Cortex

00:00:00 ◼   ► the last time on the show we debuted are [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► two spin-off shows cortex and I just [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► wondered if you had happened upon the [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► artwork that has been created for those [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► two shows [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► we're nearly there now for lunch is that [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► all that's required for a new podcast is [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► just simply some fantastic artwork is [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► that the is that the first step towards [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► making a new podcast once the artwork is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► made and if the artwork is good at that [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► point you have to do the show because [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► you got the artwork that's the way I [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► look at it anyway that is not the way i [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► look at it but I like this [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► cortech caretech artwork but just to be [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► clear in my terms of service this does [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► not obligate me to actually doing new [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► shows is just step one now is it step 0 [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► Mike have you seen this mechanical ipad [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► pro keyboard that's been going around [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► the internet last few days [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► why indeed i have Mike indeed I have [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► it's made by razr and razr they make [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► like gaming pcs right like that and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► peripherals I think more of like a [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► gaming company [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► yeah they make very cool-looking gaming [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► peripheries yeah they're they're very [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► awesome looking stuff like we have lots [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► of lights and so customizable and and [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► lots of crazy stuff you can do with it [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► yep lots of green and blue neon you know [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► you can't have a really solid piece of [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► gaming equipment unless it is neon green [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► or blue today I'm looking at their [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► website right now at the razer [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► blackwidow chroma against an amazing [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► name with that I have never seen [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► something so insane just go to this URL [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► and just check out the gif that they've [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► got running at the top [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► ok let me look at this thing rules [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► nobody needs that computer to do this [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► you are actually maybe everybody does i [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► think everybody does 444 listener [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► it's a it's a keyboard the reason [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► they're calling it the chrome eyes it [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► looks like it it will dance rainbow [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► colors across and around all of the keys [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► that they must have a whole bunch of [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► leds behind all of the keys so that the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► dancing rainbow across your keyboard [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► looks awesome [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah I kind of want this is this is how [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► they get you [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► exactly i have i have been on their site [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► i have known about them because every [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► once in a while remember some piece of [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► gaming equipment or gear and i'll look [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► at their website don't think [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► whoo-hoo it all looks so cool i've never [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► actually bought look I just don't have [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► any real need for this stuff but it's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► always very tempting [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► well i have often considered a gaming [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► mouse who and a friend of the show [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► underscore David Smith suggested this to [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► me when I was having RSI problems you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► know because the programmable buttons a [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► way out easier to to trigger and they're [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► made for that so I've considered it like [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► you know one of those ones that had [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► looks like basically buttons have been [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► vomited onto the mouse and I've [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► considered it but I haven't done yet [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► just because I love my my wacom and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► tripod set up so much but if I ever [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► decide to go back to mice again I'm [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► gonna look into gaming mice [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► that's what I also i also like their [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► names they have the deathadder chroma [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► haha another name for a mouse [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► there's the Diamondback there's the [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► abyss and these are fantastic names as [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► well yeah thatthat's the deathadder [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► chroma is an ergonomic mouse to how can [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► you know how can you not but it's also [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► got rainbow leds in it are ma'am don't [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► get the drive everyone crazy you get you [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► just get it take you to a co-working [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► space you get the chroma key board and [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► the current mouse and you just having a [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► little raven the corner the or Boris [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► wireless gaming mouse that looks pretty [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► look at this thing i have to tell you [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► how you know you're in a gaming website [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► when all of the photos of the mice have [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► cords on them [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yes yeah that's that's how you know [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► you're looking at gaming peripherals [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► right oh I don't like this one it's got [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► snake ever look at it so it's like a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► badass transformer amount it looks like [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► Batman's mouse [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► yeah it looks like it looks like the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► Batmobile in terms of a mouse [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► yeah i kinda want this one now right it [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► was taking lots of sharp edges to cut [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► your hands but it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► you're gaming pro but uh but this one [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► doesn't have rainbow leds on it so yeah [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► but it comes with the snake apparently [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► if the picture is to be believed [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► I don't commit really wanted anyway see [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► what this is this is we're getting [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► distracted by all of follow the crew [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► looking gamer gear you can't help but be [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► distracted so razor have made a keyboard [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► case for the ipad pro 12.9 inch where [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the keyboard side of the case features a [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► mechanical switch keyboard that they [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► have created it is a mechanical key [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► design of their own design as ultra low [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► profile right it's not the big huge [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► clicking keyboard like you have to [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► demonstrate clicky keyboard for the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► listener great okay this is me typing on [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► keyboard i don't know if you can hear [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that we can hear like that has a deep [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► switch on it right like this that i [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► don't like some homeless to it and I [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► expect that this isn't that i'll put a [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► link in the show notes to a video that [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► Austin evidence did on youtube kind of [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► testing it out and you can kind of hear [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► it and it basically sounds like a laptop [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► keyboard right yeah and it looks like [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► it's got a bit more travel on its [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► thicker but the thing that interests me [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► the most about this is it comes with [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like them stand there like two parts the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► keyboard part which can be detached from [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► the stand / case part and the case the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► sound on the case can be put into [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► multiple different viewing angles [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► that's what interests me who because [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► this mark keyboards they have terrible [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► viewing angles [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► yeah it's this is one of those products [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► that I'm interested in but i would [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► totally just have to handle it in person [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► and picture [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► yeah because it's just him that there's [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► no amount of the most amazing video [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► review of this thing doesn't convey the [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► information that you need to know yet [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► with a keyboard so much of it is the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► feel of it and how much do you actually [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► like typing on the thing how much better [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► are those mechanical switches i got it i [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► might who knows I might actually not [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► like typing on a mechanical keyboard [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► that has very low travel maybe my brain [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► is super used to the idea of clicking [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► switches have huge amounts of travel [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► like you know my keyboard it has a lot [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► of depth when i press each of those [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► buttons is also questions of weight i [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► just have to say I think it's a really [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► interesting product i think it is really [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► interesting that a company is even [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► estimating that there is a market for [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► this that they put the money into [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► product development [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► exactly that that's what i find is very [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► interesting about this and what I really [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► like about this is I feel like it's a [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► little indication of companies willing [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► to do crazy extra stuff for the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► pro-market using the big ipad pro yeah [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the guy I'm glad this thing exists i [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► would love to try it out in person to [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► see what it is like but I'm even gladder [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► that someone is willing to roll the dice [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► on this thinking there might actually be [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► a market of people who want to buy [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► mechanical keyboard for their ipad bro [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► yep I don't think I want this I think [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that the smart keyboard is fine for me [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► but i do want to try it [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► look I don't like that it will be so [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► thick and so heavy like it will be like [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► carrying a laptop instead of an ipad but [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I i'm interested in giving it a go but [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► it isn't easy [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► he doesn't seem easier to get my hands [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► on all these to try like if it was on [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► amazon but it's not right now at least [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► in the UK and I would just got excellent [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► beer in a day and I could return it but [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► other than that like I'm gonna keep my [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► eye on the electronic stores when I'm [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► out and about to see if they got one in [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► there you know so i can actually track [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► typing on it i could tell you what [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► probably won't have it which is the [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► apple store be very surprised at the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► apple store carries this which it should [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► because this is a pro accessory for [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► their product but I think Apple probably [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► doesn't like that they're not using the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► smart connected they could be using [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► bluetooth [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► yeah but the bluetooth is a bit of a [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► feature that because it allows you to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► have this screen disconnected from the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► keyboard and for years and years when I [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► was writing on my iPad before smart [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► keyboard covers and ipad pros existed i [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► was using a bluetooth keyboard with an [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► ipad and that was a really great feature [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► being able to separate the screen from [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the keyboard to not have to have my [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► hands right up against the edge of it [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► and met that's what they actually do get [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► kind of annoyed with some apps on the [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► iPad pro of how you are typing at the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► very bottom of the screen and that [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you're your own hands can get in the way [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► of looking at the words that you're [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► trying to type so sometimes it's nice to [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► have a bit of space between the screen [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and the keyboard so using bluetooth like [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► I could actually see them sitting in a [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► in a meeting room somewhere and deciding [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► entirely not for licensing reasons or [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► but they want to go bluetooth for that [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► feature that they don't want to use the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► Smart connector I think part of the [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► reason mind on the Bluetooth because [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► they wanted the keys to be backlit and [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► if you need the keys to be back late has [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► to have a battery and anyway so might as [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► well go to put you through [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► right exactly are you you have to go [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► down you have to go down this path I i [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► suspect that the weight in this one [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► would be a killer for me [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► yeah because i think i think the ipad [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► pro is already right on the edge of what [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► I'm willing to carry around [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► I agree so that like this past summer [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► when i was doing all of my travels I was [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► using primarily the ipad pro and when I [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► am traveling i don't normally do it but [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► when I'm traveling I put the the back [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► case on the ipad pro that whatever it is [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► like the silicon-silicon back case think [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► the super expensive [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeahs the ridiculous one but [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► that does fit very nicely with the smart [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► keyboard cover and I do that mainly [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► because i'm thinking i'm going to be [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► moving this thing around a lot i'm [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► traveling and this is this is a really [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► like I vastly increase the probability [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► of dropping this and so I want to have a [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► bit more protection but I was really [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► aware that the ipad pro with the back [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► case and the keyboard cover [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I don't want to carry a thing that's [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► grams heavier than that that is [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► absolutely right at the edge of what i [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► want to be carrying around anyway yeah [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► whenever I take the keyboard cover our [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► family surprised how light is MH which [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► is frustrating but it's just because [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► it's so much material which actually [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► brings me on to another question that i [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► have that you probably know what I'm [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► going to ask you here to picture the [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► other day of your speed your baby pro [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► sitting in the keyboard cover of the big [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► Pro yep [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► wait wait then i'm typing comfortably [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► that's what I'm doing to you if you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► tried of like for a long period of time [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the smaller 9.7 keyboard cover yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► I identified I definitely did I tried [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the smaller keyboard cover [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► it's fine it's totally fine but i would [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► prefer to use the bigger one right but [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► why don't you just use a bluetooth [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► keyboard like if in this scenario why [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► you using the case i'm using the case [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► because that that particular ipad the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► little the little baby pro I'm often [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► just using it on the couch [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► and it's really comfortable sitting on [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► the couch while watching TV to use the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► full-size keyboard cover to have the [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► thing in my lap to type on like it's [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► just it's very convenient to single [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► little piece plus with the keyboard case [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► i don't have to worry about charging it [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► its i just find it's a very comfortable [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► experience and and i want to reiterate [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► again that whoever is on the design team [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► for the the keyboard cases for these [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► ipads it isn't it's an incredible [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► incredible job without a doubt that is [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► the keyboard that I type of the most on [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► is is like that that keyboard cover and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► I just absolutely love it like I think [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► it's a really fantastic keyboard say i [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► use them both right because my ipad pros [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► at both in the cases typically bookcases [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► and I love both keyboards I think [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► they're both great it is more cramped [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► than 9.71 but you just readjust to Italy [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► surprisingly fast i can go from one to [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► the other and value even notice you know [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► I just really really really wish they [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► would give me a UK layout [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► I don't know why it's so difficult for [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► them to do this but they haven't done [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► this and it's nearly been a year now [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► no no it's not my problem American [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► layout is clearly superior at return key [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► know sometimes no no it's the chumps [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► it's easy it's easier to hit you have to [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► move your pinky let's hit the return key [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► on the US keyboard it's great huh [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► not that i will actually argue that it [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► is the superior layout and argue that [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► but that is but that aside this is the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► big problem for anybody who wants to [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► compete with what am I going to use for [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► a keyboard on my iPad pro is that I [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► really really like the keyboard cover [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► that Apple makes I think it's fantastic [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it's really light i never have two [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► parallel power it i never have to worry [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► about connecting it just it wins on [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► every level the convenience of it makes [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► up for all the things you might not like [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► about it right like the fact that it's [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► not that the switches are amazing right [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► there is a lot of travel on the keys for [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► me like I don't even notice that because [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► i'm so happy about the fact that it's [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► always there [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► yeah it's always there I think that the [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► whoever designed those keys I I always [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► compare it to it it's almost like [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► almost like typing on on bubble wrap or [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► something it's like the ends have a [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► little bit of pop to them [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► I like the sound that they make yeah and [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► that that little bit of pop whatever is [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► inside those keys [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► it conveys a feeling of satisfaction [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► when you're typing that is similar [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► although not the same to an actual [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► mechanical keyboard in a way that I [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► think that the traditional dome cap keys [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► don't have any kind of satisfaction when [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you type on them so I i think that the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the ipad built-in keyboard is is it's [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► really fantastic i really like it [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► the the biggest thing is what you said [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► before that you don't have the ability [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► to adjust the viewing angle which is a [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► pain [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► yeah it's particularly a pain if you're [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► trying to face time with someone while [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► using that because it the the angle is [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► just ridiculously far back for the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► camera right so the person is always [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► looking at the very top of your head so [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► you have like stuff it up on a pillow or [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► something it's like rearrange the ipad [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► to make facetime work with it but [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► decided i like that is the only thing [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► that I don't like and so I'm curious to [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► see this razer keyboard but it's it's [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► going to be incredibly hard to displace [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the ipad keyboard the built-in one [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► already so i'm glad it exists [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► I'm glad someone made it I'm glad razor [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► made it there should be more rainbow [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► leds on it [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► yeah I'm surprised it's not called like [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► the razor skull death mechanical [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► keyboard for ipad pro the snake venom [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► side winder we have for the ipad this [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► week's episode is brought to you by [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► pingdom is like kingdom but with the P [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► kingdoms job is to make sure that your [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► website stays up do you run your own [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► websites do you run your own service [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► online [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► well kingdom uses more than 70 global [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► test servers to evaluate that your site [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► is working the way that it should as [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► often as every minute they can check not [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► just that your website is up but that [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► your contact forms are working that your [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► ecommerce checkouts are working that [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► logins are working that search [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► functionality is working just about [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► every part of your site they can test to [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► make sure that it is up and if it breaks [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► they will let you know [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► right away if you're running your own [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► service to sell stuff on the internet [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► you want to know when something's not [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► working when suddenly the money stops [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► without pingdom how are you gonna find [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► out i don't know some random customer [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► sends you an email about it [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► 16 hours later to let you know about all [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► of the money that you've been missing [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► out on [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► yeah I guess they'll email you if that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► contact form on your website is working [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► but maybe that's broken too [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► you've got to make sure that this stuff [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► is working because the internet breaks [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► all the time every month kingdom to text [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► around a 13 million outages that's [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► 400,000 problems everyday data centers [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► break you update some part of your [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► website and you don't realize that it [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► breaks some other totally seemingly [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► unrelated but actually deeply [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► interconnected part of your website [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► kingdom detects the outage so you'll [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► immediately be alerted [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► so you can fix the error before it [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► affects you and before it affects your [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► users when someone comes to your website [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► to buy something you want to know that [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► it is up and it is available for them to [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► literally give you money now for [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► listeners of cortex you can get a 14-day [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► free trial when you go to Kingdom [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► dot-com and use offer code cortex but [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► not only is it a 14-day trial you'll [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► also get twenty percent off at checkout [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► bing.com offer code cortex we have not [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► been a hiring update on the show for a [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► while [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► mm you hadn't mentioned anything to me [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► about this for a while I mean any of our [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► conversations so I figured it was best [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► to not ask you about it [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► excellent Mike I know you've been [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► traveling so I figured okay maybe great [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► doesn't want to talk about this but then [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► you put out a video [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► well i'm about to exit which was much [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► demanded of you and you put that video [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► out because everybody needs the gray [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► logic in this and do that as somebody [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► who is concerned unhappy and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► uncomfortable about brexit hearing your [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► betting odds maybe feel a lot better [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► about it all but I noticed something [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► almost immediately in this video [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► what did you notice my I could tell it [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► wasn't you [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► oh really how how how do you think you [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► know that it wasn't me as a couple of [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► ok one that many people i saw in the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► reddit notice fingers on people's arms [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► you've never done that before but the [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► thing that I noticed was the fluidity of [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► the animation that was the biggest [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► change so things were moving differently [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► there was less movement by just like job [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► cuts there was more like actual movement [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► in the slides and one of the big tells [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► for me was I think it's at one point of [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► a great character or somebody moves and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► arm little and it moves in a non cgpgrey [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► way there's just little movements and [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► also like the illustration of the big [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► red button that isn't something you do [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► i'm watching a video right now in case [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► you couldn't tell [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► ok is that what you do it you're going [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► to the whistling face that her wouldn't [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► animate the whistling face uh-huh [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► because when i watch this video it's [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► what makes sense to me is to which type [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► of style should have one out in your [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► submission which is the FCT p gray truly [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► cared about animation to the point that [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► he wanted to learn more skills in it [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► this is how it would look like so it's [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► your style everything looks like you [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► drew right like the the stick figures [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► are all there it's not a wild departure [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► but the animation of all the characters [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► looks more alive more fluid and it's [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► just like the next step but because for [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► you the videos are in the work that you [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► do in the script soon and the animation [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► is just to help bring the script to life [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► putting that amount of effort and time [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► into learning how to animate in this [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► different way just was never in your [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► view but if you have somebody who does [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► this they're able to just bring it to [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► life a little bit more and a bit more [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► fluidity to the motion which I can [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► totally see in these you're still [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► confident that I didn't tell me I'm a [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► hundred percent confident that the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► interesting thing to me [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► is I don't quite know what you mean also [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► speculation time which is the best thing [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► that you put in any video of all time [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► speculation time is my entire life right [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► now that rainbow my words so good [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► ok we can get badges regulation time I [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► don't know what you mean by fluid [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► because I know the timeline of this [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► video and there are only I think two or [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► three moments that aren't just static [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► images on the screen so when you keep [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► saying more fluid-like i'm not quite [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► sure what you think you're seeing there [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► but it is actually a very large series [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► of static images there's only three [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► things that I think are actually [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► animated a little the little country [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► girls popping out of the United Kingdom [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► speculation time rainbow is animated it [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► wipes it on the screen and there's one [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► other one other little moment that's [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► animated everything else is a is a still [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► shot let me give you an example of what [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► I mean by fluidity which is in the cuts [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► blue which is in the little parts that [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► happen that are necessary [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► so for example quite early in the video [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► you're sitting behind a desk and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► something changed in the screen behind [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► you and your arm goes from bent straight [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► to point at it [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► look I just don't think that something [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► you would have done who [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► so it's like it adds more life to the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► video and what I say fluid that's kind [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► of what I mean there's more happening [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► there are more little movements there's [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► less still em like that just a little [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► elements change like again like the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► whistling thing it's not necessary but [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► it's there [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► who and then also just an illustration [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► quality that's higher than yours which [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► is like for example the back in cap blue [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► or what would you call it a little visor [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it just looks kind of our place in the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► cgpgrey flat world because it like a [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► little shine to it and stuff so these [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► are the things that make me one hundred [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► percent certain but you did not do the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► illustration and animation for this [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► video so am i right [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► so confident you are Mike so confident [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and yes you are right about that this [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► this was the first video that someone [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► else did [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► 99.5 [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► scent of the animation for this there [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► was just a tiny amount that I changed at [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the last second a couple little frames [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► but essentially this was entirely done [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► by a different person i handed over a [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► bunch of my assets for them to work with [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► my hand it over the assets that had [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► created of me at the desk a few of the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► things that normally use fonts i handed [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► over the country girls file about a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► bunch of like style guide kind of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► elements but i was working with somebody [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► else to create the animation for this [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► video so you're right you're right like [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► I want to come back to the assets i [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► think now but there's an important [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► question in this which is is the hiring [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► process over not exactly i am in [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► parallel trying a few things with a few [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► different people is is what's going on [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► and there's there are some things that [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► might come out in the future which are [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► done in a different way there are some [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► things that are just being tested so [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► strictly speaking know that the hiring [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► process is not over at this stage well I [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► guess it depends on your interpretation [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► of my question I think you're answering [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► this in like I haven't found my first [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► employee but are you still looking for [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► suggestions from people are you still [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► going to any of that you have like at [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► least a few people where you're like [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► they are good enough that i will use [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► them i am still refining down the list [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► of people who I would want to work with [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► in the future but you have at least [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► obviously found someone who fits the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► bill up at a base level so yes [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► the-the-the in that in that sense yes i [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► have found so far at least one person [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► who I would be happy to work with in the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► future because you know like it i want [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► to see it go further but that that [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► requires maybe different people as well [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► I wanted never never be satisfied you [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► can never set as well people fact is [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► this is a further furthermore i still [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► think there's more that can be done [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► right so i assume that you put some [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► constraints on this video but i would [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► love to see more animation in your [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► videos [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► then then what we have here as well so I [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► mean I'm hoping that you continue to [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► push it [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► mhm yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► Pixar studios eventually that's where [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► this is going like why not it's gonna be [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► why not it's gonna be hair animated on [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► monster skins sky's the limit maybe why [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► you know white white box yourself in the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► entire video shot under cgi water you [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► can do like what pixar do you know you [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► can take your animation team snorkeling [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► so you can understand the way that fish [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► move you can do all of that yeah i think [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► that's that's the endgame for great [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► industries without a doubt and that's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► how that's going to work that limit [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► yourself great field trips to Harvard to [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► see what universities are like yeah this [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► is how this is gonna go into a classroom [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► so they can really understand how to [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► animate the whiteboard really do think [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► that stuff matters but that's a whole [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► other issue like this and that capital [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► actually do think that is a very [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► legitimate business expense if you could [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► animate monsters inc is take everybody [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► to Harvard a lot of completely bent [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► under percent agree it sounds crazy but [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► I think he's right i think he was right [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► to do that there was no Apple pencil on [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► the desk but yes that was I was totally [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► aware of that and it was I was kind of [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► shaking my fist afterward I was very [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► upset i handed over the asset file that [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► has the old i think it's i think that's [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► the ipad 4 on my desk there i can tell [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► it's an old one because I remember the [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► day where you working on animation and [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you very proudly sent me a screenshot [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► with the pencil on the on the ipad and I [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► think I think you just have to meet [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► attention to detail so yeah but yes 03 a [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► slight asset mix up i did it i did end [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► up with an old ipad the desk [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this is one of those times where you [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► really wish you two could let you swap [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► out the video i really do right listen [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► listen you two but I absolutely have to [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► change the ipad on the disk don't you [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► don't understand how important this is [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► to me and four other people in the world [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► who notice that I very slowly update the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► set of tools that i use on last because [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► now it's like you're a time traveler [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► mhm because you're now talking about [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► breaks it with an ipad for mhm yeah this [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► is pretty ipad pro time [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► yeah it does it doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► actually wonder someone should someone [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► should find where is the first time that [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► I had [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► and ipad on the desk i don't i don't [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► know which video would have been and I'd [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► be curious to know because there are [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► older ones where you can see that I [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► still show myself using a laptop and [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► various shots but I don't know when I [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► first put the ipad on the desk and not [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► sure when that happens but yeah so but [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► so that was a little there's a little [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► editing glitch that occurred in the [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► process of animation not fatal obviously [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► I couldn't feel the need to pull the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► whole video out of it that is not [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► available leave but yes there there are [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► there are things that if you vary [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► eagle-eyed people did notice that were a [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► little bit different with this animation [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► or yeah just a little bit out of the [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► ordinary and yet but so that's that was [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► partly because i was working with [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► somebody else which was a very [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► interesting process and I also have to [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► say that this video would never ever [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► have occurred were it not for being able [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to work with someone on the animation it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► just it was interesting but it is like [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► during the process of thinking about mi [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► actually going to do a video on break [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Seth like what might this look like how [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► might it might come to be i was really [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► aware that had I not gotten to this [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► stage that i was at with filtering down [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► a list of people to work with and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► seriously being able to consider working [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► with some of them there's no way I would [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► have considered a brexit video it just [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► it just wouldn't have even been remotely [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► feasible why it wouldn't have been [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► feasible because of the time frame of [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► producing something like this [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► yeah so if you will allow me to pull [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► back the cotton a little bit will you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► allow me to do that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► okay i don't know how much of the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► curtain you're going to pull them we [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► were talking about this video you sent [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► me a script to look over because me and [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► you have been talking about breakfast a [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► bunch and maybe I've followed some of [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► the news morning you have which again [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► between you it's not very much but I've [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► been kind of looking at it and I looked [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► over the script and then thinks like to [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► come together like super quickly like [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that way faster then usual for you which [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that raised my eyebrows in the first [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► instance right like when I knew you were [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► animating was like this is quick like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► even gray is working with someone [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► he's decided to say to hell with my [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► hands who [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► so this timeline is a lot faster and [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that is very interesting because we had [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► previously on this show spoken about the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► fact that when you do this when you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► bring someone in [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► you were kind of expecting it to be a [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► lot of hard work to get them to the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► point where they could do this for you [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► but maybe that's at least if it's hard [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► work it's not work that takes a lot of [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► yeah was it this is part of the process [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► of trying to figure out which is the [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► person that I want to work with and [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► doing just a little bit of initial [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► feedback and essentially in in in no [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► small way this very video was a bit like [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► a job application stage of saying listen [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► let's let's see if we can do with thing [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► really quickly and with the person i was [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► working with I would have known within [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► the first day or two based on what i was [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► getting back from them if this was even [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► possible show and so the the person that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► I chose to work with on this I wasn't [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► just immediately seem like yes I think [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► that this is possible [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► let's just see if we can go for it and [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► one of the ways in which i like to try [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► to arrange projects is to have them be [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► valuable even if they fail or even if [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► they don't work out and so when I was [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► thinking about doing this brexit video [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► one of the things i was thinking of was [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► well if I work on this script and I am [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► trying to make this video with somebody [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► else and it doesn't work out because of [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► the animations like the animations are [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► not able to be done in the required time [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► into the required quality that i need at [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the very least i have learned something [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► about one of my finalists candidates [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► right that's so it's like even if this [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► is a disaster is not a total disaster [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► there is something that is kind of [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► salvaged out of it [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the time money calculation work cell [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► checks out it checks out because I look [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► I'm I'm I'm essentially giving someone [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► something to do under a kind of time [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► constraints and I need to be able to see [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► what they're able to do because if you [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► didn't do this you never notice about [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► this person and then that is counter to [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► how you want to run your business going [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► forward [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► exactly exactly so what my view was even [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► if the video didn't come out there was [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► there was still an upside to eat [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► in doing this and that was one of the [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► reasons why I wanted to do this is like [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► okay let me see [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► and it was also just an ability to see [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► and to test a kind of quick turnaround [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► because in the process of making this i [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► was looking it up and I think it was [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► something like 11 days start to finish [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► on this video which is a pretty fast [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► turnaround for me I think you're [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► underselling that [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► oh yeah 11 days start to finish [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► it's very fast it's very fast for me [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► it's not a pace that I would want to [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► work out regularly and it's not a pace [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that would want my animators to work out [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► regularly your business so far as proven [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► that you don't need to do that right [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► this video was a case of there is an [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► implicit time pressure because this [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► video can only be produced so fast [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► we're trying to talk about a changing [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► situation and so if this is a thing [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► that's going to take three weeks there's [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► there's no good way to talk about it [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► three weeks from now right because too [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► much will have too much will change talk [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► about changing situation [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah and yes the scripted changed [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► several times over even the space of [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► those 11 day like I don't know how [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► racket that everything's changed because [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► now we have a prime minister [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► yeah that was that was a was like curse [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► you increasing stability of the world is [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► not what I want from my scripts my [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► script is based on the premise that [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► there won't be a prime minister for [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► several months but somehow this is just [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► changed overnight [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► I say when I knew this was coming [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► together I just every every few hours i [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► would just go to the BBC News homepage [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► and just see and want to keep sending [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► you articles like I felt a duty was like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► I know you're not looking like you need [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► to know if we have a prime minister [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► yes i was i was glad to be kept up to [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► date but all of this is just a long way [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► of saying that i couldn't have possibly [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► consider doing this video on my own [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► because essentially the animator was [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► working simultaneously on this as i was [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► writing the script and so that meant [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► that I was kind of burning some of his [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► work when I was making changes but it [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► was still like we are each trying to get [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► towards the thing at the same time [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► and he only had the the final audio the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► the evening before it was supposed to go [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► up right but kept working off of my [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► drafts and storyboards and things so [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► this this is why i was able to be done [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► because if that hadn't occurred it took [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► me 11 days to get a finished script and [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► then if I had to sit down and animated [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► that would have been especially because [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► it's a longer video the normal that [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► would have been close to a week maybe [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► yeah i'm going to say close to a week if [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► I was if I was really pushing it and not [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► caring at all about my hand and then in [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► all honesty you have to every written [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the script again like yeah but yeah [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► there's no way it would have worked [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► that's exactly at an additional week [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► would have meant too much changing the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► political situation I would have gone [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► back to go the audio and like I guess [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► what this loop will just continue [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► however you can't fix this audio and [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► this script fast enough to also be able [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► to animate whatever the changes are just [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► going to get stuck in this forever [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► I want to talk about some of the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► practicalities of this process [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► no because this is a way that you have [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► worked very closely with someone in a [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► different way to before you know it mean [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► you were quite closely with sending [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► audio files back and forth but not at [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the speed and pace and frequency who [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► like I'm not making an edit and then [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► sending it to you and then you don't [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► make an edit and send it to me I just do [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► the full show and then send it to you [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► and then you take a look at the four sho [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► we're not like taking a little blocks [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and chopping them up and stuff like that [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► who which is what I assume was a little [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► bit more of what was happening with the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► animator who that you were kind of [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► sending it back and forwards to them and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► they were checking things of you you are [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► sending the medics they were making more [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► edits you were checking on that kind of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► so how was that process going backwards [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and forwards how are you communicating [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► how are you transferring files that kind [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► of thing [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► ok so here is the rough process this [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► would have been the Friday before the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► video went up so like we are a week [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► earlier i had finished what i thought [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► was a a pretty decent rough script for [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► video this is this is a stage I always [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► have to get to which is a bit of a [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► proof-of-concept like is there something [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► to talk about here like I'm not and not [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► exactly sure there was a great thing to [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► talk about and so eventually settled on [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► this idea [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► talking about in terms of bets and then [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► I thought okay maybe maybe there's a [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► thing to discuss here so let me just try [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► to see if i can find a script and [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► sometimes in this process I discovered [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► like actually no there really isn't [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► anything to talk about it so I had about [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► 1,500 words for a script that I thought [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► okay this is enough that I can look at [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► this and i can say go like we can try to [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► do this and so the first the first stage [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► was just doing a very rough storyboard [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► for if this rough script is to become a [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► video what are the things that are going [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► to be needed on screen but what are the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► items that we are talking about and so [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► how is entering and leaving the EU going [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► to be conceptualized and how are the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► political parties going to be shown how [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► are all of these elements going to be on [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► screen and there's a way you can do that [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► which is to just just do it by stick [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► figures and so I largely turn that over [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► to the animator and said storyboard this [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► out for me and and that was kind of like [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► my first test of of seeing can you get [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► back to me a storyboard on this rough [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► script that looks reasonable to me and [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and the answer was yes and so when I got [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► back to storyboard look reasonable it's [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► like okay we're gonna go [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► what is the story polls look like a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► storyboard just looks like a bunch of [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► hand-drawn boxes with little stick [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► figures in it and like just the roughest [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► possible drawing that you could have of [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► what is going to happen in each section [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► of the script we had that and then the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► way it worked was that i just spent the [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► heck each morning working on the script [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► each afternoon trying to keep up a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► little bit with politically what's going [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► on and reading and then each evening [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► working on the script against i was [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► doing like two major writing and one [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► like reading section each day this is [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► like my cycle of going through it and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► while I was doing that the animator [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► wasn't trying to animate the video [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► directly but was instead trying to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► create all of the pieces that would need [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► to be assembled at the end so [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► this is how this was able to be done [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► there's a way to work on the animations [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► without having to actually be animating [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► like each frame that's going to occur [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► it's it's more like create the pieces [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► that will be frantically assembled [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► together at the last possible second but [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► you know ninety percent of the work has [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► been done in the creation of the assets [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► that are going to be on screen right so [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► that's that's the way this was working i [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► kept messaging him every time I had done [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► a major revision just said okay here's [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► here's the stuff that's changed if you [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► were working on these assets like this [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► thing is no longer no longer needs to be [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► there so just dump it if you're working [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► on it and and hears anything new that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► will need to be created and something [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► that a perfect example is like we need a [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► prime minister now right there was no [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► reference to five minutes during the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► script but now we need something for the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► prime minister to do and yeah there [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► needs to be some reference to her right [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► now yeah now that needs to be a specific [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► Prime Minister right right there doesn't [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► need to be a a generic nobody's doing [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► the job Prime Minister yeah and so that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► is that is roughly how it went as the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► days as the days went on more assets [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► were created and then there's parts of [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► the script which looked very unlikely to [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► change and so those start getting [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► created in two different into different [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► slides and it all starts coming together [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► until the very end where the day before [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► I'm able to say okay here is the final [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► audio and animated against this like [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► this so now we know what the timings [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► need to be for how long it takes me to [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► say each individual part and I'm [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► assuming you're communicating via slack [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► transferring files by Dropbox is yeah [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► this is an entirely slack dropbox [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► project which is kind of amazing to me [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► that again you can work with someone [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► just anywhere random if the world was [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► like yeah but we have like instant [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► messaging platform files can be [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► transferred back and forth immediately [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► this is even little things that I just I [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► don't know I I i still feel like it's [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► slightly magical that i can get a [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► message from a guy who's like oh hey I [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► need that scroll that you use all the [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► time and I can open up my phone like [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► drill down into dropbox where I keep [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► that copy it over into the shared folder [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that we have and then he gets it seconds [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► later right now but I'm like walking to [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► my house and just doing this on my phone [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► with one hand as a step on from that [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► like that the way that improves the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► collaboration process between you and [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► this person is amazing because now they [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► never need to [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► for that again yeah this is the idea of [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► the assets right right and eventually [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► like they you just don't need to give [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► anything like that anymore because they [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► have it all which is interesting [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► yeah there is I mean my description [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► might sound a little bit like rushed and [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► chaotic and i have to say this was [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► definitely a little bit rushed and [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► chaotic there were a bunch of ways we [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► were doing stuff that we were talking [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► about like this is not how we're [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► normally gonna do this if we work [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► together in the future you don't have [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► processes yet yet but it was a question [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► of is there just a super fast way to do [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► it right now just do it that way even if [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► this is not a good way to do things in [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► the future because what what matters is [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► we need this up by Friday like we cannot [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► afford an additional weekend news cycle [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► so just whatever is fastest just do that [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► that's what we're going to do and at the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► end of it you just delivered a video [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► file [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► yes the way we did it this time was I [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► was delivered a video file just a just a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► straight up and before that I imported [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► into final cut pro added a few things [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► that I needed to do added in a couple of [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► little transitions that I wanted in [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► there and then I react sport again and [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► uploaded to YouTube [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► that's a perfect example of this is a [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► terrible way to normally do it but this [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► is the fastest way to just do it now but [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► like get it done [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► great just send me an mp4 file like we [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► don't have time to deal with out we [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► don't like me re-rendering it on my end [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► like no potential is actually faster to [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► just send it across the internet isn't [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► it before let's just do it that way did [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it feel pretty good the I was just [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► pleased that it was done and I've been [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► thinking about it a lot that it's I [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► don't really like doing super fast [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► turnaround stuff i find it very [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► stressful i really don't like playing [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► any games with the new cycle but it was [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► it was interesting and useful to have [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► done this one this time just to see that [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► it's possible and and to have that as a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► thing to keep in mind for the future [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► because you're that there are things [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that you focus on [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that every few years there is a video [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► like this that should be made like an [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► election occurs and something crazy [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► happens in the election like that is so [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► within your wheelhouse you just make [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► sense for you to have a video about it [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► that's why everybody really wanted a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► brexit video from you right because [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► there are so many elements of brexit [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► which for directly into cg b grades [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► video will house right there is a really [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► interesting election that's done [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► something way movements between [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► countries like political that it all [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► kind of ties together so nicely [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► you know that's why everybody wanted it [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► and it's good to know now that you at [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► least in your back pocket have the [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► ability to have a video from conception [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► to delivery in like ten days it's just a [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► good thing you don't know you can do [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► which you couldn't have done like that [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► this is you so that there's no way this [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► video would have existed if you were [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► trying to do on your own [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► yeah there's there's there's no way it's [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► just not possible that the fastest [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► turnaround I ever did was the [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► Confederate flag video but if you go [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► back and look at that first of all it's [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► incredibly short right it is a a very [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► short video that is is very minimal and [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► information that that needs to get out [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► there which is the only reason I was [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► able to even consider doing that two [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► minutes and 20 seconds [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► yeah this is so it's like hardly [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► anything it was almost like a like a [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► second full kind of video radical issues [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► like here's the thing i have some [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► thoughts on it and it's done [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► yeah exactly it was it was very very [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► very short whereas the brexit one [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► because i really felt that the only way [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► to talk about it was with speculation [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► time was to acknowledge and discuss the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► fact that there is no process that this [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► is all just speculation is kind of why I [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► felt ok doing that video in that way [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► speculation is an intrinsic part of what [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► is occurring now so let's speculate like [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► let's do that but in order to get to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► that stage of the video like why is it [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► speculation there's there's enough [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► ground work that needs to be late and [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► enough stuff that needs to be talked [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► about that there's no way that that can [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► be a short video like it [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► i I couldn't do a video where I just [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► came out and just talked about the odds [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► of breakfast I can be it wouldn't make [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► sense i think i think it needs it needed [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► a little bit of context but then that's [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that's why the video is whatever it is [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► six minutes seven minutes long i have no [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► idea its pretty long time talking pretty [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► fast through the script so yeah it's it [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► was not doable on my own but doable with [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► somebody else [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► how do you feel about the future now one [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► of the things I I think about the future [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► just in general is the importance of [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► proof of concepts like just the the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► proof that the thing is able to be done [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► even if it is not done in a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► cost-effective or elegant or quick way [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► like you approve that anything is [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► possible to do i usually with regards [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the world of technology like proof of [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► concepts are very interesting and to me [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► this this is me essentially having gone [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► through a proof of concept that i can do [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► a video with having someone else do the [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► animation if I'm able to work with the [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► right person [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► there are several ways that this has an [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► impact on my work and I feel like I'm [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► i'm still trying to think through [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► precisely what this means i haven't [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► really come to a solid conclusion but I [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► feel like one of the main things that I [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► had on my mind when we started this [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► whole hashtag year of less me was was [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► trying to remove myself from parts of [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the business which are incredibly [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► time-consuming and this was one of the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► big ones that was like in the back of my [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► mind is the thing that like is possible [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► to do and so now here you know just just [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► over halfway through the year the answer [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► is yes this is the thing that was [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► possible to do and I could see straight [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► away some of the things that were on my [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► mind about reasons why would want to do [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► this and and one of the big ones was [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► even though this was a a lot of work to [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► get the script done in this amount of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► it was ultimately those still a lot less [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► disruptive to my regular working routine [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► so I did need some downtime after the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► video went up but it wasn't like when I [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► normally put up a video and i feel like [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► i have been drained of all my life force [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► right and it's like I am now knocking [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► almost like you're a week out of my [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► schedule before I'm back to being a [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► normal person and also a whole bunch of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► knock-on effects of that has just like [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► something we need to revisit the whole [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► idea of routines again but just being [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► aware that every time I upload a video [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► it really punches out a whole section of [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► my calendar and my schedule my routines [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► in a not helpful way and so doing doing [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► this video with another person i was [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► really aware like okay this was very [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► busy this was an unusual amount of work [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► time this was a big crunch but I don't [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► feel like I've just blasted a hole in my [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► calendar I as a result of this and I [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► think that like that has an interesting [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► impact on the future so i guess i guess [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the answer is i am interested to see [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► where this goes but i can't say i have [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► super solid specific thoughts on it now [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► but but what I do have is a successful [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► proof-of-concept and I'm i'm pretty [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► happy about that [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► if you're not doing the animation of [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► illustration do you feel like all of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► your creative bitches will be scratched [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► so for me there are certain shows the I [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► edit but I can't let go of [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► because i like to put might on them like [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► the flourishes that I do that I hear you [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► know why my little things the things [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► that I can't explain to somebody else [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► like why I feel like a sound effect [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► needs to go here or why I think this [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► part needs the government minima you [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► know like why that I think that stuff [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► should happen that's part of my own [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► creative vision I guess which is [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► terrible way to say that but this store [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► we're gonna break up you're such an [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► artiste I know I asked you know podcasts [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► as art right right and do you think that [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► in doing this in in handy [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► over the whole of this part of the the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► video creation do you think that you [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► might end up feeling like you're missing [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► I don't know that's hard to project in [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the future but again in this world of a [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► proof-of-concept one of the things the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► proof of concept stage was giving [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► feedback on the storyboards for example [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► like before anything starts to get [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► animated like here's changes that need [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► to be made or you know this this needs [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► to be different this needs to be [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► different and that was an interesting [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► thing to see where it it's the same [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► feeling of I don't know why I need or [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► want this section to be different but I [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► just feel it's better if it's shown this [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► way versus that way and i didn't i [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► didn't do a ton of that but it was again [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► just I think part of the process of [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► trying to work with somebody else and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► and getting into the experience of like [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► giving a list of changes right seeing [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► what comes back seeing seeing how that [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► goes and i can see that being just fine [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► in the future working on rough [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► storyboards with somebody else and doing [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► a bunch of feedback in that stage and [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► feeling totally fine with that that the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► at the end result with the animations is [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► what i want and in lots of little [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► details is better than something that I [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► could produce on my own so I don't [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► necessarily worried that I'm going to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► feel like how I don't have an expression [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► for my creative side I'm not too [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► concerned about that but maybe I'm wrong [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► it's hard to know your future self you [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► definitely have a creative flair for [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► making your little jokes and stuff that [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► you do and I just wonder like can you [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► explain that to someone easily [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah again there's there's there's [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► many ways where we'll have to see it in [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► the in the future developing an actual [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► process for working together with other [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► people as as opposed to just like the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► whole god let's get it up right now and [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► I think that that will be part of of [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► what this is of when i'm writing a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► script I often like i always say like I [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► have a very clear idea in my head [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► what it is that I want up on screen so i [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► think part of the process in the future [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► might be figuring out a way to [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► communicate what I think are the most [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► important parts of that i like what i am [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► saying these words and these words they [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► look on paper like they don't work but I [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► think they will work if this is on the [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► screen when I'm saying them [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► yeah yeah like that that is a thing that [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► comes up all the time when I'm writing [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► is being aware of words that just don't [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► work if the right thing isn't on the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► screen so you feel like you have that [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► vision when you're writing rather than [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► one you're animating yes exactly [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► well then that's going to be great for [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► you then right because for me like I [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► only get some of those thoughts when I'm [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► actually hearing the audio go through em [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► right I like all this work really great [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► here Lou [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► so that's when I do it anybody if you're [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► seeing it when you're writing then [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► you'll still probably going to get the [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► majority of that creativity out right [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► listening to you talk about this and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► knowing kind of the process that you've [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► been through and you know as our [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► listeners have heard us go along this i [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► mean i'm seeing the output i think the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► future is very bright [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► yeah maybe I don't know about my [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► feelings just things are different and [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► we're just looking back at the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► conversations that we've had over the [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► last few months [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► Lou what you have here is exactly what [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► you are looking for like a base level [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► somebody has created a video that looks [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► like one of your videos who is maybe [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► have even higher quality than some of [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► them who and it worked perfectly and [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► they've not diverged from you you know [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► we haven't got red stick figures like [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► fists you know they're not doing [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► something crazy all of the additions are [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► great speculation time again best thing [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► ever you know all of this stuff was work [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► and then its output something that not [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► only as good as something as we said [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► many times you couldn't have done so [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► this has been like a net win for the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right I definitely think so i [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► definitely think so [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► so I think that [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► what I don't know if any in a year from [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► now i will exactly be in this position [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► but going forward I would like ideally [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► to do as little of the animation is [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► possible for for all of the various [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► reasons we have discussed in previous [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► shows and it seems to me that there is a [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► way to do that now I that is real so I [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► am I am looking forward to seeing how [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► this goes [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► I feel like you're on the plane this [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► yeah i mean that you might just want to [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► be conservative about it but this just [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► seems like perfect that you've done it [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► you know and it's worked and now you are [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► able to do more than you ever been able [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► to do before like this just seems like a [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► absolute unbridled victory [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I'm a cautious person i know you are i [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► mean that's all this is [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► ok i just can't believe how you're not [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► like you know running down the road [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► clicking your heels like this is exactly [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► what you're looking for [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► first try the right this is amazing i'm [TS]

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00:55:44 ◼   ► them so in what will be regarded as a [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► classic cortex moment from the last [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► episode where you got very upset about [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► Evernote it has brought people out in [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► their droves to recommend other services [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► to you [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► yeah as a replacement for Evernote yeah [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► so I kind of what first of our you [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► totally ditching it like a have you made [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► the decision is it dead 270 gone [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► I mean like look here's the short answer [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► to this is no right I i spent after that [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► episode a a a long frustrating weekend [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► trying my darndest to find a solution to [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► this and that the closest thing by far [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► is one note and i was like i am [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► determined to make one note work but [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► there are a few things that that are [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► just total deal-breakers about the way [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► one networks I i think that Evernote is [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► really just a tool that sits at a unique [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► place that they're there really isn't [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► anything else that does all of the [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► things that it does it's just deeply [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► unfortunate that Evernote is at a [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► company that I don't feel like I can [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► trust very much [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► and that does not do a great job with [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► the ipad implementation of their app and [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► has dumped limits and so the the end [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► result of what it is that I'm going to [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► do so far is since there is nothing that [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► i can switch to right now and since this [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► is still a tool that I need to keep [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► using a bunch of people very helpfully [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► pointed out that there are ways to try [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► to get around these Evernote limitations [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► by using tags so instead of having [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► individual notebooks for things you can [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► instead tag all of your notes and that [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► there is some ridiculous limit on the [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► number of tags that was like 10,000 or [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► hundred thousand tag they don't remember [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► exactly but the limit is very very high [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► so I can kick the can down the road to [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► 10 years from now gray who has to worry [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► about what happens when he runs up [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► against the 10,000 tag limit and [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► Evernote and has never know it's a [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► 100-year company right so you're going [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► to be fine [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► that's right they'll definitely be [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► around in 10 years and tags can be [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► arranged in a hierarchical manner which [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► I was not aware of because it's not [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► something that you can do on the ipad [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► it's only thing that you can do on the [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► desktop version turns out [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► same with Apple notes you can have [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► nested folders we were told but only on [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► OSN you can set them up and then you can [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► view them on iOS em that kind of stuff [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► always makes me nervous when the the [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► feature click so i can nest the tags on [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► the desktop but I can't do it on iOS [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► like it got in the old version but when [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► they decided to make the new touch [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► version they decided not to put it in [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► Bryon um yeah which doesn't make me feel [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► super confident about that as well but [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► it's really it's really just a result of [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► I i think i've often happens with tools [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► that people use professionally and [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► computer tools in general that you can [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► end up feeling kind of trapped by a tool [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► that you rely upon that there's there's [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► no good way to move and whatever know [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► there's always just some deal-breaking [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► feature of trying to move to [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► to another system like I'll definitely [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► give a pretty good recommendation to [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► google drive as well as an alternative [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► way to try to do this kind of thing [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► yeah a few people wrote in about this it [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► seems like it has a lot of the features [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► so you can upload files searchable to do [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► OCR it has hierarchical folders it works [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► on all devices is no limits [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► why is Google Drive not like an obvious [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► replacement [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► yeah I played around with it it's not as [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► good as Evernote as and getting stuff [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► into it so I could totally chokes on a [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► thing that I do all the time which is I [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► would like to save this webpage into [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► Google Drive get it doesn't do the thing [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► where Evernote kind of grabbed [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► there's a whole HTML copy of the webpage [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► then the whole thing is searchable does [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► it do that on iOS to the web clipping [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► Evernote yeah does interesting i think [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► they're cheating it in some way but it [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► definitely it does do it i'm sure that [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► like I mean this is an annoying thing [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► that you could use other applications to [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► get that stuff into google drive right [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► is that he's like that like there's [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► totally ways to try to think about doing [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► this but one of the other things that is [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► frustrating is the problem of how do i [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► get all of my stuff out of Evernote [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► right now is one of these things where I [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► don't know if you ever mention on the [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► podcast before but i have always been [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► really annoyed at evernotes claims of [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► data portability with her like oh don't [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► worry you can export your data anytime [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► you want [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► it's super easy all you have to do is [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► select one notebook at a time [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► export that one notebook and you will [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► get a file on your desktop which is some [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► custom xml file that we have written [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► that essentially nothing else can read [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► like but we've exported your data like [TS]