The Talk Show

43: All The Leaks Are Wrong


00:00:00   last day of school big day talk about a big day as a very tight the greatest [TS]

00:00:06   holiday world to get a half day you know what they do and it's awful [TS]

00:00:12   i think is is it's like a sauna quite a half day it's like an early dismissal [TS]

00:00:16   and then there's a saying a quote unquote [TS]

00:00:21   parents are invited to go to the gym the gymnasium great acoustics there and the [TS]

00:00:27   kids sing like three songs and then hit the ice kept missing it right now as we [TS]

00:00:36   speak [TS]

00:00:38   well my kids get another week and I know I know you know your your kid goes to a [TS]

00:00:46   private school and see how it is not necessary military academy military [TS]

00:00:53   marching it's nice because usually it's one of those things that last week most [TS]

00:01:03   years it coincides with the BBC so I don't get to be here for last day of [TS]

00:01:08   school but this year it's it's a week early so I can't usually his schedule [TS]

00:01:12   would be next week to its I don't know why I don't know you know it seems like [TS]

00:01:20   all sorts of early June stuff has been moved around this year but some of those [TS]

00:01:25   some of those private schools use older calendars [TS]

00:01:32   Gregorian calendar yeah Julian Julian calendar just to maintain the tradition [TS]

00:01:39   because they've been using for years they don't wanna switch they don't [TS]

00:01:43   that's why it's a private school they didn't want the government telling them [TS]

00:01:46   which calendar to use [TS]

00:01:49   United conversation would be nice n Easy is really into the Harry Potter books [TS]

00:01:54   now that I couldn't be prouder because I did not I didn't read books of that [TS]

00:02:00   length when I was in third grade I didn't I never read for pleasure I was [TS]

00:02:04   amazing I turned out to be a writer but I'm super proud of me really into him [TS]

00:02:09   and he at one point he said something about when to be great if if this for [TS]

00:02:14   real I could go to Hogwarts and I said wow sounds like fun but think about it [TS]

00:02:18   you know you have to move away from me and your mom you know you have to go [TS]

00:02:24   there and he just looks and your employer and I was like wow the idea [TS]

00:02:32   yeah Defense Against the Dark Arts crappy adored him somewhere I really [TS]

00:02:42   thought we could wait until use it [TS]

00:02:43   teenager for that yeah I guess I and they they really do that and in britain [TS]

00:02:52   at least they used to write schools like that where the alleged let them yeah I [TS]

00:02:57   think those of you know they had weird thing to wear a public school in Britain [TS]

00:03:02   is what we call private school and I don't know what they call a public [TS]

00:03:07   school like a lorry so I made an appt so I heard yeah I read about it was on the [TS]

00:03:21   internet I read about on your side was also used it s nice I like it I use it [TS]

00:03:28   every day do you really do I i do too I mean that's how I knew that that's how I [TS]

00:03:34   felt like I told myself in the lead-up to releasing every time I get real [TS]

00:03:38   nervous I do like you know what i like it so it's got to be something yeah I [TS]

00:03:43   mean of course I'm on your podcasts I have to suck up to you but I do like it [TS]

00:03:47   so you don't really like dynamited be it would be great if we had a argument over [TS]

00:03:54   he said he never used [TS]

00:04:00   I use it to like I wrote on my website I use it to trek story ideas for the most [TS]

00:04:08   part just like things that I want to write about possibly stuff that I wanted [TS]

00:04:12   to pitch the Macworld or some other place direct attack but who am I want to [TS]

00:04:16   pitch until 10 really shitty ideas and build it if everybody knows everybody [TS]

00:04:27   knows that I worked on it with Brent Simmons legendary developer and Dave [TS]

00:04:33   whiskas very very good designer but let's face it was chris is now 70 is an [TS]

00:04:42   unfair comparison yeah it really is amazing I mean davis supra towns it and [TS]

00:04:48   dave is the one who I worked with the most like I had the most interaction [TS]

00:04:52   like it is a funny thing with the three-man team but Dave ended up being [TS]

00:04:57   sort of the hub where David I would go back and forth on design and I mean [TS]

00:05:04   literally I'll bet we have tens of thousands of instant messages since [TS]

00:05:08   December started I mean I figure out a way to write a script till I go through [TS]

00:05:13   this message logs and counting but I mean thousands of messages and then we'd [TS]

00:05:20   settle on something and David be the one who would give it to brand in a form [TS]

00:05:25   that this is what we wanted to make this is what it should look like but you know [TS]

00:05:32   I had interactions with friends you know we were using the glass board internally [TS]

00:05:37   but he is amazing he truly ends like working with Brent Simmons is exactly [TS]

00:05:42   what you think it might be like like things he'll you know you like look we [TS]

00:05:49   want you to change this to be like this and he'd be like alright it's going to [TS]

00:05:52   take two days and 30 minutes later as I figure it's literally he'd be like you [TS]

00:05:57   know what I was stupid the blah blah blah I never used it before I never [TS]

00:06:02   looked at it but it was really easy to hook up and now use works [TS]

00:06:08   must be nice to be able to do that I have made a number of false starts at [TS]

00:06:17   like trying to learn how to program just anything really and I always in a while [TS]

00:06:22   but I dreamed it would be nice to be able to have that facility [TS]

00:06:28   me too and and I'll tell you what it's like with having brand and and and Dave [TS]

00:06:33   combined really for me it's like I used to use member the real basic yeah yeah I [TS]

00:06:40   around but it's sort of shifted in terms of its focus but we're back in when it [TS]

00:06:45   first came out it was Matt Connolly it was really great for someone like me who [TS]

00:06:52   can program but is not really good at programming and it sort of does all the [TS]

00:06:57   scaffolding for you and you can just sort of put a button and a thing and [TS]

00:07:00   drive around and look right and then click on the button so here's the code [TS]

00:07:04   that the button should run it was all our hyper card for people who are older [TS]

00:07:06   no longer memories a lot like that yeah and I i every so often during fireball [TS]

00:07:12   over the years i've i've you know [TS]

00:07:14   owned the lack of for lack of a better 60 modern hard right now something for [TS]

00:07:20   iPhone or iPad r you could you know drag stuff around and sort of wouldn't be a [TS]

00:07:24   replacement for Xcode it would be sort of higher-level Xcode four you know West [TS]

00:07:31   talented people I know how to say i dont no means well but like the difference [TS]

00:07:38   between iPhoto and Lightroom or Aperture right like you know that's not for pros [TS]

00:07:45   and if you are approached you're taking professional caliber photography you're [TS]

00:07:49   not gonna use iPhoto to you know take out the red eye you're going to use [TS]

00:07:53   Photoshop and Lightroom [TS]

00:07:56   the equivalent of that program will working with Brenton dave is like having [TS]

00:08:00   that except from Mike hundred years in the future where you just talk to the [TS]

00:08:06   thing and it's like it's like no I here's the idea I think that when you [TS]

00:08:11   slide the hamburger bun over to get to the sidebar there should be like this [TS]

00:08:16   parallax effect on the sidebars it drags on [TS]

00:08:21   instead of just being there it would kind of and and 10 minutes later it's [TS]

00:08:25   like I just do a pull from the source get the mercurial source could do a [TS]

00:08:30   build and into on my phone and it works and it say what it is amazing it really [TS]

00:08:36   has been a tremendous amount so everyone should just have their own branson's dad [TS]

00:08:43   to exactly my point everybody should well by you should probably buy Vesper [TS]

00:08:47   go to the Vesper . kool website keep me some son of a bitch has been sitting on [TS]

00:08:53   bestbuy.com it's just what the hell is that it's just a thing aids like [TS]

00:08:59   somebody had 10 years ago randomly but we had to settle for Best Rap didn't go [TS]

00:09:06   about but he didn't get in contact you contacted you try to sell it to you for [TS]

00:09:11   themselves and no not yet maybe well I don't know seems like that that would be [TS]

00:09:18   likely the next shoe to drop [TS]

00:09:22   smart right and yeah I guess I don't know who knows everything about the guys [TS]

00:09:28   newspaper dot com now got a newspaper dot com is that alright yeah it is safe [TS]

00:09:35   for work I guarantee you it is in fact it is the safest for work website on the [TS]

00:09:39   internet [TS]

00:09:40   everybody out there listening to the show opened around it [TS]

00:09:45   newspaper deca is why it's taking so on it see what you did there [TS]

00:09:55   there weren't newspapers that calm those newspaper dot com the stock may be well [TS]

00:10:13   anyway points to dare not having or not having good technology days [TS]

00:10:17   yea well here's the spoiler it points to daring fireball that yeah and I it's not [TS]

00:10:26   mine I don't know it owns it though [TS]

00:10:31   knows that it's valuable and I don't even know his name ID I think he did [TS]

00:10:35   email I might have his name but what happened is I started getting offers [TS]

00:10:42   from people who wanted to buy it and I was I why why are people doing is why am [TS]

00:10:50   I getting offers for this domain that I don't have and then I went to it and I [TS]

00:10:54   saw that appointed to during fireball done and i got very confused and so [TS]

00:10:58   somehow I got in touch with the guy and he long story short he's had it for [TS]

00:11:01   years he knows it valuable doesn't really want to sell it though and [TS]

00:11:04   doesn't want to give it to jerks and he said I just you know but I really like [TS]

00:11:08   your website so I figured I just pointed there for now I have nothing better to [TS]

00:11:11   put their ok cool with me you know and he was a few but if you don't want to [TS]

00:11:15   take it away and I was like nah I don't care that explains why your views [TS]

00:11:20   yeah I never thought of that actually is I did I try to get some kind of pick up [TS]

00:11:28   on their redirect the first if you sold it and something else went there and [TS]

00:11:33   then all of a sudden my traffic just completely dried up times out of my [TS]

00:11:37   website is not that popular [TS]

00:11:43   yeah I'm sure that would be really funny so when the times comes out this episode [TS]

00:11:59   it should come out over the weekend I want this episode we talk we can talk to [TS]

00:12:05   me she is coming up here you know what's amazing about the BBC is how you know [TS]

00:12:13   what I should tell everybody I'm gonna tell everybody before I want that so why [TS]

00:12:17   aren't why why why do I have Jon Moulton shows that Brent and Dave Brennan David [TS]

00:12:21   but they've got podcast to brent has the one he does with Michael Simmons the [TS]

00:12:27   identical cousins Michael Simmons guy behind fantastical a bunch of other [TS]

00:12:33   great great apps brenton him who are not related because they're nice name is the [TS]

00:12:40   same they have to have a podcast together and it's it's cool and Dave of [TS]

00:12:44   course has right here on your radio has the unprofessional with Lex Friedman [TS]

00:12:49   which is pretty good podcast and I never listened to it but yet they get some [TS]

00:12:54   pretty good guests they do they do you've been on it right [TS]

00:12:57   apart from you and your wife yeah I don't know they get amazing that's [TS]

00:13:04   actually they do they don't know how they do it [TS]

00:13:10   but we figured hey you know what would be fair would be maybe we'll do the talk [TS]

00:13:19   show eventually but why don't we do somebody else show and so we did Rene [TS]

00:13:24   Ritchie and guy english is the bug pod casts a neighbor beta testers to say [TS]

00:13:29   they knew about him we recorded it a few days ago and that's out there just [TS]

00:13:34   google it but anybody who likes the talk show you hear a lot of this episode of [TS]

00:13:39   debug it is take two hours of us talking everything faster and collaboration and [TS]

00:13:45   how do people three guys who work in Seattle Denver in philadelphia you know [TS]

00:13:51   collaborate making out I thought it really turned out great so look for that [TS]

00:13:56   it's the bug pod debug over there at the IM or website but it's really really [TS]

00:14:02   good I think people here again like Jesus mark I call my God he's incredibly [TS]

00:14:10   smart yeah and guide English as good-looking [TS]

00:14:14   wbez so you know it's amazing i think is a major recording us on Friday there is [TS]

00:14:27   like nothing like there's a little is there time is somehow well there's the [TS]

00:14:33   update Mac Pro right right and MacBook Air right those who seem pretty sure for [TS]

00:14:42   next week rain and then everything else is kind of the map pros who had like a [TS]

00:14:54   detailed in some of these guys get really into it was really great cause I [TS]

00:14:58   marco gets guess that's because he really needs it and I'll bookmark oh [TS]

00:15:02   really gets into it with the Intel roadmap and knowing like what intel has [TS]

00:15:09   and therefore what's possible and then I don't know maybe I'm just losing it as I [TS]

00:15:13   get older I can't do that level of research I just tell me what to wait for [TS]

00:15:19   Apple [TS]

00:15:20   yeah we would you really buy one I would consider it because I still been putting [TS]

00:15:28   this off for years and just breaking down and getting a new computer on my [TS]

00:15:33   computer is ancient my monitor still call it a monitor my my display is [TS]

00:15:38   ancient only 20 inches I think it's like a 89 years old I don't know that so I'm [TS]

00:15:46   due for a nice big upgrade here on my desk and I just been waiting for the [TS]

00:15:49   right one and I just keep putting off buying an iMac because I just feel like [TS]

00:15:53   it's just resistant to timely displayed to the computer and I don't think the [TS]

00:15:59   many I don't want them anymore [TS]

00:16:00   something better if it's gonna be on my desktop something's going too fast for [TS]

00:16:04   years to come [TS]

00:16:05   yeah it does seem more though that it really is a prose more of a pro machine [TS]

00:16:12   then used to be even much more than a MacBook Pro is the laptop seems like [TS]

00:16:23   more people get it then just really professionals right where I was only [TS]

00:16:28   professionals are really interested in the Mac Pro these days it used to be [TS]

00:16:31   that it was not an uncommon thing to get a machine that you wanted to use for [TS]

00:16:36   gaming or whatever and you would upgrade it to you wanted something that you can [TS]

00:16:40   upgrade all the parts inside right now the prices have come down to the point [TS]

00:16:44   where it's just like you just buy a new one every few years keep up that way cuz [TS]

00:16:50   I always ran into this problem I I haven't had a pro since my last one was [TS]

00:16:54   1999 sought to ends I used it for years and kept upgrading components on the [TS]

00:17:01   inside but then eventually you run into the problem where there are hardy [TS]

00:17:05   peripheral makers mark support adding cards right they only want you know if [TS]

00:17:12   your night if you're not playing you're playing it the device into an Apple [TS]

00:17:17   supplied USB three-card they're not going to help you write so if you put a [TS]

00:17:24   PCI PCI [TS]

00:17:26   third-party PCI card that gives your older Mac USB 3 o'clock sound so worth [TS]

00:17:36   it anymore [TS]

00:17:37   know and it sounds like from the rumors that what they're going to do if they [TS]

00:17:42   really do have macros who announces that they're gonna change from internal you [TS]

00:17:46   know so gonna be upgradeable ma'am but it's gonna be all about the Thunderball [TS]

00:17:51   Thunderbolt Thunderbolt and it's gonna be so I think I can only assume if its [TS]

00:17:59   external rather than internal therefore the actual Mac Pro therefore it shrink [TS]

00:18:04   in size tremendously yeah and then you'll just you know connect whatever [TS]

00:18:09   external stuff you need through Thunderbolt yeah interesting it would be [TS]

00:18:17   I mean I guess that's possible I guess I should have brought his eyes are [TS]

00:18:23   arguments he's probably likes to having a stroke as he listens to what would it [TS]

00:18:29   be possible to have an external video card I guess so I guess that's the whole [TS]

00:18:32   point right like if you wanted to add an extra video card to add another algor [TS]

00:18:37   style 30 inch display your desk you do you have some kind of external seems [TS]

00:18:44   crazy yeah but I think that's the gist of the expectations that Mac Pro [TS]

00:18:51   hardware MacBook Airs well they will they will air not be right now [TS]

00:18:57   no question but most you know I think most of the things going to be about the [TS]

00:19:03   software it's gonna be about 10 10.9 and iOS satin and nobody seems to know jack [TS]

00:19:11   about yeah it's kind of exciting so is it Monday yes Monday morning right [TS]

00:19:18   because the BWC runs all week so that he noticed Monday even though they usually [TS]

00:19:25   prefer Tuesday announcements and stuff now I'm super excited I know absolutely [TS]

00:19:31   almost absolutely nothing I don't think I've been this ignorant of what's coming [TS]

00:19:36   software wise for a keynote since there I found one back in 2007 which is great [TS]

00:19:45   I'm super excited about it was they get up there and you know they don't have [TS]

00:19:49   anything to announce great the last thing I keep hearing over and over again [TS]

00:19:58   from friends who would now is the one word I keep hearing that its they have [TS]

00:20:04   the some of the stuff they're gonna show is quote unquote polarizing flat no [TS]

00:20:08   horizon yeah and I also heard from somebody that just just quote all the [TS]

00:20:18   leaks are wrong which is interesting I have no idea what to make of it one way [TS]

00:20:26   that could be wouldn't it be great if it was like the new look is couldn't be [TS]

00:20:32   more extravagantly school Norfolk like it's like the entire OS looks like [TS]

00:20:39   liberace house and movie Salt Lake gold and shiny like we got rid of all the [TS]

00:20:48   felt and leather and replaced it with gold and platinum skins they have a lot [TS]

00:20:52   of skill bunch of skins right and and and you do an in-app purchase to upgrade [TS]

00:20:57   it to get more right to get like you know it comes with diamonds but there [TS]

00:21:02   lay low on whether those things clarity and color cut clarity clarity and you [TS]

00:21:10   gotta do it in a boat great to get a better diamond or diamonds you remember [TS]

00:21:16   all those member the skins that they hadn't ate her actually come out Johnny [TS]

00:21:27   can please get kaleidoscope kaleidoscope for years and then they did put they did [TS]

00:21:33   put that in there but what happened is and then jobs to go back out when he got [TS]

00:21:38   back before it actually shipped so they aid with the appearance manager was what [TS]

00:21:49   it was called it was the shift where they it was called the appearance [TS]

00:21:52   manager capital a capital and and that was a big pain in the ass for developers [TS]

00:21:57   to support lot of rewriting [TS]

00:21:59   which was all about making it tmobile and then jobs got there and said these [TS]

00:22:05   other things all look like garbage will not ship and take him out you know we're [TS]

00:22:10   we're the user doesn't design the system we do this is what it looks like so they [TS]

00:22:15   had to they shipped the OS with this appearance manager that supports [TS]

00:22:18   multiple teams that never had more than one thing and I guess the other ones [TS]

00:22:23   leaked you know that was a gizmo and Tecmo or something like that techno was [TS]

00:22:28   like a dark black one [TS]

00:22:30   kids kids one that was like nickelodeon it was like yeah I symmetrical and i'd [TS]

00:22:38   like little squeeze you know like spiral straws and stuff like that but they [TS]

00:22:46   never shipped I don't remember if I characters I think hackers you know like [TS]

00:22:51   enthusiasts ended up backwards engineering team format and so you could [TS]

00:22:55   get a way that you can get kaleidoscope parents manager themes but I don't think [TS]

00:23:01   it ever overtaking the people who are into that stuck with kaleidoscope [TS]

00:23:04   because it actually yeah I was better and more teams [TS]

00:23:13   so what do you expect well other than this this too hard or things they [TS]

00:23:19   mentioned I don't know either be nice to see something about the iPhone hardware [TS]

00:23:26   wise but that doesn't seem like that's the less they come out with their lunch [TS]

00:23:33   doing once the cheaper fun yeah I just don't see it yeah it would be it would [TS]

00:23:42   certainly be a big drop out of nowhere i mean it wouldn't be shocking no but it's [TS]

00:23:46   just it just seems like that sort of thing if it were coming [TS]

00:23:51   would be braced for it and I do think that the the thing Tim Cook said it was [TS]

00:23:58   a deal of and I think that was the only place he really tough spot but where he [TS]

00:24:01   said you know we've got great stuff in a line later in the year and next year I [TS]

00:24:05   think that means later in the year [TS]

00:24:09   you know and Mac doesn't even count anymore [TS]

00:24:13   well you know it doesn't ask terms of what drives like the market at large [TS]

00:24:19   like it you know it doesn't matter like let's just say Monday come Monday they [TS]

00:24:22   announced a new Mac Pro and it makes everybody happy [TS]

00:24:27   John Siracusa is happy Marco is happy you know it's super powerful it is super [TS]

00:24:33   expandable it is at a great price and it looks cool that does nothing to Apple's [TS]

00:24:39   stock and it does nothing it shouldn't actually that's what is one case is [TS]

00:24:43   gonna complain cuz I think you know the most possible Mac Pros they would sell [TS]

00:24:46   at the best price with great margins and amazing product is almost negligible to [TS]

00:24:53   their bottom that's why Tim Cook I think has to sort of say that he can't they [TS]

00:25:01   can't oversell the Mac Pro is being like important product yeah it seems like the [TS]

00:25:08   Mac liners [TS]

00:25:13   caught up with family is that's affecting the PC industry as a whole [TS]

00:25:17   yeah I don't think so [TS]

00:25:20   stock prices you see this I just saw this today gary that's the the new [TS]

00:25:26   website from Ben Ben Thompson [TS]

00:25:33   have to could say he's got a thing here Samsung Electronics lost twelve billion [TS]

00:25:41   dollars in market value on smartphone worries so it seems like they're copying [TS]

00:25:45   everything from Apple shamelessly now they're even com being irrational [TS]

00:25:53   investor panic that loses billions of dollars in market cap in a single day on [TS]

00:26:00   slowing sales of flagship Galaxy s4 smartphone right which I don't know [TS]

00:26:06   because again and this is you know you know here's me trying to be hopeful [TS]

00:26:13   showing that I'm not you know Point Lepreau Apple like I just makes no sense [TS]

00:26:17   to me this Samsung is everybody everything I saw that the Galaxy s4 is [TS]

00:26:24   showing exactly as they wanted to galaxy s4 to sell it seemed like it was [TS]

00:26:29   something fairly well but at the same time I think some of the analysts and [TS]

00:26:33   all the stuff is about Wall Street expectations and what they had expected [TS]

00:26:36   was something like thirty million a quarter and it was only selling like 20 [TS]

00:26:42   million a quarter they were so they had to cut their expectations I guess I [TS]

00:26:46   don't know and who knows if they're right [TS]

00:26:49   yeah I don't have it but it just seems like 12 billion in a day as hell of a [TS]

00:26:54   haircut yeah yeah you know and again it is you know it's a while be competitive [TS]

00:27:02   business and traditionally you know fortunes do change every few years so [TS]

00:27:06   you know I'm not saying that everybody Samsung and Apple's positions are locked [TS]

00:27:11   in [TS]

00:27:11   and a sure thing going forward for ever and ever of course not but you know $12 [TS]

00:27:16   market company doesn't seem irrational seems like anybody investing in in [TS]

00:27:23   mobile technology and tablets cell phones pretty much treats it like being [TS]

00:27:30   drunk at the blackjack table double down and I don't know where it's always think [TS]

00:27:39   that they have they try to keep the money that money in the same sort of [TS]

00:27:45   industry in general so you're investing in Apple and Samsung take your money out [TS]

00:27:50   you know I should take your money out of those two are you putting it right [TS]

00:27:53   the other thing that Ben Thompson had talked about I think maybe it was last [TS]

00:27:59   week that I want to talk to you about was Apple TV predictions because he has [TS]

00:28:05   predicted an SDK for the Apple TV and we had talked about this like you and i [TS]

00:28:12   talked about this awhile you know and no one's been talking about that recently [TS]

00:28:16   but he brought that back up but good topic let's get to it but let's do the [TS]

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00:29:46   I've been to to several an event two parts and they're one of the best runs [TS]

00:29:53   smooth this conferences I ever been at has actually the very first one the [TS]

00:29:58   first one was actually in philadelphia back in 2007 eight something like that [TS]

00:30:05   it was raining Philadelphia and I was a couple years ago in chicago is fantastic [TS]

00:30:10   amazing conference yeah and they always have some of our pals speaking great [TS]

00:30:19   speakers really really great see Mike Montero's mug on their page yeah Mike's [TS]

00:30:24   been there [TS]

00:30:25   Jason Santa Maria as a long time speaker there man that guy now added to talk [TS]

00:30:30   about typography and stuff like that [TS]

00:30:32   great great stuff so Apple TV next week but that would be a good surprise that [TS]

00:30:38   would be exciting [TS]

00:30:39   yeah here's why I think he's wrong unless I think and and guy English and I [TS]

00:30:47   have talked this over you know you know you know deja boo talk about on the show [TS]

00:30:52   I think that he's right that there is an SDK coming for Apple TV and apps and [TS]

00:30:58   that it'll be a third party thing I don't think it's coming to the Apple TV [TS]

00:31:02   that we have today I think it requires next-generation hardware and the reason [TS]

00:31:09   I think that is that I think it requires some sort of next generation remote [TS]

00:31:14   right and the current one just doesn't doesn't have anything [TS]

00:31:21   you could you could do it's it's fine for play pause and you know seek up down [TS]

00:31:27   left right play pause but it's not good for any so so it really wouldn't be good [TS]

00:31:32   for you no absolute did anything more than just deliver video content which [TS]

00:31:37   alone is a big deal I mean let's face it things are TV but I you know I think [TS]

00:31:42   that thing needs games and stuff like that and I think that needs a next [TS]

00:31:46   generation remote and I don't think that the remote can be just use this app on [TS]

00:31:53   your iPhone or iPod iPad or something like that why not cause I think it's [TS]

00:31:59   clumsy I think it's weird to think that you've got a Fisher iPhone out of your [TS]

00:32:04   pocket just 22 do anything on the TV I think you need a remote that sits there [TS]

00:32:08   on your coffee table and it's ready to go and it doesn't cost six or seven [TS]

00:32:12   hundred dollars yeah I mean I guess our iPod touches you know two hundred and [TS]

00:32:19   twenty now that they have the new one but you can't sell $99 set-top box that [TS]

00:32:24   requires a $220 remote doesn't work and I just don't think and how is the right [TS]

00:32:30   thing I don't think has ABS there's other things I think that you know I [TS]

00:32:37   found is all about looking at the screen and touching things right TV is about [TS]

00:32:41   looking not at your remote it's about looking at this screen right you need [TS]

00:32:46   remote that that you don't look at use and the iPhone is not in glasses gives [TS]

00:32:54   you know fortunes for knowing what you're doing it seems weird to think of [TS]

00:33:00   Apple shipping [TS]

00:33:02   a remote with physical keys for gaming yeah I died that is where my imagination [TS]

00:33:09   feels me and maybe maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm all wet and it really is something [TS]

00:33:14   about apps and app that you control it with her or maybe it's like a connected [TS]

00:33:19   type thing and you wave your hand and talk to I don't know why I like the [TS]

00:33:22   imagination to even think about what it is but I just know that I just seems to [TS]

00:33:27   me and i got though I can't imagine what the new thing that I think they have to [TS]

00:33:32   make to make this happen [TS]

00:33:34   is but I do know that the one I have downstairs isn't it right you can't just [TS]

00:33:39   have that little crime in remote and now it's really just the remote it's not [TS]

00:33:43   it's not so much that anything with the device yeah I don't think that in terms [TS]

00:33:48   of you know now that they've got 1080p output and terms of hardware and I don't [TS]

00:33:54   think it needs to be all that computationally although maybe it needs [TS]

00:33:58   better graphics for games you know maybe the you know like I don't think that [TS]

00:34:01   they're obviously not gonna obviously but I think we know how Apple isn't [TS]

00:34:05   going to get any graphics horsepower race with Xbox and Playstation and self [TS]

00:34:11   3 $400 things that are at a loss but more graphics power did you know it's [TS]

00:34:20   always better but I don't know how different it is then you know the right [TS]

00:34:27   now I know I think that these days 687 or whatever the next one's going to be [TS]

00:34:33   you know are already pretty graphically powerful yeah that's the that's sort of [TS]

00:34:40   the dark horse [TS]

00:34:41   what do you think well I don't see me I don't see why they couldn't deliver [TS]

00:34:46   remote next week and the SDK but you know I certainly haven't heard anything [TS]

00:34:56   I guess he was the only one that I noticed talking about it and it just jog [TS]

00:35:02   my memory that what that was something seemed like something that was our list [TS]

00:35:06   of possibilities and then dropped off the radar is it didn't happen for a [TS]

00:35:12   while [TS]

00:35:12   yeah and I guess the other thing that I maybe he's right [TS]

00:35:17   is is i guess the other thing I think my head is it would be weird if they [TS]

00:35:24   announce it and say we have this great new App Store and so you have to buy a [TS]

00:35:28   new Apple TV and all of you guys who've already bought an Apple TV stuff like [TS]

00:35:34   that so hard that I will never does that not not that I will never do you know is [TS]

00:35:38   afraid to give you tough cookies [TS]

00:35:40   news you know lovers of floppy drives but it seems a little I don't know it [TS]

00:35:48   seems like that's a tough thing to why couldn't they just solid remote [TS]

00:35:51   separately and maybe doesn't I guess I you know it comes comes with a new one [TS]

00:35:57   where I and maybe by and you probably mean if you're gonna have who's gonna be [TS]

00:36:01   like Bluetooth Bluetooth yeah that's low power and if it's gonna be like the Wii [TS]

00:36:09   or whatever you probably don't want six of them maybe I don't know yeah I didn't [TS]

00:36:17   I didn't even think about that if you like a combination remote game [TS]

00:36:20   controller you'd want multiple ones you get your Wii U yes that does have that [TS]

00:36:30   has a screen but it actually has physical buttons on the remote yes it's [TS]

00:36:35   a weird thing and I you know I mean Jonas really like to end I'm just by [TS]

00:36:42   coincidence it really is funny our old we crapped out like a couple of days [TS]

00:36:49   before Christmas and so you know we actually needed something I mean I guess [TS]

00:36:57   I could have gotten you we but it's it does seem like the Wii U is not getting [TS]

00:37:02   a lot of games and controllers interesting but it is weird yeah the [TS]

00:37:07   weirdest thing about it is that it currently only supports one like you can [TS]

00:37:13   use as many free to play multiplayer games you just use the old Wii [TS]

00:37:16   controllers but the new touch screen that the one negative thing the system [TS]

00:37:21   can only support one of those at the time cuz that's not what the I'm pretty [TS]

00:37:28   sure that's not what the entry [TS]

00:37:30   videos show thing came out I don't know I don't think that they showed more I [TS]

00:37:36   don't know but it does it it was a surprise to me it's because it does seem [TS]

00:37:39   to me like [TS]

00:37:40   just seems no fair game and I get this fancy new touch screen thing here you [TS]

00:37:48   get a joystick but I guess all the multiplayer games we have so far when [TS]

00:37:52   you do play multiplayer at both people have to use the the old school you and [TS]

00:37:56   it's just single player games are you get the touchscreen games that take [TS]

00:38:02   advantage of it he's got this batman arkham Asylum game which is of [TS]

00:38:08   questionable content level 49 that's rated for like 45 hurt him but he's [TS]

00:38:19   seeing you know he's seen the shining so that it does have some cool stuff where [TS]

00:38:29   is the the gimmick is that the touch screen is Batman has built a new thing I [TS]

00:38:36   super he sort of got like an iPhone built into his rest on his armor and I'm [TS]

00:38:43   so honored he's got an iWatch sort of yeah he's got like a lot like a big four [TS]

00:38:48   inch i watch and the remote is the iWatch so they you know so you have [TS]

00:38:56   another game is right and it's it seems like well done but it's no surprise that [TS]

00:39:05   in 10 days I think you know I do think that the potential there is for this [TS]

00:39:14   sort of explosive vibrant in gaming that you see in the App Store for iPhone and [TS]

00:39:23   iPad where two guys can just go and make games and I know that there's things [TS]

00:39:28   like that for PlayStation and you know there's a marketplace or something like [TS]

00:39:32   that but Apple does that better than anybody else ya like everybody else say [TS]

00:39:37   hey Playstations had them what do you call it an Xbox has the 360 marketer [TS]

00:39:42   likes box delivered [TS]

00:39:43   it's called where you can download indie games but you know so you know like [TS]

00:39:48   everything else Apple won't be first but they'll pee and the way they don't seem [TS]

00:39:55   they seem like they're older games on the Xbox but it seems like they're older [TS]

00:40:00   games on the Wii usually not anyone's are not as good as the stuff that you [TS]

00:40:07   get on the desk right whereas I foresee with Apple it would be a type of thing [TS]

00:40:11   where you're in an indie game might turn out to be like the the hit game of the [TS]

00:40:16   year right [TS]

00:40:17   the biggest game in again not in this little ghetto where da and you know the [TS]

00:40:22   big publishers like that all the flagship titles in Europe over here in [TS]

00:40:25   the little little market I would foresee it like to the AppStore where you know [TS]

00:40:33   you guys can make you know doodle jump into things like the top grossing app [TS]

00:40:38   and the whole thing for their world it seems like that's right now given the [TS]

00:40:54   whining [TS]

00:40:57   yeah it kind of would be I still think I've said this before many times are [TS]

00:41:02   poor poor friends in Munster who I really think is losing his mind you see [TS]

00:41:10   he tweeted at me when I yeah yeah it's good spirit could strike Gene Munster [TS]

00:41:19   for those of you who don't know our poll analyst he's somewhere like minneapolis [TS]

00:41:24   or something like that [TS]

00:41:25   long-term follower the company oft-quoted he's you know he's always [TS]

00:41:30   available to media looking for a quote on a ball and for the most part I think [TS]

00:41:34   he gets the company is not a jackass he's you know pretty astute analyst and [TS]

00:41:42   but he's upset I would say I think for about five or six years with the idea of [TS]

00:41:47   Apple selling a TV set like actually in in his world the Apple TV is intact [TS]

00:41:54   told the screen 50 60 inch LCD or whatever it would be screen and he's [TS]

00:41:59   been saying that it's coming in a year for about five years does everybody say [TS]

00:42:06   that's right that's that's about right and as time goes on and they might be [TS]

00:42:10   working but he is obsession is is just palpable like where you know help [TS]

00:42:16   chinaman every time on a conference call and it's time for Gene Munster you know [TS]

00:42:21   it's gonna be something Apple TV and he he hears stuff just isn't there at like [TS]

00:42:29   when when Tim Cook on the last one said you know more or less he said we've got [TS]

00:42:36   some great products that were working on for later this year and next year right [TS]

00:42:43   now more or less is what he said Gene Munster heard that as we're gonna have [TS]

00:42:48   an hour later this year or next year right [TS]

00:42:52   well maybe you know it could be but that's not what he said but I think I [TS]

00:43:01   still think I think that Apple TV strategy is what we see I think it's [TS]

00:43:07   right in front of us it's $99 bucks hook up to any TV that you want and you know [TS]

00:43:13   there are some interracial interracial right but not not it doesn't seem like [TS]

00:43:19   there's value trying to get in $2,000 huge screens right or you know and I've [TS]

00:43:29   said this before too maybe they would but only as like in addition to a box [TS]

00:43:36   you can put into anybody's TV right that they would still sell the $99 bucks and [TS]

00:43:42   maybe they would also selling Apple branded TV said that has it built him [TS]

00:43:45   but so you can get on the platform and by the absent use your Apple TV with [TS]

00:43:51   your existing TV set and if you're in the market for a new TV said you could [TS]

00:43:55   just buy the Apple one and then [TS]

00:43:56   nice box but I don't think that they would go TV set only because it seems to [TS]

00:44:01   me like they'd be purposefully taking on a very small part of the market which is [TS]

00:44:05   the people in in the market for a new TV so I mean like look at the iPhone right [TS]

00:44:12   the iPhone has been a tremendous hit but people didn't buy them all at once [TS]

00:44:17   people bought them over time as they needed indoor wanted a new cell phone [TS]

00:44:22   right it's a huge hit that Apple doesn't make it it's like i skogen line and buy [TS]

00:44:27   stuff on day one but that's not normal people right normal people but their [TS]

00:44:31   iPhone when they're old iPhone when they're old phone broker they finally [TS]

00:44:34   got fed up with it or just kind of got in the mood or there or especially when [TS]

00:44:38   their contracts contract so I think you know the TV industry had a great decade [TS]

00:44:45   because you know just about everybody I know you know has shifted from big old [TS]

00:44:52   clunky classy artis to you know nice flat screen plasma or LCD or whatever [TS]

00:45:00   you know wide-screen TVs but everybody you know I think normal people think [TS]

00:45:06   well now it's like this club thing you know you know I had a nice couch I solve [TS]

00:45:12   the counter problem I don't need to worry about a catch [TS]

00:45:14   well now it's like I feel like my TV set is set and I'm hunting market for a new [TS]

00:45:18   TV said yeah it's like the same thing with cars sometimes speculate that Apple [TS]

00:45:29   are you can [TS]

00:45:34   just get into that you know you gotta wait a long time in order to to make any [TS]

00:45:40   money out of other one of those businesses because people aren't just [TS]

00:45:43   get up and run out and buy another one [TS]

00:45:45   know but if they sold it is $99 boxes attached anybody's all of a sudden it's [TS]

00:45:52   a new thing and you don't have to replace anything and you don't have to a [TS]

00:45:56   lot of large amount of cash and boom you're in a couple of things on talk [TS]

00:46:03   about let's do the others the second [TS]

00:46:06   get there do that anymore finish up on talk about that the e-book price-fixing [TS]

00:46:11   oh yeah and I like that it's funny I can't wait to talk about it but our [TS]

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00:48:08   you're coming from here I thought today in commended those with its sponsorship [TS]

00:48:12   it ends up I found out how those code or six stands for June 6 not sure who's [TS]

00:48:20   sponsoring shows later a month but if if there's another Squarespace sponsored [TS]

00:48:25   later in the month it'll still be talk show sex but if you listen to this [TS]

00:48:27   episode use that one and I know you came from the show you need a website you're [TS]

00:48:32   not sure if you don't check out Squarespace [TS]

00:48:34   the great thing about them is that you don't know you know you're probably [TS]

00:48:37   visiting a whole bunch of great scripts spaced sites and you don't even know it [TS]

00:48:41   that is a great point that's a great point is not like you sign up for [TS]

00:48:45   Squarespace and now you've got a Squarespace site and his yeah it's not [TS]

00:48:50   square space.com it's not just no logo and there's nothing it's your site and [TS]

00:48:54   it's just it's easy to put together with their tools yeah absolutely [TS]

00:49:01   e-book price-fixing case that's gone to trial and it it's kind of interesting [TS]

00:49:13   I've had a busy week with him so I'm not as as versed on this is I would be in a [TS]

00:49:19   normal but I've been following and and Philip elmer-dewitt has had some good [TS]

00:49:23   coverage as have some others my perspective at the outset of this is [TS]

00:49:28   that that again and then and you know critics of me you know the Pro Apple by [TS]

00:49:37   US I mean like maybe maybe this is a case where they are right because my [TS]

00:49:40   thought going into this is that this seems like bullshit because [TS]

00:49:46   and and I'm not alone scott turow the president of the authors guild months [TS]

00:49:51   ago had an op-ed in the New York Times and saying that you know the authors are [TS]

00:49:55   on Apple's site at this that they were opposed to Amazon which had either [TS]

00:50:00   monopoly or near monopoly on e-books and we're selling books at a loss like you [TS]

00:50:09   know scott turow or anybody big-name novelist comes out with a new novel [TS]

00:50:12   publisher wants the eBook version that $15 so Amazon would buy it for $15 from [TS]

00:50:18   them and sell it for $9.99 and now that's you know from a consumer point [TS]

00:50:23   that's great I can see and I know there's a lot of fans of Amazon for [TS]

00:50:27   doing this because consumers think that's great I don't care of Amazon [TS]

00:50:30   sells a loss I've saved five bucks on a book that's great authors don't like it [TS]

00:50:36   though even though they get paid the wholesale price I want to because what [TS]

00:50:39   they could see is that if Amazon solidified a long-term monopoly then all [TS]

00:50:45   of a sudden Amazon's going to say okay now wholesale cost is $6 because we're [TS]

00:50:52   gonna keep selling $9.99 and now we'd like to have a profit and you know they [TS]

00:50:56   have to act we ask because there's a monopoly and there's no other way to do [TS]

00:50:59   it and so instead of $15 bucks would be $6 books and consumers will be left out [TS]

00:51:05   of it because they'd still be by 9 99 bucks but all of a sudden the the [TS]

00:51:09   revenue generated by these books have been decimated by saying that's exactly [TS]

00:51:13   what would happen but that's the point of view of the authors and publishers of [TS]

00:51:16   Amazon's selling at a loss thing you know and this agency model is a way to [TS]

00:51:24   make sure that publishers can't sell our resellers can sell books and a loss you [TS]

00:51:31   know it's the App Store model that's exactly like the App Store where [TS]

00:51:34   whatever the prices the store gets 30% you know and that's it it's an [TS]

00:51:43   interesting case because there are several ways to look at it because you [TS]

00:51:48   could say was the bad guys they're trying to drive prices up [TS]

00:51:53   same time Amazon price fixing because Apple is trying to get one [TS]

00:51:58   get all these publishers to collude in in fixing the prices of these books and [TS]

00:52:03   at the same time [TS]

00:52:04   Amazon because it's a panoply doesn't have to do collusion and price-fixing at [TS]

00:52:10   just fix the price because it just doesn't itself right that's its power as [TS]

00:52:16   a as a basis it's arguably it's pretty close to monopoly rights there are other [TS]

00:52:24   ways your books but you know and Apple you know and it's not that Apple wanted [TS]

00:52:29   to raise prices it's a terrible wanted to let publishers set prices right so [TS]

00:52:33   like for example with Vesper we chose the price there is no you know we could [TS]

00:52:38   have charged $0.99 we could have charged what was that I'm rich up $999.99 that [TS]

00:52:47   was the maximum price in the App Store [TS]

00:52:49   you know we picked the price and whatever price you know has to be in the [TS]

00:52:55   $0.99 so you know any integer from 0 to 99 999 and then Apple takes 30% off [TS]

00:53:03   every cell and that's it we pick the price why shouldn't book the people who [TS]

00:53:07   make books have that same privilege a right to set the price of their book it [TS]

00:53:14   doesn't seem unreasonable to me or me another way of putting his to me and [TS]

00:53:23   other way of putting it is that Apple's proposal to booksellers is why don't we [TS]

00:53:28   sell e-books like we sell apps you set the price we take 30% and handle the [TS]

00:53:35   distribution in the and you know it so I don't see how that's any more [TS]

00:53:41   price-fixing than its price fixing with the App Store and yet all these [TS]

00:53:46   publishers rolled over I don't think they want to see yeah yeah there's lots [TS]

00:53:54   of reasons why they might but apparently they just didn't want to deal with it [TS]

00:53:58   and they're still they are still have what they wanted which is the agency [TS]

00:54:02   model right that they've sort of giving in to the DOJ but they still have the [TS]

00:54:06   agency model right isn't that how the Kindle [TS]

00:54:09   looks like Amazon on the same page with that now yes yeah so then yesterday this [TS]

00:54:21   is the thing that means just amazing [TS]

00:54:26   is a stupid stories [TS]

00:54:32   well the ones is this the first one is an Amazon executive took the stand and [TS]

00:54:39   wouldn't answer any questions this is Russell Grandinetti Amazon's vice [TS]

00:54:45   president for Kindle content was asked in court about a meeting he attended and [TS]

00:54:49   Jeff Bezos boathouse and he said I'm not comfortable discussing the contents of [TS]

00:54:56   that meeting and he wouldn't even say whether pesos was there how weird is [TS]

00:55:03   that [TS]

00:55:04   yeah that picture that you would retweeted was a joke [TS]

00:55:14   yeah that was a joke it was ok ok I get it was a scene from The Godfather [TS]

00:55:19   somebody that picture retweeted was here [TS]

00:55:25   here's a picture from the meeting and vases his house and it was it was the [TS]

00:55:30   lake house in the godfather to where Michael decides to take care of his [TS]

00:55:37   brother so there's that [TS]

00:55:45   yeah which is very strange and well anyway it's very strange and then today [TS]

00:55:53   there's another story about this is on the verge about Google's testimony they [TS]

00:56:07   basically got the Google [TS]

00:56:08   up on the stand and he initially said that publishers or telling him directly [TS]

00:56:23   at apple sold them directly that they were switching to the agency model [TS]

00:56:27   because contracts entered into with Apple required it and then [TS]

00:56:33   cross-examining he said well i kno who dis and who told you that is all I can [TS]

00:56:42   remember but many said well might have been somebody on my team that they told [TS]

00:56:46   and he basically just admitted that he did not know many instances of telling [TS]

00:56:53   anybody [TS]

00:56:56   completely completely collapse which seems like why would you go in saying [TS]

00:57:06   that if you weren't able to back it up very very strange so I asked about the [TS]

00:57:13   guy them as a guy who wouldn't answer questions I thought I was so bizarre and [TS]

00:57:17   in a way was explained to me is what could have been sort of taking the fifth [TS]

00:57:22   amendment invoking the right not to incriminate yourself and which you [TS]

00:57:27   shouldn't I i do you know it's amazing part of our constitution and I fully [TS]

00:57:32   support it but you know when you invoke it does imply that you know you're [TS]

00:57:39   acknowledging a crime may have been committed you know [TS]

00:57:44   well not necessarily right but it's you know effectively as a hostile witness [TS]

00:57:50   but I guess what the other thing that you know not being the only thing is [TS]

00:57:55   that your obligation when you're on the stand and under oath court case you are [TS]

00:58:00   absolutely a bylaw are you know but serious repercussions you must tell the [TS]

00:58:06   truth but that doesn't mean you have to answer so I see I thought like yes-or-no [TS]

00:58:11   questions you had the answer but you don't they say was Jeff basis there you [TS]

00:58:15   can just say I'm not comfortable answering that that's the truth you're [TS]

00:58:19   not lying but they can't make you answer and you know make of that what you will [TS]

00:58:26   if you're on the jury or the judge so I guess that's a basis was there you can't [TS]

00:58:31   say no that's perjury now you're committed a felony you can refuse to [TS]

00:58:36   answer ID which is kind of just under now I would be so I have to have to [TS]

00:58:43   invoke some kind of law and order to compel you and they would have to crime [TS]

00:59:00   was they will be able to say well if your withholding evidence about what [TS]

00:59:07   happened at this meeting your withholding evidence may have no [TS]

00:59:13   evidence that a crime was committed right rather than the murder of freedom [TS]

00:59:21   we know there was a murder the meeting but other than that we don't know what [TS]

00:59:27   else happened just really seems to me like a bad day and the other thing to it [TS]

00:59:34   by everybody seems to suggest that this case was prompted by Amazon that it was [TS]

00:59:39   Amazon got doj the department Justice to investigate this but it seems as though [TS]

00:59:47   I am is under the exact same thing Apple added they negotiated contracts with the [TS]

00:59:51   publishers with the same terms [TS]

00:59:54   the very strange to me it really seems like a waste of time i can assume that [TS]

01:00:01   Amazon spends a lot of money lobbying I guess it really just seems a lot more [TS]

01:00:07   than ample yeah and that brings back that thing with the you know from a [TS]

01:00:12   couple weeks ago and Tim Cook was down there in front of the senate testify on [TS]

01:00:15   taxes and political had the things I think it's political views the [TS]

01:00:20   Washington examiner's in a bit more or less than the message really is nothing [TS]

01:00:24   that Apple's taxes it was really a you guys should spend more money on [TS]

01:00:28   otherwise we're gonna get down here again [TS]

01:00:32   couple of months based business you have your PC or something [TS]

01:00:43   business and the last thing in the news I think again I'm behind with the best [TS]

01:00:50   but there's this whole let's just call it what it is a shitstorm about the us- [TS]

01:00:56   government now again National Security Agency and and a couple of things [TS]

01:01:03   actually two separate ones that at least two separate things but there are the [TS]

01:01:08   same piece a couple days ago the Guardian got a tremendous coup where [TS]

01:01:15   they found thing that shows that Verizon Wireless in Aus turns over to the NSA [TS]

01:01:22   the phone records of everybody they don't turn over the phone calls [TS]

01:01:26   according to this it's just the records and that the NSA that's the darkest of [TS]

01:01:33   the spook organizations in the us- and when it does all the electronic [TS]

01:01:38   eavesdropping has phone phone records of everybody you know every call you've [TS]

01:01:44   made every cause everybody's made whether you know your everybody so it's [TS]

01:01:49   not just the just the who called in who they called which is you know it's [TS]

01:01:57   increase [TS]

01:01:58   don't think wow that's huge credible I mean you can draw all sorts of [TS]

01:02:04   I went location data all the metadata associated with your cell phone which is [TS]

01:02:09   a lot and I would presume I think it's you know i i dont know that you can't [TS]

01:02:16   even find anybody to take this bet I can only presume that it just so happens [TS]

01:02:20   that the Verizon thing that leaked it doesn't mean that only Verizon's doing [TS]

01:02:24   it if you think AT&T and Sprint and tmobile etc haven't to you know I've got [TS]

01:02:33   a bridge this area and I don't blame the words coming out of my mouth I don't [TS]

01:02:41   blame the carriers like I think this is I think that the Godfather situation I [TS]

01:02:48   think the NSA came to them with an offer they could not refuse and and you know [TS]

01:02:53   you're going to give us everything and you're also not going to tell anybody [TS]

01:02:58   that this is going on and you're going to like it I i think i dont i dont know [TS]

01:03:04   that they had an option I don't think this was like hey would you mind giving [TS]

01:03:08   us all of your cat you know [TS]

01:03:10   customers data and Verizon's like sure well they said that this was they say [TS]

01:03:16   that this was done under the protect America right and that you know probably [TS]

01:03:20   walked in the door waiting the act and saying you have to give us the right and [TS]

01:03:27   I said the act of the law in in addition to st. you know to authorizing them to [TS]

01:03:32   do it also indemnifies the carriers you know that there is no basis for anybody [TS]

01:03:39   to soon Verizon for doing it that the law says they are in the clear and then [TS]

01:03:45   that the next piece is the washington post came out with this thing about this [TS]

01:03:49   thing called prism pris ailments an acronym that all sorts of companies like [TS]

01:03:58   Google Apple Facebook I don't know who else did you name it did the big ones [TS]

01:04:04   are Microsoft YouTube Skype while everybody but Twitter the big ones and [TS]

01:04:11   Dropbox they said dropbox is coming I guess and they also said about how all [TS]

01:04:16   that Apple resisted and that it whether it's a coincidence or not that they they [TS]

01:04:21   got on it after shortly after Steve Jobs [TS]

01:04:25   coming you know you know whether that's just a coincidence that Apple got on [TS]

01:04:32   board after Steve Jobs died or whether jabs personally was was resisting you [TS]

01:04:37   know we don't know but it also is one of those things where it seems like part of [TS]

01:04:42   the deal isn't just that they're giving the data it's also that they are not [TS]

01:04:46   allowed to talk about it and a lot of companies today have issued a statement [TS]

01:04:51   but there's a lot of their not blanket denials they are you know they're saying [TS]

01:04:57   this would have been a good week to buy stock in weasel words yes there's a lot [TS]

01:05:04   of statements that that the NSA that the federal government does not have direct [TS]

01:05:11   access to our servers write that essay doesn't have a box connected to Google [TS]

01:05:18   data centers or Apple data centers or facebook data centers and I've somebody [TS]

01:05:24   on Twitter I think it was so some people talking about one very very easy [TS]

01:05:30   workaround that does not contradict any of these denials from these companies [TS]

01:05:35   would be what do they send a copy of the data to the NSA right they not that the [TS]

01:05:41   NSA has a box it's connected but do these companies have something in place [TS]

01:05:44   where everything gets copied if that's what's going on it [TS]

01:05:50   of the denials would contradicted any interest statement came hours they said [TS]

01:05:56   that they are not targeting US citizens and by reading that well for collecting [TS]

01:06:10   everything we're not targeting US citizens we're just getting it all [TS]

01:06:17   horizon we asked them for all their records they give us all the records and [TS]

01:06:23   we have not targeted USA and then later we do is we going to go in any target [TS]

01:06:27   certain individuals who are of interest and I didn't see Obama's press [TS]

01:06:41   conference today but I read some of the quotes from it and it was really about [TS]

01:06:47   everything that you would expect of really concerned about the but the [TS]

01:07:00   problem yeah I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed I think I am now I've gotta [TS]

01:07:09   agree this is so bad I'm I'm in agreement with my caring honest show [TS]

01:07:18   notes but it's what he says is where they had with the washington post base [TS]

01:07:26   this on was in NSA presentation keynote decker from Microsoft PowerPoint [TS]

01:07:33   probably PowerPoint [TS]

01:07:35   shirts and its stated that the NSA is tapping direct quote this is what the [TS]

01:07:43   presentation said tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading us' [TS]

01:07:47   Internet companies to collect information on users and Arrington says [TS]

01:07:51   on the story one of these must be true [TS]

01:07:55   won the NSA presentation is fake in the washington post due to Microsoft Yahoo [TS]

01:08:01   Google Facebook Apple etc are lying in terms of their denials or three the [TS]

01:08:09   presentation is real and the companies are carefully drafting responses that [TS]

01:08:13   they aren't technically line I believe the third option is now look at this [TS]

01:08:19   woodstock saying we agree with my gang that I think it shows relayed the most [TS]

01:08:24   hurtful part of this really is [TS]

01:08:26   but even more so than have the government having your horizon exactly [TS]

01:08:31   here's the thing but it's it's the editorial board of the New York Times [TS]

01:08:38   passage here it is the administration has now lost all credibility on this [TS]

01:08:53   issue mr. Obama proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power [TS]

01:08:59   it is given in very likely abused it and I couldn't agree more [TS]

01:09:04   yeah there's that the the the the the answer is hey terrorists scary scary [TS]

01:09:11   scary stuff going on up there you should trust us we've got it yeah and you know [TS]

01:09:15   it doesn't fly with me I mean it's terrible thing is it all of the stuff [TS]

01:09:23   was approved by congress right so we'll never just doesn't seem like will ever [TS]

01:09:29   get any rectification of this because the people who were investigated with [TS]

01:09:35   the people who would have approved it and even though Republicans loves to [TS]

01:09:39   investigate you know I'm trying to find fault with the administration they [TS]

01:09:45   probably won't I just don't see them doing about the US guess I guess they [TS]

01:09:49   are knee-deep in it the best chance would be for them to sort of have an [TS]

01:09:55   about-face on this and figure out a way to to to unite their their dislike and [TS]

01:10:03   their abstinence in the you know of anything Obama doesn't make this the [TS]

01:10:07   central part of it would actually be good for the country right you know [TS]

01:10:11   perfect example of that is quote unquote Obamacare the health care legislation [TS]

01:10:16   that Obama pushed through which is actually based on proposals that used to [TS]

01:10:22   come from republicans like back in the nineties when Clinton was president and [TS]

01:10:27   they tried to read everything [TS]

01:10:29   their proposal was far more well let's just say progressive liberal you know [TS]

01:10:35   more like what other people have around the world and the Republican answer [TS]

01:10:40   wasn't you know you can't just say we'll know you know you have to have a [TS]

01:10:43   counter-proposal and their counterproposal which was more based on [TS]

01:10:47   working with the existing insurance companies in etcetera was pretty much [TS]

01:10:50   exactly what Obama carries and it's just that by the time Obama got to they're [TS]

01:10:54   like well know we know we don't want it will they should do that with the case [TS]

01:10:59   right to get behind today should get behind they should do that we're sure [TS]

01:11:04   you were on board with a decade ago just just find some technicality to say well [TS]

01:11:08   but it's different just because and and fight this tooth now get some of this [TS]

01:11:12   stuff dismantled or just say enough is enough enough is enough right even if [TS]

01:11:19   you said that that you know the danger you know the real danger has passed or [TS]

01:11:23   something that we needed to them but we don't need anymore and a big part of it [TS]

01:11:28   to me is at least be transparent about what is going on there was a great [TS]

01:11:34   article I wish I could have looked for it before but there is a great article I [TS]

01:11:38   read a long time ago in Wired magazine from somebody futurist a person who's [TS]

01:11:44   you know specialized thinking about privacy and his stance is very very pro [TS]

01:11:49   privacy but his stance was like on the specific issue of security cameras let's [TS]

01:11:57   say like the one from there that the government installed like municipalities [TS]

01:12:00   like let's say the ones at stoplights [TS]

01:12:04   that if the government is going to have security cameras then everybody should [TS]

01:12:08   be able to access them that if there's a camera at the intersection of 6th and [TS]

01:12:13   spruce anybody should be able to access and so if law enforcement wants to use [TS]

01:12:18   it to see if a crime was committed there they can use it use it as evidence but [TS]

01:12:24   anybody can get it if there's an archive of it then it all has to be publicly [TS]

01:12:28   available [TS]

01:12:28   you know and if you say well no no no everybody shouldn't have it well then [TS]

01:12:32   you should have a camera there right and that you know and and then it goes back [TS]

01:12:37   to the idea that there really you know we shouldn't be thinking of the [TS]

01:12:40   government as a separate entity that the government is us it's you know it's our [TS]

01:12:45   elected officials and it makes it makes a tremendous amount of sense you think [TS]

01:12:49   you know that seems creepy if everybody could just look and see what's going on [TS]

01:12:53   it [TS]

01:12:53   Street intersection well then don't put cameras but if the camera is there [TS]

01:12:57   everybody should have access to it [TS]

01:13:00   everybody should have access to everybody's phone records but if you [TS]

01:13:05   should have access to everybody else is Google glass records that's now that I [TS]

01:13:09   can get behind cuz if there's nothing wrong with Google glass them or if there [TS]

01:13:21   is something wrong don't don't put it on your face I actually surprising number [TS]

01:13:30   of people on Twitter yesterday because vascular 1.0 does not it does not sync [TS]

01:13:36   service in the cloud will you put investors on your phone as a lot of [TS]

01:13:40   people draw the connection between that and this prison stuff and say you know [TS]

01:13:44   what I like that which is not why I wasn't saying it was not you know I had [TS]

01:13:52   you know [TS]

01:13:53   thing but you know what it's funny because I was thinking about it like [TS]

01:13:56   they can't have a point you can put that in the notes and use that as an [TS]

01:14:02   advertising point yeah it protects your data by corner about future visits every [TS]

01:14:15   day you can't go right you can't get a like loud can't go there were no Amazon [TS]

01:14:23   Amazon listing Dropbox didn't see ya then again I don't really blame the [TS]

01:14:57   company's so much I don't think that any of these companies you know I don't [TS]

01:15:01   think that Apple or Google or Microsoft has jumped on this gleefully I think [TS]

01:15:08   that they were given offers they could not refuse but we'll see I think you [TS]

01:15:13   know the stuff investigated see I suppose you could try and challenge the [TS]

01:15:18   constitutionality of the law but then you really set yourself up for trouble [TS]

01:15:24   yeah and the NSA is you know it's if you tomorrow if you read about it it's it's [TS]

01:15:30   kind of really is sort of a spooky organization where they there's a lot [TS]

01:15:34   less oversight over them then then the FBI or CIA their day-to-day operate [TS]

01:15:40   autonomously but more autonomy than than any other similar organization in our [TS]

01:15:47   government the right behind you right now I'm sure I'm sure they're listening [TS]

01:15:51   to the Skype yeah there RA right there at least collecting it [TS]

01:15:59   they going to do it but they're collecting right like the guys at the [TS]

01:16:04   chocolate computer guys I mean it's I don't be surprised if the majority there [TS]

01:16:10   are you know computer programmers I mean there's probably a lot of people the NSA [TS]

01:16:14   listen to the show [TS]

01:16:16   listen to head to get to listen to it early hello hello NSA listeners of the [TS]

01:16:26   time they're all having a good laugh right now they take you shut up very [TS]

01:16:37   angry at you right now over Skype call dropped [TS]