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00:00:00 ◼   ► did you guys ever go through a bra phase [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► know and I please don't tell me you did [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► this is all I did I don't know when we [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► start these are we are talking about [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► cars yes the way anyways equally and [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► better maybe the car one is worse i [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► would agree with so an episode 1i I told [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► you how when I i bought a $YEAR honda [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► accord it was my first brand-new car [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► that ever bought and the car is so [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► before that I had spent some time with a [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► maxima and and before that my sister's [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► borrowed corolla and in both cases [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► especially the corolla I did a lot of [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► highway driving and the the hood we just [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► get so chipped the paint on the hook [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► just get so chipped on that front edge [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► just from various like tiny rocks that i [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► wouldn't even notice while driving but [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it was it was just spotted so I'm wear [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► with your driving this car just on [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► highways but you know in Pennsylvania [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► where that you know where winter exists [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► so it in you know that they were the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► maximum wasn't as about the corolla [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► either it was a 98 corolla I don't know [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► if it was something about the design of [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► the aerodynamics or something or if it's [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► just the paint was especially bad or or [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► fragile i don't really know but just [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► tons and tons of speckle marks on the [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► hood [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► remember the paint chipped away from [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► from minor road debris and and so when I [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► bought my my accord i thought you know i [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► want i want this thing to be pristine [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► and you know it everyone does is like [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► buying the you know the undercoating [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► protection or you know whatever scamming [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► come up with you everywhere definitely [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► do this but you can continue well you [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► know people it's the it's the reason why [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► extended warranties sell so well and why [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► people occasionally are convinced retail [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► buy gold plate you have an analogy that [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► I think is applicable but you're [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► finished okay well so here I i just [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► bought this my first new car and I [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► wanted to protect and I wanted to stay [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► perfect as long as possible and i was so [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► paranoid about speckling up the hood [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► from from road debris that I i purchased [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► a car bra and and not even just like [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► just the part that goes on the hood [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► little like [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► little tiny rectangle know the whole [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► front like you know hood and then all [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► the way around the headlights and around [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► the whole lower you know bumper thing [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► and oh my god and I kept it is the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► problem with this I kept it on there and [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► it was a black car with a black bra so [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it didn't look as bad as it could have [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► but the main problem with with the car [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► bra is that dirt and stuff can get under [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► it and I knew this and fortunately that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► didn't end up being a problem but you [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► know if if dirt gets under it then the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► bronze like scraping all that dirt [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► around like holding it against your page [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► and it actually makes way worse damage [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► if you don't take care of it if you [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► don't you take it off clean and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► everything but I was in an apartment [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► building with street parking there was [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► no garage me to take you know take all [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► this car maintenance in like they're [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► there was nowhere for me to easily take [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► it off wash it let it dry and put it [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► back on so i just never did so I left it [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► on there for like six months [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► eventually i get i got so paranoid about [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► dirt being trapped under that I just [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► took it off and it just never put it [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► back on and i sold it dirty somebody [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► else somebody anybody eight and that [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► ended in my car brought face I know it's [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► a boring story but it was just this this [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► momentary lapse in judgment [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► I mean the whole car was a lapse in [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► judgment to some degree but so so you [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► guys did not have it where you were [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► never tempted to protect the front of [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► your car with a bra well let me let me [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► jump in real quick and answer this by [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► asking John would you like to look for [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► new co-host with me [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yeah he was a Windows user to do you [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► know that at this address is on there [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► are so many yeah well I don't know how I [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► associate with both of them but this is [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► both there's a dark past marcos dark [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► past we're gonna we're gonna put this [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► like windows was my number one but now [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the car bras like is a rising up the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► chart it was it was a little rough so [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► here's my analogy for the car bra right [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► i liken it to the screen protector [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► things you can buy for iOS devices [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► little clearer things that you put us [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► back on the front really not just the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► screen but also the way ever see those [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► clear things that stick onto the back or [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► yeah I briefly used one on the iphone 4i [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► yeah it's all tense and it gets worse [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► the way workers like the the motivation [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► for these things like if you think about [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► if you think it through [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► you can usually talk about it before you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► do it so the motivation is I don't want [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► my car to look ugly it's mostly an [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► aesthetically you don't want the stone [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► chips on your car whatever are on your [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► iOS device you don't want scratches [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► right to sell put this thing on and that [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► will protect the the paint on my car the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► screen on my thing that the back on my [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► iphone or ipad and that way it won't get [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► damaged but all those things you put on [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► your car make it ugly so to prevent your [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► thing from your iPad or iPhone a car [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► from being ugly you intentionally make [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► it ugly you can kind of think okay I'm [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► intentionally making ugly but underneath [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that ugliness I sleep better knowing [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that there's a clean pristine paint [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► surface or whatever but that's not even [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► true as Marco pointed out that's not [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► even sure we do that anyway because it [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► you get dirt under there and even if you [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► clean it for carbon specifically even if [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► you clean out the grit and actually you [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► do preserve it actually is pristine [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► anything UV will eventually change the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► color of the rank on the rest of the car [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► but not that part of the course when you [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► take it off you would literally have a [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► bra [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► tan line and then maybe that's not a bad [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► these days they used to be so basically [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► to try it in your your well-intentioned [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► effort to make your car not be ugly you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► are intentionally doing yourself from [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► day one having a hideously ugly and [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► embarrassingly you know strange-looking [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► car so just say no to car bras people [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► well and ND it and the really sad part [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► is that when that car was nine months [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► old somebody back into the door and I [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► it's outdoor bra you have wrecked your [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► door from that yeah and for the iOS [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► things you know those clear films they [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► just they get much more scratched up and [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► ugly and disgusting than the glass would [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► so you're better off just you know what [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► you know why immediately give yourself [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► an ugly thing why not use it so look [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► where it looks the best and if you [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► happen to scratch so be at least you got [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► to use it in this pristine beautiful [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► save up until then instead of just [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► immediately getting it and sticking [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► something on making a gross [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► well I do have a moment of fu and i'm [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► very excited that I can be the one to [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► say that and I'm opening up the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► floodgates by doing some fu because i [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► know john is way did you know that [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► you've gotten my agreement my license [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► agreement for doing follow-up on a [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► podcast no lawyers get in touch with you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah I'm sure we can work [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► something out my term hungry equitable [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► it's a very reasonable [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► what is this strand yeah so I have some [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► lag behind not follow up at lag behind [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► the first thing is I'm gonna try to make [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► this really quick [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► peter van broke joven if i read that [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► correctly was the first that i saw to [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► point out to us that the ford probe is a [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► monster MSC mx6 excuse me I think I was [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► on the right track to 626 and i decided [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► i was wrong but as it turns out it is [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► the mx6 wastegate vs blow off at [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► whatever you get past the toxics is [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► mechanically identical to the amex is [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► just as different skin on it so you're [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► pretty much right to thank you [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► alright i will allow that way state vs [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► blow off valve we got a lot of [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► complaining about how i didn't know what [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► i was talking about which was justified [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► a hell of a second look I saw the same [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► feedback as you you think that's a lot [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► of complaining haha [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► welcome to the internet case yeah [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► seriously i I'm new here be gentle but [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► Sojo writer i believe [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► re utr was the first person I see to let [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► us know via tweet the difference and he [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► said also blow off valve in wastegates a [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► very different things blog about [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► regulates pressure on the intake side [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► wastegate does it on the exhaust and I [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► could elaborate on that because i have [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► since done research but I want and then [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► why the super motor in the toyota biru a [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► lot of people pointed out that boxer [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► engines inherently our God configured in [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► such a way that they can sit really low [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► in the car which is part of the reason [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► why the Toyota brew handles so well yeah [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► we did we know that horizontal opposed [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► to think we said that on the show I [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► still the question remains in my mind [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► anyway what my group superb i'll be at [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► the whole point is I don't like [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► horizontally-opposed engine i don't [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► think that yes they have a lower center [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► of gravity but they don't make nice [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► noises and if they were such a great [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► idea everyone would be doing them and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► not just subaru it's kinda like the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► Wankel you know exactly what they have [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► many advantages the interesting [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► of the interesting characteristics of [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the Wankel but I say my question still [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► stands it's not i would prefer to have [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► toyota's best high-revving small car [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► engine in that car in that thing instead [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► of a superpower . so i don't really care [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► the center of gravity is lower [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► yeah i agree with you but I mean it is [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► what it is so that's all the lag behind [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► not follow up that I had I don't know if [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► you guys would like to contribute or if [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► we could go ahead with marcos question I [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► can't believe we're we've become [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► follow-up show already i was trying too [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► hard to avoid the case all I didn't want [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► to do it either case against and only [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► have one thing through twitter i'm [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► talking about the four-door sports car [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► nissan maxima and I and I was saying how [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► like it how can i get away with saying [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► oh it's the four-door sports cars if [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► it's summer I cool new thing as if [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► sports sedans never existed before and I [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► mentioned the BMW 2002 someone Twitter [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► pointed up 2002 was a coupe 2-door is [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► not four doors so i will amend that to [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► from instead of a 40 s CL amended to SS [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► s SI sedan shape sports car haha because [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► it was like she doesn't look like you [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► know box in front box and back box the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► middle but it did have two door so there [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► you go [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► we could not then now that we've done [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that if you can call that stuff out [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► are you gonna censor yourself let me go [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► ahead and bring that [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► yeah obviously he's honest he's doing [TS]

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00:10:50 ◼   ► to create an excel [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► personal website i assigned both of you [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► homework and I saw myself homework as [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► well and I never did homework in school [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► but at least it for this I'm curious to [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► know how did you guys first of all did [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► you do your homework I did I did under [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► protest [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► ok that's good that there's no better [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► way to do homework the assignment I gave [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► us was for each of us to come up with [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► our answer to what car available today [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► and it could be new or used but just [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► have to be generally available you know [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► these days what car year model and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► configuration do you think is the best [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► value for general-purpose long-term [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► ownership and that the limit was let's [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► let's try to keep it under 25,000 the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► lower the better and and or you know the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► lower without frequent maintenance or [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► severe limitations so you know it like a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► smart car is really cheap but it has [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► severe limitations and you know if you [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► get you can get like a 1992 nissan [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► maxima for for a pretty good price these [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► days way under 25,000 but that's [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► probably gonna require frequent [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► maintenance so you know reasonably young [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you know not to ancient of a car so what [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► do you what do you think [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► who wants to go first Casey okay i guess [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► i would like to go first please America [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► so i have two answers and they both suck [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► because you guys are going to just [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► berate me for them but most let's now a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► trend that we've already started so hey [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► why not continue if I had to pick just [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► 1i I landed on the 2013 impress a [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► hatchback the subaru impreza hatchback [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► portion of course I did rob firstly can [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► get it why I mean it's under 25,000 in [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► fact the 1i built was twenty 2523 [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► dollars you can get it with the stick it [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► is not very quick which is definitely a [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► demerit but the reason i thought it was [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► a good deal was it's a hatchback that's [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► reasonably fun ish [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► for under 25 grand that's brand-new now [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► if i could quickly give my alternate [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► answer and then you can bring me my [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► alternate answer is basically my old [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► Subaru but in wagon form so for a couple [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► years when the 05 I think it's like a [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► five through seven or maybe 06 you could [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► get a subaru legacy gt as a wagon with a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► five-speed and so that would be my [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► second choice and actually found one on [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► autotrader for thirteen thousand nine [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► hundred dollars for with 63,000 172 [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► miles on it and that was not well it's a [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► little bit rare but that is not white [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► and it is a wagon and I don't think I [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► would ever personally drive either of [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► these cars because it is my light and [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► well write exactly know I'd probably [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► never drive them because i don't care [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► for hatchbacks and if i was going to get [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► a wagon i would get one that was [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► probably a little bit more ridiculous [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► obnoxious or quicker but either way that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► as an all-around her can do all things [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► for all people that's what I would pick [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► you recommend two cars that you wouldn't [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► by correcting it maybe you do like [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► horizontally-opposed engine we just get [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► through this guy down the Honorable [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► shifters and the supers and you're going [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► to get a legacy with the sticks that you [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► can actually that rubbery feeling every [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► day but i believe i said mashed potatoes [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► are excused you wouldn't through spoon [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► through mashed potatoes but yes [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► everything you just said is accurate [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► yeah my mother complained about the the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► impreza is I mean maybe if you're [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► getting like a fancy i know that the and [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► maybe getting a fancy GTI so like 25 [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► grand for a hatchback even when it's [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► brand-new I can't [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► it may be attached back bias in the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► European listeners are probably think [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► we're all crazy because I know [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► hatchbacks are what it's all about in [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► Europe but that is something in our [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► water here in America 25 grand for a [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► hatchback makes me go [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► yeah I don't know and I actually agree [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► with you but like I said that theory was [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► all things to all people so i could we [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► get you know this hypothetical person [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► could haul things but would still have [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► fun when they're not hauling things so [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► it fixing things that's American to you [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► that is American actually you're very [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► right hatchbacks really don't hold very [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► much like you know they they have the [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► shape of a vehicle that holds a lot and [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► and their the hatchback itself does lend [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► some versatility to to the you know the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► size of items you can fit into the car [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► but the overall volume that you have to [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► transport things in most of the compact [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► hatchback is actually pretty small [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► yeah i would say that's true yeah i like [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► the old hatchbacks used to have more [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► remember the old integra hatchback low [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah the hatchback was a different shape [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► it was more like more horizontal so you [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► could crack the hatch back open like a [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► big open pacman mouth and you can fish [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► huge stuff in there but now when the [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► back for a little bit more vertical [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► there's only so much extra room you can [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► get by having that the you know the the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► hatch open a crack or you can spend like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► 70 grand on an audi a7 which does have [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the old shape not that different class [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► of car [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► yes I suspect it's not attracting any of [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the same behind it snow [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► so John what was what was your pic so my [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► protest about this thing is that the [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► question is like that's the value but it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► doesn't go it doesn't explain what that [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► means about us i was part of the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► question you have to decide what value [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► means for you but then you added a bunch [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► of words after that was a general [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► purpose and long-term ownership was kind [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► of trying to define value for me but you [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► still have the word value in there so I [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► didn't like the selection criteria and [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► in protest [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► I've also selected two cars that's fine [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► i think 30 so i have the actual correct [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► answer to this question as phrase just [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► to get it out of the way the actual best [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► value for general-purpose long-term [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► ownership for 25 grand is a 2013 honda [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► accord sedan sport it is the best [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► all-around car you can get having sizes [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► have never driven one and have only [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► briefly seen one but i am a very big [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► record been having onto so far and the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► specs on this thing I just you know [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► crazily better than that President it's [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► got obviously got more room to carry [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► people you're talking about [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► general-purpose long-term ownership you [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► know a lot of people reproduce in this [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► country and that means you're gonna have [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► to find someplace to put their little [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► people and you don't want them in the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► back of a hatchback [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► it's got all sorts of crazy amenities [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that like I didn't think would come with [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► like that you know this is not the fancy [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► accord this is the four-cylinder 1 290 [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► horsepower which is fine but 6-speed [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► manual of course an active noise [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► cancellation and you know the the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► touchscreen thing is is a standard you [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► know the picture for that thing a tire [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► pressure monitoring system and all these [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► things that used to be like things are [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► not trickling down to the into like [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► basically the basic chord [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► and it looks nice and it's got 18 inch [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► alloy wheels so it doesn't look like you [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► know the cheap thing with the wheel [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► covers on top of it this is it all [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► around just a really great general [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► purpose car and it comes with a [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► five-speed that will not drive you crazy [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► that these sisters these things are [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► actually nice honda makes a nice stick [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► have known as dual zone automatic [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► climate control things that I didn't [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► expect to be interesting rear-view [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► camera standard Bluetooth all the the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► ipod connection like you're basically [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► getting a very very very very poor man's [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► BMW like it has all the amenities [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► features that you want to just massively [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► lower performance and not quite as nice [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► but it's 25 grand and this thing is [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► gonna run forever and it's you know the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► repair across your lower much lower than [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► your BMW yes i know you get free [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► maintenance of the first whatever years [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► but so this that's the correct answer if [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you have 25 grand you want the best [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► long-term car for value it's the current [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► generation honda accord sport you can [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► get the luxury ones this stuff too but [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► you're not getting that much more for [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► that money my second choice if you [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► define value slightly differently and I [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► think you probably should define value [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► slightly differently if for a puzzle [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► like this is find yourself a 1993 acura [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► nsx and that while I found two of them [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► for four under 25 grand just to prove [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► that I'm not like making this up and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► saying what you can probably find 1i [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► found two of them one of them is red and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► one of them is black [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► this car has many advantages first of [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► all since it's in a sex was probably [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► owned by somebody who took care of it [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► like it's not going to beat the hell [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► like an Indian 93 core idea people who [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► bought the sensex originally we're [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► probably gonna be nice to the car is [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► extremely reliable so it's not going to [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► be like a temperamental exotic where you [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► have to repair the thing constantly like [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it's hot underneath there it's it's a v6 [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► engine not too powerful 270 horsepower [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► but it does run to 60 in five seconds I [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► didn't read the mileage on the court but [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► the the NSX is 19 city 24 miles per [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► gallon highway and the the cord is 2434 [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► this is an incredible mileage and what [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► are you getting for 25 grand you're [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► getting to drive basically every day and [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► you can't drive this every day and [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► exotic car people are going to turn [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► their head when you drive by and you [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► only paid 25 grand what other but what [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► other situation can you drive a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► head-turning car the ghost engine 16 [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► five seconds for 25 grand Acura NSX is [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the more interesting answer [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► I gotta say I was not expecting that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that's that's really interesting I you [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► know that I've I really don't know [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► anything about the NSS can accept that [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► everyone is obsessed with that but I [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► really don't know anything about it [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► sounds like a pretty good deal thanks [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► it's a fast car it could get good [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► mileage is reliable and it's mid-engined [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► looks exotic right that is a very good [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► pic yeah and i actually just saw one [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► recently the other day and I parked next [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► to it in the back corner of the whole [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► foods parking lot and definitely took a [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► picture of my car next to it because i [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► couldn't resist but it is a very [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► interesting pick it but it's also in [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► some regard a little bit of a boring pic [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► and hear me out for just one second i [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► would all on as as those kinds of cars [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► go the NSX is is from what I've [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► understood a very livable everyday car [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► died and i completely agree with you [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► there John but it's also i don't know [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► it's the it's a little bit boring isn't [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► it in the sense that it's not if you're [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► going to go for an exotic i went to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► great what the world is boring out these [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► email case it yet don't email me holy [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► crap know what i mean by that is it if [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► if I was gonna go for a cheaper exotic i [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► would probably go the route of like a [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► lotus or something like that which is [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► about the same speed but probably more [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► possible in actually knew what those not [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► gonna want any 25 grand Lotus you can [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► find you're not gonna want to drive to [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► work everyday you now wait hold on and [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► the current generation you're not going [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to the suspension is just going to talk [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► to you it's not it's you know it's a [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► tiny heart racing cars is not going to [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► be comfortable you're like this is why I [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► think of it if you plan to have a family [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► you get the cord if you are dedicated to [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► being single and are only gonna have one [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► of the person in the car you get the nsx [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► you can drive that you know until the [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► engine seizes up i do have to argue one [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► thing with you John so you paste these [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► links in and i'm looking at them and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► both of the NSX is that you found which [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► both cost pretty much exactly $25,000 [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► both have well over a hundred thousand [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► miles on that's actually a good thing [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► because if you has another article have [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► a car driver article about how to find a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► good used nsx and they said there's a [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► particular problem with the transmission [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► and if it's gonna go bad it's gonna go [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► bad sometime you know before 50,000 [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► miles so you want to find [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► once with high mileage because they're [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► fine okay i'm getting an advantage i [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► don't know if i could if i could spend [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► 25 grand on a car with a hundred and [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► forty thousand miles on it it's a honda [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► though it's not like you're getting a [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► Ferrari with 100,000 miles and it's [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► gonna be there gonna be gentle miles [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► like it's the people who like that [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► people buy these people by nsx to drive [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► gently [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► yeah well they take care of them and you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► know that it's I think you'll be [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► surprised like if you look at the people [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► who buy fancy Ferraris and everything [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► like that they people who buy a corolla [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► beat the hell out of that car way more [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► than people buy a Ferrari know it's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► sitting here listening to your ear [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► I'm coming around I think you make some [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► pretty good . it is it is an interesting [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► pic but I I would [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► it's interesting pic 44 like the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► emotional value like the like the you [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► like like when you when you choose cars [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► with your crotch rather than your brain [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► well no but i think this is what the [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► brain too because it's not you're not [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► buying like an old Ferrari that's gonna [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► just fall apart on you or like it you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► know an old British car with the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► electrical systems in costly failed this [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► is a comfortable reliable daily commuter [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► type car and by the way this has a 18.5 [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► gallon fuel tank that's pretty big for a [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► car that size actually I'm saying [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► mileage usual that you could cruise cost [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► cross-country in this thing you would [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► look cool the whole time you did it and [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► you'd be comfortable [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► it's got its got everything 25 grand all [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► right now that's an interesting pic I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► can get behind this I think I spoke too [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► soon [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► this is a pretty good pick just one of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► our you get an impressive you know what [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► one of these niggas nobody has those [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► well so I I've got a totally different [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► direction than the nsx with my pic and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► it's going to sound very familiar my pic [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► by far you know for Best Value [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► general-purpose long-term ownership i [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► think john is $PERCENT right that you [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► should probably be looking at a honda [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► accord however honda accords because i'm [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► not really sure what all the reasons are [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► behind us but they have terrible [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► residuals and and by that i mean they [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► lose value very quickly for the first [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► few years after they are new so I'm more [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► quickly than you'd expect for carpets [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that says as good and reliable isn't as [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► a Japanese sedan [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► so my pic is actually a used 2010 honda [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► accord EXL v6 with a six-speed [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► at with navigation blue book retail on [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► these is only 17,000 and because honda [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► accord [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► they're everywhere you'll be able to [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► find it in exactly what the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► configuration you want exactly the color [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► you want you can probably even choose [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► the dealer you want to go to like that [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► there that common and so you know for [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► 17,000 it's a v6 accord so it's faster [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► than Syracuse's it's only a 2010 model [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► it's probably you know it's figure it's [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► about three years old is probably gonna [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► have like thirty thousand you know the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► numbers i'm not sure it's faster v6 2010 [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► versus the the current generation [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► four-cylinder look up the speeds if it's [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► faster i would be surprised if it's [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► faster by much [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► ok maybe I i didn't i didn't check that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► so so something like that is what what's [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► different with the new four-cylinder is [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► a turbocharger just bigger or what is [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► more horsepower and I mean the thing is [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► the v6 is more powerful but the car [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► weighs more as well and like something [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► right 46 in every night it's probably [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► faster but it's it may be close [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► well so what you get with this so for 48 [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► thousand dollars less than than your [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► pick of the new SE model you get all of [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► the luxury options you get like you [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► because the EXL with that so the elves [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► leather so you get the leather seats [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► both sides i believe are powered you get [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► all sorts of like fancy cool stuff that [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► you don't get on the lower trim levels [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► and it's a v6 available with a six speed [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► or automatic if you if you want to go [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that route but you know [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► come on we're going with a six-speed and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► it has a navigation system and that's [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► for seventeen thousand dollars for a car [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► that is very reliable has you know and [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► is likely to have well under 40,000 [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► miles probably you know 25 to 45 that's [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that's going to be really hard to beat [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► for general-purpose value 2013 has more [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► luxury features except for leather seats [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► and i would actually argue that I mean [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► maybe it's because I'm used to poor [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► man's cars but I like cloth seats better [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► than leather seats unless the leather [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► seats are heated because leather seats [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► are cold in the wintertime and i also [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► find them slippery so I like closets but [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► I mean like does this thing as all it [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► doesn't you know your things not going [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► to have like pandora internet radio or [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► Bluetooth stuff for your ipod connector [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► or USB audio jack or anything like that [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► it actually probably will have ipod and [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► USB in 2010 and I think they did have [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► at rear view camera i mean i don't but [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► they they're adding these fancy luxury [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► features in in the sport model I at 18 [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► inch alloy wheels maybe you have that I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► think that the v6 might have come with [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► alloy wheels but i think it's like it's [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► a good contest in terms of what is very [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► luxury features but the one thing that [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► you are as that that your car doesn't is [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► the new car smell and its crew will [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► somebody get it wasn't refreshers it is [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► a big difference in price like if you if [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► you gave me the money like it you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► probably go for the cheaper one and keep [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► the extra grand but if they say you have [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► 25 grand to spend and whatever you don't [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► spend you just lose it's probably better [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► going up to 8,000 right get you the [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► accord is an interesting car and you in [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► general and I guess this is as good a [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► time as any to bring this up in general [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► when you when you deck out a car with [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► options or with with higher trim levels [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you pay a lot for it upfront and then [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► re-sell it's not worth that much so it [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► generally speaking it's a really usually [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► a really good deal to either get a new [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► car with no extras on it or to get a few [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► years old one with all the extras [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► usually for less money because you know [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► if it depends what you're going for like [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► some people especially driving purists [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► that they want to cart away as little as [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► possible so they don't want a whole [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► bunch of of heavy luxury features like [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► like powered seats because that adds [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► weight they wanted to be a stripped-down [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► as possible and that's fine i'm not one [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► of those people at all [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► I I want every luxury feature that that [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► the car supports and even i'll try to [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► bolt on additional ones if i can [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► actually added an aux inject my maxima [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► that's another story [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► so you know I i want i want all the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► luxury features and you cannot beat the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► value of getting those on like a [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► three-year-old car instead of instead of [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► brand-new that's actually exactly true [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► and if you let me interject like that's [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► exactly what I did with my BMW is you [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► know like i said it's a 2011 and I got [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► it in the fall of $YEAR of $MONTH 2012 [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and i believe was built in December 2010 [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► and it is a pretty well loaded three [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► series and it has almost all the bells [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► and whistles accept an automatic because [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► I like driving and I got it for [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► something like 20 grand less than the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► sticker price just a couple years before [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► i don't remember exactly what the Delta [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► was but it was it was significant and [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and I because of that I was able to get [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► into a much nicer car than i would have [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► been that I would have chosen to buy you [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► know if I tried if I spent the same [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► money on a new car wouldn't have gotten [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► something nearly as nice and actually I [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► don't have it in front of me but a [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► listener and written in asking hey if [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► I'm about to get a new car or my first [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► car what should i get and I apologize [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► because I don't have your name handy but [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► this is I think Marcus . is excellent [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► that in my experience having bought new [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► and bought lightly used i would go [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► lightly used every time because it gets [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► you into a whole new class of car that [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► that's considerably nicer in most cases [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► and because look at the pictures in this [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► the 2010 accord is that was the bad one [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► though I thought it was back in my [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► generation but no that's the bad one [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► what's better i know people said it was [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► too big besides that what did people [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► dislike about it I the one I drove was [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► automatically automatically was terrible [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► Thank You singer with a stick but like [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► it was kind of ugly and kind of like [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► they lost the accordionist they lost the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► tight snappy nimbleness and it actually [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► felt more like big car that's you know I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► I felt the things that annoy me about is [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the ergonomics are often the automatic [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► was terrible [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► oh you know what a little bit bigger I [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► know why I picked that year in [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► particular because when the new [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► generation you can't get a stick with a [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► v6 anymore ride but the previous [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► generation you couldn't even cheaper [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► maybe go down like you know the bride [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► before that redesign get the basically [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► the same generation i have but get the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► v6 with a stick that would probably be a [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► better choice yeah but you know but then [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it would be older and would be no [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► possibly more maintenance than that a [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► 2010 model but still I mean it isn't [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that the point is I think having bought [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► used cars having leased cars and having [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► bought new cars and especially haven't [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► bought a new record I think buying an [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► accord new for the most part is not a [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► great value because they lose so much [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► value in their first year like when we [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► had an accord was a two thousand four [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► chord I think and it was totaled in an [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► accident and like a like a year after we [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► got or maybe a year and a half two years [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► after we got it [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► and with the insurance money that we got [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► for the car being total plus 1,000 of [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► our extra money we got a brand-new [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► current generation Accord was like a [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► year and a half two years later [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► all we had to kick him with an extra [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► thousand dollars to get a brand-new we [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► got the same color to like that you know [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► two model years up one or two model [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► years up front we got this so that's [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► pretty much the same options i was [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► actually but it was actually better [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► options because we got the special [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► edition with like yeah this is the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► everyone's in admitting they're [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► embarrassing things here so you know the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► car bra and he's got the white car is my [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► first one so this I wouldn't have picked [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► the special edition Accord which was [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► like it was like the end of this [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► generations model year range i think and [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► they were just throwing it all those [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► weird extras and stuff and this is a car [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that a buyer head you know optioned out [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► for them like your bill gave me this car [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► and give me all these things on it i [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► want the specialization how much did you [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► want that any bailed so they had this [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► car sitting there with like the extra [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► trunk liner thing and stupid mud.flap [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► things also stuff and the special [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► edition has pho carbon fiber on some [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► parts of the day oh my god [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► so my card is the special edition and it [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► has full carbon fiber but it was it was [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► a thousand dollars and especially I got [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► a brand new car for a thousand dollars a [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► couple years after another brand your [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► car and it is actually better than the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► the one that got totaled so is there [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► like a sticker or an extra pinstripe to [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► indicate the special edition there is [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► nothing to indicate except slightly [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► different interior surface treatments as [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► far as I can hold on marco was not one [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► to be throwing stones on this year this [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► issue doesn't one of your cars have like [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► a plaque or something denoting what [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► number it is the VIN plate [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► oh no no I thought you know what I'm [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► gonna do [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► oh I thought the rocket had a special [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► like this is number one of 1000 about to [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► though how many of those are made like [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► this legitimate does kind of give them [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► if it has a plaque with the number i [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► give it a total pass how many cars like [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► that are there in the entire United [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► States it actually is 704 right so [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► that's legitimate that's not you know [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► there's a couple more than that sir and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► I will say though back to the core value [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► think they're there is one exception to [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► to my advice is generally not a good [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► deal to get new and that this applies to [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► a lot of cars that is least specials [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► because you know Lisa's are calculated [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► by it interest and then what they think [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► the value of the car will be at the end [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► of the lease and you you basically pay [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► you know you split that $OPERAND x 36 [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► whatever number of months you haven't [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that's what you pay per month [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► plus interest so if the if the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► manufacturer thinks the car you know [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► they just they based on on past [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► performance and stats and you know lots [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► of analysis and math they think the cars [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► gonna be worth X after three years and [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► about this number of miles and that's [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► what they price it with lease specials [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► they will juice the numbers to generate [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► more sales in the short term and then [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► kind of pay for it later or just hope [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► things don't turn out very poorly later [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and so these specials are often used in [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► just clear out inventory or boost the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► sales numbers for a month you know [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► juking the stats and wire terms and and [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► so lease specials oftentimes can like i [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► was looking there is there some Lise [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Lise guide.com aside I found when I was [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► researching for this topic and they had [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► one they have a cadillac ats which is [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► Cadillacs new BMW 3-series competitor [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► they had a cadillac ats for 360 a month [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► for three years [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► that's cheap that's really that's [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► cheaper than most record Lisa's like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► that's really connected and then and you [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► can occasionally get a record for like [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► 250 you know and and then you know you [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► add a little more if you want more [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► extras but lately specials are generally [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► speaking they can be very very good [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► deals and way better deals and you can [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► never get with regularly for financing [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► just because you're the manufacturer is [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► just kind of the car more than the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► dealer's even can because they're [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► they're betting against their own [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► financial future one thing um so I I did [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► pick two other cars for the best value [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► thing one over very quickly if you have [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► different priorities than us and somehow [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► you're still listening to this podcast [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► if he if you actually want to drive a [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► very comfortable marshmallow i would say [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► a 2008 era lexus ES is a really good bed [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► just mom had one of these in its it's a [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► fantastic car it the blue book retail [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► that right now is about 20,000 for 2008 [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► lexus es350 des is based on the camry [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► and so it's basically what you'd expect [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► from a a luxury fide camry so it's it's [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► completely a marshmallow very very [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► you know comfortable soft squishy you [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► don't have any road feeling whatsoever [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► if you want that and of course is no [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► stick it's an extremely luxurious [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► interior it's a very large car you can [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► fit a ton in it and it has a 270 [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► horsepower v6 so that's that's no pretty [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► reasonable for 20 grand if you actually [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► have those marshmallow like priorities [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► also honorable mention for lexus the RX [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► 350 SUV that they sell so many of those [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► things and you can get one for about the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► same price and my they're almost this is [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► emerging in the minivan territory and so [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like right now only know this because [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► his parents have had both of those cars [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that and they are they are you know [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► they're not for me at all but they're [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► very nice cars and lexus the reason why [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► alexis is is so good you know it's based [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► on trade it tends to have very very good [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► resale value so you don't tend to lose a [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► lot with it they're actually pretty good [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► Lisa's like tip scar tissue has an is250 [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► and i have three series and the lease on [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► both of those like my lease is way [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► higher than hers [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► even though her car was about the same [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► like MSRP price as mine [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► I'm just because Alexis actually [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► residuals but all that aside I think my [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► third pic for the car thing is if you [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► have priorities more like ours but not [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► quite as ridiculous as cases [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► what's that supposed to mean I would say [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► you should get the car that is pretty [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► much my 3 series but two years older get [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► the 2009 BMW 328 x I and the reason why [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► is because it's so blue book retail is [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► about 20 15 on that it's it's the same [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► same as mine couple years older it will [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► you know 2009 BMW is going to have me [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► maybe 50,000 miles on it 4,000 something [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► like that but what I like about this [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► pick is that it is a completely [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► different it's a completely different [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► level of of luxury and handling and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► performance even though it has what [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► Casey thinks is a too slow engine it's a [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► 200-230 for horsepower inline-six and it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► also has all-wheel drive and I like all [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► the drive a lot you know they're there [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► are times when its overrated but overall [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► I like [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► a lot and for twenty-one thousand [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► dollars you get a really really awesome [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► car and because it's a few years old [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► you can get one without all sorts of [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► options for not much of a premium so i [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► would say 2009 BMW 328 x I for people [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► with our priorities is a really really [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► good pic if you want if you want to save [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► some money [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► I like that a lot better than your older [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► record pic i would much rather have that [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that I older BMW than that older accord [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► with all the luxury stuff on it the only [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► thing the court has going for it is that [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► there is more room for a lot if you have [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► like non toddler or tiny size kids if [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► you have like teenagers it better or if [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► you're you drive around adults [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► frequently oh yeah even a little [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► background about my dad's 328 purchase a [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► similar vintage I want to sit in the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► backseat [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► yes the the accord is a much bigger car [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► I mean note that that's the thing with [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► the BMW you're paying for that awesome [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► engine you're paying for the luxury [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► features are paying for the awesome [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► handling and the four-wheel drive and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► the other dr yeah . up on so you know [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you're paying for all those things [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► that's what you know the the accord you [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► can get newer for a lot less money but [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► it's just like with their new you can [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► get a new record for a lot less than or [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► new 328 but and for any record is better [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► and if you respect like space and stuff [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► like that but then the 328 is a car that [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► you know you you feel something when you [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► drive it and you know notnot you know [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► literally like you feel excited you you [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► enjoy the car and you know some people [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they don't care they rather have the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► better value where they need certain [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► features that doesn't offer fine but for [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► for people like us generally speaking 3 [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► series is awesome i would agree with [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► that now is it is this the juncture that [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► the time at which I get to lecture you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► about all-wheel drive or do we want to [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► go a different direction [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► this is a good time alright well firstly [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► I have to pull a John Syracuse and do a [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► little real-time follow-up can't find a [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► name i did find the name of the [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► individual that emailed us asking for [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► tips about a first car that was just in [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► woodbridge so thank you justin for quasi [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► inspiring that segment uh it's so mark [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and I have gone back and forth a lot [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► about whether or not he needs all wheel [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► drive and in the comedy of this is I [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► spent my high school years in [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► Connecticut like we've already [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► established and i learned to drive on in [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► snow and I've lived in virgin [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► you in different parts of Virginia for [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► the last are basically decade and I've [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► been insisting to Marco that he really [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► doesn't need all-wheel drive and in fact [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► a very close friend of mine Brian the [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► same guy who had the r32 which was all [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► wheel drive now has a 2009 335 the rear [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► wheel drive and he lives in Morgantown [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► West Virginia where there's mountains [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► and there's nothing but mountains and he [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► gets by just fine of course he's also [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► putting on hugely expensive finish snow [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► tires if i'm not mistaken but we'll [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► leave that out for this part of the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► conversation and then another friend of [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► mine Sean who also lives in Connecticut [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► he used to rock a 240sx way back in the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► day again with snow tires but rear-wheel [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► drive in snow in mountainous areas of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► connecticut is the mountains but it's [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► snowy area and it worked just fine and [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► so Marco and I've been going back and [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► forth about whether or not he really [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► needs all-wheel drive and without [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► totally ruining everything I will claim [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► victory by saying i know for a fact that [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► his next car is not all wheel drive end [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► is indeed rear-wheel drive and they're [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► really funny thing is that during all [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► this time you were trying to convince me [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► that I didn't need it [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► you ended up buying an all-wheel drive [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► car and now I've ordered one is [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► rear-wheel drive it yes this is exactly [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► true in in richmond virginia we get [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► typically to snowstorms a year to [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► blizzards a year of about three or four [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► inches each and i know john is just [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► dying know you know you know Marco you [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► can you can think about Casey and he [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► told you you don't need four-wheel drive [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► when you're pushing your expensive new [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► car or some other situation like I i [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► don't know whether you need four-wheel [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► drive but going with a rear-wheel-drive [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► living where you live like global [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► warming is your only help because I even [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► if you get the family to finish snow [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► tires and that thing you do not want to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► be going up and down any Hills in a [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► winter storm in your giant expensive [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► high-performance rear-wheel drive sedan [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► because you will be embarrassed by honda [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► civic front-wheel-drive passing you [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► going uphill because it can claw its way [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► up with the skinny little crappy tires [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► and you with your high-performance large [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► contact patch waterskis spinning in the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► back be going over so well there are a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► few reasons why i thought you know what [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► actually in red medium [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► overall evaluating my situation I think [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► i can get away with a rear-wheel-drive [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► car and and it's mainly because i live i [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► live in westchester new york right about [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► the city we do get snow here [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► not as much as you get up state but we [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► do get snow here and in a pretty [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► regularly in in some winters but the [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► last two winters we've had almost none [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► granted it's only you know late January [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► now you know it's but still we've had [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► very little left to winters I have an [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► all-wheel drive car and i love i love [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► that i had that in the snow however it's [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► not gonna drive car with all-season [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► tires that are now is what is your wheel [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► drive car 23 I think you're getting rid [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► of that this was replacing it it at [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► least runs out yeah yeah so right now I [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► have this car right so that there are [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► two things that made me decide i could [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► do a rear-wheel-drive 1 i've been [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► learning about snow tires and I've never [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► had snow tires before and I've all the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► research I'm doing indicates that they [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► really do help quite a bit and and a lot [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► of countries are are requiring them now [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► for winter driving and quite a lot of [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► countries actually and so you know the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► evidence is pretty strong that i should [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► have snow tires anyway even if I got an [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► all-wheel-drive car so you know that's [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► that that's what about the point i'm [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► going to have no tires next winter but [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► what has mostly change my mind is that [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► we are now a two car family we my wife [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► has a car and we both like the same kind [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► of cars we both like mid-size sedans so [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► we're both we both own mid-size sedans [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► and that's going to continue it for the [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► foreseeable future and then if we ever [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► do need a minivan she has agreed that [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► she will be the one who will have it [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► because i have the best wife in the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► universe so we will always have a car [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► that can work in snow if ifs no happens [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and it can be her car so her car can be [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► all wheel drive with or without snows [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► and my car can be a variable drive with [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► snows in the winter and I think that'll [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► be fine and they're there have been so [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► few occasions during my 328 least where [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► I've actually needed to drive in the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► snow and some of them don't have to kill [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► that's probably your saving grace right [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that's yeah that's true and [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► and in some situations i felt the arbol [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► drive actually gives and I'm sure [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► everybody who's an herbal agree with [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► this it gives a false sense of security [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► in that it helps you go if you are going [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► to be stuck it it helps you go but it [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► doesn't really help you stop and it [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► doesn't really help your grip it just [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► helps you get out if you are stopped [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► when you're trying to make your way up [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► the hill believe me the ability to go [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► something becomes very important [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah totally so going up a snowy [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► hill in a novel drive car is certainly [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► you know I'd rather have all wheel drive [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► at that moment then rear but I think [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► rear with snows can probably at least do [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► it and because i need to do that so [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► incredibly infrequently so you know my [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► next car [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► it's also going to be on a three-year [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► lease i don't think i think during the [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► entirety of the time i have that car I [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► might need to drive a snowy hill maybe [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► once [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► like that'sthat's how often i would need [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► to do that given the last few in tourism [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► just don't go for chicken salad it's not [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► know of course i would make my left one [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► so i did is a minivan gonna be four [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► wheel drive because we had a minivan [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► growing up was one of the cars that i [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► drove one of the cars that i learned to [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► drive on and it was a four-wheel drive [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► minivan and they are i don't know if [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► they're even exist anymore I have no [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► 4-wheel Drive minivans like this is we [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► had trouble finding we got the mazda mpv [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► which was four wheel drive and actually [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► like jacked up a little bit compared to [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► other minivans and it was great [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► snot rags and if you're talking about [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► real stone handling you make a good [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► point that ground clearance is a pretty [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► big issue and and that's why things like [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► Jeeps and SUVs tend to be and trucks [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► tend to be better in this no I don't [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► know if grant because grandparents [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► really help the levels of snow on a [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► ploughed road because that's what kills [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► you is like the plowed roads we had oh [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► yeah we haven't it's now the past four [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► years like many years ago we had some [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► big snow winters here and I was [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► commuting when you can't it's like you [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► gotta go to work and you've got to come [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► home sometimes you have to go to work [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► and come home and pick up the kids so it [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► is like mandatory trips built into your [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► day and doesn't matter what the weather [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► is like you have to go to daycare and [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► get the kids you have to leave work you [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► have to go home and is a certain number [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of pills there and some of the worst [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► things that I've been through I've gone [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► like on the you know the exit ramp to [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► get off 95 where I get off to go home in [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the car with the kids [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► cutting my way in my crappy front-wheel [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► drive Honda Civic [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► through like the twisted bodies of [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► Mercedes BMW and lexus that are all the [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► entrance ramp all twisted some strange [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► angle all half off the road because they [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► couldn't make it up the ramp and I'm [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► just going to continue to returning you [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► know front-wheel-drive all-season tires [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► terrible performance no horsepower and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► they're all stuck and I'm not see but [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that car is built it to a degree and [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► hear me out its kind of built for the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► snow in the sense of its not overpowered [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► so taking off from a stop and W so since [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► you have a stick you can you can feather [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► that you can feather the application of [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► the clutch didn't and the throttle and [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► so you can take off very gently [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► additionally and I think this is where [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► the minivans come back in the tires are [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► comparatively much thinner you don't you [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► had talked about his water skis and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► you're absolutely right [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► having dinner tires to cut through the [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► snow helps a lot you it doesn't weigh a [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► lot which is it which is a mark against [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► it but you know all the wait is over the [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► over the wheel over the front wheels in [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► those are the drive wheels and so there [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► yeah there are that is the only time in [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► which front-wheel-drive is an absolute [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► advantage in to build on what I believed [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► was that usage on my parents had a GMC [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► safari a four-wheel-drive GMC safari [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► when I was in high school and I was [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► growing up and I kid you not that thing [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► was a tank in the snow I mean it would [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► go anywhere [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► it was ridiculous because we wait a [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► million pounds and had relatively thin [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► tires and it had all wheel drive and it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► would go anywhere you know the BMW for [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► drive systems aren't like it's not you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► know that the most of the time it's a [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► rear-wheel-drive car it's not as [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► terrible as you know you've got one [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► Casey like it if they'd that I believe [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► they're think sounds like it's in all [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► the power to the rear we know it's [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► excitedly what 6040 by default i think [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► that's right but to that some of them it [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► maybe it maybe I'm thinking of the [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► Ferrari for four wheel drive so I just [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► get for every manufacturing systems [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► different is that the at the FF is that [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the one thinking of I think you're right [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► yes hundred percent of the power to the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► rear wheels until like they slip them in [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► it starts redistributing them that I [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► want to pick that is 125 thousand at a [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► time machine go forward in time 15 years [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► and when I don't have that car will ever [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► be 25,000 know it's pretty ugly maybe [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► we'll be yeah you never know I'd [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► actually really quickly another story I [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► wanted to tell was shortly after I got [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► my 335 on a completely dry day on the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► biggest road [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► that runs through the length of richmond [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► and in a time and a place where I really [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► shouldn't have done it i thought to [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► myself you know what I want to see what [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► this cars really made of and I was doing [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► you turn on a multi multi lane road each [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► direction and so I turned the the DSC [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► fall off so the car was completely raw [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► it's not like I believe Mercedes where [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► it still has nannies there so you can't [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► get too sideways while I was doing my [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► u-turn and I was from from a dead stop [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► so i get about halfway through the turn [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► I'm in first dscs fall off remember that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► BMW non am BMWs do not have limited-slip [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► rear and so I got halfway through the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► turn I stand on the gas and next thing i [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► know i'm at a 45 degree angle with the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► way the road is supposed to go and [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► realizing well this thing is a lot more [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► rear bias the legacy was and also has a [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► lot more power so I mean it's a it's [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► exactly like you said John it's it's [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► much more rear happy than a lot of other [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► four wheel drive systems are oh yeah and [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► but but at the same time it does it does [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► feel extremely different from a [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► rear-wheel-drive three ya like it like [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that it feels very driving feeling is [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► completely different and you you can [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► tell which one you're in instantly if [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► you pay attention to like you can you [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► can very very easily tell besides the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► tremendous ugly badge from the new ones [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► that's not what they were thinking with [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that but yeah I wonder what they were [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► thinking if that's if that's the actual [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► split of its forty percent mandatory to [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the front and then you know very well [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that's a lot like a pirate too i don't [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► know why they would split I believe it [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► has the N I believe it has the ability [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► to send a hundred percent 2ne1 wheel it [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► in a slippage but what the research says [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure it can send up two [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► hundred percent 2ne1 wheel but by [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► default 6040 now I couldn't that's cause [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► usually default to like massively rear [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► and then only start sending to the front [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► of things slip so I'm wondering why they [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► why they want to maybe they want that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► slippery like your binder by the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► four-wheel-drive you wanted you want [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► that driving characteristic i don't know [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► when we get BMW engineers and she'll ask [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► them that we don't have to because [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► wikipedia says that you guys are right [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► while you were while you were talking I [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► was able to get my own real-time follow [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► up here again and it is a 60-40 split [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► rear biased and then the extract can [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► react within a tenth of a second to just [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► redistribute up to one hundred percent [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► of engine power to the front or rear [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► axle and i will say generally you know [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► as these systems go again [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► manufacturers all the drive systems [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► little bit different i would say lexus [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► is ok I've seen it fail few times X [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► drive is awesome [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► I i really do think as as these systems [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► BMW xDrive is is very very good i don't [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► have a lot of experience with Quattro [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► and I know that adding people are [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► fanatical about it so I can't really say [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► whether it's better than quattro it from [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► from the research i've done it seems [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► like people tend to agree that there are [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► at least equals and some people say [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► extras better I'd I can't leave at that [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► but it is really amazing and it's the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► only thing that it can't do is a diff [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► lock but if it can send a hundred [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► percent of the power to any of the four [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► wheels i guess in theory [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► you're very likely to get stuck right [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► well it's not any of the four wheels [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► which is where the trick like s4 [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► differentials and whatnot get really [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► interesting it'sit's any of the two [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► axles oh so so then what happens if i'm [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► not mistaken the last time i said that i [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► was talking about wastegates and blow [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► off valves but my understanding is it [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► gets it gets all the power of the front [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► rear axle and then by the DSC and dtc [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► will do some crazy junk with breaking [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► the wheel that's spinning in order to [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► cake to to get the net effect of a [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► limited-slip differential even though [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► your systems are terrible ones that one [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► that use wheel breaking instead of you [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► not good especially when you try to get [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► us know you're here let me take traction [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► control is also your enemy [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► most of the time trying to yes it will [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► break the sleep of slipping wheel and [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► you it's like no I want to go up the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► hill [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► don't stop applying the brakes i was now [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► slide down in turn sideways as the civic [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► drives fast me on entrance ramp goodness [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► i don't know i really i I really hope [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► that snow tires are are good they re all [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► see just all season tires are fine [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that's again the problem with the buying [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► expensive cars as they come with high [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► performance tires which are great in the [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► summer and are not great and we like [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► just plain old all-season tires that [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► like the cheap cars come with even those [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► are miles ahead of the slicks that [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► you're gonna get with like an actual [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► high-performance car [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► well that's that's not entirely true so [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► what we just that last week got a couple [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► inches of snow which again for blood for [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► richmond is a blizzard and i took the [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► 335 out just around the neighborhood and [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► has the run flat stock summer tires on [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► it and parcel seasons [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► yeah they are they call them summer [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► tires because usually this the stock [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► ones don't have that like I'm thinking [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► you know when you for example the 1m is [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► going to have probably the crazy tire [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► standard but the regular 3 series is [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► going to have all season tires i have to [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► a man out another summer i'm almost done [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► i had mine came with all seasons my [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► 328is at the compound or the tread [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► pattern of both i often my head I don't [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► call i'm cheating and trying to look at [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► Iraq while we're talking but I mean also [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► consider it does have the m-sport [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► package which again is almost entirely [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► aesthetic junk but let's maybe that uses [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► different wheels though and it might [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► have come with summer tires [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► yeah could be I mean red yeah this is a [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► bridgestone potenza re050a run-flat max [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► performance summer that's it [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► so how did you know it actually did all [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► right i mean it to be honest I found out [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► was it in Virginia [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► well like I said it was about two inches [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► which for us is a legitimate blizzard [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► and schools canceled the following day I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► kid you not [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► wait wait wait a second how what is the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► justification for cancelling school when [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► there is two inches of snow is it [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► because the buses can't get through and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► no i don't think so i think part of the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► problem is we don't have the plowing the [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► plows and all the other things you guys [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► have it but I to inches you don't need [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► to plan to it's hard to know your cars [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► over a part of it is that we drive in [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► the snow as well as Californians drive [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► in the rain don't emailing and part of [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► it is because there's been a couple [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► times lately that the county in which we [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► live has not cancel her have not [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► cancelled school everything God and then [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► everybody died . so now they're [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► trigger-happy but now and also in their [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► rural parts of the of the county where [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► in the the buses do sometimes have [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► troubles getting through these very [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► random back roads and so that's a [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► rear-wheel-drive yes but there's four [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► wheels in most cases a gigantic and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► their gigantic and tall and skinny which [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► is what we've already established is [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► exactly what you want I don't know [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► they're there and they're an interesting [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► breed here there what there was a guy i [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► decided to take the one out there [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► bring that during our our halloween [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► snowstorm this year just to see I was [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► still in the process of figuring out [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► whether I needed all-wheel drive her [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► next car not so here I had a car with [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► summer tires and way too much power [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► going to the back where it's it's very [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► very easy for the for you to spin the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► rear tires of the 1m just by trying to [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► go normally it has way too much power [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► for for its body and and so I ended up [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► so as a result the rear tires I I hope [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► mostly from the previous owner the rear [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► tires are pretty worn down i would say [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► they have gone through at least half of [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► their tread of the usable tread so and [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► and you can tell there's like if you [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► look at the front versus the rears like [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► the front fred is way deeper so here i [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► have worn down summer tires on a very [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► very powerful rear-wheel-drive [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► lightweight car and I decided to take it [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► out on the road in the snowstorm to see [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► you know just quick trip to the grocery [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► store us a short route I knew well I [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► knew you know what would be the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► challenging parts of it and it turned [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► out and my neighborhood is very very [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► hilly so I'm going up and down lots of [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► hills covered in snow nothing was plowed [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► there was no salt it was too early in [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the season we weren't even prepared so [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► no plowing no salting nothing and it was [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► a little bit warm so the snow is all [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► being packed down into it into a slush [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► and like a pact / which is pretty much [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the worst case scenario for traction so [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► I go start over the grocery store in the [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► whole time I'm thinking you know what [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► this is pretty good I'm feeling just [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► fine with the car handled just fine the [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► entire way there and then I pull into [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► the grocery store parking lot and go [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► sideways just trying to take a turn [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► going like from one part of a lot to [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► another going down an aisle trying to [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► turn my car at five miles an hour [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► totally sideways like and stuck how he [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► covers rock solid I i had to have [TS]