The Talk Show

37: Live from Úll 2013


00:00:00   we're sorry can you remember the last time I did a live talk show i think was [TS]

00:00:09   the last time they live on as the one at WEC and as mean cable sasser panicked or [TS]

00:00:16   SAT on Jesus Christ your present and and real I gotta know ten-fifteen minutes [TS]

00:00:22   and it's going great so the thing was dynamite and by phone goes off in my [TS]

00:00:27   pocket everybody knows I'm doing this what would text me and of course I took [TS]

00:00:33   it out and did the sliding front of the its its my wife saying that they closed [TS]

00:00:39   the bar jacket after her and Mike Monteiro we're going to keep my head i [TS]

00:00:46   interrupted the show and had them reopen the bars a car and they apparently did [TS]

00:00:50   it is like a courtesy to me and cable 232 quiet when I get the feeling as I [TS]

00:00:57   can be a problem in Ireland are still open right michael dobbs good to see if [TS]

00:01:05   there is a tornado warning this is actually not it is totally true is [TS]

00:01:11   totally true I'm told ya it's just how common or tornadoes first time that's [TS]

00:01:20   why did show up in my weather app [TS]

00:01:23   who's got a flight tonight I don't think they were driving me crazy if the thread [TS]

00:01:47   is a dramatic and you are solid but it was like every time I was looking at [TS]

00:01:51   what you know and I could see you and I can tell that you totally screwed [TS]

00:02:08   did not lose I use it as you call it losing the thread I did not but I have [TS]

00:02:13   you ever seen anybody lose the interesting to me it's what I give a [TS]

00:02:26   talk its have a series points and I do I do this thing now where I do write the [TS]

00:02:30   whole thing out in some form we're just read it but it never had just to get all [TS]

00:02:36   the thoughts that I have these bullet points and its I know that there's a [TS]

00:02:39   connection and the parties really weren't oh shit what's my next point is [TS]

00:02:46   I know what my next point but have I said I made all the jokes I want to make [TS]

00:02:50   on this one [TS]

00:02:51   they were killing me [TS]

00:02:54   I did forget one Geoghan is as great as having the talk show here I can do it is [TS]

00:03:00   the one joke I wanted to make and I thought it literally like 10 minutes [TS]

00:03:04   before I was going to go on at all that is perfect it's perfect job was towards [TS]

00:03:09   the end of my talk I was talking about my problems with the word uncompromising [TS]

00:03:14   and I wanted to say is I was gonna steal Michaels dick and say we're not you say [TS]

00:03:21   uncompromising I hear I don't know what the fuck I believe it to very good at is [TS]

00:03:30   one of the things that we need to actually talk Apple at the conference my [TS]

00:03:37   god right let's do that it's actually do it it's not news news I think it was [TS]

00:03:42   maybe like 10 days ago but it it's been an airplane stuff but Ron Johnson former [TS]

00:03:47   head of Apple Retail left like two years ago became the CEO of JCPenney [TS]

00:03:54   department us' department store chain I got fired [TS]

00:03:58   liked how would you describe JCPenney I i suspect for all of our european [TS]

00:04:03   audience members they probably don't see store [TS]

00:04:09   nothing in particular no yeah exactly so nothing particularly noteworthy about it [TS]

00:04:14   suffering because the price war and run into and then nowhere near as cheap as [TS]

00:04:23   wal-mart and doesn't look at is is more upscale but not truly upscale not like I [TS]

00:04:31   don't know which change you guys know but like Macy's and Bloomingdale's or [TS]

00:04:34   something like that [TS]

00:04:34   nordstrom's you guys probably don't know but North sounds like the best not it's [TS]

00:04:39   a game between like they didn't know if they were discounted in know if they're [TS]

00:04:42   nice the other big thing that they did and they were almost famous for in the [TS]

00:04:48   retailing I missus defied learned after Ron Johnson to the job at the JCPenney [TS]

00:04:52   had in all seriousness like two hundred and seventy-five sale like [TS]

00:05:00   so that's practically every single week day there'd be a new sale where this is [TS]

00:05:04   40 percent off and that's 30% off and that the only people who effectively [TS]

00:05:09   shop there were people who are like looking for bartenders so what do you [TS]

00:05:15   think I have some questions why why do you think he left to go there in the [TS]

00:05:20   first place I don't i didnt work with ramen I was really really smart guy but [TS]

00:05:25   I need my story I tell myself it's just like you kind of like built in the [TS]

00:05:29   retail giant stores like time to go do something something different right so [TS]

00:05:35   there was no scuttlebutt about like him as a problem there he was like he was in [TS]

00:05:39   a lot of dance when Apple team like Greece will transition and JCPenney also [TS]

00:05:47   probably a lot of people know but biographical your job career wise before [TS]

00:05:58   Apple he was at Target which was very successful so he was really wasn't just [TS]

00:06:03   the success of Apple it was like to street retail successes target and an [TS]

00:06:08   apple and then it was just like I mean we were talking about this before is [TS]

00:06:12   like what happened right is one of my theories that he didn't have the product [TS]

00:06:18   that was going to walk people into the stores JCPenney what do you know about [TS]

00:06:22   if you know anything about it was like what is the thing you go to an Apple [TS]

00:06:25   store if you want to do whatever it was he didn't have that thing that [TS]

00:06:29   compelling thing to get you walk in the front door so I was one of the things [TS]

00:06:33   that I just screwed right out of the gate with you don't have that can cause [TS]

00:06:38   then I think you could say that that Apple Retail stories all starts from [TS]

00:06:43   that foundation here's what we have these great products that we're very [TS]

00:06:48   proud of people want and will build everything else around that go into an [TS]

00:06:54   Apple store their famously this is well known as a build-up to museums right I [TS]

00:06:59   talked about this last load built up a museums are big huge wide open spaces [TS]

00:07:04   butcher block table it's everything is about being honoring the product right [TS]

00:07:08   and walking in there is this museum to the art building up there and see how do [TS]

00:07:12   you do that when you don't actually have that product you got like to show off [TS]

00:07:15   thats seems like one of the things he was struggling with target is is sort of [TS]

00:07:24   the opposite direction i think is targets like the sort of story go to buy [TS]

00:07:28   everything right target you from paper towels to you know a new basketball I [TS]

00:07:35   mean even so groceries and stuff there now and so it's sort of the opposite [TS]

00:07:39   problem they don't have to focus on anything but I feel like Jesse pennies [TS]

00:07:42   when they close the various parts that they don't have any unique thing right [TS]

00:07:48   the same terror levi's there you can get the other one but whatever he was doing [TS]

00:07:52   I mean do you think you had a good game and no I don't I feel like I i feel like [TS]

00:07:57   what happened to really weird and they weren't doing is true I mean and I guess [TS]

00:08:01   you know eventually you've gotta pull the plug on a CEO change but I think the [TS]

00:08:06   thing that's so bizarre is that they fired and replaced him with the guy who [TS]

00:08:11   was there before so like you know effectively their board it wasn't just [TS]

00:08:15   we are at work will hire you when I hired him two years ago we're gonna try [TS]

00:08:21   something new [TS]

00:08:22   we're gonna buy into your radical ideas to really change this company because we [TS]

00:08:26   need change because we're not doing that and in two years later they're like [TS]

00:08:29   let's go back to where we were right which day no such state of South right [TS]

00:08:35   we like our old sub as well i mean the stock was down like what fifty-one [TS]

00:08:41   percent or something like that I mean so disaster right but still it's like how [TS]

00:08:44   long they take apple to get back to you I'm happy state it was in ninety-seven [TS]

00:08:49   and 2002 the game along right that's a very good comparison like how long does [TS]

00:08:56   it take to turn around a big company that's gotten itself in the deep rut and [TS]

00:09:01   apples are graded example so two years after Steve Jobs came back with 99 right [TS]

00:09:06   so there's still two years away from the iPod no iTunes I mean effectively were [TS]

00:09:15   just selling max that were blue instead a page right i mean you know Pakistan [TS]

00:09:20   was still two years out it was in the works but you know it's the branding [TS]

00:09:24   campaign think different thing was going to say it up i mean this is something [TS]

00:09:28   that was amazing to me that Apple as you go in like a 97 video Q&A after one of [TS]

00:09:35   the events after one of the events and he sits down and he answers questions [TS]

00:09:42   and their hostile Hasan opened I ask me whatever you want and ends at the toll [TS]

00:09:53   at heart an hour and a half answering questions and if you go from now you [TS]

00:09:58   look at that taught you know all of the things he was thinking about going to be [TS]

00:10:01   networked like a cloud of the sort of thing he was really sketching it out and [TS]

00:10:06   then did it for the next ten years but it really took that long to get them [TS]

00:10:10   it's an amazing talk because you said you know I can't believe he's talking [TS]

00:10:14   about this in 1997 because he's describing you know like iPad and iCloud [TS]

00:10:19   today but it really took that long to get there and and you know I know that [TS]

00:10:24   JCPenney is not exactly an apples to oranges comparison with apple computer [TS]

00:10:29   right sorry but obviously it's a very different business but I still think [TS]

00:10:35   though that a lot of those things that take so long it takes long in any case [TS]

00:10:40   you know and and brand awareness is definitely one of them you know and [TS]

00:10:43   that's the thing that JCPenney was fighting with this idea that no one [TS]

00:10:47   really was nobody's favorite store right now and to change that I think two years [TS]

00:10:51   now that I think it's interesting but they were going to get someone got to me [TS]

00:10:57   that the old CEO is a political battle that someone would you like a frank back [TS]

00:11:02   the old stuff that makes you think I have no idea could be told him but it [TS]

00:11:07   makes me think that there was somebody you never run a Ron Johnson there in the [TS]

00:11:10   first place [TS]

00:11:11   so here's a question i've gotten from a surprising number of readers by email I [TS]

00:11:17   don't know how to answer because i dont game but you might have to do you think [TS]

00:11:23   there's any chance now that run Johnson would go back to Apple AAPL actually [TS]

00:11:26   doesn't have a retail chief right now I have no insider knowledge but it seems [TS]

00:11:31   makes total sense given the exit seemed like it was clean and in battle or any [TS]

00:11:35   sort of stalling so but it seemed like it was clean so given that the other guy [TS]

00:11:44   to find out it seems like it would be a surprise right and I do think in general [TS]

00:11:48   is unusual for someone like once you go to CEO once your title is CEO it's [TS]

00:11:55   pretty rare that you're ever gonna get another idol other than maybe chairman [TS]

00:11:58   or something you know you don't go back to being senior VP except Apple's sort [TS]

00:12:04   of a weird company where I feel like a plan or didn't so successful that Apple [TS]

00:12:08   senior vice presidents are sort of on par with CEOs of companies would make it [TS]

00:12:13   wouldn't surprise me but again as a what is why did you leave in the first place [TS]

00:12:16   was a big challenge to Apple retail right now it's everywhere right and you [TS]

00:12:24   know what is that next to go and do that [TS]

00:12:29   let me take a break and wanna thank the first of our sponsors and that is [TS]

00:12:38   amazing I honestly did not know this before we talk but it's our friends at [TS]

00:12:44   panic we've got seven million here and there [TS]

00:12:49   new app status now I showed you this and this is the truth you guys I mean you [TS]

00:12:54   actually think I'm full of it or not but I showed this to you before I knew that [TS]

00:12:57   they were sponsoring the show and well first I said oh they did tests for that [TS]

00:13:04   so yeah that's sort of what is everybody knows I a long time ago patent published [TS]

00:13:10   a blog post where they showed their little internal in their office this [TS]

00:13:13   status borden it showed like bug counts as unread messages in this report states [TS]

00:13:18   right really cool and of course it's panic so is beautiful everybody loved it [TS]

00:13:23   when they had the brilliant ideas and we made this and realize it was making a [TS]

00:13:26   product and we did and it's great new iPad app that lets you make your own [TS]

00:13:30   status ports and it's sort of like Lego like widgets where you can just pick [TS]

00:13:36   these precise things like one of them you can hook up to an email account or [TS]

00:13:40   one of them you can hook up to a Twitter feed you have to come in [TS]

00:13:44   you can get obvious stuff like weather stuff like that and it's extensible [TS]

00:13:50   they've got if your inner Jew wanna know now you can hook it up to any almost any [TS]

00:13:54   arbitrary thing that could be graphed or data size with a little bit of you know [TS]

00:14:00   coding and work but the preset stuff alone is going on that so we've talked [TS]

00:14:06   about the the eye right product have sort of you you have the idea actually [TS]

00:14:11   identify a beautiful product in outside of Apple which companies do you think [TS]

00:14:16   have the ability to like build quality products obviously panic is one of those [TS]

00:14:21   but what are the other ones you like whoa it's almost like when you finish [TS]

00:14:25   the sponsor [TS]

00:14:27   you can customize and maybe that's what you want to do is set up an iPad and run [TS]

00:14:45   it but it also does airplay video out see you that's not a TV show that the TV [TS]

00:14:52   you can hook it up to a giant sixty-foot plasma thing in your office or your home [TS]

00:14:57   or whatever and have you know totally cool absolutely in the App Store you go [TS]

00:15:04   to find out more [TS]

00:15:05   their website panic dot com slash status board I'll bet if you just go to panic [TS]

00:15:11   not comin home page there's a big probably really cool animation to make [TS]

00:15:16   me sick it's 10 bucks in the app story and it is amazing amazing deal who else [TS]

00:15:23   who has that hi laurin trigger yet learned richter definitely not the guide [TS]

00:15:28   letter press refresh you hire is there anyway I was worried that he's building [TS]

00:15:39   a team you know how the top by guys right and then there's obviously he's [TS]

00:15:50   super strongly opinionated but they know like they have their athletic in their [TS]

00:15:57   head and they know they know and when they've got it right to shortlist put me [TS]

00:16:06   on the spot [TS]

00:16:06   yeah yeah yeah iContact iContact ya names out at sea [TS]

00:16:18   you see I would say only group makes great software [TS]

00:16:23   no I'm neither makes great software but I don't look at it like when we talk [TS]

00:16:26   about the I it's it's it's a certain look at it and to me on the group [TS]

00:16:30   software does not jump out and that way it's great for software doesn't have [TS]

00:16:34   that like final degree of Polish you know the panic guys it's like cables [TS]

00:16:39   like it's working on that one round corners like just a great director yes [TS]

00:16:47   yes yes yes so is a good example and i think thats exactly and and you know [TS]

00:16:56   this is the lingo that Michael and I used talking about the eye and so is a [TS]

00:17:00   great example where they had kaleidoscope and then what else did so [TS]

00:17:04   fast versions right the version control at all and that is all that super that's [TS]

00:17:10   actually a super panicky thing to do is panic even though they make these [TS]

00:17:14   friendly very very attractive AB some of them are super nerdy like FTP app [TS]

00:17:21   working on FTP absence like 1997 super nerdy thing file transferred as UNIX [TS]

00:17:27   servers right and they let's do it really really pretty versions is a great [TS]

00:17:31   example of that sort of thing let's take one of the nerdiest technologies in the [TS]

00:17:35   world version control and let's make it really look at it and you look at other [TS]

00:17:40   GUI version control apps I mean I mean I'm not saying they're bad but there [TS]

00:17:44   they look like command line up brought to light tower is it is a great app [TS]

00:17:51   that's another one that is the same sort of approach but the sofa guys are [TS]

00:17:56   interesting because what struck me was and I think they're still on the hunt [TS]

00:18:00   but but the guys who've the acquisitions that Facebook has made over the last two [TS]

00:18:05   years or so have largely been specifically about what you and I called [TS]

00:18:11   the I Mike Mattison the push pop press guys made it is exactly like that and [TS]

00:18:17   you can tell that they had a lot to do with the Facebook home thing is Mike [TS]

00:18:21   mattresses thing is this version too but he really wants he really thinks the [TS]

00:18:26   whole touch screen thing should have a few buttons as possible [TS]

00:18:30   and so the Facebook thing doesn't have any buttons like it's actually interact [TS]

00:18:34   you think about it like no no it doesn't you just drag your little avatar around [TS]

00:18:38   me maybe that counts is about them but you don't just happen everything is [TS]

00:18:43   motion stuff but I do think that that but but I actually think that that was [TS]

00:19:34   sort of some of the stress inside the only group when he was there because he [TS]

00:19:37   was a co-founder and he was there for a long time but I feel like he wanted to [TS]

00:19:42   go and that's delicious directions visually this exuberant visual design [TS]

00:19:47   and it didn't fit with the rest of the way the only group wanted to make stuff [TS]

00:19:52   which is a little bit more straightforward exuberant is the word [TS]

00:19:57   that comes to go back to a political backed out but here's the other thing I [TS]

00:20:05   want to talk to you about so there'd been no product releases from Apple this [TS]

00:20:09   year [TS]

00:20:09   yeah this is the one that April 14 April for what is what is actually this two [TS]

00:20:15   things that worry me there's April 14th and nothing has come out there were [TS]

00:20:18   sitting here in gaza about [TS]

00:20:20   but the other one that worries me is the buzz machine about the next thing [TS]

00:20:24   whatever that might be talking about either i mean there's the watch but it [TS]

00:20:28   was kinda goes watch ok maybe but it's like to me there's a dearth of like [TS]

00:20:33   gossip going on right now that worries me what do you think I don't know I [TS]

00:20:39   think it's definitely curious I think part of it is they really do they [TS]

00:20:47   generally I think want to have stuff on a somewhat annual schedule and they like [TS]

00:20:52   having a new version of the iPhone every year last three years [TS]

00:21:00   first one the original event was at the end of February but it can come out to [TS]

00:21:04   the first week of May four years in a row and roughly March but what they did [TS]

00:21:10   last year was they had this we're going where they did 16 months after the [TS]

00:21:14   previous one and I do feel that at a certain level it's just as simple as [TS]

00:21:19   well in general would like it to be annual but when we're ready we're ready [TS]

00:21:23   you know and if the one phone took 18 months and threw them off this June [TS]

00:21:28   schedule well so be it we're gonna wait to get it right and if they also could [TS]

00:21:33   do and new generation iPad just six months later after the other one where [TS]

00:21:37   they're not going to wait wait wait because you know their competitors are [TS]

00:21:40   done away but in hindsight as we keep going and there's been no new iPad and [TS]

00:21:48   margin makes me think that one of the reasons they put that iPad with the new [TS]

00:21:53   dock connector out last year a new is going to be on the market [TS]

00:21:56   blogger yeah I don't know it seems it's it's it's it's it's curious to me it's [TS]

00:22:01   the other way that I have is it's the thing that they have to prove to the [TS]

00:22:06   entire planet they have to be able to do that new thing without steven has to be [TS]

00:22:11   everything that's come out it's been derivative of an existing saying whether [TS]

00:22:15   it's a mini is clearly came from the game plan that first new leg on the [TS]

00:22:22   stool that's the one [TS]

00:22:24   right but until you see that it was kind of like I do think it's a coincidence I [TS]

00:22:32   just think it's coincidental timing but I think it's very bad timing for Apple [TS]

00:22:36   that they've hit this dry patch but maybe just a part where nothing is ready [TS]

00:22:42   yet at a time where perception was out in the world there is an awful lot of [TS]

00:22:48   see they can't do it without incident I do think it's a coincidence but I think [TS]

00:22:54   it's really unfortunate one because I feel like now is when they realize a [TS]

00:22:58   killer new products [TS]

00:23:00   a week ago I carry a part in the March within just what the doctor ordered for [TS]

00:23:05   the company do you think we were here is a question do you think now that we've [TS]

00:23:12   gotten through April and it doesn't look like anything's coming in April who [TS]

00:23:15   knows maybe got an email saying I don't think so where's Jim Jim 108 here [TS]

00:23:22   talking Apple do you think that we've gotten through and clearly the iPad new [TS]

00:23:33   iPad coming out in the schedule the last few years with a sneak it in in May [TS]

00:23:38   before WWDC or is it like if not now wait for WWE is talking about cuz we all [TS]

00:23:46   collectively have these long conversations at like it somehow I know [TS]

00:23:50   how it leads to other people but like little bit since it's coming out and we [TS]

00:23:54   start having this conversation W three days now and I have any conversation [TS]

00:23:59   about right so that that tree buzz generating think whether it's deliberate [TS]

00:24:06   or not doesn't currently exist so to me that means there's nothing imminent [TS]

00:24:10   that's gonna be then maybe they're just maybe like he was talking about on [TS]

00:24:13   whatever he was on sixty minutes maybe he's really clamped down and really [TS]

00:24:17   liked it down which would be amazeballs but [TS]

00:24:20   but I do your word and that would be great but you know i mean bigger it [TS]

00:24:31   would be the first time for everything else there's it's not the news been like [TS]

00:24:34   an explicitly we sort of built together the picture over the like two months [TS]

00:24:38   before it actually arrived well it could be up to tell whether the tabloids a [TS]

00:24:44   good example beware somehow it was I think it was it was the timing of it was [TS]

00:24:49   that Steve Jobs was on a medical leave of absence and came back in the summer [TS]

00:24:55   and it was just somehow everybody at apple just sort of knew that Steve's [TS]

00:25:01   back and what he's doing is the tablet right he's committed to it and it was [TS]

00:25:06   from summer until February and that's when they shipped it was the iPad so [TS]

00:25:09   nobody knew exactly what it looked like there were no screenshots that leaked [TS]

00:25:12   the hardware leads yet nobody really knows everybody you know is it going to [TS]

00:25:19   be going to be this size is gonna be this size is going to be picked is going [TS]

00:25:24   to be then nobody really knows that they did keep that under wraps but the fact [TS]

00:25:33   that they're working on a tablet was no I mean that everything exactly we had [TS]

00:25:38   like some approximation of what it might be [TS]

00:25:40   and right now we're talking about wages and I think I thought to the white thing [TS]

00:25:47   to watch thing I I don't really think that it might just be like to joke like [TS]

00:25:54   somebody at Apple is obviously told a few reporters [TS]

00:25:57   Bloomberg somebody was a greater sources close to the company [TS]

00:26:01   200 hundred johnnie over 200 engineers working on a watch and it's like a [TS]

00:26:05   hundred engineers are really really think it so maybe like a joke to get [TS]

00:26:13   Samsung to make watching pink and black [TS]

00:26:24   you know like Tim Cook is like talking to him and they're like what we've got [TS]

00:26:29   another factor here in simpson's using it to make watches and then they like I [TS]

00:26:40   really kind of thing and then when the stories came out to everybody was [TS]

00:26:57   talking about and and news is you know i watch Techmeme top stories about it bob [TS]

00:27:03   i watch is in any way to really were story I'm not making enough where it was [TS]

00:27:06   like so many Google was walking on watches to their very smart watches out [TS]

00:27:15   of this rumor that Apple is I really don't think it's wearing a watch right [TS]

00:27:19   now [TS]

00:27:24   what do you think the single biggest problem with the whole idea of a balloon [TS]

00:27:28   launches you go into a real watched or there are like one side mens watches [TS]

00:27:35   other side ladies watches and there's a reason for that right why what is [TS]

00:27:40   happening to you don't go out and buy a lady's iPods and iPads right they make [TS]

00:27:45   products that make products that appeal to everybody and see how you do that [TS]

00:27:50   with a watch me before I don't think they are really good at building fashion [TS]

00:27:57   items and I think they any company could build something which would be universal [TS]

00:28:01   appeal to so maybe I'm just like the imagination to imagine a universal watch [TS]

00:28:07   but you agree though that they'd only do 10 yeah I've never done this before but [TS]

00:28:15   my other theory on is that it's just the new iPod Nano maybe it comes with a [TS]

00:28:21   wrist strap could be a problem I see with this is the display technology as I [TS]

00:28:29   do wear a watch but that's because I want to glance at my wrist and I want to [TS]

00:28:32   see the time immediately right now and I do not want to turn down so I the way [TS]

00:28:36   that people where the old iPod Nano is a watch kinda cool looks cool [TS]

00:28:40   would drive me nuts so you gotta hit a button to turn it off but like a bright [TS]

00:28:45   colorful LCD screen will suck the battery right can't leave it on so then [TS]

00:28:49   like the pebble guys are using you can treat it like you know what's going on [TS]

00:28:59   there I can see the interesting things being on the screen but it seems like [TS]

00:29:03   more complex and thats should be simple case that I haven't yet imagined I [TS]

00:29:12   imagine that if there really is smoke to this fire it's it may well be at thing [TS]

00:29:18   you put on your risk but is not a watch right right right stop thinking of it as [TS]

00:29:21   a watch in terms of race and there's tons of opportunities we also run apps [TS]

00:29:27   and stuff like that right [TS]

00:29:28   panic status watch [TS]

00:29:30   rights we many awesome I'm emails will have the product that they've had the [TS]

00:29:44   longest run without a release macro exactly this is our audience right these [TS]

00:29:53   are guys around in Xcode and 17 display right and it actually matters so it's [TS]

00:29:58   you know I looked it up before the show started the last Mac Pro was released [TS]

00:30:04   and 2001 been 12 years give or take [TS]

00:30:12   right when I think its 2009 2008 and had like upgrade last year there was like [TS]

00:30:21   but it's still the same ideas to the cheese grater it's so much better you [TS]

00:30:27   look at an hour after you looking like the American like that is but it's the [TS]

00:30:30   people love it [TS]

00:30:33   expandability people who I remember and this is what I will when I really get in [TS]

00:30:38   touch with the demand for the the Mac Pro is when I'm hanging out with [TS]

00:30:42   developers a place like this [TS]

00:30:43   developers truly truly line if they say they came out with the top of the line [TS]

00:30:50   Intel best chips intel has best fastest thing they could make tomorrow not [TS]

00:30:55   really fast enough is it really a true truth about writing code in doing [TS]

00:30:59   certain really you know Photoshop and stuff like that I remember at WWDC last [TS]

00:31:06   year people coming up to me and they'd be like hey Johnny do you think I don't [TS]

00:31:15   even buy one in certain countries in Europe anymore right because did that [TS]

00:31:19   you guys are going out there is a new law that passed about what is it the [TS]

00:31:25   fans or something [TS]

00:31:28   right but it's all there is no longer compliant with the laws for making [TS]

00:31:39   computers in the EU and demanded yes I do you think it's the thing I think [TS]

00:31:47   about it is it's there so into what they've learned with the iPhone and the [TS]

00:31:51   iPad you can even see them back in the areas of simplicity you don't want to [TS]

00:31:55   have to configure it and it hurts like is right and that that that world is [TS]

00:32:01   something that they're not modeling for a model for everything you need [TS]

00:32:07   it's perfect right just go with it so I'm sure that there's a lot of people to [TS]

00:32:10   be very clear about that I used to run part of the Pakistan 17 so we love to [TS]

00:32:14   take her stuff but it's not it's this is in his worries people as it's not it's [TS]

00:32:19   not as much to go on and that's moving away from that and I think it really [TS]

00:32:24   shows how even though Apple you know by market cap is biggest company world's [TS]

00:32:28   second biggest doing really well as an incredible head count even if you [TS]

00:32:32   subtract all the retail people big big company it's gotten bad but they're not [TS]

00:32:38   run like most big companies where there's these glow divisions within the [TS]

00:32:43   company and any other company or the way people would think out will be run [TS]

00:32:47   there'd be somebody who runs the Mac Pro division and the Mac Pro division would [TS]

00:32:51   only make macros and so they're going to keep coming out with them on a regular [TS]

00:32:55   basis because that's the whole you know if they don't they're they're gonna lose [TS]

00:32:58   their jobs and there isn't anybody like that of Apple and its like they've only [TS]

00:33:03   got so much attention and their attention is clearly not on Mac Pro yeah [TS]

00:33:07   there's demand out there but I would buy a new Mac Pro right now [TS]

00:33:13   yeah [TS]

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00:35:44   money you type into the talk show for Lexus alright I'm actually done this is [TS]

00:36:00   the last show and I'm out right now but in Word home is where the audience we're [TS]

00:36:13   here at that will come from Dublin Ireland with the accent the right you [TS]

00:36:18   have to hold down the three key on the keyboard to get it it's very confusing [TS]

00:36:22   it's Sunday now you know you can just hold down the EU nao posso you have the [TS]

00:36:28   new thing and the Mac is like the iPad where you can do you like I'm going to [TS]

00:36:32   ya [TS]

00:36:36   dolly's side of you did you memorize a bunch of keystrokes for some of the [TS]

00:36:48   weird characters myself here I still remember all the WordPress and WordPress [TS]

00:36:54   that's perfect wordperfect I know I can imagine that that's how is ingrained in [TS]

00:37:00   my head [TS]

00:37:01   the ones that I have are the ones for curly quotes apostrophes in quotes [TS]

00:37:07   because it's not a hard programming challenge but it was it took it took [TS]

00:37:11   until eight the year 2004 like smart clothes to become like usable and layout [TS]

00:37:16   application so if you did any kind of graphic design you'd never typed [TS]

00:37:20   apostrophes and questioned the shift command control bracket oh yeah and I [TS]

00:37:30   used to I used to do it and Twitter now died phone makes it really easy you just [TS]

00:37:36   hold the key and then you can slide over and get the curly quote but I used to [TS]

00:37:39   tape Fairley's in my tweets by hand that way and then tweet but added it is a [TS]

00:37:44   future and it was like such a hassle it's so much nicer did you take that [TS]

00:37:52   yeah we speak together a couple conferences year I've never conference [TS]

00:38:01   yeah it's really time we see exactly have never actually been in a scene [TS]

00:38:06   where your house is rooming houses and everybody we've all been and I tell you [TS]

00:38:12   I can get it you know but everybody [TS]

00:38:19   you work their place but all the speakers keep emphasizing my god what [TS]

00:38:35   thank you to Paul and determine what a great conference but why the women there [TS]

00:38:41   is something going on here like everybody just says it's great and we [TS]

00:38:44   all seem to acknowledge it's great and it really does seem like the attendees [TS]

00:38:47   are happy but what is it I i cant quite I'm not quite sure I see what this has [TS]

00:38:54   to do with the I they were talking about earlier which is sort of attention to [TS]

00:38:58   detail that they have to do is like you know you can sense by the typography [TS]

00:39:04   that they care about its not just thrown together it's like oh this is a little [TS]

00:39:13   bit but you know it's it's it's that sort of thing that close altogether so [TS]

00:39:19   when you're looking up at like I was commenting on the projector from the [TS]

00:39:22   event twenty by forty screen is that right and just like great looks great [TS]

00:39:29   attention to detail that I think it's one thing on the great speakers and and [TS]

00:39:35   its but it's a lot [TS]

00:39:38   yeah these figures are great choices [TS]

00:39:48   another thing I thought I was blown away by the year over year I know I said this [TS]

00:39:54   when I was on stage but that last year was great and the fact that I came back [TS]

00:39:58   is proof that I thought it was good and worth coming back to you but I really [TS]

00:40:03   can't believe one year over another [TS]

00:40:05   how much improved and I do feel I feel like it suited that level of attention [TS]

00:40:11   to detail is suited to the audience of people making apps for these [TS]

00:40:16   obsessive-compulsive pixel perfect designs of course we're gonna wanna come [TS]

00:40:22   to the conference where they sent a guide to Japan to find wood to make that [TS]

00:40:26   logo right everybody here is a great I was really well done these are nice [TS]

00:40:34   bhajan any ground real-world house at a conference in the senate go to Japan to [TS]

00:40:37   find little chips would kind of an asshole here seem normal that it made [TS]

00:40:52   sense at the time when I get your parents really far away from where the [TS]

00:41:01   badges result was sort of a sensory sort of papers and also if it does seem you [TS]

00:41:15   know it seems perfectly suited to this city the right conference in the rates [TS]

00:41:20   are you feel a little bit of the right nerds like these are people who care [TS]

00:41:28   about what they're doing [TS]

00:41:29   you know I love being a double so [TS]

00:41:37   by Iran's by yesterday I would remember but what time was it for you and i three [TS]

00:41:44   years now have pondered the idea may be jointly producing a conference oh yeah [TS]

00:41:49   yeah don't like talking a lot of drinkin and it's you know there's no you [TS]

00:41:58   probably know but it's a great idea right but one of the big ideas we've [TS]

00:42:08   done a lot of thinking and talking over where would we have been part of it all [TS]

00:42:13   really stems from South by Southwest yes which is the first place we really were [TS]

00:42:17   going on a regular basis [TS]

00:42:19   wright also haven't been back in a few years it's kinda used to be amazing to [TS]

00:42:28   be truly amazing was bigger than all but in the early days the web part of it was [TS]

00:42:35   closed in a spirit you know and and really the same sort of interactions in [TS]

00:42:39   the same sort of friendships are formed from that you know and the same type of [TS]

00:42:45   speakers and the same sort of I just saw somebody give it talking in right after [TS]

00:42:50   that a talk that even better but also part of what made South by Southwest [TS]

00:42:57   great with Austin Austin was great yes we talk that up until one idea we had an [TS]

00:43:03   almost back to the professional show before we thought about what we have a [TS]

00:43:07   conference in Vegas [TS]

00:43:10   and we've mentioned this to people I work to do in a tech conference might [TS]

00:43:15   have the biggest and then it's bifurcate right right so we say Michael I was [TS]

00:43:22   thinking maybe we were doing in Vegas and then having people are like where do [TS]

00:43:28   I send my money and the other half the grossest thing I've ever why would you [TS]

00:43:34   do that do it anywhere else have it anywhere else in the world why would you [TS]

00:43:39   want me to go there it's a fake city city that's the thing about it I think [TS]

00:43:45   the people first of its really easy to get there any from the state you can get [TS]

00:43:48   there really easily but I think there's it's just it's built out of the middle [TS]

00:43:52   of the desert and there's like you know some of our favorite places to speak [TS]

00:43:55   just soaking in their culture in Vegas right now it's beautiful and I love it [TS]

00:44:01   there but it's like you're like wow this person just threw up on my kids [TS]

00:44:06   well one of my favorite stories about Vegas and it's a new thing is there's a [TS]

00:44:16   new breed of panhandlers but people trying to hustle money on the street and [TS]

00:44:22   the old one [TS]

00:44:23   no no no no no not those guys know but the old one was still there is people [TS]

00:44:28   who are wearing illegal no copyright [TS]

00:44:33   mickey mouse to bed like this really gross looking like really gross like [TS]

00:44:40   clear you know obviously Disney is not selling the real Mickey Mouse costumes [TS]

00:44:43   to people to dress up so it's a it's just like roseanne my eyes are dead and [TS]

00:44:50   then you see someone letting they're like little sweet little three-year-old [TS]

00:44:53   girl who is this the same thing in Times Square New York they have these guys and [TS]

00:44:58   superheroes and mickey mouse and the fact that that's all they're still there [TS]

00:45:02   but the new one and this says everything there is to say about Vegas new one is [TS]

00:45:08   kicked me in the nuts for $20 [TS]

00:45:11   going on do it was there with with my life and we saw the first guy with the [TS]

00:45:24   sign it look like a college kid you know and it didn't look he did not look like [TS]

00:45:28   homeless he just looked like hipster and and had a sign at five bucks [TS]

00:45:35   $20 and we thought our first thought wasn't that it was legit we thought [TS]

00:45:42   maybe it was like a college fraternity hazing thing like you gotta walk down [TS]

00:45:46   the strip holding the sign is not returning budget deal with the people [TS]

00:45:50   and then you go like there's another guy and this guy signs keep me in the night [TS]

00:45:54   $20 no cup [TS]

00:46:03   well no cuz she went she would never kick a stranger in the night she would [TS]

00:46:12   like a list of things I gotta get down this list but the thing that really [TS]

00:46:22   caught my mind about that was what is is more disturbing the guy was doing this [TS]

00:46:31   for 20 bucks a pop or the guy and you know is mostly guys the guy who's gonna [TS]

00:46:36   say yes I'm gonna pay you $20 200 bucks and attend time if you're still standing [TS]

00:46:43   there for what what type of low-grade psychopaths you've to be a stranger and [TS]

00:46:53   for the women out there getting kicked in the nuts is horrified it is really [TS]

00:47:01   it's really painful we were talking about the physics of it like how much [TS]

00:47:05   would you want the total go to maximize the kids and it's just so i understand [TS]

00:47:11   like that to me and that also to me emphasizes the gross-out factor always [TS]

00:47:17   sounds like a cool conference but it's in Las Vegas but to me the parts that [TS]

00:47:21   are would be cool about it maybe maybe would be the fact that there's so much [TS]

00:47:28   space everything's been right so if everybody in the conference decides to [TS]

00:47:34   go out and have a few beers afterwards it's actually room for everybody you [TS]

00:47:39   know I mean it's there it's a party place I was worried that we'd lose Lee [TS]

00:47:42   three quarters where people could write like this guy like how [TS]

00:47:50   however sparsely attended the morning sessions are usually right for like [TS]

00:47:59   we're gonna wrap up Friday night we'll see all of you [TS]

00:48:02   Sunday at three have a good time I do that the guy who come in like an open [TS]

00:48:18   book open that kick in the mag well we got some gifts here with us and getting [TS]

00:48:50   somebody went to the bookstore to draw your own background [TS]

00:49:03   and we got a ticket to the lottery which we can from family jewels to friendly [TS]

00:49:30   fire what we say what we mean wow pretty good thank you I want to thank everybody [TS]

00:49:44   has been thinkin Paul and I want to thank all of you because this is a very [TS]

00:49:49   small room is very warm and most of you are standing and I cannot even tell you [TS]

00:49:54   how much I appreciate your willingness to stand and listen to this amazing [TS]

00:49:58   crowd what makes a conference just 24 circle is the people right and that's [TS]

00:50:02   what makes it what was great about south highway that has affected you go and you [TS]

00:50:06   meet these people that you want to hang and people would stand and wait for the [TS]

00:50:09   fire marshal to be like you can't stand here and leaving this people right thank [TS]

00:50:16   you there is not kicker got down there thirty-year 30 thank you thank you [TS]