The Incomparable

239: The Colour Blue

 

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  the incomparable number 239 mar 2015 [TS]

  welcome back to be uncomfortable I am [TS]

  Jason L so this is not I hope trend but [TS]

  our second in about five weeks of of [TS]

  tributes to people who have recently [TS]

  passed away [TS]

  terry pratchett the great writer sir [TS]

  terry pratchett passed away recently and [TS]

  we've convened a group of people who [TS]

  have read a bunch of terry pratchett [TS]

  stuff to talk about it i'm not actually [TS]

  one of those people so i'm going to fade [TS]

  into the background after introducing to [TS]

  you these fine members of our panel [TS]

  we're going to talk in this episode Lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser is out there hi lisa is great [TS]

  to be here Monty ashley is their [TS]

  haimanti hi Jason [TS]

  you should read terry pratchett I should [TS]

  read more vibrant I've read somebody [TS]

  should read more [TS]

  I i look forward to hearing you tell me [TS]

  what episodes or what episodes what [TS]

  books i should read dan more'n hello [TS]

  nice to be here wish it was under better [TS]

  circumstances [TS]

  yeah absolutely and Steve let's say [TS]

  Jason glad to be here wish it was like [TS]

  Dan you know a happier time I wish these [TS]

  guys would stop dying [TS]

  yeah it out make it to make yeah exactly [TS]

  enough already with the tribute episodes [TS]

  ok yes I suppose we could do aunty [TS]

  tribute episode that's your dad [TS]

  oh yeah she so Lisa Monty you guys had [TS]

  some ideas about what the the subjects [TS]

  should be night [TS]

  what where where where you guys want to [TS]

  get started i think actually Monty had a [TS]

  really good one that I remember which is [TS]

  pratchett is an example of why you [TS]

  shouldn't start with his earliest work [TS]

  and go chronologically you should find [TS]

  another starting point and I've and true [TS]

  although some of us do that anyway just [TS]

  because you're obsessive compulsive and [TS]

  we felt we need to do or because we [TS]

  actually like red him as he updated in [TS]

  real time because i got to practice in [TS]

  the eighties of all things so yeah so [TS]

  did I yeah i just i checked my copy of [TS]

  the colour of magic and it is a first [TS]

  edition [TS]

  although it's a first-edition us [TS]

  paperback which probably doesn't count [TS]

  for anything [TS]

  mhm but it was printed in the US before [TS]

  even the light fantastic so yeah I [TS]

  started right at the beginning [TS]

  yeah I did do although i think I someone [TS]

  so like I got that is a library book I [TS]

  remember [TS]

  reading it at camp and over somebody [TS]

  gave it to me I mean my mom might like [TS]

  based on a recommendation from someone [TS]

  else in my family I couldn't say who [TS]

  recommended me but i think i read that [TS]

  as I got 10 year olds or something [TS]

  yes somebody in high school loaned me [TS]

  knowing that I was a hitchhiker's fan [TS]

  just you know showed up one day with a [TS]

  copy of I think it's a first edition [TS]

  hardcover of the light fantastic which [TS]

  he he loaned me and which I still [TS]

  actually have so Chris Hayes if you're [TS]

  out there i got you both haha what's [TS]

  probably worth a lot more right now I [TS]

  think that's how a lot of us got into it [TS]

  is somebody sees you reading douglas [TS]

  adams and they go if you like wacky [TS]

  british authors here here is the next [TS]

  one your list because that's the [TS]

  concessionaire at the pool i worked out [TS]

  in the summer of like 99 was like I [TS]

  think you'll really enjoy these and [TS]

  handed me the first two but sadly I [TS]

  never actually read that copy of the [TS]

  book i started in on it realized it was [TS]

  the second you know in in that [TS]

  particular book starts in the middle of [TS]

  the action where I think everything's [TS]

  ruined is plummeting to earth with his [TS]

  chest and I thought I guess I should [TS]

  probably read the first book and then I [TS]

  just never quite got around to finding [TS]

  it and tell much much later just a few [TS]

  years ago and and felt as I mentioned [TS]

  that I had to start at the beginning [TS]

  which you know was was a little bit of [TS]

  rust letting but I have no memory of why [TS]

  I got the colour of magic or why I liked [TS]

  it so much because I've reread it [TS]

  several times since then and it's [TS]

  basically just three unconnected [TS]

  pastiche is stuck together [TS]

  what is startling if you read the first [TS]

  the first two especially in the new go [TS]

  and you read right in the middle after [TS]

  he's introduced the watch and done some [TS]

  serious world-building and it's hard to [TS]

  believe that they come from the same [TS]

  mind almost like the first two books are [TS]

  almost as if they're rough drafts and [TS]

  they feel almost reactionary like they [TS]

  were written reaction too high-minded [TS]

  British fantasy and then for me the [TS]

  turning point actually was equal rights [TS]

  where he introduces s Karina and Granny [TS]

  Weatherwax and you and it's still very [TS]

  wizard centric but it broadens the world [TS]

  a little bit that's only the third book [TS]

  so he did not like what yeah it's fair [TS]

  to say that those verse two books i [TS]

  think are much more permanent or parody [TS]

  than serious books and then at some [TS]

  point he as you said [TS]

  this book because it's vignettes and [TS]

  because it's just like you know straight [TS]

  up parody without much story it all [TS]

  behind it actually reads more like some [TS]

  episodic submissions to dragon magazine [TS]

  or something [TS]

  it's really interesting to go back and [TS]

  read the book he wrote before the colour [TS]

  of magic strata we asked Ron to the 10 [TS]

  years world and explains one of the [TS]

  jokes in the book that he didn't put the [TS]

  punchline in which is the reason there's [TS]

  a bar called the broken drum it can't be [TS]

  beat [TS]

  haha of course is that why they [TS]

  destroyed the broken drum [TS]

  well the broken drum gets burned down in [TS]

  the colour of magic editor-in-chief [TS]

  every time you go to have more apart [TS]

  from that on if the mehndi drum which he [TS]

  also never explains yeah well you have [TS]

  to explain it they built it after they [TS]

  burned it down [TS]

  it's been to know oh yeah that's that [TS]

  but one of the things I've found when i [TS]

  try to explain this world to people who [TS]

  are who are not hardcore fantasy people [TS]

  is is you don't have to read them in [TS]

  order and you can actually kind of read [TS]

  them in somatic groups and you still get [TS]

  a fairly rich experience and to me [TS]

  that's really gratifying because having [TS]

  slot my way through a lot of sequential [TS]

  series where if you happen to find book [TS]

  number four in the library but you have [TS]

  13 and you're like ah it's gratifying to [TS]

  say look you don't have to sweat just [TS]

  start with guards guards and then read [TS]

  about the city watch will start with [TS]

  which or start with them [TS]

  Weird Sisters and you can rejoin through [TS]

  the witches or you can read one of the [TS]

  stand-alones like pyramids or moving [TS]

  pictures to see how you like the tone of [TS]

  Discworld and then jump in and I [TS]

  appreciated how he had what we're [TS]

  basically like four or five distinct [TS]

  groups of characters that he kind of had [TS]

  moving in tandem and sometimes they [TS]

  interact or sometimes they mentioned [TS]

  each other but it doesn't all tie in and [TS]

  this way you can kind of pick and choose [TS]

  your your-your-your discworld experience [TS]

  if you're so inclined [TS]

  it's not really a giant wheel at I'm [TS]

  style 30 book series most Americans are [TS]

  standalone yeah or as Lisa said thematic [TS]

  you know in terms of there are [TS]

  characters they get followed so like I [TS]

  mean I started reading while all the [TS]

  rincewind books because as a you know [TS]

  teenagers prejean or whatever that [TS]

  really tickled my fan [TS]

  see because I just on the whole area so [TS]

  that point but you know like and I never [TS]

  really got into the I never really got [TS]

  into the witches as much in the act like [TS]

  that's one of the things like sort of [TS]

  favor I'd save that because you know as [TS]

  I think I said on Twitter when I heard [TS]

  that he passed away was you know I saved [TS]

  some terry pratchett books knowing that [TS]

  at some point there would be no more [TS]

  Terry Pratchett books but i have also [TS]

  been like sort of you know slightly [TS]

  introduced to some of those characters [TS]

  via the Tiffany aching books too because [TS]

  they play person that as well so it's [TS]

  they all everything is connected in this [TS]

  world universe but it's not like it as [TS]

  you're saying it's not like I a you know [TS]

  30 series but 30 book series where you [TS]

  have to like start at the beginning and [TS]

  read all the way through to the end and [TS]

  one of the things I like in the sounds [TS]

  mean but I like that a lot of the [TS]

  characters don't like each other like [TS]

  boys find liquid it just does not does [TS]

  not care for vines and the feeling is [TS]

  more than mutual cut it in and I [TS]

  appreciate that because although i do [TS]

  like the watch books a lot effort i sort [TS]

  of feel like vines gets a tad very [TS]

  suited towards the end of it and I don't [TS]

  and I don't and I want to stress I don't [TS]

  mind because I do like the books but [TS]

  after awhile I was like okay exactly how [TS]

  many times can you make him the Duke of [TS]

  something or promote him higher and [TS]

  people tell me what a great copy is and [TS]

  he's managed to solve the equivalent of [TS]

  stray from the Middle East and he's [TS]

  managed to help emancipate a country [TS]

  that wasn't the that was in the throes [TS]

  of the equivalent of the Taliban and now [TS]

  he's managed to stop slavery and human [TS]

  trafficking and and like that can only [TS]

  happen so many times and it's nice one [TS]

  other characters like yeah he's kind of [TS]

  he's kind of a jerk but that's really [TS]

  interesting to watch happen because at [TS]

  the beginning of the Nights Watch [TS]

  volumes is drunk [TS]

  the city is a mistress finds a [TS]

  protagonist but it really felt to me [TS]

  like carrot was wear anything focus of [TS]

  thing yes [TS]

  yeah he's not only so there's only so [TS]

  far you can go with that character [TS]

  because they both fall into the same you [TS]

  know eventual thing of their kind of [TS]

  their paladin's right like there's a [TS]

  lawful goodness about them that you [TS]

  can't necessarily like carrot has [TS]

  nowhere to go because he already starts [TS]

  is like the you know Gio shucks like [TS]

  perfectly good guys so it's not as [TS]

  though he has a lot of room to grow [TS]

  things actually yeah it does his life is [TS]

  in jeopardy from the right with the [TS]

  running joke is that everybody knows he [TS]

  supposed to be the rightful king of [TS]

  Lanka more pork and he hasn't [TS]

  so interested he's now I just rather be [TS]

  a cop and have my world girlfriend and [TS]

  both times that is it just once or is it [TS]

  twice because oh because there is some [TS]

  the moment the gun where and Dragon King [TS]

  of Arms the vampire who keeps the [TS]

  breeding books like they tried to pull [TS]

  the conspiracy that put carried on the [TS]

  throne he's genuinely confused as to why [TS]

  anybody would want to do that when [TS]

  things are working so well and I i like [TS]

  that they said okay we've got it Terry [TS]

  Pratchett took this this fantasy [TS]

  convention that is so so threadbare is [TS]

  to practically be mesh and which is oh [TS]

  it's that the family prince who comes [TS]

  back to reclaim his legacy and in this [TS]

  case the family prints came back fell in [TS]

  love with the city and was like I can [TS]

  best serve the city by serving under [TS]

  somebody who really loves this city and [TS]

  and boom that's it [TS]

  if he's working under the biggest and [TS]

  it's never clear that he's aware that [TS]

  he's you know the once and future king [TS]

  or whatever because I've never gotten [TS]

  the impression that he picked that up [TS]

  there are Winx right at the end of a [TS]

  couple of books were carried shows that [TS]

  he's not as naive as he writes yeah now [TS]

  he's just straightforward and people [TS]

  confuse that for naivete yes and and i [TS]

  like that they basically made him you [TS]

  know [TS]

  press press the button comes the plot [TS]

  device and I like that's how he's used I [TS]

  the you know of course I could I could [TS]

  find criticisms because you can't write [TS]

  however many books he wrote without [TS]

  saying he falls on some hackney trips [TS]

  and so on and so forth but most the time [TS]

  i think what i really liked is as the [TS]

  books progress through this series he [TS]

  practiced became simultaneously angrier [TS]

  about the cupidity of human nature and [TS]

  more enamored and hopeful about when we [TS]

  managed to overcome our human nature and [TS]

  and push people towards progress a [TS]

  little bit at a time [TS]

  yeah I think that's why my favorite [TS]

  protagonists of is are the most cynical [TS]

  ones [TS]

  yeah like he's got hundreds of [TS]

  characters but he drifts towards vibes [TS]

  and Granny Weatherwax people who can say [TS]

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  uncomfortable I i am an unabashed the [TS]

  which the but which books are always my [TS]

  favorites just because I well I like [TS]

  health how complex it he gives every one [TS]

  of the characters their dignity [TS]

  vinagrette because I'm Oh magnet at the [TS]

  end of lords and ladies is so good [TS]

  yeah well things isn't lords and ladies [TS]

  really is magnets because there's that [TS]

  whole long passage about how Granny [TS]

  Weatherwax maybe a better witch but [TS]

  magnet has a scientific mind she's a [TS]

  better doctor and I appreciated that he [TS]

  took the time to put that in there and [TS]

  and all that and what I really like is [TS]

  all the Granny Weatherwax is the cynic [TS]

  it's Nanny yahoo has the measure of [TS]

  humanity and he lets her he gives her a [TS]

  lot of space to run with it a couple of [TS]

  books to ya [TS]

  manny has to clean up granny's messages [TS]

  a couple of times [TS]

  yeah the masquerade especially oh my god [TS]

  I love that book [TS]

  mostly because it's just a pastiche on [TS]

  the phantom of the opera but when the [TS]

  two of them hit the city and a nanny ogg [TS]

  has figured out in like less than 24 [TS]

  hours exactly how it works out and [TS]

  Granny Weatherwax how oh how did you do [TS]

  that and she's all my arnav said this in [TS]

  our camps have had in our travels at the [TS]

  office but I'd love i love those books [TS]

  and I like when Granny Weatherwax can be [TS]

  cruel and one of my favorite passages is [TS]

  also lords and ladies when she and [TS]

  mightily oats are traveling together and [TS]

  they have to burn the book of armed and [TS]

  they basically have a long talk about [TS]

  what it means to believe in something [TS]

  and she's like you know if I actually [TS]

  believed in a religion i wouldn't just [TS]

  run around I would be making other [TS]

  people believe in to invite all the [TS]

  answers like I'm I'm so grateful you're [TS]

  here you would be terrifying if your [TS]

  belief and it was nice it was a great [TS]

  exchange some you know because she comes [TS]

  up against sheet she beats herself [TS]

  against the anvil of somebody else's [TS]

  personality and everybody's always [TS]

  interested in watching the sparks fly [TS]

  one thing i think is great about [TS]

  practice that although he's writing in [TS]

  fantasy which is a kind of gutter genre [TS]

  and he's writing comedic fantasy which [TS]

  is even worse than that and he has no [TS]

  fear about writing a book like small [TS]

  gods which is all about religion and [TS]

  believe ya know that's my favorite [TS]

  principal you can couch a lot of stuff [TS]

  in that in the fantasy tropes right by [TS]

  sort of making it alien and being like [TS]

  oh yes this is some other world that i'm [TS]

  talking about but he does such as I mean [TS]

  he any runs the the gamut from you know [TS]

  you talk about religion to he talks [TS]

  about Hollywood right in moving pictures [TS]

  you know all these [TS]

  he sorta can go like the satire angle of [TS]

  it really doesn't shy away from too many [TS]

  targets was like entertainment he died [TS]

  and then you know things like a goin [TS]

  postal the truth making money sort of [TS]

  taking on the institution's i and III [TS]

  agree with you I think because of the [TS]

  the fantasy really frees them up to be [TS]

  able to say pretty much anything you [TS]

  want and that because the world gets so [TS]

  detailed and so you know flush with all [TS]

  these characters and institutions it [TS]

  really does become sort of a weird [TS]

  mirror of our own world and I don't [TS]

  think I think you'd be hard-pressed to [TS]

  come up with another like another writer [TS]

  who creates such an elaborate throw [TS]

  simulacrum when you think about he moved [TS]

  from like the Middle Ages up to [TS]

  Victorian era England over the course of [TS]

  the books because when when these books [TS]

  started I mean they were drinking that [TS]

  then I forget their drinking water out [TS]

  of wells with Newton them and he's [TS]

  pointed out that the timeline is [TS]

  deliberately messy with Shakespeare's [TS]

  old globe right next to a giant parisien [TS]

  Opera House [TS]

  yeah for centuries apart when the the [TS]

  internet heading across the disk [TS]

  yeah and to the other as well yeah yeah [TS]

  yeahs minutes of the whole point really [TS]

  of sci-fi and to a lesser extent fantasy [TS]

  is to be able to get away with you know [TS]

  modern social commentary and couch it in [TS]

  you know whatever universe you're [TS]

  working within and you can get away with [TS]

  a lot more that way and especially if [TS]

  you're doing comedy and and I think he [TS]

  he uses that ability to really great [TS]

  effect i mean some of these you [TS]

  mentioned small gods Lisa which actually [TS]

  is is my favorite as well I actually [TS]

  find that a terribly moving book and [TS]

  yeah I is Bob feel like the last 10 [TS]

  pages happen [TS]

  yes I mean that the characters and the [TS]

  way they deal with each other and the [TS]

  way they deal with their faith or lack [TS]

  thereof is is really good stuff even if [TS]

  you're not you know particularly [TS]

  religious person and I definitely am NOT [TS]

  you know he he he really kind of can [TS]

  move you through that through through [TS]

  the background of of the fantasy [TS]

  universities built i said this on [TS]

  twitter too but over the process of [TS]

  leaving the Catholic Church which I had [TS]

  been raised in since childhood [TS]

  and I left and I left it was literally [TS]

  like the ugliest breakup I've ever been [TS]

  in my life and the two books that [TS]

  actually helped me frame my thinking and [TS]

  save my sanity to some extent were lamb [TS]

  by christopher moore who is a wonderful [TS]

  another wonderful offer to read if you [TS]

  want comic fantasy that also has some [TS]

  sliced social commentary in there and [TS]

  then small gods by terry pratchett and I [TS]

  read and reread both of those books and [TS]

  they really helped me get my head on [TS]

  straight as to why I was doing what I [TS]

  was doing and where I wanted to end up [TS]

  and I think that's another endorsement [TS]

  president is you know when you do come [TS]

  from heavily religious background you [TS]

  choose to leave it having a book like [TS]

  small gods was a really helpful really [TS]

  helpful framework for figuring out what [TS]

  my own ideas were independent of what [TS]

  I've been taught well now I brought down [TS]

  the podcast trying to look up a book [TS]

  titles i can't remember that it's [TS]

  killing me which one what what kind of [TS]

  question is that if I knew that the one [TS]

  about Skylar described book unseen only [TS]

  once and Cena tensile yeah that was the [TS]

  one that I think was one of the later [TS]

  ones that I read and I mean after he [TS]

  announced that he had was you know [TS]

  diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimer's [TS]

  and i read that i still remember [TS]

  laughing out loud and portions of that [TS]

  and thinking like man you know if you [TS]

  you can find people who are half as good [TS]

  as over as a writer is Terry pressure [TS]

  you don't have a whole slackers like [TS]

  that is very impressive [TS]

  oh god I'll i also love the Wizards [TS]

  because they're just so freaking chaotic [TS]

  and yet the the eight solid pastiche in [TS]

  common satire in academia right like you [TS]

  know there's that whole it since the [TS]

  beginning the wizard I mean I think [TS]

  that's why I liked the Richmond books [TS]

  early on is that that whole culture of [TS]

  all especially thinking sorcery they [TS]

  become sort of more involved in it it [TS]

  was a whole like the Dean and the [TS]

  bursary and all these people all the [TS]

  arguing and their stupid petty [TS]

  discussion and hire students and his [TS]

  ways in like a computer later on his [TS]

  machine thinking machine or something [TS]

  ahead controlled by bx right right yeah [TS]

  whatever one of the things I like about [TS]

  small gods which is just a brilliant [TS]

  novel is that it's not just about [TS]

  religion but actually even to an atheist [TS]

  helps explain religion and I liken it to [TS]

  unseen academicals which among other [TS]

  things explains why people like [TS]

  sports and it lets you see that it's [TS]

  part of the shared experience of [TS]

  everybody cheering for the same thing [TS]

  and I think it's a mark of a really good [TS]

  writer that he can tackle both sports [TS]

  and religion with equal yet with that he [TS]

  can honor them equally and explain not [TS]

  really explain them both but help you [TS]

  understand both and also i love the end [TS]

  of the day i love the end of many of his [TS]

  novels but ya wanna time the moment and [TS]

  unseen academicals where the or [TS]

  character is being booed by the entire [TS]

  stadium except forward and everybody's [TS]

  quiet he says come on if you think [TS]

  you're hard enough [TS]

  yes and everybody just cheers him [TS]

  because they all said that's the right [TS]

  thing to say [TS]

  yeah fresh it was great at moments like [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah i know i mean i think i think [TS]

  you're totally right that he does such [TS]

  an e there are a lot of books that could [TS]

  and I you know sometimes in some cases [TS]

  put douglas adams since this category [TS]

  that could just be a string together of [TS]

  a lot of jokes but his books actually [TS]

  work as books even you know they are [TS]

  funny but they they tell a complete [TS]

  story and is generally a story that you [TS]

  know make sense as well plotted and all [TS]

  that it's not like you know he'll go a [TS]

  long way for a joke but he won't derail [TS]

  necessarily the entire story for a joke [TS]

  and I think that's to my mind that's [TS]

  what makes him so successful is that his [TS]

  books are are funny but they're also [TS]

  perfectly good books just to sit down [TS]

  and read and the plots make sense the [TS]

  characters are wonderfully drawn with [TS]

  the exception of a few obvious periods [TS]

  like his you know is his first couple of [TS]

  books and then the sequence of books [TS]

  where his whole conception behind the [TS]

  novel was basically what happens if we [TS]

  drop a gun in a discworld ok how about [TS]

  movies [TS]

  nobody get our sure yeah I like soul [TS]

  music a lot its almost regulated moving [TS]

  picture i think that's probably the best [TS]

  of the three there is one line in moving [TS]

  pictures i say a lot which is when [TS]

  they've invented popcorn because of [TS]

  course yes bank gradient huh yeah if you [TS]

  put butter and salt on it tastes sort of [TS]

  like salty butter [TS]

  I say that all the time which is what [TS]

  people want to begin with populations to [TS]

  be well and I really likes so me [TS]

  dick in particular because i really like [TS]

  death and you can't talk in ironically [TS]

  enough you know I think that that's my [TS]

  he's probably my favorite character in [TS]

  all of Discworld I you know and with [TS]

  perhaps maybe the the caveat that the [TS]

  death of rats is actually amazing but [TS]

  only difference is a squeak it not gay [TS]

  people love the library and he doesn't [TS]

  say much [TS]

  the librarian is great as well because [TS]

  we please don't turn people call monkey [TS]

  Luke Luke I death is such a fascinating [TS]

  character runs through so many of these [TS]

  books because of course everybody does [TS]

  eventually I think he's one of the few [TS]

  characters in every single mothers [TS]

  always a death cameo in every book [TS]

  yes starting with colour of magic [TS]

  sometimes I feel she warned in but it's [TS]

  there but I mean again is universal [TS]

  right and but his character of death has [TS]

  drawn is someone who is just a kind of [TS]

  like doing a job and it's kind of like [TS]

  this is my thing I mean you and you get [TS]

  your death centric novels to like Reaper [TS]

  man and more and soul music and so I [TS]

  think having him there in you know to [TS]

  sort of string all these things together [TS]

  and also to just be sort of he's the [TS]

  he's the immovable unstoppable force [TS]

  right and and the great equalizer so I [TS]

  think he's he is among my favorite of [TS]

  all of the characters him and veterinary [TS]

  if I'm having an ear vines experience he [TS]

  is that one book too and i also enjoy [TS]

  when he and the witches up but when [TS]

  Granny Weatherwax gives them a [TS]

  chiropractic adjustment but yea Reaper [TS]

  man was i think the first book that [TS]

  actually like hit me between the eyes [TS]

  emotionally that's why I think that's my [TS]

  favorite [TS]

  yeah and then later when i read [TS]

  hogfather I do tend to read around the [TS]

  holidays when he asked Susan you know [TS]

  what you have a kiss for your granddad [TS]

  and that for some reason like og support [TS]

  this poor anthropomorphic [TS]

  personification of death [TS]

  all he wants is all he wants is his [TS]

  granddaughter to give my kids because he [TS]

  misses having kids and it's it's just [TS]

  it's it's inaudibly touching you know [TS]

  and and Susan still hell is also one of [TS]

  my [TS]

  favorites and I think it's because in [TS]

  fantasy it's comparatively rare to have [TS]

  female characters who are not there as [TS]

  as means to help the male characters [TS]

  develop their character more or as [TS]

  rewards or as props and one of the [TS]

  things pratchett had such an eight [TS]

  respect for all of his characters that [TS]

  he developed you you never got the sense [TS]

  that there was any princess who existed [TS]

  solely because there was a prince who [TS]

  needs to have a girlfriend after a while [TS]

  or there was never an evil queen he was [TS]

  evil simply for the sake of of giving [TS]

  people something to do it was always [TS]

  there was always something a little bit [TS]

  deeper you know even with characters [TS]

  like warbles who still haunts my [TS]

  nightmares and and the auditors which [TS]

  are also frankly horrific i was trying [TS]

  to remember if if Reaper man has one of [TS]

  my favorite footnotes and of course [TS]

  footnotes a big terry pratchett think [TS]

  but I think it's the one about is that [TS]

  the one where they he talks about [TS]

  anti-crime we're just involves like [TS]

  leaving things places and people went [TS]

  shopping carts in like random place its [TS]

  haha but I just a Terry branches Matt [TS]

  like the footage this man turned [TS]

  footnotes into an art I think probably [TS]

  before David Foster Wallace skin home [TS]

  intruder and and with different i do [TS]

  when to stop [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah yeah but anyway they were [TS]

  always I i just always remember looking [TS]

  for the footnotes especially the younger [TS]

  reader and just being so excited when I [TS]

  realized the page had a footnote because [TS]

  i love that they were so often they were [TS]

  little stories in and of themselves and [TS]

  just fascinating little like you know [TS]

  like a joke he couldn't quite fit into [TS]

  the main text but decided like this is [TS]

  still pretty funny and deserves to go in [TS]

  there i must admit i eventually got to [TS]

  the point probably about book 20 where I [TS]

  would hit a footnote and go I really i [TS]

  gotta go down to the bottom of the page [TS]

  again it's a little bit harder with that [TS]

  with when you're reading on kindle [TS]

  because depending on what can apply yeah [TS]

  and it I can completely reset your place [TS]

  in the book and it's a pain in the neck [TS]

  to go back and forth cuz most the time [TS]

  all of the footnotes with the very end [TS]

  of the book and so depending on if [TS]

  you're reading kindle for ipad or kindle [TS]

  for your kindle or kindle on the phone [TS]

  or kindle on your laptop [TS]

  you're either stuck back and try to [TS]

  remember where you were or it's a couple [TS]

  extra clicks and it's it's a lot [TS]

  it's a lot less enjoyable to read the [TS]

  footnotes electronically than it is on [TS]

  the pain the books that i still haven't [TS]

  printed definitely definitely start [TS]

  practice a perfect argument for pop-up [TS]

  footnotes [TS]

  yeah I don't remember what book it was [TS]

  but there was some pratchett book where [TS]

  there's a footnote at the bottom of the [TS]

  page and I read the whole page i didn't [TS]

  see the asterisk so I went back up and [TS]

  read the page again I didn't see it and [TS]

  I went word by word and I didn't see it [TS]

  that turned out it was on the next page [TS]

  because of a printing error was [TS]

  infuriating [TS]

  let me take a break to tell you about [TS]

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  thank you too well front for letting me [TS]

  speak in hushed disclaimer tones and for [TS]

  sponsoring me uncomfortable [TS]

  I think we spent a lot of time talking [TS]

  to be honest discworld is the one of the [TS]

  most familiar with and there's also a [TS]

  good omens with no game and that I've [TS]

  read a few times and it's that it's my [TS]

  one tiny bit of nerd fancred because i [TS]

  do have a copy [TS]

  signed by both pratchett game and i also [TS]

  have a copy signed by both freshmen game [TS]

  there we go that's not that cool anymore [TS]

  is it now there's two yeah i got is only [TS]

  signed by Neil Gaiman because the one [TS]

  time I went to see a practice signing I [TS]

  didn't bring it i don't know why [TS]

  oh the colour of magic and whatever was [TS]

  new it remains my favorite story that [TS]

  when i went to see I i think i'm trying [TS]

  to remember i think it would I want to [TS]

  see Terry Pratchett first and in in [TS]

  cambridge and I have signed the book and [TS]

  I mentioned o Neil Gaiman is gonna be [TS]

  here in a week or 2 i'm going to see him [TS]

  do you have any messages i should pass a [TS]

  lot and terry pratchett looks at me and [TS]

  thinks he goes tell him the color blue [TS]

  and so I way I of course I told neil [TS]

  gaiman oh yes I solitary practical weeks [TS]

  ago he said to tell you the color blue [TS]

  is like we just like sending each other [TS]

  random messages through fans sometimes [TS]

  we just tell them to save random things [TS]

  yeah i just thought that was so [TS]

  delightful yeah oh well it's funny [TS]

  because when you read good omens and the [TS]

  first time I read it three hours ago how [TS]

  nice these two people these people wrote [TS]

  a book together i don't i wonder how [TS]

  they did that and then on my way and I [TS]

  was finishing up the Sandman run at the [TS]

  time because Sandman was published like [TS]

  89 296 and good omen came out 95 and so [TS]

  I finished the same man run and then I [TS]

  went back and reread it and there are a [TS]

  lot of really nasty anti-human horrible [TS]

  cold around the hard parts of of that [TS]

  comic book series and after having read [TS]

  like a about 10 more pratchett books and [TS]

  having read consider more game and like [TS]

  the next time I went through and read [TS]

  good omens I'm like okay that's a given [TS]

  passage that's a crypto-fascist I said [TS]

  given passage that's and it's turned out [TS]

  that's basically how they wrote as they [TS]

  they would just take turns like and one [TS]

  person who cranked out 10 pages they did [TS]

  send it on to the person and they just [TS]

  kind of naturally divvied up how things [TS]

  were got written and you can tell who [TS]

  was responsible for what parts just [TS]

  based on you know what what stuff gets [TS]

  flown in [TS]

  is it angry and yet warm and humanists [TS]

  and it's pratchett is it horrifying and [TS]

  scar that it sends game the best part [TS]

  about that is they talk about that [TS]

  because people ask about it like signing [TS]

  stuff and they because they wrote it so [TS]

  early [TS]

  they were they were sending floppy disks [TS]

  to each other in the males because it [TS]

  was the only way to do it because they [TS]

  wrote it like the eighties and so like [TS]

  Terry and Terry was still living in [TS]

  Australia so they be sent fluffy it's [TS]

  like a halfway across the world so great [TS]

  and it got a the fact that it got done [TS]

  is to me like amazing feet hip just [TS]

  based on the amount of work that had to [TS]

  go into that that was actually kind of [TS]

  the problem with small are not small [TS]

  gods a good moment for me was that I [TS]

  couldn't I could see that there were two [TS]

  different writers kind of feuding with [TS]

  each other in the text and I couldn't [TS]

  really square the 2 and and you know I I [TS]

  wanted more of the pratchett side and I [TS]

  was kind of annoyed that the game inside [TS]

  kept popping in and trying to specifics [TS]

  I think I'm ready young enough it didn't [TS]

  bother me as much but i haven't reread [TS]

  in awhile [TS]

  yeah he said it sounded like you were [TS]

  about to introduce the subject of [TS]

  entirely other precious books which i [TS]

  wanna i want to say i haven't read any [TS]

  so this is basically if you guys have [TS]

  read the the bromeliads or any of the [TS]

  others i would love to hear about it [TS]

  the wee free men or any of that stuff [TS]

  the wii for all the wee free men or [TS]

  disrupt this world [TS]

  yeah it is discworld i don't i will say [TS]

  those are amazing on the children's [TS]

  books effects but they're wired books [TS]

  there why it looks butts and [TS]

  surprisingly you know as many ye books [TS]

  are they have a state very adult strange [TS]

  to them especially the later ones as [TS]

  Tiffany starts approaching teenager [TS]

  Tiffany aching books to a lot of little [TS]

  little schoolgirls yeah i know that my [TS]

  cousin who is a child's librarian is [TS]

  also beyond those and shiny she loves [TS]

  all the terry pratchett books by natural [TS]

  recommend that well and I actually I [TS]

  quite enjoy those they're really where [TS]

  they're really great and you haven't [TS]

  lived until you've teen scene to like my [TS]

  cousin's kids at the time I think we're [TS]

  maybe I don't know in still 14 so 10 or [TS]

  seven or something like that and they [TS]

  would go around the house what what we [TS]

  like to do lads drink in and what else [TS]

  fight in and what else steel in and what [TS]

  else [TS]

  drinking and fighting and stealing mr. [TS]

  you have the macbook feegle huh [TS]

  but I just in there in there [TS]

  entertaining and those books are fun [TS]

  especially I think winter Smith and I [TS]

  shall wear midnight which start to get [TS]

  into the more adult themes are really [TS]

  really beautiful books and I think great [TS]

  for kids of that you know especially [TS]

  young women of that age I think because [TS]

  she's she is such a great protagonist [TS]

  like like Lisa was saying about you know [TS]

  he doesn't do sort of throwaway female [TS]

  characters especially in his later books [TS]

  they all have very and you know they're [TS]

  very well developed and they have [TS]

  interesting stories and Tiffany in [TS]

  particular i think is just such a [TS]

  fantastic character [TS]

  yeah i like the supporting which is so [TS]

  too because they give a lot of know [TS]

  there's the one who's a pig which that's [TS]

  all she specializes in our pigs and [TS]

  she's the first one of the other [TS]

  boyfriend and they can't figure out onto [TS]

  like always a hog farmer got it you know [TS]

  that but I'm whipping through the [TS]

  nondescript books strata is like a [TS]

  serious discworld it's also very much [TS]

  aight first book the bromeliad is so [TS]

  great it makes me cry several times it's [TS]

  about tiny people who live initially in [TS]

  a giant department store and then they [TS]

  find out there's another whole world out [TS]

  there and it goes through three books of [TS]

  them expanding their world and it's just [TS]

  great i love it so much then there's the [TS]

  Johnny Maxwell books which have at least [TS]

  one of them has been made into a movie [TS]

  that i was watching some of the other [TS]

  day that's a johnny and the bomb johnny [TS]

  and the dead and only you can save [TS]

  mankind [TS]

  they're fun they did not make me cry so [TS]

  that is a plan is and then just recently [TS]

  he started doing non discworld books [TS]

  again which I thought was great I had [TS]

  forgotten my nation nation is a [TS]

  fantastic but all we have nation's great [TS]

  i'm really glad that that was not [TS]

  discworld because it shows that he could [TS]

  do other stuff still when I was just [TS]

  that was also just a lovely book it was [TS]

  real and well-written and I really [TS]

  enjoyed it and I had to kind of came out [TS]

  of nowhere but i thought was fantastic i [TS]

  had no idea he had so many other nobody [TS]

  other types of books out there [TS]

  yeah i'm excited now if only I actually [TS]

  read [TS]

  he just recently did a hard sci-fi book [TS]

  the long earth and its sequel I can't [TS]

  remember the long utopia I've got them [TS]

  both waiting on my kindle or rather I've [TS]

  got one pre-order the other was waiting [TS]

  on my kindle family and I hadn't gotten [TS]

  around to reading them Dodger which was [TS]

  the other one which is sort of a net a [TS]

  Dickens yeah that's I was not crazy [TS]

  about dr. and I did not finish it [TS]

  it is the only project book I haven't [TS]

  finished it's basically him indulging [TS]

  his taste for research about Victorian [TS]

  England which he loves to do huh [TS]

  but it's essentially fanfic about the [TS]

  artful dodger [TS]

  oh yeah i'm just looking at Wikipedia [TS]

  page right now it's like down there is [TS]

  so much stuff that I just have a [TS]

  narrative is evil is the discworld stuff [TS]

  which is actually kind of delightful [TS]

  because one of the reasons I'm i was [TS]

  very sad about his passing was and it [TS]

  wasn't because sir terry was dead [TS]

  because remember he was also really [TS]

  vocal advocate for its dark grey to die [TS]

  and you could tell that this was [TS]

  actually the great tragedy of his life [TS]

  was that he was losing the into that he [TS]

  was losing the interior of his cellphone [TS]

  and so hurry he's free from that burden [TS]

  and that tragedy and and and that's [TS]

  something to rejoice over what made me [TS]

  sad was thinking I'm never going to meet [TS]

  my favorite characters again [TS]

  yeah you know I was kinda I was kind of [TS]

  grieving the loss of not knowing who you [TS]

  know how the witches of like we're gonna [TS]

  shake out when Granny Weatherwax didn't [TS]

  evitable die or what happened when she [TS]

  finally did meet death and go with him [TS]

  or you'll never find out if young-sam [TS]

  vines grows up to go into the watcher if [TS]

  he does something completely different [TS]

  which you know is a question of his head [TS]

  and so I was really sad about that but [TS]

  on the other hand there's all these [TS]

  practice books i haven't read and so now [TS]

  i'm super excited about having an [TS]

  opportunity to add to add more people as [TS]

  it were to to my internal pratchett [TS]

  society and he can't possibly have a lot [TS]

  of works toward us it suggested there [TS]

  are a couple others that there's a [TS]

  Tiffany aching book coming out in 2015 i [TS]

  think at some point that he finished [TS]

  over the summer of 2014 and I think [TS]

  that's the only one I know of [TS]

  yeah and so I'm and beyond that I mean [TS]

  he's also [TS]

  you know he did some work with like [TS]

  illustrated books i have a copy [TS]

  somewhere hard huh cover of the the last [TS]

  hero i love that world [TS]

  yeah great I there's also like a slip of [TS]

  the keyboard which I've got right here [TS]

  because officially collected nonfiction [TS]

  and it's mostly things he wrote for a [TS]

  convention books [TS]

  yeah one of those for one of the first [TS]

  books about my daughter was worse my cal [TS]

  it's not bad and i'm getting almost [TS]

  every night at the same time for you to [TS]

  really thank you know I have a redditor [TS]

  yet because her worms where's my cow is [TS]

  actually connected buddy for years and [TS]

  years and years but I think now that [TS]

  she's older and we can discuss the [TS]

  pictures more we'll probably start [TS]

  putting that in heavy rotation you know [TS]

  there's a big difference between putting [TS]

  it on the shelf and actually really into [TS]

  the kid i'm interested in actually [TS]

  introducing my kids to these books but [TS]

  there they the kind of the word play [TS]

  that and and the British and so that [TS]

  always kind of impenetrable at their age [TS]

  but eventually when the time is right I [TS]

  will see them with with something i'm [TS]

  not sure what yet but are you just gonna [TS]

  catch you leave it out on the bottom [TS]

  shelf ins and hope that they pick it up [TS]

  or even gonna mention that will never [TS]

  work i'll never pick it up along the way [TS]

  and do what they want tell them you are [TS]

  not allowed to read this [TS]

  everyone whatever you do don't yeah I [TS]

  think that's it whatever you do don't [TS]

  read it but if I can come up with a [TS]

  decent elevator pitch [TS]

  I can usually convince my daughter at [TS]

  least ya something sounds vaguely [TS]

  intriguing to her she'll give it a go at [TS]

  the very least but I think it's gonna [TS]

  have to wait a while until she can [TS]

  really appreciate it [TS]

  yeah this is actually something I was [TS]

  giving some thought to is throughout [TS]

  elementary school and beyond i did a lot [TS]

  of sneak reading where I would just kind [TS]

  of casually pull books out of my [TS]

  mother's sack of library books or i [TS]

  would find whatever they were reading my [TS]

  parents are reading and hide in the [TS]

  closet read it which is how i got ahold [TS]

  of the Godfather in third grade but but [TS]

  the point is my parents left books [TS]

  around the house a lot like like we had [TS]

  a huge bookshelves the living room and I [TS]

  was thinking about this and I was like I [TS]

  have a lot of books on my kindle I have [TS]

  no idea how my kids going to sneak read [TS]

  stuff that's explicitly tied to one [TS]

  device [TS]

  mm you got to leave Kindles spread [TS]

  around the house in fact [TS]

  we only one only one book on any of them [TS]

  yeah i was lucky that I didn't have to [TS]

  sneak books we had a official rule in my [TS]

  house that if a book is on a bookcase [TS]

  it's public property and anyone to read [TS]

  it [TS]

  no i took the godfather of my father's [TS]

  nightstands that should tell you [TS]

  everything in the book to help me god [TS]

  you're lucky that's what you came out [TS]

  with ya [TS]

  Oh could have been a lot of hours one of [TS]

  the books i remember reading was Allan [TS]

  Sherman you know the novelty song guy [TS]

  who did [TS]

  hello muddah hello faddah and he wrote a [TS]

  book called the rape of the AP e for [TS]

  American pure American Puritan ethic and [TS]

  it's just a semi comedic history of the [TS]

  sexual revolution my goodness I wow yeah [TS]

  so I want to know what age it would you [TS]

  read that I don't remember I got to I [TS]

  got to port noise complaint at a very [TS]

  early stage should explain a lot [TS]

  I tried partners complaint after reading [TS]

  it being mentioned in a Woody Allen [TS]

  short story reminds me we also had a [TS]

  copy of everything you ever wanted to [TS]

  know about sex but were afraid to ask [TS]

  laying around the house and uh huh went [TS]

  back to that one a few times that was it [TS]

  that was actually a joke gift to my [TS]

  sister but it was no joke to me brother [TS]

  so I really just gonna leave stacks [TS]

  approach it lying around the house for [TS]

  people trip over is that is that were to [TS]

  try and bring this family like this back [TS]

  onto topic I don't have kids but I've [TS]

  effectively done that already [TS]

  yeah well there you go on to your home [TS]

  but I think I still just trying to [TS]

  convince more friends of mine to read [TS]

  terry pratchett because I feel like a [TS]

  lot of them were not is into like [TS]

  especially I think as a kid I definitely [TS]

  like tried because a lot of my friends [TS]

  were were also nerds and read a lot of [TS]

  fantasy and I you know like Douglas [TS]

  Adams and all that stuff so I i tried to [TS]

  sort of spread them around with with [TS]

  mixed results but my family in [TS]

  particular like several of my cousins I [TS]

  mean we were texting when we found out [TS]

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  you're all there are lots of sad emoji [TS]

  let's put it that way and so you know my [TS]

  particular my cousins library and she's [TS]

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  that's that's pretty good pretty good [TS]

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  yeah that's good company that's great [TS]

  yeah well to that and we should probably [TS]

  go into detail on what we think would be [TS]

  good entry points for people who might [TS]

  be listening you know and trying to get [TS]

  into discworld or some other pratchett [TS]

  because it's a pretty sizable body of [TS]

  work that you're going out there so yeah [TS]

  I i think there's I mean there are [TS]

  certainly some plot lines that go [TS]

  throughout them i do as we said at the [TS]

  beginning I don't think you have to [TS]

  start in any like chronologically I [TS]

  don't think really makes any sense i [TS]

  think going in sort of the the the the [TS]

  mini arcs you know I think are good [TS]

  places I think I mean it seems to me [TS]

  guards guards guys got away pretty good [TS]

  entry point that's kind of the one that [TS]

  I always start people on [TS]

  yeah I've had some good success with [TS]

  that I've had people go on from guards [TS]

  guards and continue with other book an [TS]

  or if you wanted to try you can always [TS]

  try Weird Sisters and then which is [TS]

  abroad and then masquerade [TS]

  that skips over lords and ladies wigs [TS]

  that you're ready the 1i I start people [TS]

  with lords and ladies [TS]

  oh god the scene where nanny ogg faces [TS]

  off against current in the Hornet God [TS]

  and he's like he's like your regard [TS]

  would make it about aps cry and envy and [TS]

  i just love your right but there's the [TS]

  four witches books not 34 there's the [TS]

  you do a cluster the witches books are [TS]

  you do a cluster of the guards book [TS]

  starting with guards guards and there's [TS]

  men-at-arms feet of clay [TS]

  yeah the reason I go guards guards [TS]

  generally because it's the first in the [TS]

  city watch series so you don't remember [TS]

  a lot of background knowledge on the [TS]

  characters x is kind of a bastard who [TS]

  kind of makes good which is it is a [TS]

  plotline that everybody loves and it's [TS]

  it's also it doesn't require a lot of [TS]

  Discworld background either its yeah [TS]

  right in the fantasy tropes and stuff [TS]

  like that i mean i just to my mind I [TS]

  think the thing I always remember from [TS]

  that is it's a million-to-one shot but [TS]

  it just might work and also doesn't [TS]

  romanticize dragons which is a nice way [TS]

  to define people's concerns about [TS]

  fantasy because they're like oh crisis [TS]

  people riding unicorns and talking to [TS]

  dragons like know the dragons are awful [TS]

  fit or they explode one of the other [TS]

  things i mean i think if you're starting [TS]

  younger readers i honestly would say the [TS]

  Tiffany aching books i think are a good [TS]

  entry point because they're you know [TS]

  they are targeted younger readers but [TS]

  there they are firmly rooted in [TS]

  discworld as well so you know I think [TS]

  that that's a that's a pretty good place [TS]

  to start if you're he was trying to [TS]

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  I don't know how you guys feel about the [TS]

  moist stories but i think that's a good [TS]

  its kind of self-contained doesn't [TS]

  require a lot of background [TS]

  and and again moist is it is you know an [TS]

  irredeemable character who manages to [TS]

  redeem himself through sheer audacity [TS]

  which I think people tend to like I also [TS]

  thought that going postal TV special if [TS]

  I don't think they also seen it was [TS]

  actually pretty good [TS]

  oh you know another one you could [TS]

  actually start people on would be [TS]

  hogfather no yeah just because you don't [TS]

  need a whole lot of background they give [TS]

  you plenty of it and it does such a [TS]

  great job of cheerfully puncturing like [TS]

  the mary poppins myth at the same time [TS]

  that it talks about the importance of [TS]

  belief and it sends a sense of the [TS]

  sentiment about the holidays and it is [TS]

  very self-contained to feel like you [TS]

  really need to understand the character [TS]

  of death already though to properly on [TS]

  that book I mean they might they might [TS]

  enjoy it but I don't think they would [TS]

  enjoy it as much as if they had already [TS]

  seen death in action in previous books a [TS]

  mortise more it's pretty good yeah mark [TS]

  is only the fourth book so there's not a [TS]

  lot of backstory to fight through and [TS]

  it's lots of death [TS]

  yeah-huh grades but that is great now i [TS]

  just say you're sorry i meant lots of [TS]

  death of the lowercase T that's just [TS]

  remember what I have a recollection of [TS]

  teeth feeling somewhat unsatisfied with [TS]

  more if I felt like the end was kind of [TS]

  weak but well it's not as great as hyper [TS]

  man but I don't want to jump people [TS]

  straight to reprogram yeah reprimanding [TS]

  hard one to jump in on just like I [TS]

  dearly love I dearly love as I mentioned [TS]

  small gods but i don't think i would try [TS]

  to introduce people to that because i [TS]

  think i would probably prefer that they [TS]

  go for one that has you know future [TS]

  tales in that particular sub arc so that [TS]

  they have somewhere to go immediately [TS]

  afterwards I i recommend small gods to [TS]

  people who are resolute anti fantasy [TS]

  snobs to say no no this is just a great [TS]

  way to talk about you know religion the [TS]

  context of fantasy and here's how it's [TS]

  done well as a seat haha but I'm glad [TS]

  we've recommended everything but the [TS]

  Richmond books 20 i really like the [TS]

  ridgewood works actually those are my [TS]

  favorite III I remember as a kid having [TS]

  read the original to and then just [TS]

  waiting and being like I remember as a [TS]

  teenager being so dissatisfied like oh [TS]

  another Terry pressure book but this was [TS]

  not about the Wizards I don't like this [TS]

  and then when you finally got when it [TS]

  was Eric yeah Eric resource really great [TS]

  was rinsing but he's the sorceries I [TS]

  mean the colour of magic light fantastic [TS]

  and sorcery were the first three books i [TS]

  read [TS]

  and sorcery I think even as a kid I [TS]

  could tell sorcery was a different type [TS]

  of book than the first two [TS]

  it's a little bit more serious it's [TS]

  always just not quite as like gagging [TS]

  minute type thing although i will say [TS]

  that of my life i do think the luggage [TS]

  is one of my favorite constructions in [TS]

  the terry pratchett universe because [TS]

  it's just great and indestructible [TS]

  so yeah I i enjoy that one and i think [TS]

  you know some of the later ones not as [TS]

  good i think rincewind is kind of a he's [TS]

  a hard character you get behind because [TS]

  such a resolute coward [TS]

  that's what I really love the last [TS]

  continent where like he meets this is [TS]

  what is basically his alternate life [TS]

  we're already so is is hailed as a god [TS]

  among fellow wizards and life would be [TS]

  peachy further if you just stayed there [TS]

  and he can't and I i just really that [TS]

  was one rides I've only read it [TS]

  um I've read i think one and a half [TS]

  times because the two flower stuff at [TS]

  the end is an unspeakably sad I have a [TS]

  vague recollection to that I was just [TS]

  excited that we were going back to rich [TS]

  wind out of nowhere but because they say [TS]

  i just started with the original book so [TS]

  in the back of my head I still feel like [TS]

  rincewind is the star of the discworld [TS]

  but ya know even though he's clearly not [TS]

  oh wait now I'm so you know I just [TS]

  realized next mr. interesting times just [TS]

  the one I've only read like oh I've only [TS]

  been able to skim after reading it the [TS]

  one time because that's its hard working [TS]

  and then and then the book about [TS]

  scholarly is it's the last continent is [TS]

  is both funny but like I really come on [TS]

  Prince whenever that's it oh I have a [TS]

  question because this this came up again [TS]

  at a party went to this afternoon [TS]

  pure bits where do you guys stand on [TS]

  pyramids dump-down actually if not have [TS]

  not read pyramids [TS]

  that's one of the few i've never stand [TS]

  alones I'm red I don't have a strong [TS]

  recollection of that but I remember [TS]

  thinking it was pretty good but then I [TS]

  read it on my honeymoon in Fiji so mad [TS]

  that could help i thought it was working [TS]

  way too hard to say here's a real-world [TS]

  thing i'm going to put into my fantasy [TS]

  world and see how it works i was now [TS]

  we're just getting started Monty [TS]

  fit those are usually my least favorite [TS]

  I like moist a lot but I'm not that [TS]

  interested in the mechanics of i'm going [TS]

  to introduce a financial system into the [TS]

  discworld watch me do economics didn't [TS]

  that pyramids just felt like that to me [TS]

  I was not really into it at all feel [TS]

  like we would be remiss if we end this [TS]

  podcast without mentioning gasps bowed [TS]

  who is probably my favorite character [TS]

  haha oh yeah but also gasps boat so did [TS]

  you like the ending of the book or gas [TS]

  board runs away from the loving family [TS]

  and was like now [TS]

  oh yeah i forgot he appeared in that [TS]

  many books too I remember him from the [TS]

  truth mean like but yeah yeah I always [TS]

  enjoy and I forget which book it is and [TS]

  it's a totally throw a line where the [TS]

  pot prostitutes of ankh-morpork RR [TS]

  renegotiating the street the street [TS]

  negotiable affection and for some reason [TS]

  the quick the corporate euphemism just [TS]

  by I can't remember I can't remember the [TS]

  book but the corporation's just stuck [TS]

  with me and it actually comes up again [TS]

  later when that because I think they're [TS]

  also called the guild of seamstresses at [TS]

  some point too because when Agnes it [TS]

  comes from longer to make her fortune in [TS]

  ankh-morpork sheet she figures she can [TS]

  take some for embroidery down there and [TS]

  then she doesn't know that is not what [TS]

  they do they put to embroidery they [TS]

  don't so see that's one of the jokes [TS]

  that's based on the real world is based [TS]

  on Seattle yeah let's settle was founded [TS]

  there are a lot of prostitutes because [TS]

  this was a city where people would stop [TS]

  off on their way to the alaskan gold [TS]

  rush and they're adjusting the shocking [TS]

  number of seamstresses in this city [TS]

  he also mentioned the Seattle the [TS]

  tunnels to yeah and he took that [TS]

  shocking number of seamstresses thing [TS]

  and elaborated it so that there would i [TS]

  think it was his joke where there was a [TS]

  census there were 50,000 seamstresses [TS]

  and one sewing needle there's a there's [TS]

  an excellent wikipedia page by the way [TS]

  of our guild of ankh-morpork which is [TS]

  quite long [TS]

  it's strangely enough but I was gonna [TS]

  say bye I you know I think one of the [TS]

  things i do love the most about a carrot [TS]

  is all the the secondary characters so I [TS]

  was thinking of for example cup cut my [TS]

  own throat a blur [TS]

  yeah was one of my favorite like random [TS]

  characters who appears all the time and [TS]

  uh I think veterinary pretty in [TS]

  particular who is among my very very [TS]

  favorite characters because he is so [TS]

  good he's just written so well and his [TS]

  relationship with vines in particular [TS]

  it's just always fascinating to watch [TS]

  and he's you know he's sort of evil but [TS]

  not really evil i'm rereading colour of [TS]

  magic right now and its really [TS]

  disconcerting to see a patrician in [TS]

  there that I don't think is veterinary [TS]

  yes [TS]

  yeah i think it's implied at some point [TS]

  that it's not yeah well there was a [TS]

  discussion on health and prep this is [TS]

  from the annotated patch of pilot and [TS]

  not just remembering it there's a [TS]

  discussion Cratchit in nineteen nineties [TS]

  two or three about whether this was the [TS]

  same character and terry pratchett [TS]

  posted have to say yeah that's the same [TS]

  character and people argued with him [TS]

  saying that the same character you know [TS]

  you just wrote it and Terry offered a [TS]

  compromise which is the early patrician [TS]

  is the same character but written by a [TS]

  worse author that is terry pratchett a [TS]

  nutshell [TS]

  well in AI i will say that my one issue [TS]

  with it is in the in the TV adaptation [TS]

  of colour of magic [TS]

  Jeremy Irons plays the patrician and [TS]

  it's he doesn't take I don't know maybe [TS]

  it's just me being upset because does [TS]

  not match my my person my you know [TS]

  internal image of veterinary but he [TS]

  comes across as like he makes him look [TS]

  strangely offended or something it's [TS]

  just really weird strange delivery and [TS]

  then whoever it is that they get to play [TS]

  man goin postal is actually much better [TS]

  and does like the sort of slightly [TS]

  sinister but generally well-meaning [TS]

  style yeah much better there there's [TS]

  something I think the patrician will be [TS]

  with a lower my favorite recurring [TS]

  character just because I I like how he's [TS]

  always just very casually sitting on [TS]

  circumstances that he knows and nobody [TS]

  else knows you know when he when it [TS]

  turns out he's locked in a cell and he [TS]

  organizes the rats snakes and scorpions [TS]

  into warring factions and advises them [TS]

  on how to and how do warfare against [TS]

  each other [TS]

  oh and i realized that raising steam is [TS]

  not a favorite described for some of you [TS]

  but when it turns out he's actually been [TS]

  shoveling coal on the scene changes [TS]

  again just to get a feel for it turns [TS]

  out the veterinary in the goin postal [TS]

  adaptation was played by Charles dance [TS]

  you may remember when Lana yes that's [TS]

  right [TS]

  apparently according to terry pratchett [TS]

  his choice to play them was alan rickman [TS]

  who of course would have been amazing i [TS]

  love the patrician I one-man one-vote [TS]

  one-man one-vote he's the end of the [TS]

  vote and I enjoyed that he had he throws [TS]

  mines in a scorpion fit with with it [TS]

  with the legend and blazing reading [TS]

  learn the words I yeah I like that but I [TS]

  hate I may read these books too much i [TS]

  hate the very next line of that book [TS]

  which is because mine for silent but [TS]

  deadly to his mood [TS]

  oh come on Terry what is then they're [TS]

  not all going to be winners Monty amount [TS]

  of time looking at 14 year old who knows [TS]

  that he could he who's like I could be [TS]

  sophisticated now like I think I think [TS]

  that he does have some of these things [TS]

  that the younger audience to get them [TS]

  interested and then they'll rise up to [TS]

  the material as it happens to I was a [TS]

  younger audience when i read that [TS]

  ah well you're just exception refine [TS]

  them maybe they didn't notice the joke [TS]

  the first few times I read it and then [TS]

  noticing it and everything click into [TS]

  place enraged me know there's something [TS]

  veterinary says in the truth that I say [TS]

  at work all the time which is that [TS]

  people don't want the news they want the [TS]

  olds and I think it's a very end and I [TS]

  realized it was kicking around newsrooms [TS]

  before veterinary said it but i actually [TS]

  heard from veterinary before I heard [TS]

  from any other working reporter or [TS]

  editor so like I I appreciate that it's [TS]

  it since help me when I'm pitching [TS]

  stories know very well this is yeah what [TS]

  you can learn from terry pratchett yeah [TS]

  how you can apply terry pratchett to [TS]

  your own working career mostly just keep [TS]

  working [TS]

  yes people compare him to douglas adams [TS]

  because they were both little funny [TS]

  british people douglas adams wrote like [TS]

  seven books [TS]

  yeah douglas adams never met a deadline [TS]

  and terry pratchett has been writing two [TS]

  books a year yet Terry Pratchett never [TS]

  met a deadline he couldn't he could [TS]

  knock over and sleep [TS]

  yeah what I saw him speak he credited [TS]

  his early training is both a journalist [TS]

  as a PR man for a nuclear power plant [TS]

  and he said well you have a chance you [TS]

  had to meet them and you had to learn [TS]

  how to get out of the way of your own [TS]

  head and just get the job done and again [TS]

  useful advice for any career you know [TS]

  you have deadlines you have to meet them [TS]

  get out of your head and get the job [TS]

  done several this is my am I was [TS]

  thinking you need if you were to [TS]

  recommend off there's it in the yawning [TS]

  wake since there will be no more new [TS]

  terry pratchett books and we will all [TS]

  eventually reach the end of peppermint [TS]

  he's Britain so far what other authors [TS]

  would you recommend when do you like [TS]

  terry pratchett so you like X XYZ and is [TS]

  there anybody working who is white [TS]

  arafat shit [TS]

  well i was going to say the things is [TS]

  christopher moore comes pretty close for [TS]

  me but he's also a dude who puts out of [TS]

  a book like once every three to four [TS]

  years so but yeah i would recommend [TS]

  Christopher more for the same he's you [TS]

  know for the same oh he starts off doing [TS]

  you know juvenile comedic fantasy and [TS]

  then has his work has become much more [TS]

  thoughtful and nuanced and social [TS]

  commentary over time while still also [TS]

  being communicated in fantastic i'm [TS]

  trying to think of another another [TS]

  writer that I think works in a similar [TS]

  vein but I think that's it's such it's a [TS]

  very small niche and I think he you know [TS]

  for years for decades dominated it [TS]

  because I Amy Adams would be the closest [TS]

  sort of analog in terms of this writing [TS]

  style but I can't think of you know [TS]

  someone else working the same in fact i [TS]

  know i know an agent in particular who [TS]

  really is a big terry pratchett fan and [TS]

  it's like I'm trying to get people to be [TS]

  more things like that you know humorous [TS]

  fantasy but there's just not that much [TS]

  out there and so that was my problem i [TS]

  used to read everything that was labeled [TS]

  as humorous fantasy until the day [TS]

  somewhere around the 11th or 12th and [TS]

  the book when I realized just because I [TS]

  like some things in this genre doesn't [TS]

  mean I have to read everything and [TS]

  everything I can set down the jaundice [TS]

  chancy and move on with my life [TS]

  there are a couple books in particular i [TS]

  was thinking [TS]

  was thinking [TS]

  say nothing of the dog by connie willis [TS]

  has been sort of humorous it's signed [TS]

  more sci-fi than fantasy but it has that [TS]

  sort of same humor mixed with an actual [TS]

  plot bellwether by her as well which is [TS]

  all i think also a pretty good [TS]

  recommendation when John was funny [TS]

  yeah that's it that's a really good book [TS]

  they suggest that you know one of his [TS]

  literary influences might have been a PG [TS]

  Woodhouse who i love and would always [TS]

  suggest that that's pure humor [TS]

  oh yeah that's that's a good pick [TS]

  because it's funny and also if you like [TS]

  terry pratchett you're ok with an author [TS]

  having a million books [TS]

  here's another author without me only in [TS]

  books [TS]

  I'm on board with that you like [TS]

  pratchett jump out of fantasy read [TS]

  Woodhouse ya can't go wrong with the PG [TS]

  Wodehouse I don't know who else in terms [TS]

  of I feel like it's we you know someone [TS]

  someone else should be working in this [TS]

  area [TS]

  yeah well I think we should actually [TS]

  wind down for this has been an hour of [TS]

  us holding a virtual wake to terry [TS]

  pratchett and sharing and then try to [TS]

  him would read next officer [TS]

  oh no back everyday brachet yeah I [TS]

  started over with colour of magic [TS]

  yeah i may or may not be planning to [TS]

  read the entire series all over again I [TS]

  reread steam last night and what I found [TS]

  really striking about steam work how [TS]

  many cameos show up there's a throwaway [TS]

  line about how they have a clock stare [TS]

  up in Lancre and the witches fly up [TS]

  there to share coffee with the collects [TS]

  operators and there's also another king [TS]

  barons and migrate or sending you know [TS]

  classes saying and when may we expect a [TS]

  a train station because we need to join [TS]

  our rightful place on the world stage [TS]

  and so I was like that's a little bit of [TS]

  a shout out and they're there are some [TS]

  other callbacks mentioned to one of the [TS]

  characters who was in it wasn't going [TS]

  it wasn't snuff and then I go back of [TS]

  course to revolt and you've got Lady [TS]

  Margaret lotta but you realize if he [TS]

  ended you know if he if he could no [TS]

  longer write books and he didn't wrap up [TS]

  every single character people would be [TS]

  upset [TS]

  yeah yeah what happened my favorite [TS]

  character [TS]

  it had the feeling of a season finale if [TS]

  that makes sense where ya [TS]

  as it's the whole book the theme of the [TS]

  whole book is things change progress [TS]

  happens [TS]

  hooray for human inventiveness please [TS]

  always fight against small-mindedness [TS]

  it's like it's like you know he was [TS]

  saying I don't have a whole lot of time [TS]

  to to say these things are important to [TS]

  me so I'm gonna I'm just gonna get that [TS]

  all out there right now I'm not a whole [TS]

  lot of subtlety here you go but i wanted [TS]

  to know how grieve over the cat ended up [TS]

  Greivis the greatest the thing that [TS]

  threw me about raising seems i realized [TS]

  that early in discworld there would be [TS]

  stories like soul music or moving [TS]

  pictures where something from the real [TS]

  world impinges on the discworld there's [TS]

  a plot about it and then it leaves but [TS]

  recently things like the clacks and now [TS]

  an actual steam engine have just been [TS]

  coming to discworld and staying and [TS]

  fundamentally changing it that i don't [TS]

  know how i feel about discworld changing [TS]

  like that [TS]

  well you can always go back to the [TS]

  original and then just it's it's back to [TS]

  where it was [TS]

  I'm gonna get you guys are back [TS]

  hey Jason hit Jason what's your favorite [TS]

  Terry Pratchett but the one here at i [TS]

  regard to earth was pretty good I I you [TS]

  guys mentioned Tiffany aching earlier [TS]

  and my one piece of of information that [TS]

  i was going to pass on is that is that [TS]

  just as dance relative whose [TS]

  relationship i can't remember whose the [TS]

  children's librarian likes those my wife [TS]

  is also a children's librarian likes [TS]

  those books very much and it looks like [TS]

  there is that one last Tiffany aching [TS]

  book coming out so that's that's [TS]

  something because she really loved those [TS]

  books too and she be on this episode [TS]

  except she's traveling and it would be [TS]

  her first uncomfortable episode but alas [TS]

  any last thoughts before before we wrap [TS]

  it up [TS]

  don't hesitate to pick us on Twitter for [TS]

  more fragile yeah for 30 years I have [TS]

  been looking in the pratchett section of [TS]

  the bookstore every time I go in just in [TS]

  case there's a new book there and since [TS]

  the Internet has shown up that's been [TS]

  less necessary because I know when a [TS]

  book is due but I checking anyway [TS]

  mhm i'm probably going to keep checking [TS]

  the head forever [TS]

  alright this has been a fitting tribute [TS]

  and I'm I'm glad you guys could be here [TS]

  for it [TS]

  so now it comes time for me to thank the [TS]

  people you just listen to talk about [TS]

  terry pratchett for the last hour [TS]

  Monty actually thank you very much thank [TS]

  you Jason Lieser Schmeisser thank you [TS]

  thank you Steve let's thank you very [TS]

  much my pleasure jason hope this is the [TS]

  last one of these we have to do for more [TS]

  tributes nope that's it everybody is [TS]

  going to stop time please stop stop with [TS]

  that I take a holiday def yep even that [TS]

  way stop the tributes of them straight [TS]

  to malice and then work thank you i was [TS]

  good to be here and that's it for this [TS]

  episode of the uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks for listening we will see you [TS]

  next time [TS]