0:00:00oops excuse me I have a smorgasbord of
0:00:03brief topics to talk about that sounds
0:00:06delicious
0:00:07it does sound delicious and I have a
0:00:11piece of quasi follow-up if we care to
0:00:14address it and you can cut this but my
0:00:17father actually pointed out after
0:00:18listening to the last episode hey what
0:00:20about a voice recognition as a mean this
0:00:23is after episode for what about voice
0:00:25recognition as a means to control your
0:00:27car and I think he makes an excellent
0:00:29point but the sorry truth of it is in my
0:00:32experience all voice recognition socks
0:00:34and that's pretty much the end of it
0:00:35here's the thing with voice recognition
0:00:36that the theory behind it i think most
0:00:39people's minds is you don't have to use
0:00:41your hands sword and you don't have to
0:00:43use your eyes for it you can just use
0:00:44your voice and is if we assume like you
0:00:48know magical perfect artificial
0:00:49intelligence isn't that better but i
0:00:52find it in practically speaking
0:00:54currently at least in my nerd mind and i
0:00:56think most people's minds too i think
0:00:59trying to speak a command to your car is
0:01:02more distracting than trying to operate
0:01:05a physical control even if you have to
0:01:07look at it because like I feel like
0:01:09peoples visual centers of their brains
0:01:12like shut off because you're thinking
0:01:14about how do I say this in the way that
0:01:15the machine will understand me did you
0:01:17guys experienced that like you're trying
0:01:20to think about a command and speak it to
0:01:23the thing and you realize during the
0:01:24time you've been doing that speaking and
0:01:26thinking about what to say you have not
0:01:27been paying attention to the road
0:01:29absolutely I I probably shouldn't get
0:01:32that publicly but yes I completely great
0:01:34and that and that it's maybe just a
0:01:36transitional point like are so maybe a
0:01:37generation grows up with voice
0:01:39recognition just works that won't be a
0:01:40problem right but for us right now for
0:01:42people who are alive now and grew up
0:01:43when voice recognition didn't work or
0:01:46didn't exist but I find that I find that
0:01:49it is it distracts me more than almost
0:01:52any other alternative possibly could see
0:01:55for me i find that it's not it's not
0:01:57necessarily that I'm distracted by like
0:01:59figuring out the syntax of how to phrase
0:02:01everything although i do i do think
0:02:03about that but it's more that I don't
0:02:05trust what it's doing because usually
0:02:07you know voice recognition for me and
0:02:11actually John you the most experience
0:02:12with because you actually dictate
0:02:13articles and stuff but for me i found
0:02:15that voice recognition it is unreliable
0:02:19so often that i always have to like
0:02:22check its results and and so in a car i
0:02:26have to i would have to like check to
0:02:27see is it you know if I said call tiff
0:02:30is a calling tiff is calling somebody
0:02:31else is calling Jeff like it wasn't
0:02:34calling some other names that sound
0:02:35similar like you know it i always have
0:02:37to like double check its results anyway
0:02:39and so that is distracting that I have
0:02:43to not only see the command but then
0:02:44wait a few seconds for it to recognize
0:02:46it and then i have to like check up on
0:02:47it to see if it's doing the right thing
0:02:49or not for low priority things I think
0:02:51that's better because you can let go of
0:02:53that like if you're doing something like
0:02:55saying the name of a song you want to
0:02:57hear your first of all you're going to
0:02:58get feedback positive they're gonna
0:02:59start playing the song you want or it's
0:03:01not going to play the song you want you
0:03:02don't have to look anywhere explicitly
0:03:03for video record forever it's gonna
0:03:04happen it's and if it goes wrong it is
0:03:07much less of an issue then if you had
0:03:10said something like that turn on left
0:03:11blinker are you know fun making up
0:03:13something is essential to driving that
0:03:15kind of like has to happen has to happen
0:03:17now it has to happen correctly otherwise
0:03:18you know danger consumers energy because
0:03:20the wrong song or even if it calls the
0:03:22wrong person that's going to talk about
0:03:23with the mental thing where like you're
0:03:25anticipating like didn't get that
0:03:27did he get his it's calling the right
0:03:29part and while you're doing that you're
0:03:30not paying attention to driving and I I
0:03:32think like the sort of brainless like
0:03:34brainstem lizard brain kind of reach
0:03:36over and grow up for a dial and flick it
0:03:38or whatever that can happen without
0:03:41disengaging the parts of my psyche that
0:03:44are supposed to be looking for hazards
0:03:46on the road and monitoring my mirrors
0:03:47and doing all the stuff you're supposed
0:03:48to do when you're driving right one also
0:03:50like a lot of those a lot of those
0:03:52things that we do with physical controls
0:03:53now he turn signals like I don't have to
0:03:55think to use my turn signal it just
0:03:56happens it's yeah you know i i've used
0:03:58turn signals before i turn my entire
0:04:01driving life so it just happens
0:04:03automatically now I don't consciously
0:04:05think about it
0:04:06whereas I feel like if you were speaking
0:04:07commands you have to think about every
0:04:08single one
0:04:09you know this is something i'm surprised
0:04:10no one brought up and feedback but I
0:04:12wanted to bring up from the last show is
0:04:14that a lot of like all these like
0:04:16technology problems if you start
0:04:18thinking about it as a way to find the
0:04:20best possible way to do this you'll end
0:04:22up going down different paths and if you
0:04:23are open to the idea that doing this at
0:04:25all it's stupid one
0:04:26those that have surprised you didn't
0:04:27both you didn't bring up is like I can
0:04:29unconsciously adjust the temperature
0:04:33recirculation direction of airflow and
0:04:36fan speed in in my car without thinking
0:04:40about it but you know modern modern
0:04:44nicer cars don't have all those things
0:04:46independent role you just set the
0:04:47temperature you want and it does all the
0:04:48details for you so it's kind of like
0:04:50that what's the best way i can solve a
0:04:51temperature and air speed
0:04:52surely you need to it you know just
0:04:54those independently and the recirculated
0:04:56the defroster and everything like but
0:04:58but you know you don't have to do that
0:04:59if it the car can automatically do that
0:05:01changes to one control for temperature
0:05:03higher temperature lower and that's what
0:05:04I soon both your BMW is having it now
0:05:06this still you can say defroster on or
0:05:08off or whatever but like the number of
0:05:10things you have to worry about
0:05:12we're making adjustments can you know
0:05:14you don't have to find a way to make all
0:05:16the seven controls that are in my cord
0:05:17really easy-to-use you could say you
0:05:19know what six of those controls are
0:05:20stupid and we can just have a
0:05:21temperature Dolly was up-and-down will
0:05:23manage the rest of it for you so that's
0:05:24another way out of this dilemma and then
0:05:27you have the same problem of like like
0:05:29kids not learning how to use how to cut
0:05:32calculations on paper without
0:05:33calculators then it's like it here in
0:05:35your car in your fancy all automated
0:05:37climate control car and you're like
0:05:39alright the windows are all fogged up my
0:05:41feet are cold what do i do yeah you know
0:05:43and like and like how many people don't
0:05:45really know happen how to do that
0:05:47anymore
0:05:47yeah I mean maybe that was a bad example
0:05:48because I guess maybe like maybe you
0:05:51having independent control those things
0:05:53like i enjoy because I i I'm constantly
0:05:56you know the wrong temperature or
0:05:58humidity so I'm always tailoring the
0:05:59exact amount to $MONEY each but you know
0:06:02I'm micromanaging the climate in my car
0:06:04because i don't have automatic climate
0:06:05control so I'm doing it I'm doing
0:06:07micromanager like playing starcraft like
0:06:09with but the thing is I mean that this
0:06:11is silly but it gets back to another
0:06:12point that that happens unconsciously
0:06:14I'm not concentrating on doing it like
0:06:16the controls are gigantic they're always
0:06:18in the same place i do it constantly
0:06:19it's just it's just like fiddling with
0:06:21the pen cap with your fingers you know
0:06:24unconsciously just happens
0:06:26well it's interesting though is you say
0:06:28that you know if you have a temperature
0:06:31control then in theory all the other
0:06:33control should go away but it's not
0:06:35quite that simple and generally speaking
0:06:37you're right i set a temperature in my
0:06:39car
0:06:39and it's that temperature that's all I
0:06:41care about but there are times when I
0:06:43think to myself man i really could use a
0:06:45little more airflow in my face or man at
0:06:47my feet are freezing to death or
0:06:48whatever the case may be and it ends up
0:06:50that i use the controls to to direct the
0:06:53airflow yeah those controls that I
0:06:56theoretically shouldn't have to you but
0:06:58you can also adjust events to like man
0:07:00surest events to aim at different spots
0:07:02on it and what I'm thinking mostly it's
0:07:03like if you don't remember back in the
0:07:04back in the prehistoric times manual
0:07:06controls you will set things to what you
0:07:08think is a comfortable setting but then
0:07:09you'll turn and like you'll be you go
0:07:11off of shady road onto a sunny road and
0:07:14a car with manual controls doesn't
0:07:15change how much cool air is coming out
0:07:18of the vents because suddenly you're in
0:07:20the Sun whereas a car with automatic
0:07:21climate control is gonna realize wow now
0:07:23you're in the Blazing Sun and I noticed
0:07:24that the temperature inside the cabin is
0:07:26rising therefore i will make it cooler
0:07:28it's that type of India it's not it's
0:07:29not perfect but even just that you think
0:07:31it take for granted if you have
0:07:32automatic climate control versus me you
0:07:35know swinging my dolls two wildly
0:07:36different positions based on how much
0:07:37Sun is going to the cabin
0:07:39yeah i hear that i have a the show an
0:07:44overarching showtopic a occurred to me
0:07:46while you guys were talking but before I
0:07:48do that any other follow-up from YouTube
0:07:50no it's good good so I it when Marco you
0:07:55brought up using a signal it occurred to
0:07:58me I've wanted to talk to you guys about
0:07:59car and driving etiquette and that
0:08:02includes us a few different yeah and so
0:08:05we're really gonna lose all our
0:08:06listeners after this one because i have
0:08:08some extremely particular views on this
0:08:10but I have a few different items i'd
0:08:13like to hit in the first of which is
0:08:15turn signals and I'm of the opinion that
0:08:17if you have for functioning limbs and
0:08:19particularly to functioning arms and
0:08:22you're not using a turn signal then and
0:08:24I'm sorry going to believe this but
0:08:26you're so you know in theory only need
0:08:28the left arm and that's true actually so
0:08:31you can go ahead if you have that
0:08:33functional and I think you're covered
0:08:35I agree so are you guys developed in
0:08:37your usage of turn signals or not at all
0:08:40hundred percent always turn signals like
0:08:42burning putting on a seatbelt never
0:08:44don't do it
0:08:45I agree Marco I do it if I'm moving
0:08:49forward
0:08:51i I don't I don't signal when you're
0:08:54going reverse either
0:08:55no I don't know why not just tend to
0:08:58drive forward one of my friends in high
0:08:59school was with such a don't like a very
0:09:03deliberate driver like he could tell he
0:09:06was thinking about every step in his
0:09:07head as he did it and and he would
0:09:11signal it at all occasions including
0:09:13like backing up out of his driveway he
0:09:16would use a turn signal to indicate
0:09:18which direction the butt of the carbons
0:09:19about to go but its opposite from the
0:09:21direction of the front of the cars about
0:09:23to travel in you know generally speaking
0:09:26yes so it's it it's yeah it was that was
0:09:29a little extreme and I used to be one of
0:09:32those people who would like I would do
0:09:34it on the road but I wouldn't do it like
0:09:36in a parking lot and then I realized as
0:09:38I got older like well that's stupid that
0:09:40you actually kinda need it more of a lot
0:09:42of times in in in you know basically if
0:09:45there's somebody behind me in a parking
0:09:47lot i will signal every single move i'm
0:09:48a scene i agree with you in and the
0:09:51funny thing to me is those who do not
0:09:52use signals will often say oh well
0:09:55nobody's around nobody can see my signal
0:09:57wait a second wait a second head to have
0:09:59you met in real life people that don't
0:10:02just like forget to use a single
0:10:04occasion but like come it will come with
0:10:06you and say I know that signals exist
0:10:09but I choose not to use them I've never
0:10:10met such a person I haven't either but
0:10:13usually i will approach those people
0:10:14because i'm a jerk and ask them why they
0:10:17don't drive properly that must go really
0:10:19well it does not
0:10:20that's a good conversation starter hit
0:10:21isn't haha it does not at all but these
0:10:24are usually people who are like friends
0:10:26or whatever that I could that I can get
0:10:27away with these sorts of conversations
0:10:28but the head to me i don't understand
0:10:31why you couldn't use a signal in the
0:10:32excuse of all there's nobody around me
0:10:35anyway
0:10:35well that's kind of the whole point of
0:10:36signal isn't it is to show the person
0:10:38you can't see what you're about to do
0:10:40tonight I don't understand how like
0:10:44that's that's BS though because like I
0:10:45do when nobody's around it's like Marco
0:10:47set its it's one of those things that
0:10:48you just do it and it just happens
0:10:50automatically and it's not as if you are
0:10:52choosing to do it or choosing not to do
0:10:54any more than you're choosing to put one
0:10:56foot in front of the other when you walk
0:10:57just
0:10:57just walking like so when you make a
0:10:59ring when you're making a left like I
0:11:02mean it's like it would be difficult for
0:11:04its service becomes a habit and it's not
0:11:06like it's not like the habit part of
0:11:08your brain knows that you're not being
0:11:09followed or something you either always
0:11:10daughter always don't know i don't
0:11:12believe these people who said i want the
0:11:13only do when no one's around that's
0:11:15that's BS i completely agree we can only
0:11:17do it when no one's around while it's
0:11:19the only neglected her use turn signals
0:11:21when nobody's around because it's it's
0:11:23it's habit almost everything you do and
0:11:24drive right habit and it's just repeated
0:11:26so many times I don't see how you can
0:11:28have two modes like that have you ever
0:11:31met these people who they they won't use
0:11:37a seat belt when they first start
0:11:39driving and then the car will start
0:11:41chiming the seatbelt reminder and then
0:11:43like 10 seconds into the repeated
0:11:46chiming of the car then they'll like
0:11:47side with a seatbelt I have seen every
0:11:49single time I i have seen on seatbelt
0:11:52people not just the what you're
0:11:54describing the people who would need the
0:11:55little alarm to remind them but people
0:11:57who just hookah in in in a modern modern
0:12:01adults in the united states of america
0:12:03who choose not to wear seatbelts and I
0:12:05have witnessed such people in the wild
0:12:07and it's sad and fascinating and I'm not
0:12:11trying not going to draw any analogies
0:12:13about those people about what they
0:12:14remind me of their other things that
0:12:16just don't think it's mine even like
0:12:18smokers no I guess what makes more
0:12:21understand your email to Marco hard
0:12:23no I they know it's going to buzz and
0:12:27remind them and every time it buzzes and
0:12:29remind them they act surprised that this
0:12:32is happening and put out like oh god I
0:12:34have to deal with this now it's like my
0:12:36art of like how are going to PO like how
0:12:38long would it take before you would just
0:12:40adjust your habit to just put it on when
0:12:42you get in there was nothing I don't
0:12:44like that is their ritual like just the
0:12:46same way is like when you're about to
0:12:47make a left turn you you turn on the
0:12:49blinker right well wouldn't that that's
0:12:51just part of the ritual i mean that that
0:12:52doesn't bother me that much I mean
0:12:54they're going to eventually end up
0:12:55getting t-boned in the parking lot of
0:12:56dying because they receivable until the
0:12:59car was underway but you know at least
0:13:02they're they're liking it you know
0:13:04they're not doing intention i'm not
0:13:05saying i know the seatbelt exists but I
0:13:08refuse to put it on for insert crazy
0:13:10reason hair
0:13:11what about vehicles that that seatbelt
0:13:14thing is kind of socially optional like
0:13:16taxis or buses see that's it's not
0:13:20socially optional it's just this of this
0:13:22is weird experience like people get want
0:13:26to be expedient and if they feel that
0:13:28they are it impeding the progress of any
0:13:31other people even just a taxi driver
0:13:33that they they will forgo things that
0:13:37they would otherwise like to do is kind
0:13:38of like you know I'd like a form of
0:13:39mutant form of politeness where you are
0:13:43doing something that you would shoot you
0:13:45would not choose to do this if it
0:13:46weren't for observers or company or
0:13:49people behind you or whatever and that
0:13:51that is also a very very foolish life
0:13:53choice but at least there's some
0:13:55pressure to explain that but is that
0:13:59night I wonder if that's a northeastern
0:14:00thing because one of the things I've
0:14:02noticed after having lived in Virginia
0:14:04for many years is that when I go about
0:14:06my day as somebody who was born and bred
0:14:09in the Northeast my purpose in life
0:14:12figuratively speaking is to not screw up
0:14:14anyone else's world I don't want to make
0:14:16waves in anyone else's world when I'm at
0:14:18the grocery store i want to go i want to
0:14:20get my stuff and I want to get the crap
0:14:21out of there as quickly as possible and
0:14:23in the south
0:14:24it seems like that's a very awkward
0:14:26thing and it's not that people are
0:14:28necessarily intentionally infringing on
0:14:30what a northeastern what northeastern
0:14:32would say is there space but they don't
0:14:35have the same protective nature of being
0:14:39either own thing and not affecting
0:14:41anyone else's world and it doesn't make
0:14:43any sense it's very odd that way that
0:14:46everyone is in a mutual space in the
0:14:48south and everyone can talk to everyone
0:14:50and everyone can be friends with
0:14:52everyone and it's very odd even at ten
0:14:54years into living in virginia i still
0:14:56find it weird when I moved down to
0:14:58Atlanta I think we're the first time up
0:14:59to the grocery store and someone tried
0:15:01to talk to him like what are you doing
0:15:03to try to grocery store I don't know you
0:15:05I came back in the grocery store explain
0:15:07how i felt like i was getting groceries
0:15:08some person started talking to me they
0:15:09didn't that is like was a stranger they
0:15:11didn't you know and it wasn't even like
0:15:13the cashier just some other person
0:15:14getting groceries and like that if
0:15:16you're a new yorker that you know all
0:15:19you know shields up trying to somehow
0:15:21is that a crazy person my about to be
0:15:23mugged the pickpocket picked my pocket
0:15:24right now like a mine candid camera but
0:15:29not in the South people just talk to you
0:15:30and yeah if you're if you're a
0:15:32northeastern a misanthrope south is not
0:15:35for you it's just an odd experience and
0:15:38it's one that I'm still coming to terms
0:15:40with but i mean i-i it it's the only
0:15:43people that I know that don't use their
0:15:45seatbelts until the warning tend to be
0:15:47people of an older generation that that
0:15:50grew up next possibly before seatbelts
0:15:52were mandated and so it's like into one
0:15:55of you just said you know how do you not
0:15:57change your your habits and I don't
0:15:59understand even even older generations
0:16:03how they haven't changed their habits
0:16:04after like 20 years of having to wear
0:16:07seat belts but but maybe they work maybe
0:16:09there were 30 years of building that
0:16:10habit first and and that's a very very
0:16:12very valid all dogs new tricks I mean
0:16:14it's sad
0:16:15it can be overcome like I don't write
0:16:17those people off bike it you know the
0:16:19thing about people with different sort
0:16:21of different driving habits are
0:16:22different ideas about cars or anything
0:16:24like that being there all wrong whatever
0:16:26is it
0:16:27I in general I'd I don't feel like I
0:16:32don't obviously like respect for elders
0:16:35I don't feel like it's my place to try
0:16:36to correct older people because I
0:16:38understand why they're doing it with one
0:16:40exception that exception is my parents
0:16:42will harrangue endlessly about all their
0:16:44failings to comply with modern society
0:16:46so I feel like it's the duty of all
0:16:48children because like you know you can't
0:16:51just yell at random old people they will
0:16:52listen to you but your parents you
0:16:54should be able to bring into the modern
0:16:56world so if my parents said any of these
0:16:59failings and they have had various
0:17:01unrelated but similarly embarrassing
0:17:03failings
0:17:04it's my job is their child to bring them
0:17:06around but other people you guys just
0:17:07look at it as kind of it's like sad like
0:17:10don't feel like don't you have children
0:17:12or grandchildren who love you will
0:17:14convince you to wear seatbelt
0:17:16that's not a guilt tripping all I
0:17:19wouldn't say that but i think that case
0:17:21you would say it is a stranger in the
0:17:23parking lot we just pulled up next to
0:17:24you and only you have about the on
0:17:27stranger but the only thing this is
0:17:28speaking of driving etiquette this is
0:17:30the only thing that I will do to
0:17:32communicate
0:17:33it with other drivers on the road other
0:17:36than like well not the only thing the
0:17:38only thing like confrontational that I
0:17:40would do speaking of casey's trying to
0:17:41sculpt people is when someone doesn't
0:17:43understand the system of alternating
0:17:46when two lines of cars are merging
0:17:48together all Mike I look at them and I
0:17:50give them the universal double hand
0:17:51signal for alternate i'm doing it now
0:17:53but you do it one foot one hand in front
0:17:54of the other one hand in front of the
0:17:55other and i mouthed the words
0:17:56alternating one hand in front of the
0:17:58other doesn't think like maybe they
0:18:01understand the concept they think it's
0:18:03like every man for themselves like this
0:18:05is civilized society we ensure that is
0:18:07why they didn't hear one from one row
0:18:09one from the other roads not a
0:18:11complicated system of this five lines
0:18:12come together is just two streams of
0:18:14cars going into one alternator and you
0:18:16know it doesn't work but it makes you
0:18:17feel better i would love to see that
0:18:18happen sometime just you you all the
0:18:21time and that's fantastic
0:18:22eventually someone would take out a gun
0:18:24shoot me so I thought generally why
0:18:25don't do complicated haven't yet shot
0:18:27case you are insulting their driving
0:18:29skills very much so it actually to that
0:18:31end
0:18:31apparently this is the purpose of this
0:18:33episode is to get myself thrown out of
0:18:35the south one of the things that bring
0:18:37in Virginia really the south
0:18:38it's really yeah well okay now we're
0:18:41getting into a whole nother discussion i
0:18:43would say anything south of Richmond is
0:18:45the South even though and just like the
0:18:46other set of upstate New York anything
0:18:49south of Manhattan is the south
0:18:50what is the the funny thing is fine
0:18:54staten island
0:18:55Wow richmond actually was the capital of
0:18:58the Confederacy but it's interesting
0:19:00because you have you know you have all
0:19:03the Northeast proper that everyone
0:19:05agrees is the northeast and I'm counting
0:19:07pennsylvanian that you have maryland
0:19:09which is closer to the northeast and not
0:19:11then you have DC which is just a total
0:19:13cluster and that to me is pure northeast
0:19:16then after DC you kind of have this
0:19:19fading into this middle of the road
0:19:21which is central Virginia including
0:19:22richmond in Charlottesville and places
0:19:24like that but as soon as you get south
0:19:26of Richmond you are in the South for
0:19:28real there is no debate and and in an
0:19:31effort to get myself thrown out of the
0:19:32south to go back a step one of the
0:19:34things that Virginia really likes we've
0:19:36lanes so a entry an entrance to a
0:19:39different highway or perhaps and just a
0:19:42road off of a highway or interstate as
0:19:45they call them here
0:19:46an entrance into another interstate or
0:19:48another Road whatever the case my baby
0:19:49is in the same Lane as the exit off of
0:19:53from from there you do something about
0:19:55the tramps I believe also maybe whatever
0:19:57the places like the shape of its like a
0:19:59circle touching online-based sure yeah
0:20:02exactly and Virginia loves those and
0:20:05alternate feed does not exist here and
0:20:09it drives me bonkers and i agree with
0:20:12you John it's terrible and i just want
0:20:14to pull everyone over and lecture them
0:20:16on how they should appropriately drive
0:20:18me singing high speeds like you're gonna
0:20:20end up with a couple of punching in like
0:20:22I'm talking about mostly like low-speed
0:20:24where it's clear the only thing stopping
0:20:25you from alternating is your own
0:20:27stupidity like visit high speeds gonna
0:20:28pick on with two cars in one car
0:20:30whatever that comes down to like driving
0:20:32skill and we all know the people who
0:20:33come onto the entrance ramp for the
0:20:35highway and don't understand how to
0:20:36merge into a fast-moving trafficking and
0:20:38I'm coming into complete stop on the
0:20:40ramp and just chaos ensues and it's like
0:20:42you're doing it wrong I mean that that's
0:20:44you know that's always a problem
0:20:46actually had speaking speaking of that
0:20:49in the etiquette of like say a lane is
0:20:51closing
0:20:52I like this construction up ahead you
0:20:54see the big giant blinking arrow you
0:20:55know everybody using your current lanes
0:20:57gonna have to merge over to the left
0:20:59I recall seeing on the interweb
0:21:02somewhere that the optimal strategy for
0:21:04traffic flows actually to stay in your
0:21:07lane as long as possible which is the
0:21:09douche bag move in most people's book
0:21:11like that guy had all this time to merge
0:21:13and he didn't merge you wait until he
0:21:14got up to the cones and now we ask the
0:21:16merge and I'm not letting them in right
0:21:17now I don't have people maybe I'm
0:21:19misremembering especially if they were
0:21:20in my lane and then they got out of the
0:21:22lane to go ended up here on and try to
0:21:24get back and I will not have no matter
0:21:25what I will stay bumper-to-bumper the
0:21:27car in front of me are you and what do
0:21:28you remember that uh that article on the
0:21:31internet is remembering it now i read
0:21:32that actually from from a traffic flow
0:21:34perspective that the best move is to
0:21:37stay ever the people who are in that
0:21:39second lands being merge they should
0:21:40stay online for as long as possible and
0:21:41emerging at the very last second the
0:21:43people in the other Lane should let them
0:21:45in an alternating pattern brain if you
0:21:47think about it i guess it makes sense
0:21:48because then it that effectively reduces
0:21:52the amount of distance that is only one
0:21:54lane
0:21:54yeah I don't think that's the theory has
0:21:57more to do with floor something or we
0:21:59could all be completely honest
0:22:00remembering it so i guess maybe we'll do
0:22:01that do i do remember that was an
0:22:02explanation i think it was somebody in
0:22:04Pennsylvania who did it
0:22:05which exit having having lived in
0:22:07Pennsylvania for for a while I remember
0:22:09thinking well they don't know what
0:22:10you're talking about because I mean
0:22:12traffic is terrible
0:22:13obviously whoever's running that this .
0:22:16it was not great so just the simpler
0:22:19etiquette thing that I think everybody
0:22:21can agree on less controversial is when
0:22:23somebody lets you when you do that you
0:22:24show the palm of your hand
0:22:26absolutely right i mean it's so easy to
0:22:28do you don't even have to make eye
0:22:29contact with him but if someone does not
0:22:31show you the palm of their hand now
0:22:32they're just now they're dead to you now
0:22:35see that the problem well the palm of
0:22:38the hand has been ruined because people
0:22:41the people who cut you off but all of
0:22:44you who didn't you didn't let him in and
0:22:47they wave at you as like a oops excuse
0:22:49me I think I still think that lessens my
0:22:52anger towards them like even though they
0:22:54did a jerk move or whatever may be there
0:22:56in a hurry go get anything nice like at
0:22:59least they put up the hand gentlemen
0:23:02wave first as if to stop you and then
0:23:04turn into your land cut you off i know
0:23:06but that's better than the alternative
0:23:07is this little area here nobody did
0:23:09the alternative is they cut you off and
0:23:11while cutting you off the honk at you
0:23:12like you were doing something wrong then
0:23:14you just want to kill them right
0:23:15I much rather have someone stick their
0:23:17hand up and go like even as they're
0:23:20cutting me off I I it doesn't mean that
0:23:22I'd don't know that I appreciate them
0:23:24cutting me off but it's like all right
0:23:25they made they made that the smallest
0:23:27human effort possible to make up for
0:23:29what they would at least they they
0:23:30acknowledge that what they were doing
0:23:31was a jerk right right now there's an
0:23:33arrangement
0:23:34well there's a eight if you accidentally
0:23:36are a jerk to somebody then I think
0:23:38that's warranted if you but like so
0:23:39obviously like if somebody somebody cut
0:23:41you off and gives you like the sorry I
0:23:44don't know what I'm doing wave that to
0:23:45me is like using your blinkers to
0:23:48double-park when you don't really need
0:23:49to
0:23:50it's like like if you double park in
0:23:52front of somewhere and block a whole
0:23:53bunch of traffic just because you don't
0:23:54want to pull around back to the park not
0:23:56the same that because the person is
0:23:57slightly cut you off maybe they just
0:23:59didn't see you
0:23:59maybe you were in there blind spot no no
0:24:01they didn't want to wait
0:24:04well here's the other thing that you
0:24:05know you're you know this move but look
0:24:07at the hand here's the thing about the
0:24:08hand up the hand up going
0:24:10you know thanks for letting me in or
0:24:13sorry about that whatever
0:24:14here's where the hand up goes bad like I
0:24:16again if we should have a video podcast
0:24:18right putting the hand up we all know
0:24:19how to put the hand up and show the
0:24:20person the palm right as you extend your
0:24:23arm suddenly that changes into stopped
0:24:27because I am coming and that but nobody
0:24:30wants to see that palm you know the
0:24:31personal leave her out of their hands
0:24:32the amateurs there are about as if they
0:24:34are you as if they are telling you you
0:24:36must now stopped because i'm going to
0:24:38cut you off my Escalade and it's always
0:24:39a giant SUV or something or sand and
0:24:42that that is no good because now they
0:24:44are commanding you i am the police
0:24:46officer of the square foot of road here
0:24:48and I'm telling you to stop anything
0:24:50anyways it's just the arm know that it's
0:24:54like we're on a continuing here you know
0:24:56like theirs theirs Thank You way for
0:24:58four you know it truly you know you let
0:25:00me do that okay and then and then
0:25:02there's the people who I hate who are
0:25:04almost to what you're going to see what
0:25:05you're describing here it's like people
0:25:07who is kind of shove their way in and
0:25:09then give the Thank You way but you
0:25:10didn't let them in and that's that's
0:25:11that's a move and then there's a people
0:25:13who play traffic cop with their hand and
0:25:16just kind of demand their own way in and
0:25:18the house will give you the fact you get
0:25:20which courses I mean it seems like
0:25:22that's why it's infuriating to me like
0:25:23whether whether or not they did the the
0:25:27can move out the window if they take a
0:25:31spot that you didn't give them and then
0:25:33they give you thank you wave regardless
0:25:35with the use their hand to take the spot
0:25:37I think it's a move
0:25:38well say I think mark are you still have
0:25:39you you have the same problem as a wife
0:25:41is your vindictive driver because like
0:25:42that guy who went to the edge of the
0:25:43cones and now wants to be let in
0:25:45yeah well i will i will let him in my
0:25:47wife while you hold a grudge forever you
0:25:49know why I let him in for the good of
0:25:51all the other drivers because I'm maybe
0:25:53i'll give him like a scolding with my
0:25:55eyes as I let him in
0:25:56but you know I don't know why he was
0:25:58there maybe he wasn't paying attention
0:25:59maybe skip screaming in the back of the
0:26:01car
0:26:02maybe he was preoccupied because his
0:26:03mother just died i don't know i'm
0:26:05willing to believe you know in humanity
0:26:07and like the thing is leaving him
0:26:08stranded there is just going to result
0:26:09in him and lurching his car at the other
0:26:13people are honking and everyone being
0:26:14said i don't i'll let him in
0:26:16people have my behind you who cares i
0:26:18said my my wife yet see my wife doesn't
0:26:21like my wife wants to get revenge on a
0:26:22man i just want to like
0:26:23Live and Let 11 and like to do that and
0:26:25speaking of the car lurching I feel like
0:26:26cars have body language and the worst
0:26:29possible body language of cars the lurch
0:26:30and again i'm picturing a big SUV no no
0:26:33groom room in the car lurches forward
0:26:35and it's like it doesn't have you know
0:26:37everytime it lurches the front of the
0:26:39car lifts up and goes forward . you know
0:26:40it's like steering like a seesaw on
0:26:42their lurching that is the worst
0:26:43possible by language that's like hey man
0:26:45I'm a big jerk and you know I you can
0:26:49look at a car without seeing who's
0:26:50behind it driving just seeing how the
0:26:51car the body of the car is moving house
0:26:53accelerating accelerating and kind of
0:26:55peg what kind of driver that is whether
0:26:57you should stay far far away from that's
0:26:59very true
0:27:00so speaking of the wave and the
0:27:03stop-motion I have two questions related
0:27:06to to hand gestures 1ru to a fan of the
0:27:10of the middle finger or not so much i
0:27:13don't use that i will not have her by my
0:27:16value judge my goodness value just my
0:27:19risk-reward ratio calculation on that is
0:27:22exactly the reward is it makes me feel a
0:27:24little bit late a better and the risk as
0:27:26i get shot and killed and I grand if I
0:27:28at how would I explain you know it i I'm
0:27:31on my deathbed in the hospital after
0:27:33being shot in the head and I have to
0:27:34explain to my child well I could have
0:27:37not been shot but it but I really wanted
0:27:39to give this guy the finger like it's a
0:27:40plan
0:27:41lots of berries and lurching the car was
0:27:43lurching honey you don't understand yeah
0:27:45I had I had to give the finger where you
0:27:47could have just let them in and
0:27:48continued on with your day and gone home
0:27:50and been fine so terrible risk-reward
0:27:53trade and how much more passive
0:27:55aggressive like I to use that like I to
0:27:58me i will like i'll be a dick in the
0:28:01center like you know I'll not let
0:28:02somebody in who was trying to ride the
0:28:04easy lane but i won't look at them like
0:28:07i'll just keep forward as if I don't see
0:28:10them as if I just accidentally won't let
0:28:12them in their able to i will not make
0:28:14eye contact i will just keep looking
0:28:16forward because again like I you know
0:28:18you don't know people are crazy but I
0:28:21feel like they might plausibly deniable
0:28:23e not seeing them in their eyes if I
0:28:25don't look over i think you should be a
0:28:26nicer driver mark especially in driving
0:28:28a BMW is your you gotyou gotta you're
0:28:31coming in with like you know points
0:28:32against the people who are coming
0:28:34offering BMWs everyone's heart
0:28:36no you're violent because well there's
0:28:39that so the the additional question i
0:28:41have or maybe it's more of an
0:28:42observation of the question regarding
0:28:44gestures is my little brother so I'm the
0:28:46oldest of three and my youngest brother
0:28:49is eight years younger than me which
0:28:51makes him what I see now that 2040 yeah
0:28:54exactly so the my youngest brother said
0:28:57to me several years ago actually you
0:28:59know here's the thing Casey if you
0:29:01really want to piss somebody off on the
0:29:03road
0:29:04don't give them the middle finger
0:29:05because the middle finger is man you've
0:29:07made me angry and that's almost
0:29:08rewarding them what you need to do is
0:29:11tell them that you disapprove of the way
0:29:13they drive so here's what you do Casey
0:29:15says my little brother you give them a
0:29:17thumbs down and that that is even
0:29:20warriors it and I haven't yet
0:29:23successfully tried this because usually
0:29:24when I'm when I'm going to give a hand
0:29:26gesture I'm so fired up that it's gonna
0:29:28end up being the finger but I feel like
0:29:30in intellectually and conceptually he
0:29:32has a point that a thumbs-down is not
0:29:35screw you and I hate you it's your
0:29:37driving is subpar and maybe give it like
0:29:40a preschool teacher frowned to yeah
0:29:42exactly and a shake of the head em know
0:29:45the kind of the the the equivalent of
0:29:48that I come across as when i see you
0:29:50know we always Marco definitely you get
0:29:52like tweets are people that are that are
0:29:54just terrible like a man that area or if
0:29:56you like follow you know Mike FTW on
0:30:00twitter you see the people who are
0:30:01applying to him and he gets into all
0:30:02these fights and the crazy people come
0:30:03out right and they say crazy things to
0:30:05it to you and the thing i want to say
0:30:08back to them sort of like you know what
0:30:09you want to do with the drivers has
0:30:10shifted as I become an old man from
0:30:13wanting to give them the finger or the
0:30:15equivalent of the finger whatever to me
0:30:18wanting to just like it is a single
0:30:20phrase that comes to my mind it would be
0:30:22like this is what you would say to each
0:30:24one of these people when you're done
0:30:26with the conversation you would say
0:30:27you're a terrible person has been at the
0:30:30end of the conversation and it applies
0:30:32in so many like it's just II like
0:30:35they've said something like with you
0:30:36know racist sexist or just like being a
0:30:39jerk to a child or like I mean it
0:30:40doesn't come down to like that driving
0:30:42because so many reasons yeah I'm much
0:30:43going to put we're giving bedroom but
0:30:45it's like that that's it just the
0:30:47thumbs-down is like you know maybe maybe
0:30:50not
0:30:50you're a terrible person because you
0:30:51can't really look into the heart but you
0:30:53could say at what you just did is a
0:30:56terrible way to drive that don't do that
0:30:59anymore
0:30:59thumbs down I don't know the thumbs-down
0:31:01gives the same thing as you can tell you
0:31:04are a terrible driver because maybe
0:31:06they're excellent drivers having a bad
0:31:07day but what they just did was like
0:31:09unacceptable
0:31:10well the problem with that though and i
0:31:12guess and this one of the reasons why i
0:31:14don't really find the need to like get
0:31:15angry at people on the road very often
0:31:17is just that I think most of the bad
0:31:19driving IC appears to not be out of out
0:31:22of malice is just and competence
0:31:25yeah that's just that's the best part by
0:31:26far the most common and that's why I'm
0:31:28very willing to forgive on those things
0:31:30I mean I still feel like someone should
0:31:31teach the people who are doing that how
0:31:33to drive but everybody has like a moment
0:31:35of inattention our off day or something
0:31:36but the problem is they won't like if
0:31:38you if you show them your little
0:31:39alternating hand instructions they won't
0:31:41see it and if they do see it they won't
0:31:43know what you're talking about that's as
0:31:44close as I get to the finger I do that
0:31:45when I know someone is intentionally not
0:31:47letting us in a had to have to explain
0:31:48like you know i just--that's it that one
0:31:50word I hope they understand alternative
0:31:52see my hands going so I'm trying to
0:31:53express them how civilization works and
0:31:55what they're seeing is I'm a terrible
0:31:57person
0:31:58I don't know if they're seeing that I
0:31:59think I mean I hope they'll feel guilty
0:32:02i I don't know what I'm expecting like
0:32:04this as close as I get to I used to get
0:32:06so mad that I want to stop my car and
0:32:07get out and I realized this is how you
0:32:09get shot
0:32:09I get your baby out of life have so much
0:32:11in something crazy and I would be like I
0:32:13just want to go up to them you know
0:32:14stopped my car get out of the car not
0:32:16gonna go and say do you understand that
0:32:18uh when there's a stop sign the person
0:32:21is going straight has the right-of-way
0:32:22over the guy was turning left if they
0:32:23both arrived at the same time but that
0:32:26that I never do that because i will get
0:32:27shot or beat to death traps up I i want
0:32:32to resist that instinct that's probably
0:32:34wise that is back again you get out of
0:32:36your car no matter what the situation if
0:32:38you got your car you've lost the art
0:32:40yeah but like I mean I'm getting my car
0:32:41calmly I'm not here to fight you I'm
0:32:43just want to explain to you the error of
0:32:45your ways perhaps you don't know this
0:32:47but could you know pressure forming like
0:32:49you know throw a tantrum flashing red
0:32:51light is like a stop sign yet one of the
0:32:53get one of those little like neon light
0:32:55scrollers and like a dot-matrix us is I
0:32:58and mounted in your rear window
0:33:00I'm and program in some messages and put
0:33:02some buttons up on your dash and so you
0:33:03so you can explain to people who are
0:33:05behind you you know things like your
0:33:07turn signal has been on for an hour or
0:33:10so you started off
0:33:12yes I don't I don't think you're gonna
0:33:13merge left anymore i think you're at
0:33:15you're done Ella straight how much of a
0:33:17jerk I am i actually bought one of those
0:33:19from target years ago this is long
0:33:21before I had the BMW and was devastated
0:33:24to find out in that you could only
0:33:27program in like one or two messages and
0:33:29so you would have to like drive four
0:33:31hours on the prayer that somebody would
0:33:33tailgate you so then you could use the
0:33:35message you programmed in at home saying
0:33:36get off my butt oh that's just the one
0:33:39you just brought up tailgating that is a
0:33:41time I big my big current one when
0:33:43someone is tailgating you when you're a
0:33:45knot in the left lane and be in front of
0:33:47your 7 bunched up cars because city the
0:33:50guy way in the front is going 50 miles
0:33:52an hour and what I want to communicate
0:33:53to the person behind me is tailgating me
0:33:56won't change anything there's nothing I
0:33:59can do to help you except your crazed
0:34:02mind tailgate the person in front of me
0:34:03which is just creating more dangerous
0:34:04situation
0:34:05yeah I know you can see the guy up there
0:34:07for cars ahead he's the problem
0:34:09you tailgating me does not like
0:34:11transitively make them like that's what
0:34:14I want to communicate in an assignment
0:34:15and I've had that same exact fantasy
0:34:16Casey of having the big sign go up try
0:34:18to explain just I feel like if we had
0:34:20stopped at a stoplight I could explain
0:34:21the guy you don't realize that till
0:34:23tailgating me doesn't help you can't
0:34:25possibly help all i can do is make
0:34:28things more dangerous and worse and not
0:34:32thats I just get out of line
0:34:33I wonder money sometimes it does help
0:34:36maybe by tailgating the middle person
0:34:38often enough it will anger or or stress
0:34:43them out so much that they believed
0:34:44until get the person in front of them
0:34:45who will then realize people are too
0:34:47close behind them and move over like do
0:34:48you think that ever had it probably
0:34:49happens again UB that's the intention
0:34:51that they want to happen is the cars to
0:34:52peel off in front of them or to tailgate
0:34:54people in front of them but all those
0:34:56are dangerous things to be happening
0:34:57because i mean it from Toledo started
0:34:59making a dangerous situation you just
0:35:00multiply it like using those multi car
0:35:02wrecks 47 car and i'm sure that's how
0:35:04this happened you know a series of
0:35:06people who are like peer pressured into
0:35:07driving more dangerous and that's never
0:35:09going to happen but not gonna make me
0:35:10tell get the guy in front of me
0:35:11by tailgating me that will never happen
0:35:13but I like it's like email spam or
0:35:14telemarketing like I bet it works have
0:35:16another time
0:35:17ya like it you know if it'd probably
0:35:20people who tailgate most likely do it
0:35:22all the time like probably almost every
0:35:25time they drive anywhere that
0:35:26everything's gonna be alright so so I
0:35:28would imagine it probably works you know
0:35:30if it works once at once every two weeks
0:35:32where there tailgating results in the
0:35:34person i had moving over or if they can
0:35:37start tailgating and the person head
0:35:38moves over within 10 seconds anyway just
0:35:41because they were going to anyway and
0:35:42then they think that then in their head
0:35:44that affirms they think it worked
0:35:45because of what they did then you know
0:35:48if it works often enough then that will
0:35:52reinforce that behavior and I'll keep
0:35:53doing it
0:35:54that's probably true they don't know
0:35:55what I find tailgating acceptable is if
0:35:57you're on a single-lane Road that's not
0:35:59going to be multi-lane for many many
0:36:00miles and the person in front of you is
0:36:02just not getting it that they are
0:36:04driving like you know Winnebago it's
0:36:06good 20 miles an hour under the limit
0:36:07and you wouldn't want to live with you
0:36:09just really love to pass and I want
0:36:10maybe not a Winnebago but like and the
0:36:12final criteria that must be satisfied as
0:36:14you must have better brakes and the car
0:36:15in front of you promised my mom and I
0:36:17see people like right people like
0:36:18someone's tailgating a miata with like
0:36:20an SUV it's like you can't stop this and
0:36:23that miata if you guys both stand up
0:36:25slam on the brakes right now at exactly
0:36:26the same moment as hard as you can you
0:36:28will reread that car like this help you
0:36:30can't stop as fast that's never gonna
0:36:32happen
0:36:32well but again they're not really
0:36:33thinking you know somebody's tailgating
0:36:34is not thinking about like to also what
0:36:36they constantly be getting into
0:36:37accidents you know just like a squirrel
0:36:39is gonna run across the road like the
0:36:41reaction time alone like they won't even
0:36:43they won't even have put their foot to
0:36:44the brake pedal until it before the back
0:36:46of the car is embedded in the back of
0:36:48that you know 2300 pound me out or
0:36:50whatever it is I mean honestly it kind
0:36:52of branching off on that a little bit i
0:36:54think it is remarkable how few accidents
0:36:57happen given how many people are in cars
0:37:01every day I mean this is generally much
0:37:03thing from hypercritical Maria exactly
0:37:05and you know certainly car accidents are
0:37:07still major problem and will probably
0:37:08always be a major problem but relative
0:37:11to the number of cars on the road and
0:37:13and you know number of miles driven and
0:37:15how close everyone is all the time it
0:37:18really is remarkable how few accidents
0:37:20there are no that's particularly true in
0:37:23America which I think we touched on this
0:37:24previously
0:37:25in America driving is largely considered
0:37:27to be a right not a privilege as opposed
0:37:29to my understanding of say European
0:37:31countries where they go through a
0:37:33serious amount of driver training in
0:37:35order to make sure that they are capable
0:37:36of being a respectful and in legitimate
0:37:38driver in America if you're 16 to 17
0:37:42years old and have I don't know two
0:37:44functioning limbs its kind of assume
0:37:46that you're going to be able to drive so
0:37:47I completely agree with you it's amazing
0:37:49that all of us idiots don't bump into
0:37:51each other on a regular basis mr. Europe
0:37:53example is undercut by all the people
0:37:55who sent me feedback when I talked about
0:37:57on my own podcast about you
0:37:58it's amazing the cards don't touch each
0:38:00other they said well in Europe cars to
0:38:01touch each other because parking and
0:38:02sometimes people are constantly bumping
0:38:03into each other and shoving playing
0:38:05bumper cars which just does not stand in
0:38:07the united states like that is not not a
0:38:09valid acceptable way to to park your
0:38:11cars to press push the other cars out of
0:38:14the way with your car
0:38:15that's not true in park slope well you
0:38:17know if no one's watching everything's
0:38:19fair game like if you're in the middle
0:38:21you know if you're if you're the middle
0:38:22of the city or something but the thing
0:38:23is like if the if the owner of the car
0:38:25you're pushing is there they're going to
0:38:26run already reality they're not going to
0:38:28say up that's just how you put my dad's
0:38:29true i mean like in Brooklyn know it's
0:38:32it isn't quite as bad as how it sounds
0:38:34like it might be as I believe you were
0:38:36describing in Paris they said it was
0:38:37really bad right now it isn't that bad
0:38:40in Brooklyn but it is routine in
0:38:43brooklyn for cars to be touching the
0:38:45ones in front of them and to bump him
0:38:46quite a lot of the way in and out and
0:38:48that's why everyone everybody drives
0:38:50around with those bumper bully things
0:38:52have you seen those oh yeah it looks
0:38:54like a floor mat sticking out of your
0:38:55trunk just like sitting there like
0:38:57dangling and with the rubber mat it
0:38:59looks so incredibly ugly but if you park
0:39:02your car in Brooklyn more than 0 times a
0:39:05year you probably have one of those you
0:39:07probably need one of those
0:39:08that's a car dingleberry yeah yeah it's
0:39:11like those truck nuts but functional
0:39:13haha that's true and actually 22 kind of
0:39:18Q off of what you guys are talking about
0:39:19earlier with tailgating one of and I
0:39:21think John you'd said this briefly
0:39:22earlier one of the things that drives me
0:39:24nuts about Virginians is that they
0:39:26believe that on a two-lane interstate or
0:39:28two lanes each direction interstate that
0:39:30either lane is perfectly acceptable for
0:39:32travel and they don't understand despite
0:39:35i should add the fact that there are
0:39:37signs on all
0:39:38most every interstate in this in the
0:39:40state of Virginia that's a slower
0:39:42vehicles keep right they don't
0:39:44understand that if you're in the left
0:39:45lane you better either be flying or
0:39:47moving to the right lane and it drives
0:39:49me is everywhere well the problem is
0:39:51that like it's we don't have the
0:39:53autobahn here where we're like we do
0:39:55have speed limits and so there's the
0:39:58problem of the left lane on American
0:39:59roads is there are people who are going
0:40:0175 80 when the limit is like 7065 and
0:40:04then there are the people doing a
0:40:05hundred twenty and the people doing a
0:40:06hundred twenty get bent out of shape
0:40:08when they almost rear-ended someone
0:40:09going 75 and as far as I'm concerned
0:40:11going 75 up a hill on the left lane of a
0:40:14two-lane road with all the trucks in the
0:40:16right lane is a perfectly valid way to
0:40:17drive but it's made incredibly dangerous
0:40:19by sports cars going 220 it's like look
0:40:21I'm you know I'm in the happens to me
0:40:24all the time because i don't have cars
0:40:25to go that fast like that
0:40:2675 going up this hill is an acceptable
0:40:28use of of the passing lane when the
0:40:30trucks are chugging away in 15 of the
0:40:32length i don't want to be almost killed
0:40:33by you and your 911 go on 120 miles an
0:40:36hour sorry 911 drivers but that's what
0:40:37it always seems to almost
0:40:38grammy-nominated like a valid the
0:40:41autobahn is different where it's like
0:40:42okay look this this road has no speed
0:40:44limit for certain sections people are
0:40:46going to be going a bazillion miles an
0:40:47hour you BTW i would not go in the left
0:40:49lane of the autobahn is 7500 just take
0:40:51my lumps and be behind the truck 50 or
0:40:53something until we get over the hill
0:40:54right let me know in the UN a pretty
0:40:56much anywhere you have a posted speed
0:40:57limit i would say that the that it is
0:41:01okay to use the left lane as long as you
0:41:03are going faster than the people in the
0:41:04right lane like 10 and if if you got a
0:41:07big pile up behind like you know let's
0:41:09say you want to cruise at 80 and and so
0:41:12you're gonna kind of hang out in the
0:41:13left lane as often as you can because if
0:41:14you want to cruise 80 in the US on
0:41:16Interstate you pretty much have to be in
0:41:17the left line but somebody's gonna come
0:41:19up behind you eventually want to cruise
0:41:21at 90 and so you know you want to come
0:41:24over tonight for a minute you let him by
0:41:25then you get back in the left lane i got
0:41:27i think that's fine but I think they're
0:41:28having to temporarily slow down for a
0:41:30second before you notice they want to go
0:41:31faster the new that's just well that's
0:41:34just the cost of them having to go eight
0:41:36having to go 90 the 90 people are fine
0:41:38it's the 120 that kill you the 120 is
0:41:40I'm winding road because they have an
0:41:41amazing sports car like they're almost
0:41:43killing you because they come around the
0:41:44bend and they're just like they have to
0:41:46slam on the brakes and their smoke and
0:41:48there's honking and it's like look I'm
0:41:49not the one who was driving dangerously
0:41:51are you
0:41:51your car can handle it but you have to
0:41:52realize that the rest of the cars don't
0:41:55go that fast and you you know you have
0:41:58to be willing to deal with the situation
0:42:00just occurred and by the way I would
0:42:02like it if you didn't not pay attention
0:42:03and killed my entire family with your
0:42:05car rear intermittent visit my god
0:42:07interest that you see them coming i get
0:42:09out of the way you know you see the
0:42:10little glint coming off whatever you
0:42:12know sports cars coming up behind you
0:42:15easy to get out of the way they fly by
0:42:16you go back in you know that's not a
0:42:18problem but in Virginia the problem is
0:42:20is that i agree with what you guys just
0:42:22said which is as long as you're going
0:42:24faster than the person to your right
0:42:25then you are permitted to be in the left
0:42:29lane
0:42:29additionally if you see somebody coming
0:42:31up behind you it is your responsibility
0:42:33as a good conscience driver to get right
0:42:35as quickly as you possibly can
0:42:37the problem with Virginia's is they'll
0:42:39just drive in the left lane and people
0:42:41will pile up behind them and they will
0:42:43have no clue as they're reading the sign
0:42:45saying sort of equals keep right they
0:42:47will have no clue that its proper
0:42:49etiquette to get right and that's what
0:42:51drives me all right because they're
0:42:52because they're not paying attention
0:42:53minutes that's the the root of most
0:42:55incompetent driving is just kind of like
0:42:58in just daydreaming just not not being
0:42:59attempted to it and that's a great again
0:43:01later they're they're not they're not
0:43:04trying to be malicious they're just
0:43:05they're just bad drivers because they
0:43:07don't pay attention to everything that a
0:43:09YouTube video of the people who did this
0:43:10i think it was on the road near Atlanta
0:43:12because it looks familiar to me and I
0:43:14had the right the roads around Atlanta
0:43:16have like 900 lanes in them in a single
0:43:19direction and so a guy and a bunch of
0:43:21his friends built like a little a wall
0:43:24by having all their their friends run
0:43:26their cars like-- way under the speed
0:43:28limit across the entire humongous
0:43:30multi-lane road and and do it like and
0:43:33then had their other friends on over
0:43:34fast filming it and like the amount of I
0:43:36mean that presumably incredibly angry
0:43:38cars stacked up behind the rolled down
0:43:41the road like and I think they were
0:43:43probably maybe even doing this field
0:43:44because people drive around those of
0:43:45those roads around Atlanta like 80 90
0:43:47miles an hour and the roads like rate of
0:43:4955 so it's a little bit crazy but yeah
0:43:51if you the people who form a wall
0:43:53whether it's two lanes 3 lanes 4 lines
0:43:55five lanes like you you look at it and
0:43:57like you'll see you there will be a
0:43:58downhill and you'll get an overview of
0:43:59the road and you realize they have
0:44:01clogged this entire road with their with
0:44:03and it's like how can they not notice
0:44:04that they look in the rearview mirror to
0:44:06DC like in front of you
0:44:07wide-open asphalt behind you cars
0:44:10stacked up like a parking lot
0:44:11move out of the way make one whole night
0:44:13as soon as one guy will get a clue and
0:44:15then the rest of traffic will squirt
0:44:16through whatever lane open up like to me
0:44:19it's like if I'm if I'm in the left lane
0:44:21and somebody is immediately next to me
0:44:24the right lane and we're keeping pace
0:44:25that's like in my head that's like
0:44:27that's an unstable condition that i have
0:44:28to fix yes you know it looks like i feel
0:44:31that again it and it isn't even always
0:44:33conscious i just i feel that you know
0:44:35this is wrong and I and we have to we
0:44:37have to resolve this conflict either i
0:44:39have to pull ahead and go faster for a
0:44:41minute or two hang back and get behind
0:44:42this person and and and what I'm on the
0:44:45highway doing long drives i'm almost
0:44:46always using cruise control and so it
0:44:50annoys me greatly when the person who is
0:44:53like trying who's like kind of keeping
0:44:54pace with me on you know accidentally or
0:44:56not it's clearly not using cruise
0:44:58control and therefore they're speaking
0:44:59is fluctuating up and to happen like
0:45:02just pick pick a speed and i will get
0:45:03behind you or in front of you just pick
0:45:05something to avoid this this conflict
0:45:08that I have to resolve of you know we're
0:45:10blocking traffic or I can't get past you
0:45:12but I don't want to go too slow or too
0:45:13fast like some you know just pick a
0:45:15speed so i can do this i have a
0:45:17fascination with people who I see
0:45:18driving erratically
0:45:19I mean I make bets with myself what kind
0:45:22of person that's going to be when I get
0:45:24up there gonna be someone who's on a
0:45:25phone is it going to be someone eating
0:45:28in the car
0:45:29are they checking their map and I see if
0:45:30i can predict based on their driving
0:45:32over that guy that guy is trying to you
0:45:34know type something on his phone or that
0:45:36person is clearly looking at a map or
0:45:38gps that person is arguing with the
0:45:39spouse um I want to get up to the higher
0:45:41card peek in and see if I was right and
0:45:44the other one unfortunately not to be
0:45:45ages for the other 1i predicted that's
0:45:47an old person like you know I can't see
0:45:48them their way already have like ten to
0:45:50one that's got to be no person you come
0:45:52in and you see the little white hair
0:45:53poking up above the edge of the window
0:45:55and yep that's what i think when i see
0:45:57like legitimate situations where someone
0:45:59has formed a roadblock you know like
0:46:01three or four cars running right next to
0:46:02each other and everyone stacked up
0:46:03behind them like those three or four
0:46:05people have to be old people they just
0:46:07have to be because no no one else who is
0:46:09more attentive with better vision
0:46:11and better situational awareness and and
0:46:13you know like they would know like no
0:46:16one does that maliciously except those
0:46:17guys who did it with YouTube video
0:46:18no one intentionally blocked the entire
0:46:20Roman six of their friends just people
0:46:22doing it from an attention plus you can
0:46:23talk as they were all big square Buicks
0:46:25with with the cloth tops on noncom yes
0:46:29that's my fav i'm off my roof and
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0:47:48second before that you know so Jonny
0:47:52mentioned her you always try to guess
0:47:53what the people in front of you were
0:47:55doing and our you know what's causing
0:47:57them to behave a certain way i think you
0:48:00know part of part of what is that part
0:48:03of the reason why there aren't more
0:48:04accidents you know because we do you
0:48:06think there'll be so many more from all
0:48:08the cars i think part of the reason
0:48:09they're that there are more is that for
0:48:12most accident most potential accidents
0:48:14you have to have liked more than one
0:48:16thing go wrong to cause accident because
0:48:18there's so many fail-safes like that you
0:48:20know if you look
0:48:22one of the things that a long time ago
0:48:23in a driving instructor to instructor
0:48:25pointed out to me when I was like 16 or
0:48:27whatever was you know if you look on the
0:48:29highway
0:48:30look at the car in front of you and the
0:48:31lanes are so much wider than you think
0:48:33they are like in your car you think the
0:48:35lanes are as wide as your car but if you
0:48:37look in front of you with those cars
0:48:38you'll see the lanes are almost wide
0:48:39enough for two cars and so if somebody's
0:48:42like swaying a little bit before they
0:48:44realize they have a jerk back another
0:48:46Lane they're probably not going to the
0:48:47person next to them because there's so
0:48:49much extra room it doesn't matter except
0:48:51from the Belt Parkway lanes are
0:48:52literally as long
0:48:54yes but and and so you know for most
0:48:56actions to happen like it takes it takes
0:48:59to bad or inattentive drivers to cause
0:49:03them usually not just one on and and
0:49:06that's one of the reasons why so if you
0:49:08happen to relative to the number of cars
0:49:09on the road so you know what John is
0:49:11what you're saying is like you know your
0:49:13pain and i think this is how this is how
0:49:15i've driven for as long as i can
0:49:17remember and I think I'm a pretty safe
0:49:19driver but I think everybody thinks that
0:49:21everyone thinks they're everyone thinks
0:49:23they're above average but i think what
0:49:27makes you a good driver is the ability
0:49:30to have a constant awareness of what
0:49:33everyone else around you could do or is
0:49:35about to do and so like for me if the
0:49:38person ahead of me doesn't signal it
0:49:40usually doesn't matter because i usually
0:49:42could tell they were about to turn
0:49:43emerged it almost always you can tell
0:49:45like like if you if you see somebody
0:49:48let's say you're in the left lane and
0:49:50ahead of you buy a couple of carlin's is
0:49:52somebody in the right lane who comes up
0:49:54right behind the car in front of them
0:49:55and slows down hits the brakes you know
0:49:57they're about to merge left to pass that
0:49:59person you can you can guess like that's
0:50:01that that's almost certain to happen so
0:50:03like i won't i won't pass that fact that
0:50:05Pastor person in the left links i know
0:50:07they're about to emerge left and they
0:50:08might hit me if I do that you know and
0:50:11so I'm always try or like if I'm merging
0:50:13onto onto a highway i will not merge if
0:50:17there's a car the lane to the left of
0:50:18that one
0:50:19like I it because you wanted a merging
0:50:22right and yeah like yeah like I will
0:50:24wait I wasn't going accidents is
0:50:26identifying the crazies and just giving
0:50:28them a wide berth like being know any of
0:50:30them you let them go ahead or you get in
0:50:32front of them like do not know that I do
0:50:34that all the time
0:50:35okay okay that guy i cannot be within 17
0:50:38car lengths of that guy because he's
0:50:39dangerously they need to be in front of
0:50:40them already behind them big but I want
0:50:43to be nowhere near that that's how you
0:50:44avoid accidents because you're not like
0:50:46the guy who's not paying attention to
0:50:47the person who is eating their lunch
0:50:49hour or texting or whatever playing the
0:50:51flute I want to be nowhere near that
0:50:53like like not even close not like i'll
0:50:54keep my eye on that guy no get away from
0:50:56him get it you know good so you're not
0:50:58within chain reaction distance of that
0:51:00person you need to just now you know be
0:51:02far far away from them
0:51:03exactly and i really think like you know
0:51:05what if you start paying attention you
0:51:08know you can you can try if you don't
0:51:09already do this i bet you guys both do
0:51:11but if you don't already do this kind of
0:51:13like automatic prediction your head of
0:51:14of what everyone else is doing
0:51:16you could probably start training
0:51:18yourself to do it by just starting like
0:51:19a game in your head like just try to
0:51:21guess because when you're on a highway
0:51:23drive try to guess everyone's lane
0:51:25change before they do it and before the
0:51:27signal it now I could not possibly agree
0:51:30with you more Marco and one of the
0:51:31things that I think is a really good
0:51:33example is and you're alluding to one of
0:51:36the great example or you you said one of
0:51:37the great examples is when somebody's
0:51:39flying up to the person in front of them
0:51:40you know they're going to try to move
0:51:41another example is if you see ahead with
0:51:44over to check a blind spot you know then
0:51:46you know that they're about to make a
0:51:47move and and i could not possibly agree
0:51:49with you more that the to me the crux of
0:51:52being a good driver is being able to be
0:51:54predictive and being aware of those
0:51:56around you and not only those who are
0:51:58around you but what their next move is
0:52:00and I know I'm just repeating what you
0:52:01said but i could not possibly underscore
0:52:04that more I think you're absolutely on
0:52:06the mark and and that's why again like
0:52:09you had said everyone thinks a good
0:52:10driver but that's why I think I'm a good
0:52:11driver and I've noticed that Aaron my
0:52:13wife is also very very very very good at
0:52:16that and that's why I think she's a
0:52:17phenomenal drivers because she is
0:52:19predictive and is aware and that's
0:52:21something that I don't think every
0:52:22driver has so I completely agree with
0:52:24you and what John said which is trying
0:52:25two of you avoiding the crazies like it
0:52:28you should be able to tell before you
0:52:30get close to them whether somebody is a
0:52:33risky driver or not and like for me like
0:52:35I will either like i will either not
0:52:37pass them at all if they're like if one
0:52:39I was when I idea won't pass them or
0:52:41I'll pass them with an extra lane to
0:52:43spare or if I if they're going really
0:52:45slow and like I have to pass them with
0:52:47just the immediately adjacent lane
0:52:49i will pass them really fast like I
0:52:51don't forget about lane get so they can
0:52:53see me and then pretty much just floor
0:52:55it and and try to pass them as quickly
0:52:57as possible
0:52:59yes I'm i feel about big trucks i do not
0:53:01want to be behind them where their cargo
0:53:03can spill out on me I don't want to be
0:53:05to the left of them where they can
0:53:06swerve and crush me and I want you know
0:53:08you want to be that way behind them away
0:53:09in front of limits
0:53:10that's like what I think one of the
0:53:12drives i did for maybe Chicago to New
0:53:13York a couple times have done that is
0:53:16like you get on a certain section of
0:53:18Indiana and it's all these stupid trucks
0:53:20and it's like everytime i cleared one
0:53:21that would be another one so it's just
0:53:22trying to find a comfortable place
0:53:23between death-dealing trucks where I
0:53:26could safely survive right because you
0:53:28know it's all about to its it's about
0:53:30minimizing the risk of of even York
0:53:32chosen position in the lane like the
0:53:33same reason like I won't drive in
0:53:35somebody's blind spot that's that's
0:53:36another one of those situations where i
0:53:37will i will resolve a situation to pass
0:53:39the more alcoholic behind you know so
0:53:41many people aren't aware of that like
0:53:43people you know you're doing the game
0:53:44trying to protect other people do even
0:53:45if you get great at the game you have to
0:53:47be aware of what you're doing to and I
0:53:48think we've all been passengers in cars
0:53:50with people who forget about not driving
0:53:52someone's blind spot they can't even
0:53:53maintain the same following distance in
0:53:54the car in front of their their
0:53:55algorithm seems to be don't pay
0:53:57attention until I'm about to hit the car
0:53:59then hit the brakes never do not paying
0:54:02attention up i'm not the car in front of
0:54:03a hit the brakes ok now resume that pay
0:54:05attention looks like about the car from
0:54:06a hit the brakes like maintain the same
0:54:09following distance and the second part
0:54:11of that is being sane following distance
0:54:12that's the other part of like knowing
0:54:13how good your brakes are and stuff you
0:54:15have to adjust your following distance
0:54:16no matter how much of a hurry you're
0:54:18into something based on you know look if
0:54:21if the person in front of jammed on the
0:54:22brakes because it baby crawled out into
0:54:24the road could you avoid hitting them
0:54:26and if the answer is no your distance is
0:54:28too close and almost everybody drives
0:54:31too close to meet you don't you only
0:54:33find this out when you know a ladder
0:54:35falls off the truck in front of you
0:54:36the guy in front of jams in a break and
0:54:37you hit them in the rear and you know I
0:54:39assume everybody knows I'm assume every
0:54:41listener knows this but i always wonder
0:54:43if like you understand that if you hit
0:54:45if your ear and somebody it's your fault
0:54:46i don't know if people understand like i
0:54:48say was not my fault
0:54:50a truck fell off a ladder fell off a
0:54:51truck in front of the car in front of me
0:54:53and he get that likes of course I him
0:54:55know not of course you hit him
0:54:56that's the whole point of driving this
0:54:57must be driving so when that happens you
0:54:59don't hit him and let ya i mean you have
0:55:01to
0:55:02I guess people don't know the braking
0:55:03distances of everybody you can engage it
0:55:05like is it a semi is it a sports cars an
0:55:07SUV
0:55:08how good are the breaks in my car like
0:55:10this is part of driving that's
0:55:13absolutely true
0:55:14now to slow things down a little bit i
0:55:16I'd like to ask you guys about parking
0:55:19and a friend of mine Larry King not the
0:55:23one on CNN that used to be on CNN he
0:55:25he's beat me up for years and actually
0:55:28wrote in to ask our opinions about this
0:55:30he's beat me up for years because I
0:55:31pretty much always without fail back
0:55:33into parking spots and I do that because
0:55:36I feel like it's a little bit effort up
0:55:38front to make things a lot safer on the
0:55:40way out and plus when i'm leaving
0:55:42somewhere i just want to go I want to
0:55:44get on the road I want to do my thing
0:55:45get out of the way and I guess this
0:55:47comes back to being from the Northeast
0:55:48where I just want to get out of
0:55:49everyone's way and do my thing but I'm
0:55:52like the only person I know that
0:55:54consistently backs into parking spots
0:55:56and that also by the way includes my
0:55:58garage so are both actually Aaron and I
0:56:00always back into the garage although
0:56:03she's a normal human being and so she
0:56:05will pull frontwards into most parking
0:56:08spots and i was curious if a either of
0:56:11you guys believe in backing in and be if
0:56:14that makes me a complete weirdo and/or
0:56:16loser for backing in pretty much always
0:56:18I saw someone backing into a parking
0:56:20spot the white BMW i would not have good
0:56:22thoughts haha don't tell you I back into
0:56:26a parking spots no good
0:56:27all right here's the deal and you should
0:56:29know this is someone who's in a hurry
0:56:31right if you pull forward into a parking
0:56:34spot you get into the parking lot
0:56:35quicker right and then you when you pull
0:56:38out of the parking spot them that takes
0:56:39longer because you gotta back out it's
0:56:41hard to see anything like that right
0:56:42you want to make the time where you like
0:56:45where you have to spend lots of time
0:56:47possibly waiting for your chance to go
0:56:49and everything you want that to be the
0:56:50time when you're in the parking spot
0:56:52basically when you're looking for
0:56:53parking spot you want to get out of out
0:56:55of the flow of the cars look at the
0:56:57parks months there's a spot pull right
0:56:58in head in your out of Lovecraft you
0:57:01along no longer repeating everybody
0:57:02later when you're trying to get out you
0:57:04can sit there in the parking spot trying
0:57:06to find your opening to safely back out
0:57:07for as long as you want without impeding
0:57:09the other traffic flow in the parking
0:57:11lot so that's why you go ahead into a
0:57:12parking lot now when you're at home
0:57:14if not peeing and you drive by all means
0:57:16take your time and back into your
0:57:18driveway because if that's what you want
0:57:19to do but in a parking lot you've got to
0:57:21go ahead and because it gets you out of
0:57:22the way of the other people looking for
0:57:24parking spots faster
0:57:25yeah I mean I'm with John I i mean if
0:57:30you think about it this way everybody
0:57:31back into their parking spots think of
0:57:33how much worse traffic would be in
0:57:35parking lots on account of an encounter
0:57:39everybody had one trying to do that well
0:57:41here--here's the thing that you can make
0:57:42you feel better k see once you mend your
0:57:44ways and stop doing the same thing is it
0:57:47makes you appreciate the pull through
0:57:49all the more you know the pull through
0:57:51for you well yeah there's a few slides
0:57:52open you pull through that then you get
0:57:54the best of both worlds that's what you
0:57:55want to give you just go for the pull
0:57:57through and stop impeding traffic in the
0:57:59parking lot with your white BMW trying
0:58:01to back your way into it so here's the
0:58:03thing though i do choose a pole through
0:58:06if it all available and possible so that
0:58:08is absolutely unequivocally the best
0:58:10option but i have gotten not to toot my
0:58:13own horn here but I've gotten so good at
0:58:15backing the parking spots that yes I am
0:58:16slower than pulling in front words no
0:58:18doubt but I can do it pretty much in in
0:58:22marginally more time then if i were to
0:58:26pull in front words however in your
0:58:27defense to the defense of your point
0:58:29that i'm a nut job it is abnormal and so
0:58:32my favorite thing in the world which I
0:58:34don't say with any sarcasm whatsoever is
0:58:36when I . my car in such a way that it's
0:58:39clear to me anyway that i'm about to
0:58:41back into a parking spot because i'm
0:58:43pulling in some conference it for me
0:58:45well not know that they steal it but
0:58:47they go to like pass me as you have done
0:58:49was going to say what would help
0:58:50included is you're going to end up
0:58:52getting the driver side you're going to
0:58:54be hitting the driver side of your car
0:58:55because people aren't expecting it so
0:58:57when they see you pull pass the spot and
0:58:58then hit the brakes
0:59:00maybe that if you're lucky they don't
0:59:01hit you when you hit the brakes but then
0:59:03once you start backing out they are
0:59:04going to become extremely off guard and
0:59:06this is nothing but automatic
0:59:07transmission that always like I can
0:59:08flick into reverse really quickly but
0:59:11I've seen I've been to many cars with
0:59:13automatic transmissions where the people
0:59:14look down a little PR ndl thing you have
0:59:16to see the little lingo into our there's
0:59:18no way they're going to get into reverse
0:59:20fast and so you end up you know scraping
0:59:23them hitting member they're gonna hit
0:59:24you because they don't it's an
0:59:26unexpected thing to be happy that
0:59:27not your fault your fault is for
0:59:29impeding traffic with your stupid back
0:59:30and thing but I in addition you're also
0:59:32risking being hit by inattentive drivers
0:59:35surprised by what you're doing in a
0:59:36parking lot that's fair
0:59:38so the more of the story is on that's
0:59:40you should not do that and get you get
0:59:42your backing and kicks John your
0:59:43driveway you're not impeding anybody
0:59:45there you can you know back in all you
0:59:47want
0:59:47alright so i have another thing that's
0:59:50very quick that I'd like to talk about
0:59:51there any other etiquette related
0:59:53discussions we should have turning also
0:59:56oh my god people are so that a turning
0:59:59over the right term
0:59:59over the right term
1:00:00and this one this is my least favorite
1:00:01you're following someone they're going
1:00:02to make a right turn the signal like a
1:00:04sane person they make the right turn and
1:00:07it seems like time starts to go so slow
1:00:10it goes backwards like that goes a
1:00:11little slower and slower like they're
1:00:14going to turn into the gas station know
1:00:15they're getting cash and slower and
1:00:17slower then they're right wheel touches
1:00:18the little thing then they start turning
1:00:20and it's like you eventually up coming
1:00:22to a complete stop behind this person
1:00:24while you wait for them to make the
1:00:25right turns like you understand that you
1:00:27can carry forward momentum into a right
1:00:29turn without saying you know you don't
1:00:30like 15 miles an hour on a secondary
1:00:32road they're pulling into a gas station
1:00:33you have to come to a complete stop
1:00:35because of how incredibly slowly they
1:00:37make a right turn
1:00:39it's usually old people but like it just
1:00:40it you know the only time i will excuse
1:00:43that is if you have a Ferrari or
1:00:44Lamborghini some of the supercar and
1:00:46you're afraid of scraping it when you go
1:00:47into like that the gas station parking
1:00:49lot then ok you can create and i'll call
1:00:51you call you doing it but if you have a
1:00:53toyota camry and you basically come to a
1:00:54complete stop before getting out of
1:00:56blame that you're making a right turn
1:00:57from I get angry my big to pet peeves
1:01:01about turns our number one by far is
1:01:05people who sway the opposite direction a
1:01:08little bit before they make their turn
1:01:10in order to have a wider tournament that
1:01:11such a good signal you like you know
1:01:13what you know exactly what kind of
1:01:15person that is when i see this way out
1:01:16i'm like you may think that person is
1:01:17making a left but I can tell by their
1:01:19lack of signal and the fact that i can't
1:01:21see their head above the steering wheel
1:01:22they're making a right right the fact
1:01:24they just crossed over the line almost
1:01:25hit somebody coming the other way
1:01:27yeah and that they're making a right
1:01:29trust me out there they go
1:01:31and the other thing is people who you
1:01:33know it let's say you have intersection
1:01:34so suppose your it is almost this almost
1:01:37always it people who are turning left in
1:01:40a right-hand-drive country which of
1:01:43course is all the all the normal
1:01:44countries people who are turning left
1:01:47and there's nobody in the left-turn lane
1:01:50of the streets of turning onto so rather
1:01:54than making a turn
1:01:55that's closer to a 90 degree angle they
1:01:58make a turn that cuts a straight
1:02:00diagonal across the intersection of yeah
1:02:02they're gonna end up just you know how
1:02:04many being a head-on collision right
1:02:06because what because so often i will be
1:02:08like let's say if there's intersection
1:02:10on a hill or something where the
1:02:11visibility is poor where you
1:02:12kinda can't see what you're turning into
1:02:14until you get really close to it i'll be
1:02:16sitting in in that left turning heads of
1:02:19what the turning into and i will have
1:02:21the front left corner of my car be
1:02:24almost clipped off by almost everybody
1:02:26making that turn yeah don't forget about
1:02:28the corner sometimes I've always been
1:02:29hit head-on by people and they may not
1:02:31get the honk at you like you're looking
1:02:32away like you're sitting here sitting
1:02:34completely still and Elaine within the
1:02:36left-turn lane and they're almost hit
1:02:38you in a head-on collision they're
1:02:39shocked by your presence that right like
1:02:41like the proper way to turn when you're
1:02:43turning left intersects like that is to
1:02:45pull straight ahead into the
1:02:47intersection most of the distance before
1:02:50you actually turn left and make you know
1:02:53make almost a 90-degree turn but people
1:02:56don't think that way you nervous think
1:02:58that way but most people don't think
1:02:58that way they don't see if they don't
1:03:00see the invisible guidelines on the road
1:03:02that are actually that's why they
1:03:03started putting that you see the
1:03:04intersection of the dotted lines is to
1:03:05tell the idiots where you're supposed to
1:03:07talk after nobody follows them it
1:03:08doesn't matter at least a clue
1:03:11you're not actually like to double down
1:03:13with jon said a minute ago about turning
1:03:15at at one mile an hour
1:03:17my favorite is when you see a humongous
1:03:20SUV or like a jeep wrangler hopping over
1:03:23this like little divot in the road where
1:03:26water will run like a gutter if you will
1:03:28and they do that at one mile an hour
1:03:30when there was when the ground clearance
1:03:32on that car is easily two or three times
1:03:34the ground clearance on any car I've
1:03:35ever driven reminiscent of our coffee
1:03:37though
1:03:37yeah I don't know what it is but I'm
1:03:39like dude you will not even feel that
1:03:41bump you could run over my whole freakin
1:03:43car and you wouldn't feel it yet you're
1:03:45going to crawl over this little teeny
1:03:47divot in the road drives me bonkers any
1:03:51other etiquette related complaining i
1:03:53mean thoughts
1:03:55i I don't I feel like John you you have
1:03:57the king of this stuff right
1:03:59I i could probably think of more than
1:04:01I'm getting myself worked up just
1:04:03thinking about actually on the related
1:04:05topic of safety and everything how is
1:04:09everyone's driving record in terms of
1:04:10safety like how many accident maybe I
1:04:12could be a whole show we talked about
1:04:13accidents we've got into maybe maybe
1:04:14she'll that for later
1:04:16now let's do now I hope it's a short
1:04:18list but today
1:04:20Casey alright so i have been into
1:04:24accidents neither were my fault
1:04:26one was when I was 16 and nonno
1:04:29three-quarters house in the saturn that
1:04:32I believe I've spoken about a couple
1:04:33times i was going in the ring road if
1:04:35you will around the local mall it was
1:04:38raining it was december and i was
1:04:40probably going a little bit too quick so
1:04:42I was not free but a pickup truck
1:04:45decided that he couldn't really see
1:04:47around the park cars at the edge of the
1:04:49parking lot and just decided to stop in
1:04:52the middle of my lane and I definitely
1:04:54t-boned him and his pickup won by a long
1:04:57shot
1:04:58then two weeks after getting the saturn
1:05:00back from the repair shop i was at my
1:05:03then girlfriend's house taking her to a
1:05:05basketball game and it was snowing and
1:05:08again this is Connecticut and one of her
1:05:10either friends or acquaintances was
1:05:12turning into her house and decided to
1:05:15make that left immediately in front of
1:05:16me and so I t-boned her as well but
1:05:19those are the only two accidents have
1:05:20been in i have also gotten two speeding
1:05:24tickets in mileage is a to i want to say
1:05:26two speeding tickets in my life and that
1:05:28hasn't been knock on glass for quite a
1:05:31long time now but you got the radar
1:05:32detector now
1:05:33well I can't use in Virginia that when
1:05:35in fact one of the times i did get a
1:05:36speeding ticket was in north myrtle
1:05:38beach when the radar detector was in the
1:05:39trunk which was really knowing John
1:05:42alright so i have not had a car accident
1:05:46since I was 17 so that's like what about
1:05:49many years many many decades completely
1:05:51accident free but before that I i had
1:05:54many adventures
1:05:56my first was when i was learning to
1:05:57drive with my mom we were driving down
1:06:00the highway it wasn't the first time in
1:06:02the highway but it was one of the first
1:06:03few times and there was in getting back
1:06:06to the ladder falling truck there was a
1:06:08large metal ladder like one of those big
1:06:10extension ladders laying across the two
1:06:12lanes like it in you know that the two
1:06:15lines one direction and I saw the ladder
1:06:17and I stopped came to a stop in front of
1:06:20because there's no way we could have
1:06:21cleared that like it was you know the
1:06:23two extension ladder two ladders on top
1:06:24of each other it's like at least a foot
1:06:25high and it's metal so i stopped but the
1:06:27person behind me failed to stop and rear
1:06:30ended me so that was my first car
1:06:33accident actually damage the cargo Volvo
1:06:35and built like a tank and the bumpers
1:06:37are made of like gigantic phone
1:06:39rubber or whatever second was driving my
1:06:42parents minivans know this was entirely
1:06:44my fault because I was you know drifting
1:06:47than a minivan around the corners in the
1:06:48snow and ice
1:06:51this was like low speed like it was just
1:06:53coming home on secondary roads and just
1:06:55freshly snow and I was no sliding around
1:06:57and ice little bit too far in one and
1:07:00the and bang the side of the front tire
1:07:02into a curb at fairly low speed but
1:07:05enough to like you know been some
1:07:06suspension components i drove it home
1:07:07but that was bad and the final one in my
1:07:11last car accident my only actual serious
1:07:13car accident I was also my fault and
1:07:15this is the woman I was 17 I was coming
1:07:18home was coming home from church which
1:07:20is the by the way the best time to get
1:07:22into an accident in terms of insurance
1:07:24settlements and stuff like that rather
1:07:26than you know coming home from a party
1:07:27drunk something I was coming home from
1:07:28church at midnight and i must have been
1:07:31tired and I was making a left turn and
1:07:33roads that I've gone on a million times
1:07:35and made a left turn without adequately
1:07:36checking whether the oncoming it was any
1:07:39car coming me you know in the opposite
1:07:40direction and there was and it was
1:07:42basically a head-on collision
1:07:43yeah didn't total the car anything was
1:07:46all basically a low-speed like 25 30
1:07:48miles an hour i was totally uninjured
1:07:49the car was repaired but I was my fault
1:07:52but since then 0 car accidents fender
1:07:55benders are of any kind
1:07:57what about speeding tickets once being
1:08:00taken also when I was 17 or 18 going at
1:08:04the maximum speed Michael always able to
1:08:06attain which was 85 miles an hour and
1:08:08overdrive downhill on the LA nice now
1:08:12the air conditioning was often soon
1:08:14yes air conditioning alternative I'm at
1:08:16and I was this is also very late at like
1:08:172am coming home from one of my summer
1:08:19jobs and the yeah I like I have I have
1:08:24my grandfather was a New York City
1:08:26detective so I had that the pba card in
1:08:28my wallet but just this old graph white
1:08:31hair policeman comes up to the window my
1:08:33car rolled and rolled down the window
1:08:35with the Kranks because that's what we
1:08:36had just 25 didn't even bother i didn't
1:08:40even bother trying to talk my way out of
1:08:42it if you're a teenage boy alone in your
1:08:44car and it's 2 a.m.
1:08:45you're going as fast as I karke
1:08:47impossible to go you just take the
1:08:48ticket and I did you get a terrible
1:08:51drivers
1:08:52oh well we'll see alright mean I may
1:08:55have the longest unbroken streak of no
1:08:58accidents of any of the people here but
1:09:00you're selling your old because I'm old
1:09:03how many years has been since you were
1:09:0417 I can't do that ma'am i had 20 21
1:09:09ok then you might alright so i have no
1:09:13accidents there was one time when it was
1:09:17like I was like 17 and I was driving
1:09:19down a residential street with cars
1:09:21parked on both sides and I clipped
1:09:23somebody's mirror on the right but I
1:09:25went back and looked and it was a mirror
1:09:28that was made to fold so it had attacked
1:09:31you just folded forward and so I guess
1:09:35that was alright that counts as an
1:09:38accident mr. I've never had any
1:09:39accidents but not supposed to touch
1:09:40remember
1:09:41ok touching so yeah I was like 16 or 17
1:09:44videos like it was like a year into
1:09:45driving but yeah they're like no visible
1:09:48damage to either of us anyway so and
1:09:52then I've had my car hit while it was
1:09:55parked twice one time in college
1:09:58somebody clipped the mirror off my
1:10:00maxima kind of you know in payback
1:10:04I guess the karmic karmic retribution
1:10:07there and I i mentioned how my honda
1:10:12accord somebody back into its door what
1:10:14was parked and that was that was hold
1:10:17Ventura that I would rather not relive
1:10:19because we don't have time to explain
1:10:20the whole thing of Y and now these cars
1:10:22but going back to the maximum for a
1:10:25second
1:10:26I've gotten three tickets one was simple
1:10:31speeding going 86 on a highway in ohio
1:10:33forever ago
1:10:35another one was in college I went
1:10:39through i technically went through a
1:10:42stop sign because I didn't come to a
1:10:43complete stop i did one of those do she
1:10:45pauses good because you know it's one of
1:10:48those things like everybody in town did
1:10:49this douchey pause at this one stop sign
1:10:51a kind of shouldn't have been there and
1:10:54one time I got caught and that was it I
1:10:55stopped doing it and then the third one
1:10:58was
1:10:58bad five of six seven years ago now
1:11:03yeah actually it was eight years ago
1:11:04cheese something like that i still have
1:11:07the maximum after somebody clipped the
1:11:09mirror off i didn't get it fixed for
1:11:12like two months or more it maybe three
1:11:15four six months who knows it was awhile
1:11:16ago I was so angry it was it was right
1:11:19after I graduated from college so yes it
1:11:21was awhile ago so like I was just so
1:11:24angry at the world that somebody had
1:11:27stolen like a hundred and fifty bucks
1:11:29worth of value to me because it was it
1:11:31was below the insurance deductible so I
1:11:33couldn't really get reimbursed I was
1:11:35just screwing of that money because
1:11:36somebody hit my car and-and-and left in
1:11:37rent so I I was very upset about that so
1:11:40I didn't get it fixed for a while and
1:11:42also have no money at the times i was
1:11:45just finishing college and and just
1:11:47started my new job where i got not that
1:11:49much money so I was speeding on in New
1:11:52York highway going upstate and III got I
1:11:56got radar it likee 384 something like
1:11:59that somewhere in the eighties and and
1:12:02the cop kind of took pity on me i don't
1:12:04know why but maybe I was just nice maybe
1:12:06he just like me maybe like maximus I
1:12:08don't know but uh but he didn't notice
1:12:11the mirror was gone he he wrote me up
1:12:13for a like an equipment ticket instead
1:12:15he like lower it down to that
1:12:17wow he's like at the end and he said if
1:12:20you get this fixed within the next 72
1:12:21hours or something then then you know
1:12:23just mail and proven and tickle be
1:12:25cancelled and i did and that's something
1:12:27i finally got that you might you must
1:12:29have looked very pathetic
1:12:30yes seriously because my the the most
1:12:33recent ticket of mine i was a Virginia
1:12:35resident and this was literally a week
1:12:37after buying the subaru and i was living
1:12:39in Charlottesville the time but i was
1:12:40visiting a friend in richmond and I was
1:12:42getting on the road getting on an
1:12:44interstate to go back to drop my friend
1:12:46off before i went back to
1:12:47Charlottesville and I don't remember how
1:12:49fast I was going but I was going roughly
1:12:5010 miles an hour over the speed limit i
1:12:52think and the cop pulls me over and he
1:12:54says hey do you know how fast you're
1:12:56going us that you want to be honest or
1:12:57no i don't i was just trying to get over
1:12:58to get onto the interstate blah blah
1:13:00well you know its speed limit as well
1:13:02sir to be honest no i don't i'm not from
1:13:04around here not sure what's with the
1:13:05speed limit is well son to speed limit
1:13:07signs look the same where you come from
1:13:09yeah sometimes there's nothing you can
1:13:12say the police officer like that they're
1:13:14just they want to yell at you and it's
1:13:16just you just have to like but it's kind
1:13:18of like a video game where I'm going
1:13:21through walking dead like do you think
1:13:22there's any series of responses that
1:13:23could have led you down a dialogue tree
1:13:25that would not have resulted in your
1:13:26being scolded no not at all
1:13:28I mean that something like I think one
1:13:30of the reasons why I well I got off
1:13:32oh yeah i forgot i was pulled over one
1:13:34more time more recently in like twenty
1:13:35ten when I was not at this crazy hiking
1:13:38trip to vermont i was trying to try to
1:13:41meet my friends by deadline up on top of
1:13:42the mountain long story but anyway so I
1:13:45was going down vermont state route
1:13:46probably going 70 and the speed limit
1:13:49was probably 50 or 55 was going like
1:13:5265-70 something like that like i was i
1:13:54was going what to me was a very
1:13:56reasonable speed but just this road
1:13:58wasn't and or rather you know this is it
1:14:01was above the posted limit and I got
1:14:03pulled over for that but the cop let me
1:14:06off you just you know is it because it i
1:14:08think i think the speed limit was 50 and
1:14:10I was going like sixty seven it was like
1:14:12I was going a speed that would have been
1:14:14reasonable for the most part but I
1:14:16plausibly might have missed the sign
1:14:18yeah you have to happen you have to tell
1:14:20whether i mean you can usually tell
1:14:22whether you have been pulled over by a
1:14:24cop who wants you to slow down our
1:14:26you've been pulled over by cop who is
1:14:28doing shift in which there are assigned
1:14:30to give out speeding tickets can you get
1:14:32pulled over by the cops on a shift
1:14:33giving out speeding tickets you're
1:14:34getting a ticket
1:14:35like that's all he's they're doing is
1:14:36giving up whereas if you just happen to
1:14:38drive by a cop anything so you're not
1:14:39driving well he's going to pull you over
1:14:40yell at you maybe give you a ticket
1:14:42maybe not
1:14:43and I mean I don't think it was i was a
1:14:45guy in rural Vermont driving a black BMW
1:14:48with New York plates
1:14:50yeah and so he probably expected me to
1:14:52be a real dick but then because I was
1:14:54nice to him maybe maybe that's why i got
1:14:57i don't know who's a jerk to police
1:14:58officers like your only chance now maybe
1:15:00not exactly that's all you've got left
1:15:02it all you've got going for you is to be
1:15:04nice and and to try to engender some
1:15:07kind of pity
1:15:08right because you and you gotta realize
1:15:09to like you know I mean sure there are
1:15:12some bad there are some bad cops out
1:15:13there but most of them I'm sure aren't
1:15:15bad and you gotta figure that job sucks
1:15:18you know that Robin really so that's
1:15:20what you guys doing they're giving out
1:15:21speeding tickets like
1:15:23getting a ticket like you have a quota
1:15:25like you know there's no matter how bad
1:15:26he feels about you he'll talk to you and
1:15:28be nice and friendly but you're still
1:15:29getting the ticket right and that's what
1:15:31i was doing there all day I feel like to
1:15:33like you know if you don't if you don't
1:15:34try to hide it like you know if you
1:15:36don't if you don't try to try to pull
1:15:38the case you like I don't know what the
1:15:39speed limit is officer like family
1:15:41dinner until they hear that every every
1:15:43time they pull somebody over here the
1:15:44same three scooter in certain laws not a
1:15:46defense right and so like most people
1:15:48know that I feel like if you show
1:15:50respect to the police officer and you
1:15:52know just be like yeah I'm sorry you
1:15:54know yet
1:15:55do you gotta do you know like I feel
1:15:56like your chances of getting off are a
1:15:58little bit better just because you're
1:16:00not making their day harder you're not
1:16:02you're not like trying the same stupid
1:16:05excuse like insulting their intelligence
1:16:06like everybody else does it you know i
1:16:09don't think so but Aaron actually just a
1:16:12little while ago got pulled over on her
1:16:15way home and it ended up that the the
1:16:17most reasonable place for her to get off
1:16:19the main road that our neighborhood was
1:16:21off of was on our street and still got a
1:16:24ticket so she was literally 80 yards
1:16:27from our house and still got a speeding
1:16:29ticket
1:16:29yeah I actually I shouldn't I I said you
1:16:31know all you can do is be nice but i'm
1:16:33probably not a good example this because
1:16:35I can't control myself sometimes like we
1:16:37have tons of construction in
1:16:38Massachusetts and investors it's they
1:16:41have what they call police details where
1:16:43each construction site hostile police
1:16:44officer at the construction site to help
1:16:47drive the tractor whenever they get paid
1:16:48for this and you can take it away
1:16:49because this huge amount of extra money
1:16:51and that's why all the police officers
1:16:52make more money than me and I'm sad but
1:16:54anyway this you know was construction
1:16:57police officers they're kind of
1:16:59directing traffic kind of not because
1:17:01there was a light right in front of it
1:17:02as well but occasionally he would direct
1:17:04people to disregard the light and come
1:17:06through it or whatever and traffic is
1:17:07crawling along like stop and go with the
1:17:09construction and I was creeping along
1:17:11with everybody else and the light turned
1:17:13yellow and I roll my way through the
1:17:15intersection while it was yellow and
1:17:17came to stop next police officer and he
1:17:19wanted me to roll down my window yelled
1:17:20to me says you just went through a red
1:17:21light and I and I should have just said
1:17:23I'm sorry officer but I like I didn't I
1:17:26I'd it was yellow I mean yes i did go
1:17:28through a yellow light but we're all
1:17:30going about a half mile an hour here I
1:17:32just rolled through the intersection not
1:17:34blocking is actually said it wasn't it
1:17:35was
1:17:36read it was yellow the only good thing
1:17:37about detail is he wouldn't want to go
1:17:39back to his car right now but it can be
1:17:40said yeah I think he liked argue with
1:17:43you about something and just wait for me
1:17:44on because he had to you know continue
1:17:45later the cars roll through but that was
1:17:46a stupid why would argue with him why
1:17:48are you with him because because the
1:17:49light wasn't let read it just literally
1:17:51wasn't you know and I feel like if you
1:17:53want to give me a ticket for going
1:17:55through on a late yellow then say you
1:17:57shouldn't have gone through that yellow
1:17:58I would have agreed with him but him
1:18:00telling me that light was totally read i
1:18:01said no it wasn't that was not the right
1:18:03answer probably know it was not but I
1:18:05didn't get a ticket because you know
1:18:07he's got other things to do in like
1:18:08seriously it was not a dangerous
1:18:09situation as we go too long and half
1:18:11mile an hour so what we've learned from
1:18:14this episode is the Marco is the
1:18:15prettiest of the three of us
1:18:17yes that's that's probably true I won't
1:18:19argue with that