0:00:00all kidding aside we should probably get
0:00:01all that crap where do we want to start
0:00:02that was the star
0:00:04damn it i was hoping not alright so
0:00:07let's go with oldest first let's talk
0:00:10about the laferrari John sure
0:00:13cod that's what do we think about that
0:00:17name
0:00:18it's terrible so there are we supposed
0:00:20to call it the ferrari laferrari no I
0:00:24think it's just lost ferrari now why is
0:00:28it bad why do we not like that name
0:00:30it's redundant yes it's not really
0:00:33redundant
0:00:35i mean i-i think the reason the reason I
0:00:37don't like it is because I guess we're
0:00:39kind of used two cars having either
0:00:42names like after cities in italy or at
0:00:45least Italian words to sound exotic no i
0:00:47mean like maranello or whatever
0:00:49testarossa yeah right yeah or having
0:00:53kind of a computer nerd e tekky macho
0:00:59designations like f40 you know and the
0:01:04rumor was this is going to be f70 where
0:01:07they have 15 everything was good it was
0:01:08the end zone which fine whatever you
0:01:10know that founder of the company name
0:01:12car after that's fine
0:01:14this is going to be f70 but no not the
0:01:17f70 we get lost ferrari which there's
0:01:21something about it like maybe an Italian
0:01:24that sounds so weird you're saying it's
0:01:25this is the Ferrari or whatever because
0:01:27it is the Ferrari at this point I'm
0:01:29anyway LOL eventually it won't be but uh
0:01:31I don't know I it's not like a wee level
0:01:35naming disaster but I'm
0:01:39middle-of-the-road on it I kind of see
0:01:41that having like it a name for like like
0:01:43one name like Madonna kinda it has a
0:01:45little bit as a little bit of cash eh
0:01:47alright well anyone has due to their
0:01:50other models like you have you have left
0:01:53Ferrari and you have all the other
0:01:54Ferraris yeah yeah whatever he may
0:01:57already named literary California so
0:01:59there-there gaming has been yeah yeah
0:02:02it's just it's and like I i just looked
0:02:04at a handful of news articles about to
0:02:06see and and almost all of them are
0:02:07saying the ferrari laferrari which is
0:02:11just ridiculous but that's going to
0:02:12happen all the time
0:02:13like you know you have to admit when
0:02:15you're when you're picking like a cool
0:02:16new name for something you have to
0:02:18imagine how it's going to be used and
0:02:21when you're doing something a little bit
0:02:23unconventional like calling the new
0:02:27model of ferrari laferrari you have to
0:02:30expect that a whole lot of the press and
0:02:33a whole lot of people are going to call
0:02:35it the ferrari laferrari did not not use
0:02:38it the way you probably intended the
0:02:39name to be used and just based on that
0:02:42alone I think that should probably tell
0:02:44you maybe we shouldn't use this name
0:02:46well they don't say the Ferrari let the
0:02:48first of all offer our is one word so
0:02:50that's good if it's a space / Morrison
0:02:52second like it in Ferraris own you know
0:02:54English copy it says that the laferrari
0:02:56blah blah so it's got a double on it i'm
0:02:59assuming the time they don't double it i
0:03:01don't know but the car itself is what
0:03:05everybody expected i mean it's been the
0:03:07story itself is posting youtube videos
0:03:09of like a disguised you know testing
0:03:12mule type of thing where they got the
0:03:14black paint over it and the fake body
0:03:16panels and stuff it's kind of weird to
0:03:18for the carmaker to be posting its own
0:03:21disguised car running around cuz i don't
0:03:22think that shows the car in the best
0:03:24light I mean even in their official
0:03:25website they have something showing
0:03:27listen to the engine sound and i have a
0:03:28video of the disguised car running
0:03:30around the track don't want to see this
0:03:32guy's car because it's like
0:03:33intentionally made to look ugly and has
0:03:34weird things sticking out of it and
0:03:36that's not a good idea but anyway it's
0:03:39you know mid-engine carbon fiber
0:03:42supercar thing with a hybrid powertrain
0:03:46which is the supercar fat of the this
0:03:48generation
0:03:50I don't mean a lot of people angry about
0:03:54it thinking that it was some sort of
0:03:56ploy
0:03:57I guess these are people who don't
0:03:59follow the car industry think it was
0:04:00some sort of ploy for like to get the
0:04:03ego people for like you know you want to
0:04:06think that your green and eco-friendly
0:04:07and an environmentally-friendly now
0:04:09because you put this hybrid thing you're
0:04:10super car
0:04:11I can't imagine anybody who knows
0:04:13anything about Ferrari or the supercar
0:04:16market or anything thinking that because
0:04:18since it's so clearly not the reason
0:04:20like no one is going to be fooled into
0:04:22thinking what how big is this engine
0:04:25I'm looking for the displacement
0:04:26well whatever it is it 800 horsepower
0:04:28v12 it's like all but its fuel efficient
0:04:31because it has a hot it's a hybrid gonna
0:04:34not something i've been at least one
0:04:35person will think the head it's 66 . 3
0:04:38liters
0:04:39yeah so this is the second last and all
0:04:41the engine you could fit maybe a few
0:04:43ground up my engine you could fit inside
0:04:44the displacement of the dungeon problem
0:04:46you know the reason like Porsches doing
0:04:50with their 919 spider and everything
0:04:54like everyone's anything because it
0:04:56makes the car go faster and the
0:04:59interesting thing about hypercars i
0:05:00think is a lot of people asking us to
0:05:02talk about f1 which i personally know
0:05:03nothing about but I do know that in for
0:05:07various reasons f1 has a whole bunch of
0:05:08rules and restrictions on what you can
0:05:10put in the cars there is no such
0:05:12restriction on a car that you just sell
0:05:15to billionaires so they can do things in
0:05:18their top-of-the-line supercar that they
0:05:21can't do in their f1 car because of
0:05:22various protection and vice versa
0:05:24obviously the safety things that you
0:05:25have to do for real cars that you don't
0:05:26do with f1 cars but as far as I'm aware
0:05:29i don't know i shouldn't even venture a
0:05:32guess but I would imagine that hybrid
0:05:35powertrains are not illegal in f1 anyone
0:05:38know anyone to google that and give me
0:05:40something on follow-up i actually did a
0:05:41little bit of looking around right
0:05:43before the show a lot of people like he
0:05:45said have been asking us to talk about
0:05:47f1 because on paper f1 is the perfect
0:05:50meld of engineering and cars yet i've
0:05:54tried a couple of times not very
0:05:56seriously to get into it and i could not
0:05:58grasp it at all in the sense that i
0:06:00found it willfully boring and it's
0:06:02always on if you're American in the
0:06:04middle of the night and it's just not
0:06:06approachable
0:06:07I don't like Nascar I think as far as
0:06:09ridiculous I don't follow any kind of
0:06:11motor racing and I know that probably
0:06:13disappoint anyone who wasn't born and
0:06:15bred in america that being said the
0:06:17curse system ke RS which is kinetic
0:06:20energy recovery system which is the kind
0:06:22of hybrid this is some teams in f1
0:06:25either did or do you use it as far as i
0:06:27understand and in fact i was looking
0:06:29earlier and apparently they're
0:06:31increasing the possible output of the
0:06:33current system for next season two like
0:06:35220 horsepower something that I have to
0:06:37find that again see
0:06:38are allowed to use batteries in your f1
0:06:39car well it's not batteries it's
0:06:41actually a flywheel that's the
0:06:42interesting bit but this one has
0:06:44batteries
0:06:45I think you're right yeah i'm looking at
0:06:47the page like this that you know that
0:06:48the laferrari has a battery pack not a
0:06:52big battery pack but a battery pack and
0:06:53it does use you know the kinetic energy
0:06:56recovery like when you're turning and
0:06:57stuff like that to take access to work
0:06:59for the wheels and of course
0:06:59regenerative braking the whole nine
0:07:01yards but there's also a battery pack
0:07:02right so as per wikipedia as of 2014
0:07:05power capacity of the curves units will
0:07:06increase from 60 kilowatts or 80
0:07:08horsepower 220 kilowatts does anyone
0:07:11really use kilowatts 260 horsepower
0:07:12there will be no this will be to balance
0:07:15the sports move from a two and a half
0:07:17liter v8 21 and a half liter v6 got
0:07:19that's time
0:07:20yeah well I mean those cars weigh like
0:07:22you know 20 pounds i don't know they
0:07:24have it there under 2,000 pounds right
0:07:26that I don't know but I would assume so
0:07:27yeah I mean so this district that's the
0:07:29thing about the laferrari is there their
0:07:31design Golden State design goal with a
0:07:34people talking about what they didn't
0:07:35they don't say as much but basically
0:07:37when you add you know this hybrid
0:07:40powertrain especially when you add those
0:07:41battery packs that adds weight to a car
0:07:43and you want the way to be down so their
0:07:44goal was to you know can we add these
0:07:46the these this hybrid powertrain which
0:07:48gives us you know great low end torque
0:07:50and lots of other positive
0:07:51characteristics without making the car
0:07:54porker because you know that the Tesla
0:07:56Model S is a tremendously happy car
0:07:58probably twice as much as this laferrari
0:08:00right now so you can't just stop with
0:08:02batteries will destroy performance
0:08:03they're basically trying to balance how
0:08:05big can we make the battery pack until
0:08:07the point where the extra torque we get
0:08:08from the battery extra power away from
0:08:10that battery pack is not overcome by the
0:08:13way to of the pack itself so they kept
0:08:15trying to balance it if we do you know
0:08:16if you make it too big just you're
0:08:18making your hard works if you make it
0:08:19too small you're not doing enough to
0:08:20make it better is there trying to sort
0:08:22of balance that equation there and the
0:08:25first thing I did when I pulled up this
0:08:27car on mine it was announced that the
0:08:28auto show and I went to the laferrari
0:08:30com was I went to the technical specs
0:08:33thing I wanted to see what is the weight
0:08:34how much does this car way and I don't
0:08:37think that you listed the weight at all
0:08:38i'm looking at the site now I think it's
0:08:40still not listed
0:08:42let's see tech specs I anyway I know I
0:08:48know on the very first day there was no
0:08:50wait listed for the thing and that is
0:08:53not reassuring to me they talked a lot
0:08:55about how they saved a lot of weight and
0:08:57other aspects of the carbon i'm assuming
0:08:58it's all making up for the for the
0:09:03battery pack and they didn't of course
0:09:04talk about how it lapse their test track
0:09:06five seconds faster than their previous
0:09:07car and all the other good things about
0:09:09it but wait i think still is a concern
0:09:12so this is kind of like a supercar
0:09:14transitional phase i don't know if
0:09:16they're transitioning entire to electric
0:09:18or whatever but like this this system
0:09:20where you have to power trains where
0:09:22you've got your big gigantic good
0:09:24old-fashioned engine incredibly high
0:09:25revving very powerful
0:09:27all good things right and also a little
0:09:29bit of an electric motor attached in
0:09:31there you don't want to have to
0:09:34powertrains like that the model s the
0:09:37design of big battery pack 1 engine for
0:09:41each wheel no gear is no nothing that is
0:09:45very simple and direct it's just obvious
0:09:46that that design is never gonna work for
0:09:49supercar because you're super kinds of
0:09:50being 5,000 pounds that's that's a
0:09:53non-starter unless you're the bugatti
0:09:54veyron over the hell that thing weighs
0:09:55because I knew you know I have what is
0:09:59that 16-cylinder engine in there
0:10:01yeah that's yeah that's a whole other
0:10:02issue and it's a lot turbo and it's 1100
0:10:07power I mean at some point we can
0:10:09overcome wait this is good business
0:10:10getting up to it so you've got this is
0:10:12what is it to 700 ish think 750 ish so
0:10:16963 horsepower is there they're claiming
0:10:19it was looking at torque then that's
0:10:22that that's their claim that total
0:10:24horsepower with the you know with
0:10:26everything combined and made under
0:10:27horsepower engine + 250 260 34 you know
0:10:31I in a car that presumably does not
0:10:35weigh a tremendous amount more than the
0:10:37last car and you know that the purpose
0:10:39in their numbers they say the five
0:10:41seconds faster on the track is that I
0:10:43don't know how long the track is but you
0:10:46know it it's faster as they say hundred
0:10:506263 horsepower from this hybrid for the
0:10:52hybrid system that is hi yes I'm trying
0:10:55to parallel park it with that big
0:10:56he knows what you can get it over first
0:10:59you can't get over the the you know the
0:11:01skirt things yeah so the rest of the car
0:11:03like the aerodynamic aids all the active
0:11:05aerodynamics stuff i obviously if I
0:11:08could be wrong about f1 again and say
0:11:09that I think that's another area that f1
0:11:11has more restrictions and streetcars 10
0:11:14people can write and tell me what I'm
0:11:16about that like basically an f1 the
0:11:18inheritance
0:11:19their goal is to make a competitive
0:11:21sport their goal is not to see how fast
0:11:23we can go i mean just talking about how
0:11:24the engines like v8 or v6 is I whatever
0:11:27restrictions they have on the racing
0:11:29there's two isn't trying to be in the
0:11:31name of fairness but there's no such
0:11:32thing as Paris when you're making a
0:11:34hypercar you just make it as fast as
0:11:35your hand
0:11:36I guess you have legal restrictions you
0:11:38know for various countries is going to
0:11:40be sold in but the a these active Aero
0:11:44aids basically flaps on the bottom and
0:11:46top of the car fall within the legal
0:11:49range of things that you can drive on
0:11:51the road in most civilized country so
0:11:53hey no problem so that we can get this
0:11:57one more thing that can break on your
0:11:58car
0:11:59that's what you don't care you're a
0:12:01millionaire exactly yeah that I think is
0:12:04another interesting innovation here
0:12:05whereas i don't think the Enzo had any
0:12:08sort of actor or at least not the degree
0:12:10of active aerodynamics interesting is
0:12:12active aerodynamics are not in service
0:12:13of going after the Veyrons top speed
0:12:16like no one is as want to touch that for
0:12:18so many years now it's alright well they
0:12:20made this crazy car that was ridiculous
0:12:22amount of power and its sole job is to
0:12:24be SuperDuper fast and you know it was
0:12:27faster on tracks just a tremendous
0:12:29amount of power even McLaren's not going
0:12:31after mclaren f1 was the big in a top
0:12:33speaking for a long time and their new
0:12:34p1 also has declined to participate in
0:12:37the go after the Veyron top speed
0:12:40it's probably because to beat the Veyron
0:12:42top speed you have to compromise in so
0:12:44many other areas and all these people
0:12:45would rather have a car that is more of
0:12:48an all-round supercar that it does more
0:12:50than just hit the top speed just for the
0:12:52hell of it
0:12:53so all these arrowheads and laferrari
0:12:55are apparently not to help it you know
0:12:57go 260 miles an hour top speed is all
0:12:59about producing downforce and getting
0:13:01around the track faster which i think is
0:13:02the appropriate philosophy in mindset
0:13:06and stance for ferrari to take rather
0:13:08than
0:13:08blindly chasing after the top speed
0:13:10crown which is mostly meaningless
0:13:11because that the number of roads in the
0:13:14world where you can get over 260 miles
0:13:15an hour are probably very small what
0:13:21else we got in this thing
0:13:22good got an LCD instrument cluster
0:13:24surprise great i mean there are 17
0:13:28inches
0:13:28there's no stopping and not know not
0:13:30that priming the the thing and in front
0:13:32of you know I know just hanging out with
0:13:33me if you like a long time ago John you
0:13:36went backward back in the early days of
0:13:38your hypercritical podcast which episode
0:13:41was the TV episode it was lost it was
0:13:44really early right before the very first
0:13:46episode of TV and I never visited many
0:13:47times okay well you know it at the time
0:13:51you were discussing like you know your
0:13:52process of buying a new TV and and
0:13:55trying to evaluate the different types
0:13:56of tvs that that were that had come out
0:13:58this is about what two years ago and and
0:14:01just looking at you know the plasma LCD
0:14:04and all the little tricks that they did
0:14:06with technology to try to make it better
0:14:08because we had passed the point where
0:14:11the simple thing worked for at least a
0:14:13simpler thing worked and we had reached
0:14:16the point TV technology where we are
0:14:18still today we're in order to get more
0:14:22contrast more brightness faster refresh
0:14:24whatever the case in order to improve
0:14:26the spectrum to compete the
0:14:28manufacturers had to start doing all
0:14:30these like weird little tricks and hacks
0:14:32to to pass these limits that they had
0:14:35found with the simpler options and I
0:14:37feel like when that happens to an
0:14:39industry that tends to make products
0:14:42that are better in some ways worse and
0:14:45others way more complex and often
0:14:47there's weird side effects to the
0:14:49decisions that they've made and it's
0:14:51often kind of questionable at the end
0:14:53whether overall we're better off or not
0:14:54and and I feel like that's where cars
0:14:57are especially at the very high end like
0:14:59this
0:14:59that's where cars are today where we've
0:15:02we've already exhausted the value I
0:15:08think of a naturally aspirated engine i
0:15:11think we're going to see very very few
0:15:12of those in new car models going forward
0:15:14except for the very low-end even I mean
0:15:18even like the honda accord and toyota
0:15:20camry i would bet are going to be
0:15:22turbocharged fairly soon do you think
0:15:24that's probably that's probably a safe
0:15:26assumption right for eventually I said
0:15:28that's a industry-wide trend is lowest
0:15:30placement with turbos right well but
0:15:32little I think you're right the only the
0:15:34only complaint I would lodge with with
0:15:36regard to that assertion is that if you
0:15:39are used to driving a naturally
0:15:41aspirated car and you drive nearly any
0:15:43turbocharged car no matter how good of a
0:15:46turbocharged motor it is you still feel
0:15:50that lag it's the same kind of leg that
0:15:52I would feel into naturally aspirated
0:15:54cars one of which is a stick and one is
0:15:55not where you get that kind of lag from
0:15:57the torque converter in that
0:15:58disconnection between the motor in the
0:16:02in the drivetrain and you get that as
0:16:04well and a turbocharged car and so while
0:16:06i completely agree with you guys that on
0:16:08the street in most normal applications
0:16:11that's the where everything is going to
0:16:12be a turbocharged but the having driven
0:16:15some reasonably quick naturally
0:16:17aspirated cars like my friend brian's 96
0:16:19m three the throttle response from those
0:16:22colors is just unbelievable and you'll
0:16:24never get that with the turbocharger
0:16:25even in the 335 and with the n54 than 55
0:16:28which are universally praised as having
0:16:30almost no lag it's there's still enough
0:16:32flag that way it would bother you and so
0:16:33I I don't know when specifically this
0:16:35would be used except maybe track queens
0:16:37but i just don't see turbochargers going
0:16:39I don't see natural aspiration going
0:16:41completely out the window and not to say
0:16:44that that's what I think it always ever
0:16:46go away entirely well now you know it
0:16:48would work to the point now where other
0:16:50factors that people want or that it that
0:16:53factors are better demanded by
0:16:54regulations like environmental
0:16:56regulations things that people want are
0:16:59becoming more important orders being
0:17:01more demand for them then the benefits
0:17:04of a simpler design to and people aren't
0:17:06going people aren't going low
0:17:07displacement turbo because they think
0:17:08it's better
0:17:09they're going there because they're
0:17:10forced to write because it's really
0:17:12efficient and and it's a way to get more
0:17:14power about adding more animated way to
0:17:17get to put smaller engines and smaller
0:17:19engines way less smaller engines with
0:17:20lower displacement to use use less gas
0:17:22but people still want to have adequate
0:17:24power alright so we'll give you a
0:17:25smaller engine that weighs less that has
0:17:26lower displacement but will try to
0:17:28release match the previous power with
0:17:29audiences are both right but see but now
0:17:31like it
0:17:32it's if we're going to start having all
0:17:33these asterisks on everything like you
0:17:36know that the laferrari it has these two
0:17:39different powertrains one of which
0:17:40produces the whatever 800-horsepower one
0:17:42of experience 163 horsepower but 263
0:17:46horsepower is like a maximum and I guess
0:17:49I'm sure it's possible that if you're
0:17:50driving it pretty hard that you're
0:17:52probably not gonna have full battery
0:17:55charge after a while and you know you're
0:17:57gonna like there's gonna be times where
0:17:58the battery will run out and he and then
0:18:01the performance will suffer until you
0:18:03get enough battery power back and you'll
0:18:05be down to only 800 horsepower well but
0:18:08still what the one about the total
0:18:09living along practically but still like
0:18:12there's going to be things like these
0:18:13little exceptions to feel like as cars
0:18:16move into these complicated technologies
0:18:17there's always little exception so like
0:18:18what turbos at first and until they got
0:18:21very good at least the big the big
0:18:22asterisk was lag and I think we've we've
0:18:26minimize lag so far and I'm sure there's
0:18:29still a way to go and and and you're
0:18:32right that it's not eliminated but we
0:18:34certainly gotten very good at it but
0:18:35like as things get more complicated it
0:18:39becomes harder to say oh well it's it
0:18:41has X horsepower and even like like we
0:18:44discussed dct is a while back and people
0:18:48wrote in and informed us that you know
0:18:50with the dct it pre-selects the next get
0:18:53you're likely to pick but if you pick
0:18:55the other one the other direction that
0:18:58it didn't pre-select your shift times
0:19:00take longer
0:19:01so your shift times taking take an
0:19:04unknown amount of time depending on what
0:19:05you're doing so it's inconsistent that's
0:19:08one of those things really we apply
0:19:09technology to make it better most of the
0:19:11time but then there's a little asterisk
0:19:12that oh well it's going to take longer
0:19:14if you do this one condition or you know
0:19:16like there's always that there's all
0:19:18these little exceptions as we make
0:19:20things more complex that overall we are
0:19:23getting better off but everything just
0:19:25getting more complicated and there and
0:19:28we just keep seeing like little tiny
0:19:29downsides to that and it's going that's
0:19:32going to expand as his technology mature
0:19:34now get going back a second about the
0:19:36turbo lag thing i found out now that
0:19:39I've regularly driven a turbo car and on
0:19:43turbo car i have found
0:19:45and that it's all about what you're used
0:19:48to like yes when I when I got the 1m I'd
0:19:52never had a turbo car before so i got
0:19:53the 1am and I mean talk about turbo
0:19:57boost I mean that thing is insanely over
0:19:59boosted like when when you step on it it
0:20:02just kicks you in the butt forward I
0:20:04mean it is really really strong boost so
0:20:08I had it for a few months and then I
0:20:09went to that racing day where i got to
0:20:11drive the current m3 and m5 and the m3
0:20:14is a naturally aspirated v8 as you said
0:20:16what I found with the m3 was that
0:20:20because I was accustomed to that strong
0:20:22turbo engine in the one app the m3 felt
0:20:25like it was lacking high-end perfect I
0:20:27and performance in the RPM range even
0:20:29though that's what everyone's been
0:20:31expecting out of cars forever but I
0:20:33didn't have that I had the turbo so when
0:20:34I went to that it was like you know up
0:20:36from the beginning from of the of the
0:20:38power range of the RPM range i was like
0:20:40okay this is really fast and as I got
0:20:41towards the top I was like wait where's
0:20:43my boost you know what I expect this to
0:20:45be kicking me in the butt right now it's
0:20:46not you know so I i think it's it's just
0:20:50about whatever you used to and that
0:20:51feels normal to you and then when you
0:20:53get into the other thing it feels
0:20:55underpowered either in the early part of
0:20:57the Ranger on the left and later part of
0:20:58the range finding what you're used to
0:21:00I would agree with that i think that's
0:21:01that's a very fair way of looking at it
0:21:04and i don't know i mean i don't mind
0:21:05turbocharged cars and everything you do
0:21:07you guys just said is right now that the
0:21:08subaru had a single turbo that I don't
0:21:11know a measurement on top my head but it
0:21:13did very qualitatively it felt lag year
0:21:17than 335 does I those the only
0:21:20turbocharged cars driven irregularity
0:21:22and 335 doesn't feel much like a
0:21:25turbocharged card feels much more like a
0:21:27very small v8 which is exactly what BMW
0:21:29is aiming for and to that end I I really
0:21:32enjoy it now you put me in in John's
0:21:34accord with a proper transmission and no
0:21:37turbochargers and I'll probably say well
0:21:39it isn't as quick as a 335 that man is
0:21:42that throttle response good so I don't
0:21:44John have you driven many church party
0:21:46said your your appearance vulva was is
0:21:48that right yeah i mean and that was it
0:21:50was an old-style turbo where there's no
0:21:52engine and then all of a sudden as an
0:21:53engine like that you know there was it
0:21:55like that was like a group just
0:21:56continuous power
0:21:58banned entirely that's that's that's the
0:22:00exciting part about turbos is that it's
0:22:02not so much if you had smoothly gone up
0:22:05to the level of power wouldn't be as
0:22:06dramatic as you going and before like it
0:22:09that there was tremendous turbo lag but
0:22:11when it kicked in yet i don't think it
0:22:13was a very strong turbo but like that
0:22:14the engine wasn't that powerful but the
0:22:17turbo really you know you noticed it and
0:22:20that was exciting you know I mean keep
0:22:22going from cars that had no power at all
0:22:24to one that you know had this big jump
0:22:26to power was good at the the same token
0:22:31I've always this is the kind of a
0:22:33engineering nerd type thing I've always
0:22:35respected car companies that produce
0:22:38naturally aspirated engines and then
0:22:40brag about the horsepower per liter
0:22:42right like that was the whole point that
0:22:44race like acura had the crown with the
0:22:47integra for a while I think and I think
0:22:49Ferrari had it with the 355 at one point
0:22:52had the highest you know output per for
0:22:55leader and that is kind of like a
0:22:58gentleman's like a gentleman's race for
0:23:00you know we're not going to use
0:23:02turbocharger yes we could we could just
0:23:04pump air into the engine and get more
0:23:06power that's unseemly we're going to see
0:23:08how much again you know and that thing
0:23:10about Marcos analogy with like lcds and
0:23:13how their pack to death try to make them
0:23:15be decent
0:23:16I think the appropriate analog for lcds
0:23:19and how you know we've changed them a
0:23:20lot and and in the car world is the
0:23:23internal combustion engine because
0:23:25internal combustion engines like look
0:23:26you could squirt flammable stuff in here
0:23:29and light it and it pushes these things
0:23:30up
0:23:31that's great and then immediately
0:23:32everyone sees okay well that's good and
0:23:34all but there are some problems with his
0:23:36engine for one thing when you run too
0:23:37fast it explodes
0:23:38that's bad time to get hot and melt
0:23:41together we gotta think of something to
0:23:42do about that too and you know it we
0:23:46have all these belts and pulleys know
0:23:47that they are in great and they kind of
0:23:48wear out and when they break bad things
0:23:50happen so if we could maybe get some of
0:23:52you know it's like we've been hacking
0:23:53the internal and just an engine for all
0:23:55of its terrible flaws though you know it
0:23:56shakes the whole car apart well maybe
0:23:58but a different amount of cylinders in
0:23:59it that will be better balance but if we
0:24:01have the lower number we could bounce
0:24:02shafts in and like you know timing
0:24:05chains and overhead cams and direct
0:24:06injection you know where instead of
0:24:08spraying the gas to a tube into this
0:24:09thing maybe just squirt right into the
0:24:11engine you know all we've just been
0:24:13hacking this friggin thing to death
0:24:14forever it is that the internal
0:24:16combustion engine is the lcds of today
0:24:18where they have all this time tables on
0:24:19had a transition of pixel from one color
0:24:21to another color by passing through
0:24:23solid color because that's actually the
0:24:24fastest path is pre-programmed in all
0:24:26those things all that crazy stuff and
0:24:28dynamic back lights on TVs and
0:24:30everything that's what we're doing the
0:24:31internal combustion engine
0:24:32contrast this with the new technology
0:24:34which is you know like in the Tesla
0:24:36which is still in the stage were like
0:24:38hey we can hook up batteries to an
0:24:40electric motor and it goes and we
0:24:42haven't yet begun to really hack that
0:24:44maybe we won't maybe just inherently
0:24:45simple technology but for one thing
0:24:46transmission goes out the window we just
0:24:49hook up the freakin engine to the wheel
0:24:51you know we're good to go there all
0:24:52these things about torque you know not
0:24:54having a low-end torque or anything
0:24:55hundred percent of your target that
0:24:57available in electric languages
0:24:58available with 0 RPM which is very
0:25:01different from the other things we have
0:25:02to do with with regular you know
0:25:04internal combustion engines so just come
0:25:06but this combination seems like the
0:25:07hacker but I think internal combustion
0:25:09engines are really the ultimate hack job
0:25:11and we continue to push them and push
0:25:13them that's what the load displacement
0:25:14herbal about it's like if you would if
0:25:17you took one of these load displacement
0:25:18turbos from some crappy economy car and
0:25:20brought it back in time to like the
0:25:21fifties and said we have an engine for
0:25:24you and it's ways you know 200 pants and
0:25:26it displaces this much and this and this
0:25:28is the mileage and is the power they'd
0:25:30be like this from a supercar like no to
0:25:32toyota echo you know like it's
0:25:35unbelievable we managed to ring out of
0:25:37the internal combustion engine which is
0:25:38why it's got such legs battery density
0:25:41like power density of batteries like how
0:25:43much energy can you put in how much mass
0:25:45but we are much lower in advancing and
0:25:48that's why all the hydrogen cars and all
0:25:50that other stuff in our weekend which
0:25:51all your cars and on we can run our cars
0:25:54on tiny little off mr. fusion type
0:25:56things or maybe use depleted uranium or
0:25:58not completing the case may be you know
0:26:00like other things have better energy
0:26:02mass than gasoline but currently battery
0:26:04technology is not one of them when
0:26:07gasoline also has a heck of a lot of
0:26:09advantages in just practicality like for
0:26:14instance if you if you crash into a car
0:26:16so hard that the gas tank ruptures it
0:26:19won't explode immediately
0:26:21you can't quite guarantee that for
0:26:23hydrogen
0:26:24and and and there's there's like all
0:26:27sorts of other like transporting that I
0:26:30truck transport on hydrogen is kind of
0:26:33dangerous compared to gasoline smell
0:26:35like there's a debatable whether the
0:26:36hydrogen is more dangerous think more
0:26:38the only thing is really really you
0:26:40could say hydrogen has disadvantages vs
0:26:43guess is that it has to be under
0:26:44pressure right and that adds a
0:26:46tremendous implications
0:26:47yeah yeah yeah I don't know about the
0:26:50explosiveness or any of those other
0:26:52factors if that's if that's just because
0:26:54of the pressures involved or not but
0:26:55like have you guys heard of the Fisker
0:26:57Karma
0:26:58yes in fact mr. just quit didn't he mr.
0:27:02fisker I think just left the company
0:27:04left the board or something there that
0:27:06mean that company was probably never
0:27:08going anywhere but the design is like
0:27:09the Chevy Volt where it's got a gasoline
0:27:11engine but the end is not connected to
0:27:12the wheels it's just there as a
0:27:15generator to charge the batteries and
0:27:16the batteries drive electric motors to
0:27:18make the car go right and i think that's
0:27:20a pretty elegant solution to the hybrid
0:27:22range problem
0:27:23I mean to the electric car range problem
0:27:25and we obviously that's a transitional
0:27:27technology until we can really you know
0:27:29gets the point where battery density is
0:27:31awesome and we can start doing you no
0:27:33longer range cars and maybe faster
0:27:36recharges on the highway but until we
0:27:38get there which is probably at least a
0:27:40decade off i think these uh I think
0:27:43things like the volt and the fisker are
0:27:44really a very smart compromise
0:27:47oh yeah I'd like to see it we should
0:27:48have done that before the show if we
0:27:49actually prepared but like a graph of
0:27:50energy density and batteries because i
0:27:53think it is not improving all that fast
0:27:55like you said 10 years but they always
0:27:56just say ten years like it's right up
0:27:58wearing like show me the graph right
0:27:59what is how how are our wii advantage is
0:28:02obviously this to lots of effort put on
0:28:04crew increasing energy density batteries
0:28:06because it helps laptops cell phones
0:28:08tablets like this many applications of
0:28:09this car is just one of the many
0:28:11applications so it seems it's not for
0:28:13lack of trying like if someone could do
0:28:15a tenfold increase in energy density and
0:28:17batteries and you know and maintain like
0:28:19a reasonable recharge time like fuel
0:28:21cells for the other thing is going to
0:28:22save us but still not here right
0:28:25I think progress is slow on those fronts
0:28:27whereas I i bet i would like to see that
0:28:30graft against like mileage and power
0:28:33output for cars because during all this
0:28:35time we've been complaining about all
0:28:37these fuel efficiency stuff
0:28:38the average power available in any car
0:28:42pick any car range you know consumer
0:28:43sports or whatever just going up up
0:28:45because that's what we like we like more
0:28:46power right so we've been making really
0:28:49good progress hacking the internal
0:28:51combustion engine to not just like
0:28:54maintain the status quo with better
0:28:55mileage but give us better mileage and
0:28:57more power and more torque and better
0:28:59torque curves and less noise and
0:29:01vibration and harshness and you know
0:29:02just improving on all fronts probably
0:29:05faster than $PERCENT battery
0:29:06technologies have been proving so I'm
0:29:09unless there's going to be some sort of
0:29:10breakthrough in battery technology in my
0:29:12lifetime I'm having a hard time seeing
0:29:15the internal combustion engine ever get
0:29:17complete dethrone the balance of power
0:29:18and underneath the cars may change in
0:29:20terms of how much battery how much
0:29:22electric how much gas but any technology
0:29:25is going to be the internal combustion
0:29:27has a tough road ahead of it because
0:29:29internal brush and keeps getting better
0:29:30and we worked on it for a long time and
0:29:34battery technology and you know carbon
0:29:36and fuel cells have not been getting
0:29:38better fast enough to like quickly swamp
0:29:41and overtake like when the priest came
0:29:42out of our people like Oh in five years
0:29:44all these internal combustion engine
0:29:45will be gone
0:29:46well no not you mean not less battery
0:29:49technology gets much better faster and
0:29:50if it does you'll notice because
0:29:51suddenly you're your cell phone will
0:29:53last all week without charging when that
0:29:55happens watch out internal combustion
0:29:56engine but you know right now on the
0:29:58other limiting factors that may be
0:30:00yourself what does go a week without
0:30:01charging but it's only because the
0:30:03internal components now sip juice like
0:30:04crazy but at your car has to carry
0:30:08around you at the very least and you're
0:30:10not getting any center especially for
0:30:13American yeah and also known as we were
0:30:15saying the minute ago like really
0:30:17gasoline is extremely convenient for so
0:30:20many reasons like it especially you know
0:30:22you look at what test was doing with the
0:30:23supercharged and everything and that's
0:30:25that's a big step but it being it like
0:30:29having to stop for 45 minutes or a half
0:30:33hour whatever it is I don't want I don't
0:30:34want Tesla Sumerian and threatened to
0:30:36lose a hundred million dollars of value
0:30:37but you know whatever it is half hour 45
0:30:41minutes for a full charge
0:30:43that's very very different to stop on a
0:30:45road trip every 200 miles for that then
0:30:48to stop every 500 miles 45 minutes
0:30:52anywhere but no matter where you are you
0:30:55can find a gas station within a few
0:30:56miles of where you are in all likelihood
0:30:58be able to stop their refill your car
0:31:01and have another 500 miles arranged i
0:31:02mean that's that's awesome and only
0:31:05gasoline today can do that and you're
0:31:07right it doesn't seem like the
0:31:08alternatives are advancing quickly
0:31:11enough to be able to replace that
0:31:13anytime soon
0:31:15I would agree with that it there's an
0:31:17argument that several people been making
0:31:19my father said this to me on numerous
0:31:21occasions that we're never going to
0:31:22really be able to break off the the oil
0:31:26teat if you will until either we really
0:31:29do run out of oil or it just gets taxed
0:31:32well candidly to you know European
0:31:34levels in America and then suddenly will
0:31:36say oh we must find a way and then
0:31:38suddenly someone will have an epiphany
0:31:40and decide oh we can do this other thing
0:31:42much cheaper better we want dinosaurs
0:31:44because we'll just do what you have to
0:31:46like every every time the gas prices are
0:31:49getting near another dollar interval
0:31:51everyone predict o-once it crosses X
0:31:55dollars a gallon and then world never
0:31:57gonna c major you know major shifts and
0:31:59demand and electric things taking over
0:32:02and practice that crosses that level
0:32:04everyone freaks out for a week and then
0:32:06that's just the normal level of casque
0:32:07costs and and so it doesn't and yeah you
0:32:10know food prices rise trucker prices are
0:32:13you know like all this stuff happened to
0:32:14the economy but in people's minds
0:32:16gasps crossing a certain level doesn't
0:32:18really change anything now
0:32:20certainly you know to go to European
0:32:22type pricing for gas it would I think it
0:32:24was mostly double our prices that
0:32:26roughly $PERCENT accurate be paying more
0:32:28than eight dollars gown and and that's
0:32:31with the convert two leaders some
0:32:32habitat that's a you know that would
0:32:36certainly like a doubling is obviously a
0:32:38a bigger change than just going to five
0:32:41dollars or something and and that might
0:32:44change people's minds a little bit more
0:32:45severely but I think we can see that
0:32:48already we can look at Europe we can see
0:32:50places that do have way more expensive
0:32:52gas than we do and they have an off
0:32:55switch to electric they just buy
0:32:57smaller displacement engines they they
0:32:58care more about efficiency they buy
0:33:00smaller cars you know like that's that's
0:33:03what we're going to see and we do see
0:33:05that now already you know when as gas
0:33:08pricing goes up we are seeing that
0:33:10demand shift just very very slowly but
0:33:13there's never some big trigger event
0:33:15that certainly makes everyone willing to
0:33:17tolerate such at things like the
0:33:19downsides of electric cars
0:33:21oh there's two things work is energy
0:33:23density which you just mentioned and I
0:33:24finally did look up a graphing and
0:33:26according to this graph we have doubled
0:33:28energy density and 10 years from
0:33:30basically from the introduction of the
0:33:31ev1 to the Tesla so there's progress but
0:33:33it's something every year it's doubling
0:33:35every 10 years so that's 10 times slower
0:33:36than we would expect from you know
0:33:38transistor density or whatever and the
0:33:40other factors cost
0:33:42alright so fine say we could double
0:33:43energy density in one year instead of 10
0:33:45it still costs 50 grand for you like
0:33:48real cost without government you know
0:33:50subsidies and rebates and other stuff to
0:33:52get you just any car with it with a
0:33:54reasonable range with a battery in it
0:33:56it's not so good I mean I that you know
0:33:59we have all these government subsidies
0:34:00that make the model s as cheap as it is
0:34:02a hundred grand like the Chevy Volt is
0:34:04like 40 grand which is still expensive
0:34:05but the Sheffield is not really 40 grand
0:34:08it's way more expensive than that now if
0:34:10you just if you're paying the full cost
0:34:11and so these increases energy and you
0:34:14have to come along with an economical
0:34:18increases energy density because the
0:34:19batteries are so big and you know that
0:34:21the the things physics are so movable
0:34:23you have to move the people over the
0:34:24roads through the air you can't like
0:34:26that energy barrier is not going to get
0:34:28any lower and yet I mean it was more
0:34:31thinking that I mean here's a question
0:34:32you know right now like you know as you
0:34:36can probably tell by my ranting about
0:34:37range and and refill times I wouldn't
0:34:40buy something like the Tesla today
0:34:41because I frequently take long road
0:34:44trips that are you know like 200 miles
0:34:46long or 250 miles long
0:34:48where it sounds like I would probably
0:34:51not make it on a full charge of a Tesla
0:34:54or it would be it would be uncomfortably
0:34:56close so i probably should probably
0:34:57wouldn't want to attempt that anyway so
0:35:00like a at the addition question first
0:35:03answer how much range do you think
0:35:06electric car would need for you to make
0:35:08it your only car
0:35:10like I think for me that number is
0:35:11probably 500 miles and i'm basing that
0:35:15on like I would want to be if I was
0:35:18taking a multi-day road trip which
0:35:21granted i don't really do the most of
0:35:23the time but it but if I was taking a
0:35:25multi-day road trip i would want to be
0:35:26roughly the number of miles i would want
0:35:29to drive per day before just gettin
0:35:31tired and wanted to save the rest of the
0:35:32next day so I think 500 is a decent
0:35:35number for that but actually that's my
0:35:37real world miles though not 500 like if
0:35:40you absolutely stretch everything to the
0:35:42max and drive perfectly on a perfectly
0:35:44flat road with no wind
0:35:45I'm talking real usage mileage so it
0:35:48would probably need an advertised
0:35:49capacity of more like 700 miles but
0:35:51you're basing that on on the idea that
0:35:53it takes you a long time to refuel and
0:35:57that you can't refuel anywhere that was
0:35:59true that those are two things because
0:36:01you're not insisting a 500 mile range
0:36:02and gas garbage like I just stopped at a
0:36:04gas station big deal no big deal right
0:36:05a lot of cars over 500 my friendships I
0:36:08tell ya something very few very very
0:36:10view but yea BMWs are among those cars
0:36:12that ridiculous ranges another not
0:36:14becoming Muslim yeah I fill my car
0:36:17constantly well some of them do I just
0:36:20thought was just reading about it was
0:36:21just reading about some car with BMW
0:36:23with a 500 mile range was a DVD m550d
0:36:26which is ridiculously awesome we'll
0:36:28never get in the US
0:36:29yeah my abilities but anyway like so if
0:36:33you have one of these cars like the
0:36:35vaults of the Karma we're all right so
0:36:37the range is 200 miles or 250 miles even
0:36:39or something that reason one else but
0:36:41you just felt the gas tank when it runs
0:36:43out right in the gas station it's still
0:36:45electric are you still get you know 50
0:36:47miles per gallon or whatever 60 then
0:36:50suddenly you don't your criteria 500 my
0:36:52range is not a big deal you're just
0:36:54talking about pure-play entirely
0:36:56electric cars because you know that
0:36:58given current technology it takes
0:36:59forever to charge them you can't just
0:37:01stop for 10 minutes and you know fill
0:37:03the tank again you're going to be there
0:37:05for an hour two hours something really
0:37:06good like that it's really extending
0:37:07your trip and I'm frequently like I'm
0:37:09frequently in rural areas where you know
0:37:12there you might have to drive five miles
0:37:15before you see the first gas station i
0:37:18think it's going to be fairly long
0:37:19before those places have
0:37:21high speed electric charge stations and
0:37:24high-speed it's like a half an hour in
0:37:25our writings have more it still sucks if
0:37:28you do if you weren't planning like you
0:37:30know Tesla's Tesla's PR kind of says
0:37:33well you know if you if you're stopping
0:37:35for a meal i must recharge your car
0:37:37rental it'll just take longer to go in
0:37:39and have a meal well i don't know about
0:37:41you but when I stopped for a road trip
0:37:42first of all I like not having to stop
0:37:45for a half-hour like if I don't really
0:37:47want to me i don't really need a meal
0:37:48thank you i just like to fill up please
0:37:49with gas that takes five minutes and but
0:37:52even even from stopping for a meal
0:37:55what they're really what they're really
0:37:56telling us to get a full charge need to
0:37:58stop for like 45 minutes or you know
0:38:00that's that's a bit long for a road trip
0:38:02meal for me like when we stopped you
0:38:04know even a rest stop and maybe if we go
0:38:07to the bathroom and get gas and get food
0:38:10maybe it might be 25-30 minutes
0:38:14you know like it here and and we're not
0:38:15likely to do that do in the middle of
0:38:18most road trips you know like most road
0:38:21trips are going to be like for us it's
0:38:22gonna be like that 200 to 300 mile range
0:38:24where we can make it the whole way
0:38:26without gas or food probably you know so
0:38:29and if we do stop for either we're gonna
0:38:31make it quick
0:38:32similarly like I mean obviously I'm new
0:38:35to this whole having a kid thing but for
0:38:40us you know I I assume this is similar
0:38:42with other parents you know the baby has
0:38:45his own schedule and if we stop for a
0:38:50half hour at an unplanned time that's
0:38:53going to really backfire in a bad way in
0:38:56all likelihood and whereas like you know
0:38:59if I'm just stopping for five minutes
0:39:00and the baby is trying to sleep and he
0:39:02only wants to sleep on the cars going
0:39:04fast okay i can stop 45 minutes he might
0:39:07sleep through it if he wakes up he'll
0:39:08scream 43 minutes and then we go
0:39:10you know that's that's very different
0:39:12from ok here's an unplanned
0:39:14half-hour-long stop and and some of this
0:39:17is you could argue some of this would
0:39:19just be changing your habits and and
0:39:22planning for these things and
0:39:23accommodating for these things but
0:39:25that's not a very strong selling point
0:39:27in a market that's already established
0:39:28like gas is really convenient we have
0:39:31gas everywhere available to us for
0:39:34reasonable prices for the most part with
0:39:37very fast Philip times and so gas is
0:39:39very convenient and and two for somebody
0:39:41to spend more temporarily spend more on
0:39:45electric car and to have all these
0:39:48downsides that go with it
0:39:50I think it's a pretty weak proposition
0:39:52but i think they were the range thing is
0:39:55mostly not it i mean not that it's not
0:39:58important because it is for this for all
0:39:59the reasons you listed but it's it's
0:40:01mostly it's not what's preventing
0:40:02electric cars from up being more popular
0:40:04it cost us the problem because so many
0:40:06people do not take long trips or have
0:40:08two cars and you can have one for the
0:40:10long trip someone not for the long trip
0:40:12you just need to make the cars and much
0:40:14less expensive because then people will
0:40:15consider them those hey i'm saving all
0:40:17this money on gas
0:40:19why wouldn't advise got what you
0:40:20wouldn't buy this is 30 grand that's why
0:40:21you wouldn't buy you have fifteen
0:40:22thousand dollars you can get a honda fit
0:40:24that has almost as good mileage not
0:40:26quite you know me but if you if if they
0:40:27become price-competitive then you know
0:40:29people by a little cars to just commute
0:40:31back and forth to work my work is like
0:40:32five miles away from my house and I you
0:40:34know I drive 10 miles a day and you know
0:40:36i'm back home i would buy a pure
0:40:38electric car to commute to and from work
0:40:40in a second if it didn't cost so much
0:40:44money you know what I mean oh I mean
0:40:46you're right that cost is definitely
0:40:47number one factor but you gotta figure
0:40:50also a lot of people that you know you
0:40:53see this with a lot with people who buy
0:40:55SUVs or pickup trucks a lot of people
0:40:58will buy a car thinking that they will
0:41:01use it in some fashion that requires a
0:41:04certain type of car whether it's a truck
0:41:06or a big SUV or something like that
0:41:07they'll say oh well I'll occasionally go
0:41:09up in the mountains or I'll occasionally
0:41:11to haul something and it might they
0:41:13might only need to do that once a year
0:41:14or like twice during the entire time
0:41:16they have the car but they still buy the
0:41:20car you know kind of aspirationally
0:41:22thinking oh I I'm gonna need it for
0:41:25those times you and they will consider
0:41:26things like oh I'll just rent a truck
0:41:29for a day when I need one something
0:41:31value those options usually aren't
0:41:32considered just like a lot of people
0:41:34will will buy a car that is way more
0:41:37than their quote needs because of some
0:41:40something they have in their head that
0:41:42they think they'll do or they want to do
0:41:43even though they might never get around
0:41:45to it that's going to be the big bro
0:41:47album after cost becomes less of an
0:41:49issue with electric cars that have
0:41:51limited ranges are range issues that
0:41:53people like well what if i want to drive
0:41:55to ohio you know if that's that then
0:41:58it's not gonna I'm gonna have to stop
0:41:59for hours in the middle like that even
0:42:01even if you only drive to ohio once a
0:42:04year or even if you haven't ever done
0:42:06and you might want to someday do it but
0:42:09I wouldn't recommend them to ohio just
0:42:11as an example but if you do you might as
0:42:14well we stopped at stake and shake their
0:42:15pretty good but yet through it all it's
0:42:18a boring state to drive through that's
0:42:20mr. communities room at the very least
0:42:22if they can get the cost down you can
0:42:24immediately you then you have a real
0:42:26market because you can immediately sell
0:42:27to all the people who already buy cars
0:42:29that they just know we're gonna be a
0:42:30little dinky commuters are you know
0:42:31Europe where like you know you go too
0:42:33far in your country so it's not like you
0:42:35know haha how long a trip can you really
0:42:38taking that they have the Eurorail to go
0:42:40on the long trip stuff like that there
0:42:42is a market for small commuter cars it
0:42:44really never do on your own people will
0:42:46buy them at especially if they're cheap
0:42:48and not just keep it cheap reliable like
0:42:50all there are many advantages to
0:42:52electric cars just as fewer fewer things
0:42:54that can go wrong in it you know so
0:42:55presumably by that point you know no
0:42:58more transmission or muffler like you
0:43:00could seal the freaking thing up and try
0:43:01to make it more weatherproof because
0:43:02everything can be you know all sealed up
0:43:04and the technology is nailed down to it
0:43:06it really will be a much more reliable
0:43:08much more pleasant thing to use in this
0:43:12hypothetical future where it doesn't
0:43:13cost 30 grand take to get yourself one
0:43:15that that's any good then you've got you
0:43:17are immediately got less a quarter maybe
0:43:19even half of the market you still don't
0:43:21have those people think they're going a
0:43:22long trip and stuff like that but that's
0:43:23where hybrids can come in we like all
0:43:25right fine
0:43:25you've got a gasoline engine charges the
0:43:27batteries if if you run a juice just
0:43:29filled with gas station you're good to
0:43:30go then that works out but I mean I
0:43:34think this is all gets back to those
0:43:35those stupid batteries like all these
0:43:37things are just all hypothetical because
0:43:38right now it's just it's just a
0:43:40non-starter and I think there's no
0:43:42amount of like a wolf
0:43:43government-subsidized these cars it
0:43:45would just you know all they would have
0:43:47to subsidize them in perpetuity until we
0:43:49can get another another 20 years we get
0:43:51two more doubling of energy density
0:43:53assuming current trends continue because
0:43:54this graph looks like a line it is not
0:43:56like a curve so it's not like this is
0:43:57accelerating or decelerating is just
0:43:59slow steady progress
0:44:01sorry and internal combustion engines
0:44:03keep getting better as well so here's a
0:44:05question I mean think about it think
0:44:07about this first of all I to question is
0:44:10do you do you foresee a future and no
0:44:12and i'm sure this is probably a ways out
0:44:16but do you foresee a future where
0:44:19electric cars are cheaper than gas cars
0:44:20because they are inherently simpler you
0:44:22know like how long do you think it'll be
0:44:24before that happens they're cheaper now
0:44:27if you don't get any batteries in them
0:44:28there
0:44:30that's because that's you know that's
0:44:32that's what goes on the like those two
0:44:34electric motors that drive the wheels
0:44:36compared to the number of parts in the
0:44:37precision and write for for an internal
0:44:39combustion engine
0:44:40yeah i mean electric car should be
0:44:43cheaper as assuming they can figure out
0:44:46the battery thing is everything else
0:44:47about them
0:44:48there's so much stuff you don't need
0:44:49this also many parts go away so many
0:44:51things don't need to be manufactured
0:44:53just so much stuff just disappears and
0:44:56it it really like looking at Tesla and
0:44:58tests are just shows you like wow
0:45:00regular cars filled with a lot of crap
0:45:02that you know that you don't strictly
0:45:05need all the government looks at you
0:45:07wouldn't you do add a lot i mean i i'm
0:45:09sure it doesn't come close to closing
0:45:11the gap but you do add a lot of weird
0:45:12complex parts for for energy saving
0:45:14purposes like regenerative breaking
0:45:16things and like various tricks for all
0:45:19the electrical components in the car to
0:45:20save power like you lost like something
0:45:23because like solid state state stuff is
0:45:25the type of thing that gets you know
0:45:26it's cheap it's not like it's not like a
0:45:28traditional seen pieces of metal flying
0:45:30past each other a little while it with
0:45:33get out with exhaust gases and heat and
0:45:36noise and yeah it's it's way less it
0:45:39like no I don't know though because I
0:45:41think you're over simple you're
0:45:42oversimplifying a bit in the sense that
0:45:43yes the engine unequivocally gets a lot
0:45:45simpler but you still have a drivetrain
0:45:47you still have suspension you still have
0:45:49wheel bearings instead of steering but
0:45:51you don't have a drivetrain to speak up
0:45:53when the electric motors are hooked up
0:45:54to the wheels i guess i can even have a
0:45:57license
0:45:58alright you mean you still have
0:46:00suspension components and stuff like
0:46:02that thing where but like and you also
0:46:03still have the other thing you know you
0:46:05might not think about when you look at
0:46:06the tassels they still also have to have
0:46:07like on the test blood they have a you
0:46:10know that the pump further for the power
0:46:12steering
0:46:13I think it's not electrical power
0:46:14steering which is strange i think it's
0:46:15actually a hydraulic pump that the pump
0:46:17the gas you know that hydraulic brakes
0:46:20they have the the little things going to
0:46:22run the compressor for the air
0:46:23conditioner right all these are
0:46:25electric-powered things right but that
0:46:27it's not just the things that drive the
0:46:29wheels you need something for like
0:46:30doesn't translate in the accessories
0:46:32it's all ends up being electric but the
0:46:35sheer amount of stuff that isn't there
0:46:37is just so tremendous that these other
0:46:39things it's kind of weird that they look
0:46:41at this little you know they would like
0:46:43the size of softballs like those you
0:46:44know there's a little air-conditioning
0:46:45compressor and there's a little pomp and
0:46:47there's a little thing for the fan that
0:46:49stuff will continue to coalesce into
0:46:52like I presume some little single blob
0:46:56in this future where all cars are
0:46:58electric or on most cars or electric
0:47:00where the really have it nailed down is
0:47:01like it's like you know the LCD is the
0:47:03internal combustion engine we have it
0:47:04said so many years to hack on the
0:47:06internal combustion engine this electric
0:47:07motor is like the simple version before
0:47:09we start the hack on it to death before
0:47:11we've even electric motor sit around and
0:47:13talk about electric car drive trains
0:47:14will figure out all the tricks that you
0:47:16have to do to make an electric cars
0:47:18drivetrain plus human creature comforts
0:47:20being an efficient package and will
0:47:22iterate on that and I think that
0:47:24iteration will look a little more like
0:47:26iteration the technology industry then
0:47:29sort of the mechanical reciprocating
0:47:32metal lubricated parts iteration which
0:47:34looks more like mechanical iteration
0:47:37like it either
0:47:38this certain barriers to materials and
0:47:41cost of manufacturing and physical
0:47:42tolerances that are pretty movable and
0:47:45its really tough to make good progress
0:47:46and those whereas if once we can make
0:47:48something electric we can just keep
0:47:49drinking that introducing the power and
0:47:51you know doing a lot of stuff that's
0:47:53very interesting . and if you think
0:47:55about it i'll probably beat up for this
0:47:57but to some degree the automobiles it
0:48:00stands today is an extension of the
0:48:01Industrial Revolution and that it's just
0:48:03a very very revel it's a machine that's
0:48:05been refined like you've been saying for
0:48:07over and over and over again 400 years
0:48:08but again to your point it i'm curious
0:48:12to see what the future brings in terms
0:48:13of electric cars because now we're
0:48:14moving just like you said more towards
0:48:16the information age towards transistors
0:48:18towards solid-state and and I I feel
0:48:21like it's time but just like you guys
0:48:23have said either we need much better
0:48:24batteries or we need much quicker
0:48:26charging which
0:48:27you could argue is saying the same thing
0:48:28twice and I just I don't see how we're
0:48:30gonna get there anytime soon but you
0:48:32know i didn't think i'd be holding a
0:48:33computer in my pocket 24 hours or more
0:48:36than 24 hours a day but 10 hours a day
0:48:37but you don't want it there on time
0:48:39what no not when I'm sleeping more
0:48:42careful you don't sleep in jeans on a
0:48:44pocket with a song now
0:48:45no sorry nor do I have a mock turtleneck
0:48:48or anything like that
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0:50:20alright so time for automatic yes but
0:50:24are we done with a Ferrari anyone like
0:50:25you talking about you're still talking
0:50:26laferrari yeah along the engine the only
0:50:30thing i think i'd like to add is that it
0:50:32its it's one of those things where in
0:50:34retrospect it seems inevitable but it's
0:50:35surprising to me that we're just now
0:50:38looking at the the drivetrains that we
0:50:41have available to us in saying who you
0:50:43know most internal combustion engines
0:50:45they don't really come into their own
0:50:47until really late in the RPM range
0:50:50generally speaking and you know it's
0:50:52interesting these electric engines we
0:50:53have have a million torque for torques
0:50:57if you're Jeremy Clarkson from 0 RPM and
0:50:59just like you said earlier John you know
0:51:00why don't we put these together and in
0:51:02am surprised that the Ferrari is the law
0:51:04of the ferrari laferrari cr0 to protect
0:51:07me exactly is the first thing that there
0:51:10is the first real supercar application
0:51:12that I'm aware of that really puts the
0:51:13two together for nothing but performance
0:51:15and it seems in retrospect so obvious
0:51:17you have the electric motor when you're
0:51:19making no torque and you have the
0:51:20internal combustion motor when you're
0:51:22making a ton of torque while the
0:51:23batteries are always the problem like we
0:51:25do that if we could just have the
0:51:26battery's not be inside the car maybe we
0:51:29could being the the electricity to the
0:51:31car through a high-power laser of some
0:51:32kind maybe because that's you know
0:51:34that's the problem is don't want the
0:51:36microwave and simcity yeah so now I like
0:51:39this what this doubling of energy
0:51:40density of batteries in the past decade
0:51:42is now got to the point where now also i
0:51:44think that is me a sex doing this as
0:51:45well having a some sort of hybrid thing
0:51:47I don't know operated by the the portion
0:51:49that BMW i8 is also doing it but we are
0:51:51not talking about being with you anymore
0:51:52because the shows too much about BMW
0:51:54yeah it's not like I mean if this cars
0:51:57is basically you know it's me it's an
0:51:59804 horsepower v12 that revs to 9,000
0:52:03250 rpm which is insane and then just a
0:52:07little bit of electricity that just a
0:52:08little bit extra of like made the
0:52:10batteries as small as we possibly can
0:52:12not a big deal little bit of
0:52:14regenerative thing here you go like and
0:52:17they show the little big show the graph
0:52:18of the tour curves like will overlap
0:52:20these curves here's the engine here's
0:52:21the electric motor and we add the two
0:52:23curves together first day the electric
0:52:26motor torque curve eventually starts the
0:52:27tail off it very high rpm barely but it
0:52:29does tail off a little bit whereas the
0:52:31gas engine has a peak later on and then
0:52:33slowly starts to an output right just uh
0:52:38. also where you know going back to what
0:52:40we were saying earlier about you know my
0:52:42theory about whatever you're used to is
0:52:43what you think is normal between turbo
0:52:45and naturally aspirated engines imagine
0:52:49once people get used to electric cars
0:52:51all-electric car
0:52:52I to go from that to a gas engine car
0:52:56the gas engine car must just feel
0:52:58incredibly clumsy and ancient by
0:53:00comparison and I'm not feeling all that
0:53:03torque that you have available with
0:53:04electric you know by having this weird
0:53:06complicated engine that's a no vibrating
0:53:09and loud relatively speaking and you
0:53:12know that it's got to just feel like I
0:53:14don't like it'd be like riding this bike
0:53:16riding like a rail cart that's stuck
0:53:19behind a steam engine for that today
0:53:20like it would be like using a CRT
0:53:22monitor i think that's the closest one
0:53:24because like once we cross that divide
0:53:25no one wants to go back to CRT is a good
0:53:27that curves thing with the staticky
0:53:29stuff and the big giant wait that's not
0:53:31so much space remember divergence for
0:53:34convergence whatever it was that would
0:53:36make the pixels misalign there three
0:53:37colors of sweet pc monitors go here we
0:53:42go here we go down that don't go down
0:53:44that rabbit hole
0:53:45are we done with the ferrari laferrari
0:53:46well I don't really think there's one on
0:53:49douchey way to say that you can either
0:53:50just if you see dollar laferrari well
0:53:53that's just come on that sounds terrible
0:53:55you can't I couldn't say that in a
0:53:56conversation i could say i got you
0:53:58saying we start with that ugly is it
0:54:01uglier than the ends are not uglier than
0:54:02the ends up not absolutely this is just
0:54:06not the kind of car I would ever buy so
0:54:08I i really can't judge it I mean it
0:54:09looks it almost looks to me like a like
0:54:12a cartoon car like I just this is this
0:54:15has never entered my world of things I
0:54:16would ever consider driving around it
0:54:18I don't think it looks like a cartoon
0:54:19because if you look at that was that the
0:54:21Lamborghini something with a V video or
0:54:24something like that's terrible that
0:54:26looks like a cartoon car ferrari I I
0:54:28feel like has been has the best styling
0:54:31among the top tier supercars because
0:54:33they make their cars interesting and not
0:54:35but they don't like lozenges they don't
0:54:37look like a smooth stone polished in a
0:54:40river like they have personality but
0:54:42they don't look like something that is
0:54:44six-year-old withdraw without fins and
0:54:46wings and how much of the stuff sticking
0:54:47out of it so well I barely remember
0:54:49something an eight-year-old right LOL no
0:54:52i think i think this there is a
0:54:54sophistication to this i think this
0:54:56particular one is much much more
0:54:58successful incarnation of this sort of
0:55:01style of car than the Enzo was the Enzo
0:55:03had some awkward bits on it
0:55:05all these cars are basically like a
0:55:07carbon fibre tub bolted to an engine
0:55:09with suspension on it and then you have
0:55:11to figure it out put a car body over it
0:55:13so kind of like an f1 car like styling
0:55:16is not they have limited freedom and
0:55:18styling with this car because his car is
0:55:20not about just looking beautiful as
0:55:22their top and performance car and if you
0:55:23have to compromise between styling
0:55:25performance and this this is the car
0:55:26ferrari says actually no we got a whole
0:55:28blind performances the whole . this car
0:55:30exist and across the bazillion dollars
0:55:32so it better be fast but i think they do
0:55:34a much better job with the styling than
0:55:36their competitors including the McLaren
0:55:38p1 which I think was like a a giant fish
0:55:41or snail or some other kind of ugly
0:55:43thing I still think the other Ferraris
0:55:46are better looking than this but there
0:55:48they can be because they can afford to
0:55:49be because they don't have to be so
0:55:51uncompromising about performance but I i
0:55:54give this following a pretty big thumbs
0:55:56up especially after the dark times of
0:55:59the endzone the f50 which were not
0:56:00attractive cars
0:56:03i mean i-i think it looks good but yeah
0:56:05I just it i can't really judge was not
0:56:08for me i got nothing for me lately like
0:56:11like learning a car like i can look at a
0:56:13really nice-looking car but if I if I
0:56:17later learn that that like the inside is
0:56:21kind of like the interior is kind of
0:56:22crappy or it doesn't ride very well or
0:56:25it's just like really impractical that
0:56:27it's kinda like like finding out that
0:56:29are really attractive person is like
0:56:31really crazy or stupid or mean it's like
0:56:34you just like like I can't I can't enjoy
0:56:36looking at cars like this or looking at
0:56:40cars that I that I learn our are bad and
0:56:42some other way even if they look good
0:56:44I lose the ability to enjoy that once
0:56:47once I start thinking about like
0:56:48aspirationally what I want to own this
0:56:50and I think
0:56:52you know for all these different reasons
0:56:54so I i kinda can enjoy it
0:56:56so if you were to in the comedy of what
0:56:59I'm about to say is i'm asking the
0:57:01future / owner of an m5 but Marco money
0:57:03no object
0:57:04uh-huh what supercar do you think you
0:57:07would have the m5 it could be for
0:57:09exactly the reason i got an--oh okay
0:57:10seriously car i thought so he said let's
0:57:13assume you have infinite money which
0:57:14means you already have like a car for
0:57:16the family car and you have the car for
0:57:17every day trips and now you have this
0:57:19infinity pool of money like what about a
0:57:20car for the days when I just want to go
0:57:22to the track or just go out on the road
0:57:24and just fool around no one else is
0:57:25gonna drive this car could have one seat
0:57:27for all you know this is the sole
0:57:28purpose card its own separate house that
0:57:30lives in with a staff that takes care of
0:57:32right next to your house . here intact
0:57:34your eyes that doesn't anyway and when
0:57:36you want you just walk up and show for
0:57:39brings it out for you and you're getting
0:57:40what car is that car
0:57:41honestly I don't know I've never thought
0:57:43about that because well first of all in
0:57:45many cases I think the m5 would still be
0:57:47that car
0:57:48uh I would but but I just I just think I
0:57:51i don't know like I i don't i don't
0:57:54fantasize about getting into some other
0:57:57kind of like super high-end cars why
0:57:59I've never even considered my options
0:58:00even our yeah i think it like i can
0:58:03imagine you being that person who would
0:58:04like to figure out what it is like now
0:58:06you've got this infinite money and you
0:58:07got nothing to do with your time except
0:58:09for you know figure out your stable cars
0:58:11here like I want the car that I'm just
0:58:12going to go and blaster and roads and
0:58:14have fun with you might end up with
0:58:15something like an Ariel Atom because you
0:58:17may drive that and say whoo-whoo that's
0:58:19the biggest blast gets insanely fast and
0:58:21he opens a new sensation you don't get
0:58:23for something else that is super car
0:58:25like performance is also ugly as sin you
0:58:28know maybe that's not a factor for you
0:58:29in when purchasing this type of car
0:58:32yeah I don't know I I just like I think
0:58:36one of the reasons why i like the m5 so
0:58:38much is because it is all those things
0:58:40to me like I can I can have my key to me
0:58:43i can have all of those like for me it
0:58:47does although supercar roles that I want
0:58:49you know in my fantasy world but it's
0:58:52also a practical everyday car and it's
0:58:54comfortable and has air conditioning and
0:58:56a good radio like it has hot those
0:58:58things like it it that's why I like it
0:59:00so much and i know what I've always
0:59:02liked to store thousands of things it
0:59:04is much more than some you sure yet
0:59:07already car it's much slower than all
0:59:09these other supercars were talking about
0:59:10in ways that you would actually notice
0:59:12not like it's a tenth of a second slower
0:59:13things are under two seconds to 60 you
0:59:16would notice that difference it's like
0:59:17twice as fast practically but we're not
0:59:19be going that I could even I mean I I
0:59:21don't even I can't even use the m5
0:59:23capacity where where I live and where I
0:59:25Drive even if i was going to a track i
0:59:28would like the m5 is so good on the
0:59:31track it's so far beyond my abilities as
0:59:34a driver to even take advantage of that
0:59:36power that I feel like if I had
0:59:38something even more powerful the only
0:59:40reason the only way I would be able to
0:59:43really take advantage of it is if I
0:59:44became a full-time track driver and got
0:59:47really good head and down 0-2
0:59:50what about it obviously on a track i
0:59:53think you would prefer something not
0:59:57like a miata maybe like that the-the-the
0:59:57like a miata maybe like that the-the-the
1:00:00rsr no subaru brz not because it would
1:00:03be faster on the track but because like
1:00:05if we gave you a choice like you had to
1:00:07laugh this track in your iphone 5 and
1:00:08then they gave you a much lighter weight
1:00:10car that is just you know better suited
1:00:13to the track even if you went around the
1:00:15track slower because they don't have as
1:00:16much power i think you would have more
1:00:18fun because it's like better suited to
1:00:20the track is definitely that's what this
1:00:22section of your your stable cars is for
1:00:24is not necessarily to make a mean and
1:00:26that's why i said Ariel Atom you know it
1:00:28is really fast it could be something
1:00:29that is slower than your other car but
1:00:32it's just more fun because it's like an
1:00:33amusement-park ride and it feels
1:00:35different when you're not swinging 4,000
1:00:37pounds around corners when you're
1:00:38swinging half of that around corners
1:00:40it just feels different and you don't
1:00:41even feel faster while not being faster
1:00:45honestly i think i think a something
1:00:49like the Tesla Roadster might even be
1:00:51the better choice for something like
1:00:53that
1:00:54like they make that anymore but yeah I
1:00:55can if they didn't like I think you
1:00:56would like the model s you should
1:00:58probably actually take a test drive that
1:00:59because the quality wanted to find out
1:01:01how much for a test drive oh that's what
1:01:04i said no thanks
1:01:05the experience of being in that car like
1:01:07i don't think it'll convince you to buy
1:01:08one but it is a different enough
1:01:10experience from being a regular gas car
1:01:12and it is pretty high-end be feeling shy
1:01:15in that car be with the low-end torque
1:01:17and the silence and the just the novelty
1:01:20of it is a different experience that you
1:01:22give you a preview of what what cars
1:01:24maybe like sometimes it isn't yet i
1:01:27would love to ride in a Model S I just
1:01:28haven't had the chance yet but uh me and
1:01:31grant i haven't tried that hard like I
1:01:33was that the one store in the mall by me
1:01:35and they want 25 grand so I said no
1:01:36thanks but you know I'm sure I could I
1:01:38could email them and say hey I'm a car
1:01:40podcaster hey maybe you can give me a
1:01:43free press ride or a loner for a weekend
1:01:45and drove behind me on my way home today
1:01:47is that there are three miles
1:01:50yeah i know i do still along behind me i
1:01:51was getting nervous because like he was
1:01:53coming up on me pretty fast like maybe
1:01:54he doesn't know how to drive this thing
1:01:55epic it doesn't look like i said once i
1:01:57will let you drive it you can drive it
1:01:59almost entirely with the right foot
1:02:00where instead of hitting the brake you
1:02:01just let off the gas and it's very well
1:02:03enough Breaking so you can get into a
1:02:04mode where you're just driving like a
1:02:05golf cart but no breaks you know just
1:02:07letting up do you think we're gonna have
1:02:09a lot of rear-ending well I he was
1:02:11coming up on me really fast like now you
1:02:13I have to use the breaker use the brake
1:02:14like I get paranoid about people coming
1:02:16up on me too fast and it was an older
1:02:18guy too and I'm you know they just
1:02:20slamming imagine stop in time and he
1:02:23pulled into I believe you pulled into
1:02:24whole foods so there you go that is not
1:02:26a surprise at all . and i say that as a
1:02:29fan of high-end cars and a whole foods
1:02:30customer but that is not a surprising
1:02:33yeah so you're not going to nail down
1:02:35what kind of car you would have to say
1:02:36m5 what about you Casey absolutely
1:02:38unequivocally without a shadow of a
1:02:40doubt I would choose the wrong car which
1:02:42is an Aston Martin not really any flavor
1:02:45probably dds that's that's so wrong but
1:02:47i can see the the the value system using
1:02:50the pic that is is at the other extreme
1:02:51from Marco but I'm i think I'm kind of
1:02:53in the middle where you you are you want
1:02:56to own something beautiful yes and that
1:02:59it weighs heavily in your choice of what
1:03:02car you're getting because it's not all
1:03:03if it will help out how the car
1:03:04performed you were not going to consider
1:03:06Mars right right now yeah you get
1:03:08something on a hammond likes i would
1:03:12like the Pagani yeah he always liked the
1:03:14ugly weirdo performance Scott yeah it
1:03:17yeah everybody acting as Martin he wants
1:03:19it's like it's like a piece of art or
1:03:21sculpture it's like it because you want
1:03:23to own a beautiful thing
1:03:24yeah i definitely will say that like the
1:03:26Aston Martin that's one of the only like
1:03:29super high-end cars looked at and and
1:03:31just like wanted just from a like I've
1:03:33wanted in a physical way it's not like i
1:03:36like i wanted to do bad things to the
1:03:37muffler but like you know like you you
1:03:39can look at that you can say that is a
1:03:41beautiful obviously I I totally get that
1:03:43although when I went to go pick up the
1:03:451am it at that
1:03:46specialty dealer they had an estimate on
1:03:48the show floor it was like an exotic car
1:03:50dealer and I got to sit in it and it was
1:03:52the first never been in one and I and I
1:03:54was kind of disappointed I was like you
1:03:55know this is nice and everything but
1:03:58first of all you SAT really low to the
1:03:59ground which I discussed last episode I
1:04:01don't really like and it was just it
1:04:03just sitting in it wasn't that thrilling
1:04:06it wasn't really a car / forward Carl so
1:04:11it has to two strikes against it but
1:04:14yeah it i mean like i said in every way
1:04:16it is completely wrong except that in my
1:04:18personal opinion it is the most
1:04:20beautiful car I've ever seen in my life
1:04:21I mean it's just was stunningly pretty
1:04:23and I although I would you could
1:04:27very legitimately argue that the subaru
1:04:29was not terribly pretty you could argue
1:04:31that the three that the 335i actually
1:04:34think it's pretty but you could argue it
1:04:35isn't i think my 300zx still looks semi
1:04:39modern and nobody will agree with me but
1:04:41i think that that's true collaboration
1:04:43that the big but I is the one that has
1:04:47the big everything because I think
1:04:50everybody's very survival is very
1:04:51encouraging one
1:04:52yeah very curvy I still find it to be
1:04:54beautiful and it had to be honest as a
1:04:56very similar lines to an Aston Martin
1:04:57not what that's a terrible comparison
1:05:00but to my weird I it has some more lines
1:05:02to an Aston Martin and so I think the
1:05:04acid is just an unbelievably just
1:05:06painfully beautiful car in and even
1:05:09though it's not as fast as it probably
1:05:10should or could be it probably will
1:05:12never work properly and I won't say
1:05:15that's because it's British but it
1:05:17nonetheless it's just it i think it
1:05:19would be unbelievably fun I'd love one
1:05:22that's the kind of car like we were
1:05:24before we had the baby we were
1:05:25discussing possibly taking like a
1:05:28driving vacation after California too
1:05:30and we we would rent a a supercar of
1:05:34some kind and and drive along the
1:05:37California coastline on whatever road
1:05:38that is pacific coast highway that
1:05:42yeah and we listen to this and and
1:05:44there's a company after that will rent
1:05:46you asked Martin but only automatic and
1:05:50and that's why end and we eventually we
1:05:51cancel the whole trip because I just
1:05:53wish we could schedule it goes with
1:05:54practicalities in life but that's like I
1:05:58would gladly if I was like going on a
1:06:00trip and going to rent something exotic
1:06:02I i think i would still pick an ass and
1:06:03I would hope if I could get a stick but
1:06:05i would at least probably still pick it
1:06:07anyway or i would get a Ferrari honestly
1:06:09on especially cuz a lot of them you can
1:06:12get a lot of the Old Forest sticks but
1:06:14when you looked into Gotham did we got
1:06:17ya and i was one of the companies and
1:06:19they also got things automatically think
1:06:21right yeah I was unfortunately nobody
1:06:23can drive stick right and he would
1:06:25destroy the clutch of this Ferrari
1:06:27everytime directed it exactly right so
1:06:30John what would you pick i know the
1:06:31answer some sort of the pony but horsey
1:06:36if you will but would it be the ferrari
1:06:38laferrari for specific
1:06:39now some my car my like my fantasy car
1:06:44that I'd I i own it through by proxy
1:06:47through a through force of will is
1:06:49always the and now it has been the
1:06:51middle-of-the-road mid-engine ferrari so
1:06:55it was 348 then it was 355 then it was
1:06:57360 that was the 430 now it's the 458
1:07:00that's my car at as ferrari keeps
1:07:03upgrading at each time they produce a
1:07:05new version i have to decide am I going
1:07:07to continue saying this is my car this
1:07:09line of cars or have they made it too
1:07:11ugly for me or bad in some way so right
1:07:16now would be it would be the 458 that
1:07:18said if I had to choose between the 415
1:07:21laferrari it might be a difficult choice
1:07:23because you just said the laferrari yeah
1:07:26i know that they simply say it because
1:07:29the the like the f50 and the Enzo were
1:07:33just so and even have 40 for that matter
1:07:35were just so objectionable to be
1:07:36smelling whys and the reason i picked
1:07:37for our instead of Lamborghini or any
1:07:39other supercars that may be faster is
1:07:40because i really like Ferrari styling I
1:07:42think that they have they've struck the
1:07:45right balance between something that
1:07:47looks beautiful in something looks
1:07:48functional and something that's a little
1:07:50bit cool looking and I and they're
1:07:52they're starting has been evolving like
1:07:54from that you know from the Testarossa
1:07:55348 with the big you know stripes on the
1:07:57side you know that their evolution they
1:08:00have lost me yet they haven't gone into
1:08:01a bangle phase you know they haven't
1:08:04they haven't really just gone off the
1:08:05rails with the styling and that's really
1:08:08a big part of why I want to listen not
1:08:10just because it's fast and mechanical
1:08:11Marvel but because it's fast and
1:08:13mechanical Marvel and beautiful kind of
1:08:14like that we you know like Apple
1:08:16hardware you again and talk about the
1:08:18mac pro briefly you know i like the idea
1:08:20that something is incredibly powerful
1:08:23and sophisticated and also beautiful
1:08:25inside and out
1:08:26right like the dual g5 is a good example
1:08:28that we're stuck at 500 megahertz
1:08:30forever with incredibly slow front side
1:08:32bus and finally make a machine that's
1:08:34going to break out of it and it was
1:08:35beautiful inside and out that was like
1:08:37the Ferrari of max for a brief moment in
1:08:39time right up so that's why would
1:08:41definitely be 4i probably 458 it
1:08:44realistically speaking of money was an
1:08:46infinite someone gave me laferrari i
1:08:48would sell it get a 458 and like
1:08:50no some sort of sedan and the 458 I mean
1:08:53it is very pretty without without
1:08:55question it is a very very pretty car so
1:08:58i can . to be honest your answer is the
1:08:59right answer but when you have this kind
1:09:02of question and you answer from the
1:09:04harder the gutter the groin or whatever
1:09:06I would still stick in my Aston and i
1:09:09would probably also entirely as not as
1:09:10hard as I said that a some reason like
1:09:15listings for high-end apartments in like
1:09:17a note i want or whatever some some
1:09:18agency where you were there lots of new
1:09:21rich people or maybe with Russia even
1:09:23and they will sell you high-rise
1:09:25apartments where you drive your car and
1:09:27your car goes open an elevator and it
1:09:29comes up to your apartment with you and
1:09:31it's it as a glass wall between the rest
1:09:33of your apartment and the place where
1:09:34your car is so you can look at all the
1:09:36crap that's that is a feature something
1:09:39because what you know half of the reason
1:09:41i will be buying any of these cars is
1:09:42because they're beautiful to look at and
1:09:44I would like literally want to have it
1:09:46not in my house but basically so when I
1:09:48wake up in the morning I could eat
1:09:49breakfast maybe a big glass wall on my
1:09:51to ferrari sitting there that that is a
1:09:54lifestyle improvement as far as I'm
1:09:55concerned every night with although
1:09:57hopefully would come with detailing
1:09:59service also i mean i think it was
1:10:00something right people keep it clean the
1:10:02whole look like that seems that seems
1:10:03silly but that is half the reason I
1:10:05think a lot of people buy these cars
1:10:06because they are because the reason you
1:10:08know Casey's getting the ask them which
1:10:09isn't is not a great car you know
1:10:11because it's beautiful to look at him
1:10:12looking at beautiful things makes you
1:10:13happy
1:10:14yeah although and that's my problem is
1:10:16usually you don't spend a whole lot of
1:10:17time looking at the outside of your own
1:10:19car right and now you have occasion to
1:10:21now truly in my perfect world I wake up
1:10:26one morning I stretch and I look over at
1:10:28aaron i'm extremely excited to wake up
1:10:30next to hers I am every day and then I
1:10:32look past Aaron and there's my Aston
1:10:34just sitting there waiting both ladies
1:10:36and the same bed
1:10:38it's crowded it's crowded but we make it
1:10:41work
1:10:45give me a second i'm going to go get
1:10:47something I'm gonna refill my drink here
1:10:48and then we can do ATP you guys good
1:10:50that's good i'm so what does Marco
1:10:54drinking place your bets
1:10:55haha he's got fizzy water don't kid
1:10:58yourself
1:10:59fizzy water I think so guess what i'm
1:11:02drinking i don't know i don't even know
1:11:06what you prefer are you a coffee person
1:11:07usually so i'm drinking you're supposed
1:11:10to guess I you seem like the type that
1:11:14would enjoy tea but i'm gonna guess i'm
1:11:19gonna guess you're having no with me
1:11:20coffee
1:11:21I'm gonna get some sort of bubbly
1:11:24beverage some sort of soda remarkable
1:11:26know when he comes back
1:11:29yeah yeah I was trying to quit case you
1:11:34know what I was drinking using what do
1:11:35you think marcos drinking so you went
1:11:36off to refill your drink
1:11:38what do you think I said fizzy water he
1:11:41has a beer at night but he's not gonna
1:11:42refill that so I thought it was coffee
1:11:44I got nothing that's that's my guess was
1:11:47here yeah good for you
1:11:49he does his beer tonight just just be
1:11:51one you usually it is just one but i
1:11:54decided to try to tonight one free
1:11:56suncast alright well now I gotta go get
1:11:58some more maker go forward to killing me
1:11:59that and I i asked Casey what do you
1:12:01think i'm drinking yeah I gotta hear
1:12:03their health without a faith that Marcos
1:12:05gonna know what your every answer this
1:12:06run downstairs man i would guess just
1:12:11just knowing you i would guess you're
1:12:13drinking water correct you should not
1:12:15even think about how do not fully
1:12:18regulated touring tap water not bottled
1:12:22water
1:12:23honda civic of drinks haha i drink water
1:12:27all day long that's what I drink I don't
1:12:28have I don't have coffee
1:12:30I don't drink alcohol not for any
1:12:32particular reason I just don't like it
1:12:34at water all day right speaking of let's
1:12:36go get some makers of here enjoy like my
1:12:38exciting thing that I have when I go out
1:12:39to eat as i have soda 1 you know so once
1:12:44every month and a half i have a1
1:12:45extremely watered-down sprite from a
1:12:48restaurant that's really terrible now
1:12:52it's not water is great i recently
1:12:54discovered that you can you can flavor
1:12:56soda stream water using cocktail bitters
1:12:59so you can so now I got nothing you got
1:13:01your infinite supply of those from your
1:13:03experimentation
1:13:04yes so now i have i can make myself lime
1:13:08orange or even grapefruits elser it's
1:13:10quite good
1:13:11ok i just got back murder board a lime
1:13:13is especially the best