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00:00:00 ◼   ► actually I got my own off-topic story [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► that I I'd like to share that I don't [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► think we'll be part of the show [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► sure I had a meeting today with some [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► local apple reps they were going to go [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► through and and bless or curse this ipad [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► app I'm gonna be writing for our client [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► and so there were three of them and I [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► meet the first one hi I'm Casey listen I [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► am case it's the third one says await [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► your kc list your that Casey list [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► yeah oh man listen to your show for like [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► a few weeks now it's really good you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► know Marco and John I was like holy shit [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► this is happening to me now this is the [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► i'm so used to being around you two [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► idiots where everyone out of the [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► outcomes out of the woodwork WBC is like [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► wait wait wait you're Marco or you await [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► your John that John and so then it [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► happened to me and it was really [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► freaking weird i don't know how you guys [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► do it because I was like kind of creeped [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► out but also really appreciative [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► engineer was it was weird it was weird [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► and see now at WCC this year people [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► going to be coming up to you and showing [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► their support for the white car subaru [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► cause fully hopefully seeing here every [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► story from everybody who's ever had a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► Subaru telling you how great it was and [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► how wrong john and i are for not caring [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► for them that much such goals nobody [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► likes them anyway [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► exactly ok don't include this in the [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► show we do have some follow-up right [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► yeah we have a little teeny bit of [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► follow-up but if you'd like to start the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► follow-up that's fine i got a really [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► great one actually a while ago [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► well you know relatively speaking from [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► Alexander hoffman and you know we were [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► talking in episode 2 about car costs and [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► affording cars and and you know a nice [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► sports car might be twice as much per [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► month as a more average pedestrian car [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► so he said I know that many people will [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► say that if it costs twice as much it [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► had better be twice as good [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► that's a fallacy in fact that original [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► amount for example 250 maybe a steel [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► providing far more value than the cost [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► the second half does not need to match [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► that value proposition to be rational [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and or reasonable [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► it doesn't need to be the same steel in [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► order to still be worthy look at the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► example of jeans the first fifty dollars [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► to most people definitely provides more [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► value than the next fifty dollars but a [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► better fit and being more stylish is [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► imaginably worth fifty dollars even if [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► not to you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► no need to claim that hundred-dollar [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► genes are twice as good [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► they just need to see that the next [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► fifty dollars actually buy something [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► worth at least fifty dollars to you [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► same for the next 250 for the car so i [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► think it's interesting I mean he was [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► right like you know a five hundred [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► dollar-a-month car doesn't have to be [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► twice as good as a tunafish [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► dollar-a-month car it has to provide two [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► hundred fifty dollars a month worth of [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► value to you [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► yeah with put two interesting dollars [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► worth of value is twice the amount i [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► mean just semantics really like if it [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► costs if it costs a certain amount and [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► then you add that same amount you you [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► know yes it has to be worth the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► additional amount but that's also [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► doubling because it happens to be you [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► know twice the previous number it's a [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► different way of looking at it I suppose [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► because double sounds like maybe [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► different light I think it's just some [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► antics isn't that's kinda how I look at [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► it and I mean to get to build on that if [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► you consider that the 0 to 250 dollars a [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► month got you all the way from your doc [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► martens to something that will drive you [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► down the road [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► I mean what is the next 250 gonna do [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that even puts it on par with being that [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► much better than your sneakers does that [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► make sense well as it is it's an upgrade [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► its it's you know what he's saying is [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like it doesn't you know to be worth it [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► to somebody it doesn't have to be twice [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► as good as the base price it just has to [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► provide that interval worth of value to [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► you so I so you know for me it's like I [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► have to have a car anyway you know I [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► just I need a car for my lifestyle and [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► what I do well if so I need a car so the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► cost of the car is kind of like [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► non-negotiable right i have to have a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► car and so I could have a basic car for [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► me 300 bucks a month that would fit my [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► family and not be horrible and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► everything so after then say alright is [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► it worth an extra 250 a month to rather [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► than having that car to have this [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► awesome car [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► so is it worth 250 a month . like what [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► I'm paying for the base car is less [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► relevant because i have to have that [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► anyway I'm not saying you know this has [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► to be twice as good as like to meet like [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► that that's kind of already a sunk cost [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► like I have to have a car . is it worth [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► 250 more month for me to have this nice [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► car but you can extrapolate that even [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► further and say well whatever you think [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► is the bare minimum doesn't have to be [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► turning fifty dollars a month you know [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the bare minimum to use a silly example [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the bare minimum 335 new is God knows [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► you know several hundred dollars a month [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► but with 700 is something like that but [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► a bare minimum civic or you go if they [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► were still new I mean you could you [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► could you could buy you go for the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► twenty-dollar bill for god sakes so then [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► but yeah how much would you have to put [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► into it to keep it running but that's a [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► fair point [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► i mean i-i guess I I see both sides of [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► this argument I tend to agree more with [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► John that this is kind of a semantic [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► thing but you're right that if you [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► consider the first XP that 250 or [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► whatever to be a given then at that [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► point it's just a matter of what do you [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► think it does the remainder actually [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► provide that much value to you and [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► obviously what provides value to me may [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► not provide value to you for example a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► brand-new Jeep Wrangler maybe a lot more [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► expensive than the baseline civic or [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► whatever and if i go off-road a lot [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that's important but that's not who I am [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► and I don't give a crap about that stuff [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► so instead i bought a 335 which goes [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► quickly and handles well in his cushy [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► and things of that nature says white and [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► is white which is a perfect segue to [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► some of my follow-up Marco thank you i [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► don't have any one particular name [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► because I got several pieces of feedback [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► about this and actually after episode 2 [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► came out which is a little weird but [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► several people said to me or us really [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► hey one of the reasons that people buy [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► white cars is because if you live in SE [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the southwest or in Florida or somewhere [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► like there where the Sun beats down in [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► bakes your car for hours on end having a [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► white car is the difference between [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► getting out of that car drenched in [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► sweat or getting at with as it would be [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► in a black car or getting out of that [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► car [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► moderately comfortable if you have a [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► white car to be fair that is not at all [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► why I bought any of my white cars but [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► that is a somewhat valid argument [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► is it really i mean like i know it makes [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► some difference obviously that you know [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► what whether the cars body panels are [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► very hot or simply hot while it's like [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► sitting around in the Sun but doesn't a [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► lot of the heat in the interior of car [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► come from the light being living through [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► the windows and understand the roof the [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► roof is a factor too because you are [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► like if the roof is absorbing vs [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► reflecting but I said like the colors of [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► the Interior are more about that so if [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► you're black seats versus having white [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► seats that will probably make more of a [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► difference for your comfort because [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► you're touching the seat versus just [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► having a white roof and that's [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► reflecting the you know more of the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► lights energy sunlight energy from the [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► top you know instead of a black one but [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► like I don't really care how hot the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► hood gets you know you wouldn't think [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that's going to affect the interior [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► temperature as much for the trunk later [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► whatever it's really maybe the door [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► panels but people who were the case the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► right people who sent an email they were [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► all from hot climates and they all said [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► oh you gotta buy white now I don't know [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► it actually tested this but presumably [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► they lived there and they believe it [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► whether it's a real thing or not it's [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► kind of like those are coffee [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► Julie things you should get someone down [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► there to get two identical cars but [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► preferably with the same color interior [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► but one white one black that's gonna be [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► hard itself is usually give you [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► different interiors of those very [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► different exterior colors and you know [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► do some actual test with them in the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► sunlight see how goes it whoo-hoo we [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► going to get to go to Florida sorry but [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► a place in the sun belt [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► nobody wants to go to Florida with [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► someone that someone on this podcast has [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► relatives who live in arizona I'm sure [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► actually we're gonna bring cars there [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► ok ground up by two cars right one white [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► one black same color is really what what [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► what is when i was last in Arizona I [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► rented that this by the way I hate this [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► so much whenever I have to travel [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► somewhere and rent a car I always try to [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► get something reasonably fun and so you [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► go to like Enterprise our budget or hurt [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► or whatever and they always have like [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the premium sedan category that's [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► usually what i opted for because it [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► always says nissan maxima $YEAR chevy [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► impala or similar to describe this [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► category and the first time I've rented [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► a car of this category [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► they gave me a mini and I was like it [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► was for Christmas trip you're taking [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► upstate from Brooklyn and I was like I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► don't this isn't really going to work [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► well this is our premium sedan [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► ok well the stuff i'm bringing won't fit [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► in a mini this is nothing like a maxima [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► or impala it's not not even close [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► just because it costs a little more they [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► call it a premium sedan so we can do a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► lot of money but I i had I convinced [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► them to give me anything else they had [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► and the only thing they had was a giant [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► white SUV which I had to drive that for [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► a week which is terrible but so when I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► went to Arizona the premium sedan there [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► so hoping for a maximum no get out there [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► it's a black avalon the Avalon is it [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► surprisingly unfun but it was actually [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► really nice car like I throughout the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► week I you were surprised by an avalon [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► not being fun [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► yeah i was going to jump on that you and [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► I thought I'd just be quiet i have one [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► is the Japanese all persons car they [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► said what do old American people in [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► America like to drive those big body [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► cars with a bench front seat we can make [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► one of those cameras said alright yeah I [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► was more surprised because it was [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► actually like I didn't mind driving it [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► relatively low relative to the rest of [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► arizona arizona is a weird place to [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► begin with like one of the well so I [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► don't mind driving it but it's actually [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► pretty fast car just was not fun at all [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► had no feeling but I guess I wish that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► rental agencies would rent you specific [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► models like that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► why i like Zipcar so much because you [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► you pick the exact model of car that you [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► want even you even pick the color i mean [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► like you pick exactly the one vehicle [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► that you are renting and so you know in [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► advance what you're getting into [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you can you have some control over that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► you and you can see what's available in [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► like different car garages and parking [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► spots where with rentals they always [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► have those those crappy categories and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► you never get what you want have you [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► have you ever rented a car and gotten [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► something that you were very happy with [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► I haven't I'm happy when it doesn't [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► smell that [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► I have low standards and please Lord [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► don't let it smells like someone's [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► smoking this car when they weren't [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► supposed to [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► don't let someone have left day you know [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► a cup of coffee or milk in the backseat [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► didn't have to bake in the Sun just [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► wanted to be clean I wanted to run it [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► I can get behind that all right do we [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► want a you want to pick a topic here is [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that sounds kind of dirty all right [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► before you did that i had one piece of [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► follow-up please going to organize here [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► we talk about dual clutch for single [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► question I in typical fashion i did not [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► remember the details of which supercar [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► maker was sticking with single [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► collectors dual-clutch I'm just talking [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► about how do you know the deal collected [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the single largest more harsh you know [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► the dual-clutch but they don't care that [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► it's harsh if you make a supercar so [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► Robert Stewart wrote in to say that i [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► was saying that was because the same [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► questions faster and he said really [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► dual-clutch transmissions shift faster [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► provided you're going to the gear that [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► the computer thinks you're getting into [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► because they have that this the second [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► gear all ready to go and queued up for [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► you if you're shifting in a predictable [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► pattern and I think this was his email [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► looking forward in the text here while [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► reading it but was it and also talking [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► about how single clutch has the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► advantage of being predictable doesn't [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► matter what gear shift into our when or [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► what any computer thinks you're going to [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► do the ship's always take the same [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► amount of time versus a dual-clutch [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► where if the transmission doesn't know [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► didn't expect you to downshift to that [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► moment is going to take longer than a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► single clutch because it wasn't ready [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► with the gear pre-selected in the little [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► second gear box nothing was that a [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► single clutch single clutch has more [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► surface area on the on the the clutch [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► plates so can handle more torque so it's [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► easier to get one to handle a lot of [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► power though then he says the same email [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► that Lamborghini apparently has high [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► torque dual-clutch transmissions in its [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► car so it might just be a matter of [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► whether like Ferrari has developed that [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► or not remember he asked my name is an [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► electric dual-clutch not as clear-cut as [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► it was made to be in the last episode [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► and actually building on that you had [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► talked about well who is it that has [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► single clutch gear boxes to this day and [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► by way of the first episode of top gear [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► i was reminded that the pagani huayra [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► has a single clutch automated manual and [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► actually i glanced at Wikipedia right [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► beforehand [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► and right before we recorded and it says [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the choice not to use a dual-clutch in [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► oil bath was because it would lead to an [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► increase in weight of over 70 kilograms [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► 450 pounds negating the advantage of the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► ability of smooth of such transmissions [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► to change gears faster as a result the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► entire transmission of the color of the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► pagani huayra weighs ninety six kilos or [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► 210 pounds you know they said that on [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the episode as well that we have some [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► demand weight savings was the reason i [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► did it i don't want to spoil that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► episode but it was a good home yeah [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► don't think that car cities i think i [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► think it became less hideous with this [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► update i think we got worse [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► you know I'd never looker i'm actually [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► not that big of a fan of the mid-engined [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► proportions like I like the way the way [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► you have the that the space from the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► drivers back of their head to the back [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of the car you have that so much longer [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► usually then from the driver's head to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the front of the car i kinda don't like [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► those reports you know searches you [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you've mentioned in past shows how that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► looks exotic and people like that i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► don't really i mean maybe just is now [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► that's weird two weeks I hardly ever see [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it but I don't think it looks better [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► from the outside from the inside from [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► the outside now i like it i mean it [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► depends on the car certainly don't like [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it on the Huayra but i like i like most [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► other Mortal I like those proportions [TS]

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00:14:37 ◼   ► extremely easy the designs that [TS]

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00:14:46 ◼   ► Squarespace sites also include [TS]

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00:15:23 ◼   ► create an exceptional website [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► I'd so this might be a multi-part [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► episode which I'm sure is making both [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► you rumbles are already i wanted to talk [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► about a specific portion of tech in cars [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► and specifically i wanted to talk about [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► why i think the eye dr and equivalents [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► are significantly better than a [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► touchscreen so let me start by asking [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► John does your dad's 328 have navigation [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► an eye dr or not so much now it predates [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► that I believe okay now have you played [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► over what year is yours 2009-11 11 yeah [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► i think is like eight or nine or [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► something but now i have not played with [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► an eye dr I've only have only read about [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it and seen pictures I've never actually [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► used it [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► I've seen videos of it being used but [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► I've never actually tried to use it [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► alright so for all I know this may end [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► up being a 30 second topic but the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► reason I wanted the reason I wanted to [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► bring it up was because when i bought [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► the 335i had expected to hate the eye dr [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► again like I've covered many times it [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► just so happened to be the right card [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the right contrite the right time and so [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► I got it with the eye dr thinking well [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► you know can't hurt and a lot of the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► reviews i read which as it turns out [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► were from a prior edition version of the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► eye dr a lot of the reviews I read said [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► it was a piece of garbage and I went [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► into it kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► piece of garbage and what I've found is [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► that I actually really really like it [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► and I think part of the reason I like it [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► is because i like having that tactical [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► intangible mechanism to manipulate [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► what's on the screen rather than having [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► to reach my arm out and try to touch the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► dashboard and this becomes doubly [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► important if you happen to be going down [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► the road and you're bouncing because you [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► know roads are not perfectly flat and so [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► I meant to look up the physics term [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► behind what this is but i guess like the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► moment are more what I from butchering [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► this but whatever don't email me [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► whatever it is that causes the distance [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that your finger travels to be [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► considerably longer or four are larger [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► than the distance your shoulder travels [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► that makes using a touchscreen when [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► you're in a car driving down the road [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► really really hard and what I love about [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► the eye dr is in case you're not [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► familiar with it [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► there's a circle that [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that that's I don't know about the size [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► of a hockey puck Apple mice were and you [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► can spin that circle in order to move up [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► or down and then you can push that whole [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► circle down in order to say okay and [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► then additionally you can take that [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► whole circle and shift it left right or [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► up or down in order to do kind of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► higher-level operations and so what's [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► really nice is you have this tactical [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► intangible feedback and it's at it's [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► right behind the gearshift so it's right [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► where you want it to be and we could [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► talk about the software here in a second [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► but i just think that it struck me after [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► using it for a month or two that this [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► was so much a better approach than [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► having to reach out and touch a touch [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► screen no matter if it's iphone like [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► with swipes and pinches and zooms no [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► matter if it's a 75 inch touchscreen [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► like some of the new American cars have [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► or if it's a little tiny touch screen it [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► just seemed better to me and then I [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► don't know Marco if you have experience [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► like I don't remember if tips car has [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► never not injure another not it and [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► whether or not it's a touchscreen [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► someone . for you to come looking for [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► you to tell me either on knots or that [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► I'm right [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► so I I think I'm sure John would [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► disagree with me [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► I think you're a hundred percent right [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► on everything you've said so far on that [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► topic at least still not crazy about the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► white supers but you know I so so my I [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► currently because because I've had a [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► quarter life crisis I I currently own [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► three vehicles and in our household we [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► have we have my 328 we have tips is 250 [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► and i have a1 m and that's a sausage at [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► a whole separate topic right there of of [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► the benefits and drawbacks of having [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► multiple cars per person but so might we [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► create doesn't have either that the 1m [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► does and tiffs is250 has the lexus [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► touchscreen system and then recently I [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► spent some time in my father-in-law's [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► new lexus rx350 one of the RX as the the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► biggest movies and and that has a new [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► system which is interesting so i drive a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► BMW is [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► you described a little kind of like ipod [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► like wheel next to the gearshift and [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that works pretty well you know there is [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► limited in like things like entering [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► text where you have to like you like to [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► move it [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► it's almost like picking a number from a [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► rotary phone dial you like to type in [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► text just like turn the wheel around the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► circle and the points to a letter then [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► you pick up by pushing in so that's kind [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► of that kind of sucks [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► other than that though I find I Drive [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► very good because it's very it's very [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► responsive you know when you move that [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► wheel the selection you have on screen [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► it's a very ipod like interface where [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► you have you know depths of menus the [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► selection you have on screen changes [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► instantly even if the thing that it's [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► changing has to load something you get [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that instant immediate user interface [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► feedback that that you know your input [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► was recognized and the wheel itself also [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► has notches [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► so when you're turning it you know I [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► turned two notches going to go two spots [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► and sure enough on screen it does so [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► that's all this feedback in a system [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► that lets you know that you're in [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► control and then it's responding to you [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► is very very important especially since [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you didn't do not just actually were [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► very good . that I didn't even consider [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► so this way you can glance at the screen [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► know that you're trying to go two [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► notches down and look away from the [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► screen slide down two notches and commit [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► and no just like you were saying know [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► exactly where you are exactly and so so [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► for tips is 250 it has the lexus [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► touchscreen thing and not the current [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► generation the one from from a [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► year-and-a-half ago that two years ago [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► whatever that was and lexus always says [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► as a result of me always go into car [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► dealers as much as I can with my family [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► members and teach parents having had a [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► lot of Alexis's over the last 20 years [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► or so and and tiff now having 1 i've [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► been to a lot of lexus dealers and I've [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► been to a few a lot of times and they [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► always are bragging about how their [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► system is got is getting faster and oh [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► this new one is way faster than the old [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► one I have yet to find one that i would [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► consider fast it's kinda like how [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► desktop linux is always getting better [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► but it's never good [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► you know it like it [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► insert android joke here also you know [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► it's it's always on that it's always [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► getting better but you try to use it [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► like oh my god this is terrible so the [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► main problem with with tips touch screen [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► is that it's just so ridiculously slow [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► to respond to everything and it also [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► does not in queue actions that you touch [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► on there so if you are typing in the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► name of a street if you type more than [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► about one letter per second then it will [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► drop the excess ones it will just ignore [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► them as if you didn't type them which is [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► not only very frustrating but it's also [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► a recipe for lots of errors because [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► you'll type in say three letters the [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► middle one will have been ignored and [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► now you have to backspace the second the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► third one that's not the second one is [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► misspelling the street and I don't know [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► I don't know why they think is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► acceptable it is so infuriating to try [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► to use it to just do a basic things like [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► typing in a dress that actually BMW [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► stupid spinning around the wheel system [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► to type in a word might actually be [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► faster most of the time because alexis [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► is just so incredibly slow to respond [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and so that that's the old system the [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► new system now that my father-in-law's [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► new SUV has in the RX 350 they've [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► actually now moved towards kind of a [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► hybrid that the the hybrid . between [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► BMWs iDrive and things like that like I [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► know how he has something very similar [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► to eye dr where they have like a little [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► controller near the near the [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► transmission stick and a few buttons [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► around it and they have that he also has [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► a weird handwriting recognition thing [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► it's kinda like the like the the writing [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► area on a palm pilot where there's like [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► a little square next to their next to a [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► digital controller you can you can [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► handwrite individual letters one at a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► time and it will attempt to recognize my [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► i try to a dealership and it I couldn't [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► type in my own street name i could write [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► it in i tried their speech recognition [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► didn't recognize that I mean I'm not the [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► best speaker in the world but you know [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► syria has no problems with it and so [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► anyway out is at his speech that was [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► anyway so the new Lexus system keeps the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► entire interface from the touchscreen [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► system [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► it looks just like the touch screen [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► system on screen [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► but it's no longer a touch screen now [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the screen is something in way deep far [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► away into the dash almost like almost by [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the by the by the glass of the dashboard [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► it's something in a way deep and they [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► placed next to the next to the shifter [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► like this this kind of hockey puck like [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► d pad controller but it it behaves like [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► a track . on laptops little eraserhead [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► nipple things behave like that were you [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► like you push this little controller [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► around and it moves an on-screen mouse [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► pointer it seriously yeah and that and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► you pick the buttons on screen by moving [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► this on-screen mouse pointer from the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► stick down by your arm it and it this [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► this brings the worst of all systems [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► together into one it has and the [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► interface looks exactly the same they [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► really didn't seem to do any rethinking [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► of the interface as a result of this [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► massive differently massively different [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► new interface it's the same interface [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► that I've seen on every lexus and many [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► toyota's since then and it's just now [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► you have the mouse pointer and a little [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► mouse like thing that you have to use to [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► control it from the stick [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► I don't know what they were thinking [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that sounds terrible [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► it really helps i'm waiting John Fritos [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► to level the two of us and drops a bomb [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► you know just because i haven't used the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► eye dr a certain that certainly not [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► gonna stop me from having an opinion [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► naturally it's so here uh if I had a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► thing with I Drive the current version i [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► think my first complaint would probably [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► be because i have very long arms and [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► because the thing is set back behind the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► shift lever i would probably complain [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► that i bump my elbow when I'm trying [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► like trying to reach back word for it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► because it was my push my arm backwards [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► in my arm hit my the back of my tricep [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► hits the seatback can't go back any [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► farther I have that problem you know [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► we're trying to shift down into like [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► second or fourth or you know 636 little [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► bit farther out where shifters aren't [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► far enough forward for my long you know [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► forearm so when I shift backwards my [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► elbow bump so I would be a pain for me [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► to have to reach behind the shifter for [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► anything because I didn't shifting the [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► second sometimes I feel like I have to [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► do the last bit of the shift into second [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► with with my wrist because i can't bring [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► the arm back any farther you're not i [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► mean what can i say that he likes [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► real-time follow-up yeah [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► many of the new BMW models including the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► new three and six series put the shifter [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► or put the idea of thing a little bit to [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► the right of the shifter not behind it [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► yeah that would be better for reaching [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► but so for I I likely i like the idea of [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► the little little you know notches we [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► can tell how many steps are going but [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► the main problem with all these systems [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and i would agree that a thing with the [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► cursor is like you know we can quote [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► Steve Jobs you see the cursor they blew [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► it what they don't know what they're [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► thinking that's just it's bizarre [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► yeah that's it that's like when you go [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► to the ATM at the bank you see the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► little white windows cursor on the [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► screen okay you know you know it's been [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► a bad day at the ATM or the OS to [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► wherever the hell number 184 unless two [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► of those were the days anyway the main [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► problem with all these things is that [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► they are trying to they're trying to do [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► kind of what Steve Jobs said you know [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► what they like [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► if you make a phone and we have to pick [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► what kind of buttons we have in the [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► front of it we can ever change that [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► until we ship another phone but if we [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► make it all screen and we can have any [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► kind of keep we want a special keyboard [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► for inputting you know domain names in [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the.com button and typing things in [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► America keypad and all the subsoil you [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► know if we put a screen and we just have [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► some cool way to control that screen you [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► know sort of you know we can have some [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► weight if you control so you don't take [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► your eyes off the roads we got a little [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► notches you don't have a picker your arm [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► up like Casey was saying with the head [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► of touchscreen is harder to do that you [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► know the track . people obviously [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► weren't thinking of any of those things [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► but they just wanted to have a screen [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► because i think it's cool to have a [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► screen that the problem with all know is [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► that they all are worse for random [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► access like if i want to turn the fan [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► off or you know just the fan speed to [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► turn the fan off i can do that in my [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► crappy non screen bearing honda's [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► without looking every single time [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► because the fan knob is big [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► I know exactly where it is in order to [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► look through twists all it off like to [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► feel it when it gets the end is the left [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► I could feel how far halfway is I can [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► feel how far fullest no matter how easy [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► it is to me to navigate some stupid menu [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► system on a screen [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► no matter how much I can kind of look at [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► the screen and turn the knob and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► glassware whatever it's never going to [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► be faster than me reaching my hand out [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► for the knob that never ever moves that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► only controls fan speed and twisting it [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► no these things also have always you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► know you don't need to do that on the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► screen I have there is a knob for fans [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► be there is a not for temperature we do [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► put physical buttons for the things but [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► I always question like what kind of [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► things am I going to be doing on the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► screen aside from just looking at [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► obviously flight navigation or something [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► I think anything you do commonly should [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► have a physical control and there's very [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► little i would want to be on that screen [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► even things like turning traction [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► control on and off I'd rather have that [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► is a button on the dashboard because as [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► far as I'm concerned like it's a [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► dashboard we had some it's a literal [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► dashboard put the buttons on it you know [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► what I mean like it's like airplanes [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► what does he have a million buttons or [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► it's a car put you know put them on the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► steering wheel put them where they're [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► easy to reach that's the ergonomics of [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► car interior design [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► I want every single control even the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► obscure ones like cruise control [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► traction control stability control [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► sports setting or the little the little [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► switch on the Ferrari steering wheel to [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► go for the different settings like [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► there's a place for those switches just [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► put them there they'll never move and [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► I'll be able to find more quickly [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► hopefully without looking and then I [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► want to screw with any cabinet face that [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► makes me move the cursor around the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► screen or navigation menu or even touch [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► a touch screen and if you do that then [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► the screen can just be for display [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► purposes and also if you have to do [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► something particularly complicated it [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► can work like a big ipad or something [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► like going to stop trying to like a [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► video call with somebody or whatever you [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► know what I think it's all about a [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► balance here of balancing between fiscal [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► controls and these software based [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► systems that have menus and and [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► different formats and everything and and [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► different factors have made very [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► different decisions in this regard on [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► John I think you'd actually like BMW for [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► this because there are physical controls [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► for almost everything that you just [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► mentioned [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► no I'm looking at looking at the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► interior of the car right now like with [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that you know that they've gone back no [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► direction used to be like hey we can [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► just have a screen that's like now okay [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► well we'll have a screen but also [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► temperature and fan speed okay well [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► screen but also temperature fan speed [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► and cruise control audio screen but [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► temperature fancies cruise control radio [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► presets ok screen but like it's like you [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► just you just reversing until you [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► eventually back to like it [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► I feel like all the energy is going into [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► the stupid screens and they're doing a [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► bad job of the software you know most of [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the car makers are anyway they should [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► just go back to concentrating on making [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► a really good car interior where they [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► decide what is the most important role [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► with the second-most [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► third most how easy is it to find and [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► feel the buttons for cruise control or [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► upshifting or anything on the steering [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► wheel and you know the High Court has a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► comically large volume button in the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► stead center and top of the constant yep [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► i had that the thing is like that is [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► comically large but you know it's kind [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► of like the big a button on the gamecube [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► controller like it's easier to change [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► the volume without looking at the cards [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► also steering wheel controls but like [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► it's just it's kind of nice to go you [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► just you're not gonna miss it you can [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► tell exactly where it is and it feels [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► good to turn it like that's that's a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► good you know a good car interior has [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► kind of features maybe that's not the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► most important role but I think that's [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► what they should be concentrating on [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► pretend there's no screen make the most [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► awesome car into your account you can [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► now add a screen and what additional [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► cool things you can do with the screen [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► obviously navigation and stuff like that [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► but you know if there really is some [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► feature that's too complicated to [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► provide a switch for my can think of [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► anything maybe you could do some sort of [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► complicated airflow control like a [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► minivan or something and you don't have [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► a touchscreen interface for that [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► by all means do it like that but I do [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► not want to like I don't think any kind [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► of on-screen control should be so [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► important that they have to put a [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► control like I Drive like next to the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► shifter like it's never gonna be as [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► important as the shifter in fact i would [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► rather not be interacting with that [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► screen while driving at all possible and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► that's I mean I think again I think [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► you'll be very happy with the BMW's [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► balance struck here where we're almost [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► every common function that you would do [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► except like media navigation and and [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► navigation almost all those things can [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► be accessed with the screen totally off [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► or removed or anything because one thing [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► is at BWW cells at least the previous [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► generation they sold without the screen [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the screen was an option so they had to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► make all the controls for everything and [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► then and butt and then you know alexis [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► has made very different choices here [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► lexus screen is a lot of the temperature [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► and audio controls are only in the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► screen and when we're into this car [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► drives me nuts [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► temperature is only on the screen yeah [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► well-well like that some part of the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► ground like you can there's like a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► temperature up and down button that's [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► that's a hardware button but like a lot [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► of the controls for things like [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► introducing oh yeah i think a lot of [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► that is actually is isn't screen only [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► and it drives me crazy and and then out [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► and we we can't leave the top of talking [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► about the tesla model s are you familiar [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► with the yeah it's a tesla model s [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► basically has I think it's got 11 HR 10 [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► inch screen in the center of the console [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that controls pretty much everything and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► there are almost no other buttons in the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► entire rest of the car and and that this [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► is kind of better design goal of theirs [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► to to have almost no other buttons [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► anywhere else to put everything in this [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► function even things like like the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► powered seat adjustment like everything [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► is in the screen and and their rationale [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► for this which is kind of you know you [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► can understand why they thought this way [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the rationale was we make everything [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► part of this integrated software system [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► thing and then it's easy to update its [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► easy to make it better we can even add [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► features later on as long as the [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► necessary hardware is available to us so [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► that was a noble goal i guess but like I [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► got to sit in one in a showroom in a [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► mall and can actually drive them but you [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► can get the second one a mushroom and I [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► just tried to navigate that screen a [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► little bit and it was because they were [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► relying on the screen for everything it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► was really complicated like the it was a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► very cluttered interface trying to look [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► good and nice but it ended up looking [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► very cluttered and they had through [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► everything in there like you know you [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► could be trying to adjust your seat and [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► accidentally open up a web browser like [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► I don't like it they went way too far in [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► that direction as green screen serves [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► more than one purpose though like the [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► other perp the other important purpose [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that screen serves is to make you feel [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► like you've purchased a futuristic car [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► and I did you know and that sounds [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► cynical and like they're trying to pull [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► a fast one on you but I think that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► actually is legitimate purpose like [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► someone's going to spend a hundred grand [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► on the good you know tesla model s they [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► want to feel like they bought a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► futuristic car and because we all grew [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► up watching movies where the insides of [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► cars look like this they'll don't you [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► have happy customers who would like oh [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► this feels like it will show it off to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► their friends right [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► maybe they'll also be frustrated with it [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► because it's a terrible idea and you [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► need some freakin knobs but like [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► especially for the first model out the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► gate of like that you know the the [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► four-seat sort of [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► you know none that you know not the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► Roadster not the little ones used to [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► make based on the least like this is [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like their mainstream player whatever [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► I mean don't backpedal if they're still [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► around for a couple more generations [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► that touchscreen is going to you you're [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► going to see some knobs or whatever but [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► it's kinda like the original Mac without [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► the arrow keys on the keyboard right [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► it's like it's it's a it's a vision [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► statement of like this is the future of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► driving and it's kind of like you know I [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► i'm making a statement about the future [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► we think that they think so much the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► futures touch screens but they think [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► electric cars of the future so they're [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► gonna make their electric car look [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► futuristic but they got a backslide not [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► because it's just you know no matter how [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► good even if you have apple make bread [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► interface the bottom line is it's a big [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► flat sheet of glass that you have to [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► look at to get anything done that's no [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► well yeah it goes beyond question of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► interface design and now it's simply [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► it's a question of of project management [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and effectively it's like like they [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► they're asking this one screen to do way [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► too much and they could really benefit [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► from a few buttons and they won't do it [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► it's not so instead they haven't is one [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► giant screen they're giving it the job [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► of everything and it's kind of [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► questionable whether it's even possible [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► to make a great interface to that it was [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► it is no there's no physical feedback [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that the place where I think the screens [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► have had a place is and the Tesla does [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► this as well and a lot of other cars or [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► are doing this is replaced the thing [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► that has all like the dials and [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► everything fine replace that with an [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► awesome-looking screen it's sunken it [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► can be in a place where like you know [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► the brightness is in a concern like it's [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► something in the dash and make [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► awesome-looking computerized displays [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► for you know for speedometer tackle and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► stuff and I think of some cars have done [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that was the lexus LFA did this maybe [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► case you know because regular needles [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► couldn't keep up with the reading of the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the v10 engine they have been there it [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► was Edward it would read from us but I [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► kind of believe it because there's no [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► needles lagna fit into some sort of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► physical actual gauge hooked up to the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► red thing it was always lagging behind [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► where was where you can wear a screen [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► can update a you know instantly so that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► type of stuff i think is great for [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► display purposes by all means replace [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► all those stupid dials with a real woman [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► like a retina awesome-looking [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► high-powered a very bright high-contrast [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► display that shows cool stuff and share [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► update that with new software updates [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► for cool speedometers and little things [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► telling you your door opener where the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► hell [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► just I want to put in there but i'm not [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► actually sure i would want that that [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► sounds it sounds like it would be a [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► massive opportunity for them to screw [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► things up [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► it is but they can always fix I mean [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► it's like it's like anything else I mean [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► you've seen some of the physical dials [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that they they're always there forever [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► screwing up a speedometer attack [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► yeah fuel gauge I mean just look at the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► eighties that they're just everybody [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that the linear speedometers with the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► bar graph for those i wasn't gonna do [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► yeah and the digital number like yes [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► people will always screw up the stuff [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► and that's why people like please just [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► give me dials back because these dials [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► are like tried-and-true you can't really [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► screw up that much they're the worst [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► thing you can do is put like a 250 . 50 [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► mile-per-hour speedometer on your civic [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► and then you end up only ever using like [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► you know 30-degree the first 30 degrees [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► of the entire speedometer you spend your [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► time but yeah but well done [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► speedometer with ya based on a screen [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► would be a good idea but that's where I [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► think screens belong not so much in the [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► center console for anything except for [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► like your navigation map and speaking of [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► the media stuff like that's a tough nut [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► to crack and because that's place where [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► you can't get away with a tuning dial [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and presets like you want to be able to [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► help you wanna be able to scroll down to [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► you know your favorite band or your [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► favorite playlists or whatever and the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► only way to do that without a touch [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► screen is to do some sort of voice [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► recognition and they're also forever [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► trying to do that and Apple has a new [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Siri integration with the various car [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► makers and stuff so they'll keep working [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► on that but it's a random access type [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► thing where there's no physical control [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► is going to save you like look you got a [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► billion artist in 20 billion playlist [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► you know the one you want there's no [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► button you can push to get it because [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► you just have too many of you is going [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► to have to scroll or speak or you know [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► have your that the best the best [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► interface to that I've found is just a [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► spouse next to you and talk and then [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► they will sit there on the ipod screen [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► or wherever find it and play it and you [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► never have to take your eyes off the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► road spouse is highly recommended highly [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► recommend what's funny to kind of go [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► back and then forward two step one of [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the things that I've learned about I [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► Drive is that the the initial version [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► that nobody liked that everyone felt was [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► crummy part of the problem we felt that [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► was because there were so few buttons [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► involved in like both of you guys were [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► saying with time they kind of reverted [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► to buttons and so if you were to look at [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► pictures of early i drive systems back [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► . was this the ccc the car communication [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► computer that system usually had only [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► one or two buttons associated with it [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► other than the eye dr stick or whatever [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► it's called itself where is the one that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► I haven't believe it's the same in [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► Marcos uh and it's got the the spinner [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► the stick whatever you want to call it [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► in i want to say five other six seven [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► other buttons so there's a button to go [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► straight to telephone there's a button [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► to go straight to radio to go straight [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► to CD have to go straight to navigation [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► and then there's also a general home [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► button and then there's i think back in [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► an option key as well and that sounds [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► really complex but it actually makes it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► considerably easier in typical tmw [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► fashion that they've actually added way [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► too many buttons for most people but us [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► knows how to get out but that's actually [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► very good point is i'm curious what a [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► non do we would have to say about all [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► this and kinda to that point one of the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► things that I discovered on my car is [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► that it's got what appear to be six [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► radio preset buttons and because I'm a [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► big enough nerd that i've actually read [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► the owners manual once I got in order to [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► learn all these kind of obscure one-offs [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► you can actually have those preset [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► buttons rather than do radio presets be [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► presets to menus and things within the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► eye dr so what I've done is I've set up [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► to call Aaron to call my wife as the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► very first preset so if I mashed down on [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► the first preset it will call Aaron the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► second preset I think sends me home so [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► you know it'll it all to automatically [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► has keyed in my home address and so all [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► i have to do is hit the second button [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► and it's going home [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the third button in this kind of also [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► speaks to software updates actually had [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► to get a not update for the car software [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► update for the car and with that [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► question malarious which is weird but [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► with that came now the car can actually [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► communicate with my iphone and show me [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► text messages on the eye dr now there's [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► a pretty legitimate argument that i [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► shouldn't be reading text messages on [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► the eye dr but be that as it may the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► third button brings me to my messages [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► and then the fourth button i have 4 515 [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► 6 buttons i have for various other and [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► sundry things but i think having those [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► buttons both the ones around the stick [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► to go straight to telephone straight to [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► navigate cetera as well as having those [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► user programmable buttons in that look [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► like radio presets that makes the eye dr [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► that much easier to use and the other [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► thing that I really like having the eye [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► dr for [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and this is kind of building on what you [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► were saying John is is for things that [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► you can't just slam into a teeny tiny [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► display on the dash so in the BMW's it [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► has a little teeny display in the dash [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► but for example if if a tire gets low on [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► pressure or if there's a alarm because [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► it's cold outside rather than just [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► seeing a snowflake in the dash and [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► assuming you know what that means in the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► eye dr can say hey it's 37 degrees out [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► be careful or hey this right rear tires [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► low you should drive 50 miles and no [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► more you should do it at 55 miles an [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► hour no more than that as opposed to [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► just seeing a picture of the car and a [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► red tire in the back and so having that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► be that feedback is really nice and the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► final thing that makes it really really [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► nice is the integration with BMW apps [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► will excuse me [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► BMW Assist which is kind of like they're [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► on star and so that avoids marcos [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► pitfall of doing the rotary phone [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► address styling because what i can do is [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► i can go on google maps find a dress and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► actually have google send that to the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► car so it's waiting for me by the time i [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► get there and if i didn't have any one [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► of these features i probably still like [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► the eye dr but if all of those features [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► went away I think I'd hate it just as [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► much as the earlier drive adopters did [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► and then the other thing I wanted to [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► briefly bring up as I don't know if you [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► guys have looked into this into the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► corvette c7 but John that has the dash [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that you're describing where it's a [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► completely configurable dashboard the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► dashboard so you can have the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► speedometer and tachometer or you can [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► have a g-meter or you can have many [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► other things and I think you can change [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► so that in one view that the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► speedometers huge in the tachometer [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► small maybe if you just cruising around [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► in another you can do the reverse [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► because you're on the track and you care [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► about how quick your shifting not how [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► court went to shift not how quick your [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► going and I think you're absolutely [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► right that really in a perfect world [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► that's where the screen belongs not [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► necessarily in the center of the car I [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► could not disagree more [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► ok why well okay so as a programmer you [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► know is I'd like that it's one more [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► thing to screw up to expand a little bit [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► you know as a programmer generally [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► speaking I hate software and I know that [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► sounds weird but but the reason I hate [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► software is because I know how hard it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► is to get software right and I know how [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► many times for how many products and [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► services the software is so bad and so [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► wrong and and I Drive [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► and and all the navigation system i've [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► seen so far I would not describe any of [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► them is great in fact i would have a [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► hard time even describing most of them [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► is good [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► I Drive I might I might call could but [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you know the reason why you know like [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► you before getting a BMW I i had heard [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► all sorts of things about how horrible i [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► drive was so i went with very low [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► expectations and I've been pleasantly [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► surprised by it like you partially [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► because my expectations are so low but [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► at and partially because while it does [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► have problems and things that don't make [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► a lot of sense about it it has fewer of [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► those things than the other systems that [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► I've tried and obviously between the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► three of us there are a lot of systems [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► that we haven't tried that we can't [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► really speak in the back but there could [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► for all I know there could be a great 1i [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► just have never seen it but the end and [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► I think it's unlikely honestly i think [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► that i think the existence of a great [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► was very unlikely but I think the reason [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► why I wouldn't want the the like gage [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► area of the dash to be just just a big [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► screen that could be configured is [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► because there's a few things 144 like [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► visual organ ominous whatever the right [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► word before this i think it would be [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► hard to make most screen technology get [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► dim enough to look okay at night I think [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► oledb might be the only choice here that [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► would make sense but then those have LED [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► screens have have pretty short lifetimes [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► relatively speaking and color shifts [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► over time as as like the blue pixels [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► fade and stuff like that there's there's [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► problems with LED that would make it bad [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► for something we're supposed to own for [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► you know ten to fifteen years and who [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► else you can't do it like getting dim [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► zeros not the problem problem do the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► reverse being able to be bright enough [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► to be and in readable right I guess I'm [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that's the other problem so yeah but dim [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► isn't a problem but I think for the [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► brightness like it's it's much better [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► off than the LCD got for your navigation [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► because you can really bury those gauges [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► like as a hood over like they're [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► protected there in a little cave I think [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► technology is good enough now to make [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► them really bright and I think even for [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► physical gauges I'm sure we've all [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► driven a car [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► where the physical gauges during a [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► certain time of day become not [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► particularly visible like it's not you [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► know we in turn on the headlights like [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► the back light comes on but they're not [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that visible when you turn off the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► headlights that too dim there's even for [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► physical gauges there's times a day with [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► a difficult to read i think i'm not all [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► display but I mean it depends on what [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► are you ever see the the white on black [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► black my reversing ones that was a trend [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► a couple have a decade of horses yeah [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► let my maxima had those actually yeah [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► those works surprisingly well except for [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► about 15 minutes during the day there [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► was a little wacky but even regular ones [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► can be a little bit weird i think like [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► screen technology is at the point now [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► where they can have less of a weird time [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► because they can totally dynamically [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► adjust much more so than just what we [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► have a physical thing and we can light [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► it from the front and we can write it [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► from the back and we can adjust those [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► who like to but that's it [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► now we've got a complete RGB thing that [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you can really play with in terms of [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► brightness contrast colors everything [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► and you know put through a light sensor [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► on it can detect with its surroundings [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► aren't everything [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► well i think if you if you go really far [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► with it and and you make it more like a [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► computer or like an iPad or something if [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► you go that if you go so far with it [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that people can kind of make their own [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and customize and make their own themes [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and and make their own arrangements then [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► start wearing exactly so it means you [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► could do that then you can rely on [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► people with good taste making these kind [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► of things and post them online so you [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► could use something with that and I [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► think that is the future though I mean [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► like it's like talking about in that [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► blog post i like all these things that [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► used to not have anything to do with [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► software like it's inevitable that [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► software will become an important part [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► of that I know you're saying you hate it [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► because you know how badly everyone does [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► software that's true because all these [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► companies that you should not have to do [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► anything with software or like doing [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► minimal thing with stuff like one got [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► off in the corner was working on [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► software inevitably they will either go [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► out of business or they're gonna have to [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► get good at doing software because this [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► thing they were making it used to be all [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► about everything but software software [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► is going to become an important it's [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► kind of like safety like safety was like [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► yeah whatever you're fine okay final and [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► seatbelts who said we should but now [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► like safety like those huge departments [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► and every car maker dealing with safety [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► and incredibly complicated and they have [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► gained expertise and safety for [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► everything from you know crash [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► protection and the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► the Brazilian airbags are in and a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► pedestrian safety so when you hit a [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► pedestrian and cracked his skull in the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► hood of the car like if you had said all [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that you know safety they're never gonna [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► be good at forget like they'll have to [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► gain expertise so I think this is [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► inevitable and it right there most of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► them have been disgusting but I think [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► now they've been doing these software [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► dashboards displays long enough to to do [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► a competent job of kind of like the eye [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► dr thing where like a touch screen set [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► like to look at the video case you put [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► in the thing you're showing this [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Corvette one now granted the entire [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► corvette is I would say not taste of all [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► let's say that everyone can email you [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► about that because I agree with you but [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► I wasn't brave enough to say it yeah i [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► mean that's kind of the Corvette's thing [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► that wasn't it's not like it's not [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► trying to be understated and classy it's [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► like no this is a big red hot wheels car [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► that you drive and the dashboard thing [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► looks like that and that's I think [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that's a branding opportunity that [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► they're taking you know you want to feel [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► like a boy racer in this car [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► well here's a friggin boy racer gauge [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► cluster take a look at it i mean i think [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► they're pulling it off I mean you know [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► again this is I think this is the first [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► generation we're doing is really [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► configurable thing but you know give it [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► 5-10 years and I think this will have [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► settled down such that when you driving [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► your little toyota corolla with your LCD [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► display thing about that's fine [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► like you want it you know what when our [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► kids are driving they won't think for a [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► second about the the thing that they're [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► looking at between this the steering [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► wheel could be any different than what [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► see I don't know because I mean I can [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► see going either way you know it going [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the other direction [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► what you mentioned earlier about how [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► back in the seventies and eighties when [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► everything kind of went all digital and [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► then we can step back from that I think [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► that same thing could happen here with [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► these dashboard gauges and stuff over [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► the next five or ten years like we could [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► be right now the technology has finally [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► become cheap enough that a lot more cars [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► can start adding it and they are but [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► then like you know in five years it's [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► gonna be very commonplace and probably [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► probably will have gone too far in that [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► direction we're going to step back and [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the other thing is like this to me it's [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► like what the gauges have to do is a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► pretty simple job really like I i really [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► have have never will be making your [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► changes in Michael you're just thinking [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► of what they do now [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► it's like Casey said well here and we're [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► the generation where when your oil needs [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► to be changed a little wrench light [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► lights up in the dashboard or you know [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► like the little picture of a car but [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► this trunk open comes on and like yeah [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► what else do you need to do well if you [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► have a screen and not like well okay [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► you've got 775 square inches you have [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this many and this is how much room you [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► have for indicator lights and when this [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► is wrong this light comes on and this is [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► long we just have an oil light or [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► whatever like if you have a screen you [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► can do so much better than that and i [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► think it will look barbaric to say like [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► you know something appears on the screen [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► that looks like a little wrench to tell [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► you that you have to bring your car in [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► or check the check engine light like the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► fact that there's light why would just a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► check engine why wouldn't it be more [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► specific like if it knows you know [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► something's rights of all that you only [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► have room for how many lights is you [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► know look at your look at your dashboard [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► see all those little dimmed lights a [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► little hieroglyphics with no words [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► because they have to be localized and [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► everything that's that's what software [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► is for to not have that do not have a [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► million different little cutout light up [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► things but instead to be able to just [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► tell you i mean i don't think it's a [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► you're right this is gonna be some [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► exuberance and ridiculousness and I [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► think like the Tesla is an example of [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► that like you know not you know the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► first generation is always going to be [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► silly kind of like the first generation [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► of a people who had access to word [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► processors that could use fonts and went [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► crazy and every single newsletter 8,000 [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► flights in it right but we settled down [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► right and we didn't settle down by going [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► back to you know movable-type right we [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► settle down by just taking the tools [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that we had and and getting them under [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► control so i don't think that it's not [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► like physical controls vs busy and we're [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► talking about something you just look at [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► its justin information display this is [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► gonna be a screen and then there's not [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► gonna be any backsliding two gauges [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► well I have 53 counter-arguments one is [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that again I i really do doubt that they [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► will be tastefully designed and I think [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► that's a bad thing somewhere eventually [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► maybe Facebook for years so that's one [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► number two is you know I think making [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► this all software will inevitably make [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► it more complicated and and more to deal [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► with you know like it's going to be [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► there's gonna be some things that's [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► going to do worse than the gauges at [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► least for the first few generations [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► the technology catches up to the old [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► analog the way technology always does [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► like there's like maybe it'll be less [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► responsive maybe the screens are just [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► too too low resolution to look very good [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► maybe they won't have enough of a of a [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► brightness range and i'll be a tube [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► right attitude in the day like there's [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► gonna be a lot of these problems [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► number three is because it's because [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► this thing is now software-based you now [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► we'll have more potential ways of [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► failure here now I don't I have rarely [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► seen an important gauge fail in the [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► first like 15 years of any cars life [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► ahead they they do eventually fail [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► sometimes but it takes a long time and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► you know gauges pretty reliable to give [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► you a point of comparison i have i have [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► nest thermostats in my house and and one [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► of the nest thermostats and you know the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► nest thermostat is basically around the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► thermostat with a big round LED LCD [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► screen in the middle of it that a is all [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► software-based and it's all cool [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► computerized but now one of my [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► thermostats has two rows of hot pixels [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► now that's a problem that most people [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► never have and it most people will never [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► have that problem of having to worry [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► about dead pixels on their thermostat i [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► have that problem my thermostats get [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► software updates [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► you know that's not another weird thing [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► I have to worry about like there's [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► there's more more complexity when you [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► make something that was a simple device [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► into a software computer device and so [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► the more you get more features out of it [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► to me that everything that's happening [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► yet everything in our lives just think [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► of your television [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► I never used to get software updates on [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► our television when I was a kid you turn [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► the TV on it got a picture didn't you [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► adjusted the rabbit ears and turn the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► dial from 213like working and that all [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you're gonna have software can be [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► complicated now might even get software [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► updates yeah it's way more complicated [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► and and flakier and more annoying but [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► boy it does help a lot more than my TV [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► with the rabbit ears and that's that's [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► how that's how technology goes like it [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► is more complicated [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► there's more things that can go wrong it [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► seems a little bit silly it's different [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► than what it used to be but in exchange [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► for that you're getting something better [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you're getting something better than the [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► little wrench light you're getting [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► something better than the check engine [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► light and yet you're getting something [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► like that crazy theme where the little [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► Corvette gauges fly average or whatever [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► amazing privilege but people like that [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► stuff i mean people like body cladding [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► on their cars like that doesn't serve [TS]