth grade though they started like correcting your [TS]

  spelling and the kids rollet what the fuck yeah right exactly well i you know [TS]

  i i get it i think i mean it's knows anything does anything John it's so it's [TS]

  so conceited for us to imagine we can understand anything as lay people about [TS]

  how something works out or does it but I will say you know what we brought the [TS]

  730 sure of his super interesting to people who wonder about the Apple [TS]

  ecosystem but but but hey this is this a good things that look at first grade 6 [TS]

  like we I just want her to come in here and write as much as she can every day [TS]

  but shouldn't she just writing a lowercase letter a forty times on a page [TS]

  like we did in the flag party she does she loves she I think she has great [TS]

  feeling we put on a day like a we put on like a you like Harry Potter audio book [TS]

  which is home from school and she sits there and makes art and drawers and [TS]

  writes for like two hours I never would have known I woulda scribbled little bit [TS]

  and colored maybe at her age but now she's doing stuff she's teaching herself [TS]

  cursive by tracing had zeroed in cursive when I was six or seven years old now to [TS]

  herself because it's fun because it's all it just all seems doable so what why [TS]

  when I guess I my only interest in it when I was early as I want to be able to [TS]

  read my parents and stuff not like like diaries recovery but it seemed like my [TS]

  parents had this secret language that I couldn't understand like [TS]

  my mom would write a shopping list and I couldn't read it right to state the [TS]

  obvious I think you know when you have stuff that you want to read when you [TS]

  have an incentive and the obvious example being like a list of ideas for [TS]

  presents or something or anything like whatever stuff on screen and in my case [TS]

  of my kids comics like she can suck a huge amount the story from the [TS]

  sequential art but then she can also put together enough of the words to know [TS]

  what it says without me reading it which I find fantastic you know it's it's [TS]

  where those like I'm I'm I have really mixed feelings about a lot of stuff to [TS]

  school stuff we got the Common Core here you know I guess the progeny of No Child [TS]

  Left Behind was lots of things you have to teachers are linked to be tested a [TS]

  certain way and some of it is it new math when you're a kid new math and [TS]

  apparently confused they did kind of a new version of new math that is [TS]

  completely mind-boggling didn't like the way they taught math and it did I i [TS]

  don't think it worked very well for Jonas at math is he's just not not a [TS]

  math person yes I was I took him at like a fish to water like I was always very [TS]

  very I never I don't even know how I learned everything they do you could [TS]

  just show it to me as a kid and I figured it out some kids just see stuff [TS]

  and it's just really may become a visual person I think about like some people [TS]

  people with perfect pitch basically see notes in a way that I see colors people [TS]

  with Matt C relationships that I don't see and I think some people are really [TS]

  just wired that way and God bless the man or woman who can identify that your [TS]

  kid and know what that's going to mean for them both up and down as the thing [TS]

  that they didn't do you know what the what the teaching methods but they did [TS]

  when I was in first grade we memorized everything we had to memorize 2007 1306 [TS]

  1307 memorizing and we had to be test and at all I remember from first grade [TS]

  math is you know we get like a sheet with forty you know basic addition [TS]

  problems like that and you don't have a ninety seconds to minutes to do it and [TS]

  you know it was expected that some of the kids were aiming to complete the [TS]

  whole thing because it was not just about accuracy [TS]

  getting fast at it Genesis scored never you know encouraged any kind of [TS]

  memorization of anything I just never times tables like in third grade going [TS]

  on forever and ever [TS]

  now and in fact they are allowed to live with times tables you know I could you [TS]

  just like the matrix you know it's sick you know the numbers across numbers down [TS]

  go down and over and you can get the product they were allowed to use that [TS]

  charge when they take tests while and it to me is crazy because it's aight well [TS]

  yeah it in its you know it takes them forever to do to to complete a math test [TS]

  that in third grade that's what we did every day is we practice products and [TS]

  then we had the same you know in a different order like mixed up if we did [TS]

  the same 100 problems and that's what we did every single day but you know my [TS]

  take on it is apparent as I am certainly interested in education but I'm not [TS]

  going to pretend like I'm in education expert and the people you know who did [TS]

  our education experts that you know just because this confounds my common sense [TS]

  approach I don't want to be that guy you know there are so many of that guy John [TS]

  right now a lot of stuff with PTA she's really involved the PTA and like there [TS]

  are so many of that guy or gal and it's just the person who comes in who read [TS]

  something in the new yorker in like they got some ideas about how to really shake [TS]

  things up and it is not that different from your 22 year old friends giving you [TS]

  advice on child rearing right you know it's like I let me just say in terms of [TS]

  disclosure nothing in this world has more humbling or educational for me then [TS]

  walking in voluntary the classroom going on a field trip and I realize how much I [TS]

  am doing horribly wrong [TS]

  compared these teachers and he is right on the college and stuff like that so I [TS]

  don't go into the you know I'm certainly thinking I it seems to me that they [TS]

  could it would do well if they would just spend a month or two [TS]

  honing in on memorizing [TS]

  know some of these math facts but I don't go into the teacher conference and [TS]

  say here's what you should do you know yeah I have to admit I don't understand [TS]

  how you would not do that but she's seen numerous things as probable tumblers [TS]

  devoted to the wack a doodle way they're supposed to do now with these word [TS]

  problems the stuff like that [TS]

  fact fact fact families and stuff like that let's you know and again it's kinda [TS]

  mean but you will see stuff where where it's like no no you you don't subtract [TS]

  211 217 like that you have to do this from that and this from now and then [TS]

  imagine there's a hundred of these in three left over and I'm like I I [TS]

  honestly don't know how to do math that way but I guess there's a reason I guess [TS]

  this reason people like you probably like you figured out a lot of the tricks [TS]

  about getting close to something and then figure out the rest rate you figure [TS]

  that out a long time ago talking about some people have that can learn these [TS]

  tricks relic estimation and then getting it right after the estimation I bet you [TS]

  that forever [TS]

  yeah it's always just came naturally the one thing I remember remember being very [TS]

  proud of myself for is at some point I don't know when I don't know when I [TS]

  learned everything but a third fourth fifth grade somewhere in there probably [TS]

  before but at some point but we hadn't learned long division as a class and we [TS]

  took standardized tests take the Iowa Tests oh right yes yes yes i'd that does [TS]

  it does ring a bell I don't know if everybody know why we took the Iowa test [TS]

  but we still I love grew up in Pennsylvania but we took the Iowa Test [TS]

  of Basic Skills was like the SATs grade school kids and there was a long long [TS]

  division on it and I didn't I was and I I kind of had like testings idea [TS]

  I was but I somehow figure out a way to get the answer like I somehow taught [TS]

  myself long division before we ever learned it and remember my teacher asked [TS]

  me and totally aced it I got like I think the highest percentage I got a 99% [TS]

  on the math in my teacher asked me how do you get how do you get this one and I [TS]

  explained it and he was like that's you know that's fascinating because that's [TS]

  not the right way to do it but it is a way to get the answer yes funny if you [TS]

  think about it when you have somebody to show their work on the one hand it's [TS]

  completely sense especially long division showing your work is an [TS]

  indication that you understand how to how to solve this but what it really [TS]

  shows you learn how to solve this in the way that I taught it if i mean i think [TS]

  is in in recent arithmetic mean higher math and arithmetic there's an answer [TS]

  like this time this will always be that quantum mechanics let the basic [TS]

  arithmetic level and so you know the thing is if you can just look at a [TS]

  problem like whatever 17 times nine and know what that answer is without having [TS]

  to show your work [TS]

  to show your work [TS]

  it's kind of weird cuz you just some people just see those numbers i mean i [TS]

  really admire people who can do that where they just they wanna talk about [TS]

  it's almost like like a rainman kind of thing where some people can just see [TS]

  that they don't need to show the work is nowhere to be shown it's just that this [TS]

  will all this time there will always be that and I know that you just said [TS]

  seventeen times now but 153 is however is he kidding because it's you do you do [TS]

  pastors checks out 153 spotlights right as you do ten times and you do ten times [TS]

  1990 and then you do seven times down to get 63 together you might as well be [TS]

  like telling my future from chilis I can't believe you know what that we had [TS]

  one time with the teacher conference this is a hell of a look at the shop at [TS]

  one time I did talk to which owns his teacher about it not no way where I was [TS]

  trying to prescribe how I thought they should teach math things he found on the [TS]

  internet no not at all just sort of like what's your take [TS]

  and her explanation I do believe this is there's there's not as much point to [TS]

  memorizing this stuff going through life because everybody has computers with [TS]

  them everywhere they go [TS]

  you know it's like more or less you know but in a way that made a lot of sense to [TS]

  me that what you know if we teach them these story-based ideas but know that [TS]

  you know on the assumption that they're going to actually use calculators and [TS]

  stuff you know to do it they'll understand what's actually necessary I [TS]

  don't know something like what's the point of learning all this stuff if you [TS]

  don't know if you're never going to actually do it by hand any [TS]

  we don't get back to that idea of what's what peoples National kind of faculties [TS]

  are to use that's weird story in a slightly broader sense and you think [TS]

  about how many of the things you learn in elementary school [TS]

  either they won't be home with you get the story so the problem is if you get [TS]

  hit history died in an uninteresting whereby an uninspired teacher you see it [TS]

  as a collection of facts be memorized saying that as a story you know and [TS]

  there's reason why until I went to college i still contains call everything [TS]

  including arithmetic just math is that was math understand there's there's a [TS]

  bigger story to tell here then plus minus times in divided by any means but [TS]

  there are some people who really have that natural affinity of being able to [TS]

  just look at these patterns and it and it makes sense and maybe they're [TS]

  learning a word for what that's actually called but you know I just feel like [TS]

  having to having teachers who are able to to suss out and then put up with the [TS]

  parents who come in and give them things to kind of mother jones job I do I do [TS]

  think and I that sounds like is the same with with your school I do feel like the [TS]

  one died so the math you know I don't know what I know I i I kind of think [TS]

  they're doing it wrong but whatever but with writing I do kind of see where [TS]

  they're going and where I do object to the idea that doesn't count and then [TS]

  eventually it does start again but I do this we had the same thing they just [TS]

  want the kids to write stories lake from Mike first grade on and I do see that [TS]

  there that's very different I don't remember ever this writing I mean when I [TS]

  was in first grade we used you know me was the which were writing that was a [TS]

  MacGuffin the the whole idea of having like what you did over Thanksgiving [TS]

  nobody really cared what they did over Thanksgiving they want to make sure you [TS]

  could still write in cursive and you had a punctuated and spell it right now [TS]

  writing anything it was about demonstrating you had the mechanical [TS]

  skills [TS]

  yeah it whereas now it seems like it's more about they really wanted train [TS]

  those muscles in their minds at an early age to be able to express take your [TS]

  thoughts and express them and that worrying about spelling is just called [TS]

  it's just roadblocks to getting that out on the page and you know as a [TS]

  professional writer there is a line there certainly a very common line of [TS]

  advice for adult riders people writing that your first draft you should just go [TS]

  get it on the page [TS]

  don't worry turn off thing that makes red underlines and stuff like that and [TS]

  just go and get it out on the page and then go back and do the stuff like even [TS]

  upper case that the characters start that sentence you you know you [TS]

  misspelled words you know totally need commas to close don't worry about that [TS]

  the first draft I don't really write like that I kind of don't need to but [TS]

  but what you describe what I feel like I might be oversimplifying this but I [TS]

  really do feel like I was inhibited me a little bit was if if there was one thing [TS]

  where I got a little bit it wasn't things like English Language Arts you [TS]

  know and the idea of having to write a paper was not the thing that worries me [TS]

  or special to me the thing that I didn't like was having to go into the process [TS]

  of doing index cards I'd like index cards always have but having to do the [TS]

  index cards turn the index cards in an outline that you have to turn in as part [TS]

  of the theme rather fuck me I could write this thing in my sleep but all [TS]

  these all these other this weird artificial scaffolding that I guess [TS]

  proves I learned your process like that always got in the way and I think [TS]

  there's that still that voice in a lot of people said they want to write [TS]

  anything where they're gonna they're gonna years turn off the red underlining [TS]

  his that's how they do they're doing it right even if it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  what they're actually writing down I had the same thing like we learned in in my [TS]

  school elementary schools like this and it was a year after year wasn't inside [TS]

  one teacher was like the curriculum was this sort of form all you mention the [TS]

  index cards I actually did I i forgot about that remember the outline but I do [TS]

  think that there was a time when we were supposed to use index cards to learn [TS]

  when to library did your research [TS]

  like my answer pretty prescriptive way you're supposed to make notes on every [TS]

  card and the outline that had weird rules like you had to start like with [TS]

  uppercase letters next level of hierarchy was like lower case letters [TS]

  like if you use a numeral two instead of a Roman numeral to a place that was [TS]

  marked against you that our way to disrupt somebody's thought process and [TS]

  behaving and think about what kind of digit to use two breaks right just just [TS]

  to get your ideas that right and it was and I remember the Roman numerals part [TS]

  because I was something that I was never good [TS]

  absolutely never good at Roman numerals you know once I get past five with the [TS]

  whole thing we have put the one before the digital never never worked for me I [TS]

  mean I still have to sit there and when I'm watching the Superbowl kind of [TS]

  haitian I still have to mentally sick can't do it the equivalent of arithmetic [TS]

  to figure out of 39 I have no idea the Super Bowl is right except no I don't [TS]

  when they hit fifty 50 was awesome because it was you know what it was but [TS]

  it's just like an elder something p.m. I don't know I hate the Super Bowl freakin [TS]

  I've I really I wish I would have made like a public campaign for it it's [TS]

  really unnecessarily pretentious given the audience in a fancy but once they [TS]

  hit 50 that's where they should have stopped just you know just Super Bowl [TS]

  2014 Super Bowl 2015 numbers it's all ugly at this point it's really bad it [TS]

  was it only made sense the rocky films that they they use room never go beyond [TS]

  the number of Rocky films that the you know what that's cruel email you do if [TS]

  you need more than that you use a numeral thats exactly brought the upper [TS]

  bound on on room animals is where there was like seven something like that [TS]

  912 I don't know but they made the most recent one they didn't put a room in [TS]

  normal behind even they wouldn't break the rocky rule like they stopped adding [TS]

  Roman numerals and made like in a rocky forever rocky balboa rocky balboa rocky [TS]

  films gotta love Wikipedia I'm looking at it right now they went to Rocky five [TS]

  that's anyone's Creed Creed must be upcoming I think I heard about this off [TS]

  its creed grandson Jordan from the wire and look at that it's that Wallace [TS]

  Wallace buses everywhere now this is crazy so they went to Rocky five on the [TS]

  strength I'm ok with seven I think he is ugly I think nine is execrable and [TS]

  well-known IX see when you start going before the numbers thats although I [TS]

  think I told you when I was a kid we r creature feature was on W XIX channel 19 [TS]

  which is pretty great XIX says it's it's got like a nice too clever by half now [TS]

  but Palin Palin write a symmetry there's a there's a pretty visuals symmetry news [TS]

  the Roman numeral system [TS]

  how did they even had its amazing that a culture that came up with that had any [TS]

  success at all alone [TS]

  Empire 100% it really seems like the kind of thing you make deliberately [TS]

  difficult to confuse people it's like one two and three are your own wishes [TS]

  hope this is ok here's the 22 marks and guess what there is is three marks yep [TS]

  and what about for that I V AV hang on we're not there yet [TS]

  first learned a good point in the discussion you only have to get the [TS]

  floor before you and Maddie whoever came up with it you gotta say no that's [TS]

  tearing things like it just doesn't make sets you have to know about 50 it's like [TS]

  those directions where like you realize you should have read them all the way [TS]

  through before you started like he has something you were supposed to have done [TS]

  next step for its exactly exactly that's probably why my cable when I skip skip [TS]

  step by step before I did step 6 now but you know it's like like our our decimal [TS]

  notation it breaks down after a certain large number and that's why we switched [TS]

  to the exponential notation rare very very large numbers and you know that's [TS]

  and that's something I'd never made sense to me it made sense but I always [TS]

  had to go back and look it up and it's just telling you how many zeros are on [TS]

  the 10 something but it's because you know for dealing with those truly [TS]

  staggeringly large numbers writing it all out the Roman numerals breakdown at [TS]

  four with Popeye [TS]

  people have their reasons for wanting to get in 5250 plays implying that a little [TS]

  complexity that we accept it even if not always totally understand but they have [TS]

  an idea of fucking broken for that's i mean it seems like that that's a good [TS]

  first draft but let's try that again now can you do for single structure is [TS]

  unacceptable [TS]

  alternative I think I V canonical [TS]

  I think I as I recall I believe that it's it's in English language it's like [TS]

  it's gonna get the the italicized informal INF yeah yeah you're right on [TS]

  the 3rd I am like my father my grandfather share my name show their [TS]

  name I should say so I've had to live had to live with walking around putting [TS]

  my name and that's a bigger dick faster than having Roman numerals after name [TS]

  that's always the bad guy like an eighties eighties comedy for legal [TS]

  purposes you you you have to either dead now so I think I can fly on that a [TS]

  little better I'm senior look at this one is it i five of the 10 is an ex [TS]

  fifties in El so you can have sex xxx so I was right it was there was one [TS]

  glorious year where the supreme was like super bowl right but even that was at [TS]

  least it was understandable but even that it kinda looks stupid right when [TS]

  you think you're right when you think a lot of texts and you know and you know [TS]

  what I'm one of the reasons I feel like its stock is that acts [TS]

  you know I've said this many times in the show clearly the coolest letters [TS]

  yeah absolutely [TS]

  like that the whole logic behind calling the Mac operating system os 10 is just [TS]

  the the excellent school it's got its diagonals and look great it's just a [TS]

  girls cross [TS]

  look super x-ray vision you know that the letter for secret agents X-rated [TS]

  film right it's you know when you get on the smoker channels [TS]

  that's right now and I feel like that's why the Super Bowl stuck with a couple [TS]

  of texts always do Roman numerals for years on old movies is that the [TS]

  tradition rule [TS]

  industry thing you know what I mean when you say for the year he would always [TS]

  shown on TV shows and movies to show the year was made at always being [TS]

  Roman numerals I think it was just like format you know like a tradition yeah [TS]

  yeah I think it's just like a traditional tarantino didn't wanna is [TS]

  like retro like that roadhouse me when you see it like a title screen that's [TS]

  got a Roman numeral date on it that that really is a throwback to the Expendables [TS]

  let me take a break I got another sponsor wanna wanna tell everybody about [TS]

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  I have a file preview engine fully html5 compatible so you can preview everything [TS]

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  versions of files everything to do here talk about this thing called Gartner's [TS]

  Magic Quadrant now this is all outside my will have Casey's turns out in the [TS]

  parking lot but it's a big deal for for people who work you know probably a lot [TS]

  of you listen to the show [TS]

  work out there and where you know things like white papers are things you [TS]

  encounter all the time just this past week gardener released their famed Magic [TS]

  Quadrant for social software in the workplace [TS]

  it's a white paper they put out every year [TS]

  igloo appears for the sixth consecutive year that's right alongside this is who [TS]

  they're up there with Microsoft IBM Google VMware sales force and essay P so [TS]

  it's a report that values the size of the vendor in Gartner's terms of his [TS]

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  information organization and ease of use they also praised the responsiveness of [TS]

  a clue as an organization so really there is right there it's a third party [TS]

  you know gardener telling you exactly the things that I've been telling you [TS]

  about igloo for telling you it was all kinds of responsive right and what it is [TS]

  is it easy it's supposed to ask their whole point the whole point is that all [TS]

  these internets his legacy ones like SharePoint in the old portal technology [TS]

  where huge pain in the ass they were confusing to set up confusing to [TS]

  administer and confusing as hell to use that's the big thing I remember when I [TS]

  had you know had jobs and we used all those kinds of apps always even if you [TS]

  got the open-source ones always kind of filling it was the worst of every world [TS]

  there are difficult to deal with their real flimsy their real ugly use and [TS]

  nobody wanted to use them it wasn't just that they weren't fine it was just that [TS]

  you every time I would use those kinds of apps I think like I don't understand [TS]

  who this is for and I have used a glue and like you understand it you go in [TS]

  there he turned on the stuff you need to turn off the stuff you don't you get [TS]

  exactly what you want and it actually works and it is fun to use it to me it's [TS]

  like the difference through the old smartphones before the iPhone and it [TS]

  would be all these things in God and you know what this is what is how to even [TS]

  make an event in the calendar I don't even know how to get there and got the [TS]

  iPhone and it's like when I get it I just tap this calendar and there's my [TS]

  calendar and I had to go back down like that for teens sharing here's the thing [TS]

  and amazing to me three to use with up to 10 people so if you have a small team [TS]

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  nickel to make sure that everything I'm telling you about it is true and then [TS]

  they have really great you know once you go past 10 people they've really really [TS]

  great rates there's way less you pay for it competing crappy internet where do [TS]

  you go [TS]

  here's the here's the address igloo software dot com slash the talk-show [TS]

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  right here from the show my thanks to them [TS]

  good people really good piece and AM lxvi that Syria was bored what I miss [TS]

  horrible I almost feel against one of those things like dropping in some [TS]

  casual wear [TS]

  exactly what it's like I'm specifically mention this to them pretty sure you [TS]

  will know what it means to be generous right I spent a lot of a lot of time [TS]

  learning it so I now on I don't wanna sound fancy per se just dropping in some [TS]

  roman numerals and kept us in my mind right now I think it's good nice hey so [TS]

  before we before we wrap this up I wanna say anything it's your show you know [TS]

  I've noticed that some links creep and let's just be nice to think that it's [TS]

  just Siracusa [TS]

  I'm guessing brook no but there's been a lot of leakage time wisely yeah I don't [TS]

  know what to do about that I'm not against it but I think now yeah we're [TS]

  not talking about ecosystems it's probably better we keep this short but [TS]

  you know let's go met on it though that is good though I do I have absolutely [TS]

  positive is no denying that the show has gone longer where I used to try to keep [TS]

  it to be in our thoughts and our is what I did I've never done anything for an [TS]

  hour in physical for more than an hour and I've never done anything involving [TS]

  talking for less than an hour I i never are almost never hit that [TS]

  hour but I by trying to keep it in our I felt like it would keep it from going to [TS]

  two hours and then you know it'd be like hour and 37 minutes or an hour 45 [TS]

  minutes and now it just blows past the two hour mark every show and a lot of [TS]

  people love it and here's the funny thing to I and i think part of it comes [TS]

  to the fact that podcasting is still nascent media like to know but it still [TS]

  is our our idea of what they should be and when people will listen to him how [TS]

  often they listened to it it still liquid you know and I think when I first [TS]

  heard briefly called the Merlin show which is an interview show at it for a [TS]

  while it was tremendous amount of work for what we end up getting but [TS]

  everything I heard from people with you can't put this thing up you can have a [TS]

  youtube video that's more than 10 minutes there is nobody in the entire [TS]

  world will watch a video [TS]

  10 minutes really that's a stairway to heaven of online videos and like I don't [TS]

  know I think a fifteen minute interview is not too much to expect somebody could [TS]

  shake their heads data for podcasts I don't know if you remember this but I [TS]

  lot of the advice I heard earlier it was never got past 30 minutes just cause the [TS]

  files are so big and nobody will know anything there's a there there are [TS]

  technical factors like how long it takes to download and how much it costs to [TS]

  distribute and multiply the link live show by the number of people doing it [TS]

  and the quality of the audio [TS]

  especially that when we were everybody was hurting themselves with peter pan [TS]

  with i mean that was created in the prelims in days I was not that long ago [TS]

  I mean we're talking like five six seven years ago it was a huge when when dan [TS]

  and I first started doing the talk show it was just the download cost was a huge [TS]

  day it really was it was closer in [TS]

  relatively speaking in the in the grand scheme of things it was closer in time [TS]

  to the days of postage stamp size QuickTime videos then of like I just [TS]

  watched it to Tinos commercial in 1080p and it was like five times and I don't [TS]

  think they're going to be hurt because I did that you too can handle that really [TS]

  seriously when podcast darden I went to my first lipson account is the first [TS]

  thing I knew you know you get this space lives it was the first one I knew of the [TS]

  head unmetered bandwidth wished seemed completely untenable because it was so [TS]

  expensive [TS]

  hosted account just sitting there you're playing with will be gone in an hour [TS]

  even if your show was not popular you're done you could have a thirty make file [TS]

  the more than a few people don't litter yeah and there's things to like the fact [TS]

  that people listen using different apps so one person might have two or three [TS]

  downloads of the show because they've got one in iTunes their work and they've [TS]

  got one in iTunes at their home and one in overcast on their phone and you know [TS]

  it really really adds up at some point but today's world it you know the [TS]

  bandwidth is effectively free which is crazy we are used to get complaints a [TS]

  lot when we went over an hour [TS]

  people would say man I love you show but you gotta keep it under an hour show it [TS]

  and yeah just this version no not this version by the time cause this reason I [TS]

  think we're coming up on two years I think it's coming up top of my head [TS]

  Siracusa tech guy because all three of those were really good episodes they [TS]

  were really good talk show episodes I but not one of them was under two hours [TS]

  over three hours in a circular was like 300 303 and really good and it was 44 [TS]

  you know and Dave whiskas actually really doesn't it to show a lot of times [TS]

  the version I get published is a little shorter than what is recorded but the [TS]

  Syracuse issue we recorded the day before this Coco Conference in Philly [TS]

  was [TS]

  happen coca love which actually was remarkably goes a little hundred and [TS]

  fifty person IndyMac developer conference here in Philly it was really [TS]

  really great I can't can't believe it was the first instance of it was great [TS]

  to hear ya still thriving you know I've been to first conferences and they're [TS]

  never there always there cool like the first singleton was great but the second [TS]

  singleton was way better because they had like you know they knew like 15 [TS]

  things to do better than new to get a better venue in this Coco love [TS]

  conference I can't believe it was the first one because it was like a really [TS]

  great venue [TS]

  everything ran on time and really great but anyway dave was speaking at it and [TS]

  bring some interest so he needed you know he was going to spend time but I [TS]

  really wanted the show to come out that day Friday so Syracuse NY recorded [TS]

  knowing we better not screw up hopefully we will you know we don't have any kind [TS]

  of it necessary at it so 303 was like it was I don't think that I don't think [TS]

  Dave would have cut anything no but we do know it was a very tight show he says [TS]

  very compact time you'll remember that when he and Dan talked about goodfellas [TS]

  I mean was an hour longer than the movie raised but awesome if there ever is if [TS]

  ever you know it sounds crazy that your discussion of a movie would be longer [TS]

  than the movie but if it happens with us and we did Eric Lindros it's actually [TS]

  easier than you think [TS]

  yea well because you can you know if it's true if it's truly a good movie [TS]

  there are details there's little things that go by like this in the movie you [TS]

  know in a snap but that if you really stop and think about are worth a lengthy [TS]

  discussion if you're somebody Lake Siracusa what that movie or me with Eric [TS]

  Lindros maybe like another one for me would be like Big Lebowski or they're [TS]

  certain movies where did just that I like them it is just that I think [TS]

  they're really good isn't just the right things to say about them it's just that [TS]

  there's so many things nobody's ever bothered to ask me about that I thought [TS]

  you know you're like this there's so many things I've been thinking about [TS]

  about this thing for years but no one has ever asked me about in this is the [TS]

  only chance in the entire world I'm gonna get [TS]

  to talk about this unified field theory about like you know you're single point [TS]

  perspective with Stanley Kubrick how many times we get to talk about that how [TS]

  many times you get to talk about the way steven spielberg uses thirds of the [TS]

  screen it's like I'm probably going person ever noticed this but I got a lot [TS]

  to say absolutely I do know and like I said in the early days we used to get [TS]

  complaints when we go over an hour from some people and I understood it totally [TS]

  see like I you know it and I don't want to be corny about this but is in a way [TS]

  that it's an honor that people read my stuff and read my writing it's in some [TS]

  ways even more of an honor the people listen to the show when I appear on [TS]

  other people's pockets because it's even more of your time it takes longer to [TS]

  listen to a podcast jump in its simple little bit off of a blog post I mean if [TS]

  you're gonna sit down to an interview Unitech into Syracuse interview you [TS]

  better bring a sandwich when I really a lot of people [TS]

  Jonas was just saying to me about how he he notices when he plays video games [TS]

  like nintendo games and they put again the cutscenes and the characters on [TS]

  screen talk and they put subtitles underneath that he always read them even [TS]

  though you know they're talking and I said you know why I said I do the same [TS]

  kind of day and he said you know why I think it's because you read faster than [TS]

  you can listen and he's a yeah that truly you've already read the dialogue [TS]

  before they're even halfway through the sentence and it's like you know so [TS]

  people can read their entire by way faster than they can listen to the show [TS]

  so it's a real honor and so when people would complain that the show is too long [TS]

  a very good point because it's a privilege that you're giving me even an [TS]

  hour of your time but I don't get any complaint anymore I don't know if there [TS]

  are people out there listening right now who silently hate that this show has [TS]

  expanded and time you should write to me and let me know because you know I'd be [TS]

  interested to know that but what I've been hearing lately is people who love [TS]

  it [TS]

  well my feelings on this have really evolved I receive gone full circle but [TS]

  they've done something very very near to full-service circle [TS]

  and in the short version is I think it depends on what kind of show it is you [TS]

  know think about this I mean think about like if you listen to I'm just listening [TS]

  to the show on slate culture gabfest it's something about half hour long it's [TS]

  perfect perfect in length [TS]

  you know it's also a radio show it's a professional journalist talking an [TS]

  organized way and it makes a lot of sense and you wouldn't want to go on for [TS]

  four hours if it's if it's in you know part of the thing when you're listening [TS]

  to Lake well i'll be brave enough to talk myself in here but like a show like [TS]

  this show Lake definitely ATP and audience a show like roderick on the [TS]

  line for their cause you wanna see how this unfolds [TS]

  skip any of this like you want to see here's where it started [TS]

  what happens next we're gonna go from now on I mean and I think that's really [TS]

  different from the topic obsessed outline driven show that a lot of people [TS]

  have come up with it in the can be very tight series of my feelings of fault I [TS]

  mean the joke I used to make when I first heard in a podcast 43 folders in [TS]

  something like 2005 was a pretty long time ago so 2005 2009 [TS]

  you know quickly not too long after that but anyhow back then the joke I was made [TS]

  was like nobody wants to listen to like three guys talk about units for three [TS]

  hours that's what podcast used to seem like they were totally unedited they [TS]

  were i mean that I'm being very general but they were they were intended they [TS]

  were recorded and a lot of people who were not used to having heard what their [TS]

  Wii sounds like for a long time and they would just run on an audit so for me at [TS]

  first it was like the 44th podcast like it was rarely more like seven or eight [TS]

  minutes as I had internalized that like that's how long should be people are [TS]

  going but what puts on their iPod I guess that's a big file keep these small [TS]

  chest a little bit of a nice today I don't know if there's any messages that [TS]

  are longer than our they're usually like 35 minutes yes it was it was very sitcom [TS]

  for the first time in a long time the other day for election day was it who [TS]

  voted to listen to that one and I cannot believe how fast it went by I was like I [TS]

  was it like I'm just settling in for the first month or break on talk show by [TS]

  this point you know but now today [TS]

  have to say a show like yours like I don't find myself checking my watch or [TS]

  you know what's the problem connected shows like that shows like ATP ATP be [TS]

  two hours long and I'm totally fine with it I'm just there to listen for however [TS]

  long it is at normal speed I do the other cast thing right through the [TS]

  automatically you know clip out pauses part but I never listen it artificially [TS]

  high speeds up a little bit I pump it up a little bit of 1.1 1.5 yeah like a 1.2 [TS]

  or so [TS]

  end up being about one point one or so I think with overcast but you know if you [TS]

  get used to it it's no problem but certain shows with lots of music I [TS]

  turned that off because it drives me crazy and then like an audiophile [TS]

  i'm saying is the bottom line yes it has changed a lot of things for almost [TS]

  everybody if people like your show and we quickly and frankly at that time it [TS]

  drove me nuts because they're like an hour and 15 minutes I feel like I've [TS]

  really gotta pee and the show is getting way too long the people would be like oh [TS]

  god please record everything from every second that you're ever on the air and [TS]

  put it out like you've got to be kidding me look after you work with that of [TS]

  missing or that is does the state of mind kind of hard to groc no I honestly [TS]

  I'm not you you're not a huge podcast listener are you know because I think [TS]

  that there's so many that I like but I just don't have the time in my weakness [TS]

  in its cuz i dont i dont community that paper how's that helping with podcasts [TS]

  but they are you can be very time consuming and if you wanna jump in the [TS]

  flophouse you know fully appreciate the thought policy gotta really go back and [TS]

  listen for Roddick online if I could say it pays to go back and listen from a [TS]

  ways back but even with a new show you get two shows that are two hours a week [TS]

  I mean that's half a work day you know people have died have no hesitation [TS]

  letting you put roderick on the line out there as an example of that this type of [TS]

  show that people the people who love that like that she'll love that show [TS]

  yeah I always see people say like it's a common thing on Twitter where where if [TS]

  there's somebody who's on this show you know my show that they really like [TS]

  they'll say I would love [TS]

  roderick on the line style show between you and insert that person every week [TS]

  that's that's like the people who most like somebody said it was Syracuse's [TS]

  last episode but I C you know other people like it when you know Joanna [TS]

  stern is on with me and she's so good but we and we do I do I always think [TS]

  when I recorded her but people say like I would just love like roderick on the [TS]

  line style show style you know it is that's where I have gotten there with [TS]

  you today in the past cuz I think we really where we are defining three white [TS]

  guys talking about nothing shows right that was funny though because the [TS]

  editing aesthetic of you look nice and that show is super tightly edited right [TS]

  like behind the scenes like like going into like the dark room and it's there's [TS]

  thousands of strips of you know you know I guess Adam used to do a lot of the [TS]

  ending was an editor I mean until super busy at the end he always had it wasn't [TS]

  right back the clock was doing it there's always a place with touch it [TS]

  right but the thing that Adam would come out with was this 35 minute thing that [TS]

  sounded as though it was just a lot of people thought a lot of people like how [TS]

  do you write together to use Google Docs estelle getty playing playing testicles [TS]

  I mean like we wrote that it but it also it did feel it felt written but yet also [TS]

  felt so easy you know there was an easiness to it felt like you guys could [TS]

  just sit down and in 40 minutes come up with a 35 minute you look nice today [TS]

  just right off the cuff me and I appreciate you saying that it's you know [TS]

  so much of it was out of work and you know I would go back and [TS]

  I didn't do this I have most of the time I would listen to the wrong version and [TS]

  then the edited version especially later on and it's amazing to see would take [TS]

  stuff and change the order of it he would duck stops talking over each other [TS]

  because everybody else in the world he believed even how many things are day [TS]

  for that matter like a madman sit near him to listen is bullshit and then have [TS]

  to figure out where to talk but I can't I would never do that in a million years [TS]

  completely crazy but I don't drop in some music or something you know it it [TS]

  really you know there's a special show it on but it got hurt our own show [TS]

  edited it became clear what show to do while we're recording it sounds silly [TS]

  but like I think they probably needed strictly speaking less editing as we [TS]

  went but that just gave out a more fuel to like you know something interesting [TS]

  out of it but I yeah I i one of my theories on why the long shows longer [TS]

  shows are getting more palatable is that people are better able to listen [TS]

  wherever whenever right like we didn't have you know when you you say you know [TS]

  what was the show starred in 2005 as forty folders and then quickly right so [TS]

  there weren't you don't even have a phone that could play right let let [TS]

  alone an eight gigabyte phone that you could easily fill a bag that you can [TS]

  head to carry around all day it was it was an effort even with the iPod iPod [TS]

  there was still a fair amount of effort to keeping that up today and you know [TS]

  now you could run out of spite who puts like I have to clear out space I always [TS]

  going to start with something like it's caster overcast as I have four gigs of [TS]

  audio files in there I think about that the about how crazy that is like back [TS]

  then that stands apart of your iPod could be filled up in no time so yeah [TS]

  you're right and you know it's it's commuting its people who take trains and [TS]

  use headphones and people with cars that have some sort of Bluetooth connectivity [TS]

  you know you load up your overcast with a bunch of shows [TS]

  and they're always there you don't have to do this stupid thing where you have [TS]

  to download it to your computer first and in tendering from iTunes it's huge [TS]

  it's absolutely huge into action was when you did not have to be hooked up to [TS]

  a Mac it seems like I can future improvement in retrospect that like to [TS]

  me in retrospect that that's that's when everything changed over there I think [TS]

  it's largely responsible for the fact that podcasts are like a real part of my [TS]

  career now I mean as I get significant portion of what I make a dent fireball [TS]

  comes from the show and its I think it's entirely directly corresponds to when I [TS]

  got untethered from the computer when they became full of that caucus growing [TS]

  interest in doing fireball yes it's interesting that your timing is good for [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah and it's I think that's also why the longer shows are seemingly palatable [TS]

  maybe the people who hate them have given up and stopped listening I don't [TS]

  know but I think it's because you always have it with you and even if you don't [TS]

  have to our chance to listen to this all want you just listen to the our first [TS]

  hour [TS]

  you know I one time when marco was on a couple months ago I actually it went [TS]

  real crazy long like this over two hours and so I literally broken up into two [TS]

  episodes gotta remember that there was overcast and look for a parts you know I [TS]

  think it was like four hours I think I had to be broken up but it helped me [TS]

  because I was behind on the sponsor you know things in the second but [TS]

  you know that they had fallen behind schedule and it just [TS]

  yeah well it's because you know I don't have a regular probably would help if I [TS]

  got used to try to record every Thursday which is what we're doing this but no [TS]

  matter what I do it seems like I don't know I never recorded more than 40 [TS]

  episodes here I would do i would do 52 but it's pretty consistent that it comes [TS]

  out to 40 because sometimes I just for show that I don't really prepare for I [TS]

  just come into it I find it mentally exhausted by the time I'm done talking [TS]

  to you here I'm going to be spent that they were not allowed to say I feel the [TS]

  same way they feel tired after after recording a podcast on times and I've [TS]

  told you this before on my mother's father was a coal mine as a coal miner [TS]

  and he died he died of a disease called black lung and leg at the age of 17 he [TS]

  died of blunt talk about computers for 20 right but I remember you know what [TS]

  but I remember he was very kind man and you know I was only in 1st grade when he [TS]

  died but he was never one in a pop-up you know he he always had a secret stash [TS]

  of cookies [TS]

  Pepperidge Farm sugar cookies which is what a great name for sugar sugar cane [TS]

  no actually let let's go ahead with this is right but this is me complaining [TS]

  about the exhaust how exhausting is to talk to one of my bed rest and dearest [TS]

  friends for two hours [TS]

  and you know I'm [TS]

  two generations removed from a man who went into danger is dark black hole [TS]

  breathing black dust that would eventually kill him an early age I don't [TS]

  even had at the show and I'm complaining for everybody about how hard it is but I [TS]

  do I find it you know and somebody it does give me an enormous amount of [TS]

  respect for professional broadcasters like howard stern could do it every [TS]

  freakin day our six hours a day [TS]

  yeah I cannot believe morning edition where you know morning edition starts [TS]

  you guys get a starting at six in the morning it starts raining here at three [TS]

  in the morning to get into the studio 23 in the morning to to record that show [TS]

  you may do that every day for years for a career [TS]

  ridiculous the chicken and egg this interesting here we can do it now cuz I [TS]

  was sitting here waiting for your cable get fixed and thinking about you know [TS]

  how how strange it is the way the system is changed where you know I never really [TS]

  understood what was going on in the world of consumer technology especially [TS]

  as it related to me right up until the top of that stuff I've done some work [TS]

  with companies like even the small record labels and stuff talking about [TS]

  her son really guys you're you're facing up against my space here you're facing [TS]

  up against cos I hear here's the things to think about you know in terms of [TS]

  having a strategy that works for moving beyond being in Sam Goody because that [TS]

  was a conversation that really need to be had and one hand that conversation [TS]

  but fine as they like for me I was that guy I was the internet guy four years [TS]

  going all you're gonna have to put out a high quality mp3's of your stuff in no [TS]

  DRM and that didn't happen for a really long time and then suddenly was selling [TS]

  no DRM mp3's and I was like huh I was right all along [TS]

  and how long ago was that without letting me be four years ago three you [TS]

  know how to be longer but like just pure mp3's with no DRM when was that he lets [TS]

  you see six years ago whatever it was something that I guess I went into a [TS]

  long winter's now because then I woke up and asked to see the numbers so then [TS]

  they become what the largest retailer music retailer in america for a while [TS]

  right [TS]

  was not the case store ya know but you have you watched the strength its cool [TS]

  like I was here I was being mister futurist guy were all you gotta do is go [TS]

  sell your stuff on the internet but like I can't believe how long it took to go [TS]

  from that juggernaut to now watching that deadline go down and now as you [TS]

  wake up and suddenly everybody wants streaming and I just I'm not be kind of [TS]

  running over my mind where was I was I just did that happen when my daughter [TS]

  was young and I just missed it but it really seems like it so quickly went [TS]

  from this tortured slide from like the late nineties you know now what have you [TS]

  got to the point of stuff online that seemed like it took forever but in my [TS]

  head it feels good in the blink of an eye that's really start to go away [TS]

  quickly [TS]

  yeah you know me I'm trying to think about my own consumption of stuff we [TS]

  like you know again how long does it go that we got the iTunes Match couple [TS]

  three years ago but couple years ago he because steve Jobs was still in the last [TS]

  two years I've been sitting there with MusicBrainz like making sure I get the [TS]

  right mp3 date in there to get everything synced up and get the high [TS]

  quality version and that some point I stopped sweating this much I was buying [TS]

  less I was eating less and I was listening to a lot more podcasts and [TS]

  still have been trying to have had this last weekend I'm trying to figure out [TS]

  where it went [TS]

  that I spend most of my time listening to podcast is absolutely not the case [TS]

  even like five years ago I would listen to music all day long [TS]

  even listen to radio all day long I'm not saying I'm not saying the podcast [TS]

  listening is what's causing that to change but I wonder how much of a factor [TS]

  that is at least amongst people like us by musical us we talk about music maybe [TS]

  it's cause we're getting older but I don't know I really feel like they're [TS]

  still just a huge change underway right now I was thinking about it with this [TS]

  the the way that the streaming is clearly the future and you know it by [TS]

  buying music is over the last years kinda over the last platform for buying [TS]

  we I got caught up in it to where I thought that the way the music industry [TS]

  worked was every decade or so a new format comes along and instead of buying [TS]

  vinyl now you by cassette tapes at my teenagers was was a tease and that's [TS]

  there was the cassette I had all of my all of my money was tied up in cassette [TS]

  tapes and in the nineties came the CDs and it kind of sucked because I had to [TS]

  buy actually did I did that thing that the music industry you know loves I [TS]

  Reebok music on CD because I wanted it on CD could you could you could sort of [TS]

  blind yourself to the ridiculous cost of that back then it was what 12 13 bucks [TS]

  for see ya you get to the pricing well okay on the one hand the quality of this [TS]

  straight out of the box is gonna be like twice or three times is good however you [TS]

  perceive it to be so much better and I now I'm never gonna have to do this [TS]

  again is this is this will be a perfect sound forever this this city will last [TS]

  in in exactly the sound exactly the same than a hundred years never gonna wear [TS]

  out etcetera etcetera and then you know digital came in it was clear that you [TS]

  know better [TS]

  download me not to worry about keeping track of all these discs nobody can [TS]

  never say never gonna lose the disc again member when you'd really be in the [TS]

  mood to listen to my review I read but we want to go in the other room I would [TS]

  go and get like I'm in the mood for led zeppelin for when you want Led Zeppelin [TS]

  for you gotta have and i'd go get the desk and over the box out of the box set [TS]

  open it up and the disc isn't it [TS]

  sleeve guess what you know and I just figured the distributor way would be [TS]

  where is clearly it's just going to streaming but I think back to my [TS]

  teenagers Tues I spent on it I'm tons of time listening to FM radio and such [TS]

  anything beyond public radio or occasionally baseball but like members [TS]

  into regular radio feels really foreign to me if you like a parody of radio yeah [TS]

  yeah it doesn't feel like the real radio it's just like this if you don't watch [TS]

  TV in the afternoon for a while and then you watch TV in the afternoon you are [TS]

  these poor people today yesterday I don't know why I don't even know what [TS]

  it's like lawsuits and like medical devices and you can buy needles needles [TS]

  delivered to your house if you received the TMZ Shia I swear to god this is your [TS]

  homework everybody listening everybody listening to all of you myrna man you [TS]

  include [TS]

  I swear to God go to your TiVo and have it set don't don't don't subscribe just [TS]

  have a record one episode like tomorrow like the Friday afternoon episode of TNG [TS]

  here's the show it's a half an hour I think I don't know maybe it's it's it's [TS]

  just a couple of guys in the camera shot with cameras in the TMC newsroom they've [TS]

  got to be in LA I don't know if they're not delayed shocked so they're in LA [TS]

  they have a newsroom and they have maybe forty or fifty employees and they're [TS]

  just talking about the stuff that's going to be on TMZ that on the website I [TS]

  guess it's just celebrity gossip and then they just make but it's all it's [TS]

  mostly scandalous it's not like carpet DTE this is scandalous stuff and it's [TS]

  just sit there and make fun of people for his first car ad with that little [TS]

  judge crippled general guy more commercials the commercials [TS]

  the commercials are you so so the content sure I mean the judge shows [TS]

  that's what the commercials are the worst and that's what I get when I was [TS]

  into the most radio it's it's so gross well as the political novel that it's [TS]

  just you know what you're describing them I guess seems like every decade [TS]

  everything would change and then you know and then by the nineties it seemed [TS]

  like it was really settling down in early 2008 was amazing for me was [TS]

  ironically enough of course it was on one of my devices like probably the [TS]

  Amazon fire TV which is easily my runaway favorite entertainment device [TS]

  right now and when it looked like Amazon at some point did that thing where NEC [TS]

  most of the CDs you bought a kind of grandfather you into an electronic copy [TS]

  about this [TS]

  yeah by the mp3 version if you bought the CD they had some kind of deal we're [TS]

  basically if you buy the CD in your locker or whatever you would have all of [TS]

  your old files and I do with our God I wish that would change everything from [TS]

  me I would its acrobatic to do right now I can do it and spend a lot of money or [TS]

  I can do it and run a lot of Python but it's it's just it's such a pain for the [TS]

  experience of justified text but I want the paper book How I hear ya I hear you [TS]

  I wish they would do that will things like that up my god I don't remember [TS]

  crying like half of these albums and so many albums are from the early mid 2000 [TS]

  2002 2005 and you can even see at that point so many songs in my locker [TS]

  represent CDs that I bought as a court of last resort wear like every one of [TS]

  these artists I can see the eye-rolling went through my mind was like this store [TS]

  gonna go to download it from somewhere if I want this you know Fairport [TS]

  Convention gonna have to buy this CD and I got it took it out I ripped it in a CD [TS]

  went into a pile and now all this goes for coming back to me it's so strange to [TS]

  see that transition I can't unless I mean do you remember the last time you [TS]

  got a CD [TS]

  know where to go to get a CD at this point apart from him I say me born Amy [TS]

  part 1 maybe she didn't even buy them maybe she's in like this like a fan club [TS]

  says she can get like stuff like that and maybe they descended to maybe they [TS]

  did I think that maybe maybe cuz she's pays an annual fee to be in the fan club [TS]

  they sent her the CD I don't have strange though you talk about you know I [TS]

  even remember in like story especially in the mid late nineties I guess the box [TS]

  sets right you gonna really appeal to the collectors to the dingaling like you [TS]

  and me we're going to have all these I'm never gonna read by them and they [TS]

  the booklet special special version isolated vocals you know the beach boys [TS]

  will let excellent the police one was pretty good police sounded like a [TS]

  midshipman 81 CD's first came out [TS]

  they've really very first hearing account lantos do more [TS]

  it certainly somebody was running some kind of air pressure background but but [TS]

  but now I mean it suddenly I felt I woke up and even think even I am different [TS]

  now [TS]

  like point being that like there was a time when like you convince yourself a [TS]

  collector your CD collector and you collected them and you put them on the [TS]

  shelves in a certain order and you look pretty and for me the last gasp but that [TS]

  has been like Apple used MusicBrainz with the C dot org is a really good site [TS]

  for finding metadata metadata on pretty much any audio you can ever won its like [TS]

  the basics you know you've got these four different kinds of media that's the [TS]

  one to go to music stuff and Eminem called picard keep it cool app we can [TS]

  probably of mp3's on and you pick which album version that is and it's super [TS]

  smart [TS]

  humidity right and I feel like my head that right there [TS]

  me getting a record that I got somewhere dropping into the card is the last gasp [TS]

  at me as a music owning collector [TS]

  knee sprain the meditate on that could this point I'm sitting there going okay [TS]

  matched uploaded you know rejected like I don't care anymore like I signed up [TS]

  for beach music and now most of it is there and all the sudden all of these [TS]

  files are like virtually meaningless and I have it listed it totally as somebody [TS]

  who is has been obsessed with music for forty years I can't believe how much I [TS]

  think I could live without almost all of that stuff and it's really weird yeah [TS]

  it's exactly there with you I used to have it you know i didnt i didnt Biol [TS]

  compared to most of my friends private probably but fewer CDs than many of them [TS]

  but I certainly had a lot I remember you know in college thinking and it was [TS]

  absolutely positively no hyperbole that most of my liquid net worth was tied up [TS]

  in CDC's in blood [TS]

  first thing i wana meet somebody go to their dorm room or later apartment very [TS]

  first thing I do is look at their books and look at their CDs and see like how [TS]

  much I could learn about them from working it like how they organize the [TS]

  CDs did they organized a series books that they have to they have which ones [TS]

  are obviously much read in which ones were untouched books didn't have the [TS]

  resale value though the CDs did cause you can what you can do for CDs when [TS]

  you're strapped for cash is sell a couple you know you'd find a couple that [TS]

  you haven't listened to for a while and you'd get you know 67 bucks for him you [TS]

  know and then they do you could buy the used ones for like $9.99 [TS]

  you know there was a little bit arbitrage in there but you could you [TS]

  could take four or five CDs into the CD store in and come out with absolutely [TS]

  but but you know it wasn't more than a few years ago that I remember hearing [TS]

  Lake it seemed revolutionary even in me my child's life time it seemed [TS]

  revolutionary to me that there was a service where you could mail or drop off [TS]

  all of your CDs and now get ready for this what they're gonna do is there [TS]

  gonna rip all those at high quality get the right metadata send them back to you [TS]

  on a hard drive like I swear to Christ if you like about five years ago that [TS]

  still seemed amiss and now that seems like the craziest Rube Goldberg machine [TS]

  I've ever heard in my life it would be like I'm attaching memory cycling [TS]

  why would I do that today I don't know speaking about podcasting the question I [TS]

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  fundraiser in one of the set up a new website like for this thing with the [TS]

  kids school and had like a budget for $5,000 or something which is a lot of [TS]

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  were rolled my eyes Marco stuff like you guys are nuts you guys should just give [TS]

  me a day and he like went up Squarespace for the PTA and like 10 bucks a month [TS]

  and set it up and came back in like the next week's meeting it was like here [TS]

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  and everything that you guys were budgeting $5,000 for now it's $10 a [TS]

  month and it just write it and liked what he said is that he did it he did [TS]

  invest a little bit of time to get it up and running and pick a template and get [TS]

  things set up and configure it but now it's just we don't have to write [TS]

  documentation you don't have to write this is my kids preschool where like [TS]

  I've always been like look you don't need to know what I do for a living [TS]

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  pull weeds and pick up cat poop with headphones on and I will be happy please [TS]

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  down the person who knows the password find the person knows the password in [TS]

  the privileges that we can ssh agent and its you look here's the thing [TS]

  have somebody span one hour literally copying and pasting text from the pages [TS]

  that are up send it to me and I will have a website for you by tonight and [TS]

  then we'll never speak of it again and it's like it's a game-changer I honestly [TS]

  I think you're exactly right that's the key thing to take away with Squarespace [TS]

  is even if you don't need right now [TS]

  file them away in your back pocket for when you need to set up a website for [TS]

  someone and then you don't want to you know you said you know people who may be [TS]

  in some cases could make a site that will not stand up that well but they [TS]

  certainly do not want to have to be maintaining their church's website in [TS]

  perpetuity [TS]

  well we did it we have heard one of two and half bucks here [TS]

  235 buddy people like it if I guess I mean that sincerely go to a right to [TS]

  trade to me at the daring fireball email thing [TS]

  you know there's a link on the website and let me know if you really hate these [TS]

  long episodes let me know nobody else is saying that people are saying they [TS]

  really did you know I think of it as you know I like I said I do it seems like I [TS]

  do about 40 episodes a year but they've gotten longer so I am podcast the time [TS]

  change some of them cry when 24 hours wrapped around International Date Line [TS]

  is probably some of Europe's says that are there are still playing somewhere [TS]

  like all the time to be it the funniest moment on this whole recording was sad [TS]

  sound you made when I said that talked about thompson he's spent a lot of years [TS]

  trying to figure out a lot of things done and there are some little bit [TS]

  saccharides [TS]

  get stuck in the machine and people who are living on a different day it just [TS]

  makes me fucking angry I hate as I understand it I know and I don't [TS]

  understand that I've been no I mean like when you find out that the dinner is [TS]

  gonna be like you know like 10 hope the actual pics had a delicacy you're just [TS]

  not prepared for that level like somebody hands you spray you say like he [TS]

  say like can I have coke and Diet Dr Pepper what the fuck is not what I [TS]

  signed up for the lottery I'd we always tell people I do think that that's when [TS]

  you when I get together to public service just can't get final update on [TS]

  internet internet how things could get it fixed account but they still get a [TS]

  text from them but other machine here is on the wifi and it is seems to be [TS]

  running a nice amount [TS]

  the dog cat or less for having me it's always a pleasure [TS]

  been too long has been too long I'm I'm it's it's always a lot of fun to do I [TS]

  really enjoy your show and it's always great to be here there's a branding on [TS]

  dogs and cat like maybe they've got like it maybe they have a good commercial [TS]

  that involves a dog you know it to random thought they needed something to [TS]

  be in motion it was so clearly composited from stockyard so let's just [TS]

  click when people get what you guys really take some time to go look at this [TS]

  and I want you to realize that he's on a ladder behind an orange cone to know [TS]

  where he's going to know where they needed some dynamism in it so what you [TS]

  have a horse galloping you could have a dog chasing maybe you could have [TS]

  something falling from the roof of a satellite dish burn like I don't know I [TS]

  think the dog and cat are therefore dynamism I guess experience I really [TS]

  hope I hope that whoever made that graphic that somebody you know work [TS]

  primary here in Philadelphia working in the Comcast our you know it the graphic [TS]

  design job and are you know agree and dreams of a good job listens to our show [TS]

  knows just how much joy they brought into our life making a graphic that may [TS]

  be why they were making it was a bit of a treasury is I got today it really made [TS]

  my day me too man I just did the drop shadow by the cone was really really [TS]

  absorbing from me get over the idea of with a collision China made me think [TS]

  about that when I'm sleeping in a room and let's tell people where they can [TS]

  find out where we're gonna get more tomorrow mint.com me on Twitter Follow [TS]

  Me Go is a really good show but econoline dot com but that's out there [TS]

  yeah people who need more more podcast that would be the one to start to trek [TS]

  tips and tricks life hacks [TS]

  wife had a life thanks thank you [TS]

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