The Talk Show

91: ‘BlackBerry Is Still Technically in Business’, With Dan Frommer

 

  a very special week for you you're now under door for both Google and Microsoft [TS]

  very cool as low as a by the time this episode airs at all of them last week [TS]

  last week [TS]

  cooler in the future that also thanks to Facebook for sponsoring this week dan is [TS]

  referring to last week's during fireball our street bouncer which was Google who [TS]

  took the spot to advertise job openings for their iOS apps which i think is [TS]

  actually a fantastic sponsorship I think that I think that there I hope they do [TS]

  well get some good care if they get one good candidate out of it they'll be [TS]

  delighted yeah it's actually really smart and I'm actually surprised more [TS]

  companies haven't been looking at do you know there are job boards like there's [TS]

  that one that a lot of the sites use but companies like Google and Apple too and [TS]

  and all the big tech companies spend so much money on recruiting it's not even [TS]

  funny so and it's much more because it's really they all had all say that it's [TS]

  the biggest the one of the biggest problems they have right now especially [TS]

  engineers I mean they're willing to buy them for like a million dollars each in [TS]

  these aquifers surely you blog sponsorships here and there are good [TS]

  investment but actually it inspired me to get out my old [TS]

  the only Android device in my house which I've actually never used until [TS]

  today it was it's a nexus 7 that I don't even know how I got it but so long had [TS]

  passed between receiving it and trying to use it that it had actually been [TS]

  bricked my guy I i plug it in for a month and it still didn't charge it all [TS]

  and then today randomly I'm throwing stuff out and just throw out the stupid [TS]

  Nexus 7 that never worked and I plugged it in and started charging so who's to [TS]

  say I've spent the last six hours during software updates on it and now is ready [TS]

  to go so I get to experience the joy of Android four point four I think the [TS]

  Nexus 7 is the current seven instead as well this one is definitely not because [TS]

  it doesn't I don't think it runs the well as a kit kat or something this is [TS]

  definitely a few years old so maybe there's a new Nexus 7 but this is like [TS]

  the first generation but call good stuff we can quibble about our talk about the [TS]

  whole show about what the names of these devices are in the problems of the way [TS]

  that some of the some of them are named you know right up there with them like [TS]

  with the way that they've switched to call an iPad at one point they just [TS]

  called an iPad now just iPad air and iPad Mini the new iPad right the new [TS]

  iPad for a while with Google Nexus they started naming them after their sizes [TS]

  like the Nexus 5 as a five-inch [TS]

  and the Nexus 7 has a seven-inch tablet which is kind of cool while their new [TS]

  but then gets confusing you know if they come out with a new one it says right [TS]

  here on my Google site says Google Nexus 7 so I presume there been more than one [TS]

  tablet with the name Google Nexus like yeah I guess you have no idea but it's [TS]

  funny because Samsung does that with their tablets they do the size but then [TS]

  with the phones they do like the Galaxy S five goals in order of number of [TS]

  releases like the iPhone so right now I wonder if we'll see the end I wonder you [TS]

  know like for example will there will there be a new phone this year called [TS]

  the iPhone sex are they [TS]

  finally got it to you know yeah she's gonna ask you that too because [TS]

  what is it patch cow's ghee report was a Friday that the earth sometime this week [TS]

  now it's two weeks ago what this month sometime in August the report that [TS]

  September is going to be the iPhone event but no you know doesn't say iPhone [TS]

  6 yeah he would however he get his stuff on events as gold I don't think he's [TS]

  ever had a bad report I don't think so but wherever that would mean we'll get [TS]

  to that in a second where that comes from though I mean presumably i always [TS]

  dream he's got somebody with an Apple PR who gives him that stuff but whoever it [TS]

  is my guest to but I have no idea however it is isn't getting given the [TS]

  name of the product I don't think they ever deliberately [TS]

  name they put the date out there just the sort you know I want out there is [TS]

  sort of let everybody know what's coming without actually committing to it right [TS]

  they could back out at the last second patch calculate bad but Apple doesn't [TS]

  really give the name I guess it seems weird now but remember like even the day [TS]

  of the iPad launch no one really knew it was going to be calling people were [TS]

  doubting that it would be called the iPad no yeah I remember that I think [TS]

  that was one of the names that had been thrown out because of like a domain [TS]

  registration or something like that I think some people came up with it [TS]

  naturally just because of iPod and iPad seems like a natural thing for pad size [TS]

  device and everybody immediately dismissed it as sounding like tampon or [TS]

  something like a family what was your name it was the the Slater something [TS]

  know who actually class no [TS]

  was an iPad was in class now wasn't class I forgot that I suggest I now now [TS]

  I don't think ahead and I kind of sickly eyes yeah thats I don't remember I've [TS]

  actually makes more sense for these things because I was stood for Internet [TS]

  rightly [TS]

  iMac was the internet supposedly that's how is introduced with the iMac as a as [TS]

  the first Mac go to the Internet age and I think that the iMac was the first I [TS]

  product right it was you know but then again they say it was made for internet [TS]

  but then the one that really cemented the deal and was a decade-long [TS]

  foundation of the company [TS]

  the iPod didn't get internet access until the iPod Touch [TS]

  had nothing to do with the internet exactly but then my phone if it's [TS]

  perfectly because that was like the first phone that actually did the [TS]

  internet better than it did the phone yeah I think I think what happened no I [TS]

  think it's never explained never talked about but like the undercurrent is that [TS]

  lower case I capital product name just means Apple product that said yes it [TS]

  doesn't really have any other connotation just means Apple product [TS]

  right like ever and ever and caused itouch still yeah maybe that's why I'm [TS]

  that's what I just said the iPad maybe I found an old post but I am I gonna read [TS]

  it while talking to you that's rude I could do that I don't even know it's [TS]

  it's called the tablet yeah that's what he said [TS]

  December 31st 2009 yeah I don't know if I should just sit here in the post [TS]

  well you say I want to know what Apple refers to it as the tablet but so far as [TS]

  I can tell thats lol yeah most certainly not the name I had a dream I had [TS]

  predicted it would be the iPod Touch H D which was you know not ultimately not [TS]

  that's kind of what it is but that's ultimately now obviously what they [TS]

  called it I don't know I don't know you're alright whatever doesn't matter [TS]

  but speaking of those event dates something weird happened this past week [TS]

  where you like made up you made a typical John Gruber offhand comment you [TS]

  know seemingly knowing comment about some sort of risk device coming next [TS]

  month I was cracking a joke about the Motorola MOTO 271 and the house looks on [TS]

  the side where eighty five major dams 27278 like that and the round at the [TS]

  bottom of the circle is cut off but it charges on its side and so when you're [TS]

  charging it it's like the and watch terms the eight nine and ten o'clock [TS]

  side is cut off but for some inexplicable reason even though they cut [TS]

  off that part of the circular display they decide to show the charge as as a [TS]

  circular meter around the perimeter which which means it's between like [TS]

  seven when you're in between 70 and 90 percent you have no idea whether you're [TS]

  in its seventh year now and they're shipping it they're going to ship that [TS]

  pride so I was cracking a joke about that and I said I should actually quoted [TS]

  as I guess it's the exact language I chose which is unfortunate I rode the [TS]

  only way this could get funnier would be if it doesn't even ship until after [TS]

  Apple announces their risk of wearable thing next month and then I miss this is [TS]

  a backstory on this is true you know my description of the talk shows [TS]

  directors commentary on fireball so here we are [TS]

  I posted that this is that was Friday and we [TS]

  Orlando Florida after a week or so theme park fun on my way to the airport I [TS]

  don't know either on my way to the airport at the airport when I posted [TS]

  that and what was your intent you were just goofing around I wanted to be like [TS]

  if if the the watch the risk thing comes out at next month's event it would be [TS]

  funny if [TS]

  but motile motorola's promises that it's going to ship in this summer which gives [TS]

  them to like September 21st and they haven't announced it yet and i think is [TS]

  gonna look really really bad as soon as apple unveils whatever it is that [TS]

  they're working on and I think it's almost certain at this point that Apple [TS]

  is working on something and it's almost certainly is going to be announced this [TS]

  year and if it is announced this year it almost certainly been either in [TS]

  September or October I don't know right and then adding to this was that I don't [TS]

  know if it was published shortly before your poster shortly after but hausky [TS]

  posted [TS]

  citing sources whatever that it's going to happen in October period [TS]

  wearable yeah I didn't know that I thought June he updated down [TS]

  I thought he posted at like June 6th that it was that they were shooting for [TS]

  an October date now maybe there was an old article but I am 22 me like who's [TS]

  your money on grouper or we're passing well my my my people seem to think I'm [TS]

  more prescient then then then I am and I know I do know that I have a terrible [TS]

  terrible guilty habit I should really should be guilty about it but I'm not of [TS]

  what I do have information coyly putting it out there without a source as as [TS]

  though it's my own speculation comment this is from June 6 the ads from job [TS]

  hunt I got Punk'd and played I thought it was published like the same time is [TS]

  your candy and if you read it he didn't say Apple is going to announce it in [TS]

  October his June 16 said a police shooting for October release it you know [TS]

  meaning you know who you know well as June I mean they saw a lot of work to do [TS]

  whatever it is that they get that they're working on June means they still [TS]

  have a lot of work left to do I write anything and like in the last several [TS]

  years they've had basically the September event and the October event [TS]

  and you know if it's not ready for september you can do in October but if [TS]

  it is ready and if it's you know the kind of thing that is being pitched as [TS]

  an iPhone accessory basically and why not show it off in September but well [TS]

  anyway read this if you read the sentence that I wrote I wrote the only [TS]

  way this could get fun it would be if it doesn't even ship until after Apple [TS]

  announces their wrists wearable thing next month and I when I wrote that I [TS]

  even thought I should probably put something if they announced in September [TS]

  instead of October or something like something like that yeah but it's [TS]

  anything like that takes the piss and vinegar out of the joke and I didn't [TS]

  write when Apple announces their risk horrible thing next month cuz if that [TS]

  was the clause I was thinking about writing I would have used if instead of [TS]

  one [TS]

  yes Apple announces the responsible thing [TS]

  so and the whole thing is also further complicated that I was doing it from my [TS]

  phone which makes me lazy it does it makes me lazier to rewrite a sentence [TS]

  whereas if I was at my desk I might you know I did notice that I noticed that [TS]

  someone could read that as me saying that they're definitely going to do in [TS]

  September that everybody knows that making a joke about the Moto 360 it's [TS]

  like a two and a half hour flight from Orlando back to Philly and it happened [TS]

  to be a plane with no wifi so I had no idea no wifi there was a hashtag johnny [TS]

  was his Gruber legendary landed and I get off and it is gone like bananas it [TS]

  was like top of technique John Gruber confirms is gonna be released in [TS]

  September as i no i didnt for Friday's mandate and then you know it's like 10 [TS]

  o'clock on a Friday and I guess I should update and because I didn't say that I [TS]

  don't let the other people look foolish for reading too much into it [TS]

  yeah and there's too much it was like too much to update because I do think [TS]

  certain amount not so I'm certain that they're planning to announce it either [TS]

  in September or October I don't know that they will anything can happen at [TS]

  the last minute but I think that they'll have two events just be mainly in this [TS]

  is one thing I often forget is even people who like read my stuff you know [TS]

  listen to the show important in there so many people who read down fireball and [TS]

  followed tech period but who don't seem to pick up on the varied to me very [TS]

  obvious patterns of Apple as a company that you know I say this a lot I repeat [TS]

  myself in this but they're a company of annual patterns and they do break them [TS]

  sometimes you know the iPhone used to be a thing the first few years that came [TS]

  out in June or early July very early July and then it switched to becoming [TS]

  like late September thing [TS]

  announced in early September least two weeks later and once they switch that [TS]

  that they stuck to the [TS]

  and they've stuck to it ever since and last few years they've had September [TS]

  event with the iPhone and an October event with the iPad and I just assume [TS]

  that they're probably stick to that this year and therefore they've got to event [TS]

  one of the end if they're gonna do the wearable thing they'll have to pick one [TS]

  of those two events 22 you know included on so I you know I don't have anybody [TS]

  who's told me that I don't know nobody told me I'm just I do think it's very in [TS]

  some ways it makes sense as the other thing too is it's not just that they [TS]

  have to pick one of the two events and find time for it but their event [TS]

  typically have like a narrative that runs through them and if they're [TS]

  announcing more than one thing they figure out some kind of way to tie it [TS]

  together in the show as part of like one story and I kind of feel right like a [TS]

  wearable risk thing sounds to me like something I would be easier to tie in [TS]

  with new iPhones then with the iPad yes especially if it requires an iPhone to [TS]

  be used right well we can talk about that later [TS]

  that's a question but I do think though that even if you are Lisa goes best with [TS]

  him and others if it's an accessory if it's a $200 iPhone accessory you know [TS]

  show it off with the iPhone right and the new iPad's last year came with the [TS]

  m7 co-processor to but it certainly makes a lot more sense that if the [TS]

  storyline is about health and fitness tracking right health kids sort of you [TS]

  know going out health care expanding from a little ninety second spot during [TS]

  WWDC to here's why we're doing this you know ninety minute presentation on on [TS]

  health and fitness tracking with a bunch of partners etc [TS]

  it seems to me like that would fit more naturally with the iPhone and new [TS]

  iPhones that also have or I guess maybe having m8 fitness you know activity [TS]

  tracker then with the iPad which you know I feel like they concluded the m7 [TS]

  on the iPad because why not very expensive component but I don't think [TS]

  tracking your feet based on your iPad is going to give you you know your [TS]

  footsteps is gonna give you a very accurate count [TS]

  right yeah I mean if it and if it needs any sort of Bluetooth connection to a [TS]

  device to sink to that you know your cloud kit right cloud whatever your [TS]

  iCloud account is that's most likely going to be an iPhone and an iPad yeah [TS]

  it probably could technically be an iPad but my guess is that the majority of [TS]

  people will sync with a knife and further complicating this is Yosemite in [TS]

  a complicated and I was clarifying it is Yosemite which last year the Mac OS 10 [TS]

  update shipped in October not September and I think they ever for right or maybe [TS]

  not I don't know why should I make a note last year did and I know this year [TS]

  it seems to be tracking behind iOS and mark Gurman 9 to 5 Mac said it was an [TS]

  octave was gonna come in October with its makes a lot of sense and it just [TS]

  doesn't make sense to assuming you know it also even if it were ready just [TS]

  doesn't make sense as part of the iPhone event whereas it makes more sense as the [TS]

  iPad event because iPads and Macs are a little bit more similar overlapping and [TS]

  so if they're going to do and that's what they've done the past few years is [TS]

  sort of repeat the Yosemite things from WABC you know these 10 features we think [TS]

  you really want to know about you know some of us who pay close attention and [TS]

  remember the WWDC keynote clearly a little bit of a repeat but for people [TS]

  who have been paying close attention which is you know part of the whole [TS]

  message you know whole point of marketing is to repeat your message to [TS]

  get it through that's what they do but I presume that take up a big chunk of the [TS]

  October event especially if there's a 12 inch paper thin MacBook Air retina ready [TS]

  to go [TS]

  yeah but i dont their runs at a chip now is the right time [TS]

  which I don't think so I found a post on Business Insider that says quote canvas [TS]

  a perfect name for Apple tablet says Apple God John Gruber who may have [TS]

  written that paper that was me there anyway a campus that was the hindsight [TS]

  that sense stupid that's why they don't have been named but but i pad sounded [TS]

  stupid to her and maybe called it [TS]

  campus I don't know I guess the one thing the one thing about iPad in [TS]

  hindsight is somehow makes it feel like [TS]

  sibling to iPhone in a way that if they called it the one thing i phone any [TS]

  other thing canvas that they wouldn't seem like there is aligned yeah [TS]

  especially you know with the notion that they're gonna rename iPhone OS to iOS to [TS]

  think was that before or after the way before well iPod Touch but yeah oh yeah [TS]

  but they still call it I they never seemed to hesitated to to to make it [TS]

  clear that the iPod Touch despite its name was an iPhone without ya iPhone OS [TS]

  four named renamed iOS 4 2010 so yeah that's true I mean and and circling back [TS]

  to what you said you know back 10 minutes ago [TS]

  you know it's true that nobody nope not only do people not know the name of the [TS]

  first iPad in 2010 nobody really knew there was no confirmation no leaks that [TS]

  it ran iPhone what was then called iPhone OS like I a footnote on my piece [TS]

  the tablet I would not be surprised to find out that the tablet uses UIKit aka [TS]

  Coco touches its programming API like I kind of thought it would seem to make [TS]

  sense to me but not nobody knew there weren't any kind of leak nothing leaked [TS]

  out of them [TS]

  my favorite was a article I think from Nick Bilton [TS]

  where he said that [TS]

  paraphrase would surprise you [TS]

  it was basically like get ready for a big surprise about you will be very [TS]

  surprised by how you interact with the new tablet I don't know just like I told [TS]

  him that doesn't seem to find my own situation was was a woman with a with a [TS]

  crazy bring helmet on brain measurement that that would have been a very apt [TS]

  description for the original iPhone but not you know fact I guess it's really [TS]

  good really say it's wrong given how many people came out of the iPad intro [TS]

  with I can't believe you got all excited for that it's just a big iPhone exactly [TS]

  yeah and actually did a round up before the iPad was announced of kind of artist [TS]

  renderings of what it might look like and there's actually one that looks [TS]

  exactly like the current iPad Mini by his ass Diaz of Gizmodo it looks exactly [TS]

  like today's iPad Mini it did not look like the first iPad but it's kind of [TS]

  funny so I saw some of those renderings of whatever i watch is going to be [TS]

  called might be somewhat accurate someday in the future but I don't know I [TS]

  do wonder about that I do I heard one thing you know it may take a break and [TS]

  we'll get back to it let me tell you about our good friends at Backblaze you [TS]

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  thing in System Preferences said it out [TS]

  stays our way just runs in the background and then everything on your [TS]

  Mac even external drives plugged in his backs up to back blazes [TS]

  online hosted servers takes a while for the first backup especially depending on [TS]

  your upstream thing there's no no getting around that might take awhile [TS]

  might a couple days maybe a week depending on how much stuff you have to [TS]

  get up there after that everything's incremental just stays backed up then [TS]

  you can do whatever you can restore one file at the time you can restore all [TS]

  your files disaster strikes or your your across the country but need your whole [TS]

  system do not want to do you can get them to hold back up on an external [TS]

  drive to pay for it but then they'll ship it right to you get it all right [TS]

  back in your hands right away they have an iPhone app so you can access and [TS]

  share any of your files from wherever you are and I have to tunnel through [TS]

  anything to get tears on Mac Mac could be sleeping in your backpack offline you [TS]

  can just use your iPhone and access back places tough and get anyone file that [TS]

  you need to send it off send it off from the iPhone app great great software you [TS]

  get a risk-free no credit card required work wired trial nothing's wrong I don't [TS]

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  how it works and I guarantee by the end of that you'll be given to her credit [TS]

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  five bucks a month for each Mac that you wanna having about it the best deal I [TS]

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  cause people keep signing up I can't believe everybody hasn't signed up on [TS]

  actually have a Backblaze pro tip is the first time I you know that first sync [TS]

  obviously is going to take a long time because there's never a terabyte of data [TS]

  that it was going so unbelievably slow I didn't know it was wrong I was like you [TS]

  know what maybe do a hundred make a day and it turned out that my stupid iMac [TS]

  was falling asleep after whatever 10 minutes each time and that was [TS]

  interrupting the upload process somehow so I turned sleep off and boomers done [TS]

  in like two days just have it set to display to sleep in monitor yeah so and [TS]

  maybe it's cuz its old old ass I'm acted with the spinning hard drive in on stuff [TS]

  but try that if if it's you need to speed up I have heard one whisper I mean [TS]

  this is horribly like third-party third-hand just something floating in [TS]

  the wind but that the whatever the wearable thing that they have coming out [TS]

  that it has a square display I don't even though I would so I would know it [TS]

  has a Display that's what I've heard that has which to me is interesting if [TS]

  it's true that implies a lot of things I think if it has a Display to me that [TS]

  means its gonna maybe it is more of a watch type thing I i've declined to call [TS]

  it a watch [TS]

  certainly the kind of call it the iWatch not because I know that it is not a [TS]

  watch and I've seen people on Twitter speculate on that I call it a risk [TS]

  wearable thing that doesn't mean that I know that it's not a watch it just means [TS]

  that I don't know what the heck it is and I don't know that it is what I just [TS]

  know that they're working on her wrist wearable thing I've heard that has a [TS]

  square display I think that I think anna has do I don't know I those mockups Dec [TS]

  where people make it like the whole band is flexible display and it's a lot of it [TS]

  is displaying late look cool as a as a mockup but I think they're problematic [TS]

  if you think about it [TS]

  practical terms because which way they oriented yeah you know i mean like if [TS]

  you know you seen those markets but if it's just a ban [TS]

  and and the whole top half of it is color display to get a lot of text you [TS]

  have to turn your wrist sideways otherwise you just have a real skinny [TS]

  display that's real talk even had some stupid ideas were like the display part [TS]

  pops out you can spin it has made any sense but yeah I don't know so I don't [TS]

  remember the last time I talked to you about this but I did a story a few weeks [TS]

  ago for court so I dug up every Apple wearable that they've ever shipped and [TS]

  posted photos of it you know dating back to the old iPod remote which clipped [TS]

  onto your shirt and actually my favorite with the Sony minidisc remote controls [TS]

  which I didn't I don't think I posted the article but they were awesome they [TS]

  had like little display on a mini clip right under your shirt but then also [TS]

  Apple has done obviously we're buds and the iPod shuffle series including you [TS]

  know three or four different designs of the iPod shuffle including one that they [TS]

  kind of screwed up and had reversed course and and then of course the the [TS]

  last one was the iPod Nano which people made watch bands for not the current [TS]

  iPod Nano right previous I've got one in my hand right now [TS]

  yeah which which is surprisingly similar obviously you know many years have [TS]

  passed and technologies improve but those like LG and Samsung watches just [TS]

  seemed like there that and I don't know maybe apples I know this is brilliant [TS]

  let's let's shift course on the iPod nano and we'll come back to this watch [TS]

  thing and make it look just like this in a few years but I don't know me you know [TS]

  it seems to me like if that was the right course of action they would have [TS]

  just kept with it I think it was called the Tik Tok Tik Tok [TS]

  it was an early and Kickstarter and huge success success to watch band to fit [TS]

  this little the little square now I have one right here I believe Apple later [TS]

  sold them in this in their store they did something and I think other [TS]

  companies came out I don't think anybody had the success that these guys had but [TS]

  I've sent to people before I like what I see these Android where devices coming [TS]

  out that if they don't look better and the tick tock which iPod Nano combined [TS]

  with the tick tock which is a device that wasn't even designed to be a watch [TS]

  then that problem [TS]

  yeah I give you can if you can't make a watch that looks better than a device [TS]

  that wasn't really designed to be a watch that could be made into one by a [TS]

  Kickstarter for years ago for years ago or whatever works three or four years [TS]

  ago [TS]

  yeah and that's you know that the round screen like maybe that's progress but [TS]

  but just everything about iOS and obviously Mac OS has been built on the [TS]

  screens with corners and a top and bottom and that kind of stuff and I give [TS]

  you see how hard it's been just to get people to make iPad apps I don't know [TS]

  about getting you know having a man rethink everything again for a round for [TS]

  round given traditional watches and clocks where your you've got this radio [TS]

  dial of an hour and second hands that sweep around a circle that make sense [TS]

  you're showing circular dial to make sense to put in a circle it's a reason [TS]

  why all sorts of things that use a dial like a speedometer in the car tachometer [TS]

  in a car [TS]

  have crop circle right crop circles sundial have you know traditionally been [TS]

  are often are circles but for everything else it doesn't circles are pre [TS]

  problematic as its play like for displaying text of any kind because you [TS]

  only get the full width right at the quick response to read it [TS]

  spiral or something right laying out text circle is incredibly inefficient [TS]

  yeah yeah so when you say squared you literally mean square do you mean [TS]

  rectangular no I mean square you know like the iPod now interesting you know [TS]

  again this i mean you can add another thing that is as insiders gonna trooper [TS]

  says iPhone iPod Nano is it square right now I might still have a login I don't [TS]

  know it should save it went to be honest I should take Gruber says sketchy [TS]

  third-hand source here's whisper that Apple wearable things might have square [TS]

  display yeah I know I don't know I wouldn't bet money on well I now I would [TS]

  bet big that there will be there will be some wearable thing unveiled in [TS]

  September or October I would bet an extra $5 that it would have asked where [TS]

  I could see that I'm on that side too so the biggest implication of it having a [TS]

  display is battery life is the battery is having a display to mean is that it [TS]

  generated leads all sorts of questions about how the how is this thing gonna [TS]

  have a usable battery life yeah because that is one nice thing about this Nexus [TS]

  7 is that it's already told me that over half of the power of consumed is the [TS]

  screen design USA tell you that I remember something like that yeah you [TS]

  know what they have an app shaming feature but I don't think like like [TS]

  Android has had that for a while and we'll tell you things that aren't just [TS]

  based on here but things like cellular networking right in general and the [TS]

  display just a power display I think that the iOS a feature only lists apps [TS]

  by the order in which they've consumed energy yeah yeah so 58 percent of my [TS]

  Nexus 7 energy consumption [TS]

  has been the screen today I have a feeling that that shaming featureless I [TS]

  think I'm proved popular I think it's also going to cause some weird problems [TS]

  I think part of it is because people are gonna be surprised by what's using power [TS]

  I've heard I don't use Facebook so I don't know but I've heard from a lot of [TS]

  people that Facebook . app uses consumes and unseemly amount of energy based on [TS]

  the default settings for background stuff that it tries oh yeah interesting [TS]

  well that's good then so I think I think I think it might even be a big reason [TS]

  why I of course you know in combination with the fact that use a lot of power [TS]

  it's on a lot of iPhones and people more than any other app that's a good [TS]

  question I thought about that with the Google sponsorship of of daring fireball [TS]

  for iOS apps because clearly if you you know some of Google's apps or are [TS]

  inordinately popular Google Maps I would guess the most popular other girl right [TS]

  but I would think so you know but a bunch of their apps are very popular [TS]

  Gmail's their Gmail app is super popular yeah they're Search app yeah which i [TS]

  think was their first appt maybe yeah I think the one that's just called Google [TS]

  and it's the one that gives you the Google now functionality but clearly [TS]

  with the Google certainly Google's apps you can reach a lot more people than our [TS]

  YouTube is probably be number one [TS]

  maybe YouTube is number one i dont know cause for so long it was a system app [TS]

  and then everyone had to read get it and I don't know at least on certain [TS]

  contingent of people it's gotta be number one [TS]

  like my facebook is the all-time number one yeah I would if I had to bet on [TS]

  what's the most popular app of all but what happens on the highest percentage [TS]

  of iPhones and news I would to Facebook so if that is really a huge power suck [TS]

  then we're gonna hear about right although you know there's a difference [TS]

  between consumption [TS]

  and while the band with examples another one so I just did a post on Friday where [TS]

  I revealed the where the last six point eight gigs of my cellular data have gone [TS]

  and the biggest the biggest source was twitter twitter which you know you think [TS]

  of is a simple hundred forty character text app used over 2 gigabytes of data [TS]

  for me in the last few months just kind of surprising that you know of course a [TS]

  lot of that is photos and built-in web browser and that kind of stuff but I [TS]

  never would have guessed that Twitter was my number one bandwidth hog and [TS]

  actually I asked courts readers to fill out a survey of their number one app [TS]

  that uses the most cellular bandwidth imma do a write-up of those findings to [TS]

  but a lot of them I looked at him so far a lot of them also say tweet but and [TS]

  yeah and Twitter so well it is the case with my my iOS 8 I'm using this summer [TS]

  on the basis on your old iPhone 5 that every time I got you go to Settings [TS]

  General usage battery usage and it shows you wait a couple seconds [TS]

  list straps battery usage tweet but is number one for me but I know how much I [TS]

  use Twitter when I'm on my phone and that includes late one night Apple Inc [TS]

  most of the time I just read it right there in tweet bots built-in browser [TS]

  total now use it to watch videos too and you know it's not just the actual tweets [TS]

  and reading the way that on iOS you load the web pages and videos and stuff by [TS]

  the fault in the Twitter client contributes that so based on my you know [TS]

  and I don't know exactly how much I used to be but my hunch is that their battery [TS]

  you know their their number one ranking [TS]

  the battery usage is totally fair and it's completely in line with how much I [TS]

  used to it but but I that there's gonna be a lot of people and I even saw think [TS]

  Paul is part of that truck parts or whatever their company name is what I [TS]

  call it a part that would work too [TS]

  tablets he even said back right after the features announced in WVC that is [TS]

  dreading it because he knows you know that they're gonna they're gonna get [TS]

  blamed for a iphone says tweet budget in the most power no actually you're just a [TS]

  Twitter addict and that's how it works yet but it's so Facebook is using a lot [TS]

  of power in the background no that's you know that's potentially problematic [TS]

  another and I actually think I've turned off [TS]

  background app refresh for Facebook and location services and a lot of the new [TS]

  Foursquare app to is always calling your location [TS]

  turned all that stuff off there is a couple weeks ago where it was former [TS]

  Apple Genius posting a top 10 here's how to get more battery from your iPhone and [TS]

  Mike number number one was turned off everything for Facebook in the [TS]

  background totally but it doesn't think I think someone was saying how they did [TS]

  then and there that percentage went up maybe even on the show and I don't know [TS]

  why I dunno I just checked my beta I found that it doesn't list anything like [TS]

  that [TS]

  screen or ok just a list of apps but anyway I do think though that if it has [TS]

  a screen and it sounds to me like probably does that unless Apple is [TS]

  invented some kind of new technology which I wouldn't put it past them but [TS]

  could mean that it's like in the best case you forgot to charge it every [TS]

  couple days thing yeah I also met with a guy not long ago who makes chips for [TS]

  wearable devices and some of the stuff that is going on there is interesting to [TS]

  like chips that generate power based on [TS]

  motion and that kinda stuff right which is an old idea from the white world [TS]

  trade where automatic watches which have been around I think they came out in the [TS]

  fifties but I think they were sort of a novelty but then by the sixties you know [TS]

  a lot of high-end most high-end wristwatches road could come with an [TS]

  automatic movement which man that once wound if you wore it just the motion of [TS]

  going through the day would keep it called the Wellspring something like [TS]

  that some kind of spring keep it around so as long as you keep wearing a watch [TS]

  it'll stage right now wants but I watched it was powered by water and that [TS]

  was stupid [TS]

  at the new work very well he's serious water on it and then it would supposedly [TS]

  shock itself may be in store didn't really work on getting something like to [TS]

  meet Mr fusion drive from Back to the Future where they yeah right like China [TS]

  power light ball with the potato or something just you know why but the [TS]

  white world long recognized that even just daily winding your watch is a pain [TS]

  in the ass and you know I think the effort that went into designing [TS]

  automatic movements it's fascinating to me it's exactly like you know it's like [TS]

  that I think the type of mind even today that go into like being like mechanical [TS]

  watch maker or someone who repairs is a lot like being a programmer because [TS]

  you're thinking of you know if this you know the gear moves this way it'll do [TS]

  this and sixty times I mean it'll do this you know it's the same sort of [TS]

  logical mind set that required for computer programming I think coming up [TS]

  with these automatic movements that never need to be well as long as you [TS]

  keep took enormous amount of work but I think it's because they recognize that [TS]

  daily every day waking up and having no one to watch was keeping people from [TS]

  where [TS]

  watches yeah and you know how many charging stations you need buyer next [TS]

  year bed now I mean you know that that Motorola watch things did not look like [TS]

  the kind of thing I'd want to have to deal with every day or two right and [TS]

  there's so many questions like a divisive to charge comes with so many [TS]

  things number one just how many devices just to charge on a regular basis like [TS]

  it's asking a lot even asking for one is a lot like there could come a time [TS]

  twenty or thirty years from now where we look back on having to charge anything [TS]

  on a regular basis as laughable right and yet at the same time now we've I [TS]

  mean I have to charge my ipod every day but I have to charge my phone every day [TS]

  and even then it's like that means every time I travel of gotta take a charger [TS]

  alright so the clasp of the watch is the lightning port plug yeah you know that's [TS]

  a great question is lightning lightning port waterproof I've heard people [TS]

  speculate that they are you know that the one reason phone iPhone still isn't [TS]

  waterproof is the audio port and a phone that claimed to be I don't know I think [TS]

  that a traditional audio port can't be made waterproof people correct me if I'm [TS]

  wrong but that I lightning in theory could be but Apple doesn't advertise it [TS]

  as such because the iPhone is water resistant to that but the lightning port [TS]

  could be but a lightning port on a watchword be ugly yeah I mean that's [TS]

  just the Nike FuelBand has this weird thing where the unlock locking clasp [TS]

  type thing is part of the charging system right so yeah I guess if the if [TS]

  they but you still needed like a little dark for it and wasn't wasn't great so I [TS]

  guess if you hit it somewhere else on the watch the band somewhere somewhere [TS]

  words you know when you have it off your of exposed but when it's on you don't [TS]

  see it could be something clever like that but even then even if it's a [TS]

  lightning port you're still asking people who you know to have another [TS]

  ur lightning port at the bedside and another one that you take with you when [TS]

  you travel and then there's also the wireless charging stuff but it seems [TS]

  like it's still several years away from so wireless charging ports or or [TS]

  portable wireless charging his interest in Kazan you don't have an ugly port on [TS]

  the device right but then you've got to have a doc that you take with you [TS]

  everywhere you go wherever you want to charges and so if you have one bedside [TS]

  and then when you travel what do you do you take your picture one with you have [TS]

  to buy a second one for $50 and keeping its now ready i mean someday it'll be [TS]

  built into all kinds of stuff I think star boxes rolling out a new tables that [TS]

  heaven built into the table or something but this can take way too long before [TS]

  it's even so I don't know if it if it was a device without it [TS]

  screen I could see how Apple could have something you know a lot of inventive [TS]

  stuff to keep power usage down and maybe you know like you said like motion so [TS]

  that you can use that to charge it I have a citizen watch from a couple years [TS]

  ago that has they called eco-drive you CEO / driv its quartz watch battery [TS]

  operated but the battery recharges with a solar cell that on the face of the [TS]

  watch and what you can hardly see against certain like you can see that [TS]

  it's not really a black dial it's it's got like slightly not black in the [TS]

  center of it because it's actually a solar cell and it worked great to watch [TS]

  keeps perfect time and I've never needed to replace the battery way in a way past [TS]

  the time when you'd have to replace a regular quartz watch battery but I don't [TS]

  think there's much you know I think you know using solar to charge something [TS]

  that only tells the time in the day of the month is a far cry from even that no [TS]

  display fitness tracker [TS]

  ur that's going to have Bluetooth in you know other type of things like that and [TS]

  the many yet the Instagram app all bets are off but if it has a Display I think [TS]

  some kind of magical charging seemingly magical charging that doesn't need you [TS]

  to charge it in every couple of days is out of the question if it has a Display [TS]

  it's gotta be something you charge every couple of days at least and then that [TS]

  means to me that it has to be far more compelling in terms of what it does to [TS]

  get people to buy into the household buying another daily or near daily [TS]

  charging device it's gotta be way more compelling than something that they'd [TS]

  just by this arrest and it'll just work for weeks and we need to charge it has a [TS]

  headphone jack probably not if it needs to be water is this right I think [TS]

  anything you put a wrist has to be water resistant yeah and you know he watches [TS]

  the head like a built-in FM radio and i got very excited about that [TS]

  that idea of listening to baseball game you know without needing anything else [TS]

  but not very practical so you look like a moron with earbuds coming off your [TS]

  wrist yeah you do actually the reason I bought the tick tock as I thought this [TS]

  would be great I can wear my nano one may rest when I run but somehow it's it [TS]

  way too I found it WAY worse in my arm was always getting tangled in the cord [TS]

  comparing [TS]

  armbands I kind of work but you know a lot of people run with the arm arm band [TS]

  around your biceps right but they were all the way down your risk right it's [TS]

  because it doesn't work out as well I think that if it somehow broadcast audio [TS]

  it has to be over Bluetooth yeah [TS]

  alright the the Bluetooth ear pods that where someone made up the fake secret [TS]

  about those [TS]

  a ride on the secret yeah I don't think I don't know if I ever talked about on [TS]

  the show because it happened at WWDC which also and I was yes I tried before [TS]

  us know it was while I was in San Francisco for WBC and it was such a busy [TS]

  hectic week for me but yet again I think top of technique it was like an [TS]

  anonymous post on secret that somebody who had been on the wireless headphones [TS]

  team was just let go from Apple that the whole team have been let go and that [TS]

  they were so bitter that they were going to spoil it and there are wireless [TS]

  headphones coming out for new devices this fall and then I couple after [TS]

  everybody had taken it as the synonymous post on secret it must be true or is [TS]

  probably true or is at least worth reporting that a couple days later the [TS]

  same guy was like hey I'm sorry I may have made the whole thing just great you [TS]

  know it's plausible but it was implausible forget that it was [TS]

  impossible because it doesn't it didn't make any sense [TS]

  earbuds are oh yeah but it didn't make any sense that Apple would disband the [TS]

  team know if they were successful at designing a mean like if they had failed [TS]

  to design the headphones maybe that got people would get fired because hey we [TS]

  told the design Wireless had fun doing it and do it but if they did the point [TS]

  of that post wasn't we did and that are coming out in a pretty cool and it [TS]

  doesn't get a promotion and you take over everything ok but it was like a [TS]

  complete no company is Apple's the one company that's what company but same [TS]

  company would run around but congratulations on just successfully [TS]

  well I would be as part of Microsoft might as part of the downsizing right [TS]

  they've announced that they've got to lay people off if they want to reduce [TS]

  headcount [TS]

  layoff now all those little interesting they got rid of so many people for beats [TS]

  but I guess those we're not like the core people that day [TS]

  acquire the company for so it certainly wasn't like they required the company [TS]

  right I wonder if there if that's going to be something they talked about yet in [TS]

  September / October or if it's too soon for that like a you know any sort of new [TS]

  stuff from being one thing I'd love is an Apple TV app because none of the [TS]

  other subscription music services have one and there be you know a reason for [TS]

  me to think about using beats is if I could never thought of myself from the [TS]

  TV I was thinking the other day because you know I have my whole iTunes Match [TS]

  library available there and wanted to use that to play music when we had some [TS]

  people over and you know there's no Spotify app on the radio app on the [TS]

  Apple TV be awesome if they kick one out pretty quickly for beats but I might be [TS]

  asking too much it's only the deal just close like couple weeks ago so I wonder [TS]

  about that and I want to I wondered to how it ties into whether or not and I [TS]

  you know again this is pure speculation but whether or not there's a major Apple [TS]

  TV update coming soon [TS]

  you know he isn't there like a better one with it with a slightly refreshed [TS]

  look for something I don't know about that I don't know if it has a new look I [TS]

  think there's a new build last week I don't know I don't touch the basis for [TS]

  that kind of stuff I'm not sure right but I just wonder though that if Apple [TS]

  was going to commit to making a beat a probable TV whether they would do it for [TS]

  the current Apple TV generation put that in the right yeah third major version of [TS]

  the iOS Apple TV yeah they've been adding a bunch of stuff a lot of it is [TS]

  you know not very useful but I think there's a new NFL app coming or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  yeah well I'm gonna have possible to do this and a ticket and nothing else that [TS]

  DirecTV still controls there but I think there's a NFL app that does other stuff [TS]

  but I haven't been paying that close of attention now here it is Apple TV NFL [TS]

  Sunday Ticket coming to iOS not not Apple TV iOS and Mac for 20 rain know it [TS]

  is decoupled from DirecTV now it's no longer exclusive to DIRECTV which i [TS]

  think is going to be huge [TS]

  well now that's not actually true now people got really excited because there [TS]

  were some news release about that but if you if you read the fine print you have [TS]

  to punch in your zip code and most of america does not qualify for the [TS]

  streaming direct streaming Sunday Ticket like my in Chicago my mom's zip code [TS]

  does not qualify in New York you can do abbeville has been able to do in New [TS]

  York because it's almost impossible to get DirecTV here but Dad that was blown [TS]

  way out of proportion [TS]

  that's actually not not that not happening it's like University people [TS]

  who live in dorms can do it and then also people who live in basically New [TS]

  York City and maybe I dunno but some other cities where you just can't [TS]

  install a dish that they assume most people can cause obviously I guess some [TS]

  people in new york city could but right but most people like a place to stay you [TS]

  know screw in the satellite dish with the southern reception on icon stuff I [TS]

  don't have that [TS]

  yeah I don't know but there's like I think in NFL app coming that some other [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  yeah some NFL app on oh yeah well most of the other major pro leagues have have [TS]

  something somewhere yeah I mean that's half the reason I have a Apple TV is the [TS]

  at bat or whatever it's called right now no breaking new ground here but it does [TS]

  though every every time they had a nap or whatever you want to call a channel [TS]

  to the current Apple TV its trains the limits of the simple up down left right [TS]

  infrared remote more and more so I'd still think that it's a sign that a new [TS]

  Apple TV is coming with some kind of new UI [TS]

  yeah there at this point and you know and you can like the stuff I guess but [TS]

  you know all the things that make the App Store so logical and great like you [TS]

  know developers being able to issue updates and all that kind of stuff that [TS]

  I still very much missing from the infrared thing is just it's just rain [TS]

  pour more because it's like coasters in front of my Apple TV and i couldnt is [TS]

  the remote had to move them block in the line of sight like we have the Xbox one [TS]

  now and I don't usually use it as a TV but the main Xbox interface though is is [TS]

  sorta like Windows seven in a row with tiles in some of the Towson bigan summer [TS]

  small but you largely navigated up down left right select but because you have a [TS]

  real controller then it's got a Bluetooth connection every time you hit [TS]

  up it goes up every time you hit right it goes right and it happens instantly [TS]

  because it's a controller it's built for you know video game-like timing and [TS]

  every time I go back to the Apple TV and it's like up just to go up one's trying [TS]

  to target the little sensor exactly as I got this maddening even just switching [TS]

  the Bluetooth would be great I think that they'll probably do more but even [TS]

  if they just came out with an Apple TV that a Bluetooth remote and stocked up [TS]

  down left right select it would be an upgrade at think that's the kind of [TS]

  thing that's right it all there waiting for other stuff but I wanted to though [TS]

  if they have something more in mind for the main interface than just five by [TS]

  whatever grid of apps because it's there's a certain limit to that you know [TS]

  to the usefulness yeah I know but you also think they may have done that for [TS]

  the phone by now and they haven't done anything like that I wonder if they do [TS]

  it with the beats out I wonder it would be an interesting sign of how are they [TS]

  gonna treat beat are they going to treat beats as part of a package like there's [TS]

  you can hold select down on Apple TV on any of the apps outside the top row [TS]

  move them around so I give you use Netflix all the time you can make sure [TS]

  that it's in the upper left right below the built-in movies out but the movies [TS]

  TV shows music computers and settings apps are locked in the top row the one [TS]

  they're tied Apple stuff like would be be treated as one of those Apple things [TS]

  that you can't move around or to be like more like iTunes trailers which is an [TS]

  app that you can move all the way to the bottom if you don't use it right [TS]

  yeah I mean my guess is prime were like iTunes trailers yeah I think so but then [TS]

  they have to different music services gets weird but I words beats go on an [TS]

  iOS to have become part of the music a person that always a separate App Store [TS]

  app I think it looks to keep it separate and I think they're gonna keep the [TS]

  retail stores I brought this up weeks ago when it was first announced but they [TS]

  going to get rid of Bose headphones and you know no way BL no but I'm going to [TS]

  give beat special treatment and I don't think they'll give be bad treatment if [TS]

  they might give them slightly premium treatment you know in terms of a kind of [TS]

  do already I mean happy seems like so many of the headphones repeats to begin [TS]

  with I notice that I went as soon as they announced before they announced it [TS]

  when he just was like a reported hey Apple is going to buy them for this much [TS]

  money and we're all like wow I stopped in the Apple Store just to look at how [TS]

  much beat stuff they had I guess I think it was safe to say that that it was the [TS]

  most dominant had fun in the Apple Store already but but still treated like this [TS]

  is there's a section of the store where we sell stuff from other companies yeah [TS]

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  of the shop were talking about I guess the events next week next month [TS]

  talk about the International [TS]

  Samsung's troubles in ya cuz you wrote about that there was actually a little [TS]

  about it [TS]

  and I've been reading a lot about it and obviously I don't have the encyclopedic [TS]

  knowledge that say Benedict Evans or or Ben Thompson have about you know the [TS]

  asian markets for mobile devices but it's really interesting what's happening [TS]

  right now because and this was gonna write this post or not but remember that [TS]

  slide from the original iPhone announcement where Steve Jobs had all [TS]

  the old smartphones up again it seems like all those companies are current [TS]

  gone basically yeah it was like palm palm Nokia and Blackberry write [TS]

  something like that yeah and i have a samsung up if you did it was the Samsung [TS]

  Blackjack [TS]

  there'd hilariously religion of the BlackBerry [TS]

  I know he referenced the Blackjack here it's the the Motorola Q the BlackBerry [TS]

  the Palm Treo and the Nokia e60 20 Motorola Nokia palm fibre basically all [TS]

  toast so it's interesting because you know and that happen over the course of [TS]

  several years and of course still technically I think now part of its [TS]

  going to be part of Lenovo that's what I don't know if that's actually finalized [TS]

  yet though I don't know that has I don't know but in the new Nokia as part of [TS]

  Microsoft and HP spry still owns the rights to someday relaunch palm or [TS]

  something like that and BlackBerry still technically in business too but you know [TS]

  you you see Samsung flying high and besides Apple the only truly profitable [TS]

  company and mobile and then all the sudden things are looking so great you [TS]

  know in a story that they're getting their butts kicked in China things [TS]

  aren't so great in India either where they supposedly you know had built such [TS]

  a great distribution system and that kind of stuff and it's it's fascinating [TS]

  and and they've been passed they've lost the number one spot for smartphones to [TS]

  shower me right I guess you know of course that's the kind of thing that its [TS]

  price closed syndicate price change back and and and it's to be fair it based on [TS]

  largely on third-party marketshare summaries from companies like IDC which [TS]

  I just linked to a few weeks ago about how you how made up some of their PC [TS]

  market share numbers have been over the years but it's the best that we can go [TS]

  by but at the very least we in there pretty you know I'm sure there in the [TS]

  ballpark but sticking the facts we do know that financially Samsung as have [TS]

  reported a bad quarter yeah fact so it's not out of the question that you know it [TS]

  seems like it matches with that they've lost momentum in China and then they've [TS]

  lost momentum in India which is very different and we have a link to Ben [TS]

  Thompson peas and a news report dinner but about how different India's from [TS]

  China that we called the BRIC countries I'm sure I said this before and it's so [TS]

  weird to me but it's Brazil Russia India and China but really all that those that [TS]

  there are you know that there's different economics from like western [TS]

  europe and EUS but the thing that the only thing that those countries really [TS]

  have in common is that they're huge and then there's a lot of people but like [TS]

  India and China really can't be lumped together as one thing because [TS]

  economically there's so very different but there may be you know billion [TS]

  Shirley Ann [TS]

  and you know so many electronics are made in China that that was natural for [TS]

  local Chinese companies tell the sudden but the biggest difference and Ben [TS]

  Thompson wrote about this was is that in China has incredible economic inequality [TS]

  where yes there are the poor people in China are very very poor by our standard [TS]

  but there's an awful lot of people who are some number of people in China who [TS]

  make you know I've loved very high-income its spread tremendously and [TS]

  even if it's only a few percent few percent of you know two billion people [TS]

  in china is is tens if not hundreds of millions of people in India the poor are [TS]

  even poorer and there's not as much income inequality where the people at [TS]

  the top are making as much as the people in China and so it's a very different [TS]

  economic situation I had a problem samsung Samsung is what I want to [TS]

  mention that I think I'd like to hear your thoughts on it is to me it ties in [TS]

  with a trend that I've noticed recently is that people have sort of shut up [TS]

  about Apple needs to make a cheap iPhone which I was part of a narrative that [TS]

  started about two to three years ago which was hey Samsung is gaining market [TS]

  share in the USA and worldwide in smartphones and Android is you know to [TS]

  gain even faster but Samsung's gobbling up a huge part of it that bad apples in [TS]

  trouble and to the only way they can win back market shares with the cheap cheap [TS]

  iPhone which is very different thing than a lower price iPhone just gently [TS]

  edging lower and lower into lower price points year-over-year that Apple needs a [TS]

  jump in head first with a cheap iPhone to save this off and his luck Samsung's [TS]

  killing Samsung is just her or is growing too fast and now that Samsung's [TS]

  called off I think it coincides with people who is JJs who had a post on [TS]

  Business Insider maybe Apple knows what it's doing [TS]

  strategy after all something to that yeah totally but it was funny it it's a [TS]

  funny have mine and I know that the macro made fun of it but it's in some [TS]

  ways it's actually a great had fun headline because it actually to me [TS]

  capsule 8 what I think a lot of analyst funded and investors have actually are [TS]

  actually thinking I think it's a little more nuanced in there though because [TS]

  it's not just that Samsung the phone maker was cleaning Apple's clock it's [TS]

  that Android the platform was you know if if market shares what you're going by [TS]

  Android has destroyed Apple hearing it like it's you know it's not even close [TS]

  its not Windows Mac level but it's like whatever 7030 or something like that [TS]

  8020 I don't know and the thinking was that you know if this is the new if this [TS]

  is the new OS platform war and you know for the for the next twenty years or [TS]

  something like that then Apple can afford to not be the dominant player [TS]

  there because this isn't just about phones this is about tablets and and all [TS]

  kinds of future devices in now extending to televisions and wearables all that [TS]

  kind of stuff so if Apple loses people's phones they've lost that that person's [TS]

  whole life and if you know this is the new software platform for the next [TS]

  couple of decades and that's that's potentially troublesome I think we've [TS]

  seen that made me you know that the market share advance that Android has is [TS]

  a lot more splintered than the Western dominated Windows Mac war like what's [TS]

  going on with Android in china is probably pretty different than what's [TS]

  going on with Android in in western markets you know part worry and software [TS]

  wise and you have these these messaging company's debt that catch on in [TS]

  different markets and become really huge improper and the cast up and [TS]

  so maybe it's a dawning realization on more people that market share isn't [TS]

  everything that is not it doesn't trump everything every mobile is different and [TS]

  their market share in mobile is different than it meant in the PC [TS]

  platform you have any event as I've said before the evenin PCs right the Mac [TS]

  still exists and by most by most accounts i've seen in terms of [TS]

  traditional PC not counting tablets just counting what we always thought of [TS]

  things with Intel CPUs x86 CPUs rain laptops desktops running either Windows [TS]

  or Mac or Linux that Apple makes about 50% of the profit in the whole PC [TS]

  industry they are by far away [TS]

  number one in terms of the Prophet they have in the PC industry in a what [TS]

  everybody would consider a mature market I settled mature market right now it's a [TS]

  it's also almost never now that you run into the to the real problem which was [TS]

  that software existed for Windows but not for math right you can pretty much [TS]

  get whatever you want for Mac can obviously there's some stuff that's [TS]

  still games only game he still is still a different situation right although [TS]

  Mobile has kind of and the game consoles have kind of PCs less important for [TS]

  gaming yeah I'm see people complain I still think clearly Windows PCs are you [TS]

  know far more you know have more new titles and run things better [TS]

  Exelis though better for Windows obviously but but I don't see people [TS]

  complaining about games on max anymore so much mainly because I think Mobile is [TS]

  a bigger deal on consoles are bigger you know bigger deal yeah but this was the [TS]

  big fear that you know if Android gets this this huge advantage of market share [TS]

  that all of a sudden all the best apps are gonna be either Android first or [TS]

  Android only and you know as my reporting about a month and a half ago [TS]

  proved that's not the case [TS]

  like Android despite its massive market share lead is still getting developed at [TS]

  the same time as iOS or after [TS]

  there are very few important apps that are Android first or Android only and [TS]

  you know I don't know if that's going to change it might doesn't look like it [TS]

  doesn't seem to be happening no [TS]

  go so that you know that's what that whole market share / platform war [TS]

  argument was about and I know you know that's what Jay was thinking cuz Jan our [TS]

  working together we were talking about this stuff and that's you know and and [TS]

  Henry are you know our boss was the one who was one writing that i phone was [TS]

  dead in the water right right now on the argument that you know this platform war [TS]

  really really really mattered in the market share was key to do that and I [TS]

  think we're learning a mobile is a little different at least so far i mean [TS]

  you no no no no this can happen in a few years well I think the thing that's [TS]

  different is the post internetworld I think that the thing that really like a [TS]

  lot of things happened between 95 1994 95 1998 which i think people confused in [TS]

  their head as meaning hey when you lose the market sure where you go away you go [TS]

  bye bye and that alot of ppl summed it up as in the back of their heads that [TS]

  Windows 95 came out and was either as good or good least good enough as the [TS]

  mac and people leaned over when people lined up around stores to get it at [TS]

  midnight like they do for Apple products right it was that popular right i mean [TS]

  that's that's just a good basic rule of thumb if you have normal consumers [TS]

  lining up around the block to get into a store to buy a product you've got [TS]

  something right now Microsoft added then and you know it was a problem probable [TS]

  and been a big thing to do is with the big weather was 92 1095 five whatever [TS]

  the percentage split was between Windows and Mac PCs when you had to interchange [TS]

  stuff by floppy disk and they even even the floppy disks had different formats [TS]

  if you put a Mac floppy disk into a Windows PC it would save you need to [TS]

  reformat this and you lose everything on it and Max eventually gained the ability [TS]

  to read das formatted disks but went Microsoft was never gonna bothers [TS]

  desks and file formats weren't the same and if you had a word document was [TS]

  created PC microsoft word on here on your Mac and everything we followed and [TS]

  then when you send it back to people it was all screwed up with all the problem [TS]

  and it was all did we buy some like $60 out to like just convert yeah I forget [TS]

  the name of his great work to charm I forget the name of that and I know [TS]

  exactly what you're talking about but all those things but then the internet [TS]

  happened and a tour and then Apple got into financial problems and really was [TS]

  on the cusp of bankruptcy but not really so much just because of market share and [TS]

  problems on the Mac but just as the company was hardly run and that they'd [TS]

  had these failed initiatives at Annex jim is a far more complex story than [TS]

  just market share but the internet really healed over the whole hey I'm [TS]

  using platform you're using platform being we need to communicate and [TS]

  exchange stuff right and that really helped I think it's not just Apple but [TS]

  anybody who want to come up with a new platform for ever after is that you [TS]

  don't have to worry about me even just simple networking just getting a Mac and [TS]

  Windows computer on the same network in the early nineties was like almost [TS]

  impossible and especially they haven't both be treated as peers whereas the [TS]

  iPad is this open standard you know involves all these open standards for [TS]

  networking and even if you look at the native apps that are the most popular on [TS]

  Android and iOS they're all basically just interface code you know interacting [TS]

  with an API so even if you know Android gets some sort of market share manage [TS]

  its not that hard [TS]

  that people would build Windows apps and then not build a Mac App because it was [TS]

  in a lot of money in time and all the stuff and and documents and everything [TS]

  you just described but the difference between building and iOS Apple and [TS]

  Android app is mostly just interface code so it really broad terms [TS]

  conceptually the whole computing world is built on [TS]

  the foundation is now the internet and it's not just the world wide web at [TS]

  tcp/ip in general and HTTP it's the internet and then we all picked devices [TS]

  that run a certain platform and connect to the internet [TS]

  whereas pre-internet the foundation of the world was whatever operating system [TS]

  year computer was right and so if you're on a Mac Mac OS and the ecosystem of Mac [TS]

  apps was the foundation of the computing world and for PCs it was Windows Windows [TS]

  apps and that meant that they were not compatible so I don't get the modern [TS]

  world it's it's it's just very possible not just for two platforms to coexist [TS]

  and drive like Android and iOS but you know could be could be three I think [TS]

  it's unlikely that there'd be a clue that there'd be like 10 different you [TS]

  know platforms for mobile devices that would drive but our seeing like third [TS]

  place now dipped to you know what three percent of the market or four so it [TS]

  looks like a two-horse race at this point but I don't think it's [TS]

  inconceivable we roll the dice for the last six or seven years of the end you [TS]

  come up with an alternate universe where you know maybe if it had come out a [TS]

  little sooner and it had more corporate support that Palm OS [TS]

  you know was still yeah you know 67 percent like a Mac sized market and with [TS]

  good margins you know it's a good business [TS]

  yeah but I think a lot of people looked at those you know that Apple's near [TS]

  bankruptcy and and decided that platform battle if you don't win you're gonna go [TS]

  bankrupt and don't really think about the fact that Apple came back and that [TS]

  was a long time ago and now that the market has matured the Mac business has [TS]

  been thriving for well over a decade consistently so buy those lines the [TS]

  company then maybe in the greatest position of power is not necessarily the [TS]

  company that runs the OS but the company that runs those backend services which [TS]

  increasingly is Google and so but I'm also a little surprised by how committed [TS]

  google has been too [TS]

  to continuing to make stuff for iOS [TS]

  to the point that they would even sponsor your website when when they [TS]

  could theoretically say OK from now on our best stuff is is Android only you [TS]

  know there's some state Google now i think is probably going to be a better [TS]

  experience and Android unique example because it's really tied into the right [TS]

  system you know the idea that you need to launch an app for it really defeated [TS]

  really wants to be in that that gifted position that Syria's in ya so that if [TS]

  if that sort of feed its stream AI type thing is the future of mobile computing [TS]

  then that's the kind of thing where Apple market share could be a problem [TS]

  unless Apple does a better job at that with syria although I think for example [TS]

  I think there there were on our third-party keyboard apps for iOS now [TS]

  but they just run as a nap and you know show their keyboard and you do your [TS]

  typing a copy and pasting go back to another appt pasted into the app which [TS]

  nobody's going to do like the only way you could really have a thriving market [TS]

  of third-party keyboards for your last is if you really support him at the [TS]

  system level like Apple's doing and I said I think that's probably not a [TS]

  popular whereas something like Google now is it really gonna have a chance to [TS]

  thrive and les appels somehow made Siri that sort of thing where you could [TS]

  replace Siri with Google now or with katana ya I don't know if they would [TS]

  ever do that just me talking made the iOS ate a serious thing I was wondering [TS]

  what that was [TS]

  that's funny seems like you are asking you said you heard me say replace Syria [TS]

  with and she got upset nice yeah so I wonder if there's a point at which [TS]

  Google you know sees the market share in their advantages alright well we're done [TS]

  doing Google Maps for iOS now or something like that [TS]

  it doesn't seem to be the direction they're going in [TS]

  yeah and there's microsoft in his Google sometimes called Microsoft will [TS]

  sometimes is that doesn't seem to be the way they think I think there may be some [TS]

  people within Google who think that but I think that certainly the people making [TS]

  the haps aren't would be ten I and I think they're so scared of antitrust [TS]

  stuff that they won't because it really screw them up they have to chop [TS]

  themselves up so you know a public seeming support for iOS probably makes [TS]

  them look really good and the same way that it did for Microsoft in 1997 when [TS]

  they cut the deal with apple and 25 years of of you know office support [TS]

  stuff like that even more so because Microsoft was already in the big [TS]

  antitrust trouble at the time right now yeah yeah that's my Google has to worry [TS]

  about that Apple doesn't because Google has at least one monopoly which is on [TS]

  web search yeah and chrome is starting to move in that direction too [TS]

  and I don't think right question I don't think chrome is ever going to get to [TS]

  monopoly size now probably now but the other thing they're doing now and and I [TS]

  actually learned a lot about this on Friday is that the EU is like really [TS]

  looking into it the way they're using Google Plus as part of search results [TS]

  and I don't you know they may just get slap on the wrist but some other stuff [TS]

  might happen that makes it really bad for them so I don't know but so we'll [TS]

  see about that but I Google searches obviously their biggest the EU I know [TS]

  the EU is largely skeptical I do that I had to know wouldn't be surprised at all [TS]

  and maybe have been more surprised if something doesn't come of it but just a [TS]

  general way that Google favors its own products and search results [TS]

  yeah that I give you just getting worse and if you just type in I'm guessing on [TS]

  our calendar software does it show you know suggest Google Calendar and I know [TS]

  that like when you search for businesses they show Google+ results for their [TS]

  business and it's not part of doesn't show Google calendars for sure so but [TS]

  you know I don't know but I know for you type like a restaurant name it it favors [TS]

  the Google+ page for that calendar are a few just type the word Calendar and [TS]

  Google the first result is Google Calendar nice well how is that there's [TS]

  no I don't know but I know that the EU and your Google yeah looks very askance [TS]

  at that because that's what they would call unless I don't know what the [TS]

  antitrust term for it is but it's using its exactly what Microsoft trouble with [TS]

  Windows it is using you know that having a monopoly is not necessarily illegal [TS]

  and often as an illegal at all but using that monopoly to gain an advantage in a [TS]

  different market is right if they're using the Google search monopoly to [TS]

  promote Google+ unreasonably against you know natural competitors than that could [TS]

  be problematic and not having a monopoly gives Apple Way more freedom [TS]

  that would otherwise like there's probably an arms length list of things [TS]

  that Apple is doing that if I S had 90% smartphone market share would certainly [TS]

  hope so yea certainly have the EU taking them to court and might even have the [TS]

  you s Department of Justice which has even with you know Obama in the seventh [TS]

  year of his administration is far more business-friendly then they you yeah the [TS]

  App Store itself [TS]

  yeah yeah that's probably the prime example that way they run the app store [TS]

  and that there's no side loading of apps that would probably be the central that [TS]

  would probably be the the big one that would probably be like the centerpiece [TS]

  of a legal thing and I don't think they'd be able to win it [TS]

  yeah which things have I'm ever in the App Store first launched that was kinda [TS]

  lot of a lot of controversy but people seem to have gotten used to it and you [TS]

  know with test flight who knows you know in a couple of years there could be more [TS]

  widespread sideloading abouts but no but it would definitely be the thing and [TS]

  I've even seen people make the stupid argument which is that Apple doesn't [TS]

  monopoly monopoly on the OS Drive funds but that's not a monopoly yeah this is [TS]

  anyone running Android can you crack and iPhone and run Android on there I don't [TS]

  think so I've seen people try maybe there is a once or twice a long time ago [TS]

  or somebody got something vaguely working but it's not a thing you cannot [TS]

  go back to Samsung I think that the other thing that we're really seeing is [TS]

  that Samsung has they've done a great job and they obviously had a good good [TS]

  couple of years but that there is increasingly becoming obvious that [TS]

  they're getting pinched on both sides that Apple still dominates are certainly [TS]

  has a long-term sustained advantage of the high end of the smartphone market [TS]

  like the multi hundred priced handsets that Apple still sells a majority of [TS]

  those which is historically where the profits are [TS]

  yeah where the profits are and at the low end at the lower priced and where [TS]

  Apple doesn't compete in all their increasingly losing two companies I [TS]

  shall me and other ones that a lot of us even here in Aus haven't even heard of [TS]

  it don't even have access to but certainly that's that's been a problem [TS]

  for them in China and that is you know that's where their market share is [TS]

  eroding right now and those get you know people to look at Samsung stuff and then [TS]

  maybe even by a higher and thing or something right and you lose the [TS]

  advantage to do maybe did maybe it's not high margin but you know low margin [TS]

  times a big number still equals a lot of money and you know you lose that [TS]

  advantage and then all the scale advantages that come with right now that [TS]

  you know the post I published the link obviously was a little tongue-in-cheek [TS]

  you know here Samsung's future stock chart and it was the Nokia chart the day [TS]

  the iPhone launch to the day that Microsoft but Nokia so which looks like [TS]

  a ski downhill ski slope I don't think that's the future for Samsung I mean [TS]

  it's a huge conglomerate may do so much more stuff than 10 I think Nokia did you [TS]

  know ranging from TVs to the chips that go into other phones and that kind of [TS]

  stuff so and they see them collapsing but it's doesn't look great either right [TS]

  they've proven to be more nimble than Nokia but I don't know of their nimble [TS]

  enough and it's right they don't really have good footing in this market [TS]

  you know where I think Apple does and I think company like Jeremy does and maybe [TS]

  even I know Ben Thompson is is is a big [TS]

  is bullish on Lenovo want they's gonna finish the Motorola acquisition and [TS]

  Lenovo my do real really well in China and other places just you know nipping [TS]

  in 25 percent here six percent there seven percent to another company and all [TS]

  of a sudden the low end is is bifurcated and maybe as a lot more like the PC [TS]

  market where they are now all of a sudden Apple has you know five-inch [TS]

  iPhone and and maybe you don't need to buy that galaxy note so right the last [TS]

  few years you know to compare the smartphone market in the PC market the [TS]

  last few years have been sort of like you know if 1 PC maker just had an [TS]

  enormous market share of Windows you know sixty seventy percent of Windows [TS]

  sales were all Dell's that would be really good for Dell but that's not how [TS]

  the PC market is the PC market you know I think the number one spot has moved [TS]

  around a lot but it's never been more than like 20 percent for HP or Dell any [TS]

  one company and its you know it you quickly get into that long tail where [TS]

  there's all sorts of you know no name companies making really cheap machines [TS]

  and it's all split up and it's as you can see there's no you know there's no [TS]

  money to be made in a market like that like nobody else other than Apple is [TS]

  making big money in PCs [TS]

  making big money in PCs [TS]

  i-ten be the nope no other company than Apple's making big money and and mobile [TS]

  handset right and there's nothing locking Samsung customers into Samsung [TS]

  the way that there would be tried to you know I try to make their own music and I [TS]

  think they ever did their own app store but they yeah they do have happened and [TS]

  none of that really caught on I think in large part because they're not very good [TS]

  at software yeah and also google has pressured all the Android companies to [TS]

  you know kind of promote Google Play and not at risk of losing all the Google [TS]

  Google support so I think Google has made it such that simpson really doesn't [TS]

  have that much to lock people in 2008 I think then I think they're obviously [TS]

  aware of it because there's no other reason that tyson their own software [TS]

  platform even exists but I like you said they're just not good at it and if [TS]

  they're not even good at making apps for Android I mean how good are they going [TS]

  to be at making an entire platform and it's such an uphill battle when you look [TS]

  at me Microsoft we know is good at making platforms and good at making [TS]

  developer tools and develop creating developer API's can't get much traction [TS]

  in the market and can't get first class support from third-party developers the [TS]

  way that Android and iOS have well then how is Samsung gonna do it with an [TS]

  all-new platform right cuz it's not just good enough even if they made a version [TS]

  of tyson that was objectively speaking good enough you know I got as good as [TS]

  Android it that alone doesn't mean that they would get an app store full of [TS]

  third-party apps right totally and then even if they don't then it's dead in the [TS]

  water it you know two morrow henry's phrase it really would I mean look at my [TS]

  new Microsoft has been trying to even pay companies to make Windows Phone apps [TS]

  and that's been such an uphill battle right as it is to close the loop on this [TS]

  is it really makes it just seemed even how much more impressive and unlikely it [TS]

  was for Apple to succeed such so strongly because they weren't making [TS]

  mobile phones before and they weren't making touch based operating systems an [TS]

  app stores and all that kind of stuff [TS]

  sky nuts how well they've done yeah and and the profit margin on all that sort [TS]

  of stuff and not just pieces of it all of it like it's the iPhone really is a [TS]

  lot more you know for all the praises gotten it really is more even more [TS]

  impressive than it seems [TS]

  yeah I totally agree and I think that it's the way that they made it look easy [TS]

  makes it easy to overlook that yeah yeah I'm just looking Instagram just one [TS]

  example that Instagram for Windows Phone debuted eight months ago so early 2014 [TS]

  but instagram for Android came in March 2012 so two years after Andrew they came [TS]

  out with a Windows from version and Instagram was rather famous for being I [TS]

  was only for what seemed like a long time seemed like the Android version [TS]

  took a look them a long time to get to write and I remember reading that it was [TS]

  Nokia that actually got them to to do a Windows version not even Microsoft it [TS]

  was that they were impressed by the cameras on Nokia hardware so they went [TS]

  when build of Windows Phone so just repeat that over and over again with [TS]

  everybody and then you know filter that down to the smaller developers you know [TS]

  the true indy shop swear it's just a handful of developers and designers and [TS]

  you're just not going to get you just get the support cuz they're all writing [TS]

  iOS and Android apps yeah I should look at the BlackBerry App Store and see [TS]

  what's going on there right now I bet a lot of people have abandoned the [TS]

  companies that had made apps even at the beginning of it might not be doing that [TS]

  anymore like I wonder there's an updated MLB app this year I don't even know [TS]

  maybe but I wonder I don't even know about them and us to be have a bit of a [TS]

  few I know its cast to the F you at the beginning [TS]

  follow-up I should mention asst I guess we should still at bat for blackberry [TS]

  look at that happened 2014 yep I shall I say there's some good stories behind [TS]

  that I wonder if it runs on does it run on both platforms is it just for the old [TS]

  Blackberry or does it run on the blackberry 10 visits to different pipe [TS]

  blackberry 10 so they go but you must purchase the device specific version of [TS]

  Acrobat 14 from the BlackBerry World access it on blackberry 10 I don't know [TS]

  what that means but I think all I think you have to tell them exactly which [TS]

  blackberry model because there's two entirely different platforms time I ask [TS]

  you is what had multinational last episode I was saying how can move people [TS]

  in today's world would buy polarized sunglasses because you make sure iPhone [TS]

  look crazy and you know I have you ever seen at a price you have to take them [TS]

  off their screens are crazy like that I had an iPhone have different effects so [TS]

  I you I heard I got an earful from the fans of polarized sunglasses and and a [TS]

  summarized I want to stay up but apparently if you buy the quote goods [TS]

  polarized sunglasses it shouldn't be a problem that it says that's only a [TS]

  function of bad polarized sunglasses if you get expensive ones that are good [TS]

  your iPhone look good on me when you hold the iPhone in its natural portrait [TS]

  orientation when you hold it sideways then you get the problem but so [TS]

  apparently it is possible to use an iPhone with polarized sunglasses so my [TS]

  apologies fans of polarized sunglasses polarized sunglasses industry and I wear [TS]

  mine are actually remember that was the first time we met you you put my [TS]

  sunglasses on your shocked at how dirty they were quicker so I don't want [TS]

  because I was thinking I was thinking about their arabians I was thinking [TS]

  there and I asked you was on the roof deck at the Macworld no know that the [TS]

  deck the Macworld deck now it was New York not enough party I thought it was [TS]

  the the textbook reading now I think that didn't go oh I was a different time [TS]

  I know you're talking about [TS]

  could also a small book yes it did the deck but not the baseball book it was [TS]

  the field tested book field-tested books were people have read is the first time [TS]

  I met you that's not I didn't have those sunglasses back then and there is the [TS]

  first time you tested both used to run read as people to write you write a [TS]

  review of the book where you read it and so do the brilliant idea right and so [TS]

  you really makes a difference if you remember that I read this one book when [TS]

  I was at this one place than that that was field tested books and it made it [TS]

  was fascinating and I had written line and they held a book that had held a [TS]

  reading in New York and you were there was a lovely eventos trip was great I [TS]

  still have books and Meyer wonder where ya day and collected them into a book [TS]

  anyway I don't know where my sunglasses are there or somewhere else with a [TS]

  polarized I remember them being very polarized so I actually want and they're [TS]

  clean to give me two seconds I'm gonna find them they're right next to me to [TS]

  read the third sponsor background music now take this opportunity what dan is [TS]

  hunting down his polarized sunglasses to tell Mac while I'm taking this [TS]

  opportunity to tell people about transporter I'll do another repeat by [TS]

  jury probably heard me talk about them before if your regular listener but if [TS]

  you are Alan [TS]

  short version think about it as your own personal Dropbox what you do is you buy [TS]

  devices you byron device from file transporters then buy it to gadget [TS]

  plugin you connect it to your home network to install software on your Mac [TS]

  and all the sudden you've got a folder in your home faltered that sinks to the [TS]

  device and any other device and housing on the Mac in the house you can get a [TS]

  folder and it'll do that too so it's just like Dropbox folder you put files [TS]

  they think to the device you can access them from anywhere [TS]

  the difference is it's your stocks your data is actually stored only on your [TS]

  file transporter device and it drives you connect to it so they're right there [TS]

  in your house or in your office you can buy more than one you keep wanting your [TS]

  house when your office put one in your parents house planning your house and [TS]

  they just a few sign him into the same account they sink the same data between [TS]

  them but at no point does your data go to server in the cloud interesting for [TS]

  privacy reasons especially you know given that the allegations that have [TS]

  come out of the last two years about what government agencies around the [TS]

  world have been doing too big cloud providers also interesting from a legal [TS]

  perspective for certain people in certain industries were you legally [TS]

  obligated not put devices aren't data onto devices that you don't actually [TS]

  have physical control over really interesting and i think really appealing [TS]

  to a lot of people whether it's for legal reasons or just privacy reasons or [TS]

  just the desire to have control over your own staff they have two types of [TS]

  devices they have the regular transporter this comes in 500 gigabyte [TS]

  one terabyte two terabyte capacities that the thing you buy already has a [TS]

  hard-driving that you just buy it plugged in [TS]

  and there's also the transporters think that's I caught the puck model is just [TS]

  like a little Apple TV pop maybe even smaller provides the exact same [TS]

  functionality but instead of coming with a hard drive you just you just plug in [TS]

  your own USB Drive anything with the USB port you any kind of third party hard [TS]

  drive with USB port you put that in your own so if you have a bunch of hard [TS]

  drives sitting around here are you know have a big one you want to use you can [TS]

  just buy the transporter sink save some dough and just plug in your own hard [TS]

  drive [TS]

  here's the URL go to File transporter store.com filed WWW dot filed [TS]

  transporter store.com now if you want to buy the transporter you can use this [TS]

  code TTS 10 that's the one that comes with a built-in hard drive you'll save [TS]

  10% off your purchase that's up to 35 bucks for the two terabyte version which [TS]

  costs 350 so you'll save 35 bucks just by using that code TTS 10 the talk show [TS]

  10 pts 10 pts 10 if you buy the sink the little park model use this code pts 20 [TS]

  pts 20 that doesn't save your percentage decision twenty bucks just 20 bucks [TS]

  right off the top of the sink model pts 10 for that one TTS 20 pts 10 for the [TS]

  transporter TTS 24 sank would be easier if they just use one code make it work [TS]

  for both but don't worry about it we'll figure that you're smart enough to buy a [TS]

  transporters enough to use the right code everybody who uses either one of [TS]

  those codes gets free shipping so if you're wondering if transporters rape [TS]

  you go check it out see for yourself and you can buy one and start using it and [TS]

  you've a thirty day risk-free satisfaction guarantee you don't like it [TS]

  use it for a couple of weeks [TS]

  box a backup send it back to me get all your money back so they go make sure you [TS]

  enter the code just before the final check out and check them out at WWW dot [TS]

  file transporters store.com I thanks to them right shades on I do [TS]

  and so I have four screens and Fermi have a macbook air [TS]

  iPhone 5 iPad Mini and I have this Nexus 7 and they all behave differently with [TS]

  these sunglasses some of them work [TS]

  portraits but not landscape some of them work landscape not portrait some work [TS]

  both and some work done everything but anal so who knows I do think it's [TS]

  interesting that the iPad Mini and the iPhone 5 have different screens [TS]

  meaningless when you look at your iPhone 5 what do you see I see a green is if [TS]

  you put a green jello over my glasses so it's terrible right and it doesn't [TS]

  matter whether you hold it sideways or not if you turn sideways it works fine [TS]

  but thats landscape it's almost two-thirds to Thursday know where the [TS]

  colors are better [TS]

  well that's no good nobody is the phone it two-thirds diagonal know right so [TS]

  it's not great but the iPad Mini literally looks looks totally normal [TS]

  with my sunglasses on so there is in both orientations well mostly portrait [TS]

  but not landscape landscape it's a little darker but either way there's so [TS]

  all that mythology about how they just cut the same screen out of the thing we [TS]

  had no I think we've gotten away from that I think that's right i yes they [TS]

  also eliminate the screen glass differently they still have another you [TS]

  know whatever sixteenth of an inch they can make this iPad skinnier if they that [TS]

  some of that space it was most obvious I thought and I realize that that's why I [TS]

  propagated that and it's because they stuck to it was a simplistic thinking [TS]

  that because they've stuck to these same pixel resolutions you know in the pre [TS]

  runner world there were only 22 pixel resolution pixels per inch the iPhone [TS]

  one which was [TS]

  162 163 in the iPad 1 which is 133 and all their iOS devices were one of those [TS]

  two pixel resolutions and then in the retina world double that was like three [TS]

  twenty something 323 and 267 pixels per inch and every device has one of those [TS]

  pixels per inch thing but it's it's thats inner might be some economies of [TS]

  scale to sticking with that but obviously certain devices different ones [TS]

  I thought the most obvious was when they came out with the the iPhone 5 coming up [TS]

  on two years ago and the still today current hadn't updated last year the [TS]

  iPod touch that had the 69 aspect ratio and it's you know ruled lightweight thin [TS]

  device you know the one the medal the current iPod touch someone has the [TS]

  camera strap thing and everything has the same new screen size same pixel [TS]

  print resolution but the saturation colors on the iPod Touch is just nowhere [TS]

  near the quality of the iPhone and similarly with the iPad air and the iPad [TS]

  Mini iPad air has such noticeably more vivid color then too many yeah I think [TS]

  so too has a mini owner I never noticed but then when I have them side by side [TS]

  it was pretty shocking yeah I don't think the many might have better quality [TS]

  than the iPod Touch but it's definitely not up to the iPod iPad iPad areas like [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  yeah I guess because there's a bigger battery or something [TS]

  yeah but anyway the polarized sunglasses I don't mean to make terrible pun but [TS]

  apparently there's a very polarizing topic [TS]

  yeah it's too shady [TS]

  I think the moral of the story is forgoing sunglass shopping bring your [TS]

  phone yea and yea and take a look at your phone when you're buying by the [TS]

  sunglasses right yeah there's amazon has shit is it has she gets her shirt to [TS]

  show where Amazon in and has shed one of the five major book publishers are in a [TS]

  continuing spot that they're taking public and there's then they authors [TS]

  United movement between you know again it's not unanimous certainly not that [TS]

  all authors or even all successful authors are on his shots I'd definitely [TS]

  not the case but there's a lot of authors who are see it on the publisher [TS]

  site and an Amazon launched a ham-fisted Reeders United site which really wasn't [TS]

  united by readers it was entirely by and written by Amazon but more lies by there [TS]

  they're making the case that it's in reader's interest for Amazon to come out [TS]

  on top of this because books will be cheaper but its poison ugly fight it is [TS]

  well I think it's obvious to those of us who are somewhat exposed to it I don't [TS]

  know if both people or even know what's happening [TS]

  well I don't know that I think people are noticing more and more though [TS]

  because of things like a shitbox not coming out on Amazon or at least not [TS]

  being available to pre-order on Amazon which true you know I don't know what 14 [TS]

  17 years I don't have however long amazon has been selling books there's an [TS]

  awful lot of us who just get only if you hear about a new book coming out you [TS]

  just go to Amazon to start typing the book title and you can either buy it if [TS]

  it's shipping or it's a send me this when it comes out and I think the [TS]

  biggest problem is that no one knows which label their book it's gonna be on [TS]

  its just confusing I think it's safe when a certain [TS]

  movie studio gets pulled from iTunes or whatever you don't know that it's [TS]

  missing for that reason even when it's one that you kind of know like I [TS]

  probably a lot of people know that Star Wars twentieth Century Fox everybody [TS]

  remembers that the twentieth Century Fox fanfare before the Star Wars song a [TS]

  writer like ever in those pics are as Pixar some night yeah and that they're [TS]

  owned by Disney yea certainly i think thats pretty had another good common but [TS]

  nobody really thinks of that time in terms of am I going to be able to watch [TS]

  this like you never had the old days when we go to Blockbuster to rent a [TS]

  movie you never thought well shit I want to watch the Unforgiven but that's [TS]

  that's Warner Brothers and blockbuster doesn't have Warner Brothers movies so I [TS]

  guess I'll go to that area Hollywood Video yeah where the warner brothers are [TS]

  you know yeah that part of it is is and I would say with books it's even less so [TS]

  because it's those fanfares that make that stick in my mind I mean that's I'm [TS]

  pretty sure the Unforgiven is is warner brothers but I certainly remember you [TS]

  know there's a lot of movies rye remember the fanfare I saw before it [TS]

  whereas the little tiny publishers stamp on books but I don't know many books [TS]

  that I know which which of the big five publishers published it now [TS]

  definitely not so I have trouble taking sides here even as a potential someday [TS]

  book author like I don't I don't think I know enough about what's going on and [TS]

  that's the thing is I don't think anyone has actually said what they're [TS]

  specifically disagreeing about Leggett's vaguely has to do with pricing for [TS]

  e-books or something that gets to pick the price of e-books [TS]

  really is it the black the details matter and I'll think anyone's actually [TS]

  revealed what the details are that i've seen [TS]

  I don't know Amazon wants them to be captain 919 [TS]

  nine and you know that shit the other book publishers want to be able to sell [TS]

  new titles you know at whatever price they want [TS]

  you know it is it's pretty complicated and it's you know with subscription [TS]

  coming into play now it's gonna get screwed up again [TS]

  yeah totally gonna get rid of him you know go back to the early days of [TS]

  Netflix streaming when there were less than two good movies 2 that's that's [TS]

  what the books book rental book subscription services look like now [TS]

  imagine how that's gonna have to go through all all kinds of crap now yeah [TS]

  there's a long article that I haven't posted it probably will by the time this [TS]

  that by the time this podcast comes out tomorrow to priority of positive but it [TS]

  I haven't finished reading it by Christopher Wright who is an author he [TS]

  kind of a big long argument but its cuz I think it has to be long because it's [TS]

  complicated sometimes you know when I read an article and a prolonged I think [TS]

  I'm I am I just spouting off or am I is it just that complex and it takes a lot [TS]

  of words to describe it and I think in this case is articles long because it is [TS]

  complex which is mostly that you know how she is really not looking after [TS]

  readers are authors they're looking after their own interests and Amazon is [TS]

  really you know doing anything for the benefit of anybody else than Amazon and [TS]

  that's just the way it is so whoever wins it's it's not really going to be a [TS]

  victory for anybody but passion or Amazon and it's probably gonna be Amazon [TS]

  anyway because has it really doesn't have Amazon to one up you know in a [TS]

  position of strength and the big thing is that the downside you know the reason [TS]

  it may not be good for us as readers or even haces authors you and I tram is on [TS]

  to win is it because of lower prices are bad because Amazon has a good are you [TS]

  know a couple of good arguments in her just common sense one is that an ebook [TS]

  should be cheaper than a paper version because it does cheaper descend bit than [TS]

  it is to cut down trees turning in the paper and print a book and even amazon [TS]

  has made this argument that because you have fewer rights with a digital version [TS]

  any book because it's locked by Drs [TS]

  and you can't resell it can give it to somebody else I can't get you know you [TS]

  can take it if you buy a paper book I can read it and then sell it to somebody [TS]

  else you can't do it with any book and i dont was interesting the Amazon which is [TS]

  you know the company putting the DRM on the books is even making the argument [TS]

  that hey this makes them less valuable and therefore they should costless I [TS]

  think that the common-sense argument and it makes sense [TS]

  same way that a paperback should cost less than a hardcover edition because [TS]

  it's not as nice and it didn't cost as much to make and they also make the [TS]

  argument Amazon that it's you know in in terms of authors and royalty that [TS]

  they've shown through their own analysis of data that in general like book that [TS]

  is he bought that selling for $15 $14.99 of course but cost fifteen will sell X [TS]

  number of copies that same book at $10 $9.99 with cell like 1.7 times as much [TS]

  and therefore make more money and get 70% more readers so you'd have more [TS]

  readers and you'd make more money because you'd it would be more than the [TS]

  1.5 that you would need to break even but that the big downside to the whole [TS]

  thing if if Amazon winds and they probably will is that they're building [TS]

  an effective monopoly on on your books and that they will be rape reviews and [TS]

  you know everybody will be at Amazon's liberty in terms of you know once they [TS]

  walk down the market and I guess another missing part of the equation is what [TS]

  percentage of revenue and profits are still coming from $30 hardcover books [TS]

  that you know you need to still somewhat justify the price for ya [TS]

  without $10 ebooks yeah one thing I've seen an absence of people could be that [TS]

  the analogy to the there's a lot of people are the people on the side that [TS]

  it did they should definitely be cheaper and maybe even a lot cheaper ebooks a [TS]

  lot of my drawing on the analogy that paperbacks are relatively new to the [TS]

  book industry and I guess they they came to be popular [TS]

  in the nineteen thirties it's not quite the same analogy that its third tier [TS]

  like that used to just be hardcover editions and then it was hardcover and [TS]

  paperback and hardcover paperback and e-books the difference that I see though [TS]

  is one of two frames you know like opening weekend I Windows Windows yeah [TS]

  but that you know the way that to my knowledge that you know the major book [TS]

  publishers have worked is that new books only command hardcover like when Stephen [TS]

  King comes out with a new book it doesn't come out in hardcover and [TS]

  paperback at the same time and you can choose to save you know half the price [TS]

  by buying the paperback if you want it when its new when the new Harry Potter [TS]

  books came out and people lined up at midnight to buy them you had to buy the [TS]

  hardcover which is the more expensive version and that the paperback came out [TS]

  was like home you know the same way that you can't buy most movies at the opening [TS]

  weekend have to wait to get him and he barks don't seem to be like that people [TS]

  want to get I give Stephen King has a new book you and you want to read about [TS]

  your Kindle you get on the same day that the hardcover comes out yeah there was a [TS]

  period where they were trying to not have that available but I think that [TS]

  that that's done and I kinda see how you you know that the publishers I kind of [TS]

  see if in the published aspect of that they should have a right to charge a [TS]

  premium while demand is at a premium [TS]

  you know that when the day you know and again you could say whether just [TS]

  couching their the diehard fans but you know that's what pays to keep the books [TS]

  coming out I think if you really want to read it in opening weekend you want to [TS]

  read that knew you know Stephen King novel as soon as it comes out they [TS]

  should be allowed to charge $17 for and then drop the price to 999 in the long [TS]

  run you know three months later six months later like same thing like with [TS]

  movies coming out on home video [TS]

  yeah and so many markets work like that you know and that demand is not [TS]

  necessarily gouging like it's being among the first to get something is too [TS]

  many people worth more money because you know if you know if your [TS]

  not that hell-bent on reading it right away or you already have a big stack of [TS]

  books that are waiting you read it you can't wait and you know you're gonna pay [TS]

  lower price same way that you know it kinda works like that on iTunes I don't [TS]

  know if it's on purpose but so many new releases are only available for purchase [TS]

  and then you can rent them for you know whatever another month or something he [TS]

  always available for rent on you know I've found myself buying movies that I [TS]

  don't actually want to own because out on a wait a month before therefore box [TS]

  and then with a lot of other movies I've found myself saying i dont wanna buy [TS]

  this I know I just added to my wishlist I'll come back to it you know when it [TS]

  comes out for rent yeah I'm done the same thing we're like there's some [TS]

  movies right I wanna see it right away and I'm know that maybe I'll only [TS]

  watched it once but I'll pay the $14.99 to buy it [TS]

  yep yeah so it kinda see that you know that thinking there I I'm guessing I [TS]

  think like in those rentals that I know Apple has limits on that but you know in [TS]

  some movies and some of these two of the cost more rent you know there's there's [TS]

  new additions that i've seen [TS]

  costs 599 and I think there's sometimes with the ones that are still in theaters [TS]

  its $6.99 direct hit ya think one was like 10 bucks yeah so I think Apple [TS]

  gives the you know the studios or whoever it is you know it's again [TS]

  independent motion picture whoever controls the rights to the movie they [TS]

  give them some pricing control on the rental and purchase price and that's the [TS]

  big thing that sticks I think a lot of the publishers cross with Amazon is that [TS]

  Amazon wants to just have unilateral control over the price of their stuff [TS]

  and that's it is how Amazon Appstore works you can likes set like a suggested [TS]

  price but if and when you have a nap and Amazon store if they decide they want to [TS]

  sell it for $0.99 they do sell it for $0.99 and you get your thirty percent of [TS]

  that and you know it hasn't had a big effect on the app industry because the [TS]

  Amazon Appstore is [TS]

  is relatively small player in mobile apps but in terms of ebooks you know the [TS]

  Kindle Store is dominant probably you know a monopoly yeah although it's not a [TS]

  monopoly I think I think in legal terms its monopoly right which is different [TS]

  and confusing but I think has different it might give them a lot more leeway in [TS]

  terms of antitrust laws you know and that whole weird thing that from [TS]

  frustrated a lot of us with Apple ebooks case which has cost them hundreds of [TS]

  millions of dollars in legal fees where Apple which had a sliver of the ebook [TS]

  case is the company that got taken to court by the Department of Justice in [TS]

  Los hundreds of millions of dollars in fees for colluding with the the book [TS]

  publishers and Amazon the company that has the menominee the overwhelming [TS]

  majority of e-book sales you know is under noah hasn't received any scrutiny [TS]

  at all here's the dictionary definition great work in OP Saini a market [TS]

  situation in which there is only one buyer right and that's that's the thing [TS]

  is that it's not that they have a monopoly on bookshelf because there's [TS]

  these five publishers that have all the you know it's it's that they sell the [TS]

  books not really directly to the customer they sell them to Amazon Amazon [TS]

  resells them to people and they're really effectively without Amazon there [TS]

  is no I don't know that's quite true to say but it'll be interesting to see i've [TS]

  seen very different percentages from very different people and they've [TS]

  published like how many of their book sales come from Amazon ebook sales come [TS]

  from Amazon vs iTunes and Kobo and who else [TS]

  whoever else Sony notebook yeah [TS]

  yeah I asked what I see got you know I just been enjoying the summer I've been [TS]

  given in the weeds on a few topics I think my best post last week was about [TS]

  how well still has a large profitable dial-up business actually at the one of [TS]

  the more interesting posts done recently was looking at Google Apps and how [TS]

  successful they've been stealing the startup and growing the economy mid-size [TS]

  company ranks [TS]

  you know should be Microsoft customers for exchange in and all their enterprise [TS]

  stuff and you know Microsoft is effectively betting the company on the [TS]

  cloud and yeah I saw that and that was an interesting post yet so you what you [TS]

  did you guys looked at the MX records yes I i picked a hundred and fifty [TS]

  companies so that the 52 fortune 50 so the biggest 50 companies by market cap [TS]

  is now working fifties something like that yeah I think it's market market cap [TS]

  per its market cap and then fifty companies from the last Y Combinator [TS]

  class those who like that startups the tiniest companies and then this [TS]

  mid-level here which were very scientifically chosen they were the [TS]

  first 50 companies that I thought of that were mid-sized ranging from Tesla [TS]

  22 their public and private companies including Dropbox to order tests [TS]

  in front of me but but yeah and of the of the hugest companies you know the [TS]

  ones that were you know stereotypical enterprise companies of those fifty only [TS]

  one of them use Google Apps for their email and that was Google I know there I [TS]

  i laugh but when I was reading the article and everything went with one is [TS]

  here and I swear to God and then you say it was Google as I was like the ultimate [TS]

  type a trick question where I pride myself on being able to think it's got [TS]

  to be good and I did I did not get that well and you know there's caveat psych [TS]

  maybe some weighing of one of these companies uses Google Apps right maybe [TS]

  you know maybe everyone uses their personal Gmail the office but it's it's [TS]

  it's a fair test oh yeah it was it was universally and I looked up the MX [TS]

  records for a hundred and fifty companies and and so that you know the [TS]

  startup the Y Combinator I think it was like all but four or six of them used [TS]

  Google that's a little surprising to me too that it was that high I mean [TS]

  something [TS]

  92% so all but it's not that hard to you know 4600 all but four of them i think [TS]

  one of them might have been used so outlook was showing up in these results [TS]

  occasionally so I you know theoretically Microsoft's answer to Google absolutely [TS]

  cloud-based outlook so that was showing up in some of them I'm a little [TS]

  surprised it was as high as ninety-two percent because it's not that hard to [TS]

  run your own mail server you know if you run like that you get a lot of it for [TS]

  free from Google web host and sign up for whatever DreamHost or something [TS]

  run your IMAP for you a lot of those web host have been kicking that off to [TS]

  Google because it used to be free [TS]

  and because that's a huge you know monkey off their back as hosting emails [TS]

  pry not fun for any of those companies in terms of support I'm also surprised [TS]

  maybe it just speaks to my mindset but I'm a little surprised a lot of those [TS]

  companies wouldn't switch off even if they were using it when they were at the [TS]

  three guys in a grand stage that they didn't switch off once they get you know [TS]

  hire men that they wouldn't say hey let's run on mail servers for the [TS]

  paranoia aspect of that and Andre of those companies have negotiated with [TS]

  Google for like a maybe who wants to acquire US or maybe we need to work with [TS]

  them and do you really trust Google not even security stuff do we trust Google [TS]

  to write content so the most interesting part though was the those mid tier [TS]

  companies and that's where 60% them used Google Apps and that includes Twitter [TS]

  includes both Dropbox and Box both of them use Google email and those are you [TS]

  know as I wrote in the piece like those would be potential competitors even you [TS]

  know like Dropbox Rd probably has a mbox you know has pretty good [TS]

  enterprise sales for their storage services so maybe they should offer [TS]

  email hosting two who knows but that was really surprising so it's not that you [TS]

  know Microsoft still has a huge hold over the biggest enterprise customers [TS]

  but the growing companies in Microsoft's future customers seem to be really [TS]

  sticking with Google so we'll see you know Microsoft still has a ninety [TS]

  percent of the revenue and that in the email hosting market think that's what [TS]

  they told me something around that range or maybe 95% [TS]

  what's a call IBM Lotus also still has some surveys like 80% Microsoft but is [TS]

  still very strong dominating position but revenues that important to Google [TS]

  they're not in the email apps business for the money they're doing it for the [TS]

  control you know the money [TS]

  Google gets all the money they need from search advertising which is but I do [TS]

  think though I because it everybody knows that the day I don't admit emanate [TS]

  say that they they scan your email to show contextual ads right related [TS]

  generates money and from like being in your email to get your to build their [TS]

  profile of you is got to be a huge source of accuracy for the the targeted [TS]

  ads that they show true and affect your login for your email means you're logged [TS]

  in right by doing searches but even beyond that like my understanding is [TS]

  that they actually are running Google Apps as a business now like they're not [TS]

  trying to lose a lot of money on it which is one the reasons they got rid of [TS]

  the free here and that kind of stuff so you know it's it's still I think less [TS]

  than 10% of I think ninety percent of rules revenues still advertising but [TS]

  still I think I think now other is 10% or something like that so growing but as [TS]

  interesting as was I would you know I was in the command line like searching [TS]

  MX records and I would see this big ass companies still using Gmail it's pretty [TS]

  pretty crazy yeah and I think that there's a hard to make them and [TS]

  understand something his job depends on them not understanding sort of angle to [TS]

  you know once a company [TS]

  everybody had to have email but some internet based email at some point in [TS]

  the nineties became just as essential as having telephone lines in your company [TS]

  and for a lot of them they might have already had internal email based on [TS]

  whatever antiquated Microsoft are loading scrap that they had and had [TS]

  installed gateways to the internet and it was all convoluted crazy but it all [TS]

  required a big large I T staff and then doing anything like when you're a [TS]

  start-up not having anybody who has to worry about the email server is great [TS]

  because you you know you can concentrate on the thing that is you're trying to [TS]

  build and you can save on your head count and it really matters even if it's [TS]

  just one person because you're leaning meaning whereas if you're already had [TS]

  the IIT staff with a full time I T job that you know proctor and gamble or [TS]

  something like that you're not going to make decisions on what products and [TS]

  services to buy based on when a week we can get rid of the best we can give [TS]

  right right we can make this choice that would obviate the need for jobs [TS]

  totally yeah and it's so many of those enterprise deals are you know you can [TS]

  exchange server be also get office license for everyone in the company and [TS]

  windows and all that stuff so it's a huge deal that's beyond the scope of [TS]

  just emailing and an outlook but you know the companies that are starting his [TS]

  three-person startup now and are growing into some of the company I just pulled [TS]

  up to the spreadsheet some of the companies that are still Google [TS]

  customers you know were less than 10 people a few years ago and those are [TS]

  like Airbnb Warby Parker tumblr you know all these companies are still using [TS]

  Google Apps despite the fact that they are worth billions of dollars in his [TS]

  Tumblr yeah it's crazy to think about [TS]

  given that they're owned by Yahoo yeah and well they've also maintained a [TS]

  pretty [TS]

  their own office yet tumblr [TS]

  a bunch of boring like Etsy does you know in one of the one of those things [TS]

  to where it's there's no real naughty can't migrate billet spinning yes [TS]

  because you've gotta somehow down load all of your email from Google and put it [TS]

  somewhere in and uploaded a flight for example number 12 to switch to Yahoo and [TS]

  truth is without looked up what Yahoo itself uses but I would bet it's not [TS]

  gmail but on the other hand to is the simple fact that gmail is objectively [TS]

  better than Yahoo Mail and you know it's it's a good sign I guess it's shouldn't [TS]

  be that surprising it's a good sign that number is not stay on Gmail you know [TS]

  wasn't by air by edict forced to do it because it would have been a shit [TS]

  sandwich to everybody [TS]

  yeah we're going to Yahoo nothing's going to change also yahoo mail is like [TS]

  you know i i quit one beats music is a good question that's a really good now [TS]

  you know I don't look at it now but that's being good follow-up because I [TS]

  wonder if they're on Gmail I wonder if that would be Apple's they still on [TS]

  exchange it out what are now no I don't think they use Exchange I think they're [TS]

  just simply no straight Street UNIX I am I think could be good look at the [TS]

  headers from email yeah that's an email from Apple apparently there i watch is [TS]

  coming on the show headers OIC Oracle Communications messaging server ya no [TS]

  that's not exchange no yeah that's what I see to our communication messaging [TS]

  server alright so there you go there you go [TS]

  or yeah it's Larry Ellison and can you imagine how that deal got done [TS]

  there was a yacht involved two people you're moving your email to Oracle [TS]

  anything else we also got [TS]

  are decent again why are they have missed that if that's true now they're [TS]

  they're all there in last place but they just called up the number one prospect [TS]

  and so he hit a game-winning home run his first day first major league hit was [TS]

  a game-winning home run what is it what position does he play I think he's [TS]

  playing second I think he's a shortstop [TS]

  yeah I've heard about him so I've been watching the game since finally exciting [TS]

  they're they're not going to be good [TS]

  probably for a year to guessing 2016 you gotta have a shot you have faith in you [TS]

  think there are no I mean I've I've now gotten to the point where I'm just you [TS]

  know we'll see where show me their actual World Series like NLC like when [TS]

  they were in the NLCS I was still very skeptical you know when you grow up with [TS]

  this year like it's kind of spread over and how I see all kinds of stuff but [TS]

  we'll see we'll see when it actually happens but it's exciting to watch as [TS]

  they used to love watching games and they've just been so bad for so long [TS]

  that I haven't even bothered you can even sign up for MLB TV this year until [TS]

  last week so you get a discount on that now cuz I do the monthly which i think [TS]

  is always going to be the price but if you sign up for the year at all but you [TS]

  said yeah it's great well as a fantastic deal for me I'm said that if you if your [TS]

  favorite team is out of town it's amazing to your favorites and it's it's [TS]

  questionable they should they should have a different tier they should have [TS]

  like a tier for people who are fans of the end in game in town team you pay [TS]

  less but you can only watch so many games a year as I can and when you go on [TS]

  vacation you well what they did was the Yankees did a deal with I think one of [TS]

  the cable providers so you could sign up for MLB TV but you ought to [TS]

  pay through some maybe through the case I don't know is crazy [TS]

  was like it was more expensive I think this is one of those things we like [TS]

  these guys are not thinking about their customers at all and but it was some [TS]

  weird thing I think with Cablevision maybe where you could sign up I don't [TS]

  know obviously I didn't do it but you know I'll tell you I don't want to say [TS]

  this is your friend and your frequent guest on the show but I mean it is that [TS]

  in the last couple months I have found more and more good stuff [TS]

  courts yeah we're we're trying hard we were expanding there's an opening on my [TS]

  team if you want to be a science writer New York and we're also working on [TS]

  getting someone in San Francisco to write check for us so let's go it's gray [TS]

  area like it you know I wasn't really looking for a day job but I found a [TS]

  great one and I'm really happy there and there is really good stuff on the site [TS]

  yeah I have a have a piece I haven't posted yet its first post tomorrow [TS]

  cued up by Lily Kuo Kuo I guess on Chinese regulation of social media has [TS]

  on what's really good article I thought I have now read that one yet so wait to [TS]

  find out anyway good stuff there dan is I think it over there so it's been fun [TS]

  at the good to be back in the saddle at the QZ dot com and sitting out of course [TS]

  yeah we shared a new map out sometime this year hopefully sooner than the end [TS]

  of the year so stay tuned for that same time as the Moto 270 yeah right [TS]

  just follow me on Twitter from dome and you'll get updates on all the stuff I'm [TS]

  working on right now that's great so thanks for being here and talk to him [TS]