0:00:02the entire little number 238 mar 2015
0:00:13welcome back to part two of the
0:00:15incomparable drive-by shooting of star
0:00:19wars episode III Revenge of the Sith i'm
0:00:23your host Jason Snell this is part two
0:00:25part 1 was last week if you hadn't
0:00:27listened part1 yet you should because
0:00:29you're missing our hour-and-a-half where
0:00:31we talked about barely passed the crawl
0:00:33but we've got the rest of the movie our
0:00:36last of the prequel trilogy ready to go
0:00:40my guests are Dan Morgan John siracusa
0:00:43serenity Caldwell Steve let's and andy
0:00:46and not coming can we pause on the like
0:00:48the kitchen stuff kazoo please callprice
0:00:50proper name
0:00:51zoom zoom that's not a name and let's
0:00:54talk about the the next Palpatine Anakin
0:00:57scene which work that because that is
0:00:59the one actually for me that's the
0:01:02that's the scene in the movie that I
0:01:03actually love where Anakin finds out
0:01:07that Palpatine is a Sith Lord and that's
0:01:09that's the only moment of betrayal that
0:01:12sort of feels real and feels true all I
0:01:15don't understand why he doesn't
0:01:16immediately just you know put them in
0:01:18shackles and walks away but don't you
0:01:20feel like it's the scene is the scene
0:01:22from the wrong trousers the boss and
0:01:23ground we were faster or takes out the
0:01:25rubber glove and and walls because I got
0:01:27it daddy we have so you wanna sit Lord
0:01:30but yes you'd like anna has the last one
0:01:32of the galaxy to figure that out
0:01:34no no one else in the galaxy is figured
0:01:36just the audio well they should have
0:01:38everybody should know else because
0:01:40everybody's been hoodwinked can you tell
0:01:42i'm a Sith Lord now how about now back
0:01:44now how about now haha
0:01:47there could be such a good rifftrax
0:01:48version of the scene that we could make
0:01:50but I really do feel like there are
0:01:52again it's the scene itself is not
0:01:54perfect but there are elements to the
0:01:58the way that he slowly kind of spins out
0:02:00who he is when he talks about Padme and
0:02:03we talked about there are things that
0:02:04can be done and again really praying on
0:02:07his trust to the point where Anakin is
0:02:09legitimately legitimately like holy crap
0:02:12you're crazy person
0:02:13why have I been listening to you your
0:02:15your horrible any I must inform the Jedi
0:02:17Council you know I'm i feel horribly
0:02:20betrayed like this is it again a scene
0:02:23from an alternate movie a much better
0:02:25movie where
0:02:26Palpatine is his mentor and his idol and
0:02:29then all of a sudden Palpatine basically
0:02:31in a in a way to try and help him and
0:02:34pull him over to his worldview kind of
0:02:36reveals too much his hand Anakin's like
0:02:38whoa ok you know you've made my decision
0:02:41a lot easier i'm gonna go to the Jedi
0:02:43Council now like that that pulled me
0:02:45into the movie and then of course the
0:02:46whole Jedi Council saying is done
0:02:48because a UH mechanical sensors yeah
0:02:52they have good they have hologram google
0:02:53hangouts though that's well i'm curious
0:02:56what if you're going to check in
0:02:57remotely to the Jedi Council do you have
0:02:59to sit in a similar chair in order to
0:03:00generate or just hollow skype
0:03:03automatically more for you into a proper
0:03:04comfortably seated position no that's
0:03:06not what I started to give you something
0:03:08like are they sitting in your same the
0:03:10hologram is a filter are in the chairs
0:03:13that's how it works is this is this just
0:03:15like this that chat cam is fitted with
0:03:17microsoft hololens like they're not
0:03:18actually there
0:03:20yeah that was not very nice at the
0:03:22wookies procured a yoda sized hollow
0:03:24chairs they did well he know his people
0:03:26bring that along with him
0:03:28grotius in his little almond shaped
0:03:30spaceship yes
0:03:31incidentally my favorite my favorite
0:03:33quote from that second Anakin Palpatine
0:03:35is i think is that where he says you
0:03:37know that dark side and my first thought
0:03:39was yeah i'm at once or twice you know
0:03:40in a bar
0:03:41nothing serious maybe you've heard of it
0:03:43how does it work I'm a relief carving in
0:03:45the background of that they're like this
0:03:47another and another setting with it like
0:03:48the opposite staging i thought was
0:03:50interesting and so was them having this
0:03:52confrontation little Dan front of that
0:03:54in front of that carving the that this
0:03:57that's actually the scene where I wrote
0:03:58down the McDermott is pretty good but my
0:04:00problem with its ready you're exactly
0:04:02right that the issue isn't with the
0:04:03scene
0:04:04the issue is with you have not earned
0:04:06that scene yet because because what we
0:04:09want to see is Anakin feet feeling like
0:04:12he trusts that the Chancellor and that
0:04:14and that when he reveals to him that
0:04:16he's a Sith Lord he already knows he's
0:04:18come along
0:04:19he's completely bought in instead of it
0:04:21being like he's kind of a bumpkin who
0:04:23needs to figure it out he should be with
0:04:25him there and you need for him to want
0:04:27something you need to i want something
0:04:29impossible and believable for this big
0:04:30notion like I had a dream a couple
0:04:32seasons ago now
0:04:32but totally convinced my wife is gonna
0:04:34die and I'm also totally convinced the
0:04:35only way I can stop her from dying is
0:04:37going to the dark side and killing
0:04:38children like this is nonsensical like
0:04:40it doesn't
0:04:41there is nothing he wants I want to
0:04:42believe that he has been truly would and
0:04:44he is a full-on believer in the cause
0:04:47here and not that he's using it as a
0:04:48means to an end and that's what it is
0:04:50I i just think that it's so it will be
0:04:52so much stronger if even the audience is
0:04:55now sort of questioning that she would
0:04:57we've always our opinion of the Jedi has
0:05:00been formed based on the Holy trilogy
0:05:02these two Jedi that we're familiar with
0:05:04that are very very good people
0:05:06what if like the rest of them are kind
0:05:08of jerks that they that they sort of
0:05:10came up from it would be so much easier
0:05:11and so much more interesting as the
0:05:13audience if it were like and Anakin is
0:05:16like a conservative Democrat Palpatine
0:05:18is it considered I'm sorry's of moderate
0:05:20Democrat Party is a moderate Republican
0:05:22where it is so easy to simply say that
0:05:26to make that little ships well you know
0:05:28these people have but the the people on
0:05:30the other end of the aisle have been
0:05:31demonized in my mind for so long
0:05:33actually now that I understand this one
0:05:35person and his point of view
0:05:37maybe I should be or maybe I should be a
0:05:39city instead of a Jedi and make us in
0:05:42the audience think you know actually the
0:05:44Jedi are kind of being jerks in that
0:05:46they're still kind of unfocused and what
0:05:47they're doing in love i love that you
0:05:49used a political metaphor there and
0:05:51because that's perfect i can hear
0:05:52Palpatine saying please and can caucus
0:05:54with my partner is a half cab and we
0:05:58think that single pads doomed to fail
0:06:01it's supposed to be politics in the
0:06:02movie anyway yeah exactly use a metaphor
0:06:04to explain it because it's so far
0:06:06distant from actual politics that's what
0:06:08it's actually supposed to be it's
0:06:09supposed to actually ioa clearly see my
0:06:11way this is a perfect place for the
0:06:13worth of the use of death panels and yet
0:06:15nobody even once
0:06:16what what what I actually went to the
0:06:18with the death panels of one of this
0:06:20lightsaber could not cut through that
0:06:21we're talking there those are ratios
0:06:23close though ratio and I must go now i
0:06:26am about to do a filibuster and I will
0:06:30be back now he's gotta go back into his
0:06:32office and call people for money for
0:06:33nothing bro
0:06:34disclosure i will be back I've got to
0:06:36jc's pancake breakfast I actually feel
0:06:40that it's okay that he's not wounded in
0:06:43this scene i actually I like the fact
0:06:45that Anakin is like I've bought into so
0:06:48much of your bullshit and now that you
0:06:50know now that you're actually pulling
0:06:52back your your your hood so to speak
0:06:55I'm actually horrified i like that you
0:06:58know he's he's antagonistic is like I I
0:07:01want to kill you I I need to like this
0:07:04is this is awful i need to go away i
0:07:06need some time to think because the
0:07:08again that there's a scene in this movie
0:07:10that almost works and doesn't as for
0:07:14tiny tiny fraction of a second but
0:07:16Palpatine is even playing here because
0:07:17Papa Gino's this is going to be as
0:07:19reaction wants him to go back yet go
0:07:21back to the Jedi and set like it's he's
0:07:23setting up the next scene which has its
0:07:24own major problems but he is setting up
0:07:26well the next the next scene does have
0:07:28its major problems but this is the again
0:07:30the the fantasy arc that i want for
0:07:32Anakin worries like i trust Palpatine
0:07:34Palpatine's betrayed me
0:07:36I'm going to the Jedi Council I've given
0:07:38this information to mace window
0:07:39he's doing this you know he's doing this
0:07:41and while he's doing this I start to get
0:07:43doubts because oh god you know maybe
0:07:46they'll kill him he's you know he is my
0:07:49father figure I should be there and then
0:07:52on top of that i have this worried about
0:07:53my wife and then you have him basically
0:07:56they're witnessing mace basically
0:07:59threatening to do what he was afraid of
0:08:01and in impure in anger in shock and like
0:08:05in I don't know what to do he ends up
0:08:08killing one of the greatest Jedi Masters
0:08:10alive
0:08:11that's the interesting thing though it's
0:08:13like if if you want to build that like
0:08:15in my in my fantasy universe and it can
0:08:18swap to the dark side is basically his
0:08:20complete and utter horror at i have
0:08:23fought like in a in a freak reaction
0:08:26I've given up all of my dread I training
0:08:28by killing this person and now i have i
0:08:30have sunk to the very lowest of the low
0:08:32and i don't know what to do with myself
0:08:34and I'm I'm completely shattered human
0:08:37being
0:08:37emergent over the line and now there's
0:08:39no way back exactly there
0:08:40the Jedi Council could never take me
0:08:42back what would ob1 think of me I have
0:08:44no what like what would Padme think of
0:08:46me I I
0:08:47don't know what to do i'm like if that
0:08:50is that is what i want and you get you
0:08:52get hints of it here in there you get
0:08:54hints of it in the previous scene and
0:08:55you get hints of it in the mace windu
0:08:57scene but then it all goes crazy because
0:08:59then he's like all right now I am upon i
0:09:01Ave you master forever i will be dark
0:09:04dark vader like it's bought it swaps way
0:09:06to lose weight too quickly but that's
0:09:07the movie i want but even the character
0:09:10came out of that you that was the movie
0:09:11that was there like the darth vader that
0:09:13came out of that it's like I've now gone
0:09:15too far I've made this terrible mistake
0:09:17and the Jedi will never take me back so
0:09:18I'm forced to go to the side that is not
0:09:20the the invader from a new hope you have
0:09:23a new hope is confident with it that
0:09:25he's doing what is necessary like he's a
0:09:28company man he is not like I've made a
0:09:30terrible mistake anam an outcast and I
0:09:31have to hang out with these losers he
0:09:33doesn't regret you know this is why you
0:09:35know so as long as we're talking fantasy
0:09:36versus this is this is why in my version
0:09:38of this i want to see the story where
0:09:41you actually split this into and you do
0:09:43the fall of Anakin Skywalker as you're
0:09:45doing the rise of darth vader darth
0:09:47vader operating from the shadows no one
0:09:49knows who this new Sith apprentices and
0:09:51you can actually do that in such a way
0:09:53that you can kind of maintain the the
0:09:55big reveal in Empire Strikes Back at
0:09:57that point because if you believe that
0:09:59the end of this movie not to get too far
0:10:01ahead in the third act but if you
0:10:02believe at the end of this movie that
0:10:03obi-wan is essentially let Anakin
0:10:05Skywalker died and that you know most
0:10:07people are in the dark as to Anakin
0:10:09Skywalker is Darth Vader there's still
0:10:11compelling interesting story to be told
0:10:13there and we have an interesting reveal
0:10:14later on where you know we think you
0:10:17know it's kind of a double fake out
0:10:19because if we think that obi-wan is
0:10:20essentially caused Anakin Skywalker to
0:10:22die then we're watching you know
0:10:24episodes of four and five with this
0:10:25whole different mindset like oh my god
0:10:27obi-wan is lying to him about Darth
0:10:28Vader killing his dad because actually
0:10:30it was only one who killed his dad so
0:10:32it's kind of like makes a great red
0:10:34herring track there and I think you know
0:10:36by having this as John pointed out you
0:10:37know Darth Vader supposed to be a
0:10:38willing participant in this so this
0:10:41doesn't really sell in some way but if
0:10:42you have the idea instead that the
0:10:43Emperor's trying to sort of extend his
0:10:45tendrils throughout it's entirely
0:10:47plausible that you would he's got like
0:10:48you know we've already seen three or
0:10:50four different apprentices for him right
0:10:51so you know if we've already got this
0:10:53idea that maybe he would have developed
0:10:55you know Anakin and sort of slowly
0:10:56rather than having this cataclysmic
0:10:58event
0:10:59during the rise of Darth Vader with the
0:11:00fall of the republic if Vader is sort of
0:11:02like seduced over before then and we
0:11:05sort of see him you know appearing in
0:11:07the armor or in like a mask or something
0:11:09that be straight trying to conceal his
0:11:11identity and maintain this dual life and
0:11:13feeling maybe you know not necessarily
0:11:15conflicted but essentially trying to
0:11:17hide from his wife and his friend what
0:11:19he is doing even though he believes it
0:11:20to be something that he needs to do like
0:11:22I think there's a far more compelling
0:11:23story there but that doesn't exist
0:11:26I think that would be really interesting
0:11:27with the exception of I don't think that
0:11:29he would ever kill children in that all
0:11:31that that's a whole separate yet seen is
0:11:33pointless property and cycling through
0:11:35Sith Lords like that's kind of like a
0:11:36running gag in his mouth yeah he goes on
0:11:39too many sick days but he can't make him
0:11:40stay
0:11:41that's that's something that I really
0:11:43wondered about because is this a case of
0:11:45musical chairs where Darth Vader became
0:11:47is the Emperor's right hand for 30 years
0:11:49simply because he was told he was the
0:11:51one left standing when he thought I'll
0:11:53or was laying down for an hour or was it
0:11:56or was it because Palpatine actually saw
0:11:59something in Anakin that he actually
0:12:02liked and respected saying that there's
0:12:04something I'm going to trust to be my
0:12:06again my fist throughout the galaxy
0:12:09this is the guy that I really want by my
0:12:11side when you finally going to discuss
0:12:13your legs guys the biggest dope this bit
0:12:15of the biggest cornhusk I've ever seen
0:12:17I've listed the issue right is that is
0:12:19that the the prequel trilogy Anakin you
0:12:22think Palpatine chosen because he's a
0:12:24convenient sucker
0:12:26whereas the original trilogy Darth Vader
0:12:28you think oh well he's the right hand
0:12:31because he's a he's a badass right but
0:12:33they don't connect they don't and like
0:12:35the whole idea is that the city like it
0:12:36it's the dynamically this presented the
0:12:38movies should be like that it's the
0:12:40strongest one and he also picks a strong
0:12:42as one and the other strong one
0:12:43eventually overthrows that one like the
0:12:45cycle repeats like it's you're trying to
0:12:46breed stronger and stronger since you're
0:12:48never going to pick a soccer because
0:12:50like why would you pick a sucker and
0:12:51went because you would always want the
0:12:53super powerful one and he has two he has
0:12:55to believe in the cause he has to be
0:12:58willing to like there can't be any the
0:13:00whole you know there is no conflict with
0:13:01the only time this there should be
0:13:03conflict invaders at the very end when
0:13:04Luke regimes and everybody's up that
0:13:06baby's got to be totally convinced of
0:13:07what he's doing is the right thing and
0:13:09you know
0:13:10it was kind of a shame when his wife
0:13:12died or was killed or however you want
0:13:14to happen but this is what the Galaxy
0:13:16needs like a dress that might address on
0:13:18this moment other than that you know if
0:13:20we go with the I create I created you
0:13:22using midi-chlorians you're my perfect
0:13:25you should be disappointed I created you
0:13:27and yours three dom medical reasons
0:13:29don't work i picked a random slave woman
0:13:32on Tatooine why I don't know the
0:13:34universe makes those joy is I created
0:13:36you and I wanted Michael but I got
0:13:38freedom I created you and I cannot
0:13:39create you
0:13:40let's go back to the real movie and I'm
0:13:43your only witness a fantasy movie we're
0:13:44gonna go back we're gonna go to Kashi
0:13:46core as we like to call it kazoo kazoo
0:13:48my the wookies are there my kids were
0:13:51watching at this point in there like AI
0:13:52remember this level from lego star wars
0:13:54so there's that
0:13:55it's now been at this point nearly 30
0:13:57minutes without a damn thing happening
0:13:59in the movie now and Steve to your point
0:14:01my note says 45 minutes in what is
0:14:03happening nothing is happening but then
0:14:05something happens for about 30 seconds
0:14:07and then nothing happens again yeah I
0:14:08think it's a really clever idea I i
0:14:10suspect that they are invading keshiki
0:14:13Ron life day because they're going to
0:14:14cash-strapped school keys off guard
0:14:17there is a big tree back in the
0:14:18background looks like it could be
0:14:19Chewbacca's tree it's possible we hear a
0:14:22really super cheesy Tarzan sound felt
0:14:25like that's the worst thing in the movie
0:14:26another riff 2 episode 6 which in that
0:14:30case yes also still kind of a dump truck
0:14:32super cheesy and we want talk to some
0:14:36clothes and takes off and yeah General
0:14:40Grievous is there at my notes at this
0:14:42point break down to this is all just
0:14:44nonsensical we show up but everything
0:14:46that happens in this movie is we show up
0:14:48at a random planet and then there's a
0:14:50plot thread and a fight that you have
0:14:53that you got the work is all behind
0:14:54their barrier and then once the thing
0:14:55start laying on the beach they'll jump
0:14:56over the barrier and then run down the
0:14:58beach to be shot at yeah I really like
0:15:00that uh obi-wan decides he needs to be
0:15:02really sneaky and so his choice get some
0:15:04reason to do that is to get on a giant
0:15:05list her rocker how ya feelin no
0:15:07senators yes John and I have the same
0:15:09notes it's a giant lizard that makes a
0:15:11loud high-pitched north and after if
0:15:14you're gonna spy on people are you
0:15:17losers feathers your pad my ride that
0:15:19desert my follow-up notice seems like a
0:15:21dumb plan obi-wan I like that the stupid
0:15:23Trade Federation guys are around
0:15:25actually sort of i was like oh yeah
0:15:27those guide nute Gunray alright remember
0:15:30when you thought he was going to be
0:15:31really important i like when obi-wan
0:15:32drops the big thing on and smooches the
0:15:34droids I thought that was I thought that
0:15:36was okay
0:15:37General Grievous gets his this is the
0:15:38most awesome christmas toy every moment
0:15:40where he's got the forearms and the spin
0:15:43light sabers i wrote down he seems
0:15:44Grievous seems like a little kids idea
0:15:47like you know what would be awesome if
0:15:48it is a robot with foodstuffs entire
0:15:51trilogy jumps into a little car wheel
0:15:54and spins around the world and the
0:15:55Condor wheel has legs also my favorite
0:15:58part of that fight is the bit where
0:15:59they're fighting on the random platform
0:16:01with the uShip in the back like the
0:16:03Starfighter there which is expressly set
0:16:05up so that when obi-wan has to escape
0:16:07later there's a Starfighter that he
0:16:09knows exists also bangs head on once i
0:16:11think for some reason pinhead shows up
0:16:14in this movie at this point yes meet
0:16:16obi-wan on he's got the same robe he's
0:16:18got the same head and everything I did
0:16:20like that i noticed this time around
0:16:21having watched this and again watching
0:16:24Star Wars rebels in like oh it's the
0:16:25same races the Inquisitor and sure
0:16:27enough it's i sent a plot to destroy the
0:16:29Jedi that is the worst line in this
0:16:31movie I'm gonna put that one
0:16:33I'm sorry there are a lot of bad lungs
0:16:34but like I i I'd the worst line has yet
0:16:36to call the worst line is at the end it
0:16:38someone gave him pages to the script
0:16:39there's like is if I flip ahead few
0:16:41pages i sense a plot to destroy the Jedi
0:16:43so we do see nute Gunray again at this
0:16:45point of all the freakin characters to
0:16:47last through all three pre I know what I
0:16:49was happy to see nute Gunray honestly
0:16:51not Darth Maul but nope nute Gunray he's
0:16:54the guy you remove you remember him from
0:16:56that terrible first scene of the
0:16:57terrible first movie is so terrible
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0:18:31ok let's resume the beating of Star Wars
0:18:34had a couple comments of the obi-wan
0:18:36Grievous fight one that obi-wan is dumb
0:18:38enough to try and box him which seems
0:18:40really dumb idea when any metal well
0:18:42they do show him kicking him and hurting
0:18:44a shin so i gave the arms up to that to
0:18:46his bad robot designed to have your
0:18:48heart only protected by a couple panels
0:18:49and not like you know a solid light box
0:18:52made out of carbonite but i do think
0:18:54that his death is kind of cool and I do
0:18:56like that obi-wan shoot him with our
0:18:58last er yeah i gotta dig that will be
0:19:00one spends a lot of time hanging off the
0:19:02edge of things and its really good guys
0:19:04I guess it's barely on his feet
0:19:06the the really depressing thing about
0:19:08this fight is like for lightsabers
0:19:10should be a really freaking cool fight
0:19:13like it really should
0:19:14well I cool when he first deploys it
0:19:16well it is except for the fact that then
0:19:18anything moves so fast yeah and isn't
0:19:21again the medium the medium to close
0:19:23shot that you can't tell what the heck's
0:19:25going on it's just light everywhere
0:19:28there's light and not actually fighting
0:19:30or choreography or interesting
0:19:33yeah can like we're terrible
0:19:35choreography someone online told me as
0:19:36like as I was watching this and tweeting
0:19:38about it someone like episode one has
0:19:39the best fight scenes I'm like you know
0:19:40what
0:19:40that's true it has much better fighter
0:19:42than any of the rest of the movies
0:19:44well I don't know where their stunt
0:19:45coordinator went but like yeah
0:19:47apparently they it was rape
0:19:48unfortunately when they cut our
0:19:49townhouse
0:19:50they also car trailer park in half and
0:19:52he's like nope can't work for you guys
0:19:53anymore sorry we have another instance
0:19:55here of obi-wan dropping his freaking
0:19:57lightsaber again ya feel it mr. said yes
0:20:01the wii remote strap but he does have
0:20:03the he that allows him to shoot groups
0:20:06with a blaster which is it is a kind of
0:20:08cool moment because that's the a han
0:20:09Solo away thousands of multiple times in
0:20:12the chest and road flare shoot out of
0:20:15his eyes
0:20:16yep it's clear that he has no longer at
0:20:18this point so why he's coughing I still
0:20:20don't know our IP general his weak point
0:20:23the lines so uncivilized got a half
0:20:26laughs out of me
0:20:26yeah i mean it never was ok but you know
0:20:30I get I think I that that fight scene is
0:20:32final but we don't really care that much
0:20:33about Grievous we do kind of care but we
0:20:35want because you're Gregory abused him
0:20:37with some sense of humanity a little
0:20:40charm
0:20:40yeah okay so the Jedi come to get
0:20:46Palpatine and this is a fight that I
0:20:50think I think John you talk about this
0:20:52on the talk show this is this is a fight
0:20:54where Russian many Jedi died very very
0:20:57very quickly and then there's a battle
0:21:01between Mace Windu and and Papa team i
0:21:04want to point out my my biggest beef
0:21:06with this entire movie starts here and
0:21:10that is that from this point on which is
0:21:12it at one hour and eight minutes right
0:21:13at the end of the grievous battle not a
0:21:15single positive thing happens in this
0:21:17film it is just relentlessly bleak
0:21:20there's there's nothing fun whatsoever
0:21:22there is no minor victories there's no
0:21:24comic relief not even of the you know we
0:21:27don't even have money or sutra do dat
0:21:29no Monica its there's nothing in it it
0:21:32seems like you know the chips were down
0:21:34an empire for a lot of it but there were
0:21:35still these little minor victories and
0:21:37there's that you know the escape from
0:21:38best been and all that stuff going on
0:21:41there are people to root for those Steve
0:21:43that's the thing there's someone to root
0:21:44for and hope that they survive in this
0:21:45case who do you want to survive that
0:21:47should lessen the pain not not make it
0:21:49worse haha but the fact is i mean even
0:21:51though i don't care about these people I
0:21:53still I just dread watching the rest of
0:21:55this movie because nothing good is going
0:21:57to happen it's just going to be crap
0:21:58fest after crapfest and you know it's
0:22:02just that's not what i wanted my happy
0:22:04funtime space adventure movie I i have
0:22:06to say the scene where Anakin tells mace
0:22:08windu i just learned a terrible truth a
0:22:10terrible line i expect them to break
0:22:13into song a little bit did mace windu
0:22:15seems really unsurprised by like a crap
0:22:17Molly better go arrest him and I wanted
0:22:19to samuel jackson be like mother that's
0:22:22right but he doesn't seem like he knows
0:22:25what to do with this rolls it's like
0:22:26that it's likely out they cast Sam
0:22:28Jackson and I asked him to act out of
0:22:30character be not Sam Jackson for this
0:22:32review please be anybody but Samuel
0:22:34Jackson will put you in the movie
0:22:35because you want to be in star wars but
0:22:37we're not going to let you be will give
0:22:39you a great fight scene at the end but
0:22:40you're gonna shave your eyebrows and
0:22:42make you say has some range if you've
0:22:44seen him another dramatic roles he has
0:22:45rain she can be downtrodden he could be
0:22:47he could become he could be some he's
0:22:49better as Nick Fury thousand allowed
0:22:51John he's better in the capital one card
0:22:53commercial but this was very I think it
0:22:57was very much riffing on with buzzes was
0:22:59his role in the jackie brown before this
0:23:02are after this because I'd really think
0:23:04that's the most similar character to
0:23:05what he was doing his mace windu that's
0:23:07the guy who mourn for they will
0:23:08definitely be a blow your head off or
0:23:10cut you're cut your lightsaber arm off
0:23:12but will also like will stop and think
0:23:15and figure things out
0:23:16he doesn't think very hard he says
0:23:18things like it's really dangerous to put
0:23:19Anakin and Palpatine together mere
0:23:22seconds after he's just done it
0:23:24yeah well though don't play myspace
0:23:27window for the words that he was forced
0:23:29to say that but by contract once again
0:23:32the the Emperor betters window fight is
0:23:34also really terrible it's it's very slow
0:23:38and ponderous in some ways and there's a
0:23:40huge reliance on the in McDermott's
0:23:42w-why jumping and flipping all over the
0:23:44place never doesn't look stupid like any
0:23:48scene where any of the Jedi do that like
0:23:50with Christopher Lee Orion McDermott
0:23:52anyone know you're not able to do that
0:23:54and yet it has to do the like jumping
0:23:57around and barrel rolling and spinning
0:23:58it's like it never looks good
0:24:01it's a crappy fight we should have
0:24:02desperately trying to get the high
0:24:04ground down
0:24:04yeah so that's a question that came up
0:24:07on the talk show about the scene as the
0:24:09essential question is is palpitating
0:24:10sandbag is he intentionally could he
0:24:13have killed mace windu easily yeah but
0:24:15worse than forced himself to now I don't
0:24:17think that's clear from the movie i
0:24:19don't think it's entirely clear because
0:24:20Mace Windu is put up is kind of like the
0:24:22most powerful Jedi and he you know it's
0:24:25unstoppable or whatever and you know it
0:24:27is is this gambit by palpating to say
0:24:30I'm gonna make it look like I'm about to
0:24:31die when really I'm not just for us
0:24:33Anakin to kill makes to bring over my
0:24:34side or was helping actually a little
0:24:38bit overwhelmed actually need and can to
0:24:40save him but knew that he would I think
0:24:41public is terrible acting answers that
0:24:43question ago
0:24:44oh I'm so we have to really soon we get
0:24:47that in that point he looks like he's
0:24:49sandbagging but all the previous points
0:24:50it looks like you're being legitimately
0:24:52beaten and if Anakin wasn't there to
0:24:54save you and like and then of course the
0:24:56problematic bars that may sighs I know
0:24:58we've got to kill him despite the fact
0:25:00that i totally don't do that you have to
0:25:02do it for purposes of the plot so you'll
0:25:03kill me whatever well because he is so
0:25:05powerful that I don't think I'll ever
0:25:07have command came killed the guy 20
0:25:09minutes ago
0:25:10my argument is that is that Palpatine is
0:25:12trying to stay clean and beat Windu with
0:25:15lightsabers and all that and then in the
0:25:17end he get he uses the force lightning
0:25:19and gets all super wrinkly and goes like
0:25:21he taps the final thing he needs is
0:25:23always been standing part is like well
0:25:25if he was if he was sandbagging why
0:25:27would he have ruined his face that badly
0:25:29she's like okay that never makes sense
0:25:31to me anyways there's no explanation of
0:25:33what causes that's little to make him
0:25:35look like he does in the other movie yes
0:25:37I know
0:25:37so Tom yeah I'm all wrinkly now but
0:25:40that's oh I it was just an injury that
0:25:42but was it that's what that's why I
0:25:44think he wasn't sandbagging because you
0:25:45wouldn't let that happen to you but
0:25:46basically the bottom line is i think its
0:25:48poor moving making that we can't tell
0:25:50what the clearly intention was
0:25:53with sandbags when Anakin walks in and
0:25:55this car and has conned by the Emperor
0:25:57into believing that this is a terrible
0:25:58Jedi plot does he miss the like pile of
0:26:01dead Jedi bodies events in the entryway
0:26:04criticism a skilled them to businesses
0:26:07just got nuts now he's killing
0:26:08everything that's a terrible Jedi plot
0:26:10but if the Jedi have come to assassinate
0:26:11him he's probably gonna fight back
0:26:13no it's a terrible Jedi plot in the
0:26:14sense that it's just a really bad plan
0:26:16why did he bring the worst three idiot
0:26:18Jedi with him to take hunt Appetit those
0:26:21guys go down so fast what those whose
0:26:23available Jedi just stand there and get
0:26:25stabbed yeah the rest of my Holograms
0:26:27did you Jedi are supposed to have some
0:26:29level of like danger sense right it
0:26:31might be able to tell when battle craps
0:26:33about to happen not in this case where
0:26:34they all get some merrily despatched the
0:26:36poor Jenna to get killed on the flower
0:26:38planet she just raises her arms in the
0:26:40air and he has to the ground it's like
0:26:41the worst death ever on these three guys
0:26:44are supposed to be like Windows guard
0:26:46and they go down like the the battle
0:26:47droids know they like that the enemies
0:26:50in a ninja movies like a one-at-a-time
0:26:51they just throw themselves onto the in
0:26:53yours their minions the only have one
0:26:55hit point oh that's okay just go right
0:26:57down there have been only one of them
0:26:59then i will say that this scene makes me
0:27:02sad because it again out so much stuff
0:27:04that's like brought in from the baggage
0:27:06of the clone wars series but there are
0:27:07characters here that i actually grew to
0:27:10give a quick give a crap about because
0:27:12of the clone war series like the most
0:27:14damning thing to me in this entire thing
0:27:15is when you know obi-wan's clone buddy
0:27:18Cody tried to have me killed and
0:27:20Commander Cody is a great character in
0:27:22the series was like steadfast and always
0:27:24by his side and like the scenes the
0:27:26clone more episodes that deal with the
0:27:27whole like loans being programmed to
0:27:29essentially accept this order and kill
0:27:31Jedi is super creepy and done really
0:27:34well because to in those cases it's
0:27:36always like they're sort of fighting
0:27:38against it and they don't realize that
0:27:39they've been programmed for this one it
0:27:41just seems like they knew all along and
0:27:42their back pocket like up time to shoot
0:27:44this guy the clones are characterized at
0:27:46all in this entire previous series like
0:27:48their characters in the clone war CD
0:27:50series and this is what Roy they were
0:27:52Stormtroopers they might as well have
0:27:53their helmet on because they look at
0:27:54them and they're not really characters
0:27:55anyway so just the morning father I mean
0:27:57I think Lucas was afraid to make
0:27:59characters that would die that people
0:28:00would be worried about right like story
0:28:02several little kids but Master Yoda
0:28:06yeah mine somewhere between episode 2
0:28:07and three coon guys to poor bloke une I
0:28:10loved him so
0:28:11Mace Windu dies and we get the crowning
0:28:14of of Darth Vader that you shall be
0:28:16known as let me check my relatives they
0:28:19did not maybe it was coming up we just
0:28:21had Darth Darth wacky white names
0:28:23haven't used yet dot fuzzy socks i was
0:28:26literally gone in alphabetical order em
0:28:29all
0:28:29torana sabado yes that when I really
0:28:32liked that was going to be for my third
0:28:33child when we have darker anus but I
0:28:35think we'll skip that go good to the
0:28:37Jedi Temple do what must be done lord
0:28:39Vader and this is what I wrote in my
0:28:41notes are that are we now to believe
0:28:44that his visions of POD maze death might
0:28:47actually just be fake put in his mind by
0:28:50Palpatine because he seems to do it all
0:28:53because of POD may so that would be I
0:28:57just saying maybe that's the one that
0:28:59that's another in a better movie like
0:29:01this is exactly so I am so proud every
0:29:03time I and every time I'm watching this
0:29:05movie and I'm thinking always this of
0:29:08sophisticated isn't the subtle and then
0:29:10I think of no this is not the now I've
0:29:12seen the thing that was on this movie
0:29:14this is not the fingerprint of someone
0:29:15who's thinking that people also please
0:29:17execute order 66 I've given you a list
0:29:20of orders from 1 to 60 61 being the best
0:29:2366 being the most evil order 65 was just
0:29:26to get him lunch
0:29:27they're not really in priority order
0:29:28don't forget 57 which is to pick up my
0:29:31spike business but it's interesting that
0:29:34he only has to say execute order 66 to
0:29:37like one-third of the clones and the
0:29:39rest of them you know the lead clone can
0:29:41just turn them in knot and they know
0:29:42exactly what ya don't ya lol but has a
0:29:44secret program oh yeah
0:29:46420 so here's here's where it becomes
0:29:48even dumber that the stormtroopers are
0:29:50apparently clones because it's clear
0:29:51here that these clones can actually hit
0:29:53somebody with a blaster
0:29:54yeah well they call them off django fat
0:29:57and should be able to get something the
0:29:59other fields that there's something bad
0:30:01going on and he stopped something never
0:30:02trust clones that's the lesson we've
0:30:04learned here never trust a clown yet
0:30:06jodoli says danger sense it's not so
0:30:08easy to just walk up and kill you too
0:30:09apparently ok so that was my to board my
0:30:11to notice about this one of them is how
0:30:13do none of the Jedi survived except Yoda
0:30:15nobody won all the rest of the world
0:30:17that bad
0:30:18they're terrible you know why would they
0:30:19are made to look they're made to look
0:30:21incompetent these characters you know
0:30:22who are like sitting around the joint
0:30:24account let's remember this this is sort
0:30:26of proven false because they they have
0:30:28this whole like actions quote actual
0:30:30quote sequence which they got to get
0:30:32back into the temple to turn on the
0:30:33budget to modify the beacon so its
0:30:35warning Jedi not to come not to come
0:30:37back
0:30:38which kind of indicates that they know
0:30:40there are others out there and just
0:30:41whatever whatever it is we're with tear
0:30:44up your membership cards definitely
0:30:45gonna be no more meetings can stop
0:30:48making lightsabers to pick up a pickup
0:30:50farm implements you are now in the
0:30:52you're now the SC business you're going
0:30:54to get started general Starr on the
0:30:56outer rim and just don't tell anybody
0:30:57about your past or started started a
0:30:59diner fifties diner maybe a cloner you
0:31:02got a lot of options
0:31:03the only reason i buy order 66 is the
0:31:06Jedi that were seen primarily are flying
0:31:10and otherwise working with clones that
0:31:12presumably they trust all of the people
0:31:14we show again we don't know just from
0:31:17watching this movie who they are but
0:31:18with clone wars back here you know
0:31:20backstory and all of that these are all
0:31:22fairly prominent Jedi leaders who have
0:31:24been working you know working on the
0:31:26front lines for the war so all of them
0:31:28presumably have clone troopers that they
0:31:30know and they trust and they've worked
0:31:32with so it's more it should be damning
0:31:34right it should be my you know who i
0:31:37thought had my back have now shot me in
0:31:39the back and I feel like a betrayal
0:31:41it is exactly it's a complete complete
0:31:43and total betrayal and that is why the
0:31:45Jedi fall so easily who are in sort of
0:31:47our are in turn around the clone
0:31:49troopers is that they don't expect it
0:31:51and they don't you know and they've been
0:31:53blinded by either Palpatine superpower
0:31:55or just hubris to not think that they
0:31:59might get hurt
0:32:00I i did think that was really cool it's
0:32:04sort of like oh my coma that's like
0:32:05imagine our country where it's like oh
0:32:07my god there's like a really really
0:32:09horrible we're being invaded
0:32:10don't worry each one of the Senators
0:32:12were going to have five army guys
0:32:14company you at all times oh great i got
0:32:16army guy got a personal 505 army guy
0:32:19guard like know they're there to make
0:32:21sure that when the final order comes
0:32:22there five people to shoot you
0:32:24I like that wasn't that wasn't there so
0:32:26many times so many symbols of this could
0:32:28have been a really really good
0:32:29plot a really really good plan but Jedi
0:32:32sense when other Jedi or anybody dies
0:32:34like that the whole reason that Yoda
0:32:35lives like oh he senses the other one
0:32:37die unless they kill them in exactly
0:32:38precisely the same on all the other ones
0:32:40are you there spidey sense to mix things
0:32:42are gonna have to be tingling all
0:32:43skilled at the same time
0:32:46Yodas a little further away and so with
0:32:48this man is because he's got a feeling
0:32:50he gets like oh something terrible's
0:32:52happening which is why when the Clone
0:32:53Trooper coming up behind him he loses
0:32:55his head in two seconds which is you
0:32:56know appropriate realistic possible that
0:32:59Yoda special the arm so Anakin goes to
0:33:03the Jedi Temple and kills all the little
0:33:05kids because it might save his secret
0:33:06wife yeah that's that's his logic I i
0:33:08believe i did the whole thing is
0:33:10motivated by crazy dream and his logic
0:33:12is if I kill these kids i will it will
0:33:14save my wife who will surely will surely
0:33:16still love me after I kill these kids
0:33:17man in secret alternate movie what I
0:33:20would love to have seen was Annika goes
0:33:22into the Jedi camp temple finds the kids
0:33:26heard them all into a room and it's
0:33:27basically like there are people
0:33:28attacking the the temple please don't
0:33:30come out hide in here then he goes in
0:33:32search of the other adult Jedi kills the
0:33:34adult Jedi he hasn't gotten all of the
0:33:37kids tiny little kid
0:33:38seize him seize him killing the Jedi
0:33:41runs off to tell the other kids
0:33:43yeah pretty much runs opportunity of the
0:33:45chaos being our tree up with your
0:33:46lifestyle chopping all of our Jedi
0:33:49teachers to bits but that but then he
0:33:52feels forced to kill the kids and then
0:33:54it's not just I'm sorry for he comes
0:33:57back to the room with the kids and his
0:33:58guys we're going to Chancellor
0:34:00Palpatine's daycare from now on or there
0:34:02are no young and stupid Jedi Temple to
0:34:04begin a young man hanging ding yeah when
0:34:08they find the bodies later apparently
0:34:10these children died of a broken heart as
0:34:12another character will later in this
0:34:13movie I guess there's not a mark on them
0:34:15didn't have the guts to say what they
0:34:16want you to think that he killed them
0:34:18but they didn't want to show a single
0:34:19scorch mark let alone blood or anything
0:34:21like that someone who seemed to have
0:34:22been killed by a lightsaber
0:34:23yeah they've been killed by lightsabers
0:34:26maybe their next walk I they say but
0:34:28they don't show it like it's made to
0:34:29show a bunch of kids laying down okay
0:34:31this isn't a dark movie job or something
0:34:33like they showed him on fire with his
0:34:35little calculator but our land and the
0:34:37turkey out thanks ok I want to know
0:34:39who's stupid kid is it that says Master
0:34:42Skywalker there are too many of the
0:34:43what are we going to do because that is
0:34:45the worst line reading in any Star Wars
0:34:47fan well that was a kid and I think
0:34:49Hayden Christensen who is an adult has
0:34:51way worse line readings man no no it's
0:34:54so so bad we get a and we also have our
0:34:57Chewbacca cameo around now which is like
0:35:00that couch Ibaka ok it's on a show you
0:35:03what it takes off in his almond in
0:35:05something yes that's right Jimmy Smith's
0:35:07we get to see he runs away run away
0:35:09Jimmy Smith sits back and still becoming
0:35:11president someday Jimmy and you go and
0:35:13he goes back to the white ship that we
0:35:15do this from the from the original star
0:35:17wars the white ship with black curtains
0:35:19I'll be one does what he always does
0:35:21which is land on a planet and do
0:35:23something and take off that's all he
0:35:25ever ever does it does it again many
0:35:28Jedi have been killed
0:35:29we get some nice use of the pot the
0:35:30passive voice their many Jedi have been
0:35:33killed by who
0:35:34somebody that you know knows he doesn't
0:35:37want you to look at the tapes he knows
0:35:38what's on them and this is when i hit my
0:35:39natalie portman despair and I wrote down
0:35:41if only we believed anything about this
0:35:43if only Padme were anything but just the
0:35:46girlfriend she does nothing worst fake
0:35:49crying Natalie sorry i love you
0:35:51worst fake crying I i like seeing the
0:35:54white ship the the you know what it was
0:35:56that the tension of Santa far for ya
0:35:58Fauria I like seeing that that would
0:36:01that means i remembered a good movie
0:36:03well I saw that part yeah to Steve's
0:36:06point about there being no comic relief
0:36:07this really depressing scene when Anakin
0:36:09goes back to talk to Padme and then r2
0:36:12who's been with him and like this is the
0:36:13thing that really upset yeah is that was
0:36:16our to witness to all the younger and it
0:36:18was ok with it right and so like having
0:36:20the droids be a party to Anakin's life
0:36:22totally corrupt them in our view because
0:36:24they're now tainted by association and
0:36:26so we get the line where Threepio says
0:36:28well he is under a lot of stress actual
0:36:34I think the most repeated line in this
0:36:37film though is our to stay with the ship
0:36:39so yes always being totally like I'm in
0:36:42the ship
0:36:43I've had to stay with the ship i am
0:36:44going to ship
0:36:46yeah it was ok with the killing and mass
0:36:49murdering of innocence my my heart will
0:36:51be crushed into Anakin comes to check on
0:36:54padmé and the baby oh by the way I just
0:36:56killed a bunch of toddlers
0:36:57yeah i'm gonna be a great dad blood on
0:36:59my hands sorry those are baby I did it
0:37:01for you look as you're gonna be okay I
0:37:03did it I did it for you baby yeah that
0:37:07dream I had about you is totally not
0:37:09gonna come true now i know you're really
0:37:10worried about I'm gonna be the greatest
0:37:11dad ever if ever we need to kill our
0:37:13kids I don't totally done that I also i
0:37:16can guarantee our son is going to be top
0:37:18of the classic Young's but here's a
0:37:20here's the most important part of the
0:37:22movie then is what happens next which is
0:37:24can you can you can you guess I have
0:37:27initiated a special session of Congress
0:37:30to blah blah blah boring boring boring I
0:37:36think that got me is there at some point
0:37:37I think it's the scene where the obi-wan
0:37:39is looking at the security footage he
0:37:40said something like oh we better go you
0:37:42know should we go confront the Emperor
0:37:44something I'm like really were already
0:37:45calling the Emperor like a one-day and
0:37:47proclaiming is going to empire we're
0:37:49just going to get that choice releases
0:37:50no I can't believe it
0:37:52it can't be true yeah okay yeah I can
0:37:56kind of believe that kid was always
0:37:57kinda screwed also did you notice that
0:37:59as soon as Anakin is fully on board as
0:38:01being Darth Vader they give him the evil
0:38:02ship to fly
0:38:04oh yeah it's like now no now that you're
0:38:06a Sith Lord you get the cool evil ship
0:38:08the park i also don't get why everybody
0:38:10in the Senate is that happy about the
0:38:11Empire they're like yeah I didn't they
0:38:14didn't spend any time explaining no I
0:38:16like people would go along with this
0:38:18this is how Liberty dies with thunderous
0:38:20applause yeah it's set up for that
0:38:23terrible wine which which in some ways
0:38:24could have been a good line in in that
0:38:27mystical other universe movie but like
0:38:29it doesn't make any sense here because
0:38:31we don't
0:38:32despite all the time we spent on
0:38:33politics none of those politics have a
0:38:35substance we have no understanding of
0:38:37why anybody would be excited about being
0:38:39in the Empire this is the official start
0:38:41remember the scene in patent
0:38:42where the there's this final scene in
0:38:45the the german bunker where every
0:38:47general is just burning papers as fast
0:38:49as they possibly can before the Allies
0:38:51come in this is to me that's like the
0:38:53the start of the part of this movie
0:38:55we're like we just have to start burning
0:38:57papers we start have to we have to start
0:38:59making sure that everything that happens
0:39:01after this rib for the 20 years between
0:39:03this movie and episode 4 makes some kind
0:39:06of sense they need to have needs to make
0:39:09sure that the emperor has absolutely got
0:39:11to achieve victory here he doesn't have
0:39:13to take out the Senate he doesn't have
0:39:15to would fight a long long campaign he
0:39:18is the victorious champion of a force of
0:39:20light that has that has gotten rid of
0:39:22those people who are filing those tax
0:39:25impound forms yes incorrectly whatever
0:39:27the hell was the train from someone says
0:39:29butte you know so yeah hooray so it
0:39:32isn't it's it and oh my god he was so
0:39:34horribly scarred he will bear like the
0:39:36that proudly the symbol of how much he
0:39:38sacrificed to make us would make us
0:39:40victory victorious and feel good about
0:39:42ourselves so it's almost like the
0:39:43Falklands at Falkland Islands conflict
0:39:45located in britain in like 1080p digital
0:39:49um I I like i mentioned nute Gunray
0:39:52earlier i'll enjoyed you can ray dying
0:39:54at this point it's like they're killing
0:39:56a part of episode 1 and i approve i have
0:39:59that line actually written down her a
0:40:00he's going to kill new country i know
0:40:03and i wrote two races to live is also
0:40:08align here somewhere I forget who says
0:40:09it but he says the Chancellor will not
0:40:11be able to control the thousands of star
0:40:12systems without keeping the Senate
0:40:13intact which one person he does outside
0:40:16for ya I'd like 20 years later 20 years
0:40:20and then he has all the Senate you know
0:40:21but it does seem clearly a setup line to
0:40:23be like all right we're gonna get back
0:40:25to this is that it's a tie back to well
0:40:28how how we get the no-fear will keep
0:40:29local systems in line fear what fear of
0:40:31this battle station but it's not built
0:40:32yet so you know you gotta keep yourself
0:40:34around just for fun and a hell of a long
0:40:37time to build that battle station it is
0:40:38they built they built the new one in
0:40:40like a couple years but now they built
0:40:42them both the same time clearly yyyy a 4
0:40:4411 and build whatever you can afford the
0:40:46price yes it's it's it's like
0:40:48pharmaceuticals you know the first death
0:40:50star takes two
0:40:51cost 80 trillion the second one costs
0:40:53only eighteen cents lost i didn't really
0:40:55finish the second i know they didn't
0:40:56they just made operational but it was
0:40:58still pretty much just superstructure
0:40:59this is like the superstructure my
0:41:03comment about Anakin killing all the the
0:41:05the sad racist red Trade Federation
0:41:07folks is the key if you the best he's
0:41:10standing out on that balcony is all
0:41:12cowled up and supposed to look angry and
0:41:13zooms in and you see is and cry yes
0:41:15singles hear you cry about the Ottoman
0:41:18I'm gonna die when that was the best
0:41:21across a lot only kids was fine i went
0:41:23back had me five minutes later and I was
0:41:25like everything's gonna be fine but i
0:41:26can't kill nute Gunray and it really
0:41:28upset me i have a newcomer reaction
0:41:30finger
0:41:30I've known him since I was a little kid
0:41:33your Jedi now I need don't know I
0:41:37remember when you were small and
0:41:38destroyed my ship accidentally exactly
0:41:42that then there's a scene in which he
0:41:43finally like collect like opens his
0:41:45mails been piling up
0:41:46congratulations or the Jedi Council
0:41:48confers upon you the title of Master
0:41:50sorry took us so long but you know we've
0:41:52been busy god dammit and the title of
0:41:55weepy a Sith Lord ghost in her a lot of
0:41:58iron eyes Cody moments in Anakin's shots
0:42:02here is very distressed about all the
0:42:04litter in the galaxy everybody decides
0:42:06to go to lava world seemed like that
0:42:08that led Padme says besides Threepio
0:42:10will look after me least reassuring
0:42:12wherever Threepio really get short
0:42:16shrift in this movie doesn't he doesn't
0:42:18have like three lines and all ya no puns
0:42:20he wanted to like his puns but for
0:42:22pete's sake also obi-wan Stow's away in
0:42:25the John of the ship
0:42:26yeah it's now carries that I also like
0:42:29whenever they whenever the Jedi use
0:42:31their force powers to close doors it is
0:42:32my favorite thing ever because he could
0:42:35especially push the button but even they
0:42:36just closed or the uh this is where I
0:42:39really kind of run out of any respect
0:42:43for or like of POD may well here's
0:42:45here's one thing you have to respect
0:42:46okay she's gonna give birth in a matter
0:42:48of hours to full seemingly to two
0:42:50seemingly full-term babies and and she
0:42:53prances down the walkway of that ship
0:42:56like like she is light as a feather yeah
0:42:58like she's like I'm going to give birth
0:42:59in hours and but look to poop you know I
0:43:02mean she's not very big it's fine she
0:43:03supposed to be pregnant with twins
0:43:04doesn't
0:43:05really quite work but she's just running
0:43:06around so she is a superwoman
0:43:08so in this scene again trying to set up
0:43:10Anakin as a different character than
0:43:12we've actually seen he says we could
0:43:13overthrow the Emperor and prevent rule
0:43:16together is where other and mothers for
0:43:18power come from nowhere
0:43:20yeah but her response to that is I don't
0:43:22believe what I'm hearing and i'm not
0:43:23sure why because this kind of fascist
0:43:25rambling is pretty par for the course
0:43:26for what Anakin is busted out in their
0:43:29political discussion so far i thought
0:43:30that was just natalie portman saying
0:43:32that you're right now it doesn't this is
0:43:34the best this is the best mean the worst
0:43:36line in the movie where it in this scene
0:43:38what you know George like what we need
0:43:39to have happened here is that Anakin
0:43:41needs to brake pad my heart
0:43:43ok pad me line ready yet Anakin you're
0:43:47breaking my heart you can't just write
0:43:49that you have to show us you can't just
0:43:51like I know you anymore stop now that
0:43:54person's name and you like it's a lazy
0:43:56flyball of things that you need to show
0:43:58on scene showing someone breaking
0:44:00someone's heart is not hard to do like
0:44:01it's already darn easy like a ball that
0:44:03it's not very subtle but have her to
0:44:05have her say the lines like you don't
0:44:07understand how writing works
0:44:09what are you doing at the delivery is
0:44:10different like I wrote down my note here
0:44:12was saying vs acting and so it really is
0:44:14just like these people are just reading
0:44:16lines these our actors who signed a
0:44:18three-picture deal they bore they were
0:44:20regretting that after picture 1 they
0:44:22can't get out of it the only way this
0:44:23line works is if she's sarcastic oh I
0:44:26Anakin you're breaking my heart
0:44:27that's the only way it works is written
0:44:29yeah it's it's a it's really really
0:44:31really badly forced jokes are my
0:44:35allegiance is to democracy most boring
0:44:38democracy versus tyranny there's another
0:44:40great line if you're not with me you're
0:44:42my enemy right now you can't you can't
0:44:45say you're against me because he didn't
0:44:46want to do a cliché read the line that
0:44:48immediately follows that is this only a
0:44:50Sith deals in absolutes I have to tell
0:44:53you obi-wan that's an absolute you not
0:44:55exactly we're just like unintentional
0:44:58intentional irony from that is unselfish
0:45:01we're completely unselfish where ya
0:45:03George Lucas or whoever goes wrote that
0:45:06line but I'm gonna say George Lucas how
0:45:08do you not realize that as you're
0:45:10writing that what this is a really good
0:45:12like it here's the thing about this
0:45:13movie is like we talked about week on
0:45:15the bad movies things we watch the core
0:45:17and stuff like if
0:45:18show normal person this movie they will
0:45:20laugh it seems that are not supposed to
0:45:22be because you can't like they're not
0:45:23they don't know this must have any
0:45:24reverence for Star Wars or anything
0:45:26they'll watch it and they'll laugh at
0:45:27the way you laugh at a bad movie and the
0:45:29only reason we're not able to do that
0:45:30for because we're so upset that they
0:45:32bring this is because here is pouring
0:45:35down your face stare at the screen
0:45:36yeah that's right just the single Tier
0:45:38one and what I say is I don't like this
0:45:41movie that's because you're so in love
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0:47:09how'd I do all right back to the show so
0:47:11let's see if there's a duel then suffice
0:47:13to say there's a hat
0:47:15I don't think we can suffice it to say
0:47:16because this like they're about it
0:47:17reminded me so many so much as man of
0:47:20steel remember a man of steel when you
0:47:22have action figures banging against each
0:47:23other yeah this lightsaber battle is
0:47:25like at this point you're totally you're
0:47:27totally signed out you truly checked out
0:47:29because of
0:47:29the ridiculousness of this entire thing
0:47:31and like they're going to hit
0:47:33lightsabers against each other's
0:47:34repeatedly for a long time with no
0:47:36dialogue pretty much like they don't
0:47:38talk to it they talk a little bit in the
0:47:39beginning and then it's like bang bang
0:47:40bang it's just like Oh bouncing around
0:47:42it was MIT's Man of Steel all over again
0:47:45any drama this saber battle might have
0:47:46had is completely dissipated by a bear
0:47:48around minute 40 not not short enough it
0:47:51was is what I'm trying to tell you who
0:47:53you know the lightsaber battle at the
0:47:54end of episode one isn't bad and this is
0:47:57not that this is part of it is being
0:48:00drained of any interest in these
0:48:01characters part of it is that it is like
0:48:05videogame figures banging up against
0:48:08each other
0:48:09I also feel that at some point right
0:48:11around here maybe when Steve cited a
0:48:13little bit earlier where it's sort of
0:48:14like nothing good happens past this
0:48:15point I feel like the movie shifts from
0:48:17being the obligatory list of references
0:48:20to the wii now we've this is the part we
0:48:24wrote early that we knew was going to be
0:48:26the end of the trilogy and then
0:48:28everything else is backfilled to that
0:48:30moment I feel like we're in that moment
0:48:32now we're now we're completely on rails
0:48:34and everything is just obligatory it has
0:48:36to be this way i wrote in a fanzine in
0:48:391978 the darth vader lost you know was
0:48:42scarred in lava and so there has to be a
0:48:44lava planet and there has to be a battle
0:48:45and it is all a blanket or actors dots
0:48:48and it has to be bigger it's like it's
0:48:50like the bad version of Return of the
0:48:51Jedi we're like we needed even bigger
0:48:53space battle i think they pull that off
0:48:54its like this needs to be the biggest
0:48:56lightsaber battle the most banging of
0:48:58lightsabers together and they did that
0:49:00for sheer number of times two
0:49:01lightsabers hit each other this probably
0:49:02is the record but it's just monotonous
0:49:04and there's no pace to it and like i
0:49:07said i don't even talk to each other
0:49:08have the same compared to like the you
0:49:10know Empire Strikes vaccine with the
0:49:11with a battle that takes probably the
0:49:13same amount of time with like one
0:49:14ten-thousandth the number lightsaber
0:49:16clashes in 20 times the dialogue where
0:49:18should this not also be the ultimate yes
0:49:21decision sewing jamming the decision
0:49:23point of these characters there's one
0:49:25there's one moment in this that just
0:49:26makes me completely it it bring it like
0:49:28anakin it breaks my heart for the poor
0:49:31people of X guys because there's that
0:49:33moment where there are clashing and
0:49:34they're they're standing on some sort of
0:49:36a pipe or something and their
0:49:39lightsabers meet and then there's like a
0:49:40gigantic wave of lava that shoots up
0:49:43find him and I gotta see that and not
0:49:44think if this film had been done right
0:49:47how absolutely beautiful that scene
0:49:50would have been a helping hand moving
0:49:51and amazing it would have been and
0:49:54instead it's just completely wasted on
0:49:55this piece of crap this okay we've got
0:49:58it we've got an awesome fight that's
0:49:59great
0:50:00lots of banging of lightsabers against
0:50:01other lightsabers the whole point of
0:50:03this fight should be this is the final
0:50:06moment not in lightsabers but in
0:50:08characters where obi-wan and Anakin are
0:50:13making their final arguments with each
0:50:15other right and that argument should be
0:50:17about well the jedis the Jedi is better
0:50:20you need to rethink this and all that
0:50:21and instead it's just where we're
0:50:24enemies now let's fight and see who wins
0:50:26and it's it's it's a shame this should
0:50:28this is the tragic core of the story
0:50:30except it's not it's just another
0:50:32lightsaber back even more than that
0:50:33Jason I think it comes down to the
0:50:35personal relationship these guys you
0:50:37know in a in a ham-fisted Lee delivered
0:50:39line from everyone later
0:50:41these guys are best friends these guys
0:50:43are others and your stretches and that's
0:50:46the falling out of two people who are
0:50:48like really good friends and that
0:50:49happens and it's so easy like again like
0:50:51John's point about the like breaking
0:50:53your heart seemed like that's something
0:50:54that is not hard to show but we want to
0:50:58feel that these guys who have suffered
0:51:00and been through so much together have
0:51:01just finally come to this these
0:51:03loggerheads and is the only way to get
0:51:05that out is that they're physically
0:51:06going to fight and and yet none of that
0:51:09it's totally robbed of any emotion it's
0:51:11a damn shame and how much more meaning
0:51:13that would have if if if Anakin had sort
0:51:17of gradually moved to a sort of semi
0:51:19reasonable position on the Sith instead
0:51:22of killing younglings right yeah
0:51:24also i am i'm reminded again to go back
0:51:26to the original trilogy of you know when
0:51:29last we met you were the master I I kind
0:51:32of wanted that here I wanted to feel
0:51:33more like this battle is a really open
0:51:37one holding it holding back because he
0:51:41can't bear and and there's a little of
0:51:43it but I felt like I wanted to feel like
0:51:45obi-wan's the master here he's got this
0:51:47the only reason this goes on is he's
0:51:49trying very hard not to kill Anakin you
0:51:51didn't have a real hard time leveling
0:51:53the power
0:51:54I'm a bit like the balance and writing
0:51:5540 isn't always the window the most
0:51:58powerful what about yoga but Hannigan's
0:51:59also be more powerful but in general
0:52:00obi-wan seems more as if you like the
0:52:02they don't have a good they never really
0:52:05established the power hierarchy of the
0:52:07Jedi despite the fact that they have
0:52:08explicit lines like my powers have
0:52:10doubled in blood like an 83 on the
0:52:13midi-chlorian scale it doesn't make
0:52:14sense how they stack up to each other
0:52:16which makes these which makes these
0:52:18scenes unclear again you know is obi-wan
0:52:20holding back is Palpatine holding back
0:52:22is like you never quite know where is
0:52:24the hierarchy of power so much clearer
0:52:27in the original trilogy you knew
0:52:28like what you know you knew how it went
0:52:31Emperor than Vader than luke and I can
0:52:33and it was born out and like you didn't
0:52:35think that that Luke was holding back
0:52:37and he could have defeated innovator and
0:52:38empire he wasn't like it was so clear
0:52:40and this it just it you know it makes
0:52:42that it makes you not care about them
0:52:44being lightsabers they save like the
0:52:45thing for the end where he actually says
0:52:46the lines like we were supposed to be
0:52:48friends like all right fine bad writing
0:52:50whatever but you just spent 20 minutes
0:52:52boring me by hitting your lightsabres
0:52:53together before you got to that seen you
0:52:55could have been doing that while you
0:52:56were fighting or in between and because
0:52:57the choreography could have been more
0:52:58impressive instead of having a visual
0:53:00effects come Center like there's some of
0:53:02the stuff makes no sense hero be one
0:53:04takes like a tactical retreat on to like
0:53:06a pylon or something like that and
0:53:07they're just beginning wedding where the
0:53:09robots they're robots that are doing the
0:53:11work at the in the planet which makes it
0:53:13even dumber because apparently I i was
0:53:15thinking like flying drugs with buckets
0:53:17seems like the least efficient way to do
0:53:19anything
0:53:19well then what are the odds that the
0:53:21flying bucket and the other flying
0:53:23platform happened to stay within light
0:53:24say that each other for the next week
0:53:26yeah they want to see a good fight too
0:53:28so you know there's no sweetheart it's
0:53:31the eight-year-old approach again like
0:53:32oh you'll be awesome lava different
0:53:34platforms in fact that not just that its
0:53:37fight choreography done by whoever it is
0:53:39is doing the video game design because
0:53:41to get can't remember what was that
0:53:43episode 2 in which drama dollars doing
0:53:45that I'm sorry in which apartment is
0:53:48doing the thing where she she lets you
0:53:50she finds herself like in a super mario
0:53:52land level
0:53:53yeah just jump over the swing of things
0:53:55and ducked out and then swing and now
0:53:56it's a left-to-right scroller thing it's
0:53:59like the problem
0:54:00yeah I'm surprised we don't get a donkey
0:54:02kong sound effect in some
0:54:04already had the cars and so does anybody
0:54:05want to talk about the tactical high
0:54:08ground that you have now I've got the
0:54:10high ground now an occasion you know
0:54:12like Darth Maul did that one time yeah
0:54:15and they have like they have this hold
0:54:1620 minutes scene of lights they're
0:54:18battling like they just didn't know how
0:54:19to end the like okay well this has to
0:54:20come to a conclusion somehow it's like I
0:54:22can't think of anything I must kill op
0:54:24have them stop talk to each other
0:54:26establish a nonsensical premise that
0:54:28will lead to the final event which will
0:54:30be that obi-wan winds like a mile of
0:54:31just said ok now the fight must end and
0:54:34the script says I should win so pleased
0:54:36you can cut off my legs now that they
0:54:38might as well done that it was associate
0:54:40and uh and the other thing that we
0:54:42should address i want to talk about
0:54:43universal Palpatine but we'll do that in
0:54:45a minute the other thing we need to
0:54:46address here is the fact that i don't
0:54:50really want to hurt you but you're gonna
0:54:51make me but once I've cut off your legs
0:54:54and your burning to death i'm just going
0:54:56to lady take a walk
0:54:58yes well I mean so here's the thing is
0:54:59like I actually like obi-wan's speech
0:55:02it's not the best it's not well written
0:55:04but it there is an element of
0:55:06genuineness and ewan mcgregor actually
0:55:08manages to convey certain emotions
0:55:10entirely the acting which is then
0:55:12completely ruined by the fact that he
0:55:13shows him no mercy yeah yeah just walked
0:55:16away like well you're supposed to be my
0:55:17brother but i'm not going to do anything
0:55:19even he's your suffering in anyway so
0:55:21now you're winners community of leaving
0:55:23the guy there to possibly survive and be
0:55:25turned into a semi robots huh
0:55:27the odds are solo ste I i will say that
0:55:31i can i did kinda by that because they
0:55:34were again if we need adventure that's
0:55:35this is good acting on the McGregor's
0:55:38part but I did get the the sense that ok
0:55:41well Anakin is dead
0:55:43okay he's gone he's dead I'm he's never
0:55:45going to come back i now owe no
0:55:48allegiance to this Anakin shape thing
0:55:51that's in front of me but still at the
0:55:53same time it's just there is an element
0:55:55of it that the Jedi are supposed to be
0:55:57bigger than that right and that's what
0:55:59we want from obi-wan is he supposed to
0:56:00be the bigger man and I think the main
0:56:02thing is that that advocates character
0:56:04is played by hayden christensen always
0:56:06comes off as the younger person in the
0:56:08relationship he always comes off as the
0:56:10whiny child and he never he never sort
0:56:12of comes into his own and takes agency
0:56:14and becomes like that
0:56:16i am now actively working towards a goal
0:56:18counter to yours is always tired of like
0:56:21a big brother little brother
0:56:22relationship where you never truly
0:56:24believe like well now you've made your
0:56:26choice and now you've made your bed now
0:56:28you have the line it's like and Anakin
0:56:29didn't make any bet he's just confused
0:56:31stupid kid and that's why you can I
0:56:33can't buy likely that thing that and he
0:56:35was saying was like it just doesn't it
0:56:36doesn't make sense that he would that he
0:56:38would say well mike is that you would
0:56:39still like the whole audience feels the
0:56:41whole time he's just a stupid idiot and
0:56:43doesn't have any idea what's going on
0:56:45and you will never keep it but the
0:56:46stupid idiot really left the movie when
0:56:49he started killing kids huh that's why
0:56:52it doesn't make sense of it but then but
0:56:53then what's the point of the whole you
0:56:55were my brother Anakin I loved you
0:56:56speech mean if he's if he thinks
0:56:58Anakin's gone and that the whole point
0:57:00of having that speech is pretty much out
0:57:01the window 2 i'm not saying that ever
0:57:04all this makes like really good tight
0:57:06one thing is it's more like it really is
0:57:10like this is I think this is true if i
0:57:12call this as we're talking about this
0:57:13movie we really are trying to piece
0:57:15together the wreckage of an airplane and
0:57:17trying to figure out what happened or
0:57:19which or or actually better yet I think
0:57:21it's more like an archaeological dig
0:57:22where we've got all these parts that
0:57:25we've dug up and we think they fit
0:57:27together this way and we're trying to
0:57:29figure out I know this is a mess of box
0:57:31of rocks and springs were looking at but
0:57:33where they tried to make an astrolabe
0:57:35where they're trying to make a
0:57:36calculator device and we can each try to
0:57:39figure out what they did for me I feel
0:57:42as though the intent of what what that
0:57:45scene was meant to do is just as ob1
0:57:48said in an episode for that at that but
0:57:51I'm sorry episode 5 in an empire at the
0:57:54mall at that point by sort of from
0:57:56certain point of view Anakin was dead
0:57:58and there was no coming back from that
0:57:59i'm saying i keep thinking what would
0:58:04have made Anakin or obi-wan I'm
0:58:07abandoning him better
0:58:08I i rather a different a different movie
0:58:10to let him out ok ok but no I actually I
0:58:13think if if a a bunch of clones or
0:58:17whatever had been had arrived and were
0:58:21shooting at him right if it was any kind
0:58:24of like like that's why that's the worst
0:58:26thing it's not so hard like you get your
0:58:28a movie with war is it getting the same
0:58:30thing without Padme dies it's so easy to
0:58:32kill people in the legitimate believable
0:58:34matter if they find these preposterous
0:58:35ways to kill major characters and have
0:58:37major plot points that like it's not
0:58:39hard people i want obi-wan to be under
0:58:41fire and not be able to finish the job
0:58:43and say maybe I'm sorry Anakin yeah and
0:58:46and leave and leave him to the clones
0:58:48and know that he's not gonna die is
0:58:50horribly right right Palpatine shows up
0:58:53and he and he runs and and that's the
0:58:55end of it but instead it's much more
0:58:56like smell you later or I don't think
0:58:59which is just so lame I or at least
0:59:01think that he's dead like that's the
0:59:03other thing like if he's like body like
0:59:04slid between the beneath the lava or
0:59:06something right then he would actually
0:59:07be totally dead
0:59:08no no we learn from what we learned from
0:59:10the core movie that he would float float
0:59:12on top of it for wine so I yo diversity
0:59:15Palpatine I wanted to say that this is
0:59:17this is the scene that this is the same
0:59:19that I kinda like the scene and here's
0:59:20why I kinda like it
0:59:21it is the best use of the Senate chamber
0:59:23set yeah and all three movies because
0:59:25after seeing the stupid Senate chamber
0:59:27for all the boring Senate things and
0:59:29stupid George are giving speeches and
0:59:31all of that in this in this scene all
0:59:34those little floating balls get hurled
0:59:36around with the forest during a fight
0:59:38between Yoda and Palpatine and I took
0:59:40like the death of Newt Gunray I took
0:59:42great Glee and the destruction of the
0:59:44boring Senate chamber in the in the
0:59:46fight it's not much of a fight and it's
0:59:48sort of sad that you're dead ends up
0:59:50crawling through like a ventilation duct
0:59:52and endurance he was honest
0:59:53yeah there's a yoda pajamas so cute yeah
0:59:56we've seen two fights at this point
0:59:58where the Great Master Yoda
0:59:58where the Great Master Yoda
1:00:00frankly kind of blows that lightsaber
1:00:01whirring he's completely failed to take
1:00:04down
1:00:05Count Dooku and now we completely fails
1:00:07to do anything against Palpatine right
1:00:09well he didn't believe Alice but other
1:00:10people point out he fights them to a
1:00:12draw by himself so it seems like we had
1:00:14one or two other people with him he
1:00:15would have the upper hand and they take
1:00:17care of this guy but then he crawls off
1:00:18with his tail between his legs and it
1:00:20doesn't have a tail would never see yo
1:00:22to win a lightsaber fight is what i'm
1:00:23saying if you're gonna show Yoda doing
1:00:25lightsaber fights which i think is a bad
1:00:27idea to begin with
1:00:28have him win one yeah he's supposed to
1:00:30be badass it was it was more or less a
1:00:32dry didn't win but yeah like heaven and
1:00:35the problem if that is his reaction is
1:00:36like well now i guess i have to go into
1:00:38exile is like you were so close that was
1:00:40basically a drawing you're by yourself
1:00:41if only you'd brought obi-wan with you
1:00:43but he had to go to a lot of worldwide
1:00:45Palpatine also was by himself i should
1:00:46point it was pretty even technically the
1:00:50whole thing is just I don't know I find
1:00:51it ridiculously silly i find that the
1:00:53whole Senate chamber i agree to the
1:00:55center chamber is ridiculous
1:00:56although this time for the first time
1:00:57was the they ride the little Chancellor
1:00:59platform upwards I'm like well that is
1:01:01actually really unsafe like what if the
1:01:03jets are fell off of patterns are for
1:01:04Samuel baby i was a lot there's a lot of
1:01:06pointy things in the chamber it's also
1:01:08kind of ridiculous that they just
1:01:09somehow end up rising up through the
1:01:10floor it's got a real Marx Brothers feel
1:01:12to it
1:01:13well you think that's good it's the
1:01:14swinging on ropes training Anakin and
1:01:16obi-wan fight that really got me like oh
1:01:18that's my ropes Tarzan noise that time
1:01:21let's be honest this is the star wars
1:01:23equivalent of the chase through the
1:01:25warehouse in Indiana Jones and the
1:01:28Kingdom of the Crystal Skull right it
1:01:30other than the fact that great of the
1:01:32Lost Ark is a treasure and start and
1:01:34service episode 1 is not and so but it
1:01:36is that is the wacky slap sticky
1:01:39overblown fight scene that demolishes
1:01:41asset that you know from a previous
1:01:44movie it's the same thing you have to
1:01:46also realize that they had to fix this
1:01:48whole Senate chamber because the
1:01:49Senators and dissolve like another 20
1:01:50years while I can maybe the Senate just
1:01:52has to use the broken chamber for the
1:01:54next 20 years and nobody like what
1:01:55happened here was our Emperor involved
1:01:57in some service trays lightsaber battle
1:01:59can we dissolve the Senate now
1:02:01nope nope gotta keep something if your
1:02:04saucer was one of the ones destroyed you
1:02:06have to sit in the bleachers
1:02:07we also get the great mind-bending line
1:02:11at an end your rule is and not short
1:02:13enough
1:02:14oh yeah like oh like Lucas just lost
1:02:17track of how to make your talking NOT
1:02:19some ridiculous i do like the scene
1:02:21where he walks in the Imperial Guards
1:02:23are there again a great instance of
1:02:24Palpatine havin Taylor those costumes
1:02:26for them already ready to get started
1:02:27dispatches them immediately right there
1:02:29were there were all so excited to
1:02:30finally get the Wyndemere Chairman's my
1:02:32first day on the job is pretty great i
1:02:34like this helmet they all got have been
1:02:35killed by you and break out the red
1:02:37outfits
1:02:39yeah surprise we have to let Taylor so
1:02:41they're Taylor's they've got green red
1:02:43outfits that right down the street from
1:02:45the cloner planet so is anybody wonder
1:02:47to jump back to a mannequin popping they
1:02:50wonder why Palpatine bothers to save him
1:02:52he's mostly dead at that point it's like
1:02:53you can do he had another running out of
1:02:55this shows what made him out of
1:02:57midi-chlorians it's he's this guy that's
1:03:00his son dude and now he's got all the
1:03:02power in the world over him because he's
1:03:04going to be this totally messed up guy
1:03:07now
1:03:09oh he's got he's got a lot of power to
1:03:12manipulate the force he's a good guy
1:03:14have also again a piece a piece we
1:03:17sipped from a much better movie he
1:03:19actually legitimately likes him and
1:03:21seeing yourself season him something he
1:03:23can really cultivate also I my tailors
1:03:25have designed this black suit that's
1:03:27really obviously you don't find a minion
1:03:29this stupid every single day man put him
1:03:32in the medical capsule and they put him
1:03:33in a medical left thing and they treat
1:03:35me like wheel along and it's a thing
1:03:36that's totally open the elements and I
1:03:38feel like you get like rained on and
1:03:40wouldn't seem like if this guy's been
1:03:41like have burned to death i don't think
1:03:43you want to let him get rained on
1:03:44seriously Anakin I was just kidding
1:03:47about the younglings I can't believe you
1:03:48did that
1:03:49haha so I'm okay we got we basically got
1:03:53a couple of scenes left to go and they
1:03:57are really tough so we're gonna just
1:03:58here we go here we go to everything must
1:04:00go
1:04:01so every reference factor so for reasons
1:04:03we can't explain Padme has lost the will
1:04:07to live not demand she dies the reasons
1:04:11we can't explain we are losing her if my
1:04:13riff my medical robot says to me for
1:04:16reasons we can't explain their lives
1:04:17sure I buy another medical yeah that
1:04:19robot is terrible
1:04:21oh come on that medical robot says boo
1:04:22ba yah robots using wet currently it
1:04:26doesn't know how to speak English and
1:04:28then uses this giant spatula hand to
1:04:30scoop out the baby that's like it's like
1:04:32a see-through wii remote that disgusting
1:04:35it's like a highlight thing think that
1:04:38baby on a weapon against the wall right
1:04:39last so she dies of movie disease
1:04:42basically which is because she needs to
1:04:43die she dies which is incredibly stupid
1:04:46Campbell's lawful movie from further for
1:04:49heroic Dame's the Dame that's to die so
1:04:52that the hero seems to leave a little
1:04:54more corrupted by it
1:04:56chapter 12 it's right there black and
1:04:58like an easy fix for this problem
1:05:00what if she had been slowly dying
1:05:02throughout the entire movie like what if
1:05:04we find out an early scene that she has
1:05:06a fatal disease she can be killed in the
1:05:08war that's going on with people with
1:05:10guns and lights if we set her up as like
1:05:11in the in the first scene is like she's
1:05:13got this terrible disease or something
1:05:14at least Anakin has legitimate reasons
1:05:16to do everything like she's actually
1:05:18dying that is like I had a dream about
1:05:20maybe her Diana can could accidentally
1:05:22stabbed her when she's hiding behind the
1:05:24curtain anything could have happened but
1:05:27that doesn't happen it's that's really
1:05:29frustrating but she does she does have
1:05:32the droid midwives deliver a baby girl
1:05:35and I want everybody to me watching it
1:05:37which is super creepy yeah
1:05:39Bail Organa Yoda and obi-wan are all
1:05:41standing outside a transpass a
1:05:42transparent window just like checking it
1:05:44out
1:05:45she has the the mecca modesty skirt
1:05:47though you know what is with the
1:05:48delivery room with the the one-way glass
1:05:51it looks totally comfortable that's that
1:05:53I'm sure any woman would love to deliver
1:05:55while sitting on metal slab with a metal
1:05:56chain thing covering it's just you know
1:05:59move on galaxy far far away
1:06:02not look comfortable I don't even think
1:06:03you can get our legs far apart squeeze a
1:06:05baby out
1:06:06also how does nobody figure out that
1:06:08she's having twins before yesterday and
1:06:10today there will be technology sucks to
1:06:12keep returning to a singular baby and
1:06:13wood to show up they're not too
1:06:15surprised but it's like she has names
1:06:17for both of them ready to go yeah yeah
1:06:18that was if it's a boy it's gonna end of
1:06:20course they couldn't tell that either
1:06:21she wanted to be surprised to grow
1:06:23little belay oh it's both yeah oh I
1:06:25gotta die now but i gave my name's
1:06:27before I died
1:06:28now i gotta die fortune which
1:06:31just it is this is this is like the
1:06:33height of movie this is like I mean like
1:06:36babies being delivered in movies is not
1:06:38a great track record they're often very
1:06:40large and you know six months old and
1:06:42all of these things and they come come
1:06:44out in like a minute they're perfectly
1:06:46clean
1:06:47ok but Lucas has all of the cgi in the
1:06:49world at his disposal couldn't have done
1:06:51something that would have been it would
1:06:53not have been cleaned don't encourage
1:06:54him to make cg babies that have done
1:06:56children of men i think y'all all CGI
1:06:58the world can't fix the script though
1:07:00and that's the problem here is that we
1:07:02she needs to die and there's no good
1:07:03reason for her to die and she just guys
1:07:06such as they just didn't want him you
1:07:07kill her in so many ways and so cheesy
1:07:10disguise admirably she dies of being
1:07:12said she's got her babies but that's not
1:07:14good enough she said so she dies but
1:07:16fortunately Jimmy Smits and his wife
1:07:18will take the girl not am home and I
1:07:21brought you that beyond that going one
1:07:22way but they'll take the girl boy would
1:07:24be crazy if there had been an accidental
1:07:26switchy to be Smith's the I got to their
1:07:31I got you thank you
1:07:33so she gets to be so so let's get this
1:07:35straight Leia gets to go to Alderaan
1:07:37beautiful we get to see beautiful older
1:07:38on goodbye real estate and um and it
1:07:43gets to be a princess and be awesome on
1:07:46Alderaan whereas i will take the boy to
1:07:48tatooine where he will be in the sand
1:07:50and fixing two rounds no place for a
1:07:53woman budget did he call ahead because
1:07:55i'm not even sure they've got a space
1:07:57phone in their little tattoo yeah I feel
1:07:59bad for Owen and Beru because what if
1:08:00they want to have their own kids now is
1:08:02like that we were gonna have her own
1:08:03kids were kind of the right age when I
1:08:04guess we gotta take and it seems like
1:08:06they never do have their own kids from
1:08:07can tell it was like he just he shows up
1:08:09with the baby tucked into his robot is
1:08:11like a brew
1:08:12I got some for ya don't want to go into
1:08:14too much detail about why I'm bringing
1:08:16his baby but here no nothing to worry
1:08:18about
1:08:19very little chance with this little tyke
1:08:21might someday college to be torched
1:08:22alive and you're gonna stay here I like
1:08:25that Jimmy Smith is totally like so we
1:08:27got two kids dibs on the girl I'll take
1:08:28it
1:08:29yep will take also sending sending Luke
1:08:32to his family under his own name i read
1:08:35in Syria while back about like how
1:08:37obi-wan just totally uses Lucas bait for
1:08:39Darth Vader like that was gonna put him
1:08:41out here with his family
1:08:42we're leaving called Luke Skywalker
1:08:44just sit around wait for Darth Vader
1:08:45show up and kill this kid it's like
1:08:47hiding in plain sight it's it's the it's
1:08:49the the first off they tell him the
1:08:52Emperor tells him that he killed her
1:08:53ok that is actually cool i like that
1:08:55what that is one bit that I like it I
1:08:57like the Emperor lies to him and tells
1:08:59him that you killed him because I feel
1:09:01like that is a great captain be said but
1:09:03again he and I don't like because he's
1:09:04being duped again it's like well he
1:09:05knows that he didn't actually kill her
1:09:06she was alive when he left and he's like
1:09:08but i guess i accidentally killed her
1:09:10and couldn't tell because I of course
1:09:11you can tell you killed a YouTube didn't
1:09:13kill her she was he doesn't know that
1:09:14she's that she was alive when he left
1:09:16are you sure
1:09:17shokdor into unconsciousness I nobody
1:09:19has the farsi can tell when she's dead
1:09:21or now that woman you don't like your
1:09:23voice can tell anything in this movie
1:09:25john the force does not do that because
1:09:27we see obi-wan actually take her pulse
1:09:29at one but they also the four slots and
1:09:31lets the jedis put their hands on the
1:09:33heads of people who are injured and make
1:09:34them better all we want does it in a new
1:09:36hope it gets done a couple times here in
1:09:38this movie this all sorts of head
1:09:39padding to just doesn't it it's another
1:09:42example of him being duped and I think
1:09:45that's okay i think i think that's ok
1:09:47again in that different movie I think
1:09:48that's ok because it's sort of completes
1:09:50his transition like now there is nothing
1:09:51left for him you know and so we've got
1:09:53that story which comes from the Emperor
1:09:55but meanwhile obi-wan and Yoda have
1:09:57crafted this other story which is weird
1:09:59we're going to hide the boy in plain
1:10:00sight on Tatooine and i'll be one is
1:10:04going to be nearby but not trained him
1:10:06or do anything other than hang out but
1:10:07btdubs remember Liam Neeson well hold on
1:10:11hold on
1:10:12ok so so uh so any meanwhile there is
1:10:15another right so we've got her stashed
1:10:18away somewhere else but then before you
1:10:21go to go as he says he says clygon has
1:10:25figured out how to become a ghost
1:10:29you should talk to about it's totally
1:10:31cool yeah it's awesome even was that
1:10:34present well that's like are so that's
1:10:36how ob1 talk to Luke all along he
1:10:40learned it from the ghost of qui gonn
1:10:42they have three movies and they didn't
1:10:43show that anywhere it's like what we
1:10:44know in the original trilogy this all
1:10:46starts to go stalking from ben and if it
1:10:48had three movies to either establish
1:10:50that as a normal Jedi thing or make it a
1:10:52special thing on his way to the last 30
1:10:53seconds of the third movie they actually
1:10:55talk about that like one episode one
1:10:57i'm out i remember reading an interview
1:10:59where he's like oh yeah you see qui gonn
1:11:01dies but you still see his body
1:11:02we're gonna explain why he doesn't join
1:11:05the force like obi-wan does and like I
1:11:07remember waiting for that and they
1:11:08literally shoehorn it into the left's
1:11:10two minutes of the movie and don't even
1:11:12really explain it
1:11:13you know one of those things that did
1:11:14not need an explanation no no just just
1:11:17like that missing planet that the only
1:11:19went into the Jedi library to find the
1:11:20right out like okay I can you know how
1:11:23did why did they erase that well you
1:11:25know is a computer but anyway look at
1:11:27this point we don't have any other
1:11:28Young's to ask the answer
1:11:30no prob now so so qui gonn who we've
1:11:33never heard from Racine is apparently
1:11:35still talking to Yoda and has become a
1:11:37ghost clone or not it but not to his
1:11:39apprentice so i think we established he
1:11:41hates at the beginning the first
1:11:42yeah yeah so the late so they leave the
1:11:45droids in the care of the captain wiping
1:11:49threepio's mind while they have that
1:11:51Padme funeral where she's very creepily
1:11:53holding the thing a child Anakin gave
1:11:55her and we're supposed to feel like this
1:11:57is a romantic sign of loss that just
1:11:58made me think about the creepy age
1:11:59difference again that i always think
1:12:02that that close-up is
1:12:03Hey look we've made her look pregnant so
1:12:05that no one thinks she's here that is
1:12:07that is what it is yeah
1:12:09wait that doesn't make any sense and we
1:12:11see Jar Jar at the funeral and we're
1:12:12reminded that it's all jar jar's fault
1:12:14yes accurate the droid thing wipe only
1:12:18threepio's braid r2d2 like laughs at it
1:12:20yeah or it is like arguing you can't
1:12:22talk you just those bleeps and bloops
1:12:24that no one except for every protocol
1:12:25droid in the universe can understand
1:12:26exactly what you might be important I
1:12:29just like the idea that r2d2 spends the
1:12:30rest like the next 15-20 years griefing
1:12:32c-3po but remember that time we do you
1:12:35want to remember what you if Archie's
1:12:37you could roll his eyes they would be
1:12:38constantly rolling it's just like we do
1:12:41I feel like he says he who a lot in the
1:12:44next couple of years were captain
1:12:46Antilles two last things to do okay
1:12:49first off we need to we need to address
1:12:50not only does the Emperor say in your
1:12:52anger you killed her but we get to hear
1:12:55James Earl Jones asked about about Padme
1:12:58in the famous Darth Vader voice and then
1:13:01we get a dot and then we get the moment
1:13:04which is after he discovers the padma is
1:13:07dead Darth Vader badass villain of the
1:13:09universe
1:13:10says no it's not complete without the
1:13:16stumble out of his little his little
1:13:18prison table oh yeah breaks out all the
1:13:20wrinkles Frankenstein's monster
1:13:21stylishly Frankenstein's yeah I see
1:13:24here's the thing i thought it would be
1:13:25so much cooler if we saw it like a
1:13:27primitive version of his armor like not
1:13:29having him just on like I'm Darth Vader
1:13:31remember me but like like yours from
1:13:33your action figure remember that
1:13:34Taylor's they had would have been
1:13:36awesome in the mask and the stuff all
1:13:37ready to go unless they've got like some
1:13:393d printers in the back or something or
1:13:41that's a standard mask and they're like
1:13:43eight guys who got breathing problems
1:13:45and nothing
1:13:46yeah that's just a sleep apnea mask is
1:13:48this is another place where I I I wish
1:13:51to myself that the prequels head and
1:13:53suck so bad because the shot of the mask
1:13:55sliding into place and the breathing
1:13:56starting up would have been really
1:13:59really great i grieve this film had been
1:14:01different than earned yeah what yeah i
1:14:03wasn't i think i wrote my notes that's
1:14:05the capper man like it's the point where
1:14:06it's like it's just this really happened
1:14:09this is actually how this all plays out
1:14:10this is actually cannon ah I drink the
1:14:13entire bottle of whiskey
1:14:15that's the end of the no drinking game
1:14:18is after you see the scene just drink
1:14:20until you pass out night I think the
1:14:23scene the scene as we end up with is the
1:14:25real capper to the movies the
1:14:27appropriate end but i I just I i
1:14:29disremember like exactly right in that
1:14:32was in that theater i can rewrite the
1:14:34movie as you go but this was almost like
1:14:36a painful thing to watch like that's not
1:14:38what happened he doesn't know it's like
1:14:41what if you really want your not later
1:14:44if you really want to set them up for
1:14:46episode 4 he pauses for a second and
1:14:49then says good
1:14:51oh that would be pro yeah see but no bad
1:14:54because then he started favor and send
1:14:55this is my for my opening statement this
1:14:57is not this does not Darth Vader the end
1:15:00in 20 years of of going around and
1:15:02kicking around because he got fooled
1:15:04into doing this and his wife died and
1:15:05now he's trapped in this suit I just
1:15:07don't feel like that d Glee the darth
1:15:10vader brings to being the enforcer of
1:15:13the Emperor's will across the galaxy and
1:15:16strangling people for displeasing him I
1:15:18just have a hard time drawing a line
1:15:20from this guy to that guy do
1:15:23this is an antique never grows up and it
1:15:25never becomes an adult he is always the
1:15:26little kid the little brother
1:15:28the kid who did I could he'd never
1:15:30becomes fully adult and the any just
1:15:33replaces one authority figure with
1:15:34another he never becomes Darth Vader he
1:15:36really is like that kid in that focus
1:15:38wagon super bowl ad that's what I really
1:15:40think we have yes he is he's dressed
1:15:42like guess he's dressed like darth vader
1:15:44but he's not third fader that's cute
1:15:46honey that's cute on you like you I like
1:15:47your darth vader costume night my kid
1:15:49had more gusto than this Vader it's
1:15:52really more like the kid who got crushed
1:15:53by the flat screen TV
1:15:55it can i mentioned the creepy targeting
1:15:57stand-in at the asbury you because this
1:15:59place because this was the other the
1:16:00other scene we've got is we've got the
1:16:02dossier around the ship and we got the
1:16:03guys and they're out in their death star
1:16:05outfits and we see the structure of the
1:16:07frame of the death star being built for
1:16:0820 years to build that thing but only a
1:16:11couple of minutes to blow it up
1:16:12uh-uh-uh and there's a weird there I
1:16:16thought it was a guy who's supposed to
1:16:17put you in the mind of Tarkin but they
1:16:19made up a guy to look like Peter Cushing
1:16:21they made a model is friday look like
1:16:23they're shutting his corpse maybe like a
1:16:25cgi model rubber mommy could have saved
1:16:27a lot of time and I was really curious
1:16:29about is my google this guy down like he
1:16:31looks nothing like him but there's all
1:16:33these pictures online of like the tart
1:16:35like an actual promo shot of him as
1:16:37target he's not identified as such in
1:16:38dialogue only in the credits appearance
1:16:40for what 10 seconds maybe look at all
1:16:42the time they spent making him up to
1:16:44look like a character just so we can
1:16:45have that link remember those movies you
1:16:47love ya and it's between that darth
1:16:50vader standing on the bridge of a Star
1:16:51Destroyer equivalent the candy for like
1:16:55you know the scene in there we have all
1:16:56these things that are like alright we're
1:16:58wrapping it up you get everything back
1:16:59and then the capper which is we're going
1:17:01to stand on Tatooine in the exact same
1:17:04spot that Luke will stand 20 years from
1:17:06now
1:17:06no they're not going to stand on how to
1:17:08win this this is why was the capper a
1:17:10binary sunset was outdoors this looks
1:17:13for all the world like they're in front
1:17:14of a green screen but it states the
1:17:15transparent attempt to call back ends
1:17:17the best seen in the entire trilogy yet
1:17:20now that they're trying to do that but i
1:17:21think it's emblematic of like they took
1:17:23a scene that was like one of the most
1:17:25naturalistic scenes a new hope right
1:17:27where is actual someone in you know
1:17:29where was ten the actual binding outside
1:17:32on location and they said how can we
1:17:34rekindle that magic I know green screen
1:17:37no that's not how you do it basically
1:17:40they say f it up to the very last drop
1:17:43but you can see what they're trying to
1:17:44do here right this is your montage of
1:17:46memories from the beginning of Star Wars
1:17:48and we're gonna we're gonna grab it and
1:17:50I get ready totally see Luke on tatooine
1:17:53with binary sunset as the last shot a
1:17:56movie you know very early on there like
1:17:58that's the last shot of the movie we
1:17:59just have to get there it shouldn't be
1:18:01too hard right it'll be okay we get
1:18:03there right we did so well with the
1:18:04first two movies we got this one right
1:18:05close your eyes think of Star Wars so
1:18:08it's so ham-fisted is especially the
1:18:10thinking and I and I don't understand
1:18:12why the green screen like the head
1:18:13location shooting there didn't they say
1:18:15Fred they left and forgot to get that
1:18:17shot crap we got to put that one of the
1:18:19schedule allergies doing post and i
1:18:20don't i don't know if it's all green
1:18:22screen think some of it maybe location
1:18:23but there are definitely shots in that
1:18:25for all the world looks like they're in
1:18:26front of a green screen is that like
1:18:27there's no way Lucas at the tunisia
1:18:29again like my understanding was that
1:18:31they shot those scenes during the
1:18:32shooting of episode two
1:18:34we're usually they just didn't know
1:18:35those things were going to be in there
1:18:37and they dropped a man yeah but it
1:18:38doesn't it digitally ancestors fails it
1:18:41fails on so many levels it's a microcosm
1:18:43it's a science emblematic of the
1:18:45failings of this you know not just the
1:18:47plot feelings but this is emblematic of
1:18:48the aesthetic failings of the movie with
1:18:50all that the cg unnecessary cg and
1:18:53people in front of green screens and
1:18:54failing to evoke emotions by doing
1:18:56something in a way that that is not
1:18:58naturalistic yeah we think we can it we
1:19:00think we can improve upon what is
1:19:02natural by like carefully controlling
1:19:05every single element that goes into it
1:19:07to make a perfect thing right but
1:19:09whereas what was great about the
1:19:11original in some way where its flaws
1:19:13where its natural like the things that
1:19:15were limitations of the time that meant
1:19:17that they had to find workarounds that
1:19:18what that's what made that one succeed
1:19:20when it turns out when you can control
1:19:21the entire environment everything feels
1:19:23sterile and dumb
1:19:24well let's see if they could do it
1:19:25better if they could make it so i
1:19:27thought they were on location
1:19:28more power to him but they couldn't they
1:19:30could I didn't pull it off right it's
1:19:32like I don't mind them trying to say
1:19:34we're never going to get this perfect
1:19:35magic our sunset will make one up if you
1:19:37can convince me that they're really
1:19:38there i'll buy it but if you can't
1:19:40convince me don't do it just shoot them
1:19:42on location
1:19:43you just got you know you gotta do what
1:19:44you gotta do to anyway this is such a
1:19:46minor point in a movie that has so many
1:19:48major things wrong with it was just like
1:19:50one little step is like by the way we
1:19:52can screw up scenes instance in big ways
1:19:54and small and here's just one little
1:19:56sharp poke a stick before we leave
1:19:58never have I been less excited to hear
1:20:00the jaunty star wars end music and so
1:20:04the three
1:20:05yeah hey it's over and I kept thinking
1:20:08ugh just like a good why did I that's it
1:20:11for the last hour and twenty as being
1:20:13punched in the face yeah with no respite
1:20:15of any kind when you're praying for
1:20:18stupid c-3po puns
1:20:20you know I know you've been ruined that
1:20:22is dad's that's a bad place to be
1:20:24I felt I felt 30 but i did actually
1:20:26wonder where the terrible c-3po puns
1:20:28where Anthony Daniels i guess that i
1:20:30checked out after episode 27 by spent
1:20:31all the episodes free pretty much
1:20:33checked out and yes I get kind of rolls
1:20:35over me and just like wake up long
1:20:37enough to be angry about bad writing and
1:20:39stupidity but it's just like this and
1:20:41then they didn't do anything to make me
1:20:43like I remember watching us in the
1:20:45theater for the very first time in like
1:20:46I wasn't trying to be standoffish I
1:20:48wasn't being like I'm going to go in and
1:20:50I'm gonna hate this like I'm you know
1:20:51I'm paying to see the movie i'm willing
1:20:54to be up to let the movie take me but it
1:20:56never even never even made a little like
1:20:58tentative gesture towards my
1:20:59heartstrings and like didn't even come
1:21:01close it was just like every part of
1:21:03that is me my no hang-ups part of that
1:21:06is the first two movies maybe being
1:21:07unfair to it but just looking at the
1:21:09movie again without all those hang-ups I
1:21:11felt like it still didn't grab me that
1:21:13clearance the closest I got was maybe
1:21:15like the opera scene where you see some
1:21:16good performances and then as andy said
1:21:19we just spend the rest of the movie
1:21:20making your own movie in your head they
1:21:21would've been better than this
1:21:22yeah the worst thing for me is that it
1:21:24didn't even like episode 1 i'm i
1:21:26actually liked but I realized that I I
1:21:30admit this out right so much of that
1:21:33fondness is because of nostalgia with
1:21:36episode 3 it wasn't even value to me as
1:21:40a nostalgic piece it was this what this
1:21:42wasn't Star Wars this wasn't kept these
1:21:44were characters that I really like and I
1:21:46couldn't even really evaluate this as
1:21:48bad storytelling does this look like
1:21:50here that the ear the that the the line
1:21:53that this is the this
1:21:54is so wrong it's not even wrong it's so
1:21:57that's how not right this is I do
1:22:00does anybody want to place this among
1:22:03the sequel among the prequels it where
1:22:06does this one ranked what what's the
1:22:07what's the best and the worst i mean
1:22:09there is this common thought out there
1:22:11the this is the somehow the best of the
1:22:14of the prequels uh I know we've heard
1:22:17some somehow somebody's opinion here I
1:22:19I'll go first and I'll say you know what
1:22:21for all the terrible things about
1:22:22episode 1i think kind of that episode
1:22:25one is the best one only because in some
1:22:27ways it's not as offensive it is a dumb
1:22:30kids movie family moving but you know
1:22:33it's got the pie and the Padres goes on
1:22:35too long but the i can i can actually
1:22:38like recall what happens in episode 1
1:22:41and it's got some things that are ok and
1:22:43it and it's got some things that are bad
1:22:44and that Lake groundwork for worse but
1:22:47in the grand scheme of things having
1:22:48revisited all of them now I kind of
1:22:50think it's the least offensive of the
1:22:52bunch
1:22:53it also has the benefit of being the one
1:22:54that you can completely separate from
1:22:56star wars in your mind
1:22:58yeah really you know I can separate all
1:23:00three of them but even more so like
1:23:01seven is the child the child Anakin
1:23:03doesn't even connect with the adult
1:23:04anacott so it's like this whole
1:23:06undertaking world that took place in a
1:23:08movie that happen to have lightsabers i
1:23:10can go back and go better than that the
1:23:13it's I think that episode one is my
1:23:15favorite of the three and I think its
1:23:16sexy again I actually enjoyed it partly
1:23:18because even if we divorce it completely
1:23:21from Star Wars i can name a bunch of
1:23:23scenes that I absolutely love like the
1:23:25opening scenes were if you we we see
1:23:27quite on and Anakin escapes from McCann
1:23:30and obi-wan for the first time and they
1:23:32are absolute badass Jedi which we have
1:23:35never suit with what we were used to the
1:23:37elderly lovely don't give into hatred
1:23:40now we want to think very carefully and
1:23:43it's like no they're badasses who will
1:23:45plunge a lightsaber through a three foot
1:23:473 foot what a thick door a carved a hole
1:23:51in it to get at the people on the other
1:23:53side of that door the the battle between
1:23:56between our guys and and Darth Maul I'll
1:24:00against its kind of it's kind of silly
1:24:02to have these berries that drop-down
1:24:03really for no mechanical reason but
1:24:07you realize that wow this is like
1:24:09furious furious hand-to-hand battle that
1:24:12has to stop and you had see you see
1:24:14these two groups of people that like are
1:24:16like caged Tigers just like waiting for
1:24:19this barrier to drop so that they can
1:24:21start fighting again it had it had
1:24:22moments like that where i could say i
1:24:24really enjoyed those scenes even the art
1:24:26direction I i like the whatever they
1:24:28shot in Italy all those interiors and
1:24:31exterior of Naboo with that it's all
1:24:34about Italian architecture that it feels
1:24:36those were felt like real spaces and
1:24:38we're kind of interesting to look at in
1:24:39a way that in later movies it's all just
1:24:42digital you know imaginary digital
1:24:45worlds with people dropped into
1:24:46backdrops and and I don't want to say
1:24:49too much positive about episode 1 I
1:24:50don't think it's a good movie i didn't
1:24:51really like it i think i think it could
1:24:54have been edited much better but
1:24:57compared to the other two anyway what it
1:24:59what other people think we're just
1:25:00episode 3 ranked among the the prequels
1:25:03that's better than episode 2 that's
1:25:05first i'm only trouble placing with
1:25:07episode 2 because like I found episode
1:25:093i found in both very forgettable
1:25:12but if you force me to watch either
1:25:14episode with two or three again I would
1:25:17probably and maybe just realized i saw
1:25:19three i would probably pick to be forced
1:25:21to watch it like they're don't like
1:25:22either one of them it's like would if
1:25:24you had to pick up some sleep episode 12
1:25:26sighs I can adjust Rank 2 and 3 against
1:25:27each other
1:25:28someone said you have to watch one of
1:25:29the prequels and it's like six months
1:25:31from now see didn't just watching one
1:25:32which one would you choose to watch two
1:25:34or three two because you can kiss kind
1:25:35of zone out guys
1:25:38I don't like sand haha i know but listen
1:25:41just had the same terrible line below
1:25:43loves there was a time that I would have
1:25:45said too because i really liked the the
1:25:49Camino stuff but when we watched it the
1:25:52community stuff doesn't look it doesn't
1:25:54look as good now as it did back there
1:25:55now it looks just kind of crowded I is
1:25:58packed with Steve was saying that like
1:25:59the second half of this movie is just
1:26:01just entertain greenery
1:26:03yeah it's not entertained I don't care
1:26:04about that locker room i love dark grim
1:26:06things i hope this is my wife isn't real
1:26:08and gritty in a good way this is andrea
1:26:10morning mars-like watch it is not
1:26:12entertaining because I don't get a grim
1:26:14things only work if you're like if
1:26:16you're caught up in it like oh
1:26:17this is terrible i could you like that
1:26:18type of thing but if you're not caught
1:26:19up with it is just not entertaining
1:26:21there's nothing there to entertain you
1:26:23it's a tough call but i suspect i would
1:26:24i would probably go with three as
1:26:27preferable because even though i don't
1:26:28enjoy watching and especially that last
1:26:30hour or so there's at least a changes up
1:26:33periodically where episode 2 is just
1:26:35video game sequence after videogame
1:26:37sequence after videogame sequence and
1:26:40here the baddies I little bit of change
1:26:42in tone a little bit change in pace
1:26:44I don't enjoy any of it but episode 2
1:26:47honestly it makes me avert my eyes it
1:26:49certainly is because i'm just so tired
1:26:51of seeing the cgi thrust at me
1:26:53constantly creepy and I can i was i
1:26:56think it was thinking episode to wonder
1:26:58what would ever want to see you again
1:27:00about episode 2 like why would I
1:27:01possibly pick that over three this
1:27:03Coliseum scene has them running away
1:27:05from monsters for ya but I'm trying to
1:27:07think of an end of an episode of tv
1:27:08wonder what do I seem to have that I
1:27:10want to see you again maybe the space
1:27:12battle line to get this thing about the
1:27:13movie and you get a ram chip
1:27:14yeah maybe the space battle I'd want to
1:27:17see ships flying around cuz i like the
1:27:19ships but it's like that anyway that all
1:27:20this is to say that that i would
1:27:22probably put episode 1 above the two
1:27:24because i can think of two things in
1:27:25episode one that i want to see again the
1:27:26lightsaber battle which no one speaks
1:27:28and it's a good life three pounds book
1:27:30well choreographed and I guess I like
1:27:33the podrace you know again a lot of
1:27:35dialogue and they race around sort of
1:27:36the rest of movies execrable and yeah
1:27:39thats i would probably say episode 1 is
1:27:41first then two and three are in a dead
1:27:42heat for second but I would never watch
1:27:44anything i think i think what I'd say is
1:27:46episode 2 has some better stuff in it
1:27:49than three but it also has some really
1:27:51nails really terrible stuff and well um
1:27:55I like i said i like the rain the rain
1:27:57planet seen a lot i was good i think the
1:27:59coliseum with the monsters part is ok
1:28:02then of course all the just show up and
1:28:05it's stupid but also that c-3po cracking
1:28:08jokes and little about oh my god that is
1:28:10so good but so this is what i'm saying
1:28:11is i think there's I think there's
1:28:13better and worse stuff into than 3
1:28:15whereas in three I look at a time just
1:28:17like me you know
1:28:18well tell us what what do I want to go
1:28:20back and watch an episode 3 and I can't
1:28:23even I can't pick out a single thing i
1:28:25agree with you on Episode one though
1:28:27it's not depressing and it's not
1:28:30entirely bored
1:28:31which puts it above both of the other
1:28:32films for me yeah unlike us if you are
1:28:35not required to opportunities that some
1:28:37sort of strange podcast torture
1:28:39experiment by an evil mastermind uh-huh
1:28:41then you don't have to watch these ever
1:28:43again and neither do i I never have the
1:28:45watch is ever getting in there this is
1:28:47what I was gonna say is good news
1:28:48everybody
1:28:49you never have to watch the prequels
1:28:50ever and again
1:28:53yeah that's my goal when the force
1:28:54awakens it is going to have one hell of
1:28:56a hangover is well what was the last 20
1:29:00years back
1:29:01jeez I don't remember anything after the
1:29:03equal he walks i scratched out after he
1:29:06walks that was in that blue milk
1:29:10the thing that I alluded to in the in
1:29:12the in the preamble to this
1:29:14yeah I have one really good thing to
1:29:16thank you so did 34 because when we when
1:29:20we were when we schedule this I had a
1:29:23dim memory that maybe I might have
1:29:25bought episode three on DVD like getting
1:29:29used DVD so or something me to about it
1:29:33i bought it used on like five years ago
1:29:35and it just SAT and exactly it's like
1:29:37it's at least as I i distinctly remember
1:29:39i might have bought but never watch it i
1:29:42just bought it because ok for five bucks
1:29:43I will have it and so I looked through
1:29:45like my DVD collection couldn't find it
1:29:47then look through that box that I have
1:29:49of dvds that never made it onto the
1:29:51shelf and then finally made it to well I
1:29:55that is I think there's like a box full
1:29:57of kind of dvds from stuff for my last
1:29:59move like you know like eight years ago
1:30:01or whenever for whatever what the the
1:30:04DMV your cleaning up or just things go
1:30:07into boxes finally 5k there it is
1:30:09follow their that must be here is like
1:30:11episode Star Wars like d.video is still
1:30:13in shrinkwrap just I thought what I
1:30:16found and I would not have found these
1:30:18because they would they were all the way
1:30:19in the garage
1:30:21unless i was searching for episode 3 was
1:30:23I've totally forgot that i'd bought on
1:30:27DVD during like they 13 days it was
1:30:30available for sale
1:30:32the actual uncut the actual theatrical
1:30:35releases of episode 4 5 6 on DVD paired
1:30:39with the restored additions and
1:30:41prohibitions but I had been like I
1:30:44that must have must been really busy
1:30:46when i bought these I had never even
1:30:48opened them and that and now i have on
1:30:51my media server copies of the theatrical
1:30:53releases of the Holy trilogy that I
1:30:56would not have had enough in searching
1:30:58for episode 3 you got the gout
1:31:01yeah georges georges original on also
1:31:04trilogy that's what that's called you
1:31:05that you found the Geo UT I I like holy
1:31:08trilogy I think it's more respectful
1:31:10bear more reverent and i would recommend
1:31:12that if you people always ask me what
1:31:15they should watch for the Star Wars
1:31:16movies that in there like what should i
1:31:18buy or whatever I said buy whatever you
1:31:19want to buy the blu rays or whatever so
1:31:21you feel like you have a morally
1:31:22fulfilled your obligation to give money
1:31:24to the people who made these movies and
1:31:26then go download army specialized
1:31:28edition yeah right now then and that's
1:31:30that's what I keep in my you know if I
1:31:32want to watch Star Wars that's what I
1:31:33watch and I have bought all of the
1:31:35plastic discs with these things on the
1:31:37many of times over
1:31:38so I feel my obligation to Lucasfilm
1:31:40whatever the owners are is more than
1:31:42fulfilled as I bodies movies again and
1:31:44again but i don't watch but Harvey's to
1:31:46specialized is the way to go
1:31:48they look the they're the best looking
1:31:49and it incredible technical job to put
1:31:53them all together based on all these
1:31:55different sources and color corrected
1:31:56and it is the closest you're gonna get
1:31:58to the original idea of what the trilogy
1:32:01is supposed to be at the highest quality
1:32:04and that's the problem with the gout
1:32:06ones they're not great quality right
1:32:08yeah yeah but the harmonies it's that
1:32:11they're taking blu-ray sources and HD TV
1:32:13broadcasts or Alive no meter from
1:32:16Princess laser discs are all these
1:32:18different sources and putting them
1:32:20together and actually in all those
1:32:22sources in the same shot matting things
1:32:24out and occasionally you'll see a light
1:32:26or you know you get the you have the
1:32:27same speed of the landspeeder going by
1:32:29and like parts of it are fuzzier than
1:32:31other parts but it is that's what I look
1:32:33like in the original an awful may look
1:32:34like a smeared Vaseline underneath yeah
1:32:36it was not get like a recent yeah they
1:32:39did but it's a that's the way to go
1:32:40don't you obsessive nerds on the
1:32:42internet I know it's amazing that's
1:32:44that's what the Internet's point it's
1:32:45probably your brain rebels against it
1:32:47and I do i also have the that I also
1:32:49have the fixed if you the special
1:32:51editions but every time I i I'm not even
1:32:53capable of judging it critically because
1:32:56every time something have
1:32:57and in episodes 4 5 & 6 that i do not
1:33:01remember happening for the 20 years in
1:33:03which I saw the classic edition the
1:33:05brain says wait that's wrong that's the
1:33:07at that didn't happen that way and so
1:33:09whatever you have to do to get the
1:33:11theatrical release is worth whatever you
1:33:14have to do to get it for me
1:33:16we're giving you carte blanche internet
1:33:18we forgive you
1:33:21yes do what you must do it I can think
1:33:24of no better way to end this opus this
1:33:28this adventure we've taken through all
1:33:32six existing Star Wars movies just in
1:33:35time for a seventh to arrive this
1:33:38december i don't know what we're gonna
1:33:41do about that but probably talk about it
1:33:43stay tuned for 18 consecutive hours of a
1:33:47telethon about our new sub bass Jason
1:33:50the force awakens sub-caste coming in
1:33:52there's absolutely no way this one is
1:33:54going to suck a chance to make sure this
1:33:58time for sure this time for sure they
1:34:00should call this one can't possibly suck
1:34:02so thank you to my fellow adventurers
1:34:04and Ian Coates been pleasure
1:34:05oh god that was fun Steve let's thanks
1:34:08for taking this journey through the
1:34:09prequels especially with us at an end
1:34:11this podcast is and not short enough it
1:34:13was as serenity Caldwell a pleasure as
1:34:17always thank you for for talking about
1:34:19all these star wars movies with me be
1:34:22that's a good trick did more in thank
1:34:27you very much
1:34:29the pain is slowly subsiding finally
1:34:31after these many years John siracusa
1:34:34thank you i was thinking just to be safe
1:34:37there should be no couches in episode 7
1:34:39no couches that would make me feel more
1:34:41comfortable and anyway for the
1:34:43incomparable I've been Jason Snelling to
1:34:46exile I must go failed i have with you
1:34:49next time