0:00:00I was a crazy day it's we are recording on Wednesday all day is it
0:00:05September 18th so its iOS 7 day as well as the day after all the the embargo
0:00:15lifted on iPhone 5s in five see reviews and joining me today I think for the
0:00:20first time is the first time you've been on the talk show first time Jim
0:00:25Dalrymple I do enjoy doing good you know you pointed out we were both at the
0:00:31Apple shindig last weekend and saw each other like MIT event like while they
0:00:38were talking so we just waved and literally did not say a word to each
0:00:42other I think for the first time ever just resists it was so crowded it was
0:00:48like if you didn't if you weren't already standing next to somebody you
0:00:50had no chance to to just wander over and say hi to the people you know it's funny
0:00:55you mentioned on the phone man O'Malley can I were sick migrated across the
0:01:00aisle from each other we didn't see each other you know it cuz I blamed in
0:01:04camouflage yeah it was a good event though I I know you don't like them
0:01:17the campus as much but I do I like those ones I i don't have any kind of phobia
0:01:26ciety disorder or anything like that but just in general I just don't like crowds
0:01:32I don't like being elbowed elbow with people you know and and tell you know I
0:01:40just giving examples so I don't I'm not a big concert goer I do go to concerts
0:01:43but I have to really like the band to go to a concert because I just don't like
0:01:48being that crowd and that's what that when they're on Apple's campus the event
0:01:55is it's just packed I mean there's there's a wait they they invite far
0:02:00fewer people but even so it's it's just isn't meant for that that's true
0:02:06you know i i dont go to concerts so much either but you wait until your son gets
0:02:10older than you'll be going he might have to invite down taken to the metal shoes
0:02:22and you know I honestly if there is any kind of trouble at a concert Amy be
0:02:27better anyway
0:02:28well I wouldn't ask away I saw I am I I'm interested you know I think we're
0:02:39years away obviously in having broken ground but I think that when the new
0:02:43campus the space ship arrives you know we already know from the plans that have
0:02:47come out that part of the spaceship is compared to the Town Hall Ave now
0:02:52massive amphitheater where I would expect they're going to have all of
0:02:58their future Apple events and I you know that that should be different because I
0:03:02think it's going to be built with the kind of crowds they draw in mind while
0:03:07and it makes a lot of sense i mean you know Apple pulled out of all the trade
0:03:12shows years ago because they wanted to do the room types of events and you know
0:03:16the first event I think that they really held was was under the iPod or the
0:03:22MacBook you know the original white MacBook when they had all those schools
0:03:28while the one big school
0:03:30but others came on later but i i think that they really saw the chance to to
0:03:38control the environment
0:03:39you know and they don't need to go to moscow Amin Lakhani West when you go to
0:03:45an event there it holds thousands of people you know and sometimes I think
0:03:50that they they want more control over what they're putting out and and how
0:03:55that information is going to be around the internet I like the event at the
0:04:00Yerba Buena Center I think that's a really nice facility I think it's a nice
0:04:04stage I mean it was great last year when the Foo Fighters are those sounded
0:04:07fantastic and I kind of like seeing Apple out of the isolated nature of
0:04:18their own campus like I vaguely worry you and i talked about this on the phone
0:04:22but you know Moses it here but I vaguely worried that come to the future
0:04:29spaceship campus that we're literally not going to see Apple anywhere outside
0:04:35their own the enclave of their own campus except WWDC
0:04:40and I don't think that's healthy I'm not sure I'm not sure why and who knows you
0:04:46know this thing is going to be huge who knows what we could see for WC right I
0:04:50thought of that too it doesn't seem practical to me that they would build
0:04:54into their campus facilities for a 45 thousand-person campus are arming
0:04:59conference but I don't know who knows that things gonna be huge
0:05:02yeah I mean maybe the at that point they they can expand it you know and you know
0:05:09part of the reason that they can explain it right now is because they just don't
0:05:14have the resources and you need to know you can only have so many engineers but
0:05:17by that time but that size campus mean downing in Cupertino last week you know
0:05:24I want to see some friends that you know didn't even work at Apple driving
0:05:27through Cupertino every building down there as you know there's so spread out
0:05:33among some of the buildings are miles away
0:05:35yeah that's just
0:05:36and they are you know it's true and and I know a lot of people I'm guessing most
0:05:44people do listen to the show I've never step foot on Apple's campus because it's
0:05:48you know it's out of the way but I know a lot of people who are fans of the
0:05:51company if they're in the area they'll make a pilgrimage you know they'll stop
0:05:55in there is a company store that people can go to one of its I think the only
0:05:59place where you can actually buy Apple T-shirts you know famously they don't
0:06:04they don't sell Apple t-shirts and Apple retail stores and so people go into that
0:06:10but one thing you're struck by and it's you know knowing how big apple has
0:06:15gotten you know that you know biggest by market cap company in the world or
0:06:19second exon order that the actual official one infinite loop campus is
0:06:24relatively small by the by their current standard and it's like you said you
0:06:28think like wow can given out how can they really still be in these buildings
0:06:32and you know you're exactly right there spread all over Cupertino right yeah and
0:06:37it's it's no exaggeration when you look at how far and wide
0:06:43those buildings are i mean and some of them what's funny is that they came from
0:06:48companies like HP and and other large companies that they gave up those
0:06:54buildings and Apple snaps I'm hoping you know they'd put under the people in them
0:07:00and the land for the new campus was from HP to yeah yeah yeah I think truth be
0:07:06told you know some of this growth came so quickly but in the end it's hard I
0:07:11mean it's hard to build a massive spaceships I mean it really is it's it's
0:07:18like a skyscraper that you know you lay down on the ground and form a donut out
0:07:23of i mean but it's you know it's it's as big or bigger than than like a massive
0:07:28manhattan's quite skyscraper in terms of you know Force Base yeah you know and
0:07:34that doesn't happen overnight
0:07:35obviously but it's overdue i mean the company is bursting at the seams on
0:07:39campus
0:07:40well and it's gonna be good for for them I mean I've seen people walking out of
0:07:47of one infinite loop to go to a meeting they open their courage people drive
0:07:51across town now just just for a meeting you know having everybody in in one
0:07:56central place is going to be good for for the whole company because then
0:08:00you'll have you know these the meetings that they have the design meetings and
0:08:04mean you know people and they're not going to be put out by doing this she
0:08:09just kind of stopped by I just worry though that in terms of public relations
0:08:13that it's too it's gonna be to isolating for them I mean people often make the
0:08:16joke that Apple is sort of like willy wonka you know that their secretive and
0:08:22they did you know everyone said I'll come out with these amazing things but
0:08:25there's you know there's that aspect of Willy Wonka to where he you know he
0:08:29secluded himself in the factory and closed the gates and got real weird you
0:08:34know it's true you know and Apple employees are they do go to conferences
0:08:39you know they go to CES they go to all sorts of conferences they just don't go
0:08:44and speak publicly they're just there and you kinda have to look at their name
0:08:48badge to find out there there I just worry about that long term it's that
0:08:54they're too isolated as a company I don't know it's it's going to be an
0:09:01interesting thing to see once once they start moving everything in there if the
0:09:11if they start closing off I don't know if they if they would pose like that i
0:09:16mean the only thing that they're doing is is pulling their employees altogether
0:09:21you know when all the resources that they have been putting those altogether
0:09:26yeah I would say it's two different things I think day-to-day operations
0:09:29it's going to be a huge win no doubt about it and I think you know almost
0:09:32like that the the well I don't think it's a coincidence I don't think it's I
0:09:36think it's the opposite I think it's by design that like Pixar's campus where
0:09:40there they purposefully designed it with this atrium where everybody would have
0:09:44to
0:09:45central atrium where no matter what your job as you kind of have to run into
0:09:48other people that it would be good if the people who were working on the rate
0:09:53racer software would just by coincidence run into the story team and they'd meet
0:09:58and maybe become friends and you know that good ideas can can come out of
0:10:02accidental meetings are going to be a lot more of that sort of stuff I'm
0:10:08saying though from a public relations standpoint for events that its and
0:10:12conferences and stuff it's it's worrisome to me that maybe we'll never
0:10:16see them outside of their own campus yeah that could very well happen
0:10:21considering the scope of what they're building and just let me know what we
0:10:25know about how much control they have over so yeah well I mean they have
0:10:30control over stuff now and you know things are still leak yeah you know so
0:10:36Tim said last year that they were going to double up on security secrecy seekers
0:10:44but yet here they are ya you know I've got a lot of questions about that in
0:10:50this weekend that so that's as good a place to start is annie is for the most
0:10:56part I would say the only thing that maybe he was a surprise was that that
0:11:01the that the 5s went to 64 bit yeah I don't know what to think about that but
0:11:10the bottom line though is that the the stuff that leet I think all of it just
0:11:17came from the Asia supply chain and I don't know that there's anything Apple
0:11:24can do about that that's it's so tough you know despite the fact that a lot of
0:11:32the stuff leak from the Asian supply chain most of the animals who stole
0:11:37wrong the analyst where it's you know that's right it's the people who
0:11:42literally payoff factory employees to sneak out components right right I mean
0:11:49like there's no like analysis to it it's it's just black market bribery to get
0:11:55you know here's here's the gold frame
0:11:57from the iPhone 5s you know where it is and how do you stop that I mean it's
0:12:03almost impossible
0:12:04yeah I don't know software wise almost nothing leaked I mean even something as
0:12:09stupid as innocuous as the fact that it in only in the GIM none of the betas
0:12:14they added on new ringtones and alert tones that didn't leak they had that you
0:12:20know i mean that was the only software surprise but you know didn't make you
0:12:25know and I think I even mentioned last week and sunday was on the show
0:12:28think about this Iowa 7 itself did not leak until they showed it at WWDC now
0:12:34there were rumors that it was going flat that it was a radical redesign it was
0:12:37going to be polarizing but the actual you know what it actually looked like
0:12:41did not leak until they showed it on stage at WWDC
0:12:47the so this stuff that happens on campus in Cupertino they're definitely that I
0:12:51think they have successfully double down on secrecy the stuff that goes through
0:12:55the agent supply chain just leaks like a sieve is that why they're moving some of
0:13:00the manufacturing did the USS or two different places you know they're
0:13:03talking about Brazil and they talk about the us- I wouldn't be surprised if it's
0:13:09part of it you know you always have to read between the lines with these with
0:13:14take him in and fill on stage i mean they're you know they're so polish so
0:13:18rehearse but you know and again this just could be my imagination I'm totally
0:13:23just you know armchair psyche psyche psychologist here but like when when Tim
0:13:30Cook was up there after Craig Federici did the run-through of what's new and I
0:13:35was seven and the next thing was to talk about new iPhones
0:13:38and Tim said something along the lines of some you know new iPhone some of you
0:13:42maybe it could have been expecting us I couldn't help but think though that he
0:13:46hated that he hated hated it that we already knew sort of what the 5s look
0:13:53like hated that we'd already you can I don't know I just felt like I could see
0:13:57it and that the gold it was not a surprise
0:14:00yeah really well that disappointed them I i think you must disappoint them
0:14:05because you know they work for you know a couple years on these products and
0:14:13then they're leaked you know a few months before they come out and Apple
0:14:18loves the surprise they loved that doctor of their their key notes that
0:14:24they can say oh yeah just one more thing but if everybody knows what the one more
0:14:28thing is there and you know it's done
0:14:31Steve hated that and I i have to think that the team does too but you know it
0:14:39wasn't really much of a surprise we we did get confirmation on nocolors and
0:14:45pricing and and things like that but it's gonna be a letdown to get up in the
0:14:50morning and see your new products that will be announced in a month's time
0:14:54splashed all over the internet I think so and I can't help but think that
0:15:00there's maybe maybe that's it's simple enough not to over think it about like
0:15:06why did this 64 bit stay secret and the other stuff didn't I think it's probably
0:15:11because the a seven is if not the most expensive component it's one of you know
0:15:18maybe maybe the display something like that and so would be a lot harder to
0:15:25smuggle that out and
0:15:27a lay person you know like someone who simply assembles them they had no idea
0:15:31what they're looking at you can't look at the a seven and tell that it's you
0:15:34know a 64 bit Raigad you know it just says a seven designed by Apple in
0:15:39California words you know something like that they don't know what it is and
0:15:43they're not I think it's a harder thing to smuggle out if they did I would how
0:15:46would somebody else even tell what it is well and you mentioned it earlier that
0:15:51the secrecy on campus is getting a lot better and that's where they would be
0:15:58developing Iowa seven so you know 64 bit versions of them remember when when
0:16:04Steve announced the Intel version of Mac OS 10 and said there's a building on
0:16:09campus where this has been developed for the last year alongside the other
0:16:12version and nobody knew that that is incredible and if you've ever been on
0:16:18campus
0:16:20you know there are there are people walking around with trolleys with a
0:16:25black cloth straight over them you know so there is a lot of secrecy that that
0:16:33goes on there even from their own employees and the employees understand
0:16:38that you know I think these days a lot of those people that work there really
0:16:44wanna work for Apple and more often than not if you talk to people that work
0:16:51there they believed what they're doing actually means something they they're
0:16:55making changes that are innovating on things and they want to continue to work
0:16:59there
0:17:01yeah because if you don't work there were also you gonna work that has the
0:17:04same priorities yeah you know and I think that you know the same logic
0:17:09applies to Google I think in general you know obviously there are exceptions and
0:17:14I'm sure that there are some people working at Google who used to work at
0:17:17Apple and vice versa but on the whole though they attract different types of
0:17:22Engineers different types of designers people with you know who see different
0:17:28things as the most important thing they could be working on well in for the good
0:17:32ones for these
0:17:33great engineers they do have a choice you know Apple goes looking for them and
0:17:40Google goes looking for them so they they can pretty much work where they
0:17:45won't you know it's not a matter of a boy you better take this job at Apple
0:17:48because you know if nothing else all of these companies try it and and bring
0:17:55over them
0:17:55the greatest so you know talk to I i talked to a developer down their own he
0:18:02owns a company news looking for developers he can't find good developers
0:18:08in the San Jose in the valley basically because they're they're all taken up and
0:18:14you know apple pays them well and everybody gives them you know great
0:18:17benefits Apple Google so he ended up going to Austin should still but he left
0:18:25there it's really hard you know it is definitely a hard thing to and I know
0:18:31you know people leave Apple but the big thing is I know a lot of people who've
0:18:35like left you know either friends or at least people who I would call you know
0:18:40so my friends acquaintances you know they last maybe two years ago and I know
0:18:48some of them who are already back door not because they had to but you know and
0:18:53and it's almost like thats how you do a sabbatical at Apple Inc if you're tired
0:18:57and wanna try something new you leave and you you know go and work somewhere
0:19:01else for a year or two and then if you want and it's still there you go back to
0:19:05Apple and the door is you know usually open if you left you know if you left on
0:19:09good terms and did good work
0:19:11yeah yeah and there's a lot of people that have done that I sure did that I
0:19:16don't think so did he sure was was there and he went to a comedian then came back
0:19:22I didn't know he was at Apple before Macromedia I only knew that he was at
0:19:25Macromedia but it doesn't surprise me I guess I knew that he was a Macromedia
0:19:30that I mean there's a long time ago
0:19:34hard to imagine I was surprised she has got to be the executives been there he
0:19:40must be cuz I know that he had he was you know
0:19:44senior vice president for product marketing before Jobs returned he was
0:19:48like it may be the only guy who survived the return of jobs I think he could be
0:19:57very hard to imagine a modern apple with them for sure it really is you know but
0:20:04you're right and and just going back one step your right though that the host the
0:20:07whole idea that on day one I was 7 64 bit total secret
0:20:12well it's got to be because it was produced at Apple but the most people
0:20:20care about 64 bit well I went into it in my review and you know 64 bit in and of
0:20:30itself no not really worth worrying about
0:20:32it's a developer problem in you know just like with with Mac OS 10 I don't
0:20:36think that anybody really had to worry about it with Mac OS 10 win 64 bit you
0:20:41know unlike every other platform I'm aware of like Windows you know you
0:20:45didn't have to worry about what version of a nap you had you know at all just
0:20:49worked and I think it'll be like that for consumers with that the big
0:20:54difference is the move from the old arm V seven architecture to arm the eighth
0:21:01which has a whole bunch of real performance improvements and it makes
0:21:06sense if you're going to go to RVA to go 64 bit at the same time so in a way they
0:21:12should care because it really what enabled
0:21:15the five asked to be literally like no exaggeration twice as fast as the five
0:21:22from a year ago and twice as fast in one generation of phones is that significant
0:21:33yeah it really like the old days of the pH PC industry you know where it where
0:21:37you can you know you by a computer and a year later for the same price you can
0:21:41buy one that was twice as fast and you feel like man that's you know I can't
0:21:45believe I should have waited a year by my computer it really is like that with
0:21:49mobile
0:21:50it certainly isn't like that with PCs anymore but you know I know a new
0:21:56MacBook area by the day is not twice as far as its better the battery life
0:22:00they've certainly made significant improvements your ear but you know you
0:22:04don't see a doubling of clock speed or not i guess i clock speed but CPU
0:22:08performance year-over-year it's really amazing
0:22:11well and I think people realize now that the PC isn't really what they need
0:22:19anymore you know I mean for all intents and purposes the iPhone is a PC and and
0:22:26you know you and then you have the iPad I work I still work on on a MacBook Pro
0:22:32but you know I can easily work on an iPad I can work on my phone if i if I
0:22:38really need to I don't like to but I can I do a significant amount of work on my
0:22:45phone one thing I do a lot of them my phone is cue up material that I want to
0:22:51link to later in the day so I'll just start my day with the phone in my hand
0:22:56and start reading and if I see something I should link to that from during fire
0:23:01by you know unless I'm gonna be on the phone all day I won't check it all out
0:23:05on my thumbs right there I'll just send it to pin board and then later when I'm
0:23:08at my desk I've already got six or seven things that I flagged to post yeah it's
0:23:15tremendously useful to me
0:23:16well i i do I started using reading list I was using Instapaper but when I
0:23:23started trying a reading list because it syncs now yeah I between all the devices
0:23:28I I tried that of to see how that would work and it's pretty good yeah and it's
0:23:34gotten better to yeah it's not it's not perfect by any stretch but you know we
0:23:40usually what I do somebody asked me you know how long my reading list was not as
0:23:45soon as I i link to something I do it right you know so my my list isn't that
0:23:49long but it's it's a pretty efficient way to do things and now and now you
0:23:56when I wanna put my computer down I usually pick up my iPad and you know
0:24:01that's that's just casual reading you know going through you know the latest
0:24:07things that people send whatever and you know that's that's a more casual type of
0:24:12browsing for me to sit down with the the iPad do that but then you know saving
0:24:18links and things like that but if I have to pull something probably reach over
0:24:24and grab my macbook again
0:24:26yeah I would say it's just as a rough a rough schedule the iPhone is my morning
0:24:33device my Mac at my desk is my afternoon to evening device and then my iPad is my
0:24:40evening case last night was a perfect example so I was late publishing my the
0:24:47embargo was 9 p.m. Pacific on the iPhone reviews and I was I was late as usual I
0:24:57think I published right after midnight eastern time so about three hours late
0:25:01that's actually good for you and that's pretty tired I busy day linking before I
0:25:16really settled down to write I had a lot of notes from the week I mean that when
0:25:20I write this stuff I i've note side note scribbled in investor I have notes
0:25:27scribbled in paper notebooks I have the beginnings in BBEdit of sort of like a
0:25:32text file with the article but I just started like let us do and then I just
0:25:37start writing and i ended up at about six thousand words are so I was tired
0:25:45you know i mean that's a busy day six thousand words I mean I must say I wrote
0:25:48all six thousand words but I kind of put them all together and you know it's
0:25:52midnight and I all the other reviews around and I you know even when I'm late
0:25:56I don't stop and read you know I want to get my review out without being biased
0:26:00by what other people but then are so many reviews it came out on the embargo
0:26:04I'd last thing in the world I would want to do is still be at my desk and read
0:26:09them on the computer reading them on the iPad with a beer in my hand on the couch
0:26:14it was so much better than than the old days before they really was I mean I
0:26:20know you know I'm laying back I'm on the couch in the living room not at my desk
0:26:24I mean I've had you know by the time when you write six thousand words in the
0:26:27date last you a do is to be a desk I agree could not be better and you know
0:26:32what I would not want to read like you can't read and on mushrooms peas you can
0:26:40read that carried out on an iPhone you can read that were the case right I love
0:26:49his because it made my short I loved my link to his today and I said I don't
0:26:56think there's anybody more qualified to do this type of review I mean he just he
0:27:03basically terrorist the thing apart and you know talks about things then the
0:27:09very attack-minded people care about and you need that you really do you know
0:27:18what I was nervous about to take a break in a minute for the first month when I
0:27:20was nervous because I went a little bit more benchmark II and mine than I
0:27:26usually do because I really thought that the 64 bit transition was so interesting
0:27:31and there'd been so much controversy about this going to 64 bit with only one
0:27:36gig of ram is a total gimmick blah blah blah so I really want a lot more
0:27:39technical than I have in a long time and I was so worried because I knew when I
0:27:45read Anansi if he said like kind of a map great performance wise that I was
0:27:52toast so I and I usually do he breaks his up over multiple pages I actually
0:27:59skipped and went to the CPU performance page first just like double check and
0:28:05and everything he had kind of job with mine you know that wow this is about
0:28:09twice as fast your ear and it's faster than all the leading Android phones yea
0:28:14well when i when i look at something like that I i cant to take the you know
0:28:20the end user approaching my reviews and this time I I went for the pain points
0:28:27you know and for me that's and password you know and unlocking the phone every
0:28:33single time and I i did have concerns about the the fingerprint sensor because
0:28:38as I laid over in the review and I was worried it was gonna say ok I'm on law
0:28:43awakened oh you wanna do a fingerprint ok he'll read and you know it just be
0:28:49this painful experience that I can actually type it in faster than waiting
0:28:55for the fingerprint and that would be useless as as a feature that you would
0:29:00want to continue to use them in it has to be fast and it really is you you just
0:29:06press the home button to a two to wake the phone up and just keep just register
0:29:12your thumb on it and I use my time instead of a finger cuz that's how I
0:29:16hold the phone
0:29:17I just rest my thumb on it and it immediately just opened up let's pick it
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0:31:10so my my description of the fingerprint sensor is exactly like you say it's it's
0:31:15so much faster than I think it even has to be the right like my thought going in
0:31:19was exactly the same as yours that it can't be like roughly as long as it
0:31:26takes to enter a passcode it has to be way faster than basket because it's just
0:31:32the way that that any sort of disruption has to be ten times better than the
0:31:40thing that came before it you know and and and just want to go too far off and
0:31:44attention but I think that's exactly the problem that Windows Phone faces Windows
0:31:48Phone is by all accounts really good mobile operating system but it was late
0:31:53and at best it's you know roughly on par with Android and iOS you know it's the
0:31:58same thing it's not ten times better so it just has trouble getting traction
0:32:03whereas the original iPhone was ten times better than what came before it
0:32:07and that's what does so if you're going to get rid of passcodes the thing that
0:32:11you're going to get rid of him with has to be like 10 times better and that's
0:32:15what such ideas it is it is so much faster than I really thought that they
0:32:21were gonna be able to achieve I had like my hopes I hope it's like hope it's like
0:32:25that and they did it by a long shot
0:32:29you know there there are these features that can vote in iowa soror Oosten
0:32:36thing called analyst him when they expose a yeah you know you could you can
0:32:41do these windows and you can have all the stuff going on I never used you know
0:32:47it's one of those things that when it first comes only look at it and say well
0:32:51that's cool but if it doesn't actually remove a problem or a pain point for you
0:32:57then you're not going to end up using it the the hopes that I had similar to
0:33:04yours for the touch heidi was they they were pretty high expectations and had
0:33:10exceeded them for me and it so much and you know we talked about this on the
0:33:13phone so much so that I went to my my five Si and quick hit on the left my
0:33:19phone there on the thing waiting for it to unlock and
0:33:22and I thought oh my god it's broken i've seen that in at least three different
0:33:26reviews of the iPhone 5s everybody knows everybody that shows you the feature
0:33:34works and it and it does remove a problem and it absolutely did for me so
0:33:39that's something that that in itself is a reason to buy the 50 S III think Tim
0:33:45Cook even kind of touched on this i think is wrap up at the end of the event
0:33:50I know he touched on this number when but I think it was at the very end is
0:33:54wrapping it up when he was talking about you know the the new stuff and there's
0:34:00not that much new really I mean there's touch aidid there's the improved camera
0:34:04with burst mode and the slow mo and there's the performance gains but that
0:34:09they really focus not just on adding new stuff but new stuff that everybody will
0:34:15find useful and reading between the lines are to me it's putting a finger at
0:34:21no better example than that the Samsung Galaxy s4
0:34:26the one that was unveiled at Radio City Music Hall with the song and dance show
0:34:30and all this stuff and and and these features they had all these new features
0:34:34like watching a video and then you move your eyes away it'll pause automatically
0:34:39and something where you can somehow moved in manipulate items on the screen
0:34:47without actually touching the glass and then you read all the reviews and
0:34:50everybody says these things are gimmicks and they don't even work that well I
0:34:53don't like it
0:34:54yeah and and now here we are six seven months later nobody even talks about
0:34:58this features nobody says boy all the other Android phones in iPhone need to
0:35:03get this look away from video and have it paused automatically
0:35:08because you know what that's nobody actually has a problem causing the video
0:35:11right screen tap passe well and where you gonna watch video on your phone you
0:35:18know sometime maybe you're in an airport so you know you lift your eyes up and
0:35:22look around and expected to keep going up which I would and then a pause and
0:35:26you wouldn't want that you know it's it's like you said though it's it is
0:35:31hard to find actual problems to solve and and to solve them in a way that it
0:35:37works for everybody and their I I think you just nailed something that Apple
0:35:44does that nobody else does I think that they actually look for the problems to
0:35:49solve instead of coming up and saying I've got this fancy new feature and
0:35:53granite Apple probably does this to you know let's make a backup that looks like
0:35:59it's in space and on your Mac and you know they they highlight that stuff as
0:36:05well but it doesn't seem to me that a lot of companies actually look for
0:36:09something to solve when apple looks at you know the the passcode ok we need
0:36:16people are we want people to be secure and we want them to lock their phones
0:36:20this is a real problem and you know your your phone beeps you pick it up you type
0:36:26in your passcode and then you look at it block and put it back down again and
0:36:31then it beeps again and you gotta pick up a couple so that's an actual problem
0:36:35that people have with with security and they solve that I would like you know
0:36:42people talk about why I'm so mean to Samsung well don't just take you know
0:36:48ten new features and and throw them in there if they don't actually do anything
0:36:55right you're wasting people's time you really are and then and I can see why
0:36:59they do it I do shouldn't but I can see why because they're not actually helping
0:37:02customers because of the features and helpful but but they're doing it because
0:37:07so many people in
0:37:10technology press and the business press have this insatiable desire for endless
0:37:18revolution
0:37:20void the word innovation because I have talked about it that I think innovation
0:37:24means something different than what what the people who say Apple can have it
0:37:29anymore what they say what they think innovation means his revolution they
0:37:32want and knew that the 2007 iPhone every every 12 months that's not gonna happen
0:37:38real innovation is incremental and it's like it's always about going a layer
0:37:42deeper often often going about every once in a while it is about revolution
0:37:47but for the most part it's incremental and and for some reason in technology
0:37:52that's that's where people see this may be because technology is still
0:37:56relatively new field but I think about like the automobile industry and nobody
0:38:00demand stuff like that nobody like when BMW comes out with the new 3 series is
0:38:06is demanding that you know I can't believe that it still has tires on the
0:38:11road and it isn't we don't have hover cars yet you know I mean George Lucas
0:38:15showed us in a land speeder in 1977 why don't why i cant BMW make one you know
0:38:22what they do they work on things like making the doors nicer the trend right
0:38:26it's like you know it's just funny it's funny how like if you get into somebody
0:38:31who's driving like a later model premium car like a 97 BMW still nice car but you
0:38:38get into it and you know what it's like roughly on par with like you know like a
0:38:42mid-range like a Honda Civic today you know what would have happened in in 2007
0:38:48if Apple brought out the first iPhone and it was exactly the 5s with the Iowa
0:38:54seven people probably wouldn't lynch jobs for being a witch
0:38:58right you know what do you need this airdrop thing for what is that kind of
0:39:04witchcraft that you're talking about their Steve and that's that's why it's
0:39:09incremental because as as the technology unfold we realize that there are things
0:39:15that we need to do
0:39:16and there are things that we wanted to there there are different types of media
0:39:21in files and information that we want to share okay well here's the thing called
0:39:27airdrop it took seven years but we didn't know that we wanted that in 2007
0:39:32we didn't even know we wanted the iPhone in 2007 ya xoxo another one word to
0:39:38simple problem and its hey you've got one of these devices I've got one of
0:39:43these devices and we can see each other right here in the room together should I
0:39:46be able to just send you a link or a picture and what do we do before that
0:39:52well text it to me or email it to me or you know no just airdrop do it it's done
0:39:59yeah I did it we are used it last week last week after the going out to
0:40:03California for the Apple shindig instead of flying straight home I went to Denver
0:40:08where I Q branch college where that that's where we ended up recording the
0:40:13talk show but Davis Kissin they whiskers lives there and and Brent Simmons was in
0:40:17town for the 360 back and say no to a convenient way for the three of us to
0:40:24meet face-to-face in and do some work but we used a drop in it was great you
0:40:29know I have a picture in the new show you this year and airdrops there it is
0:40:33you know it was super can be I i often don't run into stuff like that one at
0:40:38home because I like a little like a hermit up here meet about spending two
0:40:46days working like a regular person with colleagues in the same room it it's
0:40:51fantastic
0:40:53could not be easier really great future and it just solves a problem that's been
0:40:58staring us in the face the whole time and that's it in the the greatest
0:41:04features I i think are the ones that solve a problem that you don't realize
0:41:10there's a solution to
0:41:12you know there is there's another thing that's a pain point while there is a
0:41:16solution text that file to me that's fine but there is a better solution and
0:41:21you know we didn't even know that there was a solution needed that we we didn't
0:41:24already have but there it is
0:41:27you know those are the ones that you'll end up using the end and just to just to
0:41:33clarify looking at those shoulders bio and Apple it says since rejoining Apple
0:41:39in 1997 so you're right he was there before I I thought I thought I better
0:41:44clarify just in case of his room you know you probably had the scoop at max
0:41:48central 95 or whenever it was when when when he left to go to Macromedia that's
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0:44:45so I think that there's a pretty clear consensus that the 5s is great upgrade
0:44:56five see is is great fun you know clearly its spec wise it's the same as
0:45:02the the five if you have an iPhone 5
0:45:04you're not going to upgrade to the five see you know you're just except for the
0:45:08color line of people will do this I don't think anybody who already has a 52
0:45:14means somebody might say nobody but you know it's hard to recommend the file yes
0:45:19it is the if you already have a five is the 5s a worthy upgrade yeah I think so
0:45:25you know if you're willing to pay that the price that it you know everybody
0:45:31already has a 52 year ago if you if you're willing to pay the price I think
0:45:36it's worth it i mean i think is probably worth it for the camera
0:45:39yeah but I'm a dummy i've i've bought my own new iPhone every single year and I
0:45:45have never regretted it though so maybe I'm not that I don't like money well
0:45:49spent to me but it's it totally feels like a solid upgrade to me now
0:45:54the cameras one of the last things that I looked at it I am I see walking around
0:45:59even at the event last week and you've got the nice DSLR you know you've got
0:46:04nice camera I don't because I totally sucking photography I'm just terrible
0:46:11and if if my iPhone doesn't take a good good pitcher then I just don't have good
0:46:17pictures so I need any the iPhone camera to be good I do like 22 film videos and
0:46:25I filmed some videos for the review of the slow mo feature and and put them in
0:46:31their of my dogs playing frisbee and the videos were always you know they're
0:46:37always very cool because one of my mind Border Collies Herald he just had loves
0:46:41to jump as high as he can throw the frisbee
0:46:44and so it was great I want you know you throw the frisbee and he jumps like five
0:46:49feet in the air
0:46:50catches this thing and I slow mode that section of it it was brilliant I loved
0:46:55it
0:46:55yeah it's a really clever you know and I it is an intersection of hardware and
0:47:01software I mean obviously the hardware the camera itself hardware has to be
0:47:06capable of shooting a hundred and twenty frames per second which not a lot of
0:47:10very few cellphone size cameras can but it's more than that though it's the
0:47:16software where it's so easy to pick the points where you want it in slow mo easy
0:47:25enough to make the whole clip slovo easy enough to say you know forget about the
0:47:28slow mo I don't want any of its loan I just want the video at regular speed I
0:47:32forget the same whatever you want it is so easy to to specify yeah he's standing
0:47:38points you know it seems so obvious once you've seen in you you know I'm sure you
0:47:44know by next year when it lots of phones have this that you know all sorts of
0:47:48Android phones are going to have the exact same interface but that's sort of
0:47:52interface that seems so obvious once you're seeing that it's not obvious you
0:47:56know in no its not I mean thinking about going in and saying OK slow mo video do
0:48:03a export standard is a pic the pirate automatically or you know what happens
0:48:08here and the thing is I I did three separate videos and I picked the the N&O
0:48:16points and then you export the video and Sharon that's you know I said I emailed
0:48:23it to myself but then you can go back in and picked new window points you know
0:48:28the video is still there the the ability to do slow mo is still there the ability
0:48:33to change it up you know so you can do whatever you want as long as you have
0:48:36the video on your iPhone you know and and then re-exported and mail it to
0:48:42yourself again yes so the way it works behind the scenes when you shoot a slow
0:48:46mo clip it shoots the whole thing at $125 per second so it's four times the
0:48:51number of frames that it regular 30 frames per second videos
0:48:54but then you said these in and out points and they're just saved as
0:48:57meditate on the file and then when you export it it'll export version that does
0:49:0230 frames per second at the real speed and just goes you know it couldn't be
0:49:08better at all I think it's a lot like the way the filters work on the still
0:49:11pictures where it doesn't really save them it saves the filter as metadata and
0:49:16it only really does the application of it at full resolution when you export as
0:49:23something else to notables on the third video that I posted you can actually
0:49:27hear the audio being slow down as well and the dog was really kind of close to
0:49:34me when he when he jumped and caught the the frisbee you can hear his teeth
0:49:40grasp onto the frisbee in slow mode I got it's great it's great I i I loved it
0:49:51one of the things that struck me especially with these new camera
0:49:56features on the 5s
0:49:58the burst mode and the slow mo is it is and you know and I think that the last
0:50:05year or I guess it was I wasn't last year was that the introduction of Iowa
0:50:09seven but that was back at WBC when they added the built-in Instagram style
0:50:13filters is how clearly Apple is designing this for the idea that your
0:50:20photos are never really gonna leave your iPhone you might sink them to iPhoto on
0:50:24a Mac or something you might or some art Lightroom or Aperture something you
0:50:28could you can if you want but you're no longer are expected to write your your
0:50:33phone is the one-stop place for the entire photo experience
0:50:38cause I think back like I used to shoot film I used to you know I got into
0:50:42photography in the late nineties and shot you know film into my first you
0:50:46know Canon SLR shot on film and and the first couple years after my son was born
0:50:51all the pictures I shot on film and what do you do with film are you taking get
0:50:55developed and you get prints and then take the Princeton and you know throw
0:50:59out anything that turned out bad and take the good ones and put them in a
0:51:02photo album and there you go that's what you do what did you do with digital
0:51:07photos right that was a big question when when we first went to digital and
0:51:11before I photo existed what we do is we we hook up the digital camera to your
0:51:16computer and you dump all the files into a folder in the Finder and have all
0:51:21these pictures and you'd like open them up in something and and look at them and
0:51:26maybe throw out but then you just you just wound up and up with a thousand
0:51:30photos and not written all have like these names like IMG underscore 568 died
0:51:38jpg right in all caps of course right now and there was a serious question and
0:51:46then when they when Apple first came out with iPhoto that was how Steve Jobs
0:51:51Pittston as I looked at that's nonsense here will help you organize your but I
0:51:56think you know you know and and I photos a great app and it certainly made that
0:52:01better but it wasn't good enough and I don't feel like I feel like the true
0:52:06solution of what do we do it digital photos is is the iPhone it's keeping
0:52:15them on the device and then finding one's really want to share and sharing
0:52:19them you know to Instagram or two Flickr or to email or a text message or or
0:52:25whatever right there right there is no sync process there is no move it to a
0:52:30real computer and then do something hit the iPhone is the real computer and you
0:52:35can get rid of the red eye right there and you can adjust the color balance you
0:52:39know put some kind of filter on to give it a warmer look or or a black-and-white
0:52:44look right there do you think that's for everybody though I do I think it's way
0:52:48more for everybody
0:52:50and Dan's thinking by USC be cable connecting it to something even like
0:52:56iPhoto and then doing those things because for the most part I think you
0:53:02want to do something like posted to Flickr or send it to a friend or a
0:53:07family member or something right after you took the photo that's true right I
0:53:12feel like you know you go on vacation and it's so much more fun to take a
0:53:17picture of you in front of some kind of landmark and then send it right after
0:53:21you took the picture then to do at eight days later when you get on that part is
0:53:26true what about the people then you know like many she may post on Facebook
0:53:32profile picture something but then she likes to get home in organize your
0:53:36pictures and you know vacation this is where we went to look at them because
0:53:39it's a nice big screen make make a book what you do you know your know if that's
0:53:44what you like to do its your no worse for the wear right now it's no skin off
0:53:49your back you can still do that in this is like a new convenience added on top
0:53:52but the thing that really also made me think about today was David Pogue's
0:53:55review of Iowa 7 I think mentioned that when you set a filter in iOS you take a
0:54:02picture in in you use one of Apple's built-in filters and then you sync your
0:54:08phone to your computer and sucking in iPhoto or whatever you don't get that
0:54:12filter you just get the photo you shot the filter is just like metadata that on
0:54:17the iPhone and it only really gets applied when you do it from the iPhone
0:54:20it makes sense to me and that doesn't surprise me but it did surprise pope so
0:54:27maybe you know I saw the the link that you posted on that yesterday maybe that
0:54:35is the way that they're heading you know they're just easing into it I don't
0:54:39freak people and you know and the big one for me and I wrote about my review
0:54:45but the burst mode is just so I opening you know and like you said I have a
0:54:50really nice Canon 5d I have some really nice lenses for it I'm not a
0:54:54professional photographer are not even a prosumer
0:54:57maybe like avid amateur but I do like shooting in you know call it burst mode
0:55:04colleague continuous mode especially you know shooting kids you know but just
0:55:08hold the button down and shoot as fast as the camera will go for a second or
0:55:12two and your it just increases the odds that on one of those once you get your
0:55:19subjects were in focus their eyes are open and the light looks good on him but
0:55:24then what do you do with the rest if you just shot 12 photos and then it's like
0:55:27delete delete delete this the one that was good or not the burst mode software
0:55:35interface on the iPhone is again in hindsight of course this is how but not
0:55:43have never seen a camera that work like that before you know where you go open
0:55:46up the burst when you're ready and you just click a button says favorites and
0:55:51then it shows you all of the photos in the burst in a timeline and it
0:55:55automatically makes I can guess as to which one is the best using like the
0:56:00facial recognition and stuff I haven't used them in a week isn't long enough to
0:56:05really test how good their guesses so I just didn't comment on it but you know
0:56:09it might do pretty well seems like the facial recognition for focus has always
0:56:12worked pretty well on the iPhone you pick one you pick to you could pick none
0:56:18but you pick however if anyone knows that you pick get saved as their own
0:56:23items in the photo role and then you can do it Hoeber stack in one action it is
0:56:28it is so great interest and it's so much quicker than like the old way like with
0:56:36my Canon which is a $2000 camera I think maybe I get 2500 camera
0:56:41if I shoot a burst of 20 photos it's easier for me to make my selects a pic
0:56:50the one or two keepers and throw out the other 18 once I think to Lightroom my
0:56:56computer and do it on my computer it's a total pain in the ass to do it on the
0:57:00camera just died as I just don't even bother bother trying because it's like
0:57:04the league confirmed the league and forget it you know what I mean I'm
0:57:08whereas the iPhone now the iPhone 5 ass has now made it where it's easier to do
0:57:15your pics keep your selects and get rid of the other ones it's way easier on the
0:57:22phone then it would be to do it in iPhoto or Aperture library yeah like
0:57:26they've totally inverted the model of where it's easier you know where where
0:57:31your first pass triage of your photos is easier done couldn't be happier with it
0:57:37and that's just what you want and again another pain point and so you know in
0:57:42terms of people who are upgrading and have to pay the full price because there
0:57:46are still on contractors have a iPhone 5 to me a good point and shoot camera is
0:57:51still worth you know the 23 $400 you know I that to me factors into the price
0:57:58of upgrading to the 5s is that it's you know it is a great point and shoot
0:58:03camera and that's what people like me need i mean you know you can tell me
0:58:09that it has you know an F 2.5 I I don't know what that means you just speaking
0:58:17gibberish to me as it should be I i just if I can take the camera and you know
0:58:25when many can I are going on vacation or something and we look at what we have to
0:58:30pack do we need a camera no I'm done gonna use the iPhone you can bring
0:58:35camera if you want to use the iPhone and that's always use so it's important to
0:58:39me that it focuses properly and you know using the the burst mode is going to be
0:58:47great for me because I take such a picture that using the burst mode and
0:58:52then to go in and how
0:58:53you know recommend oh here's here's a good one
0:58:57you know this one has the right lighting and you know it's not blurred and it's
0:59:02all OK iPhone 5 I'll take your advice and I'll keep that one the rest of them
0:59:10delete the most surprising statistic i've seen in awhile as I thought it
0:59:14would be a big number and it was way better than I thought was a week or two
0:59:19ago when I was writing about Nintendo and and how you know I think that their
0:59:23handheld market is is serious danger due to the post-pc but Nintendo aside I as
0:59:33further example of devices being disrupted I wanted to look up what's
0:59:36going on with the point and shoot camera industry and and it was I think it was
0:59:4042% that Wall Street Journal reported a few weeks ago that point and shoot
0:59:46camera sales were down 42 percent in just 12 months which is almost almost
0:59:56phenomenal bottoming out of the market right and i think that it's one of those
1:00:02things that aside
1:00:03well the damage was done between 2012 and 2013 outta love allowed no way I
1:00:09think that when you see a trend line like that I think you're going to see it
1:00:12happening you know next year's gonna be like another 40 50% that there's just
1:00:20less and less yes the optics the actual like physics of light going through
1:00:26lands and hitting a center are way better on a point and shoot camera that
1:00:31has you know a big dedicated lands way bigger compared to the phone but you
1:00:36can't be the software and you can't beat the conductivity and the apps and the
1:00:42social sharing that you get on the phone you know the camera that with you is the
1:00:45best camera and isn't that the way that that a lot of this stuff is it's making
1:00:51the camera or whatever it is good enough it's there it's with you you trusted
1:00:58you're willing to use it
1:01:00yeah that's that's exactly what it is for me
1:01:05its exact same way that we're we're PC laptop sales have dropped off with
1:01:10tablets it's not because tablets are faster than Windows and Mac laptops that
1:01:15they're more powerful more multitasking bar that the screen is as big or that
1:01:20you can type as fast it's a it's that it's good enough and that it's so much
1:01:26easier and nicer right that's how disruption works you know you think
1:01:31you're safe because he respects and in the meantime the the disruptor is is the
1:01:37bottom and and the same thing happened i mean you talk about you know this
1:01:43statistic with with cameras look at printers when's the last time you
1:01:48printed anything and it's not that disrupted and replaced with something
1:01:52else just became absolutely I would buy a printer that can only print airline I
1:02:02i mean we we still have a printer and it's on the network because my kids are
1:02:09both in the university and they need to pass in papers and you know why they
1:02:15don't just have them email the papers and I don't know this day in age but
1:02:19they have to print it off my son is in fourth grade and has allowed to email us
1:02:23homer in there you go to university in Canada so there's there's universities
1:02:31are slower to move they they still take dogs words to say I would want to print
1:02:37maybe because I would want to make sure the fun turned out alright I don't trust
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1:05:52question are now are no signs no I don't think there's only so many questions
1:05:56here this worked out so well that I don't even have any good why is iowa
1:06:01seven so much better on the iPhone and the iPad I like it on the iPad
1:06:08you know there seems to be some mixed reaction that I kind of expected last
1:06:13week that they were gonna only released this week for iPhone and release it for
1:06:18the iPad next month when I think everybody expects there to be another
1:06:22Apple event to do it just seems to me like I S seven is about a month behind
1:06:29on iPad it wasn't ready at WWDC the first beta you know is always two or
1:06:34three weeks behind it still feels two or three weeks behind me that's not to say
1:06:37it unusable because I've been using I was seven on my iPhone iPhone since July
1:06:43and it's been fine I've had it you know find summer using iOS 7 is my main OS
1:06:48agreed and I have been using it on my my iPad sensible those at the same time and
1:06:54I i don't have any problems with it yeah but I do have heard from other people
1:06:59have seen some people on Twitter who are seeing some real performance bottlenecks
1:07:02David Bernard friend of the show
1:07:06guy behind all the app cubby apps was tweeting and took video of he was
1:07:10changing the wallpaper on his iPad Mini after updating it to the Iowa 7 p.m. and
1:07:16it it are you shooting a vine you know the vine only gives you six seconds
1:07:21divine wasn't long enough to show how long it took for the wallpaper changed
1:07:25take place so I mean obviously there's you know but I i try to myself I change
1:07:30the wallpaper didn't I didn't see that so it's not like well everybody's iPad
1:07:34Mini takes seven or eight seconds to change the wallpaper I i mean there's
1:07:38obviously something wrong on his I don't know I just feel like there is a point I
1:07:44do feel like it has been true that iOS iPad iOS 7 has been a few weeks behind
1:07:48but I don't know I it'll be interesting to see you what happens today and
1:07:54tomorrow after people upgrade you know whether there's an outcry from iPad
1:07:58users in particular vs iPhone users but I'm with you my me personally with with
1:08:03my iPad Mini running the Iowa 7 p.m. I i like it better than I liked it running
1:08:08iOS 6 yeah there's a good question is Jim jealous that Apple gave you a pink
1:08:16five see know what color did you get a good green here's a question from a guy
1:08:26named Craig Hockenberry
1:08:29that sounds like a weird name does a green iPhone get lost in a beard like
1:08:34snot I can't answer I have neither green eyes beard rau but luckily jim is here
1:08:44with my I have to admit that I I did have a green iPhone but on the the first
1:08:52night a collage seen it since
1:08:56just interrupt the questions you know what my favorite little feature of iOS 7
1:09:04is it the fact that there is no longer a limit attacks now I you know used to be
1:09:14eight and if you had aid and opened another link like say I give you just R
1:09:20in Safari and I saw that there was a little corner then I knew they don't
1:09:24open a new tab to a close one but what would happen if they'd be in mail click
1:09:28a link and it would go to Safari and it would like erased it would overwrite
1:09:32like the oldest tabloid had open but then I'd be like what was that maybe
1:09:35that was something important now it just keeps opening an opening an opening it
1:09:40doesn't magically keep them all in RAM you know the way that sometimes in all
1:09:45tabs you have open in Safari you have to have to reload it from the network
1:09:53before it'll actually show the content it doesn't magically keep them all in
1:09:56RAM because you know that you know actually only still 1 gigabyte of RAM
1:10:01but remembers the URL and it now remembers a screenshot of what it looked
1:10:06like so the tabs that have been erased from memory when you're paging through
1:10:11your tabs it still looks like the tab so you can identify the usually yeah I have
1:10:16I have found this to be such a great preacher and it's one of those things I
1:10:21always knew it was an annoyance that the ninth tab open safari would overwrite
1:10:26the first
1:10:27but now that I can keep you know I can have 12 13 14 open its what a great
1:10:33feature and I really like the interface for flipping through them too I think
1:10:36it's really great and and when you when you tap on the one that you want a
1:10:43conflict zone from the bottom
1:10:45you know that there's a lot of these things like like that and like
1:10:50multitasking that I really like in a kind of shows that even though Apple
1:10:56moved away from from the morphic design a lot they still do care about the
1:11:00details
1:11:01definitely I don't so you know that's a good question for you had concerns when
1:11:06when when the rumors were first coming out about the move away from school
1:11:10morphism you read a really good piece on on on the loop about how a you know
1:11:16you're a little worried about this if it's true you don't want to prejudge it
1:11:19you're gonna wait and see what they show you but you like you like the attention
1:11:23to detail i do what do you think about Iowa seven in that regard they still
1:11:31that's I guess that's the thing there's there are so many details that they
1:11:35looked at I really do like some of the disc in Norfolk elements that Apple and
1:11:42in its own way you know I the shredder in a spot you know stuff but it was cool
1:11:48then there's there's no way around it but they've replace that with I think
1:11:55more dynamics you know I know the people are are against the the icons flying in
1:12:02from behind or in front of the screen and I kinda like it I love it you know
1:12:07it it gives the the phone
1:12:09feeling of interaction with a you really having to do anything you press the
1:12:15button and watch it go and I i wouldn't want to get rid of that right I think
1:12:20one of the best ways to put it is maybe it's it's a DivX changed one style of
1:12:26flourishes for a different style of flourishes it's not though that they've
1:12:31gone plane
1:12:33right and and again I like Windows Phone if I had to use of some some phone other
1:12:39than an iPhone I would definitely no doubt in my mind choose probably a Nokia
1:12:45Windows Phone over any Android phone I really do like it better but I think
1:12:51Windows Phones flat look if you well if you want to use the F word and we all
1:12:56know how much we all of the effort I think they're look is plain and truly
1:13:04flat in a way that Apple's is not because a boy you know I can't emphasize
1:13:08enough to use Iowa 70 I think by the time the show airs a lot of you know
1:13:13there's a lot of people are gonna be like one or two days into iowa 7 it
1:13:18isn't flat it's it's the buttons are flat maybe but the actual interaction
1:13:25from the home screen to the app to Notification Center is very three
1:13:32dimensional its layered and I think it's and I think that the transitions the
1:13:36animations between those layers are just great and i think i think it really
1:13:40shows that they still sweat the details just like they used to
1:13:43when they were making the felt in Game Center really look as much like felt as
1:13:48they could it's just a different a different way
1:13:50yeah that's that is a great way to put it so you know do I miss the felt no I i
1:13:58dont it's it's that kind of interactivity of things leg I I like the
1:14:06familiarity of if I'm gonna do shred something I like to see a shredder I am
1:14:11I P stupid but I like to see a shredder I like the shredder too but you know
1:14:17they they focus on on different things now and you know what if you if you have
1:14:21the
1:14:22the five hours and I'm looking at it right now and if you tilt the screen
1:14:28you know the background will move and they have that takes power in the phone
1:14:35in order to get that done so you know i'm i'm happier than when I thought I
1:14:39would write good enough I here's a good question totally serious this one from
1:14:45Justin Hicks to the two of you believe Apple has much bigger plans for the
1:14:50fingerprint scanning technology that's a tough one because you know right now
1:14:59Apple has to be wary of all the info security experts out there in the fact
1:15:05that it's very safe but I would think that the the fingerprint would be a
1:15:13great thing to do i mean you can purchase with it and so i i think yes I
1:15:19think they definitely bigger plans now I think I like a lot of stuff without Paul
1:15:23don't don't get too caught up in like the next saved one two three four months
1:15:30take a bigger view maybe maybe a lot of it won't come out for a year until I O
1:15:34Si but I definitely think that they have bigger plans for it so one thing that
1:15:39was missing it was announced at WWDC in it was in all the seeds over summer of
1:15:44Iowa 7 was iCloud key chain which I thought was working pretty well for me
1:15:50is not in Iowa seven point zero or the just released a few hours ago seven
1:15:55point zero point one and they didn't mention it last week I heard and I saw a
1:16:00couple other people heard you know that doesn't even seem to be a secret that
1:16:04it's probably gonna come out with maverick's when Pakistan Mavericks 10.9
1:16:11ships in a couple of weeks probably
1:16:14and that it will come back to Iowa seven then so it's not that they've got it
1:16:18done today abandoned its just wasn't quite ready right now
1:16:23well I mean in in actual fact that's what you need if you need Mavericks in
1:16:27order to really share along well it's not true though because what if what if
1:16:31you don't even have a Mac what if you just have an iPad and iPhone I to iCloud
1:16:35keychain is useful to you right now is today so I don't think you need
1:16:39Mavericks but you know apparently that's how they're going to how and when
1:16:44they're going to demo it but anyway I can't help but think that at some point
1:16:48in the future
1:16:49iCloud keychain combined with touch I D would be great
1:16:54right you know not now you know one Password is a great program and and I
1:16:59hope you know have a long future ahead of them but built into the OS wouldn't
1:17:03it be great if you need to fill in
1:17:05password in a website that you could just do it with their thumb injuries are
1:17:10absolutely i mean obviously you know I'm glad I don't have to be the guy
1:17:15designing this here because I used to be pretty good at math like high school but
1:17:21I'll tell you what I wasn't serious I need serious pressure too because you
1:17:27gotta get there right but you know Apple has smart people who can do it and I
1:17:31think that'd be great feature and you know the other big thing everybody is
1:17:35going to speculate about using your phone for payments you know going to
1:17:40Starbucks and buy a coffee in and pay for it by putting your scanner instead
1:17:46of you know I could bar codes again
1:17:48well here's here's something else do you allow third-party access to that I think
1:17:53so too but that could be the sort of thing right see it happening and let's
1:17:57say I was eight break points that they've had a year to shake some stuff
1:18:03out but I think yes I think bottom i just i think they're very big plans for
1:18:08the fingerprint scanning alright
1:18:13my comments you find you're using the new 5s camera features in daily use a
1:18:21more of a novelty like panorama I think burst mode is a daily thing I don't
1:18:27think I think unless europe subjects are like posing like in front of something
1:18:32and standing completely still there's no reason not to shoot a burst you know if
1:18:37the kids moving around or you're shooting like kids playing soccer or or
1:18:43you know if you're trying to get a still photo of your dog catching a frisbee
1:18:47the burst mode to me is a is an everyday I think that's why they made it it's not
1:18:52a mode you just hold down the shutter button right burst mode to me is is a
1:18:57game-changer III I know that that's a cliche but it really I think it really
1:19:03is I think it changes the way out take away it is particularly changes you know
1:19:07i i cant imagine using a third-party camera app to shoot photos you know
1:19:12whether I'm going to Instagram it or you know you some other apt to put the
1:19:16filter on I I already shot most of my photos using the built-in system camera
1:19:21and now I'll do it for sure because it's the only a person
1:19:24well and and clearly I like the feature you know I have instances where that
1:19:33will definitely come in handy
1:19:35you know you know what I would like to see and I i did point that I would like
1:19:39to see better night shots and low-light conditions shots yeah I think that's
1:19:44where they're really running into the physics you know that you know and you
1:19:48don't have to know what F stops are you don't know it's you know it's just
1:19:54simple physics
1:19:56the bigger the distance between the glass in the center of the moral the
1:20:00bigger the glass can be and the more glass there is the more like comes in
1:20:04and the bigger the distance the bigger the center itself can be a bigger
1:20:08centres can get a better exposure in low light than a small sensor now compare
1:20:12like that big honkin Canon SLR you saw me with last week the iPhone 5s and you
1:20:19see that there are serious just simple physical limitations I mean it's this
1:20:23tiny little lands and the center is only less than a quarter of an inch away
1:20:30amazing that it does as well as it does I would be surprised if they've got you
1:20:34know Apple in particular is working on truly revolutionary technology in that
1:20:39regard but the iPhone 5s is not it is improved it does take better low-light
1:20:44pictures but true as of yet as of 2013 there is no breakthrough technology that
1:20:51lets you take the sort of low-light pictures you could take with a SLR and a
1:20:56really fast lens on something this size I was when I was in London a couple
1:21:09weeks ago I went out for a walk it was like midnight went for a walk and ended
1:21:13up in Trafalgar Square and took a nice shot posted it on facebook and when I
1:21:22get back to the hotel later I looked at it and it was just it was crap you know
1:21:27grainy in awful and see this is where me not being a photographer I look at it
1:21:33and say no but I guess there's something called physics that is a good question
1:21:44lot of people asked about this so the big news with the five see again it's
1:21:54not an engineering difference it's a marketing and branding change from prior
1:21:59years but that alone that's not to diminish it I thought I love marketing
1:22:04and branding I think it's as important as an engineering upgrade like the 5s
1:22:10but they've clearly split the iPhone into a family of new products right like
1:22:17the way the MacBooks have the MacBook Airs and the MacBook Pros the way the
1:22:21desktops have IMAX and Mac Pros and now we have five sea and the 5s where you
1:22:28think the names are gonna go next year presumably presumably the high end one
1:22:34is going to be an iPhone 6 but what I i'm really loud applause i mean Apple's
1:22:41naming often confuses me I I honestly have no idea what to guess cause I I
1:22:47dunno I think that they're going to have now that they've split into their gonna
1:22:51have to dive into gonna have two new ones every year
1:22:54well they they pretty much have to write I think next year will see a new
1:22:58high-end phone that replaces the 50 S I think we will see in new mid-range phone
1:23:04that replaces the five see in my guesses the five seed today's 5 see will move
1:23:10down to the free with contract range and and then but what will they call them I
1:23:17really have no idea I don't know how to guess yeah and you know they could end
1:23:21up in naming convention trouble every year but will the figure something but
1:23:28yeah that's a good I mean they can't just name it well I suppose they could
1:23:32they could name in the sixth and the six see or do they go the sixty squared
1:23:38here's here's my best guess but I would not want to wager more than five bucks
1:23:45on it is that they would go to iPhone 6 just plain 60 letter and that's the new
1:23:53high-end one and that mid-range ones days plastic maybe they change up the
1:23:58colors and it would be called the iPhone 5 see s they've gone to letters before
1:24:04they had the 3G S but so I don't think would be unprecedented would be the five
1:24:09ccs would be like an iPhone 5 see but with the a seven and maybe the better
1:24:14camera with the burst mode and that's my best guess but I really don't know
1:24:19yeah it's a good guess very hard for me to get these names really confuse me and
1:24:28really almost it almost makes me happy that they've done with iPad they just
1:24:32call iPad and we just go for you know we the writers have to just go like fourth
1:24:35generation right here
1:24:47performance seems a little leg in my current gen iPod Touch I haven't spent a
1:24:55lot of time with iOS 7 now the iPod Touch is for ass caliber rifle and a
1:25:04five in fact I don't even think I installed it on my for us I think I kept
1:25:09my for s right I was six I sort of need my old iPhones down for testing
1:25:17yeah I've heard that from other people and in fact I like I've heard a couple
1:25:23they even you can get iPhone iOS 7 on the even on the iPhone 4 iOS and I've
1:25:28heard it's really pretty like there and that's that sucks for people who upgrade
1:25:33trusting Apple if it's true I i dont know tho personal yeah I don't know why
1:25:38there I've only installed it on a 55 and my iPad me and my my iPad I actually my
1:25:47iPad Mini is the one that I left Iowa sex blow up that but it wouldn't be the
1:25:53first time in fact it usually seems to be the case that whatever the least
1:25:57supported iPhone is for a new version of iOS it's a little leg yeah so I dunno
1:26:04not sure what to say about that sorry if that's what you think
1:26:11that's here's one that's a good one this ones from Amy Jane Gruber seriously
1:26:23what's the deal with the answer what's the deal with the answer in our shit I
1:26:36think one terror already answered that I guess that means for me not for you
1:26:42yeah I don't know we've got these little baby answered our shower and it doesn't
1:26:46seem like you know the pesticide I'm not sure what the deal is so sorry Amy
1:26:54income up Aaron showering Canada you know you can live in an igloo for a
1:27:01while no ends it what color iPhone 5s did you get told ya so that I want
1:27:08everybody to know not God black yeah I noticed that what's your take on the
1:27:13goal I love the gold I really do when when I first it was actually opposed
1:27:20that you link to when news of the champagne or gold first came out
1:27:28you rightly pointed to the fact that Apple had really school products before
1:27:32in an iPad Mini or a story on iPod mini right and it was ugly as hell on my car
1:27:40that thing was a good I am I remembered when when I clicked on your your link
1:27:45and I thought I never one of one of those and I was kinda I was worried but
1:27:50I i thought i get a given Apple's design credit and as soon as I saw definitely
1:28:02yeah I'm III the gold as far as I rode the gold is not my gripe with it I kinda
1:28:08like the gold it's the white I just don't like the white face around anymore
1:28:11I just like I like it when it's often just look like us black Irish I almost
1:28:17wish that they had four phones black with space grey white with silver white
1:28:24with gold and black with the cold I think the black with the gold could be a
1:28:27cool look you know I guess you're in your parlance it would be like a Boston
1:28:34Bruins look right that would be I need a while I was gonna say Pittsburgh
1:28:40Steelers but I was trying to put it in terms that you would understand I told
1:28:45them I wanted a purple phone I want a loop phone no no purple or purple with
1:28:52the help well you know what there's clearly there once they've now that
1:28:55they've gone plastic with the mid-range I think that there i mean whether they
1:28:59were whether they'll change the palate every year or not I don't know but
1:29:02there's almost an infant range of colors that they could go to now easily through
1:29:07a question from a reader but I didn't really mention this but I think looking
1:29:15at especially in hands-on area last week where you can look at all five of the
1:29:19five see colors together it's there so designed with the color palette of Iowa
1:29:26seven in mind it's you know I don't know like that's the one thing I know people
1:29:32complain about the icons and complain about this now when I was seven first
1:29:35came out but there were a lot of color complained about the color palette and i
1:29:39think is as the months have gone on everybody's sort of unless I'm missing
1:29:43something everybody sort of shut up about that I feel like they were just
1:29:46you know they're they're skating to where the puck
1:29:49was heading in terms of what colors are in and I think that the hardware and
1:29:55software are so clearly from the same design movement
1:29:55software are so clearly from the same design movement
1:30:00it's you know it's almost unprecedented album it may be the last time that the
1:30:05hardware and software seemed so clearly designed together was like the original
1:30:09IMAX those candy translucent plastics combined with the original version of
1:30:15Mac OS 10 the trash yeah I am I really like the way that the 25 °c feels it
1:30:26doesn't feel like plastic to me now it almost feels ceramic or an animal yeah
1:30:32and yeah that's it you know I had the same thought I have a Lumia 800 from
1:30:38Nokia here and I think that they're still making there's out of the same
1:30:41polycarbonate now they're they're gone a different route with their plastic
1:30:46there's has more of its its not polished in shiny it's more of a matte finish but
1:30:54it is without question the only phone I have held in years that rivals and
1:30:59iPhone 4 build quality and that's a good you know the mat is a you know but it's
1:31:03real
1:31:03just like the the five see it builds rigid and not like plastic it feels like
1:31:10something I don't know the word plastic has this cheap connotation that that the
1:31:14iPhone 5 seed doesn't feel like and that the Lumia is do not feel like even know
1:31:19the iPhones are very very glossy almost super glossy and the Lumineers are the
1:31:25opposite of glossy they're mad at two different ways to go but with modern
1:31:28materials whereas I think the old gold 3G 3G s kinda did feel plasticky in a
1:31:35cheap way you know somebody i I wasn't sure if I like the feel of the five see
1:31:44better than than the old ones or if I was somebody asked me this yesterday and
1:31:49I said yesterday felt more sturdy but then you know I responded back again and
1:31:54said they're they're two different shapes and you know when you're in my
1:31:58convincing myself that the 5 C's more sturdy or is it actually a sturdier
1:32:03phone I'm really do think it is earlier
1:32:06yeah I guess it will be up to the eye to take apart guys to to determine it but
1:32:12Apple talked about the fact that it has this rigid steel frame inside which I
1:32:16don't think that the 3G S had I don't think so you know I think that there's a
1:32:21steel frame inside here that you know that really does add a rigidity to the
1:32:26whole thing that you didn't have in the 3G 3G s you remember I told you that
1:32:33that when I went back to the home screen on my mi 5s that the icons jumped idea
1:32:41and I didn't put that in my review because I found a 10 was what was it
1:32:49it's the background so I 22 tested I opened up a folder so there's no no
1:32:56icons really to jump opened up a folder in the background moved so whether it's
1:33:02the way of holding the phone or you know maybe I tilt the phone down when i when
1:33:07i do it so the background moves and it looked like the icons were moving so
1:33:13look like a little video glitch or something when you when you went back to
1:33:18the the things when you were back to the home screen so yeah hey did you try the
1:33:24emotion that the moving wallpapers yeah are you using one I was using one up
1:33:34until last night I had the little you know the little bubbles and then I put a
1:33:41plan on their instant I found it just a little distracting yeah I did use it for
1:33:46a day though and it didn't seem to have any adverse effect on battery life I
1:33:51think I think that makes some say something maybe I'm a lot of sense
1:33:54because who spends a lot of time with their home screen open right it should
1:33:59only have backed the battery life while the home screens open and who really has
1:34:02the display on on the home screen for more than a few seconds at a time
1:34:06true it's nice and they don't know what's going on in the background either
1:34:11it's also interesting to me that the default wallpapers are not they've added
1:34:16this feature now
1:34:17have motion wallpapers but none of the default wallpapers are moving that's a
1:34:23little interesting to me because usually if your gonna add something like that
1:34:26you can use it by default i'm looking ahead and now I have the star system or
1:34:34whatever it is and it's moving I don't have the emotional I don't you know they
1:34:41look ok but I don't like I like the monochrome I like the real I feel like
1:34:47with the brighter and more vibrant icons having like of monochromatic background
1:34:51really makes the icon pop I'm going to try and that you don't like them but you
1:34:56advance in the shower to exactly you know here's jeff schwab on Twitter he
1:35:00says these ants never would have infiltrated the shower of Steve Jobs
1:35:03were still in charge thanks Obama yeah I guess he's right
1:35:10jobs or so let's see here who built the a seven processor
1:35:19good question and non thinks it's Samsung even though we're all sort of it
1:35:25there's so much speculation that this is the year that Apple has finally broken
1:35:28away from Samsung is there at CPU maker his best guess to Samsung and its be
1:35:32really tough for me to bet against a non yea I wouldn't I wouldn't bet against
1:35:37cause then he would call when asked me a question about the processors have to
1:35:40hang up so my guess is I think it's Samsung because a non says so but I'm
1:35:45hoping it's that TSM see because the house that would be very cool yeah but
1:35:52we'll find out I guess we'll find out tomorrow night because I as i fix it
1:35:56guys there I love those guys because they they fly they don't live there they
1:36:01fly out a book tickets to go to Australia by Lisa haven't past year that
1:36:06I know they're doing it this year but the last few years they booked tickets
1:36:09to go to Australia because that is where the International Date Line is that for
1:36:13the iPhone for his goes on sale to get one first and start their habit like
1:36:17taking apart
1:36:19before 8 a.m. Eastern Time in the USA even rolls around so I hope we will find
1:36:25out some answers on that probably within 24 hours but I don't know what to guess
1:36:31there's no I have no information and I asked around a little bit and got zero
1:36:36answer apple just does not talk about the suppliers even if they know that you
1:36:41know i fix its gonna take this thing apart in 48 hours they won't tell you
1:36:45off the record they just do not talk about it
1:36:47absolutely not there's actually a good follow-up here how does touch I D work
1:36:54when you swipe over a specific notification so when you're on the home
1:37:01screen in your phone is locked and there's no one email at of 10 the you
1:37:05want to read if you swipe on that email in your hand you bring up the you know
1:37:14the pad the passcode the passcode and then you just rest your thumb on the on
1:37:21the center of the fingerprint sensor and it'll open up directly into that message
1:37:25rights but the first like you ordinarily would and instead of entering the code
1:37:28you do the thing also a nice touch on power in touch I D if you buy habit
1:37:34start entering your passcode and then wait why am I doing this all just you've
1:37:40ended like two out of the four digits why am I doing this you touch the home
1:37:43button it still works like you don't have you know the test and the and the
1:37:47animation films in the dots on your code which I touch ya so that you know I was
1:37:54Daniel middle COAG as I one that's actually a good one I found that 10 by
1:38:01mistake as I often do that you know you get a message and I i want to read it
1:38:05all go directly to that one
1:38:07yeah it's actually very much the same as it was when you used to pass could you
1:38:11just you just do the touch I T one once you get to the passcode screen whereas
1:38:15if you just want to open the iPhone you don't even have to get to the basket
1:38:18screen you just turn the phone on in
1:38:21and touch the sensor lights and in case anybody is wondering you can add
1:38:29multiple finger prints to yes and they don't have to know obviously they don't
1:38:34all have to be yours like I wrote you could do both your thumbs both index
1:38:39fingers and let your spouse had one just you know for emergency purposes if you
1:38:47had a yellow banana yellow iPhone 5 Siena banana which would you put in your
1:38:52pants I i think is easier than you put one in the one right pocket one unless
1:38:59it seems seems easy to me thank you Mike a great question from Thomas Richards
1:39:06fingerprint scanner on iPad yes or no
1:39:09say this year's iPad that's a good question I i say yes I'm gonna say I
1:39:18hope so but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no you know I can I wonder
1:39:25here then here's why say that is just because of that mantra of our most
1:39:30forward-thinking iPhone yet you know and forward-thinking forward-thinking they
1:39:35keep saying that which makes me wonder if how much that some of this stuff
1:39:38isn't coming to other iOS devices until next year
1:39:43well I will say this just just to be perfectly clear I know nothing about you
1:39:49know fingerprint thing on on the new iPad but I'll go yes because I think
1:39:56even though the iPhone is the most forward-thinking product they've known
1:40:01about it for some time and I think that they would've yeah and it could be too
1:40:07that it may be it appears on the full-size iPad but not the iPad Mini or
1:40:12or some other way that they will tear the iPad similarly where the
1:40:16lower-priced models don't have it but the higher price months do I can see
1:40:20that
1:40:21there's nothing I heard today this is scuttlebutt does not from Mike
1:40:25second hand but it does make sense is that the 64 bit and the arm V eight that
1:40:34whole move on the a seven had to happen for touch I D that touch I D can only
1:40:41work with the arm V eight and 64 bit they couldn't do touch idea until they
1:40:48did that and and the explanation i think is because one of the promise advantages
1:40:54of R&B eight is that the instruction set now has cryptographic shortcuts that
1:41:01some of the common cryptographic algorithms are built into the CPU so
1:41:07instead of actually computing the math the traditional way it's just a short
1:41:12cut where if your code needs to do you know a yes
1:41:17256 bit encryption it's it's an instruction code right on the processor
1:41:21and it just goes through and so that that's one of those things that helps
1:41:26make touch I D instantaneous because none of this stuff is it can emphasize
1:41:34this enough there are no pictures of your thumb print or fingerprint stored
1:41:39anywhere right it's it's an encrypted I D where your thumb print is part of what
1:41:46makes the I D but that the whole thing gets computed instantly and that you
1:41:51know so I don't know if that's true but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is
1:41:55true and that touch I D will only appear as devices get the a seven
1:42:01system-on-a-chip
1:42:03I wouldn't be surprised at all if that in fact I you know why what's the point
1:42:06of making new iPad this year if at least the high end ones don't go to the a
1:42:10seven and so if I go to the 87 who knows maybe maybe the touch I D center is not
1:42:14that that relatively expensive and so maybe it's a no-brainer yeah of course I
1:42:21i just i think it will end maybe it'll be some you know layering of of how they
1:42:26do it but you know the way that they didn't if you look at next year you know
1:42:31they have the the five ccs as you mentioned earlier then it'll definitely
1:42:37got it yeah this one gets it because it's already so worked up perfectly yeah
1:42:42so anyway I'm I think the answer is probably / hopefully this year for the
1:42:48iPad and definitely eventually next year at the latest I pedaled definitely have
1:42:53to touch a touch a deal within two years will be on all all iPhones and iPads no
1:42:58doubt it's you know it's absolutely the future of logging into your device
1:43:04here's the thing I was told by Apple and I believe it is that over the course of
1:43:08developing touch I D they actually had to dial back the places where you still
1:43:14have to enter your passcode and your store I D because they realized that if
1:43:20you never had to enter it you'd forget it right that you you know you only get
1:43:26to use touch idea if you set up a pass code or password if your passphrase if
1:43:30you want the longer one for your phone but if they let you log into without
1:43:33ever having to use it like for example if you turn your power your phone all
1:43:37the way off and empowered on you have to enter the code after a code before you
1:43:42can login using your thumb and I they had it set up at some point where you
1:43:46could just once you set up some you can always use the thumb but they realized
1:43:49that the people who did that they've they forgot their baskets kinda funny
1:43:53that is kind of funny and and you know what today I went to buy something on
1:43:58the App Store and asked me for two to manually put in my my passcode even
1:44:05though I do I and activated they purchased by some so what's what's up in
1:44:09like a week maybe maybe a pops up every now and then and yeah I'm not sure what
1:44:14I'm not sure what the rule is
1:44:16it's a timing thing for my friend that irons as I know he asked yesterday in
1:44:23the Verizon iPhone walk and chew gum at the same time meaning when you're on a
1:44:29phone call to use can you still get LTE date can you get LTE data or does it
1:44:35drop back to edge in the bad news is I've tested this it cannot it still
1:44:39enjoy when you're honest cell phone call on Verizon data drops to edge
1:44:45well you know but good thing for me I don't I don't make a lot of voice calls
1:44:53and we don't anymore do we know and you know what's interesting now that I was
1:44:58seven thousand everybody I know is going to upgrade I'm interested to know how
1:45:02many of the voice calls I do make will go as voice only FaceTime calls yeah and
1:45:09a the quality should be way better and be because that's just data it'll still
1:45:14be it'll still have you know it will solve that problem when you make a voice
1:45:18only FaceTime call instead of an official phone call you know you'll
1:45:24you'll you'll work around that problem but now Verizon users my test units were
1:45:29both on Verizon know the Verizon doesn't work it it's funny animal when you look
1:45:34at boys calls I mean it's to the point now where I my daughter she's twenty she
1:45:46thinks that you know something's catastrophe must have happened if
1:45:49there's an actual voice call why wouldn't you just text when someone even
1:45:52answers
1:45:53my life never it's a chance for me to anybody else calls or nobody said she
1:46:00says she never answers her phone in never listen to voicemail she's got a
1:46:05red badge on the phone at this as a hundred and forty-seven lovett hey how's
1:46:11your question for you so I guess Apple I never thought about this but your review
1:46:14units are they there they're set up for Lake Bell Canada or whatever the hell
1:46:19you have up there no I actually have
1:46:21I've had an AT&T account for about 15 years and I just works
1:46:26yeah yeah I don't know that there's a question from joan barone on a boning
1:46:34Adam McQuaid sure how to pronounce his name he just updated 7 the launch and
1:46:41close a ban emissions time waster ways to turn off sorry five years haven't
1:46:46looked at as far as I know there is no way to turn them off I don't know maybe
1:46:52inaccessibility I don't know if there's like a sea sickness setting or something
1:46:54like that but I don't think their time wasters I you know I guess some people
1:46:59are annoyed by them but I think that day I think that they're pleasant cause to
1:47:04me they give you a sense of place in the OS yeah I like them so I like them too
1:47:09and it's a multitasking love multitasking there you know the way that
1:47:16you go into it the way they you get out of it the other way it's sort of like a
1:47:20half there's like that the home screen and when you're in an app which is full
1:47:25screen and multitasking exists like halfway in between the two which i think
1:47:30is perfect conceptually what was it that West had these kind of multitasking
1:47:38hikers yes I thought it was great very satirist and it's you know and like
1:47:44flicking the things the closing is kind of fun same thing with hook in the tabs
1:47:47in Safari to close them right on yeah it's a question from David E
1:47:53good friend I met him at Webb stock decir to develop given the scale of
1:48:00changes needed to support iOS 7 when will Apple stopped accepting apps linked
1:48:07against iOS 6
1:48:10let me think about that I think it's gonna be pretty pretty median I think no
1:48:17no
1:48:18in other words they might stay might stop accepting IOUs six only apps ones
1:48:24that aren't native 47 but but when would they stop accepting apps that also
1:48:30supports six you know when I think that might be a ways off yet honestly I do
1:48:37because I think that there are even know even though I expect you know just like
1:48:45with iOS 6 which reads like 95% of the iOS installed base I expect I was 72
1:48:50within a few months be running on ninety-plus percent of iOS devices at
1:48:55which point I think a reasonable developer could say it im just gonna
1:49:00erased the hassles of supporting both and just go I S seven only there are
1:49:04institutions that that even though that makes sense to me I think that
1:49:07culturally there are places where they're like no no no we want everybody
1:49:11so we're gonna still you know linked I was 6 or iOS 5 even or something like
1:49:15that so I think it'll be awhile before Apple doesn't let you do that but I
1:49:20think you know conversely let me flip the question around I don't think
1:49:24developers should hesitate to go Iowa 7 only I thought I think it eliminates
1:49:31hassles I don't think you lose many users I think the users you do lose are
1:49:35not your best customers and there are so many cool things and Iowa 7 like text
1:49:40kit that it just makes you know you can't use it can't really can't dive
1:49:48into text and still support our sex yeah and the background updates if you have
1:49:54an app that downloads content from the web I mean there's so much stuff I was
1:49:57seven is such a great update yeah I think developers shouldn't wait for
1:50:02Apple to make them drop iOS 6 just dropping go ahead I I couldn't agree
1:50:07more I've said that you know about every major update you know how far back
1:50:12should we go to put it really it depends on on what kind of cool features you
1:50:17want to offer your users as a developer and you know as a user I want you to
1:50:23make the best out you can have that means you're going i 07 only do it
1:50:27yeah the absolute best you can and I think that's what I think that's what
1:50:31iPhone customers want to really do I think that's the reason they picked up
1:50:34funds in the first place
1:50:36please advise on blaming or gunmetal spacey color thanks guys can't wait for
1:50:42the show that's from Rob Richmond lemme know it's really hard to recommend that
1:50:46without you know if the people who want to order at midnight without having seen
1:50:50them in person cuz I wanna get it ASAP
1:50:53you know you're gonna have to go with your gut all I can say about the gold
1:50:57you really like it all and say it's it's as nice as gold could be I wouldn't the
1:51:01golden keep me from getting it and if I were going to get one of somebody said
1:51:05to me you can't get black you have to get one of the two with the white face
1:51:08I'd go with the gold just because I think it looks cool and it's kinda new
1:51:12but it is not looking like it doesn't look like Donald Trump's phone right and
1:51:18that's part of what I was afraid of me personally I like the black and I think
1:51:23the Black is an up and really nice upgrade over last year's which I still
1:51:27like my phone last year the best way I can put it in a cup of tea in a couple
1:51:31I'm not the only person is observed this to me and this is I haven't seen the
1:51:35black one in a week having seen it since I was in the hands on area
1:51:38last week in Cupertino but you know it in hindsight and I studied a lot there
1:51:43it really reminds me of the original iPhone the 2007 one with the black face
1:51:48and the black plastic on the back for the antenna and that silver you know
1:51:52sort of you know metal back it it's sort of being black colored its dark metal
1:51:57colored yeah if you like black phone you're gonna love the space great one
1:52:03none of them look bad now if you took i five of those gold ones and put them
1:52:10around her neck on a chain yeah yeah somebody's gonna do that somebody's
1:52:14gotta do that you can get it blaming you can definitely bring it up a little but
1:52:19it's not easy don't look at it that also video shot at 120 frames per second can
1:52:34export playback at a hundred and twenty frames per second I don't know like I
1:52:39think it would if you like if you if you share it I i I could be wrong here this
1:52:46is from Eric van quill esquire doesn't look like an esquire judging by his his
1:52:52Twitter idea but I'll give it classy guy with anybody there squire after you
1:52:59question I think the way it works is if you export like through the sharing menu
1:53:04it's going two down sampled at 30 frames per second and and turn the slow mo you
1:53:10know it all be 30 frames per second I think if you just connected as a USB
1:53:14device and use iPhoto or
1:53:17image capture or whatever the whatever that thing is that the thing that just
1:53:23sucks photos off the camera and camera the camera yeah but it can capture it
1:53:33all come off as just the raw data so it will come off I think as a hundred and
1:53:36twenty frames per second I can't imagine that it wouldn't just you know I
1:53:41actually didn't do that I'm trying to log in and look for the for the movie
1:53:49that I posted and see what it is
1:53:53will be moved on by the time I get there any issues with battery life on the
1:53:59iPhone 5 Ars Technica tests show its way worse and I've had similar issues i
1:54:05presume that means with an old iPhone 5 upgraded to iOS 7 I haven't done
1:54:10extensive testing I like I said I've been running iOS 7 on my main iPhone all
1:54:15summer long since beta three things since July tired I didn't notice any
1:54:21real difference no improvement no worsening of battery life over the
1:54:26summer and I you know I did a lot of vacations in and traveling over summer
1:54:30so I actually use my iPhone lot and have any problems but I don't doubt if I was
1:54:34technique as test the show that whereas I don't know but I didn't think it was
1:54:38bad I actually did have some some problems starting off but that was you
1:54:47know that was one of these pages and I to be honest I am really worried about I
1:54:53had won I guess I should say I had one and I again I just chalk this up to
1:54:57being bad I had one last month where I got the 20% warning words like I first
1:55:04time I got the warning said hey you're down warning you're down to twenty
1:55:06percent and the battery on ran
1:55:08and then the phone shut down you know when you get 20 literally about 30
1:55:15seconds later like it went from twenty 20 and 30 seconds and I thought wow
1:55:20that's scary and i charged it up and then ever since I never saw that happen
1:55:24again but I you know but that to me is what happens when you install the beta
1:55:28exactly and and since I am with the 25 ass I noticed a lot better battery life
1:55:35with the the updated version of of Iowa seven because you don't know what's on
1:55:40in the background in in these babies I'm in the you know the good of debugging
1:55:44stuff they could have you know all kinds of stuff going on and I think it matters
1:55:49to as to what else you have turned on what apps have you granted location
1:55:52tracking privileges to bluetooth on and what are you allowing two to connect to
1:55:58you by blue tooth I know I I have about one of those people watches and I really
1:56:05didn't like it I didn't write about it just because it maybe I will when I
1:56:10speculate more about watches in the future but anyway long story short I
1:56:13definitely notice and didn't see anybody else complain about it I definitely
1:56:16knows that just pairing the Pebble watch with my iPhone really hurt battery life
1:56:21on my phone and it was you know I don't get a lot of phone calls or texts all
1:56:24day so it wasn't like there were tons of notifications going back and forth just
1:56:28pairing them I noticed a noticeable difference so I guess it depends only
1:56:33got ya I tend to keep everything a lot of things off and I don't know my email
1:56:37check in the background I'm now having died fight for five or six years I just
1:56:41check email when I open the mail I have that stuff on I I have wifi on Bluetooth
1:56:50you know i i turn off when I'm traveling yeah but you do need Bluetooth rare drop
1:56:56though that's a reason to keep bluetooth on but I think if you just turn
1:56:59bluetooth on but don't care anything you know and just wait and use it for air
1:57:03drop it shouldn't really have much of an effect that's true to get back to ask
1:57:08wires question the videos that I exported from my iPhone using slow mo
1:57:14expert exported in H 264 568 by 320 fps 30 which used to export them the iPhone
1:57:29yeah yeah that makes sense I think if you connected to the call again cut them
1:57:37and image capture image capture yeah that I think they'll come off as just
1:57:42the Royal hundred twenty-three per second video and in the the data rate
1:57:46was a 26 per second so you know it's not a high def movi but that's not what they
1:57:55were going for either here's another question seemed I think we'll ask where
1:58:00does the flashlight light up both LEDs yes how hard is the leather case to
1:58:05remove not too hard but I found kinda hard cuz I'm put it on I did because
1:58:12when I was walking around the first few days especially when I saw in San
1:58:15Francisco where more people know me and and more people are tech-savvy I did not
1:58:20want anybody to ask me about that god damn cold iPhone the rules of reviewing
1:58:26it
1:58:26are you are you are allowed to they want you to use it I mean it's not you know
1:58:30i'd get you get in any trouble if somebody says hey John Gruber has a cold
1:58:34I found I saw you supposed to use it
1:58:36you're not supposed to show it off you can't let other people touch it I just
1:58:40don't even wanna bother putting in a case with just make sure you know I
1:58:43wanted to try the case I found it a little hard to take out off and then
1:58:48I'll but I think in a good way where its icon solid the robbery case the silicon
1:58:52case for the
1:58:55the 5 C's really easy to get on and off though because its stretchy as opposed
1:58:59to the other 12 today and as the flashlight light up but yes it does
1:59:06here's Ryan Jones Ryan Jones asks predict 5 a sellout time one minute III
1:59:14I don't think it's going to be very constrained yeah although you know what
1:59:20is sell-out like if it you know it's gonna dropped I think it's gonna drop to
1:59:23you know to two weeks very quickly 'cause who knows I mean it doesn't even
1:59:29go on sale to the 22 knows what the first person who gets their order and
1:59:34who knows what the delivery time is that Apple hasn't said for online stuff i
1:59:39mean obviously if you really want one on the twenty at the only way to do it is
1:59:43to get in line at an Apple store right I thought I think yesterday were where I
1:59:48think AllThingsD a report from carriers that said that they got like
1:59:51ridiculously small shipment of 5 S's well don't you know don't forget that
1:59:57Tim Cook even said I mean this isn't speculation Tim Cook said specifically
2:00:00earlier this year that they would like to sell a higher proportion of iPhones
2:00:04through their own stores you know you know that that the carriers got fewer
2:00:09doesn't mean that Apple stores will have fewer exactly right yeah I mean my
2:00:15invite people read the worst into this stuff and not always the worst it is
2:00:20gonna be tight though there's no doubt in my mind that I know for a fact that's
2:00:24why they didn't take pre-orders of it because it's going to be tight it harder
2:00:27to make and who knows what the reason is that the a seven is it the touch
2:00:31IdeaCentre is it both who knows but it's you know it's new it's new components
2:00:37there and they're in their enduring demand it could be something as simple
2:00:42as they may not last minute change yeah and you know start over again but if you
2:00:51want one on day one and you want to go to get up early and go to retail stores
2:00:55don't think that hey everybody is going to go to the Apple store so I'll go to
2:01:00Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or whatever
2:01:02and beat the Lions I think that's the wrong way to do it I think if you really
2:01:06want a one your best bet is to bite the bullet and get up in the middle of the
2:01:09night and get in line at your local Apple store because the Apple Store is
2:01:12gonna have a lot more than the carriers agreed is Apple done with school morphic
2:01:21designed for good is there room for NIOS CGI books I think I'll tell you what
2:01:29this year I expect a new version of iBooks probably at the iPad event I'm
2:01:34surprised we didn't get it already I guess maybe they're waiting for the iPad
2:01:38event I don't know but I would be shocked if they don't redesign iBooks
2:01:41along the lines of newsstand where they get rid of this school morphism is it
2:01:47gone for good
2:01:49i mean you know forever is a long time and you know fashion moves in cycles I I
2:01:56hope it's not at all I think it will start coming back in small doses you
2:02:00know I think part of what brought the end of it was that it it was taken to
2:02:05its logical conclusion where it couldn't get any more secure morphic right into
2:02:12screens and the incredible color fidelity of these iOS devices you know
2:02:19it couldn't get any more so I think it was taken to an extreme and then they
2:02:22you know dial it back I think that you know it's almost like a dial that went
2:02:26all the way around 20 and now it'll start picking up the other way I guess
2:02:30yep I hope so i i dont wanna see them get rid of it all together it's so hard
2:02:37to detect fashion trends in the short term you have to kind of take a
2:02:40long-term look let's see might be wrapping up you see any other good
2:02:49questions I don't sorry if I missed your good question I'm sure that it was great
2:02:55and it's my fault that I missed it if you're out there and you did send send a
2:02:58question
2:03:02go and see the new Notification Center I think I I found it too I find it to be
2:03:07very useful I think it the reorganization of it is is better to
2:03:12me I like Notification Center on on iOS and the Mac I I find it to be very
2:03:19useful features another one of those things that that fixes a pain point for
2:03:24me you know one that I didn't really know that there was a fix for I I can be
2:03:29working on either a Mac OS and get a notification to his clients up and see
2:03:36ok it's nothing I have to worry about and then keep working instead of
2:03:39stopping going to email and saying I was at the email from where I was waiting
2:03:44for no its not then go back and you know you kinda luger your train you know the
2:03:50momentum is gone at that point especially if you get a lot of emails or
2:03:53tweets or whatever so I love it is Marcus Mendes asks if Iowa seven in
2:04:00touch I D might be a way to seamlessly switch between Profiles in energy URL I
2:04:05don't have time to read it but I'm guessing what he means a sort of like
2:04:08multiple user accounts I would say touch I D maybe but not with Iowa 7 I was
2:04:14seven is clearly still like all previous versions of violence a single user OS at
2:04:19some point in the future could it switched to a multi users thing again
2:04:23could it be tied to like for let's say like a school system with you know some
2:04:28kind of cloud storage so that you know any kid could pick up any iPad in the
2:04:32classroom and use their fingerprint to get their stuff i think im a cool yeah I
2:04:38think sure I don't think it's an Iowa 7 thing I think that's you know in the
2:04:41future but that's the sort of cool thing that he could could could foreshadow
2:04:47yeah there is an interesting one
2:04:51Daniel read I planned to use my 5s is a completely under tethered device
2:04:56Neversink over USB pros and cons I think that's how I use my now I know what I
2:05:04will jump in and I'm gonna say I find restoring from an iCloud backup to be a
2:05:09pain in the ass really yeah because it seems to me like my am never quite done
2:05:14downloading all the apps you know like first download your data but doesnt
2:05:18download download your apps the apps then come back from the store not from
2:05:23the backup
2:05:23and it doesn't get them all and the student from me
2:05:26yeah I I did do my 5s like that through when I call back up in the in the hotel
2:05:32and there were some apps yet it didn't download I wasn't too concerned about
2:05:37the apps because they were trying I don't even know what happened was that
2:05:42should be downloading them from iCloud as they were purchased as well now the
2:05:46way that it works though is your I claim this is smart in some ways where the
2:05:49apps don't count against your back up because hey white why bother you know
2:05:53we're not gonna take up your precious 20 gigs or whatever you've paid for iCloud
2:05:57storage for apps because we've got him into store it's a two-step process for
2:06:01the first step is your data which is the most important thing and then it sinks
2:06:05absent downloads and from the store in the same thing with music that you've
2:06:09bought with like iTunes Match it's like a separate process but it's there's
2:06:12there's no good indication of how far along is in restoring it and just like
2:06:17you I i get these review units while I'm traveling San Francisco and I'm stuck on
2:06:21hotel wifi and it's it's good enough to get my data and stuff like my email
2:06:29accounts reconfigured in mail which alone is a huge concern Venus you know
2:06:33set up for different email accounts and type it on but to actually download the
2:06:38apps it's sort of a pain in the ass but I you know in general if you know that's
2:06:43mostly how I use mine the only time I ever even think about connecting my i
2:06:46phone to USB is to back up and restore just to get all the apps quicker than i
2:06:51can download them from iTunes yeah I don't i dont have wifi sync on anymore I
2:06:56don't have any I i remember being excited about wi-fi sync I didn't even
2:07:01use it anymore I don't use I obviously you know you plug it in to charge and I
2:07:07because my computer is always with me when I'm at home it's it's very
2:07:11convenient so I i plug it in to charge of but nothing happens in iTunes
2:07:16you know it pops up and iTunes but it doesn't sync you know that's that's
2:07:21awfully it it just I called all the time I don't even do anything but I am I
2:07:28think it's you know it's certainly the future and I do you could probably I
2:07:31think you probably do well doing it like that today
2:07:33yeah here's a quick question from Zack Khan good question any word on white
2:07:37airdrop only works on iOS iOS and not by OS to iOS or Mac my best guess I do not
2:07:45have an answer but my best guess is just wait I think it will I think it's almost
2:07:51inevitable that all work I can't imagine that they give the feature the same name
2:07:55and not having worked together yet
2:07:56yeah I don't know what technical problem kept them from getting it to work
2:08:01together yet it just seems like an obvious thing i think thats about it is
2:08:09one last question it's from Christine gamble I think this questions for you
2:08:14why are you so perfect you know I get asked me why I think that that question
2:08:30would probably be best asked of many can Amy Jane and I wouldn't want to be
2:08:36around for the answer
2:08:38never smelled all the farts in my office I'm not perfect I'm gorges but better
2:08:46question or even better somebody else i cant members need somebody asked how
2:08:52come you're your laugh is not one of the new ringtones is she
2:08:56it should be a purple phone with a laugher ringtone Apple would sell fifty
2:09:04million but now they don't know what they're doing alright Jim Dalrymple
2:09:12thank you very much what a great show and thank you everybody out there sent
2:09:16those questions in a lot of those were good
2:09:19and for all the ones we missed I'll try to answer them on Twitter instead but
2:09:23thanks thanks