0:00:00ready set go
0:00:05we do now why is that funny to you
0:00:10well I would you say ready set go I'm
0:00:13telling me that it's it's time to do the
0:00:15show
0:00:16that's what I'm doing d usually mute
0:00:18yourself when you say that I don't
0:00:19usually don't usually say it but no you
0:00:21go into mental marker that ok now the
0:00:24show is beginning like it don't you
0:00:27I don't need to say ready set go to
0:00:29myself no I don't need that
0:00:30okay well you're better podcaster than I
0:00:33am
0:00:34on your marks yeah mark get set go all
0:00:40right Mike
0:00:41where is my my curly vlog well I thought
0:00:45that I thought these things were up on
0:00:47sundays i understand from you from you
0:00:50of all people the incredible importance
0:00:52of schedules yet there was there was no
0:00:54blog this weekend
0:00:55I cannot believe that you're the first
0:00:57person to say this to me like of
0:00:59everyone in the world to ask where's the
0:01:02vlog I think I'd really didn't think it
0:01:04would be mister mister schedule over
0:01:06there
0:01:07well here's here's the reason I'm asking
0:01:09it's your fault for setting up these
0:01:10expectations but it's that they're on a
0:01:12regular basis
0:01:14I know you said you said that you had
0:01:15like your little get-out-of-jail-free
0:01:16phrase whatever it was you're like oh
0:01:18frequent but not something i don't even
0:01:22remember what it was that you said you
0:01:23know then you go ahead and upload at
0:01:25like the same time on the same day for
0:01:27four weeks in a row and so now you've
0:01:30set a schedule and so now you have
0:01:32failed to meet my expectations and I'm
0:01:33disappointed the uploading on the
0:01:35Sunday's was just because the only time
0:01:37i had to work on the videos was the
0:01:39weekend right it was like what is done
0:01:40by sunday because now i'm going to get
0:01:42to back to work on Monday which is fun
0:01:44actually because it makes it feel more
0:01:46like a side project in a weird way like
0:01:48I'm stealing like my weekend evening
0:01:50hours to do it right but no i haven't
0:01:53done one this week because we finally
0:01:56have the keys to the house
0:01:58hey we have we have the key to cortex
0:02:01cottage
0:02:02wow that was that was a hell of a Zeno's
0:02:07paradox getting closer and closer to
0:02:09those keys from my messages that you
0:02:12were sending me all
0:02:12yeah it was always like it's two months
0:02:15away right and then two months pass and
0:02:17it's it's one month away than one month
0:02:19passes and you lose two weeks way like
0:02:22we're getting closer but not right that
0:02:24was that was my experience watching you
0:02:26go through this i just had this like
0:02:28mental image of the estate agent was
0:02:31handed me the keys and they would drop
0:02:33the keys and then every time I went to
0:02:36pick up the key so I kicked them this
0:02:39was like the way my brain there is
0:02:41Persephone is it just every now and then
0:02:44I'd been outside of just kicked it away
0:02:46again and it just you know further and
0:02:48further but we finally have the keys
0:02:50wow that is that is exciting so are we
0:02:52recording from mega office right now
0:02:53we were supposed to be 0 because we were
0:02:57supposed to record like three days ago
0:02:59uh-huh but i have spent the week with
0:03:03contractors and then the contractors
0:03:06needed more contractors who needed more
0:03:08contractors who needed lots of
0:03:09contractors
0:03:10yeah it just kept going and going and
0:03:12going there was an apprentice at one
0:03:14point i'm being totally serious
0:03:15oh god that's not what you want to hear
0:03:17right it's like subcontractors all the
0:03:19way down
0:03:20fine i understand this you know this is
0:03:22how you how you build things and you
0:03:24know why build one when you can build
0:03:25two for twice the price but you don't
0:03:28want the apprentice the apprentice feels
0:03:30a bit like I don't know anymore
0:03:32looks like your situation so bad
0:03:34somebody can learn from it
0:03:35yeah it's actually i was i was just was
0:03:41just in the in the doctor's office and
0:03:43they there was a big sign up saying that
0:03:44there wasn't a not an apprentice but
0:03:46like a trainee but it might as well have
0:03:47said like we have the magician's
0:03:48apprentice today
0:03:49yeah and because like i don't know how i
0:03:51feel about this also as well like I
0:03:54completely have faith in the plumbers
0:03:58that we haven't but every now and then
0:03:59when I walk around the corner and the
0:04:01apprentice putting the pipes in also can
0:04:04you just not like switch over every time
0:04:06you hear the door open right so like I
0:04:08only see the fully-qualified plumber put
0:04:11my pipes in is that ok can we do that
0:04:13please yeah even though like she glue
0:04:16she knew what she was doing at one point
0:04:18of time according to had a blowtorch and
0:04:19I was like your heart a lot better
0:04:22everything that I am but you're handling
0:04:24a blowtorch right now and
0:04:25not really sure why but good luck to you
0:04:27so it has been a tough week i had an
0:04:32entire set of equipment ready including
0:04:35a macbook adorable which is probably the
0:04:38best computer in the world
0:04:40oh that doesn't run iOS of course
0:04:43because we know the ipad to get king but
0:04:45that thing is it's incredible it's it's
0:04:48like barely a computer is this is
0:04:50nothing there is amazing i love it I
0:04:52love it
0:04:53wow what a convert I couldn't believe it
0:04:55I had it for like a day and then I added
0:04:57a show on it and it was fine
0:04:59who's absolutely fine and it also weighs
0:05:02nothing
0:05:03yes I get that it's the nothing is
0:05:06computer you can possibly own it's
0:05:07incredible and it's gold of course of
0:05:11course we got a gold one and it has
0:05:12stickers on it and it looks incredible
0:05:14already so I had all this equipment
0:05:16ready to record from there and it was
0:05:18gonna be this like funny episode where
0:05:20is like all this echo and like I'm
0:05:21sitting on the floor button but no we
0:05:23couldn't do it because the situation
0:05:25kept getting worse and worse and I was
0:05:28there for two straight days in a room on
0:05:30a chair with a little table in front of
0:05:33me that have been left from the previous
0:05:35people on my own with just things
0:05:38happening around me for two straight
0:05:40days so just contractors coming in the
0:05:43Apple painting
0:05:44yep and then have electricity hums
0:05:46however as pipes were falling out the
0:05:48wall and it you know it just
0:05:49everything's fine and it's good now it
0:05:53was not good for a while but like it's
0:05:56ok now but it's just meant that this
0:05:58week has been an absolute disaster
0:06:00yeah justjust that the listeners
0:06:01understand when mike says pipes were
0:06:03falling out of the wall that is not an
0:06:05exaggeration
0:06:06there was a situation where a pipe
0:06:08literally fell out of a wall
0:06:10yeah it did that one hundred percent
0:06:11happened he just touched it and it fell
0:06:15off so it's been it's been a week so far
0:06:20like it's what day is it today is
0:06:22Thursday Wednesday Thursday Thursday
0:06:24today it feels like it's next wednesday
0:06:26right I i thought like it's weird in a
0:06:30way like the buying process was it was a
0:06:32time suck but it was completely
0:06:35different to this one because the buying
0:06:36process was short bursts of my
0:06:38I'm spread out over an incredibly long
0:06:40period who little this this part with
0:06:43like the getting the house ready is
0:06:45intensely long periods of time
0:06:48who over two days it's felt way worse
0:06:50that way because I've I've lot like
0:06:52completely lost multiple days of work
0:06:55but it's nearly there and not in the way
0:06:58of like the house buying process nearly
0:07:00there because all of the bad stuff is
0:07:04taken care of now
0:07:05yeah see the thing is though I like I
0:07:07don't even want to jinx it by saying
0:07:08when do you think you're going to be
0:07:09moved in but it's just like but you
0:07:12never this you're still you are still
0:07:14deep in unknown unknown territory here
0:07:18right like you think all of the bad
0:07:20stuff is over but now that you are
0:07:23actually in the house you'll find out if
0:07:25that's true that there is a thing we
0:07:28will be moved in
0:07:30give or take him for weeks because we
0:07:33had no choice we have to leave this
0:07:35house so okay
0:07:37the house may not be ready but ok but we
0:07:40can't be here anymore so we're going to
0:07:42be ejected from your current location
0:07:43and then you need to land somewhere so
0:07:46you will be in the house and four weeks
0:07:47exactly because the house i'm sitting in
0:07:50right now has been sold
0:07:52okay i don't think they will want us to
0:07:55be here
0:07:55no probably not probably not the new
0:07:59owners will not want you there
0:08:00no they can't you see I'm recording in
0:08:02here get out you need to be really quiet
0:08:05I don't care that this is your bedroom I
0:08:07don't care just get out of here so that
0:08:09is the current situation
0:08:11it has been a hellacious and relatively
0:08:14expensive week let me so far
0:08:17which brings us to our next item on the
0:08:20agenda today we have a new t-shirt for
0:08:23sale
0:08:24we're bringing back the monkey brain
0:08:26haha that this is a t-shirt design that
0:08:30many people have asked for
0:08:31so we are bringing it back and it's
0:08:33currently on sale for three weeks
0:08:36it is a limited edition variation of the
0:08:39monkey brain shot and we have take we
0:08:41have rejected him from the circle that
0:08:42he was once contained in and he is now
0:08:45adorned on the just of the shirt in
0:08:47monkey brain glory and we have we have a
0:08:50working title for the shirt
0:08:52called the cortex collagen tradition
0:08:54monkey brain t-shirt but you have to
0:08:57understand listeners like really has
0:09:00bought a house
0:09:01yep and really does have expenses that
0:09:05need to be covered
0:09:07it's like you to do I mind my own
0:09:09business i get messages from mike about
0:09:11like time for a t-shirt I go why and
0:09:14then I hear a long story about a boiler
0:09:16that ends in total horror right total
0:09:20horror and large unexpected expense and
0:09:23so I said yes Mike I think not only not
0:09:27only do we need to have a t-shirt but i
0:09:29think that this t-shirt really does need
0:09:31to be dedicated to the cortex cottage to
0:09:34Mike's new house and solving some
0:09:36serious problems for him so please
0:09:38listeners and you should really buy one
0:09:41of these for Mike now I want to make
0:09:44something super clear
0:09:45uh-huh if nobody bought this t-shirt I
0:09:49would be okay right
0:09:51we would be fine but if everyone places
0:09:53t-shirt
0:09:54I'm in a much better situation if it's
0:09:56not like Mike loses the house if you
0:09:57don't buy the t-shirt but Mike will feel
0:10:00a lot better if you do we had some
0:10:02severely unexpected costs and and if
0:10:06they are able to be covered that would
0:10:09be brilliant
0:10:10that would be very nice it would make me
0:10:12super happy
0:10:13so we've made a really nice t-shirt and
0:10:16there is a a a house icon on the back of
0:10:19it and very tiny so you know that you
0:10:21have supported cortex cottage there is
0:10:24distribution from the US and from the EU
0:10:26we have very very nice
0:10:29yep so people can choose in the past
0:10:32we've he done like you hit one Lincoln
0:10:33you get taken to whichever country
0:10:35around we're doing slightly differently
0:10:37this time because they're different
0:10:38colors available to us in the US and the
0:10:40EU so i'm going to put both links in
0:10:44take a look
0:10:45choose what college you like see how the
0:10:46pricing works out for you and you can
0:10:48choose what you want is because the
0:10:49supply that we have they have different
0:10:51colors available so go take a look see
0:10:54which ones you like and buy as many as
0:10:57you can
0:10:59seriously I want to just point out i'm
0:11:05fine i'm totally fine we are fine but if
0:11:08you buy a t-shirt i would really
0:11:10appreciate it I do like that sales pitch
0:11:13of drive it like you're not necessarily
0:11:15going for breath there you're going for
0:11:17death like if you're buying a t-shirt
0:11:18maybe you should consider seven yeah
0:11:20that's that's four colors right
0:11:23choose two of them right there are there
0:11:25are four colors and yes it really it
0:11:27really is dedicated to mikes house i
0:11:30really do like the little little design
0:11:32on the back of the shirt that has a tiny
0:11:35little house along with the the sort of
0:11:37the serial number and a bit of the
0:11:38redundant t-shirt moti from before so I
0:11:41think it looks great and I think it
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0:14:03way to cook earlier on your complaining
0:14:06about the fact that i have employer in a
0:14:08video yeah you've got me covered because
0:14:11you can't stop you're a kid
0:14:13no that's not how this works I think the
0:14:15install you are an out-of-character
0:14:17abundance of videos recently am I though
0:14:22yeah but you are could you you posted
0:14:24like a million videos across your
0:14:25various channels what have you done
0:14:27nothing can look now
0:14:28no it see what we got okay look I know
0:14:31people say this i know people say this
0:14:33and I think it's part of the joke people
0:14:35have to be like oh look cgpgrey is
0:14:37uploading a bunch of videos even even
0:14:41weirdly youtube trends got in on this
0:14:43joke which I thought was kind of funny
0:14:45really
0:14:46yeah you see I don't know I don't know
0:14:47if you are aware of this but if I don't
0:14:50think it's not on the main site but if
0:14:51you open up YouTube on the app yeah
0:14:54there's the trending videos section and
0:14:57I always kind of wondered about the
0:14:58details of this process but some of the
0:15:00videos have an editorial comment below
0:15:04them like presumably I have no idea but
0:15:08presumably there's someone at YouTube
0:15:11who is vetting what goes on the trending
0:15:14page to make sure that they don't end up
0:15:16with something terrible on and that's
0:15:17kind of my guess is probably what
0:15:18they're up to and part of that process
0:15:21is a key
0:15:22usually like there's an editorial
0:15:24comment below the trending video and
0:15:26when I released one of the electoral
0:15:28college ones the second one or something
0:15:30that there was a little comment which
0:15:31said like cgpgrey unusually releases to
0:15:35videos in a week about the electoral
0:15:36college it's like okay I guess even the
0:15:41structure of YouTube wants to get in on
0:15:43the gag that cgpgrey never releases with
0:15:45you is very frequently so happy thanks
0:15:47whoever that editor was but I still
0:15:49maintain that this totally doesn't count
0:15:53because as far as i'm concerned i
0:15:56released like one-and-a-half real videos
0:16:02i released the rules for rulers video
0:16:04and then the follow-up with the death
0:16:08and dynasties video that was whatever it
0:16:10was I think maybe eight days 10 days
0:16:12later something like that
0:16:14I view that as like one-and-a-half
0:16:16videos and then I released a bunch of
0:16:18nonsense and your short things and that
0:16:21like those are not those are not videos
0:16:23I don't think those count as actual
0:16:25video releases or anything but everybody
0:16:28likes to joke about them so I want to
0:16:30just just countless up here you released
0:16:33a video of a dog in the park
0:16:36I don't even know why you did that like
0:16:38iconic whose is that your daughter's dog
0:16:40is anyway roles for rollers deaf and
0:16:44dynasties an updated version of the
0:16:46trouble of the electoral college read
0:16:48the trouble with the Electoral College
0:16:49cities and then it cuts off a can see
0:16:51from where I am right now and then also
0:16:54a video about an apple book which is a
0:16:56whole other can of worms
0:16:58yeah this is a lot this is a lot for you
0:17:01gray this is I mean I know the psycho is
0:17:04the final video to help video this is
0:17:06like six youtube videos in a month right
0:17:11ok it's just it's strange it's just
0:17:13strange to see you be so prolific if
0:17:16you've clearly there's been a few things
0:17:18that you've got a lot to say about
0:17:19recently
0:17:21well if you know it's been a it's been a
0:17:22strange time but I will stand by my
0:17:25remark that a I think like a 19 second
0:17:29clip of a dog chasing some parakeets in
0:17:31a park does not count as a video and i
0:17:33think a
0:17:3518 seconds comment that just changes the
0:17:38number from a previous video does not
0:17:39count as a video so I i I'm firmly
0:17:43standing by that notion that I've
0:17:45actually released one-and-a-half videos
0:17:47over this length of time
0:17:48sure the that dog video I think I
0:17:51recognize a piece of hardware used to
0:17:53make that video i would do you I do
0:17:56yeah and I know is that in another video
0:17:58that you tweeted you bought the Ozma
0:17:59didn't yes i did i was i was actually
0:18:02wondering if you were going to notice
0:18:03that all i know is that I've just wait
0:18:05until now to tell you that you will so
0:18:07you tweeted a video of you walking in a
0:18:09park
0:18:09I think the who I don't know I I thought
0:18:11when you have with the dog video that
0:18:13you bought it with the walking in the
0:18:16park and 100 percentile case anybody
0:18:18doesn't know this is a like a gimbal
0:18:21like a Steadicam type thing you put your
0:18:23phone into i bought one and shoot some
0:18:25my blog footage on it and i know that
0:18:27some of the footage that I showed you
0:18:28when we're all you were very excited
0:18:31about it so i can see I can see that you
0:18:33bought it why did you get that you just
0:18:35interested
0:18:36yeah I guess we hope we haven't talked
0:18:38about that gamble on the show I think no
0:18:40don't think we have ok it's ok so first
0:18:44anyone who's not aware a gimbal is
0:18:46essentially like a little handheld
0:18:47stabilizer yeah and there are a bunch of
0:18:51them that are used specifically with
0:18:53phones so while something like the
0:18:55iphone has video stabilization built
0:18:57into it there they they are these
0:19:00devices which will mean it's so cool to
0:19:03see them in operation that they do their
0:19:05best job to hold the phone in the same
0:19:08location in space as you're walking
0:19:10around and it's it's it's very
0:19:13interesting to see how this little
0:19:14mechanical arm counteracts however you
0:19:17move it and the result is that you can
0:19:19get some really fantastic looking
0:19:21footage if you know what you're doing
0:19:23with it and the company that makes this
0:19:24one is called the Osmo mobile is DJ I
0:19:27which is the company that also makes all
0:19:29the best drums
0:19:30mmm i forget that they're the drone
0:19:32company to they make the Phantom and the
0:19:35Maverick and inspire they make all of
0:19:37those i have had had this on my mind for
0:19:39a long time as a piece of hardware that
0:19:42I wanted
0:19:42get because basically there's a project
0:19:46that was on my mind that I wanted to do
0:19:48that would require some actual real-life
0:19:53footage and so getting a gimbal had
0:19:57always been in the back of my mind and
0:19:59that one's I had looked at I never
0:20:01thought of great and then I was super
0:20:02impressed by your gamble when I saw it
0:20:05in action and so i finally decided let
0:20:07me get this and let me just do some test
0:20:10footage with it to see if this thing
0:20:13that I want to do will even work and
0:20:16it's like right now it looks like the
0:20:17answer to that is probably not but I i
0:20:21definitely just wanted to get in and try
0:20:23it out and so forth that's partly why i
0:20:24like I have this this little video clip
0:20:26of a stabilized dog chasing parakeets in
0:20:30the park is I was just walking around
0:20:31the park and kind of shooting stuff and
0:20:33playing around with it and trying to get
0:20:34a feel for how does this work but it is
0:20:37a fantastic piece of equipment so cool
0:20:40yeah and and like it's not cheap
0:20:43nobody anybody out there if you are
0:20:45thinking of doing any kind of logging I
0:20:48feel like I can really hardly recommend
0:20:50this thing like it's it's going to make
0:20:52your footage looks so much better and
0:20:55and it has what i think is hilariously
0:20:58like the vlogger mode where you can have
0:21:00the camera pointed at yourself and it
0:21:01will track your face
0:21:03yeah so you can write so you can be
0:21:04holding holding out your camera in front
0:21:06of you and doing the like look at me i'm
0:21:09walking around shooting a blog like I
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0:21:17center of the frame because it's doing
0:21:19live facial recognition on you and
0:21:22making sure to always keep your face in
0:21:24the center which is almost like magic
0:21:26witchcraft levels of Technology now but
0:21:29it's it's very cool and i think i can
0:21:31even as someone who is not a vlogger
0:21:33like I can totally recommend this as a
0:21:35piece of equipment if you're thinking
0:21:35about this
0:21:36my favorite thing that it does you can
0:21:39say to it i want a time lapse from here
0:21:42to here you you move it around so like i
0:21:44want you to go from this point to this
0:21:46point and I want two minutes of footage
0:21:48and you put it down
0:21:49I've got this little stand that you can
0:21:50put in you clip it in leave it and it
0:21:52will just move on its own and it gives
0:21:54you the footage it's the
0:21:55it's awesome i did some of that stuff in
0:21:57my Island video they could just getting
0:21:59like the kinda time-lapse videos of the
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0:22:27shameless Mike yeah I really think it
0:22:32looks cool and super expensive and I as
0:22:34we have already out late I can't justify
0:22:36that right now
0:22:38so how are you doing this how are you
0:22:42making these videos like everybody
0:22:44listen to the show knows that it takes
0:22:46you forever to put video together even
0:22:48with your new process of having an
0:22:50animator the scripts we have establishes
0:22:53take you months at best I can I don't
0:22:56understand how you're doing this
0:22:59based on your own kind of very stringent
0:23:02requirements that you set for yourself
0:23:05I mean okay well let's just let's take a
0:23:07look at the ones that i uploaded to them
0:23:08the real youtube channel not the cg b
0:23:10grade to youtube channel you know right
0:23:12where i upload an interesting things so
0:23:15this was this was interesting because
0:23:16the two little Electoral College follow
0:23:20up video that I did were actually now
0:23:22the first time I have animated something
0:23:25in three videos worth of time you can't
0:23:28tell i think i think you really can't
0:23:37tell
0:23:38oh no you can you review you can tell ya
0:23:41I'm used to the new style now grey I
0:23:44gonna say no the new the new thing is
0:23:45much better
0:23:46uh-huh i'm and and so I had they were
0:23:51really animated because i was partly
0:23:52just pulling footage from my old videos
0:23:54and and laying stuff down not on top of
0:23:57them so that was very easy to do mean
0:24:00that the first one where I'm just simply
0:24:01commenting on the fact that the number
0:24:02of times the electoral colleges had this
0:24:05strange result has increased you know
0:24:07that I mean that i put
0:24:09that together in like an hour the
0:24:12morning of the election results from my
0:24:15perspective in the UK which would have
0:24:16been late late night in America that was
0:24:19really simple to do I mean here's here's
0:24:22a funny thing which is the longer video
0:24:25which is the the one with the ridiculous
0:24:27title like read the trouble with the
0:24:29electoral college that was that was just
0:24:31a case of I was really trying to write a
0:24:36whole new video about the Electoral
0:24:37College recognize that i had an enormous
0:24:41amount of stuff that I wanted to say
0:24:43about it also recognized that there was
0:24:47no way that I could do this in the
0:24:52timeframe that I would want to do it and
0:24:56i kinda shelved this big update to the
0:25:00Electoral College video but then pretend
0:25:05a little bit like the rules for rulers
0:25:06thing that we discussed last time like I
0:25:08just like I found myself just constantly
0:25:11thinking about a couple of parts of that
0:25:15video and so the the follow-up thing
0:25:20that I ended up putting up on friday i
0:25:24feel like that video was the flip side
0:25:26of the same process that produce the
0:25:28rules for rulers now in the case of the
0:25:31rules for rulers like I'm really happy
0:25:33with this video that I produced that I
0:25:34couldn't let go that kind of drove me
0:25:36crazy for a while but I i think that the
0:25:39the the update video is is the flip side
0:25:42of this coin because it's a video that
0:25:44is is frankly like not very good
0:25:47it was produced in an absurdly short
0:25:50period of time
0:25:51it's the kind of thing that like looking
0:25:53at it almost immediately after its
0:25:55published i can see all of the writing
0:25:59and structural flaws with it but it's
0:26:03like but it was produced in a day
0:26:05essentially like I took a bunch of stuff
0:26:06that I had written i rewrote it as a
0:26:09different thing in the morning
0:26:10animated in the afternoon and then put
0:26:12it up on the YouTube channel and then I
0:26:14felt like free right I feel like okay
0:26:17brain you can let go of this now we've
0:26:20done a thing
0:26:22it's not a very good thing but at least
0:26:25like you you you can let this go are we
0:26:27can stop thinking about this for now and
0:26:29we can come back to it and do it
0:26:32properly at some point down the road but
0:26:35but that's what was occurring here also
0:26:37for various reasons this probably isn't
0:26:39the right time for that video in a weird
0:26:41way
0:26:41yeah I like I can't even I can't even
0:26:43judge if it is or not like who knows
0:26:45like it's from a perspective of catching
0:26:48the zeitgeist of course it is but to do
0:26:50an objective video when you look at that
0:26:54it's probably not the right time for it
0:26:55yeah it might be better to wait until a
0:26:58period in which nobody really cares
0:26:59about politics and then try to release
0:27:01the thing I i don't know i don't know
0:27:03I've had a bunch of thoughts about it
0:27:05but sometimes i think these things
0:27:06happen in the working process where you
0:27:08can see the like different outcomes that
0:27:12result from the same process and I think
0:27:14the rules are rules video and the read
0:27:18the Electoral College video are just
0:27:20like an astounding example of opposite
0:27:22results from the same fundamental thing
0:27:24like sometimes I can't let a thing go
0:27:27sometimes a 20-minute video pops out of
0:27:29that which took six months right
0:27:31sometimes form a half minute video took
0:27:33a day again did they spoke extremes at
0:27:36the same thing
0:27:37yeah and also wildly varying quality
0:27:40levels like it'sit's just it's
0:27:42interesting to see but it's like I keep
0:27:44I keep sort of joking online that that
0:27:46video was way more about catharsis guy
0:27:51just like I need to do this so that i
0:27:54can let it go right and then and that's
0:27:56and that's where we are now so i think
0:27:59that is partly why there has ended up
0:28:00being a bunch of videos that i have put
0:28:02up in a relatively short period of time
0:28:04is funny to see when you go on these
0:28:07vents the you know like I'm glad I'm
0:28:10glad it's funny for someone because it's
0:28:12not funny for me it's like not funny
0:28:14ha-ha right but it's it's just like
0:28:17every now and then I'll see you do a
0:28:19thing and I just know that your illness
0:28:23you're in a state
0:28:25you know like you set up a whole new
0:28:27reddit to help you trying combat some of
0:28:30this like I just I just watch you you
0:28:33just spiral and then come back again one
0:28:37day you're gonna fall down that hole and
0:28:38I don't know what I'm gonna do to that
0:28:41point i'll just keep watching you from
0:28:44can sort of forgot that I set up the
0:28:45second read it and I do like someone
0:28:47pointed out to me like you know you've
0:28:49done this before set up an alternative
0:28:51really collect totally forgot oops
0:28:55yeah it's you know bursts of activity
0:28:59and you know right right now I feel like
0:29:03a a burnt-out shell of a human being at
0:29:07the moment is is what has happened on
0:29:09the other end of this like this is this
0:29:12is I think an unusual amount of activity
0:29:14like really just a lot
0:29:17yeah I've had a bunch of videos in a
0:29:20relatively short period of time we go
0:29:22watch that dog video people it's like
0:29:23that yeah thats what its last that's the
0:29:25real money you know just go wash the dog
0:29:28video remember last time we were talking
0:29:33about Steve Jobs and the Apple board and
0:29:37the end of looking at how he put his
0:29:39keys into place
0:29:41Sasquatch Yeti on the reddit provided
0:29:43some some follow-up that I wanted to to
0:29:45read so they said i remember reading
0:29:48about this in the water
0:29:49isaacson biography and the story is more
0:29:51bold than great imagined who I know
0:29:54right after job tried to make his first
0:29:57change to the board and they wanted to
0:29:58study it for two months before
0:29:59implementing it he called them we
0:30:01couldn't save the company if he wasn't
0:30:03going to get the support he needed he
0:30:04demanded that everybody quit or he would
0:30:06resign immediately so the board all
0:30:09resigned at once except one guy that job
0:30:12said could stay then he replaced all of
0:30:16these people with people have his
0:30:17choosing he knew he had all the leverage
0:30:20because who wants to be on the board
0:30:22that brought Steve Jobs back to Apple
0:30:24then lost him again
0:30:26interesting and the company was doing so
0:30:30badly at that point that they would
0:30:31absolutely get blamed for continuing to
0:30:34tank after landing jobs go they needed
0:30:37him more than they even needed their own
0:30:40board seats that is a fascinating
0:30:42additional detail there of how was it
0:30:46that he was able to manipulate the board
0:30:50of directors to be so on his side yet
0:30:53because it was just basically it's it's
0:30:55either you do what I say or the company
0:30:57blows up right and in addition to that
0:31:00the board had already brought him back
0:31:02yep and it would look terrible if he
0:31:05quit and they're all calculating for
0:31:08their future careers
0:31:10it looks terrible for them as board
0:31:12members of other companies if that is
0:31:14that is very interesting and I feel like
0:31:16again as an example of structures lining
0:31:18up so that a thing can happen in a
0:31:21particular way that if there's a very
0:31:22interesting additional detail to the
0:31:24story because the stars are all aligned
0:31:26right they approve the buyout next thing
0:31:28right next to it so S&M brought jobs
0:31:31back into the fold and it created this
0:31:33beautifully romantic story who the man
0:31:35coming back to save the company and then
0:31:38he just leaves again click with you you
0:31:41get you don't want to get a handle and
0:31:42that would totally have tanked the
0:31:44company at the time like I completely
0:31:46see that as a as just a death knell for
0:31:49we've made an acquisition and the main
0:31:53dude is out the door as soon as he
0:31:55possibly can be
0:31:56we just think of like the the way the
0:31:57stock market reacted right job comes
0:31:59back sees how bad it is and decides he
0:32:02can't say that leaves
0:32:04yeah and it's also brings that the
0:32:06interesting thing which speaking a board
0:32:09of directors I think this is a detail
0:32:11that people are often unaware of is how
0:32:16much CEOs are often boards of directors
0:32:19for other companies like how closely
0:32:22related lots of seemingly competitive
0:32:26companies are and then that makes sense
0:32:29as to why like why do the board of
0:32:31directors about apple care a lot about
0:32:33protecting their reputation
0:32:36it's because they are going to be
0:32:37connected with a bunch of other
0:32:38companies that
0:32:39either they are the CEOs of or that they
0:32:41are on the board of directors of just to
0:32:45give a tidbit on that if people don't
0:32:46know a tim cook CEO of Apple he's on the
0:32:49board of nike yeah
0:32:51yep and Eddy Cue who's a senior
0:32:54vice-president Apple he's on the board
0:32:55ferrari loose
0:32:57yep this is this is the thing that is so
0:32:59much more common than you think it is
0:33:01and if you ever dig into the details of
0:33:03like pick a random company look at their
0:33:06board of directors and it just it
0:33:08spirals out into a web of other
0:33:11companies and it's like okay this makes
0:33:14sense as to like yr apple and nike
0:33:17working together on an Apple watch is
0:33:18like okay well because their senior
0:33:21level people are like trading positions
0:33:24with each other in their companies as
0:33:27far as how they're related so it's I
0:33:29think it's a very interesting phenomenon
0:33:30of bored interconnectedness among
0:33:33companies so Bob Iger who is the CEO of
0:33:37disney was on the board Apple who
0:33:39there we go wonder how that pic
0:33:41something went down right exactly
0:33:44exactly thats that's how this goes
0:33:46that's that's how this goes it's another
0:33:49one of the ways that a company can
0:33:50distribute rewards to key supporters who
0:33:53are also people who are in charge of
0:33:56companies that can be quite useful to
0:33:58the CEO of the primary company like you
0:34:00can you can just see the structure a
0:34:02little bit unveiled if you ever trace
0:34:05the board relationships across company
0:34:06so seemingly seemingly competitive
0:34:09companies often will have key members of
0:34:12other boards who are like on the other
0:34:13person's company you think how much are
0:34:15you really competing it doesn't seem
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0:37:44have spent a ton of time on this show
0:37:46talking about email
0:37:48oh yeah and that what we have right like
0:37:51I think it's like if you if somebody was
0:37:53to to really kind of outline the major
0:37:56themes of the show email has definitely
0:37:58been one of those things
0:37:59mm and I think it's because and I think
0:38:01there is an element that everybody can
0:38:02relate to because if you work in any
0:38:04kind of company email is a big part of
0:38:06it right no matter what you do e-mail
0:38:07kind of it just has its way of just
0:38:09putting its tendrils out to touch every
0:38:11part of your life whether you like it or
0:38:12not
0:38:13yes it can be all-consuming did you hear
0:38:17about the to-do about the disaster with
0:38:19the NHS and their email system i saw
0:38:22some headlines about as funny as i saw
0:38:24this headline on on hacker news i think
0:38:27ya up and I didn't pay much attention to
0:38:30it but as i mentioned i was just
0:38:32recently in a doctor's office and when I
0:38:33was there I was overhearing the two
0:38:35secretaries complaining about this thing
0:38:38that occurred I was like okay I see what
0:38:40happened here essentially somebody
0:38:42accidentally sent out a message to all
0:38:46of the two million plus members of staff
0:38:50who are on the NHL email list which also
0:38:55includes like return generally related
0:38:58industries like there's tons of doctors
0:38:59who work in private practice who would
0:39:01also get this message just like okay so
0:39:03a message went out with two million
0:39:05recipients and then what everybody was
0:39:08caught in is reply all so hope
0:39:13with two million people there ended up
0:39:16being a million people replying saying
0:39:20this message wasn't supposed to be for
0:39:22me right there replying all and then
0:39:24other Ben's like you can see what
0:39:26suddenly happens and the the two
0:39:28secretaries I was overhearing them say
0:39:31that they've got a call from someone at
0:39:33the NHS like trying to tell everybody
0:39:34individually how to sort out this
0:39:36problem like don't reply to any of these
0:39:39messages like we just need to delete
0:39:41them we meet like this is this is a
0:39:43terrible half-life situation we need to
0:39:45make it go down as fast as possible but
0:39:48but quite legitimately they were saying
0:39:50that their inboxes were filled with
0:39:52hundreds and hundreds of a relevant
0:39:55messages surrounding the actual
0:39:59legitimate messages hundreds has to be
0:40:02understating it
0:40:03what I mean is hundreds between each
0:40:05legitimate message
0:40:06oh right so list of his weaknesses but
0:40:09for envelope
0:40:10it's like what do you do what do you do
0:40:12anyway that's one that's one of the joys
0:40:15of email reply off of my favorite things
0:40:18is when you get caught one of those and
0:40:19then somebody replies all saying please
0:40:21take me off this
0:40:22yeah you are contributing to the problem
0:40:24you're trying to solve it's infuriating
0:40:26and and i keep saying half life because
0:40:28like this is this is the real situation
0:40:29and I'm i remember a the graduate school
0:40:32that I went to it it took me years to
0:40:36get off some reply-all emails chain that
0:40:39it happened while I was there right and
0:40:41it's just like it was just like much
0:40:44smaller scale but a similar thing of you
0:40:45know somebody sent out a message to
0:40:47everybody who was in the graduate school
0:40:49department which ended up being just a
0:40:50ton of people and people were applying
0:40:52all about taking off an argument was
0:40:53like you know a big burst in the
0:40:56beginning but i remember years later
0:40:58still getting someone replying all to
0:41:00this entire list you know complaining
0:41:01about the existence of the list is like
0:41:03you're the problem
0:41:04you're the problem don't reply all like
0:41:06if everything just stays quiet and calm
0:41:08this can go away really fast but it
0:41:10doesn't so I'm sure the NHS will be
0:41:13dealing with this until the end of time
0:41:15with two million people so the reason I
0:41:18brought up email today and is I found a
0:41:21new email app that I think is really
0:41:23interesting and ya mean you spent a ton
0:41:25of time on the show
0:41:26talking about apps that are specific to
0:41:28our own preferences and needs like what
0:41:31was that one that you use univox uni
0:41:33barks at you maybe I can't imagine
0:41:35everybody that listens to show once or
0:41:38needs the application because it deals
0:41:39even a very specific way
0:41:41look at this this one that i found this
0:41:43app Gordon ocean it's probably the best
0:41:47email app that I've used for specific
0:41:49features and those features our business
0:41:53email so it does a few things now it is
0:41:58phone only at the moment they are
0:42:00working on tablet apps on iOS and
0:42:02Android and they are using machine
0:42:06learning type stuff to make your email
0:42:09better and to make you react to it
0:42:12better at what you explain what you mean
0:42:14by this right is I feel like machine
0:42:16learning is this buzzword that everybody
0:42:17likes to use now and it'd be like when
0:42:20you hear machine learning just replace
0:42:22it with magic once things that upset a
0:42:24lot of people but like I'm mostly family
0:42:26yes your email is going to be going
0:42:27through somebody else's server but
0:42:29that's pretty much how all third-party
0:42:31let's work these days for notifications
0:42:33cetera
0:42:33if you don't if you don't want that
0:42:35you're not gonna like this
0:42:37yeah it's like shocked surprised you
0:42:39email is not even as secure as you think
0:42:41it is if it's not going through one of
0:42:42these services so like if you're worried
0:42:45about security in your email you already
0:42:46focused on the wrong problem mmm one
0:42:49thing that it does is it looks at your
0:42:50inbox and tries to assume what's
0:42:52important to you who write so it takes a
0:42:55look at like people you've replied to
0:42:56before stuff like that he knows that so
0:42:58obviously it's nothing is going to keep
0:42:59that as an important email people that
0:43:02are going to contact you for the first
0:43:03time or whatever maybe it thinks they
0:43:05might not be that important to you or
0:43:06like app emails or subscriptions or
0:43:10newsletters and stuff like that and it
0:43:11kind of Gray's them out a little bit
0:43:13keeps them in the order of the inbox
0:43:14with grace them out a little bit then
0:43:16you get a number in the bottom
0:43:17right-hand corner that tells you how
0:43:18many of these emails exist and with one
0:43:20swipe you can archive all of them so
0:43:22that's really cool how you clean out
0:43:24junk really easily so when you say it's
0:43:26it's grouping it's grouping similar
0:43:29messages according to the machine
0:43:31learning or grouping similar messages
0:43:32according to sender machine learning
0:43:34though it is assuming what it thinks are
0:43:37unimportant email
0:43:38right and you can get rid of all of
0:43:40those in a swipe ok you can very easily
0:43:42just with like to tap a button to say no
0:43:45this is important and then it will learn
0:43:46that future but it's like I'm looking at
0:43:49it right now and I have nine messages my
0:43:51inbox one of them is from dropbox one of
0:43:55them is from my plumber asking for
0:43:58feedback and one of them is from a
0:43:59personal email me for the first time and
0:44:02it's indicate that these three might not
0:44:04be that important and to be honest it's
0:44:06got two out three the right so it's
0:44:09doing a good job of that but it goes way
0:44:11more than this this application this is
0:44:13just like the tip of the iceberg of what
0:44:15this thing does and this is why it's so
0:44:17good for businesses it has single radar
0:44:20radar scans your inbox and your sent
0:44:24emails and highlights unanswered
0:44:27questions
0:44:28whoo that's interesting and interesting
0:44:33it uses another part of its technology
0:44:35of assessing all of your communications
0:44:38between people
0:44:39so let's say mean you don't you don't
0:44:43even we are not even in this list but
0:44:44we've never even met each other let's
0:44:46just say me and you it will look at how
0:44:49long is the usual response time between
0:44:52me and you from the lead to you and
0:44:55we'll assess if an email was passed that
0:44:57point and put it in the writer so for
0:45:01example it may know it would make me
0:45:03very sad that you don't like your
0:45:06outgoing points
0:45:08oh my god i did--like i feel like i
0:45:10don't i don't want to even though those
0:45:11numbers i have so many people waiting on
0:45:13me for so long for so many things like
0:45:15right but here's the thing that right so
0:45:17this is it knows how the app will know
0:45:20how long it takes you to usually reply
0:45:22to somebody it will only highlight
0:45:24something when it's past even that point
0:45:28yeah to be like hey you should reply to
0:45:31this but what is really great is that
0:45:33how it works on the other end so it
0:45:35knows how long it usually takes somebody
0:45:37to reply to you and it will then
0:45:39highlight just the question part food so
0:45:43it looks or what it thinks is the
0:45:44question and it breaks them down into
0:45:46these little cards and it's like you
0:45:48asked cgpgrey and maybe a long email but
0:45:51in
0:45:51that email i asked you one question and
0:45:54i have not received a reply to that
0:45:56email which means you have not answered
0:45:57it and then it says nudge gray and just
0:46:01highlights the question
0:46:02it's freaking amazing that's interesting
0:46:06and then it says like it has a date to
0:46:08them so like this one person who hasn't
0:46:11emailed me i asked i also what do you
0:46:13think
0:46:14and they haven't replied and they're
0:46:16late by 28 days based on our previous
0:46:18communication who it says nudge this
0:46:22person so you just press the button and
0:46:24open an email for you to send again and
0:46:28i also like I have an email in my inbox
0:46:30to a person that is overdue by eight
0:46:33days based on our previous communication
0:46:35it's incredible and then also i've asked
0:46:40questions of people that it says I can
0:46:43expect this email in X amount of days
0:46:45based on our previous communications got
0:46:48that's also a thing open what beautiful
0:46:49seeing for making out there and and then
0:46:52it has a people tab in the people tab
0:46:54you can go into an individual you can
0:46:57find out what the usual response time is
0:46:59between each of them who is the best
0:47:01person responding in that relationship
0:47:02it tells you who introduced you to that
0:47:06person
0:47:07oh that's interesting because it like
0:47:10looks at the cc's and then what is that
0:47:12when the first email wasn't who it came
0:47:13from
0:47:14I have never seen a nap do the stuff
0:47:17that this does and then it pulls in
0:47:19contact data and work history of the
0:47:21individual from services like Twitter
0:47:23and LinkedIn and their websites like I
0:47:25can look at somebody and it tells me
0:47:27what their personal website is because
0:47:29it's even looked at it maybe from their
0:47:31signature field or just from pulling in
0:47:34data from other services
0:47:35it's incredible like it really does a
0:47:39good job of ensuring what's important in
0:47:41your inbox but the thing that's most
0:47:42important for me is i will i'm using
0:47:44this is my email app when and if they
0:47:46put an ipad i may do that just because
0:47:49some of this stuff is so powerful but I
0:47:51open it every now and then just to see
0:47:53like your questions are outstanding
0:47:54because how else do you know that the
0:47:56email goes and then you may never see a
0:47:59reply and you just forget and if you're
0:48:01packing in some other way but this
0:48:03application tells me all my own
0:48:05signing questions to people awesome boy
0:48:07that is very interesting that is that is
0:48:10very interesting this again highlights
0:48:12one of the best things about email that
0:48:15it is this cross-platform open way of
0:48:20communicating and then it ends up that
0:48:22you can build specific tools for sifting
0:48:25through this general-purpose thing and
0:48:29like that like that is very interesting
0:48:31to see like oh maybe you don't use this
0:48:34all the time but it's useful to check to
0:48:39make sure that you haven't overlooked
0:48:40something like that as a very as a very
0:48:43interesting idea and I'm just I'm just
0:48:45looking at some of the screenshots from
0:48:47this and I have to say I this this looks
0:48:50again like maybe one of the most
0:48:52different email apps i've ever seen and
0:48:56from and from your description as well
0:48:57as I boy that is that is worth keeping
0:49:01an eye on for when they come out with an
0:49:03ipad version they're also working on
0:49:07amazon alexa skill i'm not sure if it's
0:49:10out yet but they showed a video of it
0:49:12and you can just do all of your email
0:49:14through the alexa and you can just have
0:49:17said very quietly because because Alexa
0:49:19is listening right now my echo every now
0:49:21and then like i'll say it and then it
0:49:23will go like I didn't hear what you said
0:49:24like from downstairs or like our listen
0:49:27to me that like that video that they
0:49:29showed off was like you can it would do
0:49:32a lot of this stuff to you is like Mary
0:49:34is waiting on an email for you what
0:49:35would you like to set like it yeah
0:49:37this app is also this is part of like me
0:49:39i'm trying to change a few things about
0:49:42the way that I'm working this is
0:49:44probably gonna come up a lot like I'm
0:49:46thinking about trying out and you to do
0:49:48manager Lou I'm thinking about like
0:49:51different different email apps
0:49:53I'm thinking about like optimizing my
0:49:57life in different ways like for 2017 the
0:49:59year of less common who move like this
0:50:03is the stuff that's going to come up but
0:50:04like I found this app and I really want
0:50:06to move everything to it just because
0:50:08its so-called but I'm also just using it
0:50:10frequently to check on some stuff that
0:50:13might want to catch up on so i think
0:50:15this this one is maybe of all of the
0:50:17apps that we've spoke
0:50:19about i think that I'll more of those
0:50:21things might get some use out of this
0:50:22a.m providing that you're able to put
0:50:26your email for these services direct
0:50:28depends on on your company and the
0:50:30policies of course because it when you
0:50:32put your email into it it says like we
0:50:35need to go away and look at this and
0:50:36then it gives you a push notification
0:50:37after a period of time to say like your
0:50:40emails now ready like right this week we
0:50:42looked at all
0:50:44we now know what's going on it's pretty
0:50:45cool and our AI BOTS have have crunched
0:50:48on this for a while and yours here's
0:50:49what they're thinking
0:50:50yep this is the world of artificial
0:50:52intelligence AI like yes exactly like
0:50:56there are plenty of ways that machine
0:50:59learning AI neural nets and stuff like
0:51:01they can pull out patterns that you
0:51:02couldn't possibly do yourself
0:51:04mhm it's like light sidebar here I can't
0:51:08exactly know what the what the deal is
0:51:09with this but I always always presume
0:51:11this is apple's privacy thing always
0:51:13feel like an apple III who I would love
0:51:16for you to take a look at my health data
0:51:18you know with your lady I box or
0:51:20whatever you want to do what you feel
0:51:22like you don't even you don't even pull
0:51:24this health data off of the phone and
0:51:25let it go onto an ipad or synchronized
0:51:27anywhere it's like a super lockdown like
0:51:30that seems like an area that is super
0:51:31ripe for all kinds of correlations and
0:51:35learning and in the same way that you
0:51:37can do something with email which is
0:51:38like an enormous corpus of data about
0:51:40you I feel a similar thing about health
0:51:42stuff with the phone it's like oh come
0:51:44on like there's no device that knows
0:51:45more about me then the phone like surely
0:51:48there's there's something to be learned
0:51:49here but it feels like that's locked
0:51:51down
0:51:51it's very private kind of thing that's
0:51:53like that anyway that's that little
0:51:54sidebar my own personal annoyance i'm
0:51:56going to side by your side bar so we
0:51:59were we were together recently at the
0:52:01all-conference which is a great
0:52:03conference in island compiling go for a
0:52:05while I arrived I check in i pick up my
0:52:09name badge whose name badges above mine
0:52:11cgpgrey and then a couple days later I
0:52:16pick up a bag and turn around you're
0:52:18standing behind me so that was that was
0:52:21interesting anyway so we are at this
0:52:22this conference together and we were we
0:52:25were hanging out and I get a push
0:52:26notification on my watch to tell me that
0:52:28Stephen hack it wants to share his
0:52:29health date with me is activity date
0:52:31with me
0:52:32to which you immediately so it's like we
0:52:34should do that too so I'm now sharing
0:52:37activity day to have a couple of people
0:52:39that you can do on your Apple watch and
0:52:41when you share this stuff with people
0:52:43you feel bad about your own life
0:52:45it is a really good motivational tool
0:52:48because now I know when you're seeing
0:52:51that like today I will have not moved
0:52:53very much and you're going to know that
0:52:54and I don't like that makes me very
0:52:56uncomfortable
0:52:57I like the activity sharing in the Apple
0:52:59watch I think it's I think it's done
0:53:01really well i think it's actually done
0:53:02really well in a way that protects your
0:53:04privacy because it didn't occur to me
0:53:06before but the way they've done it is
0:53:09you can only see the aggregate data for
0:53:11the other person you can't see like Oh
0:53:13Mike was really busy running around
0:53:15between three and four pm and you can
0:53:18only just see here here is mike's
0:53:21activity for the day I do get
0:53:24notifications right now which I need to
0:53:26arrange because I just haven't yet of
0:53:28when you complete your workouts
0:53:30yeah yeah i think there's those
0:53:32notifications I think our little bit
0:53:34much so I have turned those off for
0:53:36everybody because i like I don't really
0:53:38need to see when everybody completes
0:53:40their little circles it's given me a new
0:53:42and interesting looking to your schedule
0:53:44okay waiting for you
0:53:46what do you mean suddenly now suddenly
0:53:47now I have bigger privacy concerns that
0:53:49i did the start of this conversation I'm
0:53:51going to show that I go push
0:53:52notification from you like eleven
0:53:54o'clock last night saying that you've
0:53:56done the stair stepping exercise doing
0:54:01so there you go i'm learning new things
0:54:05about you work out way more than I
0:54:09thought and it's making me feel terrible
0:54:11i'm so happy that cortex cottage has a
0:54:13gym at the bottom now good girl you see
0:54:16me now like 4am mike is completed a run
0:54:20yet up i'll be waiting for that one you
0:54:22wait for that one waiting for a long
0:54:24time
0:54:26how is you you on the multi watch
0:54:28lifestyle now like you're on that right
0:54:30how is that working for you
0:54:32multi watch lifestyle awesome it's it's
0:54:35it's fantastic it's everything that I
0:54:37dreamed it would be
0:54:38are you using two different generations
0:54:40of watch
0:54:41yes I got the order they calling series
0:54:452 is that yeah the the newer one you had
0:54:47the original and the series to right I
0:54:50got the overhead i bought the original
0:54:52watch when it came out about a series
0:54:54two to replace it
0:54:55which you thought was a ridiculous idea
0:54:57and i thought was an obvious conclusion
0:55:00to come to exert heard mumbling but we
0:55:04can't keep track of all of these things
0:55:06but I mean the short version of it is I
0:55:11thrilled with the series to watch i
0:55:15totally love it
0:55:16the battery life is fantastic like it is
0:55:20it is noticeably noticeably better than
0:55:23the original watch so much so that it
0:55:25falls into the category for me of thing
0:55:28that I simply don't have to think about
0:55:30which is amazing right because with so
0:55:32many batteries in our lives and I hate
0:55:35having to be aware vaguely of the
0:55:37batteries of all of these things like
0:55:39okay there's the watch battery right
0:55:41there's the headphone battery there's
0:55:43the phone battery there's the gimbal
0:55:45battery has filming something right this
0:55:47like a bazillion batteries in the world
0:55:49and i love that the watch i essentially
0:55:51never even have to think about it and
0:55:53then combining that with the thing that
0:55:56I'm doing which is at nighttime i switch
0:56:00to the old watch which I simply leave in
0:56:03a setup nighttime face that i have it on
0:56:06my wrist at night so that it it helps me
0:56:08sleep better that I can check the time
0:56:10when i'm sort of half awake doing those
0:56:13two things means I just like never have
0:56:16to think about the watch or the watch
0:56:18battery or how charged is at any point
0:56:21in time because it's just like it never
0:56:23gets below fifty percent either of the
0:56:26two watches so it's it's fantastic like
0:56:29I wouldn't go out and buy a second watch
0:56:32if I didn't already have one but using
0:56:34the original as
0:56:35the nighttime sleep watch is this great
0:56:38absolutely absolutely love having done
0:56:40this you also mentioned couple of weeks
0:56:42ago we spoke about this that you wished
0:56:45that you could get like a kind of fuzzy
0:56:47clock as we've mentioned before like you
0:56:49have this clock on your mac which kind
0:56:51of it doesn't say like 20 for it's like
0:56:55it's five past three or something
0:56:56whatever you say
0:56:57yeah I obviously those times that make
0:56:59any sense why just said but don't worry
0:57:01about some a bunch of people sent us in
0:57:04something called the fuzzy complication
0:57:05for the watch which just tells you it's
0:57:07about six o'clock stuff like that that
0:57:09thing exists if you tried that and no
0:57:12because i have i have no real use for
0:57:15this because the way Apple sets up there
0:57:18watch faces you always have to have the
0:57:20exact time on the watch face Yeah Yeah
0:57:23right hand replace the clock
0:57:24you can never replace the HS teenage
0:57:25have two plaques on the wall guys are
0:57:27confusing
0:57:28there's no version of this that allows
0:57:30you to just have the one clock is that
0:57:32this again is my internal frustration
0:57:34with Apple not allowing people to design
0:57:36watch faces which i used to have I used
0:57:39to have used to have great hope for like
0:57:42obviously Apple is going to open this up
0:57:45obviously this is a thing that will
0:57:47change will come someday but a couple of
0:57:51personal conversations combined with
0:57:53apples brand deals with nike animes yeah
0:57:56I feel like have have totally ripped
0:57:59this dream of mine away it's like there
0:58:01is no way that they are ever going to do
0:58:03this so yes people can design customers
0:58:05faces provided that there are huge
0:58:07fashion brand make their own branded
0:58:09watches well it exactly like when gray
0:58:11industries is a global fashion brand
0:58:14then maybe I can get them to produce a
0:58:17watch face for me right
0:58:19he just needs to go back to your
0:58:20original dream of making your own
0:58:22t-shirts but that one that was the thing
0:58:25yeah suddenly this is a more practical
0:58:27idea but now it's it is frustrating and
0:58:31i think i think this fuzzy clock
0:58:33complication is a perfect example of
0:58:34like theirs theirs base for this but
0:58:39this just this is fundamentally can't
0:58:41work or even how I would have been the
0:58:43past couple of days for various reasons
0:58:46I don't wanna get into at the moment
0:58:47what I have really wanted
0:58:49is what I think of is like a the old
0:58:52pilots or flight attendant watches where
0:58:55I like where you can have a watch that
0:58:58has to clock faces on it of equivalent
0:59:01weight so you can set one for one time
0:59:03zone and one for the other one and I
0:59:06feel like I've wanted to do this for a
0:59:09couple reasons in the past few days and
0:59:10it's just it's like it's not there's no
0:59:12great solution to this in the setup that
0:59:16the watch is currently have like their
0:59:18little complications just don't do what
0:59:19I really want
0:59:21I like the emphasis is always on the
0:59:22wrong time like I want to be able to
0:59:26have the main time be somewhere else and
0:59:28have a smaller time be the the time in
0:59:30the current time zone but it's like no
0:59:32no way to do this and this is the kind
0:59:35of thing like someone could create a
0:59:37custom watch face which would be awesome
0:59:39for people who want to kind of dual
0:59:42think about two time zones in a very
0:59:44particular way but like never going to
0:59:47happen because that market is super
0:59:48small and apples not going to make a
0:59:50face that that does like exactly what
0:59:52you wanted to do so I'm sad about that
0:59:54two watches thumbs-up lack of custom
0:59:58watch races sat faith
0:59:58watch races sat faith
1:00:00no thumbs down yeah I'm I'm sadder than
1:00:04I disapprove
1:00:05that's why a sad face I don't into the
1:00:08emoji very well microsite sorry
1:00:11now the components back out again okay
1:00:13to go back to email
1:00:15ok so you treat the other day that you
1:00:17have found a limited I didn't know
1:00:19existed
1:00:20apparently you can only have 100 VIPs
1:00:23and apple mail system
1:00:24ohmygod ohmygod i mean i have some
1:00:29issues with the fact that you even reach
1:00:31this in the first place
1:00:35okay i'm going to have to explain what's
1:00:37going on here yeah I think he did okay
1:00:39for the first thing the first thing that
1:00:41frustrates me so for the listeners i was
1:00:43doing some email on my computer it was
1:00:47using Apple's default mail app and in
1:00:51there you can press a little button next
1:00:52to a contact to immediately add them as
1:00:54a VIP mhm and I went to press this
1:00:56button and I got the message which said
1:00:59something like you are only allowed to
1:01:02have one hundred VIPs please remove some
1:01:05VIPs and try again now is made me
1:01:10furious because just to start with this
1:01:13is such this is such like an apple ii
1:01:16message like this like this there's
1:01:18something that's like the idea of Apple
1:01:20knows best for you which is always
1:01:22frustrating that is embodied in this
1:01:24idea because I look at that message and
1:01:26i think is there some kind of physical
1:01:29limits to to vips right like why why
1:01:34have you decided i'm only allowed to
1:01:35have one hundred i don't think there's
1:01:38any real reason for this this this
1:01:40number is obviously clearly selected by
1:01:42a human
1:01:43it's not even a case where like you try
1:01:45to add a VIP and you get an error which
1:01:48says like no into value limit reached
1:01:51255 VIPs max right which is like okay
1:01:54someone programmed this and just never
1:01:56conceived of the idea that someone would
1:01:58have more than 255 VIPs and it's just
1:02:01like a bug in a sense like know there
1:02:03was a meeting somewhere and Apple where
1:02:05they sat down and they said how many
1:02:07VIPs are we going to allow people to
1:02:08have
1:02:09100 no one will ever need more than 100
1:02:12VIPs great that's what we've decided
1:02:15end of discussion and that kind of stuff
1:02:16just infuriates me like a totally
1:02:18artificial no reason for it
1:02:23limit i love the way it's written a
1:02:26maximum of 100 VIPs is allowed
1:02:29please remove any unused the IPS and try
1:02:32again
1:02:33my favorite was allowed and unused right
1:02:36like allowed allowed who are you
1:02:39computer like what what are you doing
1:02:42and then just it just the presumption
1:02:43that you can't have more than a hundred
1:02:46surely there must be some that are
1:02:47unused yeah there's that there's no
1:02:49reason for this
1:02:50so okay so now people are wondering how
1:02:54did I get here
1:02:55yeah i still think that like even though
1:02:57this is this extremely thing that that
1:02:59is being coded in i still think that you
1:03:02are doing it wrong that's yeah i can
1:03:05think and feel the judgment and the
1:03:07blame and therefore act like it okay so
1:03:09okay so here's because when this happens
1:03:11i have had like this this tale of woe
1:03:17with email stretching back close to six
1:03:20months now we're essentially at the
1:03:24start of my summer travels before i went
1:03:27to WWDC before i went to VidCon but I
1:03:30was just getting on the plane to go to
1:03:31America and start doing a bunch of stuff
1:03:33family reunions all the rest of this i
1:03:37have been terrible at email starting at
1:03:41that point so much so that I essentially
1:03:44went the entire summer without really
1:03:47looking at email in any significant way
1:03:48and then came back at some point in
1:03:51September and had an overwhelming number
1:03:57of emails to reply to just thousands and
1:04:02thousands of messages this is like that
1:04:04you know after after being filtered out
1:04:06you know trying to sort out for
1:04:07important stuff just like an incredible
1:04:09amount of off the resulting yeah I don't
1:04:13know yeah now this is always like this
1:04:19is there's a situation like when you
1:04:20have problems in life
1:04:22problems always happen in these ways
1:04:25that end up compounding each other and
1:04:28so that the problem that happened which
1:04:30which was compounding is that upgraded
1:04:34to iOS 10 and under iOS 10 my favorite
1:04:39email application which is the perfect
1:04:42one to deal with this problem
1:04:43uni box is a little buggy and weird
1:04:47right
1:04:49there's some problems loading messages
1:04:51there's some problem sending replies and
1:04:54it's like this is the exact worst
1:04:56situation to try to use this under right
1:04:58like that the application is going to be
1:05:00under an unusual amount of stress with
1:05:04it with an unusually large number of
1:05:06messages i contacted the developers they
1:05:08say the working on a fix but it doesn't
1:05:09change the fact that like it hasn't been
1:05:11available to me for the last couple
1:05:12months and when an email problem gets so
1:05:17enormous it's also just very hard to
1:05:18psychologically even deal with it's like
1:05:20maybe it'll just go away right maybe if
1:05:22I just don't pay any attention to this
1:05:23it'll disappear
1:05:25turns out is not true there is an
1:05:26element of it will you know some people
1:05:29would just stop trying
1:05:30yeah but then more people will try so
1:05:33what I have been falling back on is
1:05:35trying to just use the regular built in
1:05:37mail.app it in terms of replying stuff
1:05:39because it's like I can't fully trust
1:05:42the app that I want to use right now I
1:05:44want to try to burn through this is as
1:05:46most reliably as i can like this is a
1:05:49case where reliability is going to
1:05:50matter more than speed so I'm trying to
1:05:53get through mail and I've also been
1:05:55trying to essentially make mail as close
1:06:00to uni boxes i can which is male allows
1:06:04you to have this special email inbox
1:06:06that shows you just messages from your
1:06:08VIPs and the way I want to use that is
1:06:12i'm trying to filter out messages
1:06:15essentially from people I know and
1:06:18people i don't know which again is a I
1:06:21understand it's a very particular
1:06:22problem for someone in my position like
1:06:24this is not really a general-purpose
1:06:26problem but nonetheless what I really
1:06:29want VIPs to be in mail when im using it
1:06:32is essentially my address book if
1:06:35there's anybody
1:06:36you put in my address book i want to be
1:06:38able to pull their messages out
1:06:40separately from the sea of messages and
1:06:43so that's why I've been going through
1:06:45and essentially VIP eating every single
1:06:47person I know who replies and i'm also
1:06:51in the unusual position of having a sort
1:06:57of a large group of acquaintances who I
1:07:03want to have their messages elevated
1:07:06above as well so for example like I met
1:07:08a bunch of people at VidCon and they'll
1:07:10send they send like a follow-up message
1:07:12and said okay great i want to put this
1:07:13person in the VIP system we probably
1:07:16won't email very frequently but maybe
1:07:19six months down the road they're going
1:07:21to send me a message about a thing and i
1:07:22would rather not have them in the same
1:07:24group with like random people that I
1:07:26don't know and this exact situation just
1:07:29happened with the exact person who I was
1:07:31actually trying to mark as a VIP when
1:07:33that message came up like someone sent
1:07:34me a message a while ago and I thought
1:07:36I'm not going to be in regular contact
1:07:37with this person but I still want their
1:07:39message above the fray
1:07:41I couldn't go to mark them as a VIP know
1:07:43you're not allowed and then you know a
1:07:45couple days ago they happen to send me a
1:07:46question about a thing it's like I saw
1:07:48it but it wasn't filtered the way I
1:07:50wanted it to be so this is this is how i
1:07:52have ended up in this position and it is
1:07:54extra frustrating because it is a
1:07:56totally artificial totally pointless
1:07:58limit that is built into the mail
1:08:00application for no reason
1:08:02isn't this a thing a human could do
1:08:04isn't this something your assistant
1:08:05could do like he just have a list of
1:08:08people I guess there's a lot to check
1:08:10isn't it like check every email that you
1:08:11receive against the list
1:08:13yeah this is like this is a very
1:08:14different thing what i did when i came
1:08:16back from the summer was i did a kind of
1:08:19super triage of my inbox of trying to go
1:08:22through and find all of the genuinely
1:08:25urgent stuff that there was to deal with
1:08:28and essentially took aside two days to
1:08:30be like I'm just doing email and I'm
1:08:32just going through a bunch of this stuff
1:08:33and so I cleared out a bunch of things
1:08:37from there but the backlog is just so
1:08:39incredibly huge that that the rest of it
1:08:42is very hard to deal with and then i'm
1:08:44having like random stuff come in and I'm
1:08:45just missing it because im using mail
1:08:47because i'm not seeing everybody in my
1:08:48contacts
1:08:49and then you know the whole bunch of
1:08:51other stuff and I was gripped by mania
1:08:52for the video that i want to produce
1:08:53there's just been a whole bunch of
1:08:55compounding problems that have led me in
1:08:57a situation where it's like a i am very
1:08:59sad about email
1:09:01I'm very sad about email that's where i
1:09:03am giving more VIP sample not too much
1:09:07to ask
1:09:07that's really not gonna solve your
1:09:09problem now it's totally as bad as that
1:09:11is the bottleneck here
1:09:12no eat you have hit a software limit but
1:09:17they are not your problem i think that
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1:11:22everyone's favorite time grains do some
1:11:25hashtags cortex questions
1:11:27hello it's been awhile is this the one
1:11:31okay we got a new intro for the segment
1:11:33hello hello Elaine what is your question
1:11:35Elaine asks what is great do and his
1:11:37assistant is on vacation
1:11:39is there a backup or is he on his own I
1:11:42thought it was fascinating because it
1:11:44never crossed my mind before clearly
1:11:46your assistant can't work on everything
1:11:47forever
1:11:48what do you do my assistant has some
1:11:51assistants who become my assistant when
1:11:54she's on vacation you have one assistant
1:11:56no no two assistants because one is none
1:11:59right exactly
1:12:01that's perfect that's such a great
1:12:03solution
1:12:04it doesn't surprise me that this is
1:12:06something that you needed like that you
1:12:07would have gone through this already
1:12:09like no oh yeah i will be no break it
1:12:12totally came up this summer when I was
1:12:14traveling it turned out that i didn't
1:12:16actually need to call on the additional
1:12:20assistant but I just I wanted to have
1:12:23someone available if there was some kind
1:12:26of problem that i was unable to deal
1:12:27with ya and that that and that's all
1:12:29that was like a fallback of you know the
1:12:32situation I was trying to avoid is i'm
1:12:35at some family event where I can't take
1:12:39away time for business stuff i really
1:12:41don't want to but maybe there's some
1:12:43kind of problem like i just i need there
1:12:45to be someone who i can at least have as
1:12:48an option to call on for some help maybe
1:12:51they won't be able to do anything but
1:12:52just knowing that there was someone who
1:12:54might be able to help in a situation
1:12:56where i might be pressed on time that
1:12:58was that was a thing that I definitely
1:13:00want to have set up so my assistant has
1:13:02an assistant who was my assistant when
1:13:05she was on vacation this summer
1:13:07mm okay that makes sense
1:13:09Jordan said that they were real
1:13:13listening to cortex number 10 long time
1:13:15ago
1:13:15yeah you mentioned that you would use
1:13:18omnigraffle potentially for animations
1:13:21of Apple ever released a large ipad in
1:13:23the stylist who they did that
1:13:26oh yeah did you do that no i did not do
1:13:29about no I think the main thing that
1:13:32changed is she to you by that point
1:13:34you'd basically started transition away
1:13:35from animate yourself
1:13:37yeah when we would have first discussed
1:13:41this i was in a different sort of
1:13:43transition which was transitioning from
1:13:45Mac to iOS largely which is mostly done
1:13:52at this point i think it's it's very
1:13:54unlikely i could transition more to iOS
1:13:57that i currently have and so at that
1:14:01stage I was really trying to think about
1:14:05and look for an animation solution on my
1:14:08ipad now two things I think are
1:14:12interesting it is is that even now
1:14:14however long it's been since we record
1:14:16that episode there is nothing available
1:14:19for the iPad pro that could be an
1:14:23adequate solution to what I really
1:14:25wanted like that still doesn't exist and
1:14:28every once in a while I check in on the
1:14:29like how is the animation illustration
1:14:32world doing on ipad right and it's like
1:14:34it's an interesting world that there's a
1:14:36bunch of tools that's all very narrow
1:14:38problems but there's nothing that's a
1:14:40general purpose solution and I kind of
1:14:42wonder like what's what's going on there
1:14:44what's happening in that world so what's
1:14:48the general solution on the mac is that
1:14:50inkscape that you consider there's a
1:14:53bunch of there's a bunch of different
1:14:53tools i personally was using inkscape
1:14:57but you could do the same things with
1:14:58illustrator you know you have tools like
1:15:02Final Cut Pro and after I felt like
1:15:03there's a bunch of things that you can
1:15:05use to solve this problem and I think
1:15:08right now on iOS it would still be just
1:15:13incredibly time-consuming or very very
1:15:16difficult to actually do a serious
1:15:18amount of
1:15:19animation work on that platform again
1:15:23there's a lot there's a lot of like
1:15:24particular things that you can do but
1:15:28less general-purpose solutions so so
1:15:32it's it's it's interesting sitting here
1:15:33now and having someone bring up a thing
1:15:35from the past and realizing like oh that
1:15:36that was a different problem that passed
1:15:39gray was dealing with that wouldn't have
1:15:42even been solved if he had stuck with it
1:15:44and he instead went down a different
1:15:47path which is now working with an
1:15:49animator that which is as a as a slight
1:15:52sidebar here i'm now in the process of
1:15:56trying to learn after effects for the
1:16:00computer because this is the system that
1:16:02I'm transitioning to away from xscape
1:16:05and final cut pro and instead working
1:16:08with the adobe suite of applications to
1:16:12do animations partly because they're
1:16:14better for working in a group and partly
1:16:17because I think they're just a generally
1:16:19better solution what I well I had
1:16:20cobbled together for myself over the
1:16:22past few years so you looking to move
1:16:23into after effects and premier moving to
1:16:26after effects from Final Cut Pro oh
1:16:29interesting huh
1:16:32this is partly because of your animator
1:16:33this is partly because this is the tool
1:16:35the animator is using it's also partly
1:16:37because i know people who are running
1:16:40serious animation outputs on after
1:16:43effects and I've seen and I so I've been
1:16:46able to see behind the scenes like how
1:16:47does this work and it has some really
1:16:50really good solutions for some of the
1:16:52things that I'm trying to do so i think
1:16:53it's probably the best tool for what I
1:16:56am trying to accomplish
1:16:58yeah I guess final cut is really fitting
1:16:59setting video together final cut is a
1:17:03fantastic program but its core skill is
1:17:08really stitching together pre-existing
1:17:11clips of video like let's say for
1:17:14example you wanted to start a vlog with
1:17:17a little but def final cut is exactly
1:17:20the tool that you would probably want to
1:17:22get started with because i think it's
1:17:23really easy
1:17:24it's really intuitive you can do a
1:17:27tremendous amount in it but it is also
1:17:32just
1:17:33so not designed for animation right this
1:17:36is like clearly not its skill set
1:17:39whereas after effects is much more
1:17:41designed for animation I mean that there
1:17:43are some things that that actually that
1:17:46rules for rulers videos is a really good
1:17:48example of there were a couple of
1:17:51changes that we made at the last
1:17:53possible second to the video in after
1:17:57effects that would have just never ever
1:18:00ever been possible with final cut pro
1:18:02like the morning of we actually ended up
1:18:05changing the background that was used in
1:18:07the video which might normally be like a
1:18:10relatively simple thing to do except for
1:18:13the fact that i have this this weird
1:18:15thing that people sometimes tune into
1:18:16and sometimes don't but the stick
1:18:19figures that i use almost always their
1:18:22heads are actually transparent
1:18:24I don't like to fill in the heads with
1:18:26any color but so this means that there
1:18:29has to be like an artificial background
1:18:31behind some of their heads in some of
1:18:33the scenes and that that kind of thing
1:18:36it's like man if I had done this in
1:18:37Final Cut Pro changing the background
1:18:39would be another 20 hours of work
1:18:42whereas with the tool that is designed
1:18:45much more specifically for animation
1:18:47it's not nothing but it is way easier to
1:18:51do because the application natively
1:18:54understand like this is an animation
1:18:56that this is an animated molasses-like
1:18:58here are the different properties of
1:19:00this animatable asset so I'm just
1:19:03beginning to get into after effects and
1:19:06that's that's what I'm taking a look at
1:19:07as almost certainly the future of how
1:19:10the videos are going to be produced
1:19:12hmm this is interesting because i have
1:19:16been very tempted by the microsoft
1:19:20studio
1:19:22which is Microsoft's new kind of desktop
1:19:25that they've made it's like a 28 inch
1:19:28screen on a pivot which you can bring
1:19:30down in front of you and it has native
1:19:32stylus support that's the one that the
1:19:35one that folds down it has little thing
1:19:37on the screen
1:19:38I've just seen that one video clip
1:19:39everywhere yeah it looks like an imac
1:19:41and you can grab the screen and bring it
1:19:42down in front of you and it's like a
1:19:43drafting table
1:19:44yeah that not only does it look like an
1:19:46imac it looks exactly like something
1:19:48Apple should have produced but didn't
1:19:50but now I said that like that computer
1:19:54is like the perfect form factor for the
1:19:58way that I work on my mac with final cut
1:20:00and with logic of using the pen stylus
1:20:04interactive it and i believe if i was a
1:20:08user of Adobe's product i would be very
1:20:11tempted to use that machine instead of
1:20:15my imac because it lets my movement more
1:20:18in the way that I had it with gestures
1:20:20on the trackpad and Pentonville fine
1:20:22motion you are moving to something like
1:20:25adobe suite of products
1:20:28who would you be more tempted to try
1:20:30something like this because we we both
1:20:33headed in the same way and this would be
1:20:35like direct on-screen manipulation of
1:20:38the work as opposed to augmenting it to
1:20:41a stylist and pad next year I mean it as
1:20:46crazy as it sounds in some ways like yes
1:20:48it is totally a tempting interesting
1:20:51thing especially because of the way mean
1:20:53use our max like function machines for
1:20:56us the mac is like this is this is a
1:20:59toaster right is a machine that does a
1:21:00particular thing and I don't really care
1:21:03about it outside of that particular
1:21:04thing and in addition this gets over one
1:21:09of the main problems i'm always talking
1:21:11about which is transition costs
1:21:13I was like well the transition costs of
1:21:16learning a new way of animating is
1:21:21something that I have to go through
1:21:22anyway like I have to pay that price now
1:21:24but if I'm switching to a tool that is
1:21:29actually cross-platform well then it
1:21:32matters way less like what is the
1:21:35operating system running
1:21:36underneath it i get in at that
1:21:38perspective it's like well this
1:21:40Microsoft computer from my production
1:21:43perspective is essentially just and
1:21:45adobe machine right it's the machine
1:21:48that runs adobe stuff and it's it's
1:21:50funny you mention that because if it's
1:21:52been vaguely crossing my mind of like
1:21:54well i'm using logic to edit all my
1:21:57podcasts but I think adobe has some kind
1:22:00of audio editing tool into its cool
1:22:02audition yeah like maybe I should look
1:22:05into that like I've heard it's much
1:22:06better for doing podcasts and me and you
1:22:08know what the only the only roadblock in
1:22:10that is that's you Mike if the other
1:22:13person I work with who we need to share
1:22:15compatible file formats but it's it's
1:22:18like it's just a thing like you can see
1:22:20how if I'm transitioning to a layer
1:22:24above the operating system for my
1:22:28production stuff then it totally makes a
1:22:31transition to Windows way more likely
1:22:34for a production machine right like I
1:22:37will always personally be using iOS
1:22:40devices and so be personally much more
1:22:43connected into the Apple operating
1:22:45system but I i can very easily imagine
1:22:49having an office in the future where I
1:22:53have a machine that is an Adobe machine
1:22:54and then something interesting like this
1:22:56Microsoft drafting table makes that a
1:22:58much more tempting option than otherwise
1:23:01maybe Mike learns adobe audition I usual
1:23:05edition for a few things processing wise
1:23:08like pre-processing of audio and some of
1:23:11the stuff that does is brilliant blue
1:23:13I don't understand how to edit using it
1:23:15I got it looked at it and I just can't
1:23:19get it it's like it it doesn't just
1:23:20transfer easily to my brain
1:23:22maybe one day maybe I'll learn i'll give
1:23:25you a crash course the only way I'm ever
1:23:29moving this show to after effects is if
1:23:31you do provide a training course for me
1:23:34just so you know same as when i took the
1:23:36videos over you made that great little
1:23:39screen Causton and everything was great
1:23:41news will find who knows that we're
1:23:43running the show on windows in here
1:23:44can you imagine
1:23:46the reddit would be happy at least know
1:23:49but you know but you don't understand
1:23:50you don't look it
1:23:51listen use the key thing you're never
1:23:53going to make the people on the internet
1:23:55happy
1:23:56oh yeah because we had make the people
1:23:57happy that say we should switch to the
1:23:58surface but then we just upset all the
1:24:00people that use macross exactly right
1:24:02that's all that happens like all you're
1:24:04ever doing is trading one group of angry
1:24:06people for another group of angry people
1:24:08so if you use apple stuff you're gonna
1:24:10hear from all the windows people if you
1:24:11use Windows you're going to hear from
1:24:12all the Apple people right so it's it's
1:24:14it's not about them Mike about you and
1:24:16what do you want to do
1:24:17alright alright there's a bunch of
1:24:19questions that come from that came from
1:24:2112-5 37 on reddit great read it name
1:24:26that matter questions about this show
1:24:29when i get these every now and then like
1:24:32one or two of them but this individual
1:24:34just gave a bunch so I think it might
1:24:36answer a lot of questions and all make
1:24:38more questions who knows but it might at
1:24:40least 25 people who are interested in
1:24:42this stuff like about cortex so they
1:24:45start with what is the usual time spent
1:24:47recording an episode
1:24:49this is the most interesting part to me
1:24:51because we probably record for on
1:24:56average about four hours we were on the
1:25:00phone together
1:25:01would you agree that feel about right
1:25:03there feels about right sometimes it's
1:25:05less but sometimes it's not six
1:25:07yeah i'm not exaggerating
1:25:10that is not an exaggeration not an
1:25:12exaggeration at all but do you want to
1:25:15explain to the people why it is that
1:25:17it's four or six hours when they're
1:25:20listening to a show that maybe an hour
1:25:23and 22 yahoo hours long
1:25:25I feel like we should because otherwise
1:25:27people going to ask for all of it there
1:25:31is a probably on average about 45 to 60
1:25:34minutes before the show begins where
1:25:37we're booting up
1:25:39yeah right where we are just like
1:25:41preparing for the show like this is the
1:25:44stuff we're going to talk about a lot of
1:25:46the time we'll look at the document
1:25:47together that that we prepared a more
1:25:49trim or rearrange then there's just like
1:25:52a little bit is gas in we're just
1:25:53getting ready then about 15 minutes of
1:25:56saying I'm ready now are you ready now
1:25:58yes I'm ready
1:25:59are you ready now we do that a bunch
1:26:01then you'll go get another coffee sure
1:26:03usually done by that point they're
1:26:07usually breaks in the middle that we
1:26:09take one day we took like a two hour
1:26:11break in the middle brother with and
1:26:15then usually after the show's done this
1:26:17is a bit decompressing time it it's not
1:26:20interesting in any way but it exists
1:26:25yeah I find interesting like i don't i
1:26:28don't have this with anything else but
1:26:29there is a kind of we were actually
1:26:31discussing it today to start sort of
1:26:33unrelated to this but for this show
1:26:36I don't know what it is but and we both
1:26:39agree that this is the case that we kind
1:26:42of feel like we need to talk to each
1:26:44other about nothing in particular for a
1:26:46while
1:26:47yeah before either of us is kind of set
1:26:50to go
1:26:51mhm and and that's it that's a strange
1:26:53thing like it doesn't happen to me with
1:26:55other things you know you said you don't
1:26:57have the same thing with other shows
1:26:59i I don't I don't know what it is but
1:27:02for some reason I know that I i could
1:27:05not possibly just walk into an episode
1:27:07cold that they're there is this phase of
1:27:11warming up that is absolutely required
1:27:13and sometimes is hilariously long and
1:27:18when you're saying about the there comes
1:27:20a moment were both saying like are you
1:27:21ready are you ready I am always aware of
1:27:24how often we then have another little
1:27:26diversion after that point it's like all
1:27:28the recording equipment setup like okay
1:27:30we're great in theory we should start
1:27:33the show at that moment but one or the
1:27:35other of us just brings up something
1:27:37that we end up talking about for a while
1:27:38it is really strange and it is why
1:27:41honestly i set my entire day like
1:27:45nothing else will go in the diary on
1:27:46thursdays because it it this to it just
1:27:50takes that amount of time and I'm really
1:27:52proud of the show and I believe that it
1:27:55takes six hours for us to get 90 minutes
1:27:57and if that's what it takes and then
1:27:59i'll keep giving it that
1:28:00yeah and that's why this can be on the
1:28:01easy way for you is like this is the
1:28:03only thing that you have to do you know
1:28:05you know it's the single got that right
1:28:06your task quiet week super quiet week
1:28:10super quiet week
1:28:12how long is the gap usually between
1:28:14recording and posting so typically we
1:28:17record on Thursday and release them on
1:28:20monday
1:28:21typically if we don't release on monday
1:28:25it's probably been 24 hours since
1:28:28recorded attention to me the way that it
1:28:31goes right like we're recording this
1:28:33it's thursday and our will probably be
1:28:36out friday because if it's if we haven't
1:28:40because we're late we're super light
1:28:41like we really like this week like a
1:28:43weekly at this point I'm but yeah that
1:28:45tends to be how it goes right we'd be
1:28:47kind of get it out over a weekend mostly
1:28:50yeah i feel like these these are the two
1:28:52modes there's Mike is happy with the
1:28:55schedule mode which is we record on
1:28:57Thursday and it goes up on monday and
1:28:59then there's oh no we need a cortex and
1:29:03there was some reason why the regular
1:29:05schedule didn't work and then because in
1:29:08particular like your schedule is very
1:29:10booked it hard for you to necessarily
1:29:13find time to record like a random other
1:29:16show that's going to suck up your entire
1:29:17day that yes otherwise we have shows
1:29:21they're like recorded one day and then
1:29:23put up the next day and admit this show
1:29:25is going to be that case and the the
1:29:28previous one recorder was the same as
1:29:29well I think rightly recorded it and
1:29:31then it was up the following day I don't
1:29:33even know anymore
1:29:34yeah I'm pretty sure the the last one
1:29:36was a was up at less than 24 hours after
1:29:39record it so so if those are the two
1:29:42focus with the two ways that this is
1:29:44done but I much prefer the other way
1:29:46because what's going to happen today is
1:29:48we will finish recording i will take a
1:29:52break for an hour and then I will listen
1:29:54back to what we just recorded that's
1:29:57tough man that's tough to relive the
1:30:00conversation you just had but yeah I
1:30:03have specific for anyone who who doesn't
1:30:06do this kind of work like I i have had
1:30:09to do that with podcasts a number of
1:30:10times where it's like you just spent
1:30:12three hours recording and now you have
1:30:14to edit you talking for the previous
1:30:17three hours
1:30:18is it is not fun I get it is not fun at
1:30:22all
1:30:22i partly partly because you don't
1:30:24necessarily have a lot of distance from
1:30:25the conversation that you have just had
1:30:27and so it i think it is much harder to
1:30:30work to edit immediately after it is and
1:30:33I find when I do that I am vastly more
1:30:36aware of all the kind of of ways that
1:30:39conversations go when you're not good at
1:30:41explaining yourself like you think you
1:30:42said a thing in a correct way and you
1:30:45realize like oh I actually did a
1:30:46terrible job explaining what i was
1:30:48trying to say I I find if I editor show
1:30:50immediately after recording all of that
1:30:53stuff is way worse like I'm just much
1:30:54more aware of it and it is harder
1:30:56because you don't have a little bit of
1:30:58distance from the show itself if anyone
1:31:01ever record the podcast out there the
1:31:02edited later i really recommend giving
1:31:04it at least one day like 11 sleep cycle
1:31:08before you go into the editing process I
1:31:11think that really helps just to give
1:31:13yourself a little bit of distance from
1:31:15the thing that you've just made so I'll
1:31:17addendum here which is it depends on the
1:31:19show so all of pretty much all of my
1:31:22other shows they're posted on the same
1:31:25day that they're recorded but I added
1:31:27them differently so that's it that's a
1:31:29very different editing priority for work
1:31:31for that was supposed to say with one of
1:31:33my shows like connected or upgrade their
1:31:36like news focus shows the way that i
1:31:38added those shows as whilst i'm
1:31:39recording i take notes of the parts that
1:31:41need to be fixed you know maybe we
1:31:43talked over each other or right with
1:31:45somebody kind of stumbled a little bit
1:31:47and then I'll go in and I'll just fix
1:31:49those specific parts so i can add it a
1:31:5290-minute show in 15-20 minutes because
1:31:56we're doing is just cleaning out
1:31:57specific parts of the way that we added
1:31:59this show which is the next question is
1:32:01how long does the editing process take
1:32:03and with this show and I do this with
1:32:05maybe one or two other shows
1:32:07I and we listened to the whole show and
1:32:11edit all of the audio so this can be
1:32:14like restructuring things cutting parts
1:32:16out snipping outwards cutting out on
1:32:18some arse and stuff like that there is a
1:32:21very different style of editing and it
1:32:24is nice to have a break between those
1:32:26and for me one of the benefits i have
1:32:29from the break is let's say I take like
1:32:31a day or two before
1:32:32back to it it just percolates my brain a
1:32:34little bit and i'll just be like i'll be
1:32:37doing something and a part of the
1:32:39conversation will pop into my brain and
1:32:40I'll be like yeah I'm going to cut that
1:32:41bit blue it's red and then when i come
1:32:43back to it
1:32:44I've already had the thoughts and it's
1:32:45easier for me to do it but when i'm just
1:32:47going straight back in again I have to
1:32:49make a lot of those decisions as they're
1:32:50happening which is a bit trickier for me
1:32:52yeah that is the number one benefit that
1:32:55you get from time away from a project is
1:32:58it's easier to recognize what parts
1:33:00don't belong which actually to tie this
1:33:03back to the very thing that was talking
1:33:05about in the beginning is part of the
1:33:07reason why like that one of the videos
1:33:09are released the three electoral college
1:33:11video games not as good and I can see
1:33:13it's not as good because I never had any
1:33:15time away from that to realize like oh I
1:33:18can restructure this and move this
1:33:19around her like this thing in the
1:33:20beginning is obviously like nobody cares
1:33:22why you even talking about it right when
1:33:24you're just doing a thing immediately
1:33:26its way harder to see that and so yeah
1:33:29I'm I'll back it up entirely like more
1:33:31distance between the editing and
1:33:33creation phase results in better
1:33:36products by far then I do think it's
1:33:39funny that you don't take notes for this
1:33:42show about what needs fixing because you
1:33:45know ways like all of it needs fixed
1:33:47right you know you're recording it in a
1:33:50very different way that there's a
1:33:52there's a reason all of my shows are
1:33:53done in this kind of very heavy editing
1:33:55intense fashion because I'm not
1:33:58necessarily the best extemporaneous
1:34:00speaker in the world and so like this
1:34:03this helps make the show easier for the
1:34:06listener to digest right rather than
1:34:09easier for the producer to produce that
1:34:13is a self-fulfilling in a way that the
1:34:15extemporaneous part because you lean
1:34:19into the fact that you know the edits
1:34:21happening this is a subconscious thing
1:34:23because for example i am way worse
1:34:26extemporaneously talking on this show
1:34:28than any of my other shows because i
1:34:30know there's something in the back of my
1:34:32brain that tells me it could just be
1:34:33fixed later i need to cut myself on this
1:34:36show in ways that doesn't happen on my
1:34:39other shows little it's very strange but
1:34:42it's like yeah this is what it is and I
1:34:43prefer the show cut that
1:34:45I but it is a strange thing that my
1:34:47brain does it's like maybe two or three
1:34:50shows that i do where somebody will
1:34:52listen before it's done and and I am way
1:34:55was at expressing myself and no shows in
1:34:57a coherent manner
1:34:59yeah i mean this is this is this is a
1:35:00whole other topic for a whole other time
1:35:02but there's there is a huge difference
1:35:04between producing something live when
1:35:09you know an audience is listening and
1:35:10producing something when you know that
1:35:12it is not live and it is going to be
1:35:13heavily edited later and I think that my
1:35:17skill sets do not line up very well with
1:35:20the live production and line up much
1:35:22better with the heavy post-production
1:35:24and that that's part of the way i do
1:35:26that this way there is only one time
1:35:28that mean you have recorded life right
1:35:31that's right when we did the when you're
1:35:33part of the real icon connected event
1:35:35that we did with in san francisco and it
1:35:37wasn't cortex
1:35:39yeah it was something completely
1:35:40different yeah go to the link in the
1:35:43show notes for anyone who hasn't heard
1:35:45that to hear a totally different version
1:35:50of me in public
1:35:52it was effectively cortex life it was
1:35:54like a totally different thing it was a
1:35:56performance it was very strange it was
1:35:58that good but totally different to the
1:36:01show yeah and then and had a mic totally
1:36:05on edge the whole time I was railroaded
1:36:07yeah it wasn't able to me and not
1:36:10necessarily think I want to reproduce
1:36:11all the time
1:36:12no i got like my heart can't take that
1:36:14I've been only what you're going to do
1:36:16is terrifying but the question from
1:36:19contours how long is the editing process
1:36:20take now for me and it takes effectively
1:36:23two minutes to every minute that you
1:36:25here right
1:36:27so if it is an hour long it took me
1:36:29about two hours to do and that's kind of
1:36:32like a good average so it takes me about
1:36:34twice the amount of time to get the Edit
1:36:36done
1:36:36whoo yeah then when you're done with the
1:36:39Edit it's passed to me through dropbox
1:36:41for editing in logic and I do another
1:36:46listen through and because you have done
1:36:49the heavy lifting in the edit it
1:36:51probably takes me about a minute in 10
1:36:54seconds on average for every minute of
1:36:56actual content so I'm i mostly listening
1:36:58through to the show and making a few
1:37:01minor changes or cutting out a few
1:37:03things but it's it's not remotely the
1:37:05amount of work that you're doing and
1:37:07that's that's why it can take me much
1:37:09less time to do the other than it takes
1:37:11you to do besides youtube uploading what
1:37:15is the least liked part of creating and
1:37:17posting an episode with your answer to
1:37:20this mic for me is the actual posting of
1:37:22the audio nothing's ever gone wrong but
1:37:27eventually it will and the fact that
1:37:31we've posted this will be the 40th time
1:37:34and there's never been a disaster means
1:37:37it's only getting closer until the point
1:37:38where like the audio is out of sync or
1:37:41something like that and it doesn't
1:37:43matter i notice matter how many times I
1:37:45check it which i do many many times
1:37:47eventually I'm going to get it wrong
1:37:48that's yours part it is like the
1:37:50immediate 30 minutes after posting to
1:37:52just wait if I did it wrong
1:37:54yeah it is so easy to mess up at the
1:37:58last second when you doing in exports
1:37:59for do like what especially with our
1:38:01like insane house of cards that we set
1:38:04because recently we've come across this
1:38:06bug that when gray sends me back the
1:38:08audio there's like this horrific noise
1:38:10gate compression put on it I have to fix
1:38:12and we cannot look out why this is
1:38:14happening but it is and it's like this
1:38:17is all these little things that we are
1:38:19using logic in a way that it shouldn't
1:38:21be used with like two people working on
1:38:23the same file like yeah it is obviously
1:38:26not designed for this and we have
1:38:28obviously run into bugs where it's like
1:38:31there's something about the fact that
1:38:33we're sharing this file that is messing
1:38:34it up and so-and-so listeners if one day
1:38:38my voice sounds like terrible quality in
1:38:42the podcast you know what happened right
1:38:44is like this this thing that we have to
1:38:45manually fix each time that we can't
1:38:47figure out why it occurs like we missed
1:38:49it this time like that's it's just going
1:38:51to happen it's going to happen one of
1:38:52these days now like these little things
1:38:55that we have to do where we have to
1:38:56confirm to each other the size of the
1:38:58file present backwards and forwards
1:39:00because it's just yeah we're we're
1:39:02really kind of stretching it to its to
1:39:04its limit
1:39:05yeah it shouldn't be used this way we
1:39:07should probably be switching to
1:39:08something like the adobe suite maybe
1:39:11basic collaborative audio editing i
1:39:13doubt it they do they have a whole
1:39:15section 14 projects for the various yeah
1:39:17really well we could talk about it later
1:39:20oh ok then well my is just picked up i
1:39:24was just investigating this morning but
1:39:25they have a whole section for
1:39:27cloud-based collaboration project
1:39:29between teams
1:39:30ok we can add it at the same time
1:39:34oh can you imagine well I've been a
1:39:37nightmare
1:39:38let's not do that what's your least like
1:39:40pop my least favorite part is that you
1:39:42are a slave driver with the schedule III
1:39:44I I don't like schedules that's not
1:39:49clear to my audience by now I don't know
1:39:51what could possibly make it more clear
1:39:52but good god do I not like schedules I
1:39:56think schedules are antique creative I
1:39:58just personally don't like them and Mike
1:40:01over here is a task driver he's always
1:40:04got the whip out he's like it's time to
1:40:05record another cortex always like we
1:40:07just recorded a cortex and he's like no
1:40:09it's actually been two weeks but there's
1:40:11something about the like the regular
1:40:13newness of it that it really does slowly
1:40:16drive me crazy you need me alive inside
1:40:18okay i think the show's battle for it
1:40:21how silent shows more frequent for it
1:40:25that's for sure
1:40:26what are some backstage horror stories
1:40:29about the creation of anything cortex
1:40:32related i think you have to answer this
1:40:34because from my perspective everything
1:40:35is smooth but that's because i do a
1:40:38vastly smaller portion of the work
1:40:40alright well i have one ok there was an
1:40:43episode recorded last summer I think it
1:40:47was the one before we were complaining
1:40:50about how hard it was it was there was
1:40:53one episode where mean you spent an
1:40:54amount of time complaining about the
1:40:55heat now you because I wouldn't let you
1:40:58have your air conditioning on because
1:41:00yeah the episode the week before i think
1:41:02it was in our first 10 maybe or like
1:41:04that one previous you left your air
1:41:07conditioning on blue and it could be
1:41:10clearly heard in the audio and I tried
1:41:13to minimize that and I was trying to fix
1:41:16that edit from the early afternoon until
1:41:19about 2am trying to get the audio to be
1:41:23cleaner that will you give
1:41:24me and I have a very clear memory
1:41:28sitting downstairs in my current house
1:41:31on the sofa because i couldn't be in the
1:41:36bedroom anymore because edina was
1:41:38sleeping and I was sweating out of heat
1:41:42and frustration at 2am trying to make
1:41:47your audio possible that is the biggest
1:41:50horror story and that is why I will not
1:41:52like gray have the air-conditioning on
1:41:54anymore i can add that to my list at
1:41:56least favorite things about creating the
1:41:58show is that Mike won't let me run my
1:42:00air-conditioning while recording this is
1:42:02for you listener because that episode I
1:42:04hate the way that one sounds because you
1:42:07can hear the air conditioning and it
1:42:08cuts in and out every now and then it's
1:42:10oh it's terrible
1:42:12yeah but I was thirty percent more
1:42:14comfortable what happened
1:42:17haha good really good really hear the
1:42:21emotion in your voice there Mike it's
1:42:23just not if you like ninety percent more
1:42:25than maybe I could swing it
1:42:27thirty percent is not enough man ok
1:42:30on average how much of the wrong
1:42:32recording is posted as he says if you
1:42:35see 90-minute see that was like three
1:42:37and a half hours of stuff that's
1:42:38unusable
1:42:39yeah however i think we have a pretty
1:42:42good ratio of when we actually seriously
1:42:45start recording the show and when we
1:42:47seriously stop recording the show I
1:42:50think I mean that ratio has to be like
1:42:52ninety percent of what we record really
1:42:55for the show makes it in these days it's
1:42:57probably about max 10 minutes get cut
1:43:00whoo yeah we have a very focused show it
1:43:05when we begin but it and i think it
1:43:09the focus is hated by the fact that we
1:43:11have guests for a while
1:43:13yeah exactly because I believe in the
1:43:16show being focused because of the
1:43:18underlining thing that we're talking
1:43:21about which is productivity right into
1:43:24the way that we work in the way that
1:43:26people work i think having a focus show
1:43:29with a nice outline that feels right to
1:43:32me a little
1:43:35how do you feel I mean I i love the fact
1:43:38that you have a bunch of topics that you
1:43:42outline because again as as the theme
1:43:46with the entirety of the
1:43:47behind-the-scenes production of the show
1:43:49it means that i can do less which is one
1:43:51of the reasons why the show can exist in
1:43:53the first place
1:43:54this is the thing right like i will i
1:43:56will write the outline i will prepare i
1:43:59wore you know take the first edit post
1:44:02the show make the youtube video all you
1:44:04need to do is show up every second
1:44:05Thursday it's not hot in case you get
1:44:12dull listeners mike is driving at a
1:44:14thing that we've been talking about
1:44:15making is making a little points on the
1:44:21show only once every second Thursday you
1:44:24know you to show up every second
1:44:26Thursday and it's all taken care of some
1:44:28nice so frequent a peacoat xmas
1:44:32everybody okay