00:00:00 ◼ ► last day of school big day talk about a big day as a very tight the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► holiday world to get a half day you know what they do and it's awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► i think is is it's like a sauna quite a half day it's like an early dismissal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► and then there's a saying a quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► parents are invited to go to the gym the gymnasium great acoustics there and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/21">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► kids sing like three songs and then hit the ice kept missing it right now as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/27">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► well my kids get another week and I know I know you know your your kid goes to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/38">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► private school and see how it is not necessary military academy military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/46">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► marching it's nice because usually it's one of those things that last week most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/53">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► years it coincides with the BBC so I don't get to be here for last day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/63">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► school but this year it's it's a week early so I can't usually his schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► would be next week to its I don't know why I don't know you know it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/72">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► all sorts of early June stuff has been moved around this year but some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► some of those private schools use older calendars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/85">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► Gregorian calendar yeah Julian Julian calendar just to maintain the tradition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/92">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► because they've been using for years they don't wanna switch they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► that's why it's a private school they didn't want the government telling them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/103">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► United conversation would be nice n Easy is really into the Harry Potter books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/109">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► now that I couldn't be prouder because I did not I didn't read books of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► length when I was in third grade I didn't I never read for pleasure I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/120">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► amazing I turned out to be a writer but I'm super proud of me really into him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► and he at one point he said something about when to be great if if this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/129">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► real I could go to Hogwarts and I said wow sounds like fun but think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/134">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► you know you have to move away from me and your mom you know you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► there and he just looks and your employer and I was like wow the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/144">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► yeah Defense Against the Dark Arts crappy adored him somewhere I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/152">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► thought we could wait until use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/162">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► teenager for that yeah I guess I and they they really do that and in britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/163">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► at least they used to write schools like that where the alleged let them yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► think those of you know they had weird thing to wear a public school in Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/177">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► is what we call private school and I don't know what they call a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► school like a lorry so I made an appt so I heard yeah I read about it was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/187">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► internet I read about on your side was also used it s nice I like it I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/201">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► every day do you really do I i do too I mean that's how I knew that that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► felt like I told myself in the lead-up to releasing every time I get real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► nervous I do like you know what i like it so it's got to be something yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/218">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► mean of course I'm on your podcasts I have to suck up to you but I do like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► so you don't really like dynamited be it would be great if we had a argument over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/227">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► I use it to like I wrote on my website I use it to trek story ideas for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/240">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► part just like things that I want to write about possibly stuff that I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► to pitch the Macworld or some other place direct attack but who am I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► pitch until 10 really shitty ideas and build it if everybody knows everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/256">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► knows that I worked on it with Brent Simmons legendary developer and Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/267">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► whiskas very very good designer but let's face it was chris is now 70 is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/273">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► unfair comparison yeah it really is amazing I mean davis supra towns it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/282">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► dave is the one who I worked with the most like I had the most interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► like it is a funny thing with the three-man team but Dave ended up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► sort of the hub where David I would go back and forth on design and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/297">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► literally I'll bet we have tens of thousands of instant messages since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► December started I mean I figure out a way to write a script till I go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► this message logs and counting but I mean thousands of messages and then we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/313">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► settle on something and David be the one who would give it to brand in a form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/320">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► that this is what we wanted to make this is what it should look like but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/325">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► I had interactions with friends you know we were using the glass board internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► but he is amazing he truly ends like working with Brent Simmons is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► what you think it might be like like things he'll you know you like look we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/342">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► want you to change this to be like this and he'd be like alright it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► take two days and 30 minutes later as I figure it's literally he'd be like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/352">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► know what I was stupid the blah blah blah I never used it before I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/357">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► looked at it but it was really easy to hook up and now use works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/362">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► must be nice to be able to do that I have made a number of false starts at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/368">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► like trying to learn how to program just anything really and I always in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► but I dreamed it would be nice to be able to have that facility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/382">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► me too and and I'll tell you what it's like with having brand and and and Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► combined really for me it's like I used to use member the real basic yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/393">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► around but it's sort of shifted in terms of its focus but we're back in when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► first came out it was Matt Connolly it was really great for someone like me who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/405">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► can program but is not really good at programming and it sort of does all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► scaffolding for you and you can just sort of put a button and a thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/417">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► drive around and look right and then click on the button so here's the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/420">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► that the button should run it was all our hyper card for people who are older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► no longer memories a lot like that yeah and I i every so often during fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/426">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► over the years i've i've you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► owned the lack of for lack of a better 60 modern hard right now something for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/434">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► iPhone or iPad r you could you know drag stuff around and sort of wouldn't be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► replacement for Xcode it would be sort of higher-level Xcode four you know West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/444">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► talented people I know how to say i dont no means well but like the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/451">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► between iPhoto and Lightroom or Aperture right like you know that's not for pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/458">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and if you are approached you're taking professional caliber photography you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► not gonna use iPhoto to you know take out the red eye you're going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/469">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► the equivalent of that program will working with Brenton dave is like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► that except from Mike hundred years in the future where you just talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► thing and it's like it's like no I here's the idea I think that when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/486">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► slide the hamburger bun over to get to the sidebar there should be like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► parallax effect on the sidebars it drags on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► instead of just being there it would kind of and and 10 minutes later it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/501">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► like I just do a pull from the source get the mercurial source could do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► build and into on my phone and it works and it say what it is amazing it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/510">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► has been a tremendous amount so everyone should just have their own branson's dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/516">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► to exactly my point everybody should well by you should probably buy Vesper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/523">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► go to the Vesper . kool website keep me some son of a bitch has been sitting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/527">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► bestbuy.com it's just what the hell is that it's just a thing aids like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/533">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► somebody had 10 years ago randomly but we had to settle for Best Rap didn't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/539">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► about but he didn't get in contact you contacted you try to sell it to you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/546">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► themselves and no not yet maybe well I don't know seems like that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/551">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► smart right and yeah I guess I don't know who knows everything about the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/562">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► newspaper dot com now got a newspaper dot com is that alright yeah it is safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/568">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► for work I guarantee you it is in fact it is the safest for work website on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/575">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► everybody out there listening to the show opened around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/580">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► newspaper deca is why it's taking so on it see what you did there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/585">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► there weren't newspapers that calm those newspaper dot com the stock may be well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/595">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► anyway points to dare not having or not having good technology days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► yea well here's the spoiler it points to daring fireball that yeah and I it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/617">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► mine I don't know it owns it though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► knows that it's valuable and I don't even know his name ID I think he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► email I might have his name but what happened is I started getting offers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/635">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► from people who wanted to buy it and I was I why why are people doing is why am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/642">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► I getting offers for this domain that I don't have and then I went to it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► saw that appointed to during fireball done and i got very confused and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► somehow I got in touch with the guy and he long story short he's had it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► years he knows it valuable doesn't really want to sell it though and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/661">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► doesn't want to give it to jerks and he said I just you know but I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► your website so I figured I just pointed there for now I have nothing better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/668">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► put their ok cool with me you know and he was a few but if you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► take it away and I was like nah I don't care that explains why your views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/675">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► yeah I never thought of that actually is I did I try to get some kind of pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/680">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► on their redirect the first if you sold it and something else went there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/688">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► then all of a sudden my traffic just completely dried up times out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/693">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► yeah I'm sure that would be really funny so when the times comes out this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/703">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► it should come out over the weekend I want this episode we talk we can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/719">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► me she is coming up here you know what's amazing about the BBC is how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/725">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► what I should tell everybody I'm gonna tell everybody before I want that so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► aren't why why why do I have Jon Moulton shows that Brent and Dave Brennan David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► but they've got podcast to brent has the one he does with Michael Simmons the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► identical cousins Michael Simmons guy behind fantastical a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/747">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► great great apps brenton him who are not related because they're nice name is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/753">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► same they have to have a podcast together and it's it's cool and Dave of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► course has right here on your radio has the unprofessional with Lex Friedman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► which is pretty good podcast and I never listened to it but yet they get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► pretty good guests they do they do you've been on it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► apart from you and your wife yeah I don't know they get amazing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/777">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► actually they do they don't know how they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► but we figured hey you know what would be fair would be maybe we'll do the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/790">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► show eventually but why don't we do somebody else show and so we did Rene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► Ritchie and guy english is the bug pod casts a neighbor beta testers to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/804">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► they knew about him we recorded it a few days ago and that's out there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/809">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► google it but anybody who likes the talk show you hear a lot of this episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/814">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► debug it is take two hours of us talking everything faster and collaboration and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► how do people three guys who work in Seattle Denver in philadelphia you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► collaborate making out I thought it really turned out great so look for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► it's the bug pod debug over there at the IM or website but it's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/836">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► good I think people here again like Jesus mark I call my God he's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/842">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► smart yeah and guide English as good-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► wbez so you know it's amazing i think is a major recording us on Friday there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/854">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► like nothing like there's a little is there time is somehow well there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/867">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► update Mac Pro right right and MacBook Air right those who seem pretty sure for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/873">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► next week rain and then everything else is kind of the map pros who had like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/882">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► detailed in some of these guys get really into it was really great cause I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/894">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► marco gets guess that's because he really needs it and I'll bookmark oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► really gets into it with the Intel roadmap and knowing like what intel has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/902">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► and therefore what's possible and then I don't know maybe I'm just losing it as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/909">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► get older I can't do that level of research I just tell me what to wait for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/913">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► yeah we would you really buy one I would consider it because I still been putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/920">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► this off for years and just breaking down and getting a new computer on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► computer is ancient my monitor still call it a monitor my my display is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/933">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► ancient only 20 inches I think it's like a 89 years old I don't know that so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/938">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► due for a nice big upgrade here on my desk and I just been waiting for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► right one and I just keep putting off buying an iMac because I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► it's just resistant to timely displayed to the computer and I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/953">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► something better if it's gonna be on my desktop something's going too fast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► yeah it does seem more though that it really is a prose more of a pro machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/965">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► then used to be even much more than a MacBook Pro is the laptop seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/972">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► more people get it then just really professionals right where I was only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/983">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► professionals are really interested in the Mac Pro these days it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► that it was not an uncommon thing to get a machine that you wanted to use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► gaming or whatever and you would upgrade it to you wanted something that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► upgrade all the parts inside right now the prices have come down to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► where it's just like you just buy a new one every few years keep up that way cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► I always ran into this problem I I haven't had a pro since my last one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► 1999 sought to ends I used it for years and kept upgrading components on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► inside but then eventually you run into the problem where there are hardy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► peripheral makers mark support adding cards right they only want you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► your night if you're not playing you're playing it the device into an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► supplied USB three-card they're not going to help you write so if you put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► third-party PCI card that gives your older Mac USB 3 o'clock sound so worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► know and it sounds like from the rumors that what they're going to do if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► really do have macros who announces that they're gonna change from internal you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► know so gonna be upgradeable ma'am but it's gonna be all about the Thunderball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► Thunderbolt Thunderbolt and it's gonna be so I think I can only assume if its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► external rather than internal therefore the actual Mac Pro therefore it shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► in size tremendously yeah and then you'll just you know connect whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► external stuff you need through Thunderbolt yeah interesting it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► I mean I guess that's possible I guess I should have brought his eyes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► arguments he's probably likes to having a stroke as he listens to what would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► be possible to have an external video card I guess so I guess that's the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► point right like if you wanted to add an extra video card to add another algor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► style 30 inch display your desk you do you have some kind of external seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► crazy yeah but I think that's the gist of the expectations that Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► hardware MacBook Airs well they will they will air not be right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► no question but most you know I think most of the things going to be about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► software it's gonna be about 10 10.9 and iOS satin and nobody seems to know jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► about yeah it's kind of exciting so is it Monday yes Monday morning right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► because the BWC runs all week so that he noticed Monday even though they usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► prefer Tuesday announcements and stuff now I'm super excited I know absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► almost absolutely nothing I don't think I've been this ignorant of what's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► software wise for a keynote since there I found one back in 2007 which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► I'm super excited about it was they get up there and you know they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► anything to announce great the last thing I keep hearing over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► from friends who would now is the one word I keep hearing that its they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► the some of the stuff they're gonna show is quote unquote polarizing flat no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► horizon yeah and I also heard from somebody that just just quote all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► leaks are wrong which is interesting I have no idea what to make of it one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► that could be wouldn't it be great if it was like the new look is couldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► more extravagantly school Norfolk like it's like the entire OS looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► liberace house and movie Salt Lake gold and shiny like we got rid of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► felt and leather and replaced it with gold and platinum skins they have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► of skill bunch of skins right and and and you do an in-app purchase to upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► it to get more right to get like you know it comes with diamonds but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► lay low on whether those things clarity and color cut clarity clarity and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► gotta do it in a boat great to get a better diamond or diamonds you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► all those member the skins that they hadn't ate her actually come out Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► can please get kaleidoscope kaleidoscope for years and then they did put they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► put that in there but what happened is and then jobs to go back out when he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► back before it actually shipped so they aid with the appearance manager was what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► it was called it was the shift where they it was called the appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► manager capital a capital and and that was a big pain in the ass for developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► which was all about making it tmobile and then jobs got there and said these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► other things all look like garbage will not ship and take him out you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► we're the user doesn't design the system we do this is what it looks like so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► had to they shipped the OS with this appearance manager that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► multiple teams that never had more than one thing and I guess the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► leaked you know that was a gizmo and Tecmo or something like that techno was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► kids kids one that was like nickelodeon it was like yeah I symmetrical and i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► like little squeeze you know like spiral straws and stuff like that but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► never shipped I don't remember if I characters I think hackers you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► enthusiasts ended up backwards engineering team format and so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► get a way that you can get kaleidoscope parents manager themes but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► it ever overtaking the people who are into that stuck with kaleidoscope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► because it actually yeah I was better and more teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► so what do you expect well other than this this too hard or things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► mentioned I don't know either be nice to see something about the iPhone hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► wise but that doesn't seem like that's the less they come out with their lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► doing once the cheaper fun yeah I just don't see it yeah it would be it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► certainly be a big drop out of nowhere i mean it wouldn't be shocking no but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► just it just seems like that sort of thing if it were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► would be braced for it and I do think that the the thing Tim Cook said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► a deal of and I think that was the only place he really tough spot but where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► said you know we've got great stuff in a line later in the year and next year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► think that means later in the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► you know and Mac doesn't even count anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► well you know it doesn't ask terms of what drives like the market at large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► like it you know it doesn't matter like let's just say Monday come Monday they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► announced a new Mac Pro and it makes everybody happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► John Siracusa is happy Marco is happy you know it's super powerful it is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► expandable it is at a great price and it looks cool that does nothing to Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► stock and it does nothing it shouldn't actually that's what is one case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► gonna complain cuz I think you know the most possible Mac Pros they would sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► at the best price with great margins and amazing product is almost negligible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► their bottom that's why Tim Cook I think has to sort of say that he can't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1493">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► can't oversell the Mac Pro is being like important product yeah it seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► caught up with family is that's affecting the PC industry as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► stock prices you see this I just saw this today gary that's the the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► have to could say he's got a thing here Samsung Electronics lost twelve billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► dollars in market value on smartphone worries so it seems like they're copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► everything from Apple shamelessly now they're even com being irrational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► investor panic that loses billions of dollars in market cap in a single day on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► slowing sales of flagship Galaxy s4 smartphone right which I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► because again and this is you know you know here's me trying to be hopeful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► showing that I'm not you know Point Lepreau Apple like I just makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► to me this Samsung is everybody everything I saw that the Galaxy s4 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► showing exactly as they wanted to galaxy s4 to sell it seemed like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► something fairly well but at the same time I think some of the analysts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► all the stuff is about Wall Street expectations and what they had expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► was something like thirty million a quarter and it was only selling like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► million a quarter they were so they had to cut their expectations I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► don't know and who knows if they're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► yeah I don't have it but it just seems like 12 billion in a day as hell of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► haircut yeah yeah you know and again it is you know it's a while be competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► business and traditionally you know fortunes do change every few years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► you know I'm not saying that everybody Samsung and Apple's positions are locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► and a sure thing going forward for ever and ever of course not but you know $12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► market company doesn't seem irrational seems like anybody investing in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► mobile technology and tablets cell phones pretty much treats it like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► drunk at the blackjack table double down and I don't know where it's always think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► that they have they try to keep the money that money in the same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► industry in general so you're investing in Apple and Samsung take your money out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► you know I should take your money out of those two are you putting it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► the other thing that Ben Thompson had talked about I think maybe it was last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► week that I want to talk to you about was Apple TV predictions because he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► predicted an SDK for the Apple TV and we had talked about this like you and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► talked about this awhile you know and no one's been talking about that recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► but he brought that back up but good topic let's get to it but let's do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► first person will do that in the first sponsor this is great about an Event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► Apart the design conference for people who make websites upcoming events that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► is one of the things that's great about an Event Apart they don't just do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► year and then you gotta go there and do it they bring the show around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► country got up coming events in San Diego Boston washingtonDC Chicago Austin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► Texas and San Francisco founded by web visionaries Eric Meyer and Jeffrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► Feltman friends of mine both great guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► dedicated to the proposition that the creators of great Web experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► deserve a great learning experience an Event Apart brings together 12 leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► for two days of non-stop inspiration in Layton plus an optional day-long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► workshop on multi-device web design which is really i mean bottom line is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► that where web designers today's how do you make stuff look great price three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► inch screens 213 screens if you care about code as well as content usability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► and design event apart is the conference you've been waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► go to and Event Apart dot com slash talk show an Event Apart dot com slash talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► I've been to to several an event two parts and they're one of the best runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► smooth this conferences I ever been at has actually the very first one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► first one was actually in philadelphia back in 2007 eight something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► it was raining Philadelphia and I was a couple years ago in chicago is fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► amazing conference yeah and they always have some of our pals speaking great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► speakers really really great see Mike Montero's mug on their page yeah Mike's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► Jason Santa Maria as a long time speaker there man that guy now added to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► about typography and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► great great stuff so Apple TV next week but that would be a good surprise that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► yeah here's why I think he's wrong unless I think and and guy English and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► have talked this over you know you know you know deja boo talk about on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► I think that he's right that there is an SDK coming for Apple TV and apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► that it'll be a third party thing I don't think it's coming to the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► that we have today I think it requires next-generation hardware and the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► I think that is that I think it requires some sort of next generation remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► right and the current one just doesn't doesn't have anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► you could you could do it's it's fine for play pause and you know seek up down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► left right play pause but it's not good for any so so it really wouldn't be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► for you no absolute did anything more than just deliver video content which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► alone is a big deal I mean let's face it things are TV but I you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► that thing needs games and stuff like that and I think that needs a next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► generation remote and I don't think that the remote can be just use this app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► your iPhone or iPod iPad or something like that why not cause I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► clumsy I think it's weird to think that you've got a Fisher iPhone out of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► pocket just 22 do anything on the TV I think you need a remote that sits there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► on your coffee table and it's ready to go and it doesn't cost six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► hundred dollars yeah I mean I guess our iPod touches you know two hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► twenty now that they have the new one but you can't sell $99 set-top box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► requires a $220 remote doesn't work and I just don't think and how is the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► thing I don't think has ABS there's other things I think that you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► found is all about looking at the screen and touching things right TV is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► looking not at your remote it's about looking at this screen right you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► remote that that you don't look at use and the iPhone is not in glasses gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► you know fortunes for knowing what you're doing it seems weird to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► a remote with physical keys for gaming yeah I died that is where my imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► feels me and maybe maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm all wet and it really is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► about apps and app that you control it with her or maybe it's like a connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► type thing and you wave your hand and talk to I don't know why I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► imagination to even think about what it is but I just know that I just seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► me and i got though I can't imagine what the new thing that I think they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► is but I do know that the one I have downstairs isn't it right you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► have that little crime in remote and now it's really just the remote it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► it's not so much that anything with the device yeah I don't think that in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► of you know now that they've got 1080p output and terms of hardware and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► think it needs to be all that computationally although maybe it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► better graphics for games you know maybe the you know like I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► they're obviously not gonna obviously but I think we know how Apple isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► going to get any graphics horsepower race with Xbox and Playstation and self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► 3 $400 things that are at a loss but more graphics power did you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► always better but I don't know how different it is then you know the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► now I know I think that these days 687 or whatever the next one's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► you know are already pretty graphically powerful yeah that's the that's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► what do you think well I don't see me I don't see why they couldn't deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► remote next week and the SDK but you know I certainly haven't heard anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► I guess he was the only one that I noticed talking about it and it just jog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► my memory that what that was something seemed like something that was our list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► of possibilities and then dropped off the radar is it didn't happen for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► yeah and I guess the other thing that I maybe he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► is is i guess the other thing I think my head is it would be weird if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► announce it and say we have this great new App Store and so you have to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► new Apple TV and all of you guys who've already bought an Apple TV stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► that so hard that I will never does that not not that I will never do you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► afraid to give you tough cookies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► news you know lovers of floppy drives but it seems a little I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► seems like that's a tough thing to why couldn't they just solid remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► separately and maybe doesn't I guess I you know it comes comes with a new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► where I and maybe by and you probably mean if you're gonna have who's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► like Bluetooth Bluetooth yeah that's low power and if it's gonna be like the Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► or whatever you probably don't want six of them maybe I don't know yeah I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► I didn't even think about that if you like a combination remote game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► controller you'd want multiple ones you get your Wii U yes that does have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► has a screen but it actually has physical buttons on the remote yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► a weird thing and I you know I mean Jonas really like to end I'm just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► coincidence it really is funny our old we crapped out like a couple of days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► before Christmas and so you know we actually needed something I mean I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► I could have gotten you we but it's it does seem like the Wii U is not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► a lot of games and controllers interesting but it is weird yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► weirdest thing about it is that it currently only supports one like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► use as many free to play multiplayer games you just use the old Wii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► controllers but the new touch screen that the one negative thing the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► can only support one of those at the time cuz that's not what the I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► videos show thing came out I don't know I don't think that they showed more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► don't know but it does it it was a surprise to me it's because it does seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► just seems no fair game and I get this fancy new touch screen thing here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► get a joystick but I guess all the multiplayer games we have so far when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► you do play multiplayer at both people have to use the the old school you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► it's just single player games are you get the touchscreen games that take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► advantage of it he's got this batman arkham Asylum game which is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► questionable content level 49 that's rated for like 45 hurt him but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► seeing you know he's seen the shining so that it does have some cool stuff where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► is the the gimmick is that the touch screen is Batman has built a new thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► super he sort of got like an iPhone built into his rest on his armor and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► so honored he's got an iWatch sort of yeah he's got like a lot like a big four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► inch i watch and the remote is the iWatch so they you know so you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► another game is right and it's it seems like well done but it's no surprise that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► in 10 days I think you know I do think that the potential there is for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► sort of explosive vibrant in gaming that you see in the App Store for iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► iPad where two guys can just go and make games and I know that there's things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► like that for PlayStation and you know there's a marketplace or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► that but Apple does that better than anybody else ya like everybody else say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► hey Playstations had them what do you call it an Xbox has the 360 marketer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► it's called where you can download indie games but you know so you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► everything else Apple won't be first but they'll pee and the way they don't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► they seem like they're older games on the Xbox but it seems like they're older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► games on the Wii usually not anyone's are not as good as the stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► get on the desk right whereas I foresee with Apple it would be a type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► where you're in an indie game might turn out to be like the the hit game of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► the biggest game in again not in this little ghetto where da and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► big publishers like that all the flagship titles in Europe over here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► the little little market I would foresee it like to the AppStore where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► you guys can make you know doodle jump into things like the top grossing app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► and the whole thing for their world it seems like that's right now given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► yeah it kind of would be I still think I've said this before many times are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► poor poor friends in Munster who I really think is losing his mind you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► he tweeted at me when I yeah yeah it's good spirit could strike Gene Munster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► for those of you who don't know our poll analyst he's somewhere like minneapolis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► long-term follower the company oft-quoted he's you know he's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► available to media looking for a quote on a ball and for the most part I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► he gets the company is not a jackass he's you know pretty astute analyst and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► but he's upset I would say I think for about five or six years with the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► Apple selling a TV set like actually in in his world the Apple TV is intact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► told the screen 50 60 inch LCD or whatever it would be screen and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► been saying that it's coming in a year for about five years does everybody say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► that's right that's that's about right and as time goes on and they might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► working but he is obsession is is just palpable like where you know help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► chinaman every time on a conference call and it's time for Gene Munster you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► it's gonna be something Apple TV and he he hears stuff just isn't there at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► when when Tim Cook on the last one said you know more or less he said we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► some great products that were working on for later this year and next year right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► now more or less is what he said Gene Munster heard that as we're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► an hour later this year or next year right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► well maybe you know it could be but that's not what he said but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2572">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► still think I think that Apple TV strategy is what we see I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► right in front of us it's $99 bucks hook up to any TV that you want and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► there are some interracial interracial right but not not it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► there's value trying to get in $2,000 huge screens right or you know and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► said this before too maybe they would but only as like in addition to a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► you can put into anybody's TV right that they would still sell the $99 bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► maybe they would also selling Apple branded TV said that has it built him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► but so you can get on the platform and by the absent use your Apple TV with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► your existing TV set and if you're in the market for a new TV said you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► nice box but I don't think that they would go TV set only because it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► me like they'd be purposefully taking on a very small part of the market which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► the people in in the market for a new TV so I mean like look at the iPhone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► the iPhone has been a tremendous hit but people didn't buy them all at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► people bought them over time as they needed indoor wanted a new cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► right it's a huge hit that Apple doesn't make it it's like i skogen line and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► stuff on day one but that's not normal people right normal people but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► iPhone when they're old iPhone when they're old phone broker they finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► got fed up with it or just kind of got in the mood or there or especially when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► their contracts contract so I think you know the TV industry had a great decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► because you know just about everybody I know you know has shifted from big old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► clunky classy artis to you know nice flat screen plasma or LCD or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2692">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► you know wide-screen TVs but everybody you know I think normal people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2700">TS</a>]
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00:49:01 ◼ ► e-book price-fixing case that's gone to trial and it it's kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2941">TS</a>]
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00:49:55 ◼ ► on Apple's site at this that they were opposed to Amazon which had either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/2995">TS</a>]
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00:50:09 ◼ ► know scott turow or anybody big-name novelist comes out with a new novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► publisher wants the eBook version that $15 so Amazon would buy it for $15 from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► them and sell it for $9.99 and now that's you know from a consumer point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► that's great I can see and I know there's a lot of fans of Amazon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► doing this because consumers think that's great I don't care of Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► sells a loss I've saved five bucks on a book that's great authors don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► though even though they get paid the wholesale price I want to because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3036">TS</a>]
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00:51:05 ◼ ► of it because they'd still be by 9 99 bucks but all of a sudden the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► revenue generated by these books have been decimated by saying that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3069">TS</a>]
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00:59:27 ◼ ► else happened just really seems to me like a bad day and the other thing to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► by everybody seems to suggest that this case was prompted by Amazon that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► Amazon got doj the department Justice to investigate this but it seems as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► I am is under the exact same thing Apple added they negotiated contracts with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► the very strange to me it really seems like a waste of time i can assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► Amazon spends a lot of money lobbying I guess it really just seems a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► than ample yeah and that brings back that thing with the you know from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► couple weeks ago and Tim Cook was down there in front of the senate testify on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► taxes and political had the things I think it's political views the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► Washington examiner's in a bit more or less than the message really is nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► that Apple's taxes it was really a you guys should spend more money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► otherwise we're gonna get down here again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► couple of months based business you have your PC or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► business and the last thing in the news I think again I'm behind with the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► but there's this whole let's just call it what it is a shitstorm about the us- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► government now again National Security Agency and and a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► actually two separate ones that at least two separate things but there are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► same piece a couple days ago the Guardian got a tremendous coup where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► they found thing that shows that Verizon Wireless in Aus turns over to the NSA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► the phone records of everybody they don't turn over the phone calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► according to this it's just the records and that the NSA that's the darkest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► the spook organizations in the us- and when it does all the electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► eavesdropping has phone phone records of everybody you know every call you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► made every cause everybody's made whether you know your everybody so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► not just the just the who called in who they called which is you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► don't think wow that's huge credible I mean you can draw all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► I went location data all the metadata associated with your cell phone which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► a lot and I would presume I think it's you know i i dont know that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► even find anybody to take this bet I can only presume that it just so happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► that the Verizon thing that leaked it doesn't mean that only Verizon's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► it if you think AT&T and Sprint and tmobile etc haven't to you know I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► a bridge this area and I don't blame the words coming out of my mouth I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► blame the carriers like I think this is I think that the Godfather situation I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► think the NSA came to them with an offer they could not refuse and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► you're going to give us everything and you're also not going to tell anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► that this is going on and you're going to like it I i think i dont i dont know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► that they had an option I don't think this was like hey would you mind giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► customers data and Verizon's like sure well they said that this was they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► that this was done under the protect America right and that you know probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► walked in the door waiting the act and saying you have to give us the right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► I said the act of the law in in addition to st. you know to authorizing them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► do it also indemnifies the carriers you know that there is no basis for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► to soon Verizon for doing it that the law says they are in the clear and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► that the next piece is the washington post came out with this thing about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► thing called prism pris ailments an acronym that all sorts of companies like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► Google Apple Facebook I don't know who else did you name it did the big ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► are Microsoft YouTube Skype while everybody but Twitter the big ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► Dropbox they said dropbox is coming I guess and they also said about how all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► that Apple resisted and that it whether it's a coincidence or not that they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► got on it after shortly after Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► coming you know you know whether that's just a coincidence that Apple got on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► board after Steve Jobs died or whether jabs personally was was resisting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► know we don't know but it also is one of those things where it seems like part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► the deal isn't just that they're giving the data it's also that they are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► allowed to talk about it and a lot of companies today have issued a statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► but there's a lot of their not blanket denials they are you know they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► this would have been a good week to buy stock in weasel words yes there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► of statements that that the NSA that the federal government does not have direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► access to our servers write that essay doesn't have a box connected to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► data centers or Apple data centers or facebook data centers and I've somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► on Twitter I think it was so some people talking about one very very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► workaround that does not contradict any of these denials from these companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► would be what do they send a copy of the data to the NSA right they not that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► NSA has a box it's connected but do these companies have something in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► where everything gets copied if that's what's going on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► of the denials would contradicted any interest statement came hours they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► that they are not targeting US citizens and by reading that well for collecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► everything we're not targeting US citizens we're just getting it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► horizon we asked them for all their records they give us all the records and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► we have not targeted USA and then later we do is we going to go in any target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► certain individuals who are of interest and I didn't see Obama's press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► conference today but I read some of the quotes from it and it was really about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► everything that you would expect of really concerned about the but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4007">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► problem yeah I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed I think I am now I've gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► agree this is so bad I'm I'm in agreement with my caring honest show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► notes but it's what he says is where they had with the washington post base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► this on was in NSA presentation keynote decker from Microsoft PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► shirts and its stated that the NSA is tapping direct quote this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► presentation said tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading us' [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► Internet companies to collect information on users and Arrington says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► on the story one of these must be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► won the NSA presentation is fake in the washington post due to Microsoft Yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► Google Facebook Apple etc are lying in terms of their denials or three the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► presentation is real and the companies are carefully drafting responses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► they aren't technically line I believe the third option is now look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► woodstock saying we agree with my gang that I think it shows relayed the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► but even more so than have the government having your horizon exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► here's the thing but it's it's the editorial board of the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► passage here it is the administration has now lost all credibility on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► issue mr. Obama proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► it is given in very likely abused it and I couldn't agree more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► yeah there's that the the the the the answer is hey terrorists scary scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► scary stuff going on up there you should trust us we've got it yeah and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► it doesn't fly with me I mean it's terrible thing is it all of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► was approved by congress right so we'll never just doesn't seem like will ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► get any rectification of this because the people who were investigated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► the people who would have approved it and even though Republicans loves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► investigate you know I'm trying to find fault with the administration they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► probably won't I just don't see them doing about the US guess I guess they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► are knee-deep in it the best chance would be for them to sort of have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► about-face on this and figure out a way to to to unite their their dislike and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► their abstinence in the you know of anything Obama doesn't make this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► central part of it would actually be good for the country right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► perfect example of that is quote unquote Obamacare the health care legislation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► that Obama pushed through which is actually based on proposals that used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► come from republicans like back in the nineties when Clinton was president and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► their proposal was far more well let's just say progressive liberal you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► more like what other people have around the world and the Republican answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► wasn't you know you can't just say we'll know you know you have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► counter-proposal and their counterproposal which was more based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► working with the existing insurance companies in etcetera was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► exactly what Obama carries and it's just that by the time Obama got to they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► like well know we know we don't want it will they should do that with the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► right to get behind today should get behind they should do that we're sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► you were on board with a decade ago just just find some technicality to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► but it's different just because and and fight this tooth now get some of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► stuff dismantled or just say enough is enough enough is enough right even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► you said that that you know the danger you know the real danger has passed or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► something that we needed to them but we don't need anymore and a big part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► to me is at least be transparent about what is going on there was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► article I wish I could have looked for it before but there is a great article I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► read a long time ago in Wired magazine from somebody futurist a person who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► you know specialized thinking about privacy and his stance is very very pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► privacy but his stance was like on the specific issue of security cameras let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► say like the one from there that the government installed like municipalities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► like let's say the ones at stoplights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► that if the government is going to have security cameras then everybody should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► be able to access them that if there's a camera at the intersection of 6th and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► spruce anybody should be able to access and so if law enforcement wants to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► it to see if a crime was committed there they can use it use it as evidence but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► anybody can get it if there's an archive of it then it all has to be publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► you know and if you say well no no no everybody shouldn't have it well then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► you should have a camera there right and that you know and and then it goes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► to the idea that there really you know we shouldn't be thinking of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► government as a separate entity that the government is us it's you know it's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► elected officials and it makes it makes a tremendous amount of sense you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► you know that seems creepy if everybody could just look and see what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► Street intersection well then don't put cameras but if the camera is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► everybody should have access to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► everybody should have access to everybody's phone records but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► should have access to everybody else is Google glass records that's now that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► can get behind cuz if there's nothing wrong with Google glass them or if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► is something wrong don't don't put it on your face I actually surprising number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► of people on Twitter yesterday because vascular 1.0 does not it does not sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► service in the cloud will you put investors on your phone as a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► people draw the connection between that and this prison stuff and say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► what I like that which is not why I wasn't saying it was not you know I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► thing but you know what it's funny because I was thinking about it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► they can't have a point you can put that in the notes and use that as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► advertising point yeah it protects your data by corner about future visits every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► day you can't go right you can't get a like loud can't go there were no Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxBb12U/4455">TS</a>]
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