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67: The Floppy 2: The Zip Disk


00:00:00   have you seen did you see the news that former Seattle Mariners shortstop Alex [TS]

00:00:07   Rodriguez is in trouble [TS]

00:00:12   Wow trouble thats yeah that's that's something that some goods goods been [TS]

00:00:18   right there [TS]

00:00:19   yeah we prefer currently I believe is suspended nobody yeah I heard that and [TS]

00:00:33   and he's not happy about it [TS]

00:00:38   railroad [TS]

00:00:43   I didn't watch the 60 Minutes interview I heard that the stomach for that the [TS]

00:00:52   weirdest part about it and maybe the part that again I always when I would [TS]

00:00:55   bring this up a try to put it in terms of people who don't care about baseball [TS]

00:00:58   my care about the Justice this guy got suspended for taking [TS]

00:01:02   performance-enhancing drugs for the entire season [TS]

00:01:05   regular season as a hundred and sixty two games he got a hundred and sixty [TS]

00:01:08   two-game suspension and that includes the postseason just to make the point [TS]

00:01:12   even if I I think it's pretty unlikely that if the Yankees made the postseason [TS]

00:01:17   and missed all hundred and sixty two games it Adam but just to make sure that [TS]

00:01:22   there is no controversy about it that the suspension explicitly but it does [TS]

00:01:27   not include spring training and Alex Rodriguez has stated that he he plans to [TS]

00:01:33   attend spring training and it's like the [TS]

00:01:36   that the rules that govern Major League Baseball and the Players Association is [TS]

00:01:42   such that you know if he's on you know under contract he's you know he wants to [TS]

00:01:48   come to spring training he can come to spring training which is going to be [TS]

00:01:52   able to say awkward and I follow a whole bunch of Yankees beat writers on Twitter [TS]

00:02:01   and they really had a blast with it was really funny like their imagined in the [TS]

00:02:05   questions I get asked Girardi like you know like if he plays in spring training [TS]

00:02:11   and has a good day like what what's the point you know it's like you know you [TS]

00:02:17   can't use them like it is just is taking up when they change their roster I mean [TS]

00:02:26   I want to use a spot I don't know someone who's not gonna play I really [TS]

00:02:31   don't know what they're going to do it's it's just seems you know it just seems [TS]

00:02:35   like everything is setup for someone to have the good taste [TS]

00:02:38   not show except it's Alex right exactly what that can you believe as well you [TS]

00:02:54   know what people said that the rules are well I believe nobody's quite sure and [TS]

00:03:03   I'm not even sure if things like everybody knows how much money the [TS]

00:03:07   players make a contract because there's no that's part of the you know there's a [TS]

00:03:13   salary cap type thing where you get a penalty if you go over at all public [TS]

00:03:17   information I'm not sure of all the details and clauses of each contract are [TS]

00:03:22   public but it's presumed that it's probably you know against his contract [TS]

00:03:27   with the Yankees that he he can play professional baseball elsewhere but as [TS]

00:03:32   some of the other writers said well it's Alex Rodriguez do you really think he's [TS]

00:03:35   not going to you know I don't know where I don't know where else they play in the [TS]

00:03:38   same months but you know go over now yeah that's cool that's wonderful [TS]

00:03:42   maybe go plan that would be pretty funny like somebody said they wouldn't pass to [TS]

00:03:53   pass into just play in the league softball league in Miami and just have [TS]

00:03:58   na na do switch back and forth between sometimes its roots back and forth [TS]

00:04:03   between Japan and and the us- throughout the season I think because Mom when we [TS]

00:04:09   were in Japan back in 2000 my wife was ready for the newspaper she were a [TS]

00:04:13   couple stories about baseball in Japan because the Mariners were getting here [TS]

00:04:20   Sasaki was the closer it was a terrific closer for us for a few years and he had [TS]

00:04:26   played for now we wait no or exploit any way he played for the local teams in [TS]

00:04:37   near Tokyo and so she went and interviewed some of the players talk [TS]

00:04:40   about him and what the guy she interviewed i cant member who was an [TS]

00:04:45   American guy and then we went back home and we're watching the playoffs that [TS]

00:04:50   your Boston was in the playoffs that year and he was he was running around [TS]

00:04:55   the bases like that guy so he played in japan and then came against the Red Sox [TS]

00:05:03   picked him up probably in September [TS]

00:05:09   I don't know very strange strange stories but I guess the big news talk [TS]

00:05:21   about news won't take the show seriously I guess the big news this week is Google [TS]

00:05:25   buying nast that would be a right to gymnast I do not I do not either even [TS]

00:05:34   though I kind of wood wine is decidedly old-school just seems like a good idea [TS]

00:05:41   but I never really got around to something that I really care that much [TS]

00:05:45   about yeah yeah I work at home work at home so I never liked driving home and [TS]

00:05:51   hoping to have the heat turned up more or less and I do kind of hate our [TS]

00:05:57   thermostat you I but sure but like three hundred and sixty three days out of the [TS]

00:06:04   year I really just wanted like hit up arrow down arrow which work pretty well [TS]

00:06:10   and the other two days as when it's like how do you switch it from like sometimes [TS]

00:06:16   turning on the heat sometimes turning off teehee to sometimes turning on the [TS]

00:06:20   air sometimes turning off their and every time I have to do that I get [TS]

00:06:23   totally lost and I might be doing it wrong and I think I should buy a nest [TS]

00:06:29   figured out you know six months later it's not something I want to drop to [TS]

00:06:34   under 50 bucks on yeah it's not that even though it does seem you know [TS]

00:06:41   beautiful ya know it's wonderfully well designed it would it would be nice but [TS]

00:06:48   it's not what I got other problems right [TS]

00:06:51   many many other problems you know and I've always thought it was a decidedly [TS]

00:06:56   Apple like approach not just because it's a bunch of people like Tony Fadell [TS]

00:07:00   and a lot of people he's hired it came from Apple and not just because it's [TS]

00:07:04   visually attractive [TS]

00:07:06   but because it has come into this market and simply didn't just come in 10 [TS]

00:07:15   percent battery came in and like looks twenty years in the future from [TS]

00:07:20   everything else on the market and and nobody had really mean people might [TS]

00:07:24   mutter under their breath for a while about their missteps but nobody really [TS]

00:07:26   saw that coming just in overwhelmingly better concept for how the whole thing [TS]

00:07:32   should be designed and work which to me is very apolipoprotein it to me that's [TS]

00:07:37   exactly like what the iPhone was to the market completely rethinking the problem [TS]

00:07:42   right [TS]

00:07:43   it what their iPod was to portable music players [TS]

00:07:47   completely rethinking the problem you know screw this ten songs in your pocket [TS]

00:07:53   or a spinning CD in your pocket its thousand songs in your pocket right and [TS]

00:08:01   you can I don't know I mean seems like it's a good it seems like it's a good [TS]

00:08:04   buy for Google but it doesn't seem like Apple missed out on anything [TS]

00:08:09   particularly no and the reports are you know and I trust is Kara Swisher I know [TS]

00:08:15   there's a tree code we say recoded we say Reese lash code [TS]

00:08:20   I'm not saying read / [TS]

00:08:24   maybe this is the first time this summer I don't know but it's the first time I [TS]

00:08:30   think I've mentioned it on the show and but I thought about it when the name was [TS]

00:08:33   announced you know this is the former team of all things D is now read / code [TS]

00:08:39   code is that to me and maybe I watched too many police dramas on TV and movies [TS]

00:08:48   like that but it sounds to me like you know like they're trying to get these [TS]

00:08:51   guys on the rico statute [TS]

00:08:53   Rico Rico you know they lined up all the criminals in the last Batman movie [TS]

00:09:01   my wife who is an attorney immediately like eg anytime anything like that ever [TS]

00:09:08   happens I don't or and she gives me either so give me either the Tyrol its [TS]

00:09:15   know which is funny because when she went something like that legally comes [TS]

00:09:22   up in a in a movie or TV show I will look to her and say is this is this [TS]

00:09:26   right is this even in the ballpark and showed you know give me like the look on [TS]

00:09:31   her face will tell me but whenever it's a computer related thing and i want to i [TS]

00:09:37   want to not interested in like shut up she has no interest in the plausibility [TS]

00:09:43   nerd and the possibility of their of their computer related happy to accept [TS]

00:09:52   everything that Sandra Bullock says in the flag at work [TS]

00:10:02   be sloppy the Mac to Mac TVx [TS]

00:10:19   nice product placement in that one movie anyway Kara Swisher Rico and was Kara [TS]

00:10:26   Swisher somebody Rico reported that Apple wasn't even really a serious [TS]

00:10:30   better than nobody was you know that when it came down to it I guess you know [TS]

00:10:33   as often happens with these acquisitions they were going for a second round of VC [TS]

00:10:38   funding at a higher valuation [TS]

00:10:40   and you know rather than take another round of funding Google's I global for [TS]

00:10:47   3.2 billion dollars which I believe is you know it's it's all relative [TS]

00:10:55   and it's you know it's not that much because they spent twelve billion on [TS]

00:10:59   Motorola but it's actually the second biggest acquisition ever made it was [TS]

00:11:05   overture the ad company I may be getting the name of the ad company long but it [TS]

00:11:10   for five years ago they bought an ad company for three and three billion [TS]

00:11:15   dollars and so it is a pretty big deal you know if it's the second biggest ever [TS]

00:11:21   end and the when they bought the ad company was so clear why they were doing [TS]

00:11:26   it because of how does Google make ninety-seven percent of the money buy [TS]

00:11:29   ads online at so of course they're gonna buy other companies where the Motorola [TS]

00:11:35   thing is a little bit more you know why exactly what they spent twelve billion [TS]

00:11:39   dollars on this what were they thinking and with nast I think it's you know it [TS]

00:11:45   is not quite clear why everybody seemed to jump on it immediately or at least [TS]

00:11:53   the people I tend to follow who are a little bit more Google skeptical Google [TS]

00:11:58   cautious you know immediately thought and I have to admit the thought jumped [TS]

00:12:06   in my head is do you want Google collecting and there's smoke detectors [TS]

00:12:12   to smoke detectors have you know I don't know who knows what kind of sensors and [TS]

00:12:15   presumably they could eventually add cameras to these things you know you [TS]

00:12:20   know what i mean but even without it even as the products stand today with [TS]

00:12:24   some kind of integration that Google would be collecting and tying it to you [TS]

00:12:27   or you know their sense of your identity [TS]

00:12:30   sure you know when your home for example they definitely you know that's the [TS]

00:12:35   whole point of nest is that nasa knows when you're home and adjust the [TS]

00:12:38   temperature accordingly you know that you you save money and you know save [TS]

00:12:43   energy by keeping the house not running the air conditioner heater so much when [TS]

00:12:49   the house is empty [TS]

00:12:51   do you want Google to know that what could they you know how can they use [TS]

00:12:55   that to further show you you know creepy ads for sweaters yeah so they asked if I [TS]

00:13:10   was in the market for one now I don't I would really seriously think twice about [TS]

00:13:15   I got her I got a lot of email and Twitter replies and I think I tried to [TS]

00:13:22   be cautiously you know neutral in terms of the Privacy aspects of it rather than [TS]

00:13:33   jump to any conclusions [TS]

00:13:35   you know I tried to do the opposite of fanning the flames of of assuming that [TS]

00:13:42   Google is going to be collected as much intruding data as they can get out of [TS]

00:13:47   these devices that's not what I did but we entered so I got a lot of that [TS]

00:13:54   replies from people who either a immediately said I i havent nest and now [TS]

00:13:59   I really deeply regret it and I'm thinking about taking it out yeah I got [TS]

00:14:03   a couple more plays like that and be people who said you know I was really [TS]

00:14:07   thinking about getting one of these and now no way [TS]

00:14:11   now it is also the case that the sort of people who write me emails or even heard [TS]

00:14:18   it or not [TS]

00:14:19   disinclined to be well they're not typical consumers in general and be [TS]

00:14:23   there a little bit you know a little bit more on the as Google and Apple sort of [TS]

00:14:30   a sort of rivalry you know they're clearly more likely to be on the Apple [TS]

00:14:35   site and it's also about business model is not just about taking sides it's it's [TS]

00:14:40   buying into a certain business model where you buy something and it's yours [TS]

00:14:44   without with fewer ties and people may argue with that definition the [TS]

00:14:51   difference between Google and Apple but you know when you're using Gmail there [TS]

00:14:59   are there are certain and you know your your sucked into Google+ and your site [TS]

00:15:03   and all these other things in the other trying to get to get you to accept [TS]

00:15:07   emails from Google+ users that you don't know all this stuff there's there's a [TS]

00:15:13   lot of extra baggage there is my it's always been my concern with it so it's [TS]

00:15:18   it's that it's their business moments not nothing about Google itself has come [TS]

00:15:22   back to that responsibility come back to the business model go long on that I [TS]

00:15:28   think it's a big part of the sort of divide our first sponsor to talk to you [TS]

00:15:33   about her old friends longtime sponsors of the show [TS]

00:15:36   Drobo Drobo you don't know why do personal storage you buy it [TS]

00:15:46   you change physical hard drives in this thing and it just all the Drobo [TS]

00:15:51   magically makes it appear as a single unit of story where I mean so you can [TS]

00:15:58   have a Drobo [TS]

00:15:59   that has let's say a six terabyte Drobo and it has 32 terabyte drives in it it [TS]

00:16:06   just looks like a six terabyte drive to your Mac and then if it starts to fill [TS]

00:16:11   up what you can do is at a certain point it'll give you these all morning that [TS]

00:16:16   you can't just take one of those drives out just pop it out like a Ford terabyte [TS]

00:16:22   drive in to replace that one and it'll just make it all work it freaks me out [TS]

00:16:25   every time because in the old days you couldn't even disconnect the Finder the [TS]

00:16:34   finders trained as to be so right about taking drives out right I did this just [TS]

00:16:41   the other day cuz I took a drive and iMac and put a new drive to speed it up [TS]

00:16:51   a little bit old iMac and so I took the drive from the iMac and put it in my [TS]

00:16:54   dream home and I've done it several times before just supposed to be doing [TS]

00:17:00   and everything works the Drobo simplifies storage so significantly it's [TS]

00:17:06   it's just it like magic now they have three miles from Mac users they have the [TS]

00:17:12   Drobo 5d five drive system with thunderbolt and USB 3 they have the [TS]

00:17:19   Drobo five and and as for network 25 drive network storage system that [TS]

00:17:25   connects via Gigabit Ethernet [TS]

00:17:27   and they have the Drobo mini which is designed for portability its emphasizes [TS]

00:17:33   size and wheat which is available in 45 drive models with your choice of [TS]

00:17:42   interfaces Gigabit Ethernet or Gigabit I'm sorry too fast to set up to a bow [TS]

00:17:50   and after you set it up you just you just can't just ignore you don't have to [TS]

00:17:55   do any kind of management on a regular basis so that then just look at the [TS]

00:17:58   lights to make sure it's not for you just plug in the drives plug in the [TS]

00:18:02   power connector Mac and then use the Drobo Dashboard the formatted and off [TS]

00:18:05   you go blue [TS]

00:18:07   indicators show how full the Drobo is each one represents 10% so you just [TS]

00:18:12   think about maybe putting another drive in if you have empty bays replacing the [TS]

00:18:21   smaller one with the bigger capacity drive it really it sounds too good to be [TS]

00:18:27   true and I you know I know that the idea of just drive a good thing it actually [TS]

00:18:34   makes my heart hurt a little bit but it works I swear it works I've got the [TS]

00:18:40   Drobo 5d here and it does exactly what they say so you can buy it is the ways [TS]

00:18:48   that you can buy a Drobo you could buy let's just say I can read but there's [TS]

00:18:54   different price but it's sort of like buying a computer if you want to buy [TS]

00:18:57   your own program for your computer you can do that or you can buy it stocked [TS]

00:19:02   with drives already i think im like buying RAM from Apple where they kind of [TS]

00:19:07   charger premium I think the drive prices that they sell it pretty reasonable but [TS]

00:19:11   just for example you could buy 0 terabyte Drobo five min [TS]

00:19:17   in other words you're going to supply your own hard drives for $549 you get a [TS]

00:19:21   5d for $6.99 you can get here is the biggest 120 terabytes thats 54 terabyte [TS]

00:19:28   drives 1500 bucks and 1745 tea but that's a huge as 20 terabytes of storage [TS]

00:19:35   you get a 60 sort of middle of the road with 32 terabyte drives to open slots [TS]

00:19:41   that you could fill later just plug in the drive in and magically the volume [TS]

00:19:46   will appear to be bigger when you get to call nine hundred bucks really really [TS]

00:19:51   good prices and it's just an amazing device so it you know part of the magic [TS]

00:19:56   of it is that it duplicates the data across the drives are you having a [TS]

00:20:04   device which is how the magic of point out is that no one physical drive holds [TS]

00:20:10   you put a new drive in it is sort of three copies propagates that the data [TS]

00:20:17   can emphasize enough how much did just works [TS]

00:20:21   product they've been around for a couple years and I know a ton of people who are [TS]

00:20:27   very happy Drobo users to check them out here is where you go to find out more go [TS]

00:20:30   to www.proposts.com [TS]

00:20:34   and check it out yeah I've had mine for years now and it's just been a long day [TS]

00:20:43   of all the base for [TS]

00:20:45   I have now have a peaceful I'm one of those things are you a little bit longer [TS]

00:20:51   but we get to the point where I'm gonna I'm either gonna need to redo the drives [TS]

00:20:56   because they're they're just I'm just teasing terribly so I could up to drive [TS]

00:21:00   space but I have to reformat it because of the way for men in the first place [TS]

00:21:05   because I maxed out cause I got it so long ago that sought out four terabytes [TS]

00:21:10   america will never go up to four terabytes never anymore 640 kilobytes so [TS]

00:21:19   business models I do that I almost think that this gets overlooked in and writing [TS]

00:21:26   about this growing divide because like in the old days when there let's say the [TS]

00:21:34   divide that you and I care most about was sort of the Microsoft vs Intel vs [TS]

00:21:40   Mac sort of thing you know there was a subtle divide where Apple was making [TS]

00:21:49   most of its money by selling hardware but everybody more or less saw the [TS]

00:21:53   rivalry is more about Mac first Windows rather than Mac vs Apple vs Dell vs HP [TS]

00:21:59   vs compact by everybody was in it to make money you know by people buying [TS]

00:22:08   hardware and software so Microsoft income from windows in office was people [TS]

00:22:15   would buy a PC in the PC and Windows preloaded any OEM would kick you know [TS]

00:22:19   some 1525 whatever dollars [TS]

00:22:22   up to Microsoft for the Windows version that was included in Intel got paid for [TS]

00:22:27   the CPU that was in it and it was all more or less about you know people would [TS]

00:22:32   make a purchase and the purchase price was higher than the cost of goods and [TS]

00:22:38   that difference was the profit for who made it and so in effect there were [TS]

00:22:41   still sort of the same you know sort of an old-fashioned you know this is how [TS]

00:22:47   commerce is always work whereas with Apple and Google it is very different [TS]

00:22:51   for Google is onerous will give you everything for free for the most part I [TS]

00:22:56   mean obviously like the Nexus devices aren't free they're significantly [TS]

00:23:02   discounted [TS]

00:23:03   they are you know an unlocked Nexus 5 phone which it's not exactly a spec for [TS]

00:23:09   spec equivalent to an iPhone I think the iPhone is definitely in some regards [TS]

00:23:13   qualifies as a higher caliber device but it's like $399 to start whereas an [TS]

00:23:20   iPhone is I don't think like $600 something like that but for the most [TS]

00:23:26   part where people see them as competing it's you know they're giving it away and [TS]

00:23:29   you know and it affects Google versus Microsoft to where Microsoft is always [TS]

00:23:35   you know hasn't traditionally made devices they just license the OS but [TS]

00:23:40   they do it for money whereas Google's Android is really disrupted windows by [TS]

00:23:47   just saying here take it you know and you can either take it the way we want [TS]

00:23:51   to take it with all of our services and stuff and will promote it will give it [TS]

00:23:55   that store or you know you could even do like what Amazon is done and take take [TS]

00:24:01   it as an open source thing and orkut and do your own complete derivative of it [TS]

00:24:06   and I think that gets overlooked but they're still there still so you have [TS]

00:24:11   nothing is really free world that there's no such thing as a free lunch [TS]

00:24:16   but [TS]

00:24:18   you do pay eventually somehow and with Google services for the most part you [TS]

00:24:22   pay your privacy you know that you get free email from Gmail but they don't [TS]

00:24:31   just parts your email working for spam they parser email for everything and [TS]

00:24:35   then show you add related to it so if you're you know I guess I don't know I [TS]

00:24:40   don't use the Gmail interface much but it seems like if you're emailing [TS]

00:24:44   somebody about buying a car you start seeing ads for cars you know some people [TS]

00:24:51   obviously a lot of people think that's a fine tradeoff in a willing to do it but [TS]

00:24:56   it's a very different model yeah and I don't have it I mean I certainly not [TS]

00:24:59   with anybody who prefers that prefers a lower cost option that Saturday's fine [TS]

00:25:06   but it's not what I want from my experience and i also think that there [TS]

00:25:13   is no surprise there anybody who follows my writing for the show which not [TS]

00:25:26   surprised by that I'd rather pay for quality and just have the transaction be [TS]

00:25:31   done [TS]

00:25:32   data collection behind it but I totally understand how other people would see it [TS]

00:25:39   that way if you don't care that Google is doing that and you think this is [TS]

00:25:44   great I'm saving all this money on software because I'm getting it all free [TS]

00:25:47   from Google I totally understand that I don't I don't agree with it personally I [TS]

00:25:51   don't feel that way but I could see a somebody else would but I feel like a [TS]

00:25:54   lot of the people on the other side think that the people who paid like to [TS]

00:25:58   pay for stuff from Apple or from other companies [TS]

00:26:02   they somehow cannot wrap their heads around then think that you know then [TS]

00:26:09   start down the road of the Cult of Mac and and I think to me that's the biggest [TS]

00:26:15   that's the bigger problem but there's also the sort of Walmart effect that [TS]

00:26:20   we're because Google moves into these markets and and then drives a bunch of [TS]

00:26:25   people out of business and then reduces the number of options and then maybe [TS]

00:26:33   abandons it right and they've done before they've done in certain cases [TS]

00:26:36   Google Reader [TS]

00:26:38   i think is the example that would resonate with our audience that they [TS]

00:26:45   truly def dominate came into the RSS market and just devastated I mean if [TS]

00:26:51   they had had their heart in in Google Reader you know it would have been I [TS]

00:26:57   guess for the better for people who like Google Reader that that they would have [TS]

00:27:04   been one vibrant RSS reader laugh but what they do you know they came in put [TS]

00:27:09   everyone else out of business by doing everything for free and then they lost [TS]

00:27:14   interest in it and it just weathered I mean at least it's coming back a little [TS]

00:27:20   bit now that it's sort of a period of growth from something that was squashed [TS]

00:27:29   so what do you think I what do you think Google is thinking when they bought nest [TS]

00:27:35   well I think there's [TS]

00:27:38   buying me but I'm buying Tony Fadell as part of that right that's what I i [TS]

00:27:45   really am and it wasn't just me trying to write a column that was [TS]

00:27:49   not about data collection but I really do think especially for 3.2 billion [TS]

00:27:54   which again not that much compared to Motorola but it's a lot of money [TS]

00:27:58   especially for a company that i think is only currently at like a hundred and [TS]

00:28:02   some million dollars in revenue a year bigger picture and I just I R I don't [TS]

00:28:14   have never met Tony Fadell but I just get the feeling that he's a lot more [TS]

00:28:18   ambitious than that but it was never about thermostats and smoke and they [TS]

00:28:24   were invested Google Ventures was invested and test prior to this and so I [TS]

00:28:30   haven't read about how that worked about how what that how that month a [TS]

00:28:38   transaction works out when Google Ventures as an investor in something [TS]

00:28:43   that they end up buying yeah and answering but it more or less it's not [TS]

00:28:50   quite like three billion dollars because a lot of that three billion or Lisa [TS]

00:28:54   significant chunk of israel's their own Google Ventures it's a little bit of [TS]

00:28:59   left hand what's the phrase rob Peter to pay Paul [TS]

00:29:07   planting [TS]

00:29:13   so correlated to the next thing I say this why do you think Apple wasn't [TS]

00:29:20   interested will they don't they needed to the tune of 3.2 million dollars I [TS]

00:29:26   mean they have product people and there's no doubt that $25 a great [TS]

00:29:32   product I M Google really needs a great product by more than half I agree on [TS]

00:29:39   both parts I think if they really wanted Tony Fadell they would have kept him [TS]

00:29:43   yeah and and and but my understanding is that when fidel left Apple it was not it [TS]

00:29:49   may not have been singing Kumbaya you know I think it was slightly contentious [TS]

00:29:54   but I think in a very professional way we're not provide I shouldn't say [TS]

00:29:58   professor isn't quite right but not in a contentious way late with Scott Forstall [TS]

00:30:01   were forestall yeah he was forced out right [TS]

00:30:05   forced always like a game of Thrones type thing you know you know you know [TS]

00:30:14   somehow there's blood all that sounds fair that's a job even think about that [TS]

00:30:22   but I think he i think he was taken by surprise is more what I think I don't i [TS]

00:30:28   dont I don't think for stocks are coming and I think it was cleaved you know [TS]

00:30:35   where I think with fidel it was you know like a handshake and you know who did [TS]

00:30:43   you know there was a rumor of the lady that he didn't get along with John [TS]

00:30:49   yeah that comes from Leander Connie's new book which I haven't read yet I do I [TS]

00:30:58   should that's really did it really seems almost professionally negligent that I [TS]

00:31:02   haven't but but I haven't read that I don't know I might be true I don't know [TS]

00:31:09   you know could be I always thought it was a little bit more with forestall [TS]

00:31:24   even though forestall by all accounts that i've ever heard really had nothing [TS]

00:31:29   to do with the design of iPhone hardware but he you know until he was ousted he [TS]

00:31:35   was the undisputed leader of violence software you know other than Steve Jobs [TS]

00:31:42   in a dog stem back from the early days of how are they going to you know when [TS]

00:31:48   it committed to build a phone use and strip it down any use the iPhone OS and [TS]

00:31:56   to rebuild it up and that Tony Fadell [TS]

00:31:59   iPod or something like it some other things like a sort of an embedded [TS]

00:32:05   systems type thing based on and build that up as I go home and basically a so [TS]

00:32:12   basically the new wave of iPods would be based on iPhones I well but but also was [TS]

00:32:20   in charge of pods and it was probably clearly becoming clear that that [TS]

00:32:28   division would be less important right in the future and would also probably be [TS]

00:32:33   pushed into using software that was under control right well they were right [TS]

00:32:39   like in the first iPod Touch and it to my understanding I don't even know if [TS]

00:32:43   there is a division anymore because I mean who knows what's going on with ya [TS]

00:32:48   with nine iPod touch iPod but like the original iPod Touch which came out three [TS]

00:32:54   three months after the iPhone was built by the same people who did the iPhone I [TS]

00:33:00   mean clearly software wise it was i mean I think the only difference was that [TS]

00:33:03   they had instead of having an epic member the iPhone for a couple of years [TS]

00:33:08   had an app called iPod the iPod it had two apps music video but other than that [TS]

00:33:16   it was the exact same software so I said I always thought that that was my [TS]

00:33:20   understanding somewhat informed I don't have any direct source no secret you [TS]

00:33:24   know high-level source who absolutely positively confirmed it but when I wrote [TS]

00:33:29   about it nobody usually having to fight taking informed gas and I'm wrong [TS]

00:33:33   somebody will correct me off the record and then I'll try to correct it publicly [TS]

00:33:38   but like the story I've heard and told him his number corrected on his moral as [TS]

00:33:41   the dow and Steve Stockman and a few others built you know where you know [TS]

00:33:48   like two teams one team went to build an iPhone that was based on like a Linux [TS]

00:33:53   embedded system things sort of like not who knows with the interface would have [TS]

00:33:57   been like but effectively like more like what we knew of that as iPods and burt [TS]

00:34:05   Ron and survey and forestall engineering and design went off to let's take [TS]

00:34:15   Pakistan and build something new that could run on a fun sized device and you [TS]

00:34:21   know that's the side that won and when they did you know that was clearly the [TS]

00:34:25   new a team and Apple infidel wasn't really part of it and the way I [TS]

00:34:29   remembered pretty much the way I phrased it done during fireball was that you [TS]

00:34:32   know the iPhone is clearly the new a team and Tony Fadell doesn't seem like a [TS]

00:34:36   BTM guy and so I wasn't like he was pushed out and it wasn't contentious I [TS]

00:34:41   think he just saw that he was no longer you know when he was leading the iPod [TS]

00:34:46   division he was the leader of the 18 and up so he left but I don't think it was [TS]

00:34:52   contentious and yeah and I also think and I think you mentioned the same thing [TS]

00:34:57   that if Apple wanted to build a smart thermostat of their own they could but [TS]

00:35:01   they don't need to buy someone to do it doesn't seem like there's still wasn't [TS]

00:35:08   as important they want to get into home automation then yeah I guess they could [TS]

00:35:16   they could have bought them but it seems like they could also just do the same [TS]

00:35:20   thing [TS]

00:35:21   3.2 billion dollars [TS]

00:35:23   what stop the lying around which will take a break and take a break and we'll [TS]

00:35:34   come back to it I want to come back to the Walter Isaacson our next sponsor is [TS]

00:35:45   apt dot dot I owe you still using pictures and videos to market your app [TS]

00:35:52   are you not getting the downloads or exposure that your appt deserves then [TS]

00:35:59   why don't you try a playable demo instead at a p.i oh they enable your [TS]

00:36:05   native iOS app to be playable in any browser no plugins are downloads just [TS]

00:36:11   click on Play instantly it's super easy embeddable anywhere and takes less than [TS]

00:36:17   30 seconds to enable your app you can create a playable demo now at abdallah I [TS]

00:36:23   check this out for best parade it and we don't use it I can't say that we use it [TS]

00:36:28   but it is absolutely on a list of maybe and it it really is what they say it [TS]

00:36:36   gives you sort of like watching a menu when somebody put like a screencast [TS]

00:36:43   movie of the app on the website except instead of just being recorded movie of [TS]

00:36:49   some actions the things that a palatable the things that are scrollable [TS]

00:36:52   scrollable kind of black magic after say I heard and I was like how can that be [TS]

00:37:00   doesn't really seem right [TS]

00:37:07   but it works so where do you go to find out more go to app APPG . www.apple.com [TS]

00:37:16   and and check it out and they have some great demos and you can see for yourself [TS]

00:37:23   actually I'm playing games on it right now it's a you give them your native app [TS]

00:37:29   and they turn it into this thing somehow it's not like some kind of talk it where [TS]

00:37:33   you build your whole app out of you know web page elements or something like that [TS]

00:37:37   you don't have to know you start by building a regular app and then they [TS]

00:37:41   turn it into the demo it's not like a framework or something like that they [TS]

00:37:44   have to start with from scratch so if you're an app developer you really [TS]

00:37:48   should check it out just to satisfy your curiosity how the damping words to [TS]

00:37:53   really pretty interesting [TS]

00:37:55   computer magic wrapped up and that's interesting what I say we're gonna come [TS]

00:38:05   back 200 isaacson Steve Jobs biographer guy wanted to terrible decision jobs [TS]

00:38:11   might pick in this is now he's like like you know now everybody said before you [TS]

00:38:18   wrote the book with this guy's never really covered technology at all [TS]

00:38:21   doesn't seem to have any and and now is appearing on CNN talking here see you [TS]

00:38:26   right now he's an expert technology and innovation the I word man innovation has [TS]

00:38:33   got to be like in their whole since Steve Jobs died this is gonna be like [TS]

00:38:41   the defining word Apple news coverage pro or con is you know this innovation [TS]

00:38:50   everything is innovation [TS]

00:38:52   so he's on CNBC and what did he say well what a crazy stuff basically me [TS]

00:39:05   basically saying that Google is now out [TS]

00:39:07   innovating apple and this acquisition nest is just another sign of that which [TS]

00:39:12   can understand at all because buying somebody is not innovating they haven't [TS]

00:39:19   shipped anything based on the acquisition yeah I guess you could say [TS]

00:39:24   that they're shipping nests from Google will be as of the equity acquisitions [TS]

00:39:31   close but there's no there's no new thing that's come out of this [TS]

00:39:35   acquisition yet and I think that's nothing its innovative and the thing [TS]

00:39:40   that gets me is a he compares it directly to the iPhone finally hitting [TS]

00:39:46   the china mobile network in China Mobile is is not just like another carrier in [TS]

00:39:52   China it's the biggest by far [TS]

00:39:57   mobile carrier in China and the iPhone hadn't been on it officially things are [TS]

00:40:03   really comfortable [TS]

00:40:04   they're not comfortable the same thing as an acquisition is a distribution deal [TS]

00:40:11   right and it just seems to me like they just happened to be the two things [TS]

00:40:16   related to the two companies that are in the news this week so in terms of the [TS]

00:40:22   broad scope big picture which company is more innovative than the other what what [TS]

00:40:28   could be less relevant than just the two most recent bits of data that just [TS]

00:40:33   happened to come out the week that he's on the show like it seems like the worst [TS]

00:40:38   kind of trying to draw so short-sighted innovative this week this week in [TS]

00:40:56   innovation one of the companies which is notoriously secretive yeah the windows [TS]

00:41:03   open about everything right when I get everything done everything but likes to [TS]

00:41:07   talk about what it is doing all the time [TS]

00:41:09   anybody even somebody who would like to make the case that Apple is is more [TS]

00:41:16   innovative than any other company that their number one and number two is so [TS]

00:41:21   far behind they're not even worth talking about [TS]

00:41:23   I don't even think that person would want to argue that the iPhone hitting [TS]

00:41:27   China Mobile is innovative I mean it's it's another carrier it happens to be a [TS]

00:41:32   massively large carrier and but that nobody would argue the debts innovative [TS]

00:41:37   from a technology standpoint it's just simply a a very large potential source [TS]

00:41:42   of new iPhone users just a business to business deal yeah I mean I don't think [TS]

00:41:47   anybody could argue otherwise I mean there's a bit of trickery involved where [TS]

00:41:55   I think that the iPhones that they are shipping to china mobile or technically [TS]

00:41:58   different as KU's because China Mobile uses a bizarro the short like the [TS]

00:42:03   Verizon of China with having a bizarro networks back network and so the antenna [TS]

00:42:09   is just tuned to a different you know but but that's you know and then [TS]

00:42:15   somewhere inside Apple those who listen to the talk show is suddenly crying my [TS]

00:42:23   eyes out because he's probably at the lake Salt Fermat's Last Theorem to get [TS]

00:42:31   it working the hardest thing anybody has ever done and we got a gold medal from [TS]

00:42:37   Tim Cook and was told you can never tell anybody take this to your grave in [TS]

00:42:41   Multan group yeah sorry I named antenna engineers work is very innovative we [TS]

00:42:58   value your contribution night so here's the other thing I quoted [TS]

00:43:03   this is a quote from Isaac's house want to be careful with things like this [TS]

00:43:07   because it matters what he actually said and how they phrases like the headline [TS]

00:43:15   that CNBC used is Google steals innovation crowd from Apple corn [TS]

00:43:22   isaacson but I don't think as far as I can tell that's not a he didn't say [TS]

00:43:27   Google has stolen innovation that's the headline they've put on his plan he's [TS]

00:43:31   definitely arguing that Google is more innovative but that that phrase that [TS]

00:43:35   they've stolen the crown is down you know sensationalizing it but here is an [TS]

00:43:40   actual quote I think Steve Jobs would have wanted as the next disruptive thing [TS]

00:43:45   to either have wearable like watches a TV I i shouldnt mark because I'm sure if [TS]

00:43:54   you took the transcript of this show I say all sorts of things that I wouldn't [TS]

00:43:58   write yeah we're watching this is really hard to do that I think what he meant is [TS]

00:44:06   wearable devices like watches watches all you get almost where this what it's [TS]

00:44:18   really really just an eleven some reason the band is only three inches it's [TS]

00:44:23   really just an 11 inch MacBook Air with letters but it has a hardware keyboard [TS]

00:44:30   or any Zee TV that you can walk into the room and say put on Squawk Box squawk [TS]

00:44:39   boxes in the show on CNBC that he was appearing on [TS]

00:44:42   dot dot dot or disrupt the digital camera industry or disrupt textbooks now [TS]

00:44:49   that's a part of my proposed entering fireball that I actually don't know how [TS]

00:44:54   the textbook thing has gone without pets I think it was two years where they had [TS]

00:45:00   the special textbook of aunt and her I hope that wasn't three years ago I [TS]

00:45:13   thought it was two years ago but I author was the thing called I can [TS]

00:45:19   remember I don't like clingy I works after January 2012 education event so [TS]

00:45:35   I'm correct two years ago didn't follow it up last year you know and that's a [TS]

00:45:40   little unusual for Apple it was sort of like a one off event that was like [TS]

00:45:44   nothing they've done before or since you know just sort of Education invented new [TS]

00:45:50   location and they didn't follow it up last year I don't know I haven't heard [TS]

00:45:54   anything about anything this year I don't know how that's going then I [TS]

00:45:58   realized you know just seeing him say that I would be curious to hear you know [TS]

00:46:03   some people in in education they have a new guy watching them now we should I [TS]

00:46:20   was books textbooks but now I guess not but anyway I do think they're trying to [TS]

00:46:28   disrupt text books at the various but the other part about digital camera [TS]

00:46:32   industry I mean is he not have you gone to any sort of touristy type location [TS]

00:46:38   anytime recently and seen what people are doing [TS]

00:46:42   with their iPhones and you know as as I'm really trying to get over my my [TS]

00:46:49   aversion to it iPads as cameras I mean it it I would argue that they've and [TS]

00:46:58   maybe that's not quite sure but I think it's very close that that seven years in [TS]

00:47:03   the iPhone is disrupted the camera industry as much as it has the phone [TS]

00:47:07   industry I just think I think a big part of it is that it's called the iPhone but [TS]

00:47:14   I personally you how much sense with me for Apple to start making a digital [TS]

00:47:19   camera now although I kinda wish that they would but I kinda wish today I went [TS]

00:47:28   to a printer but I would buy for me before my wife I would bias somewhat [TS]

00:47:33   thicker iPhone that had a better camera and therefore I by making it the lens [TS]

00:47:39   could be a little bigger the center could be bigger need to be more distance [TS]

00:47:42   from a little bit more distance from the lens to the center but I completely [TS]

00:47:48   understand why they don't want to do that but you know there's no doubt from [TS]

00:47:54   me that the vast majority of photos I take anymore even though I'm sort of [TS]

00:47:58   testing amateur camera guy on my iPhone but if you go anywhere I mean I was in [TS]

00:48:09   Penn Station Grand Central Station has the Apple Store [TS]

00:48:18   December and had a waiter at a wait for a few minutes and I just was like [TS]

00:48:24   walking you know it's a beautiful beautiful Concourse and it just was just [TS]

00:48:26   looking at people just people watching and because it's such a beautiful [TS]

00:48:30   Concourse and its tourist destination you just people after people after [TS]

00:48:39   people taking photos with their phones and all I can think is that you know ten [TS]

00:48:44   years ago [TS]

00:48:45   there'd be I would say almost no one taking pictures period because it's you [TS]

00:48:49   know people wouldn't have their s not like sure outside the Empire State [TS]

00:48:54   Building have always been tourists with cameras taking pictures of the building [TS]

00:48:57   but now it's like people take pictures everywhere and they're doing it with the [TS]

00:49:00   phone I think it's one of the biggest disruptions ever hears a good way to put [TS]

00:49:08   it I if I had if if the phone on my iphone broke its under warranty adds two [TS]

00:49:16   new 5s I would take it to the Apple store but I may not go today if the [TS]

00:49:20   camera broke i would i would i would go today and I had those like Dustin and my [TS]

00:49:29   camera I was getting these spots on my pictures to her right here right over [TS]

00:49:34   emergency because you know you know you might have a good picture to take [TS]

00:49:37   tonight yeah I know if I had to go away [TS]

00:49:42   for the next week and I had two iPhones both configured with all my stuff on it [TS]

00:49:47   and choose one of one of them couldn't make phone calls and one of them [TS]

00:49:51   couldn't take photos and now I'm saying literally the phone the phone app that [TS]

00:49:56   let's say that somehow the phone calls but the data still works I would take [TS]

00:50:03   the one that working camera it's way more of a camera to me that if I have a [TS]

00:50:11   hard time thinking these days about what Apple should do next [TS]

00:50:16   really gets to me we used to have it seemed to be easier [TS]

00:50:21   five years ago like 10 years ago now I'm in the wearables thing I guess but I [TS]

00:50:29   have a hard time wrapping my head around that it seems so much less concrete [TS]

00:50:33   seems very well-defined right now and then apart from that ICC just see too [TS]

00:50:40   many problems with everything else on the television doesn't take much sounds [TS]

00:50:43   so you got something because I think there's something to be said for the [TS]

00:50:52   fact that mean you'll ever Patel wrote a piece a few months ago now I think back [TS]

00:50:57   after the October conference call with analysts were they reported their [TS]

00:51:03   results where Tim Cook was saying again we've got new things coming in the [TS]

00:51:09   pipeline and he was Patel was pointing out that ok she's been saying this for a [TS]

00:51:14   kind of a while now and I think there's something to that there were kinda [TS]

00:51:21   getting to the point where they introduce something completely new [TS]

00:51:27   I don't think they have to to do well but it would be you know it's kind of [TS]

00:51:35   the point where we're sort of expecting something I think Patel's column on that [TS]

00:51:40   is kind of interesting Africa finally made it I forget why some something [TS]

00:51:48   disinclined to link to it but [TS]

00:51:53   was not so much that the that they should have done something now and that [TS]

00:52:00   there you know which is the layman's screwed cudgel argument against him cook [TS]

00:52:05   that it's already a failure because they haven't already shipped something his [TS]

00:52:09   argument was a little bit more about what quick was saying that what he says [TS]

00:52:15   publicly you know which is rare because it's not like he's on TV all the time [TS]

00:52:19   bob and I mean it's pretty much like going to AllThingsD called the reef [TS]

00:52:25   recode now or whatever [TS]

00:52:27   conference in June or May I kinda disagree and the gas but it somehow it [TS]

00:52:35   does I don't know it's like somehow Steve Jobs could do the same thing as a [TS]

00:52:39   little bit more depth about it I get the feeling from watching him I think he's [TS]

00:52:47   he's super well prepared I think Tim Cook prepares for those things to a [TS]

00:52:52   degree that a lazy son of a bitch like me just can't even because I feel like [TS]

00:52:56   he's he's a little bit more like good like presidential candidate where he's [TS]

00:53:04   prepared for every possible question and has an answer ready and it's all very [TS]

00:53:10   carefully is clearly an extremely careful Speaker I think it would be [TS]

00:53:15   shocking if he ever slipped up and said something you know that he regretted [TS]

00:53:20   he's incredibly prepared very articulate obviously very thoughtful but it's all [TS]

00:53:25   to me a little can prepared like he's already prepared for all these questions [TS]

00:53:31   were as steve Jobs was relieved didn't yeah he didn't do many interviews but he [TS]

00:53:37   I think it like all things D was often off the cuff I think that like the [TS]

00:53:42   famous trucks cars analogy I I wouldn't be surprised if he'd made that before I [TS]

00:53:47   don't think it was completely wholly new to his brain but I do think just [TS]

00:53:50   watching the video I forgot I just watched it a couple weeks ago [TS]

00:53:54   it was a little bit more off the cuff and I think he was a little bit has in [TS]

00:54:00   his mind worked so fast that he was again I would have been surprised if he [TS]

00:54:06   said anything he regretted insofar as hinting at Apple's future play but he [TS]

00:54:15   had a different just had a different way of talking about the future than does [TS]

00:54:19   when I can see that there's sort of it may be teasing a little bit yeah the [TS]

00:54:26   thing they used to drive people nuts about jobs and that Tim Cook to my [TS]

00:54:30   knowledge hasn't done his job said that and everybody knew it I used to live so [TS]

00:54:35   funny but even he would just completely trashed the entire category as being [TS]

00:54:41   beneath anybody's interest until they came up until they came out it was like [TS]

00:54:46   the video plane i pod is maybe the best because they think it came to a fever [TS]

00:54:55   pitch the year that they shipped the one that called the iPod photo to color [TS]

00:54:59   screen you could sink photographs to it and then everybody the Kress a somewhat [TS]

00:55:07   about why not play video games like nobody wants to watch TV shows or movies [TS]

00:55:10   but then why would a why would you want to look at photos right why would you [TS]

00:55:20   want to look at photos and then be the video playing iPod with pretty much the [TS]

00:55:26   same side street a year later and he pulled it off like it I think this is [TS]

00:55:32   the sort of thing that always drove people who didn't like him not pull it [TS]

00:55:36   off like somehow it was very clear in his head that he hadn't contradicted [TS]

00:55:41   himself like he did he believed he had contradicted himself and therefore it [TS]

00:55:46   kind of felt like he had the same thing with the with the I bet many of you live [TS]

00:55:52   like that as well [TS]

00:55:56   well that went in particular though was it was he jumped on a conference call [TS]

00:56:00   and it was when the first rival tablet started coming [TS]

00:56:03   out to the iPad in 2010 so like the iPad came out in February announced in [TS]

00:56:10   February or even later than that [TS]

00:56:12   the first rivals were full size until they realize that they couldn't directly [TS]

00:56:21   compete against the iPad I thought it was later in 2010 and Samsung came out [TS]

00:56:25   with the first Galaxy Tab and it was like an eight inch tablet ur 7.9 inch [TS]

00:56:31   tablet and he trashed it as having a really small touch targets and stuff but [TS]

00:56:38   if you look at the actual words and he said he wasn't seeing small tablets as a [TS]

00:56:41   general concept he was saying these small tablet the ones that are coming [TS]

00:56:46   out right now that we've seen from competitors are terrible devices and [TS]

00:56:51   they have small touch targets in there too fiddly and it was all true and they [TS]

00:56:55   were huge died I'm even by the standards were the iPad still dominates tablet [TS]

00:57:00   purchase and consumption and usage today [TS]

00:57:04   2014 those were the first ones the first Android tablets just for terrible I'm [TS]

00:57:10   going into a Verizon store to see the first Samsung one and it was it was [TS]

00:57:14   really bad because they had no I mean the apps weren't written and that's why [TS]

00:57:19   the stuff was really really was it was like really tie either the stuff with [TS]

00:57:22   bone size there was really really small stuff it was really fit me I think it's [TS]

00:57:30   fair to say he might have been a little pooh-poohing smaller tablets but his his [TS]

00:57:34   scathing criticism was about the actual ones that were on the market but yeah [TS]

00:57:39   you could he could have distracted generals and nobody would ever want to [TS]

00:57:42   tell he couldn't he could have just said no never wanted a bit smaller than that [TS]

00:57:46   in this iPad [TS]

00:57:47   and then probably introduced the iPad and slept like a baby slept alright one [TS]

00:57:58   last month our good friends at the Omni group makers of productivity apps [TS]

00:58:06   including the new gravel sex on the graph is a great way for beginners or [TS]

00:58:14   professionals to work on diagrams layout pages for print or create website and [TS]

00:58:22   app mock-ups it for students designers engineers who matter just go and have a [TS]

00:58:28   look on the gravel six is easiest way to get your information and ideas into a [TS]

00:58:32   beautiful document to share now available on both the Mac App Store and [TS]

00:58:38   his own store new features you can mask images directly on the canvas no need to [TS]

00:58:44   crop before you place the image they have new fill and stroke styles for [TS]

00:58:49   quick and dirty mock-ups when you have a great new designed to show off but you [TS]

00:58:52   want to look as rough as possible to just sort of emphasized that it's a [TS]

00:58:57   wireframe a rough thing you don't want people focusing on the pixel level [TS]

00:59:00   details it's easier to share later access just a click away the shared [TS]

00:59:07   layer quote-unquote this is from the talking points A&B special stuff to make [TS]

00:59:15   designing for retina just plain enjoyable layers stand tact when [TS]

00:59:20   exporting to Photoshop [TS]

00:59:22   thanks to help from Europe flying meet its this is that's the best thing what [TS]

00:59:29   makes the Indy software world max offer world great just me or genius one man [TS]

00:59:34   showed flying me help them out with Photoshop layers which is never talked [TS]

00:59:41   to many engineers worked on trying to to read PST documents you'll you're gonna [TS]

00:59:45   see an engineer who's who's a drinker where do you go to find out more go to [TS]

00:59:52   Omni group dot com it's it's really really just a fantastic app it's always [TS]

00:59:59   been one of the flagships really really great powerful stuff back when I back [TS]

01:00:07   when I worked at the company I used to do all of our network turning graphing [TS]

01:00:15   stuff that I used to do and I'll be grateful because they couldn't put the [TS]

01:00:19   company's standard was his yo I couldn't bear working I would do it on my Mac an [TS]

01:00:26   autograph on then exported to Visio and I i might be misstating this history and [TS]

01:00:31   if I am sure somebody listens to the show i my understanding was that the [TS]

01:00:37   whole origins of on the gravel was that video which is a Windows only in and and [TS]

01:00:43   pretty good for a Windows app but it became like a sort of defacto corporate [TS]

01:00:49   standard because it filled this niche that Microsoft didn't have right would [TS]

01:00:54   excel is spreadsheet and word is the word processing there wasn't an [TS]

01:00:58   equivalent for diagramming and moving graphical elements around on a canvas [TS]

01:01:04   that sort of thing [TS]

01:01:06   which you know and not like illustrator where it's clearly meant for artists you [TS]

01:01:13   know more of a general-purpose diagramming told a complete non artists [TS]

01:01:17   like John Smoltz anybody else used and that the only way everybody's asking for [TS]

01:01:23   video format why don't we just build something like that but make it actually [TS]

01:01:27   like good and I got you know instead of like copying Vizio let's do it the Mac [TS]

01:01:32   thing and you know and and pick some sad story engineer with the job of of [TS]

01:01:38   reverse engineering the video file format that was the thing right that [TS]

01:01:42   they could remain Visio files but that was the whole idea the idea for the app [TS]

01:01:47   was like everybody says this app is great they want them to build a Mac [TS]

01:01:51   version kill them kill the idea by building a true Mac version which would [TS]

01:01:57   be done the same thing with project management to have a great project [TS]

01:02:01   management app right same type thing where instead of copying the windows [TS]

01:02:08   style of microsoft project it's led to do the same thing I saw the same problem [TS]

01:02:13   but do it Mac style great people you can find out more on the dot com what we [TS]

01:02:26   talk about when we still don't know where jobs retail jobs and what's coming [TS]

01:02:34   next [TS]

01:02:35   yeah yeah I don't know I don't know how else to play it though you know and it [TS]

01:02:39   is true and you know I'm so glad that I what I write about on a regular basis [TS]

01:02:47   has nothing to do it doesn't have to be anything to do with speculation about [TS]

01:02:51   what they're going to do as as we spend 30 minutes on the show speculating but [TS]

01:02:57   that I don't need to you know I don't know I just feel like the rumor sites [TS]

01:03:00   just feel like that such a desperate 30 job large or larger iPad large [TS]

01:03:07   in some sense though I also feel like it and I know that a lot of people have [TS]

01:03:17   think it's sort of a joke his number two years ago I think Tim Cook said they [TS]

01:03:21   were going to double down on secrecy and he seemed very sincere about any number [TS]

01:03:26   one always seemed sincere he doesn't really seem like you like I said that [TS]

01:03:32   seems like everything he says in public is very well considered and that the [TS]

01:03:34   fact that he said that did not seem to me to be off the cuff you meant it and [TS]

01:03:39   then things happen like you know the old iPhone case leaked in you know the [TS]

01:03:44   designs of the iPad Mini and the new iPad air leaked and everybody says so [TS]

01:03:53   much for doubling down on secrecy but I think that that's really all about the [TS]

01:04:00   large-scale ramp-up of hardware production in Asia [TS]

01:04:07   noting that all those leads seem to come from and the stuff that they could keep [TS]

01:04:14   secret like the design of Iowa 7 they really more or less I mean there were [TS]

01:04:18   rumors that it was going quote unquote flat and mark fuhrman at 9 to 5 Mac had [TS]

01:04:23   some like really blurry screen shots like two days before it was announced [TS]

01:04:28   but for the most part when they unveiled that video at WWDC in June that was a [TS]

01:04:33   surprise I mean it was a really serious surprise as what exactly look like and [TS]

01:04:38   how radical [TS]

01:04:39   the visual overhaul was and I think let's face it is there anybody who [TS]

01:04:47   believes Apple isn't working on at least a few major new initiatives well nobody [TS]

01:04:52   knows where they are had been seems to me like the doubling down on secrecy [TS]

01:04:55   worked that it's true he thinks maybe they're ok I guess so [TS]

01:05:04   one thing about this whole thing is that I think it's paired us from a week of [TS]

01:05:09   overwrought analysis on that new Apple and the universe [TS]

01:05:18   yeah what do you think that someone as I liked it a lot as the ad with a show [TS]

01:05:23   footage of real real iPad users from around the world [TS]

01:05:27   other other than the fact that it that it promotes taking photos with your with [TS]

01:05:31   your iPad I think that I'm telling you I think that ship has sailed I think we've [TS]

01:05:37   all got to get on board and iPad camera people love using it as a camera I think [TS]

01:05:45   I believe gotta get which is funny it's one of those things where people don't [TS]

01:05:52   you know we don't wanna see that it's like it's like seeing the refrigerator [TS]

01:06:00   repairman is but crack does it bother you last when people are using the iPad [TS]

01:06:04   Mini has a camera church it does I think the iPad Mini I do it's all about size I [TS]

01:06:11   think that in terms of software clearly the iPad Mini deserves and should run a [TS]

01:06:20   slightly shrunk version of the iPad's offer it should not be at this site [TS]

01:06:25   should not be running below my iPhone but when you holding it in front of your [TS]

01:06:30   face to take a picture to me and maybe I'm just getting more when I see people [TS]

01:06:34   using an iPad Mini has a camera to me it looks more like they're holding a big [TS]

01:06:39   ass phone in front of their face it it looks a little weird but it doesn't look [TS]

01:06:43   goofy when you're holding the full-sized tablet to me look goofy and for some [TS]

01:06:49   reason to and I don't know why this is with the full-sized tablet I see way [TS]

01:06:53   more people who have the cover or the case [TS]

01:06:57   slapped down which effectively doubles the size of the rectangle with which [TS]

01:07:03   they're blocking their actual view of everything and I don't see that as much [TS]

01:07:08   with the mini I don't know why that is [TS]

01:07:10   I don't know when you can see him into you know you can see more of what you're [TS]

01:07:14   taking a picture on the screen I better I see so many people taking pictures [TS]

01:07:21   with iPads that I really think that Apple should if they can and I think [TS]

01:07:27   it's a cost thing not an engineering thing but they should get the iPad [TS]

01:07:33   hardware onto the same camera trained as the iPhone 5s in other words instead of [TS]

01:07:41   using last year's iPhone camera camera these years I they should get the iPads [TS]

01:07:47   on the top of the line camera and I suspect the reason is cost because [TS]

01:07:51   iPhones have a higher profit margin because of the way that they're sold [TS]

01:07:55   with these subsidies overwhelming majority of them are sold through phone [TS]

01:07:59   subsidies and therefore Apple can put higher you know that's why the iPhone [TS]

01:08:04   has the touch sensor and don't they can they can put more expensive stuff in it [TS]

01:08:09   but I think so many people use it as a camera that it's it's almost like Apple [TS]

01:08:14   should feel obligated to do it helped them take better photos because they're [TS]

01:08:18   gonna do it anyway and I've also heard from a lot of people whenever I bring [TS]

01:08:22   this up a lot of people have told me that their family members in terms of [TS]

01:08:27   why why would you do this especially like people who have a phone and then if [TS]

01:08:31   you have an iPhone and an iPad you're taking worse photos if you use your iPad [TS]

01:08:35   but I've had a lot of listeners of the show and readers of the site who said [TS]

01:08:39   that they do no family members they brought this up to [TS]

01:08:42   and the reason is that because the screen is bigger [TS]

01:08:45   the preview looks better because it bigger and so they think they're taking [TS]

01:08:50   better photos picture because it looks better to them as their framing and so [TS]

01:08:54   that's why when they go to the seashore in there you know taking pictures of the [TS]

01:08:59   beach they use the iPad because they think they're getting better pictures [TS]

01:09:01   because they see it bigger [TS]

01:09:05   you know and so if [TS]

01:09:06   bTW if people think of somebody who owns an iPhone 5s and iPad air thinks their [TS]

01:09:11   iPad has a better camera in theory if they can make it work cost wise I really [TS]

01:09:16   think that Apple would do well to put the leading camera tech into the iPad 28 [TS]

01:09:28   inch iPad pro do you think there's a bigger I've had that's a good question [TS]

01:09:35   somebody like two weeks ago and I MacRumors picked it up into a coded and [TS]

01:09:44   the answer was an analyst said you know they're working on the 12 inch 11 or 12 [TS]

01:09:48   inch iPad pro aimed at the enterprise and that matters to me is crazy because [TS]

01:09:57   what I can see how they ever come out with a product aimed at the average rate [TS]

01:10:02   what sent how would they even do it that would be like and it doesn't seem like [TS]

01:10:07   that's what I don't understand why enterprise users will be crying out for [TS]

01:10:11   a larger iPad anyway no I don't understand I don't understand what what [TS]

01:10:17   they would think that why a bigger I've to me if there's a one market you might [TS]

01:10:22   want to target it would be like the sort of creative industry which is more [TS]

01:10:26   natural for Apple you know that people who are using it you know to edit video [TS]

01:10:32   in the field or to draw or something like that you know all the people using [TS]

01:10:37   it is illustration you know I could see that as a pro market but I don't see it [TS]

01:10:43   I don't know I think even the name I Pad Pro is a non-starter yeah the only thing [TS]

01:10:51   I can think of the last time I came up and asked me this after something about [TS]

01:11:00   just for entertainment purposes on the couch watching a movie and [TS]

01:11:06   we've had we used to have her basement was finished and that's where we have [TS]

01:11:11   our big TV and we have water leakage so the whole thing's been ripped up for a [TS]

01:11:15   long time now and so we've been relying on the TV that's in her living room [TS]

01:11:21   which is smaller and so actually when I sit on the couch because it's so far [TS]

01:11:27   away and its smaller my iPad my hair on my lap is bigger field of view than the [TS]

01:11:34   TV so I actually have resorted to watching stuff on the iPad instead of on [TS]

01:11:41   the television and less and less you know it's me and the boy will sit next [TS]

01:11:47   to me often will do something on the iPad I'm not always do you usually watch [TS]

01:11:52   on TV front but but I've found that a nice way and you know that's linked [TS]

01:12:05   that's a different way to disrupt I'm just done just saying this isn't [TS]

01:12:12   thinking it really but to disrupt the television market is to still go upscale [TS]

01:12:16   rather than start at the top and try and try and you're never going to get a lot [TS]

01:12:23   of action in that market because those things turn over so infrequently a big [TS]

01:12:30   screen TV and replacing them fast but if you have something that's on your lap [TS]

01:12:35   that you're using a watch entertainment and maybe that's fractured younger [TS]

01:12:42   people question I did see one of the most interesting things I saw in the CES [TS]

01:12:51   coverage I saw was somebody linked to some off brand new number you've heard [TS]

01:12:57   of some Asian company with kiosk on the floor at CES [TS]

01:13:02   where they the sign and said TVs but Android tablets like Android tablets and [TS]

01:13:10   I know Benedict Evans in the last few years [TS]

01:13:16   analysis of this whole that all part of the industry has pointed out that a lot [TS]

01:13:21   of the hundred $150 tablets that are sold [TS]

01:13:28   you know it's a little often sold in Asia to it you know people in Asia not [TS]

01:13:32   not not a big thing in the USA yet but even when it is it's it's really just [TS]

01:13:37   being used as a sort of touch screen TV to watch YouTube and other video that [TS]

01:13:43   you get on there and that isn't totally in in a in therefore not that you can't [TS]

01:13:51   compare it to iPads but that it's a very different you're selling the whole thing [TS]

01:13:58   short if you just call them all tablets and drop percentage and talk about [TS]

01:14:02   market share because it's such different use cases even know maybe when they're [TS]

01:14:07   turned off they kinda look like similar devices maybe think about it I remember [TS]

01:14:13   it was you know growing up you know when we were kids portable TVs were always [TS]

01:14:17   like I wanted it [TS]

01:14:20   oh yeah I had a friend who had like a little three inch diagonal TV in their [TS]

01:14:27   kitchen black and white and you know it you know and this really dates as I mean [TS]

01:14:32   I know that you know younger listeners at the show really going to wonder just [TS]

01:14:35   how old you are but I mean it was the TV signal with the antenna hooked up to [TS]

01:14:41   cable [TS]

01:14:42   you know but then they can watch you know like the local news and stuff in [TS]

01:14:47   the kitchen or in Sooni Sooni eventually I think so yeah but it was like I handle [TS]

01:14:55   handheld television I think that probably you know the shape of a big [TS]

01:15:03   iPod with gold just drive iPod but we do know that we're talking you know this is [TS]

01:15:08   the eighties we're talking about like and not the wrist watch them but like [TS]

01:15:11   that one my friend had an occasion was a class picture to me it was a big device [TS]

01:15:16   you had to put it on the counter you know you couldn't put it up and it is [TS]

01:15:21   you know like you said for in terms of field of view and iPad on your lap is [TS]

01:15:25   not not to smaller screen [TS]

01:15:28   know it's bigger in when you're on an airplane its bigger field of view it's a [TS]

01:15:34   bigger screen than any back of the seat screener have ever seen easily iPad [TS]

01:15:40   screens way bigger than the TV screens I've seen almost airplanes I think the [TS]

01:15:45   many yeah the many as it may be roughly the same but possibly bigger I think [TS]

01:15:50   they're usually like six seven inches and always so damn screen has a really [TS]

01:15:57   lousy screens that the colors are terrible everything's all washed out way [TS]

01:16:01   better to know and when you're you know you're there is a perfect example where [TS]

01:16:05   your cramped and you know it's good that the iPad is going to be close to your [TS]

01:16:10   face you're gonna get it pretty decent field of view not bad I usually don't [TS]

01:16:14   like watching movies and playing but I love watching TV shows movies usually [TS]

01:16:19   you know deserves to be on a bigger a real bigger screen that TV shows it's [TS]

01:16:24   great yeah so anyway the Apple TV I don't know could be [TS]

01:16:34   I don't know what else they would do with any rumor of future sized iOS [TS]

01:16:39   devices that I every time I read a report about it I want to hear the [TS]

01:16:44   explanation for his what is the pixel resolution to make it possible if you're [TS]

01:16:51   really know what you're talking about if your source for this story knows what [TS]

01:16:54   they're talking about they should be able to answer the question of what is [TS]

01:16:58   the pixel resolution going to be because Apple to date with every single device [TS]

01:17:03   has stuck to to effective screen sizes day while they drew the iPhone a little [TS]

01:17:15   bit in one direction by changing the aspect ratio though it still effectively [TS]

01:17:21   the same pixel size the virtual pixels not the actual pictures when they went [TS]

01:17:25   retina they decide every virtual pixel is now four pixels and pat is the same [TS]

01:17:32   so to me if they make a bigger iPhone for example and I think Marco is perfect [TS]

01:17:37   explanation of this other people have that they would just do the same thing [TS]

01:17:40   they did with the iPad except instead of shrinking it they would grow it and they [TS]

01:17:44   would make an iPhone with the same number of pixels as the iPhone 5s and [TS]

01:17:50   iPhone 5 but that they would just be 264 pixels per inch instead of three hundred [TS]

01:17:56   and twenty-three so effectively would be the same pixel resolution as the iPad [TS]

01:18:02   air and they would just cut as you know I got four point six inch screen out of [TS]

01:18:07   it and then grabs would all just work and developers would have to change [TS]

01:18:10   anything that everything would just be a little bit bigger [TS]

01:18:13   and that makes total sense and it would also cause a connection with all of the [TS]

01:18:18   people who read gadget and gizmo in the varied because it wouldn't be you know a [TS]

01:18:25   1080p 1986 they be like this Android phone is more pixels but trust me if the [TS]

01:18:35   screen is gonna fly poder it's good enough for an iPhone here but I don't [TS]

01:18:40   want people say when people say that they're going to make a six-inch iPhone [TS]

01:18:45   well then I don't understand because then it doesn't work then it doesn't [TS]

01:18:48   work out they'd have to come up and in theory you know of course it could be [TS]

01:18:52   that they'll say to developers hey now you have a new got another one avenue [TS]

01:18:55   size to support you have to you know do you want your apt to look right on this [TS]

01:19:00   you've got to code and design for a new size with a bigger iPad I don't know how [TS]

01:19:09   they would do that because they've already I think the iPad error is [TS]

01:19:13   already running at the minimum number of pixels prints that they could use to [TS]

01:19:18   call it that if they just just blew it up by another two or three inches [TS]

01:19:23   diagonally it wouldn't really it would start to look a little bit on rent or [TS]

01:19:28   they could make it bigger but then say the developers now you have a new size [TS]

01:19:31   to support but they haven't done that to date you know when they went retina they [TS]

01:19:36   didn't see you in New size does support they said you designing for the same [TS]

01:19:40   size but now everything should be you know twice the resolution so I just [TS]

01:19:45   don't understand what they would do for a bigger I've had like that [TS]

01:19:49   yeah I think it also fits into the pipe dream cuz I could see that he would do [TS]

01:19:59   it someday but there's a contingent of people who desperately want Apple to [TS]

01:20:04   complicate the iOS UI by allowing you to say run to AB side-by-side and I i mean [TS]

01:20:13   by that I'm hesitant to call it a pipe dream because as the future goes on [TS]

01:20:19   maybe that's inevitable you know as iOS grows and needs and I certainly don't [TS]

01:20:24   deny that at times it would be useful and if the device actually had a bigger [TS]

01:20:27   screen might make sense but I'm just saying don't hold your breath because [TS]

01:20:32   that would make it more complicated there's no meu I don't see that I don't [TS]

01:20:37   see that as a priority right doesn't seem like thats it certainly hasn't [TS]

01:20:42   helped the surface that much right and don't get confused starting to think [TS]

01:20:46   about like what people like us who have loved and and derived using Macs and [TS]

01:20:55   Windows and other you know dozens of Windows overlapping and apps running at [TS]

01:21:00   the same time in command tab switching that that we don't have any problems [TS]

01:21:04   with that level of complexity don't underestimate just how many people have [TS]

01:21:07   felt lost four decades using you know Windows and Mac computers and the whole [TS]

01:21:13   reason they love their iPads is that tap a nap there it is full screen tap the [TS]

01:21:19   home button go back now it's close and that's it and [TS]

01:21:25   just a certain Jason still read up about how he likes writing on his iPad because [TS]

01:21:33   it allows them to focus so there's also so just like an inability to really be [TS]

01:21:39   in one app at a time and actually focus on that out and I think it's a lot more [TS]

01:21:47   natural I think you know because it's what it was designed for I think this [TS]

01:21:50   single app do whatever you call it for window view full screen view and Mac is [TS]

01:21:56   weird it's always weird every almost every at the only app so I thought I I [TS]

01:22:01   thought I was going to use it a lot and i dont i dont use the only apps where it [TS]

01:22:05   really works for me [TS]

01:22:07   our apps like iPhoto or Lightroom or a movie or something like that where you [TS]

01:22:15   are doing something where you would have been using a window that was truly [TS]

01:22:19   maximize like in the windows sense where it's you know you know taking up as much [TS]

01:22:24   as green as possible anyway but like for writing for web browsing or something [TS]

01:22:29   like that in there were doing or watching a video obviously but why do [TS]

01:22:34   you know used to be screened before there was an official full screen right [TS]

01:22:39   method my parents put their iMac into full screen mode couple weeks ago and it [TS]

01:22:46   was the most confusing from her really well in the annals of John Gruber [TS]

01:22:56   helping out his parents with their Mac over the phone it was really really [TS]

01:23:00   baffling and I do I love my mom and dad dearly but it really got to the point [TS]

01:23:05   where has started get angry long story short is that they had been running an [TS]

01:23:11   older iMac and I think content 58 or something like that [TS]

01:23:16   so it didn't have the App Store because it denied the App Store there was no [TS]

01:23:19   real easy way to get on the may be there on 10 60 on the last verse in the App [TS]

01:23:25   Store and then the new versions of Mac OS 10 only came out on the App Store and [TS]

01:23:30   I you know I know you drivin do that but it just never heard they were happy they [TS]

01:23:35   were satisfied there sure was working fine and then the hard drive died they [TS]

01:23:39   needed to get a new Mac and so help them set up a new iMac and now they're [TS]

01:23:44   running Mavericks didn't have full screen mode before I guess they click [TS]

01:23:50   click it by accident but they didn't know they had clicked and all they [TS]

01:23:54   wanted to know was how to how to how to close a male just click click click the [TS]

01:24:04   red button there is no longer read what is above thing what does it say that I [TS]

01:24:14   was like well what's above what's below that Apple menia there is no app and I [TS]

01:24:22   really didn't occur to me that they would accidentally go into full screen [TS]

01:24:26   mode I don't know why you know but somehow like the fact that they were [TS]

01:24:31   telling me that they didn't have an apple and then like [TS]

01:24:36   eventually figured out I gave you move your mouse all the way to the top right [TS]

01:24:40   is there like blue set of 2 hours that thank you thank you john now is the best [TS]

01:24:50   the best part is they never never grew irritated with my inability to help them [TS]

01:24:55   their frustration but it just to me was an interesting thing because they also [TS]

01:25:01   both have iPads now and they love them and never ever call me with any [TS]

01:25:05   questions about their I pets right and their iPad apps are always running in [TS]

01:25:10   full screen mode but that you know the way you get in and out there with that [TS]

01:25:14   simple hardware home [TS]

01:25:16   they don't even think about it whereas you know I think that this I think it [TS]

01:25:20   was even called it was part of the quote-unquote back to the Mac you know [TS]

01:25:24   in this area is now we have iPad iOS style full screen mode confuse the hell [TS]

01:25:29   out of just didn't fit to start trying it right now just love this one because [TS]

01:25:45   it doesn't stop promise it doesn't stick so like if you switch to one that's not [TS]

01:25:50   in full screen like wheat wheat but I don't think has no I switched over to [TS]

01:25:59   tweet by then it goes then everything goes back to work [TS]

01:26:06   know it's a long story short it really really hard to add something after the [TS]

01:26:11   fact when you've started to accept looked like it didnt work in Safari but [TS]

01:26:17   it did work email started with the system design that the basic system [TS]

01:26:24   design is open windows and windows are these draggable stackable rectangles and [TS]

01:26:31   you know which as you know metaphor that has been useful for us for 25 years in [TS]

01:26:41   30 years growing right now the Mac is thirty 30 years old [TS]

01:26:46   but it's complicated but then once that's your basic model having it you [TS]

01:26:51   know just full screen mode just doesn't work [TS]

01:26:55   yeah there's just there's too many apps that don't do it in the same way I don't [TS]

01:26:59   think iOS could support running some apps in little windows that stay around [TS]

01:27:05   on screen all the time I really don't think you can't add windows to a [TS]

01:27:09   full-screen OS and I think the full screen mode of action can really add it [TS]

01:27:13   to a window unless I think the only people who use it are people who are [TS]

01:27:19   able to deal with complaints somehow it adds to the complexity rather than [TS]

01:27:23   reduce [TS]

01:27:25   you say they have no windows for some reason it worked there have been in [TS]

01:27:31   there for forever really I think I think it had been there since 330 anyway and [TS]

01:27:38   that made sense even though sometimes windows were but they still showed the [TS]

01:27:42   windows right they just assumed the window to take up the full screen and [TS]

01:27:47   the same window you still got the menu bar and everything yeah the same buttons [TS]

01:27:52   for closing the window or whatever out there are there they just threw it to [TS]

01:27:58   fill everything on the screen [TS]

01:27:59   you know it was only a full screen mode it was a button you can click to say [TS]

01:28:04   make this is Windows soon from every corner to corner of the display yeah and [TS]

01:28:11   won some sense of people who like that I know like back when a lot of people were [TS]

01:28:15   switching to the Mac it was a 2004 567 even it was a frequent complain that [TS]

01:28:24   when you hit the Zoom button right where they wanted to resume the window to take [TS]

01:28:30   up the full screen couples for him [TS]

01:28:33   and it already Sun screen but it doesn't you're still edges often do very [TS]

01:28:42   questionable what sometimes yes sometimes sometimes it tries to some [TS]

01:28:47   apps make like a best guess as to what's the biggest size you would want this to [TS]

01:28:51   be and it anyway before we go you got you got a new show you a new podcast and [TS]

01:29:01   do you and John Armstrong of bloom at him and Lex Friedman of Lex Friedman [TS]

01:29:08   fame what's the name of the show is called turning this car around and it is [TS]

01:29:16   about anyone about its about fatherhood we sit around and share its more of its [TS]

01:29:25   not really any of us would portray it as offering our advice as fathers is more [TS]

01:29:31   like a commiseration support group tells him fatherhood warnings yes cautious [TS]

01:29:43   words of kids does everybody have no you you got hank we got the one is how old [TS]

01:29:53   now he's just turned 10 like just like you're just like your son is a crisis [TS]

01:29:57   like a few days like two weeks over [TS]

01:29:57   like a few days like two weeks over [TS]

01:30:00   right so he's a little bit older than my Jonas and I know johns leader is almost [TS]

01:30:06   the exact same age too because I remember back when she was born a [TS]

01:30:10   documented on dusan and Barnum at almost exactly the same age I didn't actually [TS]

01:30:18   no I didn't know exactly how old you don't pay attention to but i just i [TS]

01:30:22   stalking and then I and Lex has three kids when john has marlowe to get two [TS]

01:30:34   girls that would be great though so I would imagine I mean I get the feeling [TS]

01:30:46   over the time feeling to be a lot of good stories I get the family thanked [TS]

01:30:49   not exactly the easy but he's just one I imagine that you're gonna have a lot of [TS]

01:30:55   fun over the course of the show with all the problems in hassles of yes yeah yeah [TS]

01:31:02   we haven't just once enough for us but sometimes he likes has to go through his [TS]

01:31:12   kids I i had a sister growing up and it was 21 22 kids to parents but I remember [TS]

01:31:18   we plotted against them [TS]

01:31:21   sure i mean that's it i think it's just comes naturally the kids yeah and then [TS]

01:31:25   once you get the three now you've got a majority you know you can ya at the same [TS]

01:31:32   time they also entertained themselves like we've got some friends live at the [TS]

01:31:36   alley from us and there's three of them kids and family and just let him play [TS]

01:31:43   and when he is like a kid over to play often it's just as easy as the two of [TS]

01:31:47   them will just be entertaining each other's run around and get time it's a [TS]

01:31:50   crapshoot my experience if they can't get any good in a good [TS]

01:31:55   zone yeah and if they don't know what often happens to kids get together as [TS]

01:32:01   they can agree on what to play they're all set [TS]

01:32:04   yes yes that's right but if that's true if they can't yeah it was the name of [TS]

01:32:10   the show [TS]

01:32:11   turning this car around its on iTunes course but it's also at GTE dashed see [TS]

01:32:18   a.net and so does all the good girls were taken and it is not like some kind [TS]

01:32:25   of i mean is what you'd expect with a bunch of knuckleheads talking about the [TS]

01:32:32   setup like serious it's fun [TS]

01:32:36   doctor joyce brothers ickes serious serious advice on how to use you [TS]

01:32:40   probably I'm guessing alternate title for the show is this is right that it [TS]

01:32:46   rings that was one of the considered titles I believe we have a lot of a lot [TS]

01:32:51   of the car and it's good that I trust the rest of the top I like you know what [TS]

01:32:58   I like it because here's why I like the title better than this is why daddy [TS]

01:33:03   dreams is that most of the reasons why daddy drinks are also the reason why [TS]

01:33:09   mommy drinks whereas turn this car around that's not a mom thing that's a [TS]

01:33:15   dad my mom never threatened my dad and I think it is much more fun I've been [TS]

01:33:27   there I've set it alight jokingly I think it's probably even said it once or [TS]

01:33:33   twice in earnest [TS]

01:33:39   sometimes you just have to wait very I think the canonical example of that is [TS]

01:33:44   towards that traded beginning of the third act of the first vacation they [TS]

01:33:53   were going to Wally World and he goes off and has it with the family wants to [TS]

01:33:57   turn around and abandon the trip and he has a angry profanity-laced rant and the [TS]

01:34:03   sunrise from the back seat [TS]

01:34:05   touches the money shot harris's hey Dad and don't touch my dad had enough by so [TS]

01:34:21   it's titi dash see a.net [TS]

01:34:26   not bad nice your domain you can just go to iTunes though in search for turn this [TS]

01:34:32   car around and you go that's great news show a regular show this isn't like oh [TS]

01:34:36   yeah now it's not a fly-by-night here we got a bunch of them and they can already [TS]

01:34:42   there's two episodes now [TS]

01:34:44   well i am looking forward to after the first episode was very well thank you [TS]

01:34:52   where it's it's fun for us over alright well thank you john [TS]