00:00:00 ◼ ► christa Morgan you wrote an article yet article on macworld this week's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► invited to be on the show why iOS Evans design is bold but flawed I get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► attention for this article I think I was really surprised by that that was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► really flattering I think that there's more than you could say about it down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/13">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► my opinion sure you describe it our board your mouth but you describe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/20">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► move you know and it is it is kind of hard to describe just what exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/26">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► they've done it very clear from the moment they first showed that video on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► stage that they did something very drastic rate but once you start to 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► articulated it it's kinda hard it's not black it's not and no doubt three you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/37">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► call it followed 3d to real 2.5 D right yeah so and that comes from just what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/44">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► used to do it after effects and I so I recommend increases article about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/52">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► know multiplanar technologies like yes exactly that's exactly it and so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/58">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► really excited by this actually just in terms of like I really want to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► for it because it sort of combines like my past and you know animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/67">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► experience with with the user interface design and I just think it's all BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/72">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► they've stripped away the sort of they're going for their home for 3d but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► it was you know flat two-dimensional you know elements and they were sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/81">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► static on the screen and so they had to rely on these really bubbly sort of icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/86">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► with a lot of class and the teacher doesnt stop by now that they can how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► know sort of two and a half Dr yes you know it's it's what that means but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► you tilt the phone you can sort of see how things moving relationship to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► other another they have that they can strip away you know all of the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/101">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► unnecessary the 3d stuff which i think is really the pic 3d stuff it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/107">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► wouldn't work with this cause I soon as you tilt the phone in the shadows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/113">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► the gloss wouldn't move with it so that the illusion of being told they broke in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/117">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► that way so it really you know this sort of what flat two and a half the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► thing really works best with with flat plains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/127">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► and I think that the fact that you have an animation background and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► it's not a coincidence that you articulated this change very well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► think part of that is the fact that that part of the design team in Apple behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/140">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► this have come from not from a traditional user interface background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/145">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► but from the motion graphics by ground and I don't think it's a coincidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► that all that like the movie they used to open the BBC which had nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► with I was seven but it was chock full of really interesting motion graphic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► House Beautiful yeah it was it was gorgeous I loved it was really excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► just to see that and that it was great that they opened with some sense I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► like to see some of that come to Iowa 70 yeah definitely would be would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► just like a fluidity to those to those videos that I think would fit right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► with iOS 7 but isn't isn't quite there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► factor of time right and I don't know really much about the technical aspect I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► don't know how you know it's it's like a matter of just they're being limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/190">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► ability to actually do such fluid animations you know and do it in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/196">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► time on the phone or if it's or if it's a matter of they just haven't perfected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/200">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► in homes that much yet but I definitely think it's going in that direction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► it'll just become more and more fluid that way and hopefully I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► it would graduate possibly two more 3d interface really like you're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► through folders and and groups of apps basically on an icy access through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► phone I think that'd be neat to see it happening and just sort of as an interim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► step my favorite new thing I think it all of Iowa's Devyn is to go from home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/228">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► screen to a folder to adapt and blackout yeah I love it yeah totally reminds me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/234">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► of the powers of 10 movie yeah yeah this reason the argon hydrogen fueling in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/241">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► certain way and it feels fine make sure yet totally yeah it feels like he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/248">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► are moving that way whereas before you know things are just order move up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► down and yes you were sort of getting the idea of going going into something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/260">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► but not completely you know I mean it's writing and talking it's ok but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/265">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► that you know sometimes you can you can you can make the logical argument for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► in writing better but I feel like when talking about things you can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/278">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► the field argument for things better and that's why do a podcast I'm not sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/282">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► I do think too I think that the fact that there's people with serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► professional motion graphics background behind this ad is what had the rigor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/293">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► seven and they're like yeah I was seven cuz I've seen people say that now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► there's no difference with Iowa six then now regard it's just it's really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► stylistic crowd because things slid under now bars before a bit but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/314">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► old days people designers used to cheat and a my favorite example of that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/319">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► linen because sometimes lyndon was over like a notification centre you down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► london is over but then you'd open a folder in linen was under so where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► is the linen exactly yeah that's that's a really good point and you can cheat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/332">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► because you can make software do anything you can have it be over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► under and it doesn't you know it's almost like a brain teaser puzzle but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► takes away from the satisfaction I made doesn't make it feel like you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► system makes it feel like it's all a little arbitrary right and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/350">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► Apple is really thick specifically address that problem like regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► whether you prefer brushed glass as the sort of look and feel of the layer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► you like that that fake linen texture of the lair at the very least I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/364">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► how anybody could argue that having a more logical set of rules as to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► goes on what layer is not a win for the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► right now I think that's that's a really good point and i think actually the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► blurred sort of like frosted blasting makes a lot of sense because you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► have sort of infinitely it's always whatever is underneath of it you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► underneath of it so that sort of like it always makes sense resolution and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► sort of felt like it should be under and so than when it was over it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► confusing I don't know I never has a lot of problems with just the the rampant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/397">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► sort of tons of user glare sort of everywhere this is something I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► have you no I don't I don't mind it so much yet and we'll see how I feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► it and another couple of months but really I think that gets to Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/415">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► Hockenberry point which I keep making every week on the show but that it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/419">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► goes to the 3d effects in the original version of the aqua once you add that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► think it's the i think probably the right way to go is to go a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► overboard and then dial dial it back here from Sarah yeah but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/431">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► haven't probably right that it's over board right now but yeah I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► it's but I think it might be the right way to go in the first version it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/443">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► a very specific question and I don't think I've looked in what Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/451">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► written so far for the human interface stuff and they don't really have like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► iOS 7 human interface guide you have sort of a transition guide yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/464">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► there's nowhere near as much documentation as I sort of assumed there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/471">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► was when I first logged in today Dec account and a WBC and I it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/475">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► there was a lot their WBC a $3 and then I read like 20 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/481">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► yeah and here's a specific question so in all of Apple's Epson Stylus 7 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/488">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► ones involving updated for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► look they use a white mostly translucent mostly mostly solid semi translucent bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/498">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► and they pick different call them black in color is something like that so male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/506">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► the button to go back to your inbox is blue and calendar it's red and yellow do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/514">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► bar is a poison intends for that all Iowa 7 apps to use that and only pick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► color for tax or do you think colored have bars are still going to be a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► they'll just be glad I think that they'll still be there will still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► colored bars and then they'll just use the blame because that was all he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► remember what presentation to you is and I will give you the the WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► presentation videos and they gave you know specific instructions for how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► clean a bar and you know and keep the translation seeing and Blair happenings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► and then in still control the tempo as well so I think they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► totally opposed to that I don't think that they're wanting everyone to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► white I think you know all of Apple stuff will probably for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► stick with wait until I don't know until they decide to break out into something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/574">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► different maybe not this this time but in the future and other big update but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/578">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► yeah I think other people and third party apps will definitely use colored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► number still but you know just using the translucency in and blur still be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► know that'll be and removing League exaggerated 3d ages underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/594">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► swirling content to having instead they're right on top like Nike will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► still use of vibrant red and Yelp will use red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► and you know who else has a distinctive color like that but you know a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► distinction that's a big part of like knowing where you are as far as being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/613">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► third party app like it's just a big part of like the color scheme tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► what the apps identity is sort of so I can just at a glance when I pick my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► iphone backup be like oh yeah I'm in mint or whatever you know I just so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/628">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► know I think that'll and you know stripping away all of this other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► yeah we're going to rely a lot more on color so I think having colored bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/638">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► will be a big thing I said I i i've come around on my left a bday BDC thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/643">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► because that's what's going to fit in as the weeks have settled in and and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/649">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► used the beta more and more I start to see that the white isn't really I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/655">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► think supposed to be system wide it's more like the blue grey gradient yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/660">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► could be faulty like the chrome that that that Safari and the settings out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/668">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and mail you exactly that's what the white house and apples to share just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/673">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► using the default chrome because that's what the system should do one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/680">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► other things that annoyed me over the years is the way that when the when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► iPad came out they made certain changes there yet didn't never know until I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/692">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► 7 never unified at between the iPhone and iPad so like three example when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/700">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► always bugged me is that on the iPad Safari is gray whereas on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► it's blue grey yeah and I was taught that the great great was better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► Safari Safari was adapted really should be like color and always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/715">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► I wonder and I actually haven't looked at beta 2 on an iPad yet never looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► it on my iPad Mini and it didn't look great because of the text rendering and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/730">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► then on a screen but that's all I've heard on that I actually haven't seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► into an iPad sort of you know in da territory but yeah I don't know it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/740">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► seems like they belong to go I don't know if I talked about this little the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/747">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► last week but I wonder what you think two is in past years they've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/753">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► shipped new iPhone and iPad hardware with a new version of the OS although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► sometimes iPad would come out with like the original iPad came out with like iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/762">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► yeah but the iPhone has always coincided new iPhone hardware has always coincided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/770">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► with the new diet or release of iOS and newfound has never been able to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/777">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► if you buy a new iPhone 5 today you can't put out I was five on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/783">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► trade only run I was so presumably the new I have any new iPhone or iPad comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/789">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► out this year would only run iOS 7 great but I can't help but wonder if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/797">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► Iowa seven isn't ready to ship in October yeah maybe they would ship the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/807">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► new phone with iOS 6 and say look I was seven is closing you know it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/813">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► which would kind of be embarrassing for us I couldn't see it honestly I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► see them doing that I could see them actually see them delaying the release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► of the iPhone until I was really ready and you know instead of releasing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/829">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► with iOS 6 just because you know they try to 2007 early but I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/833">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► know how they make decisions that Apple but I can't really see them doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► because they try to 2007 so you know here made a big deal about it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/845">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► into the mainstream media about what a big change it is you know you my mom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/852">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► my mom is reading about it a bigger deal well you know it's literally the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/858">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► page of Isle apple.com has a month since WBC releasing their own without being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/865">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► ready to go that day but I also can't see them missing the holiday quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/874">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► points I feel and I feel like that you know it's like one of this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/879">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► those Paul Pierce is movable object type then I feel like in this case the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/886">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► immovable object of you know I was 7 needing to be an annual losses to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/896">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► irresistible force absolutely need a new found for the quarter and probably new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/904">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► iPads too but I kind of you know ultimately obviously what they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► want is to ship the new hardware and a viola 7 be ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► yeah I just feel like this is the one year where if if if there is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/922">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► to be ready in time this is the year because the changes so truly dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/928">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► yeah it is so huge it's so different I'm really impressed that they have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/932">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► such a monumental overhaul in such a short amount of time it's incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► when you work on individual products you know how long it takes you just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/943">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► you know you kind of get a sense of how how much work it would be to change at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► every single pixel and not just a pickle pixels but just like the physics and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/952">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► the animation and everything that's a much bigger I mean it's it's crazy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► can't imagine the I can imagine how much work went into that the other night I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/963">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► and I went through that my testing phone is running I was seven and tried to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► anything in the system that hadn't changed just the parents are great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► the only thing I could come up with is the text completions you know if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/982">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► misspelled a word and it makes you cancel there's like that little white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/989">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► house with a little tiny and no I don't think that changed although maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/994">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► didn't change something actually got two things to check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► iPod Touch couldn't be updated to iOS 7 are you using it on your dear daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► found almost never do that actually I was just look at what he's doing but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► couldn't yeah I had to do it this time because it's such a huge change and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► funny to because you get older and you should be less scared of such things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► because you have more to lose when you're young but now that somehow makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► me way more cautious yeah I remember two years ago I remember was two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► ABC and it was the Monday and it was like five o'clock and a bunch of us met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► W for cocktails and Marco Arment came in and we're all talking about violence 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► at the time everybody was wondering about something in marco was like here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► have already installed it and we're all out what you're not you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► regular phone he's not sure why he took it out and he showed us a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► and it was like we are like wow thats have someone to play with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► somebody else did something else and all of a sudden this phone went to the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► logo and restart it might be a problem that has changed as tiny tiny bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► continue as we just heard the same shape but Iowa 7 there is not the big cat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► around and it no longer it had a stroke and it's like one big joke and I was six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► and a big drop shadow and a smaller X actually and so the excess slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► larger and the later agree and that's about it so that everything has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► so if anybody else out there anybody listening I would be interested on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► Twitter and and if you can find any aspect of violence that has not changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► the parents I don't think there's anything I think okay so I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► photostream shared from someone else and like the little lake but it's the same a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► little like smiley face ok I don't know it's different now and its allied it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► it's flattened like the old one is lately has a little gloss on it and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► failure to my favorite changes and it's one that I've thought ever since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► first iPhone in 2007 I always thought was too much in bad taste is that I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► that joke about Marco and you get that Apple logo in the phone restarts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► old apple logo and I always had like the most over but that comment below and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► it's gone and so much more than it was like three light sources a huge i didnt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► i dont and never liked that even from the unit from day one is like bubbly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► shiny and stuff it was some of the logo in particular it was so going because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► wasn't just a gloss it was like six times across you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► to shadows and all this stuff and now it's just a flat white apple logo which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► is to me what it always should have been yeah it's great now I missed the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► illustration used to be so pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► yeah and the new one and a new one does it just doesn't make them plugged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► charging I mean you know I have lots of like a little grapes like things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► going back to like talking about weight overlays and stuff like that with photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► I really don't like you and again with a photo streams when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► looking at like the activity on a photostream there's a light over land it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► out on your photos and it used to do that but in black and white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► over a photo just doesn't work for me at all sitting out like a light black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► voters like okay fine but anyway I don't know there's a there's a lot of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► things just like yeah it's the same reason why I think like iPhoto it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► defaults to a dark background yes when you view and no reason life photo apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► like a pitcher Lightroom tend to dark backgrounds that brings you know somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► is more neutral black or dark if there is any kind of chrome borders something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► like that it's more neutral white seems like you're you're drawing attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► away from the photo yeah just doesn't work with a lot of photos I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► think black is definitely nicer but again that means just change my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► eventually it is more museum or gallery like to have you know you're looking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► your photos up and you're looking at collections or whatever it's more lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► I guess more gallery esque but it's not as nice as you like the new photos up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► lot though and I do think I do think that there is a case where regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► what you think of the aesthetic changes and seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► here's a case where they've obviously put a lot of time and thought into just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► what it means to be a photo app on iPhone in 2013 which is that look let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► face it you're gonna take like 1500 pictures this year and all gonna be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► how can we deal with that in a better way to collections are great years used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► to collections to moments I think it's super cool and it's surprising how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► useful those tiny tiny thumbnails in years can be caused you pick out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► spots shots and some you're not going to be able to shoot something in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► darkroom it's gonna be black but there are some like if you shoot like 10 shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► on it and it's certainly a sunny day or something like that they stick out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► that that's what I'm looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► definitely yeah it works well kind of surprising how how much to tell you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► can see such a small yeah totally I think it's it plays into the Retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► screen maybe it's all the same but it may be the same number of pixels what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► used to be a full size and even a tiny size you can kind of pick it out I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► to Buyi want to get back to you are suggestions for where you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► I was seven is flawed but first I'm gonna take it take a break here ok thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1420">TS</a>]
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00:25:06 ◼ ► we've got to the ballpark violence 7 explain to me your case for what's odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► about what Apple has shown so far but I was 70 so I mean it's a lot of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► things but just the big ones were the type which actually gotten used to using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► just the default settings for typography know and you know there was a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► setting for higher contrast backgrounds which I had turned on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► urgently to turn that off as sort of it's like well this is it the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and stop bothering me as much as it was originally but it's still a special in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► the places where these ultra light which is a tiny but when they do it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► like wow that's really like and then even just like reading mail and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► it's just really liked and kind of hard to read and i feel like i wud legibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► is so hugely important and I know and screen you see a lot more and and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► that wouldn't work on another screens work can work here but yeah I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► Helvetica light wasn't a choice I made the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► couple months ago baby back ribs the winner in that the future of you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► designed to look to see the future of UI design look at print design and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► that you know like as I remember when we first got Lehigh dpi laser printers back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► in the nineties and you could print these grayscale radians that looked good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► because the odds were finally well then we are used them everything we designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► everything had a gradient colored background and then within a year or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► we all realize my god we're way over using these gradients things and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► like that's where UI design got to from the iPhone through now is is sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► know we can do these incredibly cool facts but then we use them too much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► I for sure but I think that if you follow that I still think that's right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► think you can say well how many people in print design used Helvetica light as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► the body rates no not really done there no I'd say try to think of a magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► that you read that uses a fun as fine as Helvetica light and I i can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► any i mean maybe some advertising you know like you know it does have a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► of luxury brand feel ya and it's beautiful but yeah it's just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► reading room isn't great like you sort of know your eye doesn't doesn't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► out letters i think is distinctly as it as it could with another I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► thought of it as a sort of a display fund and by West display find headlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► or subheads big rate for signage yes title not for body copy right can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► pick a fun for body copy and let's face it like reading your email is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► that's a that's a good use for a fun that you know is supposed to be readable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► that's where you know who could typographer 'he's fun designers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► make choices that maybe aren't as a statically pleasing but are more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► the you know being a workhorse and doing the right thing for the user to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► legible as opposed to making it beautiful it's a trade off and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► to see you wanted to be both but yeah of course but legibility has to come first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► but if you're talking about about eighty you know and I do think you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1734">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► mind the light as much as some people I know you you'd linked to quoted Eric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► speak German yeah very much opposed to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► yeah I think he's a little biased though because he's actually think it's great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► mean he's obviously a great designer and it created type designer and overall you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► know i'd have never met him but I'm a big fan of his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► bond famously he's sort of maybe not against Helvetica but he sort of has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► antipathy for Helvetica definitely yes he does he's he's he articulates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► case against Helvetica as well as anybody in the movie Helvetica gary has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► amazing and fantastic documentary yes and that's anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► Helvetica yeah so speaking in a little bit you know a little bit bias in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► regard but I think of regard to light in particular he's pretty spot-on now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► yeah it was as corruption unreadable carpet right he also said I know shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► storm in the little like YouTube clip which I actually like in a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► someone had translated what he said but I actually just started watching it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► it's kind of like having aphasia we like you recognize a word every now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► in the use of like you know english words are intermittently but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► was fun it is true and I just I think that overall it is going to be seen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► hindsight as a trendy aspect of Iowa seven and the matter I think no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► what they do between now and when they ship comfort I don't they make maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► dial back some of it which would be great but yeah I think overall though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► it's still going to be a lot of Helvetica ultralight in in this place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► cases in light I think in years come by way too trendy direction yes I hope and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► I hope that it is that it changes in the future that Apple to in their marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► materials and ever since I was 7 has come out of noticed it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► has been using a lot more of a very light strict version of Mary and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► own for their own stuff you know their own marketing materials and at first I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► thought that they knew they started using it I think with like the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► Air or something like that where it was meant the actual light weight of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► font was meant to convey the lightness of the actual hardware product you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► buying but it looks like they're using it everywhere and it's sort of almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► feel like it's a fad that's infected Apple is this desire to go with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► really light stroke versions of that may be true and I mean that it does just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► really mirror the hardware really well but yeah that's not always always useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► right now and I think that too because they keep it as you know now that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► my old iphone4s running I was seven and I'm trying to use it during the day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► was in court for a better wifi so much as I can to get used to it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► switched my iPhone 5 and every time I pick up the five oh my god it's so thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► and light back to day one and I'm shocked at how much it yeah but I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► of feel like if they went with Helvetica of regular or irregular yeah whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► I'm not gonna say that I don't care about the difference but you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► mean for body text just for like the body of a chat messages I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► that it would ruin the fact no not at all I think there would be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► helpful and they do so they do use regular and actually so they have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► dynamic type they they tried to as as they use it at smaller sizes they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► thicken it up but I feel like they didn't do that and like the they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► think enough it at sort of normal reading sizes I guess I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► it's I think it's a cool thing that they do and that there but they're aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► that but just raining there would be great for things like male yeah and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► even seen people be confused about what that setting does where I've seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► couple peoples think that the dynamic tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► saying is about making the tape thicker well as it as it gets smaller I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► like you just the way you know you've got a real I think it's only if you dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► it down to the smallest size than in some cases it will switch to a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► way but for the most part you're still getting identical light size whereas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► and i think what's telling about the confusion people have over that is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► that I think a lot of people when they're faced with a greeting their mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► and I was seven they don't think this fonts too small they think that's want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► to then it's too wispy yes it just doesn't read well and in the iTunes sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► of like the toolbar icons I mean they really reflect and not in a good way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► either in my opinion things like to share icon of the bookmarks icon in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Safari so it has like the same weight as hell that accolade just looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► but it is also really hard to distinguish bookmarks I can I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► what is that what is that supposed to be a didn't it didn't read as as a bookmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► icon at all it sort of took me like 10 seconds the person and that's happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► with a couple of things and you haven't even just just looking at the the icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► like right now I'm in male looking at the iPhones and they they definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► match and they look balanced with with the typography noted but they don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► not pretty right hands are nicer to me yeah I don't like that style anyway I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► expressed it is it to me I think the icon should sort of have the same feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► that Helvetica as they have the sake you said they have the same stroke with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► how come they don't look like if Helvetica had a a new Unicode glyph for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► iOS sharing it wouldn't look like a box and the box at the arrow is it funky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► I really liked their old share icon actually you know and and then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► that would be too heavy for this new overhaul of a system but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► yeah this is again it's it's like a little too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► yeah and I think that they actually that's one of those things were actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► and redraw the icon but they've gone too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► it is still a narrow coming out of the box but I feel like it's so different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► than the old one and it doesn't have to be this will be like you mean to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► you're sending it sort of alludes to pushing sending whereas this one is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► sort of going straight up which I know people sort of developed an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► understanding of what that glickman and it doesn't have the energy the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► does or sort of the action I don't think that this looks like the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► know you'd only know it because it's in the same spot and most of these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► exactly where is it on its own I don't think people would say that's the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► version of that icon rate and the bookmarks one is another example of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► to ya book lady so yeah so your agreement with you there are icons I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► could here's another one that I picked up and I it was suddenly bothering me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► but I was seven but when I read your article I was like yes yes this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► killing which is in like alerts and dialog box type things they they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► older texts and may not even be have a cold I think it's just Helvetica regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► but it looks like it's just regular old compared to connote the defaults button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► yeah that's what he can to me before you could tell based on position but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► just based on the look of the buttons like one stood out you know a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► the hold button was read or or black depending on what kind of inaction she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► you've got but yeah you there's no there's no way to tell me what the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► destruction destructive option is like right away you have to like sort of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► look at it for a second and then you know like things pretty much they follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► the same pattern there in the same place isn't stuff and you interact with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► in the same way but they don't look the same I mean yeah there's not there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2273">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► it confused me all along and I couldn't help but wonder if in some cases it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► just a bug because it's at an early version of the OS that they've won was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► different then when she said that I kind of started seeing it yeah that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► they mean they mean to go to the bold one by the fall in some cases it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► safe option in other cases maybe it's not the safe option but it's like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► you would expect them to want to do ya like if you already clicked a trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► icon you probably do want to delete this bold and cancel will be then share but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► overall the effect though is to me it's it's it's an interesting idea and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► worth trying but I think it's a complete failure because I feel like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► sort of thing like if you have two or three buttons in a dialog box you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► maybe play with the color of them but you can't play with the weight it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► just looks like you've made like programming error yeah yeah cuz look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► accidental like if I have three articles on my website and all three of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► type of articles were then they should all use the same mantra the headline and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► one of them is using a different font for the headline it looks like a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► like I said the wrong class on the element or something like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► what these buttons and it sticks out of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► rather than get used to it as the weeks go on it sticks out to me more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► as time goes on and I think I see the logic though of why they did it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► which is you can kind of backwards engineer which is like Mac OS 10 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► blue and it has like animation to it and then you know that if you hit the Return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► key on your keyboard you that's the button that's right that's right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► then on iOS they don't have returned key so you know you kinda have to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► happened so they would just make like the default one blue and the other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► gray typically something like that they would use the background color of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► so now they've got done away with backgrounds of buttons so they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► nothing else to play with and so they said well why don't we try making a bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► right it doesn't work for me either its just not it's not distinct enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► like you said you had to just different enough that it looks wrong but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► doesn't jump out at you like I want to be able to tell at a glance which which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► button is canceled and you know I do know that cancels going to be the one on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► the bottom usually but yeah I just wanted to stand out more I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► have to really parse these are sort of like new get to a point where you you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► not actually been reading the buttons you just want to know what they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► say and and a lot of that is visual and so no sort of you have to rely more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► the text and it takes just like slightly longer I would almost prefer if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► want to stick to their extreme minimal guns I would almost prefer if they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► less to differentiate them and only use let's say the placement of the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► to to confer which one is the default so if it's a stack of vertical stack of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► often get on the iPhone topped the top one is the fall and the bottom line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► canceled and they all have the same weight Helvetica whether its regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► whether it's all true just make them all the same and it's like a two buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► left-right the right one is always defaults and the left one is always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► canceled or the equivalent you know but make them the same way and just let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► consistency of their placement be the the emphasis even though there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► actually less emphasis in that case my eyes just can't get used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► different two buttons that are supposed to be peers yea or anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► oh the icon grid for this is a big question I have yeah so this is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► your husband you mentioned in the article Nevin Morgan a pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► article widely read about you called this grid wrong this is this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2538">TS</a>]
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00:42:49 ◼ ► setting is that it looks like it extends you know way too close to the edges and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► any different if it wasn't so heavy and likewise like the circle for the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► Store iTunes Store just feels like it's it's too large within the square where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► he and funky played devil's advocate here disagree I don't think so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► think it looks weird it looks as usual I don't think that it's inherently I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► with Nevin that it goes contrary to these sort of consensus designed sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► that we've arrived at with with iOS icons in particular app icons over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► years and that would never i think is described as as feeling right just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► iPod sizing is indeed the it's like when you're trying to judge if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► and you know like a friend is your spouse or somebody is buying a new dress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► or a suit because there's a big wedding coming up and you go shopping with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► and they come out and you know you just sort of have an idea that wow that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► look good it looks much more you know that look stylish that's a much nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► Sudan your old one you know or or or the opposite that no that does not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► took that suit out of your father's closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► you know it's doesn't hard to articulate there's like style changes I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► Nevins right that that was the style but I think it's I think it's just that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► style just a style and not yet but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► irritate my for some reason in but no you could be right I could just be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► I'm accustomed to the other style and i dont i dont like seeing when you scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► back the clock really bugs me although I will say that the Photos app icon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► really like I said it doesn't bother me that's why maybe cuz it's broken up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► little bit more like it's not just a circle it's close to the edges it sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► of these rounded rocks that are you know spun around well I asked him how to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► it's a better use of the space and a person and one that I don't hate it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► much as other people but the one that it confuses me is the Safari icon because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► don't understand why the Safari icon has a circle in the square right just be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► the needle rained and let it just be a blue square or round square with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► everyone that shape but let me sort of like your weather icon and just have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► competent it I don't understand why to Circle in the Square right for me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► bothers me about the most is actually the needle how the needle is touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► the circle and being close to the edges sort of irritating to but it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► that the needle inside it's really just bothers me I don't like it I also kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► of feel like the new shape and and sort of a draw more close to the edge edict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2751">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► yeah I constant and I don't know that they're bad for the iPhone I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► that they're different on the iPhone but I think they work better on the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► here's the thing I have thought about it this week and I haven't seen anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► talk about it but I poked around Apple's site and as far as I can tell that icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► grid is not anything that you can download or at least not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► like I came out of WWDC thinking that this grid was going to be right there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► the iOS Dev Center and you do you know how to design icons for Iowa seven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► give it to you in a PSD format or some other format PDF or something and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► you could start drawing your app icons on this great bus far as I can tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► group doesn't exist only ones I could find her ones that people out there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► yeah I haven't found it as as a thing that Apple has produced it either but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► you know I'm sure that their reworking the Interface Guidelines and hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► that'll be part of it all that's what is it just something we're waiting for or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► is this just an explanation of their icons system and they wouldn't mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► it if they well you know I was sort of really good leader but I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► could be wrong I was too but now I'm not sure I don't know because the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► reason I went looking for it is I got it in my head that if you took it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► started over laying it on certain Apple products like base stations and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► Apple TV that that the hardware already conforms to the same grid interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► but I couldn't get that far because I couldn't tell somebody smart out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► fireball that would be a good project this week is fine that grid and then put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► it on top of products like Apple TV and base station and all the other round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► square hardware products they haven't see it see if they fit you believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► grid-based designed you think that there's something to that I guess Jony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► ive is committed to it and if my theory is right that the hardware fits to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► same grid that the icons do then you know I think it works it works for a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► of things things I don't know I definitely mostly go on I but it depends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► on what I'm doing and sort of like the more information and sort of data that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► want to show the more I want to use a grid but the more like about designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► say like a Mac app icon then it's I don't use it at all it just sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► drawn a shape that I think looks nice but if I'm sort of planning out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► happens gonna look like a lot more likely to use a great and just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► yes said how am I going to divide up this window and two thirds and more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► more than that you know how are things going to lay out and I think it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► depends on the kind of design that you're doing that you're showing I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► the idea of grids and when I see people who'd who are big supporters of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► grid-based last like we've been a great book on the web based design and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► the grid overlaid on top of the result and I see the house there's the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► and play i think thats awesome I love and I'm always impressed but whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► designed it myself I just go with what looks great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► yeah my favorite example is the daring where the during fireball logo is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► during fireball website no logic as it doesn't really fit with either of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► two columns underneath I just kept moving it left and right until I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► like it looked like it was balance between the gap between the two ya done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► and that's absolutely there's no way you can try the kind of grit over that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► once I had it I thought that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► we have this is called grid systems and it's it's pretty good I haven't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► read the whole thing and I love that I like again the I like the concept but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3025">TS</a>]
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00:52:07 ◼ ► / the talk show you came here from there they came there from here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► you are so design max offer you said more famous example good example of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► work would be piezo yeah really really nice out but is so skew more I told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► when it first came out so the app looks like the icon so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► March the icon it's like the icon to me it's like it just gets turned into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► full sized window and now you can use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► the icon is very few apps thanks that's what I was really going to design is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► is it quickly turning pass 800 I think so too I mean I look at it now I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► oh this is way too like the week it came out I want to redesign it and it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► late Chinese but yeah I definitely designed the icon till the app itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► because that's one thing but when I'm sort of shuffling through my Mac apps I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► wanted to I want each icon to sort of Jaar memory of sort of of what the APIs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► and when it doesn't and what it's going to do so wanted to just really tie them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► together so you know where I feel like we're going to be left with an unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► situation where come under no 34234 months after I was seven ships and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► most actively developed apps have caught up to the highest 7 designed trends that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► will have a lot more apps left on the Mac that look like iOS as we know it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► fewer on iOS yeah a lot of a lot of the stuff that I see like NPA's appears so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► to me it looks like something a nap on the Mac that has drawn a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► from iOS chair right so it's like there's like a nice little glossy finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► to the levels that makes it look like there's a piece of glass over I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► remember since the fight that on the Mac before I was great and letting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► directly came from product illustrations of iPhone and iMacs and MacBooks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► stuff but they started doing that you know probably around the same time not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► really sure when that sort of gloss thing came out in an Apple product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► illustrations but it's definitely not only from the do you think that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► were thats do you think that the Mac is gonna keep this stuff do you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► Mac is heading for an Iowa 17 think I think actually the mech will just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► sort of trailing Iowa sand that way in so we'll start seeing more flat caps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► it'll sort of I think I S is sort of leading the design trends and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► mecca sort of following along behind and doing its own thing to have in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► branching off and going at it and its own way sort of separately but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► definitely think you'll see left you more prison warden stationed at UPS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► that had become a big thing but it'll start to trail off now to buy one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► I would love to see them do and you know I got we did this and people panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► nearly always hope not but I you know treated something effective you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► that come next year Johnny Ives the same team that brought you I S seven is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► do a new version of Mac OS 10 I don't know that that's true yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't be surprised if it went one what one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► the one extreme would be a radical Iowa seven style jewelry design of a Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► 10 I would think a lot along the lines of what we see with Iowa so just within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► Windows as opposed to fullscreen things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► or B they kind of just leave it alone and and say that you know that this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► of grave platinum look that we've gotten to it is sort of the end of the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► the end of the ten years of development of establishing a style for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► yeah I hope that it doesnt system I feel like that would be stagnating and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► would be kind of sad you know so I'm not sure if I mean maybe it won't go as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► know drastically in the direction of seven but I hope it doesn't stay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► same my guess is it won't lie I really that it won't stay the same as that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► I do think something semi I'm a bad bet a little bit of money but like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► bucks something radical becoming for next year after the same team that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► brought you I was seven is eventually finished with iOS 7 you know has time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► yeah I would not be surprised but it's kinda striking to me that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► it's cool if you're a magnum want the Mac you don't want Apple to forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► the Mac it's cool that there's average has a lot of new stuff they've cleaned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► lot of time in the Keno to it it's not an afterthought but in terms of visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► style nothing has changed ya know which is it's fine for now I'm excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► stuff and maverick's but yeah I think it'll get visually updated eventually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► don't know I can't say if it'll be as drastic as I S seven or maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► ordered to remain in between but definitely hope it'll get at least a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► the other thing maybe I'm off by a year maybe it's a two years out thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► I do think this is true that it's not a coincidence that this radical redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► of Iowa 7 has happened after almost all I was 70 iOS devices have gone to retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► displays whereas retina displays for the Mac or still an oddity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► two models to MacBook Pros and those are not the most popular MacBooks the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► areas are right that's a really good point they couldn't get away with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► West penis definitely I just a standard non right now display back at ya and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► think that would hold up well at all like the physics and the animation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► that'd be cool I would be totally cool and you know you can't help but think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► that you know if it's the prototype of the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► the new Mac Pro if it's you know it's John Siracusa describes it like the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► the race car makes it shows off technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► oh yeah it's going to be in the family sedan 67 years later it's clearly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► that direction is the new Mac Pro as in tired graphics card that's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► meant to power displayed just to have a GPU available to software to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► like you know animate shade I'd love to see Mac OS 10 get flatter one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► bothered me for ten years about is how big the drop however big hi how high the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► drop shadow is between years and I think that's just to make it look super deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► to sort of implied that you can have a lot of Windows happening at once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► stacked on top of each other maybe I mean that's always been you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► they've started to get flatter me if you look at the newer scrollbars the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► two versions like they are not those big honkin always present scroll bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► anymore it's like they disappear they're they're really in in their totally flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► and they are they're only there when you when you start to move to fall anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► yeah that's a good example of where it's really contra maybe the most gratuitous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► Lee the headlight was out the last remaining vestige of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► and Annie replaced it with words probably the flattest thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► default system yeah yeah I would say probably isn't the funnest thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► dizzy heights the implication of Z height distance between Windows though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► as always been so preposterous on yeah they look like they're like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► four inches away from each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► totally they they really do they're really really big whereas in the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► Mac OS two digits drew like a one pixel gray line on the right side and bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► side and that was all he needed was perfect but more like paper sheets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► paper that are stacked as opposed to that's a good analogy Yeah Yeah Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► right things is the implication of an awful lot of distance between windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► always has always bothered me I we're almost up for the hour but there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► more thing I wanted to talk to you about and that was and I didn't even know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► were involved in it to you brought it up in your macworld article but that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► were a speaker at apt camp for girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► yes yeah that was so very was really fun I'm gonna do it again in August so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► tell me more about how that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► yes I just went in for one day I think the next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► camp runs in a couple hours a day for five days but this you know I just went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► in and I did like a 45 minute talk just like an overview about user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► design principles and and sort of what that means on iOS I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► patterns an anti patterns and had this bit about hugging the hague just telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► them you know to sort of embrace expected patterns as far as for problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► that have already been solved and they're actually really into it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► likes to pretend I didn't expect like a roomful of middle schoolers to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► attention to sort of anything that an adult would be saying standing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► front of the room but you have to have this this group of like 12 middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► schoolers being really interested in interface design was awesome and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► the biggest part of the whole thing was when I talked about you know get to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► 2007 because they were going to be working on iOS 6 I wanted to stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► our I was six works and looks and just just user interface patterns in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► that sort of thing but it was great they were they were super into it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► had a ton of questions and comments was great and I worked with them sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► individually afterwards they were broken up into teams and I talked to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► one-on-one and they talked to them with you know the team's altogether too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► it was great and it was just calling it a beta yet the camp because I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► was only about a dozen girls I think just 12 of 15 girls yes it was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► time so they had done an alpha camp before with just three short of seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► like what what the camp would be if they did it again this time it was a beta so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► sure of just like doing a run-through seeing how it would really work and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► McDonald who runs it said it was a lot of great feedback and so now though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► they'll be doing it I guess sort of four real I guess as a as a launch it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► really wouldn't rely on their eyes and right now it's you know just well at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► least it's a Portland thing yes yes she wants to expand it to other cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► because obviously you know middle aged kids aren't going to be able to pack up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► and just go to 12 Portland after you know being local is a bigger deal for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► kids thing then conference sure yet definitely for summer camp especially I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► think you know it's harder to travel for that I think it's such a great great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► idea and it's not but it's not done yet just because it's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► that I wanted to bring it up again is to launch it to get it off the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► jeanne set up as an IndieGoGo project IndieGoGo is sort of like Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► type thing but it can be used for different types of projects that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► kick-started can be if you think about it as a different way of doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► Kickstarter type thing that's all you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► yeah I think about is like Kickstarter per for nonprofits the things that i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► landed on it we're almost profit fundraising yeah a perfect perfect way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► of putting it and it's often more for things that can't quite be described as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► a product you know like Kickstarter is minimized by things like the paper watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► whatever that thing is called yeah you give them money and then you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► thing that you can like pick up whereas at Camp for Girls you don't get a don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► get a watch and a $50,000 goal in a hit and there there as I speak right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► it's $73,000 which is awesome but there's a really wanna hit a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► thousand before this is up and there's as a as we speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► 11 days left probably by the time you hear this about a week left but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► encourage everybody could use Google Apps camp for girls and get there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► to indiegogo.com in search for a camp for girls you'll get to the project page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► and if you haven't contributed I really think everybody out there listens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► show it because it's such a great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► do it I'm super excited about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► yeah me too it was it was such a cool thing to be involved with I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► excited to be involved that again going for it and I hope they reach their goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► and our goal and keep it going I really it's totally the sort of thing I see my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► daughter doing and she's like 11 or 12 hopefully I mean it depends on who she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► turns out to be in one season to you but I would love it to have just grown to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► the point that she can she can enroll in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► 12 years from now yeah I think it's great i think its gonna hope it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► off it but you know it definitely is everybody's help so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► I would encourage everybody listening to check it out I'm so glad to hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► the first the beta 1 went well yeah not surprised I feel like there's probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► huge untapped market out there for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► really really excited about that I Christian Morgan thank you so much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► being on the show is there anything else any any any website you want me to point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► people to your twitter sure Twitter what's your Twitter handle Anticristo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► anti-christian antichrist within a plea which is a great name of course our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► processes is your boss to report directly to I do yeah he's he's my boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► / project manager internet funny man with my wife now yes and it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwlPDWo/4058">TS</a>]