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0:00:02the entire little number 238 mar 2015

0:00:13welcome back to part two of the

0:00:15incomparable drive-by shooting of star

0:00:19wars episode III Revenge of the Sith i'm

0:00:23your host Jason Snell this is part two

0:00:25part 1 was last week if you hadn't

0:00:27listened part1 yet you should because

0:00:29you're missing our hour-and-a-half where

0:00:31we talked about barely passed the crawl

0:00:33but we've got the rest of the movie our

0:00:36last of the prequel trilogy ready to go

0:00:40my guests are Dan Morgan John siracusa

0:00:43serenity Caldwell Steve let's and andy

0:00:46and not coming can we pause on the like

0:00:48the kitchen stuff kazoo please callprice

0:00:50proper name

0:00:51zoom zoom that's not a name and let's

0:00:54talk about the the next Palpatine Anakin

0:00:57scene which work that because that is

0:00:59the one actually for me that's the

0:01:02that's the scene in the movie that I

0:01:03actually love where Anakin finds out

0:01:07that Palpatine is a Sith Lord and that's

0:01:09that's the only moment of betrayal that

0:01:12sort of feels real and feels true all I

0:01:15don't understand why he doesn't

0:01:16immediately just you know put them in

0:01:18shackles and walks away but don't you

0:01:20feel like it's the scene is the scene

0:01:22from the wrong trousers the boss and

0:01:23ground we were faster or takes out the

0:01:25rubber glove and and walls because I got

0:01:27it daddy we have so you wanna sit Lord

0:01:30but yes you'd like anna has the last one

0:01:32of the galaxy to figure that out

0:01:34no no one else in the galaxy is figured

0:01:36just the audio well they should have

0:01:38everybody should know else because

0:01:40everybody's been hoodwinked can you tell

0:01:42i'm a Sith Lord now how about now back

0:01:44now how about now haha

0:01:47there could be such a good rifftrax

0:01:48version of the scene that we could make

0:01:50but I really do feel like there are

0:01:52again it's the scene itself is not

0:01:54perfect but there are elements to the

0:01:58the way that he slowly kind of spins out

0:02:00who he is when he talks about Padme and

0:02:03we talked about there are things that

0:02:04can be done and again really praying on

0:02:07his trust to the point where Anakin is

0:02:09legitimately legitimately like holy crap

0:02:12you're crazy person

0:02:13why have I been listening to you your

0:02:15your horrible any I must inform the Jedi

0:02:17Council you know I'm i feel horribly

0:02:20betrayed like this is it again a scene

0:02:23from an alternate movie a much better

0:02:25movie where

0:02:26Palpatine is his mentor and his idol and

0:02:29then all of a sudden Palpatine basically

0:02:31in a in a way to try and help him and

0:02:34pull him over to his worldview kind of

0:02:36reveals too much his hand Anakin's like

0:02:38whoa ok you know you've made my decision

0:02:41a lot easier i'm gonna go to the Jedi

0:02:43Council now like that that pulled me

0:02:45into the movie and then of course the

0:02:46whole Jedi Council saying is done

0:02:48because a UH mechanical sensors yeah

0:02:52they have good they have hologram google

0:02:53hangouts though that's well i'm curious

0:02:56what if you're going to check in

0:02:57remotely to the Jedi Council do you have

0:02:59to sit in a similar chair in order to

0:03:00generate or just hollow skype

0:03:03automatically more for you into a proper

0:03:04comfortably seated position no that's

0:03:06not what I started to give you something

0:03:08like are they sitting in your same the

0:03:10hologram is a filter are in the chairs

0:03:13that's how it works is this is this just

0:03:15like this that chat cam is fitted with

0:03:17microsoft hololens like they're not

0:03:18actually there

0:03:20yeah that was not very nice at the

0:03:22wookies procured a yoda sized hollow

0:03:24chairs they did well he know his people

0:03:26bring that along with him

0:03:28grotius in his little almond shaped

0:03:30spaceship yes

0:03:31incidentally my favorite my favorite

0:03:33quote from that second Anakin Palpatine

0:03:35is i think is that where he says you

0:03:37know that dark side and my first thought

0:03:39was yeah i'm at once or twice you know

0:03:40in a bar

0:03:41nothing serious maybe you've heard of it

0:03:43how does it work I'm a relief carving in

0:03:45the background of that they're like this

0:03:47another and another setting with it like

0:03:48the opposite staging i thought was

0:03:50interesting and so was them having this

0:03:52confrontation little Dan front of that

0:03:54in front of that carving the that this

0:03:57that's actually the scene where I wrote

0:03:58down the McDermott is pretty good but my

0:04:00problem with its ready you're exactly

0:04:02right that the issue isn't with the

0:04:03scene

0:04:04the issue is with you have not earned

0:04:06that scene yet because because what we

0:04:09want to see is Anakin feet feeling like

0:04:12he trusts that the Chancellor and that

0:04:14and that when he reveals to him that

0:04:16he's a Sith Lord he already knows he's

0:04:18come along

0:04:19he's completely bought in instead of it

0:04:21being like he's kind of a bumpkin who

0:04:23needs to figure it out he should be with

0:04:25him there and you need for him to want

0:04:27something you need to i want something

0:04:29impossible and believable for this big

0:04:30notion like I had a dream a couple

0:04:32seasons ago now

0:04:32but totally convinced my wife is gonna

0:04:34die and I'm also totally convinced the

0:04:35only way I can stop her from dying is

0:04:37going to the dark side and killing

0:04:38children like this is nonsensical like

0:04:40it doesn't

0:04:41there is nothing he wants I want to

0:04:42believe that he has been truly would and

0:04:44he is a full-on believer in the cause

0:04:47here and not that he's using it as a

0:04:48means to an end and that's what it is

0:04:50I i just think that it's so it will be

0:04:52so much stronger if even the audience is

0:04:55now sort of questioning that she would

0:04:57we've always our opinion of the Jedi has

0:05:00been formed based on the Holy trilogy

0:05:02these two Jedi that we're familiar with

0:05:04that are very very good people

0:05:06what if like the rest of them are kind

0:05:08of jerks that they that they sort of

0:05:10came up from it would be so much easier

0:05:11and so much more interesting as the

0:05:13audience if it were like and Anakin is

0:05:16like a conservative Democrat Palpatine

0:05:18is it considered I'm sorry's of moderate

0:05:20Democrat Party is a moderate Republican

0:05:22where it is so easy to simply say that

0:05:26to make that little ships well you know

0:05:28these people have but the the people on

0:05:30the other end of the aisle have been

0:05:31demonized in my mind for so long

0:05:33actually now that I understand this one

0:05:35person and his point of view

0:05:37maybe I should be or maybe I should be a

0:05:39city instead of a Jedi and make us in

0:05:42the audience think you know actually the

0:05:44Jedi are kind of being jerks in that

0:05:46they're still kind of unfocused and what

0:05:47they're doing in love i love that you

0:05:49used a political metaphor there and

0:05:51because that's perfect i can hear

0:05:52Palpatine saying please and can caucus

0:05:54with my partner is a half cab and we

0:05:58think that single pads doomed to fail

0:06:01it's supposed to be politics in the

0:06:02movie anyway yeah exactly use a metaphor

0:06:04to explain it because it's so far

0:06:06distant from actual politics that's what

0:06:08it's actually supposed to be it's

0:06:09supposed to actually ioa clearly see my

0:06:11way this is a perfect place for the

0:06:13worth of the use of death panels and yet

0:06:15nobody even once

0:06:16what what what I actually went to the

0:06:18with the death panels of one of this

0:06:20lightsaber could not cut through that

0:06:21we're talking there those are ratios

0:06:23close though ratio and I must go now i

0:06:26am about to do a filibuster and I will

0:06:30be back now he's gotta go back into his

0:06:32office and call people for money for

0:06:33nothing bro

0:06:34disclosure i will be back I've got to

0:06:36jc's pancake breakfast I actually feel

0:06:40that it's okay that he's not wounded in

0:06:43this scene i actually I like the fact

0:06:45that Anakin is like I've bought into so

0:06:48much of your bullshit and now that you

0:06:50know now that you're actually pulling

0:06:52back your your your hood so to speak

0:06:55I'm actually horrified i like that you

0:06:58know he's he's antagonistic is like I I

0:07:01want to kill you I I need to like this

0:07:04is this is awful i need to go away i

0:07:06need some time to think because the

0:07:08again that there's a scene in this movie

0:07:10that almost works and doesn't as for

0:07:14tiny tiny fraction of a second but

0:07:16Palpatine is even playing here because

0:07:17Papa Gino's this is going to be as

0:07:19reaction wants him to go back yet go

0:07:21back to the Jedi and set like it's he's

0:07:23setting up the next scene which has its

0:07:24own major problems but he is setting up

0:07:26well the next the next scene does have

0:07:28its major problems but this is the again

0:07:30the the fantasy arc that i want for

0:07:32Anakin worries like i trust Palpatine

0:07:34Palpatine's betrayed me

0:07:36I'm going to the Jedi Council I've given

0:07:38this information to mace window

0:07:39he's doing this you know he's doing this

0:07:41and while he's doing this I start to get

0:07:43doubts because oh god you know maybe

0:07:46they'll kill him he's you know he is my

0:07:49father figure I should be there and then

0:07:52on top of that i have this worried about

0:07:53my wife and then you have him basically

0:07:56they're witnessing mace basically

0:07:59threatening to do what he was afraid of

0:08:01and in impure in anger in shock and like

0:08:05in I don't know what to do he ends up

0:08:08killing one of the greatest Jedi Masters

0:08:10alive

0:08:11that's the interesting thing though it's

0:08:13like if if you want to build that like

0:08:15in my in my fantasy universe and it can

0:08:18swap to the dark side is basically his

0:08:20complete and utter horror at i have

0:08:23fought like in a in a freak reaction

0:08:26I've given up all of my dread I training

0:08:28by killing this person and now i have i

0:08:30have sunk to the very lowest of the low

0:08:32and i don't know what to do with myself

0:08:34and I'm I'm completely shattered human

0:08:37being

0:08:37emergent over the line and now there's

0:08:39no way back exactly there

0:08:40the Jedi Council could never take me

0:08:42back what would ob1 think of me I have

0:08:44no what like what would Padme think of

0:08:46me I I

0:08:47don't know what to do i'm like if that

0:08:50is that is what i want and you get you

0:08:52get hints of it here in there you get

0:08:54hints of it in the previous scene and

0:08:55you get hints of it in the mace windu

0:08:57scene but then it all goes crazy because

0:08:59then he's like all right now I am upon i

0:09:01Ave you master forever i will be dark

0:09:04dark vader like it's bought it swaps way

0:09:06to lose weight too quickly but that's

0:09:07the movie i want but even the character

0:09:10came out of that you that was the movie

0:09:11that was there like the darth vader that

0:09:13came out of that it's like I've now gone

0:09:15too far I've made this terrible mistake

0:09:17and the Jedi will never take me back so

0:09:18I'm forced to go to the side that is not

0:09:20the the invader from a new hope you have

0:09:23a new hope is confident with it that

0:09:25he's doing what is necessary like he's a

0:09:28company man he is not like I've made a

0:09:30terrible mistake anam an outcast and I

0:09:31have to hang out with these losers he

0:09:33doesn't regret you know this is why you

0:09:35know so as long as we're talking fantasy

0:09:36versus this is this is why in my version

0:09:38of this i want to see the story where

0:09:41you actually split this into and you do

0:09:43the fall of Anakin Skywalker as you're

0:09:45doing the rise of darth vader darth

0:09:47vader operating from the shadows no one

0:09:49knows who this new Sith apprentices and

0:09:51you can actually do that in such a way

0:09:53that you can kind of maintain the the

0:09:55big reveal in Empire Strikes Back at

0:09:57that point because if you believe that

0:09:59the end of this movie not to get too far

0:10:01ahead in the third act but if you

0:10:02believe at the end of this movie that

0:10:03obi-wan is essentially let Anakin

0:10:05Skywalker died and that you know most

0:10:07people are in the dark as to Anakin

0:10:09Skywalker is Darth Vader there's still

0:10:11compelling interesting story to be told

0:10:13there and we have an interesting reveal

0:10:14later on where you know we think you

0:10:17know it's kind of a double fake out

0:10:19because if we think that obi-wan is

0:10:20essentially caused Anakin Skywalker to

0:10:22die then we're watching you know

0:10:24episodes of four and five with this

0:10:25whole different mindset like oh my god

0:10:27obi-wan is lying to him about Darth

0:10:28Vader killing his dad because actually

0:10:30it was only one who killed his dad so

0:10:32it's kind of like makes a great red

0:10:34herring track there and I think you know

0:10:36by having this as John pointed out you

0:10:37know Darth Vader supposed to be a

0:10:38willing participant in this so this

0:10:41doesn't really sell in some way but if

0:10:42you have the idea instead that the

0:10:43Emperor's trying to sort of extend his

0:10:45tendrils throughout it's entirely

0:10:47plausible that you would he's got like

0:10:48you know we've already seen three or

0:10:50four different apprentices for him right

0:10:51so you know if we've already got this

0:10:53idea that maybe he would have developed

0:10:55you know Anakin and sort of slowly

0:10:56rather than having this cataclysmic

0:10:58event

0:10:59during the rise of Darth Vader with the

0:11:00fall of the republic if Vader is sort of

0:11:02like seduced over before then and we

0:11:05sort of see him you know appearing in

0:11:07the armor or in like a mask or something

0:11:09that be straight trying to conceal his

0:11:11identity and maintain this dual life and

0:11:13feeling maybe you know not necessarily

0:11:15conflicted but essentially trying to

0:11:17hide from his wife and his friend what

0:11:19he is doing even though he believes it

0:11:20to be something that he needs to do like

0:11:22I think there's a far more compelling

0:11:23story there but that doesn't exist

0:11:26I think that would be really interesting

0:11:27with the exception of I don't think that

0:11:29he would ever kill children in that all

0:11:31that that's a whole separate yet seen is

0:11:33pointless property and cycling through

0:11:35Sith Lords like that's kind of like a

0:11:36running gag in his mouth yeah he goes on

0:11:39too many sick days but he can't make him

0:11:40stay

0:11:41that's that's something that I really

0:11:43wondered about because is this a case of

0:11:45musical chairs where Darth Vader became

0:11:47is the Emperor's right hand for 30 years

0:11:49simply because he was told he was the

0:11:51one left standing when he thought I'll

0:11:53or was laying down for an hour or was it

0:11:56or was it because Palpatine actually saw

0:11:59something in Anakin that he actually

0:12:02liked and respected saying that there's

0:12:04something I'm going to trust to be my

0:12:06again my fist throughout the galaxy

0:12:09this is the guy that I really want by my

0:12:11side when you finally going to discuss

0:12:13your legs guys the biggest dope this bit

0:12:15of the biggest cornhusk I've ever seen

0:12:17I've listed the issue right is that is

0:12:19that the the prequel trilogy Anakin you

0:12:22think Palpatine chosen because he's a

0:12:24convenient sucker

0:12:26whereas the original trilogy Darth Vader

0:12:28you think oh well he's the right hand

0:12:31because he's a he's a badass right but

0:12:33they don't connect they don't and like

0:12:35the whole idea is that the city like it

0:12:36it's the dynamically this presented the

0:12:38movies should be like that it's the

0:12:40strongest one and he also picks a strong

0:12:42as one and the other strong one

0:12:43eventually overthrows that one like the

0:12:45cycle repeats like it's you're trying to

0:12:46breed stronger and stronger since you're

0:12:48never going to pick a soccer because

0:12:50like why would you pick a sucker and

0:12:51went because you would always want the

0:12:53super powerful one and he has two he has

0:12:55to believe in the cause he has to be

0:12:58willing to like there can't be any the

0:13:00whole you know there is no conflict with

0:13:01the only time this there should be

0:13:03conflict invaders at the very end when

0:13:04Luke regimes and everybody's up that

0:13:06baby's got to be totally convinced of

0:13:07what he's doing is the right thing and

0:13:09you know

0:13:10it was kind of a shame when his wife

0:13:12died or was killed or however you want

0:13:14to happen but this is what the Galaxy

0:13:16needs like a dress that might address on

0:13:18this moment other than that you know if

0:13:20we go with the I create I created you

0:13:22using midi-chlorians you're my perfect

0:13:25you should be disappointed I created you

0:13:27and yours three dom medical reasons

0:13:29don't work i picked a random slave woman

0:13:32on Tatooine why I don't know the

0:13:34universe makes those joy is I created

0:13:36you and I wanted Michael but I got

0:13:38freedom I created you and I cannot

0:13:39create you

0:13:40let's go back to the real movie and I'm

0:13:43your only witness a fantasy movie we're

0:13:44gonna go back we're gonna go to Kashi

0:13:46core as we like to call it kazoo kazoo

0:13:48my the wookies are there my kids were

0:13:51watching at this point in there like AI

0:13:52remember this level from lego star wars

0:13:54so there's that

0:13:55it's now been at this point nearly 30

0:13:57minutes without a damn thing happening

0:13:59in the movie now and Steve to your point

0:14:01my note says 45 minutes in what is

0:14:03happening nothing is happening but then

0:14:05something happens for about 30 seconds

0:14:07and then nothing happens again yeah I

0:14:08think it's a really clever idea I i

0:14:10suspect that they are invading keshiki

0:14:13Ron life day because they're going to

0:14:14cash-strapped school keys off guard

0:14:17there is a big tree back in the

0:14:18background looks like it could be

0:14:19Chewbacca's tree it's possible we hear a

0:14:22really super cheesy Tarzan sound felt

0:14:25like that's the worst thing in the movie

0:14:26another riff 2 episode 6 which in that

0:14:30case yes also still kind of a dump truck

0:14:32super cheesy and we want talk to some

0:14:36clothes and takes off and yeah General

0:14:40Grievous is there at my notes at this

0:14:42point break down to this is all just

0:14:44nonsensical we show up but everything

0:14:46that happens in this movie is we show up

0:14:48at a random planet and then there's a

0:14:50plot thread and a fight that you have

0:14:53that you got the work is all behind

0:14:54their barrier and then once the thing

0:14:55start laying on the beach they'll jump

0:14:56over the barrier and then run down the

0:14:58beach to be shot at yeah I really like

0:15:00that uh obi-wan decides he needs to be

0:15:02really sneaky and so his choice get some

0:15:04reason to do that is to get on a giant

0:15:05list her rocker how ya feelin no

0:15:07senators yes John and I have the same

0:15:09notes it's a giant lizard that makes a

0:15:11loud high-pitched north and after if

0:15:14you're gonna spy on people are you

0:15:17losers feathers your pad my ride that

0:15:19desert my follow-up notice seems like a

0:15:21dumb plan obi-wan I like that the stupid

0:15:23Trade Federation guys are around

0:15:25actually sort of i was like oh yeah

0:15:27those guide nute Gunray alright remember

0:15:30when you thought he was going to be

0:15:31really important i like when obi-wan

0:15:32drops the big thing on and smooches the

0:15:34droids I thought that was I thought that

0:15:36was okay

0:15:37General Grievous gets his this is the

0:15:38most awesome christmas toy every moment

0:15:40where he's got the forearms and the spin

0:15:43light sabers i wrote down he seems

0:15:44Grievous seems like a little kids idea

0:15:47like you know what would be awesome if

0:15:48it is a robot with foodstuffs entire

0:15:51trilogy jumps into a little car wheel

0:15:54and spins around the world and the

0:15:55Condor wheel has legs also my favorite

0:15:58part of that fight is the bit where

0:15:59they're fighting on the random platform

0:16:01with the uShip in the back like the

0:16:03Starfighter there which is expressly set

0:16:05up so that when obi-wan has to escape

0:16:07later there's a Starfighter that he

0:16:09knows exists also bangs head on once i

0:16:11think for some reason pinhead shows up

0:16:14in this movie at this point yes meet

0:16:16obi-wan on he's got the same robe he's

0:16:18got the same head and everything I did

0:16:20like that i noticed this time around

0:16:21having watched this and again watching

0:16:24Star Wars rebels in like oh it's the

0:16:25same races the Inquisitor and sure

0:16:27enough it's i sent a plot to destroy the

0:16:29Jedi that is the worst line in this

0:16:31movie I'm gonna put that one

0:16:33I'm sorry there are a lot of bad lungs

0:16:34but like I i I'd the worst line has yet

0:16:36to call the worst line is at the end it

0:16:38someone gave him pages to the script

0:16:39there's like is if I flip ahead few

0:16:41pages i sense a plot to destroy the Jedi

0:16:43so we do see nute Gunray again at this

0:16:45point of all the freakin characters to

0:16:47last through all three pre I know what I

0:16:49was happy to see nute Gunray honestly

0:16:51not Darth Maul but nope nute Gunray he's

0:16:54the guy you remove you remember him from

0:16:56that terrible first scene of the

0:16:57terrible first movie is so terrible

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0:18:31ok let's resume the beating of Star Wars

0:18:34had a couple comments of the obi-wan

0:18:36Grievous fight one that obi-wan is dumb

0:18:38enough to try and box him which seems

0:18:40really dumb idea when any metal well

0:18:42they do show him kicking him and hurting

0:18:44a shin so i gave the arms up to that to

0:18:46his bad robot designed to have your

0:18:48heart only protected by a couple panels

0:18:49and not like you know a solid light box

0:18:52made out of carbonite but i do think

0:18:54that his death is kind of cool and I do

0:18:56like that obi-wan shoot him with our

0:18:58last er yeah i gotta dig that will be

0:19:00one spends a lot of time hanging off the

0:19:02edge of things and its really good guys

0:19:04I guess it's barely on his feet

0:19:06the the really depressing thing about

0:19:08this fight is like for lightsabers

0:19:10should be a really freaking cool fight

0:19:13like it really should

0:19:14well I cool when he first deploys it

0:19:16well it is except for the fact that then

0:19:18anything moves so fast yeah and isn't

0:19:21again the medium the medium to close

0:19:23shot that you can't tell what the heck's

0:19:25going on it's just light everywhere

0:19:28there's light and not actually fighting

0:19:30or choreography or interesting

0:19:33yeah can like we're terrible

0:19:35choreography someone online told me as

0:19:36like as I was watching this and tweeting

0:19:38about it someone like episode one has

0:19:39the best fight scenes I'm like you know

0:19:40what

0:19:40that's true it has much better fighter

0:19:42than any of the rest of the movies

0:19:44well I don't know where their stunt

0:19:45coordinator went but like yeah

0:19:47apparently they it was rape

0:19:48unfortunately when they cut our

0:19:49townhouse

0:19:50they also car trailer park in half and

0:19:52he's like nope can't work for you guys

0:19:53anymore sorry we have another instance

0:19:55here of obi-wan dropping his freaking

0:19:57lightsaber again ya feel it mr. said yes

0:20:01the wii remote strap but he does have

0:20:03the he that allows him to shoot groups

0:20:06with a blaster which is it is a kind of

0:20:08cool moment because that's the a han

0:20:09Solo away thousands of multiple times in

0:20:12the chest and road flare shoot out of

0:20:15his eyes

0:20:16yep it's clear that he has no longer at

0:20:18this point so why he's coughing I still

0:20:20don't know our IP general his weak point

0:20:23the lines so uncivilized got a half

0:20:26laughs out of me

0:20:26yeah i mean it never was ok but you know

0:20:30I get I think I that that fight scene is

0:20:32final but we don't really care that much

0:20:33about Grievous we do kind of care but we

0:20:35want because you're Gregory abused him

0:20:37with some sense of humanity a little

0:20:40charm

0:20:40yeah okay so the Jedi come to get

0:20:46Palpatine and this is a fight that I

0:20:50think I think John you talk about this

0:20:52on the talk show this is this is a fight

0:20:54where Russian many Jedi died very very

0:20:57very quickly and then there's a battle

0:21:01between Mace Windu and and Papa team i

0:21:04want to point out my my biggest beef

0:21:06with this entire movie starts here and

0:21:10that is that from this point on which is

0:21:12it at one hour and eight minutes right

0:21:13at the end of the grievous battle not a

0:21:15single positive thing happens in this

0:21:17film it is just relentlessly bleak

0:21:20there's there's nothing fun whatsoever

0:21:22there is no minor victories there's no

0:21:24comic relief not even of the you know we

0:21:27don't even have money or sutra do dat

0:21:29no Monica its there's nothing in it it

0:21:32seems like you know the chips were down

0:21:34an empire for a lot of it but there were

0:21:35still these little minor victories and

0:21:37there's that you know the escape from

0:21:38best been and all that stuff going on

0:21:41there are people to root for those Steve

0:21:43that's the thing there's someone to root

0:21:44for and hope that they survive in this

0:21:45case who do you want to survive that

0:21:47should lessen the pain not not make it

0:21:49worse haha but the fact is i mean even

0:21:51though i don't care about these people I

0:21:53still I just dread watching the rest of

0:21:55this movie because nothing good is going

0:21:57to happen it's just going to be crap

0:21:58fest after crapfest and you know it's

0:22:02just that's not what i wanted my happy

0:22:04funtime space adventure movie I i have

0:22:06to say the scene where Anakin tells mace

0:22:08windu i just learned a terrible truth a

0:22:10terrible line i expect them to break

0:22:13into song a little bit did mace windu

0:22:15seems really unsurprised by like a crap

0:22:17Molly better go arrest him and I wanted

0:22:19to samuel jackson be like mother that's

0:22:22right but he doesn't seem like he knows

0:22:25what to do with this rolls it's like

0:22:26that it's likely out they cast Sam

0:22:28Jackson and I asked him to act out of

0:22:30character be not Sam Jackson for this

0:22:32review please be anybody but Samuel

0:22:34Jackson will put you in the movie

0:22:35because you want to be in star wars but

0:22:37we're not going to let you be will give

0:22:39you a great fight scene at the end but

0:22:40you're gonna shave your eyebrows and

0:22:42make you say has some range if you've

0:22:44seen him another dramatic roles he has

0:22:45rain she can be downtrodden he could be

0:22:47he could become he could be some he's

0:22:49better as Nick Fury thousand allowed

0:22:51John he's better in the capital one card

0:22:53commercial but this was very I think it

0:22:57was very much riffing on with buzzes was

0:22:59his role in the jackie brown before this

0:23:02are after this because I'd really think

0:23:04that's the most similar character to

0:23:05what he was doing his mace windu that's

0:23:07the guy who mourn for they will

0:23:08definitely be a blow your head off or

0:23:10cut you're cut your lightsaber arm off

0:23:12but will also like will stop and think

0:23:15and figure things out

0:23:16he doesn't think very hard he says

0:23:18things like it's really dangerous to put

0:23:19Anakin and Palpatine together mere

0:23:22seconds after he's just done it

0:23:24yeah well though don't play myspace

0:23:27window for the words that he was forced

0:23:29to say that but by contract once again

0:23:32the the Emperor betters window fight is

0:23:34also really terrible it's it's very slow

0:23:38and ponderous in some ways and there's a

0:23:40huge reliance on the in McDermott's

0:23:42w-why jumping and flipping all over the

0:23:44place never doesn't look stupid like any

0:23:48scene where any of the Jedi do that like

0:23:50with Christopher Lee Orion McDermott

0:23:52anyone know you're not able to do that

0:23:54and yet it has to do the like jumping

0:23:57around and barrel rolling and spinning

0:23:58it's like it never looks good

0:24:01it's a crappy fight we should have

0:24:02desperately trying to get the high

0:24:04ground down

0:24:04yeah so that's a question that came up

0:24:07on the talk show about the scene as the

0:24:09essential question is is palpitating

0:24:10sandbag is he intentionally could he

0:24:13have killed mace windu easily yeah but

0:24:15worse than forced himself to now I don't

0:24:17think that's clear from the movie i

0:24:19don't think it's entirely clear because

0:24:20Mace Windu is put up is kind of like the

0:24:22most powerful Jedi and he you know it's

0:24:25unstoppable or whatever and you know it

0:24:27is is this gambit by palpating to say

0:24:30I'm gonna make it look like I'm about to

0:24:31die when really I'm not just for us

0:24:33Anakin to kill makes to bring over my

0:24:34side or was helping actually a little

0:24:38bit overwhelmed actually need and can to

0:24:40save him but knew that he would I think

0:24:41public is terrible acting answers that

0:24:43question ago

0:24:44oh I'm so we have to really soon we get

0:24:47that in that point he looks like he's

0:24:49sandbagging but all the previous points

0:24:50it looks like you're being legitimately

0:24:52beaten and if Anakin wasn't there to

0:24:54save you and like and then of course the

0:24:56problematic bars that may sighs I know

0:24:58we've got to kill him despite the fact

0:25:00that i totally don't do that you have to

0:25:02do it for purposes of the plot so you'll

0:25:03kill me whatever well because he is so

0:25:05powerful that I don't think I'll ever

0:25:07have command came killed the guy 20

0:25:09minutes ago

0:25:10my argument is that is that Palpatine is

0:25:12trying to stay clean and beat Windu with

0:25:15lightsabers and all that and then in the

0:25:17end he get he uses the force lightning

0:25:19and gets all super wrinkly and goes like

0:25:21he taps the final thing he needs is

0:25:23always been standing part is like well

0:25:25if he was if he was sandbagging why

0:25:27would he have ruined his face that badly

0:25:29she's like okay that never makes sense

0:25:31to me anyways there's no explanation of

0:25:33what causes that's little to make him

0:25:35look like he does in the other movie yes

0:25:37I know

0:25:37so Tom yeah I'm all wrinkly now but

0:25:40that's oh I it was just an injury that

0:25:42but was it that's what that's why I

0:25:44think he wasn't sandbagging because you

0:25:45wouldn't let that happen to you but

0:25:46basically the bottom line is i think its

0:25:48poor moving making that we can't tell

0:25:50what the clearly intention was

0:25:53with sandbags when Anakin walks in and

0:25:55this car and has conned by the Emperor

0:25:57into believing that this is a terrible

0:25:58Jedi plot does he miss the like pile of

0:26:01dead Jedi bodies events in the entryway

0:26:04criticism a skilled them to businesses

0:26:07just got nuts now he's killing

0:26:08everything that's a terrible Jedi plot

0:26:10but if the Jedi have come to assassinate

0:26:11him he's probably gonna fight back

0:26:13no it's a terrible Jedi plot in the

0:26:14sense that it's just a really bad plan

0:26:16why did he bring the worst three idiot

0:26:18Jedi with him to take hunt Appetit those

0:26:21guys go down so fast what those whose

0:26:23available Jedi just stand there and get

0:26:25stabbed yeah the rest of my Holograms

0:26:27did you Jedi are supposed to have some

0:26:29level of like danger sense right it

0:26:31might be able to tell when battle craps

0:26:33about to happen not in this case where

0:26:34they all get some merrily despatched the

0:26:36poor Jenna to get killed on the flower

0:26:38planet she just raises her arms in the

0:26:40air and he has to the ground it's like

0:26:41the worst death ever on these three guys

0:26:44are supposed to be like Windows guard

0:26:46and they go down like the the battle

0:26:47droids know they like that the enemies

0:26:50in a ninja movies like a one-at-a-time

0:26:51they just throw themselves onto the in

0:26:53yours their minions the only have one

0:26:55hit point oh that's okay just go right

0:26:57down there have been only one of them

0:26:59then i will say that this scene makes me

0:27:02sad because it again out so much stuff

0:27:04that's like brought in from the baggage

0:27:06of the clone wars series but there are

0:27:07characters here that i actually grew to

0:27:10give a quick give a crap about because

0:27:12of the clone war series like the most

0:27:14damning thing to me in this entire thing

0:27:15is when you know obi-wan's clone buddy

0:27:18Cody tried to have me killed and

0:27:20Commander Cody is a great character in

0:27:22the series was like steadfast and always

0:27:24by his side and like the scenes the

0:27:26clone more episodes that deal with the

0:27:27whole like loans being programmed to

0:27:29essentially accept this order and kill

0:27:31Jedi is super creepy and done really

0:27:34well because to in those cases it's

0:27:36always like they're sort of fighting

0:27:38against it and they don't realize that

0:27:39they've been programmed for this one it

0:27:41just seems like they knew all along and

0:27:42their back pocket like up time to shoot

0:27:44this guy the clones are characterized at

0:27:46all in this entire previous series like

0:27:48their characters in the clone war CD

0:27:50series and this is what Roy they were

0:27:52Stormtroopers they might as well have

0:27:53their helmet on because they look at

0:27:54them and they're not really characters

0:27:55anyway so just the morning father I mean

0:27:57I think Lucas was afraid to make

0:27:59characters that would die that people

0:28:00would be worried about right like story

0:28:02several little kids but Master Yoda

0:28:06yeah mine somewhere between episode 2

0:28:07and three coon guys to poor bloke une I

0:28:10loved him so

0:28:11Mace Windu dies and we get the crowning

0:28:14of of Darth Vader that you shall be

0:28:16known as let me check my relatives they

0:28:19did not maybe it was coming up we just

0:28:21had Darth Darth wacky white names

0:28:23haven't used yet dot fuzzy socks i was

0:28:26literally gone in alphabetical order em

0:28:29all

0:28:29torana sabado yes that when I really

0:28:32liked that was going to be for my third

0:28:33child when we have darker anus but I

0:28:35think we'll skip that go good to the

0:28:37Jedi Temple do what must be done lord

0:28:39Vader and this is what I wrote in my

0:28:41notes are that are we now to believe

0:28:44that his visions of POD maze death might

0:28:47actually just be fake put in his mind by

0:28:50Palpatine because he seems to do it all

0:28:53because of POD may so that would be I

0:28:57just saying maybe that's the one that

0:28:59that's another in a better movie like

0:29:01this is exactly so I am so proud every

0:29:03time I and every time I'm watching this

0:29:05movie and I'm thinking always this of

0:29:08sophisticated isn't the subtle and then

0:29:10I think of no this is not the now I've

0:29:12seen the thing that was on this movie

0:29:14this is not the fingerprint of someone

0:29:15who's thinking that people also please

0:29:17execute order 66 I've given you a list

0:29:20of orders from 1 to 60 61 being the best

0:29:2366 being the most evil order 65 was just

0:29:26to get him lunch

0:29:27they're not really in priority order

0:29:28don't forget 57 which is to pick up my

0:29:31spike business but it's interesting that

0:29:34he only has to say execute order 66 to

0:29:37like one-third of the clones and the

0:29:39rest of them you know the lead clone can

0:29:41just turn them in knot and they know

0:29:42exactly what ya don't ya lol but has a

0:29:44secret program oh yeah

0:29:46420 so here's here's where it becomes

0:29:48even dumber that the stormtroopers are

0:29:50apparently clones because it's clear

0:29:51here that these clones can actually hit

0:29:53somebody with a blaster

0:29:54yeah well they call them off django fat

0:29:57and should be able to get something the

0:29:59other fields that there's something bad

0:30:01going on and he stopped something never

0:30:02trust clones that's the lesson we've

0:30:04learned here never trust a clown yet

0:30:06jodoli says danger sense it's not so

0:30:08easy to just walk up and kill you too

0:30:09apparently ok so that was my to board my

0:30:11to notice about this one of them is how

0:30:13do none of the Jedi survived except Yoda

0:30:15nobody won all the rest of the world

0:30:17that bad

0:30:18they're terrible you know why would they

0:30:19are made to look they're made to look

0:30:21incompetent these characters you know

0:30:22who are like sitting around the joint

0:30:24account let's remember this this is sort

0:30:26of proven false because they they have

0:30:28this whole like actions quote actual

0:30:30quote sequence which they got to get

0:30:32back into the temple to turn on the

0:30:33budget to modify the beacon so its

0:30:35warning Jedi not to come not to come

0:30:37back

0:30:38which kind of indicates that they know

0:30:40there are others out there and just

0:30:41whatever whatever it is we're with tear

0:30:44up your membership cards definitely

0:30:45gonna be no more meetings can stop

0:30:48making lightsabers to pick up a pickup

0:30:50farm implements you are now in the

0:30:52you're now the SC business you're going

0:30:54to get started general Starr on the

0:30:56outer rim and just don't tell anybody

0:30:57about your past or started started a

0:30:59diner fifties diner maybe a cloner you

0:31:02got a lot of options

0:31:03the only reason i buy order 66 is the

0:31:06Jedi that were seen primarily are flying

0:31:10and otherwise working with clones that

0:31:12presumably they trust all of the people

0:31:14we show again we don't know just from

0:31:17watching this movie who they are but

0:31:18with clone wars back here you know

0:31:20backstory and all of that these are all

0:31:22fairly prominent Jedi leaders who have

0:31:24been working you know working on the

0:31:26front lines for the war so all of them

0:31:28presumably have clone troopers that they

0:31:30know and they trust and they've worked

0:31:32with so it's more it should be damning

0:31:34right it should be my you know who i

0:31:37thought had my back have now shot me in

0:31:39the back and I feel like a betrayal

0:31:41it is exactly it's a complete complete

0:31:43and total betrayal and that is why the

0:31:45Jedi fall so easily who are in sort of

0:31:47our are in turn around the clone

0:31:49troopers is that they don't expect it

0:31:51and they don't you know and they've been

0:31:53blinded by either Palpatine superpower

0:31:55or just hubris to not think that they

0:31:59might get hurt

0:32:00I i did think that was really cool it's

0:32:04sort of like oh my coma that's like

0:32:05imagine our country where it's like oh

0:32:07my god there's like a really really

0:32:09horrible we're being invaded

0:32:10don't worry each one of the Senators

0:32:12were going to have five army guys

0:32:14company you at all times oh great i got

0:32:16army guy got a personal 505 army guy

0:32:19guard like know they're there to make

0:32:21sure that when the final order comes

0:32:22there five people to shoot you

0:32:24I like that wasn't that wasn't there so

0:32:26many times so many symbols of this could

0:32:28have been a really really good

0:32:29plot a really really good plan but Jedi

0:32:32sense when other Jedi or anybody dies

0:32:34like that the whole reason that Yoda

0:32:35lives like oh he senses the other one

0:32:37die unless they kill them in exactly

0:32:38precisely the same on all the other ones

0:32:40are you there spidey sense to mix things

0:32:42are gonna have to be tingling all

0:32:43skilled at the same time

0:32:46Yodas a little further away and so with

0:32:48this man is because he's got a feeling

0:32:50he gets like oh something terrible's

0:32:52happening which is why when the Clone

0:32:53Trooper coming up behind him he loses

0:32:55his head in two seconds which is you

0:32:56know appropriate realistic possible that

0:32:59Yoda special the arm so Anakin goes to

0:33:03the Jedi Temple and kills all the little

0:33:05kids because it might save his secret

0:33:06wife yeah that's that's his logic I i

0:33:08believe i did the whole thing is

0:33:10motivated by crazy dream and his logic

0:33:12is if I kill these kids i will it will

0:33:14save my wife who will surely will surely

0:33:16still love me after I kill these kids

0:33:17man in secret alternate movie what I

0:33:20would love to have seen was Annika goes

0:33:22into the Jedi camp temple finds the kids

0:33:26heard them all into a room and it's

0:33:27basically like there are people

0:33:28attacking the the temple please don't

0:33:30come out hide in here then he goes in

0:33:32search of the other adult Jedi kills the

0:33:34adult Jedi he hasn't gotten all of the

0:33:37kids tiny little kid

0:33:38seize him seize him killing the Jedi

0:33:41runs off to tell the other kids

0:33:43yeah pretty much runs opportunity of the

0:33:45chaos being our tree up with your

0:33:46lifestyle chopping all of our Jedi

0:33:49teachers to bits but that but then he

0:33:52feels forced to kill the kids and then

0:33:54it's not just I'm sorry for he comes

0:33:57back to the room with the kids and his

0:33:58guys we're going to Chancellor

0:34:00Palpatine's daycare from now on or there

0:34:02are no young and stupid Jedi Temple to

0:34:04begin a young man hanging ding yeah when

0:34:08they find the bodies later apparently

0:34:10these children died of a broken heart as

0:34:12another character will later in this

0:34:13movie I guess there's not a mark on them

0:34:15didn't have the guts to say what they

0:34:16want you to think that he killed them

0:34:18but they didn't want to show a single

0:34:19scorch mark let alone blood or anything

0:34:21like that someone who seemed to have

0:34:22been killed by a lightsaber

0:34:23yeah they've been killed by lightsabers

0:34:26maybe their next walk I they say but

0:34:28they don't show it like it's made to

0:34:29show a bunch of kids laying down okay

0:34:31this isn't a dark movie job or something

0:34:33like they showed him on fire with his

0:34:35little calculator but our land and the

0:34:37turkey out thanks ok I want to know

0:34:39who's stupid kid is it that says Master

0:34:42Skywalker there are too many of the

0:34:43what are we going to do because that is

0:34:45the worst line reading in any Star Wars

0:34:47fan well that was a kid and I think

0:34:49Hayden Christensen who is an adult has

0:34:51way worse line readings man no no it's

0:34:54so so bad we get a and we also have our

0:34:57Chewbacca cameo around now which is like

0:35:00that couch Ibaka ok it's on a show you

0:35:03what it takes off in his almond in

0:35:05something yes that's right Jimmy Smith's

0:35:07we get to see he runs away run away

0:35:09Jimmy Smith sits back and still becoming

0:35:11president someday Jimmy and you go and

0:35:13he goes back to the white ship that we

0:35:15do this from the from the original star

0:35:17wars the white ship with black curtains

0:35:19I'll be one does what he always does

0:35:21which is land on a planet and do

0:35:23something and take off that's all he

0:35:25ever ever does it does it again many

0:35:28Jedi have been killed

0:35:29we get some nice use of the pot the

0:35:30passive voice their many Jedi have been

0:35:33killed by who

0:35:34somebody that you know knows he doesn't

0:35:37want you to look at the tapes he knows

0:35:38what's on them and this is when i hit my

0:35:39natalie portman despair and I wrote down

0:35:41if only we believed anything about this

0:35:43if only Padme were anything but just the

0:35:46girlfriend she does nothing worst fake

0:35:49crying Natalie sorry i love you

0:35:51worst fake crying I i like seeing the

0:35:54white ship the the you know what it was

0:35:56that the tension of Santa far for ya

0:35:58Fauria I like seeing that that would

0:36:01that means i remembered a good movie

0:36:03well I saw that part yeah to Steve's

0:36:06point about there being no comic relief

0:36:07this really depressing scene when Anakin

0:36:09goes back to talk to Padme and then r2

0:36:12who's been with him and like this is the

0:36:13thing that really upset yeah is that was

0:36:16our to witness to all the younger and it

0:36:18was ok with it right and so like having

0:36:20the droids be a party to Anakin's life

0:36:22totally corrupt them in our view because

0:36:24they're now tainted by association and

0:36:26so we get the line where Threepio says

0:36:28well he is under a lot of stress actual

0:36:34I think the most repeated line in this

0:36:37film though is our to stay with the ship

0:36:39so yes always being totally like I'm in

0:36:42the ship

0:36:43I've had to stay with the ship i am

0:36:44going to ship

0:36:46yeah it was ok with the killing and mass

0:36:49murdering of innocence my my heart will

0:36:51be crushed into Anakin comes to check on

0:36:54padmé and the baby oh by the way I just

0:36:56killed a bunch of toddlers

0:36:57yeah i'm gonna be a great dad blood on

0:36:59my hands sorry those are baby I did it

0:37:01for you look as you're gonna be okay I

0:37:03did it I did it for you baby yeah that

0:37:07dream I had about you is totally not

0:37:09gonna come true now i know you're really

0:37:10worried about I'm gonna be the greatest

0:37:11dad ever if ever we need to kill our

0:37:13kids I don't totally done that I also i

0:37:16can guarantee our son is going to be top

0:37:18of the classic Young's but here's a

0:37:20here's the most important part of the

0:37:22movie then is what happens next which is

0:37:24can you can you can you guess I have

0:37:27initiated a special session of Congress

0:37:30to blah blah blah boring boring boring I

0:37:36think that got me is there at some point

0:37:37I think it's the scene where the obi-wan

0:37:39is looking at the security footage he

0:37:40said something like oh we better go you

0:37:42know should we go confront the Emperor

0:37:44something I'm like really were already

0:37:45calling the Emperor like a one-day and

0:37:47proclaiming is going to empire we're

0:37:49just going to get that choice releases

0:37:50no I can't believe it

0:37:52it can't be true yeah okay yeah I can

0:37:56kind of believe that kid was always

0:37:57kinda screwed also did you notice that

0:37:59as soon as Anakin is fully on board as

0:38:01being Darth Vader they give him the evil

0:38:02ship to fly

0:38:04oh yeah it's like now no now that you're

0:38:06a Sith Lord you get the cool evil ship

0:38:08the park i also don't get why everybody

0:38:10in the Senate is that happy about the

0:38:11Empire they're like yeah I didn't they

0:38:14didn't spend any time explaining no I

0:38:16like people would go along with this

0:38:18this is how Liberty dies with thunderous

0:38:20applause yeah it's set up for that

0:38:23terrible wine which which in some ways

0:38:24could have been a good line in in that

0:38:27mystical other universe movie but like

0:38:29it doesn't make any sense here because

0:38:31we don't

0:38:32despite all the time we spent on

0:38:33politics none of those politics have a

0:38:35substance we have no understanding of

0:38:37why anybody would be excited about being

0:38:39in the Empire this is the official start

0:38:41remember the scene in patent

0:38:42where the there's this final scene in

0:38:45the the german bunker where every

0:38:47general is just burning papers as fast

0:38:49as they possibly can before the Allies

0:38:51come in this is to me that's like the

0:38:53the start of the part of this movie

0:38:55we're like we just have to start burning

0:38:57papers we start have to we have to start

0:38:59making sure that everything that happens

0:39:01after this rib for the 20 years between

0:39:03this movie and episode 4 makes some kind

0:39:06of sense they need to have needs to make

0:39:09sure that the emperor has absolutely got

0:39:11to achieve victory here he doesn't have

0:39:13to take out the Senate he doesn't have

0:39:15to would fight a long long campaign he

0:39:18is the victorious champion of a force of

0:39:20light that has that has gotten rid of

0:39:22those people who are filing those tax

0:39:25impound forms yes incorrectly whatever

0:39:27the hell was the train from someone says

0:39:29butte you know so yeah hooray so it

0:39:32isn't it's it and oh my god he was so

0:39:34horribly scarred he will bear like the

0:39:36that proudly the symbol of how much he

0:39:38sacrificed to make us would make us

0:39:40victory victorious and feel good about

0:39:42ourselves so it's almost like the

0:39:43Falklands at Falkland Islands conflict

0:39:45located in britain in like 1080p digital

0:39:49um I I like i mentioned nute Gunray

0:39:52earlier i'll enjoyed you can ray dying

0:39:54at this point it's like they're killing

0:39:56a part of episode 1 and i approve i have

0:39:59that line actually written down her a

0:40:00he's going to kill new country i know

0:40:03and i wrote two races to live is also

0:40:08align here somewhere I forget who says

0:40:09it but he says the Chancellor will not

0:40:11be able to control the thousands of star

0:40:12systems without keeping the Senate

0:40:13intact which one person he does outside

0:40:16for ya I'd like 20 years later 20 years

0:40:20and then he has all the Senate you know

0:40:21but it does seem clearly a setup line to

0:40:23be like all right we're gonna get back

0:40:25to this is that it's a tie back to well

0:40:28how how we get the no-fear will keep

0:40:29local systems in line fear what fear of

0:40:31this battle station but it's not built

0:40:32yet so you know you gotta keep yourself

0:40:34around just for fun and a hell of a long

0:40:37time to build that battle station it is

0:40:38they built they built the new one in

0:40:40like a couple years but now they built

0:40:42them both the same time clearly yyyy a 4

0:40:4411 and build whatever you can afford the

0:40:46price yes it's it's it's like

0:40:48pharmaceuticals you know the first death

0:40:50star takes two

0:40:51cost 80 trillion the second one costs

0:40:53only eighteen cents lost i didn't really

0:40:55finish the second i know they didn't

0:40:56they just made operational but it was

0:40:58still pretty much just superstructure

0:40:59this is like the superstructure my

0:41:03comment about Anakin killing all the the

0:41:05the sad racist red Trade Federation

0:41:07folks is the key if you the best he's

0:41:10standing out on that balcony is all

0:41:12cowled up and supposed to look angry and

0:41:13zooms in and you see is and cry yes

0:41:15singles hear you cry about the Ottoman

0:41:18I'm gonna die when that was the best

0:41:21across a lot only kids was fine i went

0:41:23back had me five minutes later and I was

0:41:25like everything's gonna be fine but i

0:41:26can't kill nute Gunray and it really

0:41:28upset me i have a newcomer reaction

0:41:30finger

0:41:30I've known him since I was a little kid

0:41:33your Jedi now I need don't know I

0:41:37remember when you were small and

0:41:38destroyed my ship accidentally exactly

0:41:42that then there's a scene in which he

0:41:43finally like collect like opens his

0:41:45mails been piling up

0:41:46congratulations or the Jedi Council

0:41:48confers upon you the title of Master

0:41:50sorry took us so long but you know we've

0:41:52been busy god dammit and the title of

0:41:55weepy a Sith Lord ghost in her a lot of

0:41:58iron eyes Cody moments in Anakin's shots

0:42:02here is very distressed about all the

0:42:04litter in the galaxy everybody decides

0:42:06to go to lava world seemed like that

0:42:08that led Padme says besides Threepio

0:42:10will look after me least reassuring

0:42:12wherever Threepio really get short

0:42:16shrift in this movie doesn't he doesn't

0:42:18have like three lines and all ya no puns

0:42:20he wanted to like his puns but for

0:42:22pete's sake also obi-wan Stow's away in

0:42:25the John of the ship

0:42:26yeah it's now carries that I also like

0:42:29whenever they whenever the Jedi use

0:42:31their force powers to close doors it is

0:42:32my favorite thing ever because he could

0:42:35especially push the button but even they

0:42:36just closed or the uh this is where I

0:42:39really kind of run out of any respect

0:42:43for or like of POD may well here's

0:42:45here's one thing you have to respect

0:42:46okay she's gonna give birth in a matter

0:42:48of hours to full seemingly to two

0:42:50seemingly full-term babies and and she

0:42:53prances down the walkway of that ship

0:42:56like like she is light as a feather yeah

0:42:58like she's like I'm going to give birth

0:42:59in hours and but look to poop you know I

0:43:02mean she's not very big it's fine she

0:43:03supposed to be pregnant with twins

0:43:04doesn't

0:43:05really quite work but she's just running

0:43:06around so she is a superwoman

0:43:08so in this scene again trying to set up

0:43:10Anakin as a different character than

0:43:12we've actually seen he says we could

0:43:13overthrow the Emperor and prevent rule

0:43:16together is where other and mothers for

0:43:18power come from nowhere

0:43:20yeah but her response to that is I don't

0:43:22believe what I'm hearing and i'm not

0:43:23sure why because this kind of fascist

0:43:25rambling is pretty par for the course

0:43:26for what Anakin is busted out in their

0:43:29political discussion so far i thought

0:43:30that was just natalie portman saying

0:43:32that you're right now it doesn't this is

0:43:34the best this is the best mean the worst

0:43:36line in the movie where it in this scene

0:43:38what you know George like what we need

0:43:39to have happened here is that Anakin

0:43:41needs to brake pad my heart

0:43:43ok pad me line ready yet Anakin you're

0:43:47breaking my heart you can't just write

0:43:49that you have to show us you can't just

0:43:51like I know you anymore stop now that

0:43:54person's name and you like it's a lazy

0:43:56flyball of things that you need to show

0:43:58on scene showing someone breaking

0:44:00someone's heart is not hard to do like

0:44:01it's already darn easy like a ball that

0:44:03it's not very subtle but have her to

0:44:05have her say the lines like you don't

0:44:07understand how writing works

0:44:09what are you doing at the delivery is

0:44:10different like I wrote down my note here

0:44:12was saying vs acting and so it really is

0:44:14just like these people are just reading

0:44:16lines these our actors who signed a

0:44:18three-picture deal they bore they were

0:44:20regretting that after picture 1 they

0:44:22can't get out of it the only way this

0:44:23line works is if she's sarcastic oh I

0:44:26Anakin you're breaking my heart

0:44:27that's the only way it works is written

0:44:29yeah it's it's a it's really really

0:44:31really badly forced jokes are my

0:44:35allegiance is to democracy most boring

0:44:38democracy versus tyranny there's another

0:44:40great line if you're not with me you're

0:44:42my enemy right now you can't you can't

0:44:45say you're against me because he didn't

0:44:46want to do a cliché read the line that

0:44:48immediately follows that is this only a

0:44:50Sith deals in absolutes I have to tell

0:44:53you obi-wan that's an absolute you not

0:44:55exactly we're just like unintentional

0:44:58intentional irony from that is unselfish

0:45:01we're completely unselfish where ya

0:45:03George Lucas or whoever goes wrote that

0:45:06line but I'm gonna say George Lucas how

0:45:08do you not realize that as you're

0:45:10writing that what this is a really good

0:45:12like it here's the thing about this

0:45:13movie is like we talked about week on

0:45:15the bad movies things we watch the core

0:45:17and stuff like if

0:45:18show normal person this movie they will

0:45:20laugh it seems that are not supposed to

0:45:22be because you can't like they're not

0:45:23they don't know this must have any

0:45:24reverence for Star Wars or anything

0:45:26they'll watch it and they'll laugh at

0:45:27the way you laugh at a bad movie and the

0:45:29only reason we're not able to do that

0:45:30for because we're so upset that they

0:45:32bring this is because here is pouring

0:45:35down your face stare at the screen

0:45:36yeah that's right just the single Tier

0:45:38one and what I say is I don't like this

0:45:41movie that's because you're so in love

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0:47:09how'd I do all right back to the show so

0:47:11let's see if there's a duel then suffice

0:47:13to say there's a hat

0:47:15I don't think we can suffice it to say

0:47:16because this like they're about it

0:47:17reminded me so many so much as man of

0:47:20steel remember a man of steel when you

0:47:22have action figures banging against each

0:47:23other yeah this lightsaber battle is

0:47:25like at this point you're totally you're

0:47:27totally signed out you truly checked out

0:47:29because of

0:47:29the ridiculousness of this entire thing

0:47:31and like they're going to hit

0:47:33lightsabers against each other's

0:47:34repeatedly for a long time with no

0:47:36dialogue pretty much like they don't

0:47:38talk to it they talk a little bit in the

0:47:39beginning and then it's like bang bang

0:47:40bang it's just like Oh bouncing around

0:47:42it was MIT's Man of Steel all over again

0:47:45any drama this saber battle might have

0:47:46had is completely dissipated by a bear

0:47:48around minute 40 not not short enough it

0:47:51was is what I'm trying to tell you who

0:47:53you know the lightsaber battle at the

0:47:54end of episode one isn't bad and this is

0:47:57not that this is part of it is being

0:48:00drained of any interest in these

0:48:01characters part of it is that it is like

0:48:05videogame figures banging up against

0:48:08each other

0:48:09I also feel that at some point right

0:48:11around here maybe when Steve cited a

0:48:13little bit earlier where it's sort of

0:48:14like nothing good happens past this

0:48:15point I feel like the movie shifts from

0:48:17being the obligatory list of references

0:48:20to the wii now we've this is the part we

0:48:24wrote early that we knew was going to be

0:48:26the end of the trilogy and then

0:48:28everything else is backfilled to that

0:48:30moment I feel like we're in that moment

0:48:32now we're now we're completely on rails

0:48:34and everything is just obligatory it has

0:48:36to be this way i wrote in a fanzine in

0:48:391978 the darth vader lost you know was

0:48:42scarred in lava and so there has to be a

0:48:44lava planet and there has to be a battle

0:48:45and it is all a blanket or actors dots

0:48:48and it has to be bigger it's like it's

0:48:50like the bad version of Return of the

0:48:51Jedi we're like we needed even bigger

0:48:53space battle i think they pull that off

0:48:54its like this needs to be the biggest

0:48:56lightsaber battle the most banging of

0:48:58lightsabers together and they did that

0:49:00for sheer number of times two

0:49:01lightsabers hit each other this probably

0:49:02is the record but it's just monotonous

0:49:04and there's no pace to it and like i

0:49:07said i don't even talk to each other

0:49:08have the same compared to like the you

0:49:10know Empire Strikes vaccine with the

0:49:11with a battle that takes probably the

0:49:13same amount of time with like one

0:49:14ten-thousandth the number lightsaber

0:49:16clashes in 20 times the dialogue where

0:49:18should this not also be the ultimate yes

0:49:21decision sewing jamming the decision

0:49:23point of these characters there's one

0:49:25there's one moment in this that just

0:49:26makes me completely it it bring it like

0:49:28anakin it breaks my heart for the poor

0:49:31people of X guys because there's that

0:49:33moment where there are clashing and

0:49:34they're they're standing on some sort of

0:49:36a pipe or something and their

0:49:39lightsabers meet and then there's like a

0:49:40gigantic wave of lava that shoots up

0:49:43find him and I gotta see that and not

0:49:44think if this film had been done right

0:49:47how absolutely beautiful that scene

0:49:50would have been a helping hand moving

0:49:51and amazing it would have been and

0:49:54instead it's just completely wasted on

0:49:55this piece of crap this okay we've got

0:49:58it we've got an awesome fight that's

0:49:59great

0:50:00lots of banging of lightsabers against

0:50:01other lightsabers the whole point of

0:50:03this fight should be this is the final

0:50:06moment not in lightsabers but in

0:50:08characters where obi-wan and Anakin are

0:50:13making their final arguments with each

0:50:15other right and that argument should be

0:50:17about well the jedis the Jedi is better

0:50:20you need to rethink this and all that

0:50:21and instead it's just where we're

0:50:24enemies now let's fight and see who wins

0:50:26and it's it's it's a shame this should

0:50:28this is the tragic core of the story

0:50:30except it's not it's just another

0:50:32lightsaber back even more than that

0:50:33Jason I think it comes down to the

0:50:35personal relationship these guys you

0:50:37know in a in a ham-fisted Lee delivered

0:50:39line from everyone later

0:50:41these guys are best friends these guys

0:50:43are others and your stretches and that's

0:50:46the falling out of two people who are

0:50:48like really good friends and that

0:50:49happens and it's so easy like again like

0:50:51John's point about the like breaking

0:50:53your heart seemed like that's something

0:50:54that is not hard to show but we want to

0:50:58feel that these guys who have suffered

0:51:00and been through so much together have

0:51:01just finally come to this these

0:51:03loggerheads and is the only way to get

0:51:05that out is that they're physically

0:51:06going to fight and and yet none of that

0:51:09it's totally robbed of any emotion it's

0:51:11a damn shame and how much more meaning

0:51:13that would have if if if Anakin had sort

0:51:17of gradually moved to a sort of semi

0:51:19reasonable position on the Sith instead

0:51:22of killing younglings right yeah

0:51:24also i am i'm reminded again to go back

0:51:26to the original trilogy of you know when

0:51:29last we met you were the master I I kind

0:51:32of wanted that here I wanted to feel

0:51:33more like this battle is a really open

0:51:37one holding it holding back because he

0:51:41can't bear and and there's a little of

0:51:43it but I felt like I wanted to feel like

0:51:45obi-wan's the master here he's got this

0:51:47the only reason this goes on is he's

0:51:49trying very hard not to kill Anakin you

0:51:51didn't have a real hard time leveling

0:51:53the power

0:51:54I'm a bit like the balance and writing

0:51:5540 isn't always the window the most

0:51:58powerful what about yoga but Hannigan's

0:51:59also be more powerful but in general

0:52:00obi-wan seems more as if you like the

0:52:02they don't have a good they never really

0:52:05established the power hierarchy of the

0:52:07Jedi despite the fact that they have

0:52:08explicit lines like my powers have

0:52:10doubled in blood like an 83 on the

0:52:13midi-chlorian scale it doesn't make

0:52:14sense how they stack up to each other

0:52:16which makes these which makes these

0:52:18scenes unclear again you know is obi-wan

0:52:20holding back is Palpatine holding back

0:52:22is like you never quite know where is

0:52:24the hierarchy of power so much clearer

0:52:27in the original trilogy you knew

0:52:28like what you know you knew how it went

0:52:31Emperor than Vader than luke and I can

0:52:33and it was born out and like you didn't

0:52:35think that that Luke was holding back

0:52:37and he could have defeated innovator and

0:52:38empire he wasn't like it was so clear

0:52:40and this it just it you know it makes

0:52:42that it makes you not care about them

0:52:44being lightsabers they save like the

0:52:45thing for the end where he actually says

0:52:46the lines like we were supposed to be

0:52:48friends like all right fine bad writing

0:52:50whatever but you just spent 20 minutes

0:52:52boring me by hitting your lightsabres

0:52:53together before you got to that seen you

0:52:55could have been doing that while you

0:52:56were fighting or in between and because

0:52:57the choreography could have been more

0:52:58impressive instead of having a visual

0:53:00effects come Center like there's some of

0:53:02the stuff makes no sense hero be one

0:53:04takes like a tactical retreat on to like

0:53:06a pylon or something like that and

0:53:07they're just beginning wedding where the

0:53:09robots they're robots that are doing the

0:53:11work at the in the planet which makes it

0:53:13even dumber because apparently I i was

0:53:15thinking like flying drugs with buckets

0:53:17seems like the least efficient way to do

0:53:19anything

0:53:19well then what are the odds that the

0:53:21flying bucket and the other flying

0:53:23platform happened to stay within light

0:53:24say that each other for the next week

0:53:26yeah they want to see a good fight too

0:53:28so you know there's no sweetheart it's

0:53:31the eight-year-old approach again like

0:53:32oh you'll be awesome lava different

0:53:34platforms in fact that not just that its

0:53:37fight choreography done by whoever it is

0:53:39is doing the video game design because

0:53:41to get can't remember what was that

0:53:43episode 2 in which drama dollars doing

0:53:45that I'm sorry in which apartment is

0:53:48doing the thing where she she lets you

0:53:50she finds herself like in a super mario

0:53:52land level

0:53:53yeah just jump over the swing of things

0:53:55and ducked out and then swing and now

0:53:56it's a left-to-right scroller thing it's

0:53:59like the problem

0:54:00yeah I'm surprised we don't get a donkey

0:54:02kong sound effect in some

0:54:04already had the cars and so does anybody

0:54:05want to talk about the tactical high

0:54:08ground that you have now I've got the

0:54:10high ground now an occasion you know

0:54:12like Darth Maul did that one time yeah

0:54:15and they have like they have this hold

0:54:1620 minutes scene of lights they're

0:54:18battling like they just didn't know how

0:54:19to end the like okay well this has to

0:54:20come to a conclusion somehow it's like I

0:54:22can't think of anything I must kill op

0:54:24have them stop talk to each other

0:54:26establish a nonsensical premise that

0:54:28will lead to the final event which will

0:54:30be that obi-wan winds like a mile of

0:54:31just said ok now the fight must end and

0:54:34the script says I should win so pleased

0:54:36you can cut off my legs now that they

0:54:38might as well done that it was associate

0:54:40and uh and the other thing that we

0:54:42should address i want to talk about

0:54:43universal Palpatine but we'll do that in

0:54:45a minute the other thing we need to

0:54:46address here is the fact that i don't

0:54:50really want to hurt you but you're gonna

0:54:51make me but once I've cut off your legs

0:54:54and your burning to death i'm just going

0:54:56to lady take a walk

0:54:58yes well I mean so here's the thing is

0:54:59like I actually like obi-wan's speech

0:55:02it's not the best it's not well written

0:55:04but it there is an element of

0:55:06genuineness and ewan mcgregor actually

0:55:08manages to convey certain emotions

0:55:10entirely the acting which is then

0:55:12completely ruined by the fact that he

0:55:13shows him no mercy yeah yeah just walked

0:55:16away like well you're supposed to be my

0:55:17brother but i'm not going to do anything

0:55:19even he's your suffering in anyway so

0:55:21now you're winners community of leaving

0:55:23the guy there to possibly survive and be

0:55:25turned into a semi robots huh

0:55:27the odds are solo ste I i will say that

0:55:31i can i did kinda by that because they

0:55:34were again if we need adventure that's

0:55:35this is good acting on the McGregor's

0:55:38part but I did get the the sense that ok

0:55:41well Anakin is dead

0:55:43okay he's gone he's dead I'm he's never

0:55:45going to come back i now owe no

0:55:48allegiance to this Anakin shape thing

0:55:51that's in front of me but still at the

0:55:53same time it's just there is an element

0:55:55of it that the Jedi are supposed to be

0:55:57bigger than that right and that's what

0:55:59we want from obi-wan is he supposed to

0:56:00be the bigger man and I think the main

0:56:02thing is that that advocates character

0:56:04is played by hayden christensen always

0:56:06comes off as the younger person in the

0:56:08relationship he always comes off as the

0:56:10whiny child and he never he never sort

0:56:12of comes into his own and takes agency

0:56:14and becomes like that

0:56:16i am now actively working towards a goal

0:56:18counter to yours is always tired of like

0:56:21a big brother little brother

0:56:22relationship where you never truly

0:56:24believe like well now you've made your

0:56:26choice and now you've made your bed now

0:56:28you have the line it's like and Anakin

0:56:29didn't make any bet he's just confused

0:56:31stupid kid and that's why you can I

0:56:33can't buy likely that thing that and he

0:56:35was saying was like it just doesn't it

0:56:36doesn't make sense that he would that he

0:56:38would say well mike is that you would

0:56:39still like the whole audience feels the

0:56:41whole time he's just a stupid idiot and

0:56:43doesn't have any idea what's going on

0:56:45and you will never keep it but the

0:56:46stupid idiot really left the movie when

0:56:49he started killing kids huh that's why

0:56:52it doesn't make sense of it but then but

0:56:53then what's the point of the whole you

0:56:55were my brother Anakin I loved you

0:56:56speech mean if he's if he thinks

0:56:58Anakin's gone and that the whole point

0:57:00of having that speech is pretty much out

0:57:01the window 2 i'm not saying that ever

0:57:04all this makes like really good tight

0:57:06one thing is it's more like it really is

0:57:10like this is I think this is true if i

0:57:12call this as we're talking about this

0:57:13movie we really are trying to piece

0:57:15together the wreckage of an airplane and

0:57:17trying to figure out what happened or

0:57:19which or or actually better yet I think

0:57:21it's more like an archaeological dig

0:57:22where we've got all these parts that

0:57:25we've dug up and we think they fit

0:57:27together this way and we're trying to

0:57:29figure out I know this is a mess of box

0:57:31of rocks and springs were looking at but

0:57:33where they tried to make an astrolabe

0:57:35where they're trying to make a

0:57:36calculator device and we can each try to

0:57:39figure out what they did for me I feel

0:57:42as though the intent of what what that

0:57:45scene was meant to do is just as ob1

0:57:48said in an episode for that at that but

0:57:51I'm sorry episode 5 in an empire at the

0:57:54mall at that point by sort of from

0:57:56certain point of view Anakin was dead

0:57:58and there was no coming back from that

0:57:59i'm saying i keep thinking what would

0:58:04have made Anakin or obi-wan I'm

0:58:07abandoning him better

0:58:08I i rather a different a different movie

0:58:10to let him out ok ok but no I actually I

0:58:13think if if a a bunch of clones or

0:58:17whatever had been had arrived and were

0:58:21shooting at him right if it was any kind

0:58:24of like like that's why that's the worst

0:58:26thing it's not so hard like you get your

0:58:28a movie with war is it getting the same

0:58:30thing without Padme dies it's so easy to

0:58:32kill people in the legitimate believable

0:58:34matter if they find these preposterous

0:58:35ways to kill major characters and have

0:58:37major plot points that like it's not

0:58:39hard people i want obi-wan to be under

0:58:41fire and not be able to finish the job

0:58:43and say maybe I'm sorry Anakin yeah and

0:58:46and leave and leave him to the clones

0:58:48and know that he's not gonna die is

0:58:50horribly right right Palpatine shows up

0:58:53and he and he runs and and that's the

0:58:55end of it but instead it's much more

0:58:56like smell you later or I don't think

0:58:59which is just so lame I or at least

0:59:01think that he's dead like that's the

0:59:03other thing like if he's like body like

0:59:04slid between the beneath the lava or

0:59:06something right then he would actually

0:59:07be totally dead

0:59:08no no we learn from what we learned from

0:59:10the core movie that he would float float

0:59:12on top of it for wine so I yo diversity

0:59:15Palpatine I wanted to say that this is

0:59:17this is the scene that this is the same

0:59:19that I kinda like the scene and here's

0:59:20why I kinda like it

0:59:21it is the best use of the Senate chamber

0:59:23set yeah and all three movies because

0:59:25after seeing the stupid Senate chamber

0:59:27for all the boring Senate things and

0:59:29stupid George are giving speeches and

0:59:31all of that in this in this scene all

0:59:34those little floating balls get hurled

0:59:36around with the forest during a fight

0:59:38between Yoda and Palpatine and I took

0:59:40like the death of Newt Gunray I took

0:59:42great Glee and the destruction of the

0:59:44boring Senate chamber in the in the

0:59:46fight it's not much of a fight and it's

0:59:48sort of sad that you're dead ends up

0:59:50crawling through like a ventilation duct

0:59:52and endurance he was honest

0:59:53yeah there's a yoda pajamas so cute yeah

0:59:56we've seen two fights at this point

0:59:58where the Great Master Yoda

0:59:58where the Great Master Yoda

1:00:00frankly kind of blows that lightsaber

1:00:01whirring he's completely failed to take

1:00:04down

1:00:05Count Dooku and now we completely fails

1:00:07to do anything against Palpatine right

1:00:09well he didn't believe Alice but other

1:00:10people point out he fights them to a

1:00:12draw by himself so it seems like we had

1:00:14one or two other people with him he

1:00:15would have the upper hand and they take

1:00:17care of this guy but then he crawls off

1:00:18with his tail between his legs and it

1:00:20doesn't have a tail would never see yo

1:00:22to win a lightsaber fight is what i'm

1:00:23saying if you're gonna show Yoda doing

1:00:25lightsaber fights which i think is a bad

1:00:27idea to begin with

1:00:28have him win one yeah he's supposed to

1:00:30be badass it was it was more or less a

1:00:32dry didn't win but yeah like heaven and

1:00:35the problem if that is his reaction is

1:00:36like well now i guess i have to go into

1:00:38exile is like you were so close that was

1:00:40basically a drawing you're by yourself

1:00:41if only you'd brought obi-wan with you

1:00:43but he had to go to a lot of worldwide

1:00:45Palpatine also was by himself i should

1:00:46point it was pretty even technically the

1:00:50whole thing is just I don't know I find

1:00:51it ridiculously silly i find that the

1:00:53whole Senate chamber i agree to the

1:00:55center chamber is ridiculous

1:00:56although this time for the first time

1:00:57was the they ride the little Chancellor

1:00:59platform upwards I'm like well that is

1:01:01actually really unsafe like what if the

1:01:03jets are fell off of patterns are for

1:01:04Samuel baby i was a lot there's a lot of

1:01:06pointy things in the chamber it's also

1:01:08kind of ridiculous that they just

1:01:09somehow end up rising up through the

1:01:10floor it's got a real Marx Brothers feel

1:01:12to it

1:01:13well you think that's good it's the

1:01:14swinging on ropes training Anakin and

1:01:16obi-wan fight that really got me like oh

1:01:18that's my ropes Tarzan noise that time

1:01:21let's be honest this is the star wars

1:01:23equivalent of the chase through the

1:01:25warehouse in Indiana Jones and the

1:01:28Kingdom of the Crystal Skull right it

1:01:30other than the fact that great of the

1:01:32Lost Ark is a treasure and start and

1:01:34service episode 1 is not and so but it

1:01:36is that is the wacky slap sticky

1:01:39overblown fight scene that demolishes

1:01:41asset that you know from a previous

1:01:44movie it's the same thing you have to

1:01:46also realize that they had to fix this

1:01:48whole Senate chamber because the

1:01:49Senators and dissolve like another 20

1:01:50years while I can maybe the Senate just

1:01:52has to use the broken chamber for the

1:01:54next 20 years and nobody like what

1:01:55happened here was our Emperor involved

1:01:57in some service trays lightsaber battle

1:01:59can we dissolve the Senate now

1:02:01nope nope gotta keep something if your

1:02:04saucer was one of the ones destroyed you

1:02:06have to sit in the bleachers

1:02:07we also get the great mind-bending line

1:02:11at an end your rule is and not short

1:02:13enough

1:02:14oh yeah like oh like Lucas just lost

1:02:17track of how to make your talking NOT

1:02:19some ridiculous i do like the scene

1:02:21where he walks in the Imperial Guards

1:02:23are there again a great instance of

1:02:24Palpatine havin Taylor those costumes

1:02:26for them already ready to get started

1:02:27dispatches them immediately right there

1:02:29were there were all so excited to

1:02:30finally get the Wyndemere Chairman's my

1:02:32first day on the job is pretty great i

1:02:34like this helmet they all got have been

1:02:35killed by you and break out the red

1:02:37outfits

1:02:39yeah surprise we have to let Taylor so

1:02:41they're Taylor's they've got green red

1:02:43outfits that right down the street from

1:02:45the cloner planet so is anybody wonder

1:02:47to jump back to a mannequin popping they

1:02:50wonder why Palpatine bothers to save him

1:02:52he's mostly dead at that point it's like

1:02:53you can do he had another running out of

1:02:55this shows what made him out of

1:02:57midi-chlorians it's he's this guy that's

1:03:00his son dude and now he's got all the

1:03:02power in the world over him because he's

1:03:04going to be this totally messed up guy

1:03:07now

1:03:09oh he's got he's got a lot of power to

1:03:12manipulate the force he's a good guy

1:03:14have also again a piece a piece we

1:03:17sipped from a much better movie he

1:03:19actually legitimately likes him and

1:03:21seeing yourself season him something he

1:03:23can really cultivate also I my tailors

1:03:25have designed this black suit that's

1:03:27really obviously you don't find a minion

1:03:29this stupid every single day man put him

1:03:32in the medical capsule and they put him

1:03:33in a medical left thing and they treat

1:03:35me like wheel along and it's a thing

1:03:36that's totally open the elements and I

1:03:38feel like you get like rained on and

1:03:40wouldn't seem like if this guy's been

1:03:41like have burned to death i don't think

1:03:43you want to let him get rained on

1:03:44seriously Anakin I was just kidding

1:03:47about the younglings I can't believe you

1:03:48did that

1:03:49haha so I'm okay we got we basically got

1:03:53a couple of scenes left to go and they

1:03:57are really tough so we're gonna just

1:03:58here we go here we go to everything must

1:04:00go

1:04:01so every reference factor so for reasons

1:04:03we can't explain Padme has lost the will

1:04:07to live not demand she dies the reasons

1:04:11we can't explain we are losing her if my

1:04:13riff my medical robot says to me for

1:04:16reasons we can't explain their lives

1:04:17sure I buy another medical yeah that

1:04:19robot is terrible

1:04:21oh come on that medical robot says boo

1:04:22ba yah robots using wet currently it

1:04:26doesn't know how to speak English and

1:04:28then uses this giant spatula hand to

1:04:30scoop out the baby that's like it's like

1:04:32a see-through wii remote that disgusting

1:04:35it's like a highlight thing think that

1:04:38baby on a weapon against the wall right

1:04:39last so she dies of movie disease

1:04:42basically which is because she needs to

1:04:43die she dies which is incredibly stupid

1:04:46Campbell's lawful movie from further for

1:04:49heroic Dame's the Dame that's to die so

1:04:52that the hero seems to leave a little

1:04:54more corrupted by it

1:04:56chapter 12 it's right there black and

1:04:58like an easy fix for this problem

1:05:00what if she had been slowly dying

1:05:02throughout the entire movie like what if

1:05:04we find out an early scene that she has

1:05:06a fatal disease she can be killed in the

1:05:08war that's going on with people with

1:05:10guns and lights if we set her up as like

1:05:11in the in the first scene is like she's

1:05:13got this terrible disease or something

1:05:14at least Anakin has legitimate reasons

1:05:16to do everything like she's actually

1:05:18dying that is like I had a dream about

1:05:20maybe her Diana can could accidentally

1:05:22stabbed her when she's hiding behind the

1:05:24curtain anything could have happened but

1:05:27that doesn't happen it's that's really

1:05:29frustrating but she does she does have

1:05:32the droid midwives deliver a baby girl

1:05:35and I want everybody to me watching it

1:05:37which is super creepy yeah

1:05:39Bail Organa Yoda and obi-wan are all

1:05:41standing outside a transpass a

1:05:42transparent window just like checking it

1:05:44out

1:05:45she has the the mecca modesty skirt

1:05:47though you know what is with the

1:05:48delivery room with the the one-way glass

1:05:51it looks totally comfortable that's that

1:05:53I'm sure any woman would love to deliver

1:05:55while sitting on metal slab with a metal

1:05:56chain thing covering it's just you know

1:05:59move on galaxy far far away

1:06:02not look comfortable I don't even think

1:06:03you can get our legs far apart squeeze a

1:06:05baby out

1:06:06also how does nobody figure out that

1:06:08she's having twins before yesterday and

1:06:10today there will be technology sucks to

1:06:12keep returning to a singular baby and

1:06:13wood to show up they're not too

1:06:15surprised but it's like she has names

1:06:17for both of them ready to go yeah yeah

1:06:18that was if it's a boy it's gonna end of

1:06:20course they couldn't tell that either

1:06:21she wanted to be surprised to grow

1:06:23little belay oh it's both yeah oh I

1:06:25gotta die now but i gave my name's

1:06:27before I died

1:06:28now i gotta die fortune which

1:06:31just it is this is this is like the

1:06:33height of movie this is like I mean like

1:06:36babies being delivered in movies is not

1:06:38a great track record they're often very

1:06:40large and you know six months old and

1:06:42all of these things and they come come

1:06:44out in like a minute they're perfectly

1:06:46clean

1:06:47ok but Lucas has all of the cgi in the

1:06:49world at his disposal couldn't have done

1:06:51something that would have been it would

1:06:53not have been cleaned don't encourage

1:06:54him to make cg babies that have done

1:06:56children of men i think y'all all CGI

1:06:58the world can't fix the script though

1:07:00and that's the problem here is that we

1:07:02she needs to die and there's no good

1:07:03reason for her to die and she just guys

1:07:06such as they just didn't want him you

1:07:07kill her in so many ways and so cheesy

1:07:10disguise admirably she dies of being

1:07:12said she's got her babies but that's not

1:07:14good enough she said so she dies but

1:07:16fortunately Jimmy Smits and his wife

1:07:18will take the girl not am home and I

1:07:21brought you that beyond that going one

1:07:22way but they'll take the girl boy would

1:07:24be crazy if there had been an accidental

1:07:26switchy to be Smith's the I got to their

1:07:31I got you thank you

1:07:33so she gets to be so so let's get this

1:07:35straight Leia gets to go to Alderaan

1:07:37beautiful we get to see beautiful older

1:07:38on goodbye real estate and um and it

1:07:43gets to be a princess and be awesome on

1:07:46Alderaan whereas i will take the boy to

1:07:48tatooine where he will be in the sand

1:07:50and fixing two rounds no place for a

1:07:53woman budget did he call ahead because

1:07:55i'm not even sure they've got a space

1:07:57phone in their little tattoo yeah I feel

1:07:59bad for Owen and Beru because what if

1:08:00they want to have their own kids now is

1:08:02like that we were gonna have her own

1:08:03kids were kind of the right age when I

1:08:04guess we gotta take and it seems like

1:08:06they never do have their own kids from

1:08:07can tell it was like he just he shows up

1:08:09with the baby tucked into his robot is

1:08:11like a brew

1:08:12I got some for ya don't want to go into

1:08:14too much detail about why I'm bringing

1:08:16his baby but here no nothing to worry

1:08:18about

1:08:19very little chance with this little tyke

1:08:21might someday college to be torched

1:08:22alive and you're gonna stay here I like

1:08:25that Jimmy Smith is totally like so we

1:08:27got two kids dibs on the girl I'll take

1:08:28it

1:08:29yep will take also sending sending Luke

1:08:32to his family under his own name i read

1:08:35in Syria while back about like how

1:08:37obi-wan just totally uses Lucas bait for

1:08:39Darth Vader like that was gonna put him

1:08:41out here with his family

1:08:42we're leaving called Luke Skywalker

1:08:44just sit around wait for Darth Vader

1:08:45show up and kill this kid it's like

1:08:47hiding in plain sight it's it's the it's

1:08:49the the first off they tell him the

1:08:52Emperor tells him that he killed her

1:08:53ok that is actually cool i like that

1:08:55what that is one bit that I like it I

1:08:57like the Emperor lies to him and tells

1:08:59him that you killed him because I feel

1:09:01like that is a great captain be said but

1:09:03again he and I don't like because he's

1:09:04being duped again it's like well he

1:09:05knows that he didn't actually kill her

1:09:06she was alive when he left and he's like

1:09:08but i guess i accidentally killed her

1:09:10and couldn't tell because I of course

1:09:11you can tell you killed a YouTube didn't

1:09:13kill her she was he doesn't know that

1:09:14she's that she was alive when he left

1:09:16are you sure

1:09:17shokdor into unconsciousness I nobody

1:09:19has the farsi can tell when she's dead

1:09:21or now that woman you don't like your

1:09:23voice can tell anything in this movie

1:09:25john the force does not do that because

1:09:27we see obi-wan actually take her pulse

1:09:29at one but they also the four slots and

1:09:31lets the jedis put their hands on the

1:09:33heads of people who are injured and make

1:09:34them better all we want does it in a new

1:09:36hope it gets done a couple times here in

1:09:38this movie this all sorts of head

1:09:39padding to just doesn't it it's another

1:09:42example of him being duped and I think

1:09:45that's okay i think i think that's ok

1:09:47again in that different movie I think

1:09:48that's ok because it's sort of completes

1:09:50his transition like now there is nothing

1:09:51left for him you know and so we've got

1:09:53that story which comes from the Emperor

1:09:55but meanwhile obi-wan and Yoda have

1:09:57crafted this other story which is weird

1:09:59we're going to hide the boy in plain

1:10:00sight on Tatooine and i'll be one is

1:10:04going to be nearby but not trained him

1:10:06or do anything other than hang out but

1:10:07btdubs remember Liam Neeson well hold on

1:10:11hold on

1:10:12ok so so uh so any meanwhile there is

1:10:15another right so we've got her stashed

1:10:18away somewhere else but then before you

1:10:21go to go as he says he says clygon has

1:10:25figured out how to become a ghost

1:10:29you should talk to about it's totally

1:10:31cool yeah it's awesome even was that

1:10:34present well that's like are so that's

1:10:36how ob1 talk to Luke all along he

1:10:40learned it from the ghost of qui gonn

1:10:42they have three movies and they didn't

1:10:43show that anywhere it's like what we

1:10:44know in the original trilogy this all

1:10:46starts to go stalking from ben and if it

1:10:48had three movies to either establish

1:10:50that as a normal Jedi thing or make it a

1:10:52special thing on his way to the last 30

1:10:53seconds of the third movie they actually

1:10:55talk about that like one episode one

1:10:57i'm out i remember reading an interview

1:10:59where he's like oh yeah you see qui gonn

1:11:01dies but you still see his body

1:11:02we're gonna explain why he doesn't join

1:11:05the force like obi-wan does and like I

1:11:07remember waiting for that and they

1:11:08literally shoehorn it into the left's

1:11:10two minutes of the movie and don't even

1:11:12really explain it

1:11:13you know one of those things that did

1:11:14not need an explanation no no just just

1:11:17like that missing planet that the only

1:11:19went into the Jedi library to find the

1:11:20right out like okay I can you know how

1:11:23did why did they erase that well you

1:11:25know is a computer but anyway look at

1:11:27this point we don't have any other

1:11:28Young's to ask the answer

1:11:30no prob now so so qui gonn who we've

1:11:33never heard from Racine is apparently

1:11:35still talking to Yoda and has become a

1:11:37ghost clone or not it but not to his

1:11:39apprentice so i think we established he

1:11:41hates at the beginning the first

1:11:42yeah yeah so the late so they leave the

1:11:45droids in the care of the captain wiping

1:11:49threepio's mind while they have that

1:11:51Padme funeral where she's very creepily

1:11:53holding the thing a child Anakin gave

1:11:55her and we're supposed to feel like this

1:11:57is a romantic sign of loss that just

1:11:58made me think about the creepy age

1:11:59difference again that i always think

1:12:02that that close-up is

1:12:03Hey look we've made her look pregnant so

1:12:05that no one thinks she's here that is

1:12:07that is what it is yeah

1:12:09wait that doesn't make any sense and we

1:12:11see Jar Jar at the funeral and we're

1:12:12reminded that it's all jar jar's fault

1:12:14yes accurate the droid thing wipe only

1:12:18threepio's braid r2d2 like laughs at it

1:12:20yeah or it is like arguing you can't

1:12:22talk you just those bleeps and bloops

1:12:24that no one except for every protocol

1:12:25droid in the universe can understand

1:12:26exactly what you might be important I

1:12:29just like the idea that r2d2 spends the

1:12:30rest like the next 15-20 years griefing

1:12:32c-3po but remember that time we do you

1:12:35want to remember what you if Archie's

1:12:37you could roll his eyes they would be

1:12:38constantly rolling it's just like we do

1:12:41I feel like he says he who a lot in the

1:12:44next couple of years were captain

1:12:46Antilles two last things to do okay

1:12:49first off we need to we need to address

1:12:50not only does the Emperor say in your

1:12:52anger you killed her but we get to hear

1:12:55James Earl Jones asked about about Padme

1:12:58in the famous Darth Vader voice and then

1:13:01we get a dot and then we get the moment

1:13:04which is after he discovers the padma is

1:13:07dead Darth Vader badass villain of the

1:13:09universe

1:13:10says no it's not complete without the

1:13:16stumble out of his little his little

1:13:18prison table oh yeah breaks out all the

1:13:20wrinkles Frankenstein's monster

1:13:21stylishly Frankenstein's yeah I see

1:13:24here's the thing i thought it would be

1:13:25so much cooler if we saw it like a

1:13:27primitive version of his armor like not

1:13:29having him just on like I'm Darth Vader

1:13:31remember me but like like yours from

1:13:33your action figure remember that

1:13:34Taylor's they had would have been

1:13:36awesome in the mask and the stuff all

1:13:37ready to go unless they've got like some

1:13:393d printers in the back or something or

1:13:41that's a standard mask and they're like

1:13:43eight guys who got breathing problems

1:13:45and nothing

1:13:46yeah that's just a sleep apnea mask is

1:13:48this is another place where I I I wish

1:13:51to myself that the prequels head and

1:13:53suck so bad because the shot of the mask

1:13:55sliding into place and the breathing

1:13:56starting up would have been really

1:13:59really great i grieve this film had been

1:14:01different than earned yeah what yeah i

1:14:03wasn't i think i wrote my notes that's

1:14:05the capper man like it's the point where

1:14:06it's like it's just this really happened

1:14:09this is actually how this all plays out

1:14:10this is actually cannon ah I drink the

1:14:13entire bottle of whiskey

1:14:15that's the end of the no drinking game

1:14:18is after you see the scene just drink

1:14:20until you pass out night I think the

1:14:23scene the scene as we end up with is the

1:14:25real capper to the movies the

1:14:27appropriate end but i I just I i

1:14:29disremember like exactly right in that

1:14:32was in that theater i can rewrite the

1:14:34movie as you go but this was almost like

1:14:36a painful thing to watch like that's not

1:14:38what happened he doesn't know it's like

1:14:41what if you really want your not later

1:14:44if you really want to set them up for

1:14:46episode 4 he pauses for a second and

1:14:49then says good

1:14:51oh that would be pro yeah see but no bad

1:14:54because then he started favor and send

1:14:55this is my for my opening statement this

1:14:57is not this does not Darth Vader the end

1:15:00in 20 years of of going around and

1:15:02kicking around because he got fooled

1:15:04into doing this and his wife died and

1:15:05now he's trapped in this suit I just

1:15:07don't feel like that d Glee the darth

1:15:10vader brings to being the enforcer of

1:15:13the Emperor's will across the galaxy and

1:15:16strangling people for displeasing him I

1:15:18just have a hard time drawing a line

1:15:20from this guy to that guy do

1:15:23this is an antique never grows up and it

1:15:25never becomes an adult he is always the

1:15:26little kid the little brother

1:15:28the kid who did I could he'd never

1:15:30becomes fully adult and the any just

1:15:33replaces one authority figure with

1:15:34another he never becomes Darth Vader he

1:15:36really is like that kid in that focus

1:15:38wagon super bowl ad that's what I really

1:15:40think we have yes he is he's dressed

1:15:42like guess he's dressed like darth vader

1:15:44but he's not third fader that's cute

1:15:46honey that's cute on you like you I like

1:15:47your darth vader costume night my kid

1:15:49had more gusto than this Vader it's

1:15:52really more like the kid who got crushed

1:15:53by the flat screen TV

1:15:55it can i mentioned the creepy targeting

1:15:57stand-in at the asbury you because this

1:15:59place because this was the other the

1:16:00other scene we've got is we've got the

1:16:02dossier around the ship and we got the

1:16:03guys and they're out in their death star

1:16:05outfits and we see the structure of the

1:16:07frame of the death star being built for

1:16:0820 years to build that thing but only a

1:16:11couple of minutes to blow it up

1:16:12uh-uh-uh and there's a weird there I

1:16:16thought it was a guy who's supposed to

1:16:17put you in the mind of Tarkin but they

1:16:19made up a guy to look like Peter Cushing

1:16:21they made a model is friday look like

1:16:23they're shutting his corpse maybe like a

1:16:25cgi model rubber mommy could have saved

1:16:27a lot of time and I was really curious

1:16:29about is my google this guy down like he

1:16:31looks nothing like him but there's all

1:16:33these pictures online of like the tart

1:16:35like an actual promo shot of him as

1:16:37target he's not identified as such in

1:16:38dialogue only in the credits appearance

1:16:40for what 10 seconds maybe look at all

1:16:42the time they spent making him up to

1:16:44look like a character just so we can

1:16:45have that link remember those movies you

1:16:47love ya and it's between that darth

1:16:50vader standing on the bridge of a Star

1:16:51Destroyer equivalent the candy for like

1:16:55you know the scene in there we have all

1:16:56these things that are like alright we're

1:16:58wrapping it up you get everything back

1:16:59and then the capper which is we're going

1:17:01to stand on Tatooine in the exact same

1:17:04spot that Luke will stand 20 years from

1:17:06now

1:17:06no they're not going to stand on how to

1:17:08win this this is why was the capper a

1:17:10binary sunset was outdoors this looks

1:17:13for all the world like they're in front

1:17:14of a green screen but it states the

1:17:15transparent attempt to call back ends

1:17:17the best seen in the entire trilogy yet

1:17:20now that they're trying to do that but i

1:17:21think it's emblematic of like they took

1:17:23a scene that was like one of the most

1:17:25naturalistic scenes a new hope right

1:17:27where is actual someone in you know

1:17:29where was ten the actual binding outside

1:17:32on location and they said how can we

1:17:34rekindle that magic I know green screen

1:17:37no that's not how you do it basically

1:17:40they say f it up to the very last drop

1:17:43but you can see what they're trying to

1:17:44do here right this is your montage of

1:17:46memories from the beginning of Star Wars

1:17:48and we're gonna we're gonna grab it and

1:17:50I get ready totally see Luke on tatooine

1:17:53with binary sunset as the last shot a

1:17:56movie you know very early on there like

1:17:58that's the last shot of the movie we

1:17:59just have to get there it shouldn't be

1:18:01too hard right it'll be okay we get

1:18:03there right we did so well with the

1:18:04first two movies we got this one right

1:18:05close your eyes think of Star Wars so

1:18:08it's so ham-fisted is especially the

1:18:10thinking and I and I don't understand

1:18:12why the green screen like the head

1:18:13location shooting there didn't they say

1:18:15Fred they left and forgot to get that

1:18:17shot crap we got to put that one of the

1:18:19schedule allergies doing post and i

1:18:20don't i don't know if it's all green

1:18:22screen think some of it maybe location

1:18:23but there are definitely shots in that

1:18:25for all the world looks like they're in

1:18:26front of a green screen is that like

1:18:27there's no way Lucas at the tunisia

1:18:29again like my understanding was that

1:18:31they shot those scenes during the

1:18:32shooting of episode two

1:18:34we're usually they just didn't know

1:18:35those things were going to be in there

1:18:37and they dropped a man yeah but it

1:18:38doesn't it digitally ancestors fails it

1:18:41fails on so many levels it's a microcosm

1:18:43it's a science emblematic of the

1:18:45failings of this you know not just the

1:18:47plot feelings but this is emblematic of

1:18:48the aesthetic failings of the movie with

1:18:50all that the cg unnecessary cg and

1:18:53people in front of green screens and

1:18:54failing to evoke emotions by doing

1:18:56something in a way that that is not

1:18:58naturalistic yeah we think we can it we

1:19:00think we can improve upon what is

1:19:02natural by like carefully controlling

1:19:05every single element that goes into it

1:19:07to make a perfect thing right but

1:19:09whereas what was great about the

1:19:11original in some way where its flaws

1:19:13where its natural like the things that

1:19:15were limitations of the time that meant

1:19:17that they had to find workarounds that

1:19:18what that's what made that one succeed

1:19:20when it turns out when you can control

1:19:21the entire environment everything feels

1:19:23sterile and dumb

1:19:24well let's see if they could do it

1:19:25better if they could make it so i

1:19:27thought they were on location

1:19:28more power to him but they couldn't they

1:19:30could I didn't pull it off right it's

1:19:32like I don't mind them trying to say

1:19:34we're never going to get this perfect

1:19:35magic our sunset will make one up if you

1:19:37can convince me that they're really

1:19:38there i'll buy it but if you can't

1:19:40convince me don't do it just shoot them

1:19:42on location

1:19:43you just got you know you gotta do what

1:19:44you gotta do to anyway this is such a

1:19:46minor point in a movie that has so many

1:19:48major things wrong with it was just like

1:19:50one little step is like by the way we

1:19:52can screw up scenes instance in big ways

1:19:54and small and here's just one little

1:19:56sharp poke a stick before we leave

1:19:58never have I been less excited to hear

1:20:00the jaunty star wars end music and so

1:20:04the three

1:20:05yeah hey it's over and I kept thinking

1:20:08ugh just like a good why did I that's it

1:20:11for the last hour and twenty as being

1:20:13punched in the face yeah with no respite

1:20:15of any kind when you're praying for

1:20:18stupid c-3po puns

1:20:20you know I know you've been ruined that

1:20:22is dad's that's a bad place to be

1:20:24I felt I felt 30 but i did actually

1:20:26wonder where the terrible c-3po puns

1:20:28where Anthony Daniels i guess that i

1:20:30checked out after episode 27 by spent

1:20:31all the episodes free pretty much

1:20:33checked out and yes I get kind of rolls

1:20:35over me and just like wake up long

1:20:37enough to be angry about bad writing and

1:20:39stupidity but it's just like this and

1:20:41then they didn't do anything to make me

1:20:43like I remember watching us in the

1:20:45theater for the very first time in like

1:20:46I wasn't trying to be standoffish I

1:20:48wasn't being like I'm going to go in and

1:20:50I'm gonna hate this like I'm you know

1:20:51I'm paying to see the movie i'm willing

1:20:54to be up to let the movie take me but it

1:20:56never even never even made a little like

1:20:58tentative gesture towards my

1:20:59heartstrings and like didn't even come

1:21:01close it was just like every part of

1:21:03that is me my no hang-ups part of that

1:21:06is the first two movies maybe being

1:21:07unfair to it but just looking at the

1:21:09movie again without all those hang-ups I

1:21:11felt like it still didn't grab me that

1:21:13clearance the closest I got was maybe

1:21:15like the opera scene where you see some

1:21:16good performances and then as andy said

1:21:19we just spend the rest of the movie

1:21:20making your own movie in your head they

1:21:21would've been better than this

1:21:22yeah the worst thing for me is that it

1:21:24didn't even like episode 1 i'm i

1:21:26actually liked but I realized that I I

1:21:30admit this out right so much of that

1:21:33fondness is because of nostalgia with

1:21:36episode 3 it wasn't even value to me as

1:21:40a nostalgic piece it was this what this

1:21:42wasn't Star Wars this wasn't kept these

1:21:44were characters that I really like and I

1:21:46couldn't even really evaluate this as

1:21:48bad storytelling does this look like

1:21:50here that the ear the that the the line

1:21:53that this is the this

1:21:54is so wrong it's not even wrong it's so

1:21:57that's how not right this is I do

1:22:00does anybody want to place this among

1:22:03the sequel among the prequels it where

1:22:06does this one ranked what what's the

1:22:07what's the best and the worst i mean

1:22:09there is this common thought out there

1:22:11the this is the somehow the best of the

1:22:14of the prequels uh I know we've heard

1:22:17some somehow somebody's opinion here I

1:22:19I'll go first and I'll say you know what

1:22:21for all the terrible things about

1:22:22episode 1i think kind of that episode

1:22:25one is the best one only because in some

1:22:27ways it's not as offensive it is a dumb

1:22:30kids movie family moving but you know

1:22:33it's got the pie and the Padres goes on

1:22:35too long but the i can i can actually

1:22:38like recall what happens in episode 1

1:22:41and it's got some things that are ok and

1:22:43it and it's got some things that are bad

1:22:44and that Lake groundwork for worse but

1:22:47in the grand scheme of things having

1:22:48revisited all of them now I kind of

1:22:50think it's the least offensive of the

1:22:52bunch

1:22:53it also has the benefit of being the one

1:22:54that you can completely separate from

1:22:56star wars in your mind

1:22:58yeah really you know I can separate all

1:23:00three of them but even more so like

1:23:01seven is the child the child Anakin

1:23:03doesn't even connect with the adult

1:23:04anacott so it's like this whole

1:23:06undertaking world that took place in a

1:23:08movie that happen to have lightsabers i

1:23:10can go back and go better than that the

1:23:13it's I think that episode one is my

1:23:15favorite of the three and I think its

1:23:16sexy again I actually enjoyed it partly

1:23:18because even if we divorce it completely

1:23:21from Star Wars i can name a bunch of

1:23:23scenes that I absolutely love like the

1:23:25opening scenes were if you we we see

1:23:27quite on and Anakin escapes from McCann

1:23:30and obi-wan for the first time and they

1:23:32are absolute badass Jedi which we have

1:23:35never suit with what we were used to the

1:23:37elderly lovely don't give into hatred

1:23:40now we want to think very carefully and

1:23:43it's like no they're badasses who will

1:23:45plunge a lightsaber through a three foot

1:23:473 foot what a thick door a carved a hole

1:23:51in it to get at the people on the other

1:23:53side of that door the the battle between

1:23:56between our guys and and Darth Maul I'll

1:24:00against its kind of it's kind of silly

1:24:02to have these berries that drop-down

1:24:03really for no mechanical reason but

1:24:07you realize that wow this is like

1:24:09furious furious hand-to-hand battle that

1:24:12has to stop and you had see you see

1:24:14these two groups of people that like are

1:24:16like caged Tigers just like waiting for

1:24:19this barrier to drop so that they can

1:24:21start fighting again it had it had

1:24:22moments like that where i could say i

1:24:24really enjoyed those scenes even the art

1:24:26direction I i like the whatever they

1:24:28shot in Italy all those interiors and

1:24:31exterior of Naboo with that it's all

1:24:34about Italian architecture that it feels

1:24:36those were felt like real spaces and

1:24:38we're kind of interesting to look at in

1:24:39a way that in later movies it's all just

1:24:42digital you know imaginary digital

1:24:45worlds with people dropped into

1:24:46backdrops and and I don't want to say

1:24:49too much positive about episode 1 I

1:24:50don't think it's a good movie i didn't

1:24:51really like it i think i think it could

1:24:54have been edited much better but

1:24:57compared to the other two anyway what it

1:24:59what other people think we're just

1:25:00episode 3 ranked among the the prequels

1:25:03that's better than episode 2 that's

1:25:05first i'm only trouble placing with

1:25:07episode 2 because like I found episode

1:25:093i found in both very forgettable

1:25:12but if you force me to watch either

1:25:14episode with two or three again I would

1:25:17probably and maybe just realized i saw

1:25:19three i would probably pick to be forced

1:25:21to watch it like they're don't like

1:25:22either one of them it's like would if

1:25:24you had to pick up some sleep episode 12

1:25:26sighs I can adjust Rank 2 and 3 against

1:25:27each other

1:25:28someone said you have to watch one of

1:25:29the prequels and it's like six months

1:25:31from now see didn't just watching one

1:25:32which one would you choose to watch two

1:25:34or three two because you can kiss kind

1:25:35of zone out guys

1:25:38I don't like sand haha i know but listen

1:25:41just had the same terrible line below

1:25:43loves there was a time that I would have

1:25:45said too because i really liked the the

1:25:49Camino stuff but when we watched it the

1:25:52community stuff doesn't look it doesn't

1:25:54look as good now as it did back there

1:25:55now it looks just kind of crowded I is

1:25:58packed with Steve was saying that like

1:25:59the second half of this movie is just

1:26:01just entertain greenery

1:26:03yeah it's not entertained I don't care

1:26:04about that locker room i love dark grim

1:26:06things i hope this is my wife isn't real

1:26:08and gritty in a good way this is andrea

1:26:10morning mars-like watch it is not

1:26:12entertaining because I don't get a grim

1:26:14things only work if you're like if

1:26:16you're caught up in it like oh

1:26:17this is terrible i could you like that

1:26:18type of thing but if you're not caught

1:26:19up with it is just not entertaining

1:26:21there's nothing there to entertain you

1:26:23it's a tough call but i suspect i would

1:26:24i would probably go with three as

1:26:27preferable because even though i don't

1:26:28enjoy watching and especially that last

1:26:30hour or so there's at least a changes up

1:26:33periodically where episode 2 is just

1:26:35video game sequence after videogame

1:26:37sequence after videogame sequence and

1:26:40here the baddies I little bit of change

1:26:42in tone a little bit change in pace

1:26:44I don't enjoy any of it but episode 2

1:26:47honestly it makes me avert my eyes it

1:26:49certainly is because i'm just so tired

1:26:51of seeing the cgi thrust at me

1:26:53constantly creepy and I can i was i

1:26:56think it was thinking episode to wonder

1:26:58what would ever want to see you again

1:27:00about episode 2 like why would I

1:27:01possibly pick that over three this

1:27:03Coliseum scene has them running away

1:27:05from monsters for ya but I'm trying to

1:27:07think of an end of an episode of tv

1:27:08wonder what do I seem to have that I

1:27:10want to see you again maybe the space

1:27:12battle line to get this thing about the

1:27:13movie and you get a ram chip

1:27:14yeah maybe the space battle I'd want to

1:27:17see ships flying around cuz i like the

1:27:19ships but it's like that anyway that all

1:27:20this is to say that that i would

1:27:22probably put episode 1 above the two

1:27:24because i can think of two things in

1:27:25episode one that i want to see again the

1:27:26lightsaber battle which no one speaks

1:27:28and it's a good life three pounds book

1:27:30well choreographed and I guess I like

1:27:33the podrace you know again a lot of

1:27:35dialogue and they race around sort of

1:27:36the rest of movies execrable and yeah

1:27:39thats i would probably say episode 1 is

1:27:41first then two and three are in a dead

1:27:42heat for second but I would never watch

1:27:44anything i think i think what I'd say is

1:27:46episode 2 has some better stuff in it

1:27:49than three but it also has some really

1:27:51nails really terrible stuff and well um

1:27:55I like i said i like the rain the rain

1:27:57planet seen a lot i was good i think the

1:27:59coliseum with the monsters part is ok

1:28:02then of course all the just show up and

1:28:05it's stupid but also that c-3po cracking

1:28:08jokes and little about oh my god that is

1:28:10so good but so this is what i'm saying

1:28:11is i think there's I think there's

1:28:13better and worse stuff into than 3

1:28:15whereas in three I look at a time just

1:28:17like me you know

1:28:18well tell us what what do I want to go

1:28:20back and watch an episode 3 and I can't

1:28:23even I can't pick out a single thing i

1:28:25agree with you on Episode one though

1:28:27it's not depressing and it's not

1:28:30entirely bored

1:28:31which puts it above both of the other

1:28:32films for me yeah unlike us if you are

1:28:35not required to opportunities that some

1:28:37sort of strange podcast torture

1:28:39experiment by an evil mastermind uh-huh

1:28:41then you don't have to watch these ever

1:28:43again and neither do i I never have the

1:28:45watch is ever getting in there this is

1:28:47what I was gonna say is good news

1:28:48everybody

1:28:49you never have to watch the prequels

1:28:50ever and again

1:28:53yeah that's my goal when the force

1:28:54awakens it is going to have one hell of

1:28:56a hangover is well what was the last 20

1:29:00years back

1:29:01jeez I don't remember anything after the

1:29:03equal he walks i scratched out after he

1:29:06walks that was in that blue milk

1:29:10the thing that I alluded to in the in

1:29:12the in the preamble to this

1:29:14yeah I have one really good thing to

1:29:16thank you so did 34 because when we when

1:29:20we were when we schedule this I had a

1:29:23dim memory that maybe I might have

1:29:25bought episode three on DVD like getting

1:29:29used DVD so or something me to about it

1:29:33i bought it used on like five years ago

1:29:35and it just SAT and exactly it's like

1:29:37it's at least as I i distinctly remember

1:29:39i might have bought but never watch it i

1:29:42just bought it because ok for five bucks

1:29:43I will have it and so I looked through

1:29:45like my DVD collection couldn't find it

1:29:47then look through that box that I have

1:29:49of dvds that never made it onto the

1:29:51shelf and then finally made it to well I

1:29:55that is I think there's like a box full

1:29:57of kind of dvds from stuff for my last

1:29:59move like you know like eight years ago

1:30:01or whenever for whatever what the the

1:30:04DMV your cleaning up or just things go

1:30:07into boxes finally 5k there it is

1:30:09follow their that must be here is like

1:30:11episode Star Wars like d.video is still

1:30:13in shrinkwrap just I thought what I

1:30:16found and I would not have found these

1:30:18because they would they were all the way

1:30:19in the garage

1:30:21unless i was searching for episode 3 was

1:30:23I've totally forgot that i'd bought on

1:30:27DVD during like they 13 days it was

1:30:30available for sale

1:30:32the actual uncut the actual theatrical

1:30:35releases of episode 4 5 6 on DVD paired

1:30:39with the restored additions and

1:30:41prohibitions but I had been like I

1:30:44that must have must been really busy

1:30:46when i bought these I had never even

1:30:48opened them and that and now i have on

1:30:51my media server copies of the theatrical

1:30:53releases of the Holy trilogy that I

1:30:56would not have had enough in searching

1:30:58for episode 3 you got the gout

1:31:01yeah georges georges original on also

1:31:04trilogy that's what that's called you

1:31:05that you found the Geo UT I I like holy

1:31:08trilogy I think it's more respectful

1:31:10bear more reverent and i would recommend

1:31:12that if you people always ask me what

1:31:15they should watch for the Star Wars

1:31:16movies that in there like what should i

1:31:18buy or whatever I said buy whatever you

1:31:19want to buy the blu rays or whatever so

1:31:21you feel like you have a morally

1:31:22fulfilled your obligation to give money

1:31:24to the people who made these movies and

1:31:26then go download army specialized

1:31:28edition yeah right now then and that's

1:31:30that's what I keep in my you know if I

1:31:32want to watch Star Wars that's what I

1:31:33watch and I have bought all of the

1:31:35plastic discs with these things on the

1:31:37many of times over

1:31:38so I feel my obligation to Lucasfilm

1:31:40whatever the owners are is more than

1:31:42fulfilled as I bodies movies again and

1:31:44again but i don't watch but Harvey's to

1:31:46specialized is the way to go

1:31:48they look the they're the best looking

1:31:49and it incredible technical job to put

1:31:53them all together based on all these

1:31:55different sources and color corrected

1:31:56and it is the closest you're gonna get

1:31:58to the original idea of what the trilogy

1:32:01is supposed to be at the highest quality

1:32:04and that's the problem with the gout

1:32:06ones they're not great quality right

1:32:08yeah yeah but the harmonies it's that

1:32:11they're taking blu-ray sources and HD TV

1:32:13broadcasts or Alive no meter from

1:32:16Princess laser discs are all these

1:32:18different sources and putting them

1:32:20together and actually in all those

1:32:22sources in the same shot matting things

1:32:24out and occasionally you'll see a light

1:32:26or you know you get the you have the

1:32:27same speed of the landspeeder going by

1:32:29and like parts of it are fuzzier than

1:32:31other parts but it is that's what I look

1:32:33like in the original an awful may look

1:32:34like a smeared Vaseline underneath yeah

1:32:36it was not get like a recent yeah they

1:32:39did but it's a that's the way to go

1:32:40don't you obsessive nerds on the

1:32:42internet I know it's amazing that's

1:32:44that's what the Internet's point it's

1:32:45probably your brain rebels against it

1:32:47and I do i also have the that I also

1:32:49have the fixed if you the special

1:32:51editions but every time I i I'm not even

1:32:53capable of judging it critically because

1:32:56every time something have

1:32:57and in episodes 4 5 & 6 that i do not

1:33:01remember happening for the 20 years in

1:33:03which I saw the classic edition the

1:33:05brain says wait that's wrong that's the

1:33:07at that didn't happen that way and so

1:33:09whatever you have to do to get the

1:33:11theatrical release is worth whatever you

1:33:14have to do to get it for me

1:33:16we're giving you carte blanche internet

1:33:18we forgive you

1:33:21yes do what you must do it I can think

1:33:24of no better way to end this opus this

1:33:28this adventure we've taken through all

1:33:32six existing Star Wars movies just in

1:33:35time for a seventh to arrive this

1:33:38december i don't know what we're gonna

1:33:41do about that but probably talk about it

1:33:43stay tuned for 18 consecutive hours of a

1:33:47telethon about our new sub bass Jason

1:33:50the force awakens sub-caste coming in

1:33:52there's absolutely no way this one is

1:33:54going to suck a chance to make sure this

1:33:58time for sure this time for sure they

1:34:00should call this one can't possibly suck

1:34:02so thank you to my fellow adventurers

1:34:04and Ian Coates been pleasure

1:34:05oh god that was fun Steve let's thanks

1:34:08for taking this journey through the

1:34:09prequels especially with us at an end

1:34:11this podcast is and not short enough it

1:34:13was as serenity Caldwell a pleasure as

1:34:17always thank you for for talking about

1:34:19all these star wars movies with me be

1:34:22that's a good trick did more in thank

1:34:27you very much

1:34:29the pain is slowly subsiding finally

1:34:31after these many years John siracusa

1:34:34thank you i was thinking just to be safe

1:34:37there should be no couches in episode 7

1:34:39no couches that would make me feel more

1:34:41comfortable and anyway for the

1:34:43incomparable I've been Jason Snelling to

1:34:46exile I must go failed i have with you

1:34:49next time