The Talk Show

98: ‘Far Less Eloquent as You’, With John Siracusa


00:00:00   fashionably late as always it's pretty good for me it's because you guys do the [TS]

00:00:10   live staying on a TPC you've got to be on time people are in there in refresh [TS]

00:00:14   on their website that's not why around time why you want self respect standards [TS]

00:00:26   discuss people you're a person who is representing for us here you go into Las [TS]

00:00:33   Vegas Motor happen but there's sort of a West Coast personality trait to discuss [TS]

00:00:40   move which is also your move is like nine o'clock rolls around or over time [TS]

00:00:45   were doing and you realize oh I forgot about that and you immediately petition [TS]

00:00:49   for his teammate delay and then you have a five minute delay after the 15 minute [TS]

00:00:53   you sound like you're in a good mood [TS]

00:01:03   sure sure why not week so I finished listening to now probably an episode [TS]

00:01:12   behind those you guys probably recorded last night for context we are we are [TS]

00:01:16   recording right now it's Thursday October 23rd you guys probably did in [TS]

00:01:21   ATP last night but it's not out yet so I might be biased but I did listen to last [TS]

00:01:25   week's show you talked about 70 review we talk more about it yesterday and [TS]

00:01:30   yesterday's episode as well so well I'll try not to venture into duplicating the [TS]

00:01:37   same story territory in 20 min say you know what I want to do you know some [TS]

00:01:42   people time says things like the thing with all podcasts and you know this is [TS]

00:01:48   kind of like it's like a first draft of your thoughts are and you just kind of [TS]

00:01:52   on the spot and you start thinking about it and you start talking about it you [TS]

00:01:56   know I do I can I ramble in Psych given time to think about that like I think I [TS]

00:02:00   could say that again [TS]

00:02:01   better and then obviously the ultimate as you like to write it I can actually [TS]

00:02:05   figure out what they really think but just so you know anyway [TS]

00:02:08   duplication I don't mind [TS]

00:02:10   give me a second chance to get it right totally in in a big picture was thinking [TS]

00:02:16   about this I don't know why because I guess it's it's just the way you human [TS]

00:02:19   mind works but somehow ten-point 10 feels like a milestone in like 10 even [TS]

00:02:24   though it's not you know actually the 11th major version and it's the 12th I [TS]

00:02:30   guess that you've reviewed because you did the public beta how many how many [TS]

00:02:33   Mac OS 10 reviews so I did Developer Preview to develop preview 3 developer [TS]

00:02:39   preview for public beta and and all the release is in there was also one or two [TS]

00:02:43   thrown in there that weren't really reviews they were just like random like [TS]

00:02:46   head just went to Macworld and here's some more stuff you might want to know [TS]

00:02:49   about aqua you know but if you want to go by the releases started ep 22 yeah [TS]

00:02:55   and I can't remember what I think I played with the BMW right up so I'm [TS]

00:03:02   thinking about this and you mention this on ATP any money online but there's a [TS]

00:03:05   chance you're thinking that maybe this last one just published last week maybe [TS]

00:03:09   last when you gonna do you do next year's yeah you know we can get into [TS]

00:03:15   that a little bit later but I just thinking in and nice even round 10 I do [TS]

00:03:20   think podcasts in general in you having been doing one regularly either ATP or [TS]

00:03:27   choke on critical it seems like forever but it's not like wendover critical [TS]

00:03:39   stern I think like twenty eleven years but to me there's this huge difference [TS]

00:03:46   as you know I knew when I got to know each other you know when we first [TS]

00:03:49   started emailing goes a long time before a match but we are at least as email [TS]

00:03:53   before down fireball started working at you're still working out some of the [TS]

00:03:57   story and ATP you gave me my first Campillo BBEdit or whatever the current [TS]

00:04:03   version without them like it previously had commenced work to buy it from my [TS]

00:04:06   work but you work to bare bones is a free copy of yet [TS]

00:04:11   no wonder I lasted their school is giving away the Surefire customers yeah [TS]

00:04:21   i dont no we have we've known each other since before there is even during [TS]

00:04:23   fireball and and it's you know our interests are are are common first name [TS]

00:04:31   aren't you know the fact that we're thinking exactly the same age even 1973 [TS]

00:04:36   I don't look old but I feel like the universe was dead was destined for us to [TS]

00:04:45   know each other somehow like it just seems like it seems like no matter what [TS]

00:04:49   you know how the days of enrolled somewhere you know in the intervening [TS]

00:04:53   years we're going to get to know each other through the small world back then [TS]

00:04:57   like the Mac nerds on the web it was just like it was very well using IE five [TS]

00:05:02   and experimenting with CSS and reading zelman and like an apple doesn't go out [TS]

00:05:08   of business and before that we're all read and you know we could you talked [TS]

00:05:11   about last night cast and Mac user macworld like it was such a small world [TS]

00:05:16   like if we don't if we both got the same Macworld Conference of Bollywood have [TS]

00:05:20   bumped into that's almost certain it was it was they were small back then it was [TS]

00:05:25   you know you would inevitably meet everybody you wouldn't have that yeah [TS]

00:05:29   you did you see the same people year after year it's not like to be deputy [TS]

00:05:32   see where it now it's like so crazy and you go and it takes some of your best [TS]

00:05:37   friends you don't even see them here like hadn't even even run into someone [TS]

00:05:40   so and it's just a very different but as someone who's always been a huge fan of [TS]

00:05:48   your work at ours these these massive book-length reviews it's such a profound [TS]

00:05:53   change now that your podcasting because they used to be that John Syracuse says [TS]

00:06:00   as a brand was something you got sporadically almost like on an annual [TS]

00:06:06   schedule yet to wait a year in between but when you did it would be like a [TS]

00:06:10   massive mainline doze [TS]

00:06:12   how different it is now that you have a weekly outlet and we all get plenty of [TS]

00:06:19   John it's so different it's hard to imagine going back to that I had for a [TS]

00:06:27   while and ours when they're doing like staff blogs or whatever there was a [TS]

00:06:30   period and I'm always surprised when I go back and look at it like there was a [TS]

00:06:33   period where I was blogging if you want to call it that pretty regularly on the [TS]

00:06:38   staff blogs like I'm amazed at the number of things I wrote there I forget [TS]

00:06:41   what I even relate it's like you know it's not that the volume that you put [TS]

00:06:44   out a regular basis but you know how it is but you can't remember what the hell [TS]

00:06:47   you wrote and I of course I remember all my reviews caused a big punctuated [TS]

00:06:52   things and there's a few special stories in between there and retrospectives and [TS]

00:06:55   I did like a game review and all sorts of crap you know but I can remember [TS]

00:06:58   those but then there was just like at one point I was doing one or two pagers [TS]

00:07:02   every couple of weeks for ours and I look back on that body work and I am [TS]

00:07:07   happy with an ad like it is just like it was never there was there was no [TS]

00:07:12   official or foul it wasn't what I do now it's just sort of ramble on a weekly [TS]

00:07:16   basis we're just off the cuff or whatever it certainly wasn't the big [TS]

00:07:20   long lead-up to a giant [TS]

00:07:21   you know review it was kind of in between he and I guess podcasting is [TS]

00:07:26   totally filled that role now because i dont have you know Twitter and plus [TS]

00:07:30   podcasting have destroyed my ability to block not that I had much of an ability [TS]

00:07:34   to do it to begin with but I may get back into it [TS]

00:07:37   views and I'm not sure you're meant for it I don't know I feel like you've found [TS]

00:07:43   your thing that is more it's it's like I always say that to me and everything in [TS]

00:07:49   life in general rule it's the extremes where things are most interesting to me [TS]

00:07:54   like a daring fireball the best posts are mailinglist 12 I think of just one [TS]

00:07:58   word dad or two words you know good luck with that or something like that or the [TS]

00:08:04   big long one thousand multi thousand-word its when I have a post [TS]

00:08:09   that like [TS]

00:08:11   300 words then I know I'm in trouble that i've you know either should be able [TS]

00:08:16   to make this point much more succinctly or being lazy and I need to go deeper [TS]

00:08:20   and I feel like with you it's you know you've found your your your I'm not [TS]

00:08:27   going to spend a lot of time on this poor man it podcasting [TS]

00:08:31   you'd like to spend all the time was just five more like less prepared it's [TS]

00:08:35   like more more thinking out loud and you know going back and forth on the blog [TS]

00:08:39   format like if I didn't have an actual their regular day job took my time I [TS]

00:08:43   think the thing I like about that is not so much that any individual posts [TS]

00:08:47   anything special but you sort of build up a body of work with like little [TS]

00:08:51   reference points like a very frequently I find myself thinking back to you know [TS]

00:08:56   I wish I had something that I could point to about this and podcasting as [TS]

00:09:01   you know it's harder to like it's hard to ask people to go go back to this [TS]

00:09:05   thing and I get to give them a time stamping out to look up and find out [TS]

00:09:08   where everything is well as I can just point to a blog post I talked about this [TS]

00:09:11   specific issue in a one pager and you can get my take on it there and [TS]

00:09:15   individual one pagers not a big deal 12 pages but you know I have few of them on [TS]

00:09:20   hypercritical echo I i refer to them frequently and a lot of times I wish the [TS]

00:09:24   things I had said and worked out on the podcast let me do the same thing as far [TS]

00:09:27   as Marco the pentium either write about it for us and talk about a podcast talk [TS]

00:09:32   about enforcing that becomes a post your website and I find it frustrating that I [TS]

00:09:38   can't point like the podcast or so invisible like they're they're femoral [TS]

00:09:43   and you can't like a point people into the mood seems like asking more than [TS]

00:09:46   just having them read a paragraph or two on a web page that you send them so I do [TS]

00:09:51   wish I had more time to blog is available I don't like I'm not forcing [TS]

00:09:56   myself to do it or whatever but I think a lot of the reason that you know this [TS]

00:10:01   kind of weather blog terrible offense that the arizona racist are coming out [TS]

00:10:04   yearly at first it was like they would just be quiet period where I wouldn't [TS]

00:10:08   write anything but I'm just doing a review in a quiet period expanded to [TS]

00:10:11   fill the whole year and so it's like well I guess on doing [TS]

00:10:14   Twitter and worry about writing reviews yea well said how do you have any word [TS]

00:10:26   was your your review has to this last is like the same about post as you follow [TS]

00:10:33   me on Twitter it's like this I think this was last year I can look at the [TS]

00:10:37   number its like 26 K 27 case I'm like that is that a hypocritical yeah as I [TS]

00:10:44   dot Coco com guy wants too much money do we get for the best but we got the taiko [TS]

00:10:52   somehow it read like somehow this top-level domains are such a weird thing [TS]

00:10:58   because the whole thing is so gross and never should have been exposed to end [TS]

00:11:02   users anyway [TS]

00:11:03   filename extensions but they've become part of the world we live in [TS]

00:11:10   dot com is just invisible right at somebody has whatever dot com and you [TS]

00:11:15   just it's like the the nothing to me even though getting a dot com is [TS]

00:11:19   incredible [TS]

00:11:20   difficult cuz everything and everything was taken by the end of the nineties in [TS]

00:11:24   the intervening years something about . Co which is people who don't know it's [TS]

00:11:29   the nation columbia's top-level domain it reads like dot com and I you notice [TS]

00:11:36   it how is not always you know but it has that same effect of like you just [TS]

00:11:41   accepted that's why I can't even remember that hypocritical guilty it's [TS]

00:11:45   kind of like a in our web 2.0 we like Flickr really bossy are kind of like [TS]

00:11:50   comedy Bosque am kind of twee sort of precious merger mania really I just got [TS]

00:11:57   it because you know their extensions far worse [TS]

00:12:03   died us' you know . business but plumbing whatever they're so bad I just [TS]

00:12:10   can't believe some of those anyway if you went to the site you'll see it at [TS]

00:12:16   this it's my like the format of Denver the past three years it's like a [TS]

00:12:19   template and I just changed numbers like mad libs and at the bottom of steps so [TS]

00:12:23   27,000 word what's the I think that it's like the average size of a novel is [TS]

00:12:30   somewhere around sixty thousand words so it's truly book length and the weird [TS]

00:12:37   thing to me is that they have you settled in around this 2527 case size [TS]

00:12:42   for the past like three or four not through any time just over to my own [TS]

00:12:45   business that's how it worked out you know it's you know like that about how [TS]

00:12:49   much work they can do on an annual basis on Mac OS 10 and it's more like that's [TS]

00:12:56   how much I feel like I can or should write because there's more I could write [TS]

00:13:00   about it every time I always ran outta time and I would like to hold giant [TS]

00:13:04   sections but I was like I prioritize them I said well yeah I'm interested in [TS]

00:13:09   that and I think I could write another few thousand words about it but would [TS]

00:13:13   devalue it adds to the review and the interested as you be worth the time I [TS]

00:13:17   put in you know and how much time I got schedule is because we only have so much [TS]

00:13:21   time to it it still kind of compresses at the end there's only so much you can [TS]

00:13:25   write about when things don't work and they're in the broken in a bit and Apple [TS]

00:13:28   has made final decisions he got a you know the final bit up to come down and [TS]

00:13:31   then you have to scramble [TS]

00:13:34   so if we added them all together and I know that the sizes are different for [TS]

00:13:44   some of the old ones but it's it's about 15 reviews a different talking to the [TS]

00:13:49   11th number version and you did said you did D P two D P 34 so it's fourteen or [TS]

00:13:54   fifteen it's an enormous body of work and really truly is and I know that it's [TS]

00:14:00   not one single piece of war that if you read them all back to back there's some [TS]

00:14:04   sort of repetition that would be going on because they follow a certain formula [TS]

00:14:09   but I do think I think it's such as it's such an interesting testimony to have [TS]

00:14:15   like twenty years from now and take over that they'll be out there for them to to [TS]

00:14:21   look at and remember you know where things are that's what I hope people [TS]

00:14:26   like to thank for young people give it to him they already done to hear about a [TS]

00:14:30   look back on our great works and tremble and how often would we refer to a [TS]

00:14:35   similarly detailed review of the system to from 1985 you know the Apple to [TS]

00:14:41   anything like that are you know somewhere somebody would need it I think [TS]

00:14:46   this bill for me those of ever go back and look at those levels they just cant [TS]

00:14:50   standard just like it's terrible I hope you feel the same way but I really [TS]

00:14:54   writing I'm like holy cow this has been like she's always like I guess I knew I [TS]

00:14:59   liked it was it was certainly more casual back then and I was aware US [TS]

00:15:02   Ryder and the combination of the two is just and really I don't know like you [TS]

00:15:08   didn't know what was important than one was in the things I focused on it just [TS]

00:15:11   seemed inane have a lot of difficult that a lot of people are going to go [TS]

00:15:15   back and collect all these together into one big thing the most painful part of [TS]

00:15:18   it would be that if I was to do that and you start reading you start reading and [TS]

00:15:22   stuff are in 1999 think is not good just not good [TS]

00:15:27   I mean I hope I we feel that way I kind of you know I kind of feel like you know [TS]

00:15:33   he gets to get to a certain point and I just think everything alright described [TS]

00:15:36   as soon as I write it and you know I just make as good as they can in the [TS]

00:15:39   time allotted to move on but it's like programming like if i dont have a look [TS]

00:15:42   back at the code I'm writing this year like 10 years from now I don't look back [TS]

00:15:45   at the GoToMeeting this year and think it sucks I have done I can totally see [TS]

00:15:48   that I look back I did learn this and there's a get it wrong [TS]

00:15:56   think it was one of the great titans of modern computer science see their [TS]

00:16:02   current again or rich you're one of those Bell Labs guys who said something [TS]

00:16:05   about the debugging is twice as hard as programming and so if you write code as [TS]

00:16:12   cleverly as you possibly can [TS]

00:16:15   you'll never be able to debug it because you need you need an intellect twice as [TS]

00:16:19   great you need you need to write your own code like a half wit so that when [TS]

00:16:24   you do by guitar when you ride for me personally when I return to it that I [TS]

00:16:28   can understand what the hell's going on I know that saying I understand the [TS]

00:16:33   sentiment behind it but the logic in the same makes no sense and it's mostly BS [TS]

00:16:36   and the details but in broad strokes trying to say the idea is that you know [TS]

00:16:41   later you'll come back to your own code and not understand it and that is [TS]

00:16:45   entirely true and so what he's trying to say is to mitigate that don't try to go [TS]

00:16:50   make your life harder by doing things that are difficult to understand even [TS]

00:16:54   now when you're in the midst of totally informed my use of comments is my [TS]

00:17:00   comment I used to clear of course cuz I was a teenager and early twenties and so [TS]

00:17:08   of course I didn't want to write any comments at all and I only did it [TS]

00:17:11   because when I might see as professors had to view comments are automatically [TS]

00:17:18   lose like 10 points [TS]

00:17:20   so I just commenter stupid you know the the smartest teenagers comments [TS]

00:17:27   restating logic of his life had one done exactly where as the light that went on [TS]

00:17:35   even I don't write much code anymore but the light down on eventually was [TS]

00:17:40   comments are like time travel you're talking to your future self who is [TS]

00:17:45   utterly confused as to why you would do this seeming there's this doesn't seem [TS]

00:17:50   like it's necessary to tell your future self here's why you're doing it why you [TS]

00:17:54   want to keep it and it's made my code at least for my own self maintenance it [TS]

00:17:59   made it all the difference in the world [TS]

00:18:00   yeah there's a couple days like the early phase several things I don't need [TS]

00:18:05   comments cuz I'm writing this now and I understand or not is that in the future [TS]

00:18:08   in the second phase is realizing that's not the case and you start trying to [TS]

00:18:11   come to be known about it could come in sorry and I think the third phase is [TS]

00:18:15   finally realizing that if you write the code in a sensible way you only need [TS]

00:18:19   comments on the tricky part you should minimize that and when you do need to [TS]

00:18:22   comment on the tricky part you know how to write it in a way that will be [TS]

00:18:26   illuminating rather than either the tricky part where you're doing something [TS]

00:18:30   pretty clever and that it's you know a month goes by it's gonna be out of your [TS]

00:18:34   head how you pull that off cos you're in the zone or for me a lot of times it's [TS]

00:18:38   the you're working around something stupid and the workaround makes if you [TS]

00:18:43   didn't know about the stupid thing that work around looks like it's what gets us [TS]

00:18:47   why would you ever do this is done just you know don't do that and running for [TS]

00:18:53   your future self easier than running for other people in your organization where [TS]

00:18:56   your programming has lots of other programmers at the very least when [TS]

00:18:59   you're ready for yourself you can you you can retrace your steps and you will [TS]

00:19:03   arrive at the same conclusion again but other people don't do that because they [TS]

00:19:07   react differently to the same stimulus basically so far other people were you [TS]

00:19:12   trying to do is you have to put the wise but also like what is the broader [TS]

00:19:16   context as whole thing what is even going on here are there any assumptions [TS]

00:19:20   that are understated because you assume there [TS]

00:19:22   their obvious to everybody but won't be obvious to someone new year from now [TS]

00:19:26   yeah there's like writing comment is basically just basically writing like [TS]

00:19:30   it's the same you have to communicate to people in plain language but they reduce [TS]

00:19:33   ambiguity like two different to different goals different purposes [TS]

00:19:36   different audience but it is writing and that's why programmers are so bad at it [TS]

00:19:39   because their skill sets tend to not cluster frequently per people who are [TS]

00:19:43   happy and comfortable programming are not happy and comfortable writing prose [TS]

00:19:46   yeah I guess it's true that a lot of times and I know I know where the where [TS]

00:19:54   the intersection of the blaze the programmers who who are good writer like [TS]

00:20:00   brett Arends a great example rich so yeah i know i know i mean do we all need [TS]

00:20:04   to read their blog is another great example man when he doesn't write much [TS]

00:20:09   but when he does it is so sick cent and to the point and it's it's exquisite [TS]

00:20:15   like I I often refer back I have a copy of the BBEdit to point to manual the [TS]

00:20:21   first public version of BB at it and it's just like a model of clarity is [TS]

00:20:28   such a good piece of technical writing did he write that 10 parts in there goes [TS]

00:20:34   the couple of other credits but there's a little what would you call blog post [TS]

00:20:40   now it's sort of like why does BBEdit exist whyyy on the Mac would you wanna [TS]

00:20:46   programmers text editor who would ever wanted it more than 32 Kb [TS]

00:20:51   it's more of its more like a personal mission statement for BB it and it's [TS]

00:20:59   just terrific I said actually see if he'd let me see if I can re-run it or [TS]

00:21:05   something I think it'd be an interesting especially now that be at 11 so maybe I [TS]

00:21:08   should see about getting in on the internet as I think it stands up lo [TS]

00:21:14   these many operating systems later he writes if you met him you can't help but [TS]

00:21:23   read it because they're such a percent the mannerisms and the pacing the way he [TS]

00:21:28   would say those things that comes through [TS]

00:21:30   I just saw somebody tweet tweet the other day at a time it was to both me [TS]

00:21:35   and you but to a couple of this where they relate now that we all have podcast [TS]

00:21:38   they can't help but read everything we right in our own voices and I was here [TS]

00:21:42   that and and I it's kind of nice was it means a lot of our pockets but also kind [TS]

00:21:47   of cringe because I can't do writing is very good to be better at the house but [TS]

00:21:51   i wanna way smarter when I write because I got all this runaway and I could you [TS]

00:21:54   know speaking who knows what the hell comes out but writing I got my chance [TS]

00:21:59   right and so it's almost a shame that they know you know stumbling it's that [TS]

00:22:03   are behind the words like riding a secret weapon I got all the time in the [TS]

00:22:06   world to figure out where this is going to be and is no wasted words in those [TS]

00:22:10   stupid idealism and obviously again with longer views at a certain point it's [TS]

00:22:14   gotta be like that that's that's the thing about this phone reviews all the [TS]

00:22:17   stuff like early on and still to this day of MIS 10 reviews I'm a slave to [TS]

00:22:23   getting out whatever idea it is in my head I have a point to make something to [TS]

00:22:29   say about something and I have like 17 points to make and 17 things to say [TS]

00:22:33   about it I want to get them all out and I sacrifice the quality of the writing [TS]

00:22:37   many times because I'm like this this could be said more elegantly in a [TS]

00:22:42   different way but it wouldn't have this one extra little bit of new on tonight I [TS]

00:22:46   talk to myself like what do you care that one like this point is sufficient [TS]

00:22:50   you don't need to go into this other details like no I wanted and so I make [TS]

00:22:53   some awkward sense and I put that other point in there and it's why I hate [TS]

00:22:58   myself for doing it but a lot of times it's like an overriding thing is say [TS]

00:23:03   what I want to say and secondarily try to say it in a reasonable way and that's [TS]

00:23:07   not just another way to make good writing but that's a lot of times when I [TS]

00:23:10   do my last interview [TS]

00:23:11   let's take a break I'm going to thank our first sponsor back for a second time [TS]

00:23:18   it's a good friends at Casper I get my member from [TS]

00:23:23   it was the one with Chuck Berry but caspar was a sponsor and had a great [TS]

00:23:29   response craziest idea i i when I first heard this crazy state in Orem it you go [TS]

00:23:35   online at high quality mattresses [TS]

00:23:38   you put on your been really really good prices [TS]

00:23:42   seems like a crazy thing to buy on the internet but in terms [TS]

00:23:45   eventually we're gonna buy everything on the internet looking to buy cars on the [TS]

00:23:48   internet you go there they have it it's two technologies they call it just the [TS]

00:23:54   right thing just the right balance it's two different technologies latex phone [TS]

00:23:58   and memory that they put together a special combination that they've done [TS]

00:24:04   just right you don't have to sit there there's not a whole bunch of different [TS]

00:24:07   things you have to choose from [TS]

00:24:08   they they did it for us there in the mattress experts they've designed a [TS]

00:24:12   really good mattress I've had regular I've tried and tried to regular memory [TS]

00:24:18   foam mattress before a knife fight random way to like the way that they [TS]

00:24:22   they make an indentation perfect for your body it feels like I'm making a [TS]

00:24:26   crime scene or something [TS]

00:24:28   their mattresses in like that always just enough that memory stuff that it's [TS]

00:24:31   comfortable but it doesn't you don't feel like you're sinking into it it's [TS]

00:24:36   it's crazy did you get one of these John Deere did was it casey you got a free [TS]

00:24:41   case ago we were thinking of getting one just because we know so they sent me one [TS]

00:24:46   is really do in this country show they send one and it so how does a mattress [TS]

00:24:49   show up well it shows up in like a little dorm room fridge style box very [TS]

00:24:55   small you can't believe it but it's because it's like to kind of phone they [TS]

00:24:59   like vacuum sealed the mattress and it ships in what is still decidedly a very [TS]

00:25:04   large package it is way smaller than a a mattress so put it in the room here [TS]

00:25:12   gotta sleep in it then open the box they've got instructions that tell you [TS]

00:25:16   exactly how to do it and let it expand [TS]

00:25:19   but it works it is absolutely amazing it works it feels a great mattress I really [TS]

00:25:24   liked it and the prices are so much less than the prices you pay for mattresses [TS]

00:25:31   in the real world it's ridiculous because the whole mattress industry is [TS]

00:25:36   it's just that it's just like the word partner story all over again where it's [TS]

00:25:39   like like a cartel that controls the whole industry they deliberately make it [TS]

00:25:45   very very difficult to comparison shop cross stores because each store even if [TS]

00:25:50   its from the same brand like sealy [TS]

00:25:52   havoc six different Seeley's the next door you go to has six different [TS]

00:25:55   ceilings and they all have different names even though they're technically [TS]

00:25:58   the same mattress because they do this to make it really hard for you to [TS]

00:26:01   comparison shop and know whether you're paying a good price [TS]

00:26:04   casper cuts out all that crap and just so you great mattresses good price [TS]

00:26:10   typical price for a new mattress is well over 1500 bucks casper mattresses cost [TS]

00:26:15   between five hundred thats the twin size and 954 a king size mattress 950 bucks [TS]

00:26:22   under $1000 for a top tier mattress you save hundreds and hundreds of dollars [TS]

00:26:27   and it's completely risk-free they have free delivery and returns within a [TS]

00:26:33   hundred day period so three months to sleep on the thing and if you don't like [TS]

00:26:38   it they'll pay to send it back no idea how that works I kept mine quite sure [TS]

00:26:45   how old is sending the full size mattress works but they take care of it [TS]

00:26:49   for you and I believe it risk-free own last point one of me died in this is [TS]

00:26:56   great [TS]

00:26:57   made in America made america mattresses so where do you go to find out more [TS]

00:27:02   apparently a whole bunch of guys bomb addresses the last time sponsorship ran [TS]

00:27:05   toll encouraged you need a new mattress check them out [TS]

00:27:08   go to www.cancer.org or sleep dot com casper sleep dot com [TS]

00:27:17   / talk show I use that code that talk show code and you will save 50 bucks off [TS]

00:27:26   their already low prices on any matters that you buy so you'll save an extra 50 [TS]

00:27:30   bucks and they're going to donate 50 bucks to a charity of my choice and [TS]

00:27:36   that's how do the same charity I did the last time the food allergy and fights at [TS]

00:27:42   work that my son and wife raised a lot of money for food allergies or get great [TS]

00:27:49   charity that's all on them [TS]

00:27:51   great mattresses go check them out at Casper sleep dot com slash talk-show [TS]

00:27:56   mattresses on the internet what the hell next year and also are a team already [TS]

00:28:04   buying cars yeah I guess you can buy new cars I think so [TS]

00:28:11   speaking a big box as shown up my arm action of today so I started i [TS]

00:28:16   pre-ordered it [TS]

00:28:17   day one so must have been a week ago of course I gotta build order and it said [TS]

00:28:24   three to five days and had a target ship date of October 24th to 28th and I think [TS]

00:28:32   it was a wide range because it was over a weekend I did like 30 bucks for [TS]

00:28:37   expedited shipping so I checked last night before I went to bed and it said [TS]

00:28:42   you know I got a notice that my iMac was ready and it was in China and then at [TS]

00:28:48   ten o'clock in the morning today my doorbell rang and it was here so from [TS]

00:28:53   what I went to bed last night it was in China and it and I am it was at my door [TS]

00:28:56   which is crazy magic of air traffic can't help but think that when they told [TS]

00:29:02   me it was in China it was already really over the pacific but still it's kind of [TS]

00:29:06   a kind of a standard and a lot of people may get their pictures of their boxes [TS]

00:29:12   arriving so first batch came quickly [TS]

00:29:16   everybody wants to know i guess i talked about here's a review eventually but i [TS]

00:29:23   dont by Max real and then you even mentioned it on ATP like I just just now [TS]

00:29:28   replaced 2008 MacBook Pro that I'd upgraded to an SSD at some point which [TS]

00:29:34   couple more years of life but it was really really aging and my desktop [TS]

00:29:42   display as you know it's it's it's like a 2004 20 inch Cinema Display [TS]

00:29:49   Syrian 04 as reckless as I am buying a new iPhone every single year the [TS]

00:29:55   opposite with Max I like to get one accident and then use it until it until [TS]

00:30:00   it ridiculous field now you gonna find out if you have any glaring their room [TS]

00:30:05   because I'm looking at the 23 interaction and that it's Matt and you [TS]

00:30:08   know what you don't know if you have any series Claire issues if you've been [TS]

00:30:11   using a matte screen for the past hour many years you'll find out now you see [TS]

00:30:15   your face when you sit down in front of your an iMac that was that's one of [TS]

00:30:19   those things where I think they've gotten better at it and I know that it's [TS]

00:30:22   it's the sort of thing you can write about them they can advertise be really [TS]

00:30:26   have to see it the anti glare at the thing that they've done with the new [TS]

00:30:28   iPad there is pretty interesting but i wanna know why didn't he to the new iMac [TS]

00:30:34   20 knots not laminated I think think the reason that in laminated I assume is [TS]

00:30:39   maybe it's just hard to eliminate some of that but you know you know how did [TS]

00:30:41   you take the glass often in the screen is behind it and they landed them [TS]

00:30:44   together I guess you would like to take the screen off when you opened it up and [TS]

00:30:48   then you have to like disconnect the cables or whatever interests maybe you [TS]

00:30:52   make it weird to disassemble I don't know but anyway laminated together and [TS]

00:30:56   so you've got that air gap which increases the glare and also that's [TS]

00:30:59   where the dust gets caught you ever had to bring those are two of two to pet [TS]

00:31:04   peeves that you and I share together I do not like glare on light displays and [TS]

00:31:08   I do not like she noise so I'm pretty pretty pretty satisfied I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:31:16   that it's gonna be I didn't take it out of the box I had too much to do today so [TS]

00:31:18   I did I was ready for it but I'm pretty excited that it's not going to be noisy [TS]

00:31:24   and a little worried about that [TS]

00:31:25   I'm kind of glad to have the Apple 24 inch display and working on the first [TS]

00:31:32   one that was kind of like the iMac touchscreen works that looks like [TS]

00:31:36   Thunderbolt Display by 24 inches and it was a predates it but it's not the same [TS]

00:31:40   thing air gap and the screen in an office with you know fluorescent lights [TS]

00:31:45   and also had things in there are reflection things but the compared to [TS]

00:31:48   all my coworkers displays which like these delicate ViewSonic things are even [TS]

00:31:53   like their their laptop displays and stuff just the brightness and viewing [TS]

00:31:58   angle like that they're ridiculous brightness of these things have the LED [TS]

00:32:00   backlit screens you never crack on to the brain was a regular house but in an [TS]

00:32:04   office setting we're just you know the fluorescent lights are everywhere is [TS]

00:32:07   also super bright the ability to crack your screen up can really power through [TS]

00:32:11   any other sort of Glarus just it's so much easier to see thanks to my screen [TS]

00:32:16   than anybody around a look at their screens and you can't see it as a bad [TS]

00:32:21   because everything is so damn in money so there are advantages to this this [TS]

00:32:26   type of design Mauritius crystal-clear visa glass and a super bright screen [TS]

00:32:30   behind it that worst case you can just crank it up against my wife has a [TS]

00:32:33   wonderful display right behind me and I look at all the time and I know what's [TS]

00:32:36   really nice too so I'm gonna be ok with the screen like the one you've gotten [TS]

00:32:40   your iMac yeah the thing that makes him feel pretty good about it is that ok [TS]

00:32:44   with the glare on the current MacBooks [TS]

00:32:48   at least the rain and one that I have now does it does a laminated to there [TS]

00:32:51   are maybe they are I think they are thinking because I think that my first [TS]

00:32:58   impression when they first had the red-nosed 15 actually back at WNBC [TS]

00:33:01   overlooking Jason Stolz whatever it was like the colors were like up on the [TS]

00:33:05   surface of the same type of thing he got with the iPhone 4 and yeah I guess he [TS]

00:33:10   may be that they keep the whole lid so then seriously seriously well I still [TS]

00:33:18   feel like that I i remember when it was sort of a many years it was a maybe [TS]

00:33:25   minds around three or four year period where there is like this great divide [TS]

00:33:33   between for laptops at least glossy and matte displays and Apple stuck with Matt [TS]

00:33:40   and hope PC industry went glossy and every time I go to Starbucks or [TS]

00:33:46   something and they'd see people using Windows PCs just be flabbergasted at how [TS]

00:33:51   like reflective their displays are and then Apple started offering it was like [TS]

00:33:57   a choice i know i three years were you when you buy a new era I guess it wasn't [TS]

00:34:05   even my books yet but you get a choice between man and that's one of the things [TS]

00:34:10   I never hesitated for a second it was of course I want that I think he remembers [TS]

00:34:16   I know what the PC people did for their glossy ones they didn't do what Apple [TS]

00:34:21   has come to you now I just have a clear piece of glass on top of LCD screen I [TS]

00:34:29   think maybe Apple's first glossy screens but certainly also the PC glossy screen [TS]

00:34:33   sort of kicked off a thing for plastic but it was like super shiny plastic a [TS]

00:34:38   novice polycarbonate or something like that but it had kind of like a sticky [TS]

00:34:42   wavy kind of look instead of what you get from piece of glass because you know [TS]

00:34:46   dead flat and like stiff you know i mean and that made the screens looking not [TS]

00:34:51   only shiny but also cheap and I seem to recall Apple's first class he just was [TS]

00:34:56   being like that too and that's why I was like who in the world would ever want [TS]

00:34:59   that just looks awful when they switch to the big glass big heavy piece of [TS]

00:35:04   glass and metal is heavier and it was a great nap is huge air gap at least that [TS]

00:35:08   look a little bit classier to me like more diverse a more honest materials in [TS]

00:35:13   01950 yellow glass we're gonna do that for years that that's settled things [TS]

00:35:20   down a little bit but but even then and a lot of people who got the matte [TS]

00:35:23   display just just for reflection reasons yeah I totally did [TS]

00:35:30   so funny though that's is that that used to be at them and I'm still in awe [TS]

00:35:33   because my display my desktop displays so ancient and it's literally 10 years [TS]

00:35:38   old in 2004 soon after its like a relic I have to say it was money well spent I [TS]

00:35:51   don't know you stayed with 20 and resolution probably die i feel myself [TS]

00:35:55   just I wish I could get out of this 23 inch 1920 by 1200 I that's just like [TS]

00:36:00   barely big enough to contain me but I feel boxed in though I always have time [TS]

00:36:05   but eventually I got used to it and you know that your pared down like your work [TS]

00:36:17   environment where you like you don't have as many windows open as you would [TS]

00:36:19   normally having just come to try to go into like I'm just gonna have one [TS]

00:36:22   central window is text editor and then off to the side of my web browser the [TS]

00:36:25   budget ads and that's you know effectively with a 20 inch display it's [TS]

00:36:29   a lot like using just a supersized like the lunch tray MacBook you know the 730 [TS]

00:36:35   likely to fullscreen fullscreen but for the most part everything I'm working on [TS]

00:36:39   this just in a stack of windows and after command tab between them [TS]

00:36:42   does not you know it's not be enough to do a lot of side by side so I'm really [TS]

00:36:46   looking for a 27 inch and now I have over the many years honed by sort of [TS]

00:36:51   like layering and positioning system for my windows which other people look at [TS]

00:36:54   can make heads or tails but when I am constrained that I start have a lot of [TS]

00:36:57   Windows I start running out of places places to the corners to poke out like [TS]

00:37:01   that's you know the system is like a weird I got things in corners and window [TS]

00:37:05   size and shape so that I can find a clickable region that's just the way I [TS]

00:37:09   work with Macs you know starting from the eighties but when I just have too [TS]

00:37:14   many damn windows I run out of places to have quick stop in if I ever find myself [TS]

00:37:18   a new command failed command tabacum until the within [TS]

00:37:21   to cycle through the windows I feel like I've been defeated by the lack of space [TS]

00:37:25   so I really I really can't wait to get a 27 inch equivalent to appoint resolution [TS]

00:37:30   screen so I can review it and I literally didn't even take it out of the [TS]

00:37:34   box but having seen it firsthand last week and I know a lot and then the [TS]

00:37:38   stores now too and I've seen a lot of people who were at least going in to [TS]

00:37:41   look at them it's it's gorgeous it really is it's it's why I don't rush [TS]

00:37:47   into replacing my desk at least six year old computer and a 10 year old display [TS]

00:37:53   but it's I didn't hesitate to buy one and I know you guys talked on ATP that [TS]

00:37:59   it too risky because you know there's a lot of times first-generation stuff from [TS]

00:38:03   Apple has kinks to be worked out [TS]

00:38:05   image retention of course is a huge question mark at this point I think [TS]

00:38:10   jason said just now did Marcos little immature tension tests and said his iMac [TS]

00:38:16   which you got any it does well pass with flying look so same seems clear on that [TS]

00:38:20   front unless they're using to manufacturers and he got the bride and [TS]

00:38:23   that's that's possible because snails is a review unit and they you know I don't [TS]

00:38:29   know for a fact that I'm 99.99% sure that they sanity check the reviews [TS]

00:38:34   they're they're not like factory sealed you know that there's a white glove [TS]

00:38:39   guide to make sure that everything that this is a good you know there's no user [TS]

00:38:43   and factory sealed cuz I just got for the first time I got a much longer Apple [TS]

00:38:47   hardware further yosemite review it and it looked pretty darn fact they rapin [TS]

00:38:53   backup how can you do that like that was that was a game again as a novelty for [TS]

00:38:59   me to be getting review hardware and part of the game I played with I'm going [TS]

00:39:03   to wrap these things so they look like I didn't take them out so I saved all the [TS]

00:39:06   standard put it back on and putting it back on his super hard like you can't [TS]

00:39:10   get a lined up right now can you wrap a gift [TS]

00:39:15   Korea it doesn't look good looks when I wrapped gift it looks like that it does [TS]

00:39:21   not look like a nice even matter how much I try I can't I know how to do it [TS]

00:39:27   now and have reached the age where I know what I mean to do to make it look [TS]

00:39:29   good but at a certain point is don't care anymore like you [TS]

00:39:32   comes down to having the right length overhangs no amount of skill unfolding [TS]

00:39:37   is going to save you and you realize you know how to write overhangs and you try [TS]

00:39:40   to like trim it to make their own then that just get the ragged edge just like [TS]

00:39:44   you know it's crystal fullbright get there comes a point where you set out to [TS]

00:39:48   make it like I wanna rap on as good as my wife can rap but eventually I run [TS]

00:39:53   into that situation and I think wait this is just gonna be garbage 10 seconds [TS]

00:39:57   after I give it a try to think that I think about what you're doing it [TS]

00:40:02   especially you having something and yes I can give your wife and your nose we [TS]

00:40:07   even doing here but like you just got its gonna plow had bravely rapid in the [TS]

00:40:13   received may remember wrapping things in the funny pages that come with your kids [TS]

00:40:21   nobody does that anymore probably going to be late newsprint all over everything [TS]

00:40:26   and was like who does I guess it was just like our parents saving money on [TS]

00:40:30   wrapping paper or maybe you know maybe a little bit of column a saving money in a [TS]

00:40:37   little bit column B we're all of a sudden it's Saturday forgot who I forgot [TS]

00:40:42   it was Saturday morning and the party is it new [TS]

00:40:46   and you remember you have the gift you bought the gifted you know target the [TS]

00:40:50   other day but you didn't buy wrapping paper cuz you thought you start a closet [TS]

00:40:53   full of it and you don't and just used the Sunday paper that was definitely I [TS]

00:40:59   would I would say when I was a kid like lower grade school I would say probably [TS]

00:41:03   about a third of all the gifts that I got were wrapped in the Sunday paper [TS]

00:41:07   Sunday well I wonder how long have to go with the school books being wrapped in [TS]

00:41:13   grocery bags oh I remember that covers right so I think they still do that but [TS]

00:41:19   now the big thing in the you know the fancy stores like Whole Foods and [TS]

00:41:25   everything is to have a cloth reusable cloth bags you know make all that paper [TS]

00:41:29   waste so I wonder how long those things will be around yea long can you get a [TS]

00:41:32   paper bag Whole Foods gives out paper bags yet if you don't if you don't have [TS]

00:41:37   the little cloth bags you forgot to put them in the trunk of her car they give [TS]

00:41:40   you a dirty look in the paper bag they had like a passive aggressive oh you [TS]

00:41:45   didn't bring back a few not care about the Penguins who gonna choke to death on [TS]

00:41:51   the bed and stuff and well enjoy your $5 avocadoes organic I've heard the dishes [TS]

00:41:59   I've heard that if you eat organic produce you cannot get people there [TS]

00:42:04   finally is an advantage there's a reason to buy the $0.89 a pound organic bananas [TS]

00:42:10   instead of the 69 cents a pound [TS]

00:42:12   regular bananas because it'll it'll immunize people they come with organic [TS]

00:42:17   for flyers invade your house if you leave their absolutely adorable fruit [TS]

00:42:23   flies [TS]

00:42:25   I'm as as take a break do a second sponsor because it seems like a good [TS]

00:42:33   time to break but I will go back I wanted to talk about next last week's [TS]

00:42:38   event a little bit too before we get into yosemite but i wanna take a break [TS]

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00:45:21   last week's event I thought it was [TS]

00:45:26   it was a little weird and I touched on this with Phil Schiller was he flat or [TS]

00:45:33   not and i got a bunch of emails and tweets from people what's up with phil [TS]

00:45:38   was he like you know something wrong with it seemed distracted as a yes I [TS]

00:45:45   didn't notice it during the event I thought phil was just sort of downbeat [TS]

00:45:51   Phil not you know just like this is not a big deal file and then I think it was [TS]

00:45:56   a very deliberate I think it was sort of low key maybe I would say I wouldn't [TS]

00:46:02   distract well but he is always like that to some degree right he's the pace of [TS]

00:46:08   his speaking and his presenting sounds always a little bit weird like that [TS]

00:46:11   maybe he was up next to people who are doing more fake enthusiasm about things [TS]

00:46:18   or being but I just occasionally does seem distracted by stuff sometimes I [TS]

00:46:22   feel like he's distracted thinking about the next thing he's gonna present even [TS]

00:46:25   though he's been doing this for so long [TS]

00:46:27   like these think about the next 20 percent trying to remember the things [TS]

00:46:31   he's gonna do in the demo or whatever and he'll get to get inside his own head [TS]

00:46:35   about that and like forget to fake enthusiasm about something that has seen [TS]

00:46:39   a million times before but did not stick out to me much like I mostly just as [TS]

00:46:45   well as a low-key guy and this is the way he presents seen it so much they [TS]

00:46:50   kind of fades into the wall paper but I i always occasionally see kind of be [TS]

00:46:54   distracted from aid maybe he was afraid that if the timing of things this before [TS]

00:46:58   or after their road trip type thing now that the demo the guys who like that a [TS]

00:47:05   typo during his thing and they fixed it and post remember that oh yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:47:10   who made the video video editing thing I forget if it was after that it's like he [TS]

00:47:16   could have been thinking about that but he's like her so many times had to be [TS]

00:47:19   scrapped the standoff you know what it was before that I don't have a splash [TS]

00:47:22   yeah what was the deal with that I didn't know that they fix it in post I [TS]

00:47:26   remember I didn't notice it during the event let people pointed out was it was [TS]

00:47:30   it a feathery demo agreed mistyped road trip now it was it was like people who a [TS]

00:47:34   third party software developers who they are and they were they were not native [TS]

00:47:41   English right here is the guy who is reserved running the demo machine he [TS]

00:47:44   fell victim to auto correct that I think it got a corrected utah Ute our road [TS]

00:47:50   trip with its road trip and the guy shook his head and was pissed on himself [TS]

00:47:54   and auto correct and then just cloud for the demo but then in post they have [TS]

00:48:00   somebody could you do this and post day risk free screen capture the screen [TS]

00:48:05   image and froze his image of himself before he does the handshake and then [TS]

00:48:11   transitioned mmm post head shake it was pretty good at it like this side by side [TS]

00:48:14   to see the person you see the screen and it made it seem like that did not happen [TS]

00:48:19   or just fine as pretty cool it is shows you that Apple sweat the details are ya [TS]

00:48:25   know like never heard it so many times and you could see the AutoCorrect bubble [TS]

00:48:28   like we all know I don't have space bar is going to complete two is my favorite [TS]

00:48:36   little detail I am actually it's like to to get the iPad review had to shelve it [TS]

00:48:40   but I still wanna write my during fireball piece on my thoughts on last [TS]

00:48:44   week's event and my favorite little thing and I'm not surprised you won't be [TS]

00:48:50   surprised but I had to double check is that image that they used a couple of [TS]

00:48:54   times showing you know a watch phone and iPad and MacBook and iMac like that [TS]

00:49:04   I thought clearly like an homage to like that evolution image even out story goes [TS]

00:49:10   the other way where the Mac was first other products you know came later sort [TS]

00:49:14   of left-to-right newest oldest but I thought that was really telling image I [TS]

00:49:19   thought it was especially telling daddy used it multiple times early on with Kim [TS]

00:49:24   Cogan in like in the wrap up but I checked and of course they made two [TS]

00:49:29   versions of it the first one was with an iPad their original iPad air and the one [TS]

00:49:36   they use at the end when Tim Cook closed the iPad is thinner and its know yet if [TS]

00:49:41   you look at them side-by-side it very noticeable that they made a second [TS]

00:49:44   version with a thinner iPad even though they're only showing them from the side [TS]

00:49:47   and it at any given moment was it was impossible to tell which generation iPad [TS]

00:49:52   was because it was from the side that they made the iPad Mac external case [TS]

00:49:57   proportions change at all with the right now [TS]

00:50:01   yeah I can't tell cuz that's the one I would look for a replacement but if [TS]

00:50:05   they're exactly the same appeals to tell from the side yeah if they had slimmed [TS]

00:50:09   down or maybe you can tell from that angle that they're obviously very proud [TS]

00:50:13   of it though when it first came up I read it just like I knew they weren't [TS]

00:50:18   trying to make a text book but it kinda look like Hello had been on my mind that [TS]

00:50:22   weird social network things like it's kinda looks like it could be letters [TS]

00:50:25   they could spell things out without if they want to but that's not what it was [TS]

00:50:28   the evolution thing is much closer analogy because it's from you have a [TS]

00:50:32   hunch thing to the standing up things got a bit it's all swollen right even if [TS]

00:50:35   its yeah yeah i'm looking at them now side-by-side it did change the lighting [TS]

00:50:41   on the iMac in the between the two slides and it makes the day after one it [TS]

00:50:46   looks a little thinner but I looks to me that it's just that they change the [TS]

00:50:51   lighting [TS]

00:50:52   and there's less of it and show more of it and shadow this is a different [TS]

00:50:56   product like a different products like you know when they when they brought up [TS]

00:50:59   the new iMac take a shot of it the lighting wasn't the same as when they [TS]

00:51:02   had that older iMac ticket out of it so it is a bit like I think you look too [TS]

00:51:06   few people talking about this I mostly agree with whatever personal link to [TS]

00:51:09   there was talk saying like this is cute and all but doesn't communicate to [TS]

00:51:13   people who aren't already on board much of anything because regular people might [TS]

00:51:18   not even understand what they're looking at it along with devices which like [TS]

00:51:23   Apple was clearly excited and proud of it and we Apple's always nerds thought [TS]

00:51:27   it was clever and interesting and and because you had to find some interesting [TS]

00:51:30   way to show these things that just like here's all the screens of black borders [TS]

00:51:33   at Apple makes they come in different sizes right and you know one of them has [TS]

00:51:36   a little stand at the end so coming up with new and interesting ways to [TS]

00:51:40   photograph Apple's product line is a challenge that is mostly irrelevant to [TS]

00:51:45   people who either work at Apple heard in following up for a long time whereas if [TS]

00:51:48   you throw that image up in front of regular people I'm not sure how well [TS]

00:51:52   will communicate anything I read to them at all but I you know the audience for [TS]

00:51:56   this Apple event and Iran is not the iPhone event this is the the lesser [TS]

00:52:00   event in was in a town hall small room mostly of interest to Apple followers I [TS]

00:52:07   was appropriate venue for that image but not sure how I read it that's why I [TS]

00:52:13   found adherence to parts to the to the Apple presentations not necessary to [TS]

00:52:19   have but there's two types of messages they seek to convey some are for the [TS]

00:52:23   mass market and they sometimes even showed that actual commercials that [TS]

00:52:27   they're going to put on real TV show the commercial right there so it's exactly [TS]

00:52:32   what they're going to be pushing in their marketing to hundreds of millions [TS]

00:52:37   of real people through advertising but then other parts are the as close as [TS]

00:52:42   Apple will get to inside baseball and that's meant for like us in the media [TS]

00:52:48   who are then going to [TS]

00:52:52   you know it's it's it's like they're playing a bank shot they're trying to [TS]

00:52:55   get us to understand them so that when we write about them to the mass market [TS]

00:53:00   that we're going to have it right that we we see what Apple is going to [TS]

00:53:07   emphasize the parts that they think will tickle are the fancy of of the Apple [TS]

00:53:12   fans like they're going to show you the video but the manufacturing process and [TS]

00:53:15   emphasize the beauty of one particular physical teacher so that in the hopes [TS]

00:53:18   that when you write your review that feature the you might have overlooked [TS]

00:53:21   you'll say well I just showed the whole five-minute video of a factory in [TS]

00:53:25   johnnie obvious why we're all talking about it and some of its more prominent [TS]

00:53:29   your mind this is basically basic you know talking to the press type of things [TS]

00:53:32   but they will never gonna show that video the Mac Pro factory during you [TS]

00:53:37   don't care about the necro doll period and certainly not how or where it's [TS]

00:53:41   built all the things that had about the unibody or whatever like think it's a [TS]

00:53:45   it's unibody and they can give the thing out or whatever they can to show that [TS]

00:53:47   you know computer controlled milling machines with the water going over them [TS]

00:53:51   and just talk about it forever like when they came out with the MacBook Air and [TS]

00:53:54   then see the subsequent universities they really hammer on that to try to get [TS]

00:53:57   the message across to the press who would then get the message across that [TS]

00:54:00   hey I know you understand what unibody is and I know you're gonna see it's one [TS]

00:54:04   piece involved but it actually makes a difference and it's a big deal and [TS]

00:54:07   that's that's the bank shot five-minute video on CNC milling machines and that [TS]

00:54:12   totally translates to a little bit extra emphasis when the first unibody process [TS]

00:54:17   in the consumer-facing product reviews [TS]

00:54:19   another that I just love this image and I think another after somebody compared [TS]

00:54:24   it somebody on Twitter compared it to one from one of the recent events that [TS]

00:54:28   Microsoft had [TS]

00:54:30   the surface but probably the surface pro 3 event and they had a table lined up in [TS]

00:54:36   their hands on area with Nokia phones and surface Pro's and some of them on [TS]

00:54:43   the table and some of them in a laptop stand and desktop computers and laptop [TS]

00:54:47   computers you know up to you know whatever the HP equivalent of an iMac is [TS]

00:54:52   all of them running exactly the same start screen you know this blue blue [TS]

00:54:59   colored whatever they do whatever they rename Metro interface you know and that [TS]

00:55:04   what a country you know it's it's a philosophical contrast we're in a [TS]

00:55:07   Microsoft misdirection where you get the exact same interface across phone from [TS]

00:55:12   phone to you know 30 inch desktop display and Apple you know when and as [TS]

00:55:19   you know reiterated this year you know that each of these devices gets an [TS]

00:55:24   interface that is just for that form factor in the increase you know making [TS]

00:55:28   them very different and you know we can't even talk about it when we get [TS]

00:55:33   into yosemite review the way that your sanity is clearly inspired by the [TS]

00:55:38   direction that iOS 7 wind but it's it even at a glance just if you've been [TS]

00:55:43   tuned out for six months and still haven't even seen yosemite and you took [TS]

00:55:47   a look at it right now you wouldn't think so they copied Iowa 7 that it's [TS]

00:55:51   the exact same thing it's different it's a family resemblance but it's like a [TS]

00:55:57   brother or cousin it is not an identical twin exactly [TS]

00:56:00   simply not twins and I think showing these devices in this promotional image [TS]

00:56:07   for us we don't even see the display is in a in a strange way emphasizes that [TS]

00:56:13   the that way you would send the displays are very different across also thing and [TS]

00:56:19   I think this is always interesting to me and I tried to think about it [TS]

00:56:23   is what are the things that Apple is trying to convey to us that they can't [TS]

00:56:28   bring themselves to say for various reasons because it's you and me this one [TS]

00:56:35   of the things with this image in a way that they spoke about it is that they [TS]

00:56:42   don't expect or even want everybody to buy everything you're not supposed to [TS]

00:56:47   have an iMac and MacBook and an iPad and iPad Mini and you know a phone and a [TS]

00:56:53   watch if you do great you know you're a great customer but if you just have two [TS]

00:56:59   of them that's great you know maybe you have this iPhone six-plus and because [TS]

00:57:05   it's a huge phone [TS]

00:57:06   feel like now I don't need an iPad and your only other product is a Macbook and [TS]

00:57:12   you just use that MacBook everywhere you use it at your desk to use it when you [TS]

00:57:15   travel and that's it you're perfect you're perfectly encourage that's that's [TS]

00:57:23   that's absolutely encouraged but they can't say that they can't say it ok if [TS]

00:57:26   you don't buy this you know i mean you can't get on stage and say you know this [TS]

00:57:31   cool new iMac that we do show dude it's totally fine if you don't buy into work [TS]

00:57:35   every talk about this an ATP little while ago about how they even just [TS]

00:57:39   within the iOS device range you see them head-on or whatever they call it look [TS]

00:57:43   like a black border around [TS]

00:57:45   color LCD screen of various sizes but now they really fleshed out the range [TS]

00:57:51   especially with the watch being a little tiny thing and then you have all the [TS]

00:57:54   different various sizes of iPhones in the big one of the biggest one gets [TS]

00:57:57   close to the many and that you know like it's a pretty smooth scale-up of [TS]

00:58:01   rectangular color screens that you can buy from the big I read them on the you [TS]

00:58:06   bought but and as the physical form factors have started to form the smooth [TS]

00:58:11   scale but they're kind of showing in this image here they're still [TS]

00:58:15   discontinuities because what is the difference between an iPhone 6 plus an [TS]

00:58:20   iPad 1 runs iPad apps and one runs iPhone apps and the line between them [TS]

00:58:26   ATP is probably going to go away sometime in the near future because that [TS]

00:58:31   distinction like if you were to get an iPhone six-plus [TS]

00:58:34   go to the App Store and be like oh I want this game or just happen to like us [TS]

00:58:39   are you can only think what do you mean iPad only like that that is not much [TS]

00:58:43   bigger screen Melling man what is it about the thing holding my hand the [TS]

00:58:46   music can't run a quote unquote iPad that distinction seems like it's going [TS]

00:58:50   to go away but this the other gap of like you get the iPad error if they [TS]

00:58:54   become a pro and then to a MacBook Air which presumably go read it to why are [TS]

00:58:58   these are different like well as you to explain why is a keyboard but they run [TS]

00:59:01   totally different OS's one has touched one is not touch like Apple's expecting [TS]

00:59:07   you to pick your spot in their product line where you feel comfortable because [TS]

00:59:10   there are discontinuity still and I never going to paper over them to the [TS]

00:59:15   Microsoft does like 2010 as everybody that's not what Apple believes in but in [TS]

00:59:18   any kind of transition like another discontinuity when you go from the phone [TS]

00:59:21   to the watch is just has to be account work the same way it's just too small or [TS]

00:59:25   whatever so these little gaps like if they were to space out of like watch big [TS]

00:59:29   gap phone phone phone tiny gap iPad laptop even bigger gap I'm at your spot [TS]

00:59:36   the pic in that range of like you know I Chinese food man you want to call a one [TS]

00:59:41   column be like and make up the suite of devices that fill out your life and by [TS]

00:59:47   having this range I think obviously someone's not just gonna buy the watch [TS]

00:59:50   and not have a PC and not have a cell phone like they're gonna have something [TS]

00:59:53   in this rain just which ones do you think you need no one needs to fill in [TS]

00:59:56   all caps and then they did but they can't say it that way right and I've [TS]

01:00:03   always hated the way like we have something for every day you know like it [TS]

01:00:06   is a look at this range like look at the richest cities range they're surely [TS]

01:00:09   there is something that fits your needs like we have no flushing out like to [TS]

01:00:13   diversify now fallen for the longest time like the iPhone was the iPhone and [TS]

01:00:16   everybody wanted like it even now he said his room for diversification of [TS]

01:00:20   like you know make one [TS]

01:00:21   longer battery life or something like that they've diversified their line to [TS]

01:00:24   say something for everybody and the same way they don't expect you to buy two [TS]

01:00:28   iPhones like the big one in the small linear night phony your day phone it's [TS]

01:00:31   the same thing that they don't say that because I think its obvious but just [TS]

01:00:36   like the not gonna say if you if you buy [TS]

01:00:38   MacBook Pro we probably can expect you to buy an iMac because the MacBook Pros [TS]

01:00:43   are completely fully capable awesome machine you can do everything on but if [TS]

01:00:47   you're the kind of person who wants a desktop we will offer one of those two [TS]

01:00:50   ya Mac Pro some people wrote to me after the iMac announcement and they're sort [TS]

01:01:05   of I have obviously they've bottomed last 10 months and they're angry that [TS]

01:01:12   you know did not get angry just went out and bought an iMac but to me that's so [TS]

01:01:20   totally not surprising you know that even though the Mac Pro is very [TS]

01:01:25   expensive machine and in theory should always be at the leading edge of [TS]

01:01:30   technology and it is in a lot of ways that it didn't go retina first or at [TS]

01:01:37   least simultaneously and probably not even close like I know by Marcos logic [TS]

01:01:41   of why he doesn't think a stand-alone five Kage displays gonna ship from Apple [TS]

01:01:45   until 2016 is pretty sound because it there's a lot of I think he's gonna [TS]

01:01:50   probably doesn't need DisplayPort / honorable in a 1.38 / Thunderbolt 30 [TS]

01:01:57   they're not going to do that then I can have hereunto cables to drive it just [TS]

01:02:01   means that there is always obvious that there's a advantage of an all-in-one DVD [TS]

01:02:05   all mine has they can use whatever the hell interconnect they want inside that [TS]

01:02:09   box right doesn't either confirmed any specification and doesn't need that they [TS]

01:02:12   could just do what do what you gotta do to make it work it all happens inside [TS]

01:02:16   the box so you're always going to have an advantage for that thing if it [TS]

01:02:19   happened that a standardized external interconnect existed for retina displays [TS]

01:02:25   in the same time as the macro macro would have had it for ya but it just so [TS]

01:02:28   happened that it didn't end and then you're like ok we need to get right now [TS]

01:02:32   they're somehow and because the Mac Pro uses that the Odyssey on parts and [TS]

01:02:37   because their generation behind because we don't have the external interacts [TS]

01:02:40   apple just did whatever the hell it took to get it done inside this iMac box and [TS]

01:02:44   don't worry about what goes on behind the curtain track [TS]

01:02:46   but it does create this weird and historical time you know to five six [TS]

01:02:51   seven years now we're gonna look back on it and it will just be compressed and [TS]

01:02:54   we'll just remember that I'm actress first and everything you know the [TS]

01:02:58   standalone displays were second in the interim though it is weird that the iMac [TS]

01:03:03   is going to have these super amazing retina displays and the Mac Pro no [TS]

01:03:06   matter how much money is spent on it and let you know well I mean you can get a [TS]

01:03:10   fork a display from AppBrain four years back and then you buy one of those like [TS]

01:03:14   special you know once for photography that has a bigger color gamut and has [TS]

01:03:18   better accuracy and you buy from NEC it like the people who are buying Mac Pros [TS]

01:03:23   minority have a super high res monitors for a video editing that confirmed two [TS]

01:03:28   different standards then this consumer IMAX screens so it's not the people who [TS]

01:03:34   might be complaining people who had bought a Mac Pro but didn't really need [TS]

01:03:38   one and just want to have a can of them machine right that's the case I do think [TS]

01:03:42   that's right what irks them is that now until there's a five k stand-alone [TS]

01:03:49   display and when that comes out it won't run on the exact you have to get in any [TS]

01:03:53   way they envisioned ongoing in a meeting at one of the many reasons that I didn't [TS]

01:03:57   buy one is like well if I was waiting for retina this Mac Pro is not the [TS]

01:04:00   machine because we know what it's capable of we know Apple didn't even [TS]

01:04:03   offer any monitors I didn't want their body mind if I did have it there and I [TS]

01:04:07   didn't want to be forecast wanted what Apple made here that I want to 27 inches [TS]

01:04:11   that resolution of my wife 27 inch Thunderbolt Display [TS]

01:04:14   just double the number of pixels very clean cars on there that's the thing [TS]

01:04:18   that really blew me away at first I was like [TS]

01:04:21   waiting for the well there's gotta be a catch and then I thought about like like [TS]

01:04:26   with the iPhone six-plus where it's not really three acts retinoids to 2.8 2.6 [TS]

01:04:32   and they just use scaling to make it work and it looks pretty good but it's [TS]

01:04:37   still not the same time they gave the pixel dimensions and unlike dividing a [TS]

01:04:44   man on the moon that sounds like actual to axe you know and it is no doubt that [TS]

01:04:49   announced their monetary similar specs so you'd seen as Dell announced he like [TS]

01:04:53   okay well this must be technically possible now after I was going to offer [TS]

01:04:56   one possible that it's like when when does Apple have a product this could be [TS]

01:05:01   mean if they didn't exist and Dell comes out with his monitor the current Mac [TS]

01:05:06   Pros can't drive with a single cable and might not be able to drive to get it [TS]

01:05:11   then we just put all been waiting and be like well Dell's got these matters we [TS]

01:05:14   can't have them but the iMac does exist in gave Apple an opportunity to you know [TS]

01:05:19   we can get as soon as those displays are available we gotta get 121 our machines [TS]

01:05:23   behind that is the way to make that happen so famous you know knock on wood [TS]

01:05:27   let's wait until I actually take it out and set up and use it but I'm paper at [TS]

01:05:32   least and from what I've seen in person this is the Mac i've been waiting for [TS]

01:05:35   close to 10 years you know it's gonna be big upgrade valujet ever since I i [TS]

01:05:42   remember when they were first talking about it bc maybe 2006 2007 but what [TS]

01:05:48   they called it what are they called it before they had to work retina high dpi [TS]

01:05:54   resolution resolution independent scalable you I resolution independence [TS]

01:05:59   was and I remember I mention this to like my my fellow obsessive resolution [TS]

01:06:05   independence is cable sasser panic and I remember going to the session [TS]

01:06:10   at WBC with him we came out so excited and he was like we're gonna do all the [TS]

01:06:16   graphics and other apps as PDAs and they did in fact they say parents started [TS]

01:06:20   shipping UPS with with scalable PDF icons and stuff like that [TS]

01:06:25   inside for tow bars and stuff like that years ago because of cable and I both [TS]

01:06:30   convinced ourselves I don't even know what we were thinking I mean it's not [TS]

01:06:35   just you like at like if you go back to my old OS 10 reviews Apple made promises [TS]

01:06:38   they liked by 2008 our home product line will be resolution independent so get [TS]

01:06:43   ready like 2006 when they say they gave it they give a year and a date and like [TS]

01:06:47   every year like they were used to be section and my users like you know [TS]

01:06:51   resolution dependence how's that going along and I would take a little [TS]

01:06:54   screenshot of texts at it in like 20 X motor 1150 did you see what a trainwreck [TS]

01:06:58   as you like and that's why this is still not easy facing see you next year I we [TS]

01:07:03   just convinced ourselves that the like right now I'm actually gonna be coming [TS]

01:07:06   out in late 2008 and you're so excited we wanted to get in line to buy one then [TS]

01:07:11   and it took until now just i mean it was so much easier to make the iPhone 4 [TS]

01:07:16   screen to waste your victims and it's just so hard to make it that density you [TS]

01:07:21   know so we had to wait a long time before I was economically feasible to [TS]

01:07:25   make a screen this message that was the whole thing with red as well maybe they [TS]

01:07:28   could do earlier maybe we'll just do it for 21 inch of track right cuz they [TS]

01:07:33   could have gone that made that one retina sooner I would've been like for [TS]

01:07:36   cash or three kailash type resolution but no they weren't true though the [TS]

01:07:40   whole enchilada yeah and it's really as far as I can tell no compromise its in [TS]

01:07:45   terms of the number of pixels the way they're doing it you know that there's [TS]

01:07:48   no no cheapening out on it it's super bright it's amazing to me that was [TS]

01:07:54   anything to during the event last week after you know Phil gave the specs and [TS]

01:08:00   the size and you know I love you know what's gonna powers that's you know it's [TS]

01:08:08   a huge problem all these pixels lighten up [TS]

01:08:10   is this thing gonna get super hot and instead it takes less power which is [TS]

01:08:14   crazy [TS]

01:08:17   yeah that that's the thing that made me feel good about the machine that like [TS]

01:08:20   that is not going to be just the ragged edge of what's possible to wade into [TS]

01:08:24   this thing you know the cooling everything so they you know the GPU is [TS]

01:08:28   is hotter but they made up for by actually make you scream my hope is that [TS]

01:08:33   it's what bye bye not compromising and clearly like you said they could have [TS]

01:08:37   shipped something sooner whether it was a 21 inch first or make it a 27 inch for [TS]

01:08:43   k displaying you scaling to make the on-screen elements a reasonable size as [TS]

01:08:48   opposed to making everything cartoonishly large they could have done [TS]

01:08:52   any number of those things within the last few years and didn't think [TS]

01:08:57   hopefully this it's almost like they're shipping like a 2.0 version of that they [TS]

01:09:02   waited until they can get everything just right for people who have one [TS]

01:09:07   sitting in their house tell themselves to make themselves feel better about [TS]

01:09:09   fresh generation Apple products is practically had to play it so far so so [TS]

01:09:19   far so good the only there was a little bit scary moment this morning when Marco [TS]

01:09:22   and I had a few people treating us like look at this study was swiping through [TS]

01:09:27   spaces on their new Renault 5 k iMac and it was like super slow and stuttering is [TS]

01:09:32   like but then million other people to be detained and showed the exact same thing [TS]

01:09:36   on there you know 13 inch MacBook Pros just say some weird yosemite but [TS]

01:09:40   hopefully the workout and 10:10 one which will hopefully come out soon as I [TS]

01:09:45   had I had no reproductions at home like I mean even I might you know for unibody [TS]

01:09:49   MacBook Pro Tools doing all that stuff but then I'm at work that had been on [TS]

01:09:54   for days that's running you some money I have enabled activated machine and [TS]

01:09:58   religion ever do otherwise and it was like oh this has gotta be somebody [TS]

01:10:01   bought because we get reports like it doesn't happen all the time and the best [TS]

01:10:06   I can tell us that it's some kind of issue that happens when your back is on [TS]

01:10:08   for a long time but there are bugs and that was the only scare so far about the [TS]

01:10:14   five-time acts turns out to be a false alarm [TS]

01:10:16   yeah I never know how far I can push it in [TS]

01:10:19   hands-on areas after these events like and there's others who who are older [TS]

01:10:26   than I have to do it and download kik pension transfer yeah I wouldn't do that [TS]

01:10:30   because then they'd stop you there is every one point like if people can get [TS]

01:10:36   longer hardware anyway then you can test it for all you want I can decide to do [TS]

01:10:39   the hands-on area well and I could see how the people who aren't getting review [TS]

01:10:45   units would be ten more tempted to do something like that and see if they can [TS]

01:10:48   get away with getting the iOS devices like you want to find out just three [TS]

01:10:53   courses that iPad right so you know quickly go to some I don't exploit some [TS]

01:10:58   crazy jailbreak thing to quickly get something like to be able to run yeah I [TS]

01:11:03   think they'll generally cut you off before you get there but it's funny [TS]

01:11:08   talking to them because the that the people who staff the hands-on areas I [TS]

01:11:11   think are all I know most of them are but I think all of them work under [TS]

01:11:16   schiller in the product marketing division at Apple and there it's easy to [TS]

01:11:23   think of them you know they all wear t-shirts they're working on an Apple [TS]

01:11:27   store something like that but they're all like in my experience super super [TS]

01:11:31   informed about the stuff that you were that you're talking about like if you [TS]

01:11:37   had asked is this three quarter in is that how he could when from 22 billion [TS]

01:11:42   transistors 23 they would know the answer but they also know that they're [TS]

01:11:46   not allowed to tell me that they're super super down there totally brief [TS]

01:11:49   they have to have their talking points they know what they will talk to you [TS]

01:11:52   about the no specific phrasing for you know if you ask a question or something [TS]

01:11:56   and they're gonna tell you something that they're gonna they're all going to [TS]

01:11:58   say a sentence in the same words it's it's talk about their profession and [TS]

01:12:02   that's all it's very evident like if you know anybody was there at their first [TS]

01:12:06   you know the first time you get invited to an Apple event you go to the entire [TS]

01:12:09   it very clear that they have a script and have talking point [TS]

01:12:12   but the other thing though is that they they're full time jobs three hundred and [TS]

01:12:18   sixty-three other days a year are working in Apple's product marketing [TS]

01:12:23   being hyper informed about that all of the technical details of all of Apple's [TS]

01:12:28   products like the these people know they know their shit they know the stuff [TS]

01:12:32   that's not on the script and it's you know and they're not going to be fooled [TS]

01:12:37   by somebody trying to download something like that maybe I could see getting away [TS]

01:12:42   with it and in the early parts of the hands-on areas because it's so crazy and [TS]

01:12:46   crowded and it's everybody wants to get their hands on him at once and maybe you [TS]

01:12:51   can get away with it but not my thing was I i they were showing photos of [TS]

01:12:57   course big images because it just shows off the thing they commissioned a guy [TS]

01:13:06   with like one of those bad ads but this camera that shoots like 50 50 megapixel [TS]

01:13:14   digital images and like a cityscape and you can see these details and you can [TS]

01:13:20   zoom in and read like the license plate number on the car and engine back out [TS]

01:13:25   and it's actually see that it still being rendered in individual pixels on [TS]

01:13:28   screen but I closed that and went to light the finder and opened up like it [TS]

01:13:33   so far a window and tried to drive around the window as fast as I could I [TS]

01:13:37   thought that was my benchmark in there and I'm here if I Drive a window around [TS]

01:13:40   as fast as I can [TS]

01:13:41   does it does it shear like I think that was a good thing testing also you know [TS]

01:13:47   if you think about the the first signature and the MacBook Pro 6 growing [TS]

01:13:51   at the maximum resolution at the one that was bigger than the native screen [TS]

01:13:54   you know that that one had a little bit of issues why not you know why but the [TS]

01:13:59   scaling and not with the composite compositing is always been pretty easy [TS]

01:14:03   to do with the way you looking for sharing is because you know they have to [TS]

01:14:05   be driving it was like essentially to DisplayPort 1.2 connections or the [TS]

01:14:09   equivalent behind the scenes in like you would look like the drive to left at the [TS]

01:14:12   screen like I mean that's the type of thing Apple would not ship if you could [TS]

01:14:17   if you could get tearing while dragging windows around I mean I will never shop [TS]

01:14:21   that even when it meant the dragon windows around with slow as molasses you [TS]

01:14:25   still get me [TS]

01:14:26   I would have been shocked but it's something I had to see to believe but [TS]

01:14:31   that was the extent that I tested it in advance [TS]

01:14:35   gets rolling I put in a position to window right in the middle so if there [TS]

01:14:38   was you know if it was some kind of two screens glued together trickery that I [TS]

01:14:44   tried to figure that out of course it's not anything else from the event last [TS]

01:14:51   week I guess there's the iPad 2 iPad 2 which is kind of interesting I think the [TS]

01:14:58   way that they've gone with their iPads is why I try to write about it this week [TS]

01:15:05   that its there's no real annual pattern to it and I don't think it means that [TS]

01:15:09   it's directionless I just feel Lake the engineering winds that they can pull off [TS]

01:15:15   each year while maintaining their profit margins are very very different as [TS]

01:15:21   compared to the iPhone which to me seems much more predictable with the top and [TS]

01:15:27   iPad and the reason I'm still totally in favour and iPad Pro is like while no one [TS]

01:15:33   is really paying much attention they're pushing up the highest and i OS device [TS]

01:15:39   to put pushing up really close to PC class in terms of power [TS]

01:15:44   not in terms of interfaith doesn't have a keyboard still it's still touch or [TS]

01:15:47   whatever but you know and it doesn't seem like a big deal I go on my iOS apps [TS]

01:15:52   faster and maybe like a game look nicer something like that but it's like it's [TS]

01:15:56   one of those things where when we have all the steps in between it doesn't seem [TS]

01:16:02   so impressive is not as impressive as you know iPhone 3G S iPhone 4 where they [TS]

01:16:06   go ready like wow they just doubled everything it's amazing right but [TS]

01:16:10   through a series of small steps this gonna come a point where new classes of [TS]

01:16:14   applications are possible on an iPad merely because they've been pressing [TS]

01:16:18   authority and there was a little stall there I think a lot of a deal with a [TS]

01:16:22   goodbye to ram for some time but now [TS]

01:16:24   having two cars from the how long we had two cars like everyone else and [TS]

01:16:27   quad-core like the Android space like that so now they're pressing again [TS]

01:16:31   gigs of ram three cars I don't think it makes new categories of stuff available [TS]

01:16:35   to you but maybe a generation or two from now we're gonna wake up and say [TS]

01:16:39   there are things of the iPad can do that the iPhone can't quite dream of doing it [TS]

01:16:45   I mean right now it's like you just need to power to run this big screen in the [TS]

01:16:49   end the iPhone you know is reasonable but like I i think you had just have so [TS]

01:16:53   much more headroom in the bigger form factor so far they haven't really been [TS]

01:16:56   willing to do with them I just the first year I feel like they're pulling away by [TS]

01:16:59   giving a double the RAM and everything but you know there is room I think there [TS]

01:17:04   is room for four more sophisticated applications to be an even larger an [TS]

01:17:10   even more powerful ipad were just like right now it's kind of like we're [TS]

01:17:14   inching towards that it just seems like a faster bigger iPad well I think the [TS]

01:17:17   two demos they chose were really good I think they were such great Emma's the [TS]

01:17:22   pixel pitch inventory and replay what did you see the schiller mispronounced [TS]

01:17:28   so shelter called it Pixelmator [TS]

01:17:33   but those are good demos because in theory if they've already got the iOS [TS]

01:17:39   app working for the iPad they could come out with maybe they will even though you [TS]

01:17:44   know maybe when Pixelmator I was ships it will be universal and a running [TS]

01:17:49   iPhone too but clearly editing photos is better the bigger the screen the better [TS]

01:17:54   and on a phone screen you're seriously constrained you know in for like the [TS]

01:17:59   exact thing that they did where they're making like an advertisement for you [TS]

01:18:03   know this big image and they want to superimpose taxed and you know having a [TS]

01:18:09   laptop size screen like the full-size iPad even though there might be small [TS]

01:18:15   for a laptop but still certainly you know nobody that the small iPad Mini is [TS]

01:18:20   vaguely giant-size phone size right it would be the biggest phone ever but it's [TS]

01:18:26   you know you could imagine somebody making an Android phone that's the size [TS]

01:18:30   of a night [TS]

01:18:30   many but not an iPad and for photo editing it's you know size matters and [TS]

01:18:36   then I think with those replay guys I thought that was an interesting boy you [TS]

01:18:41   could never do that on a PC demo because to meet the big part of that is that [TS]

01:18:48   you've already got the device you used to ship to shoot declares it's all one [TS]

01:18:54   thing it's the camera is the editing system is the playback system right and [TS]

01:18:59   you don't have that with the laptop like where you might shoot a bunch of video [TS]

01:19:03   on your phone and then you can connect your phone with the lightning adapter to [TS]

01:19:08   your MacBook and suck all the video over and open NNN you might airplane on GTV [TS]

01:19:13   so people can see it and put it back on your screen but it certainly aid that [TS]

01:19:19   beyond the technical acumen of the light typical people and be it's not something [TS]

01:19:24   you want to do an occasion like in the demo that it's like it's the type of [TS]

01:19:30   thing we're here on vacation you tell yourself when you get back home boy [TS]

01:19:32   you're going to spend a day and take all your stuff and put it on your computer [TS]

01:19:35   and make a nice video and send out to be open communication and you're rushing [TS]

01:19:39   around and you're back to regular when you're on vacation [TS]

01:19:42   you got the iPad with you you can do and you know go back to your hotel room [TS]

01:19:45   right here waiting for your table at dinner and just suck these clips in and [TS]

01:19:50   push a button and have it finished video pop out that you could post share share [TS]

01:19:55   right there and then say hey guys this is overdoing on vacation and like other [TS]

01:19:59   things looking for the iPad which we still haven't seen but people have poked [TS]

01:20:02   around like the whole you know split-screen multitasking which we know [TS]

01:20:05   is lurking the code for putting multiple apps and two thirds of course it's there [TS]

01:20:10   and obviously it's not Baghdad and are ready for a new maybe you need a bigger [TS]

01:20:13   iPad or whatever but that's what I'm talking about it like pressing the [TS]

01:20:17   limits of what can be done on a touch device I can't help but think they're [TS]

01:20:20   going to two gigs of ram is a sign that [TS]

01:20:24   if there's an iPad pro in like five months from now that's the route the [TS]

01:20:29   rumor is you know make maybe like February or March they're gonna have an [TS]

01:20:33   iPad Pro 12 or 13 inches or something like that and it'll have split screen my [TS]

01:20:39   guess is that this iPad if that's true this iPad air to get the split screen [TS]

01:20:44   too but no other iPad because of room on the smaller yeah I think it's not like [TS]

01:20:50   they've promised it but you know in fact I guess they still sell the original [TS]

01:20:55   many which they're selling for 249 is only 512 megs of RAM and you know you [TS]

01:21:02   guys talk about ATP but it's it the frustration with the growing range from [TS]

01:21:07   bottom high-end alone is that developers don't have the ability to say this app [TS]

01:21:12   only runs on the iPad air too because it so graphically intense you can't do that [TS]

01:21:17   your iPad you your iPad app has to run on at least lunch on all iPads and [TS]

01:21:22   that's something Apple has the flexibility of changes in at just an app [TS]

01:21:26   store ruled they can change the role in a time they can give you a little API [TS]

01:21:29   endpoint update to definitively say because they keep bragging about as [TS]

01:21:33   Marco pointed out that they that big chart that shows the GPU speed that goes [TS]

01:21:38   up like a big hockey look how far we've come the a Texas its GPU is so [TS]

01:21:42   incredibly powerful and yet they're still shipping the second on the ground [TS]

01:21:46   a second like well it doesn't help that I gotta make a game that runs on that [TS]

01:21:50   second . I don't it's frustrating to me the X's out there is now a good game [TS]

01:21:56   that scales from all the way out at the I can't believe we used to live like [TS]

01:22:00   animals like that and to the hockey stick [TS]

01:22:03   remove texture mapping in that version will just be flat shading but I do think [TS]

01:22:08   that there's a general you know the gist of it is if you're an iPad app or modern [TS]

01:22:12   iPhone app you can assume you have access to about a gig of memory if you [TS]

01:22:17   need to if you need it so I feel like this I feel like the iPad air to getting [TS]

01:22:22   to his [TS]

01:22:24   is a sign that if they're split screen it'll get it and I don't think the other [TS]

01:22:28   ones will assist I'm 42 day like it's it's kind of sad that the iPhone doesn't [TS]

01:22:34   have a very least you can make some kind of battery life [TS]

01:22:36   excuse for the phone yeah definitely I mean maybe like it's like it's [TS]

01:22:42   borderline they've been made it happen only if they gave it two gigs of ram it [TS]

01:22:46   would be a different devices but there's a there's a Quora post I haven't linked [TS]

01:22:51   to it from doing fireball because I feel like it's a little I i dont I can't [TS]

01:22:56   verify myself and it seems a little bit to rob reliable even when they even when [TS]

01:23:02   they don't even when they don't put enough RAM in the phone it's it's all [TS]

01:23:06   good but the expert if somebody asked on Quora why it why did the new iPhone 6 [TS]

01:23:10   only still only one gigabyte of RAM when a lot of the top Topshop competitors on [TS]

01:23:15   Android have to like the top-ranked answer was somebody saying that it's [TS]

01:23:20   there's probably a whole bunch of other reasons too but the big one is that a [TS]

01:23:26   garbage collected system like Java needs double the RAM a man on garbage [TS]

01:23:31   collected system like iOS and that their date linked to an academic paper that [TS]

01:23:36   showed how you know if you can give the garbage collected system enough RAM it [TS]

01:23:43   all just works out but when a garbage collected system gets rammed constrained [TS]

01:23:47   it goes to hell and everything gets cummed up waiting for memory and it or [TS]

01:23:55   something to that I do think that you know I S because it's a garbage [TS]

01:23:59   collected can get by a one gig longer than it will then like Android could've [TS]

01:24:04   but I still do you know it's it's still irritating every time I go back to [TS]

01:24:08   safari in my taxable been pushed and that's that kind of messed up the grill [TS]

01:24:14   luxurious buying the top and iPad air to is gonna get you think I go back to [TS]

01:24:19   Safari ASAP re still running it's healthy and be inspired [TS]

01:24:23   aight I just had [TS]

01:24:25   I notice with my review on my first break before about an hour before the [TS]

01:24:28   show I was flipping through your committee review and it had finally [TS]

01:24:34   gotten flushed from memory but I hadn't been in Safari for a while [TS]

01:24:38   been doing a lot of other stuff but it is being generated images that are in [TS]

01:24:42   there if you can do that to you that I was the first one it got inflation it [TS]

01:24:47   was definitely noticeable I think it's super interesting to that they've gone [TS]

01:24:51   they've so out of class but it's it's so noticeably faster than the iPhone 6 in [TS]

01:24:58   any kind of benchmark because it has you know it's a faster and faster single [TS]

01:25:02   core and it has a third quarter the GPU is more powerful desire to push more [TS]

01:25:08   pixels and I think I may look to the specs but I think they may be like it [TS]

01:25:12   had over power point where it's not just like the same speed is this is the [TS]

01:25:17   iPhone 6 GPU but just has to push more pixels it's like it can push the more [TS]

01:25:21   pixels and then some [TS]

01:25:22   yeah and I got to talk to I just happened to beefs my seat in the event [TS]

01:25:28   last week was right behind the front towards the front like fifth row on the [TS]

01:25:32   left and demagogues role in front of me like right in front of me where the the [TS]

01:25:36   replay guys in two rows in front of me were the guys and I know the guys [TS]

01:25:42   because they sponsored sponsored the show but I know that sponsored a [TS]

01:25:46   fireball many times and I've emailed them in a recent 1.0 came out it was [TS]

01:25:50   like wow somebody actually used you know image and all these other cool Apple [TS]

01:25:54   technologies to do the things we've been talking about for fifteen years and have [TS]

01:25:58   indeed rival to Photoshop [TS]

01:26:00   China by email you know since forever first time ever met in person I've was [TS]

01:26:05   awesome to be able to congratulate them in person you know what a moment in a [TS]

01:26:10   you get to be on stage at an Apple event and demo your app and end up I know the [TS]

01:26:16   replay guys a little bit too I didn't recognize the names when they first got [TS]

01:26:19   called up but they've sent me just as the guy rates during fireball the same [TS]

01:26:23   emails on various things over the years and you know we were right there in town [TS]

01:26:27   hall with a couple minutes before they were gonna kick us out and they're you [TS]

01:26:31   know they're not gonna give me any kind of state secrets about what what life [TS]

01:26:35   was like the last couple of weeks while they were working on this but they you [TS]

01:26:38   know they could speak a little bit and both of them like the replay guy said [TS]

01:26:42   that he thinks if anything Apple has completely undersold the graphics [TS]

01:26:48   performance of the 8x [TS]

01:26:50   that when you know from what they were doing the last couple weeks getting the [TS]

01:26:54   demo together for replay that it was way faster than what Apple the same compared [TS]

01:26:58   to iPhone sex it that's the thing about the power in these like they're putting [TS]

01:27:04   so much power and as iPad building up to the next sort of the next on a big leap [TS]

01:27:09   like they were gonna have to worry about to get a different class of applications [TS]

01:27:12   but especially for graphics performance the the the different class of [TS]

01:27:16   applications and you can get is a extremely graphic sophisticated game and [TS]

01:27:22   you're never gonna really have one of those on iPad air too because it's the [TS]

01:27:28   same reason like when you know when I go watch dogs are you know what it was like [TS]

01:27:33   you know more about us by phone but any like modern console game at the current [TS]

01:27:39   generation consoles there is no we part of those kids the Wii is standard [TS]

01:27:43   definition and incredibly weak and there is no way to scale a modern PlayStation [TS]

01:27:48   4 game that all the way down to something that's in that dark like this [TS]

01:27:53   not you can use fewer texts and lower resolution textures and the game will [TS]

01:27:57   run fine he's just not possible right you cannot take a game is getting better [TS]

01:28:00   so any game that takes full advantage of the 8x I don't know if you can make a [TS]

01:28:05   version of that game that also runs on the 249 [TS]

01:28:08   within a five and by I'd like there's nothing you can do to the game to make a [TS]

01:28:12   run on that and so like you kind of stuck you can never make you can never [TS]

01:28:17   make an app that can really take advantage of it is really happening in [TS]

01:28:20   gangs or like scientific imaging the only two things that you could do it [TS]

01:28:24   really use the GPU like that so it's kind of it's kind of a shame that you [TS]

01:28:28   know I mean I guess you can do your image effects really really fast and the [TS]

01:28:32   you know the a 52 grams affects the same ones just much slower and that's how you [TS]

01:28:37   can get away with doing something like Pixelmator on both platforms but games I [TS]

01:28:40   feel like people are stuck there that that and also if you're those type of [TS]

01:28:44   games that graphic sophistication costs so much money to make you hurt yourself [TS]

01:28:48   a lot of them and I'm not sure that the touch interface is sufficient to you [TS]

01:28:54   know to sell again like five hundred million dollar game i guess i pad I [TS]

01:29:00   don't know if you could you could sell that with if you've already sweating on [TS]

01:29:03   this is great because now that I have a 10 year old son I actually am familiar [TS]

01:29:06   with just about every title that you've mentioned including testing do you have [TS]

01:29:11   to know you know we have free access and I don't know what to do about it because [TS]

01:29:18   I kind of feel like the PlayStation 4 looks like the better the more time goes [TS]

01:29:21   on looks like it's a better platform also do you have destiny yeah we have it [TS]

01:29:25   on the Xbox yeah yeah pretty good game [TS]

01:29:30   have you played just to toy around I'm told I like the old man but it's you [TS]

01:29:40   know really really graphically an Xbox you should check Xbox Live Arcade I [TS]

01:29:44   think it was a version of Crystal Quest [TS]

01:29:47   get about it so I'm me tell you you get into a we played some stick it in any [TS]

01:29:54   way you need a mouse do they really have it and [TS]

01:29:54   way you need a mouse do they really have it and [TS]

01:30:00   yeah I believe so maybe now in the the Xbox one way back when are you there on [TS]

01:30:03   the original Xbox 360 cassidy angry nothing was the actual real company may [TS]

01:30:08   request for I do think I do think though that this is games in particular I do [TS]

01:30:15   think that they're really pushing a pull to open up the App Store 22 hardware [TS]

01:30:21   limit that app somehow you know if they already let you limited by OS [TS]

01:30:27   I just can't see why it's getting to be untenable as they extend the life of [TS]

01:30:34   these you know these devices and that's the thing that the as Alan pie called it [TS]

01:30:40   the zombie iMac that $249 retin A not render my iPad Mini the original iPad [TS]

01:30:48   Mini which is from two years ago is really from four years ago because they [TS]

01:30:55   5 system on a chip and the 512 megabytes of RAM and everything is really it's the [TS]

01:31:01   iPad 2 shrunken down like the iphone4s writer the same generation as they must [TS]

01:31:06   have been around the 4900 my iPod touches the same thing [TS]

01:31:10   512 pics from a five-point night so they've actually it's just in a weird [TS]

01:31:15   way Lake they've actually the lineup I think only has a has a 52 49 but then [TS]

01:31:24   there is no a six iPad left there already gone so it's it's like a year [TS]

01:31:33   behind an extra year behind the next step up its it's a really old piece of [TS]

01:31:39   technology and I liked and again for some this thing is every time you know [TS]

01:31:45   it all came out and now be a texture is like and the Apple TV to get playing [TS]

01:31:51   video games on your television through an Apple devices like just sitting there [TS]

01:31:55   in front of Apple for you like they've gotten him get every single piece of the [TS]

01:31:58   puzzle that just don't have the desire to do just fine I can't be in every [TS]

01:32:01   business maybe they don't feel like going into that fray but as they [TS]

01:32:05   accumulate to pieces especially with metal [TS]

01:32:07   and the Apple TV and go there on ARM chips for these crazy GPUs in them like [TS]

01:32:13   I don't necessarily recommend that they go for it but I don't think there will [TS]

01:32:16   be equipped to compete in that space but it's just so weird to see them it's kind [TS]

01:32:19   of like what it was back in the e-book the dawning of the book around 2001 2002 [TS]

01:32:25   and was like Apple's got these iPods and it got away to some things didn't get [TS]

01:32:28   online with the iTunes Store and like they have all the pieces to dominate the [TS]

01:32:33   e-book space like they're basically i think is made before the Kindle came out [TS]

01:32:37   like maybe around the same time we can go to the same things like why is Apple [TS]

01:32:41   not you know the e-book market is there for the taking for Apple to have all the [TS]

01:32:45   pieces that have the momentum they could they could do it just not interested and [TS]

01:32:49   eventually like yeah I guess we'll see books 228 Amazon most dominant player [TS]

01:32:53   and I boxes covered also ran and the gaming space obviously has been heavily [TS]

01:32:57   populated for years and years but here's apple just dutifully working to [TS]

01:33:00   essentially build the ingredients of a world-class gaming console platform and [TS]

01:33:05   then just not not doing that yeah I you said it's laying right in front of them [TS]

01:33:09   because the 8x I didn't hate is probably pretty good and you could make it [TS]

01:33:14   reasonable gaming console out of it especially with metal which you know [TS]

01:33:23   again talkin to you know developers Apple calling it ten times faster than [TS]

01:33:28   OpenGL seems fair [TS]

01:33:30   it seems like you know real world well it's 10 X in like you know if you do [TS]

01:33:36   something stupid and you just measuring draw calls to say it's a it's a micro [TS]

01:33:40   benchmark but like anything is better lol API every game console has something [TS]

01:33:44   like like Apple AAPL has done something that's that's that's the advantage apple [TS]

01:33:49   today modern apple today has is that they have enough developer support in so [TS]

01:33:53   many customers that they can get developers to use their support like the [TS]

01:33:58   part of the game engines you know the unity and unreal for engineering like it [TS]

01:34:02   will make a port solely for you know so they can sell I was right because that's [TS]

01:34:05   a that's a big market and make a lot of money off that so all those engines are [TS]

01:34:08   so yeah yeah well we'll make a part of her engine 22 metal and then everybody [TS]

01:34:12   who built games on our engine will take advantage [TS]

01:34:14   like to build a full fledged console is there had to do something like when be [TS]

01:34:19   like the lower powered like the PlayStation TV or something because [TS]

01:34:22   they're not going to compete in power with PlayStation for it but there's no [TS]

01:34:27   reason that Apple couldn't build a device that competes with the [TS]

01:34:31   PlayStation 4 it would not be just an 8x in the box but like by making the [TS]

01:34:35   addicts and metal and having a store and talking to game developers and getting [TS]

01:34:39   the engines for technology shows that if they wanted to they could make a product [TS]

01:34:44   like this that is of similar power to place it in forever the next generation [TS]

01:34:48   is and decide to compete in that space I don't they just don't want to be just [TS]

01:34:51   fine like it's all about what do you say yes to what he say it like that the [TS]

01:34:54   recent interview where you keep saying like there's plenty of things we could [TS]

01:34:58   do we have plenty of great ideas and we don't we don't not doing because we're [TS]

01:35:01   not capable of them to just choose what they want to do and thus far they have [TS]

01:35:05   not made this choice just like for all those years they chose not to enter the [TS]

01:35:08   e-book market so well or even honestly even chose not to enter the phone market [TS]

01:35:12   I mean people who were clamoring for an Apple phone ever since cellphones became [TS]

01:35:18   consumer priced items like they hadn't figured out what they wanted to do for a [TS]

01:35:24   phone you like that different competing internal products anything whereas the [TS]

01:35:27   game consoles everything I do is like we just got back into the game console like [TS]

01:35:30   everybody else like this like that don't enter the space until they feel like [TS]

01:35:33   they have something significant to the iPhone that into the phone space like [TS]

01:35:36   the Motorola ROKR but they didn't feel their own phone that was just like a [TS]

01:35:40   candy bar phone right they didn't interest base until they had something [TS]

01:35:43   even though their candy bar phone would have been the best candy bar phone they [TS]

01:35:47   just didn't ride and that would have that would have hamstrung them because [TS]

01:35:50   that would have made it interesting iPhone harder than you got a transition [TS]

01:35:53   people what about my old phone I liked it what is this new thing but a blog [TS]

01:35:56   where is the iPhone is your first phone no problems and lastly the performance [TS]

01:36:01   thing and you know again I don't often go to benchmarks when I write reviews [TS]

01:36:06   but I really just think it's so fascinating how quickly the high-end [TS]

01:36:10   iPad is gaining on [TS]

01:36:12   the low-end MacBook Airs and again it's not apples to apples cos OS 10 and iOS [TS]

01:36:18   have so many different interface things and just rules about multitasking and [TS]

01:36:23   how much stuff can be going on in the background and how much RAM you get a [TS]

01:36:26   MacBook Air was like 16 days exactly which can have an enormous performance [TS]

01:36:32   especially not not even benchmark which is real world you know [TS]

01:36:36   benchmark in a real-world advantages because when you're switching between [TS]

01:36:39   these things you know they're all still in bed and I would have to think the SSD [TS]

01:36:44   storage and there's also felt like I think this is the first generation of [TS]

01:36:46   iOS products to use PCI Express for the SSD connections I heard that is a big [TS]

01:36:52   thing I haven't seen I can I fix a tear down right that's the case for like what [TS]

01:36:55   they've been doing that on macbook air for a while but but yeah like I heard [TS]

01:36:58   again not verified it's not like somebody showed pictures of it but yes [TS]

01:37:04   somebody'd seemingly reliable said its PCI Express which is you know its [TS]

01:37:10   desktop you know in a safe Desktop class performance they were there they're [TS]

01:37:13   actually they're not hyping it they're they're being serious and that's what it [TS]

01:37:17   like that negates that type of stuff the more boring stuff if you're not playing [TS]

01:37:20   a game that thing that gives your performance on just using your iOS [TS]

01:37:24   device is a matter of memory you have and how fast are just gonna get done [TS]

01:37:28   when you're launching a pin that wouldn't happen launching this happen [TS]

01:37:30   like it's not the CBO's most spending less time waiting for i/o during during [TS]

01:37:35   those times when you're waiting yeah which is exactly why I splurged and got [TS]

01:37:39   the SST stories for the iMac I feel like my last spinning hard dress that I've [TS]

01:37:46   ever bought you know this in the past I would like mine to be in the past but [TS]

01:37:51   they're not getting the other than external drives that I would use for [TS]

01:37:54   like backup or something like that we're not going to be waiting on it as it as a [TS]

01:37:58   user even then like at work my sister useful stuff that I use my super duper [TS]

01:38:05   clone a spinning and just so painful I how long a super duper phone just [TS]

01:38:10   you know it's like region the SSD and then just like go get a coffee [TS]

01:38:15   hardest ok I read one more thing from the SSDI could just see supra do so it's [TS]

01:38:19   all a symmetrical so I would love to be on this team but unfortunately I keep [TS]

01:38:23   accumulating stuff and hit the reset button on like storage is to be scaling [TS]

01:38:29   with my with my digital Harding and the Nexus these are like oh that's just now [TS]

01:38:35   barely catching up again with one terabyte as a third brake and thank our [TS]

01:38:42   last sponsored another longtime friend of the show our good friends at [TS]

01:38:47   Squarespace and they've got a brand new Squarespace seven its all new interface [TS]

01:38:55   to Squarespace you don't have to do anything you just like a new products [TS]

01:38:59   already on Squarespace you can just stopped in to get the new interface but [TS]

01:39:05   they've done an enormous amount of work it's a huge upgrade and that all of it [TS]

01:39:10   is to make things simple simpler and easier while retaining the power and [TS]

01:39:15   complexity of the Squarespace platform right so what is it you need a website [TS]

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01:39:29   for your website for email for images logos domain new domain registration for [TS]

01:39:35   them and everything that they've learned from the millions of websites and thats [TS]

01:39:42   day of millions of websites people have built using Squarespace and they've [TS]

01:39:45   looked at where people were getting stuck with what space was before and [TS]

01:39:49   they've addressed it to some of the new features they've had in 2007 they have [TS]

01:39:53   title pages cover pages so if you wanna put like even brand your product you're [TS]

01:40:00   you're you're using Squarespace promoter Paul you got a brand new feature you can [TS]

01:40:03   add a cover page sort of like what Apple does with their home page you can have [TS]

01:40:07   a cover page that people will see and click through before they go to you know [TS]

01:40:12   your regular home page [TS]

01:40:14   all of their editing stuff they do instead of going into a separate mode [TS]

01:40:18   when you're logged in you can just drag-and-drop to edit right there on [TS]

01:40:22   your actual website it's a lot more with your website will look exactly like you [TS]

01:40:26   arrange to have one window where an editing mode and a second window where [TS]

01:40:31   it shows it and you have to keep switching between the two windows and [TS]

01:40:34   reloading see it you just do it right there in place they have new tastemaker [TS]

01:40:40   templates they're working with musicians artists architects and chefs to develop [TS]

01:40:45   new templates that cater to each of those professions so whatever field you [TS]

01:40:52   in whatever you're building a website to promote their expanding the range of [TS]

01:40:55   templates that are automatically laid out to integrate with what you need to [TS]

01:41:01   to give you an interface that's exactly what you would want if you are say [TS]

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01:41:09   that where do you go to find out more easy go to Squarespace dot com slash [TS]

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01:41:27   discount code when you sign up that's just my initials J G 10% off [TS]

01:41:32   square space.com check out all of these I can't I would take half an hour to go [TS]

01:41:37   through all these features Squarespace seven there's so many of them go there [TS]

01:41:41   check it out they've got a great great demo setup to show you all the new [TS]

01:41:44   features are better than I could describe them to go check them out at [TS]

01:41:47   Squarespace dot com slash grouper so let's talk yosemite for the rest of the [TS]

01:41:53   show my son calls it might yeah I think he says he's exactly is funny I didn't [TS]

01:42:08   think about kids but that was exactly like the people said coming out to be [TS]

01:42:11   the BBC's the keynote is people don't know how to spell yosemite people don't [TS]

01:42:15   know what he is and then when my son started talking about like it doesn't [TS]

01:42:22   really matter it's free to sell it to people I think the visual thing and if [TS]

01:42:30   it is anything that that maybe I thought you underplayed was talking about the [TS]

01:42:34   visual redesign could I know you care but it's it's also a hard thing to talk [TS]

01:42:40   about you think I underplayed I spent a lot of words and that that's like the [TS]

01:42:44   footballing a section in there could've been longer cuz you know it I guess the [TS]

01:42:53   other thing too is that you you know that they're not we're gonna have [TS]

01:42:57   something to prove it and next year's will look a little better and look a [TS]

01:43:01   little better but you know I think you know this is basically what we're [TS]

01:43:04   looking at for the next you know at least probably a decade on the Mac yeah [TS]

01:43:13   I forget what I put it in my view my cut but one of the things I mentioned in the [TS]

01:43:18   most recent ATP's like this thing that Apple does when they have a new fancy [TS]

01:43:24   design that they like I did when I was seven they did it with the original aqua [TS]

01:43:29   and and 10 they did it with you know the various looks in between like brushed [TS]

01:43:32   metal they tend to err on the side of going too far down with a look and then [TS]

01:43:38   they back it off later in response to complaints and so like I was ever in [TS]

01:43:43   recent memory where they have a super thin fonts right and everything was just [TS]

01:43:47   you know maybe a little bit too precious and the parallax effect and assuming [TS]

01:43:51   everything and so you add things to reduce motion you want a little bit and [TS]

01:43:55   you make adjustments that was most of them before release but the Aqua [TS]

01:43:59   original version of 1010 was just crazy pinstripes everywhere super glossy and [TS]

01:44:04   lickable all faded and soft lighting like everything was shot with vaseline [TS]

01:44:08   on the lands and they back that offer years hardening up the edges toning down [TS]

01:44:13   the pinstripes and then brushed metal came in and everything was freakin metal [TS]

01:44:16   version turning that down getting rid of it but like going too far and then [TS]

01:44:20   backing off is preferable to them it seems they're not going far enough [TS]

01:44:24   like being timid so there's somebody is and and a kind of damone that in their [TS]

01:44:29   view or the part that account for the review that I don't know everything [TS]

01:44:32   there anymore as saying like to be nice if we could skip that part where they go [TS]

01:44:36   too far and just go right to the park with a tone it down a little bit and [TS]

01:44:41   maybe they thought they don't know where they need to turn down like a checkbox [TS]

01:44:44   to make the menu bar not translate because the transition then your body [TS]

01:44:47   original and liberals it's crazy translucent it made everything on [TS]

01:44:50   reading and now now they feel like they have the confidence to like well this is [TS]

01:44:55   crazy out there in the public gallery thing together and is aware of contrast [TS]

01:44:59   and it was just looking money and indistinct but it won't be unreadable so [TS]

01:45:02   no more checkbox to disable that it's like you know there are places where [TS]

01:45:07   they went too far in this and there there are budget adjustments that are [TS]

01:45:11   already there but none of them sort of none of them to need to be the way we [TS]

01:45:16   hope it's going to be in the next to revision yeah that's it [TS]

01:45:18   few hours before the show started [TS]

01:45:21   lens review of yosemite motives focusing solely on the appearance and I hurt my [TS]

01:45:27   feelings that I was your favorite [TS]

01:45:30   doesn't even count anyway yeah I know I i read his thing when the originally [TS]

01:45:36   Posted by that I mean it's a similar sentiment was 10 Balboa and last 10 [TS]

01:45:41   policies are gonna look great and I think that is totally true I'm basically [TS]

01:45:46   on board [TS]

01:45:47   completely with the the basic style but there's definitely some toning back that [TS]

01:45:52   I think needs to be done [TS]

01:45:53   also my big complained that I didn't just complain about ATP is like the [TS]

01:45:56   transparency effects I spend a lot of time explaining what the different kinds [TS]

01:46:01   of transparency are how they work and here's how they're deployed in the OS [TS]

01:46:05   right and all the stuff about the rearrangements of the USA and then I had [TS]

01:46:09   a whole section called philosophy which they can try to isolate the part where [TS]

01:46:12   I'm gonna like try to contact this like here's what it is here's what it looked [TS]

01:46:16   like here is whether use it and then it's like why why why is there at all [TS]

01:46:20   what is it about what's behind my menu bar that adds to my life right and you [TS]

01:46:24   know why do I need to see that yad to see any of that right what is you know [TS]

01:46:30   like because there's always some kind of philosophy I like the original aqua it [TS]

01:46:34   was like transient elements were a translucent yes so sheets just appeared [TS]

01:46:39   briefly in go away [TS]

01:46:40   drop down menus briefing go away those are translucent it's it's a temporary [TS]

01:46:45   there's a logic to it right but on the other hand the doc which was always [TS]

01:46:50   there was also transit so it just like well a few transients cooperate and here [TS]

01:46:55   at like you know I several times I've asked Apple about the effects and during [TS]

01:46:59   the different peanuts they've said here's why we do it and they have [TS]

01:47:01   reasons behind them and had to like look at those reasons and say like is this a [TS]

01:47:05   reason for you to pollute all of my side bars with the color of the desktop [TS]

01:47:09   background like sometimes that the justification can more capital the times [TS]

01:47:14   I like I don't buy like the whole thing of making the did you know that the [TS]

01:47:18   temperature in mood here desktop background influence the look of your OS [TS]

01:47:22   sounds like you mean it is a thing that happens it works like if you if you have [TS]

01:47:26   a super orange desktop background all year you're behind the window blending [TS]

01:47:31   transition regions are going to have attention [TS]

01:47:33   your menu bar is going to be changed on all the menus that are going to be [TS]

01:47:37   tinted orange red but like I did you know that that aspect of personalization [TS]

01:47:45   like it may just twice in the face of Trance tradition or whatever they want I [TS]

01:47:50   want my cleaning beautiful interface to be on top of that I don't want the [TS]

01:47:53   desktop picture like I may like it because it's a nice picture I like it [TS]

01:47:56   but I don't like its contribution to the sidebar of my email crime to now looks [TS]

01:48:02   like a muddy rusty orange thing whereas before it was crispy text on top of a [TS]

01:48:07   background color that the app designer it changes what it means to pick a [TS]

01:48:11   desktop picture before it was ok what do I want to see when I got nothing open [TS]

01:48:14   like I'm done like let's say like as you complete your what you have to do today [TS]

01:48:19   you keep closing windows in your closing tabs and you know you can quit your [TS]

01:48:23   email cuz I'm not gonna check it again and now I've got nothing and i'm looking [TS]

01:48:26   at my desktop and this is a picture that makes me happy that's all you had to do [TS]

01:48:31   when you chose your desktop now you've gotta pick something that's going to [TS]

01:48:35   make like you said like make the sidebar in your email client look good when you [TS]

01:48:40   don't even see the desktop and then there's no point have to have to do to [TS]

01:48:43   to put in ATP times I have to do some follow-up because one guy was on last [TS]

01:48:46   week I English we talked about this week clearly confused the hell out of a lot [TS]

01:48:51   of people into because we're talking about the way that if you have like a [TS]

01:48:55   stack of white windows just like text edit documents and then you have mail in [TS]

01:49:00   front of them in the sidebar of male behind it just a white window it still [TS]

01:49:06   takes a tent from the desktop that's what does in terms of not merely making [TS]

01:49:13   any kind of logical sense in the world of physics we weren't what everybody [TS]

01:49:17   seems to think we said was that it doesn't take any cues from what's right [TS]

01:49:21   behind it so if you it's mostly it's mostly what's behind yes but that [TS]

01:49:25   touches the death it's mostly what's behind it directly in the window behind [TS]

01:49:29   it so if you have like a real vibrant purple [TS]

01:49:32   image you know grimace from McDonalds in the window behind you and your mail is [TS]

01:49:39   in front of it you're gonna have a purple sidebar but I end up a lot of [TS]

01:49:44   times with a lot of weight Windows you know editing documents and stuff like [TS]

01:49:47   that or email client or iChat [TS]

01:49:50   but but but God forbid you have like a safari window with it was like a dark [TS]

01:49:54   black blob and then some white stuffed in the black blobs are showing right and [TS]

01:49:58   if it's not like it not like an entirely black window where it just makes the [TS]

01:50:01   whole thing look great if it's just right in the middle [TS]

01:50:04   there's looks like there's so much I see it in the Messages app every day with [TS]

01:50:08   when I have transparency on because there's my blue messages are always on [TS]

01:50:14   the side and so up at the top right there's this blue propeller about it in [TS]

01:50:19   a ranging from I can enter to that doesn't extend across the whole bar and [TS]

01:50:23   it bothers the hell out of me [TS]

01:50:25   his analogy is that an ATP last night but probably should also put their view [TS]

01:50:30   but didn't solve this section on extensions and I go I go through a [TS]

01:50:35   little bit about the the old days of extensions where they were just invade [TS]

01:50:39   the memory space if you have the OS or other applications and even unto the [TS]

01:50:42   last 10 days just like you know every app launches loaded the scripting [TS]

01:50:45   edition which just like runs wild in its memory space and does some crazy hacked [TS]

01:50:49   you know and able window shade or whatever it's gonna do right and the [TS]

01:50:53   idea that you would write a program is an application developer and then you [TS]

01:50:58   would tested and debugged make sure it works correctly and then handed to [TS]

01:51:01   somebody and then someone else you'd never met write a program that invades [TS]

01:51:05   your programming changes the way it works and causes a bug in your program [TS]

01:51:08   and you get like a support ticket early hey your your your text editor has a bug [TS]

01:51:12   in like 10 I told us that doesn't like oh I'm running this extension and and [TS]

01:51:16   this thing written by someone you never met invade your application and changes [TS]

01:51:19   the way it behaves and now it's buggy you got to fix it since nineteen tenable [TS]

01:51:23   way to develop software because how can you like the halting problem how can I [TS]

01:51:27   know what's going to happen when some program I've never seen before invades [TS]

01:51:30   my programming changes the way its behaviour impossible for me to write a [TS]

01:51:33   quote unquote correct bug free program in this environment to develop the [TS]

01:51:37   designer equivalent of that is going to make an application to make it look as [TS]

01:51:42   good as I want but I have no control over what windows are behind [TS]

01:51:44   called the person desktop background as I just gotta trust Apple to try to make [TS]

01:51:48   this into something readable and then I get back to the you know why why is it [TS]

01:51:51   what is it about the sidebar like I can i can i can buy pull-down menus I can [TS]

01:51:56   buy sheets I can buy you know transient things that are floating in but the [TS]

01:51:59   sidebar seems so a part of the content of the application like maybe who has a [TS]

01:52:04   slide out drawers like the old style one that I can say with transient and maybe [TS]

01:52:07   should be translucent but there is nothing about sidebars that says to me [TS]

01:52:10   please tell me what's behind you like it they're filled with text like their [TS]

01:52:15   source list therefore text that has to be readable I do not want to be [TS]

01:52:18   distracted by the other stuff there and so i mean i i know there's no option to [TS]

01:52:23   turn it off except to turn off everywhere and I pretty much at this [TS]

01:52:25   point I feel like I can on board with the way they used translucency even with [TS]

01:52:29   the stupid tendering and all the drop them everywhere sidebar just like a [TS]

01:52:33   bridge too far the other thing I don't get I don't get the other use of it I [TS]

01:52:37   don't get the in window transparency you know like and Safari Chrome at the top [TS]

01:52:41   of this far away does the little bit more justification that of their own [TS]

01:52:46   doing as i said im pretty sure I said this interview once they made scrollbars [TS]

01:52:49   invisible the only way you have any indication that their stuff above or [TS]

01:52:53   below is if you see something truncated or if you kind of see this damn you know [TS]

01:52:57   wavy image of things that are above or below and that bothers me less because [TS]

01:53:01   two largest and have a stronger boundaries like the toolbar buttons [TS]

01:53:06   themselves don't let stuff go through on them so they're gonna be you know like a [TS]

01:53:10   dark markings on like backgrounds well-defined there's nothing in the [TS]

01:53:13   toolbar itself and I need to read this can become illegible and Mike just [TS]

01:53:19   scrolling through the review I can kinda see the reason to do this and it's one [TS]

01:53:22   of the one of the justifications of philosophy section is that this looks [TS]

01:53:25   nice like that it's fashion that its athletics and if you scroll through my [TS]

01:53:29   yosemite review and when I look at some of these screenshots I think some of [TS]

01:53:33   them are really pretty like the multiple docs for the different backgrounds or [TS]

01:53:37   even when I'm trying to show something that i think is a negative like the same [TS]

01:53:41   safari window just change tabs and it radically changes with the entire [TS]

01:53:44   interest looks like the pages are has curled up in the scrollbar that's as a [TS]

01:53:49   little bit crazy but the images beautiful I think like this has the most [TS]

01:53:52   interesting screenshots because of you know I I purposely tried to show things [TS]

01:53:57   in both [TS]

01:53:58   in the worst light like get the most ecstatically pleasing but show at the [TS]

01:54:01   extremes are i think is a really interesting thing to do it and but I can [TS]

01:54:06   only excuse it as long as it doesn't starting pitching on usability when does [TS]

01:54:10   impinge on usability a good reason other than in some scenarios looks really good [TS]

01:54:15   I know your scenario it's ugly and you can't turn it off and some scenario [TS]

01:54:18   looks good and that that hostile policy and I just I guess I like the in window [TS]

01:54:26   transparency a little bit more than the behind window transparency because [TS]

01:54:29   there's a little bit more like you said with the scrolling and a sense of their [TS]

01:54:33   stuff up there there's some kind of logic to it where is the sidebar [TS]

01:54:37   transparency is just seems mindless to me so I think and I've been as I've gone [TS]

01:54:42   full time I think probably going to run with the reduced transparency option and [TS]

01:54:52   yeah and that bothers me because I think I mean does as I point out in their view [TS]

01:54:56   it it does look ok like that like it and still as handsome it shows that this is [TS]

01:55:00   a sturdy design that does not rely on transparency parlor tricks to look nice [TS]

01:55:03   because it looks looks perfectly nice and its solid especially on gretna [TS]

01:55:07   screens with certified airlines about things that contrast is still a little [TS]

01:55:10   bit low but otherwise it shows that this they're you know they're sturdy bones [TS]

01:55:14   underneath this design but it's a shame to give up all the transparency of the [TS]

01:55:18   text I like just to save that one that I don't think the bosnian transparency and [TS]

01:55:22   accessibility preference pane and those things are there to help make the [TS]

01:55:27   interface more usable for people who need that but I feel like designers are [TS]

01:55:32   not spending as much over what things look like with that turned on by [TS]

01:55:35   third-party an apple designers like that it that it looks clunkier that looks [TS]

01:55:39   more like like the way that Windows like wow I just do this and I'm sure to look [TS]

01:55:43   funny look at it as like details are right there sweating over what it looks [TS]

01:55:46   like in the default mode I don't think people are sweating over how any [TS]

01:55:49   application looks with reduced transparency like right down to the [TS]

01:55:52   overlays for volume changing with the corners don't have transparency in some [TS]

01:55:56   situations are you saying that I don't think I should be [TS]

01:56:02   so now I now can you leave the house in on like it's it's totally counter to the [TS]

01:56:06   Super apple nerd aesthetic everything has to be beautiful and elegant like [TS]

01:56:09   that stuff like that is around if you know where to look for it because he has [TS]

01:56:13   accessibility is not meant to be like it's it's first and foremost is supposed [TS]

01:56:16   to make it more usable at the expense of you know perfect aesthetic beauty so [TS]

01:56:21   there is one of your expenses made you think more about that when you change [TS]

01:56:25   the volume and you get that they would call it the temporary over the rounded [TS]

01:56:30   corners are just filled in with black as it transpired part of whatever that [TS]

01:56:36   thing I got the call that I bet that the bug that they'll fix but it's it's a [TS]

01:56:40   definite side but that type of thing like you would a file that is a bug hey [TS]

01:56:43   when I enables accessibility options this thing doesn't look as nice they're [TS]

01:56:47   gonna be like yeah but you know it's easier to see right stuff doesn't show [TS]

01:56:52   three right that's the point of accessibility future feel free to file [TS]

01:56:56   their bikes if they could close it is BS correctly I well I like you said I would [TS]

01:57:02   love to be able to pick and choose and just turn it off in the sidebar because [TS]

01:57:04   I like the transparency on the menus I think it it makes it looks good and it [TS]

01:57:09   makes sense to me that it's temporary you know it's it's just a little thing [TS]

01:57:13   that while I choose this menu command is floating over my thing and now that [TS]

01:57:18   they're solid I just checked it right here in front of me it's doesn't look at [TS]

01:57:22   the text rendering changes especially not read the text rendering changes when [TS]

01:57:26   you go solid on the menus as well and the menus the thing about me about the [TS]

01:57:30   media's attention the desktop like I like the overlays like the volume change [TS]

01:57:34   when transparencies on the sort of Iowa 7 overlay when you put control center [TS]

01:57:38   from the but like it doesn't bring it doesn't pull any colors from your [TS]

01:57:41   desktop background just simply I am white slightly translucent with that [TS]

01:57:44   cool blur I wish them anywhere like that because all my desktop pictures are made [TS]

01:57:49   by pull-down menus uglier like I'm gonna have to change them even though I love [TS]

01:57:53   the pictures that are there just pick one that has a different dominant color [TS]

01:57:57   so that dominant color I can you know stomach with sign of an all white gold [TS]

01:58:01   diamond did you turn on [TS]

01:58:03   increase contrast haven't used it like that obviously turned on the screen I [TS]

01:58:09   feel like that one guy I know just saying it looks like system sex but it [TS]

01:58:13   looks awesome sex made by someone with not a lot of attention to detail has [TS]

01:58:16   things collide with each other in this no spaces between things they just sort [TS]

01:58:19   of drama the magic marker over the edges and don't read they don't change the [TS]

01:58:22   metrics so it's like crowded there's a whole bunch of things that I think look [TS]

01:58:26   better and a whole bunch of things that clearly look worse just in terms of [TS]

01:58:30   whether it's pleasing to me and I realize I guess this is it is under [TS]

01:58:34   accessibility for a reason I can actually see clearly how it is an [TS]

01:58:38   accessibility features for some people but I actually like some of the details [TS]

01:58:43   of it but there's others that you know I can't I don't know a kid rocket [TS]

01:58:46   full-time its and and the low contrast unlike basically the default by reading [TS]

01:58:52   a stupid Congress doesn't it remind you speaking about 25 like the days when [TS]

01:58:55   we're all using bitmap font and everything was likely you still do it [TS]

01:58:58   like a light grey text on a dark grey background and you know and and 10.4 [TS]

01:59:03   down a pixel thoughts and every like everything was super low energy you can [TS]

01:59:07   just make it so precious and beautiful but then when you when you move back [TS]

01:59:10   from the screen just faded into a uniform grey haze and you don't notice [TS]

01:59:13   it so much in Yosemite until you turn on increased contrast like whoa this [TS]

01:59:17   airlines now jump out at me and that is clear delineation than likely to our [TS]

01:59:21   buttons don't fade into the toolbar as much as they used to like it goes too [TS]

01:59:24   far in the other direction but you only noticed low contrast of Use Somebody [TS]

01:59:28   when you turn on the high ground and then turn it back off and I know that I [TS]

01:59:32   feel like I just my night vision went out and now everything is fading into [TS]

01:59:35   one big blur get one of the things that most surprised me about yosemite when [TS]

01:59:39   they unveiled at the BBC was that the general control system pressure where [TS]

01:59:47   you control the basic appearance stuff you know [TS]

01:59:50   graphite blue highlight color and stuff like that I I had my gut feeling was [TS]

01:59:55   that they were going to get rid of all that just as you know go more like Iowa [TS]

01:59:59   State we don't get the pic highlight color and I [TS]

02:00:01   unless you gonna get blue and you're gonna like it or the app is going to [TS]

02:00:05   override it you know get the pic whether you get lured grave as I like color you [TS]

02:00:10   don't get to pick the color that you know when you select tax what color is [TS]

02:00:14   the highlight of the texts that's the thing about increase contrast it changes [TS]

02:00:17   your head like yeah to something that I seemingly can't quite figure out how [TS]

02:00:22   what the rules are for I thought they were going to get rid of all that [TS]

02:00:26   because I thought that was sort of that such an old school consumer you know [TS]

02:00:32   feature you know that you get like the way Windows you still let you pick [TS]

02:00:41   everything you know you've fully designer blue with white trim or you can [TS]

02:00:47   make Windows look just truly got awful but they'd like to do it but the thing [TS]

02:00:51   they have in their the things they have in there are there for reasons that [TS]

02:00:55   haven't changed the whole reason graphite is there is because they're [TS]

02:00:59   essentially bowing to pressure from graphic designers who felt like the [TS]

02:01:02   candy colors were throwing up their color sense and they know as I think I [TS]

02:01:06   put another view this is such a multi-year big a few dollars designers [TS]

02:01:11   who are like you've got to get these candy color doctor will decide our face [TS]

02:01:15   it's totally destroying my ability to you know in the next two other colors [TS]

02:01:19   and it's something that's neutral never said find his graphite and they gave me [TS]

02:01:23   everything go blue tinge of gray which was worse I feel like throwing up color [TS]

02:01:28   balance because if you if your mind believes it actually neutral grey but [TS]

02:01:31   it's not there's more blue screen up way worse than primary colors red green [TS]

02:01:35   yellow or good but I to graze morning I loved it though it was almost as though [TS]

02:01:39   they let me pick is like right down my alley here now but like it doesn't [TS]

02:01:46   that's not really what they asked for and how now with graphite is now now [TS]

02:01:49   much more neutral grey and it's totally boring but for people who want something [TS]

02:01:52   with Nicholas sign but they went the other direction like I said ok we've got [TS]

02:01:55   blue and graphite and also but appreciate you can do this crazy dark [TS]

02:02:00   mode that we serve half-hearted they did to match our programs like again you [TS]

02:02:04   know that I asked about that they're like [TS]

02:02:06   a bunch of different reasons for a bit like the one that has the most weight is [TS]

02:02:10   like your customers want this to match the power applications that are also [TS]

02:02:14   dark because they're like they're looking at video all day and they don't [TS]

02:02:16   want the white menubar doc staring them in the face so here's a dark but I [TS]

02:02:20   thought you must have stayed up to date with the betas over the summer I thought [TS]

02:02:25   that they actually called it a dark mode and it seemed like a hint like when they [TS]

02:02:30   unveiled it on stage at the BBC that it would be almost like everything windows [TS]

02:02:35   that all sorts of stuff was going to go dark [TS]

02:02:39   well so there's a couple reasons why they didn't do that like early on in the [TS]

02:02:43   in the betas in the general control panel thing I like is the the same [TS]

02:02:47   control was there but instead of being a checkbox it was a theme pop-up menu so I [TS]

02:02:52   was like Africa with the words were like whatever word is next to the graphite [TS]

02:02:54   aqua picker and then there was another picture that it was a pop-up menu of [TS]

02:02:58   like seeing it was like regular and that became a check mark which is kind of the [TS]

02:03:03   demoted from like I would not seeming is not OST me this is just check mark [TS]

02:03:07   option that tweaks how certain things look and you can't go fold architect for [TS]

02:03:11   the same reason even just making the menu bar dark was a problem because now [TS]

02:03:14   you have all these third party and you know Apple's own in the beginning [TS]

02:03:19   menu bar icons the drawing correctly when when they drew blood draw black on [TS]

02:03:24   top of you can see anything Apple's own had to be updated in the third party [TS]

02:03:28   ones had to be updated multiply that problem by about a bazillion if you try [TS]

02:03:31   to change the entire interface too dark how many applications draw with black [TS]

02:03:34   and if you put them on a black background everything's invisible so [TS]

02:03:36   that was just not going to happen like the appearance manager in those days you [TS]

02:03:40   had ways to you know every using the appearance manager you can make sure the [TS]

02:03:45   replica and Apollo right because you didn't you if you embrace the appearance [TS]

02:03:50   manager you never pick you never said drop black tank flush or whatever they [TS]

02:03:55   give me the text color and now drawn text color and you didn't have to know [TS]

02:03:58   what text color was whereas now you see a lot you know there's clearly a lot of [TS]

02:04:03   apps that Coco was like cocoa was not made with that in mind and you know [TS]

02:04:08   certainly jobs came back [TS]

02:04:09   theme stuff was can even though the API's were still there and so like you [TS]

02:04:12   know as a talk about there was there was a brief period whereas explosion of the [TS]

02:04:15   evening [TS]

02:04:16   a community but like even though that tech was there and people took advantage [TS]

02:04:18   of a job as against it pretty much closed the door on that and now you have [TS]

02:04:22   a an ecosystem of applications that are not prepared to be on a system where the [TS]

02:04:27   system changes in radical way I mean it's hard enough for Apple when they [TS]

02:04:30   change the look to make sure like you know if you drew custom control now [TS]

02:04:33   looks wrong in everything and there's all sorts of other day and I know it's [TS]

02:04:36   even after I even know that they've cut it down it's just use dark menu bar and [TS]

02:04:41   Doc it's like the the selection cut the highlight color for them [TS]

02:04:46   menus in the in the dark mode it's not right [TS]

02:04:52   that's another you know vibrancy attempt to get in touch with the desktop [TS]

02:04:56   background but also like you know sort of inverted type thing it's it's weird [TS]

02:05:01   and sometimes little you know it looks a little sickly sometimes it doesn't you [TS]

02:05:04   know it doesn't it doesn't have the pizzazz of like their big thing in the [TS]

02:05:09   regular the regular look is this very light grey lighter than normal not a lot [TS]

02:05:13   of grading to it and this really powerful kind of like if Pepto Bismol [TS]

02:05:18   was blue instead of pink that's what the blue looks like right now it's like [TS]

02:05:22   you're really like chalky thick opaque blue and that's your highlight color [TS]

02:05:26   whereas when you go dark mode and just kind of becomes this like pale moonlight [TS]

02:05:30   shining on yours like that element is not doesn't make a powerful statement [TS]

02:05:35   yeah and it doesn't even convert the color of the text so I mean and you're [TS]

02:05:39   saying that because you're running in and graphite know that's what we're [TS]

02:05:42   talking about here [TS]

02:05:43   confused if you run in changing thinkin on graphite and change the dark mode and [TS]

02:05:47   then pull down menu and looks much marks looking stronger and yes it looks [TS]

02:05:52   horrible and grab it looks ok in blue mode but it still doesn't change the [TS]

02:05:57   color of the text though like in regular mode when you have like you you hover [TS]

02:06:01   your mouse over the New File New then new goes from being written in black to [TS]

02:06:06   being written and white because the blue is so vibrant in the dark mode they [TS]

02:06:11   don't change to like they don't convert the text it's just too close it's not [TS]

02:06:17   clear that the background is so different that you know you have to [TS]

02:06:19   infer that gets too and then it and that's the thing with the vibrancy of a [TS]

02:06:23   good showing that WWC like they would show that hey if you [TS]

02:06:26   you draw text but like it you know again the text I don't think drawn on a [TS]

02:06:31   vibrant background we will adjust the color of the text to make sure that [TS]

02:06:35   every part of the text has enough contrast to be readable and so the text [TS]

02:06:39   color changes because like behind but you can see behind the fire backgrounds [TS]

02:06:44   but I'm held behind do whether it's a window a desktop background so you can't [TS]

02:06:47   just pick one text color you have to sort of just the text color as you go [TS]

02:06:52   along in sync with the whatever is behind the to make sure that this letter [TS]

02:06:56   on the right side of this sentence is a totally different kind of miss lever [TS]

02:07:00   unless i'd be the thing that's behind us different and they're trying to finesse [TS]

02:07:03   that and and again I have to ask why what's the point of texas poker readable [TS]

02:07:08   just put it on a background when you could wear the developer of the [TS]

02:07:10   application control the foreground the background color and we can all read the [TS]

02:07:13   friggin tax I don't need to see what's behind it [TS]

02:07:16   why I i hear it I I'm surprised I'm still a little surprised that they even [TS]

02:07:23   have all these options that they didn't you say you know my way or the highway [TS]

02:07:26   and you gonna get gonna get blue indigo I get so I took us from 10.4 to 10.5 for [TS]

02:07:33   them to just like brushed metal is gone [TS]

02:07:36   pinstripes are gone there's one window style the buttons looking almost nothing [TS]

02:07:40   is too transparent that the menus I mean I remember they liked the transparency [TS]

02:07:44   of pull-down menus was so extreme in the beginning and then by the end like by a [TS]

02:07:48   leopard and Snow Leopard timeframe it was practically opaque like why bother [TS]

02:07:52   at that point like I can't see anything through this it's almost entirely opaque [TS]

02:07:55   white right so you know it in 10 points 15 expect all this exuberance to a [TS]

02:08:02   consolidated into one more conservative yet still recognizably yosemite issue [TS]

02:08:09   and there's a couple of things they get right I think the new doc is great and I [TS]

02:08:14   here's what you wrote in your review setting aside the particulars the [TS]

02:08:18   Yosemite doc exudes a visual confidence that has been sorely missed in the last [TS]

02:08:23   few releases of OS 10 like I i to me the doc exemplifies what yosemite is is [TS]

02:08:29   shooting for ya and as I said to be it the ideal scenario for you to show off [TS]

02:08:35   my brain see because the icons are so like you're not going to lose [TS]

02:08:39   no matter what crazy crap is going on with the background image of the [TS]

02:08:42   screenshot of like a look at how green it looks here look it up here the icon [TS]

02:08:45   stand so proud of that interface you're not going to get lost you're not trying [TS]

02:08:50   to read a bunch of texts and you have full freedom on that background where [TS]

02:08:54   otherwise no information be conveyed to show off the school effect that we've [TS]

02:08:57   done everything we've learned poll for a different colors in saturated it looks [TS]

02:09:01   beautiful it's interesting and it you know it conveys this is a piece of glass [TS]

02:09:07   or translucent thing laying over stuff like that is the ideal environment for [TS]

02:09:10   this for this type of fact because it doesn't impair anything at all really [TS]

02:09:15   and even like the parts are you hover and you get the text those they gave [TS]

02:09:18   dedicated backgrounds that ok well now it's time for you to read text I'm not [TS]

02:09:22   gonna mess around here I'm going to give you it is almost a fairly opaque light [TS]

02:09:26   colored background with dark you know text on top of it or the reverse and [TS]

02:09:30   dark mode to make sure you can read the text for the hunters and everything like [TS]

02:09:33   that but doc itself would be fine figure it out no more ridge's no more weird [TS]

02:09:38   frills no down nine angle and shiny things on it no reflections of the [TS]

02:09:42   windows that are going above it like it's been a long road for the dog I [TS]

02:09:46   think the Mavericks doctors and probably the best 3d doctor the kind of like that [TS]

02:09:49   that you know not brush metal across something else in the parlance of the [TS]

02:09:55   Mac but like sort of a matte finish metal type of thing the 3d effects still [TS]

02:09:59   just does not work and should never have been done but that one of the most class [TS]

02:10:03   but I was like we're done with that phase here's what the doc looks like a [TS]

02:10:07   look the same vertical and horizontal this is the doc which is kind of a shame [TS]

02:10:11   but it was never documented future anyway what was pending top and bottom [TS]

02:10:15   yea doc centered on the edge of the screen people love to paint a top or the [TS]

02:10:19   bottom I suspect that maybe one thing that they are personified get off [TS]

02:10:23   complaints about it even though it was undocumented people who have been doing [TS]

02:10:26   it and doing it since like you know whenever whenever the undocumented [TS]

02:10:29   feature was added whatever Developer Preview thats you can say it's [TS]

02:10:33   undocumented but once you've been doing it for 10 15 years as the faults right [TS]

02:10:38   thing yet did you just give it a preference was you know a preference [TS]

02:10:43   that you just put into terminal and [TS]

02:10:45   and then I remember that com com that Apple dock pinning starter and whatever [TS]

02:10:50   what's that app from the guy in Germany thats just just like a friend and all [TS]

02:10:54   the references I like secrets or just from the guy who made Quiksilver [TS]

02:10:58   internet shared database of this type of things with a million applications you [TS]

02:11:03   know either show you what those commands are or run for a I think again I i think [TS]

02:11:13   its obvious but that this interface is so clearly defined designed retina first [TS]

02:11:21   and how it looks on non random acts is you know we'll make the best of it but [TS]

02:11:27   it's so clearly a retina first design and I guess I should have it should have [TS]

02:11:34   been a sign when we saw it at the BBC it should have been a sign that read like [TS]

02:11:39   this would be the year we're gonna get red IMAX because I don't think it's a [TS]

02:11:42   coincidence that their debuting at the same time as as an interface that so [TS]

02:11:48   clearly is meant to be seen on the retina display but even if we weren't [TS]

02:11:53   getting around desktop Macs this year they still have to design a friendly gas [TS]

02:11:57   to be forward-looking no sense in making a brand new look for the Mac at this [TS]

02:12:01   point in time even if right now we're gonna go over two years you just have to [TS]

02:12:05   you have to say it like you have to be forward-looking about the SEC which is [TS]

02:12:08   why I hope to god whatever new filesystem Apple must surely be working [TS]

02:12:12   on is made entirely with SSDs in my like screw spinning disks I know this time [TS]

02:12:15   around I know people can use it for years but if you're doing something now [TS]

02:12:18   you have to be forward-looking yeah I totally agree that it's a good point [TS]

02:12:23   that it would make sense maybe even make it so that doesn't even run on an honest [TS]

02:12:28   nine assists easy to use a plus to the end of time on your spinning hard deaths [TS]

02:12:34   don't smoke them a chance to really something I think that the choice of [TS]

02:12:39   Helvetica Neue in particular is is the clearest sign that it's meant to be seen [TS]

02:12:47   on rent first cuz it as I look at yosemite on a non it's the type that [TS]

02:12:52   really annoys people upset that I didn't make more of that in my review and the [TS]

02:12:58   reunited make marvelous excite truly believe most people will not even notice [TS]

02:13:02   I know that is inconceivable to those of us who are like diapers and I'm not even [TS]

02:13:05   that big of time murder but it bothers me on random acts and it's not like and [TS]

02:13:10   you might you might have not read the max for a while right but like but even [TS]

02:13:15   I i'm not as bothered by it as you aren't as many BR but I truly think [TS]

02:13:19   regular people will just absolutely not noticed the text even if you put side by [TS]

02:13:24   side they know people are just not sensitive maybe if you had changed like [TS]

02:13:29   brush Script alike you know Cairo people would notice but not noticed you change [TS]

02:13:35   from one sensor on to another cycle notice I noticed that it's not really a [TS]

02:13:41   vatican noise it's it's a system fun I found where it lives must be somewhere [TS]

02:13:46   in / library and used to be available in the File menu in the early eighties when [TS]

02:13:51   they took it out of there but yes hiding in the end and 21 not for any reason [TS]

02:13:55   like makes sense sir Michael well we want to make a readable system because [TS]

02:14:00   they had to make the metrics match so it's kind of it's kind of perverted by [TS]

02:14:02   the need to match metric so I think it's basically a clearer than it needs to be [TS]

02:14:07   so it's the same with our closest possible I think that's exactly it's [TS]

02:14:12   well and it works a little better and it's a little bit of a concession or not [TS]

02:14:17   even a little bit I actually know that they spent an awful lot of time once [TS]

02:14:20   they decide okay we're gonna go to have addict and we still got all of these nan [TS]

02:14:24   Ren maximum support for years to come and in some cases they might even be [TS]

02:14:28   selling for years to come [TS]

02:14:30   right you know who knows when the Mac Pro is going to be able to support Apple [TS]

02:14:35   branded retina displays [TS]

02:14:37   MacBook Air rumors say is gonna go read there soonish but it's you know it's [TS]

02:14:45   gotta support on rent them for a long time they spend a lot of time tweaking [TS]

02:14:50   the metrics not just to make it match loosen up but also to make sure that as [TS]

02:14:57   you know that it at the sizes that it's used as a system fun that it hits the [TS]

02:15:02   pics are boundaries as often as possible [TS]

02:15:05   hello and hello becomes just one big indistinct blurred looks like I'm really [TS]

02:15:09   sick capitalized or something right I get my favorite example so there's a lot [TS]

02:15:13   of a lot of apps it's a standard menu and cocoa the Format menu in the menu [TS]

02:15:18   bar if you look at least on a Retina display and I don't have a yosemite [TS]

02:15:22   non-random retina display at least the are in the end there's clearly some [TS]

02:15:28   space between them whereas if you just open a text edit documents at the fun [TS]

02:15:32   tell him that i annoy like 1618 or whatever it is and type the word format [TS]

02:15:37   are in the AM gonna touch and it's gonna look you know unless you know you know [TS]

02:15:42   it's just one of those you just have to know the word you can't tell which ones [TS]

02:15:45   the AM in with you know it all looks like a bunch of humps next to each other [TS]

02:15:49   and not a ligature you don't think it's not just that it's that the default [TS]

02:15:54   caring for Helvetica Neue is tight enough that the Word format at that size [TS]

02:15:58   is gonna blur together which is one of those things that people don't like it [TS]

02:16:03   don't like what else like the word window even is sort of currents [TS]

02:16:10   differently if you use real Helvetica Neue you know the way that the W [TS]

02:16:15   Slam tennis at the W you know has space next to it with the eye that the the [TS]

02:16:19   dialogue is it gonna get lost in the W [TS]

02:16:22   it's very thoughtful I makes me wonder why they don't use that I guess it's [TS]

02:16:27   cause of the metrics why like on Iowa State is used Helvetica Neue there's no [TS]

02:16:31   special version of it for the system fun to my knowledge and i was line has [TS]

02:16:37   essentially these on the iPad Mini yeah waistline has been in red no longer [TS]

02:16:43   comfortable [TS]

02:16:45   you know again forward-looking like to make these devices there there are going [TS]

02:16:49   to be ready soon enough because the screen just enough we know we can do it [TS]

02:16:53   design and interface specially designed interface that is aimed at a World [TS]

02:16:59   barreled into icy road because they're going to be that way really soon yeah [TS]

02:17:02   Fisher syllabus whipped and will call the show because it's been a long time [TS]

02:17:10   but I i from your review here from my notes on page 16 year old among a [TS]

02:17:16   certain set of Mac enthusiasts it was a point of pride to have many rows of [TS]

02:17:20   icons filling the startup screen that's a reference to the classic Mac OS where [TS]

02:17:25   the whole section where you're talking about old style extensions that just ran [TS]

02:17:30   into memory space of every app or in the system space you know the system as [TS]

02:17:35   always all the same system and i was just wondering memory region carved up [TS]

02:17:41   into pieces and I made me laugh because I remember thinking about that [TS]

02:17:46   like when I first started becoming a Mac nerd it was absolutely a point of pride [TS]

02:17:50   to have as many of those possible but there there was like if you kept going [TS]

02:17:55   and became more informed a little bit more mature it started becoming at the [TS]

02:18:00   highest levels it became more of a point of pride to have its few of those things [TS]

02:18:03   is possible that the pride in having a lot of them wasn't so much that your [TS]

02:18:08   machine Michelle tricked out but that you had figured out the correct low [TS]

02:18:10   daughter and incompatibility that you can actually run this many and they all [TS]

02:18:14   worked because there was always likely gotta love this first and this has to be [TS]

02:18:17   here and these two are talking about a lazy enabled us when you have to disable [TS]

02:18:20   these do but this when you can still keep moving after that like it's a [TS]

02:18:23   conflict catcher is made for like that not only did you had all the software [TS]

02:18:28   that you had figured out how to make it into a stable system and then yet [TS]

02:18:31   eventually you get sick of spending your time playing with conflict catcher you [TS]

02:18:35   like to really need Adobe Type Manager doing really really need to have any fun [TS]

02:18:38   still actually like you know something's gotta go [TS]

02:18:41   managers big so a team goes out the door as she always had to run a 10 doing I [TS]

02:18:47   was doing design work but ATM was a good example where is the character we had [TS]

02:18:52   everybody I mean it shipped from Adobe with like I think the tilde character [TS]

02:18:55   and front like the extension till killed the ATM because on the old Mac OS till [TS]

02:19:01   this sorted alphabetically first because it had to load first or was it last but [TS]

02:19:09   did you know that and and putting funny characters pretty things in your Apple [TS]

02:19:14   menu folder how many items sold it to me [TS]

02:19:17   yeah but that was a very different world tonight but that if you live through [TS]

02:19:23   that you you understand like the whole thing with extensions like I was someone [TS]

02:19:33   down the whole time right and we're all that we were on ways to extend the [TS]

02:19:37   system like keyboards or like bad having share powell's include our stuff in it [TS]

02:19:41   all these things like ammonia way do so that it may be a way to do it for iOS [TS]

02:19:45   right but on a Mac even an OS 10 we don't have these memory patching [TS]

02:19:49   essential we had we had all sorts of people have found ways using simple [TS]

02:19:52   extensions or remark injected get your coat in there like this automatic needed [TS]

02:19:57   extensions I was 10 has extensions and the reason that Apple said we're gonna [TS]

02:20:01   make the suspension system priority is going to be safe and sandbox know that [TS]

02:20:04   you know things are doing we're also gonna do it for the Mac because this [TS]

02:20:08   part of the unification of the platform why should we not have you can't deceive [TS]

02:20:13   can't be sorting out ways to extend again to craft your way and it's kind of [TS]

02:20:18   dangerous but we don't need to bother with that number ttyl max anyway the new [TS]

02:20:21   Apple is it we have an awesome way to make extensions were gonna deployed [TS]

02:20:26   everywhere the Mexican again I was gonna get it if there's a way to do it on the [TS]

02:20:29   watch that's going to get it too and that's that's a different philosophy and [TS]

02:20:33   like if you lived through the bad old days of these are two rows of icons you [TS]

02:20:37   understand and deepen your bones what is wrong with letting other people software [TS]

02:20:40   enter your memories racing school with your applications and so any type of [TS]

02:20:45   extension mechanism that avoids all those evils yes please bring it to the [TS]

02:20:48   Mac not because we can't get [TS]

02:20:50   you know extensions now we have all these weird extensions that can do weird [TS]

02:20:53   things your Mac even in August and we just want better ones we don't we don't [TS]

02:20:57   want to be one never want to be close to re-creating that bad old world of those [TS]

02:21:00   those rows of icons yeah we want the future and it's but we don't know if [TS]

02:21:05   you're technically informed at all you don't want the buggy ramifications and I [TS]

02:21:12   backed off like I used a lot more memory passing mention the early days of those [TS]

02:21:16   10 lot of it to you know backfill functionality that wasn't in the OS [TS]

02:21:19   itself and I just slowly pair of those things down like I ran application [TS]

02:21:23   extent answer AP from the insanity guys around for years and years within a [TS]

02:21:27   certain point it was like enough is enough [TS]

02:21:30   I'm only using it for 12 things I can't live without them like a window shades [TS]

02:21:34   last month ago so I really truly love that I wish I could get it back now but [TS]

02:21:37   clean hooks into the OS but the real API is that don't involve invading memory [TS]

02:21:42   space of another process that's what we've always wanted the whole time and [TS]

02:21:46   now Apple's only providing that so I hope every every existing Apple [TS]

02:21:50   mechanism is there still wants Apple supported ones like a no text input [TS]

02:21:54   methods and also those things that actually will load you put something in [TS]

02:21:56   a special folder you lunch application and the friendly cocoa frameworks will [TS]

02:22:00   look in that folder thing and loaded into the application and you're supposed [TS]

02:22:02   to be well behaved and not do anything nasty and you know but like not supposed [TS]

02:22:07   to implement something that changes when you double-click at the top of any [TS]

02:22:12   window yeah but like once you're in there like that's why you know scripting [TS]

02:22:15   additions were like a gateway into the thinkers simple extensions like you know [TS]

02:22:20   we have all these things but some of them are officially out even like the [TS]

02:22:24   menu bar icons someone was trying to correct me if I'm pretty sure someone [TS]

02:22:28   can send a correction to you that if you write a badly behaved menu bar you know [TS]

02:22:33   I contact thing you can press a crash system UI server because you're kind of [TS]

02:22:36   in the mix their maybe maybe that's not the case now if you'd asked at a bar set [TS]

02:22:40   of the item instead of the new actress thing that supposed to be undocumented [TS]

02:22:45   but there's still lots of officially supported Apple things where you can get [TS]

02:22:49   your code into someone else's memory space and all those mechanisms I would [TS]

02:22:52   like them to make [TS]

02:22:53   a officially supported you know separate process extension mechanism like all [TS]

02:22:58   that you know the ones that are near 70 because I like all that functionality [TS]

02:23:01   elected even better if you can make it safer so that badly behaved extension [TS]

02:23:05   can crash my appt the the part of your review that I thought I was a little [TS]

02:23:11   surprised he spent as much space on it was swift and after reading it made all [TS]

02:23:18   the sense in the world and I thought it was really really good I thought it was [TS]

02:23:20   you know but that's why I like your reviews is your you always surprise me [TS]

02:23:24   with something good I didn't anticipate your writing that much about swift [TS]

02:23:27   because I didn't see swift as you seventy feature I just saw it as [TS]

02:23:30   something that coincidentally was it 2014 thing that Apple did and you know I [TS]

02:23:35   S 870 just happened to be the first new OS is that you know that you can right [TS]

02:23:40   now that's like an ATP like I found myself in WVC sitting in metal sessions [TS]

02:23:47   and taking notes right like what am I doing this isn't this is an interesting [TS]

02:23:51   technology medals for iOS only like why am I even bought but like it's because I [TS]

02:23:55   was starting to view everything that Apple did not as like oh this is a Mac [TS]

02:24:00   technology this is an Irish technology but like these are Apple's platform [TS]

02:24:03   technologies and even though medals in on the Mac now there's no reason it [TS]

02:24:06   can't be in the future and even though so after not specific to extend its just [TS]

02:24:09   as applicable to a standard that is the iOS right i mean the other reason of [TS]

02:24:13   course I made as a big section of this is the two recent one there's always [TS]

02:24:17   something that I put in their view that I know almost nobody cares about the [TS]

02:24:21   data right oblique the disproportionate amount about maybe not as much as I like [TS]

02:24:25   you know I read a whole section on launch day at one point no one has been [TS]

02:24:28   launched except for me so you know like that it was interesting to me and I like [TS]

02:24:33   I I give myself that I in the second thing is cuz I have a personal history [TS]

02:24:36   with like the whole clamoring for a new language and everything and I have my [TS]

02:24:40   say I was going to do it and I always tell people I think your take is [TS]

02:24:44   interesting and it's the reaction that people at large have had to Swift is [TS]

02:24:49   curious to me because I see an awful a person's WBC and continuing until now I [TS]

02:24:55   see an awful lot of criticism [TS]

02:24:58   from developers of about swift it to me just seems uncalled for [TS]

02:25:05   like it's it's the first version they just came out with it it's going to get [TS]

02:25:09   better [TS]

02:25:10   like all programming languages do like the thing is though is that they're [TS]

02:25:15   showing it to us by Apple standards extraordinarily early and letting us [TS]

02:25:21   learning are here is what we're thinking you know here's our idea for the next [TS]

02:25:25   generation language for writing apps for our platforms in a very early stage and [TS]

02:25:30   then they they've already incorporated a slew of feedback from the outside its it [TS]

02:25:36   to me in a broad sense it's exactly what we've a lot of us have been hoping to [TS]

02:25:40   see from Apple not just regarding developer tools but just Apple in [TS]

02:25:43   general of don't don't be sad you read about this in numerous times they don't [TS]

02:25:48   just take seven smart people and put them aside and let them work for five [TS]

02:25:51   years and come out with a thin because no matter how smart they are how [TS]

02:25:55   talented they are they're going to have their own personal idiosyncrasies are [TS]

02:25:59   are going to lead them to overlook certain things you know that that they [TS]

02:26:04   wouldn't if it was exposed to the world at large but now he you know they've [TS]

02:26:08   they've finished in they've given it to us and here it is right like if they had [TS]

02:26:12   been working on swift for another two years and then came out with it but said [TS]

02:26:16   this is it final [TS]

02:26:18   it wouldn't have incorporated all sorts of things that they're incorporating and [TS]

02:26:21   about it but they're getting they're getting flak for it like the fact that [TS]

02:26:25   it's changed so much just since WWDC well I think you've kind of made their [TS]

02:26:29   arguing for them in some respects this two-part this one is a lot of things [TS]

02:26:33   about swift are not are fundamental to the philosophy embody byline which [TS]

02:26:38   mostly having to do with like how how how method calls are bound to like it [TS]

02:26:43   what implementation happens when I call this method are basically method calls [TS]

02:26:46   instead of message-passing order philosophically late binding versus only [TS]

02:26:50   binding and swift is dead bodies have everything statically figured out you [TS]

02:26:53   know what code what could you know you type something here looks like a [TS]

02:26:56   function call what implementation is actually runs with wants to know compile [TS]

02:27:00   time Objective C its runtime is like our dynamic dispatch I can figure out what [TS]

02:27:05   it is you can do method swiveling you can [TS]

02:27:07   for method names out of strings and call them that philosophical divide is not [TS]

02:27:12   something that's going to be changed with the tweak to language no swift can [TS]

02:27:15   use the Objective C wrong time as you if you object knows all the stuff that [TS]

02:27:20   philosophical divide dynamic versus static that's that's just an a an honest [TS]

02:27:26   difference between people who like that aspect of Objective C and the people who [TS]

02:27:29   design swift for saying that type of town guests back to makes whole classes [TS]

02:27:34   optimization impossible for us because we can't see through the call boundary [TS]

02:27:37   to understand how we can optimize across across that call is we don't even know [TS]

02:27:41   what the hell's going to call and so that's a philosophical difference in no [TS]

02:27:45   matter week is gonna change and the second thing is the idea that they're [TS]

02:27:47   putting it out early and doing doing these two weeks today that the minor [TS]

02:27:50   details and stuff like that you know the complaint against that possibly by [TS]

02:27:55   different people you know I really can't win here to please everybody is that [TS]

02:28:00   place which is great and all but it would have been like they think that it [TS]

02:28:04   was basically these guys going off and some smart guys came out with this thing [TS]

02:28:07   we really would have loved to have you had built a major application with this [TS]

02:28:11   language first and then presented to us like give you a dog food today [TS]

02:28:14   longer because if your dog food and you would have found all the same exact [TS]

02:28:18   things were finding like how many times they tweaked out interacts with like a [TS]

02:28:21   core foundation in Objective C API like the various idioms of how'd because they [TS]

02:28:26   didn't write no new framework they need his language or existing frameworks in [TS]

02:28:30   the end it's not quite an exact match they have to come up with conventions [TS]

02:28:33   like when you call one of these things we're gonna do this summer and like all [TS]

02:28:36   these different dimensions how to handle in a terrible grammar errors and mapping [TS]

02:28:40   between optionals which exists in swift and like nail and optional like that in [TS]

02:28:45   Objective C how to be crosses boundaries if they had used swift to write a major [TS]

02:28:50   application that this is so the argument goes they would have figured a lot of [TS]

02:28:55   stuff out on their own instead of bringing out bringing out to a so early [TS]

02:28:59   it seems like this has kept him really private to a small group of people and [TS]

02:29:02   now you're throwing on top of us go it's not ready now that's kind of self [TS]

02:29:06   countries I want you want you want to really do want to be done [TS]

02:29:09   you don't you want to have feedback but different people want different things [TS]

02:29:13   is not like a single person is trying to ask people to do things that are [TS]

02:29:17   completely contradictory its different groups of people on different things so [TS]

02:29:20   yeah I mean I think I think it would look like in 1989 whatever I wanted to [TS]

02:29:26   see it looks like now and like the end that the pace of development of [TS]

02:29:29   electricity has accelerated so much in the past few years that I'm willing to [TS]

02:29:33   give swift a lot of leeway to get things right but philosophically speaking if [TS]

02:29:39   you have a disagreement like you know the dynamic dispatch anything like that [TS]

02:29:42   that I don't see you know that's just going to have to be in a disagreement I [TS]

02:29:46   don't think that's going to change that much you know 'cause that's like the [TS]

02:29:49   ideas like is a dynamic by defaulting to get tied down or sit static by default [TS]

02:29:53   and you can make it dynamic and very much and then the campus static by the [TS]

02:29:57   fault and you have the ability to make certain things dynamic and other people [TS]

02:29:59   I know you got the default should be the other way but it's a comin for ya [TS]

02:30:04   reading your your review and and what you had to say about swift and I i love [TS]

02:30:09   it to me it's it's you know the right way to have about this like you even [TS]

02:30:14   admit that there's aspects of the language that you as a programmer aren't [TS]

02:30:18   your liking [TS]

02:30:19   you're not you don't like having you know the Senate typing but you don't you [TS]

02:30:29   don't take that as therefore it bad right [TS]

02:30:32   statically typed languages or bad it is a perfect you know that's so much of the [TS]

02:30:37   internet is is not being able to acknowledge ok I disagree with that I [TS]

02:30:41   dislike that but that I i cant knowledge that that is a valid valid philosophy to [TS]

02:30:48   house and especially since they stated their goals this is the type of language [TS]

02:30:53   we want to make and you can evaluate how well this is achieved their own stated [TS]

02:30:57   goals and then you can also like like it a lot of the argument against website [TS]

02:31:01   maybe you disagree with the goals then fine then what you say is you should [TS]

02:31:04   never tried to make a language that is is convened a scripting language but you [TS]

02:31:08   can write how s because you you make a crappy like a jack of all trades master [TS]

02:31:12   of none like feel free to argue with the premises in the mission statement but [TS]

02:31:15   that is a separate argument which you can have from if I accept this mission [TS]

02:31:19   statement you know how well this will fulfill that mission and what were the [TS]

02:31:25   how to do it like that the most interesting thing to me because I think [TS]

02:31:28   the mission is incredibly ambitious like I said [TS]

02:31:30   only an apple move like it is very gutsy and very ambitious and not cuz it's not [TS]

02:31:35   doing whatever it seemed really wanted to like just make me a better nicer [TS]

02:31:39   Objective C that's all I want don't try to make some crazy language that you [TS]

02:31:42   think you can use for everything I could you could you know because if you look [TS]

02:31:45   at the software stack like you have things that are written in C and even in [TS]

02:31:49   C++ and then you have things that are in Objective C and why are these three [TS]

02:31:53   languages there well for the really low level stuff like the current all in like [TS]

02:31:56   it maybe even like you know CoreFoundation and then we have the C [TS]

02:32:00   and C++ of those things but them like the higher-level former soldier in [TS]

02:32:03   Objective C and so if the saying why can't we have one language that spans [TS]

02:32:06   the whole range of 19 which may be wrong about the colonel in just yet but we [TS]

02:32:10   could have really wanted to because we wouldn't have to worry about a [TS]

02:32:13   performance hit right because it can be as fast as a low-level languages but it [TS]

02:32:17   can go all the way up to hey you just want a bunch of stuff and you know you [TS]

02:32:20   wanna do you know [TS]

02:32:22   hashed bang user been swift and just start typing and you want to create you [TS]

02:32:26   want to create a string just by typing you know quotation mark [TS]

02:32:31   here's the string like all the things we love about JavaScript Perl or Python and [TS]

02:32:38   make one language its fans that whole range because it's an ambitious goal and [TS]

02:32:42   it would be great for Apple they can pull it off like hey finally we don't [TS]

02:32:45   have to hire C developer C++ object to see developers and maintaining compile [TS]

02:32:50   data compiled three different standards yes i-ninety diocese lost 11 and [TS]

02:32:54   whatever the hell we doing to Objective C if we just make one language that we [TS]

02:32:58   control everything about that it's our thing that spans the entire range of [TS]

02:33:00   things [TS]

02:33:01   boy wouldn't that be amazing and maybe they're biting off more than they can [TS]

02:33:04   chew but I admire the ambition and my question is how the hell you gonna do [TS]

02:33:07   that and so I wanted to delve into how do you make a language is easy to make [TS]

02:33:12   the parts that you type like you could just a blah blah blah our language will [TS]

02:33:15   have this here's the key word here is a syntax and then go to track empower them [TS]

02:33:19   extends out into code that runs that's the hard part you know how do you how do [TS]

02:33:23   you get from something looks like JavaScript up early review Python but as [TS]

02:33:27   fast to see and that's what I spent the entire second was rude delving into [TS]

02:33:31   because I think it's interesting and definitely a change of pace from the way [TS]

02:33:36   Apple has done to you know compiler software [TS]

02:33:39   and certainly a change of pace from the way JavaScript when times are [TS]

02:33:42   implemented or Java runtime certainly Ruby Python Perl that stuff yeah it's [TS]

02:33:47   it's evident and it's funny because you know so many Apple employees are just [TS]

02:33:52   never in public and never named and you know how they're inside the company but [TS]

02:34:00   you know because Chris Lattner started LVM project outside Apple you know and [TS]

02:34:06   then they marlys it wasn't a company is an open source project but they [TS]

02:34:10   effectively Akwa hired him when they bought it you know they effectively [TS]

02:34:15   bought the open source project when they brought him on board but he's you know [TS]

02:34:20   that's clearly to be you know it's very obvious like you said that there have [TS]

02:34:24   been in the rate of change of objective see improvements over the last few years [TS]

02:34:28   has been impressive well it coincides with the LLVM here and they got the [TS]

02:34:34   complaint they took control of the compiler brother you know what they've [TS]

02:34:38   shown in control the key technologies for a platform to compile is one of [TS]

02:34:40   those technologies wire using gcc it's hampering our ability to extend the [TS]

02:34:44   language temporary and optimizes hampering their ability to make sure I D [TS]

02:34:47   that is multi multi year transition slowly slowly getting away from Dec to [TS]

02:34:53   be fully on LVM based compiler and then like they're off to the races and it's a [TS]

02:34:57   you said you have to look back to what are the goals of the project GCC is a [TS]

02:35:01   fantastic project it is one of the most successful computer science projects in [TS]

02:35:07   history but its stated goal is to be a universal compiler for any and all [TS]

02:35:13   platforms and the fact that it succeeded at that is why it was there for next to [TS]

02:35:19   use when they started bolting on Objective C features to see back in the [TS]

02:35:25   eighties it's the fact that GCC was there and aimed to be universal was the [TS]

02:35:32   reason that they can get it to work but then the fact that it's universal and [TS]

02:35:36   it's apparently convolution oh really really impenetrable old code base [TS]

02:35:42   eventually just really hampered their ability to move forward and it was also [TS]

02:35:47   old like as an old code base and and and anything you did its kind of do anything [TS]

02:35:52   W three see you know anything you did icon has to be your needs aren't the [TS]

02:35:57   only needs here there are other stakeholders you gotta have to get [TS]

02:36:00   agreement from all parties involved in this is a thing that you want to do [TS]

02:36:03   because there's just one codebase whereas Apple doesn't anyone's ok to do [TS]

02:36:06   it the hell they want with their compiler and it's not quite like that [TS]

02:36:10   those clang and that's not that's a C C++ compiler those are open source there [TS]

02:36:14   are other people that are using them Apple can just do whatever the hell they [TS]

02:36:17   want with that type of things that made it up with a forecast of the people of [TS]

02:36:20   their sentence that there but thus far Swift is not open source and not open [TS]

02:36:25   that's another issue people out with language it's entirely there's I don't [TS]

02:36:30   know if that will change in the future I know there are people inside Apple who [TS]

02:36:33   wanted to be open source but there are you know that is not high on their [TS]

02:36:36   priority list apparently like right now they just get out the door get get [TS]

02:36:41   yosemite out the door [TS]

02:36:42   get the language in ship shape and then revisit this issue in the future I don't [TS]

02:36:46   think they're do anything like that until it settles down and tell us you [TS]

02:36:51   know swift of this year is nearly identical to Swift last year to say I [TS]

02:36:56   don't think they need to like that that is I can understand that desire to do [TS]

02:37:01   that like the motivation like what makes you feel like let's just you know was [TS]

02:37:04   tabled until we get our stuff together [TS]

02:37:07   compared to WebKit WebKit was like you know open because it came from Kate's [TS]

02:37:13   email it was always open and did it didn't impact like we don't wanna make [TS]

02:37:16   you don't want to show it to the world [TS]

02:37:18   cells now they show it to the world as soon as a noun Safari and it was [TS]

02:37:21   definitely shaky and we are not doesn't seem to have hurt web development so I [TS]

02:37:24   think it can be done is just a question of the question of priorities and like [TS]

02:37:29   their Apple has never been the greatest open-source citizen in terms of like you [TS]

02:37:32   have complete access to our repository c/o changes in real time they just dumps [TS]

02:37:36   like them do their work it's hidden away and then they released a product based [TS]

02:37:39   on an is an open-source dump and that is not really the way that everyone wants [TS]

02:37:46   open source said sure better than ever changing the code all the gist of it is [TS]

02:37:51   the more I learn about swift and you know get past the intro you know chapter [TS]

02:37:57   one of the script programming book just hello world I programs it's it's evident [TS]

02:38:03   that it is exactly what you would think it is it's a language designed by a [TS]

02:38:07   compiler guy which is interesting I compile a guy who'd like C++ a little [TS]

02:38:13   bit [TS]

02:38:13   clearly comes through a little bit of the amazon has the bus + like it's [TS]

02:38:20   obviously everyone they use anyone anyone who uses any language for a long [TS]

02:38:26   period of time comes to hate that language but also kind of like it a lot [TS]

02:38:31   longer use it the more you just like the part that you hate is great and you but [TS]

02:38:34   you also kind of like it so it's like Swift has a lot of the things in a year [TS]

02:38:38   like this person clearly hates a lot of features about C++ but also kinda think [TS]

02:38:42   some of them are kind of okay and just like just like boy which they have been [TS]

02:38:45   done differently [TS]

02:38:46   yeah but it's it's it's so obvious I think the details you delve into make a [TS]

02:38:51   lot of these things clear where it's never academically precocious it's not [TS]

02:38:57   this is clever this you know which is when you and I were younger lot of the [TS]

02:39:01   new languages where we're doing her small talker list yeah exactly the [TS]

02:39:06   mathematical error haskell these days well list predates us fruitless from the [TS]

02:39:10   fifties but there in that that that whole derivatives that whole realm of [TS]

02:39:15   languages Dylan's a perfect example cuz it was I think it came up in the [TS]

02:39:19   nineties but you know it was academically interesting but it was [TS]

02:39:23   curious viewpoint on something like how and how would you make mac toolbox calls [TS]

02:39:29   from Delon try to pursue it as like the whole purpose of this languages like you [TS]

02:39:33   have to we have to be able to call into the both of you know what they're [TS]

02:39:37   calling it a C C++ and Objective C frameworks that already exist [TS]

02:39:40   alright so you know we have to be able to work with like NSObject in the [TS]

02:39:43   Objective C runtime and by the way we also even though it's a memory safe [TS]

02:39:47   thing by the fall they also have to wait to do it [TS]

02:39:49   unsafe point because sometimes we do that like totally pragmatic music and [TS]

02:39:54   can't afford to do anything else like the mission statement is to be his [TS]

02:39:56   language expands your dreams and its fans huge range because guess what Apple [TS]

02:40:01   has a bunch of existing code [TS]

02:40:03   in that huge rain and if you want to interface with it or someday replace [TS]

02:40:06   that you have to spend the same range and they get to use three languages you [TS]

02:40:09   get four languages are depending on you can't like you know C++ C Objective C [TS]

02:40:15   and unlike shell scripting or Python or whatever you want to try to spend that [TS]

02:40:20   whole range you're gonna have to be pragmatic about what you're willing to [TS]

02:40:24   do to your beautiful language and it's you know a lot of the languages that are [TS]

02:40:28   popular were not designed by compiling slurry wall was not a compiler you know [TS]

02:40:34   he was a replacement for like a bunch of shell scripts and you know Dr and said [TS]

02:40:40   talk and you know is I would just he more or less it was here's the syntex [TS]

02:40:45   I'd like to be able to write to do these things and then he made a thing that did [TS]

02:40:48   them and I think you know you said on ATP than a lot of sin for decades after [TS]

02:40:54   there's a lot of work of all how do we make this crazy language fast not so [TS]

02:40:58   much repairable JavaScript syntax looks kinda like john was not really and by [TS]

02:41:03   the way will make some way to run it right and it adds there was no [TS]

02:41:06   consideration to how to make it fast and then the result was an interesting [TS]

02:41:09   language that was pretty approachable for most people who can program and that [TS]

02:41:13   was dreadfully slow and it's been said millions of dollars and fight for 345 [TS]

02:41:20   major generations of how are we actually going to run JavaScript you know to get [TS]

02:41:25   to where we are today where it runs at a reasonable speed whereas swift you know [TS]

02:41:29   being written by a compiler guy maybe the preeminent compiler guy in the world [TS]

02:41:33   today has just reached from top to bottom of this is going to be fast and [TS]

02:41:39   she was written by compiling I still like the languages that look like [TS]

02:41:42   portable assembly like where you can see where a massive it's not that rare for [TS]

02:41:46   Lancashire written by compiling I but it's rare for a high-level language [TS]

02:41:49   right well that's exactly it that's exactly it where it [TS]

02:41:52   facts he looks like it's written by a compiler because it looks that it looks [TS]

02:41:56   like compiler input looks like like an intermediary form you could even squint [TS]

02:42:03   at it and see the assembly code that corresponds a special disc CD is back in [TS]

02:42:07   the day yeah especially if you look at older seko [TS]

02:42:11   you know from the seventies and eighties before it some of the you know slightly [TS]

02:42:15   higher level features I got added you know later versions [TS]

02:42:20   it on its sleeve it's it's you know this is made to be easy to compile and you [TS]

02:42:26   shouldn't you should read you probably didn't because really long but one of [TS]

02:42:29   the things one of the many many many things are going to review was a link to [TS]

02:42:32   that awesome WebKit blog post about the fourth fourth tier LVM optimizer for [TS]

02:42:39   JavaScript try actually reading the whole article because they like they [TS]

02:42:44   take you through it it's really really well written and they really just a [TS]

02:42:47   piece at a time and you probably got like 50% 60% through it and realize the [TS]

02:42:51   haven't even gotten to the part that tells you the new thing they did [TS]

02:42:53   everything they've described so far that is blowing your mind is existing [TS]

02:42:57   JavaScript optimization features they haven't even gotten to the fourth tier [TS]

02:43:00   part like the hoops to jump through May JavaScript fast just to make your head [TS]

02:43:05   spin like every one of them seem so incredibly dangerous that they will be [TS]

02:43:09   invisible to try and seems impossible to get everybody to work and yet that's her [TS]

02:43:13   all running on our web browsers and it's on every platform every day every piano [TS]

02:43:21   and probably mean right I don't see any way out of it for the rest of her life [TS]

02:43:25   JavaScript is gonna be a part of my life on the planet living for a long time but [TS]

02:43:29   you gotta go with dark and everything like people that runs out of time to [TS]

02:43:33   time if anybody ever gets like like you know Bitcoin ever ever gets hundreds [TS]

02:43:38   more than 50% of the compute power of anyone ever gets like dominant market [TS]

02:43:42   share my brothers again which doesn't look like it's gonna happen but hey who [TS]

02:43:45   knows they could replace they know someone could seize the moment until I [TS]

02:43:49   Google is trying to try but don't like we have a popular browser have but [TS]

02:43:52   everyone right darn we can pre compile it and it's like JavaScript enabled to [TS]

02:43:55   be in like sorry you don't have that kind of pull their jobs but I don't put [TS]

02:44:02   out of even like when I like a swift I made a few sly illusions and things like [TS]

02:44:07   there is no reason that Apple couldn't say oh and by the way you can just like [TS]

02:44:14   you can write dark and the run [TS]

02:44:15   Google Chrome wherever you can put swift code and he and his you load your in [TS]

02:44:21   your web pages instead of JavaScript and when we load them we will compile the [TS]

02:44:25   source code and keep the compiled version will be much faster than jobs [TS]

02:44:28   good because it's on that level of like not that much worse to use in JavaScript [TS]

02:44:32   libraries are not up to snuff or whatever but or even just server-side [TS]

02:44:36   web programming like the places where Smith control is not not constrained in [TS]

02:44:40   the same way as as Objective C or any other languages so if Apple ever want to [TS]

02:44:46   make that move and say you know you can use Javascript or you can use its best [TS]

02:44:52   to do it like if you're gonna make like I S only web app where you knew the [TS]

02:44:56   target platform can do that with a result in library that's in the in the [TS]

02:45:00   browser you know with a buncha niceties compiler gets fast enough like there are [TS]

02:45:06   many things that are possible when this is very new baby swift starts getting [TS]

02:45:11   mature like it if they succeed in their goal to make a language that spans this [TS]

02:45:14   range and that is able to be fastened everything there's all sorts of places [TS]

02:45:17   like even just down to like the stupid shell scripts and Perl scripts they had [TS]

02:45:21   that are buried inside the installer packages also offer an OS 10 if its west [TS]

02:45:27   had a file i/o library that was worth a damn instead of having to use coke [TS]

02:45:31   overstuffed like the language doesn't preclude that they could they could make [TS]

02:45:35   change all the scripts like you can really make one big unified language or [TS]

02:45:38   can turn out the ten years now we turn I was followed to try to spend that [TS]

02:45:40   language was one language and didn't work out well and it makes me curious [TS]

02:45:44   funny too it makes me think it's one of those things where it was like you know [TS]

02:45:48   in turn inside out a lot of people don't know what was almost nobody knew that's [TS]

02:45:52   what was going on everybody I talked to a couple was surprised by Swiss [TS]

02:45:55   announcement as we were excited like what what to me it's an unfortunate [TS]

02:46:02   coincidence that it also happened to be the year that the automation group added [TS]

02:46:08   JavaScript support as an alternative to Apple's crap everywhere you could write [TS]

02:46:12   a prescription now you can write JavaScript it seems to me like a better [TS]

02:46:15   idea might have been to hold off on that [TS]

02:46:17   and wait until you can do in swift just like with the with the JavaScript [TS]

02:46:23   automation the OSA script thing you can use the Javascript automation 22 content [TS]

02:46:28   injects a library the lows Ruby and your own review code for languages in one [TS]

02:46:33   command line like all things business all these weird bridges from from apples [TS]

02:46:39   from JavaScript John's graduation you can load Objective C libraries and from [TS]

02:46:43   senator to see that race you can go to Ruby things I guess from the Ruby Coco [TS]

02:46:46   thing or whatever it is quiet and then just us with into that makes two they [TS]

02:46:50   can interoperate with Objective C as well yeah I guess so but it seems to me [TS]

02:46:57   like the future I'm always happy when the automation stuff has any new [TS]

02:47:01   features because I'm always afraid that they gonna should turn the lights down [TS]

02:47:05   south group but so much that they have libraries life share nowadays I I only [TS]

02:47:16   say that because I just know that a high-level Apple's interest isn't there [TS]

02:47:19   I'm not saying that your effort into the last couple of years haven't been good I [TS]

02:47:22   think the last couple of years have been great script libraries have been great [TS]

02:47:25   they've been you know and I think adding JavaScript is supported languages great [TS]

02:47:29   I just can't help but think though that in the long run there be more script [TS]

02:47:34   written in automation scripts written in swift then Apple script or out [TS]

02:47:39   job script for all those things in the reason you can have a different [TS]

02:47:42   languages the problem is not the language except maybe Java JavaScript [TS]

02:47:45   cigarettes language to people who want like a regular programming language [TS]

02:47:49   problem is the problem is the API for talking to me that's the hard part is [TS]

02:47:53   like you gotta figure out what is that what is a dictionary support how do I [TS]

02:47:56   can I do what I need to do [TS]

02:47:58   can address this window in a way that is reliable can I get it that the element [TS]

02:48:02   in this window kinda like it's all down to how scriptable the application and [TS]

02:48:06   the languages just like a minor implementation detail at that point most [TS]

02:48:10   of the time you're fighting with the scripting dictionaries of the apps will [TS]

02:48:13   they even let you do what you want to do and what kind of weird hoops you have to [TS]

02:48:16   jump through well I just think you know that if they if they can eventually get [TS]

02:48:19   it to be swift to be easier to call into [TS]

02:48:22   like if you wanted to put like near board version and sounds as if filed [TS]

02:48:30   with your script that it's you know it would be a lot more just like since Coco [TS]

02:48:36   already uses it it would be easier to call from the scripting side to it was [TS]

02:48:39   the same language now but then you kind of doing actual real application [TS]

02:48:43   development like you're not even call you start to send Apple that's right I [TS]

02:48:47   guess so I don't know I mean I do now I don't know your call natively into that [TS]

02:48:52   you know I don't know the automation story is always been a little weird I [TS]

02:48:57   think it is making progress in recent years so I'm kind of optimistic about it [TS]

02:49:01   I like the idea of like when they renamed AppleScript editor script editor [TS]

02:49:04   and now actually when you launch it you can pick which language you want to be [TS]

02:49:08   your default and each window has a little pop-up menu that says it's a [TS]

02:49:11   script editor do on a great Apple scripts for JavaScript or scripts quite [TS]

02:49:17   yet but like it's poised to OSA was always supposed to be multilanguage but [TS]

02:49:21   for the longest time it was like multilanguage in theory and now its [TS]

02:49:24   final multilanguage in actuality again so finally it is violence that's an [TS]

02:49:32   actual 9 around on on iraq finally yeah this probably other languages that [TS]

02:49:37   people have been using like people don't use frontier anymore but that was one of [TS]

02:49:41   them well and there was JavaScript mark called rid of late night software that [TS]

02:49:46   guy behind script to bugger and he had faced ban for a while he had a [TS]

02:49:51   javascript OSA that was built as JavaScript engine that did work but it [TS]

02:50:00   never really took off and it cuz I think it's the sort of thing where had to come [TS]

02:50:03   from Apple to really take off and there were certain witnesses that that using [TS]

02:50:09   javascript instead of a postscript you ended up with tangled syntax that was [TS]

02:50:13   like why would take Apple to fix it because I kinda added you know how to be [TS]

02:50:18   fixed at the OS a level not at the language there has always been a little [TS]

02:50:23   bit weird I mean it's like you just the languages are so different how can you [TS]

02:50:27   how can you call the same things and it's always just you know especially [TS]

02:50:30   when you're calling that other libraries again because like you know JavaScript [TS]

02:50:33   important objective see stuff like to see calls but named parameters but John [TS]

02:50:37   doesn't have named parameters see all these magical things just like the the [TS]

02:50:40   Python Coco bridges they've had everything we're but always say is [TS]

02:50:45   always going to be crossed the whole point of its own script architecture [TS]

02:50:49   always comes back to Apple script anyway that we've gone on long enough I think [TS]

02:50:56   it's been a good show I I love your review and ATP is my favorite show [TS]

02:51:04   thank you really is and it's all because of you I was no make up for that of [TS]

02:51:08   course I like Casey I like Marco but what is interesting about the ATP is it [TS]

02:51:14   you guys often disagree maybe even usually one of three views gonna [TS]

02:51:18   disagree and whenever there's an argument and I'm listening and I know [TS]

02:51:22   everybody out there people often tell me this is like everybody listen to podcast [TS]

02:51:25   noses feeling we're like somebody will say something and you want to jump in [TS]

02:51:28   and you know either correct something they said was wrong or point out the [TS]

02:51:33   logical conclusion of where this is going [TS]

02:51:34   and I think that makes ATP my favorite show is that you're always there to do [TS]

02:51:39   it and it's so satisfying I think I gotta gotta right to these guys and tell [TS]

02:51:43   them that reminds me of something and as soon as you have a chance chance chance [TS]

02:51:47   to jump in nine times out of ten you say exactly what it is that I was hoping [TS]

02:51:50   somebody would say otherwise I'm just complaining one of the aftershocks [TS]

02:51:55   recently I think I treated you bad like when you're talking about the 16 gigs of [TS]

02:51:59   flash which are going to talk about an hour in the iOS devices around the house [TS]

02:52:03   terrible like we recorded an ATP and I called that move like a punitive moving [TS]

02:52:08   out this part and then you before we could pose to show you either posted a [TS]

02:52:12   blog post about it what do you call that punitive [TS]

02:52:14   released a podcast over you called the punitive it's like god damnit like this [TS]

02:52:18   we both said the same thing but yours got out first [TS]

02:52:22   yeah I know I know the feeling I get when I hear you up I guess it I think [TS]

02:52:27   the same thing like we tend to think and say the same things and then it's like [TS]

02:52:31   half the time you're excited the other person chiming in with what you would [TS]

02:52:36   have said if you're there and the other half the time you like I was just [TS]

02:52:38   thinking that credit for that idea we die we should go online about it but we [TS]

02:52:44   can talk about the 16 things quickly but I think if you want to stop dancing [TS]

02:52:49   around the the the Elephant Room I think the bottom line is that you mention it [TS]

02:52:53   but it all comes down to is it is a beer in the back of our heads that this is [TS]

02:52:59   Tim Cook thing because it really only makes sense I think it makes perfect [TS]

02:53:03   sense if you're staring at the spreadsheet of component costs and [TS]

02:53:07   profit margins and the combine that with a projection of how a 1664 128 spread [TS]

02:53:19   would push X number of people to get 64 instead of the lower price model than in [TS]

02:53:25   a 32 64 128 scenario from a spreadsheet perspective it makes perfect sense I [TS]

02:53:32   completely understand every aspect of it but in every other way it is to me it's [TS]

02:53:38   a boneheaded mistakes the same guy going on all the talk shows and TV stations [TS]

02:53:43   and talking about how Apple doesn't do moves that a short term is dragging for [TS]

02:53:47   short-term stock market game its long-term thing you're never sorry [TS]

02:53:50   saying all the right things but like this make steaks and they said we're [TS]

02:53:53   talking about this [TS]

02:53:54   this decision to go with the 1664 12 in it like this decision was made a long [TS]

02:53:59   time ago and I think by now when they're having meetings about like I said [TS]

02:54:03   adoption and storage space stuff like that like hopefully they're going to [TS]

02:54:06   correct or like they're not perfect and make mistakes I think they may be just [TS]

02:54:10   miscalculated like they were they were dazzled by all the things that you [TS]

02:54:13   mentioned like to look at how we can push people to Priceline and it's like [TS]

02:54:17   an exchange like do we think there a downside to the 16 and they were able to [TS]

02:54:22   convince themselves of the downsides weren't that big of a deal but like that [TS]

02:54:26   still selling sixteens and still sign a five with no way for developers to [TS]

02:54:30   excluded I think the meetings they're having now hopefully they're discussing [TS]

02:54:34   these things and saying going forward for the next set of things let's not [TS]

02:54:37   make this particular mistake again [TS]

02:54:38   let's let's remedy is like there's a big lag time in this type of thing you know [TS]

02:54:42   again when an account with the that that same range of the iPads in the same [TS]

02:54:47   range as they can learn that lesson between like no I felt like it's just [TS]

02:54:50   you know there is a long turnaround time this and I'm hoping that if this is not [TS]

02:54:55   like you know like them being duplicitous about the philosophy but [TS]

02:54:59   merely mistakes they will correct going forward I hope so because my fear is if [TS]

02:55:03   they don't go to 32 next year then they're already going to be too late [TS]

02:55:06   with 32 and when they do go to 32 its already gonna be the 32 is too little [TS]

02:55:10   and nothing is it it's on them to get this right because they're they're the [TS]

02:55:14   company that does not add a nasty card slot there you know iOS devices right [TS]

02:55:18   now they really and you can't upgraded and so like they really need they really [TS]

02:55:22   do this right and they're doing things like making cameras that shoot 1080p [TS]

02:55:27   video really credible 1080p video really good like you're not going to regret [TS]

02:55:33   that you know the sense this is your footage of your son's first birthday [TS]

02:55:39   you know the time lapse and burst mode like so many ways you can fill up that [TS]

02:55:43   start and up and up to 41 megapixel panoramic images which is great but [TS]

02:55:49   which are huge like count just yeah I remember this was the most recent [TS]

02:55:56   episode of the one before but it's it's like that and you mentioned it when [TS]

02:55:59   you're talking about how like you this is the type of device for you have to [TS]

02:56:01   give caveat we tell people about it it's like all of us told people who want to [TS]

02:56:05   buy Macs back when I first becoming popular we just always tell them back in [TS]

02:56:09   the day like you can go get a PowerBook a really awesome make sure you upgrade [TS]

02:56:12   the RAM this i really don't like trust me by default it comes to an amount of [TS]

02:56:16   RAM that is ridiculous no end and we also use third party ramp that leads to [TS]

02:56:20   charge you a ton for it like those stupid cavities tell you how many years [TS]

02:56:23   to be spending telling people upgrade the RAM don't buy apples ran by [TS]

02:56:27   third-party it added a complication in the caveat to a recommendation that made [TS]

02:56:31   its carrier for people and now that that type of thing is creeping back and we're [TS]

02:56:36   like don't tell by the 16th you're gonna regret it if you're asking me advice on [TS]

02:56:39   which one you should buy you're the type of person not by the 16 trust me save [TS]

02:56:44   money for a couple more months and get the you know 64 yeah I just [TS]

02:56:48   can't I don't know it just irks me that there's and it doesn't bother me quite [TS]

02:56:52   as much that like the lower end models that the old type you know iPad minis [TS]

02:56:57   are 16 but it really irks me that the new top of the line one starts at [TS]

02:57:02   sixteen yeah like this no this is an unsafe model to buy in the flagship [TS]

02:57:07   iPhone sex right like people who are on the go spend $299 on their iPad are kind [TS]

02:57:12   of I'm sure going into it with eyes wide open that they know they're not getting [TS]

02:57:15   the best and that there you know that there's gonna be some limit where [TS]

02:57:19   anybody buying a new iPad air too I think that they should feel confident [TS]

02:57:26   that no matter which one they get that it's it's a good it's no good better [TS]

02:57:30   best and and RAM is the same thing like when they used to sell Mac files with [TS]

02:57:34   two little rounds that you're only hurting your own image because there was [TS]

02:57:36   nothing worse than a Mac with spinning disk into little RAM [TS]

02:57:40   just didn't get better memory compression MS depress the only bump [TS]

02:57:43   that actually made like the brand you said you get better right but every [TS]

02:57:47   other thing like three OS versions from now that RAM is going to be at least you [TS]

02:57:51   could upgrade the RAM to start soldering on Wednesday did starts out and I was [TS]

02:57:55   glad they bumped everybody up to 16 minimum and everything like they're [TS]

02:57:57   probably getting on the ball on that but now they just dropped the ball so it's [TS]

02:58:01   like I've been writing that it's it's like a brand thing and it's you can't [TS]

02:58:05   measure that on a spreadsheet but the RAM thing with Max 90 180 PU said like [TS]

02:58:09   four four megabytes of RAM which shows how old the problem I remember one for [TS]

02:58:13   four megabytes of RAM was the baseline and it was years past word and everybody [TS]

02:58:18   else in the industry had gone to like 16 but I think even to this day all the way [TS]

02:58:25   from that Europe when when they were selling max with only four megabytes [TS]

02:58:29   megabytes of RAM to today that helped fuel the image that so many people have [TS]

02:58:36   that Apple price gouges people because everybody was told you have to upgrade [TS]

02:58:41   the RAM and don't mind perhaps don't buy from Apple go two crucial or you know [TS]

02:58:45   somebody like that and then get someone to install it on search for you and feel [TS]

02:58:49   like you're breaking your brand new machine because you'd have to do this [TS]

02:58:52   thing [TS]

02:58:53   a snap you know it never felt good but when you go and you say like go to [TS]

02:59:00   crucial crucial has great random Google some reviews and everybody would say yet [TS]

02:59:04   crucial sells high-quality ram this is this good dinner good memory chips and [TS]

02:59:07   then you see that you were saving $600 versus what Apple will charge you for [TS]

02:59:11   the same manner as and it's actually it was actually true that Apple was [TS]

02:59:16   price-gouging you did you know that Apple gets better prices on the ramp you [TS]

02:59:20   do or that crucial does and then they win they will be kind of jokes about [TS]

02:59:24   every like they wouldn't service your machine and third-party ramen in all [TS]

02:59:28   sorts of crap like that remember those days ya you taken in and they would you [TS]

02:59:31   would have to you yourself would have to take out your third party RAM and hide [TS]

02:59:35   it from the right keep it at your desk and antistatic sleeve or something like [TS]

02:59:39   that and I guess if you replaced all of the RAM I guess you have to let go and [TS]

02:59:44   find your old apple chips that you replaced and put them back in now and [TS]

02:59:48   yeah this is not just not a good product experience it shouldn't be like that and [TS]

02:59:52   like they anything like that just you never wanna sell somebody something that [TS]

02:59:57   you know three years from now they're gonna hate you for buying [TS]

02:59:57   you know three years from now they're gonna hate you for buying [TS]

03:00:00   you should not the base model accord should not have trouble accelerating up [TS]

03:00:06   until you know may not go anywhere near as fast as the tricked-out high-end [TS]

03:00:11   model but it still you shouldn't have trouble with common things like driving [TS]

03:00:14   up the hill to some some baseline level and you don't skimp on things like that [TS]

03:00:19   especially that a weird an esoteric and let you know as someone who knows a [TS]

03:00:23   technology again especially with spring discounts such a dramatic effect on [TS]

03:00:27   performance there is nothing worse than earlier versions of OS 10 swapping it [TS]

03:00:31   was just nothing it was just it was your performance and go off a giant cliff and [TS]

03:00:35   there is nothing you can do about it he told people I could just run one [TS]

03:00:38   application time work with more acid was just like this is not the way it should [TS]

03:00:42   work and obviously you can't give all the rim of the world every machine but [TS]

03:00:45   the rest of the industry would slowly march up the minimum and apple with [TS]

03:00:49   stubbornly stayed at whatever number they decided with the correct number [TS]

03:00:52   forty years fast when they should yeah and it's it's less excusable now than [TS]

03:00:57   ever cuz you know that they're getting the economies of scale and that they can [TS]

03:01:00   get the best prices using the same components I have to get special RAM for [TS]

03:01:05   their special para pc chips or anything you know right I like you even mentioned [TS]

03:01:10   it on a TV that there is a story that Apple's consuming like 50 percent of the [TS]

03:01:14   world's SSD storage 25% of the nanner it was whatever it is but it's it I'm sure [TS]

03:01:21   that's true and it's impressive but it doesn't you know they're not just buying [TS]

03:01:25   it in an open market it's not like they're going and they are they're huge [TS]

03:01:28   input into that they may influence the market they're planning ahead of time [TS]

03:01:32   for like they'll do know is a few billion dollars build a factory goods [TS]

03:01:36   we're going to ask you to buy the stuff for us and you'll slowly pay off what we [TS]

03:01:39   long for the fax like that's that's the way they do all their stuff right so if [TS]

03:01:42   they wanted to tell people a year ago [TS]

03:01:44   hey we want to buy X million 32 gigabyte chips because that's what they were [TS]

03:01:49   gonna put in the iPad there too they could happen every every 16 every 16 [TS]

03:01:54   gigabyte ship that they have could be a 32 gigabyte one if they had wanted it to [TS]

03:01:58   be or maybe like two years ago when are you gonna lead time to like you know [TS]

03:02:01   tooling intractable like it but Apple to begin that type of thing Apple is in the [TS]

03:02:05   position to that they do it all the time [TS]

03:02:07   they will they will pay for the people to build the capacity of they're going [TS]

03:02:10   to use to build their projects and get the money back into his probably did it [TS]

03:02:14   with Taiwan Semiconductor do do de da da I'm sure [TS]

03:02:18   paying billions and billions of dollars to to make that happen [TS]

03:02:22   yeah I think that a lot of these decisions are made two years in advance [TS]

03:02:26   but I think if they wanted to go [TS]

03:02:28   16 to 32 baseline that's the type of change they could make a little bit not [TS]

03:02:33   that far away just like the Android phones right a lot of Android phones [TS]

03:02:37   sell a lot of them sell you know this much flash in the night again you know I [TS]

03:02:41   just counted the sd-card slot area like that it's not so far outside the realm [TS]

03:02:45   of anything would be outside the realm would be like these crazy super an iMac [TS]

03:02:49   display there probably in short supply in that one you really can't say look [TS]

03:02:52   you know how much you pay which is barely able to make peace now but 1632 [TS]

03:02:57   that is old tack and return shipping with it for years and your smartphone so [TS]

03:03:01   within reach [TS]

03:03:02   yeah alright let's call it a show anybody I can't imagine that there's [TS]

03:03:07   anybody who will listen to this episode who has already read your review but if [TS]

03:03:12   if are pretending to read it or pretended to read it but if you haven't [TS]

03:03:15   you should you can do it the right way the right way is to read on the website [TS]

03:03:20   as the canonical version but I bought a copy for iBooks anyway because I wanted [TS]

03:03:24   it to be a best-seller yeah you got a long way to go to make up for how many [TS]

03:03:28   shirts I bought a bunch of cheap man is a $30 for one of these books for the [TS]

03:03:36   whole family Christmas gift that is right [TS]

03:03:38   don't don't use family showing just buy a copy for everybody get a lot of it [TS]

03:03:43   always a pleasure I don't know it's funny because now we have a mini [TS]

03:03:46   tradition of of you coming on after your your you never asked me on any other [TS]

03:03:52   times and now you're gonna have to actually think of some of the reasons [TS]

03:03:56   I'm gonna have to think of another reason you should have to argue with you [TS]

03:03:59   about filing extensions [TS]

03:04:03   whether we wouldn't have an argument would we now but I would I felt like [TS]

03:04:07   that was a case where I heard you were on my side of the debate and I felt like [TS]

03:04:11   I could have done a better job yeah that foreigner [TS]

03:04:15   yeah any kind we get into an argument about metadata I'm going to word it far [TS]

03:04:21   less eloquently as you there are some strong arguments deployed anyway I'll be [TS]

03:04:25   on the cutting edge over sometime we'll have it out that's what you get when [TS]

03:04:31   you're from Canada [TS]