00:00:00 ◼ ► erica Ogg welcome to the talk-show thank you glad to be here so I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/0">TS</a>]
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00:00:08 ◼ ► thing is but there's a lot of little news this week and one that just came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/8">TS</a>]
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00:00:16 ◼ ► Schmidt chairman and former CEO of Google still uses a blackberry that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► is somewhat surprising did you see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/22">TS</a>]
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00:00:33 ◼ ► using a blackberry was like on stage at some conference and somebody was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/33">TS</a>]
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00:00:48 ◼ ► think the chairman of Google would use some sort of Android phone probably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/48">TS</a>]
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00:01:03 ◼ ► me there's a twofold intrigue here is one he's not using the company's phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/63">TS</a>]
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00:01:11 ◼ ► one of Android and he still needs XYZ from blackberry because it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► established platform which is semi kind of understandable it's you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/75">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► first hundred times cannot make 2008 it's it's like you're five and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► second thing is blackberry really like I would almost be in fact I would be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/85">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► wouldn't I don't know that I would make fun of them or maybe I'd make fun of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► a lot less if he was using sand I know I mean I would think I mean if he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► using Android I would automatically think that he was using an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► because you just would think that in today's age you would want features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/103">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► the old blackberries died and I presume that the one day I don't know I presume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/109">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► it's not the brand new z10 modern blackberry we're talking about the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► one that's just bbm messages and phone calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/118">TS</a>]
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00:02:05 ◼ ► is like oh it's with the aidid guys at my company make me use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/125">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► but that argument that are not just doesn't seem like that would stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► for him well and because everybody knows the people that Google read everybody I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/132">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► know what Google uses either Android or and I of course because they want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/139">TS</a>]
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00:02:34 ◼ ► is this what I would do if it where is this what we would say if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► somebody an apple or something like that and so I'll give an example of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/157">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► it's widely known that when Apple acquired next and the next executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/161">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► team sort of person took over Apple in 1997 that at least for most of ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/168">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► seven I'm not sure when he switched but at least from us 297 even though he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/175">TS</a>]
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00:03:04 ◼ ► influential at Apple because he'd come back Steve Jobs didn't use a PowerBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► he used like I think it was a ThinkPad running next really yet another but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/188">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► makes some amount of sense though where it's not necessary okay so he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► quite being a team player but I think the gist of the situation was hey are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/200">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► you know are being Apple are OS has really fallen behind technically we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/206">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► something new and new next generation thing so in a sense he was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► something that was more like what Apple's future was about then using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/219">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► it wasn't necessarily politically problematic that he was using a ThinkPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► running open so right and you can you can kind of see it like you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/229">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► design wise he probably gravitated towards something like to think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/234">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► really good for what he needed to do with the computer at the time right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/239">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► I saw I would say would be more like the equivalent of an executive at Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► we're using a blackberry in 2008 right that Android was new we've only just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/249">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► come out with the first one it doesn't do everything we need yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but we're working hard to make sure that it's going to be better than this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/258">TS</a>]
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00:04:31 ◼ ► mysterious I would really love to hear his explanation for that it had and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/271">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► cant stop laughing like I wonder and wonder how many Google services use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► those black crimes your Google search works is fine but I wonder how much else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► I'm a guess you can get your email but that's kind of the point the BlackBerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► right right so the big news of the week the Big Apple news of the week is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► Apple has hired from Adobe former Derby CTL Kevin Lynch right and you think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/301">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► is a terrible idea well I wouldn't go so far as to say that I guess I should tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/309">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► down my posts ever so slightly I get anything I maybe I miss the word might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/315">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► and the headline where I had exhibit a in the case that Kevin Lynch is a bozo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/319">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► about higher I should have maybe said might be a bozo about higher because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/325">TS</a>]
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00:05:40 ◼ ► I've read and followed about chemical engineer has been to me backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/340">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► thinking it's not just the flash thing either but the flash thing has a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► part of it and I haven't seen much that was that was really in his favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/352">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► yeah I mean I've been covering Apple and I haven't paid as much attention to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► what he's been doing but I guess from what I have seen like when his when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/362">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► has said stuff about Apple about you know the whole flash fate I guess I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/367">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► back on it just seems like a company guy right like that's his job right to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/373">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► and to promote their technologies and I wonder like what he should have done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/380">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► that is absolutely and I'm you know I've gotten as much feedback about those few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/390">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► short post I wrote about him as anything i've written recently and you know both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/394">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► pro and con I got an awful lot like you know good for you or you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► speaking her mind I'm this guy who's been saying things about fashion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► mobile OS's for a few years to the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► heyy you jump in on these guys know what do you expect him to do he's gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► follow the company's line and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► dobie them and flash and doing their best to try to make it relevant on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► mobile and and my take on that is that he wasn't just an employee his title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/420">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► wasn't like / evangelist he wasn't good product manager of flash in which case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► could totally by the the argument he was just telling the company lied to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/431">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► I think this is sort of what I wrote is that as the CTO of Adobe he was the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/437">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► painting the company and I just can't help but think that he should have known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/441">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► yeah I mean it's obviously it's hard to speculate that we don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► internal dynamics were at the time you know what how much control you how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/453">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► read that or how much employees he could have had kids I mean flashes / rate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/460">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► what if you were the one to be like alright actually Steve's rate could he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/466">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► say that could be like quietly start to say that inside but not publicly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/471">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► and that is why I really do hope that it was clear I magnin write extensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► about it but I hope that whatever it was short and sweet and made this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► which is that what he said publicly circa 2007 when the iPhone was first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/484">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► announced the first one came out without flash in 2008 when it did really sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/489">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► started with the 3G sorted to become a phenomenon like really started to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/495">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► rather startling numbers is one thing because you could say look this is early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/499">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► clearly Apple is sort of define the next generation of mobile technology but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► there's obviously you know everybody else is going to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► let's see how it shakes out maybe flash can be a part of that I whenever he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/512">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► back then i think is fine weather whatever he believed it out but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► behind the scenes though it should have been a wake-up call and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► they should have realized that no way was Apple gonna get on board with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/525">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► that this was a browser and I less was not gonna run ever and that they needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/527">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► to work on what's next so that Adobe can be relevant to creative professionals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/535">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► creating content for these devices you know I don't know what what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/540">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► say is that like an epic intact but three years is a long time I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/546">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► technology usually it's like if you go back three years you can find all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► of stuff that I can't believe that we had back then and so like the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► years between the iPhone and the first iPad to me that's when do we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/560">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► at least behind the scenes not necessarily publicly but behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/566">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► scenes should have been working on something that was going to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/569">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► mobile devices that don't have Flash Player installed and web browser and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► they did when I had came out in 2010 it was the same song and dance all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► again so is your is your concern but you know the Apple has taken a guide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/583">TS</a>]
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00:09:57 ◼ ► pattern of looking to the next things getting to the puck is going like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/597">TS</a>]
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00:10:09 ◼ ► said there's a couple of times and and I think Steve Jobs you know Tim Cook said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► this explicit I think it was a 2d conference last year but that Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/613">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► changed his mind all the time that the way that he accumulated a great track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/616">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► record of foresight and being right and and creating these innovative products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► over the course of decades was not by being right every single time he made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► decision every step of the way it was by being right a lot of the time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/631">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► revisiting and saying okay that was wrong let's do it the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/637">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► was very much came through in the biography to rate is he wasn't afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/643">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► someone proved he wasn't afraid to say ok you're right let's do that and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/648">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► linked to his name Eric somebody at forbes who had a piece done on bozos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/655">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► what is it what I mean by and that's a word that Steve Jobs is the line that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► did you know that he thought john sculley wound up being a bozo and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/666">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► know used the word lie that's why I chose that word and his definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► bozo loosely was someone who is smart but is not as smart as he thinks he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► and gets defensive about it and starts rationalizing every decision they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/681">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► already made to sort of make it seem as though they're always right right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► definitely there's no doubt 0 doubt in my mind that Kevin Lynch's a very smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► man I mean you can't get you can't get that high Adobe without being smart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/696">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► I'm sure that Apple would not hard to see one of those guys who is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► smart as he thinks he is and latches onto an idea doesn't like 0 likes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► flash players gonna be a relevant technology and mobile operating systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/709">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► right I find it interesting I mean I guess this is a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/714">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► potentially in favor of maybe have him having little humility is he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/719">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► I mean like I think that says something about what he thinks he's capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/727">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► what he can offer Apple yeah that is a very good point because at Apple Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/733">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► doesn't really have the c-level executives at most companies do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► they only have to right now thats Tim Cook CEO and Peter Oppenheimer CFO who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/743">TS</a>]
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00:12:39 ◼ ► other there's no chief white bike officer of anything like obviously when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/759">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► when cook stepped up there is no COO anymore right and that's interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/765">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► them didn't replace him as CEO there is a senior vice president of operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► but he didn't get the COO title you know and Phil Schiller is not chief marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► officer he's you know senior vice versa senior vice president is as high as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► can go up or other than to BC and he's not a senior vice president I did their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► executives page where they show that executive leadership of the company only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► list the senior vice presidents it doesn't like so Kevin Lynch won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► listed there which is interesting because it's definitely a couple 0 CT 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► right but it's interesting I was talking with somebody I forget who on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/803">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► and they pointed out that at this point Apple is so much bigger than it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► even being quote unquote a mere vice president at a pool actually might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/815">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► bigger deal than being CTO of Adobe which is kind of hard for me to wrap my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► head around because I've been following both of these companies for so long I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► remember when Adobe was bigger than Apple at least you know bite stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► prices stuff like that so it's kind of funny for me to think about it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/833">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► like I still kind of see adobe is one of Apple's peers but they really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/838">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► aren't any well I'm gonna talk about your company right there are few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► companies that are apples pears no more but it's weird it's still kind of hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/847">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► for me to get my head around that year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► like when I think about Microsoft and I still think of Microsoft instantly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► think of them as being a much bigger almost bullying company that Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► they're not they're smaller by any measure so here's a question what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/865">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► think Kevin Lynch is going to be doing it up that's what i was gonna ask you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/874">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► don't know I feel like that's the big mystery well I mean that he was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/880">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► on cloud stuff so I think that would be interesting obviously that's an area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► that Apple needs you know some help with an area that's like extreme focus for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/890">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► them so I don't know I am really curious like how can I like how it went down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/897">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► why they hired him like they hire him because he realized he wasn't gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► any further and Adobe and he was like hey and now available or do they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/909">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► after him and that I think that's an interesting distinction just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► they need someone to fill position and they didn't hire they didn't promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/919">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► from within or they had to go outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► that's that's what I'm I think that would determine more the answer to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► question there's a couple of mysteries about how many apples always mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► because they're never going to really open up but some of the questions I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/935">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► is why is he in this technology Bob Mansfield technology division which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► know on paper they say it's about semiconductors and wireless technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► but I think it's more that Bob Mansfield Technology Group is sort of Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/949">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► equivalent of research and development maybe like their equivalent of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► acts where it's like next-generation technology period because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► reasons I think that and I think they gave it this really plain description of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/965">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► wireless and semiconductors because anything that Apple might possibly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► working on is going to involve semiconductors and wireless technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► like there is no possible taking device that they're making it doesn't involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► yeah it's actually kind of funny when you think about it that way right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► these are the guys shrinking the systems on a chip these are the guys getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► wireless stuff that uses less power and has the most bandwidth as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► etcetera but that's anything up on my right and didn't when when they hired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► Mansfield backer whenever they get new position is not what they said that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/996">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► would be working on movie apple into new areas I remember I don't have liked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► show that there was there was a hint of it there was a hint of it in that PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► that it was going to be a sort of like apple just doesn't call much R&D they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► really don't like and so some people make a stink about it like I know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► good mutual friend Dan Lyons is often somehow gloated over the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► Apple's R&D expenditures as you know divided by their revenue is really small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► compared to most of their peer companies but I think that simply because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► doesn't call much of what they do R&D itself is it yeah it really do think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► i think that they you know they don't really do much and they never do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► thing like steve Jobs was like allergic to was are indeed that's unrelated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► specific actual products that they might want to develop like they don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► fantasy products just that aren't rich you know maybe twenty years and I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► be able to make this simple just play around with ourselves and make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► group that's not realistic in the next couple of years so I think the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► they're always working on real projects and I think that what most companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► will call Rd they just expenses product about what you would think so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1073">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► reporting to Bob Mansfield who does something we don't really nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► really sure what he does but he's certainly very well-regarded within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► Mansfield right but you would think that if it was about the cloud stuff and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► is because of dobie has recently I have what create the Creative Cloud and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► forget with the other ones called the Creative Cloud as I can get like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► subscription to Photoshop and Illustrator etc without getting a DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► anymore I cannot take a monthly subscription forget their other cloud I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► think it's the one with I don't know probably Adobe Acrobat Reader and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► like that and apparently that's gone very well that the people who subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► to the Creative Cloud pretty happy with it and so there's a lot of speculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► that maybe that's basically what Apple hired Lynch to do but if so when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► reported a DQ I would say yeah I mean I mean I guess it depends if he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1129">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► working on something more like infrastructure wise or something that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► would seem like technologies with the place to be but if it was more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► directly on the actual services then yeah he would make more sense and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► think it was John coach Caskey it all things the who you know said that early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► on he you know had somebody at Apple confirmed to him that his title will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► VP of technology new report about Mansfield said that his duties will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► coordinating efforts between hardware and software teams across the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► which again is sort of like what what what part of what Apple does isn't about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► coordinating hardware software teams across the company like that so vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► that it almost doesn't mean anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► yes it's sort of classic Apple classically sort of generic when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► have to make a statement on something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► yeah it sounds like it makes sense then you really think about it you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► that could be almost a mile s could be mad could be both could be iCloud and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► that's also their theme lately arrayed like ever since the reorg is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► things to work together more closely so fewer fiefdom than even they had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► and had relatively few theft of us by the standards of most big company the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► other thing I've heard and i've heard from my friends at Adobe and the friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► I've spoken to Italy maybe they've colored my commentary on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► they seem to the general consensus of the people I know it is good reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► really yeah what and why that internally the consensus from the people I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► spoken to Adobe's that Lynch really was a true believer in flash on mobile that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► he wasn't just telling the company line that he really really thought that flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► was gonna pull this out and still be relevant long-term going into the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► and like for example one of my friends cited as like a landmark in this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► when version 4.1 of Android last summer which i think came out like July but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► was somewhere in the 4.0 4.0 or 4.1 of Android where Google is like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► what we're no longer going to include flash player in the built-in browser in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► the system and it's not gonna talk and work anymore like they've sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► know the sort of threw in the towel in that which i think should have been I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► think everybody else so that is the final nail in the coffin right that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► flashes Flash Player is not going to be relevant mobile going forward I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► but apparently inside Adobe he still thought wow now even Google is screwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► this up we're still gonna do this but even even Google isn't smart enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► see how how important flash players gonna be on mobile right he was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► know let's move on right and that dog i mean friends I have definitely the lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► level they're you know they're they're enlisted men not officers to to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► military analogy but you know that they just don't like it he was holding back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► the company from doing more relevant work on mobile by insisting that flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► player was going to be part of the company's mobile efforts even like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► summer that than that yeah that would be concerning it was coming for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► like using the phrase like holding them back like that's that's like a show on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► the flip side though and i'll settle on the optimistic side that hey don't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► worried there's two things I've heard wine and this I heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► first day I heard this from three friends out in all three said more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► less the same thing which is I don't know what's the deal I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► the deal is with lunch in particular but Bob Mansfield suffers no fools if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► guy is a bozo he'll be out of here there's no doubt that Mansfield's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► do you know if he reports to Mansfield and he's he's not doing great work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► going to be gone thank you all very different three different ppl popped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► with that and I believe it but I think if that happens it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► embarrassing trouble I kind of feel and especially i sort of thing for Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► because I feel like the John Browett thing is it real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► has a lot of people you know concern yeah I was just gonna say if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► quicker hook then then cooked on browser that's going to be yeah that'll be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► embarrassing and who knows maybe you know we don't know maybe it was entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► Bob Mansfield call Bob you hire you on and Bob Mansfield is single-handedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► said I'm this is the guy but it's not going to be read that way if if he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's going to undermine confidence in Europe's ability to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► obviously he has one strike against him and like it or not he's under more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► pressure as the successor to Steve Jobs then even steve Jobs was under Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► hasn't been executive hires who who did jobs have that Papermaster Papermaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► and that was kinda hard to run Mac hardware or all hardware I forget it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► it was all hardware he was one from the Czech guy from IBM yeah and he's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► who got there and he kind of took the axe for the antennagate bright and early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► seemingly certainly looked like a sort of shooed him away after that so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► was also Tim butcher now this is going back almost a decade but temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► where I think it was in charge of Mac hardware but yeah he says here's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► neck Observer Mr Butcher was the head of Macintosh hardware engineering for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► and oversaw the development of the recently introduced Mac Mini he joined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► Apple in 2007 as vice president of macintosh system development was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► promoted to senior vice president of Macintosh hardware engineering in May [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► 2004 and so to hear the story is that the lawsuit he event ended up after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► got fired he filed a lawsuit against Apple alleges that Apple CEO and COO Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► Cook Apple's executive vice president he was executive he wasn't CEO executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► vice president of worldwide sales and operations they told Mr Butcher on two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► separate occasions that he had not failed in his work but never gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► specific reasons as to why they wanted to leave the company you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► failure Mr Jobs reportedly told Mr Butcher early November even God couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1546">TS</a>]
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00:26:38 ◼ ► executives right away from another company it's almost like a sports trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1598">TS</a>]
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00:27:16 ◼ ► problem of paper masters he was coming from IBM in New York where they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1636">TS</a>]
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00:28:03 ◼ ► doesn't work out and only last six seven months or something like that and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1683">TS</a>]
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00:29:01 ◼ ► believes it somebody Thomas is that Apple wanted to hire him back they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1741">TS</a>]
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00:29:22 ◼ ► them down for the reason that he thought it would be poor form to leave Adobe for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► Apple in particular while this there is this major point of contention that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► was sort of right in the center during the flood right you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► flashlight with his fight and he by as much as he would otherwise perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► entertaining option in like to do it that it would be disloyal maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► something like that which if true is sort of commendable and speaks honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► you know I would say speaks to his integrity but I you know is that true I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► don't know that you know the story is the term for a while something I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1796">TS</a>]
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00:32:27 ◼ ► here's another one did you see the thing only yesterday this ABC news story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► survey that said that the iPhone is what it would do they say that it was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► longer as inspiring as other phones it's just a phone it just seemed like such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► phony metric of appeal and they just passed this long and so a reader it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► it wasn't my idea was a DAF reader who who just said hey if you google the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► company who conducted this survey that part of an advertising agency and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► go and see and Samsung you see that that Samsung's mean advertising in North [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► America so you know it's it's a survey conducted by Samsung's advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► company that the BBC News just passed the law is packed with no mention of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► fact that the same status as Samsung's advertising agency and Mike I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► about two hours later they added a paragraph like three or four paragraphs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► down there said that company is a subsidiary of whatever and they're hired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► by companies like Samsung Google and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2012">TS</a>]
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00:33:57 ◼ ► about just the PR industry and just like what they the constant sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2037">TS</a>]
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00:34:15 ◼ ► only covers way more than Darren barber covers I mean I covered most everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2055">TS</a>]
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00:34:24 ◼ ► just one person whereas the daily output it going is just so much greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2064">TS</a>]
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00:34:34 ◼ ► involved were you at least you look at it and you have to think we'll who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► who is saying right now and i mean clearly there is there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2078">TS</a>]
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00:35:15 ◼ ► inspiring in the us- says the survey by consultancy added value like I said what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2115">TS</a>]
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00:35:31 ◼ ► antiabortion headline and then a pro Samsung lead and it's from Samsung's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2131">TS</a>]
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00:39:12 ◼ ► the back and forth over trying to figure out how to use it and I did thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► gets me as time goes on it does not seem like PR professionals are getting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► like they seemed there seems to be a total disconnect between what PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► professionals who people pay to sort of help get exposure to their product or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2369">TS</a>]
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00:39:57 ◼ ► consideration to eat pizza comes in europe your you would literally burn up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2397">TS</a>]
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00:40:05 ◼ ► spend hours just going through pitches from random people every but yet the PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► professional seem to have lost the ability to sort of think about it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► our perspective and condense it into look like a teaser he's just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► sentences that maybe should catch your attention and the URL and a promo code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2419">TS</a>]
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00:40:30 ◼ ► 1500 words about this out and burry burry the actual description in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2430">TS</a>]
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00:40:50 ◼ ► French justice and a call mice week about it called an alkyl losing the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► of words and sort of talking about the recent snowfall shoulders recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► interviews about Android on the eve of the galaxy s4 launch and the new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► comparison page that Apple has theirs iPhone and there's everything else he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► seemed a little bit against it thinks it funny doubtful because if you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► market leader you shouldn't stoop to the level of arguing with your opponents in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► the public and one of the things he sort of got to he didn't he didn't quite come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► out and say Apple should hire a PR firm but he's sort of seen to insinuate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► they shouldn't talked about I think it's Wagner Ekstrom whatever it is with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2494">TS</a>]
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00:41:54 ◼ ► haven't hired one outside the one within the company which i think is a very a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2514">TS</a>]
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00:42:08 ◼ ► firms oh absolutely I mean I used to cover more the PC companies so when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► covered like dull and HP and Apple they all of them had outside agencies vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► apple and yeah apples is definitely different and I think it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► works for them I mean any journalist that's doubtful PR knows that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► be formidable they gonna get there was was getting out with that ragged would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► really go after you know people or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► you know exact competitors are other companies that spoke ill of Microsoft I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► think he gave like an anecdote about that and I mean I'd in my experience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► think that I think that things have changed a little bit with our PR you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► know since Tim Cook has become CEO but just a little bit and to me that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► doesn't seem like that requires a new home new tactic like what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► suggesting like by going to sit outside firm they are there to have that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► team of people that are looking out for the the Brandon pushing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► journalists and bloggers and I would guess I mean how many people do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► think working Apple PR gosh I don't know I mean I think like less than 50 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► fifty might not be a bad ballpark number like maybe somewhere between 25 and 50 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► guess definitely more than 25 but I think they'd be landing but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► surveyed PR firms nationwide that 25 to 50 PR firm is actually pretty good sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► yeah I guess I don't know how large PR firms actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► I don't know you know and I'm sure that the big ones that are truly big and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► and that the way that it works at the big ones is that when you have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► account like Microsoft or Dell you've got full-time people you know and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► that it's not that individual people who are working on your PR have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► attentions her loyalties between different companies but applies if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2665">TS</a>]
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00:44:35 ◼ ► single one of them is entirely focused solely apples and apples public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► relations and I you know a lot of them the ones I i kno are very very bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► people and I think they're very very good at their job right and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► I thought was interesting about the shower incident is before you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► none of them like speak for Apple right like they don't they're not there to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► quoted like before it was like Steve smoke and then no one else unless it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► like around like a product event or something so I think that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► shower thing caught so many people who covered appl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► off guard because that just isn't normal for you know someone that level to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► sort of be you know going off on competitors but don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► definitely don't make the mistake of thinking that it wasn't very very deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► considered you know it's not like the show just got a bug in it but to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► the wall street journal and no I mean clear that he contacted several chosen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► outlets and I get that for sure but on the other hand it's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► someone from Apple PR who's going to do the interviewing be quoted its not Katie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► cotton who's going to go and talk to the wall street journal not Steve Dowling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► it's gonna be either team cookers shelter and i think thats I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► there's a sort of credibility to that that's kind of mean whether you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► that children's comments were wise or not I do think that there's a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► integrity to shoulder saying saying look here I am saying these things it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► just us somebody from PR off the record putting it into a reporter's year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► having sources that Apple say this year's feel short going on the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► saying here's what I you know I think it's fragmented think that you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► think they're going to be using a year old operating system etcetera etcetera I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► think that you know here's me saying our numbers show four times more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► switch from Android type phone then iPhone to Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► so I think that's kind of interesting it is and I when I what I am more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► fascinated by is like this question is this question of like why does that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► below or something and I i had that reaction to just like guess I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► just it seems somehow like fun kuthe or because of the position that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► been in but when you think more about it and you think about other industries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► why why why shouldn't they be able to defend themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► yeah I think it's I think that this sort of revulsion to it is twofold I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► part of it is that Apple's had a couple of years here where their primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► products which I would define as the iPhone and iPad because that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► growth is not swear by far the most you know that I mean that's the whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► of labs last five years is not that the Mac hasn't been doing great too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► let's face it that's the heart and soul the company right now and that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► haven't had serious competition as what's the best product in this category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► right now for a couple of years and when you don't have competition news no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► competition to denigrate really and now they do i mean whatever used wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► you think the score is between the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy Poor s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► whichever one you think is you know right now leading the industry you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► to admit it close or closer than it's been ever since the iPhone came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► so I think now they have a target and and the other thing too is it Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► over the last year has really solidified its lead as Android premiered hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► developer I mean in terms of everything the number of units they sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► profits the revenue there is no metric that anybody else making Android devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► really compare Samsung right and without a rival there's nobody to you know say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► these things about and now they do out one and now they're doing it I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► second factor is that in the past it was always Steve Jobs who would stick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► knife in the opponent's back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► and eighty was Steve Jobs and had you know this sort of our about him this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► reputation as you know he's Steve Jobs you know he's going to say these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2931">TS</a>]
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00:49:04 ◼ ► backhanded compliment or the sort of you know even if it wasn't even a backhanded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► compliment if it was just an outright denigration doing it definitely right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► sort of don't I don't envy Phil Schiller having to to sort of follow in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► footsteps right and I can I can't even see the knife into seems like he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► comes across as too nice yeah and make sure to I don't know there was a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► streak to Steve Jobs that the other day at the the rest of the company doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► seem to have liked among his many guess he's so good at something one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► things that steve Jobs was just truly heinous act was trashing his competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► like he was even good at trashing the competition at next one next was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► struggling I mean in the market I mean he would trashed like let's say son and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► you'd listen to me think wow that's a real burnett's great and then you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► at the numbers and son was telling you know forty times more work stations the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► next was but like his trashing of Sun just seemed like he was good at I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► think sure that it but he's still you know it's still it's like you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3013">TS</a>]
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00:51:29 ◼ ► comes up and then as it comes up you want to catch fish then you want to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3089">TS</a>]
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00:51:49 ◼ ► shotgun and then you just shoot the fish in there so it's a three step process to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3109">TS</a>]
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00:57:26 ◼ ► Apple's just a few degrees off the proper course and we need to know just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3446">TS</a>]
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00:58:13 ◼ ► there was a camera where it was was it this week about how the Grand Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3493">TS</a>]
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01:05:51 ◼ ► key nodes to death but I do think though that a lot of the time you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► honest more ways than you think I think that for stalls pleasure in that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► truly genuine that he really thought this you know this is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► ya know I'm sure did alright so the other Apple wanted to talk about before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► we wrap up this show is Google keep just announced yesterday is it already is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► yesterday i cant we're recording this on Friday at Camp I know own wrote a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► about it and Marco responded in arms already responded to Marcos response but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► i think thats all happened within a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3986">TS</a>]
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01:06:36 ◼ ► was written in a nutshell Google keep is Google's take on ever I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► fair to say yes it's you know your note pictures I forget what other attachments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► they let you do and I would say the incident response was it was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► because I knew what I wanted to say and I was busy at the time you headed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► took me a couple hours to me to it and everybody had already beat me to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► which is you know oh great here's something new from the makers of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► Reader right I trust that to be around which i think was own steak right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► exactly it's like the trust as I may not exactly but that's part of his point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► like the trust is broken and I guess I'm sort of a sort of had that same attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► like I was one of the people that I was surprised at how I felt about them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► in Google Reader like I thought more emotion than I would think about a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► service being cancelled but it's because it's related to how I do my job and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► way to like that actually impacts me but something like like you never know or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► keeper you're like stuff you actually want to keep I get to see the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► like ironic that that's the first after they bring out after killing reader very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► personal and it's like stuff that you actually want to be around and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► to know where it is in one place and you you know it's a sort of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► you're going to get invested in it like if you use an app like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► that you know right it becomes part of your daily routine in system and yes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► their credit there's like an export so you can use Google keep a month and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► you decide I don't like this app you can export everything I don't forget what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► format it spits it out and that's that's great and you did not to use it if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► didn't have an export feature but let's just say eighteen months from now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► pull the plug on keep the same way they did reader it's not that you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► your data it's that your your habits are broken if you were devoted user of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► app now you've gotta look for something new your habits are all broken you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► got to find a new app you've got to find a way to import the stuff you exported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► etcetera and so forth right and going back to those charges of you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► if Apple did it to Parker see why I don't think there's a good example for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► that I can people you know I've seen some of the people starting at me and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► emails point out things like you know why should I trust something from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► makers of paying or mobile need you know web sharing or something like that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► think the difference with Google Reader is that the products that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► canceled have been ones that were I think generally everybody trees were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► failures and pink is a perfect example right when they pulled the plug on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► paying I mean I don't know that I saw one articles from owning the demise you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► know I'm sure that there were some people of course there's somebody out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► there who really loved him I don't know who you are but somebody without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► right you can't have it you can't be a company as big as Apple and not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► somebody love everything you do no matter how big her tits but when picking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► up pulled everybody was like well I didn't see that coming thing was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► didn't work out and you know and MobileMe is maybe not as perfect example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► I know that there were some people using the web sharing features that iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► doesn't have that now they have to find some other way to store their family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► photos or something like that way they could be shared but even there it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► like a beloved product where is Google Reader is truly beloved by at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► yeah that's the difference I agree I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► think that Apple made the choice in killing off sharing with me or being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► because suddenly like it didn't didn't necessarily fit with what they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► but had a big following right so if Apple comes out with some new after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► service and you know you have to decide am I gonna become a user of this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► devote my time to learning and they had it certainly part of it is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► you've got to think what is this thing you know is as Apple going to stay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► this and they don't stay with everything nobody stays with everything but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► at least without bail you can assume if its popular they're going to keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► around right whereas that's the thing that's the thing that I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► people who want to defend Google over pulling the plug on Google Reader don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► quite get the thing that has people upset is that it's seemingly popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► enough maybe told that it wasn't a huge part of the bottom line but there seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► like the popularity of Google Reader outweighs the cost to Google of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► keeping it going maintaining it let alone investing in actually improving if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► they just had kept it going as it was then let it languish like that how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► would it cost them right and I think would people will more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► you know Google trying to push people toward Google+ which I don't use I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► like no ones on it what i mean those are for everybody I don't you just try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► push people just product that is not nearly as popular when people see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► connection I think that's probably why there's two yeah and the other factor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► include that's what they want I guess and i cant do you think that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► factor in their decision to pull the plug on cool readers that they somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► want to just keep putting more carrots out there to draw people to Google+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► Google+ is not an RSS reader I think we're the only way they could work as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► its replacement in any way for reader is it more website started publishing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► content to Google+ but you don't do that through RSS you have to you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► instead of using this open format RSS that you just put on your site and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► anybody can read it and parse it and then you know people read it parts of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► thousand different ways they're asking you to to become Google+ publishers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► your stuff only through this proprietary you know social network which you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4375">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► I have no interest in doing with your entire body I I don't think I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► gotten a single request from somebody to publish during fireballs you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► Google+ for your your blog content but you've got a friend in on Google+ or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► added to the proper I created an account the day they came out and got them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► and they spoke to me it's like dark matter is I have 50,000 I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► 50,000 followers of the daring fireball account on Twitter which is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► automated feed of content from Darren fireball I mean that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► Twitter links are by far and away the biggest source of incoming traffic to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► doing terrible really other than just hits to the home page from people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► just you know go to the browser and just hit the home page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► seconded by far and away the biggest refers Twitter the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► interesting by Google keep to me is they don't have an iOS app do it's a web of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► course from Google so that you know there's a web interface that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► from a web browser but the only happy his friend right well I mister I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► assuming that would change seems like they would eventually bring it to us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► guess so but it is you know it's an interesting this is MOA is finding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► finding a way to bring their stuff to Apple's popular when they can but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► think over the last couple of years though they've done an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► stuff even though they are the company behind and great they've done a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► stuff iOS first like didn't they have the Gmail app for iOS before or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► the one for iOS got better before the 14 Android one friend rate was missing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► lot of features an eyeless got it first came out a couple of absurd I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► we're better first or at least came out at the same time on iOS and Android like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► there you know and and a couple people have pointed out recently that Google is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► the single most popular this measured by like downloads third-party developer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► the App Store oh yeah I haven't seen that number but I mean I believe it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► maps alone I i yet maps may be just the top three like maps I guess chrome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► you know that came out our YouTube I don't know maybe one of the new your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► YouTube and yeah you to YouTube Gmail are you baby just YouTube in that saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► I don't know I just do you think Google keep to me is it I looked at my watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► the video just looks like it has a weird interface doesn't it didn't makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► seem like the type of thing that should be super simple are you just make a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► attached a photo and it should be like that list of things and instead it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► like this weird almost like Windows Phone my list of where grid that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► understand the order is just the way it on the web interface or that I'm good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and right up which I said ok I don't know weird cocks convoluted interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► for something that should be super simple I don't have a use an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► phone since the G one that once again I have a phone I don't know so it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► seem really good fit in with the latest version of Android or not he thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► was just seemed weird even compared to that just seemed weird compared to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► because it didn't seem like it arranges the items in the list seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► ranges of integrated somehow which doesn't make any sense to me but i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► maybe I'm wrong place I'm curious to see whether it's going to be ahead or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► don't know I'm very I don't know what it is but I have a poor track record of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► predicting the successive products are usually my my my my basic ideas do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► it I get the idea so like I thought I predicted that Google Wave was gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► a done because I saw the demo i watch their presentation I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► what you're supposed to do it alone right and I you know and I thought if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► don't understand what you're supposed to do with this I don't see how it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► to be successful and it wasn't successful I'd when Google+ lost I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► thought I don't understand what you're supposed to use this for why you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► use it instead of you know Facebook or Twitter and you know it seemingly is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► know I don't think it's quite like Google Wave died but it doesn't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► have caught on like they were hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Google keep I understand what you're supposed to do it I do understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► idea of having a nap restore your notes in your pictures and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► stuff you want to remember later but I don't understand why you'd want to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► this app instead of something else that I also feel like it's an example Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwb7C4I/4674">TS</a>]
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