0:00:00you had a rough week this week huh well with the baseball baseball and then you
0:00:07got owned by colossus just one after another
0:00:12cares who has some tiny tiny men exactly I mean I dont care im not superstitious
0:00:19superstitions are for Red as he says everything you need Nova Red Sox fans
0:00:23they did you know when they built the new Yankee Stadium a couple years ago
0:00:28there was some goofball guy in the construction crew who apparently are
0:00:34supposedly purportedly reputedly put a Red Sox jersey in like I provide a
0:00:42concrete thing you know
0:00:43boorda columnist Dan and then they went up like ripping it out or something I
0:00:47don't even know it was there who does stuff like that they were cursed at 86
0:00:54years or whatever it was they didn't curse they just stunk that's it do is it
0:00:59superstitious Red Sox fans who thought it was a curse
0:01:02whereas Yankee fans to said you know there are they stank
0:01:08good team this year though good team my elderly relatives and call the Yankees
0:01:15bombs always the bombs those bombs always way but they were Yankee fans
0:01:21yeah he's the bombs huh I thought I was that there was also what they used to
0:01:27call the the Brooklyn Dodgers yeah I think it's what every person who grow in
0:01:32our new york city seventy years ago there are bumps
0:01:40big week for you last week do you got to review our aim yeah spending all his
0:01:47podcasts on demand we gonna have here are our little you know the media and on
0:01:56a call the ecosphere call it but they know the way that there's a bunch of
0:02:00Kamal maybe well but it's more than that though there's also people who aren't
0:02:05cabal implies that where there's a plan and there's not yet exactly it's just
0:02:12you know that there are now shows and there's more websites and stuff like
0:02:15that but a lot of people have shows and now you can we can we as you know indeed
0:02:21whatever we ours but when we have something big in new come out when I had
0:02:29Vesper come out last year you when you know you've got the big really it's
0:02:33called them reviews but they're almost like short concise books if you think of
0:02:37them as short concise books they don't seem so long but now we can do what like
0:02:43actors do when the movie comes out as you go on a bunch of shows and you let
0:02:47people know yeah I'm I'm hoping that like when I try to do is gonna have to
0:02:52do that so I don't have to go on all the shows that I don't want to go on it is
0:02:55go on the shows that I do wanna go on and that narrows down considerably
0:02:58like it I don't feel compelled to just you know tons and tons of offers I can i
0:03:02cum on her own and that is always you know offers here and there but it seems
0:03:05this comes out everybody wants to PC on I have two luxury unlike the people of
0:03:09the Gulf promote a movie to write to pick and choose the right so but like so
0:03:13you not gonna go on guy English is stupid show now I know I will just like
0:03:18I couldn't I like literally couldn't fit in the schedule you know what time do a
0:03:21podcast I have like after the kids are in bed and even then usually only on
0:03:26weekdays and just you know when I'm booked up on bucked up five slots
0:03:29weekend and doing five things a night of my life angry so I can believe that
0:03:35trying to get that under control my wife bangers should be happier so how would I
0:03:42do it has a reaction gone to the to the review was good I guess people started
0:03:48taking for granted like I think it you know I think it's been tapering off the
0:03:52past few years in terms of just attention on the Mac at all and so the
0:03:56people who like it's still really really like it like that's my that's my core
0:04:00audience of the people who do like what I do really really like it but then
0:04:04everyone else like this thing around I guess like if you look at the the
0:04:09histogram of
0:04:10that's what up until like pages quote-unquote pages but not really a
0:04:13good look at the histogram of who visits you know the first page second page
0:04:17third page of whatever looks like a big you ship tons of people that the first
0:04:20page and tons of people read the last page and people who read the middle not
0:04:25so much so it's always been like that but now you don't just does well a lot
0:04:31of people read it but I think just the interested in general is people are as
0:04:38excited in Amenas attempt one-tenth major release like you know it's like I
0:04:41did I guess they're still doing that Mac thing let's learn about it a little bit
0:04:44and that everything about doing for iOS to
0:04:51I don't want to do them for iOS I don't feel like I mean I do the MCA's I've got
0:04:57a history in 1984 and everything I've been an iOS users since pretty much they
0:05:02want to win just doesn't feel the same to me you know doesn't is not that's not
0:05:06my thang some kid who was 12 years old and 2007 should be doing these iowa's
0:05:12reviews you know I mean like home
0:05:14iOS is that that seminal technology moment in their life after me that was
0:05:19the Mac whether it's not I was not that for me lol if you look at my reviews iOS
0:05:25is just like the shadow that looms over the entire thing because it's hard to
0:05:28even talk about the Mac without you know comparing comparing it to iOS and
0:05:34thinking about how it is a reaction to our west or how I was maybe reaction to
0:05:38what it's doing like it's impossible to do
0:05:41interview without talking about ISO I do but I wouldn't want to review the OS
0:05:44proper yet so you know the words it's it's it's your obsession with Pakistan
0:05:51that drives it does not just you want to be it's not just that you want to have a
0:05:56big comprehensive review of something that Apple's done it this is the daily
0:06:01you really you know your your mind just naturally latches onto wanting to know
0:06:06all these details and I like and I like Max better like things you can do with
0:06:09them in a lot of the technology things I'm talking about like they're probably
0:06:12equivalents and iOS or they may have started IRS or whatever but maybe it's
0:06:19because I have more back on but it seems like a lot of these things I can get
0:06:22more technical info about the details of OS 10 from Apple doesn't going to be a
0:06:29recession so much more likely to see some in-depth and users and developers
0:06:34really don't need to know that information but they're gonna talk
0:06:36they're going to talk about it in a presentation then you would for iOS and
0:06:39I guess
0:06:40jailbreak ios Center in there with the buggers and poking and prodding it could
0:06:43do a similar type of thing but Apple is not offering up that information as
0:06:47readily as they have historically offered it up for the magazine is like
0:06:51the dev tools and stuff which is common to all platforms and that could be in
0:06:54and I was worried just as easily as an artist interview but I like the you know
0:06:59weird things in this post I know stan has involved the more like its older and
0:07:05so if you look back even though I 07 as big radical break if you compare you
0:07:09know iOS will 136 and then seven that's just like the first quarter of West
0:07:14End's history of the way it's changed and how just look and feel interface
0:07:21technologies underpinning everything that the time before Iowa's existed
0:07:25compared to the time after I was 10 has been through a lot because I was still a
0:07:29spring chicken so it's maybe not as interesting from a historical
0:07:33perspective quite yet
0:07:35one thing that stuck out to me and part of it is the fact that this is the 10th
0:07:39one and that makes the math a lot easier is you can divide and just sort of
0:07:48figure well over the lifetime of Mac OS two even write it sometimes even I know
0:07:55it's hard I tried I am trying to train myself out of it it's like one of those
0:07:59ways around its coverage only cause to me that putting the Mac in Mac OS 10 it
0:08:04just jumps out at you and there's no confusion whereas with iOS and OS 10 it
0:08:11is it's all about that OS and to me it's one of those then then I can get
0:08:15confused and I would write the wrong one or if I'm reading somebody else's read
0:08:20it the wrong way up on reading and like everyone read so much into dropping of
0:08:24the Mac and I still don't quite understand the thinking behind it
0:08:27doesn't just the basic like well it's it's 11 fewer words simplification right
0:08:32but they can drop the mappings then you could have a stint on on Mac platforms
0:08:36and you know fast-forward like four years and like now I'm not so much
0:08:39yeah there and I was one of those ones and God bless my readers but I was like
0:08:45one of those ones where it was I mean like 30 or 40 emails over the next day
0:08:50or two from people who all suggesting the same thing that it meant that Apple
0:08:54was gonna license tho asked to you know probably not everybody but maybe like
0:09:00just for example just Dell Dell make me like I could knows you know who knows
0:09:06how these asians come to pass but you know there was that brief moment where
0:09:09they were trying to say Oosten was like the common platform Mac OS 10 or iPhone
0:09:14OS Mac OS tend to like three days when that was the case and then they
0:09:18backpedaled and then later you know took off the Mac again like you know it could
0:09:24be preparing for possibly doing that are running in the US and something that's
0:09:28not a Mac because it's like a TV thing or would like who knows what you know
0:09:32but they just it seems to have a mind of its own psyche what we're doing this
0:09:36name change and if if the name change was really going to be linked to higher
0:09:40licensing at you think will be announced at the same time it's not like you you
0:09:43change the name first and then announced a licensing later
0:09:46so the name change like has a life of its own and it's one of those things
0:09:49where Apple able to explain why you're trying to ask Apple about you know what
0:09:53to do with like the new iPad when you know and they were just they you know I
0:09:57was like talking to her political anyway it was like talking points yeah they all
0:10:03said the same thing they like you know we have a speech every time you ask us
0:10:06we just like to call the new iPad like they're reading from an index card right
0:10:09but it's in a way that is utterly a a part of nonpartisan is nothing to do
0:10:14with left-to-right liberal conservative Republican Democrat all of them are the
0:10:18same here when you get one of them in public especially like on a campaign for
0:10:24election day you just cannot knock them off the talking points even if you have
0:10:29a question that none of the talking points
0:10:31answer will just pick one of them in it and then end up like a non sequitur it
0:10:37while Apple is as disciplined or even more disciplined than political
0:10:41campaigns at the top of their game because some political campaigns you
0:10:45know good reporters can can you know trip them up or whatever but the very
0:10:49best most efficient political machines cannot be tripped up and they speak with
0:10:53one voice and they stick to the talking points and execute this strategy and
0:10:57it's like talking to a brick wall I mean you know who cares for products and a
0:11:00big deal with Apple implies that strategy to great effect so they don't
0:11:04want to explain why they changed names they're not going to and in the grand
0:11:08scheme of things it doesn't really matter so we're just left to you know
0:11:11scratch our heads and go well call now so I have a little background on that
0:11:15and it's not definitive and i cant you know it's it's off the record and again
0:11:21it's not definitive so I could be wrong but somebody that was telling me that
0:11:25they had the name iPad Aaron mind all along or at least you know like this
0:11:33product was on the road map for a while and then you don't want to call it
0:11:36iPad air but that wanting to call this year's new full-size iPad there when
0:11:44they could make it this size in this way
0:11:46was why they stopped putting the numbers after
0:11:50iPad 3 and four because they felt like if they did two more iPads with numbers
0:11:56it would create it would make the iPad air when I come out of it wasn't called
0:12:01the five make it seem like it I I think they over think stuff like this that it
0:12:05would you know that once you get two for it would have to be 5 to be better than
0:12:09before but they didn't want to call it that they want to call it there so they
0:12:13just stopped just had too much but they didn't but everybody I just call them
0:12:17everybody else I we call them the iPad 3 and iPad for ya like that that strategy
0:12:22whether they thought it was a good idea or not like all they did was traded a
0:12:26future scenario in which people expected number that's one big in the previous
0:12:30number for a more present scenario right people had almost all the same stuff
0:12:34happened when it was the new iPad and so all that stuff that happened that's what
0:12:38they were trying to avoid it was shifted forward in time but just like whatever
0:12:41you know I think it's reasonable to take the numbers off the thing but if it was
0:12:45their strategy to like we don't we don't want that burden on top of the air we
0:12:49want that burden now on top of the iPad 3 you got what you wanted in the flip
0:12:53side of that too is it makes me think that they're going to stick with the
0:12:57numbers for the iPhone if they thought about that and they didn't want to have
0:13:02these numbers and not you know eventually go away for the iPad then why
0:13:06would why are they still numbering iPhones so while you wait wait wait for
0:13:10the drop a number of the iPhone and then you know three years later the iPhone
0:13:13air this can be a thickness of a credit card is gonna exactly that's a good way
0:13:17to maybe I also think in general that not that they're not good at naming
0:13:25things but they're not good at explaining why they need things I think
0:13:28even to themselves that they just you know even without Steve Jobs there even
0:13:33as it goes on it's sort of you know they just picked names that feel right
0:13:38whether there's any sense to it or not they don't care or names that feel wrong
0:13:43like MacBook
0:13:44Marcus talking about now I mean it's you know you get used to anything anything
0:13:49but like you just have to judge a name like when you first see it and say is
0:13:54this name have any awkward aspect of it that's weird and what am i training that
0:13:57awkwardness for my train that awkwardness for better brand name
0:14:00recognition for the word mac we just took it out of the OS names I'm not sure
0:14:03what the grand strategy is their iPod and iPad relying on this you know
0:14:09different vowel sound and very similar looking letters to distinguish not the
0:14:14greatest but you know it worked out in the end like iPod Touch people call it
0:14:19the itouch like it's kind of a mess and in the end the names don't matter that
0:14:23much but certainly I would say naming is not consistent naming is not Apple
0:14:29structure you know you had to pick a weakness that's where we are recording
0:14:34us on Halloween evening I was out trick-or-treating with the boy and his
0:14:40friends earlier this evening when they had kids dads who knows what I do ask me
0:14:46he says he wants to get a new 13 inch notebook or laptop or whatever and
0:14:52wanted to know which one you should get a book or the MacBook Pro and never I
0:14:56don't think I've ever heard that one before the name if you're not in if you
0:15:00don't follow the stuff that sounds and they'll get in the front of them this AM
0:15:04certain areas like in the mix
0:15:06sometimes there's mac and is a pad and pods and people don't know people don't
0:15:11care I think I could answer form I think I think that's become a very easy
0:15:16decision to make just a little bit off topic here but to choose which MacBook
0:15:22to buy if you're I think I think if you spend a lot of time running off the
0:15:27battery you should get there
0:15:29air and if you spend most of your time with the AC cord plugged in and you
0:15:33should spend the extra couple hundred bucks and get that pro I think the
0:15:37screen is still a factor in my mind I get the Pens of you think people care
0:15:41but I think even regular people who know what a bad viewing angle is like they
0:15:45don't they can't articulate it but the life you know it it's the case that a
0:15:49lot of people still can't tell you anything written and unwritten but
0:15:52everybody can tell the difference between you know I P S and TN panels
0:15:56like they just you know the screen doesn't quite look as good as if you had
0:16:00a slightly off angle that's that's the one remaining weakness of the area and I
0:16:04still recommend it was so much easier to recommend it when none of the none of
0:16:07the machines are right now I'd like there is that there was a honeymoon
0:16:10period where which laptop max I get the default answer was 13 inch air and you
0:16:16know and then you get his wall from there and now it's like 13 inch air but
0:16:20have you seen the screen on the 13 inch red not even before the revisions that's
0:16:24those things look so nice and if you're gonna be spending all day looking at the
0:16:28actual laptop screen especially now that 13 inch you know an on-air is getting so
0:16:33thin it's it's a harder decision
0:16:36yeah it's pretty comfortable to like maybe I'm a little off but I think it's
0:16:40getting pretty close to the weight of the original Thirteen age there's as I
0:16:46quite there but like if you like I guess I just imagine the original air but it
0:16:50didn't taper
0:16:52sorry just stuff with extra battery like a bazillion times faster better battery
0:16:58life and you know everything else so much better but let me take a timeout
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0:17:38hardware you buy it and you plug it in to your home network or your office or
0:17:44you can buy to your home or office sign in with the same account and what is it
0:17:49do it works like Dropbox it just stinks that any files you put on it
0:17:54between each one if you have more than one and all the max you sign into on the
0:17:58same account what's the advantage of it while it's your device you control it
0:18:03you know where it is and there is no cloud component the only part that
0:18:07online that these guys do is the magic to sort of poke holes through your
0:18:14router your you know your home network your office network they don't do any
0:18:18storage though all they do is connect sort of the peer-to-peer basis just sort
0:18:23of get you through the you know what he called the firewall whatever you want to
0:18:29call it the router my time I seen this right on fire while he got a final they
0:18:37don't store your stuff on any kind of cloud-based system and I can't imagine I
0:18:42says her attorneys guys come on I I really can't imagine the the i mean it's
0:18:49a terrible complicated and and
0:18:52political situation with the US government and an essay in the spine and
0:18:56stuff like that that's going on with leaks coming every single week I can't
0:19:01even imagine for thought that went into them launching this product about a year
0:19:05ago and then to have this next year of news break out like this in terms of
0:19:10trying to convince people why you might want to take control and ownership of
0:19:15your distributed ubiquitous everywhere you go
0:19:20file storage they have an app for the iPhone so you can use that you can
0:19:25connect to your stuff from wherever you are even on your phone too great product
0:19:30really as works very simply very quietly it's just it it completely unobtrusive
0:19:36piece of hardware that is one thing I was 18 when I first heard about it
0:19:40months ago my first thought was what do I really want to hook up I'm lazy I
0:19:45really am and older I get the laser really wanna hook up some kinda
0:19:49complicated you know piece of storage hardware this thing is adorably little
0:19:56cute i mean it's you know fits in the palm of your hand very simple to setup
0:20:01quiet all the good things you could say about it
0:20:05where you go find out easy you go file transporter dot com slash talk TLK short
0:20:19code that way they won't know that you came from the show
0:20:23cheap you can do things what was the starting cost for this thing done you
0:20:30know as you say this point your show to 299 I think of the new one that doesn't
0:20:37have the hard drive into the cheaper than they do sell empty one that you can
0:20:41supply your own hard drive for something like that there's one you can get 1 to
0:20:44get your own unlimited private cloud here it is it's brand new a new device
0:20:49$99 that's the little park shape on as a little punk ship one to find anything I
0:20:55should also add is nothing no fees you don't pay fees no painting kind of
0:20:59monthly thing you buy that it's it's it's like a boy like you you give them
0:21:03money for hardware and then it just runs for free after that no monthly fees you
0:21:08did buy the thing and really it's it's great if you're a nerd you want to buy
0:21:12the one that doesn't come with a hard drive you put your hard drive in an
0:21:15otherwise you can get one from them at all set up ready to go right out of the
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0:21:24partnership one looks adorable reminds me of the old Griffin thing member that
0:21:29Griffin
0:21:30other big knob turned or something yeah it was like this it was this hardware
0:21:36thing you plug in USB and or is it so cold that it was ADB I think it was a
0:21:41big with USB and it was just to you does dial and you can like software you could
0:21:47make it
0:21:48control your volume you could if you wanted instead you can have it scroll
0:21:52would ever after in Kabul with it I'm sure you could you must have been able
0:22:00to be criminal not to leave play kaboom that was my favorite one of my favorite
0:22:06games for 2600 was a very good game there is a there was a whole there any
0:22:12way you want to call that there is a huge honour of classic video games which
0:22:15was going side to side caching things
0:22:20dial control electives could be just be childhood no rosy rose-colored childhood
0:22:24memory but I would love for someone to hook one of those things up to find like
0:22:28a TV with IRF interface and everything
0:22:30i hook up with period correct hardware and see what is the latency between when
0:22:36you turn that little analog knob and when you know the image moves on the
0:22:40screen it just felt like you were directly connected wired up to that
0:22:44little stack of things trying to catch up as they fall maybe the leg was
0:22:48horrendous and I just don't remember because I was so young but in my memory
0:22:51that was the most responsive I move part of my body and an image moves on the
0:22:56screen interface that I can remember Tory called it the paddle right they
0:23:02call them that that controller maybe that was the only device will maybe
0:23:09there's a newer ones that come but it was one of the weird things about or is
0:23:11it came with two sets of controllers you had said a joy sticks and a set of
0:23:15powell as it was for two totally different games are types of games my
0:23:20favorite of the genre was circus atari remember that one does not ring a bell
0:23:26who it was a really good one it was the same type of thing is you were a clown
0:23:31on a teeter totter and it just went side to side and then you add a partner who
0:23:37would jump on a trampoline to start and you had to catch him and you know you
0:23:41had to catch him on the upside of the teeter totter and then he would shoot
0:23:45you up in the air and then you'd be the No
0:23:48disco side to side and they were balloons to pop it was breakout really
0:23:52but instead of you know I don't know what the premise and breakout is your
0:23:57work
0:23:57clouds popping balloons yeah my my one friend with the 2600 must not have had
0:24:03that game it was good and it didn't look good it sounded so stupid because of
0:24:08spaceships too many guns you know the box you know showed you that you were a
0:24:14clown so is one of those 14 we got it right when we got our family 2600 for
0:24:18Christmas but I never played it and one day I was home sick like the flu or
0:24:24something miss school and I was sick and not now I was sick but I was also
0:24:30tired bored of all the games I had and then I realized there is the circus star
0:24:35game that it never really played in and put it in and had like us like seven
0:24:39continuous hours just played it look it up is a good one but it would be if it
0:24:46was absolutely dependent upon the panel would make any sense of the joystick
0:24:51yeah I think the latency was pretty good on his things I seem to recall that you
0:24:58can get it was really you can get very precise I don't think I don't think
0:25:01there was much again I we could just be the haze of twenty thirty 30 years she's
0:25:09of memories but it seems that you know is very simple
0:25:15you know there wasn't much going on there wasn't much processing going on I
0:25:19mean it was just electrical impulses from the paddle into the thing and then
0:25:23do shoot-em-up on the TV is a great book on this that I have not read but I keep
0:25:27meaning to call tracing the beam yeah I think I got a copy of that book like
0:25:31like they'd make a courtesy copy is the writer during fireball and it's like I
0:25:37never read it but I it's somewhere on my list of books actually want to read and
0:25:41I think the title is a reference to the practice of of trying to do computations
0:25:45you know the electrons being the scanning left to right to left to right
0:25:49during the rosa time of the television in New Year CRT and it was you know
0:25:53there wasn't enough memory to do anything for an entire screen image so
0:25:55what you would do is do some calculations in the beam was started
0:25:58draw them and then you would ditch what you did it start doing new calculations
0:26:01before the beam got to the road that you are figuring out what was going to look
0:26:04like right I think that's one of the reasons they end up not having read the
0:26:09book I'm surmising based but that's that's what makes you think it must have
0:26:13been pretty darn responsive is that you just so little to work with and so
0:26:15little to do that how could you take time to do anything because you know
0:26:19everything had to be respond immediately there was no like big long hard thinking
0:26:27about what you gonna do you didn't have time you just have to figure out with
0:26:30dr. going to be in throwing up on the screen and reacting but immediately
0:26:34one of my friends from college I don't think he listened to the show but if
0:26:38he's out there hello Andrew Ross good friend from college Banaue reads the
0:26:42site and he corrected me a couple weeks ago somehow pac man came up on during
0:26:50fireball and I called the bad guys
0:26:52ghosts but they weren't ghosts they were monsters that was there for you know
0:26:59what were the bad guys impact man according to the official game they were
0:27:02monsters but at re called them ghosts for the Pacman version or the Atari
0:27:08version of pac-man because they couldn't figure out a way to animate all for them
0:27:15at the same time and so they did they would dry each of them only one-fourth
0:27:20of the time and so they looked Flickr and transparent because they were only
0:27:23drawing one at a time of the four ghosts are formed monsters so they decided this
0:27:28instead of calling it a bug they renamed them ghosts and called it a feature all
0:27:33they do look kinda like those they do look kinda like right thing with a sheet
0:27:37over its head right holes cut in like a ragged bottom to the sheet you know
0:27:41right so if it quite well beyond the monsters thing is just sounds like a you
0:27:46know a bad translation of whatever the word is in Japan for these things like
0:27:50well roughly means monster will probably because you're talking to that Web stock
0:27:58now you know what I think well maybe I was maybe it was maybe it was my website
0:28:04maybe that's what it was I don't even think I linked to that talked under the
0:28:08maybe he just saw it on somebody else yeah I don't know how I saw it but
0:28:12whatever may be just the web stock account someone who retweeted it or
0:28:16whatever and I do think though that you're right though no reason that I
0:28:19remember them as ghosts because they do they have that that that classic you
0:28:23know she'd she'd over ahead look like when Charlie Brown special yeah and in
0:28:29simi kids dress like that
0:28:31me neither
0:28:34good costumes on the kids but it's alright I mean we don't get a lot of
0:28:39kids here again like maybe you know three quarters of a bowl of candies with
0:28:43the kids and they like younger kids with parents some of them are cute but
0:28:47nothing super impressive also not not a lot this year not a lot of the kids who
0:28:53are not really dressed up like the kids are a little bit too old and didn't even
0:28:57put in the effort to put on a thing for just 13 candy to trick or treating is in
0:29:03my wife goes out with the kids and I am the person who mans house so you know we
0:29:07can hand out to be a good neighbor whatever and let me tell you you can
0:29:13learn not everything needed no but you can learn a hell of a lot in about three
0:29:17seconds but every kid that comes to your door
0:29:19based on how they deal with the candy situation because some some some people
0:29:24when you come to the door they let you know immediately how it's gonna be
0:29:27I i just simply extend the bowl and do not offer any advice about how many can
0:29:33you should take or anything like that some kids asked how many can we take
0:29:37some kids don't ask just take one some condone asking take two hands the kids
0:29:42like some kids try to take one say thank you and then rotate around their friend
0:29:46coming the other side take another one and you could just like I should have
0:29:50taken his kids name down right I got your number yet ok I know about you ok
0:29:55just it is a thirty second personality tests for very young children how they
0:30:01deal with that ball candy Jonas would certainly be a eight take one he's he's
0:30:09very about asking if you extended it and the ball that he would he would region
0:30:17and very selectively pick whatever you know take a look and pick one thing that
0:30:21he thought looked best for the people asking like it's also the way they asked
0:30:25some people are asking as they just want to make sure they're not doing anything
0:30:28bad but they're also asking price they're hoping the answer is not one and
0:30:32I give different answers a different kids you know I'm running experiments
0:30:35depending on how the kids lucky you know since they won some state to really
0:30:40towards the end the night I want I want the ball to be pleased to have leftover
0:30:43can easily get higher numbers but occasionally they canceled come and I'll
0:30:47see a couple greedy people in there and one of their friends will ask and I say
0:30:50one actually liked 1 I'm trying not to interfere with the experiment but
0:30:55fascinating as you should film it should tell them take what you feel you deserve
0:31:01that's like your conscience be your guide and Elmo say to these kids but I
0:31:05feel like though you know I don't feel weird house what you've learned about my
0:31:16father's little ministers they responded to Marco and and tips to read about
0:31:21their their candy and what which can do you think would go first and you know i
0:31:26i read it later on and get the answer but I knew the answer but I didn't see
0:31:29it what were the options I didn't see the tweet was like whoppers dots like
0:31:33look at the Jolly Rancher looking things and butterfingers I think and maybe the
0:31:41range Iran's about it being dumb but I you know the kids I've learn this room
0:31:45during Halloween they love the crappiest can be whatever is just like sugar just
0:31:50like nerds or you know like donald was the first one to go there just terrible
0:31:54you know completely sure can be my memories from childhood is that you
0:31:58always go for the chocolate first even lower little crazy Snickers bar vs
0:32:02anything else like you're not get who wants a jolly rancher who wants a piece
0:32:06of gum want some nerds who wants . everyone want to talk let the kids these
0:32:10days they want sour patch kids they want dots they want skittles like and we and
0:32:15what we get is you know Snickers bars Milky Way bars three musketeers
0:32:19butterfingers and also you know skittles and some other type of candy and the
0:32:24terrible crap sugar candy always goes first
0:32:27boggles my mind I think I've told this story before I think back on the old
0:32:32show with Dan but that the gold standard for me and I my neighborhood growing up
0:32:39as a kid was always full size pack of Reese's peanut butter cups filled to max
0:32:46right you get to a whole peanut butter cups or some other similar full-size
0:32:52milk chocolate covered candy bar for Snickers or a full Hershey bar lot of
0:32:59people are doing that like it's it's a trend and just posted that s what he was
0:33:05doing but like the full size ones that was hard to get spending with the amount
0:33:08of kids that we get and I honestly I don't think their parents get a stink I
0:33:12have given like this two year old kid a Snickers bar sizes farm right you know I
0:33:19I know what it's like to have kids with the small ones you can say we can have
0:33:22one candy and the one they're not wired all night one of those Snickers bars too
0:33:26much remember there is that the state average family in my neighborhood
0:33:31and missus average was always really into Halloween she was one of those moms
0:33:35who just loved it added
0:33:37pretty quiet house and had like a second-floor porch balcony / porch on
0:33:43the second floor and they always every year they hung up a which she probably
0:33:48was one of those acres tricks of perspective or I'm sure in real life she
0:33:52wasn't actually a five-foot tall taller something but from the street it looked
0:34:00like a full-size witch on a broom hanging up there and some lighting to
0:34:06letter up in a great she always give up full size candy bars and because she
0:34:11knew me you know around the corner she would like let me take two and I and CNN
0:34:18I would be like really I would think like this is a trick you're going down
0:34:22again trouble on it except the second one right this is this can't be true
0:34:25though is that still think I don't think it's no but that these days like these
0:34:35days when the kids come we have a super bowl for a peanut-free like that's the
0:34:39level things are you know in our neighborhood right and the kids coming
0:34:43they asked for the safety of any peanut free to do here you go
0:34:47ready for it had a razor blade thing that has got to be one of those things
0:34:52that like never actually happen now I don't think it ever did but they just
0:34:56the thought of it was just there was nothing you just turn it over in your
0:35:00mind as little kids like I love candy on Halloween but biting into a piece of
0:35:04candy in finding a straight razor heading into the roof of my mouth would
0:35:07not be good don't stop til you get the candy and I remember the other 12 was
0:35:15I don't know if it was because somebody figured it out that Hayden even make
0:35:19that would actually be like kinda hard to put a razor blade and candy bar and
0:35:22then sela back up the other one was that there were rumors that some people put
0:35:27straight pins in you know like he's like the things like they give you an apple
0:35:34the Apple have the tiny thin straight razor in that you could sneak in there
0:35:37and that's just like you know you bite into an Apple you don't want to really
0:35:40be involved every year that's all just things that scare kids far as I know
0:35:44I've never read an actual documented case of it really happy when it's pretty
0:35:47amazing considering how prevalent that myth was and how much you know copycat
0:35:51people do exactly like nobody would ever think to do it until it became the
0:35:58prevalent mean and then all sorts of weirdoes I guess maybe weirdos have
0:36:03trouble attracting children to their houses there really are things like I
0:36:08don't really think it was everything where that was an actual problem but I
0:36:12know that there were things were you can take your Halloween candy to like the
0:36:16emergency room and get an x-ray and I mean that's like an actual thing in some
0:36:19places and it's like imagine if you actually like like suffered some kind of
0:36:25accident or injury on Halloween and you're waiting you're always wait too
0:36:28long the emergency room and then you gotta sit there and wait for kids to get
0:36:32their dams sectors explain their candy irradiated yeah I do stuff like that
0:36:40just make parents feel better but now I just think that offer that as a service
0:36:43at the airport to take one of the TSA lines and let kids walk through their
0:36:47candy and see if it's not then you just see the candy like they did about the
0:36:51rapper but you actually see what's inside it
0:36:53see all the hard hit the gummy bears genitalia
0:37:10Mavericks got used to the name of it like in the grand scheme of things it's
0:37:17it's weird and awkward but it's fine it's not it's not like MacBook it's not
0:37:22like we it's not embarrassing it's just eccentric just fine and apparently it it
0:37:29did start I read the story behind the name of the location some point in the
0:37:3660 I guess it until then
0:37:38surfing culture got to be big and then a bunch of surfers in the sixties found
0:37:44this great beach and one of them at a dog named maverick and that somehow that
0:37:49and I nuno's of its apocryphal or not but that it came from that the beach was
0:37:53Mavericks because it was that's where the dog maverick hang out while his
0:37:57owners surged
0:37:59you're enjoying a long distinguished line of people who have been telling me
0:38:03the origin of the name by reciting to me or summarizing to me the very thing that
0:38:10I linked and the paragraph and I never relinquish its like handling I bet
0:38:16there's too many this time but the point is you have people like you may not know
0:38:21this but Mavericks is actually about you know a lot of people just simply
0:38:25reciting or copying pasting the actual page link to Wikipedia page about the
0:38:29thing and the second strain of Corrections this is people saying it's
0:38:33not actually plural possessive because I get this right is not possessive lot one
0:38:39person had the presence of mind to think to the other thing which is my second go
0:38:43to that I was gonna like this but I don't have too many thanks I just like
0:38:46to the Wikipedia page page explained that when the new place names and their
0:38:50possessive they tend to drop the apostrophes
0:38:53like that has historical precedent st. Mary's or whatever it's St period Mary's
0:38:58but without the apostrophe so yeah I know I totally understand where the name
0:39:02comes from I understand what it is but you know if you don't know the backstory
0:39:06and you see Mavericks it reads as plural and most people don't know or care
0:39:10understand the backstory and that's why it's awkwardly pillar is it really
0:39:14parole is it you know it's a plural possessive but you know whatever you
0:39:18decide but there's a certain awkwardness do it but you no matter where the people
0:39:21know
0:39:22Mike and its distinctive and hey it's not a cat right so you know we're off in
0:39:26a new direction in there there are plenty of places in California to go to
0:39:30next to McDonalds still have the friendlies dropped it that just friendly
0:39:39by two singular yeah we're headed with today's switch to face the added 'as
0:39:46because everybody called at Friendlys right and so used to be singular
0:39:49friendly and for the longest time we had one near I grew up that had a sign on
0:39:55like a big fancy signer brick building the didn't have the apostrophe s on it
0:39:58and i would tell people you know the place action and friendly right there
0:40:01like no I don't come look at the sign that they would swear that signs his
0:40:04family until you get out there and look at it and then it's like almost falling
0:40:07off nope we had to give in
0:40:10we had to in my vague hometown area growing up and one of them was a
0:40:16Friendly's and one was a friendly and I noticed stuff like that and I always
0:40:21wondered in the end this is before you can look stuff up on the internet I
0:40:24always wondered whether perhaps they were two rival brands like McDowell's
0:40:30redhead that they you know that some jerk you know started you know friendly
0:40:34after friendlies started because they didn't register the trademark on the non
0:40:39possessive or something like that
0:40:41get a Sunday any Yankees Cup because all I could think was otherwise it doesn't
0:40:45make any sense why wouldn't you enforce consistency across all of your friends
0:40:48they did slowly did you get you have one of those still remember having those
0:40:52there was like the upside down plastic baseball cap
0:40:54yeah I still think I have it Yankees version that somewhere I don't know if I
0:41:00got one of friendlier where I got that but I do remember having a little yeah a
0:41:05little plastic batting helmet roughly the size of a scoop ice cream a pretty
0:41:11good deal considering the crap that you get with like happy meals and stuff now
0:41:15that you know they just gave you that is the thing they served ice cream many
0:41:17take it home and you got a nice little something might actually want to keep
0:41:21and I'm similar license for major league baseball is the real logo on it had
0:41:25McDonalds still has the apostle of I wonder like did you have the Phillies
0:41:30hats or something really think about it but we had Yankees things
0:41:35I don't know if I don't know how I got the one that had a Yankees 1900 old days
0:41:40when the only thing they just seem the entire country recognized the whole
0:41:45country is angry that I don't know how that a no or i you know for all I know I
0:41:51remember getting it I just remember having it for all I know somebody's some
0:41:54relative of mine got it somewhere else and you know let's get one of those for
0:41:58John keep it for him but I remember having a little at Mavericks and going
0:42:10off into baseball yeah I really thought this would be the show where there
0:42:13wasn't any baseball the episode where they could not be like could have this
0:42:18this could have been preempted by game 7 yeah I could have been I kinda had a bad
0:42:22feeling about the Cardinals and how much i neva not pay attention to it all but
0:42:27like my Twitter feed is still politically like like like a contact
0:42:30contact i from baseball talk I was going to write down my dad's big baseball fan
0:42:37and we're talking the other day and I guess he's doing he does not like I've
0:42:41said this many times he does not like the American League doesn't like the
0:42:44designated hitter rule so he just you know he watches sports and he likes
0:42:48baseball but he doesn't want a lot of you won't just say if it's too american
0:42:51league teams playing on TV ESPN or something he won't watch it so he was
0:42:56really kind unaware of the whole beard situation with the Red Sox until I mean
0:43:01it heard about it was watching the World Series and he was like he said the Red
0:43:06Sox look like the type of guys you saw a couple of them in the bus station you
0:43:10just walk away and I i no bad thing but only like you know academically like I
0:43:17understand the concept tonight caught a piece of a game and I'm like all right
0:43:20this is out of control and someone had a good tweet I forget it was actually in
0:43:25poker now may be a comedian saying you know have two series The the Red Sox let
0:43:30me go back to their normal jobs of driving carriage for the Amish like they
0:43:35were the same serious beard like you know jebediah caliber beer it's
0:43:40published out of these people and you know it just looks like to take the
0:43:44people who don't you know
0:43:45don't base yeah they don't it's not a good look like a little scruffy is good
0:43:52but once it goes out into you know size homeless person like that's just too
0:43:58much is not doesn't look it doesn't look classy know if I don't know enough about
0:44:07baseball to know you I see you making the comments about the weird alternate
0:44:10uniforms and stuff like that but all sports teams go through some awkward
0:44:15phase but their outfits but if you had to pick a team that is the apple of
0:44:19baseball would be the eggs with the pinstripes like it's classy and simple
0:44:23and straightforward and even their logo is you know it's not like you know we
0:44:28are still looking thing I Red Sox have a certain class to me when you have some
0:44:31of the big giant beard and like the the bright saturated red is a little bit
0:44:36Ronald McDonald it does it did
0:44:40accentuate the unknown unnamed Kunis of the Red Sox Yankees in fact famously
0:44:46I'll always had a good grooming code like in the seventies and maybe even
0:44:56early eighties when men's fashion hairstyles for longer
0:45:00Yankees would occasionally get dinged by George Steinbrenner like a go getta go
0:45:04get a haircut done manually exception only got in trouble for his hair at one
0:45:11point later in his career and it just became like a weird thing like and i was
0:45:16just sort of like an eighties mullet I pluck and I wasn't really long hair but
0:45:20I don't know it was like steinbrenner gotta being as bonded over it and
0:45:24but Mattingly was already like the team captain and a perennial all-star and I
0:45:30just remember as a kid thinking it was a silly thing for the Yankees be worried
0:45:34about because they stunk at the time and also the facial hair they did you can't
0:45:39you know they've been working at Disney or something like that when you're in
0:45:42the eighties you can't can't can't can't scare the kids that you know that not
0:45:45only had the big handlebar right you have a mustache beard and get away with
0:45:53it I know that there's some pitches a lot of pitchers who don't like don't
0:45:56like to shave before they pitch so you could you can go like three or four days
0:46:00without shaving you you don't have to shave everyday but you can't grow a
0:46:04beard
0:46:05you know catches quasimodo doesn't yet know nobody ever sees no one ever sees
0:46:13their face or their prehensile tails a sad to see the big cat names go now
0:46:20cause I think they're out like I would like to see links in there somewhere but
0:46:24get the only one that they that they left on the floor that's kind of cool
0:46:27names got an X in it is interesting but that would have to be kind of like a
0:46:31middle name months ago lion where can you go i mean not even mountain lions
0:46:34cop-out like yeah I guess it's like a lion but different permount mine is you
0:46:38know nothing about the lines you know it's it's not lightning bug and
0:46:41lightning but it's close
0:46:42yeah and Snow Leopard was sort of worked on two levels where I got them an extra
0:46:48year without coming up with a new cat and it really did fit that that release
0:46:54in terms of it
0:46:55famously being the look quote-unquote no new features release and Snow Leopard
0:47:00look cool you know I get a pic cool links is probably don't look back over
0:47:05the name is cool so that's probably the only one they do and it's kind of a
0:47:08shame they never got like when they did cheat and Puma they were not into the
0:47:13putting the cat branding out your face yeah there was just behind the scenes
0:47:17and then they burn those two names and like and she is great as like the
0:47:20ultimate inside joke but the people who put whatever you start with alcohol
0:47:26I am I even went yeah I tend to think I don't even know if that's the origin if
0:47:31it was it wasn't like hey let's give them big cat names it was oh my god this
0:47:35thing is so slow let's call it cheetah internally and then somehow woodstock
0:47:40and as the wine names which the least they had the good sense to marking
0:47:44Department of the good sense not to try to go with the wine names but they
0:47:46continue to have dinner know about this
0:47:49yeah they all have you know a super secret code name is pushing out of the
0:47:56when the code is being a Jaguar resist or to become the the marking them as
0:48:00well they have one names and I get around to me you know that but like I
0:48:06even up to life in line was like parole or something I don't drink wines Pinot
0:48:11was it was maybe and 34 something I remember that if some some apple person
0:48:17could send you an email and tell you all the names were and are but if you if you
0:48:21like great through the various shell scripts and other readable things
0:48:25occasionally you can find a commenter a reference to a name of wine and that's
0:48:29what they're talking about
0:48:30I figured if I talked about this and if I did I would think it might have been
0:48:34when you run the show also could have been in person at WWDC I don't know but
0:48:40if I'm repeating myself forgive me either I forget what it's been on the
0:48:43show three months ago but the other names that were went unused but couldn't
0:48:51for obvious reasons I was talking to somebody else about him was you know how
0:48:55could they if they wanted to how good they've got another cat cougar which
0:49:01they didn't want to use for the connotation in pop culture of older
0:49:06women who chase young men but cooler is a pretty cool you know until recently I
0:49:12think they could use that I think that that usage of Cougar is kind of a
0:49:17a modern thing and I think they could have gotten over that I don't I don't
0:49:22know that that the snickering over calling aversion cougar would have
0:49:26lasted any longer than the snickering over iPad yeah it was perfectly
0:49:32serviceable name right you know what is it it's called the big 12 maxi pad you
0:49:39know I think Cougars have you know I mean there is John Cougar Mellencamp
0:49:42it's pretty cool cat was the other one can remember there is one more that they
0:49:51could isolate is you know is one I think I swear I've had this conversation
0:49:59before I just can't remember if it was on the show and I Jonas used to play in
0:50:04when he was seven and eight year old little league teams in the league he
0:50:09played here in Philly all the teams had big cat names and I think that there
0:50:14were ten or eleven teams in the league so where was little bit more than you
0:50:19know maybe they're 12 teams so is more than OS releases in there there was an
0:50:24ocelots which i think is probably the worst most of the kids can't even spell
0:50:30that and the other cool cat was one of his team names and they did I know that
0:50:35Apple considered it I think if they have gone one more this is the one they would
0:50:38be used was Wildcats yeah I mean I a lot of these names as you know any
0:50:45biologists points out the like different names for the same actual animal and the
0:50:48known by different names and Wildcat I'm assuming is you know what the hell is a
0:50:53wildcat right right but like the Wildcat is a 12 definitely has you have to type
0:50:59that something has to be something while the bed like right Mavericks is like
0:51:03those little bit maverick different or whatever but not it doesn't like Wildcat
0:51:07like Wildcat could be like when you do you know I was six to seven times
0:51:11transition Wildcats wild
0:51:13but you can't just let you get to slap that on something like a bad call this
0:51:17one Wildcat all the reviews of like this is very wild even now like a lot of them
0:51:23are like it's a even mine like it's not particularly maverick I made that point
0:51:27the end of its like kinda like it was the slowest maverick is not really you
0:51:32know boldly asserting you know new direction it's kind of not however I am
0:51:39gonna spoil it I'm going to assume you know hopefully I think that you know
0:51:43anybody out there is listening if you had plenty of time to read John's
0:51:49reviews so I mean I don't want to spoil it but at the end you you said it was
0:51:52for western wear anthropomorphic you you cast as as OS 10 woody allen and you
0:52:00said iOS would be the suave call Brad Pitt
0:52:04totally see Brad Pitt as iOS anthropomorphism I wouldn't say woody
0:52:09allen well I say not not the OS but this particular is kinda like you will you
0:52:16know I don't know about this whole thing we can get the word out there but I
0:52:21think everything is ok to leave the felt in Game Center but like what you like
0:52:28it's like dion is kind of cool some of his movies you know but he also can get
0:52:34easily flustered and seems uncertain right and so this thing is like it's
0:52:37it's kind of got a little bit of you know
0:52:40woody allen is smart and resourceful and and and introspective like those the
0:52:46subject to the same time for introspection seems like a list and is
0:52:48like looking itself in the mirror and know what to do with my life and swiped
0:52:52awful lot of the crap that was added all those applications make him look like
0:52:55books and apps but it's also done to this point is white the stuff off like
0:52:59it just smear smear smear glad they're gone from County but it's not like I let
0:53:04me just radically rethink all these applications and some of them did you
0:53:06get time to clean up so it it it knows it doesn't want to be but it doesn't
0:53:10want to be but doesn't even have the time to rewind it and so that's why I'm
0:53:14looking for something it's like you know what do people of different impressions
0:53:19of Woody Allen's that's difficult say like when
0:53:21most people would not think of the Woody Allen like maybe if you're in Iraq New
0:53:26Yorker you will look up to the island and some degree was other people might
0:53:30look at woody allen is just entirely like the you know sort of nervous
0:53:33waiting fidgeting type of thing but there admiral things about woody allen
0:53:37but he also has that angle of uncertainty in the you know always
0:53:40question himself yeah I guess there is this sort of introspection is a good way
0:53:47to put it where that's really where most of the changes and Mavericks are i mean
0:53:51i mean it's it's really obvious you don't have to read it
0:53:5524,000 Board Review to figure out that it doesn't really look different than
0:53:59before
0:54:00other than as you said in the case of specific apps that have been teased s
0:54:08words school more sized the apt 4d forestall do you forestall right but
0:54:16what did they end up looking like they've really all those apps you know
0:54:19contacts and it really does look like Generic apps you know it's just a very
0:54:28straightforward right out of a pocket and not even that because if you had
0:54:34made them straight without kids they would not be like they are what they are
0:54:37is like underneath like like makeup if you wipe out all the makeup underneath
0:54:41areas like just the thing that was always under the strangely structured
0:54:45like that like you know contacts where they had three panes out of the book
0:54:48once you get rid of the book art it's like what I ever make this window if I
0:54:53didn't know that previously had started to the book type thing and they made the
0:54:56three panes more or less independently resizable so you can get it into
0:54:59arrangements they would never correspond to a book that always had to be split
0:55:02down the middle but if you just started from scratch and make new contacts when
0:55:05do you never make a window like that it only makes sense if you look at all I
0:55:08see it used to be covered the book you know like our aura the the Notes
0:55:13application OIC this used to be yellow lined paper in the sidebar now just kind
0:55:17of like this page thing like you have to know where it came from the current
0:55:20Windows to make sense otherwise they look kind of small and squinty in
0:55:23strange and weird fonts and don't look like you know Mac outside all day look
0:55:27like iOS apps that have
0:55:28scoured down that's more or less what they are and I assume its good enough
0:55:32time to do anything else they sure as hell not
0:55:36not ship in that letter stuff anymore that was the easiest ok just replace it
0:55:39with a great throw a little bit of the you know then held that occasion there
0:55:43for like a month or whatever but they're they're not entirely rethought its just
0:55:47like you know backpedaling yeah note in particular I think really kind of sticks
0:55:53out to you can like double click on oat open it into its own window but it it
0:55:58doesn't have a standard window title bar all it's used to be like a little while
0:56:04sticking out and now they're not that yellow anymore now is just like a weird
0:56:07when he doesn't doesn't make it doesn't read that well and and I reminders kept
0:56:12like whatever the crazy black stuff is like well didn't have time to read your
0:56:16mind the next time they get to redo Game Center is just too much graphics and all
0:56:19those people too busy working on iOS 7 now and you know whatever sort of like
0:56:26if you want to go at the end there were more fires damn it's sort of like
0:56:31somebody who's like sobered up after a long bender and Game Center is like the
0:56:40face tattoo yes sort of
0:56:43or you know it's you know maybe a face tattoos a little tough but little little
0:56:48out there but yes the hangover but it's you know it's the lampshade on the head
0:56:54you know and that's like you know just like cheese I'm just gonna put out
0:57:01t-shirt
0:57:03addressed to the introspection know I did you know so yeah they look and feel
0:57:13is obviously it's really just taking out those over the top school more fit
0:57:18resources and that's really the extent of significant changes to the way it
0:57:23looks i mean IQ change the document I mean like they always screw yea doc on
0:57:29the side looks different now yeah
0:57:30there are so few there are so few user interface elements they're guaranteed to
0:57:34be visible s10 the doc is that like the dock menu bar in the window title bars
0:57:39like that's the look of the OS because there's not too much of the surface area
0:57:42anytime they changed dockets like that's that's the one thing you know is going
0:57:46to be in people's faces and let me know so most of the changes you know how do
0:57:52you read the 24,000 where review of an OS two didn't really change that much
0:57:55the way it looks
0:57:57it's you know the stuff that's new is under the hood and it's really sort of a
0:58:02deep by it is sort of introspective it so why are we doing this why we why have
0:58:07we spent all this time over the decades leading the background processes
0:58:13consumers much CPU time as they could and I what it what is the purpose of the
0:58:17OS what is the job of the US DOT job used to be like give every process all
0:58:21the resources they need to manage access to the hardware and coordinate the mall
0:58:24now them you know just maximize it and now it's like you know like the parent
0:58:29was too permissive
0:58:30realizes like what what is the purpose of being a parent is it just to give you
0:58:33get everything they want maybe not like I can't talk about my house I was shown
0:58:39you know because you had to have you had a choice like you're on a phone you can
0:58:42have all that crap in the background and there was that there's that story that I
0:58:47don't remember the source of this maybe you do it like Steve Jobs
0:58:50I'm the source of the story I wanted to tell you this this is my story well I
0:58:55wasn't there but I dunno I spoke to someone who was there it was after the
0:59:04IP original iPad was unveiled so it's 2010 and you know the secret project
0:59:10everybody does something something Apple doing a tablet but you know and like any
0:59:14Apple project only the people who worked on the iPad knew about the iPad before
0:59:19it came out i mean the iOS team news
0:59:23but then after it came out and everybody in Apple knew what it was and then he
0:59:27could do in there was a meeting with the hardware team for the MacBook hardware
0:59:31team and it was what we gonna do for the next map and you know and jobs had been
0:59:37on his first medical leave the when I first but the first two years of his
0:59:43life in 20 2009 he'd been gone a lot of the time it was when he came back that
0:59:49first that whenever the medical leave that started with Kim canceling the
0:59:54Macworld keynote in this etcetera and was when he came back in the summer as I
0:59:58was gonna do with maybe less time that he can spend spend the rest of that
1:00:03you're doing original iPad but it really devoted himself to him he knew the iPad
1:00:08in and out and so is next meeting with the MacBook people this must have been
1:00:12pretty late March of 2010 it could take a manner many expect it was like
1:00:19budgeted at like three hours was like a three hour meeting with Steve Jobs the
1:00:24line when he came in carrying an iPad and they were all the existing MacBooks
1:00:31run the table and he said here look at this this is a sleep and touch the
1:00:36button on your iPad and it instantly turned on because now it's a wake
1:00:39because I can do it again turned it off he says now it's a sleep now at awake he
1:00:45goes why can I do that on this and pointed to a Macbook and any just left
1:00:50the room and it's the same thing that we all felt like you know the iPhone to
1:00:58begin with is like that's why it seems so magical you use it and you're like
1:01:01why is this thing that I know is like one especially the original iPhone 1
1:01:0610000 as powerful as the Mac why does it feel so why does it feel so fast
1:01:11why does it feel so responsive what kind of unfair to the Mac Book hardware team
1:01:16that's who he was talking to you it's not just a hardware solution is found in
1:01:22the software side of that coming it's like you know all these things that I
1:01:26always does
1:01:27to YouTube to be there responsible hardware
1:01:32finally getting them back to get some of their religion do less stop only do what
1:01:36the user asks you what they asked immediately everything else you know get
1:01:41screwed and that you can't do that entirely on the back of the part of the
1:01:44package uses be able to run all the stuff in the background but if you did
1:01:47you spend any time with the command-line tools like SMS usage in the old days I
1:01:52see usage and show you what's going on your system
1:01:55overseas in particular I'm always looking at what the hell is grinding
1:01:59disc today so much crap just just run the scene on your machine FSM underscore
1:02:04usages should be in your path if you got that may be part of the dev tools look
1:02:08at how many processes adjust your disk tell me like one of these things doing
1:02:12something really need to be checking this preference file 30 times a second
1:02:16you know it's sometimes I have written a bug reports for a program to say your
1:02:20program is look looking at this Feist adding the smile like a literally
1:02:25hundreds of times a second
1:02:27like that seems excessive don't do that and and Mavericks is you know like what
1:02:31is the role of the OSCE introspection and maybe the role of the USS that is to
1:02:34say I don't care how fast you want to check that file if you're not the
1:02:38process of the users interact with your some faceless demon and something else
1:02:42going on and more important things are happening you're gonna be throttled I'm
1:02:46gonna give you less CPU time and you know that's always been no process
1:02:49priority and stuff like that but I'm a ghost has always prioritize the
1:02:53interactive task over the 90 director once the Mavericks is really cranking it
1:02:57up not just giving us time but also trying to have fewer of those things
1:03:01happening and it's kind of weird happening at the same time that I S
1:03:04seven is finally saying OK couple of applications can run in the background
1:03:07kinda like you do in the Mac like you know I was used to beat the system
1:03:11regime where nobody gets around only one process it once and now you know with a
1:03:16seven is that they don't have enough CPU power to say okay we can open up the
1:03:19policy can run in the background
1:03:22subject of some description restrictions and you know the Mac is coming from the
1:03:25other direction trying to lock everything
1:03:27down but it's one of those things where I feel like you had to go all the way to
1:03:31the iOS iPhone and iPad to sort of open your eyes to to these questions the
1:03:38questions didn't occur prior to that
1:03:41like why would you let an application that the user can even see why are we
1:03:48letting it spend as much CPU time is it wants to update its you I you know that
1:03:54doesn't make any sense whereas iOS that's like when you think when you sit
1:03:58there and think why why why does the ipad get amazing battery life and one of
1:04:04the things is even now that it has multitasking and you can keep multiple
1:04:09apps in memory to some degree and you get a real win out of that when you
1:04:13switch you know if you're if you're switching from male to Safari to your
1:04:18Twitter client and all three of them can stay in and open in RAM they may not be
1:04:24doing stuff in the background but then when you switch to them it's right there
1:04:27where you left off and there's no weight at all but on the other hand it's not
1:04:31doing anything in the background that you don't need that and all of a sudden
1:04:37I think that you know Apple is clearly asking why can't the Mac be more like
1:04:40that about Steve Jobs story at that time and you know to this day but at that
1:04:48time as well
1:04:48Max had an amazing reputation for being the laptop that wakes from sleep really
1:04:53really fast like the gold standard of the industry you know and like even
1:04:57among PC users they see how fast this before that meeting they had this
1:05:00reputation and it's exactly is it totally Steve Jobs move to come into the
1:05:04room and the one thing he picks on as the one thing that that MacBooks are
1:05:08universally recognized as being the best in the industry and that's the thing
1:05:11that he's as crap and why the crap because Apple itself had made a device
1:05:14that shows you know don't don't be satisfied merely by being laptop to wake
1:05:18from sleep the fastest there's a whole other realm of possibility over here on
1:05:22this little thing right
1:05:23don't just compare yourself to the Windows PCs right and and the thing
1:05:28about the iPad I remember back in the day and I find myself looking into this
1:05:31I think I even in there if you like the iPad was so amazing
1:05:34hour battery life that's when laptops for like three and four hour battery
1:05:37life and you look at you like how the hell does this thing have a 10 hour
1:05:42battery life when the battery for like a MacBook Pro or whatever
1:05:48weighs more than the entire iPad we have this huge battery and we got like three
1:05:53hours may have a better it so skinny that we're going to shove in the back
1:05:56and they continue to happen is the better get skinnier and skinnier it was
1:06:00like you know the Mac laptops had bigger batteries and now finally with
1:06:04maverick's as well like finally Mac laptops are getting the benefit of
1:06:11having just massively more battery than than the iPad iPad now has a little tiny
1:06:15sliver iPad areas like a battery is probably a sheet of paper inside there
1:06:18you know there's no room in their batteries so tiny compared to the
1:06:22battery in 15 inch MacBook Pro which is just you know seven big chunky cells and
1:06:27I just a small bit like and like a MacBook Air with running Mavericks are
1:06:32getting like you know 14 15 hours about her life so now suddenly the world makes
1:06:36sense again the thing with the bigger battery does get more battery life
1:06:39whereas before I was like the thing with the bigger battery gets a third of the
1:06:42battery life of the iPad why in the world does not even the 11 inch MacBook
1:06:47Air which could has the smallest battery of any MacBook cuz it's the smallest
1:06:53anything but if it weighs two and a half times as much as an iPad how could it
1:07:00not get better battery life
1:07:02matches yea but it was you know and I think it's only really with this year's
1:07:06models that it really jump past and like you said with maverick's it's clearly
1:07:10passed it I mean it's as well as the big part of it in terms of like it you know
1:07:14the hardware that was the big win you know get getting the CPU putting more
1:07:18stuff on the chip you know like we're not it's not an A seven system-on-a-chip
1:07:21yet but like where they're going towards each other and then the software side of
1:07:25it is the other half of that ok we have the CPU and chipset the table to not use
1:07:29a lot of power is not doing it now it's the OS is job to make sure we're not
1:07:34doing anything when we're not doing anything
1:07:36well you you but you ran your own tests for your review where you you know it's
1:07:41like a real world tests on some kind of abstract benchmark
1:07:45it was loading web pages waiting a couple seconds you know maybe the
1:07:50simulate actually you know looking at the web page and then closing in
1:07:55loading more yeah I got a new found a new family always had respect for an
1:08:00antagonist people thought the benchmarks were doing benchmarks like this like
1:08:03synthetic ones are so much nicer caused a repeatable but I'm doing real
1:08:06benchmark using real websites right and 30 websites vary from day to day right
1:08:11and you install the Flash plugin
1:08:15a real-world usage but then if if if your advertisements that are flash based
1:08:20consumed CPU it matters which adds look yet and it's like I would have to say
1:08:25I'm trying to trying to compare Mavericks to mountain lion and I you
1:08:29know you'd run I don't have one machine TestInside run the Mavericks when I
1:08:33reboot great for the battery charger on the next one and I kept getting I was
1:08:38getting such variability on the mountain lion on average when they're pretty
1:08:40consistent but the mountains on just very like crazy and so you know I went
1:08:45the numbers in the review our direct numbers from runs right but we had many
1:08:49many runs and I was like should I average done should I not I just kind of
1:08:52took one and actual run that was kind of in the middle but they vary its like
1:08:56what is the weather on the Internet today in terms of flash and crap and if
1:09:00it's a bad flash and weather day on the internet the machine that willingly runs
1:09:04flash ads is gonna get slaughtered and maverick's like I'm care with the flash
1:09:08and weather is like a load the Flash nine but I'm not gonna let it auto play
1:09:11like I intentionally pick pages that occasionally had auto playing ads
1:09:15YouTube and occasionally as well like I was trying to pick you know sites that
1:09:20might go to the test itself I think it was gentle like it was a light usage
1:09:26task is it was like go to web pages change to attempt to go to a txt Edit
1:09:29dollar-yen an ally of tax let the autosave thing work
1:09:32hi the window show the window bring this tab to the front pipe that tab like but
1:09:36it's really like yousuch you know not doing anything strenuous but also in
1:09:39that respect it's not representative of you actually that using a hammer and a
1:09:42computer I just wanted to see like what kind of percentage increase could we get
1:09:46and I was trying to get no demo app nap making sure that was a factor like I was
1:09:51stopping for like five seconds at least between
1:09:53changing tabs to simulate like reading some 25 seconds and that's enough time
1:09:57for a nap to kick in and flash was there demonstrate the amazing benefit you get
1:10:02by Donato playing flash ads even though flash was installed like you know so
1:10:06it's if you will read it and they should look at the mountain I never did not
1:10:10currently getting 12 or 13 hours out of mountain lion you're not gonna get
1:10:14fourteen hours out of Mavericks it's like the percentage increases probably
1:10:18represented but you know the absolute values like it depends on your battery
1:10:22but that it it it does seem true them in a really just seems bottom-line true and
1:10:28I it's one of those things that seems it's and it sounds too good to be true
1:10:32and everybody naturally sort of just think so let's see when you know Craig
1:10:38Federici first ran through the features back at WWDC of Mavericks and said that
1:10:45you know we can get with these things that we're doing you know app nap and
1:10:49coalesced network and tires yeah and I owe you know that you can even just
1:10:57collapsed hitting you know hitting hard drive that you can you know that adds up
1:11:03and you're gonna get you know I don't twenty thirty percent more battery life
1:11:07just by upgrading to the new OS that sounds too good to be true you know and
1:11:12Apple wouldn't I asked if they had any kind of number that they were going to
1:11:15throw out there is a marking type thing and you know I'd really didn't expect
1:11:18anything and to their credit they didn't give one because this is the thing about
1:11:21battery life with the whole the whole game here is you're not like the battery
1:11:26has the energy is the CPU has Angie has not so I was trying to visit with the
1:11:30graph showing WABC like look at the CPU uses like nothing when you're not using
1:11:35it but it uses 25 watts when you're when you're hammering it like it's a 54 watt
1:11:40hour battery do the math how many hours do you get when you're using 25 watts
1:11:44batteries 54 yr you don't get twelve that's for sure
1:11:47like that's the thing about battery usage and let's talk about the
1:11:50application so much is that you get this
1:11:53you get this new OS and you go out and put on your machine you like wow it
1:11:56really battery life increased there is nothing the OS can do if you're running
1:12:00a bunch of crap that is just you know your CPU GPU constantly like the OS can
1:12:05stop that if you have some third party thing
1:12:07in your menu bar during 60 frames a second car that is gonna suck your power
1:12:10like a vampire like Mavericks asshole trick is it doesn't magically make more
1:12:13battery and makes less stuff go on to go on your good like you could burn your
1:12:19your battery just as fast as you can amount to be just a bad application just
1:12:23one bad application so what do you call it that the wall of shame in energy
1:12:30shaming it's a great idea and I think it's one of my favorite part of your
1:12:34review because I noticed the feature and that's interesting and it shows in for
1:12:41anybody doesn't know it's like when you go to the battery meter in the menu bar
1:12:44and I swear that show up on desktop I would I want to look for it recently I
1:12:51wish that showed up on desktops because even though I don't have battery power I
1:12:54want to know what the hell is stealing my CPU citrate my desk and doing all
1:12:57this crap right so they they it sits in the battery meter so I guess you don't
1:13:01see it on to the low battery thing in the menu bar and you pull it down and in
1:13:05addition to telling you stuff it used to tell you you know whether you show the
1:13:10percentage or not or just show the icon and it now has a list of apps using
1:13:15significant energy and so they called posited in terms of energy but like you
1:13:21said it also means which apps are slowing my system down if there's an app
1:13:26using thirty percent of your CPU even if you're plugged into AC if you're using a
1:13:30Mac Pro or iMac or something you'd still like to know about that out because if
1:13:35you can make it stop doing that your machine will be fast and it's brutal
1:13:39because like crystal shows the icon so like hear your faces out there you know
1:13:44and the battery manual like people know about the better man une like they just
1:13:49know about it like it's it's they like that on the menu bar that they don't
1:13:52just look a little icon like it is very likely to be found as you can get all
1:13:55the same information that is going activity monitor but nobody knows about
1:13:57activity there so if you look at the menu it's it's putting in front of
1:14:02marlys regular users faces potentially your application icon and like I said
1:14:08there have you like if I was a developer I would be kind of annoyed by this
1:14:12because you just know the support email you like all your apps using significant
1:14:16it's a game you're playing the game of course
1:14:20it's not magic like and your app is gonna show up just gonna have to field
1:14:23request after West about like yes I know people are going to complain but it's
1:14:28it's the only way to do it to get you no shame that people who really need to be
1:14:31shamed like you're stupid to think that I'm not even using issue with the health
1:14:36of the right leg and and when you select from the menu it goes to activity
1:14:40monitor with the application highlighted like as in kill me now those equipped
1:14:45but dried up and they're like it's like volunteering to say this year's to get
1:14:49the application you wanna kill it off just click this big red stop sign button
1:14:52in the toolbar Markel it so the day the Mavericks came out my friend James
1:15:00Duncan Davidson the photographer he just emailed me with your boy screenshot of
1:15:08his appt shame list which listed Photoshop and he said this is Renault
1:15:15documents and you know and now there's things where it's like if you really do
1:15:23you know if Photoshop is who knows what the hell is doing but if it's doing
1:15:28something where it's using can significantly energy don't even have a
1:15:32document open but you were professional work is such that you need Photoshop
1:15:39what do you know this is what you're getting at though you're not you know
1:15:42computers there D be used for something right but Mavericks isn't going to
1:15:47magically make that less painful on your battery and the thing is that's not
1:15:53instantaneous snapshot of like looking at Activity Monitor top-rated like that
1:15:57and he stopped his averaged over a long period of time so it's trying to say it
1:16:01like in the past 10 minutes fifty minutes our whatever the given activity
1:16:04monitor like the average energy and packed like it's not like right now I'm
1:16:08not doing anything Photoshop why is it in the menu it's in the menu because
1:16:11over the past little while that's been the guy that's been using a lot of your
1:16:15hand she even if you're not doing it right now so if he was just saying I
1:16:18don't have any documents but now it's still on the menu yeah it's going to be
1:16:20on the menu but if you haven't touched Photoshop and 10 15 20 minutes it's
1:16:24still on the menu then maybe something's gone wrong like obviously it's there
1:16:28it's their kind of unfairly and its I think the the annoying users who are
1:16:33going to send an email to developers maybe not go because they're not gonna
1:16:36listen to whatever but you know if you're if you make some little
1:16:39application and you keep sending you email maybe it'll make you you know he's
1:16:44a session about how can I make my application energy more energy efficient
1:16:47because there are so many crew that regular developers can do an apple
1:16:52trying to preach to them and WBC saying oh you know having session after session
1:16:55about here's how you be energy efficient they've been doing that for years and
1:16:58developers alike yeah yeah whatever now for the support loading your customers
1:17:02realize that you're doing something silly then maybe like ok fine I'll go
1:17:06look at the sessions and our launch an application yeah and I don't know it's
1:17:10just one of those cultural things were maybe you know it's like we all do you
1:17:14know it's like the way that you know certain values get get hammered just
1:17:22kind of become ingrained overtime like you know I don't know maybe a bad
1:17:26analogy but when I grew up you know nobody had car seats and kids just stood
1:17:30in the back seat and jumped up and down into you got to where you're going now
1:17:33if you saw like a four year old kids standing in the back seat of car you'd
1:17:37be appalled you would call please I wouldn't you know that diana right well
1:17:45I don't want to die just wish I could just send like thought his way and hope
1:17:50that his parents aren't safe drivers I don't get involved so terrible would you
1:17:56call the police talk to me about it
1:18:03but you know collectively we we've shared we've we've we've raised the
1:18:08importance of safety in cars you know collectively you know where adults are
1:18:13expected to be wearing seat belts seat belts are expected to be you know you
1:18:17know we expect even more now we have airbags and side impact airbags we have
1:18:22all the stuff you're expected to you know survivalist car crashes you know
1:18:27it's just become a priority and I think that energy usage and and doing you know
1:18:32just every little step along the way you know prioritizing these things as gotta
1:18:37become like a developer priority yeah I remember what I actually said but I was
1:18:43tempted to say that that little menu that little presence in the menu bar is
1:18:46like the most important energy saving feature of the OS term paper because
1:18:49it's it's the part you can do all you want with the internals and all you
1:18:53would develop evangelism but it's like it's so hard to you know it's as I eat
1:18:57your vegetables it's so hard to get people to care about this you need
1:19:00something what's going to move the needle on this one aspect of this
1:19:04because that's the worst thing that could have happened up and that's one of
1:19:06the reasons that I ran my Mavericks energy test with only Apple supply
1:19:10applications plus flash is because if third-party developers don't get on
1:19:15board with this there's nothing matters can do to keep it to extend your battery
1:19:18life because you just can't keep writing the same third-party applications you
1:19:21have all your battery and you know maybe the OS trying to be quiet will help a
1:19:25little bit if the OS itself if you aren't using Apple's bundled
1:19:28applications you are getting the benefit of Apple's work they did on that in a
1:19:32few the OS is really doing anything anyway so maybe get a little benefit but
1:19:35third-party application because kill your battery life and so how do you do
1:19:39that if we made this amazing OS that can be super angry official we have all
1:19:43these new API's you alarming you're not visible learning to draw stuff and set
1:19:47your priorities and throw if no one uses those API's you don't get the benefit of
1:19:51all his hard work how the hell do we get people to use these API's you have to
1:19:55shame them you have to put him up there and go this guy right here he sucks you
1:19:59know and you're going to unfair of the same applications that are not doing
1:20:03anything bad that are being used a lot because or because the whole point in
1:20:07them is to do something
1:20:08Cpl I like a game like a guessing game is going to destroy her battery life
1:20:12that's the whole point of the game is to use every single resource on the entire
1:20:15system to it
1:20:15if you're not using every excuse in unity and every corner CPU and you know
1:20:20using all the bandwidth and all the processing power new GPU and you know
1:20:24that's not a good game design right you shoot three hundred photographs and a
1:20:28bunch of videos on vacation and come in and plug it in and takes us start
1:20:32sucking those pictures off your sdcard and iPhoto or Lightroom or Aperture and
1:20:36you have it set to you know a portrayal Lightroom I don't know but you can like
1:20:42you know like default filter over every one of them
1:20:47filtering 300 photos of want while reading from a slow sdcard
1:20:51gonna be you know that that's exactly what you're asking him to do though is
1:20:55did do something that is you know I O and CPU intensive and so it's gonna get
1:21:01painted with the same brush so it's not it's not a perfect system but that's the
1:21:05only the only tool they have at their disposal they were desperate numbers
1:21:07like we've just got a shame you know like I guess it's kind of still hidden
1:21:12the little bit but it's it's prominently Activity Monitor is not sufficient
1:21:16people click the battery menu especially when they want to be like the time
1:21:20remaining if they don't display it you know like I see the battery is the
1:21:25little stuff inside the battery is no do little but i wanna know how much time do
1:21:28I have left and a lot of people don't display that in the menu bar know if you
1:21:31can anymore because takes a more rooms they click click to see it there's the
1:21:35whole shame right there I love it I do I do I do I just did not give this is one
1:21:41of those injuries didn't give it a lot of thought before reading your review
1:21:44and then I realized you said I really do think it might have the most lasting
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1:24:17scanning is one of the things I still like let out a sigh when I realize I
1:24:21have to use my scanner because I've got my printer hooked up to my airport thing
1:24:25but I can't do scanning through its every time I got asked and I have to
1:24:28like plug the printer directly into the computer to use the stupid flatbed
1:24:32scanner in the thing up so terrible I just stopped doing that but I don't care
1:24:38about you know like I just want
1:24:39scanning documents for you know archival purposes of every mistake my phone or
1:24:44iPod thing yeah it makes sense for me I mean that's what am I do I mean how
1:24:51often do I need to scan something but when I do it's such a pain and appear
1:24:54like PDF and their application for editing PDF always an army dealing with
1:24:59PDS like a preview would almost kind of so close to being what you want to be
1:25:03like you can't really do that caused the PDF PDF sign editable the readonly PDF
1:25:08Penn concept of its PDF but you can find screw it was like oh thank god there's
1:25:13nothing worse than just dealing with a PDF change one little thing in modifying
1:25:17some simple way to you think should be possible and is not right and it's you
1:25:21know when I first saw that PDFs that you can have their were clearly scanned but
1:25:28where it had been OCR so you can search swype attacks this tax rate because this
1:25:34is clearly not a fun this is you know the facts and everything and powerful
1:25:40stuff I always see our seems like one of those tasks I get stiff never going to
1:25:45be perfect of course you've talked about this on your show with mark on Casey
1:25:51about talk to mark about it to the episode a couple weeks back for Casey
1:25:57brought up the episode of The Shield show where they made a joke about Siri
1:26:03you pointed out looked serious could improve a lot and maybe needs improving
1:26:07but it's never going to not be make funnel right we're never going to get to
1:26:13a park point where a recent our lifetimes where AI isn't going to be of
1:26:19some kind of uncanny valley where it's clearly not a person
1:26:22and therefore we can make fun of it OCR is sorta like to get really depressed
1:26:26about that
1:26:26think how often you see people make fun of their human you know
1:26:30co-workers or assistance of an actual human it was the subject of ridicule
1:26:36about how doesn't understand what you want because it's not inside your brain
1:26:39like it's it's an unsual is literally an unsolvable problem you know we have like
1:26:45direct to live in fear
1:26:46become a hive mind you know and same thing with OCR like human beings can
1:26:51read stuff but it's sufficiently smudged in crappy
1:26:53just look at the stupid captures the payoff to do on on the web
1:26:57did you see the ball in his last name the guy from tablets tablets Paul and I
1:27:05but he bought a surface Microsoft Surface to try it out and capture ya
1:27:17sound like a lot of you buy a new surface and you start setting it up in
1:27:22the first run experience like step for the first run experience is to do it
1:27:26capture just in case your robot right with with hot dog fingers using this why
1:27:34do they care for robots are buying services you're buying a surface
1:27:39maybe you know you know with water filter hot dog fingers like a machine
1:27:45somewhere where they have a better services lined up with these little
1:27:48things you know trying to scam captions are
1:27:54I capture that I don't understand the scenario that they're defending against
1:27:59either is the gogo wireless internet on the airplane at least the network we
1:28:11have on USAir and you have an account I fly enough ravel just have my account
1:28:17credentials saved so when I'm on an airplane and there's wifi type in my
1:28:22password I say yes use my saved credit card and then I have to do it capture
1:28:28and it stinks like if you're on the phone because
1:28:31it took you can't see the capture and see the text field and the keyboard all
1:28:37the same time so you have to memorize the capture and then type it in and its
1:28:42case sensitive it's like what what i don't understand what they're defending
1:28:45against I just gave you my username and password I just let you charge my credit
1:28:49card why do you know why am i doing it capture there is a BS business buzzword
1:28:54to explain every crazy like that and I think in this case the BS word is best
1:28:59practices which is someone just sighed as best practice having captured every
1:29:02logon screen and the blanket apply that policy why best practices best practices
1:29:06in Berlin topic and you know and so you end up with it in places where it makes
1:29:10no sense because you didn't take it there so I could understand its best
1:29:13practices that captures now its corporate policy way the future and
1:29:21you're seeing that movie The Aviator
1:29:23oh yeah I love it I wonder I mean I i've seen it as well but I think the movie is
1:29:30more obscure than a lot of other things a reference even like The Big Lebowski
1:29:35but now it has come to prominence due to their obsession with it
1:29:39yeah I think that the Aviator I have sought when I didn't see it in theaters
1:29:44it's another you know it's the whole having kids thing where I don't see many
1:29:47movies at all bidders anymore it's too but I did see it when it first I love
1:29:51big scorsese fantasy when it first came out on iTunes I got it and I'm being a
1:29:56little disappointed the first time I saw it I don't know what I expected it to be
1:29:59I guess I
1:29:59I guess I
1:30:00needed to be goodfellas with the billionaire and it wasn't and I was a
1:30:05little disappointed in a wide still a year or so ago and thought my god what a
1:30:10remarkable I really hate the second time I watch the year two later to three
1:30:14years later I really thought you know this is just fantastic love them
1:30:22grows on you you know I don't think I'm obsessive compulsive I don't have any
1:30:27kinda sorta like that but I read it it seems like such an otherworldly if you
1:30:32don't have to suffer from it and it's hard to imagine it and I feel like he
1:30:36really kind and I i buy the second time my wife came out of it thinking somehow
1:30:41there but for the grace of God go I maybe I am a little closer to that than
1:30:44than comfort yeah I think everyone can identify with it a little bit some some
1:30:53more than others lets a great guy that Howard Hughes was I don't know if I've
1:31:04ever seen anything about in there wasn't like a fictionalized like newsreels or
1:31:07interviews or anything about the actual persons all I had in my mind is the the
1:31:11fictional Howard he was just building airplanes building casinos and gaming
1:31:18famous actresses making movies there's a life that I mean there's more was there
1:31:24to do in the bottles are in tissue boxes and doesn't end well thats this is
1:31:32really really this is a cautionary tale about working from home should be on the
1:31:37watch out for this is exactly that is sort of that is sort of I think what
1:31:44made it uncomfortable for me so I installed the David underscores
1:31:49undercover David Smith we say his name to understand his phenomenal app for the
1:31:57iPhone
1:31:58what's it called steps I forget what
1:32:01plus plus I don't know what I don't know how it got to pluses but her plus plus
1:32:07great app I think it's a free app and there's a guy you can do it like an
1:32:11in-app purchase to give me a couple bucks but it just ties into your
1:32:15motioned processor on the iPhone 5s steps I take shockingly few steps in
1:32:25something this is still before winter you know it's it's actually you know
1:32:31october in philadelphia is actually beautiful it's probably probably my
1:32:36favorite month climate wise in philadelphia it couldn't be more
1:32:40beautiful we haven't had a lot of rain there's zero reason why I shouldn't be
1:32:43getting more steps than at any point here and I you know when today I took
1:32:49thirteen steps to get coffee in the morning to you too like the Starbucks
1:32:53down the street from everyone make it home ok
1:32:58the Fitbit and everything that you shouldn't buy you one and you could be
1:33:01like that but he's motivated is now you just have like thirteen steps of this
1:33:05like you did you walk really carefully through your bed to the office of those
1:33:09unaccounted steps like your shuffle your feet and your bunny slippers I said
1:33:13here's my actual score for Wednesday October 30th was 3466 steps but you're
1:33:18supposed to get colored red like so 10,000 as everybody says what you want
1:33:25every day
1:33:283466 on Wednesday to step things differently cuz I park in a parking
1:33:35garage like about time I get there and I run up and down the steps to the fifth
1:33:40floor parking garage in this account for more steps than just walking up the
1:33:43stairs yeah that's right up the stairs is very different than walking up five
1:33:46flights yet same number of steps taken steps going up stay up as fighter steps
1:33:51is definitely more and going down steps is less cause you just going down steps
1:33:57is really just to control the ball and then I mean it's motivating you to you
1:34:03know get outside Mari
1:34:05something triggered a trick or treat today though I got a good when I got
1:34:09fifteen thousand steps so you know once you sign gets tired you which will
1:34:15happen something dogging you have something to do in your old age
1:34:19dog for a walk every day makes you get outside like you're not a smoker a
1:34:23reason to be outside in the winter some reason to be out there you to track your
1:34:30steps you know I think I would I might be interested in trying it like I like
1:34:35leon set to the gameplay type thing but it's just that it's never come up I do
1:34:39like sure as hell don't want anything on my wrist watch right but I don't want to
1:34:44put this attached there and then once the clip onto your clothes like I know
1:34:47it's just like my laundry machines we did like it you know I'm not I'm not
1:34:51responsible enough to have $100 little you know rubberized electronic turds
1:34:56clipped my clothes to wash in the first week and I'll buy another one
1:34:59essentially it's like it's like a tax like you know average of $75 a month for
1:35:03the rest of my life to keep I knew Fitbit yeah exactly the same I I bought
1:35:07one I bought the IndieGoGo project Kickstarter one of those things it was
1:35:12called the misfit shine misfit as the company and its like you know if it and
1:35:21it was a little at a little quarter sized desk and had a couple of ways you
1:35:25can way you could wear it on your wrist I chose not to I magnin thing I put into
1:35:29my pants and I had it for six days before I lost it on the seventh day I
1:35:33was aware that thing and I'm no child somewhere you know idea yeah and I
1:35:38didn't remember I couldn't remember the last time I checked it from the day
1:35:42before I remember I definitely had it the day before and at some point I
1:35:45didn't have it and so the phone is the perfect thing that because the phone is
1:35:49like you're not gonna lose track of how much money and use it all the time and
1:35:53it's got the tractor and it doesn't kill your battery so you're good to go
1:35:55like I put that I put the underscore Deviousness but are pluses than my
1:35:59wife's iPhone it doesn't work for her unfortunately because her phone is not
1:36:03allowed in all sorts of places in her work so it's like she doesn't get better
1:36:08he doesn't get the benefit of the steps that are taking place when she doesn't
1:36:11have her phone with a long time that has to be left elsewhere so she's hurt our
1:36:15numbers are low but she has excuses like it's a secure zone 12 stories out there
1:36:21any way to get there is a flight of stairs to see the person the office of
1:36:28the longest hallway in the whole facility no credit Maxwell Smart Gilas
1:36:33doors right white house in fabrics what's your favorite thing what's your
1:36:39favorite thing that they did this year and maverick's I send us an ATP that we
1:36:45recorded earlier in the weekend people gonna think I'm crazy or or a total noob
1:36:49as the kids say like you know the whole thing about 1-10 was slow after ever
1:36:54release of august 10 people on the forums will install and loved it so much
1:36:58snappier right and it's because every time you install a new version of the OS
1:37:02like all your applications everything is fresh like the caches are rebuilt for
1:37:06you like you know it's all of course it feels faster like you just like like
1:37:10System Preferences it was like one bounce it opened Raptors nothing else
1:37:13happening in machine to just rebooted in just reinstalled the OS of course it
1:37:16bill snappy right so that matter fact has always been right but I really feel
1:37:21like having installed Mavericks and so many machines that actually does he feel
1:37:26snap you're not taking into account that yes of course is gonna be a snapper is
1:37:30quickly I've been using it for days and days
1:37:32days like this you know the release version on Mario machines do Rio where
1:37:35an actual work and it feels snappier and could all be in my head I totally
1:37:41willing to believe that all my head but if it's not all my head what is coming
1:37:45from is my computer is doing less useless crap and and that means it has
1:37:50it's more available to do the stuff that I wanted to do and so you know it could
1:37:54just be the difference in animation somewhere could could be ended by giving
1:37:57a terminal for instance like when I use terminal and you know ellis or something
1:38:03local directory do something that's beside Texas seems like a text appears
1:38:06in the terminal window faster and like that can't be possible how could it
1:38:09already appears so lightening fast like you most like I was waiting for their
1:38:12characters it was already so fast
1:38:13why does it feel faster to me so there's some either you know psychological not
1:38:20really there but I think it's there are actual kind of like trickery in a
1:38:23procedure just down from ABC right now if you would just feels it just feels
1:38:30more efficient to me I think it's subtle but I think it I think it does feel a
1:38:35little snap you're too and I'm running it mostly on a very old PowerBook 2008
1:38:39MacBook MacBook Pro and the 2010 MacBook Air that I mentioned in my my iPad
1:38:48review not new stuff you know so there's definitely a national icon both machines
1:38:53it feels a little simpler and I think there's gotta be room for that
1:38:57Snap Fitness improvement because specifically just comparing the way Mac
1:39:01OS 10 feels to an iPad even older iPads and you know it was just the whole
1:39:09initial appeal of iOS is my god this this feels so much more responsive to my
1:39:14input than my computer even though it's only you know a 10 Thursday 20th as
1:39:21powerful as you know CPU eyes favorite like real feature that is not on my head
1:39:27is the new version are you using my main browser but I also run chrome all data
1:39:34is used to browse have certain things i doing certain things i doing so far as
1:39:37far as my default and one of the things I always liked about so far as I felt
1:39:42like
1:39:43when I had command then to make a new window which I can only do they don't
1:39:46always use tabs too crowded to make a new window just like it was fast like
1:39:50like a native UI everything about his native was fast right and chrome what I
1:39:56liked about it was I felt like one so far we start to get hung up a special
1:39:59Safari six-man you know the WebKit to thing where I would get hung up on you
1:40:02get a dialog box yet to reload all you want us to piss me off to no end when
1:40:06that happened to win something was slower I just like the progress bar in
1:40:10Safari just like hang in there I always knew I could switch to Chrome make a new
1:40:14window and because it was a separate process no matter what the hell's going
1:40:17on all my other chrome tabs on other criminals no matter what the health
1:40:20authorities doing being hung I can get a new chrome window and it will load the
1:40:24damn thing that I want to load cos independent and so going to process
1:40:27pratap in Safari is like you know i maybe this is just me people writing to
1:40:32say I still get that dialog box it says you know things are not responding it's
1:40:36not all the tabs and Safari now just a few of them which I suppose could happen
1:40:39but I get I used to get that pages and I responded by now you know you know visit
1:40:44page reload all the tabs think get used to get on the old version of Safari
1:40:47constantly was driving me nuts was driving to the point where I was
1:40:50thinking of switching my default browser and during the whole course of writing
1:40:53the review on a mountain lion system I kept getting it again and again it was
1:40:57like taunting me like saying goodbye to me and I never once not once still
1:41:00haven't not one's gotten it on mattresses party 7 I don't you know I
1:41:03may happen you know and maybe when it happens it still happens the effect is
1:41:08less but I just haven't seen it all and that that that is a big change in my
1:41:12daily life because if you use Safari browser and you get that thing like more
1:41:16than you know once every couple of weeks it really changes when they just goes
1:41:20away you don't see that anymore
1:41:22guy you the story just told is exactly everything about it I'd safari is my
1:41:28default browser I run I've run into that dialog box all the time
1:41:36over the you know the time that far is used that to to process architecture you
1:41:43know where there is one
1:41:44to render the UI and one monolithic process to handle all of the rendering
1:41:49that whole time was it just just one OS release or was it to its releases was it
1:41:54just mountain lion I'm so bad I remember when I am I think it might have been
1:41:59lyin and Mallory WebKit the whole time I ran into that so many times and when it
1:42:04would get bad that that that and that reason alone made me think that maybe I
1:42:09should switch to Chrome as my main browser the only reason and there's not
1:42:14one other thing about crime that I prefer to Safari except for the fact
1:42:18that Chrome OS four years is headed
1:42:21you know each tab gets its own rendering process I do like other things about
1:42:25crime like I you know I when I use Google's applications nice marriage
1:42:30between all their crazy you know stuff they do to make things fast and
1:42:33everything but just like it's just chromis and again people have different
1:42:36experiences people you know me and say you keep saying chrome is solid crisis
1:42:40me all the time
1:42:40chrome is so solid for me like I i'm in the beta channel 4 chrome attorney went
1:42:44to the regular releases I'm on the bandits every time a new beta comes out
1:42:47I just get it automatically and even that just I always know if I go to
1:42:51chrome and make a new window or new tab I can load a page you will never know
1:42:56what's happening like their their architecture is so good and maybe
1:43:00safaris not up to that level yet but chrome was always been just rock solid
1:43:03and yet they are you Alex weird and I don't like how it's not native and all
1:43:06those stuff but there are things I do like about chrome I wouldn't say that
1:43:09there's nothing else I don't like about but there's nothing there that tempted
1:43:12me to switch because I'm not a big user of Google Apps I don't like the stuff
1:43:16that I don't like I don't like the non-standard you I so that I'm not
1:43:20saying that I can see why other people use Chrome for other reasons but for me
1:43:24the main thing that was always drawing it was the processor architecture and
1:43:32more recently work-related like I've found myself using the dev tools built
1:43:37into chrome I mean you know you think all the boat basin where she was like
1:43:40the WebKit debugger but they've diverged significantly over the years in terms of
1:43:44those things look like they're pretty much feature compromised web inspector
1:43:47does it has featured lacks features is just the way things are arranged again
1:43:52with chrome being so reliable
1:43:54and you know when you're debugging you went back to doing all sorts of crazy
1:43:56crap and seven break points in putting in bed JavaScript are you trying to fix
1:44:00and also to things that can very quickly get Safari confused in hose and hose the
1:44:05whole a piano back in the bad old days was host
1:44:08just i i run chrome never have the relaunching its only work when I'm doing
1:44:12work related stuff and debugging JavaScript that it could be a WebKit
1:44:15related issues or just testing it without that I'm writing in JavaScript I
1:44:19do all my debugging chrome these days even though it's not as nice and pretty
1:44:23as the debugger and and so far in Safari about tomorrow has gotten a lot better I
1:44:27just find myself you know even now with Safari 7 I still use Chrome as my
1:44:31debugger a used to be their use Firebug in Firefox back when nobody had good to
1:44:35buying supper Firefox but so Google feature that most people don't care
1:44:39about if your web developer I think Chrome's web development tools have
1:44:43really come a long way and I mean on them every day I think with Safari
1:44:48breaking the law breaking it
1:44:51WebKit into the separate process architecture and it seems like there's a
1:44:54big political back story to that you mentioned it we're we're invited Google
1:44:59to contribute there's to the WebKit project and Google declined and I also
1:45:07received recalled reading something about how that it wasn't that great
1:45:11anyway that maybe you know that that it was a lot of working what they've
1:45:16learned up with with for WebKit to now with this processor architecture is a
1:45:21lot better than I don't have the better than chrome but better for WebKit as a
1:45:27project in Chrome's specific implementation would have been now I
1:45:32mean it's a little bit sour grapes kinda like if you look at the putting chrome
1:45:38if you look at the krome documents that I LinkedIn thing chrome has the
1:45:41flexibility to do you know the chromium open source project is based on has the
1:45:45flexibility to all sorts of different arrangements in terms of processes in
1:45:48tabs and stuff like that
1:45:50you know it's very flexible and a lot of that stuff is implemented its embedded
1:45:54in the application layer versus being implemented in the engine layer whereas
1:45:57when they did in WebKit like
1:45:59Goulet said here you go like where you know will rip the stuff out of our
1:46:04chromium stop animal integrated into WebKit and refactor chrome to no longer
1:46:08do the stuff of the application level but to use this thing that we put into
1:46:12WebKit like I think you know I would have liked that because I like a Google
1:46:16authority worked out this process stuff and this is really solid but you know
1:46:19Google might have thought that's not the proper place where we like the layer we
1:46:23picked up whatever and you know so that you do something and what it did was put
1:46:29in the engine will make it an engine that will feature because we think
1:46:33that's the right place for it or whatever and I don't think there's
1:46:35anything you know it's a difference in philosophy difference in design there's
1:46:37nothing about Apple's approach that said it was necessary going to be better or
1:46:41worse just had bugs like that not you know it's not working right when things
1:46:45get weird like that why did a bug that have bugs because it's more difficult to
1:46:48make fifteen different processes are you know to make one process communicate
1:46:51with another than to have a one-to-one link tags came with you on way back and
1:46:56versus having you know process pratap we're fine if one goes off the rails it
1:47:00doesn't affect anything else I don't know all I know is that the result was
1:47:05that chrome
1:47:06kicking some parties but in terms of stability and something had to be done
1:47:09and just in terms of what you know what is it like to use it you know just put
1:47:14the anything you can quantify aside you know put the stopwatch down just use it
1:47:19it just felt responsive and you'd like you said you can always hit commandeer
1:47:23command and get a new tab at any time whereas it's far as sometimes you end up
1:47:27with the spinner
1:47:28classic Mac OS and you know ten like pre-emptive multitasking force
1:47:34cooperative whereas on in the old classic Mac days you could anger and
1:47:38application to a degree that it would prevent you from doing something else
1:47:40where nos 10 never know how screwed some application is already a Twitter client
1:47:45like I do this when I like a beach ball and application I just go over to
1:47:48another application that other applications not beach bowl that
1:47:50sampling events off the Q like you know that's we take that for granted but the
1:47:54modern OS that you know the processes are independent the job of the OS to
1:47:57keep them independent
1:47:58web browsers even though it's one application you know logically speaking
1:48:03you think of it as like while there may be one application but I have a
1:48:07bazillion tabs open I want to see this tab I don't care of that with some
1:48:11stupid flashing it's done right and so that architecture like the web browser
1:48:15it's such an important application that it becomes a microcosm of the OS itself
1:48:19it's like you know another level of hierarchy and within this application
1:48:23those tabs better be independent of each other just like processes are
1:48:26independent of each other in the LSC make the tabs process and that's it it's
1:48:30natural and it makes sense like the other approach could have worked it
1:48:33worked fine we wouldn't be having this conversation but it didn't so comes up
1:48:36on changing and I i have been under the impression and I might be again I could
1:48:40be wrong on this but I was under the impression that somebody told me this
1:48:45are not getting my memory is really sore loser John but I seem to recall some
1:48:51discussion but the gist of it was Apple's Safari team never really thought
1:48:57that that monolithic rendering process that handles all of your tabs was the
1:49:04the right decision it was what they it was just a matter of time that they
1:49:09wanted to break rendering into a separate process for security reasons
1:49:13only and it was really about security and the and having all the plugins you
1:49:18know in a sandbox rendering process and that they could get that done in time
1:49:24for Lion and mountain lions but that the work that we now see to get you know
1:49:30each tablet on rendering process you know it was going to take this long
1:49:35anyway so was it better or worse in the interim to have it split into that
1:49:40monolithic 1 I'm almost think it was worse that they would have been better
1:49:43security damn the security implications it would have been better to stick with
1:49:47the old Safari architecture you know where it wasn't a separate process took
1:49:53the lesson of Windows XP you know too hard and said like the web it's so
1:49:57dangerous to have something that wasn't just like sandboxing plug is one thing
1:50:00the second thing was like sandboxing JavaScript execution so there's someone
1:50:04found that exploit where they could put JavaScript coding a web page that would
1:50:07you know 'cause about our phone your JavaScript engine and cause arbitrary
1:50:10code execution that now all of a sudden you have a web page dick like take out
1:50:14people's max steel information and stuff like that and that's especially in the
1:50:19days before I like that you know that the big push to like you know send
1:50:23everybody updates constantly have you know that obvious being shoved in
1:50:27people's faces he had a chance of upgrading everybody like it was still
1:50:30you know coming off the days were like oh god if suddenly they were you know
1:50:34and exploit out there that we didn't find out about until it started
1:50:38affecting people's computers and internet web browser and everybody's
1:50:40using into going over the web
1:50:42we're screwed so I understand the priority of like we gotta get JavaScript
1:50:46execution you know any place any executable code the road from Larry Page
1:50:49runs it needs to be running somewhere has no privileges such a process where
1:50:53can't do anything and yes same thing with plugins get them in a sandbox
1:50:56because the dow I mean I guess the Congress was if we get something like
1:51:02that happens
1:51:04max get a reputation for being bad and unsafe in our browser is insecure and
1:51:08stuff like that and just get it done and hopefully they were hoping it would work
1:51:14out but stability wise it didn't but it's still still probably better than
1:51:18the alternative
1:51:19you know so far is being flaky and occasionally getting that dialogue like
1:51:23you know once a week or so if you're lucky or unlucky does not make the
1:51:27evening news so to speak
1:51:29metaphorically speaking of the scary thing it web page takes over your
1:51:35computer makes the news that's what its Windows XP all over again like it was a
1:51:39PR disaster for the worst thing that could happen to you want to get their
1:51:43reputations hard to shake it so they probably made the right call but you
1:51:46know like so many things in like so many things in people's lives like Howard of
1:51:52our lives have been better if mommy and daddy stayed together how our allies be
1:51:56different if Google and Apple you know it's divided up the labors of inventing
1:52:02the future was cool during the service I double during the client side and had
1:52:05not split up the way they did and you know this is just another another
1:52:09artifact that divorce that their interests were not aligned when it came
1:52:13to you know Google made chrome because it totally line with his interest
1:52:17built in webcam which allowed without interest but it eventually their
1:52:20interest diverted enough to now they're doing blinking apples left with WebKit
1:52:24and they couldn't agree on the process thing and like it's just it's all
1:52:27fallout from that spot in the mail today I just got an advance copy of dog fight
1:52:35which is Fred Vogel Stein's new book comes out this week he's the guy who
1:52:40wrote that story that was in the new york was actually an excerpt from the
1:52:43book that was in the new york times a few weeks ago where he talked to the
1:52:46engineer he got like a former Apple engineer to go on the record and talk
1:52:50about the launch of the original iPhone member that story was great it since the
1:52:54paper I'm ready so it's that was an excerpt from this book and adjust to the
1:52:58book is just specifically how do you know that Apple Apple and Google's fight
1:53:06over you know iOS and Android you know starting I think you know I haven't read
1:53:13the book yet but probably starting like 2005 2006 when they were still saw it
1:53:17it's like you said adding it up with Google doin the services and Apple doing
1:53:21the devices and how they got from there to here with other important I don't
1:53:26read a lot of books like that but this one time and especially based on the
1:53:30exam which I thought was really dynamite
1:53:32nerds like us are so desperate for any real first-hand accounts from inside and
1:53:36you know it's kind of like you just get it from like it seems like you're not
1:53:40going to get it you're not going to get intense like a five or whatever but
1:53:44you'll get like some random dude you never heard of you like so hungry for
1:53:47any scrap of information about like he was there and you know under the worst
1:53:51thing about that is you never know that guy could have an agenda and giving you
1:53:55could be giving you a skewed view of things but you'll never know she's the
1:53:58only person talking at all so we got to go on and we just we just want to know
1:54:00how it happened it's our version of like people magazine yeah and it is this sort
1:54:05of like a pretty prisoner's dilemma aspect to it where it makes sense if
1:54:09everybody just keeps their mouth shut but if one guy speaks up he's gonna put
1:54:14the story out there in his best light and so it kind of makes sense for
1:54:19everybody to talk and makes that's what makes it so surprising that Apple is
1:54:23maintained
1:54:24not the secrecy of why you working on stuff it's not that hard but even the
1:54:28fact that you know five six seven eight years later people don't talk about
1:54:32Apple stuff is kind of impressive but we get like the book that would appeal to
1:54:37me and maybe two other words like you and everything would be this week at
1:54:41this like ambien Lee where people will come off to come out of apple and many
1:54:45years will pass and they'll tell you like more or less benign stories about
1:54:49you know like I like the writer's block website he was work tonight DVD back in
1:54:55the day was that guys name I forget but whatever you like it but it's so far
1:55:02removed now he's just gonna tell some like you know it's not gossip reasonably
1:55:06pleasant stories about like what it was like trying to deal with the iDVD intro
1:55:10and even like an add-on melton telling stories about you know they're not
1:55:13another type of thing that makes for a sensational excerpts from books but the
1:55:17accumulation of all the stories that you either people publisher you here at WWDC
1:55:21like they're not sensational in themselves but you start to form a
1:55:24picture from just from the from the fringes from each little persons
1:55:28anecdotes like this store in our story starring you start to get sort of like
1:55:32we have an outside perspective we know nothing and now like now the shape is
1:55:36dimly visible underneath the black cloth like just from the accumulation of these
1:55:39nice stories from like friendly people die every senior people and it's so many
1:55:43years removed like at this point I remember what I DVD was to remember like
1:55:47the loading IMAX no one cares about things they feel safe in talking about
1:55:51that it's not you know someone just like if we can get the big names ever talk to
1:55:58someone just collected up all the little names twenty years roadway you could
1:56:01make a nice sort of anthology isn't the IDV story I DVDs for another one of
1:56:06those like thirty second meetings with Steve Jobs like the story that they had
1:56:11like this they had all these complex mock-ups of different ways did the
1:56:15design and they were going to present these all these mock ups to Steve Jobs
1:56:18and they came in went to the white board through a rectangle said here's our
1:56:22interface you drag video here and then there's a button at the bottom it says
1:56:26Rep
1:56:27and indeed like walked it is left
1:56:30something along those lines and the other part of the stories like what it
1:56:33was like to be behind the scenes are responsible for making one of steve's
1:56:37like old style macworld demos you know like 30 S 10 free iPhone pre everything
1:56:43to make one of those demos go off without a hitch and everything that goes
1:56:46on behind the scenes was there was a recent story about that
1:56:52what was there was some PC software and their like paranoid that it wasn't gonna
1:56:57work in their dreams from your pockets are drinking in the audience now that's
1:57:01that's the friend focusing story from the engine at the original iPhone them
1:57:06you must have talked about it now and the end they they had a flask Scott said
1:57:10they were passing in the odds of getting through that the demo perfectly and you
1:57:14know that's that's how you can hear from the guy who's like you know his name is
1:57:18not on the marquee he's not he's not on that the PR BIOS page but he's the poor
1:57:23guy who's in charge of the particular application this morning and it damn
1:57:27well better work and each time one of the guys like you know the second or
1:57:30third row Apple guys you know the engineers had been invited each time
1:57:34your thing that thing you had work done if you worked on you know mail and when
1:57:40it got through the iPhone male demo and it didn't crash then you'd just quick
1:57:45take the flask and be like thank God Almighty you know I may have passed my
1:57:49part my mind wasn't the thing that blew up on stage blood like to give her my
1:57:54you get down to the little like the stage at the memories they like how
1:57:59things look great side of the stage like an elevator and those things I've got
1:58:03stuck there would be hell to pay so you know some guys up and down twenty times
1:58:07make sure that doesn't fall when it goes up and down the river somebody told me
1:58:15once that and I'm sure they still do it caused by this topic that after the
1:58:22final rehearsal which I then again I don't know if this is true who knows but
1:58:28I've always heard that they do want the morning of the events that there's like
1:58:31a saint you know they rehearse the day before all day too late at night and
1:58:35then the morning they do a rehearsal I don't know better true enough but after
1:58:40the last rehearsal a white glove team comes out and wipes everything down the
1:58:45desks that the demo max are on the demo max you know
1:58:50everything everything gets wiped down with white gloves to factory fresh
1:58:55perfect that status
1:58:58the reason why just because even just hearing that story makes me nervous that
1:59:05the guys wiping stuff down there in like bumper cable is right and screw up like
1:59:09we're another run through everything went perfectly with the hot hand while
1:59:11the cleaning crew one guy pulled out a little pulled out one tenth of the dock
1:59:14connector slightly and now they're doing all screwed up I mentioned these guys
1:59:18are like CSI crime lab intricate you know delicate you know that they're
1:59:23they're gonna get every fingerprint off the glass but they are like using at
1:59:27least minimum pressure necessary to do it I gotta do a third sponsor in a few
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2:00:07is private because it's on your own internet you don't do anything silly
2:00:11like actually used Twitter but make up fake names or try to have your own even
2:00:15if it's a confidential just to sort of communicate privately you have your own
2:00:21little thing be perfect
2:00:23the whole thing as social you can comment on any type of content you can
2:00:29add mention your co-workers just like hunt where all of it
2:00:33private to your own team you can follow content updates they've tags to group
2:00:41things around the way you work so you can use the same tagged blog entry as on
2:00:47an event on the calendar and you can group them together by that text it's
2:00:53easy the whole thing as drag and drop to configure to style they have responsive
2:00:57designs that look great on every device from your phone to 27 inch display they
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2:01:21go to include software dot com slash the talk-show
2:01:27software dot com the talk show and you can find out so they mention tags in the
2:01:36group thing so tags are in the future and and Mavericks and I had no idea this
2:01:42is something I just did I just wasn't paying attention until I read your
2:01:46review that they really are sort of piggybacked on the old labels labels
2:01:54feature that goes all the way back to system 7
2:01:58like there has been this feature you could apply color with an associated
2:02:03where to file forever for marriages in India Mexico but you talk to someone
2:02:08who's heard someone say I read somewhere like I think they added those in Jaguar
2:02:15alright I like there is a feature that does that and so it is very on Apple
2:02:20like despite what people think about them like breaking with the past doing a
2:02:24clean breaks in terms of solving a better believe there's already a feature
2:02:26that does that and they already carried across boundaries bring it from classic
2:02:30indo-us tent-like brought it forward you can make a new feature that gives you a
2:02:34new way to apply multiple colors in words to files not making a backward
2:02:38compatible in some way would just be weird and just not people some people
2:02:42used to use labels offline but other people use them like they put everything
2:02:46like the red ones the ones I gotta work on next week and I know when I change
2:02:49it'll be blue like they use them as an alternate way instead of range of things
2:02:53in folders and if you made this new system that was completely independent
2:02:57of that it would not go over well it would be like 10 what do I use these
2:03:01labels whose tax to go back to all my files that are labeled in like tag them
2:03:04with the same color as the labels so it just makes sense from a user
2:03:08friendliness and from sort of an apple philosophy backward compatibility
2:03:11especially for beaches last this long
2:03:13alright will build on it will be a superset we can't you know we can
2:03:17totally make it absolutely have one label but whatever the most recent tag
2:03:21you put will be the label and explain their review the implementation details
2:03:26that are going to explain why did why it works as well why they're only seven
2:03:30labels why are the names you know and names independent of the colors why
2:03:35could I get into his weird scenarios when I copied from one to the other
2:03:38what happens of a changing table able to follow her label but why did not get to
2:03:42pick your own colors you get to do you get to pick any of these seven colors
2:03:46but you can't make your own mom now they could they could do that like it used to
2:03:51be able to ya like it's just you see what is the number 1 260 means no label
2:03:56136 is here if things do you get to pick from and once you understand the
2:04:01implementation than you like oh I see how the behavior falls out of the
2:04:05implementation and why do they use intimidation well because it allows it
2:04:09to be backward compatible with the existing label and white using labels
2:04:12use this crazy ass invitation 'cause there from like 1988 that's why
2:04:16it all it all connects back in the doll gives an explanation of the future it
2:04:22would be difficult to understand what the hell's going on without knowing his
2:04:25attorneys otherwise it might seem like a poorly implemented feature or
2:04:29nonsensical air why does it work this way or seem silly but their their
2:04:32reasons for and it it against the other way that it looks if you don't know the
2:04:37story behind it
2:04:38what makes it seem weird are the default tags which are you know color names red
2:04:43blue yellow a good just seems like an odd batch of defaults
2:04:47remember the old defaults are essential Yeah Yeah right through through an
2:04:54essential in there whenever they were so weird like I would love to be in the
2:04:57media like we're gonna have the full names for the labels and should we call
2:05:01I just remember hoten essential and know exactly what's the difference we should
2:05:05look that up right now you should I do forget that I get the other thing too
2:05:12with this new implementation in tags to me are way more interesting I haven't
2:05:16used labels in years I anticipate using tags quite a bit but I don't think I
2:05:23think they've got this on top of labels and if on the converse euro the type of
2:05:27person who used labels and you want to keep using labels and you don't really
2:05:31want to use tags per se just wanting to use the labels you are used it doesn't
2:05:35really set you back any a little bit in terms of the only thing I can think of
2:05:40is if you really want to just use it the way you always used it and you don't
2:05:44like the new the new way you have to label before you real able to get rid of
2:05:53you know to a good otherwise you'll be adding yeah otherwise you're just adding
2:05:57so you have one extra click to take off the old label when you want to change it
2:06:03from hot to essentially a little words that little tooltip everything's gonna
2:06:07tell you what's going on like and label this will make it clear that what you
2:06:10gonna do is what you thought so here at Airedale labels essential hot in
2:06:14progress cool personal project one Project 2010 hot and cool a cent
2:06:20essential hot and cool likelihood all mean the same thing is essential with
2:06:23orange high was read in progress purple cool is like ice blue personal
2:06:28navy blue project one green project you brown this is all based on my leg would
2:06:33like hot like you know like the boss's boss's once this now this is a hot issue
2:06:39you know or is it like hot like you know sexy and we'll see if you go to control
2:06:45panels labels I am running system 7 up but you can change the names of them and
2:06:50you can change the colors to call you can make him any color you want and like
2:06:53what the hell do they care like you could drive yourself crazy because if
2:06:56you decide to change the label number 12 be important and you make it read and
2:07:02you copy that file to your friends some Saturdays and their label number one is
2:07:07purple as like called trash then suddenly your file comes over and i cant
2:07:13find the file with the red label but it's not read on my machine like the
2:07:17obvious problems always existed in terms of who has the central index of what
2:07:20color and what label and what word and other stuff they have us three bits
2:07:25inside and field service plus and then a mapping of those local nothing about the
2:07:30words and now they can have the same thing but they also have this binary
2:07:34property list XML thing if it contains the list of labels and what they put on
2:07:37the list a word in a number
2:07:39separated by a new line for some crazy reason yeah I saw that it was weird that
2:07:44is really weird I cannot I i SAT there and that was one of those things cuz you
2:07:49know the exact sort of like programming task that I can fully comprehend I
2:07:56understand XML file I can do said like I can't think of a reason why they would
2:08:01do this and I said that I was there is a puzzle let's think about this there's
2:08:04gotta be a good reason and I said there for like 10 minutes and I cannot think
2:08:09of why it's not a separate string and integer
2:08:14it could be like cutting the ends off the road just like it you know it's
2:08:17something that not even like that it's more like
2:08:20when you're writing a project and like quickly and I'll change it later and you
2:08:25don't understand the shipping that way just yeah I mean it's not that you're
2:08:31gonna wanna have new lines and your label name that's not but it's just it's
2:08:35right there in front of you like you you store the number and the name like it's
2:08:39the sitting in a property list right
2:08:42ago in the new line and it sticks out when you're looking at an XML file and
2:08:48you're just used to everything you know being too high and all the posts and you
2:08:54see something new line separated like it looks looks ugly in the dump so here's
2:08:58the spotlight in like maybe you know the text parser that parses out there you
2:09:04know because they want a spotlight index all these labels don't have separate you
2:09:07know extended attributes 2011 extended attribute I guess they can pull you know
2:09:11it's like underscore KMD label that tag name you know they have those k
2:09:16constants that applied
2:09:18spotlight you know what those new to the advanced searches right there every
2:09:21every one of us has a constant looks like a constant from the classic Mac
2:09:24days with a legal case case that and if you were gonna write a query was like
2:09:28where you could say we're essentially filename is contains this and date
2:09:34modified is this is one of those things filename date modified label has a
2:09:37single symbolic name that corresponds to where the thing is so all the tags are
2:09:42in a single one of those is why they're all in one big property was instead of
2:09:44having supper extended attributes you can do where one of the label's is hot
2:09:50and one of the labels like AMD label what everything it will pull that whole
2:09:55property list and maybe it's plain that property list out and parsing it is
2:09:59pulling out the you know the the text part and parcel is like three texts of
2:10:03it was like number name new line and they could use spaces because their
2:10:08names like I'm just making stuff up here but like there are semi reasonable
2:10:14reasons why they want to leverage the existing architecture for simply
2:10:18indexing text content of files and it makes it easier for having this way but
2:10:22it sure as hell looks weird and it's one of those decisions it's like well once
2:10:25you've done that you are creating tons and tons of files with extended accurate
2:10:29still with this exact property list
2:10:31and so you're forever doomed to have to support that weird formatting backward
2:10:34compatibility you know my thoughts my only thought was that it was just some
2:10:38lazy programmer who one day you said maybe if you get back to it and fix it
2:10:43but that you know is just easier to just got the two values it was easier to get
2:10:48the two strings together and separated with a new line because thinking your
2:10:52head will there ever be a new line in the actual name know it probably almost
2:10:56certainly guards against it even if you pasted in tax and had a new line as the
2:11:02tag name it almost certainly I'll bet strips that so you're never gonna get an
2:11:07actual new line there so you can do it and it was easier you know the names or
2:11:13in their region originally was just the numbers right and then we need to put
2:11:16the names that are not gonna have you know that the problem I just described
2:11:19where one person names that one thing we gotta put the names in there too
2:11:22alright well just throw them at the new line in the thing I can talk about
2:11:26things you're not going to see a book written about it should die here's the
2:11:32here's the thing you didn't mention that jumped out at me about tags right in the
2:11:36keynote at WWDC is why are they adding tags to files now and to me I think it's
2:11:45clearly driven by iCloud and the sandbox because now only now with tags can you
2:11:56easily group related documents together even if they're all from iCloud sandbox
2:12:05apps so you could take a txt Edit Profile and other sandbox apps preview
2:12:13and you know and give them the same tag and now in the Finder they show up in
2:12:19the same tag sidebar location even to go further than that I would say all that
2:12:25you can have documents in the cloud but you only get one level of folders now
2:12:29finally you can have multiple of multiple levels of hierarchy you don't
2:12:32get to call them soldiers you get the labels but now you can you can slice and
2:12:36dice things in a big way if you are trying to keep all your documents like
2:12:39the documents in the cloud computing applications that do that just having
2:12:42one level folders
2:12:43eventually starts to get crazy so now tags give you one more organizational
2:12:46tool yes of course also across applications but I think about the cross
2:12:49application things is that the only tool that can they can cross cut that thing
2:12:54is the Finder
2:12:56within the individual like Iowa cermak sandbox the iCloud documents
2:13:00applications you can ask them to show you and only the finder and like you
2:13:04know the defined itself and an open save dialog box it's not looking at iCloud
2:13:09document is looking at your desk
2:13:11those are the only things where you can say show me all the things you know the
2:13:15Jones project and it will find across all the applications and even on the Mac
2:13:18I think I might try to hide them cause they're in a closed container things but
2:13:20if your submission a resourceful and maybe this does that leave you know
2:13:24whether that means really are and where they're in the thing yeah so what you
2:13:28can do you go to a you go in the sidebar to the tax and you click a tag that has
2:13:33files to it and then you can go it'll show you those files and then you can
2:13:37control click on it and say show an enclosing folder and it's a crazy iCloud
2:13:43document container somewhere near library folder and yeah exactly like so
2:13:46for example text edit documents search users grouper library / mobile documents
2:13:54/ com till the Apple Tilda txt Edit / documents and a widely used till this
2:14:05day . all the absolute that in the library / mobile documents folder that's
2:14:12where your iCloud sandboxes are but you can get their very easily through the
2:14:16Finder just by going to the tag collection in the sidebar and then
2:14:23control clicking and say show in closing for or are you just show the like this
2:14:28thing that you see the the bottom bar and a Finder window that shows you the
2:14:31path of the little folders there is between them
2:14:33yeah that too is a way to get a display that showed up at your path or whatever
2:14:40but yeah it's it's they haven't solved that problem of the silo documents and
2:14:46tags tags give you one more cool but it makes it all the more apparent like
2:14:51figure in these little islands
2:14:53the application only the Finder can see them all and has no equivalent of the
2:14:56Finder on iOS four you could see ya all the various pieces across all they start
2:15:00to figure out what they can do that but it taxes like it was sitting there like
2:15:03this for so many years building up to this and they implanted extended
2:15:06actually to use them so extensively and all the other features like once you've
2:15:10got extended attributes like that's the first thing everybody else the third
2:15:13party apps that are out there and I've had tons of them over the years they
2:15:16would like we don't need to implement this is part of the OS you can attach
2:15:20arbitrary dated any file all we need is an application that can create the date
2:15:24interpret its a tons of sort of find you like organization applications but say
2:15:27there you go
2:15:28user application and you can apply text your files and organize your stuff
2:15:32according to them and you know tags have advantages over shoulders because if I
2:15:36can only be in one folder according to our rules that way we do things but you
2:15:39can apply multiple tags its kind of the difference between gmail and you know
2:15:44Apple Mail on whether don't get along in terms of you know you know so it was
2:15:48right there for them to do is kinda like taps in the Finder is right there like
2:15:51taps in the tabs on the browsers to make tabs while there are tabs in the Finder
2:15:55browser is a test release you know and we can we could do old three hour show
2:15:59just on the Finder but especially with the the fact that the OS 10 finder is
2:16:06naturally a browser not you know it work that's how would you clearly is meant to
2:16:14work not special thing kind of half heartedly a brother but it's like if
2:16:19you're gonna do a browser we know the house and they just like it's like you
2:16:23didn't get around to it so they got around to taps they got around to tags
2:16:27tags are in a standard Coco thin though are they like there's no way even though
2:16:35it seems like it's using the same tabs as Safari and terminal like but to
2:16:41actually turn elisa's totally different types still even on if you didn't you
2:16:46know just look and feel of the taps well ya never standardized remember tappa
2:16:52tappa tappa
2:16:55Safari 4 briefly right you know this
2:16:59tabs across all applications Apple's kind of decided that they're like
2:17:03vaguely
2:17:04metallica is to be russia now but like they're they're dark gray and they come
2:17:09down and have little rounded corners in this little plus sign to make new ones
2:17:12but it's probably not a standard control because it's definitely not under
2:17:18control now under Apple shares the code like between their well here's one thing
2:17:23I noticed as you pointed out that the new Safari in Mavericks has a feature
2:17:31that that it seems to have learned from chrome whereas your closing tabs it
2:17:36won't change the width of the remaining tabs into your done closing them which
2:17:41enables you to sit there and just click click click without moving the mouse but
2:17:47finder tabs don't do that the Finder tabs act like they copied the old
2:17:51implementation from Safari where each time you close a tab the remaining tabs
2:17:55resize to fit the width so it's if they're sharing code they shared the
2:18:00code from the old Safari and even in an even in Safari it only does that until
2:18:06all the tabs to your right
2:18:07are gone and then it's always safer me theresa right because you can't you
2:18:11don't get the benefit of the click click click click click right where is it
2:18:14chrome chrome because partially due to the fact that comes close box on the
2:18:18right edge of the tab it will even when you have no heart and you're making any
2:18:23right side table still not resize the tab so you can you can click a tag you
2:18:26can click it again close a tab the order to begin with and then it will slide the
2:18:30other tabs that are not here left and it will put the clothes box like crumbs
2:18:33implementation is still better like they had more time to work this out so Apple
2:18:36copied it and I'm not I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have copy that
2:18:40thing except for the fact that they're closed boxes on the wrong size and maybe
2:18:43more or chrome will totally try to put a closed box on your cursor for as long as
2:18:47it possibly reasonably can wear a safari after you've closed all attempts to
2:18:51write it to give up trying to put a closed box and you just a minor thing in
2:18:55the grand scheme of things because you know people use command W or whatever
2:18:58but it's it's a new feature of chrome the day they were wise to copy even if
2:19:03they copy that kind of you know I never noticed that before I just just played
2:19:07with it so I see what you mean it there's two different resizing those of
2:19:10the tabs in
2:19:11there's one manuscript closed at finished closing all the rightmost tabs
2:19:17then as an intermediate one we're told resize the leftmost ones just to put the
2:19:24next one is closed box under your mouse and then when you're done completely
2:19:31move the mouse way to resize to chill this year and by the way the same
2:19:36features in Safari 619 online like a lot of 61 is kind of like the Safari 74
2:19:41Mountain Lion users like a lot of these things even like the power saver thing
2:19:45it doesn't run Flash software plugins and everything came back it was just
2:19:50nice like they don't usually they don't always do that you don't always like
2:19:53always get the cool new features that basically gave everyone running mountain
2:19:57lion no seventy-five percent of the 47 including these nicely you I think I
2:20:03always complain one of the things I complained chrome is the fact that the
2:20:06clothes boxes are in right side of the tabs because I feel like because of the
2:20:10Mac I know this is a good Windows Mac thing but closes always been left and to
2:20:17me a tab is close enough to being like its own little docked window that it
2:20:22should you know tab should be like a window and the clothes should be in the
2:20:25left and I've had people argue with me that with the clothes on the left and
2:20:30you couldn't get this tap tap tap to close tabs but that doesn't you know
2:20:35it's harder like this you can see Watchmen chrome stars resizing the month
2:20:38easy for easier for it to put the next close box under your thing it doesn't
2:20:43have a slight everything way over like it's a little bit easier to work out but
2:20:46it's you know that's not a good reason to put it so much I don't think about me
2:20:53about crime
2:20:54favicon yeah I'd say hi I'm hoping I've been hoping for years it's one of my
2:21:00little things that I hope to see a double-dip UTC but I keep waiting for a
2:21:05kid to get standard system no tabs and I feel like the tabs that they should take
2:21:11safaris I think so far as are the best they're better than the finders
2:21:15their way better than the ones in terminal just a little weird yeah I just
2:21:23like the trend is away from tabs even though we're all can't live without them
2:21:27and their adding them back to things in them act like they had attempts this to
2:21:32Safari on iOS right and they made the crazy new updated version attempts with
2:21:36the progress bar is little blue line at the bottom of the tab you know like
2:21:40there there there still seems like they're still in the experimental phase
2:21:44but thats because I don't like their weird mix some key features that we like
2:21:50to use are not used by regular people using the tabs are pretty universal like
2:21:56no matter how novice you are once you see how tabs work people and maybe it's
2:22:00because there's a relation to paper tabs that used to exist way back in the day
2:22:03like they get it they use them and it's not it's not like a power user feature
2:22:08it's like super advanced people used to have everybody uses tabs so even though
2:22:13they make things much more complicated and make us lose track of where the hell
2:22:16things are in the worst case they make us not know where the hell that sounds
2:22:19coming from cuz it's coming from one of the frequent adds that you can't find
2:22:22they get used to my missus remembering this from last time I tinkered with it
2:22:26but I think Chromebooks are just tapped on anything to have windows I think
2:22:32everything is it I think it's you know the whole metaphor Chromebook Chromebook
2:22:36OS chrome OS's tabs if not if not it's clearly how the day in 10 people to use
2:22:42it if you can have multiple windows most of the tiredness opening taps i've seen
2:22:47a Chromebook 13 life and I just realized I don't think I ever use the software I
2:22:50think I just played with the harder it was a Chromebook pixel I know if this
2:22:55shows already been long and I we can go forever on his bed quickly what do you
2:22:59what do you think
2:23:00do you think that the next version of Mac OS 10 is gonna get iOS 7 not enough
2:23:08that it would look like Iowa seven but iOS 7 a score sized visual refresh I'm I
2:23:15think it's probably do wrong if not in this release then the next one but it
2:23:20needs more than a radical refresh of the look
2:23:24is they've got like gotta finish the job they started with like you know D iOS 6
2:23:30and everything right now is they they just scraped up off the applications
2:23:34they need to look go back to those applications if you really care about
2:23:37the applications like give each give each of those built-in apps a thorough
2:23:42redesign right and as part of that process may be home with some new ideas
2:23:47for the haul ass but a lot of bad a lot about it again it's an older OS has gone
2:23:53through more changes we're out of the sort of iOS 6 level awkward phase like
2:24:00we did that with brushed metal and pinstripes and steal things and laws
2:24:04injures and you know we we did that in the drawers and everything and we cannot
2:24:08the other side and leopard with the unified single window appearance which
2:24:12doesn't still doesn't look bad like it you know it looks good and everything
2:24:15like we had that time were where was like having a you know an original idea
2:24:21and take that idea to its logical conclusion like they did with iOS 6 and
2:24:25say ok now it's time for a new idea that recent was around ten five so I don't
2:24:29overdo for all you gotta change how the menu ROC gotta change how all those
2:24:33standard window title bars look because the old one to look good anymore like
2:24:36its fine right it can be tweaked in a subtle way but they do need to do is
2:24:41rethink all the applications that have been through this terrible trauma of
2:24:45being made to look like their iOS 6 counterparts and I'm not fully recovered
2:24:49and finish the job of you know get dressed Game Center and all those things
2:24:53still look like you know that you still before and and make those applications
2:24:56better like they have so much attention to safari is a part of the review is
2:25:00such an important application like the web browser right but they continue to
2:25:03ship you know mail and reminders and notes in those applications are not best
2:25:09of breed right they don't show up on a great line especially in like with the
2:25:13whole thing with mail not working well as gmail because of the various changes
2:25:16they'd like that they're trying to make it better but they screwed up and you
2:25:20know I don't know anyone who's ever used email with I would never use Gmail like
2:25:24I have no experience in any past versions current pastor just a bad idea
2:25:27because they're not they don't get along I do I do
2:25:31and it's it's only I don't think it's almost because I'm nerdy enough and mail
2:25:39email nerdy enough that I had to I understand the way that they don't match
2:25:43up
2:25:44metaphorically and so because I understand it I purposely work around it
2:25:50like so I don't I know just and I think this is one of the things that people
2:25:54are running into with the Mavericks mail where it's like you if you've turned off
2:26:00the All Mail folder to the IMAP interest in her face in Gmail as everybody who I
2:26:06know use Gmail IMAP is done
2:26:08get two of every email when you search form then when you hit the archive
2:26:14button tends to disappear and reappear in your inbox and stuff so I just never
2:26:18hit males R KY I don't archive I have but there's new bugs in Mavericks were
2:26:23like even if you follow the best practices in either following the
2:26:26guidelines of the old ones are able to the new ones you get into a situation
2:26:28where you'll receive new mail and it will not appear even in your inbox on
2:26:33the Mac but it will appear in the WebUI regardless of whether you have all-male
2:26:36awful like the old way all-male on like the new well I guess this is just full
2:26:40of bugs like it that stuff reflects badly on Apple makes the Mac look bad
2:26:44and so needs to be addressed and in the process of addressing those you can have
2:26:47some new ideas about you I and it could just be like a leading indicator where
2:26:52they might possibly be thinking about going in terms of you I never really was
2:26:56like we never got the iTunes 7 scrollbars the scrollbars we got in line
2:27:00at whatever they turned into little thin graphite sort of lozenges those didn't
2:27:04look like the iTunes one but I don't like let's think about some things that
2:27:08we can do that right so I think the applications are placed experiment like
2:27:12that in the US is due for I mean 10 5 was the big you know we will grant and
2:27:17five and it reset and now we're going around 10:10 injuries said it's kind of
2:27:21about that time and it could totally use with one but I think it's more and I'll
2:27:25be perfectly fine if they just really gave the application some attention and
2:27:29they just put a nice a nice subtle revision of all the you I am just
2:27:33looking a little bit different that's enough like there's nothing there is
2:27:36nothing new equivalent in the current version
2:27:40standard is equivalent to all the security office that there was an Iowa
2:27:43sexist not gaudy and embarrassing you know just look at a barber standard Mac
2:27:47window you know maybe the little laws and to look a little bit dated or not
2:27:51looking at you know who would and felt in London here I've been wondering if if
2:27:57Lucida Grande Grande Grande like when you're starting monday is gonna go was
2:28:09gonna be shown the door once you know the Mac is a mostly retin a platform
2:28:15which I still don't think it's gonna be a while before it's Mac is mostly ready
2:28:20devices because I just don't think it looks that good as as a real phone I
2:28:25think it was nice choice as a screen fun and it went rendered well on nine Retina
2:28:30screen is better than most fun to do but you know there's a reason I guess said
2:28:34before on this show there's a reason why you don't see people using Lucida Grande
2:28:38in real document and print design and stuff because it's not a great find it
2:28:43well there's something to be said for using a fun that people wouldn't using
2:28:49content right thing which the UI from the content right that is true and you
2:28:55know i've talked about this with a lot of people that there is something to me
2:28:58that's a little as a longtime Mac user I've always seen the system fun that way
2:29:04going all the way back to the Chicago and then there was the next one charcoal
2:29:09which you did you did you use charcoal urgent did you revert to Chicago number
2:29:14used to have that option there was like SP sands and their yeah yeah yeah
2:29:19talk about things out but would never do any more used to get a choice for your
2:29:23brush Script yeah but the days you know I always wonder with when they change
2:29:30the phone from Chicago I said I was going to go with it
2:29:32to go even though I didn't like the lowercase R but I did that I went with
2:29:39it but it was always a fun Chicago and charcoal were always do sort of almost
2:29:44like a semi bold fun
2:29:46was not bold enough to be bold but bolder than a regular fun but it made
2:29:50you know it took up two pixels and a lot of places where instead of one and it
2:29:55would look good on Lowe's low Reds low res screens but there is always a very
2:29:59very visceral to meet difference between the UI fund and the content fonts yeah
2:30:06it was it was made weird by the fact that like so the reason Chicago look the
2:30:11way did is because they had to gray out menu items in the original Mac and you
2:30:14can't great things out when you have a black-and-white screen so they had to
2:30:17make every single letter big enough so you could knock out every other pics on
2:30:21checkerboard pattern you still read the words right right and when that's fine
2:30:25and they that also meant they had to Chicago as like for like a long
2:30:30free-form text where they wouldn't use you know the ground right now like a
2:30:33dialogue explain stuff if they would they would use that system fine as well
2:30:37and you just do not want to read a paragraph chicago is like it was never
2:30:40something you'd mind if I just looked awkward but they had to do it because
2:30:43what if you had to go out that text or something you know I just uses and when
2:30:47they went with the new funds like charcoal and stuff didn't need to do
2:30:50that Pixar thing anymore like they had gray scale but they somehow felt like
2:30:54well a system fun if something looks big and chunky and so those funds are also
2:30:58big and chunky in like a listeners like moving its not as thin as Helvetica but
2:31:03you know it's finally shedding that kind of I've got big fat forearms kind of
2:31:08look of the funds right now it doesn't look like that looks like I'm consultant
2:31:12in but I'm also kind of like bold and I look like a label ok I'm labeling
2:31:16something I'm not a headline on that body text you know I'm a UI fun so I
2:31:20don't mind and I don't know what they would replace it with my fear is that it
2:31:25isn't that seems to win before me for a Mac like it seems right for a hand-held
2:31:31especially with iOS 7 like it totally fits their with that aesthetic but I
2:31:35felt them actually be here I'm glad that it's still there are you know I like you
2:31:39so I'm glad that it still has a system
2:31:42I thought it was interesting you pointed out your review that they actually are
2:31:45and this is what I was getting at is that they actually have like new Lucida
2:31:50Grande font files in Mavericks that are optimized and I think that some of the
2:31:56features in there there's a kerning pairs and stuff like that which they
2:32:03actually Lucida Grande never had before it was that the whole textures system
2:32:08got a revision too much better handle like ligatures and all the other stuff
2:32:11you know in regular text but above and beyond that which I would have liked to
2:32:16put a section review about that but I didn't know enough about the details
2:32:19about a change of Texas like you know how much people would care but changing
2:32:23system like above and beyond to change the Texas they made a special new
2:32:27variant of the file I could you pick Lucida Grande in the 1974 raisins and
2:32:33podcast if you pick that funny text datatype with it you're not typing with
2:32:37the same one they used to draw the menus biggest stars of like WABC they were and
2:32:42I think they're still they have a specially tweaked version for when you
2:32:45for one Apple uses it in the UI fact that you actually show up in the thought
2:32:49picker would like some weird name but now you know it's like two different
2:32:52things and I think that's appropriate because the application of a font as
2:32:57your UI thing even if you found exactly the fine you win you always want to just
2:33:01do like well I'm going to tweak it in ways that only makes sense when it's
2:33:04like a menubar new menu item but you would not want to write it if you're
2:33:07using the page layout program in this particular fund like you said it's their
2:33:13labels and label fund is different than a reading fun did you follow that link
2:33:18like one guy after posting review one guy actually figured out what the
2:33:21difference is where and how long blog post go find a part of our view and
2:33:25click on like the whatever that means text because I didn't know like you know
2:33:29i i asked Apple I didn't know what it meant that I have that but like I know
2:33:32you change the font and he said it's optimized to run news like what does
2:33:35that mean it's like well you know like it means you know they didn't give me
2:33:39any specific deal so here's this guy who said ok I'm gonna pull up the funds in
2:33:43my editor and he shows exactly how they change the letter forms for this thing
2:33:46versus the old one
2:33:49whatever that means there we go get some of the changes like every guy says
2:33:55something changes make sense and see what other changes just like was that a
2:33:58mistake into the just forget to change it it's it's weird I saw the Stephen
2:34:01Coles post on the typographical guy but I did not see this here we go
2:34:10great love this guy all right let's call a show get to bed last night John
2:34:19Siracusa thank you so much people can go they can read your review a man can't
2:34:24believe you haven't shame on you haven't already read it but it's at Ars Technica
2:34:27just type in our technical fabrics reviewing in your local Google get to it
2:34:34I was like to be able to type my last name and maverick america's I want my
2:34:39result to be the top one sometimes it isn't but how could that not be the top
2:34:43result as CEO Eric networks that's what I've always called yes the first hit you
2:34:57could find its off the front page of our site at this point that's how old it is
2:34:59but it's it's on the first page of our hearts