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  no seriously do you do you do you wear polarized sunglasses I have sunglasses [TS]

  only I don't think they're polarized caused by I buy the cheapest ones [TS]

  possible [TS]

  because I sit on them and I lose them and so I gave up by a nice once horrors [TS]

  Asian I know I'm not an optician are not in optics but the basic idea is sound [TS]

  kinda crazy and you know what the hell they were there they're like blind like [TS]

  horizontal blinds on the lenses there there knowing that they did you can see [TS]

  them with the naked eye but the ideas that make sure glasses like blind [TS]

  without reducing visibility it reduces glare like for example like people who [TS]

  work on the water like fishermen loved polarized sunglasses because it cuts [TS]

  down on glare from the water but you know if you have polarized sunglasses or [TS]

  not because if you look at your iPhone it or any kind of looks different [TS]

  it looks crazy it's raining again I do then I do yes I do you do have I must [TS]

  cause my family [TS]

  the first the first time I noticed that I thought that it was something wrong [TS]

  with the phone [TS]

  and then I realized I but yeah that's exactly it's exactly how how this came [TS]

  to my mind I actually would happen is out I had Marco Arment on the show last [TS]

  week and I heard an episode of his show weeks ago where he was talking about the [TS]

  Warby Parker glasses and sunglasses and said he likes polarized sunglasses and I [TS]

  thought in a million listening to the show that's crazy how can someone uses [TS]

  an iPhone all the time as I presume market does used polarized sunglasses [TS]

  like to meet the debate between whether you get polarized sunglasses or not is [TS]

  over now that we carry iPhones with this all over the place looks bad on your [TS]

  iPhone makes your iPhone the crazy I makes it look to me it makes it look [TS]

  unreadable i I could not bear to use my iPhone with sunglasses and yet I have my [TS]

  sunglasses on and and daytime and I wanted to talk tomorrow about it but we [TS]

  ran short of time because we did quick show so I didn't get to bring it up to [TS]

  him is the effect the same in the casino I would bet given that given all the [TS]

  video poker machines I'm sure they go where you would be most likely be using [TS]

  them well and then further confusion the casinos you know if you start seeing [TS]

  wavy lines and glasses are here last time I saw this guy next to me smokin [TS]

  you just never know what is causing the wavy lines but anyway that's me today [TS]

  that reminded me that they're bringing up with you because I didn't bring up [TS]

  with Marco is that a couple weeks ago I had me sold first original iPod out the [TS]

  one with the wheel that actually spun just a name for old time sake and [TS]

  I think it was it was like yeah I just gotta get out posted a picture on [TS]

  Instagram couple hundred likes it's a beautiful device it really is it looks [TS]

  ancient now because it's so crazy because there's a bigger hard drive but [TS]

  yeah but I had it out and it was in my office here next to my desk thanks to [TS]

  next to a window in the sunshine and amusing here before she ran out for an [TS]

  errand and why did you leave this because it's hers not mine actually I [TS]

  said she got mad at me when I posted to Instagram I made it look and say [TS]

  anything on Instagram she says that mine workers and their huge actor image [TS]

  sleeping on the couch or three night but then she got mad at me because I R acted [TS]

  because I left it out in the Sun for a couple of weeks and I looked at it and I [TS]

  was it didn't really look weird to me and that these sunglasses cuz it [TS]

  actually made it made the original iPod with her son with her polarized [TS]

  sunglasses and made it look as though it had a color screen like you know like a [TS]

  rainbow yeah yeah I got what I would have known that I actually would have [TS]

  been did to me if you borrow your wives original 2001 iPod and literally racket [TS]

  it wasn't you it still works as the thing that amazing find a firewire cable [TS]

  if I'd actually directed that would justify your your ok going blind as long [TS]

  as you can [TS]

  continue to look at yer killin vinyl long-term slaves you can continue to [TS]

  look at your iPhone with crystal clarity clarity right now I don't think non [TS]

  polarized on polarized whatever the word is normal [TS]

  sunglasses are driving me blind I think it just have to put up with a little bit [TS]

  more glare [TS]

  actually ham you might be in the same situation where similar vintage I am [TS]

  having trouble starting starting to get my left eye now my right eye which I [TS]

  don't know if it's better or worse I got it I got it all through my body called [TS]

  is it I looked it up a little bit scared I had to I had to buy and to finally buy [TS]

  a pair of cheaters reading glasses [TS]

  just like cheap grocery store ones how do they work [TS]

  what does it what do they do just makes it easier see things close to him how [TS]

  did I thought the same thing that's what classes [TS]

  reader classes do you can see I'm really well informed about yeah we should [TS]

  really be having this conversation by Lizzie so what you wear contacts I do so [TS]

  I think that's when I think that long range but I think I need to do is a need [TS]

  to get some kind of parent classes they take around with me want to read yeah [TS]

  it's a problem in restaurants now in low light situations trying to return to [TS]

  menus and I know I know now my parents went through and why they so he seems to [TS]

  anoint glasses on and no sympathy for my dad when you went through that all right [TS]

  I remember my dad got his first pair by my dad wears glasses and has his entire [TS]

  adult life i believe i dont i dont have seen a picture of my dad without glasses [TS]

  on since he was a teenager I remember when he got by vocals and he really was [TS]

  struggling with them because it we really have to like hold things in a [TS]

  weird angle and I had no sympathy for making fun of them [TS]

  yeah I gotta arrogance of youth what's it called presbyopia presbyterian [TS]

  presbyopia usually occurs beginning around 8:40 when people experience [TS]

  blurred vision near vision when reading sewing or working at the computer before [TS]

  I did and she started wearing she'd never won classes vision was perfect [TS]

  which I always found irritating to begin with and then she also kept saying [TS]

  things like I think it'd be kinda cool wear glasses I think it look good in [TS]

  glasses you're not going out and getting like blamed glasses look like just a bit [TS]

  but then she got the reader glasses and like the french fries go in with those [TS]

  classes like [TS]

  librarian name names 500 99.9% sure he'd show but he was wearing glasses one day [TS]

  in high school and grade and you know the guy you know makes fun of someone I [TS]

  actually had to start wearing glasses in high school I also got contacts and most [TS]

  of the time I didn't look different but I just did you know about you but I [TS]

  within a day or two it turned out that he didn't have prescription glasses he [TS]

  he he should be literally said I think they make me look smart and then we just [TS]

  tore into him i mean it's like off to the races because of a sudden instead of [TS]

  making fun of somebody for having you know legitimate probable life had bad I [TS]

  said since 4th grade so you know I don't hear it you know I had to live with this [TS]

  pain for a long time [TS]

  you're gonna just wear them because you think they like did I have told this [TS]

  story before this is one of the this may be the funniest thing ever happened to [TS]

  me in my life and I think I've told this story on the show before better but it [TS]

  was years ago so I'm not reaction it was sixth grade and his kid Wayne on the [TS]

  train and I got sent down to the nurse together for the annual kids go down to [TS]

  buy two and checked right and you don't know why they send you to buy two I [TS]

  don't think the nurse was very good with children so she couldn't have and the [TS]

  lights are real low in the room because it's set up for exams and there's a [TS]

  chair to wait and it's about halfway between there's a piece of tape on the [TS]

  ground standard i chart and she said you know who wants to go first and I took a [TS]

  seat I'm halfway to the sign and I thought this would be so easy to cheat [TS]

  because my brain works is you know I'm halfway there I can just memorize the [TS]

  bottom line I saw as something about you know why why wouldn't they [TS]

  you know proctor this exam a little bit more in the meantime in member how these [TS]

  two do it they did like have you have you read and it was the same thing every [TS]

  year to see which line you can read cover the other I do with the other eye [TS]

  and then they are asked to give us a pair of glasses and they were there they [TS]

  look like Warby Parkers now they're like I guess you know they're like what looks [TS]

  cool now black chunky glasses but like in the eighties they were the worst [TS]

  glasses and a real thick and it was the same parent they just put them on and [TS]

  then what do you see what I put them on the scene nothing like the whole world [TS]

  and you know this is the 636 grade same score six years so it's like the 6th [TS]

  time I've done this and I'm sitting there bored listening and she's out what [TS]

  about this row what about this room and doing can't see any of the Rose he [TS]

  couldn't even see the big hit the top started giggling and then that she had [TS]

  to cover his there I and it was the same thing you couldn't read it and how it [TS]

  goes what if you try these on she gives him this pair of glasses everybody had [TS]

  the track he goes oh wow and I just died I just fell out of my chair laughing at [TS]

  the plane has not seen the the board three years and then nurse turns me she [TS]

  was do you think something and I said he had had good parents you know I think [TS]

  his mom is even a nurse nurses kids are always been like he didn't have health [TS]

  care anything I did just like never he never really and somehow I don't know if [TS]

  he had had a really bad year between 5th and 6th grade if he'd been absent the [TS]

  year before when they did the same thing but last two days later doing comes in [TS]

  thanks got glasses he doesn't have to wear them which is pretty pretty good [TS]

  just smiled but is it distance or close distance and mana first first pair that [TS]

  he got where was this Spiderman glasses a picture him with those they were they [TS]

  were and they were asked if they were very subtly spider-man the case was was [TS]

  kind of spider-man depth but the the glasses themselves look like sort of war [TS]

  because they just had a little spider web on the [TS]

  on the things on the side I thought those kids Jonas's school wearing [TS]

  glasses then when I was a kid when I was a kid it it just seemed pretty rare [TS]

  there are now she's pretty common I can't wait to see what happened to these [TS]

  kids you know they say that stand in the way from hours a day as bad guys can [TS]

  imagine how much worse it [TS]

  kids can you imagine corrective surgery cuz i feel like im with us like we were [TS]

  even when we were playing video games and arcade or something the parties were [TS]

  so fuzzy focus closely that was good for us and you can afford to play for you [TS]

  know as long as they can now do think that whenever they people complain about [TS]

  the in-app purchases to realize how much it costs me to play video I worked as a [TS]

  teenager I worked in a man managed by spent I spent everything you pick the [TS]

  place had the key to the place you left without a paycheck every week but I had [TS]

  to keep the place and so on Saturday night my friends and was closed and we [TS]

  were just go down and open it up and clit lock the door was your favorite [TS]

  video game arcade [TS]

  my favorite all-time in that one or not was temple's [TS]

  that's a good game I love all the points do all the vector vector art yeah yeah [TS]

  those are all good yeah Star Wars yeah Star Wars one battle zone battles and I [TS]

  guess I asked her if she was vector graphics to never really thought about [TS]

  that but now they think about the way that I think it was yeah there were a [TS]

  number of asteroids reports that were pretty yeah I remember my favor [TS]

  neighborhood arcade growing up [TS]

  had to buy honor always a favorite and you are coming through that's that Dino [TS]

  Dan benjamin and I talked at length about your coming years ago [TS]

  show he was a big game I don't cause I miss that is now it wont that whole [TS]

  fighter named came a little bit after my time [TS]

  er come true like one of the first ones you google it after the show and you'll [TS]

  see from the graphics quality was it was like Street Fighter yeah it was a lot [TS]

  more like pac-man graphics even had like that I know is made by the same company [TS]

  is pacman had that same exact same score fun same basic idea that were you fight [TS]

  with two guys fight side-by-side but it was it was older older version I'll take [TS]

  a break let's get our way to a smarter one of our great friends let's let's [TS]

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  sign up please so we crossed off the list so far polarized sunglasses and yes [TS]

  arcade arcade games and presbyopia [TS]

  well here's the weird thing I didn't know this is so it with my left eye if I [TS]

  close my right I actually really to be honest I can't read my iphone if it's [TS]

  just with my lifetime I close my left eye I can read with my right eye just [TS]

  like I've always done before and for some odd reason with both eyes open it [TS]

  looks even better I don't know how that works even though my left I can't focus [TS]

  it somehow looks better in my head with both eyes open but obviously of it just [TS]

  happened to my left eye in the past year probably whatever is whatever mechanism [TS]

  it is in there that lets you focus both long distance and short-range it's like [TS]

  one loose like the Millennium Falcon III had no idea but I thought to have with [TS]

  the thing is is that a distant my left eye was also a little blurry I just need [TS]

  a new prescription and so I went to the eye doctor and got any right or left I [TS]

  got a little worse since last year you need new prescription here you go [TS]

  here's a sample contact lens try this out tried it out and close distance [TS]

  stuff got worse way worse and I was I so I went back and it takes a lot for me to [TS]

  go back to a doctor I didn't I just thought everything was blurry in and I [TS]

  got this new thing and after today I see great distance with his new contact land [TS]

  but like reading is worse and I doctor looks i mean he's like yeah it works [TS]

  nearsighted prescription is the worst day makes the the inability to close [TS]

  level right now I'm so all they have to choose between [TS]

  what I want to be able to see ya pretty sad as I did at this point and any [TS]

  any native culture where that's all just piled some sticks around then just left [TS]

  me there continued on without me [TS]

  marker passed away peacefully without being eaten by the animals so here I am [TS]

  41 thank you for you on and I have always felt I felt so good for years [TS]

  that their jitters to a plan under jitters 143 still the starting shortstop [TS]

  for the New York Yankees he's retiring after this year I cannot however much [TS]

  better you know physical condition Derek Jeter has always been in me as being a [TS]

  world-class athlete and me being a guy sits in a chair the difference in age 40 [TS]

  41 as profound he's still the starting shortstop for the yankees and I can't [TS]

  read my phone really feel like this is the beginning of the part where you just [TS]

  everything you die distorts yeah I'm turning in age this year so I decided I [TS]

  was ever gonna get back in shape or get in shape he was kind he was 10 years ago [TS]

  started start yes I need to start a long time ago but now you know for sure and [TS]

  started exercising again and and I went to the doctor and I had everything and I [TS]

  mean everything done what you did have every possible every possible test is [TS]

  being run some of them some of them will take months to complete a special [TS]

  episode of the talk show with a camera that nobody wants to be a very special [TS]

  doesn't want to be there [TS]

  nobody I don't want to be there their listeners definitely don't want to hear [TS]

  about the guy who asked doctor if you could check of his a Darth Vader up his [TS]

  ass but I don't want to just honestly I'm just going to write down here ya SNL [TS]

  Darth Vader Star Wars doctors is fun [TS]

  ya speaka Star Wars x-wing which is what everybody's saying about even though [TS]

  that sounds like a great cause a truly great I think it's awesome I love it [TS]

  yeah I think that these teachers were there to shoot among these practical [TS]

  said and I know that they said you know it was a thing they said when they [TS]

  announced they're gonna do episode 7 and they're gonna change Abrams directing [TS]

  and even set right up front we're gonna you know we're gonna die a little back [TS]

  on the computer graphics and dial it back up a little bit on the practical [TS]

  special effects but actions speak louder than words and just seen something like [TS]

  a real fall life-size X-wing is awesome and I remember story when we were kids [TS]

  and I don't know if it was after all three movies just after you know [TS]

  somewhere in the run when Star Wars was the original story in a magazine about a [TS]

  guy you know and they built you know practical sized [TS]

  swings and might even like it like nineteen you know after the 77 1977 [TS]

  original and some guy in california and put in his backyard he liked you know [TS]

  there is a guy who had like a life-size X-wing his backyard and I as a kid all I [TS]

  can think is that is the coolest thing I've ever heard and I if I had [TS]

  that I would go in and sit in the X-wing everyday now as an adult hello back and [TS]

  I think I can see being stupid enough to buy if I had a backyard they could fit [TS]

  and I could see being stupid enough to pay someone to put it there and then the [TS]

  next day I would wake up and then what I last night [TS]

  summit did a couple years ago maybe a little bit more [TS]

  there was a project going on to build a full size Millennium Falcon I saw that [TS]

  they really built in the forest or someplace can't remember where they were [TS]

  doing it but they had like they'd bought some land and they were building a [TS]

  full-size morning fog I wonder what did they do with like full-size millennium [TS]

  the real full-size Millennium Falcon they built back in 77 I presume they [TS]

  kept around for the next two movies and so that the one you saw an empire was [TS]

  the same one was I'm not sure was there ever really a full size one built [TS]

  because they might have just done the door and down the rest of the map I [TS]

  think sure there's there's something pretty big in this scene where you know [TS]

  they're loading up I don't know if it's truly full size and articulated from [TS]

  every angle but but the one in most isley where you know they're getting on [TS]

  the ship and a race against time because the storm troopers are setting up but [TS]

  that's a prediction clearly a pretty big pretty big physical thing there and I [TS]

  think about it like when there is shooting off the Minox inside the [TS]

  dinosaur in the asteroid in the next movie and ending on hot there's a pretty [TS]

  big 12 is up there fixing yeah there's a big and I may not be articulated on all [TS]

  sides I don't know but visually the Millennium Falcon was represented by [TS]

  several models and external and internal sets for Star Wars a partial exterior [TS]

  set was constructed in the set to rest as docking bay 94 and the Death Star [TS]

  hanger [TS]

  or do you think they were they not able to move that and then they they they [TS]

  changed the most isley docking bay to become the Death Star that would be cool [TS]

  maybe I'll bet that maybe this is a sign that says it would be just as docking [TS]

  bay 94 that was the one of the most likely right yeah it's just a partial [TS]

  exteriors so shiny new actually I think it's pretty cool yeah I'm kinda I'm kind [TS]

  of pro these movies I know some people are concerned I think a lot of people [TS]

  our age have a subscribe to end its a sensible Maxim but the fool me once [TS]

  shame on you fool me twice shame on me and so they are not going to get excited [TS]

  about the new trilogy until well after it comes out no way no how no chance [TS]

  that is not gonna be better [TS]

  than the last three and the last three left such a bad taste in my mouth [TS]

  i'm happy to have pretty much anything I got confused by your sense because of [TS]

  the two negatives but I said there's no chance that it's not going to be better [TS]

  which means it has to you and what you're trying to say yes to be better [TS]

  has to be better [TS]

  yes I think that I agree larry kasdan involved on the screenplay Abrams is [TS]

  good you know I think abrams worst movies better than than those yes I [TS]

  we've said this before I've said this numerous times over Star Wars comes up [TS]

  on the show though you have to understand that for like our kids [TS]

  generation [TS]

  the they're all blur together my son Jonah still has no idea which ones are [TS]

  the old ones in the know how can you not tell the difference [TS]

  three movies that are very very different and that when I was your age [TS]

  we thought Return of the Jedi was the bad one and now we think that was a [TS]

  great movie [TS]

  thanks lou has not seen the prequels [TS]

  I am i yeah I mean he's not is he loved the Clone Wars TV series and he's seen [TS]

  the first three movies and then I was like an X files like if you want to we [TS]

  can watch movies like now [TS]

  you in Syria John Siracusa are like the founder yeah but for a while it was it [TS]

  was a very when he was really kind of into the woods into the movies [TS]

  themselves for a while before he got into the the Clone Wars show and I think [TS]

  at that point he has hit was he asked a lot of questions about the other three [TS]

  movies and I was like wow we don't have them exist I worry I worry about those [TS]

  movies because they came from the same guy and it's not talking about getting [TS]

  older and you know and there's there's I don't know who this is I'm not a doctor [TS]

  but they say that like you know I for every few years every single cell in [TS]

  your body dies in his replace throughout the cycle so like I don't know within [TS]

  like 10 years every cell in your brain has died and been replaced [TS]

  you know and hopefully you know they they have any kind of memories that last [TS]

  longer than that is that way she gets stored as I'm going out I've got a [TS]

  memory of big dog in 1984 and in the news [TS]

  iran comes in and goes I got it I got right but I don't know if there is [TS]

  something nice job enjoy your retirement there is something that happened to [TS]

  george lucas as he got older that is just very MEA he might be a seems like a [TS]

  very nice man [TS]

  and you know he's had a very happy life but as an artist the guy that the guy [TS]

  who made thx 1138 eventually made the Phantom Menace is just mind-boggling and [TS]

  that it wasn't because I like a work for hire you know you know gotta do it for [TS]

  the money at stake he funded the whole thing I'm so lucky he's set everything [TS]

  up and that's why it was so that to me is is why those movies are so profoundly [TS]

  disappointing was that he always impressed me that in a very different [TS]

  way than like Stanley Kubrick that he he was a guy who wanted to do things his [TS]

  own way outside the studio system you know I was thought it was cool everybody [TS]

  knew you know he wasn't Los Angeles based he was in Northern California [TS]

  nobody else was up there making movies and then he he created this amazing [TS]

  franchise that and and set up the licensing and such a way that he got all [TS]

  the money from it so that he would never have to go to the studios from money to [TS]

  make a movie again he could just wanted to and then he made used it to make [TS]

  Howard the Duck in the Phantom Menace [TS]

  yeah yeah I mean he had known the answer to either themself [TS]

  towered the doctor at his grandparents house and i got really a couple of how [TS]

  did that happen I don't know what it was like he was there [TS]

  babysat for the weekend we watch for the weekend in our way and Netflix or [TS]

  something like that let's watch that I tried to explain to him that it was from [TS]

  the guy who invented store owners and you wouldn't believe me [TS]

  a half an hour in which both talk about Apple eventually yeah a financial [TS]

  results came out today [TS]

  you know well today for us not today for the people of this entry into this later [TS]

  come out till thursday or some people should listen live [TS]

  should i do that you know the ATP guys have that it is helpful as I'm listening [TS]

  to ATP and they either make a mistake can think of something that they don't [TS]

  have to interrupt themselves and Google it they just keep their eye on the chat [TS]

  and say you know it's kind of amazing and it sort of reminds me of like the [TS]

  podcast equivalent of like on a light on and live TV the way the anger always has [TS]

  your piece and a director somebody off stage can tell them things you know so [TS]

  that caused it so that the person whose on-air doesn't have to interrupt the [TS]

  shadow [TS]

  like it works remember having it with the old talk show in 10 Benjamin for a [TS]

  while not a long stretch but for some stretch we had like an IRC channel or [TS]

  something like that and it was occasionally helpful I don't think I [TS]

  could do it though because I think the reason it works for ATP guys is that [TS]

  they required on a very regular schedule where every Wednesday night at nine I [TS]

  don't think I've ever recorded two episodes of the show same day I can I [TS]

  can the ones that I've been on you up at midnight but it's only midnight out [TS]

  there you go [TS]

  remember why I remember being disappointed I was disappointed when I [TS]

  found out that like the tonight show wasn't life [TS]

  yeah although I [TS]

  growing up I mean greater New York [TS]

  life was lived yes yes which was great [TS]

  that was that was a crazy it was great to see them crack up and [TS]

  those rules the moments that you remembered [TS]

  but that was basically [TS]

  there are like that nobody's live in the tonight show used to be live on the east [TS]

  coast and then I think at some point in the sixties they switched or maybe it [TS]

  was when they moved to California in the seventies when they moved from New York [TS]

  to California in the seventies maybe that's when they switched and it just [TS]

  felt like a bit of it she right but then I started thinking of it is more like [TS]

  knowing like a magician's magic trick at first it ruins the illusion and anything [TS]

  hey this is pretty cool these people they're clearly pretending they don't [TS]

  lie they don't tell you it's live but they're acting as though it's late at [TS]

  night somehow that was ever going to and went to a show on NBC and its like it [TS]

  was like at four o'clock in the afternoon or something not right now but [TS]

  a big tits but they kinda I mean they cheat he does he does like a time that [TS]

  it's you know to stay up until eleven o'clock right or like like like an [TS]

  election nato make jokes like as though he knows who won the election [TS]

  so financial results came in that's what we were on I hardly really looked at and [TS]

  it seemed like they were more or less kind of sort of in line not shocking [TS]

  financially good iPhones pretty good a little bit I found a little higher than [TS]

  expected [TS]

  yeah margins are still grade higher than expected and that was that's been a [TS]

  thing like that that during the rundown of the stock like the great 2013 Apple [TS]

  depression was always about the margin that the margins are collapse they can't [TS]

  you know and and part of it was because they had a run for a couple of maybe [TS]

  even number year where they had insanely high margins and I think maybe who knows [TS]

  if it will how much of it was just remember when they bought all the LEDs [TS]

  LCD screens and a bunch of RAM in advance it was like somehow like that [TS]

  that paid off huge and they had like 40 something percent margins for a while [TS]

  and part of it was just that that was a fluke in terms of being high and they [TS]

  kept saying it was a fluke [TS]

  you know this is all you know we'll take the money but this is a surprise that [TS]

  normally that they should not be this high and then part of it was just you [TS]

  know bad luck that it down a little bit but then I know there was a lot of [TS]

  speculation for a while that the margins were gonna compress yeah but now [TS]

  the only it's like the only [TS]

  question is the iPads are down again yeah i pad down here oh well it's two [TS]

  things I think it and I think they maybe they're related I don't know iPad is [TS]

  down 10% year-over-year 49 produced 2000 really well max are up 18 percent and [TS]

  the max 18 percent is even more impressive because according to most [TS]

  like IDC in other people who track the whole industry the industry as a whole [TS]

  is still down 2 percent for the same quarter so in an industry where like [TS]

  Windows PCs or I guess including the Mac including all Mac and Windows Windows [TS]

  Windows PCs must be worse if the matter further right and I think that's kind of [TS]

  surprising because I feel like a couple of years ago when the iPad 2011 2012 [TS]

  when I pad was early days and and was clearly a hit I think there everybody [TS]

  was including me was sort of thinking about how how is this as the iPad gets [TS]

  more powerful and more popular and more familiar how is that can affect Mac [TS]

  laptop sales probably you know be like a sort of slow decline and it seems like [TS]

  that the other way around I don't know yeah yeah that's it's interesting I [TS]

  don't know exactly where I think some of the negativity about Windows machine [TS]

  sales as well as aid yeah it's just not the often those kinds of upgrades drive [TS]

  sales in effect this time because everybody hates it I had really just [TS]

  don't think if you went back late 2011 and early days as tablets and mobile [TS]

  phones [TS]

  gangbusters I just don't think I would have believed that come 2014 the Mac [TS]

  woods Dolci ATM I why does my heart [TS]

  well you know it's great to see them active yeah I like that ad did you like [TS]

  that the Yeah Yeah Yeah I liked it a lot [TS]

  yeah and I noticed them in like that that little flash of the old I come the [TS]

  old logos great [TS]

  the old logo came up [TS]

  I so this is a new commercial that Apple they call it a short film it happens to [TS]

  be exactly thirty seconds long but I don't know you'll see it on TV money in [TS]

  between two predicaments of a show in between commercials to broadcast thirty [TS]

  seconds short film about one of their products they're not gonna do it then [TS]

  who is if you haven't seen it it's just 30 seconds of almost like stop motion [TS]

  animation but it's just a whole bunch own very very quick cuts I think maybe [TS]

  less than a second each MacBook and MacBook Airs switch to [TS]

  thought that the whole thing holes and was about that was about the air ok that [TS]

  has a MacBook everybody's maybe it's two different sizes and MacBook Airs but [TS]

  with you know all sorts of custom stickers decorating the Apple logo case [TS]

  they never show the screen it's always just the Apple logo some of them I've [TS]

  seen before [TS]

  some of them pretty clever but then I noticed the one about halfway through [TS]

  its like pixel art version of the old six color Apple logo that you put over [TS]

  the Apple logo on the MacBook and then when they met when the Apple logo lights [TS]

  up it lights up the decal I saw that one at first I thought oh cool I haven't [TS]

  seen you know that's a neat way to sneak the old apple logo into an ad but then [TS]

  at the very end of the ad very quickly cycle through different styles of the [TS]

  Apple logo not on a Macbook just the Apple logo included in the old six color [TS]

  amal ago and I found that really interesting that some pushback I wrote [TS]

  about it and I said something whether they say it's a pretty well [TS]

  I rode people have been decorating a laptop stickers and decals ever since [TS]

  they became consumer products didn't see many stickers on them and it cost $5,000 [TS]

  first time I tried to buy a PowerBook of $6,000 gonna happen and I don't think we [TS]

  need to commission a demographic survey to state that younger people are more [TS]

  likely to do this than older people no coincidence that the spot is debuting [TS]

  and back-to-school season in the old days Apple didn't have to worry about [TS]

  conformance just owning a Mac major stand out from the crowd but what [TS]

  happened now when everyone you know has a MacBook and every MacBook looks the [TS]

  same something like this commercial is what happened some people push for a [TS]

  country like everybody you know as a Macbook and it's obviously something [TS]

  like that doesn't literally mean everybody but I that's the case and a [TS]

  lot of schools that there are you know whether it's high school or college [TS]

  where it seems like everybody you know I'm seeing those pictures you see those [TS]

  pictures like lecture halls yeah I mean that's been happening for years before [TS]

  these market changes happened in the PC market where where PC started falling [TS]

  and apple and Max are rising and I think it's you know that when younger [TS]

  teenagers and college students and even more profound so yet take every word [TS]

  every one with a grain of salt but if it seems like most of your friends all have [TS]

  MacBooks all MacBooks especially from the back look exactly the same you know [TS]

  their pro they're all just aluminum with white logo i mean i think is a cool luck [TS]

  but you know as a kid that's there's a sort of resistance to that sort of [TS]

  confinement yeah [TS]

  I'm not a fan of the plastic covers for plastic covers and wants to put a cover [TS]

  on my iPhone but I just as I feel like I'm gonna drop that but i dont on a [TS]

  Macbook I don't [TS]

  like the plastic yeah and I don't think the other thing shells shells yeah the [TS]

  other thing that's interesting about that commercial is it shows a bunch of [TS]

  them that are beaten up literally dented scratched well used and that pretty [TS]

  interesting to my knowledge I think Matthew Bender you know I don't think [TS]

  Apple's ever advertised with you know well-worn well but they've talked about [TS]

  it before like johnnie I've at least hasn't knows you know those videos he [TS]

  shoots from the white University lives in the guy who runs the matrix matrix [TS]

  you know that that they choose these materials for how they where you know [TS]

  and it should be like a pair of you know good pair of boots blue jeans or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  look better but they don't show it like that but I do think there's a truth to [TS]

  it you know and I think that especially when you know i phone is different cuz [TS]

  it's got class and can you know that the glass all things are offered I don't use [TS]

  a case for my phone but I don't blame anybody does because glass whereas you [TS]

  know MacBooks are in my experience extremely [TS]

  yeah especially as specially since they've switched to SSDs [TS]

  yeah I think that you know the aluminum you know I think that it's kinda need i [TS]

  think johnnie I've private like that I think he'd like privacy in Siena beat up [TS]

  in the morning and that they do think they designed for ya [TS]

  uses a very old MacBook Air MacBook Pro thing like physically rough or leg rough [TS]

  everything I mean it's gonna end and he seems like he spilled a drink on the [TS]

  keyboard and I gotta figure out how to get the keys up to clean cuz it's clear [TS]

  sticky now underneath their sticky it's easy clean the top of them but now [TS]

  they're attached that I would not type on that thing just a bit of a passive [TS]

  aggressive street where he's taken now to showing me some Minecraft mods [TS]

  there's there's there's shaders and they they totally changed the way the game is [TS]

  rendered and and he says look this one is meant for MacBook MacBook Airs to [TS]

  make it look better and still like wow isn't that interesting and then put this [TS]

  one is actually all right even though it wasn't meant for an old man but this [TS]

  one's any goes well its laggy but it's not as like I do kind of feel bad [TS]

  in the sense that somehow I'm proud that he you know cares about frame rate right [TS]

  now I get that I get that but we've got a great running gag on our house because [TS]

  it's a 32 so it's there's never a tie somebody's always going to win and so [TS]

  like one of ours is [TS]

  standard def video on the TV and he doesn't really notice doesn't really [TS]

  seem to care and Jonas Jonas has been poisoned you expect me to watch this [TS]

  notice is the video quality that much maybe it's cuz he's known as glasses but [TS]

  he definitely like frame rates or buffering it dry them deserve oh god [TS]

  help you if something is buffering and drops below 60 when he had a move to [TS]

  another country where they have 60 frames per second so when I was a kid we [TS]

  had eight pixels on the screen at a black-and-white TV are Atari 2600 [TS]

  literally had a switch you can flip that said you're playing on a blog on my TV [TS]

  remember that BMW was like I guess it's you know only choose shades you know my [TS]

  first video game console mode for buying anything else on the quarterly finances [TS]

  just that they are looking forward to having a big fall recording at a time [TS]

  where I have not seen the conference call which is usually were more [TS]

  information comes out so they've dropped him [TS]

  expected yes anything which you know we're hoping for a kind of expecting to [TS]

  win in the other thing I thought was interesting was that [TS]

  Tim Cook said that the growth in the iPhone 5 CEO they don't give up don't [TS]

  break out how well each iPhone does [TS]

  but he said the growth this quarter and the iPhone 5 seat year was higher than [TS]

  the growth in either the 405 us [TS]

  so right now their words not you know obviously there's no there was no [TS]

  previous four seeded compared against but it was that pricing tiers yes yes so [TS]

  it was compared to the fore si year ago yes compared to the forest year ago [TS]

  correct yeah yeah I think that's interesting especially since there are a [TS]

  lot of people who were sort of talk in the five see up as a failure rate how [TS]

  that it was that's the air and it's only in arguably a failure in that they don't [TS]

  think they didn't sell as many as Apple thought there in cell or maybe they [TS]

  didn't sell as many as I thought they would in the first quarter but maybe the [TS]

  year as a whole [TS]

  yeah I guess it's only nine months or so but it's still like it's like the fourth [TS]

  or fifth best-selling phone I I see a lot of them I really do I started [TS]

  yesterday you keep seeing more and more [TS]

  yeah I think you know I don't think Apple I know from talking to some people [TS]

  that they don't they don't they're didn't have a crystal ball they don't [TS]

  they didn't know exactly how many like talking to them last year when they [TS]

  first announced them and to me the part that stuck out right on day one that I [TS]

  think it was $199 $299 was one price review for the exact same price [TS]

  carriers subsidize you can get either the 5s or the five see you can get like [TS]

  the best five see where the worst 5s I think and I was 19 different I just [TS]

  different [TS]

  yeah yeah you know and did you know the 5s has 16 gigabytes 5s versus 32 [TS]

  gigabyte five see that I could be wrong and I don't even email me but you know [TS]

  something like that you get 32 gigabytes privacy or 16 gigabyte 5s at the exact [TS]

  same price and I thought that was interesting because that's for some [TS]

  people who someone is less informed you know maybe that's a difficult decision [TS]

  how did they think that was gonna break out and we don't know you know we really [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  estimate but you know until we put the stuff out you know we're off [TS]

  were always a little surprised by wit which you know the exact configurations [TS]

  are better than some consistency Europe but sometimes you can't predict it so I [TS]

  think they're probably a little surprised if I have she didn't sell rate [TS]

  right off the bad and maybe they're a little surprised that it has legs as [TS]

  strong as it does but I think easy explanation you know that it is the one [TS]

  that people who are enthusiasts is always going to be the top brand new one [TS]

  right that you care about things like that the camera is a little better as an [TS]

  extra have stopped of exposure and you care about the fact that they seven is a [TS]

  faster CPU I mean every day my life is better every day because my phone run 64 [TS]

  bit can't believe there's people out there running and 32 bit so if I had a [TS]

  32 bit something I probably couldn't read my phone with either I just kill [TS]

  myself but now you know i mean when we think about things like that and then we [TS]

  do stupid things like go get online on day 12 by 12 so that we can have it the [TS]

  first day that it comes out whereas people who are not like that like just [TS]

  buy a phone whenever they're old man breaks or whenever they feel like [TS]

  they're old one man that I'm sick of this old phone and then they go in and [TS]

  they're like wow i like that pink one that looks cool down and they don't care [TS]

  about the fact that the cameras one year old and so of course it makes sense that [TS]

  that's the one I do now is make sense that the one [TS]

  that would do better year-over-year like us more of a slow burn bright and it [TS]

  still looks new looks like a new phone [TS]

  whereas I he year ago if you were going to buy the mid tier phone you're getting [TS]

  for us and it kind of looked a little older just kinda look like a year old [TS]

  from compared to their 50 s where's the five-seat looks just as now just in a [TS]

  different style it was another there was a rumor about Wall Street Journal [TS]

  that the Apple was ordering [TS]

  sixty to eighty million big phones I saw something about this some huge number [TS]

  right whereas like they like I think like last year in the fall they sold [TS]

  like 50 million and so something like this is a huge spike yeah I saw some [TS]

  stuff on Twitter about that words like one rogue report that they're ordering [TS]

  eighty million iPhones now means that you know six months from now on every [TS]

  port the holiday quarter fell 75 and is gonna be no matter how much higher is [TS]

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  maybe a week or two behind it he peed Siracusa brought up I thought a great [TS]

  question [TS]

  talking about this they're talking about you know this pervasive rumors that it [TS]

  can be too big or iPhone four point seven inch and 5.5 inch how come if [TS]

  there's going to be a 5.5 inch iPhone that wire where are the component leaks [TS]

  because there's all sorts of component leaks reported for the four point seven [TS]

  and they're from people who had like a year ago when they had component leaks [TS]

  of things like the gold back of the 5s you know we're pretty much spot on but [TS]

  there's no there's so you know before the 4.7 inch new iPhone is seems to be [TS]

  tracking exactly on pace leak wise as the last two or three years about from [TS]

  which to me it makes it seem like a slam dunk like unless something goes wrong it [TS]

  seems like that's that's going to be a new products but there's nothing I [TS]

  haven't seen anything like there have been screened have come out for the four [TS]

  point seven cases nothing for the 5.5 and then like Reuters have a story last [TS]

  week was Reuters business week but one of them had a story that said that that [TS]

  the four point seven inch i phone sex is going into production now like me in [TS]

  July and the 5.5 inch one is going into production next month meaning August but [TS]

  you might think well if it's a month behind then you know maybe the league's [TS]

  against are coming soon but leaks for the four point seven inch front came [TS]

  more than a month ago started a long time right I started months ago [TS]

  mmm course it makes sense that they would pick up if it is entering [TS]

  production but I don't know there's something about this 5.5 inch to meet [TS]

  the sound isn't gonna happen [TS]

  and she's kind of crazy to think that they would have phone comes in three [TS]

  sizes [TS]

  that seems to just before I knew it seems like it its intended use two at [TS]

  the same time since it seems like it would make sure its head explode like [TS]

  from a product marketing perspective how do you frame it you know how you frame [TS]

  the story like like with the iPad's they've got the same specs same camera [TS]

  same you know CPU same pixel dimensions it's just you want bigger smaller and [TS]

  you have to pay $120 bucks or whatever the differences for the bigger one and [TS]

  somehow seems to make sense in consumers minds a little more to get a better one [TS]

  pay less to get a smaller or maybe it doesn't maybe that's why iPad sales are [TS]

  down but but somehow comes across as feeling fair whereas if they come out [TS]

  with two new iPhones sixes and they're like the same a a system-on-a-chip same [TS]

  new and improved camera the same then this and one cost more than the other [TS]

  one which one cost more I'd rather have the smart one so what I write it doesn't [TS]

  seem to me like you should pay more for a bigger one so I don't I didn't make [TS]

  any sense maybe maybe maybe we're in luck maybe this year I don't want to buy [TS]

  the most expensive I need a particular because they've approached this so [TS]

  slowly and carefully to date ya jumping up to 5.5 inches seems unnecessary and [TS]

  you're still there still growing sales I mean it's not like it you know it was [TS]

  the iPad maybe we might think okay well sales are falling maybe they need to do [TS]

  something else but you know it's not like it's not like they have a pretty [TS]

  big problems selling iPhones iPods are only selling record numbers and [TS]

  conversely I don't think it makes any sense product marketing wise for if [TS]

  there's 241 to be like a deer and one to be the beach here because there's some [TS]

  number of people who are going to [TS]

  want the other one but one the other specs right somebody is going to say I [TS]

  want to top of the line iPhone the top of the line one is the 5.5 inch and the [TS]

  mid tier one is 4.7 inch like the five see equivalent class spec wise well I'm [TS]

  gonna be upset because i dont wanna 5.5 inch I even spent half an hour being a [TS]

  Showtime how I can read my eye I don't want it I don't I rather not be able to [TS]

  read my phone then carry something that I don't get it I don't see how they [TS]

  could do it you know and then you know let's say that the 5.5 inch better [TS]

  camera than four point seven in turn will that I don't make me angry right I [TS]

  just don't see it does make it is never made any sense to me like the iPhone I [TS]

  don't know how old weight and end and then do they still there for sort of a [TS]

  soul or does the [TS]

  if they switch to a thing where the new iPhone sex is out and it has now it has [TS]

  a four point seven inch screen i dont that that doesn't sound good to me I [TS]

  like four inches but I'll try it and it does sound reasonable and it does maybe [TS]

  you know as batteries get bigger you know you you know maybe I'll be happy [TS]

  with it thank you know what I kinda like having a bigger and you know you know I [TS]

  guess maybe maybe i mean and when they get when the five came out it was [TS]

  physically smaller than the 40 S right at the screen but in terms of volume was [TS]

  actually a smaller and is all I would hope they would do something like that [TS]

  yeah it felt like a fair tradeoff yeah we're going to 5.5 is just ridiculous [TS]

  I'm not saying know that I i cant believe that other people would want a [TS]

  device like that I do I totally understand that some people love them [TS]

  and that they you know that there is a sweet spot between you know I don't need [TS]

  a tablet and phone I just have this one device I know it's not for me I've seen [TS]

  such similar devices I can't imagine carrying them around carrying around my [TS]

  pocket everywhere I go I just don't see it I also doubt I do think they're also [TS]

  though and and with the discussions note you know joking aside about you know via [TS]

  it does raise the question of what is the point of getting a bigger screen is [TS]

  it to make everything bigger so that you see the same amount of texts but now [TS]

  it's bigger or is it to put more on the screen [TS]

  keep the texts the same size and you can have more texts at the same time [TS]

  yeah I think the answer is maybe both [TS]

  little bit of both right with the settings you know with the colorado is [TS]

  one of the other [TS]

  depth of text but there's seventy introduced then read on the general text [TS]

  size and you can make text bigger system wide [TS]

  and maybe you know it always seems to me like when you make it bigger the current [TS]

  iPhone takes up too much space maybe with a 5.5 inch fun that would be a [TS]

  great option for people with failing eyesight that I can see that is a great [TS]

  product but I just don't see how they sell alongside the four point advantage [TS]

  at least at the same here just seems like a lot to say that to me [TS]

  leaks even though there are leaks coming out I feel like we know less about what [TS]

  they're gonna announce iPhone wise then in years many years I can't even [TS]

  remember the last time I've had to guess last year about this time we had was [TS]

  quite this time certainly by August we had seen [TS]

  pricey I'd already written a review now I know we didn't see the privacy did we [TS]

  we know but I thought we saw the shells I thought we only saw the five at the [TS]

  meadowlands I think we saw the plastic ones we did name required [TS]

  they were white yeah but we did see all the colors I think we just like a white [TS]

  plastic one yeah I do remember something so we're we're in agreement [TS]

  5.5 yet anyway I don't know and then there's people in the the people saying [TS]

  the rumors saying that it's a month behind her there might come early next [TS]

  year [TS]

  why they wouldn't announce that in September then that seems weird that [TS]

  they would do that I give it three or four months behind that seems to me like [TS]

  that's a non-starter it should either be at the same time and therefore in time [TS]

  for the holidays or like six months later you could be due in April or [TS]

  something like that yeah but if you know the holidays such a weird blip on their [TS]

  quarter you mean you can see it every time they have these you know like today [TS]

  every time they do the quarterly financial management at such a weird [TS]

  there's such a holiday company [TS]

  that it doesn't make sense that they would have something that would debut in [TS]

  January and they can announced in September because then people would you [TS]

  know the whole Osborne effect that they're not going to want to buy the 4.7 [TS]

  inch one until they can see the 5.5 in 20 make a side-by-side comparison or you [TS]

  know they can't just have five point you know we are not going to sell it until [TS]

  January but we'll put him in the stores so you can see him whenever people love [TS]

  them you know what they're gonna did they wait doesn't make any sense you [TS]

  know you know show people something unless you can sell it yeah I just don't [TS]

  get it something just doesn't doesn't some of those rumors came from Chico I'm [TS]

  sure who is held up as one of the really good [TS]

  rumor resources and used to work for digital times that works in our ta [TS]

  securities when everybody I don't even know if it to hear is but if he got here [TS]

  and he's he's got a number of things correct but he's also got a number of [TS]

  things completely incorrect because last year he said that the iPhones to be [TS]

  announced at WWDC right and and he's the one saying that the the iPhone still a [TS]

  big iPhones are delayed in [TS]

  won't be coming in may not come until next year I think that if the 5.5 inch [TS]

  iPhone is quota is delayed maybe they were working on it maybe it is delayed [TS]

  for whatever reason that means it's pushed back here that's what I yeah I [TS]

  would think so they're not going to do something to three months after the [TS]

  initial so here's here's what I can't wait for that [TS]

  imagine this scenario September comes there's a big iPhone event Yerba Buena [TS]

  Center is rented out to put up some kind of big colorful poster I fly out there [TS]

  we have a big shown dog show dog and pony show ya and the only new iPhone [TS]

  announced is 4.75% sex it doesn't matter how awesome that phone is how many [TS]

  people are going to say where's my right i mean they can't win situation that [TS]

  Apple is in like it if they I don't see how they could do this make sense of how [TS]

  they would do both but if they don't do both there's gonna be some number of [TS]

  people who are outraged gonna say that they are out of touch you know disappear [TS]

  in 60 days [TS]

  did they did they disappear after the sixty days I wanted to know someone [TS]

  asked on a conference call I guess he trip trip Chowdhry does not get on the [TS]

  conference was great it is not the answer [TS]

  Kickstarter that I would totally Kickstarter project trip Chowdhry onto [TS]

  the every quarter conference call at least for the next four you know will [TS]

  pay whatever it costs and we get trip Chowdhry on every get one question on [TS]

  every call Jean monsters but right now we're just gonna ask about Apple TV is [TS]

  gonna ask a question yeah yeah that's get funded trip Chowdhry [TS]

  Crowder here [TS]

  penciled in for just appearing in early June when you didn't release and I [TS]

  watched thing this is Tim Cook southern accent question now we're still here [TS]

  next quarter I don't know how we can keep the lights on the other thing from [TS]

  the herd on the little bit of the conference call that I heard before we [TS]

  got on the air was that while the iPad sales were down overall they were up [TS]

  about fifty percent in countries like China and India which was interesting [TS]

  and they were down in [TS]

  mature countries developed nations BRIC countries BMI see what is the residual [TS]

  Russia India China Brazil Russia India China Brazil Russia India China sounds [TS]

  for random countries which is yet although there except that they're both [TS]

  all four are enormously populist right right so those those four countries it [TS]

  way up and isn't that exactly the the those are exactly the sort of countries [TS]

  where I feel like everybody said they would never ever selling iPads well and [TS]

  they also are like the sort of countries where everybody was saying last year [TS]

  when the five see came out and wasn't cheap you know that everybody saying [TS]

  keep iPhone and they came out and it wasn't there was no they had nothing to [TS]

  do with the cost it had to do with having the mid tier occupied by a new [TS]

  device at the same price points instead of a year old device coming down that's [TS]

  all they did nothing to do with the price is about replacing the middle tier [TS]

  with a new phone rather than in one that was probably cheaper yeah I think that [TS]

  helped helped help their margin right I think yeah I think that there's [TS]

  something yeah there's something to that where I think that the the the refined [TS]

  aluminum if you know if they had held the past pattern instead of the five see [TS]

  the five she wouldn't exist and the iPhone 5 would still be sold at that [TS]

  point which is what the five she is in turn which also against we want to [TS]

  speculate but i found out i mean i phone 5 CBS which would be an iPhone 5s in a [TS]

  plastic case I would like I don't know if they're going to call it a five ccs [TS]

  cuz it's starting to get to me the simplest thing is the 25 C drops down to [TS]

  50 strips down and you get a 4.7 inch yeah but I kind of feel like the pattern [TS]

  a cent last year as they don't wanna sell the [TS]

  nice case are you know in the middle in the middle I do I feel like I feel like [TS]

  that year was a setup just to get to the point where the plastic cases on the [TS]

  bottom level maybe could be either one of the other that's a good question good [TS]

  point could be about that they needed to get out one year in advance before it [TS]

  could be could be I don't know that not so sure about I know I think it's sort [TS]

  of about CMI my guess is that it's sort of about setting your expectations for [TS]

  which one will cost more before you even turn them on that you can look at a five [TS]

  seed and a five a side by side while the screens are off and I think most people [TS]

  would be able to guess which one is more expensive than the other whereas my five [TS]

  ask the current five ass pick your favorite color versus the iPhone 6 this [TS]

  4.75% sex I don't know that you'll be able to do that right if you you know if [TS]

  you just purely like bigger devices against you think this one is nicer but [TS]

  you know if you like smaller devices you might think that the 5 S's whereas if [TS]

  they put the 5s internals in 2005 see style plastic case then it sets that up [TS]

  or not that's good that's one of the things I'll be looking forward to next [TS]

  month or September I guess the BRIC countries know I'd I think that [TS]

  everybody said last year that they need to sell cheap iPhone for china because [TS]

  people in China per capita don't have a lot of money [TS]

  emerging markets emerging markets and I think I don't think Apple thinks there [TS]

  are such things as emerging markets I really don't think the way they approach [TS]

  it is that there's people who can afford my friends and people who can't you know [TS]

  and I don't mean to be you know but the fact that the average person in China [TS]

  maybe can't afford an iPhone 5 see you probably can't afford iPhone see let's [TS]

  face it doesn't mean that there aren't [TS]

  millions and millions of people in China who can because there's a billion people [TS]

  in China the other thing they did in the spring was sad and eight gigabyte iPhone [TS]

  5 see ya that's a little weird I kind of had much to do with it I can't believe [TS]

  that the difference from Apple's perspective between eight and 16 [TS]

  gigabytes is so much is enough to warrant that it seems my Israeli yeah [TS]

  yeah you know and a camera that can shoot high-definition and stuff it's [TS]

  like wow that's just seems really I mean I was looking I was looking at Amazon [TS]

  had a sale on Kindle Fire last week and was looking at them and think the price [TS]

  difference between the I think there was any gigabyte and a 16 gigabyte and the [TS]

  price difference between the two is like $20 and even then you go for you that's [TS]

  just just because you know the cost difference can I bennett lesson 20 bucks [TS]

  but you can't how can you price of $5 partner whatever yeah you know and I [TS]

  know RAM is the same way and that's another John Siracusa frequent complaint [TS]

  that Apple always short changes the devices on RAM in 05 I think I don't [TS]

  know whatever we have we we all wish we had more than one gigabyte of RAM and [TS]

  that's that sounds right and that it it comes back to bite in the long run at [TS]

  the tail end like when somebody with a four as upgrades 27 and it feels like [TS]

  their phones running slow yeah like the number one thing Apple can do that would [TS]

  make that better I you know he thinks and i i agree would be if if they had [TS]

  doubled the RAM all along like if every single iPhone ship may be excused the [TS]

  first generation one because it is crazy I can't believe this thing but it's like [TS]

  the last few years of I found it had more like they had gone to a gigabyte in [TS]

  the years when they had 512 megabytes and therefore these ones now that have a [TS]

  gigabyte had to gigabyte [TS]

  it would I think it would give them a lot more headroom down the road for like [TS]

  the last supported iOS update they're going to give ya cuz it's sort of a [TS]

  no-win situation for them where they cut them off earlier everybody like wow I [TS]

  just by the front two years ago an hour they don't get the software update but [TS]

  then they get the software update and it makes her phone cool slower because I am [TS]

  because it's optimized for the the brand new you know you know the first priority [TS]

  is to make it awesome on the top of the line iPhone which has more RAM than they [TS]

  get I know you have you get a limited dish in limited edition 256 gigabyte [TS]

  iPhone but my wife I believe that the 16 [TS]

  we've been eating by on 16th so that the first iPhone 4 gigabytes iPhones [TS]

  we were speaking limited editions there was a real limited limited edition and [TS]

  and I use that for two years and towards the end it got really painful and I'm in [TS]

  the same place now 16 gigabytes [TS]

  can't do it anymore and I don't know I just look at some point they jump up I [TS]

  could I can [TS]

  32 I could definitely get by with 32 died after I don't think I am right now [TS]

  I think if I check I think it's somewhere in the forties my phone is [TS]

  fucked up to somewhere so I'm using upwards towards the 64 but I could do [TS]

  crap like yeah well that's out and that's I had a 32 gig 3G yes and it was [TS]

  just like you never came close but Italy during that time period I felt like I [TS]

  was looking up movies and stuff and I was watching us so I kept getting 16 gig [TS]

  phones after that and and now I finally got to the point where ok now I can get [TS]

  stuff on there you know all the stuff that I want that it really need on there [TS]

  I will I will point out before I take a final break for a third sponsor I will [TS]

  point out the obvious tension between the fact that half an hour ago we were [TS]

  singing praises of Apple's 39 percent profit margin and now we're not telling [TS]

  them that they should double doubles and blacks in every single model across the [TS]

  board [TS]

  you know somebody casting [TS]

  somebody is sitting there listening and smiling as you cannot have it both [TS]

  around 50 million pounds yeah there there there is there is a 30 percent [TS]

  sure right right and I but i feel like im looking at new my wife's getting [TS]

  close to needing a new MacBook and I'm gonna be there probably next year in and [TS]

  I just can't sanction getting a for gigabyte for big gigabytes of memory [TS]

  anymore and a hundred and twenty eight gig drive now I think [TS]

  I don't know I gotta be more than that [TS]

  well for me as I gotta go eat 256 [TS]

  you know I don't know it's like the modern web pages when you look in [TS]

  activity monitor and you see how each tab now it gets to show you how much RAM [TS]

  is using its like crazy not crazy but more than four gigabytes and it just [TS]

  seemed again we're getting old for gigabyte of RAM sounds like it still [TS]

  sounds to me magical its cuz it's the magical barrier where you need sixty [TS]

  four-bit processing for one process to address that much space and I knew about [TS]

  that limit but like you know in the nineties or even the 2008 just seemed [TS]

  like some beautiful shangri-la of the future would have that much [TS]

  meanwhile I'm paying for a megabyte memory chips with my last dollar load up [TS]

  an old girls see with sixteen megabytes of RAM and it just seems crazy than our [TS]

  saying I can I get by with for you but you know that's right some side some [TS]

  point I guess we'll be talking about [TS]

  our kids I will say this one last point about it though is that yes that's [TS]

  obviously there's some tension there between the profit margins and you know [TS]

  the RAM and flash storage every single device but on the other hand we do know [TS]

  that Tim Cook in particular and apples in this situation is very very fanatical [TS]

  about customer satisfaction and again I'm stripping John circus off your butt [TS]

  customer satisfaction is definitely tied to a ramen your device especially one or [TS]

  two years down the road so you know it's a multi take one of those three-way [TS]

  talks more like if there's one thing that maybe they did they would be [TS]

  willing to sacrifice a bit of long-term profit margin just a bit by bit of [TS]

  long-term profit margin for customer satisfaction seems like the tape the [TS]

  tradeoff that they would they would see is worth it because customer [TS]

  satisfaction is a long term investment I think I want to tell you about a brand [TS]

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  looks good on tablets and like I said an online store that you can just configure [TS]

  the dragon to go to Squarespace dot com even if you are I don't know what the [TS]

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  what we're talking about something about iPads iPhones Jimmy more ramen for free [TS]

  but it's gotta go up sometime and I feel like we're close to an inflection and [TS]

  you can tell you really can take you so you know I hate to say it but the [TS]

  devices still are everything is always start yeah you know you know you don't [TS]

  see it as much as you used to switch from one app to another and then do [TS]

  another and then you go back to Safari and your tabs have to reload because he [TS]

  had to give up a DRAM and flash dolla tabs just remembers the URLs and now [TS]

  you're in the supermarket and crummy cellular reception area and now you've [TS]

  tapped as it happens you know where is if you had double the RAM [TS]

  tablet still be there cuz you loaded it before you went to the supermarket I do [TS]

  a lot of my reading in the supermarket is there something they do into building [TS]

  a supermarket that shields like cellular I don't know if I seems like every time [TS]

  I go to the supermarket to get I get a worse connection 100 most girls I don't [TS]

  know maybe it's those shelves that they use or something like that [TS]

  quince [TS]

  absorbing the not a scientist you're not a doctor and I'm gonna sign you know [TS]

  there's something I want to customer satisfaction [TS]

  talk about and yeah I mean end he mentions that he said customer set again [TS]

  this time but they beat that drum throughout that conference call every [TS]

  single yeah well I yeah and I think that they see it as a way of of trying to [TS]

  prove scientifically [TS]

  however my to customer satisfaction survey can be held up signs but it's [TS]

  certainly better than just empty words you know that people like Apple products [TS]

  on average better than other people like peeling [TS]

  on average better than other people like peeling [TS]

  products from other companies right which is a long-term advantage it's it's [TS]

  not it's a way of saying we're not in a commodity [TS]

  you know some big portion of these markets that were in laptop computers [TS]

  tablets cell phones is commodities market but we're we're operating is not [TS]

  a commodity market and that there's a sizable demand for the nine commoditized [TS]

  products at the high end of these markets do you see do you have a lot of [TS]

  people who are people you see with Kindle Fire's now I don't see many [TS]

  Kindle Fire's I don't that might be a seattle-area thing yeah I can always [TS]

  wonder if it's just it's more the area that live in but I see when I also see [TS]

  just like a lot of people buying them as cheap tablets for their kids like they [TS]

  fix I think they sometimes people think well they think that I should get [TS]

  cheapest one because it's just for the kid and then they also think that is [TS]

  probably just gonna drop it and yeah i dont wanna dropping an iPad and that's [TS]

  interesting I wonder how the decline in Europe year iPad sales already I mean [TS]

  already I mean like in the life of the product I i think part of it is that [TS]

  people when they get a tablet or see if they keep using it they use it a lot [TS]

  longer than they use cellphone and it's more like laptop in terms of replacement [TS]

  cycle yeah I guess so [TS]

  and and be maybe you know this is a case for the iPad has become too expensive [TS]

  that maybe I don't know how many of these other know who else is selling a [TS]

  lot of tablets but you know if if people are buying them like you said like four [TS]

  kids and stuff like that let's you know a great reason to buy a $250 device [TS]

  instead of a $500 advice if you're given it to a kid who you know [TS]

  i mean you know look at the way things like a DES are constructed right game [TS]

  voice you know they're greater made to be handled by children in ways that iPad [TS]

  or not and I don't you know I don't think I better particularly fragile for [TS]

  tablets but they do have a glass screen and they're not rugged right side are [TS]

  just more expensive don't more expensive to replace right and it's not like iPad [TS]

  sales of collapsed it's just a drop but you know it just seems worrisome at a [TS]

  time when I think most of us thought that they'd still be going up just [TS]

  because more people buying their first album yeah [TS]

  it's hard and I you know I always wanna hurt when I did I find it odd that not [TS]

  everybody else does but here's an interesting customer satisfaction [TS]

  angle and and it's a long term thing is that it's a belief and I i think thats [TS]

  applies at the consumer level and at an enterprise level thing but that Apple [TS]

  has long had the knock against it that they charge per to higher prices and [TS]

  that they you know they're greedy and that they make these obscene profits and [TS]

  they charge too much for everything and that their stuff is just too expensive [TS]

  right and and some you know there are sometimes in the late nineties early two [TS]

  thousands were like you know pound-for-pound maybe the Mac was more [TS]

  comfortable Mac was more expensive than comfortable PC but especially in the [TS]

  Intel Mac era you know that's a long ago been turned around where it's like [TS]

  there's been a lot of times you know to come to to get the same spec I remember [TS]

  in the Mac Pros came out last year the new ones I guess I was earlier this year [TS]

  you know people try to configure the same type of thing from Dell and it [TS]

  wasn't gonna come in a court case I the Mac Pro and it was way more expensive [TS]

  right and and laptops to like Wilshere Apple starting laptop price is $8.99 and [TS]

  you know there's a lot of companies that sell you know 299 399 PC laptops but to [TS]

  get the same specs it actually will cost more and you get a lesser build quality [TS]

  not really fair but people have that belief and I think that when they see [TS]

  little things they they're viewed through that prism and here's an example [TS]

  I was at a family thing couple of weeks ago and somebody [TS]

  somebody's barbecuing region compared you know and somebody had mentioned and [TS]

  it wasn't in the context of hey I know you you you write about Apple it was [TS]

  just people were talking about iPhones and had nothing to do with me being [TS]

  present I was just so fly on the wall wasn't you know complain to me about it [TS]

  but it was somebody a woman who is complaining because she still had an [TS]

  iPhone 4 or for us I don't know which one but had to 30 pin adapter thing but [TS]

  her husband had just gotten a new iPhone and his game at the lightning and [TS]

  lightning adapter and she was like why did they do that it's just you know and [TS]

  she and her her perspective is that they did it only to get them to buy a whole [TS]

  bunch of $29 lightning cable and that is a ripoff but her annoyance was real in [TS]

  terms of like now like a single charger in the kitchen doesn't work for both and [TS]

  it's a short-term problem I just kept my mouth shut [TS]

  people wonder like light what is John Gruber do in that situation you know [TS]

  what I do I just picked up my beer and I keep my mouth shut and look around and [TS]

  make sure that my dad doesn't do some stupid and be like what John knows [TS]

  everything about you know I'm like ready to bolt from the chair maybe go join the [TS]

  football game or something like that I do not want to get involved I dunno I [TS]

  can explain to you now you know that is you know if they don't do it then we're [TS]

  stuck with 30 pin adapter is forever and the 30 pin adapter was actually kinda [TS]

  gross it was a weirdly unhappily type port people complained about that [TS]

  adapter for years but it was weird and has served them when they retire and [TS]

  they replaced it with port that is much better in every way than 30 pin and much [TS]

  better in every way than micro USB it's dirty it's works up and down which is [TS]

  amazing and annoys me even more and I have to deal with USB stuff now [TS]

  and you know they can either make a port that better or they can never make a new [TS]

  port and apples ways to do something better and within a few years all the [TS]

  phones that are in use and all the iPad's erroneous will all be on [TS]

  lightning and nobody will have that problem but I do understand it tonight [TS]

  but she is you know didn't had never even entered into her the discussion the [TS]

  never even occurred to her that the lightning adapter on her husband's phone [TS]

  was better [TS]

  was better that's the thing that she completely clearly did not see is [TS]

  completely messed all she could see was that it was totally different totally [TS]

  incompatible and therefore obviously a money grab and the thing that I think [TS]

  hurts Apple in that regard I don't think that's even enters Apple's mind at all I [TS]

  think whatever profits I think they do make a nice profit on $29 lightning [TS]

  adapters are $19 whatever they saw him for but I don't I don't think materially [TS]

  the day they add up to you know any significance there [TS]

  right but I do think there's a customer satisfaction angle on their experience [TS]

  better right [TS]

  well but no but that it hurts it when you use a lightning adapter it does help [TS]

  your customer satisfaction and I think it you know the only device you have [TS]

  instead it then using it instead of micro USB is why Apple's gets better [TS]

  scores but I do think there's a negative thing where people think they did this [TS]

  just 22 practically steel $29 for me like I feel like maybe it they they [TS]

  should rethink their pricing policy on things like extra doctors and their [TS]

  margins for over again said it will hurt her problem but I feel like whatever [TS]

  damage it would do their profit margins to sell things like lightning adapters [TS]

  and you know everything that they sell for $29.50 you know really drop the [TS]

  price a lot of those things and sold them closer to cost the goodwill would [TS]

  be would be more valuable than whatever it would take to their profit margins is [TS]

  my theory now again there might be some guy at apple with a spreadsheet that [TS]

  says otherwise shaking his head right round the numbers you're wrong and he [TS]

  doesn't even have an office chair he just sits on the throne of hundred [TS]

  dollar bill [TS]

  billion dollars in cash that mountain of cash for the Joker set fire to it is [TS]

  just sitting atop their accountant count and lightning adapter is green eye shade [TS]

  things [TS]

  but I do I think people have this I notion that Apple is out [TS]

  out in nickel and iron and nickel and diming it's not quite nickel and diming [TS]

  like I do think people know that they don't you don't you know I think that's [TS]

  part of the reason people are switching to Max's that you don't open your Mac [TS]

  and getting tagged to buy antivirus and stuff like that [TS]

  you open the Mac and they don't ask you to buy anything else so it's not nickel [TS]

  and diming it's it's something else but that it's you know that they're they're [TS]

  looking for money and that the stuff is way too expensive and I think also its [TS]

  may be partly because they know who to blame you know the blame Apple whereas [TS]

  in the old days it was notorious that every brand of phone had a different [TS]

  custom adapter for power and that if you lost it got on my tears after going to [TS]

  the Verizon store eat into everybody's phone and show them your phone model to [TS]

  each model yet you can just keep saying I got a Nokia UDUB like yours might here [TS]

  is my phone you know and they'd be like oh you need the Xcel 47802 be $50 they [TS]

  were crazy expensive or if you wanted to do so you know you get one if you want [TS]

  to buy a second one so you can charge your phone where you know and keep your [TS]

  other one at home they were super expensive way more expensive than apples [TS]

  but I feel like when it's your carrier doing it you just don't even think to [TS]

  complain about it cuz you know they're gonna screw where is it I think people [TS]

  feel like Apple shouldn't be screwing we had a mean we had collected so many of [TS]

  those dock connector cord that I had him lying all over the house so you could [TS]

  you could power a phone anywhere and now we're [TS]

  at Al and a low point again until a build up my inventory and somebody the [TS]

  other night just like a friend who lives up the street so they wanted to borrow [TS]

  one of those cables for a week and they can have one of mine you got an extra [TS]

  one you can give him yours but I'm not part with any of mine I like him I like [TS]

  him that much I one more thing to hear the same Ryan block and yeah I can't I [TS]

  couldn't listen to it because it just those kinds of things make me cringe I [TS]

  haven't listened to about a million for the same reason [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  but [TS]

  yeah so Ryan block and Veronica Belmont to get married couple years ago and they [TS]

  decided to cancel their Comcast service veronica was on the phone is gonna [TS]

  that's doing one for the team is calling you know that's that's one of those [TS]

  things where where when you're a couple when one of you decide I'll call Comcast [TS]

  you know you you don't have to do the dishes and I and she called just to say [TS]

  we want to cancel Comcast sir I don't know it doesn't matter I guarantee [TS]

  replacing it with FiOS or something like that but number one you know that they [TS]

  pose to know what they're doing [TS]

  co-founder of Engadget and a host of like more tech TV shows than anybody I [TS]

  know probably are making an informed decision to cancel Comcast and she just [TS]

  couldn't couldn't get the guide to cancel their service and then had to [TS]

  hand the phone over to Ryan and he started recording a call and it's just [TS]

  absurd I mean if you can take things like this usually happens you should [TS]

  just google Ryan block Veronica Belmont cancel Comcast went viral as this absurd [TS]

  the guides the guy was like why do you want slower internet and why won't you [TS]

  just cancel my service is trying to understand why you want to get slower [TS]

  internet I'm trying to understand why you won't cancel my service and it went [TS]

  on and on like 10 minutes long and end the thing that's great is it went viral [TS]

  and that is the gradual like addresses like Comcast Chief Operating Officer had [TS]

  to address it and say that it was painful to listen to this call I'm not [TS]

  surprised that we have been criticized respecting our customers is fundamental [TS]

  and we fell short this instance I know these retention cause I guess it's an [TS]

  internal memo [TS]

  public distribution is retention calls her tough and I have tremendous [TS]

  admiration for a retention professionals make it easy for customers to choose to [TS]

  stay with Comcast that's so it's actually a number of states [TS]

  forget where I read it probably the Verger someplace but didn't wrote about [TS]

  the economics behind people's jobs and basically the whole incentive [TS]

  compensation packages wrapped up in the number of people that they can convince [TS]

  to stay you know I thought that I just bought it from listening to the part of [TS]

  the caller heard that the guy was into it enough [TS]

  was clearly not just get an hour you know salary was he was invested it was a [TS]

  car salesman reversal like it's like a car salesmen [TS]

  like they're selling it all over again but it's weird because it's like and car [TS]

  salesmen I'm sure you know famous famously shady operators and then all [TS]

  sorts of tricks but it's like and I'm sure they take advantage of some people [TS]

  who come in naive or who are timid you know tough guys right but it's like if [TS]

  we were in a car dealer you and I are going out to buy a convertible to spend [TS]

  the summer road trip and we're gonna buy convertibles you and I go in and we [TS]

  don't like over here and we start walking out the door and the guy tries [TS]

  to keep us from looking at the door we're still walking out the door right [TS]

  you can just walk you know shade is a car dealers dealer can be you know you [TS]

  can just keep your feet and eventually you are out the door and you're not [TS]

  listening whereas if you are already hooked up that's the thing you're hooked [TS]

  up to auto bill Comcast $100 a month and even if you call your credit card and [TS]

  they don't pay them they're gonna put your account collection until they [TS]

  officially disconnect you [TS]

  your you signed a thing that you're sending them $100 or $150 a month you [TS]

  need them to do this and if they won't do it what what can you do this is such [TS]

  rotten double-speak and Jackie Chan had posted on Twitter that a reminder that [TS]

  and I forget the names of these services but those services that are you get [TS]

  people to do a task 300 yeah yeah you can you can actually call that was so if [TS]

  you don't want to sit on the phone with you know and it just ties right in with [TS]

  me Lincoln to the George Orwell politics and the English language to make it easy [TS]

  for customers to choose to stay with Comcast if that's not the most rotten [TS]

  doublespeak I've ever heard that is so much more evil than if he just flat out [TS]

  said to make it difficult for customers just right is it is exactly it is likes [TS]

  likes 3+3 on one side and six on the other is to make it difficult for [TS]

  customers to leave contest we have [TS]

  I do I live in Comcast country cable 10 and literally our Skype call is getting [TS]

  Creek I swear to god you can't make this up here starting this year [TS]

  I you know pat myself on the back because we have city provided [TS]

  internet service and so [TS]

  and I have to use what I do for a land line we in philadelphia have a Comcast [TS]

  provided city they literally they have the tallest skyscraper in philadelphia [TS]

  is the Comcast Center they have just bought a plot of land a block away and [TS]

  they're going to build a new tallest skyscraper your Internet should be super [TS]

  fast thanks to them building to a completely non disconnect double [TS]

  anyway but a run run run company cases this is terrible and that's it for me [TS]

  for this week though I think I did you did you talk about Microsoft laughs no i [TS]

  didnt yeah we could do that yeah homes 18,000 people over the next year but 12 [TS]

  although most don't count from new Kia now I dunno I'd hate to make jokes about [TS]

  Finland I don't wanna make jokes about last because you know there's gotta be [TS]

  somebody who's listening to the shows one of them so you know I've lost jobs [TS]

  it's not fun I tried to get laid off for years it didn't work it never happens to [TS]

  the people want to know the people deserve it [TS]

  like we're gonna have some layouts here's the list and then what about [TS]

  buyouts maybe get up to early retirements they knew I was ya hides you [TS]

  know kinda sad you know yeah you know the kind of needed as a business people [TS]

  know and it's you know it's humbling because I think it's not that many years [TS]

  ago when the idea of a Microsoft layoff [TS]

  unthinkable yeah you know and it's a reminder you know a wake up call [TS]

  everybody else you know for companies like Google and Apple and Amazon who are [TS]

  you know the big tech companies of the last decade have never had a laugh that [TS]

  you know you happen to Microsoft miracle happen anybody had layoffs but never [TS]

  like a mass layoff and it hasn't been not a modern ya ya gotta be careful [TS]

  about getting fat [TS]

  did you read Ben Thompson species on breaking Microsoft up yeah it was a good [TS]

  piece [TS]

  and i think is gonna happen no I don't think so either because I think it would [TS]

  of if that was on the table it would have happened instead of this would have [TS]

  happened may be coincident with Satya Nadella taking over you know i mean [TS]

  that's an alternate universe where that what do they do post bomber maybe his [TS]

  break it up you know whereas now I don't I don't think that they would do that I [TS]

  don't know that that is so just to recap his theory as idea is that Microsoft is [TS]

  turning into a services company so that the hardware and operating system parts [TS]

  should be [TS]

  put into a different company and [TS]

  run separately yeah it does make sense in oh and there's a certain there's a [TS]

  certain what's the word it it just doesn't make sense they're at odds with [TS]

  each other where there's a part of Microsoft that sees it as a company that [TS]

  provides software 20 ends and now there's a part of the company that sees [TS]

  itself as a friend and that's just not compatible and they can kind of yadda [TS]

  yadda yadda to make it seem like it's compatible because the revenue and [TS]

  profits are still coming in but it just does it have a common sense level it [TS]

  just doesn't make sense that they can be providing these software companies to [TS]

  make mobile devices and they're gonna make their own mobile devices without [TS]

  favoring you know and everybody is trying to it never works you know so [TS]

  Google you know it's provides offered OM's with Android and they make their [TS]

  own Android devices but very few people use Google's Android devices they've [TS]

  never really taken off you know and it's like the Nexus in some alternate world [TS]

  where the Nexus phones are huge hits that you know Samsung isn't going to be [TS]

  using Android yeah it does its work you know in like go back to the nineties [TS]

  when Apple licensed the mac OS it you know just doesn't it didn't work [TS]

  yeah so it's an interesting idea but [TS]

  I just there's too much institutional [TS]

  did you get rid of Windows now I think you know and I don't think it needs [TS]

  Windows could be run as his own division but I think that they should stop [TS]

  thinking of the Windows division as anything other than legacy just let it [TS]

  be what it is and its PC operating system in an ever shrinking market but [TS]

  that is huge and is probably going to level off like the shrinkage me know if [TS]

  I just said you then IDC for this past quarter is at the PC market shrank 2 [TS]

  percent year over year it seems like maybe the bleeding is over you know I [TS]

  think it's gonna keep doing Ling and its gonna keep dwindling in terms of the [TS]

  overall pie chart of computing devices because it's not just that smart phones [TS]

  and tablets are replacing pieces that were adding multiple devices that are [TS]

  used to be and that the share of them that are traditional PCs is getting [TS]

  smaller [TS]

  in addition to the fact that people are buying fewer actual unit of here but you [TS]

  know and I think that's the problem [TS]

  the whole basic problem with Windows 8 is trying to make this you know trying [TS]

  to please two groups that want whereas if they just made a Windows 8 that was a [TS]

  2007 here if you have a traditional laptop or a desktop PC here you go [TS]

  here's a new version of Windows better than ever and we've got another entirely [TS]

  new operating system [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  but it's weird now it's weird you know their butts his telescope memo was about [TS]

  you know we're now company that helps people get things done [TS]

  and they still have all this entertainment yeah stuff next they did [TS]

  next making TV shows [TS]

  yeah they've always has don't they still have the Xbox which does not fit into [TS]

  them and it all and I think you know I've had that thought too I've tossed [TS]

  out ideas like Netflix commissions TV shows why doesn't Apple Commission TV [TS]

  shows for Apple TV and have no new Kevin Spacey show that only on Apple TV but [TS]

  you know what their that way lies lack of focus I'm not saying Apple would [TS]

  never do that particular thing but you know they certainly can't do all of them [TS]

  you know making making TV shows was never with Microsoft is good that I have [TS]

  always found that this whole thing that these companies think that they need to [TS]

  do everything to be [TS]

  counterproductive but yeah well I do think that there's always seem that way [TS]

  to me like I was crazy in the nineties when on Microsoft started jointly with [TS]

  NBC that MSNBC so what do you do me why would you make a CNN competitor your [TS]

  Microsoft you know you know me I can see why somebody would want to make and CNN [TS]

  competitor right [TS]

  multiple people would but why would Microsoft why you know why do you feel [TS]

  like you need everything including a news channel and and you know in the [TS]

  whole thing you know now working out that I mean MSNBC define network but [TS]

  damage and Microsoft Masson in MS NBC hasn't dude reminders of that forever [TS]

  very strange we should kick sorry for us to buy microsoft I did see that there [TS]

  you know that their stocks they did quarterly results today to an aid they [TS]

  missed but only missed because of Nokia Nokia division did a little bit worse [TS]

  than expected and the stock market reacted with no reaction whatsoever [TS]

  which i think is right I don't think anybody should have been surprised by [TS]

  that right I think common sense prevails and I know before we started recording [TS]

  it looked like after hours Apple was about even to I don't know if it's all [TS]

  true but that's always kind that's getting weird like having having the [TS]

  stock market not panic after hours [TS]

  yeah it seems like that the whole whole thing is kinda turned a bit yeah same [TS]

  they seem to be a little bit more happy with what's going on display [TS]

  yeah I mean the usual the usual suspects are still being jerks but looks like [TS]

  it's nice and even taken around 94 bucks you know has been Thompson who is on the [TS]

  show the couple weeks ago and I thought you made a very keen observation I've [TS]

  never really heard before which is that the stock market rule rewards they got [TS]

  feeling that even if you screw up you being accompanied their their evaluation [TS]

  process even if you screw up you'll still be in business and that that's [TS]

  where Apple got her for years and years where there's just a word used to be [TS]

  this consensus that Apple is always on the precipice and one slip away from you [TS]

  know the whole house of cards falling under and I feel like they've you know [TS]

  none of these dire things have happened like margins collapsing of whatever [TS]

  everybody sort of gotten the idea that Apple could screw up you know like they [TS]

  could release and iPhone 6 that is not that popular and they are not going to [TS]

  go under you know they could have the next I you know the next Mac you come [TS]

  out and you know will be good would be good news but it's not going to you know [TS]

  it's a house of cards it's gonna fall down to study foundation and only take [TS]

  them [TS]

  thirty-five years to slow learners [TS]

  all right john wants thank you for joining me people can find to get more [TS]

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  website dot net the correct that is correct very nice website done for the [TS]

  foremost wants treatment you've got I'm gonna turn this car around turning the [TS]

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  there's John Armstrong and Lex Friedman Lex Friedman that said I was a tip of my [TS]

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  users that just used the last message I was gonna be late for the show it as [TS]

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