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00:00:28 ◼   ► the incomparable number 233 februari [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Jason Snell and I'm convening a special [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► edition of our comic book club i guess [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► i'm joined by comic book club stalwarts [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► Lisa Schmeisser Monty ashley and Andy an [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► odd co we're not actually talking about [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► a particular work in this in this [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► episode work we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► about comic book continuity and [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► storytelling and business decisions made [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► by large publishing conglomerates [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► regarding their intellectual property [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► which actually i think is a really [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► interesting topic where you know I a few [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► weeks ago Marvel Comics announced that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► they were going to be doing a kind of [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► capping off a story arc from their [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► Avengers comics and doing something new [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► that was going to lead to a new status [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► quo and they were going to do another [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► secret wars miniseries and oh and you [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► know and it seems like shut down the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe and maybe do a soft [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► reboot of the existing marvel universe [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► and of course a couple years ago DC [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Comics did the same thing with something [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► called the new 52 after their flashpoint [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► miniseries and actually as we record [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► this the today DC Comics announced that [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► they're doing another kind of thing that [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► is not the new 52 but it's like the old [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► 25-22 or something like that [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► these are big companies obviously [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► Marvel's owned by disney and DC Comics [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► is owned by Warner but i just i think [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► it's interesting because we've got comic [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► storytelling and then we've got [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► corporate intellectual property and then [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► we've got kind of like marketing and [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► stunts that are used to sell comics and [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► i wanted to i want to talk about it i [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► wanted to start by just saying i am [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► actually a big fan of ultimate [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► spider-man so i guess since nothing else [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► has ever been successful in the ultimate [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► efforts that makes me a fan of The [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe and and I like the old [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► ultimate with Peter Parker and then they [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► killed him and brought back there [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► created Miles Morales is actually a fun [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► alternate spider-man and so from that [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► perspective it's a kind of a milestone [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► for me what Marvel's doing because it [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► seems like they're finally sort of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► saying yeah we don't need that anymore [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it's also true that a lot of the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► influence of the ultimate [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► universes already been felt the marvel [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► cinematic universe is very ultimate spot [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► in Ultimate Universe and the mainstream [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► Marvel Universe has maybe in like how [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► did we not mentioned curious black he's [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► black now so they've done all of these [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► things to kind of adopt that so on that [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► level i'm i'm sort of sad that that this [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► interesting experiment is coming to an [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► end i also am i I've got a lot of [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► trepidation about the idea that they are [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► revisiting the secret wars because i was [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► a I was a comic book reader when the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► original secret wars happened and it was [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► kind of from a storytelling standpoint I [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► mean yeah spider-man got a cool new [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► costume and all it was kind of a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► disaster [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► it was like I feel like it was one of [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► the original comic book event disasters [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► and so to see them replaying it you're [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► talking about the series that got me [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► into comics because you're here is and I [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► know that it was inspired to sell it to [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the celebrate new toy line synergy it [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► was we can sell comics and and toys that [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► level synergy football for that but you [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► had you had one event that said we're [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► gonna sample elements of everything that [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► we publish and put these characters all [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► together into one storyline that last [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► for exactly 12 issues that will tell a [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► complete story from the beginning middle [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► and end and has all these really cool [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► moments in the middle of it i will tell [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► you exactly the page that became that [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► turn me into like a fan of comics and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► that's where dr. doom has stolen the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► power of Galactus this good this cosmic [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► character that destroys planets so that [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► he can fight another entity that is the [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► entire the embodiment of an entire [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► universe because he is dr. do when he [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► figures well I bet I can steal his power [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► to and he fails in about a microsecond [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► not just failing but he is just being [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► torn apart molecule by molecule in this [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► amazing page being drawn by Mike sec in [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► which you see this this guy you've been [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► following for about eight issues nine [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► inches so far the real master plotter [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► and schemer of just this guy with a [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► nobility and ability to execute a plan [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► and this one page that I remember the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► dialogue is being it's possible that now [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that i'm being torn apart molecule by [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► molecule by force i can barely copy [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► and much less fight against this might [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► not have been a good plan next panel [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► wait a minute [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the fact that i came up with this plan [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► meant that it has to be a good plan i'm [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► gonna stick with this let's talk to do [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► and and i'm looking into what happens [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► the rest of the issue but that's what I [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► i want to know more about this guy [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► I i know that I'd seen copies of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► Fantastic Four before that little lately [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► Kirby issues and like later leaker be [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► issues [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► none of them really got me to really [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► find out what is more than about this [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► guy that said in a way that's totally [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► not arrogant it's just that you look [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► mean I have such confidence in my plans [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► of what I did that even though that now [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► I'm literally being dissected by this [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► universe that is trying to figure out [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► what it is that makes me so crazy [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► that's just what maybe into a fence it [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► had its desired effect on you which is [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► it provided you with a sort of a sampler [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► of what they had and that was n [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► attracted you to try it and it got you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► into it right is this is this is less a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► diatribe like defending secret wars as [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► an explanation that every series that [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► somebody absolutely hates might be that [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► series that not only just somebody like [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► but got somebody to flip them from not [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► being a fan of comments to somebody who [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► would you be coming to the complex shop [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► every single week Jim shooter not really [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► great with dialogue you mean value of [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► art is kind of subjective and highly [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► personal it's not absolutely positive [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► once that this podcast is over having [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► said that secret war two was awful that [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► was really atrocious yeah but I like [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► secret war because you had no masses of [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► villains and heroes fighting and it's [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► very straightforward you know my [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► pharmacy roars I mean Jim shooter not a [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► really great writer of least great [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► dialogue guy I'm it although he was the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► editor-in-chief Marvel during the time [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► when i was reading all the Marvel Comics [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► part of my problem with it is that i [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► read contest of Champions which was a [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► three or four issue miniseries a couple [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► years before which was the whole idea [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► was what if we had a big tournament with [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► all the heroes and villains and they [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► fought each other and it was kind of a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► really cool mini series although if you [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► read it carefully you realize that the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► writer got confused about the score and [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► although was a victory for one side over [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the other if you actually pay attention [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► to the issues it was a tie [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► oops uh um some of the real problems but [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► the problem I [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and i think is a reader when Secret Wars [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► came around is that I felt like you guys [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► already do this story and they just did [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► it again but it wasn't it was it was in [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► many ways this incredibly influential [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► comic event and around the same time DC [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► did crisis on Infinite Earths which was [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► you know I was always a Marvel guy but I [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► always felt like the the crisis was [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► about continuity in a way that secret [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► wars wasn't and that was the value I I [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► think advantage of secret wars was that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► it was literally the alright we know [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► what you want you want to see everybody [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► fight everybody else will do that again [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► we can do that for you like but then of [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► course secret war to the beyond her who [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► was the embodiment of this other [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► universe came to earth and just wandered [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► around through every single every single [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► comic every comic they had that was [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► percent with exciting adventures like [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► spider-man teaching him how to pee yeah [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► yeah he didn't understand that was body [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► yeah yeah i just read i just read one of [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► the secret wars two crossovers with the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► x-men there was a very similar sort of [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► thing it's like months of plot line must [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► be put on hold so that we have a little [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► quirky tail with the beyond ER we have [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► to sell the copies but thank God that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► Marvel doesn't do that these days to [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► know they don't every single crossover [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► is completely organic to the smarter [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► story are gonna tell ya but although i [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► was actually what was I just was I just [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► reading i was just reading something i [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► can't remember what Marvel event was and [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► I was actually i am reading the spider [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► vs event and although there are side [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► stories the bulk of that event is being [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► told inside amazing spider-man and I [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► don't feel the need for me I don't feel [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the need to read the other titles they [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► feel like supplemental material and then [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► I I I very much feel like if i read [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► these eight inches of amazing spider-man [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► i'm going to get the story [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► whereas a lot of these events is very [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► much like a continued next week in [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► ant-man number 33 feel like I'm not [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► going to read and man number 33 what are [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► you talking about when you start who do [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► I know who buys these books long time I [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► had went well three powerpack get the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► whole story now [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► feel like house of them comes up a lot [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► on comic book club at this but that was [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► one of the things that really ticked me [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► off when I was following it as they had [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► a million times 220 you have to see how [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► Captain America affair and House of M [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► spoiler not well they had all of these [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► different like one shots or all [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► histories or what have you and I i [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► finally went through and tighten up the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► amount of money i had spent just just to [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► get something that was merely background [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► to one of the most epic and yet Daffy [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► things that universities ever done [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► Behrman I love house of them i love [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► making fun of it it's a complicated [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► relationship but and after that I [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► thought you know what I'm not ever doing [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► this again where I have to buy all these [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► different issues across all of these [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► different titles it doesn't suck me I [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► didn't become a captain america reader [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► after that just because I i saw one [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► issue of Steve Rogers looking sad in the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► House of M universe or whatever every [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► comic book fan has that moment where [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► they say I'm not doing this again that [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► was by the way incomparable number 140 [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► we talked about house of them you can [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► you look at one out for me with the [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► Avengers disassembled it was the major [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► event that led into house of them and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that was the one that was I think [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► definitively broke me of trying to [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► follow Marvel series events because i [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► remember they ok so I i'm used to [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► everything was written by Bendis wasn't [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► it but so I i'm used to like been to [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► style plotting where there's gonna be a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► lot of lurching forward and then this [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► basically idling for a while then [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► lurching forward and I know that's [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► that's his style that's the sort of [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► sticking with a stick with its ok I'm [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► what I'm like watching the clock like [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► kinda like when you're watching a movie [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► and you realize that oh gee there's the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► right that I've got this this movie's [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► been going on for like 93 minutes and a [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► lot is going to have to happen in the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► next 10 minutes but ok let's see what [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► I'm I'm really aware of that as this is [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► going on cg he really only has an issue [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and a half to close a lot of storylines [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► and I bet this is gonna be incredible [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and then when I got to the last issue [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► and it's like something or I'm dr. [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► strange you haven't seen before this [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► entire series [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► let me explain exactly what has happened [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► and now I'll just take off with her you [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► won't find out what happened [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► oh really [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► how much money I spend on this to get [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► that and it's it just feels it the it [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► might I really fun everyone when I [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► really figured out about all these my [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► relation to all these mega series from [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► Marvel is that it really is like that [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► scene in a day at the races where [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► Groucho is gonna is buying a horse tip [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► from from from chico but the the tip a [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► dollar for is just like the name of the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► horse in code without chicken will solve [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► the codebook to get to decode it decodes [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► and it's actually a jockey will [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► celebrate your sky that gives that finds [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► out that rock is another dollar as like [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you just give me one unit of story that [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► doesn't involve me having to go [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► elsewhere to find out like what the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► resolution to this is or find out why [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► was Peter Parker upset in this scene and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► what if they are having a fight in this [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► panel can I mean I'm talking about like [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► an a disagreement that's that defines [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► character might not like about will not [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► come Sokka battle like what I just again [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► 12 issues gimme gimme a beginning middle [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► and that's on all side episode 21 of the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► uncomfortable as well where we talked [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► about special events and said many of [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► the complaint about many he's hesitating [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► matter Jason the pain is still better [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► really this is an opportunity for for [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► comics fans to to get social and [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► interact with their friends in real time [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► though because just as I have the same [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► the deeply held theory that we should [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► have comics comics readers should do [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► what what lots of middle-aged ladies who [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like wine do and have book clubs you [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► know I'm I seriously think she drink [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► heavily and read comics and talk about [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► them i feel like this is something more [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► comic fans should do because i mentioned [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► comic book clubs a couple people who [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► read comics like that's a great idea and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► ice there's nothing stopping you from [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► doing this with your friend like a [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► support group you think you're saying [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► maybe 10 or injury [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► it's a drinking Club with a book problem [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► but the other thing again i firmly [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► believe that what you have to do is you [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► have to get together like a group of [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► three or four friends and when there are [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► these mega events you split the burden [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► and what if he was like yeah I will take [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► one for the team and by the floor and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► another one of you says okay fine [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► three-part daredevil whatever and you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► all and everybody takes turns buying the [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► issues and then you pull them all [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► together and you read them [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► this is a great opportunity for you to [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► increase your real-world social [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► connection [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► doesn't interact with people and you're [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► not just spending a lot of money than [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► being angry on the internet you can be [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► angry in somebody's house was drinking [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► wine it smell like me the wine makes you [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► less angry what this is one that's it [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► you may not be drinking enough of it [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► no I'm not trust me I've done [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► experiments it took time to take a brief [TS]

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00:15:31 ◼   ► start here go anywhere so so events ok [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► events are problematic so I let's throw [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► in the event as continuity altar because [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► like I said DC has led the way here DC [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► with all of its various crises and then [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the flashpoint thing to has used events [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► as ways to actually deal with parallel [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► universes and imaginary whatever [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► zend and continuity which is something [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that Marvel hasn't done although it [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► sounds to me like this is where they've [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► been leading for several years with [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► jonathan jonathan hickman's run in [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► adventures in New Avengers which I don't [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► know if any of you have read it I've [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► read a lot of it on Marvel unlimited so [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► I'm that means I'm like a month behind [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► but I actually think it's kind of good [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► at it but it's sort of a pre-event it's [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► like I think I think a lot of what we've [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► seen Marvel do in the last couple of [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► years has been with the knowledge of its [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► creative team that they're about to hit [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► a reset button and and Hickman story is [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the driver and as a science fiction [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► story within Avengers I think it's [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► actually kind of interesting and fun but [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► you do have that ripoff feeling two of [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► the this idea that the reason that some [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► of the storytelling has been happening [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► is because they realize they've got a [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► get-out-of-jail-free card coming in a [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► couple of years and have you seen what [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► they're doing after this they announced [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► a force today [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► oh I have a doctor about that i think [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► and force yeah and we should talk about [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► that i think a force is during this [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► they're announcing a lot of things that [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► are happening during the secret wars era [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► presumably it gets resolved when they're [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► all unlike battleworld and continuities [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► all confused and they're different [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► worlds from different parts of time and [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► space and in there they've announced it [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► is a force which is an all-woman [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► Avengers team that's being written by [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► willow Wilson who does miss marvel and i [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► forget the name of the other writer but [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that's it's kinda and dazzlers in it [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► which excites me because i have all [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► issues of the eighties dazzle comments [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► your me big Allyson Blair fan here sorry [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► is not aligned with Cheney found that [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► would just be interested in [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► understanding and defensive line with [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► child of the 80s you know if you make [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► you make him loud enough noise Allison [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► blaring fire lasers out of her hands [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► I'm going to make a wall and she's a [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► rock star so she's usually around loud [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► noise is what I'm saying she used to be [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► the roadie for Lila Cheney and the only [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► reason i bring that up is because i'm [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► rereading my original run of New Mutants [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► and I've just going to the really boring [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► if she were saying Guthrie can't believe [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► he's dating a rock star but the a force [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► that has been feel similar to the the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► female Thor announcement well there's [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► also don't forget the x-men team up that [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► they've got going [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► onto where they've got that all female [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► x.x men with Betsy Braddock and the [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► vampire g believe hurts me to say that [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► in storm one fascinated by the costumes [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► on the a force image that they put out [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► because it's from as they had kind of [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► implied for secret wars it's from all [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► over continuity yeah she hulk appears to [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► be wearing her fantastic four outfit [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► yeah that's clearly the Jean Grey [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Phoenix which is right in my commonweal [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► house while room we have also spider [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► went in the background there [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► yeah I do like that they've got a new [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► commander oh so the book from runaways [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► yes that's why I'm excited about is I [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► think they've done a real i think one of [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► the things Marvel has done right in the [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► past decade is the integrated Runaways [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► into the wider marvel universe in a [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► really elegant naturalistic way and it's [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► plausible [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► they have this new character singularity [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► who's like be living embodiment of it of [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► a universe or something like that who's [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► the one who's just a silhouette with [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► stars sounds like Captain universe to me [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► but sounds like century to me you've [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► also got the Monica Rambeau Captain [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► Marvel all the way in the background [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► there or along with carol danvers count [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► and I think nineteen nineties rogue if [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► I'm looking at that hearing is that [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► Natasha Romanoff way in the back there [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► maybe although who it's hard to tell it [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► could also be she's got the pistols and [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► marriage license from an alternate [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► reality where she's a spy for all [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► shipping ends the multiverses are all [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► collapsing as i understand it sits there [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► match them all together and since only [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► one ultimate ultimate haha only one [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► final one can exist or there basically [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► going to mix and match this is it's [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► brilliant [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► I love what they're doing because this [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► is going to be how Marvel manages to get [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► a whole bunch of fan favorite characters [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► into the movies here here's the other [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► way you could tell the stories like this [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► is just let people tell the stories they [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► want to tell ya [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► instead of having to build an event and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► talk about imaginary universes colliding [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► to get interesting versions of [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► characters get it you could just tell [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► stories with interesting set of [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► characters and not worry about [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► continuity why is it having to tell [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► having to do an event events are fun [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► masonry since we've already talked about [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► how they're financially about fraudulent [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► and people are are irritated by the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► inclusion by the disruption of perfectly [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► normal plot lines for stuff that makes [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► no sense for three issues [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► is that but again advanced events can be [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► fun I'm actually having a lot of fun [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► reading spider vs because it is fun it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► is a it is end and I think maybe this is [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► one way the Marvel has learned some [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► lessons is that these events now seem to [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► be more or less driven by a by a single [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► riders so like hickman is driving the [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► secret worst thing that has been driving [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► the adventures thing and uh what is it a [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► is dan slott is driving the the spider [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► vs stuff and that makes it a little more [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► cohesive so I think events can be fun [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► events can also feel like huge amount of [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► work that are put together by [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► calculations about how much money you [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► can make and those are generally a lot [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► less fun and that took and that's okay [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► too but what bothers me about this one [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► is that it you get into you absolutely [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► do get into the the black Nick Fury [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► situation where there is life [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► it's a sign or something whatever move [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► yeah it's like it's like when they [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► decided that it was inconvenient to have [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► Peter Parker married and so I can [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► understand that I gotta say you're [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► publishing company i was just much much [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► rather see like a little graphic [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► representation of a post-it note on page [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► one of the whatever the next book is [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► saying hi guys lets just understand that [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► from now on let's just pretend this [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► marriage never happened is that they [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► have to create those all this apparatus [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► and they have to put the have to put [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► these people like I'm on the view at one [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► late night talk show say you know know [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► this had nothing to do with the fact [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► that we wanted to be able to market our [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► characters through the movies and [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► television a lot more efficiently this [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► really was just an organic decision we [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► made that was completely creatively [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► different wasn't this is its out its it [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► feels better when you feel as though [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► like crisis on Infinite Earths when they [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► really did feel like this is way too [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► complicated that we've got Superman on [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► trunk Superman of 18 different earths we [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► have to explain which one came from [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► which one we feel as though as as [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► editors and as writers would like to [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► have a more cohesive universe that's [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► what we did with this one it feels like [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► we really really really really really [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► want to have the young Fantastic Four [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► because that's more marketable we really [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► really really really want to have a half [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► miles morales as the new spider-man and [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► we really really really wanted to be [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► able to do X [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► Ben comics without ever having to say [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► the word x-men because then we can [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► promote our movies better [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► well really i think it's just a lot of [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► effort to bring Wolverine back to life [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► because there's no way they're coming [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► out of this with the dead Wolverine I [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► heard somebody who said this is all this [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► is gonna be like a hundred comic books [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► in order to import Miles Morales into [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► the mainstream [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► normal university and it's like oh well [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► all that's changed is that miles is here [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► and maybe a couple other little changes [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► and I guess we're done [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► meanwhile I have to say today the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► editor-in-chief of of DC Comics and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► their announcement said in this new era [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► of storytelling ok it's you read the [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► press release i guess this new era story [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► will trump continuity as we continue to [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► empower creators to tell the best [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► stories in the industry i found this [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► kind of a fascinating statement [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► especially bc which all of those stories [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► have been about continuity i would not [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► love it [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► story will trump continuity what what is [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► happening i feel that way more [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► interesting than any marbles as [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► announced by more excited DC this area [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► and Marvel because because again not to [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► repeat what I'm saying with Marvel I [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► feel like now get to buy a hundred [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► dollars for the comics to figure out a [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► new status quo that's been done just so [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► that the editors can the Lord is nikka [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► bibbidi-bobbidi-boo themselves into a [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► much more marketable universe that what [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► i got from the DC announcement was that [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► we're gonna have we're going to a [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► bat-mite book we're going to do a Black [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Canary book and we're gonna have we're [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► gonna have individual books you're gonna [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► just want to see you don't even need to [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► care about whatever is happening [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► elsewhere in DC this is a good place to [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► jump on that sort i might be wrong but [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► that's the impression that i got from DC [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► so that thing that keeps banging around [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► my head because we're talking about [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► continuity is how many of you guys are [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► familiar with our three alleged Miriam [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► you are [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► yeah and 17 Camelot I hitting Enter [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► spamalot so you guys so you know our [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► Arthur's been around for forever right [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► there is law governs brute there's the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► murder there's the murder the lip [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► Murray's lay there's more to Arthur but [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the point is is they're all these [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► different interpretations of our that go [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► on and there's endless iterations for [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► example in the earliest historic [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► Arthurian legends its there's no [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► Lancelot it's that going to be runs off [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► with Mordred and then one last like it's [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► introduced in the more to our through he [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► all but you know the dynamics the story [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► change the point is is [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► the elements are all there and it's just [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► good storytelling every time right up [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► through th once the once and future king [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► and then when the definitive 21st [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► century Arthur comes out it will be done [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► differently again and I was thinking [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► about this in context with comics and I [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► thought I think the reason why I keep [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► coming back is because continuity [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► matters less than the elements of the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► story and as long as you're telling me a [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► good black canary story or you're [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► telling me a good Batman story or a good [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► green arrow story or as long as you're [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► telling me you're really great run away [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► story i'm not really gonna be like oh I [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► happen to get the joke on panel 18 [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► because I to bought all a dishes of the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► watcher crossover series last year [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► that's not the important thing about [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► continuity though cut continuity is cool [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and helps the storytelling because it's [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► nice to have a character with a history [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that if i read offend test [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► I don't actually fantastic for right now [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► but if I did if it didn't the fact that [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the characters have this but 50-year [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► history of things that have happened to [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► them not only informed the way they act [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► but informs my knowledge of them it's [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► not just let's tell the story as though [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► these characters were born out of Zeus's [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► forehead today [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► yeah and against I mean this is the line [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► I mean this is the line they all walk [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Marvel used to not worry about this [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► continuity quite so much and it's events [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► weren't about it in DC's were and now [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► with DC making the statement it seems [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► like they're trying to go go the other [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► direction and empower their creators [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► which i think is really smart from a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► business standpoint because i think that [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► you know getting really good writers and [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► artists especially the writers to work [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► on Marvel and DC characters you want to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► give them reasons to tell interesting [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► stories and get the mix excited about it [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► and and and while while Marvel with the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► success of their movies has become more [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► enslaved I think into this idea of [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► having everything connect together and [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► and so I think that's to the detriment [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► of the storytelling to be honest well [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► it's agree it's I think it's a continuum [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► because I agree with Monty there is [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► richness in its the richness of a TV [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► series it's it's the richness of being [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► able to say remember what happened [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► you've been with these people for 10 [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► years remember what happened ten years [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► no there is there is there's power in [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that there's some short hand in that I [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► can appreciate that but you end up with [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► so much of that you're precluded [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► yourself from telling other stories and [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and if you tie it into every other comic [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► that you published over the last 20 [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► years you are you have made it [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► impossible to do anything because [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► continuities in the way so I mean that [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► was one of the reasons why i was a fan [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► of The Ultimate Universe is it stripped [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► the characters back to their core [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► without having to actually conform to [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► any history [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► ironically enough of course over 15 [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► years you're going to get history that [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► happened to the Ultimate Universe too so [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► I I see both sides here it's like I [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► understand the value of continuity [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► within reason but I also you know I also [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► roll my eyes at the fact that you know [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► this eternal present that they talk [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► about where you know everybody has [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► always been the age they are today in [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► the present day but you know but and [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► continuity where Spiderman was a team [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► was a you know teenager or college [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► student in the mid-seventies is still [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► real but how about sliding timescale [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► yeah everything happened to the last 20 [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► years or so I don't think people are [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► demanding that but i think i think the [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe is really a excellent [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► example of the sort of continuity that's [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► actually valuable where of ultimate [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► spider-man is probably the only book of [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that entire experiment that had any [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► value in the long run I great and I look [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► at the Fantastic Four where they took [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► the core concept where more people with [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► the for people with the a web of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► proceeding relationships suffer an [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► accident together and there they they go [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► through the the effects of did dealing [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► with what they are after this accident [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► if you back that up with all of the not [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► the details of the stories have been [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► happening for 50 years but the sum total [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► of what these characters are after 50 [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► characters 50 years you have something [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► really really valuable if you then [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► decide well how about we suddenly decide [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► that Reed Richards goes nuts and now [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► he's a member megalomaniacal super super [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► villains you're into that temporarily oh [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► that was that's that little bit but it [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► wasn't fantastic four it's like it's [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► like you can't take the label off a can [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► of coke and put it on whatever you want [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► and call it coke you may as well create [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► something brand-new [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► so this is actually a debate that we [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► have over on the flash flash cast almost [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► weekly and cross-promotion it is to get [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the TV podcast where Lisa and Tony and [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► Emily was suppose that we talk we break [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► down without the flash see this is like [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► the continuity it's uncomfortable [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► continuity hear ya the debate that we [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► have on the flash flash cast every week [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► because in dollars really good about [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► picking up stuff from the comics he's [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► very flash fluent and the debate we have [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► is do you really want to know that much [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► about continuity and what these [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► characters have done or do you want to [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► go in and just see where the story takes [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► you and then once it's done appreciate [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► how they pulled in continuity or not [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► in other words is it better to go and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► flying blind or is it better to go in [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► with the context and the richness that [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► you guys are talking about the trick [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► with that what the what the WB shows are [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► doing is they are to using their mining [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► rich source material to tell whatever [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► story they want however they want them [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► and that's very much like the ultimate [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► spider-man at least or lawyers genius [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► about this because they literally lifted [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► from both from the year one miniseries [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that was I think just five or six issues [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► and then my girls runs and they they've [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► done it so well that even you know and [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► I've read them i I've read all these [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► drones and even when i'm watching this [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► series I almost can't tell when they've [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► lifted something until after it's [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► sending them like oh yeah and to me that [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► that is really great storytelling [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► because it gets back to the elements it [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► still makes me feel like continuities [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► almost a reward for paying attention as [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► opposed to this relationship you build [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► up with the character for knowing them [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► for so many years but i can see the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► point that you guys have regarding how [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► having however many years worth of [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► knowledge of this character may enhance [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► or add weight to some of the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► developments that happened in the story [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► maybe continuity is the wrong word maybe [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► maybe a better would be equity when I [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► really feel as though certain books they [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► build up equity as they go along like [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► you want to create stockholm story one [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► way to do it is the way that the BBC did [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► Sherlock recently with Benedict [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► Cumberbatch where you do something very [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► very conservative very recognizable as [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► sherlock holmes and that all you did was [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► let's set him in modern-day London and [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► let's make Watson a veteran of even more [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► of a [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► our modern afghan war than older one [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► another way of doing it is well what if [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► we make him an American doctor in New [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► Jersey and he's and the solves mysteries [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► that are medical in nature that's also [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► sherlock holmes and your building upon [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► the equity of the character however once [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► you start to say well what if he's a C's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► actually a serial killer and uses [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► expertise in serial killing to make him [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► a better better detective you've created [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► something wonderful but it's not [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► Sherlock Holmes and that's that when we [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► do reboots like this and when you decide [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► what if we suddenly make again Reed [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► Richards a total jerk and is arrogant [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► and he just wants doesn't care will [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► probably already every freakin be an [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► arrogant jerk but he's not a monster [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► that's when that's when you're saying [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► that that's what I'm saying it may as [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► well not even call it the the your [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► misrepresented the product i think let [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► me tell you about our next sponsor its [TS]

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00:32:20 ◼   ► before [TS]

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00:32:24 ◼   ► or bounced email imagine--open your [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► email and seeing only the legitimate [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► mail that you want and need to receive [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► imagine no more friend this is the world [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► that i have been living in the last two [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► years and it's because mail route is in [TS]

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00:32:40 ◼   ► means I didn't install any hardware [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► I don't maintain any software mail route [TS]

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00:32:47 ◼   ► intelligence to determine what is valid [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► and what is invalid mail and then only [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► the valid mail gets passed on to my sir [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► mail server and to my inbox so it's easy [TS]

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00:33:00 ◼   ► a problem with mail route and it's not [TS]

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00:33:03 ◼   ► large universities and corporations [TS]

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00:33:11 ◼   ► love getting my little sample of what [TS]

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00:34:12 ◼   ► Watson homes which is a a and elevate [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► the code word is it's an urban Sherlock [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► Holmes but what it is is is holmes and [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► watson are black in new york city urban [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► healers and yeah I know example this is [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► how they market it right but it's [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► actually it's actually a really cool [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► comic really cool comic where that we're [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► Watson is the main character and they [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► are they are in Harlem solving crimes [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► and and Watson is a an Air Force veteran [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► whose return to the inner city and it's [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► actually kind of great but there and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► you're right the the Sherlock Holmes is [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► a serial killer and write it is holmes [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► and watson with a little spin on you [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► I think equity is a really nice when I [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► love ultimate spider-man because it is [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► retailing the the spider-man story and [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it's got it is a spider-man story but it [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► is not burdened it with having to set [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► take it take for granted all of these [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► all of these a basic assumptions of [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► where we are in continuity time but it [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► just goes back to the beginning and says [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► look let's just tell the story again and [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► let's start fresh and let's do the Clone [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► Saga right this time and yeah we at [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► which they kind of didn't but it was [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► better but rather something that's [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► always the heartbreak when somebody [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► takes one of your favorite favorite [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► characters or favorite dynamics and [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► turns it on its head because I can [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► remember how betrayed I felt when Gail [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► Simone left birds of prey and then the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► next one we took over i cant members [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► name but Simone had worked very hard for [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► this course of the run to build up these [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► plausible respectful holy believable [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► relationships among all of the different [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► like the main birds roster than all the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► auxiliary people and the other people [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► who are in other lives and like that was [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► squandered within two issues and it was [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► back to [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► oh these chicks they fight crime and [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► what I'm sure loves the green arrow and [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► it was just a heart it was infuriating [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► when I stopped buying those little [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► worried she's an ass kicker such a [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► powerful for no she's not oh yeah [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► powerful female character because like [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► she can wear a bustier and fishnets and [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► hurt you and it's just and so that's [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that's the flipside to I guess the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► equity or the the personal investment [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that the personal relationship to begin [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► to build up is I think sometimes it's [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► easy to forget what a strong role the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► writer has in that too and when the [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► writer leaves unless another writer with [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► similar sensibilities or or a writer who [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► says I understand these court [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► sensibilities are going to apply them to [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the character [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► unless that's their you you do run the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► risk of torpedoing years of work frankly [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► or or turning off a segment of your [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► audience i just read the secret origin [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► of Wonder Woman which is mostly about [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► William Moulton Marston the Wonder Woman [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► didn't we talk about that you know we [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► mentioned inviting briefly but yeah then [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► there's a moment in that exactly [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► illustrates what you're talking about [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► where one woman has become a huge [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► property for DC she's third to Superman [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► and Batman so they decided to add her to [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the justice society group comic book but [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► now she's going to be written by Gardner [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► foxes have William Moulton Marston and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► in the first issue she gets added to the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► justice society as the secretary and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► then every issue after that she says [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► sure when I could go with you boys have [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► to stay here and then there's one issue [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► where she does get to do something get [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► all the male superheroes have been [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► kidnapped or something [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► saudi and all the girlfriends have to go [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► rescue them [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► this reminds me of this is the fam in [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► both enjoying it infuriated by with the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► eight that the current Peggy Carter a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► mini-series on TV is watching how Peggy [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► is reduced taking lunch orders and and I [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► realize that's part of the whole point [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► to the series is to shit is to show you [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► is a commentary on that yes i realize [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► the whole point of the series is a [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► commentary that doesn't mean I have to [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► watch and go oh it's a commentary funny [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► things are terrible like you know it's a [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► very visceral loving like oh god people [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► thought that was okay [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► butBut so I was hiding yourself [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► she's going to found shield eventually [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► and other these jerks is yeah that guy [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► from one tree hill can just go right [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► back there as far as I'm concerned yes [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► so what I mean I i would imagine that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► these are conversations actually was a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► funny thing i read this is totally not [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► related but I'm gonna mention it where I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► saw a video of an interview with JJ [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► Abrams at like I'm a red carpet [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► somewhere and they were asking about the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► the lights or lightsaber with the from [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► the trailer that's got the little cards [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► coming out of it and his comment was [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► somebody was like well you know the fans [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► talk about this a lot and he just [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► laughed he said do you do not think that [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► we had huge arguments about this on the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► inside and I I thought that was really [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► funny and I want to bring that up in the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► comic book context and ask you I'm sure [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► they had these conversations at all [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► levels of Marvel and DC especially but i [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► wanted to ask you three [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► what is the how do you solve the problem [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► of wanting the richness of characters [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► that were familiar with while not [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► totally stifling storytelling by tying [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► everything together with continuity [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► that's basically walling off whole [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► sections of story possibilities because [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► somebody already told a story like that [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► 25 years ago that said it was a and you [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► wanted to bebe and it's too bad how do [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► you how do you take the richness and yet [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► still have things that are good stories [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that people want to read [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► I think that selective amnesia really is [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the secret to making all this work [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► it'sit's such a bit such a perfect [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► filter too because we can we write I [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► don't want to awaken a memory that [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► everybody I'm sure has been burying but [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► there was a time when I'm watching my [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► sisters give us riding stars writing [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► spider-man and he said well tell you [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► what he turns into a giant spider and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► then he dies and then a new Peter Parker [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► like car like that isn't a good soon [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► it's like they're I just I just love [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► that there's no need to recon that [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► there's no way to explain like how all [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that was actually a clone or that was [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► just a virtual reality we all just ate [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► editors includes let's just all agree [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that we just never speak of that again [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► whereas other things that might have [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► happened around the same time they are [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► so potent and so good like when dr. [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► octopus inhabit his body for for a good [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► year to that we're going we're going to [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► accept that as something that's true i [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► think that really you don't think that [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► this secret is just repeat yourself it's [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► just a comment i should really just [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► relax and as I don't think you're [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► getting this bakery boots are these big [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► explanations i say just keep the good [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► stuff like it he said there was [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► something cool remember that to star [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► trek as an example [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► apparently in the Star Trek animated [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► series which is sort of cannon there's [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► an episode that end with a 200 foot tall [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► vegetable clone of Spock just left out [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► on a planet somewhere so that's there [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► for all the future movies and series [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► know who cares that was done we forgot [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► about it after you know I Peter and Mary [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► Jane had a baby that was taken away and [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► they thought that the that the baby died [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► and was taken away by Norman Osborn to [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► Europe where would be it [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► educated and evil European schools or [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► something like that and it literally [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► which actually yes [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► that baby is actually the premise of the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► spider girl comic where she didn't get [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► taken away but I i remember reading [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► those comics and looking up on reading [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► wikipedia several years later like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► whatever what they ever do with that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► story and you know what the answer is [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► what we don't speak of it like it's just [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► now that didn't do whatever we didn't [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► let's not worry about it it's like [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► Richie's brother on happy days [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► yeah just like continuity that and i [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► like that Superman has whatever 80 years [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► of history if they didn't have those [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► reboots yeah it doesn't matter if he had [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► super puzzle solving ability for two [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► issues in the nineteen fifties you can [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► ignore that nobody really mind except [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► for the puzzle makers of america and [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► they're like why do Superman offices I [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► this pad panel 2 on page 8 of action [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► comics number 438 Clark Kent scratches [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► his head and says I've never been good [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► at puzzles but I point you know that [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► having that I like big I like DC's [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► occasional big crisis or zero hour [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► shake it all up and see what happens i [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► don't see that as a negative i think [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► those are fun diversion as [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► once i'm not paying for the week by week [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► because this again comes down I I'm [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► gonna come back to the Arthurian thing [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► because i think one of the reasons the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► Arthurian legend has managed to maintain [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► across British literary history for [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► hundreds of years is because it's got [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► the fundamentals of of a story in there [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► Arthur is always somebody who is the [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► literal embodiment of the land where is [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► somebody who is the embodiment of [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► authority and treachery Morgan is always [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the embodiment of weakness later on you [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► have gallon galant but the point is all [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► these elements are the same and they can [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► be creatively mixed and matched and spun [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► off into side stories and you know [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► there's a free which anthology it was [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► that had all the different stories of [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► all the different knights of the round [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► table and I think when comics is firing [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► on all cylinders [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► it's basically doing that were the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► writers all have an idea in their head [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► that this is this is this character's [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► personality profile this is what they do [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► in any given situation let's throw them [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► into a situation where they adopt a [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► dragon or less stringent situation where [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► they become a Valkyrie or let's turn [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► them into a situation where they become [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► a vampire then adopt a baby growing [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► frustration where he's not a vampire but [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► instead a weirdo who's really Richard [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► lives in Seattle example God if you pick [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► well that's not good storytelling I mean [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► even if my some even if it was you [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► probably could make it work if it was [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► like if it were gifted writer gifted [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► storyteller but you know that the point [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► is is that the good stuff in the story [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► is almost always immutable and it can be [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► recognized from iteration to iteration [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► or feeling that the second approach i [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► would suggest is the John Cleese [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► approach where you had basically the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► same cast make both fish called wanda [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► and fierce creatures fierce creature [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► isn't and a movie [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► yeah movie that is so good you don't [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► remember it's not the movie about leave [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► their parts of that movie that I will [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► defend to the death parts look but I'll [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► I've always liked the idea of not one of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► the things I love about sketch comedy is [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► how performers can manage to be both [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► simultaneously versatile and incredibly [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► reliable where when the minivan come on [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► screen part of your subconscious that [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► subconsciously goes oh and now we're [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► going to see this element enter the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► story or open now [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► we're gonna see this element enter the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► situation the problem is you can't [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► really decide what are the essential [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► elements of characters before they've [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► been around for hundreds of years we [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► can't well like Wonder Woman is it [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► essential that she fought Nazis i think [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► mmm the writers think know is it okay [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► that she stops being from Paradise [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► Island and that was from the mascara in [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► this area time I less silly name it's [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► pronounced Paradise Island I don't quite [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► agree with that just because I'm but and [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► here here here i'm going to contradict [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► my argument immediately after i make it [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► when i was reading storm watch and being [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► professional Lisa yeah I was big bolts [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► phone rings from watching the authority [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► they were did the writers were a bit [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► more analysis special is basically [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► inventing a whole new ensemble of [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► superheroes and he does a really good [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► job of characterizing them in just a few [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► issues and there isn't a whole lot of [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► backstory either but that doesn't make [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► the stories any less compelling or less [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► rewarding to read at the same time I [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► could also argue that the reason that [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► those books were so successful is [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► because he was subconsciously drawing [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► upon or perhaps deliberately drawing [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► upon archetypes that had been [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► established by you know other writers [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► and other titles for 50 60 70 years but [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► i think you can you know Runaways I [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► think works out really well as a story [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► yeah but that's new that's new [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► characters right now because nuclear [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► yeah that and that and that's exactly [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► what I i would like to see DC and Marvel [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► do i mean i'd like to see them to a lot [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► of guys like new characters i think they [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► do you know well I mean it's only once [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► one solution is that the rolling amnesia [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► like I said but another one is just [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► simply say just bite the bullet and say [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that fantastic the reed richards and Sir [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► Richard's are now in their sixties and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► all of the and Peter Parker is now in [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► his fifties and you have to let you now [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► have the the senior class but they are [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► doing things that they wouldn't be doing [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► with when they were like 16 17 18 year [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► olds but that's that's great because you [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► have been cultivating new generations of [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► characters to sort of take their places [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► so it's it's good to have it there's a [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► game at the Fantastic Four mean there's [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► a problem now with Johnny Storm because [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► he's just locked into he's got to be 21 [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► years old he's got to be completely [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► irresponsible [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► turn again where exactly where is you [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► have these other characters like even of [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► that can i connect my whole bunch of [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► like minor characters that have because [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► they they're not licensed they're not [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► hot licensed characters you can have [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► them be [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► you can track them as in the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► mid-seventies she was like part of the [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► miss marvel used to be part of like the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► hey let's have some some women [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► superheroes now we can basically develop [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► them so that little by little they're [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► proud of the senior class now they're [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► not these characters that don't know [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► what they're doing and they're doing the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► best they can [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► no she hulk is now leaders is not a [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► leader of a group and it has areas [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► possibility not because she's a new [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► character thats been written as this [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► formidable lawyer but because you can [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► actually acknowledge that while she's [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► been at this hero game for about 10-15 [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► years now she is a graduate of the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► been-there-done-that class and now you [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► with these are things you can only do if [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► you allow the characters to at least [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► gain experience points i think that's [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► something that you kind of lose when you [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► basically make sure that they're just on [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► that that standing desk and that they [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► can move a lot but they can never really [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► move forward [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► that's when the saddest things i've ever [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► heard a standing desk for you can move a [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► lot never move forward a treadmill desk [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► is the worst one because that when you [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► literally walk 10 miles and never leave [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► your desk [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► I'm I'm exhausted I'm exhausted I'm [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► sticky by still blade on my deadlines I [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► don't know how that happened [TS]

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00:48:36 ◼   ► that much loot crate once it is nine [TS]

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00:48:41 ◼   ► out until the next month so hurry run [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► don't walk to loot crate dot-com / smell [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► that's my name and enter code smell to [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► save three dollars on any new [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► subscription to loot crate now februari [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► crate if you get in by februari 19th [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► it's gonna be a lot of fun for people [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► who like to play games break out the [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► dice the car [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► the controller's strategize february's [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► create it's all about the fun and [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► fantastic games we left to play [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► tabletop video board card role-playing [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► games and much more lucrative put [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► together something that celebrates the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► boundless levels of adventure and [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► creativity and excitement that great [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► gaming can bring what's in this great an [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► exclusive look great addition of a [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► popular table top title of vinyl [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► collectible figure a best-selling title [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► of my gamer geeks worldwide and much [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► more loot crate is like a friend who [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► knows exactly what you love and [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► surprises you with an awesome present [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► every month they ship 29 countries and [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► there's much more information about it [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► on their site to go to loot crate [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► dot-com / smell and enter code smells [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► safe three dollars on any new [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► subscription and thank you to look great [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► for sponsoring the uncomfortable [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► I don't know I'm this is a really [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► interesting conversation because in the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► end I it comes back to telling good [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► stories and i know i I've had [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► conversations I think with all of you [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► about that's the past it one of the [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► frustrating things about the comic book [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► the comics medium in general and and [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► there are graphic novels and there are [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► independent comics that you to tell [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► fixed stories but one of the the appeals [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► of the broad you know the Marvel and DC [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► intellectual property kind of stories [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and characters is they are the ones that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► we grew up with [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► they're the ones that are a whole new [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► generation is growing up with they are [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that they are like mythological figures [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► like Lisa said they're like Arthurian [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► legends and things like that one of the [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► challenges with this medium is finding [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► good stories when we talk about doing [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► comic book club episodes of the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► what you don't want to do is say well [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you need 40 years of history and then [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► read these you know 20 tie and comics [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► and there's a story in there [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► what you want to do is be able to throw [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► a trade or two at somebody and say [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► here's a it's like reading a novel read [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► these and we'll talk about it and that [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► is that is the challenge of the business [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► of comic-book continuity i think is that [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► it fights against that and although the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► continuity is rich i also miss not [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► having the ability to say like I have [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► the i mentioned this before on the show [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► I have the hardcover of redbox planet [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► hulk and I'm not a Hulk [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► and at all actually but that's a great [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► story and it's self-contained and you [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► don't really need to know anything more [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► about other than like background [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► radiation of which would be gamma [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► radiation of the Hulk story to get this [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► story and and yeah it's on a different [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► planet and it doesn't have most of his [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► his regular cast on it but it's a nice [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► story to have it and I think that's the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► downside of the continuity stuff is that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► oftentimes you don't have the ability to [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► point of the story and say that's a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► story instead it's like a soap opera [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► with a bunch of different parts and it's [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► much harder soap operas is a valid [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► storytelling approach to I guess I'm [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► saying I'm a little disappointed that [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► there's so much soap opera and not [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► enough sort of novels in the comics area [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► in the Marvel and DC Comics areas but [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► most of these big ridiculous crossover [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► things you can just read the trade like [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► you can read it crisis on infinite [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► earths and just the trade go alright I [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► pretty much got that I may not have [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► radii don't agree i think a lot of those [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► are our events that really require you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► to know about everything that's around [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► them because it's 80 different [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► characters and I might know who you know [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► spider-man is or I might know who [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► Superman is but I I you know when you're [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► putting pouring everybody in from the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► universe then it's like I don't even [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► know who these people at that well [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► particularly with crisis on Infinite [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► Earths there's so many people they don't [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► matter [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► all you have to do all you have to know [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► is on this page for universes died [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► you may not recognize all 20 people in [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► each panel because the artist is a [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► show-off [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► okay good yeah yeah this is already [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► destroyed universes this when you see a [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► Superman and Superman with gray hair [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► glaring at each other [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you get the idea like I I guess I mean I [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► one of the I would contract [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► contrast that with the what jonathan [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► hickman's been doing in Avengers and New [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► Avengers which is about universe is [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► annihilating themselves or at least [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► Earth's in parallel universes [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► annihilating one another and this is a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► difference between comics from the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► eighties and comics of today there [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► there's a lot more angst about you know [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► it's them or us and are we right do we [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► have the responsibility and arguing and [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► and maybe we'll go to that Earth's we [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► can get some fine [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► some cool people and bring them back to [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► our earth and there's there's more of [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that stuff in there in the end yeah it [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► is sort of like look you don't need to [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► know who those people are in fact you've [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► never seen them before [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► suffice it to say that they're cool and [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► now their universe is blown up [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► they did a story like that in storm [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► watch where where it was basically 11 [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► group of people got to check out and see [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► what was happening on an alternate [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► planet and all they could base all they [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► could basically do where it was like [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► they're watching a really bad TV show [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► and a lot of the a lot of the issue [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► because i think it was just a one or two [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► you think a lot of him that was was are [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► our heroes basically biting their nails [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► all this is not going to work with my [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► gosh what can we do with the answer was [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► no we can't do a thing we can just we [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► can just accept the fact that sometimes [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► we can't even save our own universe and [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► we certainly can't save anyone elses and [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► i like that i like the idea that there [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► was that that there is amplified sense [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► of helplessness [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► well I have a theory something I really [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► want marvel to do because i think [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► there's core problem is not continuity [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► and it's not too many crossovers their [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► core problem is that they had too many [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► people in New York City and they've [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► always had this problem with that's [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► where people characters characters [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► that's where spider-man lives that's [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► where dr. strange lives that's where the [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► Avengers live and that's where the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► Fantastic Four live like all of their [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► and the x-men are just outside New York [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► City so because they were creating [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► characters that lived in the real world [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and that's where Stan Lee and Jack Kirby [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► lived [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► everybody's in new york city and i think [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► what they really need to do is spread [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► people out a bit so tying that into the [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► way movie rights or spear around I think [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► we're gonna come out of secret wars with [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► three or four separate universes [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► universe one will have spider-man and [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the x-men in it and we'll call that [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► universe sony universe to will call [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► universe MCU and we'll have everybody [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► that's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► and then the other universe will be [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► wherever the other stuff is fox fox yes [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► yeah that's the mutant universe doesn't [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► ask for [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► yeah because it would be pretty [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► convenient for the mutants just to live [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► somewhere else [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► because there's way too many of them and [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► also if they spread out so they're [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► separated by who owns the movie rights [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► I think that'll let Marvel do really [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► cruel things to sony and start saying [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► because they've already threatened to [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► stop having a fantastic for comic book [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► that's happening [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► yeah so that's my theory Marvel ends up [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► in several different universes [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► conveniently separate segregated by [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► movie right that's dad's diabolical [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► Monty yeah [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► and yet uncannily lucrative of you i [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► just want them to work in the line I [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► don't want to cure cancer from to turn [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► people into darkness [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► sure yeah I just yeah once that way [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Kalin is given the ability to write a TV [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► or movie for Marvel just what happened [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► there really opening up the floodgates [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► on allowing comic books to get goofy [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► yeah which like rate the idea of there [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► being a bat-mite comic or section eight [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► which is going to have the dog welder [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► whose powers that he could well dogs to [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► think that's great that's wonderful i'm [TS]