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0:00:05number 329 December 2016 welcome back

0:00:13everybody to be uncomfortable i'm your

0:00:15host Jason Snell and it's that time of

0:00:17year it's December you know what that

0:00:18means star war is yep its star wars

0:00:22season from now until forever until it

0:00:24becomes unprofitable and although we are

0:00:26going to do a couple episodes about road

0:00:28one once it comes out i thought i would

0:00:30take this time II

0:00:32early in december for us to talk about

0:00:34something happy and heartwarming about

0:00:36Star Wars and that is why i am

0:00:38presenting to you the uncomfortable Star

0:00:41Wars travesty draft in which we will

0:00:44choose mostly things that are kind of

0:00:47bad about the thing we love which is

0:00:49star wars in different categories

0:00:51joining me to discuss travesties of star

0:00:54wars are these people who are not

0:00:56travesties at all

0:00:58dan more'n hi Dan hi Jason good to have

0:01:01you here Joe steel hello hello Monty

0:01:05Ashley hi hello John siracusa may the

0:01:08force be with you

0:01:09I comfort myself by thinking this

0:01:11episode can't be as bad as the holiday

0:01:13special episode David Sparkes is here

0:01:15hi David hi Jason good to hear happy to

0:01:17be here

0:01:18the force is strong or is it and David

0:01:20lower happy life day everyone alright

0:01:23here's how this is gonna work we have a

0:01:25bunch of different rounds in each round

0:01:27will be a category i have randomized are

0:01:29picking order it will advance by one as

0:01:32we move through the round so not

0:01:33everybody you know everybody get a

0:01:35chance to pick first in each of the

0:01:37categories as we go

0:01:39it's all handled randomly blame

0:01:41random.org wait even you know you're

0:01:44giving away the secret is I'm always

0:01:45last

0:01:47everybody else rotates i will always be

0:01:49last because I'm your host and hostess

0:01:51that would be not host like to go

0:01:54anything but last so our first category

0:01:57around one of the travesty draft is this

0:02:00and this is the this is what started it

0:02:02all the concept that started at all

0:02:04which is I want everybody to pick a

0:02:06change to an existing Star Wars work

0:02:10made after it was originally released

0:02:12this is your opportunity to pick apart

0:02:15terrible things about the star wars

0:02:17special editions

0:02:19for us to discuss we will also if you

0:02:21have comments about someone else's pic

0:02:22feel free you can you can make those

0:02:24it's meant to be a discussion and not

0:02:25just a dr list of things because that

0:02:27would be a boring podcast Dan Morgan

0:02:29what would you like to choose as a bad

0:02:32change i get to go first in this round

0:02:34well in that case i'm going to take

0:02:37probably the most obvious choice right

0:02:39off the table which is of course the

0:02:41change to grito shooting first I think

0:02:45we can all understand pretty easily why

0:02:47it's a terrible terrible change not only

0:02:49does it totally ruin the sort of

0:02:51narrative arc this Han Solo

0:02:53devil-may-care Rogan scoundrel but it

0:02:56looks terrible

0:02:58it just looks really bad i remember

0:02:59watching it in the theater and thinking

0:03:01as they had this weird little like head

0:03:03jerk almost that Harrison Ford seems to

0:03:05do to avoid video shooting him you know

0:03:07that it's like well what was that like

0:03:10it looks it just looks terrible

0:03:12it's it's implausible to me that even

0:03:14someone is inept as grito could miss a

0:03:17shot from the truth feet away like

0:03:19that's that's pretty dumb and and the

0:03:22whole rationale behind it seemed

0:03:24ridiculous as well I mean it seemed like

0:03:27the only sort of pathetic or you know

0:03:29explanation they can give is that they

0:03:31didn't want Han Solo to be the kind of

0:03:33guy who would shoot someone down in cold

0:03:35blood and it just seems to me like I ate

0:03:38it seems so unbelievable and it seemed

0:03:40so damning to his character to have him

0:03:43be more via you know to not have him be

0:03:48that kind of cold shrewd calculating guy

0:03:50that I feel like it just seems it seems

0:03:53crazy it seems crazy and so I you know I

0:03:56obviously it's spawned many means and

0:04:00it's a two-point great contention for

0:04:02star wars fans with the with George

0:04:04Lucas but yeah it harkens back to that

0:04:07that brief change I think they changed

0:04:09it back when et where they took out the

0:04:11guns right when the walkie-talkies and I

0:04:14think they changed it back at a

0:04:15subsequent versions of their names like

0:04:17well that's that's dumb

0:04:19I'm so yeah same George Lucas

0:04:20unfortunately did not get quite the

0:04:22benefit of that later hindsight but yeah

0:04:24I think we can all agree that among

0:04:26travesties that is perhaps the one of

0:04:28the greatest travesties of the

0:04:30specializations i agree that was mine

0:04:31berwyn pick as a wise man once said

0:04:34everybody knows the greater never even

0:04:36fired 100 services sets up his entire

0:04:38mortal journey

0:04:40plus it's cool it is cool he's exactly

0:04:42the kind of guy who shoots in that

0:04:44scenario come on he has a moral journey

0:04:46but doesn't have a moral journey if he

0:04:48starts off a good guy ends up a good guy

0:04:49yeah exactly well that's a great choice

0:04:52I think we all have to tip our cap to

0:04:54Dan who was randomly selected to choose

0:04:56a grieving father set and now we move on

0:05:00to Jojo do you have a special edition

0:05:01change that you would like to throw on

0:05:03the bonfire that already has Darth

0:05:05Vader's toasty body on it but let's

0:05:07throw some other things on there

0:05:08I do however it's not strictly speaking

0:05:11a special addiction it's the version

0:05:13from 2011 change that George Lucas made

0:05:17when he was releasing the blu-rays

0:05:18they're all special Joe they're all

0:05:20special editions and they certainly have

0:05:22a special place somewhere and

0:05:24anatomically speaking but this

0:05:26particular change in sense to me because

0:05:28I didn't know about it until he was

0:05:30watching the digital version last year

0:05:32to do our episode and the focus and they

0:05:35have grafted in the know from episode 3

0:05:40the infamous know that no yeah they

0:05:43grafted that in to a scene that had a

0:05:46emotional gravity probably one of the

0:05:49better parts of Return of the Jedi where

0:05:52everything comes to a head and it's the

0:05:53Emperor luke and vader and it's turning

0:05:56Vader against the Emperor and saving

0:05:58Luke and they totally botched it

0:06:01I I absolutely loathe that there is no

0:06:03reason that change needed to exist and

0:06:06it just it sullies what otherwise is

0:06:09probably one of the the pivotal pump

0:06:12points of the entire three movies that

0:06:16you the first we'll see

0:06:18so i just i don't understand the

0:06:19changing on it infuriates every just so

0:06:23angry flames flames on the side of my

0:06:25head he says it twice to that's the

0:06:26worst part is like as he's looking he

0:06:29says and it's so on-the-nose is no very

0:06:32shortly and it's like really and then he

0:06:34and then he grabbed the Emperor go to

0:06:35know

0:06:36oh and throws him and and doesn't seem

0:06:38like someone just trolling all of us and

0:06:41I'm the Emperor else to when he goes

0:06:42down the shaft

0:06:43it's just awful makes me so angry

0:06:45because it's one of those things just

0:06:46like a damn had said there's the

0:06:49execution of an idea and there's the the

0:06:52concept of an idea in this case it

0:06:55doesn't matter how perfectly they had

0:06:57executed this if it didn't seem like it

0:07:00was recycled stuff that was added later

0:07:01it's still just conceptually is flawed

0:07:03and there's no reason for that dialogue

0:07:05to exist

0:07:06he's just he's very obvious that he's

0:07:09throwing him over the thing he doesn't

0:07:10need to be so literal when he's a man

0:07:12he's saying what he's gonna do like and

0:07:14now i will throw the Emperor over this i

0:07:16am for her go away and you can kind of

0:07:19see that their blood their weird

0:07:21rationale there was like well he's

0:07:22wearing a mask so you can see this

0:07:24journey plywood on his famous saying

0:07:26that mask is so expressive i agree with

0:07:28you John I feel like it is very

0:07:29expensive i think that's their flawed

0:07:31reasoning for it the mask is more

0:07:32expressive than any of the actors who

0:07:34played the character well Joe that was

0:07:37on my list i watch those i watch the

0:07:38before-and-after earlier today it is

0:07:40ridiculous and I I spent so much time

0:07:42with the specialized positions now that

0:07:44I had never had heard about it but I'd

0:07:46never seen it it is

0:07:48yes flames anger it's so terrible i

0:07:51think i saw the YouTube clip of it that

0:07:53was it huh

0:07:54it's so terrible for more seriously

0:07:55about about the mask being expressive

0:07:57like we say that because we have empathy

0:07:59with the character remember watching it

0:08:00but that empathy obvious doesn't cover

0:08:02the mask which doesn't actually move it

0:08:03comes entirely from the plot that has

0:08:06led up to that the camera you know the

0:08:08editing and when they show him the

0:08:10Emperor than him the Emperor and the

0:08:11music and like there's so much there you

0:08:13don't need you don't need any facial

0:08:15expression established because that mass

0:08:17does not change shape at all there's

0:08:19subtext right and then this erases that

0:08:21in favor of like let's just bring it all

0:08:23out on the table and so you didn't you

0:08:25didn't need anything in his face and

0:08:26they're like well we don't we don't have

0:08:28faced can we make him just say what his

0:08:29teeth but he's feeling we haven't just

0:08:31say it

0:08:32yes and we have any audio of that

0:08:33actually we do have some audio of that

0:08:35word so such bad decision-making well i

0:08:38would i would say in addition to the

0:08:40music and the cutting you know and the

0:08:42camera angles i think there's even some

0:08:45good body language that David Prowse

0:08:49yes that shows you his tension and he

0:08:53keep you know he keeps looking and

0:08:54turning and it's it's you can see the

0:08:57whole dilemma on Darth Vader's face

0:09:00basically in his body language totally

0:09:03unnecessary terrible yeah and I mean it

0:09:06it's another thing where Lucas got to a

0:09:08point where he didn't want to let the

0:09:10audience put the pieces together and

0:09:13that was a moment that was great for

0:09:15that but of course it was directed by

0:09:17someone else

0:09:17there's a bit of subtext that that

0:09:20turned into text like like everything in

0:09:22the prequels a little bit of

0:09:23preeclampsia Vader was going to be the

0:09:25kind of character for mumbles his

0:09:26motivations out loud

0:09:28under his breath constantly that's no

0:09:30Vader right know it

0:09:31this is also many years after everyone

0:09:34was outraged by the the original know so

0:09:37it's not like George Lucas was oblivious

0:09:38to the fact that people like it's like

0:09:41it's the right despite people don't like

0:09:43that no guess what your heart it's

0:09:44totally a troll guys

0:09:46yeah well he's he's totally control so

0:09:48that makes Monte what's a what's a

0:09:52change to an existing work that really

0:09:54bugs you

0:09:55well joe went for a change that was

0:09:59after the special editions the one

0:10:01that's always bothered me is from before

0:10:02the special editions Empire Strikes Back

0:10:06came out in 1980 and then the original

0:10:08movie star wars was re-released on April

0:10:1110 1981 and that's when it was renamed

0:10:14to star wars episode 4 colon a new hope

0:10:18now I don't find the episode 4 part but

0:10:20i'm not calling that movie a new hope no

0:10:23one knows what you mean that movie is

0:10:24called Star Wars yep and it's really

0:10:27weird to change the name of your movie

0:10:29four years after you made it

0:10:31it's the biggest movie in the world

0:10:34people its branded already it's too late

0:10:38how do you feel about indiana jones and

0:10:39the raiders along I kills me that causes

0:10:43me alphabetization problems everyday but

0:10:45if you watch raiders of the lost ark

0:10:47they didn't change the title in the

0:10:49movie

0:10:50yeah just on the box but they changed

0:10:52the title of star wars 2 episode for a

0:10:56new hope on screen during the running of

0:10:59the movie and I I people who notice that

0:11:02we know we have

0:11:03people here who call it a new hope John

0:11:04calls a new hope I i we have a service

0:11:06i'm not one of those people i am a star

0:11:08wars person that movie is called Star

0:11:11Wars that's the name of the movie

0:11:13see here's the thing is like as someone

0:11:15who is younger and like really I mean I

0:11:17didn't see it in theaters right so most

0:11:18of my ex you know I i was exposed video

0:11:21on the video tapes & and so basically i

0:11:23had seen it as that for my entire life

0:11:25and and just when talking about it with

0:11:27friends

0:11:28it was always simpler to call we just

0:11:29call aah because like if you said Star

0:11:32Wars you know you well you know terms

0:11:35it's in precise right like you can

0:11:36referring to the whole frame the whole

0:11:38franchise and its own just to be you

0:11:40know avoid confusion we used to be used

0:11:42to just call it an image and that's why

0:11:44I called me up on podcasts like I grew

0:11:46up going star wars and i always think of

0:11:47it as stars but for the purpose of

0:11:49discussing movies on podcast especially

0:11:51when were usually discussing like the

0:11:52entire series right that's why I'm

0:11:54calling in to help because it

0:11:55distinguishes it immediately think I've

0:11:57never called episode 4

0:11:59honestly I never call it episode 4 I

0:12:01would never find myself doing because

0:12:02the episode thing I reserve entirely for

0:12:05the people haha but i do like how the

0:12:08prequels have taken over so if you say

0:12:09episode one never knows what you mean

0:12:11episode 1

0:12:12everyone groans and God knows what you

0:12:14mean but the confusion of whether that

0:12:16movie or the series called Star Wars is

0:12:18George Lucas's fault and he made that

0:12:20decision and it came out in April 10

0:12:221981 and if he'd done anything else and

0:12:25just left that will be called Star Wars

0:12:26everything would be better we call to

0:12:29start two wars star wars ER start with

0:12:33the motion picture first one is star

0:12:35wore the sequel star wore out that for

0:12:38you and the stars and more until

0:12:39everyone is a great star wars list

0:12:42alright these are great uh you know

0:12:45nobody has disappointed me John what's

0:12:46up people of the stolen a lot of my

0:12:48stuff so I got back from my backup Syria

0:12:50think I'm gonna have to know it's a swap

0:12:55of the order here and i'm going to go

0:12:56with adding java to Mos Eisley in a new

0:13:01hope also noticed

0:13:02also on my list right so that was filmed

0:13:05like it's originally filmed him he

0:13:07wanted to do it come with the big guy

0:13:08wearing the the fur coat and everything

0:13:10and you know now we have the technology

0:13:11we go back and we can add that scene

0:13:13kind of like the grito seen it looks

0:13:17really bad another two versions of this

0:13:19both of them look really bad because it

0:13:22was shot with you know Harrison Ford

0:13:25walking around the guy with the fur coat

0:13:27and so they lay in Java not really to

0:13:30the right scale because he's got to kind

0:13:32of fit in the shot with him

0:13:33yeah and then they have him walk behind

0:13:35him and go over his tail and this crazy

0:13:37cut-and-paste where they floats up in

0:13:39the air goes back down like so that says

0:13:42the terriblest but also it's pointless

0:13:44because it doesn't add any urgency to

0:13:46haunt situation like we we know he's on

0:13:49the run we always got problems us seeing

0:13:51the person who he owes money to branches

0:13:54down the tension up because Java is not

0:13:57impressive or intimidating or scary and

0:13:59and if you're a crime lord you don't

0:14:01show up yourself right that's why grito

0:14:03is there it's like there's a bounty on

0:14:04him job doesn't come out there and slid

0:14:06his way into the hangar and and give him

0:14:08a stern talking-to and then he goes on

0:14:09his way it undercuts the entire thing

0:14:11and it looks terrible and when I think

0:14:13of what they've done to that the you

0:14:17know to the entire trilogy but

0:14:19specifically the star wars it really

0:14:21bothers me that the that scene is there

0:14:23like I just I just really just skip over

0:14:25don't watch it

0:14:26dialogue wise it's very clear that at

0:14:28some point after they shot the job scene

0:14:30they realize they were going to use it

0:14:32and move dialogue into the grito scene

0:14:36and so there's duplicated dialogue it

0:14:38literally makes no sense that they have

0:14:40the same conversation twice they added

0:14:42it back in didn't trim the dialogue in

0:14:44the gross in which is fine because they

0:14:45shouldn't do that but it you watch it as

0:14:48a you know vaguely attentive viewer and

0:14:51you can see they're just saying the same

0:14:53things again it doesn't make any sense

0:14:55it should not be in the movie it

0:14:57undercuts to return of the jedi because

0:14:58return the Jedi seeing job of the fact

0:15:00that you know that's a reveal and why

0:15:02would render it looks now it's tied

0:15:04together job isn't just made up of the

0:15:05third movie was in the first movie look

0:15:07here is we knew exactly what he was

0:15:08going to like you know you didn't he had

0:15:10a gun for code and that's a reveal for

0:15:12the third movie like say it's just it's

0:15:14terrible when it's it's more of a

0:15:16the suspense kind of thing anyway you

0:15:18know it's like it's like the third man

0:15:19he almost Harry Lime almost never shows

0:15:22up in the movie until the very end and

0:15:24everybody talks about him and you hear

0:15:26about Mandy's menacing as a result is

0:15:28the same thing with Jabba if all you

0:15:30have for these minions coming after solo

0:15:32and then you know then it's like in the

0:15:35third movie now we have job you know now

0:15:38it's serious

0:15:39where is this it's like oh he's he's

0:15:42small enough that he can go and visit

0:15:43him in the hangar

0:15:44he's an ugly sad fucking slut guy I get

0:15:46it yeah yeah I've been quiet because I

0:15:48completely agree with everything

0:15:49everybody said i would just like to just

0:15:53gonna pile on and say that this is awful

0:15:54but uh as John said they've done this

0:15:56twice and it still looks terrible and i

0:15:59don't know how many more times they need

0:16:00to do it because i'm not even sure they

0:16:01could do it well if they gave it another

0:16:03shot because it just the movement that

0:16:06is required to replace the actor that's

0:16:09there is so unjust alike from what you

0:16:13see in return of the jedi that ate it

0:16:16would never

0:16:17conceptually function because you still

0:16:20have something that small and moving too

0:16:21fast and you still have Harrison Ford

0:16:24hopping over the back of it i just don't

0:16:25think you're ever gonna get this angel

0:16:26to work at all and I so I I don't even

0:16:30think it's a thing of being overly

0:16:31ambitious with the tools he had i think

0:16:33it was it was something where it's just

0:16:34like oh yeah these pieces will not fit

0:16:36together at all so I should just abandon

0:16:38it

0:16:39I'm willing to forgive everything that

0:16:40scene except Harrison forward being

0:16:43clearly just moved up as he goes oh yes

0:16:46just translated he levitates the total

0:16:49two down.of alright David lure it's your

0:16:51turn for a travesty that was a change

0:16:54what do you have

0:16:55well I'm everything has been on my list

0:16:57so far so I'm just crossing off going

0:16:59down and and I actually have a few more

0:17:02but the the 1i think I'm gonna go with

0:17:04because it drove me nuts in the theater

0:17:06at the moment watching special editions

0:17:09every scene that they can shove things

0:17:13in in every section of the frame drove

0:17:17me nuts

0:17:18you know i mean okay yes yes make Mos

0:17:20Eisley bigger yes have all these

0:17:22creatures yes add more ships in the

0:17:24background two scenes but not so many

0:17:27you know and there's so many moving

0:17:29hearts that they throw in there that

0:17:30it's hard to focus once you have you

0:17:32know once you're on the streets of Mos

0:17:34Eisley you have all these things walking

0:17:35around and walking in front walking

0:17:37behind and you know it's like stop it

0:17:40I know you can do this but do it better

0:17:42You Know have an editor have someone say

0:17:45no no not not 30 like five and five

0:17:48things five is good maybe the opening

0:17:51shot and what most isolated is the best

0:17:53example I think of just there's too much

0:17:55stuff there

0:17:56yeah that was the final thing on my list

0:17:57dinosaurs do not make Mos Eisley seem

0:18:00you can see ya in a slapstick robots

0:18:03it's supposed to be a backwater right

0:18:05like it seems always a negative

0:18:07it just seems like I don't know if you

0:18:09look at the circus is in town

0:18:11I don't mind a few more bad guys it's a

0:18:12wretched hi it's like he wants to make

0:18:14it into two like Casablanca but with you

0:18:17know dinosaurs as if they didn't have

0:18:19enough background characters to

0:18:20merchandise they're like oh great we're

0:18:21doing opportunity

0:18:22yeah painful these are all great and

0:18:25terrible at the same time David Sparkes

0:18:27what do you have what so what's a

0:18:29special edition change that you do not

0:18:30approve of

0:18:31well first of all I I second every pic

0:18:33so far should think what one that struck

0:18:37me like a in the theater just like what

0:18:41the heck did they do is the song Jedi

0:18:44rocks minus 1 take it was on my list too

0:18:48yeah yeah i mean there but the song they

0:18:52played in Jabba's palace originally was

0:18:54kind of in universe felt like it then

0:18:58they put this Jedi rocks thing which

0:18:59makes no sense because there's no Jedi

0:19:01around at this point how could who's

0:19:03left to rock and and then the CGI

0:19:06character that they created for it is is

0:19:09terrible and the whole thing is just the

0:19:12CGI character could be described as a as

0:19:15a bad actor you could do it with that

0:19:17character that it is just that the guy

0:19:20who liked keeps coming up to the camera

0:19:21and backing off and the other moment

0:19:23we'll see Jackie here is that hole yeah

0:19:25it's terrible

0:19:26random guy could you take it down from

0:19:28like 11

0:19:29really playing this card and it led even

0:19:32do a shot where he opens up his mouth

0:19:35and you see us alive in the back of his

0:19:37foot

0:19:38yes they couldn't do like ray-traced

0:19:41reflective slice which is this mushy

0:19:43almost no glue like metallic thing it's

0:19:50it's gross

0:19:51uh is it is really disturbing i just

0:19:53don't know what a just makes me you're

0:19:55suddenly in the Looney Tunes cartoon or

0:19:57something else

0:19:58Newman and his tonsils like that's not

0:20:00that's not a thing we do is start what

0:20:02happened here to read we change on a

0:20:04frozen and you just can't get the scene

0:20:06is that a great scene as as I grew up

0:20:09with it but then it like just takes you

0:20:11out and it's terrible

0:20:12max Reeboks maximo gets like totally

0:20:15sideline he would get a couple shots but

0:20:17he is everybody's favorite blue alien

0:20:19bandleader and he's totally just a

0:20:21puppet sorry Bloo adium bandleader

0:20:23puppet and he's totally sidelined in the

0:20:25in the redo to which is no good so yet

0:20:28and even the makeup on the new backup

0:20:30singers it doesn't look anything like

0:20:33the rest of the film

0:20:34well my choice is also a musical

0:20:37replacement in Return of the Jedi

0:20:39oh cuz you know what I'll i want you but

0:20:42the end I want you know at the end I

0:20:45don't want orchestral music and shots of

0:20:47planets from the prequels as the final

0:20:49victory is celebrated in you know I

0:20:52don't

0:20:53yup knob you know it was a weird choice

0:20:55and all that but expect we spent two

0:20:58hours with those little teddy bears on

0:20:59their little forest moon we're gonna go

0:21:01with you dub and into a race d climax of

0:21:05this great trilogy and replace it with

0:21:07kind of some new music and a lot of

0:21:10fireworks because everybody's got

0:21:11fireworks ready to go in case of

0:21:13anything good happens anywhere and the

0:21:15shots of khorasan and all that you know

0:21:17what a what a UH a bitter way to end the

0:21:22watching the special edition trilogies

0:21:24to have the the final capper be this

0:21:27kind of generic rewrite and promotion of

0:21:29material from the prequel trilogy it

0:21:32doesn't make any sense with what we know

0:21:34now right like because it's not like

0:21:35everybody was just like a the Empire's

0:21:37done

0:21:38yeah right like that that make that made

0:21:40no sense to me at the time because all

0:21:41of a sudden you realize like how did the

0:21:43news get from like all the way over

0:21:44there and then everyone's like oh yeah

0:21:46we're free like there's still a ton of

0:21:47people left like the Empire still around

0:21:50so yeah we always struck me as very like

0:21:52a hollow victory thing and so it was

0:21:54weird to have it like echoed over all

0:21:56these planets

0:21:56yeah at and including Coruscant doesn't

0:21:59make any sense that wasn't setting and

0:22:00committed any of these films are you and

0:22:02the ones that i didn't know that I had

0:22:04my list that didn't come out by the way

0:22:06were r2d2 hiding behind the cgi rocks

0:22:08redoubling of Boba Fett's voice with the

0:22:11and with the actor who did Jango Fett

0:22:13from the original prequels and of course

0:22:15the placement of hayden christensen as a

0:22:17horse yeah it among the many disastrous

0:22:20things that happened at the end of

0:22:22Return of the Jedi return of jedi for a

0:22:25movie that would seem to not have that

0:22:26many changes at first glance and then

0:22:29you realize know it i think it fares the

0:22:31worst of all of the movies in terms of

0:22:33the changes that they made yeah they're

0:22:35a lot like they tried the hardest to

0:22:37because I feel like maybe they felt like

0:22:39that was the one they were most

0:22:40dissatisfied with her that George was

0:22:41most dissatisfied with and so it felt

0:22:44like he charged tried really hard to

0:22:46like make it better and it was like you

0:22:48overcompensate

0:22:50yeah you know that everybody wanted to

0:22:52get hired for the prequel so they're

0:22:54trying to outdo each other this is right

0:22:56yeah we see the SES yes man you could

0:22:58possibly be enough about Rick McCallum

0:23:00the two things i had that didn't get

0:23:02mentioned where the two to David's point

0:23:04out the Masai changes the Empire changes

0:23:06in Cloud City where they're running

0:23:08around the lb suddenly outdoor carrot

0:23:10the corridors which is just again

0:23:11unnecessary and then there's that weird

0:23:15scene that they shove in an empire where

0:23:16he says bring my shuttle and I always

0:23:18felt like that just it just totally

0:23:20ruins the pacing yet I I that was

0:23:22someone used footage from Return of the

0:23:24Jedi they just like how will we get we

0:23:26got an extra shuttle landing let's just

0:23:28put it in here because we need to make

0:23:29sure the audience knows how he got back

0:23:30up to the ship happens like I don't know

0:23:33how it's terrible it's such a bad scene

0:23:36just because it ruins what again like

0:23:38what is probably the best you know and

0:23:40most coherent of all three of them light

0:23:42is the most it's tightly edited like

0:23:44Empire and so it's shoving that in there

0:23:46all of a sudden you just get like

0:23:47whiplash because you're like wait what I

0:23:48was I was engaged in like that what's

0:23:50going on down there

0:23:51vampire one of the obscure things on my

0:23:54list is the change of the line when our

0:23:56to get spit out by the closure and sega

0:23:59and the original line is dorky comedy

0:24:03totally in fitting with that whole

0:24:04setting which is you

0:24:05you're lucky you don't taste very good

0:24:06but just true he probably doesn't taste

0:24:08very good and they replace that with you

0:24:10were lucky to get out of there it was

0:24:13not and is worse doesn't it

0:24:16then again that is just totally puddling

0:24:18it's like they shouldn't effort on that

0:24:19I can't we don't know they didn't David

0:24:22they did not like you're really it's not

0:24:25on the right it's almost as if that

0:24:26they're trying to say like do it

0:24:28happening jokes that are corny and and

0:24:30don't land we should fix those and they

0:24:33misidentified one that is its it lands

0:24:35just fine lands as well is every other

0:24:37line in dega and I said we need to fix

0:24:40that instead of punching it up they

0:24:41basically got you know someone to come

0:24:43in and punch down the script can you

0:24:45punch that down

0:24:45sure how about you were lucky to get out

0:24:47of there yes that's punchdown good

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0:27:02alright let's move on to round two in

0:27:04this round we will be picking the worst

0:27:06retcon anything that was stated in film

0:27:10and made later that changes our

0:27:12understanding of something that came

0:27:15before and just kick us off this time

0:27:17will be Joe steel

0:27:19ok so there are a lot of changes that I

0:27:23disagree with and say things that just

0:27:26reaching back altered something that I

0:27:30really enjoyed one of those things is

0:27:31the origin story for c-3po III don't

0:27:34know why and you can need to build him i

0:27:37don't know why having him in all three

0:27:40of the first movies and then wiping his

0:27:42mind and then saying he was there the

0:27:44whole entire time but not really and

0:27:45then having r2d2 along

0:27:47I'm not wiping r2d2's mind and so he

0:27:49knows all the stuff too and it's just

0:27:51like this is a really strange choice IE

0:27:54really up really bothered me because I

0:27:57actually really like c-3po and I know

0:27:58that he's not anyone's favorite

0:28:00character except for probably but uh it

0:28:03just didn't work and the rod puppet was

0:28:06ridiculous and the reasons that he made

0:28:09a protocol droid for his enslaved mother

0:28:11are not Apple existent you know

0:28:16yeah so is always my pic that's why was

0:28:18my number one picture I wasn't saying

0:28:19someone else added boy those minor

0:28:22leagues API was inexplicable origin

0:28:24no it's not gonna nobody remembers now

0:28:27when you watch the original trilogy any

0:28:28type c-3po systems like thank the maker

0:28:30as he's sinking into the oil bath you

0:28:32have yup yup come on the fader but it

0:28:35does give you all these hilarious

0:28:36conspiracy theories like there's a scene

0:28:38in Empire where uh you know but with

0:28:40that goes to shoot chewy when he's

0:28:42freaking out in the carbonate chamber

0:28:44and Darth Vader like pushes his gun down

0:28:46and i had a friend suggested me like no

0:28:48it's because he recognized the c-3po he

0:28:49doesn't want to shoot c-3po like

0:28:53stormtroopers already shy nobody's alive

0:28:55at that point it's like it's like that's

0:28:57a great conspiracy theory

0:28:58alright c-3po I i agree it was on my

0:29:02list too

0:29:03yea Monty what what's your bad redcon c3

0:29:07feels ok but I like r2d2 you know i like

0:29:10about rtd to use this cool robot who

0:29:12rolls around everywhere and you can do a

0:29:14lot of things

0:29:15oh and by the way it turns out he can

0:29:16fly he could've been flying this whole

0:29:21time I mean that he could have avoided

0:29:24that whole problem John was talking

0:29:25about with the catcher in the swamp all

0:29:27it is it the jags that is that fuel they

0:29:29never refilled them

0:29:30yeah maybe it was just broken he well

0:29:32maybe it was like c-3po we're gonna wipe

0:29:34your mind already do

0:29:36it's like what's the rocket pack gonna

0:29:38be five min and James Bond get oil

0:29:40slicks he's got a booster rockets there

0:29:43i think he was here all along tax come

0:29:45out behind him by the time you get to

0:29:47clone wars the cartoon which is still

0:29:49cannon he's flying all the time

0:29:51consuming just completely ran out of

0:29:54rocket fuel

0:29:55just before episode 4 which is why he

0:29:58couldn't just fly over all those sand

0:30:00dunes and avoid all the Jawas i do

0:30:02teachers ability to fly affects a lot of

0:30:04scenes

0:30:05yeah yeah yeah alright John what's a bad

0:30:08redcon you're gonna disqualify this is

0:30:10not a red card but i think it doesn't

0:30:12have a little bit of supporting evidence

0:30:13in the much-hated prequels Padme dies

0:30:19during childbirth pretty inexplicably of

0:30:22a broken heart of sadness losing the

0:30:24will to live

0:30:25never happens with the robot honest and

0:30:27that's a problem because in return of

0:30:29the jedi Alaska she remembers her mother

0:30:30just a little bit she says she died when

0:30:33I was very young

0:30:34yeah very young apparently you know what

0:30:36do you remember about her she says just

0:30:38images really feelings well she could

0:30:40have seen pictures of her because she

0:30:42was very beautiful kind but sad you you

0:30:45never spoke to her you never knew her

0:30:47and it's it's weird that if your mother

0:30:49died during childbirth that they would

0:30:51tell you when you know like it doesn't

0:30:53it doesn't make any sense

0:30:54so I is considered a retcon and it's a

0:30:57dumb retcon because by the time the

0:30:59prequels end we don't we don't need we

0:31:01don't need to see her die we know that

0:31:03she's had these twins and their split up

0:31:05and but you know she could die

0:31:08there's so many different ways you can

0:31:09die and decide you're gonna die you know

0:31:11because the plot says you're going to

0:31:13for reasons we won't get into with these

0:31:16terrible medical drugs that could be

0:31:17should be sued for malpractice across

0:31:18the galaxy because they're so bad at

0:31:20their job

0:31:21yeah it's a it's just upsetting you're

0:31:23right that is absolutely a retcon

0:31:25because I thought about that many times

0:31:27and in fact i have a pic later on my

0:31:29draft board that is related to this very

0:31:30idea so yes yes later remembers her

0:31:34mother and you could argue that maybe

0:31:35that that's a that's a her adopted

0:31:38mother if Jimmy Smits let's say he says

0:31:42he looks as your real mom I don't

0:31:43remember is already know it's you yeah

0:31:46it doesn't mail this ends nailed it

0:31:48absolutely agree a hundred plus the

0:31:50Padme stuff in episode 3 is terrible on

0:31:53so many different levels and and in this

0:31:55case totally unnecessary and contradicts

0:31:58the cannon what that that was that was

0:32:01also on my list are David what's your

0:32:03read con there's one big giant bullseye

0:32:06that I'm surprised it's still on the

0:32:07board but I couldn't leave it on the

0:32:08board because the one that drove me

0:32:10crazy was a red conning boba fett yes it

0:32:15did was was Boba Fett to cool did did we

0:32:18have to like give him this huge tragic

0:32:21backstory and make him a sad little

0:32:23whiny kid upset at the the Jedi for

0:32:25decapitating his dad wait a minute why

0:32:29he seems a little harsh I'd be sad if

0:32:30that happens

0:32:32we have true true but but did we need to

0:32:34see that isn't it ok free him to just be

0:32:37a bounty hunter

0:32:39I mean boba fett boba fett barely lived

0:32:41up to his hype in the original movies

0:32:43because you know he gets he gets the I

0:32:46keep it gets knocked into the Sarlacc

0:32:49goodness the Sarlacc thank you

0:32:51you know how pathetic is that he has

0:32:54like one really cool moment in the

0:32:56original movies but now you know he's

0:33:00just oh yeah let me tell you by the way

0:33:03just as an aside since we've been

0:33:05talking about red cards and changes of

0:33:07all the things they did return of the

0:33:08jedi how the hell did they not show a

0:33:11shot of Boba Fett cool crawling out of

0:33:14the Sarlacc that stage everybody wanted

0:33:17to see I don't do that

0:33:20boba fett doesn't need a tragic

0:33:21backstory can you not just be a bounty

0:33:23hunter does he have to have it pass

0:33:24intertwined with the rest of everybody

0:33:26in the universe whose in this movie

0:33:29no no he doesn't David Sparkes what's

0:33:32your worst redcon well thanks David I

0:33:34think you can help me out by not picking

0:33:36the obvious one because when I was nine

0:33:39years old when this movie came out i

0:33:41believe that i had the force inside of

0:33:44me i'm almost certain i moved to spoon

0:33:47I certainly tried enough and I always

0:33:50felt like it was this mystical thing and

0:33:53turns out you just need a blood test and

0:33:55if you got these midi-chlorians then you

0:33:57have the forest and if not tough luck

0:33:59buddy that just crushed me when I saw

0:34:02that that that was the point for me in

0:34:06episode one where i went from well maybe

0:34:08this will get better to know this is

0:34:10going to be a terrible experience for me

0:34:12and I have never recovered from that why

0:34:16on earth did they do that why did they

0:34:17have to put a blood test in for the

0:34:19force be add a little salt layer of

0:34:21science on your totally magic thing

0:34:24that's still totally magic but now it

0:34:27has some science on top of the magic

0:34:29I hate the midi-chlorian so much me that

0:34:32in my mind that I just pretend they

0:34:33don't exist and i bet you're never going

0:34:35to hear the word again and it's in

0:34:37movies

0:34:37I didn't have that on my list is not i'm

0:34:39a big mclaren defender but logically

0:34:42speaking it made some sense to me

0:34:44in that the force is strong in my family

0:34:46is a whole big thing it's inherited

0:34:49so if you have that you know it sounds

0:34:52like there should be a genetic component

0:34:53to it otherwise why would follow family

0:34:55lines and it also makes some vague kind

0:34:57of sense that in this earlier age when

0:35:00they were more Jedi around and it wasn't

0:35:01so mysterious that they had a better

0:35:03handle on

0:35:04hey this force is strong in your family

0:35:05and it's an inherited thing that we know

0:35:06how that works kind of the ages and that

0:35:09much earlier it's only like 18 years

0:35:10earlier

0:35:11you've got like Harry Potter right we're

0:35:13like you have bloodlines that have like

0:35:14Wizarding powers and in some ways that's

0:35:16done better than its time here because

0:35:19here they try to apply something stupid

0:35:20yeah i mean like the worst thing about

0:35:22it i think is that it's brought into the

0:35:24story as a more concrete version of what

0:35:26you already knew with that it's in

0:35:27hereditary but they never do anything

0:35:29with it no it's not as if that is

0:35:30pivotal to the rest of the story that is

0:35:33this important that in this universe we

0:35:35in this phase of history we know exactly

0:35:37how this works and sees midi-chlorians

0:35:38because that's not that's not part of

0:35:40the plot at all it's just like hey we

0:35:42can nail this down further and then move

0:35:44on with our dumb story i just feel like

0:35:46it would've been so much better if it

0:35:47didn't exist

0:35:48it just doesn't have anything I'd rather

0:35:50be so mysteriously it's not measurable

0:35:52it's something you you know people that

0:35:54can wield the force can feel it and

0:35:56other people but you can't take a blood

0:35:58test I don't know just a qualifying just

0:36:01defends me at so many levels

0:36:02I'm surprised they didn't show that

0:36:04scene in the force awakens where when

0:36:06Ray arrives at the rebel base she's

0:36:08immediately given a blood test for

0:36:09midi-chlorians strangely that didn't

0:36:12seem to happen

0:36:13dan what's your choice for worst redcon

0:36:15a lot of good the ones that are on my

0:36:18list of been taken off the table but i'm

0:36:19going to pick one that's a little weird

0:36:20but it bothered me a little bit and that

0:36:24is the stottah Lynn consistency and lack

0:36:27of understanding about force ghosts

0:36:29which is this thing right in the in the

0:36:32original trilogy you know we want dies

0:36:34his body disappears he shows up later as

0:36:35a ghost Yoda dies body disappear shows

0:36:37up later as ghosts or theater dies

0:36:40alright well we don't really know what

0:36:41happened there it's kind of weird be

0:36:42still shows up later as it goes like you

0:36:44about the body's gone only the suit is

0:36:46being cooked at that point again

0:36:48yeah I guess it's just a you wanna you

0:36:50wanna you wanna BBQ your suit is quite

0:36:53gone dies in episode 1 and not so much

0:36:58anything happens with that and as I

0:37:00recall is the time there was this whole

0:37:01question about it and they're like oh my

0:37:04god actually the one who figures out

0:37:06like he can become a force ghost and

0:37:08you'll see that later

0:37:09it never gets gone back into EndNote in

0:37:11the prequels it gets alluded to in clone

0:37:14wars i believe a and even then and

0:37:18rebels i think a little bit too maybe

0:37:20and even then it doesn't entirely make

0:37:22sense and so it's kind of weird because

0:37:25you have this whole idea and I guess

0:37:27they decided well why aren't there are a

0:37:29million Jedi ghost running around all

0:37:30the time which does seem to present its

0:37:33own problems but I always felt like it

0:37:36just bothered me that they're like me

0:37:38all the Jedi in the original trilogy

0:37:40seem to be able to do this and none of

0:37:42the Jedi in you in the prequel seem to

0:37:44be able to do this and what what why

0:37:46like you know again I don't want stuff

0:37:49over explain like oh they had a really

0:37:50high midi-chlorian count i guess they

0:37:52could do this but you know the idea even

0:37:54that there was some sort of discipline

0:37:55or whatever that they learned that allow

0:37:57them to do this it just it's weird it's

0:37:59weird inconsistent and I felt like they

0:38:01tried to say oh no we totally know why

0:38:03that is and then like never actually

0:38:04explain why it was so well I realize

0:38:07that's a little nitpicky but it was

0:38:08either that or their pronunciation of

0:38:10course aunt which I hate it when and

0:38:14kind of related redcon for me with the

0:38:16force ghost is you know why is it in the

0:38:19new return of the jedi that you know why

0:38:22is it Alec Guinness and old Yoda and

0:38:25hayden christensen yeah doesn't make any

0:38:27sense why is before this gray truck did

0:38:29David obviously there's a lot of

0:38:32questions about like if you lose your

0:38:34arm in real life and then you become a

0:38:35force ghost do you get your arm back

0:38:37that I think are left are left

0:38:39unanswered but the having a you die in

0:38:41the game dude I don't realize it

0:38:44guys this is all covered in that

0:38:46youngling Jedi class

0:38:47okay good uh I i think the reality is

0:38:50that Lucas didn't really know what to do

0:38:52with the if you strike me down I shall

0:38:53become more powerful than you probably

0:38:55could possibly imagine and was like yeah

0:38:57we'll just

0:38:58finesse that not talking about hatch he

0:39:01doesn't see that powerful voice overs

0:39:03and he whispers at people that's his

0:39:05best for very inspirational do you feel

0:39:07like he's dissing Anakin's imagination

0:39:09there's like yeah you suck it Matt

0:39:10yonder you're gonna be ghosts whispering

0:39:13and Luke's here

0:39:14yeah okay you got me that he was pivotal

0:39:16to the for the trench shoring up his

0:39:18look in theory would have missed if you

0:39:20just tried to use the computer so Ben's

0:39:22like some the district and I really good

0:39:24time if you strike me down I will become

0:39:26more pivotal than you can possibly that

0:39:28it was it was just a mistranslation

0:39:30there was no way he was gonna fit in the

0:39:33x-wing behind Luke whispering to him

0:39:35like so he had to be a ghost in order

0:39:36for that to work but his force ghost

0:39:39helped it go into the right spot to

0:39:41that's house although that was all Luke

0:39:43Luke you know you gotta slow the film

0:39:45down you can see ghostly Alec Guinness

0:39:47out there pushing the torpedo sideways

0:39:49yeah that's right yeah and I'd also

0:39:52argue that you him getting them to yoga

0:39:53was super important to her but oh yeah

0:39:56either but your phone kind of phone that

0:39:58one is like going to do system.out

0:40:00vastly that fast power more than you can

0:40:02imagine but not really anyway I here's

0:40:05mine a lot of good choices here I think

0:40:08the one that I'm gonna go with that's

0:40:10left on the board is in the original

0:40:13trilogy obi-wan tells Luke your father

0:40:18was a great pilot when I met him there

0:40:20is a serious implication that obi-wan

0:40:24meets Anakin Skywalker when they are

0:40:27young men and then episode one comes and

0:40:31not only do they meet when he's just a

0:40:34little kid but that little kid now

0:40:36because of that dialogue has to already

0:40:38be a great pilot from which we get

0:40:41podracing and the accident launch of the

0:40:43spaceship that he flies around and all

0:40:45these other completely ridiculous things

0:40:47that happen completely ruining the idea

0:40:49that they met as young men and he was

0:40:52already an established pilot at that

0:40:54point and instead now he's a child

0:40:56prodigy slave kid from a desert planet

0:40:58who somehow has become a great pilot

0:41:01because mid maybe midi-chlorians I don't

0:41:03know maybe they work that way on his day

0:41:06off from being a slave he takes flying

0:41:07lessons clearly plus it totally screwed

0:41:10the you and mcgregor kind

0:41:12screen with a little bit because he's

0:41:13clearly supposed to be much younger in

0:41:15episode 1 than he actually is right like

0:41:17I think he's supposed to be like a

0:41:18teenager essentially yeah because their

0:41:20day when he gets older they see and and

0:41:22Anakin end up being more like peers

0:41:25right and yet if if you you and McGregor

0:41:27is his actual age there which is

0:41:29probably like 30 probably like it

0:41:30doesn't really make any sense anymore

0:41:32yeah well it's like I'm $1 age it goes

0:41:34back to live Lucas's misguided concept

0:41:37for episode 1 which was Colette show

0:41:40Anakin when he's like a eight-year-old

0:41:42kid and it's just a huge it's a huge

0:41:45mistake and everything else comes out of

0:41:47that decision but this is an example

0:41:49where like it's very clear and dialogue

0:41:51you can you can fake it and so they did

0:41:53fake it but there's no way that this is

0:41:55what was intended and what was supposed

0:41:57to be in people's minds when when that

0:42:00dialogue is in the first movie hate it

0:42:02hate it

0:42:04yeah let's move on to round 3 in this

0:42:07round I'm going to ask you to pick

0:42:08something that's dumb

0:42:10in the original trilogy and and I i'm

0:42:14going to specify before it was meddled

0:42:16with something that's original to the

0:42:18original trilogy that you think maybe

0:42:20it's not so good

0:42:21Monty now people have internalised

0:42:24justifications for this but they are

0:42:27wrong

0:42:27ok wen Han Solo says the Millennium

0:42:30Falcon made the Kessel run on left and

0:42:32follow our sex that is not because he

0:42:35was good at navigating near black holes

0:42:37that wasn't because he was delivering to

0:42:39moving ships it's because George Lucas

0:42:41doesn't know what a parsec is I'm sure

0:42:44he does now and I don't receive any way

0:42:47they put they put the Kessel run in 12

0:42:49parsecs line into the force awakens just

0:42:52to Jabba people like me but it's just a

0:42:56fundamental mistake and for all the

0:42:58times they've messed with the dialogue

0:43:00to fix things they could have fixed this

0:43:02it's just dumb are 64 distance not time

0:43:05you know if they fix that I would have

0:43:07been one of the things I complain about

0:43:08them

0:43:09no there's no pleasing everybody agree

0:43:12especially me

0:43:13it's just sort of two too late to fix it

0:43:16it's become kind of iconic which is why

0:43:17it's great that they do that reference

0:43:19in the force awakens but yeah

0:43:22anybody who knows anything about like

0:43:23astronomy knows

0:43:25parsecs is distance it's a but the

0:43:28retcon like the right kind of the

0:43:29nerdiest of all red cons because it can

0:43:32be read con because you can say well you

0:43:34just assume that the run that what you

0:43:36want to do on a run is doing the least

0:43:39amount of time but that's that's you

0:43:40know that's just your assumption in fact

0:43:42and then they you know yeah it and

0:43:44explain away right with Lucan all the

0:43:46details of that clearly Harrison Ford

0:43:48learn this line phonetically and

0:43:50assuming that it made sense my own head

0:43:54Canon is that he says it and obi-wan

0:43:55gives them this look like yeah pull the

0:43:58other one like he's testing them to see

0:43:59how much they actually know about flying

0:44:01at the speakership when I realized that

0:44:03is totally headcanon yeah i'll be want

0:44:06to chew our old pals so they don't even

0:44:08need that yeah that's not my god why

0:44:11pick that well ok John something that's

0:44:15done in the original trilogy actually

0:44:16had trouble trying to think of this

0:44:18because I have something that feels

0:44:19about Derek original trilogy that like I

0:44:22mean because it's phrased as dumb right

0:44:25yeah and so there's not much the dome

0:44:27where technology except interpreted as

0:44:30you want

0:44:30I handful of things but everything is

0:44:32the robot could be a robot you never

0:44:34know to just take a shot my number one

0:44:37is no metal for Chuy yep I why is that

0:44:40dumb

0:44:41um so there's is the obvious things like

0:44:44looking there's a certain number of

0:44:45people who are up there on the stage who

0:44:47were pivotal in the victory here and

0:44:49they're getting medals and she is there

0:44:51and he is important is the copilot

0:44:54Millennium Falcon I was pivotal to the

0:44:56victory right to let Luke take the shot

0:44:58but no metal for him and it just kind of

0:45:00feels kind of a not racist butts pcs

0:45:03whatever the word is 44

0:45:05it's racist no spaces yeah space races

0:45:08know right but more broadly like no

0:45:12metal for Chuy's is the the capsule

0:45:14summary this but more broadly in the end

0:45:16of a new hope it's a celebratory endings

0:45:18you're supposed to feel happy that they

0:45:20blew up the Death Star but two ended in

0:45:22a medal ceremony is a little on the nose

0:45:26like a lot of people died during the

0:45:29assault on the Death Star and the rebels

0:45:31are victorious but it is is the right

0:45:34note to be like forget all those people

0:45:36had died reward the

0:45:38two heroes of the movie with like with

0:45:40metals like and they're so happy to get

0:45:41the metals and they're just smiling and

0:45:43I mean it should be a little bit more

0:45:44someone saying they should have like a

0:45:45down or anything like oh all the rebels

0:45:47have died because we have a vampire for

0:45:49that but just just thinking about the

0:45:51medal ceremony in general made me think

0:45:53that but if you're gonna have a medal

0:45:54ceremony two against one

0:45:55he's standing right there put around his

0:45:57neck so it's not like they have even won

0:45:58the whole war right like that's kinda

0:46:01kind of celebrating before before they

0:46:03really put the cap on it

0:46:04there are Millennials they need to get

0:46:05rewarded after everything jury yeah you

0:46:07did such a good job long up at that star

0:46:10but the tester could kill a planet i

0:46:11think they are entitled to a little

0:46:13ceremony little ceremony I just feel

0:46:15like it's at odds with him being like a

0:46:17scrappy little rebellion they've got

0:46:18like everybody lined up they've got this

0:46:20very like procedure this protocol

0:46:22they've taken the time to make metals

0:46:24can't they melt that down and use it for

0:46:25war material and some sort on it was

0:46:28like going to go into like the school

0:46:30play but your kids not in it you just

0:46:31gotta stand there at attention with all

0:46:33time that went slowly because the metals

0:46:35around these two people's necks and they

0:46:37just don't get the truth is everyone

0:46:38just wants to leave she should at least

0:46:39get a participation trophy the solemn

0:46:42memory of like memorial for those who

0:46:44died in the mission that happened before

0:46:46we we cut to that in the slideshow

0:46:48showing Porkins yeah it's alright hold

0:46:52your applause till the end didn't chewy

0:46:54probably fire the laser shot that sent

0:46:57Darth Vader spinning away from the Death

0:47:00Star

0:47:01I think that's what's under spinning

0:47:02away was the other type of them into the

0:47:05laser shot the ways it's right there was

0:47:07a bank shot is a bit of a bank shut the

0:47:08laser had one tie fighter than you know

0:47:10typewriter saw that his friend had

0:47:12swerved off course and he freaked out

0:47:13and bumped into her later yep

0:47:15really boy that's major was a much

0:47:17better pilot when he was a young kid

0:47:19yeah turns out alright David something

0:47:22that's done in the original trilogy

0:47:24well my my wife went because I i sent

0:47:26all these to my wife because she was

0:47:28always the bigger star wars fan in the

0:47:30house and of course the prequels killed

0:47:33that she's totally done now and but I

0:47:36said you know here's some things and her

0:47:38her first reaction was he walks and i

0:47:40said no i'm not saying he walks know

0:47:43my-my one dumb thing is

0:47:46is again boba fett slamed us i mean even

0:47:49in the original trilogy you know all the

0:47:51hype we had for him and and all of all

0:47:54when he really acts cool when he's

0:47:56really effective is in the holiday

0:47:59special in the cartoon and in the movies

0:48:01he's pretty much he's standing around he

0:48:04gets his orders he standing around again

0:48:06he doesn't exactly capture anybody and

0:48:08then he gets knocked into the Sarlacc

0:48:10pit you're selling short he an empire he

0:48:12has this time the sunday he they have a

0:48:14group of bounty hunters who are tasked

0:48:16with this and the group bounty hunters

0:48:18presumably goes out to try to do what

0:48:19they're all tasked with doing but he's

0:48:20the only one who knows

0:48:22did see that the console is going to

0:48:24flow with the garbage he is clever and

0:48:26he is a worthy adversary for harm but

0:48:29the only thing he did was hide in the

0:48:30garbage and everything yeah yeah he

0:48:32didn't he didn't actually capture

0:48:33anybody when they get to cloud city

0:48:36there's Vader you know I mean there's no

0:48:38no well you know what he did his job was

0:48:40no one else could find him and he was

0:48:42smart it shows him being that the

0:48:44smartest and most capable of the bounty

0:48:45hunters and a Jedi a totally undercuts

0:48:48that but and then he gets knocked into a

0:48:49monster by a blind guy he actually is

0:48:51accidentally partnership in the garbage

0:48:53chute it was definitely all right

0:48:57Boba Fett is a yeah you know return to

0:49:00China he's not so great he is he's good

0:49:02at Empire Sparky what is your pick

0:49:04um like John i love these movies so much

0:49:07the original moves this was a hard one

0:49:09for me to but because i watch them off

0:49:11and there's one logic problem i have

0:49:13every time i watch the movie they leave

0:49:15the Death Star and Leia says they're

0:49:19tracking us that was too easy so then

0:49:21let's go straight to the rebel hideout

0:49:23if I think what why did they do that

0:49:26why didn't they go get a different ship

0:49:28or you know I don't understand why if he

0:49:31knew they were tracking us straight to

0:49:32the plate the last place in the universe

0:49:34you want them to find no one listens the

0:49:36women that's why they're tracking us

0:49:38yeah okay alright I think about that

0:49:40every time because the whole reason the

0:49:42Death Star is about to blow up their

0:49:43their moon is because they went back

0:49:45there they let them and they know it and

0:49:47they know it and they still go back

0:49:49there but the only one who knows those

0:49:51land she is not able to convince the

0:49:53others he says you call that easy

0:49:54it's gonna don't forget it i think

0:49:56that's it's the third act they should

0:49:58have just gone somewhere in like retire

0:50:00heard settle down in Iceland moon well

0:50:02they could they could like a ditch the

0:50:04rebellion you do it staged the falken

0:50:05briefly and I searched it or deactivate

0:50:08which the falken what you just said mind

0:50:13the park it somewhere in a junkyard and

0:50:15then get back later I don't know I'm

0:50:17sorry ginger said that was too easy but

0:50:19didn't go the extra step of saying

0:50:20they're tracking us so you know they

0:50:22didn't believe her once they arrived at

0:50:23the rebel base and layers if not in

0:50:26charge at least one of the bigwigs in

0:50:28command she could have said now that

0:50:29we've landed please have your tech crews

0:50:31come on board and search for tracking

0:50:33devices name is probably that too late

0:50:35it's not too late because apparently the

0:50:38death star can go from system to system

0:50:40but once against the system it takes at

0:50:42least what 10-15 minutes at getting

0:50:43inside of the road hyperspace is not

0:50:45precise like that

0:50:46well there's an intern who jumped them

0:50:48into the wrong side of the system that's

0:50:49right that's like asking to take us like

0:50:51what at least 25 minutes that the inside

0:50:54of the rebel base just enough time for a

0:50:56trench run again ah damn what's a dumb

0:50:59thing from the original trilogy alright

0:51:01okay i had a lot of trouble with this 12

0:51:02we're making it hard Monty suggested

0:51:04this because he's a monster and I think

0:51:06that exercise for everyone

0:51:08he's on monkeys on my monster list now

0:51:09it's because i feel bad for the special

0:51:11editions and the prequels which had many

0:51:13people working on them and all they get

0:51:14is dumped on I want the old movies

0:51:16dumped on cap

0:51:17ok so here's what i came up with it's

0:51:19actually fairly big one but i think it

0:51:22and maybe people will be able divided on

0:51:23this but i think the the thing that

0:51:25bothers me one of the most about the

0:51:26original trilogy is the Lucani a love

0:51:29triangle

0:51:30yeah that's on my list for exactly the

0:51:32reasons I think we all like realize

0:51:34which is that George Lucas once again

0:51:36did not know what he was setting out to

0:51:37do when he started this off and so yeah

0:51:42it makes a certain amount of sense to

0:51:44have Luke you know catapult across the

0:51:46galaxy by this you know beautiful young

0:51:47woman etc but like the whole especially

0:51:50when that it goes up a notch in empire

0:51:53with the kiss like it for everybody who

0:51:57seemed like the first time I guess your

0:51:59watch that you'll be like oh that's fine

0:52:01like not knowing what's coming next but

0:52:03the million times that you really watch

0:52:05it after that it's just awkward

0:52:07every single time and it's not even that

0:52:10convincing of a love triangle because

0:52:11like honestly once that part passes

0:52:13is like II nobody's really under any

0:52:15illusions that lady is gonna end up with

0:52:17anybody other than Han Solo I feel like

0:52:18and you know it provides some tension

0:52:22towards the end but like you know that

0:52:24even that last scene where the way

0:52:26explain sohan that Lucas his brother

0:52:29like he's are like starts smiling but at

0:52:32the same time you feel like you maybe

0:52:33should be a little bit more disturbed

0:52:34about it so I don't know it struck me as

0:52:38a no and I understand you know this is a

0:52:40saga there's the romance and epic and

0:52:42you know I think it's unnecessary

0:52:45I think they could have been executed in

0:52:47a way that did not necessarily leave you

0:52:50with that awkward taste in your mouth at

0:52:51the end of the of the trilogy and so I

0:52:55also don't think it provides anything

0:52:57super interesting in terms of luke and

0:53:00Hans characters when it comes to that

0:53:02like I don't think you know it provides

0:53:04enough tension that it feels like it

0:53:07provides interesting drama

0:53:09it just sort of provides a weird

0:53:11obstacle that seems very artificial and

0:53:14you know most of all as i said like

0:53:16George Lucas they clearly didn't plan

0:53:17this one up front it feels like and so

0:53:19it makes for some very awkward awkward

0:53:22scenes and I can never stop imagining

0:53:25this like just thinking about the

0:53:27sponsor of the mind's eye book and well

0:53:29yeah Luke is like daydreaming about haha

0:53:31so it makes it so awkward so very

0:53:34awkward so I feel like you there's a

0:53:36better way to execute on some of the

0:53:38ideas that need to happen from this

0:53:40without having to get as involved in

0:53:41this really really awkward love triangle

0:53:43but it's like it I can give it a pass in

0:53:45episode 4 episode 5 they should have had

0:53:47it all figured out and they should have

0:53:49known that doesn't make sense it is on a

0:53:50blood test guys haha you have a lot of

0:53:53midi-chlorians and you're related and

0:53:55it's only briefly it's only kind of

0:53:57alluded to an empire right because it's

0:53:58just the Yoda there is another line he

0:54:00doesn't find out she's actually a sister

0:54:01until yeah but don't you think that

0:54:03helps a lot like this that I think that

0:54:04helps me a lot of it like that the the

0:54:07revelation that the kissing and the

0:54:09revelation don't happen in the same

0:54:11movie that they they have the first

0:54:12movie we got nothing

0:54:13they got the second movie where you got

0:54:15kissing and a reference but still still

0:54:17nothing and then they wait to the whole

0:54:18third movie which yes does ripple

0:54:20backward in time make you think the case

0:54:21is creepy but its way

0:54:22better dribble back in time for 93 1982

0:54:25rebel back from you know two hours into

0:54:28the movie 2 30 minutes the problem is

0:54:30obi-wan is there the whole time and

0:54:32knows all of us doesn't tell me ya guys

0:54:36come on

0:54:37agreed and well you know he's a force

0:54:39ghost but he's got places to go to I

0:54:41mean he's not there or you wouldn't like

0:54:43us don't have time for that extra sense

0:54:44go to take a bar by the way later Susan

0:54:47was just waving supermarkets like oh and

0:54:49i gotta stop off here you know you must

0:54:50go today was an ok I'm but this market

0:54:53are two could have told them once he

0:54:54knows once Luke knows he sits on that

0:54:57information while they go off on

0:54:59definition it's just like okay yeah just

0:55:02ask me about it again sometime

0:55:03oh yeah that's that's why hon finds out

0:55:06you know he's my brother his first

0:55:07question should have been ok how long

0:55:09have you had this information is known

0:55:12as the entire time I've known you or did

0:55:13you find out like three seasons ago

0:55:14because that's important as for everyone

0:55:17maybe he had a really attractive sister

0:55:19too

0:55:20we don't know boy uh hey Joe

0:55:23tell me something that's dumb in the

0:55:25original trilogy ok well i am just go

0:55:29with something probably doesn't bother a

0:55:31lot of people but at Luke's Luke's

0:55:33planned to rescue hahn at the beginning

0:55:36of Return of the Jedi doesn't make a

0:55:38tremendous amount of sense to me when I

0:55:39tried a diagram out the order of how

0:55:42these things were supposed to go

0:55:43including the part where Lando and

0:55:46Chewbacca went to Jabba's palace and

0:55:51c3po even has a line at the beginning

0:55:52like though they never returned from

0:55:54this awful place only Chewbacca is not

0:55:55there and he seemingly never was but

0:55:58Lando infiltrated it and then she

0:56:00becomes later and so now Luke is risking

0:56:03four of his friends and then lay also

0:56:07comes in and then Luke finally also

0:56:09comes in it's just like this seems

0:56:11really dangerous for a lot of reasons

0:56:13because they're there's all kinds of

0:56:15things that could have happened

0:56:16something tripped and fell and died

0:56:18you don't you know if they was it is

0:56:20really precarious formal logic

0:56:21perspective java could have just had

0:56:25enough of c-3po and and killed him like

0:56:28pretty abruptly to hit him a couple

0:56:29times but it it doesn't seem like this

0:56:33was well thought out at all it just

0:56:34seems like the kind of thing

0:56:35you would construct if you just wanted

0:56:37to like keep bumping up the detention

0:56:41for how dire the Straits were getting

0:56:44for them and guess what I do

0:56:46yeah just why there aren't very many of

0:56:48them left

0:56:49that's a really bad plan a part of the

0:56:52plot point is that Luke is overconfident

0:56:54to this point he is he is cocky as

0:56:57compared to him and his low point in

0:56:58Empire when he comes in the jedis like

0:57:00he is totally he's talking about

0:57:02everybody there that you don't know what

0:57:04I could do it you know he finds out

0:57:06pretty quickly it is in over his head he

0:57:08goes into the rancor pit and everything

0:57:09like that but I feel like that's part of

0:57:11the things that he's got this big

0:57:13elaborate plan kind of us gets rewarded

0:57:14for his bad behavior though because

0:57:16everything kind of works out yet he is a

0:57:19pretty powerful Jedi need that had

0:57:20didn't have a reasonably good planning

0:57:22and backup plans right he's got a lot of

0:57:23people a lot of skill people in motion

0:57:25here he's got his lightsaber hidden in

0:57:26r2 and he's got backup plans that you

0:57:29don't we

0:57:29he doesn't his number one plan of

0:57:31negotiating doesn't work his number to

0:57:32plan of just killing job that doesn't

0:57:34work but he's got many backups I don't

0:57:36think it was that poorly executed but i

0:57:38think it goes badly as part of the idea

0:57:40that Luke it may be as little

0:57:42overconfident now our to eventually I'm

0:57:45going to be on a diving board here's

0:57:46what I want you to do exactly just flown

0:57:50the lightsaber over to him in any point

0:57:51well yeah it's just that part strains

0:57:54credulity because it's just like was so

0:57:56he knew that he would need to go up to

0:57:58the top of the sailing barge right then

0:58:00and fire the ladies watches paying

0:58:03attention to what's got you don't do

0:58:05anything to take away from our to

0:58:07shooting lightsaber from there and him

0:58:08catching off the diving board because

0:58:09that is a pivotal moment in my childhood

0:58:11you can take that away a might tell me

0:58:13that's not cool it's cool it's cool all

0:58:16images terrible plan I hey I just you

0:58:18know when you think about it i just

0:58:19wonder who built the astromech droid

0:58:21with a lightsaber ejector attachment is

0:58:23all you can actually plan to be a job a

0:58:25swimming pool and like that was with the

0:58:27whole originally the other part you can

0:58:29also serve drinks so here's a lot of

0:58:31attachments

0:58:31all right i'll let me give you mine and

0:58:33then we'll and then we'll move on to the

0:58:35next category of mine maybe slightly

0:58:38controversial but here it is so Yoda you

0:58:40know in in Empire Strikes Back everybody

0:58:42loves Yoda day and they made a puppet

0:58:44and everybody likes Yoda it's a puppet

0:58:46character but it's pretty cool

0:58:49the vehicle

0:58:49great job and I feel like maybe they

0:58:51said this is great

0:58:53you know we should do let's have more

0:58:55puppets let's put more puppets in to

0:58:57return of the jedi and I think there are

0:59:00too many puppets and return of the jedi

0:59:02I also there's some different people in

0:59:04suits to like I think Admiral Ackbar is

0:59:07more of a guy in a suit then he is a

0:59:09puppet

0:59:10so I'm okay with it the one back bar top

0:59:13it's not even close to know he's a guy

0:59:14in a suit exact he is a piece of puppet

0:59:16is your puppet

0:59:17I thought it was more his part easily he

0:59:19is at least kind of people over sand

0:59:21puppet his head is where leaves a small

0:59:23wedding that Sonny is man's hand

0:59:25ok so it's hard to love with someone and

0:59:27someone is operating lots of parties

0:59:29react or guys okay you guys are

0:59:31deconstructing my intro so let me

0:59:33continue but the weird thing that

0:59:35happened is that the one will get there

0:59:37John but the one that gets me is uh

0:59:40Lando's copilot nyan um on the money in

0:59:45the exciting battle of endor where we've

0:59:48got a really stupid looking puppet in

0:59:50the copilot's seat of the millennium

0:59:52falcon no no no make it somebody I you

0:59:56know make it something better than a

0:59:58dumb puppet so I think

0:59:58dumb puppet so I think

1:00:00that that's that that's why would I say

1:00:01is the dumb thing from the from the

1:00:03original trilogy dumb puppet in the

1:00:05copilot's seat of the Millennium Falcon

1:00:07I just mean articulated faces like his

1:00:09little motor moving his little lip

1:00:11because i'm pretty sure that's a guy you

1:00:13know you're dressed up with the thing on

1:00:15his head

1:00:15yeah I think that's like guys more men

1:00:17than puppet both a puppeteer Andy

1:00:20costumed actor during the film

1:00:22good lord that you wouldn't give him a

1:00:23medal either which I would not give him

1:00:25a tune in next week for puppet or not

1:00:27yeah haha anyway I don't I I never like

1:00:30that character I think he looks dumb and

1:00:32I don't want him in that seat and I

1:00:34don't know why they did it

1:00:35other than that they fought hey its star

1:00:37wars we got lots of weird puppet /

1:00:39people in suits

1:00:40let's have more of those and that's fine

1:00:42but that's not a good way to someone for

1:00:43Lando to talk to and to talk back in the

1:00:46same way that she does which is you know

1:00:48indecipherable e action figures

1:00:50yeah it and there's that episode of

1:00:53venture brothers where they conjure one

1:00:55up from a trading card so you know you

1:00:57went on to have a prestigious career

1:00:59after this I don't like him

1:01:01there it is I said it wasn't around for

1:01:04an item from ancillary media something

1:01:07that's not the main line films that you

1:01:09just can't take John alright you would

1:01:13think that i'm going to pick the holiday

1:01:14special which is terrible but i'm not

1:01:17going to somebody else talk about i'm

1:01:20going to pick item from answer me that

1:01:22you just can't take i'm going to select

1:01:24the prequels because I consider a mac

1:01:26and their crap

1:01:29yea big swing and I've said we've

1:01:32already done three episodes lot about

1:01:34that maybe the key point is viewing them

1:01:37as ancillary media is that is the stance

1:01:38of most original trilogy fanatics

1:01:41alright I'll allow it because why not

1:01:44uh-buh-bye not David I'm going to take

1:01:47kind of a similar view and just say all

1:01:50of the novels i just i have i have a

1:01:53rebuttal on my turn right there's just

1:01:55not a single novel that was satisfying

1:01:58all the way through or interesting or

1:02:00sounded right it's every one of them

1:02:03just and I read too many of them I

1:02:06didn't learn even even the ones that are

1:02:09quote unquote the good ones can't stand

1:02:12them

1:02:13the the throne trilogy can't stand it

1:02:15i'm sorry it's just David get out so

1:02:20yeah the the only novel that amuses me

1:02:23at all this splinter the mind's eye but

1:02:25it's not because it's good

1:02:26did you read the any of the collection

1:02:27of short stories like tales from MOS

1:02:29eisley or tails from Jabba's palace that

1:02:32get backstories to all the people in

1:02:34there

1:02:34I did not read those but i have heard

1:02:36good things about them and they're not

1:02:38novel around on novel haha he's got you

1:02:40there huh yeah they start over every few

1:02:42pages it's helpful right it's marks

1:02:44ancillary item you can take well i'm

1:02:48going to talk about books a little bit

1:02:49more the I I like some of the novels and

1:02:52especially during the what I call the

1:02:53dark ages where you know there was no

1:02:55star wars for a very long time the

1:02:57timothy zahn novels actually I thought

1:02:59were great because it was new Star Wars

1:03:01and I was very hungry for new Star Wars

1:03:03but the problem was i started reading

1:03:06them all and I got into some that were

1:03:09just terrible and the ones that stand

1:03:11out to me as the absolute worst ever

1:03:13written about Star Wars was the Yuuzhan

1:03:15Vong novels and I don't know anybody

1:03:18here when that deep into the stack is I

1:03:20did but the third is horrible it's a

1:03:23it's like a villain from another galaxy

1:03:24it's almost it's like a bad Star Trek

1:03:28episode imposed on Star Wars and i only

1:03:31want to talk about the details of it but

1:03:32I read two or three of them and I said

1:03:34no more no more

1:03:36well I read this so if you're out there

1:03:38and you think about these on rondavels i

1:03:40would get rid of them at an enlightening

1:03:42or a happy moment is that i just looked

1:03:45it up on wikipedia and said when Star

1:03:46Wars Canon was changed Yuuzhan Vong were

1:03:48rendered non-canon so now they have been

1:03:51them removed soviet-style from Star Wars

1:03:54I should amend the Han Solo novels from

1:03:58the late seventies are not bad but the

1:04:02land o colors are novels a great really

1:04:03bad keep digging David Orlando ones are

1:04:05hilarious because they were super high

1:04:07dam ok well now we're trying to decide

1:04:10if if David basically just sniped mine i

1:04:13had a specific one in mind and I don't

1:04:15know if that I'm going to turn to the

1:04:16judge for a ruling on that one or did he

1:04:18just blanket all of those this is a

1:04:20silly round so just do what makes you

1:04:23feel good to me ok so it's likely

1:04:25david i read i read many of the novel's

1:04:28basically all the way through and i

1:04:31really like the thrawn trilogy that has

1:04:33a very special place in my teenage life

1:04:35because it was in that dark period where

1:04:37there was no more star wars and I've

1:04:38gone back and reread those several times

1:04:40I'll admit they're not the greatest in

1:04:41the world but i just i love them their

1:04:42guilty pleasures i read basically

1:04:45everything all the way up to the very

1:04:48first of this new jedi order as the

1:04:50Yuuzhan Vong storyline is called and

1:04:52typical vector prime x ra salvatore II

1:04:54was necessary everybody DNT novels and

1:04:57the most degrees i read I i made it

1:04:59probably within 50 pages of the end and

1:05:02at that point and David David probably

1:05:04knows exactly what i'm talking about

1:05:05point they kill chewy and I was so angry

1:05:11about that I literally it's at the end

1:05:13of a chapter I closed the book did not

1:05:15finish it and did not read another star

1:05:17wars book for probably a decade after

1:05:19that because i was so upset that they

1:05:22had killed Chewbacca who is one of my

1:05:24favorite characters for like she liked

1:05:26saves one of Hans kids or something and

1:05:28he's left on a planet that explodes it's

1:05:31really dumb do and so I got so angry

1:05:34about that like for a long time I just

1:05:36was not like reading star wars or even

1:05:38like I think that was planned when I

1:05:40came out late nineties i want to say or

1:05:42maybe around 2,000 so is also maybe

1:05:43around the prequels time and at that

1:05:45point I was like I'm so done with

1:05:46everything so that was like my my

1:05:49darkest part of my star wars history is

1:05:51because they kill Chewbacca in the novel

1:05:53that is why i will never read another ra

1:05:55salvatore ebook ever I've never read a

1:05:57Star Wars Expanded Universe novel at all

1:05:59and the extended universe books killing

1:06:02off to it was on my list

1:06:03yeah because i know that's the thing

1:06:05that happened I'm like wait a second you

1:06:07can't kill chewy you don't even count

1:06:09stupid extended universe books that I've

1:06:10never read and the rationale was that

1:06:12like they wanted to like raise the

1:06:14stakes and like make it seem like nobody

1:06:16is safe and like like david says these

1:06:18are terrible like Star Trek II Star Wars

1:06:21novels that really make no sense

1:06:23whatsoever and it was just a terrible

1:06:25decision on the Lucasfilm marketing

1:06:26department good news everybody he's

1:06:28alive and all that got wiped out of

1:06:31existence i was so happy about that yeah

1:06:33joe i'm going to pick the Ewok movies

1:06:38yeah I don't I I couldn't you couldn't

1:06:42even articulate the plot lines of what

1:06:43was what I've seen in them because i

1:06:45haven't gone back to watch them at all

1:06:47I have recommended a couple times that

1:06:49you guys should do that for

1:06:51uncomfortable episodes of you guys at

1:06:53the holiday special but you are not

1:06:54tonight it there they're just just

1:06:58there's kids there's kids and they have

1:07:00an adventure with Ewoks that's why i

1:07:03remember i don't like children in

1:07:07general I especially don't like child

1:07:08actors and putting them in a film with

1:07:11little furry creatures they can't really

1:07:12talk it's just a recipe for disaster

1:07:15yeah yeah they're bad they were they

1:07:17were beaten for those who don't know

1:07:18they're like a TV movie made-for-tv

1:07:20movies featuring the Ewoks I have

1:07:23memories of watching them as a kid

1:07:25well that's what that's what they were

1:07:26going for his little little kids you

1:07:29were the target I can't but I I honestly

1:07:31remember very little about it at this

1:07:33point even though I'm sure I saw each of

1:07:34those movies a couple times i can

1:07:36remember a couple of scenes here and

1:07:37there i think i've seen it multiple

1:07:39times I must've aired it multiple times

1:07:41and I'm sure everything I have a tape

1:07:43but I remember like it yeah i might have

1:07:45had it on tape to remember like you know

1:07:46being offensive to me as a kid but not

1:07:48feeling at all like star wars in any

1:07:50possible way was incredibly

1:07:52disappointing for something advertised

1:07:53as being somehow related to star wars

1:07:55and I recognized he walks like i get i

1:07:57get that connection but otherwise there

1:07:59is no star wars in there

1:08:00yeah what wicket was there you know they

1:08:02have work Davis and it's just it was a

1:08:05waste of time

1:08:06yep so narrated by burr lives of course

1:08:10you can't go wrong with / lives

1:08:13narrating your think Monty ancillary

1:08:15item this is a bit of a stretch know

1:08:17what you said this is the silly i have a

1:08:20sensible answer to it this get rejected

1:08:22but I'm going to distract use the word

1:08:24media covers a lot of different things

1:08:26there's films there's books is a food

1:08:29item action figures

1:08:31specifically you know those holes in the

1:08:33bottom of the action figures right on

1:08:35the heel that are supposed to attach

1:08:36them to the place as they stand up they

1:08:39don't work

1:08:40Ibaka is always falling down and furious

1:08:43and those holes

1:08:44I'm not

1:08:45when you're talking about they don't

1:08:47work fine it's jammed in here right on

1:08:49there you have to put a little forced

1:08:50into it

1:08:51temperature management or I never wanted

1:08:54a little bit

1:08:55those holes are awful okay yeah just

1:08:57make action figures that stand-up method

1:09:00and I were definitely on the technology

1:09:02of the nineteen eighties solid Monty i'm

1:09:04going to give you that one because

1:09:05that's that because I get to pick next

1:09:06and that means that you can take mine so

1:09:08i am going to sweep it sweep in there

1:09:11and I'm gonna say yes the star wars

1:09:12holiday special

1:09:14he has to be included here but I'm not

1:09:16gonna just pick the whole thing because

1:09:18that seems like a little too easy i'm

1:09:21gonna i'm gonna also specify the fact

1:09:24that in the Star Wars Holiday Special we

1:09:26learn that there's one key porn

1:09:29yeah yeah it's very important Jason come

1:09:32on and it's out by the way it's not porn

1:09:34for humans about wookies it's porn for

1:09:36walkies

1:09:37yeah bring humans beach around about

1:09:40human about humans

1:09:42yeah a little weird yeah you're like

1:09:46shaped cookies you think well it's

1:09:48finally finished the workers have just

1:09:51the first time low key sign a hairless

1:09:54person they're like what

1:09:56yeah anyway there you go let's move on

1:09:59to the next round and then quickly

1:10:00throughout the one thing I skipped over

1:10:02in favor of my silly choice so sure fine

1:10:04haha the ending of knights of the old

1:10:06republic to oh yeah that's awful

1:10:09religion is like they're of knights of

1:10:11the old republic is a great game makes

1:10:13the old republic to is a great game

1:10:14until you get the last four hours then

1:10:16they just ran out of time and there's no

1:10:17game their sheep

1:10:18yeah I i was going to have seriously

1:10:21considering picking that but I abandoned

1:10:24it because i figured it'd really

1:10:25influenced my opinion of the original

1:10:27star wars at all because I feel like

1:10:28it's removed enough but at it in terms

1:10:31of how it relates to the previous game

1:10:33is just awful

1:10:35absolutely let's move on to round five

1:10:37is something from the prequels that you

1:10:39wish just didn't exist

1:10:41David lure the prequels I well okay okay

1:10:46okay to make the the dialogue is just

1:10:50every all the way the dialogue

1:10:54sure I mean I mean if I had to narrow

1:10:57down to you know specific granular

1:10:59dialogue so to speak

1:11:01I hate sand sand gets in everything I

1:11:05you know I mean just every supposedly

1:11:08tom stoppard helped on revenge of the

1:11:10sith no no he didn't

1:11:12it's all horrible yeah it's all her

1:11:14everyone to be fair he was SQ is a

1:11:17gunpoint the dialogue is off the board

1:11:20David Sparkes other so much i know but

1:11:22you have to pick something up

1:11:24alright well one that's personal to me i

1:11:26really loved yoda an episode 5 and the

1:11:29CGI Yoda he looked bad i didn't like his

1:11:32dialogue either i mean a frank oz once

1:11:35described Yoda as in master who will

1:11:37also eat the last cookie right in front

1:11:39of you and I didn't get that whimsy with

1:11:42him in the prequels and I didn't like

1:11:44the way it looks solid

1:11:45dan oh man again so many options i think

1:11:49im gonna have to take charge our banks

1:11:51off the table

1:11:52okay yeah i think we can all agree with

1:11:54the prequels we better get Jar Jar Binks

1:11:56was nowhere to be found

1:11:57Tom well we would be harder you know we

1:12:00have to work slightly harder to hate

1:12:01them as much as we do so thanks to jar

1:12:03for that but otherwise it

1:12:05yeah I guess Holiday you made it easy

1:12:07Joe hayden christensen yes also unlike

1:12:10me anything this is all like low-hanging

1:12:13fruit so far yes we're all good it's all

1:12:16good and we do a whole episode about

1:12:17this but it's just it's a fun little

1:12:18walk to the prequels and individual

1:12:21items that we that we would choose Monty

1:12:23younglings both the word and the actual

1:12:26baby Jedi's we don't need CJ I preschool

1:12:30by Young's one of my youngs John

1:12:33something I've been something the

1:12:35prequels you wish didn't exist i'm going

1:12:37to go with couches because so many

1:12:39channels into the propellant couple

1:12:41second character that

1:12:42no no couches at the very least they

1:12:44would have had to stand rap space when

1:12:47talking to each other and wouldn't have

1:12:48been able to just sit there on the

1:12:49couches and say stupid they're all

1:12:51replaced with lazy boy just like having

1:12:53if they're all on pool floats just think

1:12:54about it

1:12:55yeah oh that would be a much better

1:12:58movie happy great i would love to see

1:13:00that the I hate sand seen replayed but

1:13:03it's it's a it's Anakin sitting in the

1:13:06side of a pool with his legs in the

1:13:07water and Amidala just in a pool float

1:13:09out in the middle like rolling your eyes

1:13:11i would love that

1:13:12just floating by in my dream that's

1:13:15right that's right he uses force power

1:13:18to like flow to the other way I don't

1:13:20know

1:13:21alright here's mine Madonna is kinda

1:13:24awesome in episode 1 and so the thing I

1:13:26actually wish didn't exist is how she

1:13:29gets sidelined and turned into the the

1:13:32passive girlfriend especially in episode

1:13:35what a waste of the actress and what a

1:13:38waste of the character to that we're

1:13:41street where she ends up so that's

1:13:42that's the thing that I wish they'd that

1:13:44they didn't do is sign sideline and get

1:13:46us the kind of dumb useless Amidala who

1:13:49we see later because uh good actress uh

1:13:51interesting character and they blew it

1:13:53that's the thing that bugs me it rankles

1:13:55and she's cool episode 2 in that a arena

1:13:58fight just like tonight it's different

1:14:00it's really an episode 3 where her

1:14:02character is destroyed but then you have

1:14:04all the love dialogue between the

1:14:05speaking of dialogue that's what I would

1:14:06pick their whole courtship is like just

1:14:08gag I'm we having that was on Miley yeah

1:14:11yeah yeah I got most of the blame for

1:14:13that on Hayden's line deliveries to her

1:14:16but the dialogue she's giving us also

1:14:19not forget you can excuse Jake Lloyd

1:14:20from that one either

1:14:21yeah yeah I think feel like people were

1:14:23taking hayden christensen because they

1:14:25didn't want to be mean to a kid but Jake

1:14:27Lloyd oh goodness

1:14:28yeah yeah well he was also on my list of

1:14:30somebody had already picked a Christian

1:14:31and I just I just dislike hate more

1:14:34we don't have enough time to go through

1:14:36all the things that we didn't mention

1:14:38but i'll refer you to the like nine

1:14:41hours of podcasting we did about the

1:14:43prequels if you'd like to get back into

1:14:45that and make your own list a couple

1:14:47more rounds to go

1:14:49here's another one where it's going to

1:14:51be a little hard but I want you to think

1:14:52it's been a year now what's the worst

1:14:54thing

1:14:55in retrospect in the force awakens David

1:14:59Sparkes the thing that bugs me the most

1:15:02and this is a new toner thing is at the

1:15:04end after hon dies and they returned and

1:15:08Leia standing there and chewy disembarks

1:15:12from the Falcon and Leia and Chewie have

1:15:15the super long relationship the two

1:15:17people who loved him the most and chili

1:15:20just walks right pastor and I don't know

1:15:22what it's hit that instead she's going

1:15:25to hug somebody who's relatively

1:15:27stranger in her life and you know it

1:15:28just feels to me like that moment if

1:15:31they really wanted to have the scene of

1:15:33lay embracing right that's great but

1:15:35chewy should not have been in that scene

1:15:37at all I mean watching him walk past i

1:15:38just felt like that was like with this

1:15:40guy i noticed it the first time I

1:15:42watched the movie i'm thinking how did

1:15:44this happen

1:15:44I mean how did they not you know what

1:15:46she should've done and she should have

1:15:47had like had a metal and said this is

1:15:49Hans you wanted to have to I said I'd

1:15:53rather kiss a Wookiee that's not what

1:15:55I'm like Lucas JJ admitted that was a

1:15:57mistake yeah hello yeah right you

1:15:59imagine that you said I'll we be messed

1:16:01up sorry about that

1:16:02yeah that the way they shot it was like

1:16:04oh yeah we believe that but i agree with

1:16:06you do thats that bugs me

1:16:08dan I think i'm going to pick supreme

1:16:11leader Snoke who is kind of a weird

1:16:14carry you know I realized that this

1:16:16seems a little premature because we

1:16:17haven't seen the other shoe to drop

1:16:20but I'm also not convinced that there is

1:16:21another shoe that could drop that I

1:16:23would be affectionate you know we we

1:16:26have this weird holographic creature who

1:16:28is done by andy serkis and who's

1:16:31supposed to is very clearly the sort of

1:16:32our Emperor analogy and I just at he

1:16:36seems weird it seems weird that there's

1:16:38this guy there that nobody knows about

1:16:39or that I guess they do know about them

1:16:41but they can't have

1:16:42I just don't understand I don't

1:16:44understand it seems one of the you know

1:16:46people accuse the force awakens of Ewing

1:16:48too closely to the original star wars

1:16:50and I feel like this is one place where

1:16:52it is right now it seems like that's a

1:16:56weird decision that is just clearly

1:16:58intended to set up a villain who is

1:17:00worse than kylo Ren

1:17:01III just don't there's no wait there

1:17:03because we have no idea who this person

1:17:05is the way Clinton cg need someone in

1:17:09charge though because it without them

1:17:10you just got a young color red who is

1:17:12kind of a mess and you've got young

1:17:13shouting harry potter guy who's also

1:17:16seems too young to be in charge so you

1:17:18need someone who's in charge doesn't

1:17:19have to be out doesn't have to be a

1:17:20holographic Emperor know but it has to

1:17:22be a no yeah that's my point yeah I'm

1:17:24okay with it also the name is dumb and

1:17:27this isn't a franchise with a lot of

1:17:29dumb knee

1:17:29alright Joe what do you think

1:17:34well dance night to my Snoke so are you

1:17:38okay i suck your snow per ship if you're

1:17:41gonna go with my my my backup option and

1:17:44that is I really hate seeing the planet

1:17:49explode from another planet yeah IM

1:17:52system and it makes me angry nose on my

1:17:54list

1:17:54well done i was almost too i'm kind of

1:17:57stretching the use of in retrospect

1:17:59because I was furious when I was

1:18:00watching yeah and those things are

1:18:02taking place within moments after you

1:18:04saw that you didn't like yeah you know

1:18:06it you know the thing that bothers me is

1:18:08that this really bugs the hell out of me

1:18:09in in Star Trek yep and and then JJ and

1:18:14did it again where it's like JJ you

1:18:16can't see and it's in other solar

1:18:18systems from the surface of a planet

1:18:20space advisor what that all explode at

1:18:24the same time with your magical

1:18:25hyperspace weapon firing and splitting

1:18:28and blowing up everything so you can you

1:18:30can even see the way that it's working

1:18:32from the the surface of another planet

1:18:34through actually shoots viewscreens into

1:18:37the atmosphere of a bunch of other

1:18:38planets so that you can see it Monty uh

1:18:41well I've only seen force awakens once

1:18:43but as i remember they spend a lot of

1:18:45time worrying about putting together a

1:18:47map of the galaxy not like a map of an

1:18:50island or something and I don't see why

1:18:53they needed all the other parts when

1:18:55r2d2's part is the only part that

1:18:57actually has where Luke is

1:18:58luckily r2 is just sleeping until it's

1:19:02time for the movie to be over and then

1:19:04he wakes up and says oh here you go

1:19:06he's over there they even say at some

1:19:07point like he probably doesn't have it

1:19:09which is hilarious

1:19:11I would like our tues awakening to be a

1:19:14little more justified in that I think he

1:19:17just wakes up because BBA just hanging

1:19:18out with him a lot

1:19:19yeah I have some complex headcam in here

1:19:21but it's entirely made up because you're

1:19:23right the movie doesn't support it

1:19:25yeah i'm motivated yep John you just

1:19:28stole my are two missing that piece one

1:19:30because i think that was just-- needless

1:19:32so i'm going to go with my second which

1:19:34is much weaker but i think it's along

1:19:36the same vein as the snow pic maz

1:19:39kanata's castle place thing obviously an

1:19:42echo of the cantina but I don't think it

1:19:45has it doesn't have any residency there

1:19:48like with the original it's luke coming

1:19:52into basically the big cities a farm boy

1:19:54comes into the big city he's not

1:19:55prepared for the cantina at all the

1:19:58aliens in the rough characters are going

1:19:59to meet there and all that business

1:20:00right he's he's out of his element when

1:20:03they come to Mom's place Hans like oh

1:20:06you know don't look at any of this stuff

1:20:07like he gives the same speech like okay

1:20:08you guys probably aren't ready for this

1:20:09but if you like crazy aliens in there

1:20:11but they are ready for it

1:20:13I mean great comes from towns got crazy

1:20:15aliens running around all the time Janet

1:20:16Reno's other languages she's may not not

1:20:18that the whole town that she's that is a

1:20:19big hug but it's not a big thing to her

1:20:21and the other thing has been trained as

1:20:24a storm trooper and presently has been

1:20:25around the galaxy so you mislike yes

1:20:28shot a lot of people look like that

1:20:29yeah this is that there's a fun gallery

1:20:31of lots of fun aliens and it's

1:20:32interesting setting but as an echo of

1:20:34the cantina I feel like it it falls

1:20:36flattens mostly there because JJ wanted

1:20:38to have a cantina scene so now he does

1:20:40it doesn't take away from the movie but

1:20:41doesn't really do anything for me they

1:20:43don't think David Dan and John kinda

1:20:45foreshadowed me a little bit in in

1:20:49general I would say Jays mystery box

1:20:51when it comes to any of JJ Abrams films

1:20:54he only has one box it's the same box

1:20:57please go buy some more boxes JJ but

1:21:00specifically in this it's it's it's not

1:21:03that it's the echoes of everything I I

1:21:06get the idea of having repeating cycles

1:21:11and echoes and that's fine it's that the

1:21:14echoes don't do anything interesting

1:21:16with that cycle right it its it's pretty

1:21:21much following the same template and you

1:21:23know just like

1:21:24going to mazza's and being you know a BB

1:21:27prepared and you know it's going to be

1:21:28crazy in there and then it's not crazy

1:21:31in there and they're ready for it but

1:21:34there's no real payoff to that either

1:21:35its it all these little echoes that

1:21:38don't do anything except echo that's

1:21:41like I want a twist i want you know if

1:21:44if your movie is a Rubik's Cube try and

1:21:47solve it solve it in a different way

1:21:49turn multiple ways to solve it you know

1:21:52just don't do it exactly the same way

1:21:54alright I for mine i'm going to say

1:21:57something that is very similar to the

1:21:59direction that David was pointing I feel

1:22:00like we've been moving in a direction

1:22:01here which is quite simply I don't think

1:22:06that we needed another Death Star

1:22:10mhm and Starkiller base ultimately is

1:22:13just another Death Star except it's

1:22:15garbage into a planet instead of built

1:22:17and I appreciate the echoes again of of

1:22:22the past movies but if you pretend of

1:22:25prequels don't exist that's three out of

1:22:27five movement or three or four movie

1:22:30sorry three out of four movies that uh

1:22:32have a giant planet killing weapon ball

1:22:36yeah and it's just it no I mean I I feel

1:22:40like they could have had a dangerous

1:22:41space weapon or some other thing on a

1:22:44planet that was not literally

1:22:46what if the Death Star wasn't a planet

1:22:48instead of a space station and it bugs

1:22:51me

1:22:52not as much as jetstar were one of us

1:22:55yeah I just what if any medicine but if

1:22:58penny meadow start honestly jose pic was

1:23:01the one that really was at the top of my

1:23:02list but next up with Starkiller base i

1:23:04just i i i there's some nice stuff that

1:23:07happens on that's you know on Starkiller

1:23:10base plan as a retread of the Death Star

1:23:13I felt like it was too too much and it

1:23:15wasn't necessary i think this is an echo

1:23:17that actually does have a twist on it

1:23:20because they you know when we know the

1:23:23whole han solo scene is going on there

1:23:25so that's our mean that's what we really

1:23:26care about right but during that there's

1:23:28the little Maj the trench run which is

1:23:30you know at risk is darker whatever in

1:23:32the shooting and they blow it up

1:23:33they're all flying away from it in that

1:23:35shot but it's not celebratory it is the

1:23:39opposite of the way we blow up the Death

1:23:41Star from Star Wars right is because

1:23:44what we just saw happened even the music

1:23:46cues you to end it i love how they have

1:23:47like the thing glowing really bright

1:23:49that overwhelms the silhouettes of the

1:23:51ships in front of it it is not a

1:23:53celebration of a great victory it is an

1:23:55acknowledgement of the loss we just

1:23:56experienced inside we've defeated this

1:23:58thing but it's still a pretty common

1:24:02I I'm I you know I I don't think you

1:24:04need to have a giant desktop around like

1:24:05they're going to include it they're

1:24:06gonna do a giant you know planet killing

1:24:08ball

1:24:09I like the fact that he didn't blow up

1:24:10and we all cheer at the end because that

1:24:12right with no metal you know metals

1:24:14given out here and and that that is

1:24:16absolutely right that is the one thing

1:24:17that if that had been several planet

1:24:19killing balls earlier would have been a

1:24:21great you know you know green he doesn't

1:24:24have a planet coming ball in it so

1:24:26there's that sorry you guys are not

1:24:27gonna like the galaxy exploding ball

1:24:29that David you place a lien balls is not

1:24:32a measure of time it's a measure of

1:24:33distance okay that well it's really

1:24:37amazing weight is what it is all right

1:24:39let's move on to our final round where

1:24:41we're gonna we've been negative if it's

1:24:43true we have been but you know what

1:24:45we're gonna get positive here with this

1:24:47last round which is I would like each of

1:24:50you to provide me with a bad thing in

1:24:53star wars that could be made good via a

1:24:57new Star Wars story anthology movie like

1:25:01rogue one or the han solo movie that's

1:25:03coming in a couple years something that

1:25:06you could improve by making a movie

1:25:09focused on it and for this last round

1:25:13guess what i'm going to go first no I

1:25:16know breaking president we're gonna make

1:25:18a star wars a standalone movie or Jason

1:25:20doesn't go first

1:25:21as was foretold actually buy

1:25:25surprisingly by a pic earlier in the

1:25:27draft

1:25:28I'm going to say it I want a movie that

1:25:31retcons the death by sadness of POD may

1:25:36and shows us the life that she leads

1:25:39after the kids are born

1:25:41we're late baby Leia actually knows her

1:25:44little bit but she's very young and what

1:25:47her maybe she's in hiding on Alderaan or

1:25:50something like that show me that get

1:25:52natalie portman back and we do a little

1:25:55movie about Padre and a secret mission

1:25:57that she has to do and it's the real

1:25:59story about what happened to Luke and

1:26:01Leia's mother because it was all vacate

1:26:05was a setup fee they have faked her

1:26:07death they are ya because they need our

1:26:09theater director she's dead right so

1:26:11that is my daughter into and put on two

1:26:13different planets

1:26:14so that's my that's my theory Padma I

1:26:17thought you were gonna pick a movie that

1:26:19makes me and um actually be sucked me in

1:26:22the early years of me and um sure yeah

1:26:24Dan whatever what's a bad thing and star

1:26:26wars that could be made good by a new

1:26:28star wars in college movie not enough

1:26:30Lando yep and so well i'll spend a

1:26:34little bit because I think that's the

1:26:35the Cleve answer but the longer answer

1:26:36is you know certainly up until episode 7

1:26:39and even there to a certain extent

1:26:41diversity not one of Star Wars strong

1:26:43points

1:26:44I feel like it's great that we've got a

1:26:46movie coming out in written form robot

1:26:48with a female lead

1:26:49that's fantastic but i think it would

1:26:51definitely be great to see a more

1:26:53diverse star wars universe in terms of

1:26:56you know it's developing characters with

1:26:59more people of color and women and every

1:27:02just across the gamut

1:27:04I think we really need a a star wars

1:27:07some more Star Wars stuff that focuses

1:27:09on you know sort of a broader range and

1:27:13and diversity of people

1:27:15Lando obviously one of my one of my

1:27:17favorite characters and so i really look

1:27:18forward to seeing him appear in the

1:27:20hustle movie but like gosh darn it

1:27:21wasn't landed deserve his own movie

1:27:23that's what I'm saying I just wait

1:27:24Donald Glover stuff too i know i feel

1:27:26like that's right that's rich right

1:27:28there so like we we gotta we gotta spin

1:27:29that off from the Han Solo he's gonna be

1:27:31great i have no worries about that Joe

1:27:34I have kind of a weird broad thing and

1:27:36that i would I really like the droids

1:27:38and star wars but i always have found it

1:27:41strange that there seems to be zero

1:27:43interest in the exploring how sentient

1:27:48or subservient or what level of freedom

1:27:52the droids really have

1:27:54so I kind of want to see something that

1:27:57pursues something more we're ia the

1:28:01droid maybe c-3po maybe your to do to

1:28:04maybe someone we don't know yet

1:28:07and in just kind of puts it out there

1:28:09that maybe they can make some choices

1:28:12that aren't necessarily tied to the

1:28:15wishes of the main cast of humans in a

1:28:19movie so that would be something I would

1:28:21like they should do it is a saturday

1:28:22morning cartoon series know what I was

1:28:24gonna be a one-off Lord world

1:28:27Monty Jedi fighting styles are kind of

1:28:31all over the map in the movies you have

1:28:33them kind of kendo inspired in 1977

1:28:36because they're allocated star David

1:28:38Prowse were super flippy but then later

1:28:42you get episode one where everybody is

1:28:43our is doing ray park flips and then you

1:28:46get 2 episode 3 where everybody is CGI

1:28:48in doing triple backflips

1:28:50so what I'd like is a movie that

1:28:53explains all Jedi fighting shows

1:28:56different styles than we've seen and

1:28:58comes to some sort of justification for

1:29:00why really this kendo fighting is the

1:29:04most advanced version and it's all that

1:29:07flipping around that obi-wan was doing

1:29:10in his youth

1:29:11that's because he wasn't a master like

1:29:13he is now and the advantage of doing

1:29:14this is a movie you it would be like

1:29:17eighty percent dead i fighting

1:29:1920-percent history lecture which I'm

1:29:22totally on board more

1:29:24alright that's a high history lecture

1:29:27percentage for a popular movie asset

1:29:29instead popular it's a star wars on

1:29:31occasion by it's a criterion collection

1:29:32of Star Wars I can't wait to see how the

1:29:34drunken master technique that is exactly

1:29:37but let's see some weird fighting styles

1:29:40of martial arts movie i love it

1:29:42yeah I think we're gonna get some of

1:29:44that road 1 John so i read i guess i

1:29:48can't say that i just want to reboot the

1:29:49entire prequels and and do a do-over on

1:29:51that because that wouldn't be going if

1:29:54they wouldn't be an anthology movie so

1:29:55Palpatine is one of the best things in

1:29:58the prequels it's a good actor and he

1:30:00and generally you know delivered his

1:30:02lines well and everything but because

1:30:04you know but he still that's that's so

1:30:06weak point of the entire

1:30:07the reason is kind of annoying to have a

1:30:08secret identity drawing on everything

1:30:10but to redeem that character which is

1:30:12Palpatine from the prequels not

1:30:14Palpatine the original trilogy i would

1:30:16like a young Palpatine story it sorry

1:30:18the story of his ascension to be to the

1:30:20the head of the secret city auditor it

1:30:23doesn't have to be the darth plagueis

1:30:25thing like we don't know for certain as

1:30:27of the the prequels but he's talking

1:30:29about himself although he probably is so

1:30:30you can make up any story you want for

1:30:32young Palpatine discovering the forest

1:30:35and discovering that he kind of wants to

1:30:37rule the dark side of it so little young

1:30:39Palpatine says are you an angel to

1:30:42general are you at Temple exactly

1:30:46opposite SII picture it being basically

1:30:48season three of the wire and Tommy

1:30:49Carcetti is your delta t he also

1:30:52constructed a droid artoo-detoo that's

1:30:57ok wipes wipes his memory it's fine no

1:30:59no no

1:31:02Oh David well you know I i kinda want to

1:31:06know more about these characters just

1:31:07because they made such an impression on

1:31:09me at such a young age and and I revisit

1:31:13this every couple years I i watch it

1:31:16again and I just I want to know more

1:31:18about them i want to know how they ended

1:31:19up in this place I want to know if they

1:31:21know each other and and if they may be

1:31:23end up together

1:31:24I want a prequel movie about Art Carney

1:31:26and be Arthur from the Highlands knew

1:31:29David was gonna bring everything through

1:31:33how do they know each other but you

1:31:35would improve it

1:31:36what is the relationship with Diahann

1:31:38Carroll in the wiki porn he can't you

1:31:41can't make it worse just to a gritty

1:31:43life day reboot

1:31:45blood everywhere like it sounds like

1:31:47that's got out there is a lot of tragedy

1:31:49that happened on life day David Sparkes

1:31:51you get to you get to closes down here

1:31:53what's up what's up what's a anthology

1:31:55movie you want to see a bit of a stretch

1:31:57but one of my problems with the prequels

1:31:59is the way they take baby Luke you know

1:32:02they want to hide him so they take him

1:32:04to Anakin stepbrother the house he grew

1:32:06up in and leave you know I don't forget

1:32:10as thinking man there's a lot of other

1:32:12places i would have started but either

1:32:14way so you've got yo you gotta only one

1:32:17of my favorite characters in the wild

1:32:18here to look out after this kid and and

1:32:21somehow Luke makes it to be teenager

1:32:23without having you know the world

1:32:25tumbling on him

1:32:26I bet there would be some great stories

1:32:28about how I'll be one in the background

1:32:32was protecting him and looking out for

1:32:33him and I think that would be an

1:32:35excellent movie almost like like a

1:32:37Western maybe but then adjust obi-wan

1:32:40alone out there in his little hovel

1:32:42looking over this kid you just pitched

1:32:44the escort mission the movie I think you

1:32:46and McGregor has pitched this movie is

1:32:48something so yeah I heard that he was

1:32:50interested and he'd be the right age to

1:32:51do it now so hopefully they'll make that

1:32:53one

1:32:54alright we've reached the end we have we

1:32:56have uh I don't know gotten some of our

1:32:58feelings out about things that are not

1:33:00so great in Star Wars movie showed a

1:33:01little optimism and of course there's a

1:33:03new star wars movie coming soon and and

1:33:08relentlessly everyone every year forever

1:33:11so more to talk about about star wars

1:33:13are like to thank my panelists for being

1:33:15here for this episode

1:33:17dan more'n thank you very much may the

1:33:19force be with you Jason's thank you

1:33:21the force will be with you always Joe

1:33:23steel thank you have no yub indeed never

1:33:27forget

1:33:28yup nub Monty Ashley did I mention one

1:33:32quarter portion because that's also kind

1:33:34of weird

1:33:34alright just make that the portion size

1:33:36portion control yeah but what do you got

1:33:41against fractions just weird

1:33:43John siracusa thank you can't wait to

1:33:45find out if they get those Death Star

1:33:46plans

1:33:47mmm i hope so boy wouldn't wouldn't be

1:33:51something to lure thank you Joe sniped

1:33:53my ending so I'm just going to say

1:33:55latini

1:33:56David Sparkes thank you thank you i have

1:34:02problems because i love it all so much

1:34:05yeah I know but you know you gotta we

1:34:07can't we we care we we we love because

1:34:11we care we care because we love about on

1:34:12something like that i'm working on the

1:34:14kid because we care it's literally ago

1:34:16we care because we're nerds like that

1:34:18and thanks to everybody out there for

1:34:19listening to this edition of the

1:34:21uncomfortable we will see you next week

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