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00:01:15 ◼ ► is its gift was about to ask you how you pronounce Gia Lai pressing gift as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/75">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► its I know that it stands for graphics interchange format so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► there's a reason to stand on that and it ends it ends up that the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► invented it pronounces it Jeff and all the diff people say well if he invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► and he calls it Jeff it must be Jeff and I say no it's gift I don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/96">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► this is like a George Lucas scenario I get some point that you got to override [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► the creator we're not changing the format know right I'm not I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/105">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► redefined what the gif interchange you know graphics format is I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/111">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► rendered it technically you know some kind of incompatibility I'm just telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/117">TS</a>]
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00:02:05 ◼ ► know what I respect you for creating this thing or working at the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/125">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► that created this thing but you're you're just wrong on this also Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/129">TS</a>]
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00:02:18 ◼ ► butter but it is a very popular peanut butter whereas gif is out there for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► taking there is no gift it's unambiguous if you if you say that this image format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/142">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► is gonna be pronounced gif than any time you hear judge if you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/147">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► talking about peanut butter and not an image format I'll go even further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/151">TS</a>]
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00:02:44 ◼ ► word with Ag why not go the unambiguous route and use the G in the Hartge format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► where there is no other letter that makes that sound and if you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► soft G sound use it jack and can also when you when you hear gift there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I'm big on how its spelt exactly exactly exactly I tell you to get a gift find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/180">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► you don't even know what it is well how are you gonna write that down I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/187">TS</a>]
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00:03:26 ◼ ► might even still said I don't get a chance to see it very often so not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► positive on that but I still say PNG format for the ambiguity of reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/209">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► think I don't know I'm not quite sure I think ping ping involved so late in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/214">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► game relative that I was already sort of working by myself most of the time by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► the time PNG became widely used whereas whereas with Jeff and see if that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/225">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► what I was like collaborating working with people and so I had to say it'll I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► don't remember saying PNG let you like working a whole loan you can you not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/238">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► can avoid saying everything out loud except when your podcast or speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► somewhere in my head though I think of it as a PNG yeah it just seems right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► pincus already mean something computers and business people stole it to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► something even worse I'll ping you later talked about our action items they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/259">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► download they still so many things terrible speaking of business people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/269">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► Windows Live they're they're like phasing out that brand and their faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► and their totally getting rid of the Hotmail brand saw something on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/280">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► last night I went to bed about that i truly a billion people on some double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/285">TS</a>]
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00:04:56 ◼ ► time even long after gmail has released I believe it might still be the largest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/296">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► up their gmail has always been third place there but especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► worldwide if you go past the USA heading gmail is more popular in the USA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/308">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► worldwide it gets worse 44 Gmail but it's crazy like Hotmail was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/311">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► mass scale web and that name is now going to be totally gone but a Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/319">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► change the name of their online consumer service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► like every five years just like when to when did Windows Live start with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► with Xbox Live after that who knows what was at seven or eight years ago they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► started that that's all gonna be gone and out of going to outlook.com and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► knows what else that's not very interesting doesn't have their shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/340">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► together in terms of getting acquisitions on brand like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/348">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► the hot nothing if your gonna do that why not do it years ago why wait 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► years I'm not really sure microsoft knows what theyre branding is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/359">TS</a>]
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00:06:12 ◼ ► disorder really shutting windows in your face more like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► adding the word windows to the names of all the programs that they made their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/375">TS</a>]
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00:06:26 ◼ ► things at the same thing with office so now it's like Microsoft Office Word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Microsoft Office Excel which is just kind of clumsy and I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► really know what the goal there was except like to beat people over the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► with the fact that its windows they are using an office at this is a part of but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/399">TS</a>]
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00:06:46 ◼ ► clumsy yeah I've always interpreted that from the outside as being bomber bomber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► thanks that Windows winner has Windows makes a lot of money and Windows clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/411">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► and so we just take him insisting that everything is Windows whereas it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/418">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► even make any sense you know like I've said this before like 10 with this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► thing where they contribute to call Metro after they lost in a metro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► they still call it you know when does but it doesn't even the whole thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/430">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► the new UI is that it doesn't even involve windows I mean little window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/434">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► lower lower case W windows I mean it was at least the name windows at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/440">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► applied to the software originally it was hey here's the thing you put on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► computer and everything runs in a rectangle that's called a window and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► can have a lot to you know and everything's in these records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► overlapping rectangles called windows if they lost that long I'm even even back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/457">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► with Windows CE and then became Pocket PC and then Windows Mobile 2003 read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/463">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► that too but even that like it looked like windows but I think everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/470">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► full screen once I think so I think it was sort of like Windows it it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/476">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► like the windows Chrome but you couldn't couldn't make the windows over and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► they crammed in there was another example of them overusing the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► brand in the windows theme of windows everywhere like they they crammed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► start menu and crammed in like the little minimize and close buttons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/492">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► title bars and so you really get looked like windows but it didn't really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/496">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► devices of that size and to me it makes even less sense for the online stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► yeah because when I mean obviously know there are thinking of the word windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/507">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► in the lower case W way they haven't thought about that way for a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/512">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► time you know they they own network now it's like a weird extra superfluous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/516">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► level of higher tho branding lies where why not just emphasize Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/523">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► right there is the thing that you can get that everybody's heard of and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/528">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► already familiar and it you know you know it's it's a well-known popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► brand I mean I know for years and years in a Microsoft Worldwide Brands survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/538">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► was like top three ranked ahead of Apple and Google like up there with a Coke and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► something else I never understood why they didn't emphasize that more because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► you're right that they've been driving home the windows brand for four years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► hard but I don't think it really sticks of people get you ask people you know do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/559">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► you have a Windows computer a bit more people would not really know what to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/564">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► to that but if you ask them if they had a Microsoft computer actually people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/569">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► don't really care about the windows brand right so if you want something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► parlay your new product your new initiative here's a new thing we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► doing we're doing online services when I just stick with the company instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► you know going two dollars even having Microsoft Windows Live now you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► these two levels of branding higher everything's under Windows or Office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► took your hard drive and put everything in one folder at the root level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/596">TS</a>]
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00:10:16 ◼ ► higher ticket doesn't make any sense they always have this kind of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/616">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► kind of think something may be in the water up there and you'll like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► seems like Microsoft lives in a slightly different reality than the rest of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► when it comes to things like branding and marketing of their stuff and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► seems like you can tell that they like in their world of Redmond and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/636">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► various office campuses and everything like in their world where all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► people live and hang out and talk to each other this all makes perfect sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and then when you when you get like some kind of a weird new commercial out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► there or some kind of weird new product and they come up with the rest the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/654">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► what a little bit off you know it's like if you ever spent any time in in western [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/660">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Pennsylvania especially northwestern Pennsylvania in the Erie region almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► everything there is just a little bit off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/672">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► pittsburgh is a pretty nice place where western Pennsylvania Northwest I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► college there and there's been quite a lot of time there it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/682">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► Microsoft could be headquartered there it's very much like the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► just a little bit off his friends a little off to the side I was joking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/689">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► Amy the pittsburgh is a little bit likes the simpsons Springfield it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► sequestered half half part of all mostly part of modern North American pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/703">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► culture but has its own stuff like and and the best example is the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► Springfield as Duff Beer they've got the Iron City Beer and pizza which you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/714">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► buy nowhere else no one else carries Iron City Beer and in Pittsburgh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/719">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► everywhere its Budweiser and Miller and Coors all rolled into one yet pittsburgh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/725">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► is is and I live every couple years I like Pittsburgh a lot it's it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► nice city in a lot of ways but yeah there are some things about their lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► or just kind of bizarre and but no one ever thinks it's bizarre to them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/741">TS</a>]
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00:12:31 ◼ ► pittsburgh has has more of a quirky personality than most cities do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/751">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► that's true of a lot of things in Pennsylvania in general in pennsylvania [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► so what's it tell me something weird about you people are what's going on up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/763">TS</a>]
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00:12:54 ◼ ► just like you can just if you're driving anywhere within 20 miles of year you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/774">TS</a>]
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00:13:04 ◼ ► smokes and I mean it's it's kind of a depressing place like it's the economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► of Erie has been pretty terrible for a pretty long time you know it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► those post-industrial places just never really recovered but everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► outsourced the climate is awful it's way more snow than you'd expect based on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► latitude and it's it's just really miserable and it's kind of in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/803">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► of nowhere to so it has everything working against it but the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► live in Erie people who are from Erie and include a lot of my family in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► actually left but people who live in Erie tend to be perfectly fine with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/821">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► and and not not recognized or not care that it's such a depressing place and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/828">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► lot of them have literally never been anywhere else like never left the Erie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/833">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► area and it just fine as long as they smoke constantly I guess that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/837">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► ok so I don't I'm never going to cigarette guys wanna really know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► does to you but you know that that makes it ok to live in the area so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/847">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► sure they're fine people very nice I would be interested in seeing a map that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/854">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► shows like areas where smoking is still permitted in restaurants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/861">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► you've heard james carville the former area guess is on TV now but clinton guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/873">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► but his description of Pennsylvania I think it applies both politically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/881">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► Philadelphia on one side Pittsburgh on the other and Alabama in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► that's that's pretty accurate as you know quite to win the state requires a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/892">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► run that way you know you don't just campaign in pennsylvania campaign very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► differently in Pittsburgh in Philly areas than you do in Harrisburg and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/903">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► new york is very similar to mean everyone thinks of New Yorkers who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► not from here from the side of the country everyone thinks of New York as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► being like the city but in fact it's it's extremely diverse state that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► very large state with lots of different political climates lots of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► types of people not to protect the places yeah right like the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/925">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► legislature New York is nothing like the city politics in the new york city and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► the state can't get anything done because the status of incredibly diverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/935">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► that the state legislators can't agree on anything I think it's a little bit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/938">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► think pennsylvania's non-urban areas though are more people than new york's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/944">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► could be wrong or if if I'm not wrong if I am wrong about it being more like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/950">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► split like I feel like New York is so big it's you know it's clearly way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/957">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► bigger population wise Dan Fillion Pittsburgh combined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/961">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► may not even be that the non-urban areas in Pennsylvania are more populous it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/967">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► just that the urban area is in as populated enough to compensate the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► the New York City Kan in New York like I feel like when we get a republican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► governor we get much more like a regular republican governor like you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/981">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► like typical republican governors throughout the country as opposed to New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► York where you get like a pataki whose you know a little bit more moderate same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/991">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► what's the name of that big guy Christie Christie chris Christie happen if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► sounds like he's a comic book character chris Christie signed a bill that if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► you're taking drugs with your pals and one of them as an overdose and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► report it you can't you won't be you won't get price you know your immune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► from prosecution for having taken the drugs herself seems very sensible EADS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► price that wasn't already yeah that's the thing is they can believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► conservatives are giving the guy should for signing the bill that yes I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► love the guys explanation to use like look I don't want anybody breaking laws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► and anybody taking drugs but if you think it's more important to prosecute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► someone for taking drugs than saving somebody else's life you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► gonna have a disagreement we don't get republicans like that anyway enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► politics now that we've lost all the listeners now that we've lost all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► listings let me take the first sponsor break and tell you about back please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1062">TS</a>]
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00:17:54 ◼ ► is an unlimited unprofitable uncomplicated online backup software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1074">TS</a>]
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00:18:02 ◼ ► don't let your day to die in a fire ball back it up they told me to say that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► it's I see it because they're Backblaze they've got the blaze I run a cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Darren firebomb anyway there you are all you want is Backblaze dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► daring fireball that's where to cause this is the talk-show not daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► fireball but that's the URL that one got to give them what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► kind of interesting I thought that's a little nutty and then I thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► what that really gonna stick if I were listening to the show I would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► that's curious I would remember that backpage.com / Darron fireball here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► the things you wanna know they've got unlimited data they don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► throw your data does not like get five gigabytes of space for some stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► that how much space you need that somebody get they support backing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► from external drives anything can connected to your system you can back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► to back please not just your home folder or something like that they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► military-grade encryption on their side its continuous backup it's not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► you have to remember to invoke hey I'm gonna go to a backup it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► once you have it configured and set up its continuous and that's really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► only way to do backups right because of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► murphy's law says that if you're only doing backups when you invoke the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► you need the backup is going to be the time that you're farthest away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► last time you did one automatically they do finding files you can search they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► have an iPhone mobile lab they have restore over the web you can restore to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► a USB hard drive restore to a flash drive they they support eleven different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► languages I bet most listeners of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► speak English but they have a support for eleven different languages Online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► Backup five bucks a month unlimited untroubled uncomplicated that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► good line WWW dot Backblaze Backblaze dot com slash daring fireball thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1192">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► them a lot of things out that I wanted to add to that also they so first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► that please use our been about these user for a couple of years I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► checked currently have 1.3 terabytes from my computer backed up and my wife's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► computer I believe has about another 1.8 terabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► over three terabytes of stuff you'd better come over the last couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and it's pretty great so she like it big photos that you know other other options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► can be more expensive or unwieldy also one thing that's really great that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► used before their service so I have a desktop and a laptop and I don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► Dropbox for everything I have like small documents document in Dropbox but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► nothing like really big and not all of my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► so what you can do is like I was I was away from home on time and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► get back to my computer is back to my Mac or whatever it's called this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► was not going through the airport extreme properly or something whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► reason I couldn't access my files directly and I needed a file on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► desktop so I just went to Backblaze and pulled it off there on my laptop from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► vacation and it was fun because because online backup your files and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► kinda like an infinitely size Dropbox for you you know you can go if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► forgot to bring a file with you on vacation you can go fetch it from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► actually didn't know that it's pretty cool and that's why I believe that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► of the headlining features of the iPhone app was released is the ability to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► from the iPhone to express that way you don't have to worry about syncing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► to your iPhone you to sort of pick and choose and access exactly and I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► make a joke about their pun about losing their stuff in a fireballer blazer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► whatever but the truth is if you're only backups are in your house you are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► risk of you know what if your house catches on fire what if you get rocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► right if you get robbed and you know burger comes in how they probably just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► gonna grab anything that looks computer II including your hard drive yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► would say if you have any kind of reasonable upstream you know if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► like you know if you're a star Michael 128 K upstream DSL then you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► you gonna be careful with what you back up online but if you have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► fashion that if you're in cable if you're an optical its FiOS you gotta do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► this I mean it's it's online backup is awesome I that I will say that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► that they didn't pay for you for me to say this but online backup is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► ridiculously awesome and I've tried a few of the options of my favorite by far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► as backwards so amazing I had no idea that you were a break their back plz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► user I did not invite you to be my guest this week because I don't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► that would've been a pretty weak but it's a happy accident but smart sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► art guests and it's not a not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► coincidental that they that there are you aware of each other like most last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► week with the internet people like exactly what did what else this week the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1366">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► big thing I guess I am one of the big things is this all of a sudden like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► week there was like a spate of reports mark Gurman at 9 to 5 Mac was first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► then John Paczkowski it all things D and adam said Tori I know at Bloomberg all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► sort of reported on iOS 7 being a little bit late behind schedule sort of under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► the gun to get it ready to show at WWDC and have it ready to ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► presumably you know September October when a new iPhone maybe iPad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► something like that are coming out and be that it's one of the reasons behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► is that they're they're doing like a top-to-bottom you I overall I presume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► you've read these stories I had and I mean first of all you know what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► whenever something is reported to be behind that still you know six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► out you gotta wonder like what what is it actually running behind schedule or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► is it just not the schedule to the reporter assumed or wanted yeah well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► this case i i you know and and all of them I think I don't know about Garmin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► Garmin story in 925 my long and enduring that I didn't did not finish it he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► good kid and he's doing really good work but that story had was a lot of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► for very little information but I will say and I don't I'm not the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► person who get hung up on it but I started rolling my eyes at all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► because I put all this in a branch discussion like a month ago and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► they actually gave me credit both said Torreon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► Skalski graciously said that it was first reported fireball but it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► a month ago so I do I do I had did hear that and that was like a month ago that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► it I was seven is behind not just in terms of like speculation but within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► Apple it was behind where they wanted it to be in terms of and I think that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► actually affected the WWDC announcement date in terms of they were not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► percent sure that it would be ready even show at WWDC until late April like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► don't think that they really purposefully like announcing WWDC only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► five or six weeks before it the date in years past sometimes they've announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► in March and I think that if if everything had gone perfectly according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► to schedule I think that they might have announced WBC a month earlier but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► it was you know where we sure that we're gonna have it in shape to show and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► whatever they show in June you know it's such a high-profile event but the Kino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► and and they're expected to show iOS 7 and show details about it during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► keynote and until all the developers about it for the next few days so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► know it pretty much has to be feature complete and ready to demo what what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► six weeks from now five weeks and really soon and they don't have to give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► developer beta but it's weird if they don't because of the guy right telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► you about these new things like things that are different things that are new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and they want you to start working on it would be wit and usually they do usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► they have you know a developer beta you know that you if you're it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► after the keynote you can sign and ADC in there's no I was 7 beta 1 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► exactly and also you know they they have to have it ready a couple weeks ahead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► the presentations they can make the presentation and make sure that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► be solid and you know it's the developer betas of iOS and Mac OS 10 they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► betas I mean you know and it's it's the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► somebody's always does it is because it's new and shiny now have to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► newest shiny thing they go ahead and install it on their regular day-to-day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► iPhone an hour after never let me forget you but your actual developer though and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► you know what you're getting into you did that in Dec I did it for iOS 5 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► will never do it again and I reaction remember where I was when I gave you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► should have at it we were in the lobby at the W [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► taxi going somewhere I thought but when we left the W I remember being in the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► think there were multiple should give indications that the lobby bar at the W [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► Hotel and this doesn't work but that's you know even given the fact that bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► enos is excusable and understandable and that's the whole reason that debate it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► not actually released it has to be there certain minimal functionality that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► to be there and and and you know and almost all of the headlining features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► you know whatever those are going to be those have to be at least working it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► to be done but they have to be you know damnable to some degree they have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► you know functional I was gonna be tough with syria functional I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► Syria didn't come as as the WTC really seem like a 4.1 5.1 kind of thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► right that's right right right now that explains why that's right I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► I want to see what they do you know we we don't really know you know but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► don't really know how much is going to change since forestall been out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► he has been out for that long and so we know it's it's going to be hard to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► really look at seven and say well this was all joining I'd stuff like certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► it's going to be a lot of difference but it hasn't been long enough to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► full effects of what that major change in design leadership is going to lead to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► end and to patch Caskey and Tori honors credit specially patch Caskey has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► reported AllThingsD again I don't I'm not real good but anyway but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► the so important shown us because I've linked to an enduring fireball and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► just presume that everybody out there who listens to this podcast listens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► reach my site too but podcast he had some quotes from sources which was new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► likes people who obviously familiar with what they're doing with Iowa 7 talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► you know they didn't there's no names but you know it's still better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► rest of us have like I you know I've talked to people but I've not talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► anybody who let me quote them and I have not talked to anybody who's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► told me anything specific about what what it actually looks like it's a deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► forest Ali's impossible to pronounce worker to rate money somebody on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► favorite in it or something to somebody on Twitter us tonight said what's this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► hear about iOS 7 to deforestation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► the wall street journal front-page scandal ahead tomorrow is gonna leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► the station here next year times pulitzer yeah I don't know you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► it's hard I don't know I seriously AM I being coy I have not spoken to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► who's actually seen iOS 7 what the direction they're going and his I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► know anybody who's actually seen it but I've heard is people who've seen people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► who have seen it and know about those those filters that they put over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► funds security filters that you have to look be looking at exactly the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► angle to see it and i also know that this is in fact the first time they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► done that with iOS 6 in 543 that the people who had the permission to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► the building before it was released on their personal phones outside the campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► did not have those filters right so obviously you know that that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► what we hear from everyone else which is basically that it's a big change for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► 66 didn't look that different six had like a minor refresh on some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► greens and some of the coloring and some of the shading but it was a pretty minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► overall difference in appearance and if you are just looking across the bar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► saw someones phone on you wouldn't really noticed that was something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► different right but in this case sounds like they're prepared for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► particular how come and want to prevent that and you know so it's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► enough that you would notice 20111 comment i've gotten from a couple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► by email and Twitter here's one it's a tweet that I noted from a reader named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► spin see what's so it's a CWI Tiziano man I hope your name right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► he tweeted yesterday to me johnnie Ivan software I fear he might take the fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► out of the OS Mac software has always had elements of playfulness and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► sentiment that's perfectly express that I've a bunch of people have sort of set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► like hey I you know this whole flat thing I kinda hate that term but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► whole flat thing and the anti ace is this all gonna be like no fun and i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► think thats I don't think that's something anybody should be worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► about it I think that there's a difference between the sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► zuber hence I don't know you wanna Corning this even of Game Center I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► Game Center is one of the ones that they mention specifically like that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► going to look like a craps table anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► Game Center was always like an extreme example of something really i mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► was just really inexcusably bad because that was back from from the from various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► softly into the Steve Jobs era and it was pretty clear they were at Steves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► career that he did not really respect or understand the gaming market at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► and that's like you know if this is what they think gaming felt card table from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► casino like that's that's that's their interpretation of video games it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► it's so different from the actual role of video games and it's so betrayed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► deep misunderstanding or lack of respect of the gaming market right back that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► always been like that as a very extreme example yeah and I think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► and and that's again I don't know you know for all I know you know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► that the new look of Iowa seven is completely sterile and no fun and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► robotic I don't know but I I don't think so I'd be very surprised at that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► I think the key word to keep in mind is or one of them is is emotion and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► is always designed for emotion that makes you do stuff they they make makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► you feel a certain way and I would say look no further than their product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► marketing writer commercials and stuff like the new one that the latest one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► the one with the iPhone camera which i think is one of the best commercials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► yeah and there's nothing silly about it like in the way that game center is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► silly or the leather in the calendar APIs is silly it it's not silly but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► definitely emotional and it's definitely there's playfulness and fun kids on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► skateboards there's it's not dead serious either right I feel like thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► exactly what they've probably be going for it and less textured 3d depth look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2090">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► and feel ya we have to consider to you know what what exactly their styling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► where the fun and playfulness and emotions should come from I mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► if they're gonna give the default UI kit widgets new default styles like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► kinda do with iOS 6 but you know they're going to a more severe version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► then what that's going to affect our apps that use the default UI could wages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► and I mean I I think I could argue and you would probably argue that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► probably shouldn't be looking to the default which is to provide a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► of personality to your application you know if you're going to want to add that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► emotion and personality or even if you're not the case never once has a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► of stuff and has designed up these days you probably should not be using stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► appearances of anything you should be custom skinning almost everything a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► custom-designed almost everything that youre abuses or at least we can the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► defaults and if you look now like apps that use just the defaults don't show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► any emotion they you know they don't show any don't show much playfulness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► absolutes defaulted a look old and terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► yeah and there's certain maybe there's some playfulness to it though let one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► thing is that the default look across iOS has a lot of glossiness you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► just starting even without bike on swear if you do nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► your app automatically gets that fake U-shaped gloss top third and I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► can suppress that you know there's a way that you can you appeal is filed you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► suppress that bite specifying something but you get that by default and most a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► lot of contact that and all their apples icons have that you know they do eat dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► food on that if you look at it as far as it is not they've had a bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► messages and phone and stuff like that they have this lhasa credit across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► you get it played in this system standard alert box that blue translucent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► thing that pops up late when you need to put your Apple lady password in or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► it says hey you know you've got airplane mode on in this thing requires network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► access to want to go to settings or cancel that that you know everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► seen that dialog box 10,000 times has that fake trend glossiness to it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► that I can guarantee you that going away I gotta know if they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► completely redesign the look at that dialogue but the glossiness is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► away any what I would love as a developer is for half of what I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► said to be wrong for you know what I would love would be enough of a refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► of the default components that you can start using them again like it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► if you release an app that uses default components it will it'll just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► the style is kind of outdated now a lot of that still looks like 2007 and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► know if you and I were six teams some of it they change some of the gloss to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► like reading and stuff like that but there's still quite a lot of it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and you know I would love as a developer to have better defaults again or to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► it easier to customize those default like right now if you want to pop up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► alert dialog box like we were just talking about with a custom look on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► you have to make you have to re-employment the entire alert dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► box yourself you have to complain all the behavior of it yourself and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► been slowly integrating more you know the UI appearance stuff so integrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► more of that into the OS since I was five but they're still so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► that are so fixed in their default style that the most you can do maybe as 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► them or replace the entire thing manually and you know if they if the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► defaults are kinda less heavy-handed with with their books with their default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► looks default styles if their little bit lighter and simpler and if that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► people mean by flat you know if they're little bit lighter and simpler then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► it'll be better for developers it'll be less old looking for users and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► easier for designers to work with him I think we've gotten some hints already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► about the the direction they're going and maybe the magnitude of it so one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► them is that the podcast at the Apple podcast app is called pop yes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the new version that came out a couple weeks ago is not just like a bug fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► release compared to the original version you know they got famously got rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► the the the real to reel tape recorder interface which was that doesn't counted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and there's all sorts of arguments what counts as quote-unquote school market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► but that's that's the school market is anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► I mean it actually looked like a 3d reel to reel tape recorder that's gone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► there's other things in the change just ask that a changes in there that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► the buttons have become a lot less 3d they don't look as much like physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► buttons on her bra on tape recorder from 1965 there just you know they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► you know that a triangle foreplay and and you know I think for fast forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► and stuff like that if you look if you google for it like you know the changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► between them podcast app it's not radical it's not like unfamiliar it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► not like if you are already familiar with the old podcast app that now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► lost in the new one it's you know just taking out some of the exuberance of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► fake device notice I think it's you know and I super down on on on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► commercialism but I do think though that it it taken to the level that it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► been in turn the apps it's dishonest and a lot of times it's unnecessarily clunky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► that's that's a thing where it gets in the way like people people often cited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► find my friends and it's crazy letter thing as as being like the epitome of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► bad secure more visible I don't really think it was that bad it was just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► skin and it didn't really interfere with how you use the app it was just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► sort out the toolbars look but the podcast app that giant real real feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► that was actually interfere he was taking up too much space things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► gestures didn't work that the speed knob thing didn't work well you'd expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► to and it was hard to use like that's when actually is a problem and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► dishonest here's a perfect reason why I used the word dishonest because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► have a real reel-to-reel tape or any sort of tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► you have a real limiting factor in terms of seeking to go ahead like if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► an hour long podcast and you know that the part that you're interested in is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► like 45 minutes in with you and your at the beginning you've got to wait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► hopefully you know in a fast forward can only go so fast it's gonna shred the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► tape right and you gotta wait to get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► well there is no one of the great advantages of going digital with video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► and audio is we no longer have to do that right and so using that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► metaphor it's a false metaphor because you're all the limits that apply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► actual to tape or to a strip of film if you wanted to do that and and have liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► you know carry that analogy to a video player and have a film projector none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► those it doesn't hold up right that's why that's always been my complaint with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► calculator app so I always prefer silver instead because they they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► mimic this old type of devices the old calculators that would have his one line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► of of digits and their billing no no real backspacing ability that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► hundred-plus and I go back at that number you know there's all these stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► limitations of real calculators were carried on exactly directly to computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► calculator perhaps to almost all of them are very few that have broken it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► where a soldier is like rethinking the entire way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► rethinking what a calculator is because now its computer and you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► do all that old crap that used to in there and you don't have a limitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► that used to have an excuse and gets in the way when it starts bringing in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► invitations unnecessarily yeah that's a good example says the guy who still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► loves peek out but I agree with you disagree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► but that's for me the reason and and the main reason that I i i agree is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► I was doing something that would involve more than just one you know a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► digits multiplier something like that I probably would use salt silver instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► of precalc like for you know it's a neat middle ground between what what I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► have in the old days gone to a spreadsheet for as opposed to exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► where that I just want to multiply two numbers together I'd still works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► perfectly for me to pick out to create a good example to I think of where Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► going and why I don't think people who are worried about the fun or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► playfulness being taken out of the OS I think it's needless is if you go in load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► apple.com and I think that these have been up for a couple of weeks out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► obviously anybody listening to this show you're somehow this you know I can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► it but if you go unload apple.com now in two different tabs wants to get the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► hero layout and wants to get the iPhone hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► you can see some of the apps third party apps that Apple is celebrating so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► iPad 1 they've got two outs I'm not sure what the one on the right is it some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► kind of photo app but it's mainly a big photo of a little girl playing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► tender and the balloon or something like that but it's you know it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► because it shows the color in the happy kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► but if you look at the elementary school gym parachutes yes I'm like that but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► you look at the UI around it though is no 3d depth to it looks good but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► like just a translucent overlay to put text and some now very it is flat but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► it's you know it's attractive and then the other app that they're showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► they're showing letterpress which again is not really flat it actually does she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► and you could see it in the screenshot it does use depth when you play at I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► three-dimensionally and you know so it's flat rice a flats not quite the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► word but famously it it's relatively unadorned and minimal but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► anybody who's played letterpress would realize that it's it's a it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► interface it's you know it's perfectly appropriate for a game you know but in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► way that is not at all like you know Game Center visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► letterpress achieves a lot of fun and playfulness with with gesture response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► and animations and you know that everything is very tactile and it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► tactile without being without looking like a textured but you know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► is certainly there are some design challenges there with with usability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► getting people to figure out what's touchable what's draggable but adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► water presses is a great example to show that it can be done in the in the flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► aesthetic you know it can still be done and you know you don't have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► everything look like a 3d textured button for people know that they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► touch it and if you look at the iPhone hero its three apps they show one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► built-in photo app and again i think thats just to put a photo up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► but you know not not a particularly school Norfolk design than the to third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► party apps I don't know what the photo one is you know that is the Tumblr app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► oh is it ok wow yeah so there you go I see I don't use that I didn't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► then there's the its own notes note-taking app called catch that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► actually just checked out last week not entirely flat you know it's it's but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► is more flat done a lot of apps you know it's flatter maybe that's the better way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► to describe like I think the trend it's not flat design it's not windows 8 style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► completely flat no textures no gradients it's just glad ur here and looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► the shot with which shows the issue is a full-screen photo in the in the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► roll but with the toolbars showing and and so it has these like semi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► transparent glossy toolbars overlaying this photo and to me that looks old like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► that like I think I think we've seen for a while as though is that the default UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► kit styles are out of style and they've been holding on you know I was 6 did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► slight tweak they've been holding onto them still a bit too long but even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► if you go back to the iPad hero layout I think one of the reasons they didn't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► anything there that uses default which its is because you like it on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► has always looked I didn't mean it's it's always been you know if if you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► the default UI kit navigation bars on top or if you use the default alerts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► like it's always look like a scaled-up version of the iPhone is no it's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► really come into its own if you use the built-in stuff and a lot of it just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► think is ugly like 10 things I love most with doing the magazine's app was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► finally could could really replace the popover chrome is that the default pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► over crime which has which has a border of a navy blue gradient thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► framing something with the deep shadow instead of the middle of it that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► always look like a hack and until iOS 6 you could not fully replace it I was 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► you could change the current you're stuck with that weird inset shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► and six you could finally hide the shadow also and and so you can fuck like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► I think the popovers are some of the best looking for some of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► looking interface however I've ever done because well I tried to limit it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► actually true and you know you're talking about the ones you get for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► footnotes for any pop over I replaced every popular in iowa and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► magazine that for iPad in fact Michael with that was tonight show any default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► chrome ever and the only time I do show default chrome is logging in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► Instapaper add some text inputs and an alert box if you do it wrong and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► you if you subscribed and I have to show the system's in-app purchase dialogues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► which looked completely out of place in the rest of the apt my goal there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► like to make this look well-designed I'm going to have the entire at just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► custom designed and that alone looks better than if he just uses the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► probably look look horrible I think it's a great design in the abstract I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► popovers as opposed to and I i've I think that the popover should be used a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► lot more in iPhone apps not just iPad apps like me too I wish I could there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► there's tons of developers who have made their own pop over class for iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► because there because Apple's popular class only works on iPad when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► that the iPhone maybe just because it's called phone I think maybe like back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► 2006 when they were cranking out and waiting on that initial design I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► they got to cut up thinking about it as a phone and in traditional phones every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► time you got a new menu in new screen and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► so many things are an entire screen and you go in and do it they just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► like when you do talk a Bluetooth and you go to set a Bluetooth and you get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► entire new screen just for a checkbox to toggle Bluetooth now I i do think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► important to have that checkbox bein nice big fat target like big 44 pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► three dimensions myspace some friendly target but you know why not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► popover that comes underneath it when you hit Bluetooth and settings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► would you know give you the check box yes I think I think this might change in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► the future as phone screens get bigger yeah you know the iPhone 5 already gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► us tons and tons more real estate and then we'll see you know my prediction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► gonna have a bigger screen iPhone fairly soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► you know we'll see if that actually happens or not I think I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► hint that took it on the earnings call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► sounds like it might be happening soon and you know I think as we see a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► one of one of the great values of bigger screen devices including the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► fabric that everybody hates except for all the people who keep piling them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► works as a lot of them one of the great things about them is that you can bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► you have more space to bring in some of the conveniences of tablets and tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► interfaces and you know you aren't limited to just very very deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► navigation stacks of full-screen things are a little phone screen but to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► point from a guy do you think that the iPad has suffered all three years of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► life from having default default krone that really originates with the 2007 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► know yet the scales all wrong like like my I can't even look my the screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► of my first version of Instapaper for iPad are unbearable for me to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► because it was just blowing up the iPhone interface it was everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► you would never do today if you were if you were just heading into it ever I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► everything wrong and that first version in half an iPad yet I just before anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► had iPads so it would be there on day one and as soon as it was out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► realized oh man this is I got some work to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► I had forgotten that you're the guy who did Instapaper it's been so long I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► totally forgot about that that the other weird thing about the evolution of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► over the years because now you know it's been six years right this is six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► since we've had the original iPhone is that if you compared to Mac OS 10 Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► 10 has undergone numerous athletic weeks every you know two or three revisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► are so you know and it's slowly evolved what the default look and feel of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► system is every couple of years and has never gone this long not six years with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► so many of the elements looking exactly the same and but if you look at the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► that like you know whenever there has been a visual refresh in Mac OS 10 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► the time that they got rid of brushed metal and just replaced everything with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► you know that the non brushed metal windows the brush metal windows all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► them to all of a sudden looked exactly the same which is you know and in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► ways in terms of like the textures in the actual pixels you see on screen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► pretty that was a pretty major change but nobody who was a Mac user was lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3234">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► or confused or oh my god where is everything I don't know how to use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► computer like that's to me is what I think they're going to do with iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► like I don't think that's the other concern i've seen out there that all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► God my parents my just got my parents and iPhone last year and now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► going to get an automatic upgrade Iowa seven and then they're gonna call me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► they can't find anything right I don't think it's going to be that type of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► don't think that's what they're working on at all I think it's like when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► costs 10 right right there still a red button up in a corner they used to close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► the window you know there's still an Apple menu up in the top left corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► where you go to get to System Preferences stuff like that I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► you know you can look at the trend that they've been doing with OS 10 design but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► did not call anymore I still like all those tend to me it immediately it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3292">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► emphasizes the word mac whereas otherwise with OS and iOS iOS is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► middle of it and I it doesn't have to think about which one is wet right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► anyway with with Mac OS 10 makin' brackets there I think the trend has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► been very clearly towards less ornamentation the most part and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► making the default chrome be less visually noisy and make it making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► easier to ignore or forget about and iOS was started out being the complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► opposite of that with all these very heavy-handed visual crime as all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► defaults and so if you know as early as they move towards a more subtle default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► look then you know people who who make custom design apps are still gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► very high personality designs that's not going to be a risk but it'll it'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► make everything else a little bit less saccharin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► yeah that's a good way to put it so I yeah I think we're on the same page in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► terms of the scope of this sort of redesigning we're gonna see I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► typically I i this is the last point on making this is I don't typically do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► game where you read into Apple's invitations the design of the invitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► and try to interpret that what it means about what they're going to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► but I know a lot of people have taken this whole flat you I you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► they're gonna get rid of this and then they look at the WWDC logo yeah and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► say that must be the direction they're going and maybe there's something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► that you know the one thing I notice with that it's a stack of these vibrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► primary color gels yeah like app shapes right though that the the Round Rock the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► icons like if somebody cut out a Nikon shape out of lighting gels and stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► them up right but they're not you know there's no gloss on but there is death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► right and there is translucency so I you know again I don't throw the baby out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► with the bathwater I don't think that you know I really really would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► shocked if they went full on like like Windows 8 no depth chart me no i didnt i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► didnt i didnt notice that until now but now that you mention looking and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► corners unless I love you can see there is there are shadows between each layer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► so it does show death that this isn't just a pile of of lighting gels are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► better just flattened have no meaningful death this is a pile of suck it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► likely depress tiles right because they know it's a stack of things that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► some depth to them but the things themselves are flat interesting yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► really is an indicator I'm stealing from our friend Brad Ellis craig used user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► interface designer now at Pacific but he is that line I've heard from him is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► if you're gonna have something stacked visually on the easy access in your UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► and its gonna have a shadow it doesn't have to be four inches off the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► like just just a tiny little bit goes a long way whereas it you know i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► that that original 2007 iOS designers everything if it's if it has a shadow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► it's like four inches of shadow right exactly now and six actually made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► worse six made the shadow depth bigger on some things and even added shadows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► where there weren't any before like under under navigation bars above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► toolbars there's now a by default there's a shadow there and and before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► me take a take a break here in and thank our second sponsor our second sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► very interesting company transporter company name the product and company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► connected data and is a team you go to the website you can check it out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► they tell you this is the team that originally made the Drobo and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► they've done is they've they've the team that made the Drobo it's got together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► and they've made it things it's a device you buy it is called the transporter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► physical device that you have in your hand but a hard-driving you connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► the Internet and you sign up with transporter and that drive is accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► so and and they'll say this to its not like I'm mentioning Dropbox and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► it's own kuthe because you know sort of a computer competitor know they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► it's sort of like having your own private Dropbox they sent me one as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► pet let me try it out and it works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► it's it's very simple to setup you buy it you just plug it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► you install the software on your computer and it's like you have your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► little private Dropbox and so instead of cloud access being the access is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► everywhere and where is your stuff stored is I don't know it's out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► the where is my stuff stored is right here in you know where it is and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► there's a privacy layer and the cloud aspect that they've solved is punching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► hole through your local network to the Internet at large so that you can access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► the stuff from anywhere and what you can also do is if you anybody else have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► sign up for their service you don't have to buy the transporter you can just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► to their website and sign up for an account once you're signed up I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► share stuff with you from my transporter and you can access it on a folder by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► folder basis so I could just say just for this folder invite Marco and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► you're in and you can you can use it if you have a transporter yourself then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► it'll also mirror it'll sync to your device the shared folder so that you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► be faster if you to access when you're at home because it'll be right there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3654">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► if you have two of them you can mirror them so that you could say have one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► home and one at your office or one at your parents home or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► and it'll mirror both of them and it's effectively like backing up the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► that you have on one transporter will be exactly the same on the other one really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► really simple the big pitch is that it's private because they don't have access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► to any of your data your data is only stored on your actual transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► devices which are completely under your control so for some people that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► just be personal privacy like stuff that you just don't want to put on Dropbox on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► some kind of cloud-based service because you don't trust it or you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► whatever reason for a lot of people though it's actually a legal type issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► if its medical data and stuff like that and you have these days lost to comply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► with you have to have physical control of where the stuff is stored so you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► cloud style access from anywhere over the web or on your Mac or Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► through the transporter software which you know put the folder right in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► so you can see it on but you get the privacy of storing your data on your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► hard drive so it's really really interesting works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► they have apps for the iPad iPhone no surprise you can use it it's great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► stuff like storing and sharing photos all sorts of stuff like that and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► to put your own hard drive in it so you can have as much data as you want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► big hard drives you can put in it as much data as as you can store it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► pretty cool very cool see what I like about this is that they they don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► to like act in denial that Dropbox exists exactly a lot of things are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► you know you hear about something illegal water and I just use X you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► and and access better or free or whatever and in this case I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► is like this is really concrete advantages over Dropbox and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► don't they don't have to like hope you don't hear about Dropbox that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► that's exactly why I brought it up let me tell you what to do to find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► here's the URL it filed transporter dot com slash talk file transporter dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► slash talk they have an overview video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► good video it's very short but it really you know it it gives you the gist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► what the heck they're doing why you do it very very succinctly and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► three different configs to buy and the first is when I was sort of going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► which is the zero terabyte model you supply any 2.5 inch drive at 299 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► but you could also if you want just save the hassle you can buy a one terabyte or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► two terabyte version that will just ship with a drive already in it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► 299 or 399 respectively and the most important thing for listeners of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► show you can save 10% by using the discount code talk ta el que all lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► case after you select your model of transporter they want to buy so go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► if you're interested you want to buy one but your cart and use the discount code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► talking you'll save 10% oh and the other thing I should definitely mentioned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► is it's sort of an apple like model where their business model is selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► used these transporters right you buy it you by the tank for 199 299 399 use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► code save 10% talk but there is no charge for the service you buy the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► and then it just works and so if you want to share it like if you're sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► with clients or friends or something like that who don't have a transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► doesn't cost them any money to sign up for the service so there's no monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► fee just buy the device and then you get to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► my thanks to transporter first one tradition and see what else we got Winky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► Winky apt as creepy as it sounds yet it isn't what it sounds like week is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► nap somebody's developed for Google glass that lets you take photos by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► winking so you don't have to say okay glass take a photo you your eye and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► you know i i think you can I mean I think every generation as we get older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► looks at you know the new to the newest technology at some point in their lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► and says I don't understand why anybody would want that that's going to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► problematic for our culture whatever and I and maybe this is my moment to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► but I just can't understand Google S III don't understand why anybody would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► to wear them on their face all the time I don't understand why any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► right-thinking person would trip would trust Google with all that extra data on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► and I don't understand why Google thought it would be a good thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► society and everybody started wearing these things and then there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► problems including the picture taken aspects of like you know that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► problem enough for you kind of don't know if someone's paying attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► you even for looking right at you sort of end the secondary problem of like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► it's even easier than it was and it's we've already made it pretty easy as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► society to take photos and videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► covertly with our phones but now it's Google is trying to bring it even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► mainstream in a way that is even easier to take photos or videos of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► without their knowledge and and that's why I just think that's kind of creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► in so many ways plus I mean you look ridiculous thing on but besides that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► think it's just it is kinda socially Canada gross I want to write about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► I have to get out of my system is sort of why I'm so down on Google class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► I'm not against heads-up displays in general right and I dot denying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► there's a bright future and that you know that amazing stuff is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► happen in the next decade or two along the lines that this it's this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► products in the current configuration that I just think is absurd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► right and it gets back on if you listen to last week's show but like most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► pointed out I wrote back in 2003 about the quote-unquote iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► and that I said it was like a New York Times story thats that claimed in 2003 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► that Apple was working on a I think that they call the iPhone that ran a stripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► down version of Mac OS 10 involved apps like Sherlock and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► then what they said was you know the article made it seem as though it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► something that might come out like next year and it wasn't true but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► impossible there is no technology that would do it and I was right there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► nomads lame right but it wasn't I didn't say that Apple would never be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► make a device that would run a stripped down version of OS 10 and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► cell phone or something like that and that would have suffered like that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► I was saying was impossible was that in 2003 that was impossible and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► weren't working on anything like that and in fact they weren't right it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► they were working on a tablet type thing like that thing that eventually became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► the iPhone was in some level of work but there was more like a had the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► was like a tablet the story they said wasn't true in 2003 wasn't true it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► seem funny in hindsight though because that is actually what they ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► doing for years later it's the same thing with Google glass where I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► denying that there won't be cool and maybe even possibly useful wearable had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► said type things eventually but this one is not this one is is is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4132">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► it looks stupid it's a medical device doesn't like some kind of like enhanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► hearing and visual aid but not in a text not in the tech way in a medical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► assistance way or something that you might have to wear for certain jobs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► know inspecting a plane at the airport runway wearing when these things of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► clipboard and you're right and and and i cant even see that that there are used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► to especially the camera part that if you even if you look stupid I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► it how it for certain people it might be useful to have a stupid looking camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► that we're like this over your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► so that you can get first-person perspective while you do something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► you want your hands free right like say you can make like the one that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► even made like if you're gonna take a video I you jump out of an airplane with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► well i i dont you don't have a camera in your hands that's for sure and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► you you can look at aspects of this and you can say okay well the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► will get better in area acts so you know that's not going to be a problem for law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► and I think you can look at especially things like size and battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► because I okay well those will get better over time it will get smaller it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► will look sleeker the battery life will get longer but I think I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► social aspects of it are the big long-term what the fuck moment and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► know I guess you know and again I'm I'm right there with you or maybe it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► gently and we just you know stuck in the mud and where you know already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► old-fashioned cause I could see how if you know you went back to the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► and told somebody about how all of us have little pocket computers with 34 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► inch screens that we checked all the time and go out to dinner and you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► the bathroom I'm gonna get my phone out until you come back and say well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► of everybody you know always looking at these computer screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► whereas I see it as my god it's a relief from boredom right it's great guy died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► 20 Mon I try never leave them at dinner with people I try never to be on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► phone while we're at the table together but if I'm out with one person and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► person gets up I usually take out my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► yeah I do that and I can see how that's you know there's like a slope along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► lines of how far away is that from having your computer always in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► field of visual stream in your glasses that it's you know it's it's along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► same continue but to me that goes over this border that to me is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► ridiculous and you know we don't know how that's going to change over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4313">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► with generations and social stuff like I think there's this great video traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► think it might have been by Dan Savage maybe I have to find it and put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► your show notes but there is a free video where this guy was talking about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► think it was back with the the governor senator Weiner whatever it was he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► his pictures of his junk to people and they got out he was congressional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► representative from new york new york city so there is a big deal about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► and and there it here in this video about it afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► continue to somewhere I gotta find it I think it's Dan Savage but I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► positive on that and and he basically said like you know yet today our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► politicians are so afraid of pictures of their junk getting out that you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► if it does happen then you're like well you know that's pictures of someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► junk you know i i dont know you know try to deny it and at some point the tide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► will change socially because everyone's having picture of their junk all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► the place especially if your honor and sending it all over the place I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► glad to know that this did not exist when I was younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► and eventually you know a politician can get up there and say yeah that's my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► eventually the times will shift in in social tolerance of certain things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► that it will become normal and so I think with with my concerns with Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► glass of like it kind of sucks when you when you can't tell someone's looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► a screen overlaid over your face or looking at you and it kind of sucks if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► everyone can be taking pictures or video all the time and you can you can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► tell if they're doing it or not you know all those things make me nervous but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► having a cell phone in my pocket that can take a quick picture video makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► other people nervous especially older people into in other contexts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► you know it's like everything we're doing is adding more things that make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► people uncomfortable who are older or who are more conservative and we keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► pushing that boundary back in all these other ways we've been pushing it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► for four decades so maybe this is just the next step of that but I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► i this this to me seems like a cross a line that that shouldn't be crossed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► I think we'd actually be worse off at that line was crossed but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► why people are exactly the thing about camera phones yeah probably you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► see my difference but that is and what's his name I don't know his name is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► Tom hole where do Thoi you do you know who I'm talking about another site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► Twitter reply to me yesterday after I had linked to the winky app and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► my my only comment was fake quote from a hypothetical glass users ok glass led to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► and his Twitter thing was oh come on like because he's a he's have huge glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► enthusiasts he's super excited about class and and thinks that I am being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► either like a pollyanna or some combination of a prude and a if it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► from Apple it's crap zealot which the Pollyanna part the approved part maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► is true that's what we're talking about the apartment I would be so depressed if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► Apple came out with Google Glasses exactly like this I would think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► then thats in some sense it would be great then I got talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► before because man I nothing would be better for my reputation than for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► have something to really dig into it just ripped apart on you know I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► it because they haven't released anything that i think is terrible you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► know but they haven't even smaller for the iPod hi-fi was a massive flock but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► who cares it was a speaker dock you know one it wasn't like a big PR problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► them to speaker dock that was actually a pretty decent speaker dock just too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► expensive but the difference and the difference in his reply me was so come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► on like nobody's taken as a surreptitious picture before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► like it's not happening all the time now and that is true people do sneak photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► you know and and you can be creepy by taking photos with your phone now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► there's a physical there are physical limitations to it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► like you you you have to be sly about it so yes somebody could take a picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► you you know if you know some place where you don't want to be photographed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► in you don't know it you may not notice them doing it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► presumably you know especially if the flashes off on the computer obvious are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► on the camera obviously but they have to be still have to work at it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► strapped to their forehead always constantly like I don't find it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► uncomfortable if I went out to dinner and somebody just had their phone up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► know in a position that looked like it was filming a video of the entire meal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► and I don't know if they're exactly I don't know if they're doing it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► but they're holding it up the entire time will tell me that's what it'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► like going out to dinner with scoville with his glasses on glass on I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► have to say I think also it's worth considering if you are a user of Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► glass you know do you want Google getting all the information from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► you know do you want Google to know that you can look at the waitresses but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► what are they gonna do with that information like it there in advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► there's people people think Google just does some of the stuff for the fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► doing it and and some of the projects do seem like they're just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► engineering for fun although since Google+ come out on the company's focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► has been shifted you could help us be lessened in the company but at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► of the day they gotta make this a business somehow to make it work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► the rest of their businesses and the way they're going to do that in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► likelihood is high time this an extremely deeply with everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► know about you which is their business their business is to know as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► they possibly can about you so they can charge more for the ads shown to you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► so when you look at it from that perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► it just feels kind of dirty like we do I really wanted to go to know like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► minute of every day of my life what I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► you know it's bad enough that I'm carrying a phone in my pocket right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► they can already do quite a lot of that stuff today but it's it's different when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► it's your face you know when your phone is this thing you can kind of put away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and and technology is such that phones can't really afford the battery problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► of keeping GPS on all the time so they only start like live tracking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► precisely yet but who knows in the future like you know there was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► this week with the Google now a burning battery time and that's exactly what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► was perfectly into the next thing well and there's a thing that there's a I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► not even sure I completely understand the why of it like and the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► helps Google's Sergey you ads and stuff better and spite of it obviously is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► even about advertising are creeping in really is an and you know this is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► think it is so insidious because there's obviously usefulness to it where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► know in theory if they know where you are and you say hey I'm hungry and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► in the mood for pizza but I don't you know this is not familiar with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► neighborhood it's useful if they know where you are and can say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► there's a well-regarded Pizza Place two blocks over to the left right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► know and if they know even more about you and they know and you've you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► Google+ the pizza restaurants that you've been to in the past and said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► like this one and I don't like that one that they can if they have millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► users that they can correlate all of that and say given the type of pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► that you've said you've liked before in the ones you've said you don't like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► is almost certainly a pizza place that you're going to like and that if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► accurate and it works thats that is I do understand that is useful right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► the whole program Google argument right well as useful sometimes you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► it's useful when you have purchasing intent and and so if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► these these examples and which people you know and that makes sense you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► the examples of where should I go eat pizza right now you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► purchasing intent and that's what this is Seth Godin to talk about this a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► ago as a video of it online somewhere but there is you know that's what Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► and our advertising model excels at and that's why Facebook's advertising model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► advertising model excels at that because it's a really easy to sell ads against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► purchasing intent if you're searching for something like what kind of coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► maker 222 get from my office then that's a great place for not only Google to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► recommend things to you based on our audit has from you know Yelper user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► reviews or whatever but they can also then integrate ads really well into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► in a way that the ads are not trying to distract you the ads are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► possibly helpful to you and same thing with you know that's why that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► local search matter so much to them because it's the same kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► where if you are looking for a pizza place around you that's a great time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Google to not only use of this data they know about you to give you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► recommendations but then for them through them to be able to go and sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► that to the advertisers them to go to that local advertising for local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► advertisers to be able to say I'll pay you a dollar fifty to put my ad on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► of a box around it and so it all those contexts that's great it's great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► Google and actually is kind of helpful for the user at those times the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► is all the other times when you don't have a purchasing intent or when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► doing something that is not commercial nature or that you don't think of US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► and that kind of surprise you with either an ad that you weren't expecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► or a surprise you with knowledge that they have that you didn't think they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► about you are you did or what you intend and that's when it that's when it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► creepy yeah and you know and amy has run into this recently where she's noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► and she's you know caught my attention to it with her computer where it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4974">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► she should have searched for and who knows even if it's Google you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► don't even know my beats or some other similar type aggregate collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► stuff we're like she's searched for product acts like four days ago and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► she's on this other website that isn't even related to that product and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► are ads for exactly what she was searching for four days ago right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► not like a general audience they maybe it was definitely not a coincidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► right and it the the result is not all yeah I should buy that the result is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► am creeped out and I'm gonna tell my husband and and you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► freaking me out right it is creepy and that to me is where I see that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► and you know I really do think Google has has shifted over the second half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► its life like in the first couple of years of its life is it just seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► amazing and helpful and in the second half of its life and especially i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► even I think Eric Schmidt is a pretty creepy guy and I think it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► accelerated those since Larry Page took over as CEO it really accelerates its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► Facebook really you know since becoming obvious threat to many of their core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► market yeah you know I think that really is the guy I think you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► correlation is not causation but boy the correlation is very strong that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► Facebook got big and if and when it became clear that Facebook was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► next myspace but was going to be a stand-alone thing and you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► not gonna be acquired their Dave reach the critical mass where there were gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► IPO which was far in advance of you know years in advance of when they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► did IPO like it was a long you know there are a couple of years there where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► it was clear that Facebook was going to eventually IPO and nope you know Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► wasn't gonna have a chance to buy facebook that's when they it does seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► like that they really had like a freak out and have really gotten creepy about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► the personal stuff and any end and so it all goes back to the location where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► mean not all but in terms of what we're talking about here is that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► wanna know where you are like all day every day and I find that in the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► of everything else Google is doing very very disturbing and it it I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► actually the route I think you know in terms of their desire to know where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► i think is the entire reason that Apple maps exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► oh yeah definitely you know and I feel like everybody has this why and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► and and it's held up as you know that criticism of Tim Cook as a as a CEO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► that Apple you know it's it's all of this story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► these you know hey Apple has had a rough patch Apple's doing poorly inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► they bring up Apple maps and that Apple maps is a disaster should show and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► you know terrible and inexplicable what's not inexplicable I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► that Google and some of this actually knows that google 22 up the offering in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► terms of the getting the vector maps instead of the bitmap map tiles and turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► by turn direction for driving which was sorely missing from from iOS that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► wanted they were you know their deal was that if you want that from us you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► gotta let us let people sign in to their Google account and you know and that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► let us track their location through their iPhone through the built-in maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► functionality the ties to our maps and Apple was not willing to budge on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► so they were so unwilling to budge on that in terms of the privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► implications that they went ahead and shipped a map service that they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► and I know that I think it's probably a little bit worse than expected in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► of the reaction but I think that they knew that it wasn't gonna be it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► going to be as good as Google Maps and they did it anyway for the privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► reasons I don't for some reason Apple it's very very clear to everyone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► they make their money so its most people don't ascribe weird motivations to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► Apple's business decisions usually just well okay they want to charge more for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► that or they want you to buy this thing but yet with Google it seems like most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► people just kind of given in the past especially especially nerves cuz you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► know that Google did have a very long period where they really did things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► really appealed to people like us you know that the first half of the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► they really really appeal to people like us because they were an energy company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► doing dirty things and with seemingly little care about making money because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► they own the online ad business pretty early on in their lifetime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► especially the search and business at least not not display ads for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► but they own the search and business pretty quickly and they were making tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► and so it was easy to stay in that kind of small geeky engineering German spirit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► and keep making things that endeared them to us but now that spirits been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► gone for a couple of years at least probably longer than that certainly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► that's the spirit is certainly not there at the moment and and I think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► look at that honestly and say well okay they you know they grew up they they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► to make a lot of these moves but so many people in our circles or so many nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► like us still kinda give them a pass on their motivations and why they are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► things and where the money is going to come from it's not that they look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► what Google is doing and say I'm ok with that case that they don't even think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► about in their mind like wait so what what's the motivation for doing this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► know what's in it for them here how are they going to pay for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► etcetera and so Google can can be doing some pretty creepy or questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► things and get relatively little skepticism or relatively little scrutiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► yeah in a way that like Facebook doesn't because Facebook has somehow like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► initial first impression of them was that there were counted do these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► things right and I think you know to be fair I think face because it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► creepy overall as well and and what you know Facebook one of the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► challenges faced because I always had and you you can see this failed a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► times on this is that Facebook and Google the same way date they both have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► enough data on you that if you knew what they knew you'd be creeped out and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► they always have to you cannot hide what they know or use restraint in designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► new features a design the interface that things are designing how they reveal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► what they know about you to avoid creeping you out with data they already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► have or or inferences they can already draw about you and like I i heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► have or or inferences they can already draw about you and like I i heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► something like you know Facebook can tell when you're on a break up with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► girlfriend like before you can you know there's like all sorts of things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► that there's like Facebook knows a lot about you but it in the recent history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► rubles been kinda pushing into social so hard I think we've seen a pretty clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► pattern that while they both have enough data on you to appear quite creepy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► Facebook is generally a little bit better at avoiding that problem faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► because a little bit better at designing in such a way that doesn't feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► creepy as as it really is a Google is not quite get that you had a dream where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► they really want to know where you are they really totally using Google Apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► the new Google app now so it's not it's not called the features called Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► now but the new feature on iOS is just in the Google app it's just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► regular which originally was just a way to do Google searches and but you open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► it up and if your knots or even if you are signed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► there's a big button at the bottom that says location services off like and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► don't let you use I think some of them a lot of the now features unless you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► location on and I realized and and it seems to me and some of them obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► require location but I think the thing that's weird though is that it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► default if you turn location on its not just for this get back to your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► about Lake Seth Godin think about when you're in the mood to buy something yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► like it's like person tent or a permission-based marketing right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► it's it's not just when you're asking for something you know and if I'm asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► for pizza now will now we need your location to see where you are and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► give you the recommendation because that's what you're looking for is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► they want to know where you are all throughout the day where you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► right and that to me is the difference that's like the line that I i very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► comfortable with and so I don't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► location turned on in my Google App you know there's a huge difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► granting them permission to your location right now when I'm asking where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► can I get coffee vs granting them permission to track me throughout the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► day and one thing to that you know iOS is always kind of felt like a safe place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► to experiment with new apps because after so heavily sand box and restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► with what they can do and and you know when they can run even its iOS is lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► of of fully permission to background modes for apps where you can run in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► background indefinitely doing anything you want I was lack of that and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► heavy sandboxing makes it ok as a consumer to say you know what I can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► this Google app even though I don't really love Google you know that much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► don't trust them to to know everything about me I can launch this happen when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► I'm done with it I can shutdown that's it I'm good and you aren't you aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► surprised a month later to learn that it's been running in the background for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► a month or knows everything everywhere have gone for the last month right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► know I was by design kind of limits that but location services are an exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and and I hope everything you want to recap the well you can ok so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► comes out everyone's reporting massive drops of battery life when it's on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► Google issued a statement basically saying we don't constantly monitor the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► location so therefore you're all wrong and batteries finally tested but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► seems pretty universal from almost everybody using it that it is indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► doing bad things to battery life and I think it's important from you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► developer clarify what is out there doing because when you before you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► that this is just reiterate that I'm always a little suspicious of when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► software updates come out and there's vague arguments that hey this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► the iOS 4.1 point whatever is killing my battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► and it wasn't before and a lot of times when this happens it just seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► whenever any new software comes out somebody has something wrong with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► battery and false you know they they is a correlation causation thing when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► just upgraded to this thing so that must be the reason and it doesn't seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► a lot of any kind of cause and effect proof whereas with this Google now thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► it's a lot of people telling the exact same story which is that I upgraded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► the new Google app my battery life went to complete shed I uninstalled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► Google app and my battery life going back to expect and Google and then we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► adamantly saying no not us and I can't help but think that it's a effectively a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► please don't turn off location right so here's here's what I'm thinking here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► don't I haven't used the app so I can confirm this and we'll have a chat room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► so they can confirm either and you don't have a location services you can compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► me there are no more research on this beforehand but oh well there are three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► different ways you can track location and iOS with very very different battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► applications one of them is full on GPS tracking we are continuously track my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► location so you pretty much only need that if you do let me turn by turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► navigation app or something like that that destroys the battery as you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► the GPS radio running constantly itself is a huge battery battery drain + your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► app is running constantly so any processing you're doing you know if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► user has something else in the foreground you have two apps being fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► active so that that destroyed better life as anyone knows if you've ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► to my turn even with Apple's own stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► constant GPS fixes are very very expensive for the battery life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► Google says they're not doing that great that's fine I believe them they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► need to be doing that but on the other end there's the geofence which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► did it with Instapaper to do the background update when you cross a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► certain threshold news dot me actually invented that it's funny actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► guy who invented a new date me is now working on Instapaper app it works I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► stole the speech of moment and now he now it's great it's like if you steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► from somebody and you keep it and then you get married to that person when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► would expect the joint property exactly so anyway so it's a feature where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► can end and their various reminders apps have this too including apples and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► almost every to-do list has this kind of thing where you can you can say wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► my app when you enter or leave this particular set of radii and points so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► you can see like you know when it when I leave my house by more than 80 metres [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► wake up my app and so it kind of looks like a border crossing things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► sometimes I don't call but it's it's a very low-power way to monitor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► locations and and the phone and the radios are optimized to make this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► very low power and I believe it only is the radios and doesn't even turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a loose enough offense where I can for example can't use it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► remind me to buy stuff at the supermarket because the supermarket is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► about two and a half block from my house and then goes off it goes off at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► yes two and a half blocks in his way to class so I can use any critically if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► you're using the geofence API you can only monitor to 10 locations at once so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► you can't just say you know notify wake up my apt free to do whatever I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► every time you moved 10 feet you know that's that's different so there is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► an NGO fencing doesn't have much of an effect on battery life because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► really keeping the radios on more than they otherwise would be on if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► cell service so it's really it's almost free and if you have your fencing active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► in an app you'll see the location services arrow just as an outline in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► status bar will be the solid white it'll be just the outline of white around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► indicates something is using geo fencing but the battery life for that is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► much free because again you like you are waking up at often and you aren't using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► any you are using GPS radio no radios are more active than they otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► what Google's probably doing with the Google now app is the significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► location change service which I believe it uses the same radios and the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► method of monitoring location as Gio fencing so it's not using the GPS chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► so that when they say we are not consumers you track your location that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► is technically correct but if what they're doing with that information is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► waking up the app every time you move like a hundred feet if the abbot woken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► up on every single one of their doing some processing and possibly sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► your new approximate location to a server then that's keeping other parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► lead busier than they otherwise would have been even if it's not using the GPS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► chip it is at least using data radios its transmitting things including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► CPU so that is probably to call if I had to guess having not run this by myself I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► would guess they're doing that service which they can say technically is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► continuous tracking by Apple's definition it's not continuous tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► its not using the GPS chip but if they're waking up the app constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► every time you go anywhere it's gonna destroy your battery life no question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► wonder too then if it therefore it's also true that it doesn't destroy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► which i think if that were the case is shipped it it's maybe its people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► affecting people who who move a bit you know he said 150 200 feet but like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► who wakes up makes a pot of coffee in sits down in a chair for eight hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► maybe wouldn't trigger it but somebody like a college student who's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► between buildings all day or somebody who works at work in a big office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► officers can be hundreds of feet long you know it's it's pretty easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► trigger trigger changes with just walking on your own office at exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► going to meetings are going you know walking to the restaurant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► going to the review go to eat lunch etc etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► exactly right you might be gauging this you know once an hour or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► that and driving the phone and and if that is what they're doing that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► it is a little bit disingenuous to say we are tracking application constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► right or imagine imagine what would happen in that case on a commute right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► if you have an hour drive to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► yeah that's basically running constantly and if they are submitting that to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► server or saving that information in any way every time they get woken up for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► quote significant location change then I would say they are continuously tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► you just not very precisely but its precise enough to get to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► neighborhood you're in and it'll tell them that they will tell them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► what what restaurants and and subways you're near you know that it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► precisely for that kind of use its you know within a few hundred feet as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► opposed to whatever GPS's like 3 feet you know it's it's very very percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► for advertising purposes and the bottom line is that as this Abbas evolve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► Google app and Google now is just with the locations of his latest part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► app is almost all of the new stuff requires you to be signed into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► Google account even if you're not even you know and you can sign in and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► signed in and not and and do the location preference separately although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► in my opinion they actually they they kind of very the preference for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► location stuff in a sort of Facebook EADS sort of way of making it not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► obvious where you go and language surrounding it is slightly obtuse in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► opinion which I don't think it's a coincidence I get his heart it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► hard to do this box to disable location-based privacy settings yes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► cancelled gas are ok it's a little like that but boy that the whole thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6111">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► that really doesn't do it anywhere near as much work as you know when they first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► came out it was just like google.com where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► r being signed in London remember stuff but for the most part you could do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► whole thing without being sign that I don't i I don't even keep a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► account logged in on my main browser like I have so far as my main browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► and I have grown as like my my ghetto and Chrome has flash and a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxsgfvE/6140">TS</a>]
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