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00:00:00 ◼   ► BMW has major face problems has always [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► had major fade problems that that's one [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► of the things keeps me away from BMWs [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► their face problems I that's the problem [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► and and yet well that and the fact that [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► again before but it's probably done [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► defending out like basically if i had [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► you know 40 grand burning a hole in my [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► pocket would be like I got 40 grand [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► I don't like that face and I spend 40 [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► grand face I don't like why don't we try [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► to make enough money with this podcast [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► that you can afford a BMW lease [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► well here's here's the here's the [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► problem with the BMW you also have to [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► buy me a new has to put it in because if [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► I park that car in my driveway it will [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► have dents all over the top of it i have [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► a large I guess it's an oak tree with [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► overhanging my driveway the drops a [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► cornstarch tremendous height causing [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► literally hundreds of tiny dimple dents [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► in the sheet metal and roof of any car [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► that's parked in my drop that that's a [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► wow so so for the rest of your cars you [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► can tolerate this before be another yeah [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► i'll tell you what do you care if it's a [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► honda accord you're driving your family [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► around and don't care if it's got dents [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► all over the roof of it i and you say i [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► want you to put in your garage i do have [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► a garage but a half-time just fill the [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► junk and be the garage is that one of [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► those garages made in the nineteen [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► thirties for like carriages or something [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► and it's so hard to squeeze the car in [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► there and then you want to take this [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► really expensive car and squeeze it into [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► a garage with all your stuff hanging on [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► the side and try to open the doors and [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► you have to let the kids out before you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► get in or whatever so basically right [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► because then i might get a few little [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► dents in it [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► yeah my entire lifestyle is not being [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► has not BMW caliber so just merely [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► plopping a BMW like the worst-case [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► scenario plopping down like you know a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► supercar something like I would be like [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► what am I gonna do with this I can't [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► park it on the street I can't park in my [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► driveway I need to buy second house with [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► this card because it needs to live [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► better than we do when I get your eyes [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you're very smart man but you haven't [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► thought of just removing the tree it's [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► not our tree [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► well that was good like matter we could [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► like clear cut into the sky [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► no blood never been a little bit 32 [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► makes bad neighbors and it's better to [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► have good and anyway it's not it's not [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► actually a problem because i don't care [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► if my car's get dented but we actually [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► have probably a we just in the last year [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► we we moved our driveway [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► if you can imagine what that takes two [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► to what that does to a yard it was this [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► tremendous s-shaped driveway which would [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► you know that the garage like on the [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► left side a lot and the curb cuts on the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► right side of the lot and it would it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► would it snaked across died when the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► whole front yard cut the whole front [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► yard and a half and came out to the side [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► and it was all gravel anyway so it a [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► gravel driveway sucks for lots of [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► reasons and it wasn't even a very good [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► gravel and so we were you know we we [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► decided to just make it a straight line [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► so and and then put down you know brick [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► pavers Susan you know you know gravel [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► driveway is the rich person's driveway [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► marker so you're going backwards here by [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► paving it you know your neighbors are [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► gonna turn knows you well he used to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► have a tasteful gravel driveway now he's [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► got this pavement and shoveling that [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► when it's no I know that's why is the [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► rich person's driveway and only gonna [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► bubble around right boys [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► yeah not only can you not shovel or [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► really snow blow on on gravel is you [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► surely can't plow it you really can't [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► move them off at all but this giant [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► driver took up our entire front yard it [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► was like shoveling the whole front yard [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► so well the real rich person's p stone [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► to Jeff p stone and what is that that's [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► little little rocks that look like [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► they've been smooth in a river like [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► instead of being a jagged like grabbing [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► a fish tank yet will not let their [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► smooth cornered stones instead of being [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► jagged gravel gravels jagged like [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► they're sharp edges are actual piece of [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► gravel p stone is small rocks it looks [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► like they've been smooth in a river [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► water water you know flowing over them i [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► would I don't know why anybody would [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► want any kind of ground because it's [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► more expensive but the thing of it is [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► you're both wrong because the rich [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► person approaches to have heated a [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► heated driveway and I have a story that [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► i'll tell you what i actually happy [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► about that when we get their tracks see [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► but internality it's how you can have a [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► heated driveway if you have a real rich [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► person driving the real repression [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► driveway is like a mile and a half long [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and not helping that that so there when [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► I was very when I was 16 I drove a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► family friends [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► ferrari and that family friend their [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► driveway I'd say what it was an ass and [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► this is in Connecticut where I went to [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► high school my parents to live and so [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► their driver was an ass i want to say it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► was maybe a hundred yards long and [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► pretty much the whole thing was heated [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► so they would never have to worry about [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► plowing or snow blowing or anything like [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► that I kid you not see it when I so when [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► we gettin drive when i asked the guy [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► like so I know he driveways exist like [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► what can you tell me about that and he [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► basically was like yeah it's like it eat [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► you would spend way less money just [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► hiring somebody to plow your driveway [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► every winter for like the next 30 years [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► then you picked by putting the hidden [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► it's only guy i guess all you know I i [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► can go without the house but anyway the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► reason for that is because there's a [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► giant tree on my neighbor's property its [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► it is like right across the property [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► line is the trunk of this tree and it is [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► it is such a big tree and it's in such [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► terrible shape that every single time [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► there's any kind of wind or rain it [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► drops some kind of moderately sized [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► branch onto my driveway so after [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► building this whole new driveway which [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► is really not cheaper fast to do we now [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► effectively can't use a third of it [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► because either our cars will get damaged [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► which has happened when we before we [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► learn this you know eat either our cars [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► will have branches falling on them and [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► even the most mild storms or we would [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► have to go to our neighbors and have [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► that talk with them and the idea of [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► doing that is so scary to me and I I so [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► don't want to confront them about this [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► that I'm just tolerating not using half [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► my driveway at and I don't do it because [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► of like I'm afraid of confidential but [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► it's not really fair to them even though [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► I'd illegally own like up to the sky or [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► whatever the heck the thing is I cut it [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► like I would be annoyed if someone did [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► to me this is a nice tree they have a [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► nice tree on their property one of the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► branches happens to go over my driver [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► but like I would be killing their their [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► tree they have two trees on the front [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► lawn this is one of them looks nice and [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► then you know that's not a nice thing to [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► do it like I could just get it always [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► park but one car in the drive one car [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► moved up enough so it didn't hit i could [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► build myself a car park and do all these [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► things I really cared about the cars or [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► if I had enough money to afford a car [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► that I cared if it got hundreds of [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► double sized dent in it i just moved to [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► a nicer house that a two-car garage and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► put the cars in but in the grand scheme [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► of things nothing [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► yeah i guess i have to wonder like you [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► know when like of all the options you [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► chose for you you've considered you just [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► enumerated for us of all those options [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► just leaving it getting dense is [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► actually the one you chose that's that [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► surprises me like knowing you this one [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► of the first time I mean I didn't know [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it was gonna dance until the first car [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► was like totally dentist as it happens [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► basically like overnight you're like [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► wait a second you look at you can't [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► really see it unless you look at the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► right angle and like the Sun you know [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► Glenn saw her dimples you're like oh my [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► god what's going on here [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► yeah that's what's happening I mean I [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► even today if I really really cared [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► enough I could always park one car [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► inside the driveway make sure inside the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► garage make sure was cleared out and [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► park the other car really close up to [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the driveway so clear like the but we're [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► just lazy just parking where they are [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► it's not a big deal and you know it's [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► not it's probably not hurting our resale [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► value because you have to be pretty anal [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► retentive even notice it like the dents [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► are like incidents there just barely [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► dimples and we haven't had any problem [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► selling our cars we want to trade up man [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► that I just that is just paste in the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► link to some long driveways yeah thnkx [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► cover cover cover with p stone that I [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► mean that really is shocking to me I [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► yeah I what you know those are all the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► reasons not to have the car you want [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► well that's not something I have to say [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► like it the main reason that I want to [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► spend how much more out of the money [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► that i have discretionary spending that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► i have i would much rather have a really [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► nice TV in a really expensive Mac then a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► really nice cars that's where the months [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► there and then like kids college funds [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and stuff oh yeah for all the [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► responsible stuff right exactly so [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that's it you know it i think the thing [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► about nice cars is that like it depends [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► on how much you value that in terms of [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► proportion to the rest of your money and [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► even though i evaluate a lot like I [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► realized that all the things that cut [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► like I don't have that kind of lifestyle [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► like when I've sold the big family house [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► and I'm an empty-nester and my kids are [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► gone and I you know I'm retired and [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► living much more cheaply then i can [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► afford to live in a tiny house in the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► middle of nowhere not near any jobs and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► spend my discretionary income on getting [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► one nice two-door car they don't have to [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► have kids you know I mean like what will [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► you answer one that fits in [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► I will probably I mean same thing with [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► my dad he had like family cars whatever [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► but as soon as all the kids left and [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► everything he retired he started leasing [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you know nice cars that we now that we [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► were gone and we're driving them and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► getting them into accidents [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► yeah I feel like you've touched on [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► something which I wanted to address some [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► time during the show and I'm glad we're [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► doing it kind of early i wanted to [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► address a foreign cars because for for a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► lot like I I don't feel comfortable [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► talking about cars [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► most of the time on my blog or [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► publicly most of the time because the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► car from talking about are expensive [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► cars and I feel like that's like talking [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► about my salary you know Gotye feels [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► awkward to me like they're like back [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► when i when i first ordered my 328i my [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► blog readership was much smaller back [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► then and I posted a picture of the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► interior from BMWs configurator thing [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► online I was so proud like coming soon [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► like I was I wanted to you know cuz [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► blogs are about sharing this mine was [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► back then about sharing your life and [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► I was proud as i wanted to share with [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► people and like within an hour i got an [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► email from somebody saying that that's [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► really it you know that that's a dick [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► move like oh you're rich asshole like [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► something like it was it was such a [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► downer to see the feedback from you know [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► from this because cars are so expensive [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► they are they are you know that the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► fancier cars are out of reach for so [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► many people that it's socially awkward [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► to talk to even talk about them a lot 17 [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► is it depends on what your peer group is [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► like your peer group are people who [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► value a computer hardware enough that if [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► you posted a picture of your Mac they [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► became an cool that's a great new Mac [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► because that's where they choose to put [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► their income but I don't think it's [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► enough people who put that same [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► proportion come into their cars and your [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► knee and your fans are all rich people [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► to whom that car is like nothing special [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► right and and I feel like to you know a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► lot of people think of a car at its full [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► MSRP sticker price and you know and [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► saying that is like saying oh my god you [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► live in a hundred and fifty thousand [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► dollar house hat [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► where did you find a hundred and fifty [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► thousand dollars cash he liked it like [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► there are all these creative financing [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► options that we have 240 people for [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► things like expensive cars and houses [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► that we otherwise wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► just spend the cash for upfront and [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► you're like a lot of people don't don't [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► realize that or when when judging cars [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► that are above what they can afford they [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► only look at MSRP and and they ignore [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the financing options like when i bought [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► my accord it was like twenty four [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► thousand dollars or something like that [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► and you know I didn't have twenty-four [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► thousand dollars i had maybe five [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► thousand dollars and I you know I put [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► down a reasonable down payment and I [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► started making monthly payments on it [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► because it was way cheaper than [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► maintaining my maxima but you know I [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► wasn't thinking I'm spending twenty-four [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► thousand dollars up front and and so I [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► feel like you know with cars it and [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► you're right it is it's a matter of how [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► you allocate your income to some degree [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► you know like it when i bought the [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► accord [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► I could almost have afforded the BMW but [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I didn't want to allocate my income that [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► way i wanted to save more money and you [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► know build up more savings and be more [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► responsible because you because you can [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► you can be so BMW 4 or something I mean [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► you know if you're if you're reasonable [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► with the options you can lease a $YEAR 3 [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► series for probably a good 500 bucks a [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► month and yet you least the wrong [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► 3-series and that's a whole nother [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► discussion for me and that area but but [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► but like you know you could you can get [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► a BMW you could have a BMW with all the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► maintenance included everything a good [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► one for about 500 bucks a month and I [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► know it's a lot of money but like [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► relative to the world of color paint and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► it's not about a forwarding though but [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► here's what it comes down to four people [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► for whom that money is real money like [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► say you are the person starting out and [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► you have a good job and you're single [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► and you could afford $500 much what it [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► comes down to is alright so that's five [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► hundred dollars a month and a cord is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► like 250 with some creative financing or [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► something is the BMW 250 dollars a month [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► more better than the accord and [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► especially if you're not a car person [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► you're like there's no way like this car [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► is nicer but it's there's no way it's [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► worth double the amount per month but [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► that's exactly not as it's not like you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► can't afford it like i could put that [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► extra twenty four dollars and that but [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► then you think well what else can I do [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► with this 250 dollars a month and it [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► took a lot of people the BMW is not [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► twice as good as the accord is just not [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► only because they did they're not car [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► people and they just like how it just [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► gets me around and that's what it comes [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► down to I think for you know for people [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► who like they start thinking in terms of [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► ya a fancy car is nice but is it double [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► is good to me as this other car they [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► just end up saying no well but you know [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► and but I think it's important you know [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► what you just said I agree with every [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► with all that you know what you just [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► said is that it is about you know how [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► much do you care about your car and how [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► much is that worth to you like for me [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► when those people when those people [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► your BMW though they assume uh it's also [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► not twice as good to him but he has so [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► much money doesn't even matter [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► right that's what the exactly where as [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► well as you know in meanwhile when I had [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► my accord I I i bought it i didn't i [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► didn't least its financing is paying [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► like 340 bucks a month or something like [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that and it was three 4382 yeah I i I've [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► wrote that number on so many checks i [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► have had memorized for a long time but [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► but you know so going from that to the [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► BMW was like a five or six dollar range [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► depending on what you get like to me [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► that Accord was so forgettable yet [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► function perfectly fine it got me around [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► it did really mess up my back but it got [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► me around because it turns out a chord [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► seats are terrible for back problems I i [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► like the court see that's good for you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► i'll go for short people with that [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► okay yeah but you know but I realized [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► like I care so much about cars because [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► i'm on that kind of person like I the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► idea of spending more than [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► bargain-basement prices on like pants on [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► clothing to me thinking about hundred [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► dollar pair of jeans makes you go like [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you're crazy like you're dollars for a [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► pair of jeans is it really you know [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► fifty dollars better than these other [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► gene writer you know like though I look [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► at other people's decisions like that [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► the way they probably look at me with my [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► expensive BMW like I IC closes like I [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► would not get that kind of value out of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► clothes but i would rather cut out this [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► money from a budget somewhere else and [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► assign it to a car because i actually [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► will get that much more enjoyment out of [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► the nicer car and I feel like failing to [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► understand these different you know [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► budget allocations and priorities is [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► what builds this resentment in people [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► who either wear expensive clothes or [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► have an expensive car or something like [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► some people just don't have that much [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► money . like it's not even though yeah [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► gimme for all of us were not even [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► discussing well that the payments on [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► Ferraris you are reasonable if you talk [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► about the finest know like we understand [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► like you know when the car payment is [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► five thousand dollars a month like okay [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► well maybe not everything is relative [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► and there's a little bit some of that [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► and you know Marky brands like Mercedes [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► you even likes us to some degree and [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► certainly Ferrari or whatever where as [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► much of these we complained about Max [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► being expensive like there really is no [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► ferrari equivalent and computers there [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► is no computer that actually is really [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► really good [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► that is like you know an order of [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► magnitude more expensive as male [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► computers regular people's I don't know [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► that probably was some point but we know [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► realistically speaking there is no [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► equivalent like if you're willing to [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► spend instead of you know instead of ten [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► thousand dollars for a decked-out mac [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► pro if i spend a hundred thousand [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► dollars can i get a computer that is as [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► much better than a mac pro as you know [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► the Ferrari 458 is from like a honda [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► accord no you can't like that jump [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► thrown from the from the hundreds of the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► Ferrari is real and there's nothing i [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► can't spend a hundred grand over a mac [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► pro and get something that's a better [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► man that much better of a mac pro you [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► know so I you know it cars are [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► interesting because they actually are [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► big physical expensive things and that [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► expense doesn't go away like you know in [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► terms of materials and everything like [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you just can't get a car that's made [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► mostly out of carbon fiber and passes us [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► crash dies without spending a huge [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► amount of money . and you know you can't [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► get a v8 their ribs to like 10,000 RPM [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► over the help you know this just [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► mechanically there's no way to make that [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► cheap it's not like microchips that they [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► do a shrink in the next year the v12 [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► Ferraris cheaper you know so there's [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► such a range there and you know that [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► that introduces this phenomenon where [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► you know how much do I value cars which [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► is how much money do i have is this you [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► know instrumental barrier to people [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► considering other people's car purchases [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► well the funny thing about it is ever [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► since getting my 335i in i bought it [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► used and so I when I tell people oh you [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► know I got a new car and then [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► immediately it's not well it's new to me [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► and i'm always hedging it [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► oh you have BMW yeah well but I got a [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► used because I I don't want to be not be [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► able to think your full money right [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► and I and I don't know maybe that's my [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► own hang up that I'm pushing it onto [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► other people i mean obviously this isn't [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► a psychologist show but but it just it's [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► funny to me because I always catch [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► myself saying that you know yeah I got a [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► BMW buddy I gotta use you know top of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► years our status symbols you don't feel [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► like you're bragging like Mercedes it [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► works like cuz i'm i'm actually a big [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► Mercedes fan but when you say Mercedes [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► maybe it's just a generation have you [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► I think like you no such thing rolls [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► royce it's like well yeah we're [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► mercedes-benz like not like I have a b.a [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► a Mercedes you know CSeries it's like no [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► it's not it's not that expensive it's [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► not you know I i still like I i know a [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► lot about adding because i like I've [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► gone to their dealers have test driven [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► their cars against BMWs I still don't [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► know anything about mercedes because he [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► is yeah [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► mercedes people the idea of mercedes to [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► me like I don't even consider it as an [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► option because I think oh that's you're [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► older two people you should you should [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► consider it i met in many respects I [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► like Mercedes better than BMW and in [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► many many ways they're a they have their [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► own foibles and idiosyncrasies but the [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► Mercedes you're thinking up from the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► ABCs long dead and yeah I have a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► definitely have a definite soft spot for [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► mercedes I i have a feeling that even [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► though like when i read about cars i [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► think for like BMWs probably more my [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► Ally in terms of values and everything I [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► think secretly and may actually be a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► Mercedes person [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► well by the time you buy one you'll be [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► old enough [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► yeah I don't like it [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► yeah I i have i have driven both briefly [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► and not enough if the problem with [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Mercedes is an American none of them [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► have a state I mean maybe not literally [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► i'm sure you could find one with the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► stick but did all the altar of cities in [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► America all automatics and one of the [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► things that struck me as insane when I [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► when I was overseas earlier this year [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► was that we got a taxicab insurance that [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► was a Mercedes today and i think i see [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► class and it had a six-speed it not that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► blew my mind commerce it again in Europe [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you can buy Mercedes with stick shifts [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and cloth seats and used to be able to [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► get them with roll-up windows that would [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► go back for a second you know I think [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► you know what you said casey about not [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► wanting to to seem like the rich guy who [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► bought this new fancy car like that i'm [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► extremely self-conscious about that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► which given the Karzai by does not make [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► it easy on me because I I like BMWs a [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► lot but like like that's the i would [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► never consider buying a Porsche is a [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► Porsche I don't know please email you I [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I would never buy a Porsche i would like [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► the idea Marcia you know a Porsche or [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► Ferrari even like an Aston Martin like [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► all those like really recognizable as [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► sports car like in-your-face sports car [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► and BMWs not will know because BMWs our [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► sports sedans like that that differences [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► such as just like you're just like the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► one has a sports today [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► hi dragons it's a happy that you know [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► that the name BMW does have that [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► reputation but when you see them on the [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► road they just look like square they [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► don't yell out you I'm a sports car look [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► at me like that's why like you know my [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► dream cars the m5 which doesn't look [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► like much of a sports car compared to [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► you know what people usually think of a [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► sports cars i see i don't know if that's [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► really true because e39 m5 which was the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► early two thousands that to me was the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► pinnacle of the m5 because it really was [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► a fairly understated car and i agree [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► with you that I think the best kind of [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► sports car or fast car is down that does [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► not look fast asleep writers i guess [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► they were called long ago and i agree [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► with you the m5 and principles still [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► probably a bit of a sleeper but the e39 [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► m5 which was my ultimate car for the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► longest time that he was in early $MONTH [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► 2005 it was with the v8 with like the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► crazy van-gogh setup and all that and in [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that had a few badges on the outside but [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► very little else and so that to me was [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► the pinnacle and the modern m5's while [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► still good in that regard are still a [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► little bit look at me maybe but the [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► hauntings the body cladding is what does [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► it the modern high fives they always [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► differentiate with the big aggressive [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► looking body cladding you can tell [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that's not a regular 50 but it actually [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► looks almost identical to the five with [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► m sport it's the same the sheet metal's [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► all the saying I believe it's just it's [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► just the the body cladding and that's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► likely another the plastic wrap around [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► the fog lights in the rear bumpers and [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the side thing it was like a few [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► accidents here and there are different [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► but most are little more than accents [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you know I I think they're ugly it's not [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► another damn support i think the the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► regular BMW 5-series is the best car BMW [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► best like carbon copies made in years [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► and I think the m5 is worse looking than [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the than the regular 5-series I i do [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► agree that the 5-series is one of the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► best cards they've made in a long time I [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► i like it way better than than the new [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► 3-series like I i like that like that [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► crinkled up hood that there has it and [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► like my my 328 has that but the new one [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► like and that the current $YEAR 5 series [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► looks basically like [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► big version of my you know that so [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► basically BMW and I think this is true [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► of many carbons especially the any of [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► them that are bought by enthusiasts [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► generally speaking [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► everybody always thinks that the best [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► kind of BMW was the first one they had [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► and they've all gone downhill since then [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► that's true of everything computers cars [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► and so I did your everything several [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► wives [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► oh haha i gotta go and you know I feel [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► like like my 328 this is like this is [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► what got me hooked on BMW actually [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► zipcars what kind of that that's when i [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► was in Brooklyn during that hellish year [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► of trying to drive in and out of [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► Brooklyn to various things we didn't [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► have a car after I sold the accord so [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► we've got is a car membership and zip [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► car is is a great service we enjoyed it [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► a lot it is way way better than regular [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► renters are the regular rentals for [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► short trips for so many reasons but we [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► would always plan trips last minute and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► so all the cheap cars would already [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► booked and the only car we could get [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► would be either the pickup truck the van [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► or the BMW 328 so obviously i picked [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that because it was it was the most [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► expensive sedan to rent and that would [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► be the last one picked by zipcar renters [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► so i ended up driving through 28 a lot [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► because we kept taking these you know [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► various out let's go for a quick weekend [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► trip or a quick thing up here and I'll [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you know everything's already taken from [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► of car except for this and that's how i [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► got when i first got into it like that [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► the first couple of rides we took I [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► thought why this drives really well but [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► the controls are completely asinine like [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► and I think anybody who's ever been in a [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► BMW briefly and not not like owned one [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► but who's ever just like been one [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► periodically probably thinks the same [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► thing especially if ever had to drive it [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► or fill it up with gas like where the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► hell is the button to do this why is [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► this button backwards why is this [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► weirdly modal for some reason like the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► buttons and controls make no sense i [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► have knobs in my 328 a car phone for [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► nearly three years I don't know what [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they do i select still [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► and like BMWs controls make no sense to [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► anybody for the first day month or year [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► or decade that you have them but you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► just like when you get hooked on the way [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► it drives it overcomes all and and you [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► start actually it starts becoming like a [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► like that symptom where you like your [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► captors start from that yet access yet [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► starts becoming like that like you [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► started like you know what that's [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► actually really clever design [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► oh yeah i actually like how the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► windshield wipers have no true [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► intermittent setting like there's like [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► your pictures are hobbies like weird [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► little things about BMW but but the [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► insanity of what you're saying is you [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► were rent your borrowing renting a what [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► Annie 9328 which by all accounts when [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► that's what you ended up buying and with [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► all due respect by all accounts that is [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► a rolling piece of trash and medals want [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it is woefully underpowered I'm talking [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► from the perspective of somebody who [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► cares about going quickly and so on but [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► no that's not what the cars are [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► necessarily are about yet didn't have it [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► wasn't a the powder 8 weight ratio was [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► not great in my car but it was you know [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► it handled well it was the engine had [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► made nice sounds and was smooth good [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► power delivery like I've I it's not [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that's not a terrible and I really have [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► to say one of the things I enjoyed most [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► about it you know I've always been a big [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► fan of driving stick and with renter [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► it's it's almost impossible to rent a [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► stick unless you know the sports car [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► rentals sometimes we'll even then [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► usually not and so it's a car i was kind [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► of resigned to having to drive these [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► terrible automatics [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► well almost all of this almost automatic [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► now have what used to be called [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► steptronic modes because that's what [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► Audi trip term theirs and they were the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► first ones to really do it in mass i [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► think but i thought it was Porsha [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► proportions to . well that's it for [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► right okay so anyway now all the [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► automatics have these what I call both [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► the matter both manual modes you know [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it's like an automatic that you can you [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► can pick what gear it's in sort of and [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► these are all very different between the [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► different manufacturers like lexus is a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► complete joke to it is a complete joke [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► that there's a few addys is ok but it's [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► backwards I it's I don't know they're [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► very few of these will actually satisfy [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► a driver complete [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► want to be driving stick like if if you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► people in the public are in the market [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► for a car and you like driving stick and [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► you're considering getting automatic [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► that has one of these manual gear [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► selection modes I i urge you to [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► reconsider that decision if it's not a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► dct which we'll get to those are [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► terrible that they here's the problem [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► with those they were just two problems [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► one you never know what gear you're in [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► some of them will have a display in the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► dash somewhere but it's usually really [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► small and kinda hard to see and you just [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► never know like when you're driving a [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► real stick you always know what gear [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► you're in you can tell even if you [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► haven't been like subconsciously keeping [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► track in your head you can at least tell [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► by the position of the gear shift or by [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► how fast your cars going and how it [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► sounds that's be like there's all these [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► different cues but why can't you use the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► same cues with the with the tiptronic [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► type of thing because you're not you're [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► not telling from the position of the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► year student time with well there's i'm [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► here to be different with cars that have [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► power sometimes used to find driving [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► cars that have no power i can tell what [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► gear I'm going on the right here the car [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► don't go no right otherwise it's small [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► now like if I'm in third gear and it's a [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► little bit of a hill and I push the gas [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► nothing happens like oh that's right [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► sorry second we'll just two problems [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► the first problem which exacerbates the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► second problem the first problem is that [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► when you set a gear number in those [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► books manual modes what you're actually [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► setting is the maximum gear usually so [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► if you say be in third gear the car will [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► be in first second or third gear now [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► some of the more modern ones have a mode [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► where it like literally no listen to me [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► when I say go up are you sure you [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► weren't the worst case scenario they'll [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► do the thing where where they will like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► you said they have the maximum and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► there's other ones different policies [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► but usually they have like a knob or [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► something you can adjust it says no [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► actually the policy I want now is hold [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► the gear that you ran until I say so [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► even if you hit the rev limiter just cut [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► off the gas like most most of those [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► automated manual automatics have that [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► moment is on the way that's true that [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the problem is let's say let's say [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► you're cruising at speed and it's and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► it's an overdrive and you want to pass [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► somebody so you you you know drop down [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► to you know 54th whatever and you step [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► on it if you step on it and a stick and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► you're in too high of gear [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► nothing happens if you step on it and [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► your to have a gear in both manual mode [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► of an automatic it will step down for [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► you and almost done that last thing some [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► of them have a mode where they just [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► literally okay you just tell me exactly [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► what to do and I will obey your commands [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► hundreds and I'll stay in the i would [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► like to hear this is the one thing [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► people can email me about i would like [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► to hear what cars have that mode that [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► aren't sports cars with DC's all that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► mean their sporty cars and not it [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► doesn't have anything to do with that [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► being a dual-clutch or anything like [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► that like this even just with a big [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► splash box of torque converter they like [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► to put some sort of little thing where [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you can tell it ok stupid / box being [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► second being there being forth and yes [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► the default water is always like oh you [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► know will mostly be the shifting for you [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► and this is kind of a suggestion or [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► maximum but even those i think they put [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► in this is so easy going to do is just [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► software it's like all right well like [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► it's the motor like you want to go out [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► and pass and you push the pedal down if [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► you forgot to hit the little [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► flappy-paddle thing to go down to girls [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► not going to go anywhere and same thing [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► with the upshifting we'll just we'll [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► just go up to the rev limiter and we [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► won't upshift for you will just cut off [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► the gas [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► sorry hit the paddle that mean the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► problem with those is that when it does [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► second-guess you it it makes it more [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► likely that you will mentally lose track [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► of look you're in [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► that's what i was getting at so I guess [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► that's true especially if it's [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► especially if it's a it's actual [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► automatic with the torque converter like [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► what it is you're isolated from like the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► engine revs and matching up to the the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► car it's not you know it's not fully [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► engaged all the time something that's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► hard i would never buy one of these [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► things and if i did buy that pretend it [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► didn't exist because I don't know who [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► would want to do that it doesn't seem [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► like a good time to me what so when i [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► was doing my year of zipcar the reason [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► why it one of the reasons why i kept [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► hitting 328 even though it was so [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► expensive and i thought all the controls [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► are confusing is because it had by far [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► the best both manual mode i've ever used [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► and now I find better ones but at the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► time i mean it was it was so good and so [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► it was a way for me to simulate and and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► i would i would keep it in manual [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► shifting mode all the time you know [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► backing up parking all the time just to [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► give me some taste of driving stick [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► well the interesting thing about the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► BMW's is the automatics have and i [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► forget what they call it like a step [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► down mode or something like that and so [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► whether or not you're in manual mode if [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► i'm not mistaken if you floor it you [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► actually push push past a stop and then [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► there's like another centimeter of depth [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► to the gas pedal and so in the theory [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► being when you're in full on automatic [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► mode and you really need to get up the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► road [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► that's kind of like a holy go button [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► that's just by pushing the gas all the [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► way the floor and then you push it just [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► a little bit more kind of the same way [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► when you're trying to go into reverse [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► and in a proper six-speed you push the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► stick to the wall in a BMW anyway you [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► push the stick to the left and then you [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► push it just a little bit further in [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► forward and that's why getting reverse [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► did you ever notice that when you're [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► driving 328 i don't think so no I i [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► think that i was always doing the you [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► know that the manual shifting of the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► automatic and Andy for the most part you [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► know because I spent so long either [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► owning automatics because that the [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► corporate automatic ahead so that's [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► another story being spent so long on [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► automatics or renting them i've tried [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► out the bolt manual mode of a lot of [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► automatics and by far the one I like the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► best with BMWs and and and now i know i [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► did this might be a separate episode i [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► did a a race day with BMW with an event [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► we take a bunch of em cars on a track [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► and so I got to drive the current m3 and [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► m5 both of which had a dual-clutch [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► transmissions with you know flappy [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► paddles basically automated manuals and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► those are completely different you would [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► think they're not but trust me they are [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► like you would think that an automatic [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► that has a manual shifting my wouldn't [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► think that it's okay [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► believe me they're different yeah I know [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► you know I I was very skeptical of those [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► you know before we started driving when [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► i said when i got any of these cars were [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► not configured to be sticks and I was [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► very skeptical like okay so I'm at this [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► racetrack driving these race cars and [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► what why are you so you you must not [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► know a lot about racing because writing [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► is all all switch to that ages ago right [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► well I didn't know much every second and [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► it is the readers a reason although all [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► the formula 1 cars have been like that [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► for ages like because it's faster like [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► is not doing it because they don't want [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► that the they didn't want the poor [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► racecar drivers that not have to shift [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► so much too big because [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► makes your cargo around the track faster [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► well and it also in a dct is amazing for [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► a number i I had never been one before [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► this day and and it was shocking how [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► good it was [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► I mean one of the things that that that [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► stick driver should be able to [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► appreciate who are you know purists who [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► the people who would order the new m5 [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► with a stick you know purest would argue [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► you know you don't have the field all [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► this of believe me i know i am a stick . [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► however the dct is better in so many [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► ways that make like for instance when [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► you shift the next year there is zero [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► delay you you push the paddle and you're [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► just in that gear like it's it's a very [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► weird thing for a stick driver to [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► experience the first time at a weird [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► awesome thing you just hit the pedal [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► you're just there is no delay and [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► there's no loss of power you know like [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► you don't have to temporarily release [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the gas to change gears and then go back [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► on the gas [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► there's just no loss of your sin the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► next year it's amazing the mechanics [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► behind that or are just fascinating i [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► mean insured it's basically two [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► different gear boxes that are kind of [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► stapled together around the same [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► driveshaft if you will and i think i got [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that term wrong but didn't want a little [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► eyeliner shows a good terms wrong [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah definitely but i agree with [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► you a friend of mine had a Volkswagen or [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► 32 which was one of the earlier [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► dual-clutch transmissions and while for [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► a litany of reasons that car was not [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► really my cup of tea [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► it was still one of the best . squirt [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► cars I've ever driven in the sense that [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► you . the wheel you mash the gas and it [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► will go and it had you know a Haldex [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► four-wheel-drive system that for the [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► most part we'll just sort itself out and [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► into your point it would shift [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► blindingly fast and by modern standards [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► because that car was I don't like a late [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► to thousands and by modern standards [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that shifted heinous Lee slowly and so [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► it it [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► i I don't know I were actually pitched [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► to the magazine and I wish I knew [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► somebody that worked there an article [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► about how the dct is is a very weird [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► thing for purists like you were saying [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► and I don't know what to make of it and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► I'm sad because I don't know if a proper [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► human operated clutch as long for this [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► well you know before that before the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► DCPS became common and still in the race [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► cars and also still and i believe the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► latest round of Ferraris they go with [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the single clock [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► automated manual because ships faster [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► because it only has one thing to engage [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and disengage and the reason you don't [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► see that in like regular people cars [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► it's because it's harsher like the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► dual-clutch lets you not feel like you [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► know when you have 600 horsepower [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► slamming the next year that he doesn't [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► rattle your bones but in race cars they [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► don't care about your bones and Ferraris [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► they also you know I think it's a [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► Ferrari Lamborghini one of the one of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the two big brands still sticking with [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► single clutch because Marcus sound like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► you're instantly netgear well these guys [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► are measuring their shift times in [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► milliseconds I like well that's 20 [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► milliseconds and this is 15 so we're [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► sticking with single clutch like that's [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► the round that there n whereas how fast [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► can you shift with the lever and a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► clutch and letting off the gas and doing [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► all that stuff obviously the machine is [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► gonna win and they've been holding this [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► stuff and known formula one racing for [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► years and years so those guys are like [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► dual-clutch maybe a little bit soft for [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► us we're gonna stick with single [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► collection while but they had single [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► electron donating manuals and like [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► people cars and they were brutal like [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► people didn't like them because it would [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► hurt their body my next shift gears [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► under heavy acceleration but that you [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► know so that it it is kind of like a [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► softening where I mean it's not it's not [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► a slash box with something telling of [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► the shift but the dual clutch is kind of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► an evolution of like like humans are [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► going to have to drive this and we don't [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► want them to hurt their delicate bodies [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► so it's fast enough it's like it's 55 [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► milliseconds instead of 12 like the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► Ferrari single culture whatever but [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► fifty five milliseconds don't think it's [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► instant and it's working I guess yeah [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► because yeah because as you know it [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► isn't it isn't actually incident but it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► feels you know especially when you come [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► from a stick when you come from [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► relatively slow gearshifts of trying to [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► do it yourself manually even the best [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► stick drivers can't do it in 55 [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► milliseconds and did you see they also [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► have now this is that the other trend i [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► guess it's probably smart a gimmick to [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► sell things but late for what they have [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► now is they'll sell you a stick but it's [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► a red matching stick nissan has not just [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► someone you so when you do it down shift [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► you don't have to heel toe and blip the [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► throttle or whenever it will read match [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► for you when you downshift so which is [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► like okay guys I know you want to stick [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► if you had a paddle we would do we would [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► do this for you with with our engine [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► computer if you did the panels but you [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► want to move the stick so when you move [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► the stick will do the engine rev [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► matching for you and and I guess that [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► could be kind of my friend has one of [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► the new Nissans ease and he says it's he [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► says it's fine i have to try and see [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► what's that sounds terrible to me it [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► seems like thats blending [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the worst of both it's like like you [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► have you you're having this automation [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► which ruins a lot of the purity and and [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► well you can turn it off [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► okay you can turn it off and I guess [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► it's fun right they did same thing with [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► stability control traction control like [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► you know all these cars like a mandated [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► i believe its ethics every single car [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► sold in the US and 2012 model year later [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► has become a stability control one of [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the u.s. standards is so yeah something [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► come in yet so it's got to be in [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► everything and then on most cars they [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► give you mode turned off you know [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► down down down down down and in one mode [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► usually on all of them is completely off [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► which is kind of hilarious video so you [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► like he's a viper with 650 horsepower [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► you can drive that thing with [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► disabilities I could turn the stability [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► control totally off like the best race [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► car drivers in the world maybe maybe [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► might be faster with everything off the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► normal person just going to spin and [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► kill themselves like it's just too much [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► for our so like you know ever even even [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► the car magazines like we turned it down [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► to all the way except the last setting [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► like so now will interfere when it looks [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► like we're gonna die [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► it gives us enough rope to almost hang [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► ourselves if we turn off with a spin our [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► wheels the whole entire time so you know [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that the all these features of like red [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► matching and stuff like that like they [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► probably come with things like are you [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► want to turn off like you don't have to [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► pull fuses you don't have to upgrade [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► your computer just a dial and you can [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► turn it all the way to the I know what [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► I'm doing more didn't see how well you [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► don't maybe there was some warning [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► messages and you know they'll make you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► agree or something and that's how the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► Red matching is just making it slower so [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► that's fine too turned on right now I [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► finally we want to match to whatever you [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► know I feel like you know for a while [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► you know from from when i was looking to [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► buy my maxima and in 2002 from then [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► until really probably the last few years [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► it was looking pretty bleak to be a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► stick fan because it was looking like [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► sticks for going extinct and it was they [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► are well they are however you know now I [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► feel like we're getting some of these [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► like things like do clutches and and you [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► know like a more advanced sticks like [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► what you're describing the rev matching [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► thing I feel like we're getting things [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► that are gonna make transition a little [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► easier like for me the dual-clutch was [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► the very first time I had ever said i [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► can give up my stick for this and be [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► very happy with it and and be and [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► actually be happier with it and i would [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► rather have a dual-clutch then it just [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► sticks aren't going away because no one [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► cares about perform [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► driving the sticks are going away [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► because something different is better at [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► performance driving that's what that's [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► like that they're being replaced it's [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► not as if like all of a sudden you know [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► your your honda accord is going to come [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► with an automated manual transmission [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► know that you know the doomsday [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► scenarios their your hundred come to the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► CVT which I hope never happens but but [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► yeah it's just it's just that upper [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► seven percent of the market that's all [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► going to turn over the sticks are going [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► to go away there are going to be [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► replaced with automated manuals because [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► automated manuals make you go faster and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► people are gonna complain right now my [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► day I need the tiller to you know like [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► it's full just died and then right i [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► mean at some point complaining about you [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► know having having to settle for a [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► dual-clutch or something like that [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► instead of a real stick is going to [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► sound like people now who complained [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► about anti-lock brakes and traction [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► control you know you know you sound like [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► that that battle is gone but I knew that [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► I knew that the days of the days of the [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► stick were over as soon as for I didn't [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► ship one anymore because that unlike [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► well that's it he soon as Ferraris no [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► longer sticks shit as the ships with a [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► stick available even as an option [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the days are over because like that's [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that's my you know dream car that I get [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► when I become rich and famous and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► whatever and when my dream car not like [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► I can't even get it but I just have to [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► admit to myself the time of the stickers [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► over and like if anything I'm getting a [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► honeymoon period of like well Ferraris [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it's going to be gone that was like what [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► five years ago four years ago four wins [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► for our stops shipping with their sticks [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► but yeah that like now that's just like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► a vintage thing the old Ferrari shifter [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► with the with the steel gate in the ball [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► and solvent and I'm enjoying a grace [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► period now when regular cheap cars it's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► still an economical to put in those good [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► automated manual transmission my cord [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► will have stick for you know a couple [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► more generations until I think I'm [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► stupid enough so I feel like the the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► main VI know this is gonna sound biased [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► of course but I feel like the main [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► vehicle that would illustrate one sticks [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► are totally dead is when the 3-series is [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► no longer available with one that's [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► gonna be like next generation I know [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► that's the thing I I don't think it's [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► that far off [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► I think you're exactly right I i think i [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► think everyone was kind of everyone's [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► kind of on edge with the f30 is that the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► 2012 and forward generation everyone was [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► really on edge to see if they would even [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► have the option there because we were [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► kind [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► not sure about it Squarespace is a [TS]

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00:43:04 ◼   ► to consider also that that we are taking [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► a very American perspective on this [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► issue in a sense that that from from [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► what I've seen from what I understood [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► from from Britain and the rest of Europe [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► is that it's very odd to see a car [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► that's an automatic and it's very odd to [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► see a rental car or hired car if you [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► will that's an automatic and so I [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► actually agree with everything you guys [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► said but I wonder if perhaps we're we're [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► being a little myopic about it in the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► sense that maybe you know you'll never [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► see it in America anymore but the rest [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► of the world who actually treats driving [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► as a privilege not a right [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► maybe they'll continue to hold onto the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► house but it'll just take them longer [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► like the reason they stick with six is [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► because first of all sticks are less [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► expensive than automatics which I enjoy [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► because I by 6i pay less money for my [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► cars and so that of course they're gonna [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► stick with less expensive things just [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► have a culture of people knowing how to [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► drive stick there but eventually all [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► those stick like I mean I guess it [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► depends on what the price thing is [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► doesn't automated manual eventually [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► dropped the price where it's actually [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► even cheaper than putting an automatic [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► it's like price i think prices the only [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► price and and [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► a culture of people knowing how to drive [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► stick to what's keeping them sticks not [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► because like Europe like they're all of [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► drive and they all love sticks they [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► don't it's just that you know well they [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► they can get their cross with automatic [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► for an extra 500 bucks but they you know [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► they buy cheap cars they buy small small [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► cheap cars in their tiny narrow streets [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► and that they don't you know want to pay [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► the extra money for an automatic what's [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► interesting also is you to go back to [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the world I know I know most the the the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► new m5 is only available in stick in the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► US and and the the heads of a man stuff [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► have given statements on this date they [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► were going to make one with with just [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► the dct option and the u.s. still [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► demands sticks among high-end sports [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► buyers but that it's like everywhere [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► else in the world the high-end sports [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► buyers don't want sticks they don't care [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and I wonder if it's because you're [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► using seems like what everyday cars [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► right normally the crappy cheap patch [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► back cars will have steaks what I want [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the right lap and on the luxury fancy [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► automatic you know types of things in [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► your sports cars everywhere else and in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► the u.s. automatics are are much more [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► common and sticks are the crazy exotic [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► thing that sports car buyers want and i [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► have to say this is not realize that you [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► had your chord with an automatic I don't [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► like the car with automatic either like [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► and unlike any car with automatic but I [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► was shocked like I i had an accord when [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► I guess the rental they give you and [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► your car is being repaired and had an [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► automatic and I'm like this is [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► disgusting i would never put this kind [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► of hard you know is not yet think the [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► thing about automatics is like that's [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► why you like to BWW wants is a lot of it [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► has to do with software and if you have [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► you know the cameras have terrible [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► automat you know their their software is [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► the worst because it's just totally [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► tuned for smoothness and just like it's [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► just wondering from year-to-year like an [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► old person lost in the hallways of the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► hospital you're like alright whatever [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► but the accord and I could tell the gear [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► was in but it was not making good [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► choices and I was like it you know it's [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► a thing where you push the pedal car [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► doesn't go and when you have a stick [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► shift that's your fault when you have an [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► automatic like all right car get the [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► hint [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► come on don't have to floor it for you [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► to do something wake up LOL yeah that's [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► not a fun experience actually makes me [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► motion sick to drive the kind of an [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► automatic so the yeah the BMW z1 to be [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► able to just came with like normal [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► automatics just plain old / boxes at the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► very least their software tuning was [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► like intelligent and [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► figuring out like you know is the car on [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► a hill what are the current g-forces [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► what it looks like the drivers doing [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► what angles the steering wheel all sorts [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► of factors going to say i think i should [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► up or down shift at this point and if it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► can guess relatively you know smartly [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► like wow this automatic is great even if [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► the shift quality or anything is not [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► anything special just because it picks [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► the same gear and doesn't make you want [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► to tear your hair up onto that and [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► that's when that step down or whatever [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► it was that i was that i was describing [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► earlier is really helpful because when [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► you want that when you want the car to [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► immediately understand i need to go fast [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► right now you have a attacked on [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► tangible way to do that i had that [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► button on my my very first car that i [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► drove which was over the 1981 Volvo [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► station wagon and there was the air [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► conditioning but when you really want to [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► go faster how to turn off the AC news [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► like whoa extra boost of power we are [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► now he was almost 80 horsepower i kid [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► you not the saturn what's the exact same [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► yes the air conditioner is the turbo [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► button of cars it's like you remember [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► the tourney button you old the young [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► enough old enough Raconteurs yeah there [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you go to another unit ECU megahertz [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► well no I was thinking of the pc xt + 18 [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► didn't go too fast but anyway yeah same [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► thing that come with the turbo button [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► and yeah my favorite was how the the pc [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► cases would still come with the turbo [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► button [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► well into the penny ameri well past the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► time when any chips that were shipping [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► and computers had turbo modes and like [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it but you know what we need when you go [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► to the computer store you have like the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► the cheap like store built brand [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► computers they would all have to use [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► generic cases but they wouldn't have [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► their own cases made and they would all [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► have used and so there were so many [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► computers sold to people that had turbo [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► buttons that did nothing [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► they lit up when you press them in [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► sometimes sometimes nothing everything [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the light goes on like goes off it goes [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► on like a picture like it and i'm sure [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► people did this like you know when when [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► they're like doing something really you [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► know their computer sitting grinding [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► away [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► I wonder how many people push the turbo [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► buttons and and actually thought you [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► know we'll see why is it was good that's [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► why that's why i'm thinking i got a [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► google this after the show if this is [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► the case he's describing as a real thing [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► or if he's just crazy [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► no it's a real thing is the last venture [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► the BMW for trapping alignment when I [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► drove my father's BMW has always been [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► r and I haven't Florida so I can't [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► confirm or deny whether I felt some [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► extra little thing at the bottom but [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► yeah now i want to research as my dad [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► about it if he's noticed that it's it's [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► very onto because it feels like you [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► cannot push the the pedal any purpose [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► sounds like such a bad roll out trust me [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► i just keep pressing I don't feel like a [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► MongoDB positive you just press really [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► hard that was to our room [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► hey ya tellin you think I'm falling i [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► kinda wish i was now because that would [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► be a pretty pretty awesome [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► yeah mymy horizontal had that too and it [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► was called the rust eats away at the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► bottom of the you can press the PALS [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► little bit farther than you should [TS]