The Talk Show

98: ‘Far Less Eloquent as You’, With John Siracusa

 

  fashionably late as always it's pretty good for me it's because you guys do the [TS]

  live staying on a TPC you've got to be on time people are in there in refresh [TS]

  on their website that's not why around time why you want self respect standards [TS]

  discuss people you're a person who is representing for us here you go into Las [TS]

  Vegas Motor happen but there's sort of a West Coast personality trait to discuss [TS]

  move which is also your move is like nine o'clock rolls around or over time [TS]

  were doing and you realize oh I forgot about that and you immediately petition [TS]

  for his teammate delay and then you have a five minute delay after the 15 minute [TS]

  you sound like you're in a good mood [TS]

  sure sure why not week so I finished listening to now probably an episode [TS]

  behind those you guys probably recorded last night for context we are we are [TS]

  recording right now it's Thursday October 23rd you guys probably did in [TS]

  ATP last night but it's not out yet so I might be biased but I did listen to last [TS]

  week's show you talked about 70 review we talk more about it yesterday and [TS]

  yesterday's episode as well so well I'll try not to venture into duplicating the [TS]

  same story territory in 20 min say you know what I want to do you know some [TS]

  people time says things like the thing with all podcasts and you know this is [TS]

  kind of like it's like a first draft of your thoughts are and you just kind of [TS]

  on the spot and you start thinking about it and you start talking about it you [TS]

  know I do I can I ramble in Psych given time to think about that like I think I [TS]

  could say that again [TS]

  better and then obviously the ultimate as you like to write it I can actually [TS]

  figure out what they really think but just so you know anyway [TS]

  duplication I don't mind [TS]

  give me a second chance to get it right totally in in a big picture was thinking [TS]

  about this I don't know why because I guess it's it's just the way you human [TS]

  mind works but somehow ten-point 10 feels like a milestone in like 10 even [TS]

  though it's not you know actually the 11th major version and it's the 12th I [TS]

  guess that you've reviewed because you did the public beta how many how many [TS]

  Mac OS 10 reviews so I did Developer Preview to develop preview 3 developer [TS]

  preview for public beta and and all the release is in there was also one or two [TS]

  thrown in there that weren't really reviews they were just like random like [TS]

  head just went to Macworld and here's some more stuff you might want to know [TS]

  about aqua you know but if you want to go by the releases started ep 22 yeah [TS]

  and I can't remember what I think I played with the BMW right up so I'm [TS]

  thinking about this and you mention this on ATP any money online but there's a [TS]

  chance you're thinking that maybe this last one just published last week maybe [TS]

  last when you gonna do you do next year's yeah you know we can get into [TS]

  that a little bit later but I just thinking in and nice even round 10 I do [TS]

  think podcasts in general in you having been doing one regularly either ATP or [TS]

  choke on critical it seems like forever but it's not like wendover critical [TS]

  stern I think like twenty eleven years but to me there's this huge difference [TS]

  as you know I knew when I got to know each other you know when we first [TS]

  started emailing goes a long time before a match but we are at least as email [TS]

  before down fireball started working at you're still working out some of the [TS]

  story and ATP you gave me my first Campillo BBEdit or whatever the current [TS]

  version without them like it previously had commenced work to buy it from my [TS]

  work but you work to bare bones is a free copy of yet [TS]

  no wonder I lasted their school is giving away the Surefire customers yeah [TS]

  i dont no we have we've known each other since before there is even during [TS]

  fireball and and it's you know our interests are are are common first name [TS]

  aren't you know the fact that we're thinking exactly the same age even 1973 [TS]

  I don't look old but I feel like the universe was dead was destined for us to [TS]

  know each other somehow like it just seems like it seems like no matter what [TS]

  you know how the days of enrolled somewhere you know in the intervening [TS]

  years we're going to get to know each other through the small world back then [TS]

  like the Mac nerds on the web it was just like it was very well using IE five [TS]

  and experimenting with CSS and reading zelman and like an apple doesn't go out [TS]

  of business and before that we're all read and you know we could you talked [TS]

  about last night cast and Mac user macworld like it was such a small world [TS]

  like if we don't if we both got the same Macworld Conference of Bollywood have [TS]

  bumped into that's almost certain it was it was they were small back then it was [TS]

  you know you would inevitably meet everybody you wouldn't have that yeah [TS]

  you did you see the same people year after year it's not like to be deputy [TS]

  see where it now it's like so crazy and you go and it takes some of your best [TS]

  friends you don't even see them here like hadn't even even run into someone [TS]

  so and it's just a very different but as someone who's always been a huge fan of [TS]

  your work at ours these these massive book-length reviews it's such a profound [TS]

  change now that your podcasting because they used to be that John Syracuse says [TS]

  as a brand was something you got sporadically almost like on an annual [TS]

  schedule yet to wait a year in between but when you did it would be like a [TS]

  massive mainline doze [TS]

  how different it is now that you have a weekly outlet and we all get plenty of [TS]

  John it's so different it's hard to imagine going back to that I had for a [TS]

  while and ours when they're doing like staff blogs or whatever there was a [TS]

  period and I'm always surprised when I go back and look at it like there was a [TS]

  period where I was blogging if you want to call it that pretty regularly on the [TS]

  staff blogs like I'm amazed at the number of things I wrote there I forget [TS]

  what I even relate it's like you know it's not that the volume that you put [TS]

  out a regular basis but you know how it is but you can't remember what the hell [TS]

  you wrote and I of course I remember all my reviews caused a big punctuated [TS]

  things and there's a few special stories in between there and retrospectives and [TS]

  I did like a game review and all sorts of crap you know but I can remember [TS]

  those but then there was just like at one point I was doing one or two pagers [TS]

  every couple of weeks for ours and I look back on that body work and I am [TS]

  happy with an ad like it is just like it was never there was there was no [TS]

  official or foul it wasn't what I do now it's just sort of ramble on a weekly [TS]

  basis we're just off the cuff or whatever it certainly wasn't the big [TS]

  long lead-up to a giant [TS]

  you know review it was kind of in between he and I guess podcasting is [TS]

  totally filled that role now because i dont have you know Twitter and plus [TS]

  podcasting have destroyed my ability to block not that I had much of an ability [TS]

  to do it to begin with but I may get back into it [TS]

  views and I'm not sure you're meant for it I don't know I feel like you've found [TS]

  your thing that is more it's it's like I always say that to me and everything in [TS]

  life in general rule it's the extremes where things are most interesting to me [TS]

  like a daring fireball the best posts are mailinglist 12 I think of just one [TS]

  word dad or two words you know good luck with that or something like that or the [TS]

  big long one thousand multi thousand-word its when I have a post [TS]

  that like [TS]

  300 words then I know I'm in trouble that i've you know either should be able [TS]

  to make this point much more succinctly or being lazy and I need to go deeper [TS]

  and I feel like with you it's you know you've found your your your I'm not [TS]

  going to spend a lot of time on this poor man it podcasting [TS]

  you'd like to spend all the time was just five more like less prepared it's [TS]

  like more more thinking out loud and you know going back and forth on the blog [TS]

  format like if I didn't have an actual their regular day job took my time I [TS]

  think the thing I like about that is not so much that any individual posts [TS]

  anything special but you sort of build up a body of work with like little [TS]

  reference points like a very frequently I find myself thinking back to you know [TS]

  I wish I had something that I could point to about this and podcasting as [TS]

  you know it's harder to like it's hard to ask people to go go back to this [TS]

  thing and I get to give them a time stamping out to look up and find out [TS]

  where everything is well as I can just point to a blog post I talked about this [TS]

  specific issue in a one pager and you can get my take on it there and [TS]

  individual one pagers not a big deal 12 pages but you know I have few of them on [TS]

  hypercritical echo I i refer to them frequently and a lot of times I wish the [TS]

  things I had said and worked out on the podcast let me do the same thing as far [TS]

  as Marco the pentium either write about it for us and talk about a podcast talk [TS]

  about enforcing that becomes a post your website and I find it frustrating that I [TS]

  can't point like the podcast or so invisible like they're they're femoral [TS]

  and you can't like a point people into the mood seems like asking more than [TS]

  just having them read a paragraph or two on a web page that you send them so I do [TS]

  wish I had more time to blog is available I don't like I'm not forcing [TS]

  myself to do it or whatever but I think a lot of the reason that you know this [TS]

  kind of weather blog terrible offense that the arizona racist are coming out [TS]

  yearly at first it was like they would just be quiet period where I wouldn't [TS]

  write anything but I'm just doing a review in a quiet period expanded to [TS]

  fill the whole year and so it's like well I guess on doing [TS]

  Twitter and worry about writing reviews yea well said how do you have any word [TS]

  was your your review has to this last is like the same about post as you follow [TS]

  me on Twitter it's like this I think this was last year I can look at the [TS]

  number its like 26 K 27 case I'm like that is that a hypocritical yeah as I [TS]

  dot Coco com guy wants too much money do we get for the best but we got the taiko [TS]

  somehow it read like somehow this top-level domains are such a weird thing [TS]

  because the whole thing is so gross and never should have been exposed to end [TS]

  users anyway [TS]

  filename extensions but they've become part of the world we live in [TS]

  dot com is just invisible right at somebody has whatever dot com and you [TS]

  just it's like the the nothing to me even though getting a dot com is [TS]

  incredible [TS]

  difficult cuz everything and everything was taken by the end of the nineties in [TS]

  the intervening years something about . Co which is people who don't know it's [TS]

  the nation columbia's top-level domain it reads like dot com and I you notice [TS]

  it how is not always you know but it has that same effect of like you just [TS]

  accepted that's why I can't even remember that hypocritical guilty it's [TS]

  kind of like a in our web 2.0 we like Flickr really bossy are kind of like [TS]

  comedy Bosque am kind of twee sort of precious merger mania really I just got [TS]

  it because you know their extensions far worse [TS]

  died us' you know . business but plumbing whatever they're so bad I just [TS]

  can't believe some of those anyway if you went to the site you'll see it at [TS]

  this it's my like the format of Denver the past three years it's like a [TS]

  template and I just changed numbers like mad libs and at the bottom of steps so [TS]

  27,000 word what's the I think that it's like the average size of a novel is [TS]

  somewhere around sixty thousand words so it's truly book length and the weird [TS]

  thing to me is that they have you settled in around this 2527 case size [TS]

  for the past like three or four not through any time just over to my own [TS]

  business that's how it worked out you know it's you know like that about how [TS]

  much work they can do on an annual basis on Mac OS 10 and it's more like that's [TS]

  how much I feel like I can or should write because there's more I could write [TS]

  about it every time I always ran outta time and I would like to hold giant [TS]

  sections but I was like I prioritize them I said well yeah I'm interested in [TS]

  that and I think I could write another few thousand words about it but would [TS]

  devalue it adds to the review and the interested as you be worth the time I [TS]

  put in you know and how much time I got schedule is because we only have so much [TS]

  time to it it still kind of compresses at the end there's only so much you can [TS]

  write about when things don't work and they're in the broken in a bit and Apple [TS]

  has made final decisions he got a you know the final bit up to come down and [TS]

  then you have to scramble [TS]

  so if we added them all together and I know that the sizes are different for [TS]

  some of the old ones but it's it's about 15 reviews a different talking to the [TS]

  11th number version and you did said you did D P two D P 34 so it's fourteen or [TS]

  fifteen it's an enormous body of work and really truly is and I know that it's [TS]

  not one single piece of war that if you read them all back to back there's some [TS]

  sort of repetition that would be going on because they follow a certain formula [TS]

  but I do think I think it's such as it's such an interesting testimony to have [TS]

  like twenty years from now and take over that they'll be out there for them to to [TS]

  look at and remember you know where things are that's what I hope people [TS]

  like to thank for young people give it to him they already done to hear about a [TS]

  look back on our great works and tremble and how often would we refer to a [TS]

  similarly detailed review of the system to from 1985 you know the Apple to [TS]

  anything like that are you know somewhere somebody would need it I think [TS]

  this bill for me those of ever go back and look at those levels they just cant [TS]

  standard just like it's terrible I hope you feel the same way but I really [TS]

  writing I'm like holy cow this has been like she's always like I guess I knew I [TS]

  liked it was it was certainly more casual back then and I was aware US [TS]

  Ryder and the combination of the two is just and really I don't know like you [TS]

  didn't know what was important than one was in the things I focused on it just [TS]

  seemed inane have a lot of difficult that a lot of people are going to go [TS]

  back and collect all these together into one big thing the most painful part of [TS]

  it would be that if I was to do that and you start reading you start reading and [TS]

  stuff are in 1999 think is not good just not good [TS]

  I mean I hope I we feel that way I kind of you know I kind of feel like you know [TS]

  he gets to get to a certain point and I just think everything alright described [TS]

  as soon as I write it and you know I just make as good as they can in the [TS]

  time allotted to move on but it's like programming like if i dont have a look [TS]

  back at the code I'm writing this year like 10 years from now I don't look back [TS]

  at the GoToMeeting this year and think it sucks I have done I can totally see [TS]

  that I look back I did learn this and there's a get it wrong [TS]

  think it was one of the great titans of modern computer science see their [TS]

  current again or rich you're one of those Bell Labs guys who said something [TS]

  about the debugging is twice as hard as programming and so if you write code as [TS]

  cleverly as you possibly can [TS]

  you'll never be able to debug it because you need you need an intellect twice as [TS]

  great you need you need to write your own code like a half wit so that when [TS]

  you do by guitar when you ride for me personally when I return to it that I [TS]

  can understand what the hell's going on I know that saying I understand the [TS]

  sentiment behind it but the logic in the same makes no sense and it's mostly BS [TS]

  and the details but in broad strokes trying to say the idea is that you know [TS]

  later you'll come back to your own code and not understand it and that is [TS]

  entirely true and so what he's trying to say is to mitigate that don't try to go [TS]

  make your life harder by doing things that are difficult to understand even [TS]

  now when you're in the midst of totally informed my use of comments is my [TS]

  comment I used to clear of course cuz I was a teenager and early twenties and so [TS]

  of course I didn't want to write any comments at all and I only did it [TS]

  because when I might see as professors had to view comments are automatically [TS]

  lose like 10 points [TS]

  so I just commenter stupid you know the the smartest teenagers comments [TS]

  restating logic of his life had one done exactly where as the light that went on [TS]

  even I don't write much code anymore but the light down on eventually was [TS]

  comments are like time travel you're talking to your future self who is [TS]

  utterly confused as to why you would do this seeming there's this doesn't seem [TS]

  like it's necessary to tell your future self here's why you're doing it why you [TS]

  want to keep it and it's made my code at least for my own self maintenance it [TS]

  made it all the difference in the world [TS]

  yeah there's a couple days like the early phase several things I don't need [TS]

  comments cuz I'm writing this now and I understand or not is that in the future [TS]

  in the second phase is realizing that's not the case and you start trying to [TS]

  come to be known about it could come in sorry and I think the third phase is [TS]

  finally realizing that if you write the code in a sensible way you only need [TS]

  comments on the tricky part you should minimize that and when you do need to [TS]

  comment on the tricky part you know how to write it in a way that will be [TS]

  illuminating rather than either the tricky part where you're doing something [TS]

  pretty clever and that it's you know a month goes by it's gonna be out of your [TS]

  head how you pull that off cos you're in the zone or for me a lot of times it's [TS]

  the you're working around something stupid and the workaround makes if you [TS]

  didn't know about the stupid thing that work around looks like it's what gets us [TS]

  why would you ever do this is done just you know don't do that and running for [TS]

  your future self easier than running for other people in your organization where [TS]

  your programming has lots of other programmers at the very least when [TS]

  you're ready for yourself you can you you can retrace your steps and you will [TS]

  arrive at the same conclusion again but other people don't do that because they [TS]

  react differently to the same stimulus basically so far other people were you [TS]

  trying to do is you have to put the wise but also like what is the broader [TS]

  context as whole thing what is even going on here are there any assumptions [TS]

  that are understated because you assume there [TS]

  their obvious to everybody but won't be obvious to someone new year from now [TS]

  yeah there's like writing comment is basically just basically writing like [TS]

  it's the same you have to communicate to people in plain language but they reduce [TS]

  ambiguity like two different to different goals different purposes [TS]

  different audience but it is writing and that's why programmers are so bad at it [TS]

  because their skill sets tend to not cluster frequently per people who are [TS]

  happy and comfortable programming are not happy and comfortable writing prose [TS]

  yeah I guess it's true that a lot of times and I know I know where the where [TS]

  the intersection of the blaze the programmers who who are good writer like [TS]

  brett Arends a great example rich so yeah i know i know i mean do we all need [TS]

  to read their blog is another great example man when he doesn't write much [TS]

  but when he does it is so sick cent and to the point and it's it's exquisite [TS]

  like I I often refer back I have a copy of the BBEdit to point to manual the [TS]

  first public version of BB at it and it's just like a model of clarity is [TS]

  such a good piece of technical writing did he write that 10 parts in there goes [TS]

  the couple of other credits but there's a little what would you call blog post [TS]

  now it's sort of like why does BBEdit exist whyyy on the Mac would you wanna [TS]

  programmers text editor who would ever wanted it more than 32 Kb [TS]

  it's more of its more like a personal mission statement for BB it and it's [TS]

  just terrific I said actually see if he'd let me see if I can re-run it or [TS]

  something I think it'd be an interesting especially now that be at 11 so maybe I [TS]

  should see about getting in on the internet as I think it stands up lo [TS]

  these many operating systems later he writes if you met him you can't help but [TS]

  read it because they're such a percent the mannerisms and the pacing the way he [TS]

  would say those things that comes through [TS]

  I just saw somebody tweet tweet the other day at a time it was to both me [TS]

  and you but to a couple of this where they relate now that we all have podcast [TS]

  they can't help but read everything we right in our own voices and I was here [TS]

  that and and I it's kind of nice was it means a lot of our pockets but also kind [TS]

  of cringe because I can't do writing is very good to be better at the house but [TS]

  i wanna way smarter when I write because I got all this runaway and I could you [TS]

  know speaking who knows what the hell comes out but writing I got my chance [TS]

  right and so it's almost a shame that they know you know stumbling it's that [TS]

  are behind the words like riding a secret weapon I got all the time in the [TS]

  world to figure out where this is going to be and is no wasted words in those [TS]

  stupid idealism and obviously again with longer views at a certain point it's [TS]

  gotta be like that that's that's the thing about this phone reviews all the [TS]

  stuff like early on and still to this day of MIS 10 reviews I'm a slave to [TS]

  getting out whatever idea it is in my head I have a point to make something to [TS]

  say about something and I have like 17 points to make and 17 things to say [TS]

  about it I want to get them all out and I sacrifice the quality of the writing [TS]

  many times because I'm like this this could be said more elegantly in a [TS]

  different way but it wouldn't have this one extra little bit of new on tonight I [TS]

  talk to myself like what do you care that one like this point is sufficient [TS]

  you don't need to go into this other details like no I wanted and so I make [TS]

  some awkward sense and I put that other point in there and it's why I hate [TS]

  myself for doing it but a lot of times it's like an overriding thing is say [TS]

  what I want to say and secondarily try to say it in a reasonable way and that's [TS]

  not just another way to make good writing but that's a lot of times when I [TS]

  do my last interview [TS]

  let's take a break I'm going to thank our first sponsor back for a second time [TS]

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  you put on your been really really good prices [TS]

  seems like a crazy thing to buy on the internet but in terms [TS]

  eventually we're gonna buy everything on the internet looking to buy cars on the [TS]

  internet you go there they have it it's two technologies they call it just the [TS]

  right thing just the right balance it's two different technologies latex phone [TS]

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  they they did it for us there in the mattress experts they've designed a [TS]

  really good mattress I've had regular I've tried and tried to regular memory [TS]

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  their mattresses in like that always just enough that memory stuff that it's [TS]

  comfortable but it doesn't you don't feel like you're sinking into it it's [TS]

  it's crazy did you get one of these John Deere did was it casey you got a free [TS]

  case ago we were thinking of getting one just because we know so they sent me one [TS]

  is really do in this country show they send one and it so how does a mattress [TS]

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  small you can't believe it but it's because it's like to kind of phone they [TS]

  like vacuum sealed the mattress and it ships in what is still decidedly a very [TS]

  large package it is way smaller than a a mattress so put it in the room here [TS]

  gotta sleep in it then open the box they've got instructions that tell you [TS]

  exactly how to do it and let it expand [TS]

  but it works it is absolutely amazing it works it feels a great mattress I really [TS]

  liked it and the prices are so much less than the prices you pay for mattresses [TS]

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  its from the same brand like sealy [TS]

  havoc six different Seeley's the next door you go to has six different [TS]

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  the same mattress because they do this to make it really hard for you to [TS]

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  mattresses on the internet what the hell next year and also are a team already [TS]

  buying cars yeah I guess you can buy new cars I think so [TS]

  speaking a big box as shown up my arm action of today so I started i [TS]

  pre-ordered it [TS]

  day one so must have been a week ago of course I gotta build order and it said [TS]

  three to five days and had a target ship date of October 24th to 28th and I think [TS]

  it was a wide range because it was over a weekend I did like 30 bucks for [TS]

  expedited shipping so I checked last night before I went to bed and it said [TS]

  you know I got a notice that my iMac was ready and it was in China and then at [TS]

  ten o'clock in the morning today my doorbell rang and it was here so from [TS]

  what I went to bed last night it was in China and it and I am it was at my door [TS]

  which is crazy magic of air traffic can't help but think that when they told [TS]

  me it was in China it was already really over the pacific but still it's kind of [TS]

  a kind of a standard and a lot of people may get their pictures of their boxes [TS]

  arriving so first batch came quickly [TS]

  everybody wants to know i guess i talked about here's a review eventually but i [TS]

  dont by Max real and then you even mentioned it on ATP like I just just now [TS]

  replaced 2008 MacBook Pro that I'd upgraded to an SSD at some point which [TS]

  couple more years of life but it was really really aging and my desktop [TS]

  display as you know it's it's it's like a 2004 20 inch Cinema Display [TS]

  Syrian 04 as reckless as I am buying a new iPhone every single year the [TS]

  opposite with Max I like to get one accident and then use it until it until [TS]

  it ridiculous field now you gonna find out if you have any glaring their room [TS]

  because I'm looking at the 23 interaction and that it's Matt and you [TS]

  know what you don't know if you have any series Claire issues if you've been [TS]

  using a matte screen for the past hour many years you'll find out now you see [TS]

  your face when you sit down in front of your an iMac that was that's one of [TS]

  those things where I think they've gotten better at it and I know that it's [TS]

  it's the sort of thing you can write about them they can advertise be really [TS]

  have to see it the anti glare at the thing that they've done with the new [TS]

  iPad there is pretty interesting but i wanna know why didn't he to the new iMac [TS]

  20 knots not laminated I think think the reason that in laminated I assume is [TS]

  maybe it's just hard to eliminate some of that but you know you know how did [TS]

  you take the glass often in the screen is behind it and they landed them [TS]

  together I guess you would like to take the screen off when you opened it up and [TS]

  then you have to like disconnect the cables or whatever interests maybe you [TS]

  make it weird to disassemble I don't know but anyway laminated together and [TS]

  so you've got that air gap which increases the glare and also that's [TS]

  where the dust gets caught you ever had to bring those are two of two to pet [TS]

  peeves that you and I share together I do not like glare on light displays and [TS]

  I do not like she noise so I'm pretty pretty pretty satisfied I'm pretty sure [TS]

  that it's gonna be I didn't take it out of the box I had too much to do today so [TS]

  I did I was ready for it but I'm pretty excited that it's not going to be noisy [TS]

  and a little worried about that [TS]

  I'm kind of glad to have the Apple 24 inch display and working on the first [TS]

  one that was kind of like the iMac touchscreen works that looks like [TS]

  Thunderbolt Display by 24 inches and it was a predates it but it's not the same [TS]

  thing air gap and the screen in an office with you know fluorescent lights [TS]

  and also had things in there are reflection things but the compared to [TS]

  all my coworkers displays which like these delicate ViewSonic things are even [TS]

  like their their laptop displays and stuff just the brightness and viewing [TS]

  angle like that they're ridiculous brightness of these things have the LED [TS]

  backlit screens you never crack on to the brain was a regular house but in an [TS]

  office setting we're just you know the fluorescent lights are everywhere is [TS]

  also super bright the ability to crack your screen up can really power through [TS]

  any other sort of Glarus just it's so much easier to see thanks to my screen [TS]

  than anybody around a look at their screens and you can't see it as a bad [TS]

  because everything is so damn in money so there are advantages to this this [TS]

  type of design Mauritius crystal-clear visa glass and a super bright screen [TS]

  behind it that worst case you can just crank it up against my wife has a [TS]

  wonderful display right behind me and I look at all the time and I know what's [TS]

  really nice too so I'm gonna be ok with the screen like the one you've gotten [TS]

  your iMac yeah the thing that makes him feel pretty good about it is that ok [TS]

  with the glare on the current MacBooks [TS]

  at least the rain and one that I have now does it does a laminated to there [TS]

  are maybe they are I think they are thinking because I think that my first [TS]

  impression when they first had the red-nosed 15 actually back at WNBC [TS]

  overlooking Jason Stolz whatever it was like the colors were like up on the [TS]

  surface of the same type of thing he got with the iPhone 4 and yeah I guess he [TS]

  may be that they keep the whole lid so then seriously seriously well I still [TS]

  feel like that I i remember when it was sort of a many years it was a maybe [TS]

  minds around three or four year period where there is like this great divide [TS]

  between for laptops at least glossy and matte displays and Apple stuck with Matt [TS]

  and hope PC industry went glossy and every time I go to Starbucks or [TS]

  something and they'd see people using Windows PCs just be flabbergasted at how [TS]

  like reflective their displays are and then Apple started offering it was like [TS]

  a choice i know i three years were you when you buy a new era I guess it wasn't [TS]

  even my books yet but you get a choice between man and that's one of the things [TS]

  I never hesitated for a second it was of course I want that I think he remembers [TS]

  I know what the PC people did for their glossy ones they didn't do what Apple [TS]

  has come to you now I just have a clear piece of glass on top of LCD screen I [TS]

  think maybe Apple's first glossy screens but certainly also the PC glossy screen [TS]

  sort of kicked off a thing for plastic but it was like super shiny plastic a [TS]

  novice polycarbonate or something like that but it had kind of like a sticky [TS]

  wavy kind of look instead of what you get from piece of glass because you know [TS]

  dead flat and like stiff you know i mean and that made the screens looking not [TS]

  only shiny but also cheap and I seem to recall Apple's first class he just was [TS]

  being like that too and that's why I was like who in the world would ever want [TS]

  that just looks awful when they switch to the big glass big heavy piece of [TS]

  glass and metal is heavier and it was a great nap is huge air gap at least that [TS]

  look a little bit classier to me like more diverse a more honest materials in [TS]

  01950 yellow glass we're gonna do that for years that that's settled things [TS]

  down a little bit but but even then and a lot of people who got the matte [TS]

  display just just for reflection reasons yeah I totally did [TS]

  so funny though that's is that that used to be at them and I'm still in awe [TS]

  because my display my desktop displays so ancient and it's literally 10 years [TS]

  old in 2004 soon after its like a relic I have to say it was money well spent I [TS]

  don't know you stayed with 20 and resolution probably die i feel myself [TS]

  just I wish I could get out of this 23 inch 1920 by 1200 I that's just like [TS]

  barely big enough to contain me but I feel boxed in though I always have time [TS]

  but eventually I got used to it and you know that your pared down like your work [TS]

  environment where you like you don't have as many windows open as you would [TS]

  normally having just come to try to go into like I'm just gonna have one [TS]

  central window is text editor and then off to the side of my web browser the [TS]

  budget ads and that's you know effectively with a 20 inch display it's [TS]

  a lot like using just a supersized like the lunch tray MacBook you know the 730 [TS]

  likely to fullscreen fullscreen but for the most part everything I'm working on [TS]

  this just in a stack of windows and after command tab between them [TS]

  does not you know it's not be enough to do a lot of side by side so I'm really [TS]

  looking for a 27 inch and now I have over the many years honed by sort of [TS]

  like layering and positioning system for my windows which other people look at [TS]

  can make heads or tails but when I am constrained that I start have a lot of [TS]

  Windows I start running out of places places to the corners to poke out like [TS]

  that's you know the system is like a weird I got things in corners and window [TS]

  size and shape so that I can find a clickable region that's just the way I [TS]

  work with Macs you know starting from the eighties but when I just have too [TS]

  many damn windows I run out of places to have quick stop in if I ever find myself [TS]

  a new command failed command tabacum until the within [TS]

  to cycle through the windows I feel like I've been defeated by the lack of space [TS]

  so I really I really can't wait to get a 27 inch equivalent to appoint resolution [TS]

  screen so I can review it and I literally didn't even take it out of the [TS]

  box but having seen it firsthand last week and I know a lot and then the [TS]

  stores now too and I've seen a lot of people who were at least going in to [TS]

  look at them it's it's gorgeous it really is it's it's why I don't rush [TS]

  into replacing my desk at least six year old computer and a 10 year old display [TS]

  but it's I didn't hesitate to buy one and I know you guys talked on ATP that [TS]

  it too risky because you know there's a lot of times first-generation stuff from [TS]

  Apple has kinks to be worked out [TS]

  image retention of course is a huge question mark at this point I think [TS]

  jason said just now did Marcos little immature tension tests and said his iMac [TS]

  which you got any it does well pass with flying look so same seems clear on that [TS]

  front unless they're using to manufacturers and he got the bride and [TS]

  that's that's possible because snails is a review unit and they you know I don't [TS]

  know for a fact that I'm 99.99% sure that they sanity check the reviews [TS]

  they're they're not like factory sealed you know that there's a white glove [TS]

  guide to make sure that everything that this is a good you know there's no user [TS]

  and factory sealed cuz I just got for the first time I got a much longer Apple [TS]

  hardware further yosemite review it and it looked pretty darn fact they rapin [TS]

  backup how can you do that like that was that was a game again as a novelty for [TS]

  me to be getting review hardware and part of the game I played with I'm going [TS]

  to wrap these things so they look like I didn't take them out so I saved all the [TS]

  standard put it back on and putting it back on his super hard like you can't [TS]

  get a lined up right now can you wrap a gift [TS]

  Korea it doesn't look good looks when I wrapped gift it looks like that it does [TS]

  not look like a nice even matter how much I try I can't I know how to do it [TS]

  now and have reached the age where I know what I mean to do to make it look [TS]

  good but at a certain point is don't care anymore like you [TS]

  comes down to having the right length overhangs no amount of skill unfolding [TS]

  is going to save you and you realize you know how to write overhangs and you try [TS]

  to like trim it to make their own then that just get the ragged edge just like [TS]

  you know it's crystal fullbright get there comes a point where you set out to [TS]

  make it like I wanna rap on as good as my wife can rap but eventually I run [TS]

  into that situation and I think wait this is just gonna be garbage 10 seconds [TS]

  after I give it a try to think that I think about what you're doing it [TS]

  especially you having something and yes I can give your wife and your nose we [TS]

  even doing here but like you just got its gonna plow had bravely rapid in the [TS]

  received may remember wrapping things in the funny pages that come with your kids [TS]

  nobody does that anymore probably going to be late newsprint all over everything [TS]

  and was like who does I guess it was just like our parents saving money on [TS]

  wrapping paper or maybe you know maybe a little bit of column a saving money in a [TS]

  little bit column B we're all of a sudden it's Saturday forgot who I forgot [TS]

  it was Saturday morning and the party is it new [TS]

  and you remember you have the gift you bought the gifted you know target the [TS]

  other day but you didn't buy wrapping paper cuz you thought you start a closet [TS]

  full of it and you don't and just used the Sunday paper that was definitely I [TS]

  would I would say when I was a kid like lower grade school I would say probably [TS]

  about a third of all the gifts that I got were wrapped in the Sunday paper [TS]

  Sunday well I wonder how long have to go with the school books being wrapped in [TS]

  grocery bags oh I remember that covers right so I think they still do that but [TS]

  now the big thing in the you know the fancy stores like Whole Foods and [TS]

  everything is to have a cloth reusable cloth bags you know make all that paper [TS]

  waste so I wonder how long those things will be around yea long can you get a [TS]

  paper bag Whole Foods gives out paper bags yet if you don't if you don't have [TS]

  the little cloth bags you forgot to put them in the trunk of her car they give [TS]

  you a dirty look in the paper bag they had like a passive aggressive oh you [TS]

  didn't bring back a few not care about the Penguins who gonna choke to death on [TS]

  the bed and stuff and well enjoy your $5 avocadoes organic I've heard the dishes [TS]

  I've heard that if you eat organic produce you cannot get people there [TS]

  finally is an advantage there's a reason to buy the $0.89 a pound organic bananas [TS]

  instead of the 69 cents a pound [TS]

  regular bananas because it'll it'll immunize people they come with organic [TS]

  for flyers invade your house if you leave their absolutely adorable fruit [TS]

  flies [TS]

  I'm as as take a break do a second sponsor because it seems like a good [TS]

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  event a little bit too before we get into yosemite but i wanna take a break [TS]

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  just do it so my texture works great with you say so [TS]

  last week's event I thought it was [TS]

  it was a little weird and I touched on this with Phil Schiller was he flat or [TS]

  not and i got a bunch of emails and tweets from people what's up with phil [TS]

  was he like you know something wrong with it seemed distracted as a yes I [TS]

  didn't notice it during the event I thought phil was just sort of downbeat [TS]

  Phil not you know just like this is not a big deal file and then I think it was [TS]

  a very deliberate I think it was sort of low key maybe I would say I wouldn't [TS]

  distract well but he is always like that to some degree right he's the pace of [TS]

  his speaking and his presenting sounds always a little bit weird like that [TS]

  maybe he was up next to people who are doing more fake enthusiasm about things [TS]

  or being but I just occasionally does seem distracted by stuff sometimes I [TS]

  feel like he's distracted thinking about the next thing he's gonna present even [TS]

  though he's been doing this for so long [TS]

  like these think about the next 20 percent trying to remember the things [TS]

  he's gonna do in the demo or whatever and he'll get to get inside his own head [TS]

  about that and like forget to fake enthusiasm about something that has seen [TS]

  a million times before but did not stick out to me much like I mostly just as [TS]

  well as a low-key guy and this is the way he presents seen it so much they [TS]

  kind of fades into the wall paper but I i always occasionally see kind of be [TS]

  distracted from aid maybe he was afraid that if the timing of things this before [TS]

  or after their road trip type thing now that the demo the guys who like that a [TS]

  typo during his thing and they fixed it and post remember that oh yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  who made the video video editing thing I forget if it was after that it's like he [TS]

  could have been thinking about that but he's like her so many times had to be [TS]

  scrapped the standoff you know what it was before that I don't have a splash [TS]

  yeah what was the deal with that I didn't know that they fix it in post I [TS]

  remember I didn't notice it during the event let people pointed out was it was [TS]

  it a feathery demo agreed mistyped road trip now it was it was like people who a [TS]

  third party software developers who they are and they were they were not native [TS]

  English right here is the guy who is reserved running the demo machine he [TS]

  fell victim to auto correct that I think it got a corrected utah Ute our road [TS]

  trip with its road trip and the guy shook his head and was pissed on himself [TS]

  and auto correct and then just cloud for the demo but then in post they have [TS]

  somebody could you do this and post day risk free screen capture the screen [TS]

  image and froze his image of himself before he does the handshake and then [TS]

  transitioned mmm post head shake it was pretty good at it like this side by side [TS]

  to see the person you see the screen and it made it seem like that did not happen [TS]

  or just fine as pretty cool it is shows you that Apple sweat the details are ya [TS]

  know like never heard it so many times and you could see the AutoCorrect bubble [TS]

  like we all know I don't have space bar is going to complete two is my favorite [TS]

  little detail I am actually it's like to to get the iPad review had to shelve it [TS]

  but I still wanna write my during fireball piece on my thoughts on last [TS]

  week's event and my favorite little thing and I'm not surprised you won't be [TS]

  surprised but I had to double check is that image that they used a couple of [TS]

  times showing you know a watch phone and iPad and MacBook and iMac like that [TS]

  I thought clearly like an homage to like that evolution image even out story goes [TS]

  the other way where the Mac was first other products you know came later sort [TS]

  of left-to-right newest oldest but I thought that was really telling image I [TS]

  thought it was especially telling daddy used it multiple times early on with Kim [TS]

  Cogan in like in the wrap up but I checked and of course they made two [TS]

  versions of it the first one was with an iPad their original iPad air and the one [TS]

  they use at the end when Tim Cook closed the iPad is thinner and its know yet if [TS]

  you look at them side-by-side it very noticeable that they made a second [TS]

  version with a thinner iPad even though they're only showing them from the side [TS]

  and it at any given moment was it was impossible to tell which generation iPad [TS]

  was because it was from the side that they made the iPad Mac external case [TS]

  proportions change at all with the right now [TS]

  yeah I can't tell cuz that's the one I would look for a replacement but if [TS]

  they're exactly the same appeals to tell from the side yeah if they had slimmed [TS]

  down or maybe you can tell from that angle that they're obviously very proud [TS]

  of it though when it first came up I read it just like I knew they weren't [TS]

  trying to make a text book but it kinda look like Hello had been on my mind that [TS]

  weird social network things like it's kinda looks like it could be letters [TS]

  they could spell things out without if they want to but that's not what it was [TS]

  the evolution thing is much closer analogy because it's from you have a [TS]

  hunch thing to the standing up things got a bit it's all swollen right even if [TS]

  its yeah yeah i'm looking at them now side-by-side it did change the lighting [TS]

  on the iMac in the between the two slides and it makes the day after one it [TS]

  looks a little thinner but I looks to me that it's just that they change the [TS]

  lighting [TS]

  and there's less of it and show more of it and shadow this is a different [TS]

  product like a different products like you know when they when they brought up [TS]

  the new iMac take a shot of it the lighting wasn't the same as when they [TS]

  had that older iMac ticket out of it so it is a bit like I think you look too [TS]

  few people talking about this I mostly agree with whatever personal link to [TS]

  there was talk saying like this is cute and all but doesn't communicate to [TS]

  people who aren't already on board much of anything because regular people might [TS]

  not even understand what they're looking at it along with devices which like [TS]

  Apple was clearly excited and proud of it and we Apple's always nerds thought [TS]

  it was clever and interesting and and because you had to find some interesting [TS]

  way to show these things that just like here's all the screens of black borders [TS]

  at Apple makes they come in different sizes right and you know one of them has [TS]

  a little stand at the end so coming up with new and interesting ways to [TS]

  photograph Apple's product line is a challenge that is mostly irrelevant to [TS]

  people who either work at Apple heard in following up for a long time whereas if [TS]

  you throw that image up in front of regular people I'm not sure how well [TS]

  will communicate anything I read to them at all but I you know the audience for [TS]

  this Apple event and Iran is not the iPhone event this is the the lesser [TS]

  event in was in a town hall small room mostly of interest to Apple followers I [TS]

  was appropriate venue for that image but not sure how I read it that's why I [TS]

  found adherence to parts to the to the Apple presentations not necessary to [TS]

  have but there's two types of messages they seek to convey some are for the [TS]

  mass market and they sometimes even showed that actual commercials that [TS]

  they're going to put on real TV show the commercial right there so it's exactly [TS]

  what they're going to be pushing in their marketing to hundreds of millions [TS]

  of real people through advertising but then other parts are the as close as [TS]

  Apple will get to inside baseball and that's meant for like us in the media [TS]

  who are then going to [TS]

  you know it's it's it's like they're playing a bank shot they're trying to [TS]

  get us to understand them so that when we write about them to the mass market [TS]

  that we're going to have it right that we we see what Apple is going to [TS]

  emphasize the parts that they think will tickle are the fancy of of the Apple [TS]

  fans like they're going to show you the video but the manufacturing process and [TS]

  emphasize the beauty of one particular physical teacher so that in the hopes [TS]

  that when you write your review that feature the you might have overlooked [TS]

  you'll say well I just showed the whole five-minute video of a factory in [TS]

  johnnie obvious why we're all talking about it and some of its more prominent [TS]

  your mind this is basically basic you know talking to the press type of things [TS]

  but they will never gonna show that video the Mac Pro factory during you [TS]

  don't care about the necro doll period and certainly not how or where it's [TS]

  built all the things that had about the unibody or whatever like think it's a [TS]

  it's unibody and they can give the thing out or whatever they can to show that [TS]

  you know computer controlled milling machines with the water going over them [TS]

  and just talk about it forever like when they came out with the MacBook Air and [TS]

  then see the subsequent universities they really hammer on that to try to get [TS]

  the message across to the press who would then get the message across that [TS]

  hey I know you understand what unibody is and I know you're gonna see it's one [TS]

  piece involved but it actually makes a difference and it's a big deal and [TS]

  that's that's the bank shot five-minute video on CNC milling machines and that [TS]

  totally translates to a little bit extra emphasis when the first unibody process [TS]

  in the consumer-facing product reviews [TS]

  another that I just love this image and I think another after somebody compared [TS]

  it somebody on Twitter compared it to one from one of the recent events that [TS]

  Microsoft had [TS]

  the surface but probably the surface pro 3 event and they had a table lined up in [TS]

  their hands on area with Nokia phones and surface Pro's and some of them on [TS]

  the table and some of them in a laptop stand and desktop computers and laptop [TS]

  computers you know up to you know whatever the HP equivalent of an iMac is [TS]

  all of them running exactly the same start screen you know this blue blue [TS]

  colored whatever they do whatever they rename Metro interface you know and that [TS]

  what a country you know it's it's a philosophical contrast we're in a [TS]

  Microsoft misdirection where you get the exact same interface across phone from [TS]

  phone to you know 30 inch desktop display and Apple you know when and as [TS]

  you know reiterated this year you know that each of these devices gets an [TS]

  interface that is just for that form factor in the increase you know making [TS]

  them very different and you know we can't even talk about it when we get [TS]

  into yosemite review the way that your sanity is clearly inspired by the [TS]

  direction that iOS 7 wind but it's it even at a glance just if you've been [TS]

  tuned out for six months and still haven't even seen yosemite and you took [TS]

  a look at it right now you wouldn't think so they copied Iowa 7 that it's [TS]

  the exact same thing it's different it's a family resemblance but it's like a [TS]

  brother or cousin it is not an identical twin exactly [TS]

  simply not twins and I think showing these devices in this promotional image [TS]

  for us we don't even see the display is in a in a strange way emphasizes that [TS]

  the that way you would send the displays are very different across also thing and [TS]

  I think this is always interesting to me and I tried to think about it [TS]

  is what are the things that Apple is trying to convey to us that they can't [TS]

  bring themselves to say for various reasons because it's you and me this one [TS]

  of the things with this image in a way that they spoke about it is that they [TS]

  don't expect or even want everybody to buy everything you're not supposed to [TS]

  have an iMac and MacBook and an iPad and iPad Mini and you know a phone and a [TS]

  watch if you do great you know you're a great customer but if you just have two [TS]

  of them that's great you know maybe you have this iPhone six-plus and because [TS]

  it's a huge phone [TS]

  feel like now I don't need an iPad and your only other product is a Macbook and [TS]

  you just use that MacBook everywhere you use it at your desk to use it when you [TS]

  travel and that's it you're perfect you're perfectly encourage that's that's [TS]

  that's absolutely encouraged but they can't say that they can't say it ok if [TS]

  you don't buy this you know i mean you can't get on stage and say you know this [TS]

  cool new iMac that we do show dude it's totally fine if you don't buy into work [TS]

  every talk about this an ATP little while ago about how they even just [TS]

  within the iOS device range you see them head-on or whatever they call it look [TS]

  like a black border around [TS]

  color LCD screen of various sizes but now they really fleshed out the range [TS]

  especially with the watch being a little tiny thing and then you have all the [TS]

  different various sizes of iPhones in the big one of the biggest one gets [TS]

  close to the many and that you know like it's a pretty smooth scale-up of [TS]

  rectangular color screens that you can buy from the big I read them on the you [TS]

  bought but and as the physical form factors have started to form the smooth [TS]

  scale but they're kind of showing in this image here they're still [TS]

  discontinuities because what is the difference between an iPhone 6 plus an [TS]

  iPad 1 runs iPad apps and one runs iPhone apps and the line between them [TS]

  ATP is probably going to go away sometime in the near future because that [TS]

  distinction like if you were to get an iPhone six-plus [TS]

  go to the App Store and be like oh I want this game or just happen to like us [TS]

  are you can only think what do you mean iPad only like that that is not much [TS]

  bigger screen Melling man what is it about the thing holding my hand the [TS]

  music can't run a quote unquote iPad that distinction seems like it's going [TS]

  to go away but this the other gap of like you get the iPad error if they [TS]

  become a pro and then to a MacBook Air which presumably go read it to why are [TS]

  these are different like well as you to explain why is a keyboard but they run [TS]

  totally different OS's one has touched one is not touch like Apple's expecting [TS]

  you to pick your spot in their product line where you feel comfortable because [TS]

  there are discontinuity still and I never going to paper over them to the [TS]

  Microsoft does like 2010 as everybody that's not what Apple believes in but in [TS]

  any kind of transition like another discontinuity when you go from the phone [TS]

  to the watch is just has to be account work the same way it's just too small or [TS]

  whatever so these little gaps like if they were to space out of like watch big [TS]

  gap phone phone phone tiny gap iPad laptop even bigger gap I'm at your spot [TS]

  the pic in that range of like you know I Chinese food man you want to call a one [TS]

  column be like and make up the suite of devices that fill out your life and by [TS]

  having this range I think obviously someone's not just gonna buy the watch [TS]

  and not have a PC and not have a cell phone like they're gonna have something [TS]

  in this rain just which ones do you think you need no one needs to fill in [TS]

  all caps and then they did but they can't say it that way right and I've [TS]

  always hated the way like we have something for every day you know like it [TS]

  is a look at this range like look at the richest cities range they're surely [TS]

  there is something that fits your needs like we have no flushing out like to [TS]

  diversify now fallen for the longest time like the iPhone was the iPhone and [TS]

  everybody wanted like it even now he said his room for diversification of [TS]

  like you know make one [TS]

  longer battery life or something like that they've diversified their line to [TS]

  say something for everybody and the same way they don't expect you to buy two [TS]

  iPhones like the big one in the small linear night phony your day phone it's [TS]

  the same thing that they don't say that because I think its obvious but just [TS]

  like the not gonna say if you if you buy [TS]

  MacBook Pro we probably can expect you to buy an iMac because the MacBook Pros [TS]

  are completely fully capable awesome machine you can do everything on but if [TS]

  you're the kind of person who wants a desktop we will offer one of those two [TS]

  ya Mac Pro some people wrote to me after the iMac announcement and they're sort [TS]

  of I have obviously they've bottomed last 10 months and they're angry that [TS]

  you know did not get angry just went out and bought an iMac but to me that's so [TS]

  totally not surprising you know that even though the Mac Pro is very [TS]

  expensive machine and in theory should always be at the leading edge of [TS]

  technology and it is in a lot of ways that it didn't go retina first or at [TS]

  least simultaneously and probably not even close like I know by Marcos logic [TS]

  of why he doesn't think a stand-alone five Kage displays gonna ship from Apple [TS]

  until 2016 is pretty sound because it there's a lot of I think he's gonna [TS]

  probably doesn't need DisplayPort / honorable in a 1.38 / Thunderbolt 30 [TS]

  they're not going to do that then I can have hereunto cables to drive it just [TS]

  means that there is always obvious that there's a advantage of an all-in-one DVD [TS]

  all mine has they can use whatever the hell interconnect they want inside that [TS]

  box right doesn't either confirmed any specification and doesn't need that they [TS]

  could just do what do what you gotta do to make it work it all happens inside [TS]

  the box so you're always going to have an advantage for that thing if it [TS]

  happened that a standardized external interconnect existed for retina displays [TS]

  in the same time as the macro macro would have had it for ya but it just so [TS]

  happened that it didn't end and then you're like ok we need to get right now [TS]

  they're somehow and because the Mac Pro uses that the Odyssey on parts and [TS]

  because their generation behind because we don't have the external interacts [TS]

  apple just did whatever the hell it took to get it done inside this iMac box and [TS]

  don't worry about what goes on behind the curtain track [TS]

  but it does create this weird and historical time you know to five six [TS]

  seven years now we're gonna look back on it and it will just be compressed and [TS]

  we'll just remember that I'm actress first and everything you know the [TS]

  standalone displays were second in the interim though it is weird that the iMac [TS]

  is going to have these super amazing retina displays and the Mac Pro no [TS]

  matter how much money is spent on it and let you know well I mean you can get a [TS]

  fork a display from AppBrain four years back and then you buy one of those like [TS]

  special you know once for photography that has a bigger color gamut and has [TS]

  better accuracy and you buy from NEC it like the people who are buying Mac Pros [TS]

  minority have a super high res monitors for a video editing that confirmed two [TS]

  different standards then this consumer IMAX screens so it's not the people who [TS]

  might be complaining people who had bought a Mac Pro but didn't really need [TS]

  one and just want to have a can of them machine right that's the case I do think [TS]

  that's right what irks them is that now until there's a five k stand-alone [TS]

  display and when that comes out it won't run on the exact you have to get in any [TS]

  way they envisioned ongoing in a meeting at one of the many reasons that I didn't [TS]

  buy one is like well if I was waiting for retina this Mac Pro is not the [TS]

  machine because we know what it's capable of we know Apple didn't even [TS]

  offer any monitors I didn't want their body mind if I did have it there and I [TS]

  didn't want to be forecast wanted what Apple made here that I want to 27 inches [TS]

  that resolution of my wife 27 inch Thunderbolt Display [TS]

  just double the number of pixels very clean cars on there that's the thing [TS]

  that really blew me away at first I was like [TS]

  waiting for the well there's gotta be a catch and then I thought about like like [TS]

  with the iPhone six-plus where it's not really three acts retinoids to 2.8 2.6 [TS]

  and they just use scaling to make it work and it looks pretty good but it's [TS]

  still not the same time they gave the pixel dimensions and unlike dividing a [TS]

  man on the moon that sounds like actual to axe you know and it is no doubt that [TS]

  announced their monetary similar specs so you'd seen as Dell announced he like [TS]

  okay well this must be technically possible now after I was going to offer [TS]

  one possible that it's like when when does Apple have a product this could be [TS]

  mean if they didn't exist and Dell comes out with his monitor the current Mac [TS]

  Pros can't drive with a single cable and might not be able to drive to get it [TS]

  then we just put all been waiting and be like well Dell's got these matters we [TS]

  can't have them but the iMac does exist in gave Apple an opportunity to you know [TS]

  we can get as soon as those displays are available we gotta get 121 our machines [TS]

  behind that is the way to make that happen so famous you know knock on wood [TS]

  let's wait until I actually take it out and set up and use it but I'm paper at [TS]

  least and from what I've seen in person this is the Mac i've been waiting for [TS]

  close to 10 years you know it's gonna be big upgrade valujet ever since I i [TS]

  remember when they were first talking about it bc maybe 2006 2007 but what [TS]

  they called it what are they called it before they had to work retina high dpi [TS]

  resolution resolution independent scalable you I resolution independence [TS]

  was and I remember I mention this to like my my fellow obsessive resolution [TS]

  independence is cable sasser panic and I remember going to the session [TS]

  at WBC with him we came out so excited and he was like we're gonna do all the [TS]

  graphics and other apps as PDAs and they did in fact they say parents started [TS]

  shipping UPS with with scalable PDF icons and stuff like that [TS]

  inside for tow bars and stuff like that years ago because of cable and I both [TS]

  convinced ourselves I don't even know what we were thinking I mean it's not [TS]

  just you like at like if you go back to my old OS 10 reviews Apple made promises [TS]

  they liked by 2008 our home product line will be resolution independent so get [TS]

  ready like 2006 when they say they gave it they give a year and a date and like [TS]

  every year like they were used to be section and my users like you know [TS]

  resolution dependence how's that going along and I would take a little [TS]

  screenshot of texts at it in like 20 X motor 1150 did you see what a trainwreck [TS]

  as you like and that's why this is still not easy facing see you next year I we [TS]

  just convinced ourselves that the like right now I'm actually gonna be coming [TS]

  out in late 2008 and you're so excited we wanted to get in line to buy one then [TS]

  and it took until now just i mean it was so much easier to make the iPhone 4 [TS]

  screen to waste your victims and it's just so hard to make it that density you [TS]

  know so we had to wait a long time before I was economically feasible to [TS]

  make a screen this message that was the whole thing with red as well maybe they [TS]

  could do earlier maybe we'll just do it for 21 inch of track right cuz they [TS]

  could have gone that made that one retina sooner I would've been like for [TS]

  cash or three kailash type resolution but no they weren't true though the [TS]

  whole enchilada yeah and it's really as far as I can tell no compromise its in [TS]

  terms of the number of pixels the way they're doing it you know that there's [TS]

  no no cheapening out on it it's super bright it's amazing to me that was [TS]

  anything to during the event last week after you know Phil gave the specs and [TS]

  the size and you know I love you know what's gonna powers that's you know it's [TS]

  a huge problem all these pixels lighten up [TS]

  is this thing gonna get super hot and instead it takes less power which is [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  yeah that that's the thing that made me feel good about the machine that like [TS]

  that is not going to be just the ragged edge of what's possible to wade into [TS]

  this thing you know the cooling everything so they you know the GPU is [TS]

  is hotter but they made up for by actually make you scream my hope is that [TS]

  it's what bye bye not compromising and clearly like you said they could have [TS]

  shipped something sooner whether it was a 21 inch first or make it a 27 inch for [TS]

  k displaying you scaling to make the on-screen elements a reasonable size as [TS]

  opposed to making everything cartoonishly large they could have done [TS]

  any number of those things within the last few years and didn't think [TS]

  hopefully this it's almost like they're shipping like a 2.0 version of that they [TS]

  waited until they can get everything just right for people who have one [TS]

  sitting in their house tell themselves to make themselves feel better about [TS]

  fresh generation Apple products is practically had to play it so far so so [TS]

  far so good the only there was a little bit scary moment this morning when Marco [TS]

  and I had a few people treating us like look at this study was swiping through [TS]

  spaces on their new Renault 5 k iMac and it was like super slow and stuttering is [TS]

  like but then million other people to be detained and showed the exact same thing [TS]

  on there you know 13 inch MacBook Pros just say some weird yosemite but [TS]

  hopefully the workout and 10:10 one which will hopefully come out soon as I [TS]

  had I had no reproductions at home like I mean even I might you know for unibody [TS]

  MacBook Pro Tools doing all that stuff but then I'm at work that had been on [TS]

  for days that's running you some money I have enabled activated machine and [TS]

  religion ever do otherwise and it was like oh this has gotta be somebody [TS]

  bought because we get reports like it doesn't happen all the time and the best [TS]

  I can tell us that it's some kind of issue that happens when your back is on [TS]

  for a long time but there are bugs and that was the only scare so far about the [TS]

  five-time acts turns out to be a false alarm [TS]

  yeah I never know how far I can push it in [TS]

  hands-on areas after these events like and there's others who who are older [TS]

  than I have to do it and download kik pension transfer yeah I wouldn't do that [TS]

  because then they'd stop you there is every one point like if people can get [TS]

  longer hardware anyway then you can test it for all you want I can decide to do [TS]

  the hands-on area well and I could see how the people who aren't getting review [TS]

  units would be ten more tempted to do something like that and see if they can [TS]

  get away with getting the iOS devices like you want to find out just three [TS]

  courses that iPad right so you know quickly go to some I don't exploit some [TS]

  crazy jailbreak thing to quickly get something like to be able to run yeah I [TS]

  think they'll generally cut you off before you get there but it's funny [TS]

  talking to them because the that the people who staff the hands-on areas I [TS]

  think are all I know most of them are but I think all of them work under [TS]

  schiller in the product marketing division at Apple and there it's easy to [TS]

  think of them you know they all wear t-shirts they're working on an Apple [TS]

  store something like that but they're all like in my experience super super [TS]

  informed about the stuff that you were that you're talking about like if you [TS]

  had asked is this three quarter in is that how he could when from 22 billion [TS]

  transistors 23 they would know the answer but they also know that they're [TS]

  not allowed to tell me that they're super super down there totally brief [TS]

  they have to have their talking points they know what they will talk to you [TS]

  about the no specific phrasing for you know if you ask a question or something [TS]

  and they're gonna tell you something that they're gonna they're all going to [TS]

  say a sentence in the same words it's it's talk about their profession and [TS]

  that's all it's very evident like if you know anybody was there at their first [TS]

  you know the first time you get invited to an Apple event you go to the entire [TS]

  it very clear that they have a script and have talking point [TS]

  but the other thing though is that they they're full time jobs three hundred and [TS]

  sixty-three other days a year are working in Apple's product marketing [TS]

  being hyper informed about that all of the technical details of all of Apple's [TS]

  products like the these people know they know their shit they know the stuff [TS]

  that's not on the script and it's you know and they're not going to be fooled [TS]

  by somebody trying to download something like that maybe I could see getting away [TS]

  with it and in the early parts of the hands-on areas because it's so crazy and [TS]

  crowded and it's everybody wants to get their hands on him at once and maybe you [TS]

  can get away with it but not my thing was I i they were showing photos of [TS]

  course big images because it just shows off the thing they commissioned a guy [TS]

  with like one of those bad ads but this camera that shoots like 50 50 megapixel [TS]

  digital images and like a cityscape and you can see these details and you can [TS]

  zoom in and read like the license plate number on the car and engine back out [TS]

  and it's actually see that it still being rendered in individual pixels on [TS]

  screen but I closed that and went to light the finder and opened up like it [TS]

  so far a window and tried to drive around the window as fast as I could I [TS]

  thought that was my benchmark in there and I'm here if I Drive a window around [TS]

  as fast as I can [TS]

  does it does it shear like I think that was a good thing testing also you know [TS]

  if you think about the the first signature and the MacBook Pro 6 growing [TS]

  at the maximum resolution at the one that was bigger than the native screen [TS]

  you know that that one had a little bit of issues why not you know why but the [TS]

  scaling and not with the composite compositing is always been pretty easy [TS]

  to do with the way you looking for sharing is because you know they have to [TS]

  be driving it was like essentially to DisplayPort 1.2 connections or the [TS]

  equivalent behind the scenes in like you would look like the drive to left at the [TS]

  screen like I mean that's the type of thing Apple would not ship if you could [TS]

  if you could get tearing while dragging windows around I mean I will never shop [TS]

  that even when it meant the dragon windows around with slow as molasses you [TS]

  still get me [TS]

  I would have been shocked but it's something I had to see to believe but [TS]

  that was the extent that I tested it in advance [TS]

  gets rolling I put in a position to window right in the middle so if there [TS]

  was you know if it was some kind of two screens glued together trickery that I [TS]

  tried to figure that out of course it's not anything else from the event last [TS]

  week I guess there's the iPad 2 iPad 2 which is kind of interesting I think the [TS]

  way that they've gone with their iPads is why I try to write about it this week [TS]

  that its there's no real annual pattern to it and I don't think it means that [TS]

  it's directionless I just feel Lake the engineering winds that they can pull off [TS]

  each year while maintaining their profit margins are very very different as [TS]

  compared to the iPhone which to me seems much more predictable with the top and [TS]

  iPad and the reason I'm still totally in favour and iPad Pro is like while no one [TS]

  is really paying much attention they're pushing up the highest and i OS device [TS]

  to put pushing up really close to PC class in terms of power [TS]

  not in terms of interfaith doesn't have a keyboard still it's still touch or [TS]

  whatever but you know and it doesn't seem like a big deal I go on my iOS apps [TS]

  faster and maybe like a game look nicer something like that but it's like it's [TS]

  one of those things where when we have all the steps in between it doesn't seem [TS]

  so impressive is not as impressive as you know iPhone 3G S iPhone 4 where they [TS]

  go ready like wow they just doubled everything it's amazing right but [TS]

  through a series of small steps this gonna come a point where new classes of [TS]

  applications are possible on an iPad merely because they've been pressing [TS]

  authority and there was a little stall there I think a lot of a deal with a [TS]

  goodbye to ram for some time but now [TS]

  having two cars from the how long we had two cars like everyone else and [TS]

  quad-core like the Android space like that so now they're pressing again [TS]

  gigs of ram three cars I don't think it makes new categories of stuff available [TS]

  to you but maybe a generation or two from now we're gonna wake up and say [TS]

  there are things of the iPad can do that the iPhone can't quite dream of doing it [TS]

  I mean right now it's like you just need to power to run this big screen in the [TS]

  end the iPhone you know is reasonable but like I i think you had just have so [TS]

  much more headroom in the bigger form factor so far they haven't really been [TS]

  willing to do with them I just the first year I feel like they're pulling away by [TS]

  giving a double the RAM and everything but you know there is room I think there [TS]

  is room for four more sophisticated applications to be an even larger an [TS]

  even more powerful ipad were just like right now it's kind of like we're [TS]

  inching towards that it just seems like a faster bigger iPad well I think the [TS]

  two demos they chose were really good I think they were such great Emma's the [TS]

  pixel pitch inventory and replay what did you see the schiller mispronounced [TS]

  so shelter called it Pixelmator [TS]

  but those are good demos because in theory if they've already got the iOS [TS]

  app working for the iPad they could come out with maybe they will even though you [TS]

  know maybe when Pixelmator I was ships it will be universal and a running [TS]

  iPhone too but clearly editing photos is better the bigger the screen the better [TS]

  and on a phone screen you're seriously constrained you know in for like the [TS]

  exact thing that they did where they're making like an advertisement for you [TS]

  know this big image and they want to superimpose taxed and you know having a [TS]

  laptop size screen like the full-size iPad even though there might be small [TS]

  for a laptop but still certainly you know nobody that the small iPad Mini is [TS]

  vaguely giant-size phone size right it would be the biggest phone ever but it's [TS]

  you know you could imagine somebody making an Android phone that's the size [TS]

  of a night [TS]

  many but not an iPad and for photo editing it's you know size matters and [TS]

  then I think with those replay guys I thought that was an interesting boy you [TS]

  could never do that on a PC demo because to meet the big part of that is that [TS]

  you've already got the device you used to ship to shoot declares it's all one [TS]

  thing it's the camera is the editing system is the playback system right and [TS]

  you don't have that with the laptop like where you might shoot a bunch of video [TS]

  on your phone and then you can connect your phone with the lightning adapter to [TS]

  your MacBook and suck all the video over and open NNN you might airplane on GTV [TS]

  so people can see it and put it back on your screen but it certainly aid that [TS]

  beyond the technical acumen of the light typical people and be it's not something [TS]

  you want to do an occasion like in the demo that it's like it's the type of [TS]

  thing we're here on vacation you tell yourself when you get back home boy [TS]

  you're going to spend a day and take all your stuff and put it on your computer [TS]

  and make a nice video and send out to be open communication and you're rushing [TS]

  around and you're back to regular when you're on vacation [TS]

  you got the iPad with you you can do and you know go back to your hotel room [TS]

  right here waiting for your table at dinner and just suck these clips in and [TS]

  push a button and have it finished video pop out that you could post share share [TS]

  right there and then say hey guys this is overdoing on vacation and like other [TS]

  things looking for the iPad which we still haven't seen but people have poked [TS]

  around like the whole you know split-screen multitasking which we know [TS]

  is lurking the code for putting multiple apps and two thirds of course it's there [TS]

  and obviously it's not Baghdad and are ready for a new maybe you need a bigger [TS]

  iPad or whatever but that's what I'm talking about it like pressing the [TS]

  limits of what can be done on a touch device I can't help but think they're [TS]

  going to two gigs of ram is a sign that [TS]

  if there's an iPad pro in like five months from now that's the route the [TS]

  rumor is you know make maybe like February or March they're gonna have an [TS]

  iPad Pro 12 or 13 inches or something like that and it'll have split screen my [TS]

  guess is that this iPad if that's true this iPad air to get the split screen [TS]

  too but no other iPad because of room on the smaller yeah I think it's not like [TS]

  they've promised it but you know in fact I guess they still sell the original [TS]

  many which they're selling for 249 is only 512 megs of RAM and you know you [TS]

  guys talk about ATP but it's it the frustration with the growing range from [TS]

  bottom high-end alone is that developers don't have the ability to say this app [TS]

  only runs on the iPad air too because it so graphically intense you can't do that [TS]

  your iPad you your iPad app has to run on at least lunch on all iPads and [TS]

  that's something Apple has the flexibility of changes in at just an app [TS]

  store ruled they can change the role in a time they can give you a little API [TS]

  endpoint update to definitively say because they keep bragging about as [TS]

  Marco pointed out that they that big chart that shows the GPU speed that goes [TS]

  up like a big hockey look how far we've come the a Texas its GPU is so [TS]

  incredibly powerful and yet they're still shipping the second on the ground [TS]

  a second like well it doesn't help that I gotta make a game that runs on that [TS]

  second . I don't it's frustrating to me the X's out there is now a good game [TS]

  that scales from all the way out at the I can't believe we used to live like [TS]

  animals like that and to the hockey stick [TS]

  remove texture mapping in that version will just be flat shading but I do think [TS]

  that there's a general you know the gist of it is if you're an iPad app or modern [TS]

  iPhone app you can assume you have access to about a gig of memory if you [TS]

  need to if you need it so I feel like this I feel like the iPad air to getting [TS]

  to his [TS]

  is a sign that if they're split screen it'll get it and I don't think the other [TS]

  ones will assist I'm 42 day like it's it's kind of sad that the iPhone doesn't [TS]

  have a very least you can make some kind of battery life [TS]

  excuse for the phone yeah definitely I mean maybe like it's like it's [TS]

  borderline they've been made it happen only if they gave it two gigs of ram it [TS]

  would be a different devices but there's a there's a Quora post I haven't linked [TS]

  to it from doing fireball because I feel like it's a little I i dont I can't [TS]

  verify myself and it seems a little bit to rob reliable even when they even when [TS]

  they don't even when they don't put enough RAM in the phone it's it's all [TS]

  good but the expert if somebody asked on Quora why it why did the new iPhone 6 [TS]

  only still only one gigabyte of RAM when a lot of the top Topshop competitors on [TS]

  Android have to like the top-ranked answer was somebody saying that it's [TS]

  there's probably a whole bunch of other reasons too but the big one is that a [TS]

  garbage collected system like Java needs double the RAM a man on garbage [TS]

  collected system like iOS and that their date linked to an academic paper that [TS]

  showed how you know if you can give the garbage collected system enough RAM it [TS]

  all just works out but when a garbage collected system gets rammed constrained [TS]

  it goes to hell and everything gets cummed up waiting for memory and it or [TS]

  something to that I do think that you know I S because it's a garbage [TS]

  collected can get by a one gig longer than it will then like Android could've [TS]

  but I still do you know it's it's still irritating every time I go back to [TS]

  safari in my taxable been pushed and that's that kind of messed up the grill [TS]

  luxurious buying the top and iPad air to is gonna get you think I go back to [TS]

  Safari ASAP re still running it's healthy and be inspired [TS]

  aight I just had [TS]

  I notice with my review on my first break before about an hour before the [TS]

  show I was flipping through your committee review and it had finally [TS]

  gotten flushed from memory but I hadn't been in Safari for a while [TS]

  been doing a lot of other stuff but it is being generated images that are in [TS]

  there if you can do that to you that I was the first one it got inflation it [TS]

  was definitely noticeable I think it's super interesting to that they've gone [TS]

  they've so out of class but it's it's so noticeably faster than the iPhone 6 in [TS]

  any kind of benchmark because it has you know it's a faster and faster single [TS]

  core and it has a third quarter the GPU is more powerful desire to push more [TS]

  pixels and I think I may look to the specs but I think they may be like it [TS]

  had over power point where it's not just like the same speed is this is the [TS]

  iPhone 6 GPU but just has to push more pixels it's like it can push the more [TS]

  pixels and then some [TS]

  yeah and I got to talk to I just happened to beefs my seat in the event [TS]

  last week was right behind the front towards the front like fifth row on the [TS]

  left and demagogues role in front of me like right in front of me where the the [TS]

  replay guys in two rows in front of me were the guys and I know the guys [TS]

  because they sponsored sponsored the show but I know that sponsored a [TS]

  fireball many times and I've emailed them in a recent 1.0 came out it was [TS]

  like wow somebody actually used you know image and all these other cool Apple [TS]

  technologies to do the things we've been talking about for fifteen years and have [TS]

  indeed rival to Photoshop [TS]

  China by email you know since forever first time ever met in person I've was [TS]

  awesome to be able to congratulate them in person you know what a moment in a [TS]

  you get to be on stage at an Apple event and demo your app and end up I know the [TS]

  replay guys a little bit too I didn't recognize the names when they first got [TS]

  called up but they've sent me just as the guy rates during fireball the same [TS]

  emails on various things over the years and you know we were right there in town [TS]

  hall with a couple minutes before they were gonna kick us out and they're you [TS]

  know they're not gonna give me any kind of state secrets about what what life [TS]

  was like the last couple of weeks while they were working on this but they you [TS]

  know they could speak a little bit and both of them like the replay guy said [TS]

  that he thinks if anything Apple has completely undersold the graphics [TS]

  performance of the 8x [TS]

  that when you know from what they were doing the last couple weeks getting the [TS]

  demo together for replay that it was way faster than what Apple the same compared [TS]

  to iPhone sex it that's the thing about the power in these like they're putting [TS]

  so much power and as iPad building up to the next sort of the next on a big leap [TS]

  like they were gonna have to worry about to get a different class of applications [TS]

  but especially for graphics performance the the the different class of [TS]

  applications and you can get is a extremely graphic sophisticated game and [TS]

  you're never gonna really have one of those on iPad air too because it's the [TS]

  same reason like when you know when I go watch dogs are you know what it was like [TS]

  you know more about us by phone but any like modern console game at the current [TS]

  generation consoles there is no we part of those kids the Wii is standard [TS]

  definition and incredibly weak and there is no way to scale a modern PlayStation [TS]

  4 game that all the way down to something that's in that dark like this [TS]

  not you can use fewer texts and lower resolution textures and the game will [TS]

  run fine he's just not possible right you cannot take a game is getting better [TS]

  so any game that takes full advantage of the 8x I don't know if you can make a [TS]

  version of that game that also runs on the 249 [TS]

  within a five and by I'd like there's nothing you can do to the game to make a [TS]

  run on that and so like you kind of stuck you can never make you can never [TS]

  make an app that can really take advantage of it is really happening in [TS]

  gangs or like scientific imaging the only two things that you could do it [TS]

  really use the GPU like that so it's kind of it's kind of a shame that you [TS]

  know I mean I guess you can do your image effects really really fast and the [TS]

  you know the a 52 grams affects the same ones just much slower and that's how you [TS]

  can get away with doing something like Pixelmator on both platforms but games I [TS]

  feel like people are stuck there that that and also if you're those type of [TS]

  games that graphic sophistication costs so much money to make you hurt yourself [TS]

  a lot of them and I'm not sure that the touch interface is sufficient to you [TS]

  know to sell again like five hundred million dollar game i guess i pad I [TS]

  don't know if you could you could sell that with if you've already sweating on [TS]

  this is great because now that I have a 10 year old son I actually am familiar [TS]

  with just about every title that you've mentioned including testing do you have [TS]

  to know you know we have free access and I don't know what to do about it because [TS]

  I kind of feel like the PlayStation 4 looks like the better the more time goes [TS]

  on looks like it's a better platform also do you have destiny yeah we have it [TS]

  on the Xbox yeah yeah pretty good game [TS]

  have you played just to toy around I'm told I like the old man but it's you [TS]

  know really really graphically an Xbox you should check Xbox Live Arcade I [TS]

  think it was a version of Crystal Quest [TS]

  get about it so I'm me tell you you get into a we played some stick it in any [TS]

  way you need a mouse do they really have it and [TS]

  way you need a mouse do they really have it and [TS]

  yeah I believe so maybe now in the the Xbox one way back when are you there on [TS]

  the original Xbox 360 cassidy angry nothing was the actual real company may [TS]

  request for I do think I do think though that this is games in particular I do [TS]

  think that they're really pushing a pull to open up the App Store 22 hardware [TS]

  limit that app somehow you know if they already let you limited by OS [TS]

  I just can't see why it's getting to be untenable as they extend the life of [TS]

  these you know these devices and that's the thing that the as Alan pie called it [TS]

  the zombie iMac that $249 retin A not render my iPad Mini the original iPad [TS]

  Mini which is from two years ago is really from four years ago because they [TS]

  5 system on a chip and the 512 megabytes of RAM and everything is really it's the [TS]

  iPad 2 shrunken down like the iphone4s writer the same generation as they must [TS]

  have been around the 4900 my iPod touches the same thing [TS]

  512 pics from a five-point night so they've actually it's just in a weird [TS]

  way Lake they've actually the lineup I think only has a has a 52 49 but then [TS]

  there is no a six iPad left there already gone so it's it's like a year [TS]

  behind an extra year behind the next step up its it's a really old piece of [TS]

  technology and I liked and again for some this thing is every time you know [TS]

  it all came out and now be a texture is like and the Apple TV to get playing [TS]

  video games on your television through an Apple devices like just sitting there [TS]

  in front of Apple for you like they've gotten him get every single piece of the [TS]

  puzzle that just don't have the desire to do just fine I can't be in every [TS]

  business maybe they don't feel like going into that fray but as they [TS]

  accumulate to pieces especially with metal [TS]

  and the Apple TV and go there on ARM chips for these crazy GPUs in them like [TS]

  I don't necessarily recommend that they go for it but I don't think there will [TS]

  be equipped to compete in that space but it's just so weird to see them it's kind [TS]

  of like what it was back in the e-book the dawning of the book around 2001 2002 [TS]

  and was like Apple's got these iPods and it got away to some things didn't get [TS]

  online with the iTunes Store and like they have all the pieces to dominate the [TS]

  e-book space like they're basically i think is made before the Kindle came out [TS]

  like maybe around the same time we can go to the same things like why is Apple [TS]

  not you know the e-book market is there for the taking for Apple to have all the [TS]

  pieces that have the momentum they could they could do it just not interested and [TS]

  eventually like yeah I guess we'll see books 228 Amazon most dominant player [TS]

  and I boxes covered also ran and the gaming space obviously has been heavily [TS]

  populated for years and years but here's apple just dutifully working to [TS]

  essentially build the ingredients of a world-class gaming console platform and [TS]

  then just not not doing that yeah I you said it's laying right in front of them [TS]

  because the 8x I didn't hate is probably pretty good and you could make it [TS]

  reasonable gaming console out of it especially with metal which you know [TS]

  again talkin to you know developers Apple calling it ten times faster than [TS]

  OpenGL seems fair [TS]

  it seems like you know real world well it's 10 X in like you know if you do [TS]

  something stupid and you just measuring draw calls to say it's a it's a micro [TS]

  benchmark but like anything is better lol API every game console has something [TS]

  like like Apple AAPL has done something that's that's that's the advantage apple [TS]

  today modern apple today has is that they have enough developer support in so [TS]

  many customers that they can get developers to use their support like the [TS]

  part of the game engines you know the unity and unreal for engineering like it [TS]

  will make a port solely for you know so they can sell I was right because that's [TS]

  a that's a big market and make a lot of money off that so all those engines are [TS]

  so yeah yeah well we'll make a part of her engine 22 metal and then everybody [TS]

  who built games on our engine will take advantage [TS]

  like to build a full fledged console is there had to do something like when be [TS]

  like the lower powered like the PlayStation TV or something because [TS]

  they're not going to compete in power with PlayStation for it but there's no [TS]

  reason that Apple couldn't build a device that competes with the [TS]

  PlayStation 4 it would not be just an 8x in the box but like by making the [TS]

  addicts and metal and having a store and talking to game developers and getting [TS]

  the engines for technology shows that if they wanted to they could make a product [TS]

  like this that is of similar power to place it in forever the next generation [TS]

  is and decide to compete in that space I don't they just don't want to be just [TS]

  fine like it's all about what do you say yes to what he say it like that the [TS]

  recent interview where you keep saying like there's plenty of things we could [TS]

  do we have plenty of great ideas and we don't we don't not doing because we're [TS]

  not capable of them to just choose what they want to do and thus far they have [TS]

  not made this choice just like for all those years they chose not to enter the [TS]

  e-book market so well or even honestly even chose not to enter the phone market [TS]

  I mean people who were clamoring for an Apple phone ever since cellphones became [TS]

  consumer priced items like they hadn't figured out what they wanted to do for a [TS]

  phone you like that different competing internal products anything whereas the [TS]

  game consoles everything I do is like we just got back into the game console like [TS]

  everybody else like this like that don't enter the space until they feel like [TS]

  they have something significant to the iPhone that into the phone space like [TS]

  the Motorola ROKR but they didn't feel their own phone that was just like a [TS]

  candy bar phone right they didn't interest base until they had something [TS]

  even though their candy bar phone would have been the best candy bar phone they [TS]

  just didn't ride and that would have that would have hamstrung them because [TS]

  that would have made it interesting iPhone harder than you got a transition [TS]

  people what about my old phone I liked it what is this new thing but a blog [TS]

  where is the iPhone is your first phone no problems and lastly the performance [TS]

  thing and you know again I don't often go to benchmarks when I write reviews [TS]

  but I really just think it's so fascinating how quickly the high-end [TS]

  iPad is gaining on [TS]

  the low-end MacBook Airs and again it's not apples to apples cos OS 10 and iOS [TS]

  have so many different interface things and just rules about multitasking and [TS]

  how much stuff can be going on in the background and how much RAM you get a [TS]

  MacBook Air was like 16 days exactly which can have an enormous performance [TS]

  especially not not even benchmark which is real world you know [TS]

  benchmark in a real-world advantages because when you're switching between [TS]

  these things you know they're all still in bed and I would have to think the SSD [TS]

  storage and there's also felt like I think this is the first generation of [TS]

  iOS products to use PCI Express for the SSD connections I heard that is a big [TS]

  thing I haven't seen I can I fix a tear down right that's the case for like what [TS]

  they've been doing that on macbook air for a while but but yeah like I heard [TS]

  again not verified it's not like somebody showed pictures of it but yes [TS]

  somebody'd seemingly reliable said its PCI Express which is you know its [TS]

  desktop you know in a safe Desktop class performance they were there they're [TS]

  actually they're not hyping it they're they're being serious and that's what it [TS]

  like that negates that type of stuff the more boring stuff if you're not playing [TS]

  a game that thing that gives your performance on just using your iOS [TS]

  device is a matter of memory you have and how fast are just gonna get done [TS]

  when you're launching a pin that wouldn't happen launching this happen [TS]

  like it's not the CBO's most spending less time waiting for i/o during during [TS]

  those times when you're waiting yeah which is exactly why I splurged and got [TS]

  the SST stories for the iMac I feel like my last spinning hard dress that I've [TS]

  ever bought you know this in the past I would like mine to be in the past but [TS]

  they're not getting the other than external drives that I would use for [TS]

  like backup or something like that we're not going to be waiting on it as it as a [TS]

  user even then like at work my sister useful stuff that I use my super duper [TS]

  clone a spinning and just so painful I how long a super duper phone just [TS]

  you know it's like region the SSD and then just like go get a coffee [TS]

  hardest ok I read one more thing from the SSDI could just see supra do so it's [TS]

  all a symmetrical so I would love to be on this team but unfortunately I keep [TS]

  accumulating stuff and hit the reset button on like storage is to be scaling [TS]

  with my with my digital Harding and the Nexus these are like oh that's just now [TS]

  barely catching up again with one terabyte as a third brake and thank our [TS]

  last sponsored another longtime friend of the show our good friends at [TS]

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  looked at where people were getting stuck with what space was before and [TS]

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  a cover page that people will see and click through before they go to you know [TS]

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  all of their editing stuff they do instead of going into a separate mode [TS]

  when you're logged in you can just drag-and-drop to edit right there on [TS]

  your actual website it's a lot more with your website will look exactly like you [TS]

  arrange to have one window where an editing mode and a second window where [TS]

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  through all these features Squarespace seven there's so many of them go there [TS]

  check it out they've got a great great demo setup to show you all the new [TS]

  features are better than I could describe them to go check them out at [TS]

  Squarespace dot com slash grouper so let's talk yosemite for the rest of the [TS]

  show my son calls it might yeah I think he says he's exactly is funny I didn't [TS]

  think about kids but that was exactly like the people said coming out to be [TS]

  the BBC's the keynote is people don't know how to spell yosemite people don't [TS]

  know what he is and then when my son started talking about like it doesn't [TS]

  really matter it's free to sell it to people I think the visual thing and if [TS]

  it is anything that that maybe I thought you underplayed was talking about the [TS]

  visual redesign could I know you care but it's it's also a hard thing to talk [TS]

  about you think I underplayed I spent a lot of words and that that's like the [TS]

  footballing a section in there could've been longer cuz you know it I guess the [TS]

  other thing too is that you you know that they're not we're gonna have [TS]

  something to prove it and next year's will look a little better and look a [TS]

  little better but you know I think you know this is basically what we're [TS]

  looking at for the next you know at least probably a decade on the Mac yeah [TS]

  I forget what I put it in my view my cut but one of the things I mentioned in the [TS]

  most recent ATP's like this thing that Apple does when they have a new fancy [TS]

  design that they like I did when I was seven they did it with the original aqua [TS]

  and and 10 they did it with you know the various looks in between like brushed [TS]

  metal they tend to err on the side of going too far down with a look and then [TS]

  they back it off later in response to complaints and so like I was ever in [TS]

  recent memory where they have a super thin fonts right and everything was just [TS]

  you know maybe a little bit too precious and the parallax effect and assuming [TS]

  everything and so you add things to reduce motion you want a little bit and [TS]

  you make adjustments that was most of them before release but the Aqua [TS]

  original version of 1010 was just crazy pinstripes everywhere super glossy and [TS]

  lickable all faded and soft lighting like everything was shot with vaseline [TS]

  on the lands and they back that offer years hardening up the edges toning down [TS]

  the pinstripes and then brushed metal came in and everything was freakin metal [TS]

  version turning that down getting rid of it but like going too far and then [TS]

  backing off is preferable to them it seems they're not going far enough [TS]

  like being timid so there's somebody is and and a kind of damone that in their [TS]

  view or the part that account for the review that I don't know everything [TS]

  there anymore as saying like to be nice if we could skip that part where they go [TS]

  too far and just go right to the park with a tone it down a little bit and [TS]

  maybe they thought they don't know where they need to turn down like a checkbox [TS]

  to make the menu bar not translate because the transition then your body [TS]

  original and liberals it's crazy translucent it made everything on [TS]

  reading and now now they feel like they have the confidence to like well this is [TS]

  crazy out there in the public gallery thing together and is aware of contrast [TS]

  and it was just looking money and indistinct but it won't be unreadable so [TS]

  no more checkbox to disable that it's like you know there are places where [TS]

  they went too far in this and there there are budget adjustments that are [TS]

  already there but none of them sort of none of them to need to be the way we [TS]

  hope it's going to be in the next to revision yeah that's it [TS]

  few hours before the show started [TS]

  lens review of yosemite motives focusing solely on the appearance and I hurt my [TS]

  feelings that I was your favorite [TS]

  doesn't even count anyway yeah I know I i read his thing when the originally [TS]

  Posted by that I mean it's a similar sentiment was 10 Balboa and last 10 [TS]

  policies are gonna look great and I think that is totally true I'm basically [TS]

  on board [TS]

  completely with the the basic style but there's definitely some toning back that [TS]

  I think needs to be done [TS]

  also my big complained that I didn't just complain about ATP is like the [TS]

  transparency effects I spend a lot of time explaining what the different kinds [TS]

  of transparency are how they work and here's how they're deployed in the OS [TS]

  right and all the stuff about the rearrangements of the USA and then I had [TS]

  a whole section called philosophy which they can try to isolate the part where [TS]

  I'm gonna like try to contact this like here's what it is here's what it looked [TS]

  like here is whether use it and then it's like why why why is there at all [TS]

  what is it about what's behind my menu bar that adds to my life right and you [TS]

  know why do I need to see that yad to see any of that right what is you know [TS]

  like because there's always some kind of philosophy I like the original aqua it [TS]

  was like transient elements were a translucent yes so sheets just appeared [TS]

  briefly in go away [TS]

  drop down menus briefing go away those are translucent it's it's a temporary [TS]

  there's a logic to it right but on the other hand the doc which was always [TS]

  there was also transit so it just like well a few transients cooperate and here [TS]

  at like you know I several times I've asked Apple about the effects and during [TS]

  the different peanuts they've said here's why we do it and they have [TS]

  reasons behind them and had to like look at those reasons and say like is this a [TS]

  reason for you to pollute all of my side bars with the color of the desktop [TS]

  background like sometimes that the justification can more capital the times [TS]

  I like I don't buy like the whole thing of making the did you know that the [TS]

  temperature in mood here desktop background influence the look of your OS [TS]

  sounds like you mean it is a thing that happens it works like if you if you have [TS]

  a super orange desktop background all year you're behind the window blending [TS]

  transition regions are going to have attention [TS]

  your menu bar is going to be changed on all the menus that are going to be [TS]

  tinted orange red but like I did you know that that aspect of personalization [TS]

  like it may just twice in the face of Trance tradition or whatever they want I [TS]

  want my cleaning beautiful interface to be on top of that I don't want the [TS]

  desktop picture like I may like it because it's a nice picture I like it [TS]

  but I don't like its contribution to the sidebar of my email crime to now looks [TS]

  like a muddy rusty orange thing whereas before it was crispy text on top of a [TS]

  background color that the app designer it changes what it means to pick a [TS]

  desktop picture before it was ok what do I want to see when I got nothing open [TS]

  like I'm done like let's say like as you complete your what you have to do today [TS]

  you keep closing windows in your closing tabs and you know you can quit your [TS]

  email cuz I'm not gonna check it again and now I've got nothing and i'm looking [TS]

  at my desktop and this is a picture that makes me happy that's all you had to do [TS]

  when you chose your desktop now you've gotta pick something that's going to [TS]

  make like you said like make the sidebar in your email client look good when you [TS]

  don't even see the desktop and then there's no point have to have to do to [TS]

  to put in ATP times I have to do some follow-up because one guy was on last [TS]

  week I English we talked about this week clearly confused the hell out of a lot [TS]

  of people into because we're talking about the way that if you have like a [TS]

  stack of white windows just like text edit documents and then you have mail in [TS]

  front of them in the sidebar of male behind it just a white window it still [TS]

  takes a tent from the desktop that's what does in terms of not merely making [TS]

  any kind of logical sense in the world of physics we weren't what everybody [TS]

  seems to think we said was that it doesn't take any cues from what's right [TS]

  behind it so if you it's mostly it's mostly what's behind yes but that [TS]

  touches the death it's mostly what's behind it directly in the window behind [TS]

  it so if you have like a real vibrant purple [TS]

  image you know grimace from McDonalds in the window behind you and your mail is [TS]

  in front of it you're gonna have a purple sidebar but I end up a lot of [TS]

  times with a lot of weight Windows you know editing documents and stuff like [TS]

  that or email client or iChat [TS]

  but but but God forbid you have like a safari window with it was like a dark [TS]

  black blob and then some white stuffed in the black blobs are showing right and [TS]

  if it's not like it not like an entirely black window where it just makes the [TS]

  whole thing look great if it's just right in the middle [TS]

  there's looks like there's so much I see it in the Messages app every day with [TS]

  when I have transparency on because there's my blue messages are always on [TS]

  the side and so up at the top right there's this blue propeller about it in [TS]

  a ranging from I can enter to that doesn't extend across the whole bar and [TS]

  it bothers the hell out of me [TS]

  his analogy is that an ATP last night but probably should also put their view [TS]

  but didn't solve this section on extensions and I go I go through a [TS]

  little bit about the the old days of extensions where they were just invade [TS]

  the memory space if you have the OS or other applications and even unto the [TS]

  last 10 days just like you know every app launches loaded the scripting [TS]

  edition which just like runs wild in its memory space and does some crazy hacked [TS]

  you know and able window shade or whatever it's gonna do right and the [TS]

  idea that you would write a program is an application developer and then you [TS]

  would tested and debugged make sure it works correctly and then handed to [TS]

  somebody and then someone else you'd never met write a program that invades [TS]

  your programming changes the way it works and causes a bug in your program [TS]

  and you get like a support ticket early hey your your your text editor has a bug [TS]

  in like 10 I told us that doesn't like oh I'm running this extension and and [TS]

  this thing written by someone you never met invade your application and changes [TS]

  the way it behaves and now it's buggy you got to fix it since nineteen tenable [TS]

  way to develop software because how can you like the halting problem how can I [TS]

  know what's going to happen when some program I've never seen before invades [TS]

  my programming changes the way its behaviour impossible for me to write a [TS]

  quote unquote correct bug free program in this environment to develop the [TS]

  designer equivalent of that is going to make an application to make it look as [TS]

  good as I want but I have no control over what windows are behind [TS]

  called the person desktop background as I just gotta trust Apple to try to make [TS]

  this into something readable and then I get back to the you know why why is it [TS]

  what is it about the sidebar like I can i can i can buy pull-down menus I can [TS]

  buy sheets I can buy you know transient things that are floating in but the [TS]

  sidebar seems so a part of the content of the application like maybe who has a [TS]

  slide out drawers like the old style one that I can say with transient and maybe [TS]

  should be translucent but there is nothing about sidebars that says to me [TS]

  please tell me what's behind you like it they're filled with text like their [TS]

  source list therefore text that has to be readable I do not want to be [TS]

  distracted by the other stuff there and so i mean i i know there's no option to [TS]

  turn it off except to turn off everywhere and I pretty much at this [TS]

  point I feel like I can on board with the way they used translucency even with [TS]

  the stupid tendering and all the drop them everywhere sidebar just like a [TS]

  bridge too far the other thing I don't get I don't get the other use of it I [TS]

  don't get the in window transparency you know like and Safari Chrome at the top [TS]

  of this far away does the little bit more justification that of their own [TS]

  doing as i said im pretty sure I said this interview once they made scrollbars [TS]

  invisible the only way you have any indication that their stuff above or [TS]

  below is if you see something truncated or if you kind of see this damn you know [TS]

  wavy image of things that are above or below and that bothers me less because [TS]

  two largest and have a stronger boundaries like the toolbar buttons [TS]

  themselves don't let stuff go through on them so they're gonna be you know like a [TS]

  dark markings on like backgrounds well-defined there's nothing in the [TS]

  toolbar itself and I need to read this can become illegible and Mike just [TS]

  scrolling through the review I can kinda see the reason to do this and it's one [TS]

  of the one of the justifications of philosophy section is that this looks [TS]

  nice like that it's fashion that its athletics and if you scroll through my [TS]

  yosemite review and when I look at some of these screenshots I think some of [TS]

  them are really pretty like the multiple docs for the different backgrounds or [TS]

  even when I'm trying to show something that i think is a negative like the same [TS]

  safari window just change tabs and it radically changes with the entire [TS]

  interest looks like the pages are has curled up in the scrollbar that's as a [TS]

  little bit crazy but the images beautiful I think like this has the most [TS]

  interesting screenshots because of you know I I purposely tried to show things [TS]

  in both [TS]

  in the worst light like get the most ecstatically pleasing but show at the [TS]

  extremes are i think is a really interesting thing to do it and but I can [TS]

  only excuse it as long as it doesn't starting pitching on usability when does [TS]

  impinge on usability a good reason other than in some scenarios looks really good [TS]

  I know your scenario it's ugly and you can't turn it off and some scenario [TS]

  looks good and that that hostile policy and I just I guess I like the in window [TS]

  transparency a little bit more than the behind window transparency because [TS]

  there's a little bit more like you said with the scrolling and a sense of their [TS]

  stuff up there there's some kind of logic to it where is the sidebar [TS]

  transparency is just seems mindless to me so I think and I've been as I've gone [TS]

  full time I think probably going to run with the reduced transparency option and [TS]

  yeah and that bothers me because I think I mean does as I point out in their view [TS]

  it it does look ok like that like it and still as handsome it shows that this is [TS]

  a sturdy design that does not rely on transparency parlor tricks to look nice [TS]

  because it looks looks perfectly nice and its solid especially on gretna [TS]

  screens with certified airlines about things that contrast is still a little [TS]

  bit low but otherwise it shows that this they're you know they're sturdy bones [TS]

  underneath this design but it's a shame to give up all the transparency of the [TS]

  text I like just to save that one that I don't think the bosnian transparency and [TS]

  accessibility preference pane and those things are there to help make the [TS]

  interface more usable for people who need that but I feel like designers are [TS]

  not spending as much over what things look like with that turned on by [TS]

  third-party an apple designers like that it that it looks clunkier that looks [TS]

  more like like the way that Windows like wow I just do this and I'm sure to look [TS]

  funny look at it as like details are right there sweating over what it looks [TS]

  like in the default mode I don't think people are sweating over how any [TS]

  application looks with reduced transparency like right down to the [TS]

  overlays for volume changing with the corners don't have transparency in some [TS]

  situations are you saying that I don't think I should be [TS]

  so now I now can you leave the house in on like it's it's totally counter to the [TS]

  Super apple nerd aesthetic everything has to be beautiful and elegant like [TS]

  that stuff like that is around if you know where to look for it because he has [TS]

  accessibility is not meant to be like it's it's first and foremost is supposed [TS]

  to make it more usable at the expense of you know perfect aesthetic beauty so [TS]

  there is one of your expenses made you think more about that when you change [TS]

  the volume and you get that they would call it the temporary over the rounded [TS]

  corners are just filled in with black as it transpired part of whatever that [TS]

  thing I got the call that I bet that the bug that they'll fix but it's it's a [TS]

  definite side but that type of thing like you would a file that is a bug hey [TS]

  when I enables accessibility options this thing doesn't look as nice they're [TS]

  gonna be like yeah but you know it's easier to see right stuff doesn't show [TS]

  three right that's the point of accessibility future feel free to file [TS]

  their bikes if they could close it is BS correctly I well I like you said I would [TS]

  love to be able to pick and choose and just turn it off in the sidebar because [TS]

  I like the transparency on the menus I think it it makes it looks good and it [TS]

  makes sense to me that it's temporary you know it's it's just a little thing [TS]

  that while I choose this menu command is floating over my thing and now that [TS]

  they're solid I just checked it right here in front of me it's doesn't look at [TS]

  the text rendering changes especially not read the text rendering changes when [TS]

  you go solid on the menus as well and the menus the thing about me about the [TS]

  media's attention the desktop like I like the overlays like the volume change [TS]

  when transparencies on the sort of Iowa 7 overlay when you put control center [TS]

  from the but like it doesn't bring it doesn't pull any colors from your [TS]

  desktop background just simply I am white slightly translucent with that [TS]

  cool blur I wish them anywhere like that because all my desktop pictures are made [TS]

  by pull-down menus uglier like I'm gonna have to change them even though I love [TS]

  the pictures that are there just pick one that has a different dominant color [TS]

  so that dominant color I can you know stomach with sign of an all white gold [TS]

  diamond did you turn on [TS]

  increase contrast haven't used it like that obviously turned on the screen I [TS]

  feel like that one guy I know just saying it looks like system sex but it [TS]

  looks awesome sex made by someone with not a lot of attention to detail has [TS]

  things collide with each other in this no spaces between things they just sort [TS]

  of drama the magic marker over the edges and don't read they don't change the [TS]

  metrics so it's like crowded there's a whole bunch of things that I think look [TS]

  better and a whole bunch of things that clearly look worse just in terms of [TS]

  whether it's pleasing to me and I realize I guess this is it is under [TS]

  accessibility for a reason I can actually see clearly how it is an [TS]

  accessibility features for some people but I actually like some of the details [TS]

  of it but there's others that you know I can't I don't know a kid rocket [TS]

  full-time its and and the low contrast unlike basically the default by reading [TS]

  a stupid Congress doesn't it remind you speaking about 25 like the days when [TS]

  we're all using bitmap font and everything was likely you still do it [TS]

  like a light grey text on a dark grey background and you know and and 10.4 [TS]

  down a pixel thoughts and every like everything was super low energy you can [TS]

  just make it so precious and beautiful but then when you when you move back [TS]

  from the screen just faded into a uniform grey haze and you don't notice [TS]

  it so much in Yosemite until you turn on increased contrast like whoa this [TS]

  airlines now jump out at me and that is clear delineation than likely to our [TS]

  buttons don't fade into the toolbar as much as they used to like it goes too [TS]

  far in the other direction but you only noticed low contrast of Use Somebody [TS]

  when you turn on the high ground and then turn it back off and I know that I [TS]

  feel like I just my night vision went out and now everything is fading into [TS]

  one big blur get one of the things that most surprised me about yosemite when [TS]

  they unveiled at the BBC was that the general control system pressure where [TS]

  you control the basic appearance stuff you know [TS]

  graphite blue highlight color and stuff like that I I had my gut feeling was [TS]

  that they were going to get rid of all that just as you know go more like Iowa [TS]

  State we don't get the pic highlight color and I [TS]

  unless you gonna get blue and you're gonna like it or the app is going to [TS]

  override it you know get the pic whether you get lured grave as I like color you [TS]

  don't get to pick the color that you know when you select tax what color is [TS]

  the highlight of the texts that's the thing about increase contrast it changes [TS]

  your head like yeah to something that I seemingly can't quite figure out how [TS]

  what the rules are for I thought they were going to get rid of all that [TS]

  because I thought that was sort of that such an old school consumer you know [TS]

  feature you know that you get like the way Windows you still let you pick [TS]

  everything you know you've fully designer blue with white trim or you can [TS]

  make Windows look just truly got awful but they'd like to do it but the thing [TS]

  they have in their the things they have in there are there for reasons that [TS]

  haven't changed the whole reason graphite is there is because they're [TS]

  essentially bowing to pressure from graphic designers who felt like the [TS]

  candy colors were throwing up their color sense and they know as I think I [TS]

  put another view this is such a multi-year big a few dollars designers [TS]

  who are like you've got to get these candy color doctor will decide our face [TS]

  it's totally destroying my ability to you know in the next two other colors [TS]

  and it's something that's neutral never said find his graphite and they gave me [TS]

  everything go blue tinge of gray which was worse I feel like throwing up color [TS]

  balance because if you if your mind believes it actually neutral grey but [TS]

  it's not there's more blue screen up way worse than primary colors red green [TS]

  yellow or good but I to graze morning I loved it though it was almost as though [TS]

  they let me pick is like right down my alley here now but like it doesn't [TS]

  that's not really what they asked for and how now with graphite is now now [TS]

  much more neutral grey and it's totally boring but for people who want something [TS]

  with Nicholas sign but they went the other direction like I said ok we've got [TS]

  blue and graphite and also but appreciate you can do this crazy dark [TS]

  mode that we serve half-hearted they did to match our programs like again you [TS]

  know that I asked about that they're like [TS]

  a bunch of different reasons for a bit like the one that has the most weight is [TS]

  like your customers want this to match the power applications that are also [TS]

  dark because they're like they're looking at video all day and they don't [TS]

  want the white menubar doc staring them in the face so here's a dark but I [TS]

  thought you must have stayed up to date with the betas over the summer I thought [TS]

  that they actually called it a dark mode and it seemed like a hint like when they [TS]

  unveiled it on stage at the BBC that it would be almost like everything windows [TS]

  that all sorts of stuff was going to go dark [TS]

  well so there's a couple reasons why they didn't do that like early on in the [TS]

  in the betas in the general control panel thing I like is the the same [TS]

  control was there but instead of being a checkbox it was a theme pop-up menu so I [TS]

  was like Africa with the words were like whatever word is next to the graphite [TS]

  aqua picker and then there was another picture that it was a pop-up menu of [TS]

  like seeing it was like regular and that became a check mark which is kind of the [TS]

  demoted from like I would not seeming is not OST me this is just check mark [TS]

  option that tweaks how certain things look and you can't go fold architect for [TS]

  the same reason even just making the menu bar dark was a problem because now [TS]

  you have all these third party and you know Apple's own in the beginning [TS]

  menu bar icons the drawing correctly when when they drew blood draw black on [TS]

  top of you can see anything Apple's own had to be updated in the third party [TS]

  ones had to be updated multiply that problem by about a bazillion if you try [TS]

  to change the entire interface too dark how many applications draw with black [TS]

  and if you put them on a black background everything's invisible so [TS]

  that was just not going to happen like the appearance manager in those days you [TS]

  had ways to you know every using the appearance manager you can make sure the [TS]

  replica and Apollo right because you didn't you if you embrace the appearance [TS]

  manager you never pick you never said drop black tank flush or whatever they [TS]

  give me the text color and now drawn text color and you didn't have to know [TS]

  what text color was whereas now you see a lot you know there's clearly a lot of [TS]

  apps that Coco was like cocoa was not made with that in mind and you know [TS]

  certainly jobs came back [TS]

  theme stuff was can even though the API's were still there and so like you [TS]

  know as a talk about there was there was a brief period whereas explosion of the [TS]

  evening [TS]

  a community but like even though that tech was there and people took advantage [TS]

  of a job as against it pretty much closed the door on that and now you have [TS]

  a an ecosystem of applications that are not prepared to be on a system where the [TS]

  system changes in radical way I mean it's hard enough for Apple when they [TS]

  change the look to make sure like you know if you drew custom control now [TS]

  looks wrong in everything and there's all sorts of other day and I know it's [TS]

  even after I even know that they've cut it down it's just use dark menu bar and [TS]

  Doc it's like the the selection cut the highlight color for them [TS]

  menus in the in the dark mode it's not right [TS]

  that's another you know vibrancy attempt to get in touch with the desktop [TS]

  background but also like you know sort of inverted type thing it's it's weird [TS]

  and sometimes little you know it looks a little sickly sometimes it doesn't you [TS]

  know it doesn't it doesn't have the pizzazz of like their big thing in the [TS]

  regular the regular look is this very light grey lighter than normal not a lot [TS]

  of grading to it and this really powerful kind of like if Pepto Bismol [TS]

  was blue instead of pink that's what the blue looks like right now it's like [TS]

  you're really like chalky thick opaque blue and that's your highlight color [TS]

  whereas when you go dark mode and just kind of becomes this like pale moonlight [TS]

  shining on yours like that element is not doesn't make a powerful statement [TS]

  yeah and it doesn't even convert the color of the text so I mean and you're [TS]

  saying that because you're running in and graphite know that's what we're [TS]

  talking about here [TS]

  confused if you run in changing thinkin on graphite and change the dark mode and [TS]

  then pull down menu and looks much marks looking stronger and yes it looks [TS]

  horrible and grab it looks ok in blue mode but it still doesn't change the [TS]

  color of the text though like in regular mode when you have like you you hover [TS]

  your mouse over the New File New then new goes from being written in black to [TS]

  being written and white because the blue is so vibrant in the dark mode they [TS]

  don't change to like they don't convert the text it's just too close it's not [TS]

  clear that the background is so different that you know you have to [TS]

  infer that gets too and then it and that's the thing with the vibrancy of a [TS]

  good showing that WWC like they would show that hey if you [TS]

  you draw text but like it you know again the text I don't think drawn on a [TS]

  vibrant background we will adjust the color of the text to make sure that [TS]

  every part of the text has enough contrast to be readable and so the text [TS]

  color changes because like behind but you can see behind the fire backgrounds [TS]

  but I'm held behind do whether it's a window a desktop background so you can't [TS]

  just pick one text color you have to sort of just the text color as you go [TS]

  along in sync with the whatever is behind the to make sure that this letter [TS]

  on the right side of this sentence is a totally different kind of miss lever [TS]

  unless i'd be the thing that's behind us different and they're trying to finesse [TS]

  that and and again I have to ask why what's the point of texas poker readable [TS]

  just put it on a background when you could wear the developer of the [TS]

  application control the foreground the background color and we can all read the [TS]

  friggin tax I don't need to see what's behind it [TS]

  why I i hear it I I'm surprised I'm still a little surprised that they even [TS]

  have all these options that they didn't you say you know my way or the highway [TS]

  and you gonna get gonna get blue indigo I get so I took us from 10.4 to 10.5 for [TS]

  them to just like brushed metal is gone [TS]

  pinstripes are gone there's one window style the buttons looking almost nothing [TS]

  is too transparent that the menus I mean I remember they liked the transparency [TS]

  of pull-down menus was so extreme in the beginning and then by the end like by a [TS]

  leopard and Snow Leopard timeframe it was practically opaque like why bother [TS]

  at that point like I can't see anything through this it's almost entirely opaque [TS]

  white right so you know it in 10 points 15 expect all this exuberance to a [TS]

  consolidated into one more conservative yet still recognizably yosemite issue [TS]

  and there's a couple of things they get right I think the new doc is great and I [TS]

  here's what you wrote in your review setting aside the particulars the [TS]

  Yosemite doc exudes a visual confidence that has been sorely missed in the last [TS]

  few releases of OS 10 like I i to me the doc exemplifies what yosemite is is [TS]

  shooting for ya and as I said to be it the ideal scenario for you to show off [TS]

  my brain see because the icons are so like you're not going to lose [TS]

  no matter what crazy crap is going on with the background image of the [TS]

  screenshot of like a look at how green it looks here look it up here the icon [TS]

  stand so proud of that interface you're not going to get lost you're not trying [TS]

  to read a bunch of texts and you have full freedom on that background where [TS]

  otherwise no information be conveyed to show off the school effect that we've [TS]

  done everything we've learned poll for a different colors in saturated it looks [TS]

  beautiful it's interesting and it you know it conveys this is a piece of glass [TS]

  or translucent thing laying over stuff like that is the ideal environment for [TS]

  this for this type of fact because it doesn't impair anything at all really [TS]

  and even like the parts are you hover and you get the text those they gave [TS]

  dedicated backgrounds that ok well now it's time for you to read text I'm not [TS]

  gonna mess around here I'm going to give you it is almost a fairly opaque light [TS]

  colored background with dark you know text on top of it or the reverse and [TS]

  dark mode to make sure you can read the text for the hunters and everything like [TS]

  that but doc itself would be fine figure it out no more ridge's no more weird [TS]

  frills no down nine angle and shiny things on it no reflections of the [TS]

  windows that are going above it like it's been a long road for the dog I [TS]

  think the Mavericks doctors and probably the best 3d doctor the kind of like that [TS]

  that you know not brush metal across something else in the parlance of the [TS]

  Mac but like sort of a matte finish metal type of thing the 3d effects still [TS]

  just does not work and should never have been done but that one of the most class [TS]

  but I was like we're done with that phase here's what the doc looks like a [TS]

  look the same vertical and horizontal this is the doc which is kind of a shame [TS]

  but it was never documented future anyway what was pending top and bottom [TS]

  yea doc centered on the edge of the screen people love to paint a top or the [TS]

  bottom I suspect that maybe one thing that they are personified get off [TS]

  complaints about it even though it was undocumented people who have been doing [TS]

  it and doing it since like you know whenever whenever the undocumented [TS]

  feature was added whatever Developer Preview thats you can say it's [TS]

  undocumented but once you've been doing it for 10 15 years as the faults right [TS]

  thing yet did you just give it a preference was you know a preference [TS]

  that you just put into terminal and [TS]

  and then I remember that com com that Apple dock pinning starter and whatever [TS]

  what's that app from the guy in Germany thats just just like a friend and all [TS]

  the references I like secrets or just from the guy who made Quiksilver [TS]

  internet shared database of this type of things with a million applications you [TS]

  know either show you what those commands are or run for a I think again I i think [TS]

  its obvious but that this interface is so clearly defined designed retina first [TS]

  and how it looks on non random acts is you know we'll make the best of it but [TS]

  it's so clearly a retina first design and I guess I should have it should have [TS]

  been a sign when we saw it at the BBC it should have been a sign that read like [TS]

  this would be the year we're gonna get red IMAX because I don't think it's a [TS]

  coincidence that their debuting at the same time as as an interface that so [TS]

  clearly is meant to be seen on the retina display but even if we weren't [TS]

  getting around desktop Macs this year they still have to design a friendly gas [TS]

  to be forward-looking no sense in making a brand new look for the Mac at this [TS]

  point in time even if right now we're gonna go over two years you just have to [TS]

  you have to say it like you have to be forward-looking about the SEC which is [TS]

  why I hope to god whatever new filesystem Apple must surely be working [TS]

  on is made entirely with SSDs in my like screw spinning disks I know this time [TS]

  around I know people can use it for years but if you're doing something now [TS]

  you have to be forward-looking yeah I totally agree that it's a good point [TS]

  that it would make sense maybe even make it so that doesn't even run on an honest [TS]

  nine assists easy to use a plus to the end of time on your spinning hard deaths [TS]

  don't smoke them a chance to really something I think that the choice of [TS]

  Helvetica Neue in particular is is the clearest sign that it's meant to be seen [TS]

  on rent first cuz it as I look at yosemite on a non it's the type that [TS]

  really annoys people upset that I didn't make more of that in my review and the [TS]

  reunited make marvelous excite truly believe most people will not even notice [TS]

  I know that is inconceivable to those of us who are like diapers and I'm not even [TS]

  that big of time murder but it bothers me on random acts and it's not like and [TS]

  you might you might have not read the max for a while right but like but even [TS]

  I i'm not as bothered by it as you aren't as many BR but I truly think [TS]

  regular people will just absolutely not noticed the text even if you put side by [TS]

  side they know people are just not sensitive maybe if you had changed like [TS]

  brush Script alike you know Cairo people would notice but not noticed you change [TS]

  from one sensor on to another cycle notice I noticed that it's not really a [TS]

  vatican noise it's it's a system fun I found where it lives must be somewhere [TS]

  in / library and used to be available in the File menu in the early eighties when [TS]

  they took it out of there but yes hiding in the end and 21 not for any reason [TS]

  like makes sense sir Michael well we want to make a readable system because [TS]

  they had to make the metrics match so it's kind of it's kind of perverted by [TS]

  the need to match metric so I think it's basically a clearer than it needs to be [TS]

  so it's the same with our closest possible I think that's exactly it's [TS]

  well and it works a little better and it's a little bit of a concession or not [TS]

  even a little bit I actually know that they spent an awful lot of time once [TS]

  they decide okay we're gonna go to have addict and we still got all of these nan [TS]

  Ren maximum support for years to come and in some cases they might even be [TS]

  selling for years to come [TS]

  right you know who knows when the Mac Pro is going to be able to support Apple [TS]

  branded retina displays [TS]

  MacBook Air rumors say is gonna go read there soonish but it's you know it's [TS]

  gotta support on rent them for a long time they spend a lot of time tweaking [TS]

  the metrics not just to make it match loosen up but also to make sure that as [TS]

  you know that it at the sizes that it's used as a system fun that it hits the [TS]

  pics are boundaries as often as possible [TS]

  hello and hello becomes just one big indistinct blurred looks like I'm really [TS]

  sick capitalized or something right I get my favorite example so there's a lot [TS]

  of a lot of apps it's a standard menu and cocoa the Format menu in the menu [TS]

  bar if you look at least on a Retina display and I don't have a yosemite [TS]

  non-random retina display at least the are in the end there's clearly some [TS]

  space between them whereas if you just open a text edit documents at the fun [TS]

  tell him that i annoy like 1618 or whatever it is and type the word format [TS]

  are in the AM gonna touch and it's gonna look you know unless you know you know [TS]

  it's just one of those you just have to know the word you can't tell which ones [TS]

  the AM in with you know it all looks like a bunch of humps next to each other [TS]

  and not a ligature you don't think it's not just that it's that the default [TS]

  caring for Helvetica Neue is tight enough that the Word format at that size [TS]

  is gonna blur together which is one of those things that people don't like it [TS]

  don't like what else like the word window even is sort of currents [TS]

  differently if you use real Helvetica Neue you know the way that the W [TS]

  Slam tennis at the W you know has space next to it with the eye that the the [TS]

  dialogue is it gonna get lost in the W [TS]

  it's very thoughtful I makes me wonder why they don't use that I guess it's [TS]

  cause of the metrics why like on Iowa State is used Helvetica Neue there's no [TS]

  special version of it for the system fun to my knowledge and i was line has [TS]

  essentially these on the iPad Mini yeah waistline has been in red no longer [TS]

  comfortable [TS]

  you know again forward-looking like to make these devices there there are going [TS]

  to be ready soon enough because the screen just enough we know we can do it [TS]

  design and interface specially designed interface that is aimed at a World [TS]

  barreled into icy road because they're going to be that way really soon yeah [TS]

  Fisher syllabus whipped and will call the show because it's been a long time [TS]

  but I i from your review here from my notes on page 16 year old among a [TS]

  certain set of Mac enthusiasts it was a point of pride to have many rows of [TS]

  icons filling the startup screen that's a reference to the classic Mac OS where [TS]

  the whole section where you're talking about old style extensions that just ran [TS]

  into memory space of every app or in the system space you know the system as [TS]

  always all the same system and i was just wondering memory region carved up [TS]

  into pieces and I made me laugh because I remember thinking about that [TS]

  like when I first started becoming a Mac nerd it was absolutely a point of pride [TS]

  to have as many of those possible but there there was like if you kept going [TS]

  and became more informed a little bit more mature it started becoming at the [TS]

  highest levels it became more of a point of pride to have its few of those things [TS]

  is possible that the pride in having a lot of them wasn't so much that your [TS]

  machine Michelle tricked out but that you had figured out the correct low [TS]

  daughter and incompatibility that you can actually run this many and they all [TS]

  worked because there was always likely gotta love this first and this has to be [TS]

  here and these two are talking about a lazy enabled us when you have to disable [TS]

  these do but this when you can still keep moving after that like it's a [TS]

  conflict catcher is made for like that not only did you had all the software [TS]

  that you had figured out how to make it into a stable system and then yet [TS]

  eventually you get sick of spending your time playing with conflict catcher you [TS]

  like to really need Adobe Type Manager doing really really need to have any fun [TS]

  still actually like you know something's gotta go [TS]

  managers big so a team goes out the door as she always had to run a 10 doing I [TS]

  was doing design work but ATM was a good example where is the character we had [TS]

  everybody I mean it shipped from Adobe with like I think the tilde character [TS]

  and front like the extension till killed the ATM because on the old Mac OS till [TS]

  this sorted alphabetically first because it had to load first or was it last but [TS]

  did you know that and and putting funny characters pretty things in your Apple [TS]

  menu folder how many items sold it to me [TS]

  yeah but that was a very different world tonight but that if you live through [TS]

  that you you understand like the whole thing with extensions like I was someone [TS]

  down the whole time right and we're all that we were on ways to extend the [TS]

  system like keyboards or like bad having share powell's include our stuff in it [TS]

  all these things like ammonia way do so that it may be a way to do it for iOS [TS]

  right but on a Mac even an OS 10 we don't have these memory patching [TS]

  essential we had we had all sorts of people have found ways using simple [TS]

  extensions or remark injected get your coat in there like this automatic needed [TS]

  extensions I was 10 has extensions and the reason that Apple said we're gonna [TS]

  make the suspension system priority is going to be safe and sandbox know that [TS]

  you know things are doing we're also gonna do it for the Mac because this [TS]

  part of the unification of the platform why should we not have you can't deceive [TS]

  can't be sorting out ways to extend again to craft your way and it's kind of [TS]

  dangerous but we don't need to bother with that number ttyl max anyway the new [TS]

  Apple is it we have an awesome way to make extensions were gonna deployed [TS]

  everywhere the Mexican again I was gonna get it if there's a way to do it on the [TS]

  watch that's going to get it too and that's that's a different philosophy and [TS]

  like if you lived through the bad old days of these are two rows of icons you [TS]

  understand and deepen your bones what is wrong with letting other people software [TS]

  enter your memories racing school with your applications and so any type of [TS]

  extension mechanism that avoids all those evils yes please bring it to the [TS]

  Mac not because we can't get [TS]

  you know extensions now we have all these weird extensions that can do weird [TS]

  things your Mac even in August and we just want better ones we don't we don't [TS]

  want to be one never want to be close to re-creating that bad old world of those [TS]

  those rows of icons yeah we want the future and it's but we don't know if [TS]

  you're technically informed at all you don't want the buggy ramifications and I [TS]

  backed off like I used a lot more memory passing mention the early days of those [TS]

  10 lot of it to you know backfill functionality that wasn't in the OS [TS]

  itself and I just slowly pair of those things down like I ran application [TS]

  extent answer AP from the insanity guys around for years and years within a [TS]

  certain point it was like enough is enough [TS]

  I'm only using it for 12 things I can't live without them like a window shades [TS]

  last month ago so I really truly love that I wish I could get it back now but [TS]

  clean hooks into the OS but the real API is that don't involve invading memory [TS]

  space of another process that's what we've always wanted the whole time and [TS]

  now Apple's only providing that so I hope every every existing Apple [TS]

  mechanism is there still wants Apple supported ones like a no text input [TS]

  methods and also those things that actually will load you put something in [TS]

  a special folder you lunch application and the friendly cocoa frameworks will [TS]

  look in that folder thing and loaded into the application and you're supposed [TS]

  to be well behaved and not do anything nasty and you know but like not supposed [TS]

  to implement something that changes when you double-click at the top of any [TS]

  window yeah but like once you're in there like that's why you know scripting [TS]

  additions were like a gateway into the thinkers simple extensions like you know [TS]

  we have all these things but some of them are officially out even like the [TS]

  menu bar icons someone was trying to correct me if I'm pretty sure someone [TS]

  can send a correction to you that if you write a badly behaved menu bar you know [TS]

  I contact thing you can press a crash system UI server because you're kind of [TS]

  in the mix their maybe maybe that's not the case now if you'd asked at a bar set [TS]

  of the item instead of the new actress thing that supposed to be undocumented [TS]

  but there's still lots of officially supported Apple things where you can get [TS]

  your code into someone else's memory space and all those mechanisms I would [TS]

  like them to make [TS]

  a officially supported you know separate process extension mechanism like all [TS]

  that you know the ones that are near 70 because I like all that functionality [TS]

  elected even better if you can make it safer so that badly behaved extension [TS]

  can crash my appt the the part of your review that I thought I was a little [TS]

  surprised he spent as much space on it was swift and after reading it made all [TS]

  the sense in the world and I thought it was really really good I thought it was [TS]

  you know but that's why I like your reviews is your you always surprise me [TS]

  with something good I didn't anticipate your writing that much about swift [TS]

  because I didn't see swift as you seventy feature I just saw it as [TS]

  something that coincidentally was it 2014 thing that Apple did and you know I [TS]

  S 870 just happened to be the first new OS is that you know that you can right [TS]

  now that's like an ATP like I found myself in WVC sitting in metal sessions [TS]

  and taking notes right like what am I doing this isn't this is an interesting [TS]

  technology medals for iOS only like why am I even bought but like it's because I [TS]

  was starting to view everything that Apple did not as like oh this is a Mac [TS]

  technology this is an Irish technology but like these are Apple's platform [TS]

  technologies and even though medals in on the Mac now there's no reason it [TS]

  can't be in the future and even though so after not specific to extend its just [TS]

  as applicable to a standard that is the iOS right i mean the other reason of [TS]

  course I made as a big section of this is the two recent one there's always [TS]

  something that I put in their view that I know almost nobody cares about the [TS]

  data right oblique the disproportionate amount about maybe not as much as I like [TS]

  you know I read a whole section on launch day at one point no one has been [TS]

  launched except for me so you know like that it was interesting to me and I like [TS]

  I I give myself that I in the second thing is cuz I have a personal history [TS]

  with like the whole clamoring for a new language and everything and I have my [TS]

  say I was going to do it and I always tell people I think your take is [TS]

  interesting and it's the reaction that people at large have had to Swift is [TS]

  curious to me because I see an awful a person's WBC and continuing until now I [TS]

  see an awful lot of criticism [TS]

  from developers of about swift it to me just seems uncalled for [TS]

  like it's it's the first version they just came out with it it's going to get [TS]

  better [TS]

  like all programming languages do like the thing is though is that they're [TS]

  showing it to us by Apple standards extraordinarily early and letting us [TS]

  learning are here is what we're thinking you know here's our idea for the next [TS]

  generation language for writing apps for our platforms in a very early stage and [TS]

  then they they've already incorporated a slew of feedback from the outside its it [TS]

  to me in a broad sense it's exactly what we've a lot of us have been hoping to [TS]

  see from Apple not just regarding developer tools but just Apple in [TS]

  general of don't don't be sad you read about this in numerous times they don't [TS]

  just take seven smart people and put them aside and let them work for five [TS]

  years and come out with a thin because no matter how smart they are how [TS]

  talented they are they're going to have their own personal idiosyncrasies are [TS]

  are going to lead them to overlook certain things you know that that they [TS]

  wouldn't if it was exposed to the world at large but now he you know they've [TS]

  they've finished in they've given it to us and here it is right like if they had [TS]

  been working on swift for another two years and then came out with it but said [TS]

  this is it final [TS]

  it wouldn't have incorporated all sorts of things that they're incorporating and [TS]

  about it but they're getting they're getting flak for it like the fact that [TS]

  it's changed so much just since WWDC well I think you've kind of made their [TS]

  arguing for them in some respects this two-part this one is a lot of things [TS]

  about swift are not are fundamental to the philosophy embody byline which [TS]

  mostly having to do with like how how how method calls are bound to like it [TS]

  what implementation happens when I call this method are basically method calls [TS]

  instead of message-passing order philosophically late binding versus only [TS]

  binding and swift is dead bodies have everything statically figured out you [TS]

  know what code what could you know you type something here looks like a [TS]

  function call what implementation is actually runs with wants to know compile [TS]

  time Objective C its runtime is like our dynamic dispatch I can figure out what [TS]

  it is you can do method swiveling you can [TS]

  for method names out of strings and call them that philosophical divide is not [TS]

  something that's going to be changed with the tweak to language no swift can [TS]

  use the Objective C wrong time as you if you object knows all the stuff that [TS]

  philosophical divide dynamic versus static that's that's just an a an honest [TS]

  difference between people who like that aspect of Objective C and the people who [TS]

  design swift for saying that type of town guests back to makes whole classes [TS]

  optimization impossible for us because we can't see through the call boundary [TS]

  to understand how we can optimize across across that call is we don't even know [TS]

  what the hell's going to call and so that's a philosophical difference in no [TS]

  matter week is gonna change and the second thing is the idea that they're [TS]

  putting it out early and doing doing these two weeks today that the minor [TS]

  details and stuff like that you know the complaint against that possibly by [TS]

  different people you know I really can't win here to please everybody is that [TS]

  place which is great and all but it would have been like they think that it [TS]

  was basically these guys going off and some smart guys came out with this thing [TS]

  we really would have loved to have you had built a major application with this [TS]

  language first and then presented to us like give you a dog food today [TS]

  longer because if your dog food and you would have found all the same exact [TS]

  things were finding like how many times they tweaked out interacts with like a [TS]

  core foundation in Objective C API like the various idioms of how'd because they [TS]

  didn't write no new framework they need his language or existing frameworks in [TS]

  the end it's not quite an exact match they have to come up with conventions [TS]

  like when you call one of these things we're gonna do this summer and like all [TS]

  these different dimensions how to handle in a terrible grammar errors and mapping [TS]

  between optionals which exists in swift and like nail and optional like that in [TS]

  Objective C how to be crosses boundaries if they had used swift to write a major [TS]

  application that this is so the argument goes they would have figured a lot of [TS]

  stuff out on their own instead of bringing out bringing out to a so early [TS]

  it seems like this has kept him really private to a small group of people and [TS]

  now you're throwing on top of us go it's not ready now that's kind of self [TS]

  countries I want you want you want to really do want to be done [TS]

  you don't you want to have feedback but different people want different things [TS]

  is not like a single person is trying to ask people to do things that are [TS]

  completely contradictory its different groups of people on different things so [TS]

  yeah I mean I think I think it would look like in 1989 whatever I wanted to [TS]

  see it looks like now and like the end that the pace of development of [TS]

  electricity has accelerated so much in the past few years that I'm willing to [TS]

  give swift a lot of leeway to get things right but philosophically speaking if [TS]

  you have a disagreement like you know the dynamic dispatch anything like that [TS]

  that I don't see you know that's just going to have to be in a disagreement I [TS]

  don't think that's going to change that much you know 'cause that's like the [TS]

  ideas like is a dynamic by defaulting to get tied down or sit static by default [TS]

  and you can make it dynamic and very much and then the campus static by the [TS]

  fault and you have the ability to make certain things dynamic and other people [TS]

  I know you got the default should be the other way but it's a comin for ya [TS]

  reading your your review and and what you had to say about swift and I i love [TS]

  it to me it's it's you know the right way to have about this like you even [TS]

  admit that there's aspects of the language that you as a programmer aren't [TS]

  your liking [TS]

  you're not you don't like having you know the Senate typing but you don't you [TS]

  don't take that as therefore it bad right [TS]

  statically typed languages or bad it is a perfect you know that's so much of the [TS]

  internet is is not being able to acknowledge ok I disagree with that I [TS]

  dislike that but that I i cant knowledge that that is a valid valid philosophy to [TS]

  house and especially since they stated their goals this is the type of language [TS]

  we want to make and you can evaluate how well this is achieved their own stated [TS]

  goals and then you can also like like it a lot of the argument against website [TS]

  maybe you disagree with the goals then fine then what you say is you should [TS]

  never tried to make a language that is is convened a scripting language but you [TS]

  can write how s because you you make a crappy like a jack of all trades master [TS]

  of none like feel free to argue with the premises in the mission statement but [TS]

  that is a separate argument which you can have from if I accept this mission [TS]

  statement you know how well this will fulfill that mission and what were the [TS]

  how to do it like that the most interesting thing to me because I think [TS]

  the mission is incredibly ambitious like I said [TS]

  only an apple move like it is very gutsy and very ambitious and not cuz it's not [TS]

  doing whatever it seemed really wanted to like just make me a better nicer [TS]

  Objective C that's all I want don't try to make some crazy language that you [TS]

  think you can use for everything I could you could you know because if you look [TS]

  at the software stack like you have things that are written in C and even in [TS]

  C++ and then you have things that are in Objective C and why are these three [TS]

  languages there well for the really low level stuff like the current all in like [TS]

  it maybe even like you know CoreFoundation and then we have the C [TS]

  and C++ of those things but them like the higher-level former soldier in [TS]

  Objective C and so if the saying why can't we have one language that spans [TS]

  the whole range of 19 which may be wrong about the colonel in just yet but we [TS]

  could have really wanted to because we wouldn't have to worry about a [TS]

  performance hit right because it can be as fast as a low-level languages but it [TS]

  can go all the way up to hey you just want a bunch of stuff and you know you [TS]

  wanna do you know [TS]

  hashed bang user been swift and just start typing and you want to create you [TS]

  want to create a string just by typing you know quotation mark [TS]

  here's the string like all the things we love about JavaScript Perl or Python and [TS]

  make one language its fans that whole range because it's an ambitious goal and [TS]

  it would be great for Apple they can pull it off like hey finally we don't [TS]

  have to hire C developer C++ object to see developers and maintaining compile [TS]

  data compiled three different standards yes i-ninety diocese lost 11 and [TS]

  whatever the hell we doing to Objective C if we just make one language that we [TS]

  control everything about that it's our thing that spans the entire range of [TS]

  things [TS]

  boy wouldn't that be amazing and maybe they're biting off more than they can [TS]

  chew but I admire the ambition and my question is how the hell you gonna do [TS]

  that and so I wanted to delve into how do you make a language is easy to make [TS]

  the parts that you type like you could just a blah blah blah our language will [TS]

  have this here's the key word here is a syntax and then go to track empower them [TS]

  extends out into code that runs that's the hard part you know how do you how do [TS]

  you get from something looks like JavaScript up early review Python but as [TS]

  fast to see and that's what I spent the entire second was rude delving into [TS]

  because I think it's interesting and definitely a change of pace from the way [TS]

  Apple has done to you know compiler software [TS]

  and certainly a change of pace from the way JavaScript when times are [TS]

  implemented or Java runtime certainly Ruby Python Perl that stuff yeah it's [TS]

  it's evident and it's funny because you know so many Apple employees are just [TS]

  never in public and never named and you know how they're inside the company but [TS]

  you know because Chris Lattner started LVM project outside Apple you know and [TS]

  then they marlys it wasn't a company is an open source project but they [TS]

  effectively Akwa hired him when they bought it you know they effectively [TS]

  bought the open source project when they brought him on board but he's you know [TS]

  that's clearly to be you know it's very obvious like you said that there have [TS]

  been in the rate of change of objective see improvements over the last few years [TS]

  has been impressive well it coincides with the LLVM here and they got the [TS]

  complaint they took control of the compiler brother you know what they've [TS]

  shown in control the key technologies for a platform to compile is one of [TS]

  those technologies wire using gcc it's hampering our ability to extend the [TS]

  language temporary and optimizes hampering their ability to make sure I D [TS]

  that is multi multi year transition slowly slowly getting away from Dec to [TS]

  be fully on LVM based compiler and then like they're off to the races and it's a [TS]

  you said you have to look back to what are the goals of the project GCC is a [TS]

  fantastic project it is one of the most successful computer science projects in [TS]

  history but its stated goal is to be a universal compiler for any and all [TS]

  platforms and the fact that it succeeded at that is why it was there for next to [TS]

  use when they started bolting on Objective C features to see back in the [TS]

  eighties it's the fact that GCC was there and aimed to be universal was the [TS]

  reason that they can get it to work but then the fact that it's universal and [TS]

  it's apparently convolution oh really really impenetrable old code base [TS]

  eventually just really hampered their ability to move forward and it was also [TS]

  old like as an old code base and and and anything you did its kind of do anything [TS]

  W three see you know anything you did icon has to be your needs aren't the [TS]

  only needs here there are other stakeholders you gotta have to get [TS]

  agreement from all parties involved in this is a thing that you want to do [TS]

  because there's just one codebase whereas Apple doesn't anyone's ok to do [TS]

  it the hell they want with their compiler and it's not quite like that [TS]

  those clang and that's not that's a C C++ compiler those are open source there [TS]

  are other people that are using them Apple can just do whatever the hell they [TS]

  want with that type of things that made it up with a forecast of the people of [TS]

  their sentence that there but thus far Swift is not open source and not open [TS]

  that's another issue people out with language it's entirely there's I don't [TS]

  know if that will change in the future I know there are people inside Apple who [TS]

  wanted to be open source but there are you know that is not high on their [TS]

  priority list apparently like right now they just get out the door get get [TS]

  yosemite out the door [TS]

  get the language in ship shape and then revisit this issue in the future I don't [TS]

  think they're do anything like that until it settles down and tell us you [TS]

  know swift of this year is nearly identical to Swift last year to say I [TS]

  don't think they need to like that that is I can understand that desire to do [TS]

  that like the motivation like what makes you feel like let's just you know was [TS]

  tabled until we get our stuff together [TS]

  compared to WebKit WebKit was like you know open because it came from Kate's [TS]

  email it was always open and did it didn't impact like we don't wanna make [TS]

  you don't want to show it to the world [TS]

  cells now they show it to the world as soon as a noun Safari and it was [TS]

  definitely shaky and we are not doesn't seem to have hurt web development so I [TS]

  think it can be done is just a question of the question of priorities and like [TS]

  their Apple has never been the greatest open-source citizen in terms of like you [TS]

  have complete access to our repository c/o changes in real time they just dumps [TS]

  like them do their work it's hidden away and then they released a product based [TS]

  on an is an open-source dump and that is not really the way that everyone wants [TS]

  open source said sure better than ever changing the code all the gist of it is [TS]

  the more I learn about swift and you know get past the intro you know chapter [TS]

  one of the script programming book just hello world I programs it's it's evident [TS]

  that it is exactly what you would think it is it's a language designed by a [TS]

  compiler guy which is interesting I compile a guy who'd like C++ a little [TS]

  bit [TS]

  clearly comes through a little bit of the amazon has the bus + like it's [TS]

  obviously everyone they use anyone anyone who uses any language for a long [TS]

  period of time comes to hate that language but also kind of like it a lot [TS]

  longer use it the more you just like the part that you hate is great and you but [TS]

  you also kind of like it so it's like Swift has a lot of the things in a year [TS]

  like this person clearly hates a lot of features about C++ but also kinda think [TS]

  some of them are kind of okay and just like just like boy which they have been [TS]

  done differently [TS]

  yeah but it's it's it's so obvious I think the details you delve into make a [TS]

  lot of these things clear where it's never academically precocious it's not [TS]

  this is clever this you know which is when you and I were younger lot of the [TS]

  new languages where we're doing her small talker list yeah exactly the [TS]

  mathematical error haskell these days well list predates us fruitless from the [TS]

  fifties but there in that that that whole derivatives that whole realm of [TS]

  languages Dylan's a perfect example cuz it was I think it came up in the [TS]

  nineties but you know it was academically interesting but it was [TS]

  curious viewpoint on something like how and how would you make mac toolbox calls [TS]

  from Delon try to pursue it as like the whole purpose of this languages like you [TS]

  have to we have to be able to call into the both of you know what they're [TS]

  calling it a C C++ and Objective C frameworks that already exist [TS]

  alright so you know we have to be able to work with like NSObject in the [TS]

  Objective C runtime and by the way we also even though it's a memory safe [TS]

  thing by the fall they also have to wait to do it [TS]

  unsafe point because sometimes we do that like totally pragmatic music and [TS]

  can't afford to do anything else like the mission statement is to be his [TS]

  language expands your dreams and its fans huge range because guess what Apple [TS]

  has a bunch of existing code [TS]

  in that huge rain and if you want to interface with it or someday replace [TS]

  that you have to spend the same range and they get to use three languages you [TS]

  get four languages are depending on you can't like you know C++ C Objective C [TS]

  and unlike shell scripting or Python or whatever you want to try to spend that [TS]

  whole range you're gonna have to be pragmatic about what you're willing to [TS]

  do to your beautiful language and it's you know a lot of the languages that are [TS]

  popular were not designed by compiling slurry wall was not a compiler you know [TS]

  he was a replacement for like a bunch of shell scripts and you know Dr and said [TS]

  talk and you know is I would just he more or less it was here's the syntex [TS]

  I'd like to be able to write to do these things and then he made a thing that did [TS]

  them and I think you know you said on ATP than a lot of sin for decades after [TS]

  there's a lot of work of all how do we make this crazy language fast not so [TS]

  much repairable JavaScript syntax looks kinda like john was not really and by [TS]

  the way will make some way to run it right and it adds there was no [TS]

  consideration to how to make it fast and then the result was an interesting [TS]

  language that was pretty approachable for most people who can program and that [TS]

  was dreadfully slow and it's been said millions of dollars and fight for 345 [TS]

  major generations of how are we actually going to run JavaScript you know to get [TS]

  to where we are today where it runs at a reasonable speed whereas swift you know [TS]

  being written by a compiler guy maybe the preeminent compiler guy in the world [TS]

  today has just reached from top to bottom of this is going to be fast and [TS]

  she was written by compiling I still like the languages that look like [TS]

  portable assembly like where you can see where a massive it's not that rare for [TS]

  Lancashire written by compiling I but it's rare for a high-level language [TS]

  right well that's exactly it that's exactly it where it [TS]

  facts he looks like it's written by a compiler because it looks that it looks [TS]

  like compiler input looks like like an intermediary form you could even squint [TS]

  at it and see the assembly code that corresponds a special disc CD is back in [TS]

  the day yeah especially if you look at older seko [TS]

  you know from the seventies and eighties before it some of the you know slightly [TS]

  higher level features I got added you know later versions [TS]

  it on its sleeve it's it's you know this is made to be easy to compile and you [TS]

  shouldn't you should read you probably didn't because really long but one of [TS]

  the things one of the many many many things are going to review was a link to [TS]

  that awesome WebKit blog post about the fourth fourth tier LVM optimizer for [TS]

  JavaScript try actually reading the whole article because they like they [TS]

  take you through it it's really really well written and they really just a [TS]

  piece at a time and you probably got like 50% 60% through it and realize the [TS]

  haven't even gotten to the part that tells you the new thing they did [TS]

  everything they've described so far that is blowing your mind is existing [TS]

  JavaScript optimization features they haven't even gotten to the fourth tier [TS]

  part like the hoops to jump through May JavaScript fast just to make your head [TS]

  spin like every one of them seem so incredibly dangerous that they will be [TS]

  invisible to try and seems impossible to get everybody to work and yet that's her [TS]

  all running on our web browsers and it's on every platform every day every piano [TS]

  and probably mean right I don't see any way out of it for the rest of her life [TS]

  JavaScript is gonna be a part of my life on the planet living for a long time but [TS]

  you gotta go with dark and everything like people that runs out of time to [TS]

  time if anybody ever gets like like you know Bitcoin ever ever gets hundreds [TS]

  more than 50% of the compute power of anyone ever gets like dominant market [TS]

  share my brothers again which doesn't look like it's gonna happen but hey who [TS]

  knows they could replace they know someone could seize the moment until I [TS]

  Google is trying to try but don't like we have a popular browser have but [TS]

  everyone right darn we can pre compile it and it's like JavaScript enabled to [TS]

  be in like sorry you don't have that kind of pull their jobs but I don't put [TS]

  out of even like when I like a swift I made a few sly illusions and things like [TS]

  there is no reason that Apple couldn't say oh and by the way you can just like [TS]

  you can write dark and the run [TS]

  Google Chrome wherever you can put swift code and he and his you load your in [TS]

  your web pages instead of JavaScript and when we load them we will compile the [TS]

  source code and keep the compiled version will be much faster than jobs [TS]

  good because it's on that level of like not that much worse to use in JavaScript [TS]

  libraries are not up to snuff or whatever but or even just server-side [TS]

  web programming like the places where Smith control is not not constrained in [TS]

  the same way as as Objective C or any other languages so if Apple ever want to [TS]

  make that move and say you know you can use Javascript or you can use its best [TS]

  to do it like if you're gonna make like I S only web app where you knew the [TS]

  target platform can do that with a result in library that's in the in the [TS]

  browser you know with a buncha niceties compiler gets fast enough like there are [TS]

  many things that are possible when this is very new baby swift starts getting [TS]

  mature like it if they succeed in their goal to make a language that spans this [TS]

  range and that is able to be fastened everything there's all sorts of places [TS]

  like even just down to like the stupid shell scripts and Perl scripts they had [TS]

  that are buried inside the installer packages also offer an OS 10 if its west [TS]

  had a file i/o library that was worth a damn instead of having to use coke [TS]

  overstuffed like the language doesn't preclude that they could they could make [TS]

  change all the scripts like you can really make one big unified language or [TS]

  can turn out the ten years now we turn I was followed to try to spend that [TS]

  language was one language and didn't work out well and it makes me curious [TS]

  funny too it makes me think it's one of those things where it was like you know [TS]

  in turn inside out a lot of people don't know what was almost nobody knew that's [TS]

  what was going on everybody I talked to a couple was surprised by Swiss [TS]

  announcement as we were excited like what what to me it's an unfortunate [TS]

  coincidence that it also happened to be the year that the automation group added [TS]

  JavaScript support as an alternative to Apple's crap everywhere you could write [TS]

  a prescription now you can write JavaScript it seems to me like a better [TS]

  idea might have been to hold off on that [TS]

  and wait until you can do in swift just like with the with the JavaScript [TS]

  automation the OSA script thing you can use the Javascript automation 22 content [TS]

  injects a library the lows Ruby and your own review code for languages in one [TS]

  command line like all things business all these weird bridges from from apples [TS]

  from JavaScript John's graduation you can load Objective C libraries and from [TS]

  senator to see that race you can go to Ruby things I guess from the Ruby Coco [TS]

  thing or whatever it is quiet and then just us with into that makes two they [TS]

  can interoperate with Objective C as well yeah I guess so but it seems to me [TS]

  like the future I'm always happy when the automation stuff has any new [TS]

  features because I'm always afraid that they gonna should turn the lights down [TS]

  south group but so much that they have libraries life share nowadays I I only [TS]

  say that because I just know that a high-level Apple's interest isn't there [TS]

  I'm not saying that your effort into the last couple of years haven't been good I [TS]

  think the last couple of years have been great script libraries have been great [TS]

  they've been you know and I think adding JavaScript is supported languages great [TS]

  I just can't help but think though that in the long run there be more script [TS]

  written in automation scripts written in swift then Apple script or out [TS]

  job script for all those things in the reason you can have a different [TS]

  languages the problem is not the language except maybe Java JavaScript [TS]

  cigarettes language to people who want like a regular programming language [TS]

  problem is the problem is the API for talking to me that's the hard part is [TS]

  like you gotta figure out what is that what is a dictionary support how do I [TS]

  can I do what I need to do [TS]

  can address this window in a way that is reliable can I get it that the element [TS]

  in this window kinda like it's all down to how scriptable the application and [TS]

  the languages just like a minor implementation detail at that point most [TS]

  of the time you're fighting with the scripting dictionaries of the apps will [TS]

  they even let you do what you want to do and what kind of weird hoops you have to [TS]

  jump through well I just think you know that if they if they can eventually get [TS]

  it to be swift to be easier to call into [TS]

  like if you wanted to put like near board version and sounds as if filed [TS]

  with your script that it's you know it would be a lot more just like since Coco [TS]

  already uses it it would be easier to call from the scripting side to it was [TS]

  the same language now but then you kind of doing actual real application [TS]

  development like you're not even call you start to send Apple that's right I [TS]

  guess so I don't know I mean I do now I don't know your call natively into that [TS]

  you know I don't know the automation story is always been a little weird I [TS]

  think it is making progress in recent years so I'm kind of optimistic about it [TS]

  I like the idea of like when they renamed AppleScript editor script editor [TS]

  and now actually when you launch it you can pick which language you want to be [TS]

  your default and each window has a little pop-up menu that says it's a [TS]

  script editor do on a great Apple scripts for JavaScript or scripts quite [TS]

  yet but like it's poised to OSA was always supposed to be multilanguage but [TS]

  for the longest time it was like multilanguage in theory and now its [TS]

  final multilanguage in actuality again so finally it is violence that's an [TS]

  actual 9 around on on iraq finally yeah this probably other languages that [TS]

  people have been using like people don't use frontier anymore but that was one of [TS]

  them well and there was JavaScript mark called rid of late night software that [TS]

  guy behind script to bugger and he had faced ban for a while he had a [TS]

  javascript OSA that was built as JavaScript engine that did work but it [TS]

  never really took off and it cuz I think it's the sort of thing where had to come [TS]

  from Apple to really take off and there were certain witnesses that that using [TS]

  javascript instead of a postscript you ended up with tangled syntax that was [TS]

  like why would take Apple to fix it because I kinda added you know how to be [TS]

  fixed at the OS a level not at the language there has always been a little [TS]

  bit weird I mean it's like you just the languages are so different how can you [TS]

  how can you call the same things and it's always just you know especially [TS]

  when you're calling that other libraries again because like you know JavaScript [TS]

  important objective see stuff like to see calls but named parameters but John [TS]

  doesn't have named parameters see all these magical things just like the the [TS]

  Python Coco bridges they've had everything we're but always say is [TS]

  always going to be crossed the whole point of its own script architecture [TS]

  always comes back to Apple script anyway that we've gone on long enough I think [TS]

  it's been a good show I I love your review and ATP is my favorite show [TS]

  thank you really is and it's all because of you I was no make up for that of [TS]

  course I like Casey I like Marco but what is interesting about the ATP is it [TS]

  you guys often disagree maybe even usually one of three views gonna [TS]

  disagree and whenever there's an argument and I'm listening and I know [TS]

  everybody out there people often tell me this is like everybody listen to podcast [TS]

  noses feeling we're like somebody will say something and you want to jump in [TS]

  and you know either correct something they said was wrong or point out the [TS]

  logical conclusion of where this is going [TS]

  and I think that makes ATP my favorite show is that you're always there to do [TS]

  it and it's so satisfying I think I gotta gotta right to these guys and tell [TS]

  them that reminds me of something and as soon as you have a chance chance chance [TS]

  to jump in nine times out of ten you say exactly what it is that I was hoping [TS]

  somebody would say otherwise I'm just complaining one of the aftershocks [TS]

  recently I think I treated you bad like when you're talking about the 16 gigs of [TS]

  flash which are going to talk about an hour in the iOS devices around the house [TS]

  terrible like we recorded an ATP and I called that move like a punitive moving [TS]

  out this part and then you before we could pose to show you either posted a [TS]

  blog post about it what do you call that punitive [TS]

  released a podcast over you called the punitive it's like god damnit like this [TS]

  we both said the same thing but yours got out first [TS]

  yeah I know I know the feeling I get when I hear you up I guess it I think [TS]

  the same thing like we tend to think and say the same things and then it's like [TS]

  half the time you're excited the other person chiming in with what you would [TS]

  have said if you're there and the other half the time you like I was just [TS]

  thinking that credit for that idea we die we should go online about it but we [TS]

  can talk about the 16 things quickly but I think if you want to stop dancing [TS]

  around the the the Elephant Room I think the bottom line is that you mention it [TS]

  but it all comes down to is it is a beer in the back of our heads that this is [TS]

  Tim Cook thing because it really only makes sense I think it makes perfect [TS]

  sense if you're staring at the spreadsheet of component costs and [TS]

  profit margins and the combine that with a projection of how a 1664 128 spread [TS]

  would push X number of people to get 64 instead of the lower price model than in [TS]

  a 32 64 128 scenario from a spreadsheet perspective it makes perfect sense I [TS]

  completely understand every aspect of it but in every other way it is to me it's [TS]

  a boneheaded mistakes the same guy going on all the talk shows and TV stations [TS]

  and talking about how Apple doesn't do moves that a short term is dragging for [TS]

  short-term stock market game its long-term thing you're never sorry [TS]

  saying all the right things but like this make steaks and they said we're [TS]

  talking about this [TS]

  this decision to go with the 1664 12 in it like this decision was made a long [TS]

  time ago and I think by now when they're having meetings about like I said [TS]

  adoption and storage space stuff like that like hopefully they're going to [TS]

  correct or like they're not perfect and make mistakes I think they may be just [TS]

  miscalculated like they were they were dazzled by all the things that you [TS]

  mentioned like to look at how we can push people to Priceline and it's like [TS]

  an exchange like do we think there a downside to the 16 and they were able to [TS]

  convince themselves of the downsides weren't that big of a deal but like that [TS]

  still selling sixteens and still sign a five with no way for developers to [TS]

  excluded I think the meetings they're having now hopefully they're discussing [TS]

  these things and saying going forward for the next set of things let's not [TS]

  make this particular mistake again [TS]

  let's let's remedy is like there's a big lag time in this type of thing you know [TS]

  again when an account with the that that same range of the iPads in the same [TS]

  range as they can learn that lesson between like no I felt like it's just [TS]

  you know there is a long turnaround time this and I'm hoping that if this is not [TS]

  like you know like them being duplicitous about the philosophy but [TS]

  merely mistakes they will correct going forward I hope so because my fear is if [TS]

  they don't go to 32 next year then they're already going to be too late [TS]

  with 32 and when they do go to 32 its already gonna be the 32 is too little [TS]

  and nothing is it it's on them to get this right because they're they're the [TS]

  company that does not add a nasty card slot there you know iOS devices right [TS]

  now they really and you can't upgraded and so like they really need they really [TS]

  do this right and they're doing things like making cameras that shoot 1080p [TS]

  video really credible 1080p video really good like you're not going to regret [TS]

  that you know the sense this is your footage of your son's first birthday [TS]

  you know the time lapse and burst mode like so many ways you can fill up that [TS]

  start and up and up to 41 megapixel panoramic images which is great but [TS]

  which are huge like count just yeah I remember this was the most recent [TS]

  episode of the one before but it's it's like that and you mentioned it when [TS]

  you're talking about how like you this is the type of device for you have to [TS]

  give caveat we tell people about it it's like all of us told people who want to [TS]

  buy Macs back when I first becoming popular we just always tell them back in [TS]

  the day like you can go get a PowerBook a really awesome make sure you upgrade [TS]

  the RAM this i really don't like trust me by default it comes to an amount of [TS]

  RAM that is ridiculous no end and we also use third party ramp that leads to [TS]

  charge you a ton for it like those stupid cavities tell you how many years [TS]

  to be spending telling people upgrade the RAM don't buy apples ran by [TS]

  third-party it added a complication in the caveat to a recommendation that made [TS]

  its carrier for people and now that that type of thing is creeping back and we're [TS]

  like don't tell by the 16th you're gonna regret it if you're asking me advice on [TS]

  which one you should buy you're the type of person not by the 16 trust me save [TS]

  money for a couple more months and get the you know 64 yeah I just [TS]

  can't I don't know it just irks me that there's and it doesn't bother me quite [TS]

  as much that like the lower end models that the old type you know iPad minis [TS]

  are 16 but it really irks me that the new top of the line one starts at [TS]

  sixteen yeah like this no this is an unsafe model to buy in the flagship [TS]

  iPhone sex right like people who are on the go spend $299 on their iPad are kind [TS]

  of I'm sure going into it with eyes wide open that they know they're not getting [TS]

  the best and that there you know that there's gonna be some limit where [TS]

  anybody buying a new iPad air too I think that they should feel confident [TS]

  that no matter which one they get that it's it's a good it's no good better [TS]

  best and and RAM is the same thing like when they used to sell Mac files with [TS]

  two little rounds that you're only hurting your own image because there was [TS]

  nothing worse than a Mac with spinning disk into little RAM [TS]

  just didn't get better memory compression MS depress the only bump [TS]

  that actually made like the brand you said you get better right but every [TS]

  other thing like three OS versions from now that RAM is going to be at least you [TS]

  could upgrade the RAM to start soldering on Wednesday did starts out and I was [TS]

  glad they bumped everybody up to 16 minimum and everything like they're [TS]

  probably getting on the ball on that but now they just dropped the ball so it's [TS]

  like I've been writing that it's it's like a brand thing and it's you can't [TS]

  measure that on a spreadsheet but the RAM thing with Max 90 180 PU said like [TS]

  four four megabytes of RAM which shows how old the problem I remember one for [TS]

  four megabytes of RAM was the baseline and it was years past word and everybody [TS]

  else in the industry had gone to like 16 but I think even to this day all the way [TS]

  from that Europe when when they were selling max with only four megabytes [TS]

  megabytes of RAM to today that helped fuel the image that so many people have [TS]

  that Apple price gouges people because everybody was told you have to upgrade [TS]

  the RAM and don't mind perhaps don't buy from Apple go two crucial or you know [TS]

  somebody like that and then get someone to install it on search for you and feel [TS]

  like you're breaking your brand new machine because you'd have to do this [TS]

  thing [TS]

  a snap you know it never felt good but when you go and you say like go to [TS]

  crucial crucial has great random Google some reviews and everybody would say yet [TS]

  crucial sells high-quality ram this is this good dinner good memory chips and [TS]

  then you see that you were saving $600 versus what Apple will charge you for [TS]

  the same manner as and it's actually it was actually true that Apple was [TS]

  price-gouging you did you know that Apple gets better prices on the ramp you [TS]

  do or that crucial does and then they win they will be kind of jokes about [TS]

  every like they wouldn't service your machine and third-party ramen in all [TS]

  sorts of crap like that remember those days ya you taken in and they would you [TS]

  would have to you yourself would have to take out your third party RAM and hide [TS]

  it from the right keep it at your desk and antistatic sleeve or something like [TS]

  that and I guess if you replaced all of the RAM I guess you have to let go and [TS]

  find your old apple chips that you replaced and put them back in now and [TS]

  yeah this is not just not a good product experience it shouldn't be like that and [TS]

  like they anything like that just you never wanna sell somebody something that [TS]

  you know three years from now they're gonna hate you for buying [TS]

  you know three years from now they're gonna hate you for buying [TS]

  you should not the base model accord should not have trouble accelerating up [TS]

  until you know may not go anywhere near as fast as the tricked-out high-end [TS]

  model but it still you shouldn't have trouble with common things like driving [TS]

  up the hill to some some baseline level and you don't skimp on things like that [TS]

  especially that a weird an esoteric and let you know as someone who knows a [TS]

  technology again especially with spring discounts such a dramatic effect on [TS]

  performance there is nothing worse than earlier versions of OS 10 swapping it [TS]

  was just nothing it was just it was your performance and go off a giant cliff and [TS]

  there is nothing you can do about it he told people I could just run one [TS]

  application time work with more acid was just like this is not the way it should [TS]

  work and obviously you can't give all the rim of the world every machine but [TS]

  the rest of the industry would slowly march up the minimum and apple with [TS]

  stubbornly stayed at whatever number they decided with the correct number [TS]

  forty years fast when they should yeah and it's it's less excusable now than [TS]

  ever cuz you know that they're getting the economies of scale and that they can [TS]

  get the best prices using the same components I have to get special RAM for [TS]

  their special para pc chips or anything you know right I like you even mentioned [TS]

  it on a TV that there is a story that Apple's consuming like 50 percent of the [TS]

  world's SSD storage 25% of the nanner it was whatever it is but it's it I'm sure [TS]

  that's true and it's impressive but it doesn't you know they're not just buying [TS]

  it in an open market it's not like they're going and they are they're huge [TS]

  input into that they may influence the market they're planning ahead of time [TS]

  for like they'll do know is a few billion dollars build a factory goods [TS]

  we're going to ask you to buy the stuff for us and you'll slowly pay off what we [TS]

  long for the fax like that's that's the way they do all their stuff right so if [TS]

  they wanted to tell people a year ago [TS]

  hey we want to buy X million 32 gigabyte chips because that's what they were [TS]

  gonna put in the iPad there too they could happen every every 16 every 16 [TS]

  gigabyte ship that they have could be a 32 gigabyte one if they had wanted it to [TS]

  be or maybe like two years ago when are you gonna lead time to like you know [TS]

  tooling intractable like it but Apple to begin that type of thing Apple is in the [TS]

  position to that they do it all the time [TS]

  they will they will pay for the people to build the capacity of they're going [TS]

  to use to build their projects and get the money back into his probably did it [TS]

  with Taiwan Semiconductor do do de da da I'm sure [TS]

  paying billions and billions of dollars to to make that happen [TS]

  yeah I think that a lot of these decisions are made two years in advance [TS]

  but I think if they wanted to go [TS]

  16 to 32 baseline that's the type of change they could make a little bit not [TS]

  that far away just like the Android phones right a lot of Android phones [TS]

  sell a lot of them sell you know this much flash in the night again you know I [TS]

  just counted the sd-card slot area like that it's not so far outside the realm [TS]

  of anything would be outside the realm would be like these crazy super an iMac [TS]

  display there probably in short supply in that one you really can't say look [TS]

  you know how much you pay which is barely able to make peace now but 1632 [TS]

  that is old tack and return shipping with it for years and your smartphone so [TS]

  within reach [TS]

  yeah alright let's call it a show anybody I can't imagine that there's [TS]

  anybody who will listen to this episode who has already read your review but if [TS]

  if are pretending to read it or pretended to read it but if you haven't [TS]

  you should you can do it the right way the right way is to read on the website [TS]

  as the canonical version but I bought a copy for iBooks anyway because I wanted [TS]

  it to be a best-seller yeah you got a long way to go to make up for how many [TS]

  shirts I bought a bunch of cheap man is a $30 for one of these books for the [TS]

  whole family Christmas gift that is right [TS]

  don't don't use family showing just buy a copy for everybody get a lot of it [TS]

  always a pleasure I don't know it's funny because now we have a mini [TS]

  tradition of of you coming on after your your you never asked me on any other [TS]

  times and now you're gonna have to actually think of some of the reasons [TS]

  I'm gonna have to think of another reason you should have to argue with you [TS]

  about filing extensions [TS]

  whether we wouldn't have an argument would we now but I would I felt like [TS]

  that was a case where I heard you were on my side of the debate and I felt like [TS]

  I could have done a better job yeah that foreigner [TS]

  yeah any kind we get into an argument about metadata I'm going to word it far [TS]

  less eloquently as you there are some strong arguments deployed anyway I'll be [TS]

  on the cutting edge over sometime we'll have it out that's what you get when [TS]

  you're from Canada [TS]