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00:05:25 ◼ ► know teenager and then I think he was at Harvard when this stuff lying down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/325">TS</a>]
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00:07:33 ◼ ► get up every morning to your stuff you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/453">TS</a>]
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00:11:02 ◼ ► wasn't prepared for this that must mean no te I'm guessing from your perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/662">TS</a>]
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00:12:34 ◼ ► had to meet them face to face to hear the information but it was having met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/754">TS</a>]
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00:13:16 ◼ ► wrong I was saying that I'm I guess what you had not met them but you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/796">TS</a>]
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00:13:36 ◼ ► messages text to another person to really get a good idea if you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► trust them or even if they should trust you and open up to you but when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► someone in person it's like you know you you really get to know that you can bond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/824">TS</a>]
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00:13:57 ◼ ► why out San Francisco to talk to them every time there's some information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/837">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► there's other ways of communicating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► trying to remember some of the old rumor sites I forget their names I have such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► bad memory for stuff like that but in the old days like the late nineties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► in this way before your time late nineties in the early years of Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► 2001 2002 there are you know as always I mean Apple Insider was around Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/858">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► Insider is like the granddaddy I think of the the sort of focus on rumors type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/865">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► stuff but there is think secret from 98 on and I should get some of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► ones but they had such terrible track records they still do you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/876">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► spaghetti against the wall see what sticks approach and then the one strand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/884">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► of spaghetti that does stick there like CCE we got it right and I always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► this idea in the back of my head like what would it take to run an accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/896">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Apple rumors you know what why and why are they also inaccurate if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/902">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► them in the aggregate just drives me nuts to have my name on something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► was so wrong and regularly right yeah I mean inaccuracies the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/912">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► someone you know our positions will we do i mean people gonna read us if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/917">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► just you know spitting BS all day and we're gonna believe your future stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/923">TS</a>]
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00:15:54 ◼ ► think actually might have been you about like how was just spitting spit balls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/954">TS</a>]
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00:16:03 ◼ ► grouping us all together a kind of just makes all that hard work I put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► another accurate sides put in like you know come out bad but the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/967">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► that it's a little bit problem africa's name there was a guy is the unofficial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/975">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► Apple weblog site you sorta did I don't forget it was a mark fuhrman scorecard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/979">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► or 9 to 5 Mac in general scorecard right 9 to 5 Mac in general what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/984">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► there was is he basically you know noted that hey we got all these stories right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/989">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► perfect track record for 2013 and then regrouped in all of our quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/996">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► you know no danger reblogging stories from other sites into that overall track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► record which I didn't think was very fair saying that every Apple rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► website works the same way I mean you can't like if you link to someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► report something wrong and you know you linked to or whatever and then people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► say was wrong you know you're linking to some random York Times or something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1023">TS</a>]
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00:17:13 ◼ ► have to be there a little bit of respect for me I have to be a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► responsibility if I post a link to something that's going to save some and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► I like a lot of times you know let's say it's a French language Mac site na have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► pictures that purportedly come from the Asian supply chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► shows the back of this year's new iPad Mini that happened last year yes if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► linked to it I sort of feel like we're filing to something like that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► don't think the stuff like that a lot anymore but if I do I feel like I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► the hook to sort of say whether I believe it or not to I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1070">TS</a>]
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00:18:02 ◼ ► 9 to 5 Mac does is a lot of other sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► yes you know it's sort of that MacRumors dot com model of look we're gonna tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1086">TS</a>]
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00:18:16 ◼ ► know blah blah blah died Fri French language Mac site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1096">TS</a>]
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00:18:23 ◼ ► report is saying that this here's the picture is a is the back of a think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1103">TS</a>]
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00:18:44 ◼ ► reporting for 9 to 5 Mac says according to sources you know you know he was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► recent example I know had probably wasn't on the 2013 scorecard 2014 budget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1132">TS</a>]
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00:19:06 ◼ ► integration with you know who knows what kind of devices and stuff but did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► know iOS users will have this past our health book out here it is and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► you not say you know didn't come from another site that you reporting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1155">TS</a>]
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00:19:34 ◼ ► much spot on preciate it right I don't think you had any stories that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1174">TS</a>]
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00:19:43 ◼ ► writing about this stuff that's pre-release but probably needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1183">TS</a>]
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00:19:54 ◼ ► at it as a necessary evil and IMAX can exist as a site that only posts original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1194">TS</a>]
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00:20:05 ◼ ► destroy any Apple rumor website it would just be you see look at other websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1205">TS</a>]
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00:20:47 ◼ ► commonly posting sort of I think it I i got I got a kick out of it but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► the way that I broke rumors if I had something was always to be very coy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► about it and write that of saying hey I have a source who says I was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1262">TS</a>]
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00:21:42 ◼ ► sometimes the Macworld expose them to be the BBC's blur together was at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1302">TS</a>]
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00:22:02 ◼ ► from the night before because that was when they flip the switch like up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1322">TS</a>]
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00:22:12 ◼ ► probably the user agent string just said that it was on a Mac but then the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1332">TS</a>]
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00:22:47 ◼ ► you do in your early writing never to be like long-term rumor reporting like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1367">TS</a>]
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00:22:58 ◼ ► wall street journal put out some post about how they said like Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1378">TS</a>]
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00:23:19 ◼ ► cure in the past you can't just come out of the woodwork in SE such-and-such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► quietly no one's gonna know to look for that you know but the thing I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► out I really did figure out like breaking more rumors and trying to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1407">TS</a>]
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00:23:38 ◼ ► to do it if you're gonna be accurate as possible you just don't get that much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1418">TS</a>]
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00:23:45 ◼ ► there's just not enough and it's not enough stuff to publish to have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► oxygen to breathe in terms of just having readers coming every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► gotta have more stuff I mean it's the constant use to the site and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/1435">TS</a>]
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00:38:49 ◼ ► he's leaving by the end of the year would be around the developer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► conference in June and so the couple weeks to make sense but I don't just run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► after the reliable source told me I took me a few days to confirm it with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► people and i dont really read anything by single source so yeah yeah what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► heard was that and I don't think it was company-wide wasn't like you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► single Apple employee but it was at least announced entirely within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► graphic graphic design user interface design group that you know that he be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► retiring through three weeks or so at least three weeks before your report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► came out ok everybody within apple who worked under in their new knew about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► and that to me it shows just how does a ship Apple runs that it took three weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► for anybody to get the news that he that he was retiring yeah apparently it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► open news in this is what I've heard from a few friends I did not go I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► make it out to Macworld Expo this year but apparently it was sort of an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► secret there among you know people who work at Apple and people who follow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► the writer types who follow it that that he announced his retirement but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► always under the you know every discussion about it was off the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► so there wasn't there wasn't anybody knew about it and could have written it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► but nobody had it right I guess that's understandable I mean if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► told me the off the record part I mean I guess my response would be if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► writer and you heard that you should have posted it but no it wasn't yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► don't think anybody had and just sat on but I have to say the more I dug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► this I got a surprising amount of pushback from its and foreign sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► that the friction with Jony ive angle is in order to avoid them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► quote bullshit now it's not to say it again I don't want to fight with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► because I don't know I have not I've never met Greg Christie I didn't speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► to him he's not you know I don't have any first-hand information I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► don't even know what the guy looks like can't find a picture of my Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► however seen him speak at WWDC but it's very not unlike the world's worst like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2452">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► witness like he's a white guy you know someone is probably late forties yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► mean I from the Samsung true but I have to CNN and I think you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► they're they're definitely got a result and there's you know you can't pin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► but you know there after your report your report came out and and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► next day there was a report in the Wall Street Journal ok quote from Apple PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► and the quote from Apple PR did definitely downplayed or denied I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► know but but went against the grain that there was any sort of personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► personality conflict between him and Jony ive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► quote correctly something about like after twenty years great Chris the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► retiring and he worked closely with Johnny or whatever number of years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2513">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► yeah I guess I agree its border line it's not really a denial or no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► confirmation but you know Apple PR has has an agenda they're not going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► out and say that there was friction you know well but it would depend almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► certainly made no effort whatsoever to downplay the friction with Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► Forstall this is true this is true in fact I would say that the press release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► today announced twin forestall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► they called it a resignation but the you know the whole thing and the headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► about increased credit collaboration yeah you know almost it's not explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► but implicitly is saying that collaboration was you know wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► working while forestall was there so I would put a little you know but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► clearly though it's in Apple's interests to not have johnnie I've received as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► market of alien wheeler and dealer that goes against the public persona that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► has and it doesn't serve Johnny Ives interests and necessary for exact this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► is you know right now for this discussion whether it's true or not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► whatever degree it is it's not in Apple's interests to have johnnie i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► perceived that way so if it is true if he is this machiavellian character has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► that slant to it and is sort of creating a lot of friction in the user as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► takes over more authority in the user interface design and is pushing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► out and if that's a said that if it were true that he effectively pushed Christie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► out which never said right right that's true very true if you know and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► emphasize that but I think some people came away with from here report with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► that perception but if it is true it would be in Apple's interests are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► least Apple PR's interest to downplay that at least try to downplay it or get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► sure if it weren't true it would also be in their interests are so the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Apple's PR you know either way whether it's the true or not or whatever shade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► of gray it is right because the truth is almost certainly somewhere in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► but wherever it is on the shade of gray really really like great really dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► grey Apple PR would probably take the exact same response share in the quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► that they gave to the wall street journal probably would have been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► same so it is what's the word dispositive it doesn't prove anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► yeah I mean a couple points they're going back to early discussion terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► orkut say one thing and another site picks up and says I know is that I fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► Greg Christie so that's one point another point is I mean Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► two hundred billion dollars cash in the bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► company the iPad iPhone or all these products you mean you don't push out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► these devices and have a company as large as everyone holding hands and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► know the ending around in circles and then there's going to be friction to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► these products out the door and you know it's Steve Jobs even some self johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► has more authority than anyone else at Apple this is in knots and cook until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► sheler Scott Forstall back then but you know johnny is spiritual partner so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► don't think it's too much to say or assume not saying I assume anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► stop me and say industry serving as an energy water here that you know Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► if you want something that he gets in town I mean the story goes in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► the friction that as they were working on iOS 7 or when johnnie decided that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► was 7 gonna be overhauled with his design aesthetic that you know Greg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► wanting to do this with him and you know within federal is group but over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► joining really you know overstepped the bounds they're reaching into the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► interface team really circumventing christie's control and you know speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► to christie's designers and engineers and just getting things done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► Christie's approval kind of just like now stepping on his toes a bit and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► guess with 10 points 10 around the corner with this new design and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► future of iOS I guess Johnny and Christy and other executives Apple made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► decision that it was time to just move all design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► Jony ive noticed hardware not joining providing influence leadership and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► guidance the software but literally putting software under his belt as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► the way I've heard it and this is from multiple sources and I think you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► think it's that's an interesting I think you combine these two takes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► truth is probably somewhere in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► but what I've heard and all of this came to light this is not all of it but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► of it is stuff that I heard after your report and none of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► none of this is from Apple PR this is from other people actually in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► either in formerly in or somehow you know as they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► familiar with the matter but with the user interface design group which used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► to be you know for different groups I think there was the there's like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► a lot more scattered before the Johnny I was gonna take over software where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► was like the iLife user interface group quite sure if I western Pakistan were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► two different groups but the ones that were formerly more under forestall that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► like forestall wasn't really in charge of like the iLife apps like iPhoto and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► iMovie in those those are separate people familiar with those things to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► and who were definitely there's no doubt in my mind speaking not on behalf of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2872">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► prompted by PR sure in fact the opposite wherein I don't know that will be our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► would disagree with the word they said but I think you know they found out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► about it they could be in trouble and there's a certain contingent of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► out there who doesn't matter what I say that they think Apple PR is all-knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► and all-powerful and that they see these conspiracies in the matter what if if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► say it's you know ground level employees they're they're gonna say well it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► be ground level employees but somebody from Apple PR came in said here tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Gruber this that's not the case it really is not that that is not how Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► PR works about PR wants to say something they just they say they're not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► duplicitous like that but the just the Craig Christy story that I have heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► the way I've heard it is it really wasn't friction I don't think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► there's certainly a case we made that stylistically Christie may not have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► with everything related to the iOS 7 look and feel but he was not opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► it wasn't like he was pushed you know you know you know how there's like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► of people out there who really just don't like I was seven years and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► a lot of them read this and they see christy is seen at their way and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► Christie was like a seven-hitter and that is absolutely not true yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► disagree I mean the whole WWDC session talking about it so profoundly in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► such knowledge that you know you can really tell that it was you know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► a big part of it so you know that the hierarchy always went where christie's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► group was in the engineering group and in the old days they rendered bertrand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► and eventually they were effectively under foresaw that there was this there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► was there was never much of a chain of command above grade Christie's head at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► least a million in about eighteen years ago he started but in the final essay in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► the eye in the iPhone Hira you know Christie originally reported to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► forestall and forestall of course only reported to Steve Jobs and even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► steve Jobs was dead the only person really above Christie was forceful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► at least for iOS stuff and so when they announced that shake-up 14 stall was out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► and Johnny I was taking over they didn't really change the org chart and yes Greg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► Christie officially reported to and I guess he still does I'm not quite sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► when that change is gonna take but until recently reported officially to Federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► because Federici took over as head of engineering but it is never been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► case that they really reported to federal because it's really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► Federici did you know i think is very popular and he's deemed as being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► successful so far but there is this a complete separation now between design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► and engineering where Federici is not a forestall type person at all were forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► if anything was more concerned with the design and engineering even though he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► came up you know as the next probe next step program rain certainly understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► the engineering that the org chart be damned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► ever since as soon as forestall was out and they're johnnie I was named in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► charge of software Greg Christie had been reporting directly to johnnie I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► the whole time and that there was no there's really no different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► the only difference with what's been announced recently is making official on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► the internal org chart what had been the defacto flow of authority ever since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► that announcement was made and what I've heard is that again this is like 3rd him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► but I believe it I really do that that after your report and that Apple had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► go to the journal and stuff like that and and issued this thing that Christie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► was deadly slightly distressed by the whole thing as he saw it as so outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► the truth that he really really is the case and the sounds isn't quite right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► but that he's really just a guy has been there for 20 years and is tired and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► made a lot of money and just wants to take some time to enjoy it you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► a up for all the people out there who ever thought hey if I ever made like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► couple million bucks and I was you know a lot of million bucks and I was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► know I'm not gonna wait Tamil do enjoy it when I think that's more or less work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► great christy is but yet he's leaving and it seems like there's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► now in the mouth that the story is he's leaving because he disagreed with Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► yeah I mean I understand that perspective you know i i agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► i mean it's probably in the gray area there I mean I don't think I report says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► that you know I pushed out Christie I just think it just stated facts and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► people read it a certain way they read it a certain way but I don't mean to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► come off as you know Johnny pushed out Christie I mean there is unclear stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► about executive shake-ups in Apple recent years a member Bloomberg had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► headline the end of 2012 like you know any Q fires Williamson who ran maps I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► mean I don't come out there and I fire is Christy over his eye differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► right now it is you know but it's the way that people like you said like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► what would you say if it's broken telephone yeah the book until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► telephone game where you know by the second or third telling it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► story of conflict and it's really not the case at all any examples I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► cited too in terms of like that that there's almost proof that Christie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► going out on his own terms and on very good terms is that it was just a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► weeks ago where Apple did something very very unusual which was it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► like the PR run-up to the Samsung Apple trial retrial where they gave NPR and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► think the wall street journal access to Christie and talk and let him talk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► show the little lab where where they'd end up the first version of the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► interface shows like how they use I thought was pretty cool the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► they used like so this was a 2006 while they were working on this the used like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► a three or four or five-year-old G-three powerbook to power it so that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► have a device you know that that they couldn't she have a CPU that was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► to be a lot faster than what the iPhone would actually be able to have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► really fascinating stuff it's always interesting in retrospect to see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► know looking back about how certain things came to be but that was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► after like so when Apple you know clearly let Greg Christie and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► how crazy some people are is that I had a couple people write to me at during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► fire bombs hit you think that maybe they pushed Christie out because he talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► the wall street journal about the thing that you know that he broke the secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► code of how they made the iPhone has like no no no you know that's that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► total you know that's a that's an exclusive that was authorized by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► something that great Christie went nuts on his right hand note your point about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► that this Wall Street Journal interview in the simpson trial stuff this was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► you don't find it interesting that there was no identification by Christy at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► trial or any of those stories that you know he's not in charge anymore I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► look back at the wall street journal story clearly says that Christie still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► in charge of human interface design Apple after you know we're going there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► for a number of years so you think they would have identified that baby and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► not quite sure I don't think I followed what are you saying so you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► followed like you know Greg Christie identified himself as you know had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► human interface design just a couple weeks ago wall street journal and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► just got an interesting that you never noted that he's leaving no but he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► but everybody at Apple already knew that he was the interview i mean obviously it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► was you know as the company that the company's interest in those stories was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► disorder emphasize look at the amazing work we have to do to create we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► do to create the original iPhone and it's all in the context of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► getting the company's side of this fight and Samsung out in the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► but a corollary to that like a secondary thing was that great christy is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► here's the thing is he's a very popular guy pushes a really really well-liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► person within Apple really seems like the type of person gets along with a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► of people is has had a very like you said you can't find pictures you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► to find photos of them it's very hard to find photos I'm you had a very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► profile but he's been hugely influential you know spent a lot of time working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► directly with Steve Jobs on whatever you know pet projects of you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► jobs you know his pants on fire for you know interface was in a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► within apple who saw min knew that you know it's not that well known that is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► his work is far you know outweighs his renowned were really happy to set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► up forum and have this thing where he got a lot more public credit than he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► ever gotten before but and but now they're all a little lake they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► that you know now the follow-up that it that being played as conflict with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Johnny I and again like you said you didn't use the word conflict but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► clearly though there's a perception out there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► sure in some of the second and third and reporting that that stinks and now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► upset about i mean even Wall Street Journal heard from Aaron sources about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► how there was disagreement and design direction between Christie and I so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► not like I'm the only person saying that hey there yeah yeah you know I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► this I got a loose microphone USB cord on my microphone and it just pulled out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► what it what you saying that the wall street journal had something about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► conflict over design yeah there was a line am a story that you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► seeing that going to you know a person familiar with the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► great Chris team joining I dunno we see eye to eye or they had disagreements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► over right direction so yeah and I think that that's really pretty much how all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► do you think they say here's a guy who spent most of his 18 years effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► reporting to Steve Jobs charade because Christie worked on the highest profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► design stuff because the top of the heap and you know it's not like every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► pixel of every thing goes to enter Steve Jobs but it was what we know what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► Steve care about now and you know bad word you know better call Christine do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► you really think you know does anybody think that there weren't disagree Vince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► colors are font sizes are any detail working with Steve you know that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► the way it is I mean Apple a lot of people who are really just in love with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► the company they seemed to ignore just completely disregard the fact that needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► to happen there needs to be done for these products to be released I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► classic story steve Jobs pinning forestall against Tony Fadell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► each other who can make the better so that she gets that I mean you think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► stalls whatever come up with something said so innovative that literally change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► the entire technology world and so many other industries if they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► competing against something I mean if you don't have your head against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► you're not going to get much done yeah I totally agree with that and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► you know I saw in light of all this stuff we get a lot of croats you broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► that Christie's leaving but they got a lot of Solace tough on Twitter from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► readers who are saying that they're worried about the whole direction of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► Apple software under johnnie I have you know this doesn't sound good I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► that what you would worry me as if I heard stories that there were no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► arguments about that stuff because if if nobody's arguing then nobody's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► trying to push it forward that's fair right I mean I don't think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► comments make much that in mind the Christmas story I mean if people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► like having designed other concern about this content should have came ten nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► months ago already and I am sure there there were lots of comments and abroad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► so I mean this is what johnnie live once the the softer look like so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► nothing in particular I mean maybe people are you are thinking five ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► years down the road but you know right now ten-point ends in 0 click I was 17 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► would say I was not look like I was so thinking anything in the day and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► it's joining I've had even bigger ideas are one of the South look completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► different way that I was seven books that's when I was seven you know only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► get one shot to revamp the whole look and in terms of Christy going out as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► what I've heard is you know there's no date set but I've heard that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► probably going to stay I'm not not just their WBC but probably more towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► like the actual calendar year it's very possible I mean I heard specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► around a BWC but I could be wrong about that well we'll see I get why so who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► knows cuz you know Apple so god damn secret of them in the guy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► little birdie will tell you right now we have we'll see I just too though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► this is another one of those cases were Apple being so secretive I feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► can't be any other way because either your secretive company or not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► secretive company you can't be it's like being pregnant you can't be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► kind of pregnant right but it hurts them I think in terms of the way that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► would most companies when somebody of great christie's internal stature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► announces his retirement not today would make a big big press release out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► and expect national news but they would have announced it somehow you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► it's it's unusual for someone is influential vice president level 22 be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► leaving on his own terms with no internal real unpleasantness as the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► had a great career done great things in his announcing it and you know nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► inside the company says anything to anybody outside the company right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► then they lose the ability to control the narrative on that shirt into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► I'd say that they had a absolutely massive opportunity to get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► information out there in the wall street journal in the simpson trial with a NPR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► 22 yeah they could have gotten that information out there if they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► they could have made it a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► I want to wonder why they didn't why they didn't say that I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► there's something you know that they thought maybe it would lessen the weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► of his testimony if it seemed as though he had one foot out the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► you know one foot on his upcoming Yahoo arteries gonna do right now I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► not sure if that was part of it or not and you know who knows it could be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► of those things where maybe they were like 51% one-way 49% the other leg kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► had it written two ways and then at the last minute that's just not saying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► it and then as soon as you know it the news broke that he was leaving and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► didn't play the way they thought it should have played like god damn it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► should have you know we should yeah I mean I wonder if christy is who you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/3834">TS</a>]
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01:08:02 ◼ ► there's no reason for that sort of thing to go outside of very very tight circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4082">TS</a>]
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01:16:49 ◼ ► correct me if I'm wrong but when you when you wrote about Mac OS 10.2 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► having this iowa 7 look and feel you included with the story a mock up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4613">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► not one that you commission but like here's here's some guy in the internets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► idea of what an Iowa 7 version of Mac OS 10 would look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► sure and another example is a new but these other sites to ours does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► everybody does it was somebody says rumor comes out that the new iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► going to have added edge glass no bezel on the side and then there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► picture of a mock-up of an iPhone with edge-to-edge glass but it's not a mock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► ups from the source it's just we went out we had to have we had to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► illustration for this story so we went out and found one that sort of fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4658">TS</a>]
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01:17:45 ◼ ► and my guess is sort of armchair and journalism critic because to me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► like you have a good story and it's an interesting source but then you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► illustrated it was something that's just pulled out of the air yeah I mean in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► terms of that 10.2 example if you're into that roundup I did template ISA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► WWDC that was my decision to put that up there a little early I probably could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► have done a better job saying that that was a mockup but I do think illustration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► is extremely important and also to be extremely honest if I had an exact idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► of what it would look like I would have had my own market made that would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4702">TS</a>]
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01:18:31 ◼ ► first several years when I know exactly how something's gonna look I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► take the time to get a great mark up to 10 mean I did this with Retina MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4716">TS</a>]
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01:18:46 ◼ ► some icons yes we also did that with the Iowa 7 icons last year before and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4726">TS</a>]
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01:19:06 ◼ ► Commission were good in that sense right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► with those icons that was the night before WWDC if we got those the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► of the icons couple weeks before WWDC we would have had stellar mark-ups that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► would look exactly like the icons on the home screen that's what I did to me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► it because you do that you know if you know and you can commission a mock-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► based on what you know what you've seen or what like a source's scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► then when you do this like where you'll just say well I don't have that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► here's the here's some other guys you know guess as to what it could look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4781">TS</a>]
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01:19:52 ◼ ► circles back to life what we're talking about the very beginning I read your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► stuff very very closely and I know the exact words that you use but most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► don't sure right you include that screenshot with your story in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► people are going to who see it are going to think that supposed to be what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► looks like that's a good point because that particular story was a mix of IOSH [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► stuff and some points and all the Iowa State stuff those mockups and images up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► there that's what the real thing looks like a lot of the bottom I put totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► bogus in the july-september look like there wasn't a great call my part but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► even here in my Mac OS on a Mac OS iOS I mean the big features going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► health book which is basically passbook rear health it's gonna create lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► data like blood sugar calories burned their finish statistics but for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► people it's not going to have the blood sugar is not going to have my blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► sugar because it's not gonna be able to read my book trigger the phone it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► gonna work with i mean the big question here is is it gonna work with some Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► hardware at first will it be like iTunes coming before the iPod will just work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4855">TS</a>]
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01:21:06 ◼ ► imminent future would be looking up to the brother of Health iPhone connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► accessories that Apple's hyping up for years you know like I remember when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► announced the iPhone OS three way back in 2009 they have that demo of the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► don't think it was a glucose blood sugar checker on stage and I was a huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► and now there's wifi based scales blood pressure checkers all sorts of stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► all matters that they could you know look up in a campaign in a similar place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► yeah I know I kind of see it and then again there may be a you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► wanna go on too much longer but we can talk about the the wearable rumors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► and so clearly there's an awful lot of rumors that Apple is going to come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► with some devices that are you know some sort of fitness health monitoring type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► stuff and they've made hiring they've hired people with backgrounds in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► sort of thing so it's certainly wouldn't at this point shock anybody if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► came out with a peripheral that took some of these measurements and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► know saying to buy a Bluetooth to your iPhone and iPad with health book right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► there but I think a lot of this stuff though is going to be left to third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► parties and you know you know like for example like blood sugar so if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► that's a huge deal right but they're going to leave that to medical companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► and then let you know more or less what the App Store is to axe and yet Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► does some apps and they have new apps you know and and you know obviously they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► care about things like email and the web encounter but they don't worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► having every little thing that they're happy to let thousands and thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► developers fill in all those gaps and I feel like it'll be the same way with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► medical devices software gamble gave it to every iPhone user the opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► hook up their accessories to that they'll have beautifully presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► graphs all sorts of data comparison features so I think you know Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► doesn't need to sell ivory diabetic a blood sugar monitoring device it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► than enough for Apple if it becomes well-known hey if you have diabetes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► really want to get an iPhone because I do boom boom boom this is fantastic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► even the design of the application the name health book The the icon and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► screams pass health I mean it's literally a duplicate of past but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► health healthy so they get pretty clear that it's going to be an aggregator at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► least at first you had screenshots of the actual app yes do you wonder whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5012">TS</a>]
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01:23:50 ◼ ► like passbook like you do you know more similar than I would think the two apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► had the exact opposite opinion I thought it was extremely polished compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► the other stuff regarding iOS either I see it so it seems more policy other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► parts the operating system like they've clearly been working on it for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► time of course the design can and probably will change a bit but I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► that's the design that's been used and tested highways safer for several months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5057">TS</a>]
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01:24:25 ◼ ► everything gets tripped up until the horse but but that at the time that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► had the screenshot that was what the app was intended to look like at this moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► yes it's not like hey we will end up this thing that looks like passbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► while we show it to our partners because we don't want them to see the real thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5079">TS</a>]
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01:24:50 ◼ ► anything else I am NOT her I've heard much more about the visual changes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 then I O Si O Si ya heard about the stuff besides the health book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► improve maps out polished up data that our views of like where streets are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► of course the transit mode which I have heard they're having a hard time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► terms of sorting the data they don't want a repeat of the data aggregation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► problems from iOS 6 has launched so we'll see if transit transit is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► extremely hard because it's none of it is land and it's almost like a heads off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► to Google for getting it as well as they do because none of it is regularize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► there's no standard for how a municipal transit authority should put the transit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► info on the web it's just it's almost like back to the days before RSS feeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► were people had the screen scrape HTML and parse the HTML on every site HTML is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► different so if you more or less had to like special case every single city or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► web site and the web scraping days but for transit now you pretty much have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► do each every single transit authority you pretty much have to do individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► because everybody reports the data different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► right and it's not like out what went out and just created or you know to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► the state of herself this is a direct blow but it seems on the surface to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► just similar to what they did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► acquired a budget companies and data sources and they're mixing it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► altogether and I think that at this point calling the guy gets disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► iPhone iOS 6 maps onto 2012 is the end rather pull the feature another testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► it now the long something that's not ready to go especially in the back so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► also think I think look and feel wise I think this is sort of that johnnie IV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► employees worry I think johnnie I've in all aspects sort of goes for a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► more timeless look like away from trendiness and even know it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► ridiculous because flat design became such a lofty used term in the last 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► months or so dirty right but I don't think it is I think he sees it as as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► more timeless style and maybe it went to fly so I think I think maybe the dial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► back in a little bit more texture I hope but just a little just a touch but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► haven't heard anything to point to that but i no way that like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► Porsche 911 has looked like the same car for fifty years just slowly evolved year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► over year and the way that especially starting with the the iPhone 4 that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► iPhones since have been sort of quick you know you can just telling somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► has an iPhone in her hand right point although the five see you know obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► is its own unique thing but anyways but the the ones with them you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► rectangular corners in this metal frame around the sign you know that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► that we're done with radical changes to the Iowa seven UI for years to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► for sure we'll see tweaks year over year but that this general flat look is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► the software what the iPhone 4 shape was to the hardware couldn't agree more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► mean all indications my essay is just gonna be tweaks here and there to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► user interface but nothing in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► the overall philosophy or style behind it and of course they're gonna fix up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► you know the screw ups in the voice memos app in terms of it being confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► simply notifications that are a bit but no nothing to you move away from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► aesthetic yeah they did a lot of that with Iowa 7.1 really I mean it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► one of those little things where they've got to be on the OS has to be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► same shipping schedule as the hardware and if the hardware had to have iowa 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► you know and whatever new phones and iPads have coming out this year are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► they're gonna be devices they can't boot Iowa seven that's how it is every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► so there had to be something called Iowa 7 that shipped in September because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► that's when the iPhones came out I think that I was 7.1 if iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► was just software-only and Apple didn't do their own hardware 7.1 was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► version that I think they would be shipped yeah it's not just about bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► but also that they like you said they cleared up a lot of navigational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► ambiguities for sure absolutely anything you can see how much care really went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► into the move from seven to seven point one of those I i mean forget the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► more rounded slider how are you going to the weather at I mean something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► not important as little clips to show the snow the rain clouds like the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► to come in like the week view those have been changed immensely as well so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► the small things shows the level to tell ya I'm almost surprised I think they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► to I think they felt like they had to because they know that I was seven cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► it was so much in so little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► it was so much in so little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► you know that they really needed to dig in and do a pretty significant point one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► release I think it's probably the most significant point one release in Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► history but not surprised because it took so long because it clearly was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► eating into the time where I S eight development was ramping up right now yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► why you know because they want to do these things annually they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► much time from when they ship Iowa 72 where they've really gotta have most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► their engineers working you know all week long every day on I was a right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► you can see the shift there like every year the fewer major clean up these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► dialects like there was like I was 4.3 iOS 4.3 that was three major point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► these thoughts for i dont member how far 3.0 3.3 but now I mean like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► from sent out at some point in the next big ones gonna be point out 60611 7.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► 55116 going out so they're moving quickly last but not least let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► this what he would do you have any Inklings on on Apple's calendar schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► you know accidents and I want to talk about it and I believe it was the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► quarter and a third quarter earnings call last year too upset hate 2013 we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► gonna really do everything in the fall by 2014 gonna be a big year we have big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► plans for a cross and he said the word cross 2014 and this was not only on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► call itself but in the press release to and here we are mid-april nothing or end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► of April almost and not a word not a soul and in two years ago it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► years ago they had a January event New York for e-books and education right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► was sort of a one off they've never followed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► but I kind of felt like it was hey we don't you know you know don't forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► about us while we were in a quiet period after the holidays last year they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► do anything until WWDC and they put that out there they kind of spread the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► that hey we're not gonna you know when I can remain the same told WBZ in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► year they didn't say it is just let that that late March Early February February [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► and March time frame where for a couple of years they were announcing new iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► they've just let it go without announcing anything like I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► thought months ago if they had new product categories to announce like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► the iPad was in 2010 and 2011 that that would be the time when they would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► because they moved the iPad to the fall that's when everybody expects new iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► this year again but it opens up that February March area for new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► categories and I was thinking that the I mean I know that Apple TV was planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► for introduction in the first half of 2014 it could've been pushed back could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► have been delayed for you as wide but I mean with Tim Cook saying that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► gonna be new stuff cross 2014 including a new product category at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► you know something to go wrong i mean CEO of Apple wouldn't say new products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► across 2014 and not released new products across 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► it or when I wonder I'm maybe something slipped or maybe it's you know we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► the date for WBC its first week in June right that still leaves plenty of room I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► think for a cross the year where if you know but I think it would require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► hardware announcements at WWDC not just software announcements yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► that's a given at this point I mean I don't know though given for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► announcing what kind of hardware laptops at the very least I'd say well BC I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► don't think that counts I think something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► be on laptops I think not that they have to not that they're going to but that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► sort of hit that that definition of announcing new products across the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► it has to be more than just updated MacBook Air MacBook Pros could be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► next to watch you know every now and again don't think this is true because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► the the phone stuff is so gargantuan in terms of the ramp up in in the supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► chain that they can't they just cant keep it secret weeks in advance anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► but you know I thought before in theory what if they you know announced the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► iPhone then what if the iPhone you know how like the two years ago to come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► there in the first iPads with the retina displays the iPad 3 and then six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► later they said here's iPad 4 with Retina display and you know better 886 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► processor i mean that makes sense in terms of the recent talk about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► four point seven inch model in the 5.5 maybe the four point seven VDC and later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► in the year the hope that what I don't know or maybe they just say here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► next you know his iPhone 6 and it comes out six 6 months or seven months after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► my guess would be more like eight months but there's no promise that you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► that if you bought your iPhone 5s on day one that you are going to get twelve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► months of this is the top of the line iPhone right course I mean but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► know Apple TV could be at WWDC announcement to yeah I thought the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► thing that that could be I'm not hearing anything about it and just pulling stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► out of manhattan thinking what they could announce the only thing I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► about Apple TV is I know that there are some amazing engineers working on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► TV like sure type of engineers who there's no way that they're working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► the Apple TV as we know it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► course simple little up down left right selecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► that there's some really good people on a mean whether it's something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► coming this year or later or I don't know but I mean could be minor AppleTV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► refresh perhaps at the new software SDK iOS I mean look at the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► interface is still stuck in the force all days as well so you know they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► updates on both sides of the coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► having been at Microsoft build conference two weeks ago and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► that they you know and it was so fun you know a link to a couple of pieces today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► from Brent Simmons and Justin Williams about how it was at Moscone West which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► is where it was like this bizarro world WWDC we're in so many ways it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► like to be deputy CNN so many you know when you do see oh my god that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► weird you know in this is so weird and one of them you know not really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► but one of the ways that that struck me about build was this day of this column [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► universal absurd whatever they're called him but that there's one way to write an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► app that runs on Windows PCs Windows phones tablets and Xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► obviously the interface is totally different but it's the same you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► developer tools and API's for shared stuff so the stuff that could be shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► as shared but the thing that got me was that you know they're really really you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► know right now Microsoft with the Xbox one and the current run time in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► developer tools is pushing hey you can write apps that run in people's living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► rooms on their Xbox one you know that's that's a that's a ship that's taking off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► yes for sure the living room opens up so many different opportunities perhaps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► that just makes me think you know and if they're gonna do it part of the story of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► a next generation Apple TV doesn't even matter what what the just to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► hardware is you know that if it's a hit TV with a great actual TV set with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► it's a separate boxes of plug-in doesn't matter if it has has to do with acts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► third party apps in App Store WWDC is the time to do it because you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► have to wait another year otherwise I mean that today would that they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► release it in October and just released the developer info is stuff on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► but the perfect time to do it is at WWDC keynote to flow to anything about it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► mean they're not going to just have a keynote for iOS eight which is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► big of an update and a new operating system just has a new look and no city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► saint peters out his barracks I mean there's a formula here include some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► well and the other thing too about Mac OS two min obviously Mac OS 10 is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► be huge part in the keynote just because of the new look great and have all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► of information and and you know how you're going to get your apps to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► advantage of the new look and still you know run on Mac OS 10.9 and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► stuff but the truth is the Mac and you know the max a great business and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► really do think Apple's heart is in it but it's just not big enough for a ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► tipped to be a centerpiece of the keynote anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► bis there has to be a new product right for sure he said even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► updated areas I'm back with pros WWDC and then cut it for you because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► just not big enough business really isn't not that that won't get good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► and that you know that they're not proud of it and it certainly means a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► the people who were in the room at WBC because every single all 5,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► developers are using Macs to develop their apps where they're writing Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► software iOS software absolutely but it's just not big enough will you be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► there they're going to see this year I expect to be yeah yeah I'll be there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► I mean I don't have a ticket or a press pass will be there during the week so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► yeah well then you want to get together so that's a good question was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► ask about that so you do you you've never got a press pass through the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► events I have only known get a press pass I haven't gotten a press email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► reply so yeah no relationship there with Apple at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► and you but you ask yeah yeah I asked you ask age time like everytime diabetes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► he gets announced you do you know throw it through another question to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► press pass yeah last couple years yourself haven't really gotten any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► replies for that or stories you know ask them to comment on the grocery store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► they give the comments everyone else so I don't know I you know it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► like they really interact with the Apple only websites I mean during fireball is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► fortunate that Apple rumors that you but I mean I'd be more concerned or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► yes I don't know if that's the right word cuz I probably would be upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► either way but I'd be more concerned if like MacRumors getting invited to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► events which there so I don't think so either know it's a good point and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► of it they do seem to have had a couple of years ago a sort of reflection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► inflection point where they they've really all of a sudden opened up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► publications like where previously they really only given top terror press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► access to print based journalists so and it was a lot more limited so like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► iPhone review units only went to Lake poke mossberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuydfq5w/6091">TS</a>]
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