The Talk Show

48: Eddy Cue Is Going to Jail


00:00:00   johnnie no I'm fine I'm excellent so we're gonna news is we've got it you [TS]

00:00:11   know I here's what I'm thinking I'm thinking is a couple people who noticed [TS]

00:00:16   the last couple weeks on the show has been the whole show talking about iOS [TS]

00:00:19   urban design some people are fed up with it so I've got a new topic I want to run [TS]

00:00:24   it by ear [TS]

00:00:25   this is why I asked you on show this week Derek Jeter's returned to the [TS]

00:00:28   Yankees are so i'm waiting for a free rides return yeah I don't think there [TS]

00:00:38   isn't I wanna know I wanna know when that's happening on that is working the [TS]

00:00:45   concession stands right now I think they got him into rehab he's doing he's doing [TS]

00:00:55   a rehab stint working the concession stands a beard guy guy a ride he said it [TS]

00:01:08   should actually do that endeared him to fans do you have a did is there like a [TS]

00:01:15   classic do you go to games that much you could have been a few yeah I mean you [TS]

00:01:21   know it's you know get over them at least once a year I try to i get to [TS]

00:01:24   Yankee Stadium you know hopefully I'd like to go twice a year at least so far [TS]

00:01:29   this year is there is there a signature guy like a peanut guy we had a penis guy [TS]

00:01:38   who actually worked at the Kingdome think before you went to say since [TS]

00:01:45   retired but he was like he would do i mean he would throw the peanuts at you [TS]

00:01:48   from Lake 50 feet away there might be but I don't have enough to know that you [TS]

00:01:57   know they used to be a kind was it was a fan knows a guy who used to like a [TS]

00:02:02   season ticket holder like an old guy like a drum [TS]

00:02:05   passed away early moment sales for the guys name we don't know yet but the guy [TS]

00:02:16   and he eventually he disappeared and just didn't show up for work [TS]

00:02:24   people were very concerned about it in the paper the articles in the paper and [TS]

00:02:27   things on the news about finally decided not to go to work for a while but he [TS]

00:02:34   would be would throw the peanuts from afar now one time he whipped me and it [TS]

00:02:39   went behind my head kinda through gonna throw you know music I guess I know what [TS]

00:02:46   I did what I did to deserve that but and I you know I managed to reach behind my [TS]

00:02:52   head and grabbed the bag but it but it flew open and the peanuts went [TS]

00:02:57   everywhere and there were some people in front of me to come over from building [TS]

00:03:02   or something but weren't very happy about that didn't did not understand the [TS]

00:03:05   that this was that this was a fan favorite thing to do in the penis and as [TS]

00:03:14   he turned his back and stuff like that yes yeah yeah i've seen [TS]

00:03:18   yeah I do realize that his fam so you've actually gotten peanuts from the guy I [TS]

00:03:23   have yeah I was bill on time and I don't think he's I don't think he's there [TS]

00:03:27   anymore but I'm not positive yeah that's the joy going to the baseball game I did [TS]

00:03:38   go to a game this week though I went to join us and I and jonathan Jones his [TS]

00:03:43   best friend and his dad we went to see the Phillies had a good time so weird [TS]

00:03:49   game was a very weird game the Phillies lost to the Nationals for 21 and every [TS]

00:03:56   single run in the game was a solo home run kind of a weird game and Cliff Lee [TS]

00:04:02   who was pitching for the Phillies and I we've already lost the entire audience [TS]

00:04:06   by the way [TS]

00:04:07   Cliff Lee pitched for the Phillies they lost 41 he gave up four solo home runs [TS]

00:04:14   but he actually pits a phenomenal game he he had to give the exact numbers on [TS]

00:04:22   but something like he finished the game with seventy strikes and 12 balls he was [TS]

00:04:28   like the highest strike the ball ratio since the year 2000 like in every single [TS]

00:04:33   major league game in the last 13 years he just had like the highest strike the [TS]

00:04:37   ball ratio I I honestly think he might have thrown for bad pitches and every [TS]

00:04:42   single one of them was hit four home and that was the day was bizarre game he was [TS]

00:04:47   like on fire and yet the Phillies was kind of weird how the Phillies doing [TS]

00:04:53   this year not so good there like nine games under 500 I don't know what they [TS]

00:04:58   did last night so maybe there would really weak division did nationally East [TS]

00:05:04   I think terrible there's no excuse for not winning a division of the Mariners [TS]

00:05:10   so it's so painful I am I really don't watch the games that much anymore she [TS]

00:05:19   can't bear to but I'm at a party game happens beyond what I used to do in [TS]

00:05:28   Philly when I was in college in the nineties when the Phillies after [TS]

00:05:31   Phillies had a great team in 93 and 94 is this strike and like 95 96 we would [TS]

00:05:39   just check the schedule and look for when Kurt showing his pit now we really [TS]

00:05:44   did look look for home games were Curt Schilling was gonna pitch and just go [TS]

00:05:49   you know then we'd circle and then we go see him on Curt Schilling days cause I'm [TS]

00:05:52   Curt Schilling days the Phillies are one of the best teams in baseball and when [TS]

00:05:57   other guys you know that's where the Mariners alike with ya feelin so yeah [TS]

00:06:03   yeah so is Rickey Henderson is he played he played in the money went down the [TS]

00:06:11   guidance loves the game so much [TS]

00:06:13   cards apparently but downplayed the minors for a while after he finished [TS]

00:06:21   with the A's sorry I was always a big Rickey Henderson ice cream he's so much [TS]

00:06:25   fun he's he's one of those guys who the rare guy who talks about himself in the [TS]

00:06:31   third person right never use first-person pronoun it's always tricky [TS]

00:06:36   and yet somehow you love him for it and you don't think wow what a douche you [TS]

00:06:42   think you know what the Yankees to the Yankees have great tradition while the [TS]

00:06:49   other teams don't i guess its cuz they don't have been don't care about [TS]

00:06:52   tradition Yankees have all old-timers day every year they did that a couple [TS]

00:06:56   weeks ago so they invite you know a whole bunch of you know all-time yankees [TS]

00:07:01   to come and they play a game before the game [TS]

00:07:04   eleven o'clock you know you know in some of the guys are only out for a couple [TS]

00:07:08   years and you watch him and you think he looks like he could still play he had [TS]

00:07:14   like a ball out to the wall it went out and Ricky was there this year Ricky [TS]

00:07:19   plane and did of course to the snatch catch in the crowd went right and that's [TS]

00:07:26   the sort of thing where you just [TS]

00:07:27   if it weren't Rickey Henderson you signed outfielder do its gnatcatcher [TS]

00:07:32   what an asshole but I think well of course he's gonna do that you can't just [TS]

00:07:38   make a regular catch real news this week I guess the biggest news is got to be [TS]

00:07:44   the the [TS]

00:07:45   e-book price-fixing case right now would be it so i guess i guess im not [TS]

00:07:55   surprised that I lost it didn't seem good you know and I know it sounds funny [TS]

00:08:00   it seems like it too would think this type of case is it is not like what you [TS]

00:08:04   think of when you think of a court case because there's no jury it was like [TS]

00:08:07   before a judge and it's supposed to be this way they gave seen a lot of people [TS]

00:08:12   say that this was a controversial cuz this judged coat is it colder coats [TS]

00:08:16   coats so I know its current coach she said before the trial started that she [TS]

00:08:23   found the DOJ is case against Apple compelling you know and rain in LA [TS]

00:08:28   people like wall how can she be the judge of she's already before the trial [TS]

00:08:32   said that but apparently in this type of case so much of the evidence is [TS]

00:08:35   presented beforehand that that's it's actually perfectly acceptable there's no [TS]

00:08:38   that's that's no reason for Apple to to complain they might have other you no [TS]

00:08:43   reason to complain but not that yeah we just think that they go into these [TS]

00:08:49   things and that their case and then the judge said well alright but that's not [TS]

00:08:55   how it works well that's how a jury case though works in case the jerry is [TS]

00:08:59   supposed not to the judge right the jury is supposed to start with a complete [TS]

00:09:03   blank slate as to the facts and only become you know only the facts presented [TS]

00:09:07   in quarters posed to be tendered but apparently when it's dry before judge [TS]

00:09:11   doesn't work that way so I guess I'm not surprised because you know it's almost [TS]

00:09:17   like it was like a courtesy of you guys are screwed by them but they going to [TS]

00:09:22   appeal Apple seems adamant about it [TS]

00:09:24   yeah and I you know I feel like you know everything Apple makes people crazy I [TS]

00:09:32   mean you and I have talked about this many times how Apple makes Apple [TS]

00:09:35   incorporated makes people crazy and now that this is out there some certain [TS]

00:09:42   people who like Apple somethin somethin guilty price-fixing and it's there you [TS]

00:09:46   go there the evil empire there [TS]

00:09:48   the worst company in the world and i really think no matter what your [TS]

00:09:51   thoughts are on Apple I really do think that it's the cases a lot more subtle [TS]

00:09:56   than that and it certainly is not the case that Apple in any way like [TS]

00:10:03   fix things so as they dominate the e-book industry because they don't [TS]

00:10:08   dominate the book industry they're not even the leading [TS]

00:10:11   I guess their second Amazon but it's a distant second ninety percent something [TS]

00:10:19   like that yeah it's crazy I mean there might even with iBooks being like I [TS]

00:10:25   think a relative success I think you could still say that can go in the [TS]

00:10:32   Kindle Store is a monopoly on e-books so it's very strange that the company that [TS]

00:10:38   enables you know sort of made this case all along like isn't it strange that the [TS]

00:10:44   company that doesn't have a monopoly is the company that the DOJ days is [TS]

00:10:49   pursuing for unduly influence in the market [TS]

00:10:55   Senegal sénégal take on that would maybe be related to an Apple was brought [TS]

00:11:01   before congress few months ago was like may end and at the time it was sort of [TS]

00:11:08   it was noted that they don't really spend that much on lobbying compared to [TS]

00:11:12   a lot of other companies in particular Amazon is one of them an amazon has had [TS]

00:11:17   spent a lot of lobbying because of the whole sales tax that's been a real big [TS]

00:11:24   concern from them and they spend time trying to work that issue to try and [TS]

00:11:28   make that think about you know so that it would work well for them and but you [TS]

00:11:34   know if you were so if one were cynical one would say that going could say that [TS]

00:11:38   if Apple is but more time [TS]

00:11:40   greasing the wheels of politics maybe they wouldn't be in the position of [TS]

00:11:44   their end [TS]

00:11:44   you know that there's somebody tweeted that to me today and I tweeted back to [TS]

00:11:49   them that I didn't think so that was congress in this is Department of [TS]

00:11:54   Justice's executive branch the judges I you know judicial branch and you know I [TS]

00:11:59   am NOT saying the judges are completely apolitical but once you're appointed a [TS]

00:12:04   federal judge you don't have to keep getting reelected so there's no there's [TS]

00:12:09   not as much money shouldn't be employed I don't think there's any kind of the [TS]

00:12:14   judge but the case was pursued at all right [TS]

00:12:19   the justice department is bombers justice and I don't even think it's a [TS]

00:12:23   secret I think that the fact that that it was Amazon that brought you know you [TS]

00:12:29   can't it's like Amazon can file a suit against Apple like this but it was [TS]

00:12:35   Amazon that went to the DOJ and said hey guys should go after these guys there [TS]

00:12:39   they fixed they fix this [TS]

00:12:41   Sherman Act yeah I know but I don't think it's even a secret that the Amazon [TS]

00:12:47   you know petitioned the Department of Justice to pursue a bonus regard our [TS]

00:12:53   good friend out of banks at tidbits had I think I'd like to it yesterday I think [TS]

00:12:59   he had an excellent overview like you read the judge's ruling I did read the [TS]

00:13:05   whole room I read a lot of it though and it was it was actually I thought it was [TS]

00:13:08   fantastic clear in terms of just not being like legalese or anything like [TS]

00:13:12   that like something legal dumb dumb like me just reading sort of follow her logic [TS]

00:13:19   and you know which bits of the evidence she found it interesting and compelling [TS]

00:13:23   and Adam you know road I think a good summary of that yeah yeah I was rushing [TS]

00:13:30   to finish it before we go so what's your take [TS]

00:13:34   well it's always been kind of a weird thing he does seem you know first blush [TS]

00:13:40   it seems like what why are they going after Apple instead of going after [TS]

00:13:43   Amazon but at the same time the things that they went after them for it wasn't [TS]

00:13:52   so much the agency model as it was the things that they did on top of the [TS]

00:13:55   agency model in order to try and make sure so they did they wanted to switch [TS]

00:13:59   to the agency model but they also want to make sure they could still sell books [TS]

00:14:02   at the same price that Ms Huntsville books for so they would get most favored [TS]

00:14:08   nation status in order to be able to price things lower to match Amazon's [TS]

00:14:13   braces and then there was the other thing it was but there was a two things [TS]

00:14:17   that were not so much related to the agency model is just more specifically [TS]

00:14:22   setting the prices was the other one was at the tears yes the tears that the [TS]

00:14:31   setting specific pricing tiers right that you know that Apple I think you [TS]

00:14:39   know this all sort of makes intuitive sense to but the ebook guys wanted much [TS]

00:14:48   higher prices like has paid you know our or hardcover books the publishers the [TS]

00:14:54   publishes the publishers you know had been selling bestsellers like you know [TS]

00:15:00   Stephen King comes out with a new book or fifty shades of grey comes out with a [TS]

00:15:05   new book and that that's going to be like you know he's going to be a [TS]

00:15:08   bestseller and they're like twenty-five thirty bucks hardcover but they sell [TS]

00:15:15   them to the booksellers at like 15 16 bucks with those $30 suggested price in [TS]

00:15:21   the add up to the booksellers to price it somewhere between that suggested [TS]

00:15:25   price and whatever the hotel costes but you know best sellers are generally in [TS]

00:15:30   hardcover in the twenties and they've always managed the book market sort of [TS]

00:15:36   like and this is obviously even predates home video but it's sort of like with [TS]

00:15:41   movies were first movies going the theater [TS]

00:15:44   and are only in the theater and it's like 10 bucks a ticket to go see it in [TS]

00:15:47   to make a lot of money that way and then they weighed in in like you know four [TS]

00:15:52   months later whatever the the home video thing comes out and then you can buy the [TS]

00:15:56   DVD and blu-ray or buy it on iTunes or whatever and then three months later six [TS]

00:16:05   months after that then maybe they'll put it on HBO HBO to train in two years [TS]

00:16:10   later than some stupid commercial channel these tears rolling down the [TS]

00:16:17   book market has always been first the hardcover and then some number of months [TS]

00:16:22   later than they come out with a nice paperback version of it and it's cheaper [TS]

00:16:25   even though it's the exact same book just you know and probably way more [TS]

00:16:31   cheaper than the difference in the actual materials between hardcover and [TS]

00:16:34   paperback books that that the whole concept of ebooks sort of distress that [TS]

00:16:41   there's there's no you can't make like a good version and a better version like [TS]

00:16:47   paperback hardcover there's just the book ratner may be nice nice bounce [TS]

00:16:56   terrible you can get a comic sans version shouldn't even mention that some [TS]

00:17:05   seventies somebody out there and you know like all of like you know like the [TS]

00:17:14   music industry before it they want to put the genie back in the head and go [TS]

00:17:17   back to the days when they could sell the new Stephen King book for $29.99 [TS]

00:17:21   instead of 999 and I think a poor based on you know I'm looking at the testimony [TS]

00:17:32   Apple went to these guys and said look you know you guys gotta get realistic [TS]

00:17:36   the ebook you know fifteen bucks is kinda high for any you know that that [TS]

00:17:41   should be like your target for like hype like a bestseller 15 bucks I trust us we [TS]

00:17:46   know what people are willing to spend online transaction you know a lot of [TS]

00:17:53   music we saw a lot abs [TS]

00:17:54   15 bucks is really what you should be you know looking at 12 and 11 for older [TS]

00:18:00   books or something like that and yeah but it looks like that that sort of [TS]

00:18:06   hearing strategy I guess they got you know it's not just like a suggestion it [TS]

00:18:12   was sort of like a rule from Apple yeah definitely counted against yeah I mean [TS]

00:18:17   when you take that and you take it to all the major publishers and say hey [TS]

00:18:21   let's let's do this [TS]

00:18:23   ok that sounds like you know what you traditionally think of as well and then [TS]

00:18:31   there's also the collusion because they had the phone records and showed that [TS]

00:18:36   you know prior to 80 QS like whirlwind tour of the new york publishers you know [TS]

00:18:43   that these publishers had made very few calls between each other and then as [TS]

00:18:47   soon as you hit town there's a whole bunch of calls from simon schuster doe [TS]

00:18:51   Random House Random House to whoever else suggesting that they were you know [TS]

00:18:58   all sort of the other thing is I I don't know how this could have happened [TS]

00:19:03   without saying without Apple saying you guys should if your gonna switch to the [TS]

00:19:11   agency model which is really effectively it's not that complicated it's the App [TS]

00:19:18   Store model where you set as the seller you the publisher so you don't set a [TS]

00:19:25   wholesale price you set the resale the retail price and we take 30% and you [TS]

00:19:32   keep 70% and that's it [TS]

00:19:34   you set a price customer pays it and will give youth seventy percent of that [TS]

00:19:38   that's another way of thinking about it is that Apple went to these publishers [TS]

00:19:45   and said we we want to sell e-books exactly like we sell apps you set a [TS]

00:19:52   price will give you 70 percent and will will handle all the distribution I don't [TS]

00:19:57   see how they could have done it without getting them all on board right [TS]

00:20:05   and I guess that's the other thing I'm can still confused about is what what [TS]

00:20:13   could I have done differently to not be guilty of price fixing in this case [TS]

00:20:19   wouldn't have been enough for them not to get the MFN clause the whatever if [TS]

00:20:26   you're selling it at a lower price somewhere else we get to match the price [TS]

00:20:29   is if they wouldn't have had that clause with that have been enough that might [TS]

00:20:34   have been enough I mean I would think that Amazon would have had less of an [TS]

00:20:38   objection and would have been less likely to take you know go to the [TS]

00:20:42   justice department and say go after these guys I don't because that's what [TS]

00:20:46   really because I think that's what Amazon really wanted to be able to do [TS]

00:20:49   though is they want to do they want to have these loss leaders of the could [TS]

00:20:53   sell just to get people to come to this site right because with the agency model [TS]

00:20:57   you can't sell at a loss because it's you don't you know there's no there is [TS]

00:21:04   no wholesale retail difference it the seller and the creator Pixar retail [TS]

00:21:10   price and you just give him seventy percent of it there is no way to [TS]

00:21:13   undercut the price and apple an apple never would have been able to sell those [TS]

00:21:19   books for that price because the publishers wouldn't have set them lol [TS]

00:21:24   raining on Arizona chugged along happily as it as it had been and I'm not sure [TS]

00:21:31   about this is my guest and because they would steal still some books at $9.99 I [TS]

00:21:38   guess maybe the other way would be that would have made Amazon happy and I can't [TS]

00:21:43   help but think would have made this a non-issue from the Department of [TS]

00:21:48   Justice's angle is ok you call it the agency model and let's say you know John [TS]

00:21:54   Holt comes out with a new novel published by random house and Random [TS]

00:21:58   House wanted to sell for $14.99 Amazon can still sell it for $9.99 and just [TS]

00:22:03   give you seventy percent of $14.99 [TS]

00:22:07   you know like it's the fact that the contract for these publishers in the new [TS]

00:22:12   agency model you know forbids the retailer from changing the price you [TS]

00:22:16   know that [TS]

00:22:16   the price you said it has to be I guess the fundamental issue in the whole thing [TS]

00:22:24   is the fact that Amazon is right is such a believably different company than [TS]

00:22:34   anybody would have ever expected to exist they don't pursue profits and [TS]

00:22:40   their shareholders don't don't hold their own hair dont care there you know [TS]

00:22:46   and and I'm not even saying that doesn't make sense that there isn't a certain [TS]

00:22:49   sense to it because look at what they've done to the physical book industry right [TS]

00:22:54   they've they've not quite destroyed it but almost destroyed in borders is out [TS]

00:22:58   of business [TS]

00:22:59   Barnes and Noble is in trouble and it's the fact that this whole the whole [TS]

00:23:06   traditional wholesale retail pricing from the publisher publishers [TS]

00:23:14   perspective was built on alright we'll set a wholesale price of fifteen bucks [TS]

00:23:18   for the book will put a thing on the cover that says retail $30 and we just [TS]

00:23:23   assume that everybody we ship it to you know from booksellers to wal-mart's to [TS]

00:23:29   whoever is gonna sell it at a retail price in between 15 and 30 dollars you [TS]

00:23:34   know probably closer to 30 if they want to sell it closer to 15 go nuts but they [TS]

00:23:38   know it's going to be about 15 because if it was under 15 it's unsustainable [TS]

00:23:43   because it's a loss right and nobody can go forever selling books so nobody [TS]

00:23:47   everything except Amazon figured out a way to do that by selling enough other [TS]

00:23:52   stuff for profits to break even and so you know forever they've they've sold [TS]

00:24:01   books at a loss just so that they can dominate the industry and I don't think [TS]

00:24:05   anybody ever anticipated that a company would existed for how long as Amazon [TS]

00:24:10   been telling box probably about close to twenty years you know for fifteen 15 [TS]

00:24:14   days sixteen seventeen years [TS]

00:24:16   would continuously so however ebook at a loss to Louisville and I they just never [TS]

00:24:22   anticipated that and then I think taking that same business model te books where [TS]

00:24:32   Amazon didn't have to destroy the existing infrastructure of physical [TS]

00:24:38   booksellers borders Barnes and Nobles you know the the smaller ones that are [TS]

00:24:43   inside your malls targets in wal-marts and everywhere else for you could [TS]

00:24:48   traditionally buy books they didn't have to destroy that because the e-book [TS]

00:24:52   market was brand new and Amazon came right out of the gate and and sort of [TS]

00:24:56   established themselves as the leader ever being a pilot of the time thinking [TS]

00:25:02   of great books will be able to pay a lot less for books cuz it's just you know [TS]

00:25:10   it's just ones and zeros [TS]

00:25:13   paying basically no I don't know about that then maybe I maybe an inflation but [TS]

00:25:22   I mean paperbacks 478 bugs I just as I thought we'd get ebooks for like two [TS]

00:25:32   dollars because there is no printing costs they just sent you the MBTA you [TS]

00:25:40   would like to see author's stars [TS]

00:25:43   well I also assume that the authors weren't really getting all the money [TS]

00:25:48   anyway and I didn't care of Random House start keep sending the same amount of [TS]

00:25:54   the Opera just squeeze out random house I do think and I think that's something [TS]

00:25:58   about this ebook case for it it's it's more complicated than then I think a [TS]

00:26:05   typical case because there's a bunch of interested parties clearly there's [TS]

00:26:10   Amazon and Apple and Amazon and Apple are both fine [TS]

00:26:12   what they're both very very successful companies enabling particular doesn't [TS]

00:26:18   need ebooks they could just get out of the e-book business and it would be a [TS]

00:26:23   rounding error in their finances you know people would probably still read [TS]

00:26:30   just as many books on their iPads which dentist do it all on Kindle app probably [TS]

00:26:36   wouldn't decrease the actual reading of the box on iPad there's the publishers [TS]

00:26:44   there's authors and then of course there's consumers the readers and so [TS]

00:26:52   what I see on Twitter and in my email from people who send me feedback on my [TS]

00:26:57   coverage of the case which hasn't been extensive i mean but you know there's [TS]

00:27:03   there's there's definitely a strong contingent of the consumer side probably [TS]

00:27:09   people listening to the show right now but definitely people who read my stuff [TS]

00:27:14   whose take on it is is as simple as lower prices are better for consumers [TS]

00:27:20   period and so you know amazon selling all ebooks are trying to sell all of [TS]

00:27:26   them at the most $9.99 was great for readers and Apple's entry into the [TS]

00:27:31   market breaking that and raising a lot of e-book prices to $15 you know and and [TS]

00:27:37   an average that's now somewhere between ten and fifteen dollars is you know in [TS]

00:27:42   and of itself bad you know the market is now in worse shape than it was before [TS]

00:27:46   and so it's good that the department of justice when after Apple because this is [TS]

00:27:52   a bad thing you know there's a certain logic to that argument but i'd i'd [TS]

00:27:57   really think that the show [TS]

00:27:58   short I I think it shortsighted because I don't think it's I don't think that [TS]

00:28:02   the Amazon dominating the e-book market was gonna be good for consumers in the [TS]

00:28:07   long term right I don't and you see it there was a near Times article last [TS]

00:28:12   month about how amazon has started now finally raising prices on physical books [TS]

00:28:19   after years and years of always being the lowest you know price now the day [TS]

00:28:23   dominated so strongly and they've driven so many other competitors out of [TS]

00:28:29   business now they're starting to raise prices and I think that's almost [TS]

00:28:33   certainly what they would have done or might even still do with the e-book [TS]

00:28:36   market sunday is grow dominated so strongly that they can eventually you [TS]

00:28:41   know that everybody is dependent upon them and then they can say okay now [TS]

00:28:45   we're gonna keep selling books like I think that their long-term plan was in [TS]

00:28:50   the short term keep I need wholesale ebooks at 15:14 15 bucks element $9.99 [TS]

00:28:55   at a loss but then eventually go to the publishers and say you know we're sick [TS]

00:28:59   of selling these things that allows we're going to keep sending them to [TS]

00:29:01   people at 999 but we're only gonna give you $7 and now we're going to keep $2 of [TS]

00:29:08   it and take it or leave it and if they're selling ninety percent of all [TS]

00:29:12   the books they might have to take that I think that's the future that publishers [TS]

00:29:16   feared and I don't think that there's any reason to think that that's crazy [TS]

00:29:19   theory and i know i think thats sort of along the lines of the argument Steve [TS]

00:29:25   Jobs laid out in one of the emails that they had his evidence I think to Rupert [TS]

00:29:31   Murdoch's james Murdoch [TS]

00:29:35   they the individually published books for Apple got in there was there was [TS]

00:29:51   flipped rate newsday takes her before Apple launched the App Store [TS]

00:29:56   did they stick they take an eccentric seventy percent as opposed to 30% [TS]

00:29:59   remember what I missing something but it was something I'm assuming that it was [TS]

00:30:06   individually published book I think it was you could because you could publish [TS]

00:30:10   a book as an app on the App Store came out but now basically taking 70 percent [TS]

00:30:22   and an apple came out and they had to flip it was only taking 30 percent so it [TS]

00:30:33   doesn't yeah I mean even though their bare selling things cheaply now more [TS]

00:30:41   than ever that that always selling things deeply isn't necessarily the best [TS]

00:30:45   thing I think the App Store Apple's App Store is also an example well and I [TS]

00:30:54   think that there's a certain fundamental truth to it that it's it is ultimately [TS]

00:30:58   unsustainable I mean at some point in theory I think you know and maybe you [TS]

00:31:05   know maybe we literally talking that decades and decades long event horizon [TS]

00:31:10   Amazon can't keep selling them at a loss [TS]

00:31:13   something's gotta give you know it's unsustainable and it's all you know in [TS]

00:31:17   general I think it's better to set up a business to be sustainable right from [TS]

00:31:21   the start you know and the agency model is sustainable because it's you know [TS]

00:31:26   there's no selling at a loss involved yeah I guess I wondered what sustainable [TS]

00:31:32   means though if it had been doing it for 15 years that's a fairly long horizon [TS]

00:31:39   yeah I guess so [TS]

00:31:41   the thing that has always made me you know I'm a double-double side of the [TS]

00:31:48   argument is the fact that the authors guild I mean to say all authors [TS]

00:31:54   certainly Authors Guild doesn't speak for everybody but the authors guild was [TS]

00:31:59   strongly on Apple's side you know it was against Amazon side you know any any [TS]

00:32:03   other thing too i mean it's not even about sustainability [TS]

00:32:07   it's just sort of the it's the way that pricing is part of your branding right [TS]

00:32:13   here prices party for any product is sort of part of the brand and you know [TS]

00:32:18   the publishers were concerned about the $9.99 e-book pricing because they felt [TS]

00:32:22   like it was setting the you know the expectation in consumers minds the [TS]

00:32:26   e-books were worth a lot less than physical books and you know it's like [TS]

00:32:32   you even said a few minutes ago that maybe that is right you know you know [TS]

00:32:36   that because you're not paying for all of this paper and printing in all the [TS]

00:32:42   physical shipping in that truck loaded up with all these books to drive across [TS]

00:32:46   the country and ship these books everywhere they you should expect to pay [TS]

00:32:49   a lot less maybe but the publishers didn't like it and realized I think [TS]

00:32:55   correctly I think that the longer Amazon went selling bestsellers like brand new [TS]

00:33:00   books for $9.99 the more strongly entrenched in consumers minds it would [TS]

00:33:04   be that that's what books should cause ebooks should cost values the product is [TS]

00:33:12   almost like a control issue that they've lost they lost control over the pricing [TS]

00:33:16   of their own product which i think is frustrating and maybe they're wrong [TS]

00:33:20   maybe they're wrong about expecting to get those higher prices but I don't [TS]

00:33:24   think that they were wrong to think that they should be the ones who get the pic [TS]

00:33:27   the price for their product [TS]

00:33:29   yea certainly agree with that let's take a break we'll come back to keep on any [TS]

00:33:37   books for a little bit but [TS]

00:33:38   first bizarre coincidence truly but I want to tell you about the first fine [TS]

00:33:46   sir is tableau publishing and I they spell it ta be hello [TS]

00:33:51   no no French Eve ta BL 0 what is taboo do here's what they do they let you [TS]

00:33:59   create ebooks in the cloud and publish them with a single click [TS]

00:34:04   now in the past publishing your own ebooks is very complicated a technical [TS]

00:34:08   level first different file formats iPad uses ePub Kindle uses their own format [TS]

00:34:17   all sorts of differences between the formats different formats for different [TS]

00:34:21   devices different tricks you need to do to make it look good on different [TS]

00:34:25   devices registering ISBN numbers for each of your books because certain [TS]

00:34:30   booksellers who are going to sell books that don't have them and different [TS]

00:34:34   publishers have all sorts of different climates well here's the thing tableau [TS]

00:34:37   centralizes all of this you don't have to worry about any of it they make it [TS]

00:34:41   easy for anyone to take me to create an ebook and publish it to all the major [TS]

00:34:44   e-book stores you create your books in the cloud using any device you start [TS]

00:34:49   your text you drop in images you make your own chapter divisions and with one [TS]

00:34:54   click you can publish your books to both Amazon and the iBookstore it's really [TS]

00:34:59   easy to cut and paste your existing work so if you already have a book written or [TS]

00:35:05   a big pile blog posting when I collect into a book you just copy and paste them [TS]

00:35:11   into their web and you're off takes all the technical challenges of publishing [TS]

00:35:17   way so you can focus on writing and it's free free to create your books how do [TS]

00:35:23   you get started [TS]

00:35:24   go to tableau . I O P A B L O III 0 / the talk show they know you came here [TS]

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00:35:34   sign up today and you can start creating your own books for free when you're [TS]

00:35:37   ready to publish use the code the talk show and you'll save 10% on the [TS]

00:35:42   publishing house so you can go there check it out for free to see how it [TS]

00:35:46   works [TS]

00:35:47   take a look [TS]

00:35:48   and when you're ready to go use that code the talk show so my thanks to [TS]

00:35:54   tableau publishing for sponsoring the show kind of freaky Baresi sponsorships [TS]

00:36:00   have been booked weeks in advance and I i did not you know I didn't call judge [TS]

00:36:09   coats and say hey could do this week because I have sponsors in e-book [TS]

00:36:16   Publishing is I guess going to jail house works again that's where they got [TS]

00:36:30   it right [TS]

00:36:33   a work-release program he seems like a guy who could handle himself in jail [TS]

00:36:37   yeah it does he's doomed trends so you know ya him and Bob Mansfield would come [TS]

00:36:44   and just run the place five men already have no doubt man forced out they [TS]

00:36:55   wouldn't trade my cigarettes in trouble now I have to pay a bit to pay back [TS]

00:37:15   people who bought you know about that too I guess that you know first Apple is [TS]

00:37:23   is said there you know who knows if they're going to follow but they said [TS]

00:37:25   they're going to appeal and I guess if they do then has to come first let's [TS]

00:37:31   presume that either they don't appeal or they appealing lose then it's it's a [TS]

00:37:37   separate hearing to establish damages and and you know [TS]

00:37:41   apples can have to pay some number of million dollars [TS]

00:37:44   where does the money go though I don't know does did the government has taken [TS]

00:37:47   or is it somehow reno yeah I think you'd end up well I know it's not a class suit [TS]

00:37:53   right as a class action lawsuit [TS]

00:37:55   I don't see how they could possibly return the money to consumers I think [TS]

00:38:00   they pay the fine to the government the government keeps it right Obama said [TS]

00:38:06   that works right there en know how to get into that will the Google lives of [TS]

00:38:17   the people who made it through the sports references I guess that's how it [TS]

00:38:24   works [TS]

00:38:24   yeah I guess I mean that's what's so well Microsoft there she was different [TS]

00:38:35   they basically had to break up their products [TS]

00:38:42   fine and that was a bigger and more complicated and wider reaching case [TS]

00:38:49   because again that was that was about the fundamentals of the company I was [TS]

00:38:53   about Windows and Office I mean it was about everything that Microsoft [TS]

00:38:57   Microsoft case was truly about everything [TS]

00:39:01   fundamental to the company whereas like I said you know if the ruling were i [TS]

00:39:06   mean i dont this isn't even on the table but if the ruling where Apple is forced [TS]

00:39:10   to leave the e-book market iBookstore shutdown that would I i would have [TS]

00:39:14   almost no effect on Apple whatsoever I mean maybe that's overstating it a bit [TS]

00:39:19   but you know I think would be embarrassing certainly but certainly [TS]

00:39:24   gives its early gains Amazon will leverage yeah but the routine which [TS]

00:39:29   ultimately is bad for consumers but anyway that's not what's happening but [TS]

00:39:34   the other thing though is that it's not gonna put the genie back in the bottle [TS]

00:39:38   and switch the market back to the way it was before wholesale retail like the [TS]

00:39:43   agency models still stands between even with publishers [TS]

00:39:47   and Amazon you know I got a bunch of the publishers are guess all of the [TS]

00:39:55   publishers rather than stand without balloon fight the case all of the [TS]

00:39:58   publishers settled with the DOJ you know a year ago [TS]

00:40:01   months ago and I guess just paid fines but they didn't really have to change [TS]

00:40:06   the way they do business so is the next phase of the trial was supposed to be [TS]

00:40:17   damages but you know i think thats [TS]

00:40:20   judges is going to pick some number of you know fifty million dollars an apple [TS]

00:40:24   pays fine and you know all things gets forgotten but I i mean it I don't think [TS]

00:40:29   that from you know henceforth books are sold on the agency both both an iBook [TS]

00:40:35   store in George Street seems like you know the people who were hurt the people [TS]

00:40:45   I guess theory is also that Amazon customers were hurt by it too I guess so [TS]

00:40:51   but its money back to Amazon customers right but there's nothing like the [TS]

00:40:56   tactics were illegal you know are found to be illegal [TS]

00:41:00   you know that that the way that Apple to all of them and said hey everybody else [TS]

00:41:04   is on board we want you on board to that's what he let me just like you said [TS]

00:41:08   before the agency model itself there's nothing illegal about it i mean nobody's [TS]

00:41:11   complaining or saying that the app stores in any way you know price fixing [TS]

00:41:16   it was the collusion between the publishers to all do this it ones and [TS]

00:41:23   Apple as the coordinator of that maybe facilitator is the better word because [TS]

00:41:29   they were gonna add you know open this high-profile store where the very good [TS]

00:41:32   start [TS]

00:41:39   so we are paid less in taxes next year [TS]

00:41:43   yeah exactly tax-cut thanks to my new macbook 13 MacBooks for long so I guess [TS]

00:42:01   there's anything else on ebook thing we should maybe we talked about the other [TS]

00:42:07   big suit that's coming up is that the only reason to see if I can find the [TS]

00:42:14   Apple should protect me from my porn addiction is a big case I love to hear [TS]

00:42:25   about it a Florida man is so this is above the law which I guess is a law is [TS]

00:42:39   suing Apple for millions because he couldn't be bothered to figure out how [TS]

00:42:42   iTunes works he is complaining that Apple products should ship with [TS]

00:42:48   basically the child protection on so that people cannot accidentally visit [TS]

00:42:54   porn sites because he accidentally visited porn sites and it ruined his [TS]

00:43:00   marriage accidentally yes accidentally [TS]

00:43:04   apparently taped in instead of Facebook popular porn sites I'll say it also [TS]

00:43:12   starting with F and ending with book alright that's a good way to put it [TS]

00:43:18   accidentally you know how that happens [TS]

00:43:27   yeah that's what I does swear words were you were gonna put in regular words so [TS]

00:43:35   we wound up at fbook dot com and there's life went to hell right and clearly [TS]

00:43:41   marriage his marriage was ruined because it couldn't stop looking at naked ladies [TS]

00:43:48   defective a defective MacBook they can't just quickly stopped showing him he was [TS]

00:43:55   asking it to show up and the complaint is written so great i mean it's a [TS]

00:44:05   terrible thing but the bits that are quoted in this piece or just seroquel [TS]

00:44:11   that that's a court case I can get I yeah I'm looking forward to this I hope [TS]

00:44:16   this goes to trial [TS]

00:44:17   don't think you will want to get I want to see Phil Schiller on as human beings [TS]

00:44:26   themselves Apple employees know that a man is born full of harmonies and [TS]

00:44:31   attacks attacked two by women engaging in sexual acts with the intent to cause [TS]

00:44:38   vicarious arousal direct quote from the from the lawsuit I gotta feeling that [TS]

00:44:45   this guy I gotta feeling this game I need a better lawyer than himself I like [TS]

00:44:53   this is really a lawyer and and also also he has his own band name of yeah [TS]

00:45:03   and they say I looked it up earlier host warriors [TS]

00:45:18   here's my favorite part of his his lawsuit is the the unfair competition [TS]

00:45:22   close and you know he's got a point now Apple's already just you know two days [TS]

00:45:28   ago been found guilty of unfair competition so I think he's got a case [TS]

00:45:31   here [TS]

00:45:31   unfair competition and interference of the marital contract plaintiff became [TS]

00:45:37   totally out of sync and his romantic relationship with his wife which was a [TS]

00:45:42   consequence of his use of his Apple product I mean I'd write stop that all [TS]

00:45:48   the rest of it there you go that's it there's your case he got out of sync [TS]

00:45:54   with his wife he also claims that if this is help help the actually help the [TS]

00:46:09   porn industry if Apple is so because it will be an unregulated internet partner [TS]

00:46:21   and is hurting brick and mortar or a mom-and-pop mom it is the guy from above [TS]

00:46:33   the law [TS]

00:46:33   first of all mom-and-pop shops gonna be is going into the pantheon of greatest [TS]

00:46:38   phrases in legal completely like this part of the point of began desiring [TS]

00:46:44   younger more beautiful girls featured in porn videos then his wife who was no [TS]

00:46:49   longer 21 his failed marriage caused the plane of two experienced emotional [TS]

00:46:57   distress to the point of hospitalization plaintiff could no longer tell the [TS]

00:47:03   difference between internet pornography and dependable intercourse do the [TS]

00:47:08   content be accessed through the Apple products you couldn't tell the [TS]

00:47:12   difference if you can't tell the difference you may be doing it wrong [TS]

00:47:16   am i screwing my wife at this or am I looking for no I can't tell nobody had a [TS]

00:47:25   red and it was yeah it's got it because the pixels would have been a dead [TS]

00:47:30   giveaway that's right it would have been a dead giveaway so we'll look forward to [TS]

00:47:38   more about that well and that coincidentally enough leads us directly [TS]

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00:48:42   is nice to nice design site they've got great products of clever stuff they've [TS]

00:48:46   got a dog bowl designed to make dogs eat slower cuz I've seen dogs I don't know [TS]

00:48:51   but you got a dog but there are some dogs who who are sort of pathological [TS]

00:48:56   about food and and will try to eat at all it wants yes my dog grown now he [TS]

00:49:02   goes through no I mean my dog growing up was sort of like that like he he was [TS]

00:49:06   sort of like Great Depression dog there are like that [TS]

00:49:11   he would try to eat and terrible food once where they've got a ball that can [TS]

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00:49:18   this is great they've gotta poop bag that shaped like a mitten for easy pick [TS]

00:49:21   up isn't that great now that you know if your this is a city dweller you know [TS]

00:49:30   what to do with the poop is a serious issue for civilized people here I [TS]

00:49:34   guarantee you I would be appalled if there is anybody out there who listens [TS]

00:49:38   to this talk show who's one of those dirtbags who takes her dog out and let's [TS]

00:49:42   improve and it looks you know does like a left right and if nobody's looking [TS]

00:49:46   just walks away and leaves it there because you know you're that's the scum [TS]

00:49:49   of the earth right there [TS]

00:49:50   yes everybody listen to this show civilized you pick up the poop but how [TS]

00:49:53   do you pick up they've got a great they've gotta poop in there you go [TS]

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00:50:13   for this show because the show in general has nothing to do with dogs I [TS]

00:50:19   don't generally linked to dog related stuff but my audience I would think is [TS]

00:50:25   defined by people who have good taste in like the nicer things and so those of [TS]

00:50:30   you who have dogs I this stuff is is right up your alley [TS]

00:50:34   it's like almost like the canonical [TS]

00:50:38   this is amazing well you know it's tough we have to buy any way except for the [TS]

00:50:47   probably the codes and stuff like that but the poop bags I mean we have to buy [TS]

00:50:51   the food bags anyway I also like the day just call it poop and you have her over [TS]

00:50:57   the thing that says Cebu [TS]

00:51:01   and it's it's also I would just further say and and to me it just speaks to the [TS]

00:51:06   design quality of their products are eight implies it the website is just too [TS]

00:51:11   lovely I think it's a terrific terrific website yeah I have an internet famous [TS]

00:51:21   poodle and I do know that know your your pool is not yea big 85 pounds eats so [TS]

00:51:37   maybe he can slim down a little bit big as well as barely a little bit little [TS]

00:51:42   bit overweight but big ass pool is is one of my favorite dog breeds it really [TS]

00:51:48   is I i mean it since I did she get the big ass proof that the technical name [TS]

00:51:55   for that breed each as far as I'm concerned there's the miniature poodle [TS]

00:52:00   standard is what it is actually there's you know but that's so standard is the [TS]

00:52:06   big one [TS]

00:52:06   yeah standards the big one yeah that's what see but I would you think the [TS]

00:52:10   standard be like the middle high one that is because thats miniature and then [TS]

00:52:17   the small and dirty cup teacup that's the one where like that shakes all the [TS]

00:52:23   time and that they will see like girls who put him in there person just walk [TS]

00:52:27   around town centre [TS]

00:52:29   your your dog what you don't seem grants grant that's a good dog so grant [TS]

00:52:34   probably does not fit in a purse no person fit in anything [TS]

00:52:44   she gonna car he's already doesn't like he's not crazy about the car but he [TS]

00:52:50   wants to go wherever we go so if we're going to the car he wants to go get my [TS]

00:52:54   car gets used to get car sick when he was little when he was younger and he's [TS]

00:52:58   he's better about it now he doesn't really get that sick but he's not crazy [TS]

00:53:01   but the car he doesn't he doesn't stick his head out the window [TS]

00:53:05   my dog grown-up Chester he he he was ahead sticker under the stick his head [TS]

00:53:11   out the window just not for it just any even if the window isn't even open a [TS]

00:53:15   crack you would like me to make this thing go down on a stick my head out the [TS]

00:53:20   window fell out the window down the road [TS]

00:53:25   yea well fortunately my brother was on a leash and he basically just we were [TS]

00:53:32   driving she's a small west highland terrier and and he just like we're [TS]

00:53:37   driving along and he was like hanging on at least she's hanging there by the [TS]

00:53:41   leash like show DVDs so she was alright so she was fine nothing happened just [TS]

00:53:51   before setting up maybe they forgot about that after allowing them to put [TS]

00:53:58   some kind of SPCA warning no dogs were harmed in the making of this grant know [TS]

00:54:06   when you're taking him to the vet know my dog growing well actually I think he [TS]

00:54:12   probably does when we get close [TS]

00:54:14   ouija we could see knows he recognizes places we get close to them we would [TS]

00:54:19   take to Chester Chester was my best we could determine it was probably about [TS]

00:54:27   three-quarters pool hall and maybe like one quarter Pekingese or something like [TS]

00:54:31   that but looked the curly hair but physically looked a lot like a pool was [TS]

00:54:38   closed but he is likely to take him a lot of places to come to shopping and [TS]

00:54:43   window [TS]

00:54:45   but he would spend a lot of time you know so we took a lot of places in the [TS]

00:54:48   car he got a car couple times a week when we took him to the vet he knew [TS]

00:54:53   before we even left that he just knew he knew and he would go like rigidly [TS]

00:55:00   carpet and I could make you pick them up [TS]

00:55:04   supposed to like if you know something you know you just open a door near under [TS]

00:55:08   the car he knew you could maybe you could smell an idea I don't know [TS]

00:55:12   something about that always amazed me [TS]

00:55:15   yeah amazing how much the user knows it's just talk to him and his sister [TS]

00:55:20   just like smelling like trying to figure out what what's going on as you can tell [TS]

00:55:26   how I feel about going to the dentist how you feel about going to the airport [TS]

00:55:35   yeah but yes it is actually exactly can we are you comfortable talking the talk [TS]

00:55:42   about that I'm not comfortable talking about but we can talk about it in the [TS]

00:55:45   plane that crashed at SFO a week ago was about a week ago yeah yeah it's almost [TS]

00:55:52   exactly a week ago it was easy ana which I had never heard of before and after I [TS]

00:55:59   was I thought it was the airline lost its so amazing is that was she an [TS]

00:56:04   Oceania Oceania Oceania airlines Shiamak oceanic [TS]

00:56:08   be close enough yeah and I'm gonna make light of this a little bit I'd really [TS]

00:56:13   don't I do not mean to make light of the the two teenagers from China who died on [TS]

00:56:19   the flight many of the people who did have some luck on the plane actually [TS]

00:56:24   crashed it was a crash there was fire the tail ripped off the plane and have [TS]

00:56:30   like three hundred and three people on the plane only two people died which to [TS]

00:56:34   me is amazing [TS]

00:56:34   yeah yeah I mean you know someone who is uncomfortable flying it's actually you [TS]

00:56:42   know it's terrible but it's also because my my image is always just like the [TS]

00:56:46   whole everything goes right yeah everything reduced to dust [TS]

00:56:53   it's heartbreaking to think of the girls who died and I don't mean to make light [TS]

00:57:01   of that and some people who had to go to the hospital for varying degrees of [TS]

00:57:06   injuries lot of people you know neck injuries and back injuries from the [TS]

00:57:10   bouncing up and down and I guess even with seat belt a lot of people hit their [TS]

00:57:14   heads on the overhead think well I guess you can I mean well depends on how tight [TS]

00:57:22   you to see what did you see the video so there is a guy now I avoided any who was [TS]

00:57:33   just you know I forget how far away he was from from the airport but not too [TS]

00:57:37   far you know had a good view of the runways was there with his family on a [TS]

00:57:40   trip like his kids in the camera they were just watching planes land and he [TS]

00:57:45   had his camera you know right there and saw the plane the whole thing it's kind [TS]

00:57:52   of amazing footage but it did it like hit you know I guess that happens a [TS]

00:57:59   plane was coming in way too soon and was gonna hit the water before the pilot [TS]

00:58:03   realized it and tried to pull up but it was too late to pull out but that's why [TS]

00:58:07   the plane hit tail first pilot had the nose runny nose pointing up to try to [TS]

00:58:13   get back up in the air but it was too late and so it it tell first in the tail [TS]

00:58:18   broke off whole plane hit the ground and then bounced up in the air and then came [TS]

00:58:25   back down and skidded to a halt but I guess when it bounced a lot of people [TS]

00:58:28   went up in it there had some people are but there were also a couple hundred and [TS]

00:58:33   some people were like a hundred and sixty people who walked away unscathed [TS]

00:58:36   right on Twitter it's amazing the sky David I make pronounces your name wrong [TS]

00:58:43   you see you when David Eun you know and it seemed to work for Samsung was he was [TS]

00:58:56   the first guy that the picture he posted on Twitter that I don't know just yet I [TS]

00:59:01   just crash-landed I just crash landed at SFO [TS]

00:59:07   tell ripped off its a path link yeah most like the picture everyone seems [TS]

00:59:11   most everyone I work for Samsung think so but he is Korean maybe he does but [TS]

00:59:19   the second reply to rumors from a friend of the show [TS]

00:59:24   frequent guest dan Frommer who's to say holy shit glad you're okay but it's you [TS]

00:59:29   know he took the picture like I don't know maybe fifty feet after he got out [TS]

00:59:33   of the airplane but he's fine but here's the thing that you follow the rest of [TS]

00:59:38   his treats then and you see that he didn't leave SFO for like another seven [TS]

00:59:44   hours and that this is the part I wanted to bring up I feel like if I'm on a [TS]

00:59:50   plane crashes and I'm lucky enough that I am ok well I just wanna go six or [TS]

00:59:59   seven hours let me get my walked off let me just going to go have dinner right [TS]

01:00:05   drink right when I have a drink [TS]

01:00:09   yeah I assume they they they want to interview him I can you probably know [TS]

01:00:14   like any accident you want to make sure I mean maybe have somebody checking out [TS]

01:00:18   of a meeting to go to a doctor but I can do it I feel alright you know is that [TS]

01:00:24   absurd that I just feel I am I saying expected immediately go i mean clearly [TS]

01:00:27   and pick up here but I would you know I feel like an hour at the most I feel [TS]

01:00:35   like you know take my name down sure that you are having to fight you know [TS]

01:00:40   list you know put mark me down as being OK and you know and I know it seems like [TS]

01:00:50   there would be paperwork I guess but it seems like six or seven hours of [TS]

01:00:54   paperwork is asking a lot airport everything takes longer to reply I guess [TS]

01:01:02   I would be ok you probably have to fill out some certainly can't even imagine [TS]

01:01:10   as all other luggage is probably the burned after that well in the luggage [TS]

01:01:18   goes on the bottom right so you have to presume that that just got destroyed by [TS]

01:01:23   the friction and that's the plan is it didn't go on the wheels it to slit I [TS]

01:01:28   would I would guess that luggage that was underneath was pretty much toast for [TS]

01:01:32   you probably stuck in a while back but maybe the overhead bags the stuff you [TS]

01:01:35   put over your seat might have been right now and I guess that's the other thing [TS]

01:01:42   too though I would want I would want it you know once you get the fire out can I [TS]

01:01:46   get in there and get my over head back that asking too much of my name is you [TS]

01:01:52   know you're the ones who crashed the fuck an airplane to let me get my bag [TS]

01:01:56   and let me get on you know get on with my trip but you probably thought of this [TS]

01:02:01   right [TS]

01:02:01   have you ever thought about this I mean I think about it every time it's just [TS]

01:02:05   the FB fly over the water and then you see a bunch of rocks and then there's [TS]

01:02:10   the there's the runway right yeah and everyone you know every time I find I [TS]

01:02:15   think wow it's kind of amazing that they pull this off all the time [TS]

01:02:23   think like every once in a while someone would just guess so I don't know that [TS]

01:02:33   does seem you know again now I'm not making light of it seems it seems like [TS]

01:02:38   it was pilot error to see you know it doesn't seem like yeah that's what's [TS]

01:02:41   that's what that's what I guess it's the sort of thing they weren't going fast [TS]

01:02:45   enough to go on like a hundred and thirty heard and it made it clear that's [TS]

01:02:52   it [TS]

01:02:53   CTEK there's there's a lot more land in front of the it still raised sort of [TS]

01:03:00   plateau to fly over a bunch of others wrote in it raised in a climbs up but [TS]

01:03:09   they're still before you see the actual runway I think there's a lot more dirt [TS]

01:03:16   short you probably just get on it seems to have really long [TS]

01:03:20   runways because I don't really even recall seeing the beginning or end of a [TS]

01:03:24   runway it seems like we're already landing in the middle of it and already [TS]

01:03:28   you know taking off always in the middle of it I i dont maybe I'm wrong but I [TS]

01:03:32   think we have a very long runways the one airport I've been to that I am NOT I [TS]

01:03:39   have had you on we talked about your uncomfortable yes like anxiety I'm not [TS]

01:03:45   I'm not nervous flyer said that before but the one airport into that have to [TS]

01:03:50   say made me a little nervous is Wellington New Zealand yeah unbelievably [TS]

01:03:57   short runway at the runways about 30 feet long commercial airliners and you [TS]

01:04:05   don't know that when you're landing like the first time you go and I'm not you [TS]

01:04:09   know I don't like stare out the window while we're planning on using it anyway [TS]

01:04:14   but we took a high tech web stock and went to the mountain that looks at you [TS]

01:04:21   can look right down over the airport and its like shockingly short runway and [TS]

01:04:27   that made me a little nervous about this taken off the next time really seems [TS]

01:04:32   like you got it back up to the last inch and in really gunned it and then you [TS]

01:04:37   don't take off like the plane doesn't take off until he gets to the end of the [TS]

01:04:39   runway seems like like a white you get like one shot my brother landed on [TS]

01:04:46   aircraft carrier once I'm that crazy that when you think about it he says he [TS]

01:04:51   does military military expert at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey [TS]

01:04:58   and occasional in the past is gone on to these ships to do talks officers so yeah [TS]

01:05:08   yeah so he stopping his he'd you you basically just get use to a stop the [TS]

01:05:19   only way it works is with those like bungee cords right yeah you gonna hook [TS]

01:05:23   launching and landing [TS]

01:05:29   tell her both to land and there's like something I think [TS]

01:05:33   something like a slingshot yeah yeah but the distal get the plane to stop it's [TS]

01:05:41   almost like flying into a net right here is the other part about this that I i [TS]

01:05:47   this would make me very very nervous have to say even as it generally not [TS]

01:05:53   nervous fires the fact and I think about it makes intuitive sense cuz they [TS]

01:05:56   investigate the hell out of these things to fight you know they're going to [TS]

01:05:59   investigate every single detail of the plane is that that the plane I don't [TS]

01:06:03   know if it is as we speak but as of yesterday or the day before was still [TS]

01:06:07   there on the runway at SFO the burned-out hulk of the crash plane [TS]

01:06:13   because you know the FAA investigators were still going over it it's like a [TS]

01:06:18   crime scene almost like you can't can't move in [TS]

01:06:21   yeah and so like you know there's all sorts of tweets from people who are like [TS]

01:06:26   freaked out because they're like to their plane is taxiing around to take [TS]

01:06:30   off and it's going around crashed airplane like I have to admit that that [TS]

01:06:35   would that's really freaky that's a disturbing ya [TS]

01:06:39   a flat at Tokyo and Simon and we got held up for just a few minutes and they [TS]

01:06:44   said they came out and said we're gonna be here for just a minute while they [TS]

01:06:49   clear some debris off the runway and I look out the window and I see these [TS]

01:06:56   chips these days in jumpsuits with hardhats on Dragon a big piece of sheet [TS]

01:07:01   metal and apparently on takeoff the plane in front of us just like dropped [TS]

01:07:06   piece just fell off and then they turned around and came back with us so that was [TS]

01:07:14   the first thing I saw before the 11 hours flight so my wife [TS]

01:07:24   amy is like you nervous fire very nervous and she was when this happen [TS]

01:07:30   plane crash happened she was very keenly following the breaking news but I think [TS]

01:07:34   also like you like she was a following a breaking news but like not like looking [TS]

01:07:39   at the pictures look at the pictures 1 watch the video but keenly observed in [TS]

01:07:49   this mid makes her a flight anxiety like now that there's been a crash like the [TS]

01:07:56   fact that like I said what is great because this is like the first it's been [TS]

01:08:00   like four and a half years since there is like the longest stretch in the [TS]

01:08:03   history of the united states without a commercial air for airlines yeah which [TS]

01:08:08   really is amazing right and only two people died in like the you know it's [TS]

01:08:15   more safe than ever before [TS]

01:08:18   almost dramatically so doesn't reassure you and she was like knows a lot more [TS]

01:08:23   reassuring than it was when I had years when it happened [TS]

01:08:27   yeah yeah I mean for me it's kind of a six and one half because it's in a way [TS]

01:08:34   because my face my fears just like the whole thing goes so it's kind of like [TS]

01:08:40   well you know sometimes you have an accident and that doesn't happen but at [TS]

01:08:45   the same time enough for you like it almost like a like a wily coyote type [TS]

01:08:52   thing or maybe like the only reason that these planes can fly is that we think [TS]

01:08:59   they can play and eventually the laws of physics are gonna catch up in the middle [TS]

01:09:03   of a flight the laws of physics are going to say hey a gigantic bucked hey [TS]

01:09:09   look at look down [TS]

01:09:10   yeah exactly as always when which is always when the cartoon character falls [TS]

01:09:14   out of the sky is when they looked down and noticed that there [TS]

01:09:17   hundred ton tube of aluminum can't fly yeah yeah it's really adds makes any [TS]

01:09:26   sense in the fight against my fear is mid-flight my fear is always like [TS]

01:09:30   turbulence I know which is really usually not the problem it's always it's [TS]

01:09:35   always take off [TS]

01:09:37   and particularly landing might actually be using I took a flying lesson just to [TS]

01:09:41   try to help myself and the guys around a little plane for a while and he let me [TS]

01:09:47   fly in flying and flying through the air as through the air was nothing nothing [TS]

01:09:55   up there i mean you know you're just flying through the area just got to keep [TS]

01:09:59   it level and you fly landing that the hard part and and even by taking office [TS]

01:10:05   just going up it's easier to go up to bring it down without smashing into the [TS]

01:10:09   ground flying helicopters is apparently difficult that's hard [TS]

01:10:13   yeah but flying an airplane is parent jetpacks jetpacks earlier I did you see [TS]

01:10:20   that they did these guys had won a challenge to create a human-powered [TS]

01:10:27   helicopter you know I saw a tweet about it but didn't follow it what was it I [TS]

01:10:35   saw it didn't look at it closely but I thought that was pretty cool sort of [TS]

01:10:42   kind of thing that first dreamed of seeing that human powered helicopter [TS]

01:10:56   finally take Sikorsky prize yeah like imagine this from the photo in the North [TS]

01:11:08   an enormous device it's big it's like the way the wings are like the size of a [TS]

01:11:17   commercial airliner that's a [TS]

01:11:21   you get to be a bit to park these things it is [TS]

01:11:28   baseball and and flying yeah I think that's it I think I don't think I have [TS]

01:11:56   any more really uncomfortable topics if you want to do that's what we're trying [TS]

01:12:02   to touch you know i think thats horrible and dog food don't forget the dog and my [TS]

01:12:08   crippling fear of dog poop [TS]