00:00:00 ◼ ► so we got a very special episode of the talk show this week I'm here and Denver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► Colorado at Chateau whiskers with with my Q branch colleagues Brent Simmons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► a viscous hi David first time on the show rain ya been spent online on times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► once it was a great show thanks I was a live person I thought you were on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/18">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► remote well possibly should have been on the show so we're recording on Thursday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/26">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► the week of the iPhone event and I think the show program out tomorrow it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/34">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► time people listen to this day still won't be able to get a new iPhone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/40">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► and I was 71 isn't quite as gonna come out next week right so might as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/44">TS</a>]
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00:00:58 ◼ ► because I think you know that it's going GMI think that means the NDA's I burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/58">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► up or something I think I tell it works well the very least almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► that we would want to talk about his stuff that people know now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► it it's not a stretch to say that we want to talk about the status bar right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/73">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► we've all seen as we all know I can't imagine that would even if that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/81">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► under NDA it's been shown up correct among some first the news so actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/86">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► you know for a big week of the Big Apple week I think the news relatively simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► to new phones five see is really just the iPhone 5 with a new case cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/98">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► confusing it with the other cases I would say colorful candy show and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/107">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► five a switch is the new top of the line iPhone and of course you know as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/113">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Apple announced to stuff the stock dropped $26 five plus 5% today and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► thing that gets me about that and I would love to get your guys opinion this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► is the thing that gets me about that is that by almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► want everything that was announced all of those things 25 °c colorful candy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► shells the 5s fingerprint sensor that was all the rumors were spot on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/137">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► shouldn't the stock market have had like no reaction because it was exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► everybody expected this isn't based on logic or reason there are eight people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► learn that the market isn't responding based on what Apple has actually done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► they're responding to the magical things that Apple was supposed to have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► somehow yeah there was supposed to be something beyond the rumors if it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► out that while we expect is true then right at the start but it's the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/167">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► punishing Apple for not surprising and delighting them right there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/175">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► there's nothing else to it I'm trying to stick to a you know an end I go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/182">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► forth on this but I'm trying to stick to a don't feed the trolls strategy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► week in terms of the Jackass jury that people have opposed to end and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► even saying that you can't be there isn't a sensible logical defendable hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/196">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► this is kind of a disappointing week for a poor you know argument you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/201">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► but did the things i'm talking bout of the art articles that are saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/205">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► you know the dance noting that this is a disaster that the five siege be $200 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/209">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► know off contract and that they are doomed because I don't know somethin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► somethin China so I'm trying not to link to those because I think a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/220">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► are really are just purposefully written to get that sort of pageview traffic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/226">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► that I'm going to say Apple is doomed and I know that people are gonna like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► me only to disagree but there's still some training Fisher out here on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/235">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► phone there are still some forms and forbes is kind of turning into a click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/244">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► big factory but there was a guy forms to today's posted an article that seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► argued that that Tim Cook it's already too late that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/255">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► ruined apple and then it's probably too late friend even save his job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► ruined Apple uses that's not that's not just a dumb thing to say that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► hyperbolic yeah I'd even take that seriously I really do think that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/269">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► time goes on you know exactly well maybe not quite exactly it may be months or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► somebody's about two years in Steve Jobs died and the the Apple can't function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/281">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► without Steve Jobs mindset it's like there's no dissuading them from that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/289">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► doesn't matter what happens and it's just it's getting worse and I think part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/296">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► of it too is that people seem to like in their minds they think that when steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Jobs was alive every new iPhone you know just as amazing as the ignoring the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/305">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► that we had these exact same conversations year after year except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► that they didn't have the Apple Steve Jobs part that read it was just Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/315">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► sometimes it was Apple's doomed because of Steve Jobs has Steve lost his touch I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/319">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► did a few Google right now as he lost his touch in a final example of articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/324">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► from before Steve died about and talk about the cube or yeah with the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► for me i i would bet I'd bet that at least one of those was written within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► months of him dying remember how much disappointment was when the iPad was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► released products the blow back in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► yeah but also that absolutely no look what it did yeah well my favorite I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/346">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► said this before about it was sure it was even said this public pleas were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/355">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► aware that that's like one of the best examples of it because there was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► these critics who say you know media people who streamed out of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► introduction said Matt just a big iPod Touch and all round the world there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► millions of people who can't wait to buy one because oh cool its a big hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/371">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► and especially because it's a big iPhone like and I know how to use my iPhone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► I i cures a new piece of technology that I know that I will be able to use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► enjoy I don't already know how to use it right and I think that's that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/387">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► example so much of Apple's success with fostering that kind of love is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/392">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► of the way they approach their products and so much of it is people are afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/399">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► of technology but with Apple products they feel simple they feel easier to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► they feel familiar and the has Apple lost its touch is this team should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/406">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► fired all of these things they expect these big iPhone moments when you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► staging here's the thing is gonna change your life when that's not really what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► Apple does sometimes they do that but it's not because that's their goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► because that's just kind of a natural byproduct of of cycling and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/424">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► think there's any way they can get out of there really is nothing they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► there's died in the game I wanna play and we we talked about this before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► started recording but what could Apple have announced this week regarding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► iPhone that would have satisfied these people I really can't think of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► then one thing that obviously pops up they could have done a bigger screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/448">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► iPhone and I think all of these same people would have just said well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► they've just caught up to where the competition last two years I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/455">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► if they had announced big surprise hey the 5s comes in two sizes for engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/459">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► five-inch which obviously would satisfy some people I don't think it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/463">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► eliminated any of this this was a bad week for Apple and I can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/468">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► anything else that they could have done that is actually like realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/472">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► the anti-family argument is always been why does Apple act like they invented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► the mp3 player they didn't invent what's the big deal along those same lines what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/480">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► can you do to too surprised or or to do what what steps did you take that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/490">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► be inventing something is inventing something the only logical argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► right and and yet they then they could have come out with the most amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► thing ever and you know a whole brand new unexpected product a whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► category and people would have been down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► if they had come out with a watch more than there are people saying well yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/508">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► like Apple invented the watch the watch thing is one of those things where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/513">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► think everybody just I want Apple to do something new in a new category and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/518">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► somebody said they're gonna do watch watch their it is and in the day they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/523">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► are truly something that's probably not a watch but maybe it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► you strap on your wrist at that moment all of the people who have been saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► that they're already late to the game should have released their gonna sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► down and quick do the math and figure out whether watch only cost 200 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► and so if like half of all the people who bought an iPhone by one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► watches in the next two years that's only like two billion dollars that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/544">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► nothing you know and it's just an accessory why they do this and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/548">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► hey did you know the opportunity to sell $800 devices to you know 300 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/554">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► people around the world just doesn't doesn't happen all the time in the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► cannot caused $100 clearly the only thing I could think of the day would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/565">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► have done that would have modified the people who are adamant that Apple is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/571">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► not just like a little bit off but like like I said like ruined companies shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► of its former self is it is said to have announced that the five Si was truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/582">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► cheap that the sea stood for cheap and you could buy one you don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/588">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► cost of an iPod Touch $229.00 or something like that off contract which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/591">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► in hindsight would have been i think really stupid move for Apple that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► that's not what I pulled out right now they're not the cheap company right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► opposite in every single way quality she is never gonna step right and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/606">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► they do I think that what they're done is they've slowly in this annual cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► bike expanded the pricing by like one not so now for $100 last year you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/619">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► buy the year old for us $400 less than the brand new now at that same price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► $100 less you can get a brand new phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and you could if you want spend another $100 and get a 32 gigabyte version of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/635">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► so it's nicer like the mid tier of iPhone lineup is now a nice yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► wouldn't say the expanded by not more that they acknowledged that not as its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► own product category interment began treating it that way instead of into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► hand-me-down last year's it's it's the last year's hardware but wrapped up in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► different packaging is being treated the same way that the iPod touch has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► true that's it's the fun quirky exciting version for kids I think there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/661">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► has to be Apple like really understanding how they aren't there an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/666">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► international company and selling to a lot of places besides just Canada right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/670">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► you know and the way they the way they look at overseas markets has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/675">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► certain very in-depth very interesting I would love to be inside the company to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/684">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► know more about that that all had to go into the fight see ya I you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/690">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► they still have you know even with two new models they have far fewer phone as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/696">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► KU's than any of their competition but it's actually the those two phones cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/701">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► I think a pretty wide gamut of the high end of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/706">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► you know there's the 5s which still has that premium metal finish and then 25 C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/711">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► which is way more like a fun design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/717">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► fund that's an interesting word it seems almost like they've acknowledged that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► that that category that price category is for gets this is this is the younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► people teenagers and younger who buy phones are one they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► less money to spend on them probably and so why not appeal to them why not make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/736">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► them ensuring well and I think it gets to a promising to is I would bet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► it's the sort of thing they don't really break down even though they give a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/745">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► of numbers in their quarterly things too but they pretty much just say here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► many iPhones we sold and here is the average selling price and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► kind of you know the average selling price and amount of phones sold in kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► of figure out you know how many of them Ryan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► lol but you don't get a lot of color in between countries but I'll bet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/761">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► different countries they're gonna sell and extremely different proportions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► not based on like economics but just on culture show you know that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/771">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► like I think everybody everybody seems to think with the gold one is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/778">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► sell really well in asia because it's sort of a status I'm and I think that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/781">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► other late maybe more practical countries that five she is gonna sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► better and you know I've also read though that in America and Europe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/791">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► know neutrals blacks grays Browns tend to be quite popular in China India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/797">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► developing nations brighter colors are often are often loved so it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/805">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► surprise that would be a product perhaps geared toward developing nations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/811">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► colors and costs that's an interesting take I wouldn't have even really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/817">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► along those lines I see it as a demographics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/823">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► it's certainly good news for Apple of both of these things are true that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► changes in the USA and to everyone in Asia right well our day or haven't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/830">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► just got on to China's biggest carrier no they haven't got on that was that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► one of the things that is that's a real thing that if they had announced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► would have been there's a lot of people who would have seen that is better news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and news China Mobile and there were a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► rumors that they were going to and I guess they're still rumors that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► still in talks but didn't happen yet and i know i think you know this is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► boring but there's issues with china mobile with the specific bands that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/861">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► required to operate its you know because it is china mobile they they can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► their own weird you know sort of like rising used to be in Aus have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/872">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► special phone for China Mobile but I guess the both phones would work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► china mobile so that Scott everybody thinking that maybe you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► they're closin at these phones will be on china mobile within the year because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► well if so then that's awfully good news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► and that is one of the technical things that is different and better with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► five see versus the old 55 from a year ago is that the works on way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/897">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► cellular networks around the world one SKU so along the same point so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/903">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► one of the most interesting marketing things today announced with these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► funds is that there's two of them at the exact same price point of $199 it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/914">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► to be that the midrange and lower range when they saw the year old phone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► midrange and two-year-old at lower range did you don't have any storage options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► for those who got eight gigs in the low end and 16 gigs in the middle rounds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► get the five whereas now they have to have a 16 and a 32 gigabyte five see so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/934">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► the 32 gigabyte five see is under 99 and the 16 Gigabyte 5s is 199 and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► you know they've never had that sort of overlap with the previous strategy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► really torn at trying to guess which 199 iPhone is gonna sell better I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/952">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► don't know what to guess what do you guys think you know I can I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► might be to see an end just because it seems really fun I'm kind of tempted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/965">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► get one just cuz I'd like to pick color you know there's something refreshing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/971">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► about them I would also guess the sea again because of the appeal to teenagers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► it's not just the colors though I think it'd be the building materials the dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► there is interesting having plastic versus the middle and I haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/986">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► when I don't know is that Decker it is a little bit surprised or so it can almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/992">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► feel like I mean they make those cases but you don't looks like you would need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► two cases it has the case built-in difference from the 50 S and 25 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► four before it it feels more like it's it's own self-contained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► I think so I mean I but I don't use a case with my iPhone 5 either and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► never used the case with any my iPhones but I realize now more and more that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► clearly in the minority regard that that the sell-through on cases is just off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► the charts yes I'll be Lady Dior 90% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► look at the phones for people who don't have to give up their mind something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► Gabbert you and I have a handle these things will be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► i think is a case my phone is pristine but withdrew definitely in the minority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► on that here's what I think I'm with you where I think that the five CD and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► to play with him in the hands on here and help them totally agree that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► feels like even I wouldn't get a case for the five of the five ass but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► the five CIB even less likely to get a case it feels like it is a case exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and I'll bet eighty or ninety percent of people biamby case for it only seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► like that's why Apple made that stupid looking case for it with the holes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► the back I definitely think so i think that they've had you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► why they didn't come out with a bumper last year like so two years ago when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► they came out when I guess it was three years ago when they did the box because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► it was when I read you know they gave the bumpers out for the antenna seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► like forever ago does seem like forever ago and I guess they haven't done cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► since although they kept the bumpers around for the four US I had a bumper on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► my for us I loved it and then came out in November I didn't ever get a case for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► it I was happier I was cathartic I let go I but I don't you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► observation only just looking like it people in airports and coffee shops and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► stuff like that doesn't seem like those bumpers never really took off I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► it's something I never saw them but they were not as popular like people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► want to protect the phone or at least they think they do when they buy case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► they want you know their argument was hey we made the back row beautiful so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► made a case that's just a bumper to show it off and I feel like the mass market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► well they certainly had a bunch of them in the stores and seemed like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► colors were always so that knows about to argue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► that everyone I knew had a 44 has had a bumper on it but that might be nerds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► I think you know I think they got into the bumper business because they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► the how many people buy them and it's just like you know like a free extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► $29.00 price funds sold for something makes 45 cents to me probably and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► wanted in on that money rather than just the you know whatever however much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► they make some third-party cases in the Apple Store an apple online and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► like this year is the year that they finally like ok this case thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► going to go away we kind of guy I really think that johnnie I've kinda hates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► everybody wraps his phone cases where they feel like they're they're like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► you're gonna wrap it in the case we want you to buy our case will look at it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► did you see one with the case honored if you look at the pictures the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► covers up the logo looks like it is non yeah I Matthew panzeri know now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► TechCrunch has was the first one to kinda called out and I have to agree it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► doesn't seem likely that's but that's the case for the five see right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► again it seems like that phone is designed to not have a case they only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► made this thing so the biggest thing because they felt like people to ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► it it doesn't seem like it was made thoughtfully the cases the leather cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► for the 5s seem more serious I don't think people are gonna like those holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► in the back on yeah I don't expect they will it can have that bumper feel we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► supposed to show you more of the phone like if you go and you buy the gold one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► in utero one of the leather cases are you never gonna see the gold glad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► see it on the air that's but I think people are gonna do it I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► sure I guess what people like to do I see a lot of third-party cases where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► they a lot of them where they have a hole cut out just for the Apple logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► just a you know datos yeah you're using an iPhone that's what I think the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► who buy the gold one buys they're gonna buy one that has it holds you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► back but they just want one hole just for the Apple logo it does seem to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► about him or it does seem make the those those holes that don't align at all with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► anything on the back of the phone on at 5 °c case seemed more inexplicable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► because it seems like it's pretty obvious that people want the brand stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► to show through I can't imagine that they could tactile feel of your hands on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► those those holes is gonna be a pleasant sensation and imagining it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► weird holding my hand yeah I don't know it feels ugly so I think we're all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► agreement that the that the that the 5 C's going to be very popular right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► like I C stands for cute yeah I pointed out wandering fireball that day one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► right up that it's seems telling to me that it's when you go to apple.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► that's the first one it's listed as I can tell the new stuff but the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► is the five see and it's the only when it's available for pre-orders gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► available I guess pre-order tomorrow so I be the day that the show comes out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► I 5s is not available for pre-order yeah and my guess sort of semi in foreign by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► Cupertino areas that it's about availability that the 5 C's there's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► of them on boats on route from China right now do you think that any of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► has to do with the colors of the 50 US I don't know I I bet it's more just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► all the components are you that the a seven is know that that's fingerprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► sensors and cameras and whereas all of those components in the fight see our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► year old components it's the exact same camera from the five its exact same a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► even home but was it had less to do to ramp up production made of components [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► that they're already good at making I was about to suggest that maybe it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► something to do with like trying to mitigate demand for specific color of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► the five but that doesn't make sense as in you would want pre-order so you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► know how many to ship over and boats how many things put together and I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► you know I don't wonder what will see like when when the order comes out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► will we see that like pink and blue are six weeks delayed you know if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► get in the day that the moment that the store open now there's six weeks delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but you can get a yellow one in a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► yeah who's gonna buy white seems to me that I don't know why it seems sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► boring and it looks even in person to me a lot like an old white 3G s exactly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► did actually do it looks less new then the other ones because I've seen a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► plastic iPhone before ya and years ago when they first came out like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► kind to the mental image the protocol mental image of what an Apple phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► would look like that white candy shop with a QWERTY keyboard and a free iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► all the artists renditions of a year right that they look that way to dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► the phone you had to use the controls what they did Tony Fadell is admitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► that they actually made prototypes that work like that actually you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► was it always seemed like a joke and I think a lot of the people who made those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► mockups were joking but they actually tried that and and his and then he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► said you know there's a reason people don't use rotary phones anymore they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► tried it and then quickly abandoned that surprises me doesn't surprise me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► they would want a prototype things and try things out when exploring a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► product category but they would never made it past the conceptual phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► because it seems it seems like something maybe you don't even have to try it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► so it's so dumb that you don't even need to bother going down that path so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► when you have billions of dollars in your pocket you can you can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► product of billions of dollars but not doings of Engineers yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► designers are right before I think the first quarter break what what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► guys gonna buy I think about gold digger by 5s 5s God surprising I I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► have guessed that when I saw them mark-ups and even as I get my phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► get it reenergized its blue and one of the available colors was a gold and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► that's a good idea would never do that but something about the way up and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► it together and the ring on the front end up looking elegant and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► gonna buy the 5s black but I might just go crazy by i've seen the colors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1553">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► wouldn't want the 64 bit faster I like around before that stuff you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► phones are pretty darn fast already that's true I'm gonna go 64 gig by black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► Dave you have an interesting theory on this I think they had to call there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► always people on Twitter her complaining about spaces and grey or making fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► its gunmetal grey that's the real name of that color color gunmetal grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► because gun the word gun is to politicize the gunman opened their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► drawing attention away that they don't want yeah I totally agree and and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► gunmetal gray is exactly what I would call it it in I think it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► because it's better than last year's Black because it looks like just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► whereas it or not trying to make you like the last year's one looks more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► the the 2001 you know model and black slab where this one looks like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► black face with a metal side and I think that as it wears over the year and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► get a little nicks along the edges I think it's gonna they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► going to stand out and they made you can refine the anodization process I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► mine re-energize now I can think of the scratches Daily Show I think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► sort of like just good advice to just take the materials should be honest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► themselves I'm sure Jony ive said then video about 10 times but I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► went too far when a field from that because it's it was mad about it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► tried to make it look like not metal right now it looks like metal yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► going back to the color thing the space grade gunmetal grey that's a name that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► refers to where you would see that color of metal I think space great I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► feels sci-fi like that's the color of the spaceship you would imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1668">TS</a>]
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00:28:36 ◼ ► really they pride themselves on that's gross basis there 24 hour 7 days a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1716">TS</a>]
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00:28:54 ◼ ► real person in New York they have seventy people in our customer care team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► which is crazy I just said that to me is an enormous number but it just shows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► big square spaces and customers they have and how totally serious they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► about like at any point you need help there someone in New York who's ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► which just blows my mind everything about this guy's makes it seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► they're they're like preparing to take over the world they really want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► it right and they're always coming out with new templates they have a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► bunch of stuff to choose from all their templates are mobile ready you load the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► same site on your iPhone it looks perfect on the iPhone load on your iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► it looks perfect there you go to scrippsnews.com and check them out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► you have any need for a website and I don't put too fine a point on it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► know how if you see the same the same being used over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► over again you can get tired of it but there's a thing with the Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► templates that when you see it it's almost a relief like you recognize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► and even though you've seen this before it's familiar it feels familiar not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► repetitive stuff away to set yourself apart from from a lot of other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► yeah and use the exact same template that every every other person uses you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► get a little design hand-holding so let's jump in talk with you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► the 64 bit when Brown was saying maybe he'd get a five see so it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► this controversy but it seems like especially as I looked around the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► today there's an awful lot of people were traded over arguing that going 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► bit is sort of show off do nothing meaningless move at this point because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► one of the things about 64 bit computing is it lets software dress more than four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► gigabytes of memory and so it's a big deal it was a big deal in pakistan won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► 64 bit because Big Data hungry apps could use a lot more RAM like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► effectively unlimited however much RAM you could put the machine now your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► software could use it while the five phone only has 512 I think megabytes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► RAM or maybe a gig I don't know but it certainly doesn't think it's a good now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► yeah so the question is is there any other advantage to going 64 bit other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► than just being able to say when 64 bit well of course you know even 64 bit apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► on the Mac are probably not using that much memory that's even the issue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► issue is that you know there are newer processor is faster processors have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► whatever different instruction sets wherever just designed to be really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► they're better I think there's a sec not just the memory memory I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► even even if the memory thing doesn't make any sense and even if they aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► any faster even if the the benchmarks are the same for the architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► between 32 bit and 64 bit on the same processor it still seems like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► setting themselves up to make some kind of change if I'm apple and I've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► 64 bit CPU that can make that's really fast and I'm putting on my mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► devices I'm gonna be thinking about what other mobile devices I have that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► put this in not just obviously the iPad but the MacBook Air they've already made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► the the the architectures which ones I would be shocked if they didn't have Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► OS 10 running on ARM processors right now I do it and they emphasized that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► of the phrases that they used couple times in the event about the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► was that there was quote unquote desktop class performance yes and they had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► Infinity Blade guys come out that was that was actually I think the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► software that was actually demoed live on stage they didn't demo all the iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► stuff was you know in the keynote slides like the only person who actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► used an iPhone on stage was the the Infinity Blade guy I'm almost certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► which I thought was interesting but you know I know guys emphasize that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► like console quality gaming graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► if if that chip doesn't show up in the next iteration of the MacBook Air I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► be surprised and I would bet money that within a year it's a MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► that's a bold timeline I i dont have a year but I would bet they're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► it serious I believe that but I don't get a lot of money for a big but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► think it fits in the in the general idea though that the MacBook Air is not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► maximizing performance it's about minimizing weight minimizing thickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► minimizing heat and maximizing battery life given those constraints that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► do you know we're going to make this thing really small so we can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► physically huge battery in there but we really do want these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► amazing battery life and the ones that came out this year they jump in battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► life year over year on the the current areas that you can buy his amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► absolutely amazing green but let's not discount the importance of controlling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► your supply chain yeah and then they'd have their own their own CPUs their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► made CPUs but I can't help but think that it hypothetical MacBook Air based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► on 64 bit ARM processor the battery life would would you know you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► conceivably get twenty hours about it yeah i pod style battery life it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► feels like there's every reason to start thinking about making the switch and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► really shouldn't be a surprise it's telling that they would say specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► desktop class performance but ever since they started making their own chips for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► anything this is kind of been in the back of people's minds chair what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► going to happen until I mean they'll probably be ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► medium-term long-term they're gonna everything's going mobile these days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► how much they really do not say they just really well and a weird thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► Intel and I'm weird but the the the problem they're facing a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► the problem Microsoft is facing and then they've always been the sibling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► companies Microsoft did the PC software and Intel did the PC hardware and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► way that Microsoft is getting pinched by the rise of free software like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► that Android Google just gives it for free and Microsoft wants to charge $10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► so you can use Windows Phone that's a huge resort Windows Phone is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► popular than Android is no doubt in my mind you know anybody $10 per phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► they use and Microsoft is not set up for that world they're not set up for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► world where they make money on your word processing activity by selling $0.05 ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► and just make up fifty million people use it in a day and then it's real money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► they are set up so that they get $100 at the time when you upgrade to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► entails the same way where there used to making you know 23 $400 for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► in CPU and he's armed CPUs there in these devices are you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► what exactly they cost but they don't cost anywhere near what Intel charges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► first CPA and they're just not set up for me I think in theory they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► they used to be part of our day sold like their partner army they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► obviously get back into it and make them but they can't get back into armed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► sell chips for the prices that they want to I'm so maybe if your Intel you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► thinking about getting acquired by somebody who makes these things and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► me I'm just talking long-term how do they they can't they can produce them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► and sell them with a mark-up cheaply enough the best bet is to if if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► world is turning in the direction of everybody's building on CPUs sooner or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► later you coming by I think that they've gotta get into it they've got to get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► mobile somehow and it they've got accepted are gonna be cheap and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► somehow do it in a way that accept that people are going to buy a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► mobile devices you know they're going to buy watches they're gonna buy glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► that have a CPU you know your eyeglasses and now have a CPU and everybody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► to prepare for that world and instead of selling $100 pentium to somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► going to keep the computer for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► you know try to sell them seven or eight little CPUs that you know you upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► every year I get you know it's a joke but actually maybe they could make it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► and they actually charge something which in those other side processors like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► Apple's using the 5s the motion tracking might be called them and said yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► that's so there's this let's talk about the m7 so David I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► yeah I dunno I had time to fit I i got it was an IndieGoGo campaign for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Fitbit type device called the misfit shine and your name as an indie rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► band little bit it was like a little about the size of a quarter kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► really cool to touch her owners build quality and came a little rubber thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► you could stretch around it and and magnetized to put on your builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► products lasted six days before a loss of course and I have no idea where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► I hear people talk about losing their fifth but I haven't lost mine but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► just in those six days I thought the thing was a pain in the ass and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► think my amy has it and she said a couple of them she's lost a few but put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► into the washer put into the washer other one time it was terrible she had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► brand new skirt and and she put it in the pocket and it ends up there wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► pocket it was like a slip and so it's just like when straight if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► terrible design like something that looks like a pocket has to be upon you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► cannot have it looks like a pocket just drop straight through to the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► notice like that you're not here to the floor and you know it probably had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► enough likes diction that it you know who knows where she lost it but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► that the sinking is the sinking against me I don't want to have another device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► that right in the only reason I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► traveling I'm not use bluetooth on my phone for my car my card assembly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► control center cities due to have one more thing that I have to have bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► on for to keep these things work is to not have to think about that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► win the only time that I wouldn't have it with me would be when I am actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► exercising like if I could go for a jog I don't take my phone you don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► from you could you could imagine that external things that maybe I would maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► I would with the m7 I don't know if I mean if you knew that your phone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► your fit and I'm gonna say Fitbit because my guess is that with this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► they're gonna make a dedicated app that replaces the hardware thing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► study twenty people by the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► the phone that does that I just don't see jogging and I'm going on break it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► somehow or just like just a day after day like to take a key cog in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► sharpeville shuffle yeah I mean I could buy one at Dance right now just yet I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► bring my house keys otherwise yeah well let's come back to that because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► doing after sponsor break we'll come back to that idea of taking the shuttle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► and putting that M seven in other devices I but I do think I i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► they almost if there's anything that's new in the five yesterday underplayed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► think it's that motion because they spend a lot of time on the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► spent a lot of time on the performance improvements you know they had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► Infinity Blade guys come out the m7 the motion thing they kind of I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► doesn't but they didn't really get telling a story about how you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► it well they had nothing to demo right with the camera you can demo camera you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► can demo Infinity Blade you condemn allow faster phone is but it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► demo for some is just a piece of technology doesn't do anything yet right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► and it seems and cuz its new so there's no apps for yet although clearly behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► the scenes they've been working with Nike cuz they talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► an upcoming Nike app that will integrate with it and they specifically said for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► this kind of a poor to see a whole new class of fitness at home right now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► seems like the the big difference between like the camera and the motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► trackers the camera I mean not the door on camera apps in the App Store but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Apple has a very serious camera app that's built into the phone right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► is there apparently not going to have a built-in fitness app that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► islands oh yeah yeah because this this only works on one device good point so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► maybe that changes three years from now on every iPhone raise maybe or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► they just let it be a third-party opportunity maybe it did kinda feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► way they said it the whole new class of business health insurance application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► however the phrasing was it seemed like they were announced a daring but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► encouraging developers like most guys don't think about this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► they probably already reached out to you not just like you but other partners yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► well but I wonder though because some of them I mean hardware to sign on now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► I would have reached out of it but behind the scenes I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► seems like the obvious choice to me because my user but there's that but has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► been kind of a talent acquisition spree they've been hiring really really top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► level designers and I haven't seen anything new come out of that so but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► seems like part of it is you know it's like it's supposed to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► so-called circle virtuous circle yeah that it is a big part of using a Fitbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► or any of these devices seems to be the social networking angle of it so you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► got a fifth and you know I know via did you and Amy and lacks in jackass with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► the beard Montara made you say Jackson the beard I got I can't say anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► actually I'm gonna say their own man Mike Monteiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► you guys are all like I got social circle on the Fitbit citing you guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► all comparing your steps every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► yeah I know the one time there was like two days r you had like 10 steps and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► was like hey are you sure she said that she's I don't think it ever wake up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► the morning saying how can I get through the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► only taking ten steps no I think think that would be easier to pull off then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► like my daily goal is set at $10,000 ten steps a lot easier than 10,000 still up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► there would be just one child she's she's she's hundred and thirty 4477 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► steps right now is that all time no that's the last seven days wow thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► 38,000 and you get out my ass but I thought that maybe just maybe I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► paying enough attention during that part of the presentation but I i feel i left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► the presentation confused about just how independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► m70 is from the rest of the CPU like I think it matters profoundly for battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► life so let's say I get this Nike app today have already promoted and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► gonna used used that happened to track my steps with my with my phone does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► mean my battery life is going to go down because the Nike ad is running in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► way in the background all day but is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► know the answer is no and I don't think they made that clear like the m7 is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► kind of independent and it's like a Fitbit or like that misfit shine that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► lost like it just takes a watch batteries so not that there's a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► watch battery for it but that that sort of tracking clearly doesn't take a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► of power if it can run off a watch battery for a couple of months then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► obviously something that is almost a negligible effect can read all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► stuff going on a phone that just works all the time and it does nothing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► CPU and no software running on the CPU it's just this little independent chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► that tracking and logging steps and then when you launch the Nike app or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► Fitbit app or whatever app it goes inquiries that and gets a log of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► activity since the last time the appt it just gets data and then it process in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► Apple they did in the event I thought they said that it does that thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► then the main processor will will but it doesn't do any of that until you launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► an app to do it and I think like it compared to some of the absurd are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► already in the store that let you track you know you'd like to GPS and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► stuff that's in the iPhone store now to use your iPhone to track like where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► been like right and I have known who works on apps like that and the trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► with it is morning gotta carry your phone with you when you go running which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► everybody wants to do but the app has to be open it it won't just like track that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► stuff in the background of the actors in the front most right and I mean over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► years all the stuff that happens in the background Apple has tried to beat you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► engineer the API is very carefully you know so that if you're going to do audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► in the background it's minimally you know and CPU intensive but still it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► sleepy it's still something some kind of code is running on the CPU and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► takes battery and m7 is not super clever seems very good examples and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► was in his wrap-up at the event Tim Cook mentioned any sort of emphasizing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► maybe like verbally underlined that the new stuff they've added to the fine ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► is all intended to be genuinely useful and I took that as a sort of we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► going to name names but look at the goofy stuff Samsung came out with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► year that nobody uses the six months later nobody uses the thing where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► you're watching a video and you move your eyes away the video pauses right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► there was I think they had a thing where they could could scroll tax based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► where your eyes are and they had a silly thing where you can not touch the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► and just point your finger at it all and none of them are actually useful well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► maybe useful but not used for yet another tech demo skis are prototypes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► for something that we might want five years from now maybe but it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► they're emphasizing with the 5s is that looked the better camera to take better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► pictures and better video it's real improvement but also an explanation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► the people who think that they're supposed to come out and change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► world like we're doing the things that are going to make this phone genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► better actually improve the way you do things make your life more whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► sponsors an Event Apart an Event Apart is the design conference for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► make websites the one web design and front-end development conference that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► you don't wanna mess and it's great because there's a couple of events all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► around the country so it's not just one place and you've got to travel there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► they've probably gotten event near you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► their stage the event apart stage is where you can Marcotte introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► responsive web design I mean that's really invented the guy invented in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► part I mean this is a huge deal its work mister how a person sounded the cry for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► content strategy is where Luke Wroblewski premiered the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► designing for mobile first and then go expanding to desktop browsers second if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► you care about code as well as content usability as well as design an Event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► Apart is the conference for you see the city's the schedules and the tickets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► more go to their website here is the address an Event Apart dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► talk show and that'll let them know you came here from the show an Event Apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► dot com slash talk show talked about so this was the first year they called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► event this year the music event and this is the first time they've ever had quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► unquote music event which is always the way they called their September events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► where they didn't have any new iPods not just no new iPod Touches no new iPods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► period music other than the that London Festival the iTunes Festival and I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► that's why they announced the drug industry for the US right the iLife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► stuff where was not a thing I miss remembers alright for sure new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► purchasers right by work that includes I work my life is lost over which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► nice which would be sure if I'm even remembering that correctly but we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► come back to that that's but i wanna say I wanna talk about the iPod's arms I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► really wondering whether there's going to be no new iPods at all this year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► they just didn't want to steal the spotlight from the iPhone and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► iPods are gonna come next month when they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► iPads because I leave my hat if they don't have new iPads do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► they're gonna do iPods to what do you think maybe they're gonna go two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► without even touching the iPod line I kinda hope they don't have those don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► touch that I hope they don't get it i hope they don't touch it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► does the iPod bleed into the five see well I definitely think obviously in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► terms of total costs it's way more expensive and you know in the USU no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► $199 or even if you get the $99 1 $99 five see combined with the mandatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► two-year contract is you know you're probably talking like $2000 although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► guess some of the carriers now have some cheaper plans likes like t-mobile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Sprint Verizon and AT&T words really expensive but realistically practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► don't most families have like a family shared plan already like how what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► percentage of let's say kids who would want an iPod Touch they couldn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► five see ya I don't know if it's also definitely the case where if you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► emotionally view just go in the store they're competing with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► because they're both bright and colorful right you know you know the ones of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► metal and plastic but the colors of the same the same sort of color scheme and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► it's you know I think very both beautiful and you know they're obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► they're the exact same size and they do the same thing other than whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► have so you're not working yet I have always seen the iPod Touch is being for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► the funniest iPad iPod ever like these things kind of all point to that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► this is the this is a demographically nobody's these things and we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► gonna wait for them to my wife is isn't isn't a quilting guild so she knows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► lot of a lot of women in their forties fifties sixties seventies a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► have really really cheap phones and iPod Touch interesting I would say all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► them but do you know why they're like they just they get the whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► cheapest stupidest well free phone plan and and for ten years so there but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► like the iPod Touch pretty cool that you can get you can get a phone this is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► good as the touch the cheapest phone is as good as attachment that comes free by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► the plan so what you're saying though is that John Syracuse's an old lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► yes it is I think older people and at least in America I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► particularly resistant to smartly I think it's because they're wise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► their their sensible and they're not like me they're very sensitive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► anything that's a recurring charge and so they're a less likely even do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► anything with recurring charge and winner is like a monthly cell phone bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► they want it low and they you know and and they want to know exactly what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► going to cost and that you know if it's $29 a month is it really $29 month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► are you gonna talk on $15.09 fees CI I think that has more to do with fear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► change of technology if you've always had this phone also have a touch me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► they're not releasing the photos it's just that they don't want to change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► thing the thing that they don't understand is how their phone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► contract on the stuff works became something is going to be more money is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► not my money to buy different something or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► they made the leap to cell phones and whatever where they landed they got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► to work and they don't know exactly what they know they can get a call and let my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► grandkids their numbers are so so so the iPod Touches WiFi only well you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► don't have to whatever at the grocery store you know what i mean about Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► notifications exist if you look at Apple's quarterly numbers yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► definitely you know I iPod sales overall are definitely trending down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► and you know looking at the history of the iPod it's it's clearly being propped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► up by the iPod Touch which is you know how hard it's not really an iPod it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► iPhone without the phone but I'd still sells in decent numbers it's just way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► down from its heyday you know 2005 2006 2007 but I wonder you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► nice things when I'm sure that the actual data that Apple has fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► you know and who knows it could be that maybe you know if if they don't come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► with any new iPods this year which would be the first time they've ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► maybe it's because it's the whole wine is sort of a legacy line and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► selling it you know while it's still a couple million reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► shades of secularism here where it used to be that the iPod was gonna buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► security around and then it became a nap on the phone and then the iPod app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► your phone was quietly changed the same music as I even called iPod anymore so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► now I'm getting rid of the actual physical devices to kind of make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► and it's only in the end it's all its gonna be one thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► the iPod line well but I wonder why I think maybe scenario is that based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► what we know like an iPod is like you know two things you put music on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► play it they've sort of perfected it like there's no white white week it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► year if if it's not going to be any better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► like the shuttle is great the current shuttle is great iPod back or or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► excluding need the touch the iPod is something that you care and you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► music on that's smaller in tune to a specific set of tasks playing music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► what not what what if they are planning to release something like that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► doesn't go in your pocket anymore it gets trapped your wrist exactly thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► sort of you seem exactly where I'm going I guess I've always thought that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► the if there's an iWatch that its think about it more as a next generation iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► right and you know maybe that's something to I don't think we would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► it this year I think this m7 because its new is is meant only to be in the 50 S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3414">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► but think about like next year what if they put in m7 in something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► shuffle and maybe some of the shuttle's come with a watch strap and now you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► got a thing that you know and combine that with a little bit of the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► blue tooth like the airdrop style Bluetooth communication where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► have to like to liking connected with a cable sync process the sink just happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► over the year when it get when your iPod shuffle gets near your iPhone or iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► and there's a good thing that happens every time interval right yeah and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► brand can put his i watch on and go for his run and then it just talks to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► phone everything works right and it's all coordinated and that you know and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► your time you spend with both your iPhone and you watch or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► you know little clip on thing there's no duplication of it because they they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► they're near each other and in fact maybe they could almost like double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► check like I had him at a thousand steps the other device said 1100 will call at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► ten fifty right but it wouldn't go down is 2100 you know what it reminds me of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► is the play count and iTunes not sure how do you take your phone you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► music in your car and you come back in your bones things to your computer in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► the lake at night he gets updated yeah I know exactly how many times I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► listened to any song so that sort of thinking combined with no actual manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► intervention to make this thing happen you know they make you set them up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► pair them at one point in the beginning and in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► all their handshaking just happens well let's let's also think maybe that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► they're gonna call it maybe it does have not just life I but some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► cellular data thing you can get on it mean that would make it much more useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► yeah I think especially of notifications right that's what I'm expecting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the way these things work now is that the talks to your phone via bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► and just picked up their applications via phone but if it's another one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► these ties to your buck 50 my watch on the ties my a polite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► then wherever I am it could be in trouble sending all of my my step count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► data up to this thing could be third and final sponsor these guys are great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► love i mean they're actually there's like 10 percent of my body weight is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► their product at Starbucks Coffee back on the show and a week like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► I've been away from home this is a fourth day away from home I play on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► morrow III we've had some good coffee here I had some good coffee in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► Francisco Bay what I miss my talks really do I'm starting to get the shakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► plus we don't know the talks is a small online Coffee Company days source beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► themselves they roasted themselves and then they ship it to the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► their customers you subsided per subscription totally reasonable rate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► what I would argue is as good a coffee as you can get anywhere in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► you sign up for how frequently wanted I get every two weeks ago a big bag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► it's just magic just every two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► a bag of fantastic amazing coffee just shows up at my door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► one of the little things as time goes on I just love about talks number one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► still never gotten a bad that I didn't think was great but I get badges a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► coffee that I would not ordinarily by usually when it before talks what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► would do is i would find one kind of coffee that I like and I would just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► it that exact coffee week after week after week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► scares me like a variety and sort of opens my palate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► coffees that I wouldn't ordinarily try you just put your faith in talks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► they give you great coffee pretty good I am the guy who thinks the same exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► thing every day so you should think about it the more you go to talk start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► org CTO and acts and you'll find out more but I cannot recommend them highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► enough i'm looking up right now what we gonna do with him I can I can I get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► real good with you are you could also just google docs to you and access to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► and I googled it but anyway go there if you like coffee talks unites looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► they have decaf so if you're like me and I mean don't ever admit that vintage on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► know so last week I don't notice the same case enough Lee there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3713">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► small point which is occasionally at night a little coffee sounds good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► you really just a you know not every day not a good week not even every month but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► on occasion and you know I guess the thing I love the way good coffee tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► show there is something when you talk about decaf vs Capcom you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► treating like the drug is it matters do not like the flavor if you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► the flavor do you care about the process of D drug defying it changes a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► bit but not so much that I mean I haven't had caffeine caffeine so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► that I don't remember what the differences if there's one right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► feel like you wouldn't even if it was really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► well there are people who do want tastings wine people wow that's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► great to get into a wine tasting like a really serious one and don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► everybody else is everybody else is all we need to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► and all this stuff and branded in the bottle empty bucket as his whiskey is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► suing congress wine is so snobby nabi booze right and i think is becoming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► snobby alcohol yeah but it never will be on the way wineries and I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► that I'm not a wine drinker but I'm not but I i understand you know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► really is so hard to make good wine that it's worth the money because it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► know it's supply and demand and it might actually be worth to buy the line but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► just get so dressed up its serious wine is very dressy thing and then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► spinning in the bucket yeah it's money paid them up right it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► some wine tastings are is as fine and experience as elegant experiences you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► gonna find these fancy people spitting being grouped into my guess is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► than 50 people being smashed their minds and I really I think people are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► improved by being special I think drinking some of the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► alright speaking against a target I S wrap the show up and talk about over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► seven and maybe tired and a little bit with what we've been doing with that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► some of the design challenges that we face we were just talking about it today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► and Eve you said something to the effect of their unveiled it back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► June and then I was seven came out a week later an awful lot of people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► wow you guys you know sort of saw where the puck was going you guys kind of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► an iOS 7 looking out before I was seven and then followed that up with you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► probably won't have much to do to update the design for more than a weekend but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► like any good thing was designed basically I scribbled some stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► crayon militant brand mailed it the actual postal me the truth is we I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► we ran into more design problems getting this thing to where we wanted to be Fri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► 07 then we did with the original version yes I think a lot of us because we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► were speculating we were trying pretty hard to get a sense of what the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► is going to look like and I'm not going to say it's an accident that we got what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► we did a lot of work into it but I am surprised by how close we got better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► worse I'm surprised that we got as close as we did and when when you look at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3953">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► I was seven actually is the way that all turned out were close but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► differences that are not just a cosmetic fix their differences that required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► rethinking the way we did some things well and there's definitely some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► differences that really i mean ourselves but honestly they come down to if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► Apple had a star pinion before I was seven came out we would have recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► there's no not picky wait to see what you've written about it on your blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Dave but the status bar the thing at the top of the screen where there's the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► the carrier signal strength that's when we just disagree with what Apple's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► in Dallas seven energy was really really hard to figure out what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► aspirin that shaking my head in frustration I i look at that thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► it doesn't make any sense to me the reason I get why they wanted it to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► like the entire screen was the at extracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► abstracting the hardware and software but the trouble is that the status bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► has always been hardware that's always been its all Harbor indicators or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► something I have control over yeah it's a throwback to like dumb phones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► there'd be an LED line that would strip you signal strength [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► raise the time but now they've taken what was an OS level problem showing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► that hardware information and made it an apple of a problem for now I as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► designer have to account for what they've done in a way that I want have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► no control over that's the big issue we have so little control we can say be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► darker be like yeah so that means our Design has to be so that it's readable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► we can't do anything right you can't you can't do anything where the left at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► screen is dark generate happens like a lesson to draw a pic status bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► background that idea we thought seriously about do we just all black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► rectangle there say screw Apple they're wrong and I believe me I'm still kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► tempted it would be easiest to program gotta get used to it I still hate it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► enough to where it doesn't enrage me I can look at the work we've done I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► happy with where we are just way more effort to get here that it frustrates me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► about it is that they started with the status bar problem and I'm this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► original iPhone in 2007 there were a couple of different styles there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► great style black style there is a third style but it was always kind of up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► the air if you went anywhere non-standard you I wise in your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► which status bar you're supposed to use and I think that the head went back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► I've got an opinion on this and then the iPad came out and they did something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► interesting when the iPad came out the status bar was black and that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► and your options were show the status bar and if you do get a black one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► don't show it like if you're a gamer showing the full screen video and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► it and it means that was so clearly what they should have done with the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► and I honestly thought this is back 2010 when the iPad came out and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► noticed that this there was no great status bar they're always black and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► thought always look great great on both white ones and black ones hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► was a great next year when the iPhone comes out that go with the black status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► bar and then instead they went with the goofy color thing the weird extracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► from the navbar 10th color right and it made it and my pain worse but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► still I think better than this because you at least had the option is an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► developer to go black you can see just give me a black status and if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► in the App Store almost all apps I would say are nice they all have the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► status bar on Iowa sex because that's the sensible solution is almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► third-party developers are screaming at Apple you solve this with the iPad just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► have a black status yeah I mean you look at iOS 6 I can't think of a single app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► that I admire that uses the great status bar know and I think that the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► know the semantics of it are that you know 98% of the screen is yours being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► that you know and we'll just take this loss trip up here for the system right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► to go somewhere right look at the user needs to see this we gotta show it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► gotta put it somewhere to stick it up here and in this part of the screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► get everything below that we're sorry but I will take care of this and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► they're saying is you have to show this stuff you have to deal with it and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► you figured out it's really hard if you customize your right your eyes you I at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► yeah to deal with and we've talked about how the UI is always going to be home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► the UI pieces are always going to be about it system WI and so it's as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► as would be nice to have any kind of typography control over things like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► do you i alert looks like when the activity sheets the status bar taxed as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► long as it's all consistent that's that's fine but it's still it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► it's another example of they've got full control over this thing but it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► problem I never found it jarring typographical II when you know we use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► custom other a lot of apps use custom never found it jarring in iOS 6 when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► status bar was black and white Helvetica tax and any app underneath was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► different things it seemed like here's to different regions little tiny bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► the system at the top down below that is integrated with the navbar it does I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► think I think anytime I think any app that uses custom fonts it's jarring in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► the way that you know it's it's just dishonest the status bar is not part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► our appt right I think this is the best reviews they're alright it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► in you I turn so much like a parasite yeah yeah you could tell I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► what else what other problems did we have live luring you know and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► the wonderful demos Apple did everything look like live blurring would be an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► thing to do would be all over I don't know no way too many surprises but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► trying to do live learn with something in it just was a nightmare is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► way you can do this if you if you use the tool bar now bar yeah and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► wanted something larger than we just do a giant will borrow the things we wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► to blur seriously developers here's your tip AQI toolbar make whatever size you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► want you just like any other do I view then you've got like ever performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► sucks so and I guess that's probably why they didn't expose it you know they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► kept the library to themselves is that you know there are some serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► and so they're they're doing it in small doses and knowing they know exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► much live blurring performance problems are going on the phone because the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► people who get it is the system itself well the live during the reason we wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► up going slightly different direction is not because of the performance I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► that was definitely worth considering but it was more that we have to account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► for what happens on devices that are capable of doing the blur and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► designing for different things and we wind up doing something else be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► the other thing that we ran into and I guess I don't know if we want to spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► it or not but we can talk about week maybe we won't say what we came up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► but the question of all of Apple's out Fri 17 have a white navbar the top are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4435">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► colored now of bars and no flat whatever just is a colored navbar passe Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► really setting a tempo here and I don't know if they mean to or not it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► seems like it's unintentional but they're really setting a temple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► everything is gonna have to wait in a bar and i'm i'm fearful of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► historically the stock apps that come with the phone Apple stock apps have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► third-party developers should do with their apps like everything from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► compass after the stocks after two maps have all had like one or two things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► were a little bit custom or suggested what you should do in this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► situation in with every app now having that right now part I'm fearful that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► developers in be turning out apostolic the same I just don't don't thinks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► don't think I'll turn out that way I think developers of you like a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► you know we have a color scheme we have some branding whenever you're ready to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► number I had i dont in in happen even complain to them but I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► going to change i think that based just on a few screenshots they showed at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► event this week of of third-party iOS apps that are in development you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► but I saw a couple of them and just in the screenshots that flash by road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► quickly that had colored now bars and they were you know flattered or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► totally flat but they you know they seems to me like even just the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► Apple already has been in communication with behind the scenes color is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► yeah I guess my bigger concern is that developers going to do everything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► with no guidance there's nothing I was given us nothing to show us how we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► supposed to do this and so the family in the dark so the guy INS will be here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► pee right we'll see what other developers to do and I think kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► form based on that we don't really understand I was seven from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► absolutely understand it because I come factory near yeah and it's always kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► of been there were others are things we learned from a ponders the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► learned from third parties this just seems like Apple had an opportunity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► they threw it away and it's not clear to me why they had an opportunity to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► what we're doing it might just be that they don't know they don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► handle color and what have you guys figured out we did this stupid thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► with the status bar now we have no idea what to do and yeah and and we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► about this before the show but I think that possible it's possible I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► how maybe like when they were doing and they wanted to let's start with a clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► slate let's have no preconceptions from the look and feel that maybe they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► to get away with now bars from completely and if there was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► a back button just dry with no background and you know just if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► a button just draw the buttons over the content and some of the apps you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► like the weather app that fit on a screen there like that you know not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► weather had a nap now far before but you could see it you know I think the stocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► app is another example the more rigid es rate but the problem you run into if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► you're just gonna draw the button with nothing no bar behind it that stretches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► across what do you do with scrolling content all of a sudden you're your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► words are being covered by a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► that doesn't look great and I almost wonder if that's what they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► realized scrolling content was a problem and then they went white with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► background but in their minds they don't even see it as a white navbar they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► that is known as far but just that it white said that it obscures the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► as it swirls underneath and maybe the party race you still kind of see you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► the context of this that's interesting you can still do that with a colored now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► bar doesn't work quite the same way but there's also how do you handle different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► types of content especially images versus text this thing show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► differently behind a blurred now borrows things differently behind a text but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► they are different so I've been running I was seven bidders I think since been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► at 32 weeks after four weeks after switching to debate on the same day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► I can definitely say I like and again we just grabbed about something so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► definitely something that I don't like about I was but overall I really do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► it and the thing that really jumps out is when I use apps that aren't updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► for iOS app which is a lot of apps at this point because you know none of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► really only ones that I'm beta testing that could be updated for seven or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► Apple's own lines but it every single time it it's like punching a guy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► yeah I think she just looks so chunky yeah it looks it looks like it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► slow it adds five pounds of the feeling I know you know I could be this is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► of those places right maybe just two blinded by my own preferences but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► really do think that normal people are a lot of normal people when they upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► the phone to Iowa 7 which you know the statistics show they do very quickly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► think that they are going to be grossed out by apps that haven't been updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► for seven yeah you know my my initial just noise about this and he made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► point that when Windows the switch gets flipped and everybody sees that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► normal people had the buttoned up to 80 s their phone restarts or that had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► based their gonna wake up a look at the phone and they're going to be shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► but I don't i maybe it's that I've had enough time to look at it and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► about and get used to it I just don't think there's any couple support calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► but for the most part been pretty well informed that there is a change coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► and despite looking different it's still it's not even that it doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► different feels very different but in a very good women so feels familiar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► don't think it's gonna be a jarring to normal people underestimate people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► yeah and I think it's you know there's no doubt in my mind I think Apple's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► a good job but I think it's a better design is by far I think it's built to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► i like it alot better I think it's going to be fun and I think I was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► confident of all those things that I just said that I think even Apple has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► idea what that first month reaction is going to be like I guess maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► better point to make would be that even if the reaction is bad apples willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► take that hit well they did it with maps and mean in the new maps was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► bad but I think they were surprised by how bad people considered it right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► whereas with iOS I think they're confident rightfully so that people may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► be surprised at first but will end up being very happy for the change these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► are things that need to happen when I get upset when people who talk about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► I was seven assists visual change it's all it's all just a new coat of paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► kind of thing to me it feels so much better than our sex and if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► only see our seven individual change I have to assume you haven't used it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► feels so much better and again familiar so I can see where there might be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► confusion but there's just so many details are better thought out well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► I think like multitasking is one example where I think you know the original have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► fun didn't have it I mean I'm talking about the computer science level I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► saying can you switch double tap home in switching don't not not getting into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► and then it didn't have it and I am sure they've had some basic idea of how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► were going to do it maybe even already knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► double tap the home screen but whenever you designed something when you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► have to do it for real its like that's when the shit hits the fan and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► always run an unexpected problems and the multitasking interface on iOS 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► 543 whenever they introduced it was always felt a little tacked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► yeah yeah and whereas the multitasking on I was 7 feels natural because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► is this the animations play into this where your icon flashes from the launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► it zooms in and that becomes your app and when you double tap for multitasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► the app gets sucked back a little bit you know three dimensionality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► animations conveys to you how the multitasking work it's funny it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► back to the things that we got right ahead of time its its users easy access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► as we don't push over investor to get to the details you have no balls in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► seems an odd solves the axis navigation and that's that's the world we live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► now I think it's great i like that every out deals that way I like the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► folders are set up now to learn you tap on it just comes forward in the outcomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► that everything is all in the z axis you're either moving into or out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► thing you want your not and that's what he said the things that you want are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► appearing and disappearing a logical way there's there's not as much spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► movement as there was when I was 6 for the API 7 totally corrupt all that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► is interesting he still is still easier to move left and right using a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► navigation and you can write you know but it's nowhere near as easy to a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► early days of break ya overtime overtime it's getting there but to me that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► huge fundamental change in seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► one that I quite like if if if there's anything that excites me the most about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► our seven it's what it means for Iowa see ya there were on a trajectory now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► that is genuinely excited it does it does feel I'm grateful that it still had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► to hasn't shipped to consumers but we've already heard we're building up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► whole show has been about is building up to fix the status bar fixed assets if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► there's if there's anyone think of anybody that thinks that satisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► you know it's now when I see your advisers see my wife's phone something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► running iOS 6 and they never really jumps out at me and it's is not a unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► observation everybody a lot of people do know right after it to be the seeds kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► of picked up on this but it in practice it to me it's very tangible is everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► says I was seven is flat and Iowa 6 was not flat but conceptually iOS 6 was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► flat in terms of you to open an app in the App was just there and you go left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► or right side ways you navigated through the app right if she's a piece of paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► being moved around wright's kid 23 dienes of like I said like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► multitasking that there's these levels like there's this bottom level which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► the AP's that's your home screen and then there's like a mid-level which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► your multitasking you're switching between running apps right and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► actual card and I know Palm webOS had a very similar multitasking interface with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► the cards but that's the way that that card zooms up to fill the screen it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► like a third level of Zoom Mic now you're really zoomed in and you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► the app it it really gives you more of a sense of place where you are and drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► which apps you're switching between right and flat when people talk about or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► complain about flattened I was seven they're just talking about the visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► and again all this focus on the visual there's so much more that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► missing it's so much easier to talk about the visual though to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► things it's visually flat but conceptually very much not flagged as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► just animation and and and navigation was very flat but visually very lumpy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► think in terms of like is gonna be controversial when it rolls out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► you're one ok yes update me when I'm plugged-in away from perhaps getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► very major surprise I sighed I think with Dave fry clearly you can't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► hundred million customers in not have some of them scream bloody mary no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► matter what you do but I think it's going to go over pretty well and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► that there's enough awareness that that this is happening that that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► allowed fewer people surprised than some people think talking to a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► and she'd she'd called me right after the 2007 announcement she was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► excited that she's not a technical person should work in this industry but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► she said she watched the event she loves her phone she loves using Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► and she sees the stuff in seven she's genuinely excited and this is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► like a scandalously worldwide you know which last two weeks like it but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► could be really really noisy and don't underestimate the news media's desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► for anti Apple stories or made another mistake stories and blown out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► proportion of the the end of that story is that she's got seven running on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► a genuine visiting genuinely excited about all the new things it does and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► way it works and it just so much better and that that's my template for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► of the world to do people resisted for a second spend a day or two it and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► should wrap up soon but here's one last topic would be with a lot of it it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► to the stuff that's not just cosmetic but even the cosmetic stuff is hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► straddle Iowa six and seven so how many apps do you think you're gonna go Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► seven on volume lot of people I talk to you really wanna do I was seven only but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► they have constraints sure bosses clients whatever as people often tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► be very conservative they think that brought back to for about three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► later I III there are reasons 16 now is it ninety years more than 96 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► it's more than 95 something ridiculous and red hair I think no matter what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► think it's you know I think I was 7 reach similar levels similar time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► a pastor right so how do I wonder I mean I can see not going I was only on day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► one because there is a ramp up its not like 95% of people are going to britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► first week I was 5 didn't have to update it didn't have the over the air update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► right and six so I'm expecting I would expect then that even more it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► faster than we get the same percentage yeah but I you know I think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► reasonable to do it with it within a couple of months time frame I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► and I don't think you're gonna leave many customers behind and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwPhxJU/5351">TS</a>]
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