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I'm just waiting for you man anytime you
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want to start perfectly ready to start
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always ready to go on a percent the time
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something we didn't talk about last time
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was that you snuck into WWDC oh yeah I
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guess that happens it did happen i feel
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like i have been so busy I have lost all
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sense of time
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yeah we're both back in London now you
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arrive significantly later than me
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because you went to VidCon as well
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yeah I'm freshly in London and so still
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freshly jetlagged actually but i'm back
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back for I think three weeks before i
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turn right back around and go back to
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America head for the moment i'm here you
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doing this to yourself
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I know it's the summer of lots of travel
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and not fun
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hashtag queen creek SC I've at least
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given myself five weeks before i go back
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oh yeah what are you going back for I
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don't even remember i'm going to Memphis
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oh right a real afms two-year
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anniversary that should be fun
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yeah that's going to be looking forward
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to it although memphis in August seems
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like a really bad idea
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I'm sure it's fine i think im gonna melt
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look I think unlike London Memphis
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should be built for the fact that it
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gets to be a hundred degrees so you
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should be fine as long as you stay
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indoors i had just go there to stay in
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my hotel for the whole time so it's too
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hot to go outside
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just stay here it's a great approach
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right to the vacations is staying in the
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yeah it's great actually literally no
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problem with this so you should have a
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great time in Memphis just be a good
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hotel when you were in the redc people
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know that you were in San Francisco but
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you actually went into Moscow knee where
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they hold the developer conference you
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found a way and I think you broke for
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like an open window or something like
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that is the word on the street
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what did you actually do there
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what did I do yeah I stuck around that
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that's what i did was sneaking around
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and tell that you go and see some like
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talks law like sessions it was sneaking
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around means being super Sneaky and also
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tweeting about affected her
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visit www.uscash Nikki for about six
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minutes i think before you started
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incessantly tweeting about the fact that
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you've broken in
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well what actually occurred was i got in
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there there were a few things that I did
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really want to do and then once I felt
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like okay great i have had minimum
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viable WWDC experience and if I get
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caught now I won't mind so much then I
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started tweeting so I was always quiet
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and mute I think for the first few hours
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and then afterwards I got a hell with
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this i'm just going to tweet about the
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fact that i'm here because it's funny to
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do I mean the answer to your question
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what did i do their mean primarily I was
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really just a tourist at WWDC i am not a
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developer i have no real reason to be
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there whatsoever but I am interested in
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apple i'm interested in development in
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an abstract kind of way i'm curious to
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see a little bit of of not exactly
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behind the scenes but a little bit more
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of the business side of Apple like what
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is it that Apple does with this
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conference where the kinds of people who
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were going there
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how do these toxic oh I was just curious
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to see all over this stuff in person and
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so I went in and actually how I attended
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a few of the sessions I die just trying
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to pick titles that seemed at least
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vaguely relevant to my interests
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you sound surprised by that Mike I mean
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I know that you have a better base
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understanding than i do but some of this
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stuff but this at any session I've ever
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seen kind of really bores me because
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they start to encode onstage and I just
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start can't understand it no matter how
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much I try blue yeah this is a case
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where I have no experience with Swift
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and i have no experience with see
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Swift's predecessor language I mean that
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the language i am most familiar with is
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actually lisp from years ago which is a
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bizarre language and I don't even know
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what that one is
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yeah if you just look at what list looks
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like it is
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no other programming language because
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the whole thing is based on parentheses
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it doesn't it doesn't even have like it
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is just missing many of the features
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that you would expect a normal computer
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programming language to have em yeah
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well those good features double missed
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yes that's right like you know which one
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the good ones yes all of the good one
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has all the bad ones that now it's it's
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it's simple and beautiful and
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impractical for very many situations but
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nonetheless is the one that I have the
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most experience when she is it for this
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is the one that's used for some of the
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stuff now that's being done in
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artificial intelligence research
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oh so out of the time it was used for
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genetic algorithms in genetic
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programming i have no idea if the
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language is still in use today for those
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purposes but you know ten years ago this
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was the language that because of some of
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its strange features was very very
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useful for doing the kind of thing where
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you are writing a program to program
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itself as opposed to writing it to
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explicitly solve a problem so lisp very
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very weird at and probably not a
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language you would want to use under
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most circumstances but the thing that I
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was familiar with the years ago and
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while i could not program my way out of
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a paper bag today even with Lisp if i'm
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sitting in a session at WWDC and they do
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the throwing code on the screen thing
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while I will agree with you it does the
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the level of boringness personally does
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go up quite a lot during those moments I
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can still at least follow the gist of
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what is going on
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like I have a sense of what they're
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talking about or or what this is code is
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doing even though i can't follow the
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details so that's why sitting in a
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session it was an interesting thing to
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do during this experience like I said I
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just tried to pick ones that were
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relevant to my interests so the first
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one I went to was on research kit so
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they were doing a little session about
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some of the changes with research kit
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which is their system that allows
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scientists and medical researchers to
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try to collect data from patients and
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try to give feedback to patients and
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that was interesting to see I'm like
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what what they're up to there and then I
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also just set it on another one which
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was about developing games for the Apple
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I like the whole notion of that i
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thought was really funny because there's
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so little space here I was just kind of
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curious to see you know like what do
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they think is a viable option for a game
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and that means to date the only thing i
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have ever seen which I thought was kind
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of an interesting game for Apple watch
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with something called i think it was
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called lifeline
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yes very optional and you have to kind
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of talk to the astral right yeah that is
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that i thought was interesting begin its
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it's essentially like a little text
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adventures is kind of what's occurring
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but I thought the the whole idea of a
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wrist communicator and you're sending
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messages back and forth like it really
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worked on the Apple watch but i was
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curious to see like what are they
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developing for games in general like if
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they're having a session here they
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clearly think that there is something to
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the idea of gaming on the Apple watch so
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i went in and i watch that and I thought
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it was interesting and i also like to
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try to look out for the things that
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Apple isn't saying so I couldn't help
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but notice during the entire time I was
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sitting in that Apple watch session that
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they were never ever mentioning force
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pressing on the Apple watch and then I
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cast my mind back to the WWDC
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announcement I thought huh i don't think
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they mentioned anything about force
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pressing there either
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and so just little things like that i
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just get curious and I think I wonder
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what's up with that there are many
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situations here what it would seem to
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make sense that you want to have force
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pressing on the screen especially for
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games but it seems notably absent so
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yeah I just like being in the sessions
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and trying to read between the lines of
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what Apple's upto which is you know
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always always fun doing the kind of
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Criminology of Apple discussions and
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events so yeah that was a is primarily
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what i was doing in the morning
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I'm pleased that you did it there was a
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conversation where I made that I was way
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too chicken to do this to sneak and I'd
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be too scared to get caught
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see the trick with so many of these
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things is to just try to act very
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confidently when you walk through the
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door but this is why i know that i
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couldn't because I would be to scared of
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getting cool right
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I couldn't act that way just gotta walk
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through the door with your forged and or
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stolen tickets and or gifted ticket who
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knows and just you know look
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the trick is like you look past the guy
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at the door like you're already in right
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like you're not concerned what he's
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thinking about when you're walking in
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the door if you looked nervously at the
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security garden and tremblingly hand
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over your ticket as i'm sure you would
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have done then they're going to know
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they're going to know something's up but
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you act like you're already in the event
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as you're walking in the event and
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you're just being minorly inconvenienced
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by having to hand over the ticket that's
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what you do that i did worked work just
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good and the fact that i had a valid
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ticket probably helps yeah it was
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evaluated right like the biggest air
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quotes it take existed
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yeah that's Joe that's true the ticket
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existed might not have been valid for me
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I think they're not transferable
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so what about the people like you to
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speak to anyone where you staying
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completely incognito because of not only
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the fact that you like to be incognito
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you also they're sneaking yeah so the
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people is an interesting thing once
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people knew that I was at WWDC I did
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start getting recognized by a few people
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who were there and that was fine and
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also i was able to actually end up
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speaking to a few people who make apps
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that I use which was an interesting
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experience to be able to do that I feel
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so sorry for those people I why do you
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say that Mike why do you say that Q
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because I metric all hey I really love
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your app here is 65 features i would
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like you to implement the only I need to
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see I try to take the entire opposite
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tack in those moments you might think
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that I would harass the developers but
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mostly I feel like people do things for
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thing that I was able to do I was very
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glad to be able to do it but even more
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putting it out in public for this can
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contacts with people who do similar
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comparisons and similar experiences so i
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write code but we can have a
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conversation that is sort of about like
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the creative process because there are
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writing a script they require a similar
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kind of work and then there's also
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similar kind of responses to putting
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your workout in public so i just found
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it valuable to interact with people who
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in london in my social circle who does
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work like this and so we can always just
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that when you do work in public on the
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internet you feel like sort of connected
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to a bunch of people but they're always
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going to be geographically distant
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because the frequency of anyone doing
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this work is so rare so i get i guess
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like in that sense it's networking
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because my feeling was a bit like i am
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going to meet up with colleagues they
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might not do the exact same thing that I
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relationship with a whole bunch of
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people and also i can go meet with
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people who are new colleagues to me by
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but we have this kind of commonality of
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doing work in public so i don't know
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does that is my very long probably
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overly detailed response to was I
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networking like I guess
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yes but it depends slightly on on what
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you mean by networking but they were
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certainly know speed dating business
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networking though based on the type of
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networking the I think often do you were
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networking like this is how I think of
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it me just meeting people in your
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industry like I i recommend to people
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development or your design or something
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like that there are probably meetups in
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your area like you don't have to go to
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California you know that they're there
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are likely meetups that you can go to
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that will have like-minded people doing
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this kind of thing so you can make these
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contacts yourself
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maybe approaching this from a sense of I
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just want to know people you know who
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for kind of camaraderie and you know a
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sense of not kind of feeling alone in
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this which you can at times especially
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when you work at home and in solitary
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ways that we both do
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it's nice to know that there are people
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out there that you can talk to that you
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are aware doing the same kind of thing
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that you are who
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but there really is a business side of
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it that you potentially don't see right
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now look at me and you right
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you reached out to me when I started
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relay them and we and it's got a similar
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kind of thing and we went for lunch and
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then we are working together like many
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months down the line and this is the
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same for me for me going to WDC WDC is
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calendar is one of the most vital things
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that i do as part of my business in the
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year and it has been the most vital
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thing I've done in business over the
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last four years I've attended there
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because I get to meet people and put
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faces to names and kind of get in front
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of people that I think are doing
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interesting work or that i enjoy their
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work and then they get to learn a little
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bit about me they get to see how I
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interact and its kind of led to what
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real anthem is now you know other people
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that we work with people that I've met
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and that Steven's met at these types of
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events and over time we struck up
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friendships and working relationships
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which eventually built to the thing that
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I'm doing now I think it's really
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important to have these kind of
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in-person meetings and conversations to
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people because it helps strengthen bonds
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even if you know somebody online and you
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talked to them every single day of
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multiple messaging services it can be
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really important to just see how they
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talk and look at their body language and
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see their face when they talk to you in
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these in person scenarios because it
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really kind of just helps fill out the
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picture of that person because then when
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you're apart again and you're talking as
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you were before you then have a
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different kind of feeling and sense for
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that individual and that could be so
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important for building the relationships
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that you want to build whatever their
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friendship or business
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yeah i definitely agree that no matter
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how much online contact you have with
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people it is fundamentally different to
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talk to people in person and that a
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relationship is always different after
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some amount of in-person time no matter
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how small has been spent and there's
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just no way around that it's I think
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this is just a side effect of
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you know humans being the monkeys that
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we are that there there's something
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there's something different that happens
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in your brain after you meet someone in
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real life I think your monkey brain does
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a better job of modeling the other
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person in your mind when you are then
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talking to them online later or it it
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makes the person more real in this in
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this way which is undefinable there were
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a number of people that i met this
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summer who I had had a bunch of texts
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interchanges with over the internet but
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it's still fundamentally different than
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when you actually see them in person and
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spend some time together in person it's
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just like there's some part of your
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brain that kind of needs this or that
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that treats things differently when the
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when the person is more embodied for you
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and I do think that this is um it's like
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the next level of i wrote this article a
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while back called faceless voices
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talking about radio voices or narration
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voices and how something in your brain
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changes if you ever see a picture of
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that person like if you just hear
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someone's voice and then you see what
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they look like your brain treats it
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differently and I really do I really do
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think that that's something going on in
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the mind that if you hear a voice
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unconnected from a face your brain
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experiences in a different way than once
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you know what the face looks like and I
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think there's another level past that
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which is you've heard the person you
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know what their face looks like but now
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they are sitting in front of you and you
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the two of you are exchanging you know
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nonverbal communication in the form of
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body language or the way you're looking
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i really do think that that matters a
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lot for human interaction the internet
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can't replace that yet maybe when vr
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gets good enough but not at the moment i
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will just reiterate what would you were
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saying earlier though that even if it is
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not my intention to make business
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connections that doing this kind
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stuff in the past has has definitely
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resulted in business opportunities like
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the very first conference of this that I
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ever went to was this conference
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organized by Henry of minutephysics
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called brainstem at the perimeter
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institute in canada and for various
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reasons i was trying to leave my
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teaching job at the exact same time at
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that conference was happening it was
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just like this horrible horrible
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disaster of like a difficult time to to
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get to Canada for that conference it was
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there was a incredible nightmare but I
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was determined I was determined to get
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there and I still really think that that
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might be one of the most defining
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conferences i ever go to because it was
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the first time that I met a bunch of
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people who are now professional
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colleagues and friends and like I'm
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absolutely sure that if i had never gone
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to that brain stem conference I would
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never have started the hell original
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podcast with Brady because that was the
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first time that I met him and because I
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met him then when I met him again at
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later conferences that YouTube put on
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now we were meeting for the first time
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we were already meeting as friends right
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and starting a little bit earlier makes
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a difference and I also think that like
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the random acts of intelligence show
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that happened a couple years ago now
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that would have never been put on if the
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five of us hadn't met at brainstem as so
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like and those are definitely cases of
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getting to know people and then thinking
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hey maybe we can work together on a
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podcast or hey that you know the five of
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us really get along together maybe we
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could do some kind of fun one-off show
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you you never know where it's going to
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go and like you said you know I our own
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podcast was just a side effect of me
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reaching out to you
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mainly because like oh look it's another
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Creator who lives in London like let me
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send him a message because I don't know
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anybody else who lives in the city you
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know they're like oh surprise surprise
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like we we do similar work and so we get
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along and then and then eventually you
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know you pitch me on a podcasting and
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and here we are so whilst it may have
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been exhausting and crazy and huge and
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unwieldy Lee who you probably have made
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you like to talk about our old friend
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Evernote now I don't know if and
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whenever know has ever come up on the
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show but I know that we have both been
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Evernote users for a long time
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mm like I'm gonna hazard a guess to say
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that seriously i think i may have had a
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never ever no account for about 10 years
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yeah and I know that sounds that sounds
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like an incredibly long time but I think
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I really have
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it's getting if not then it's about
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eight you know it's getting close to 10
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years if not already ten years because I
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got in pretty much immediately for when
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they launched em the reason that you're
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bringing this up right now is because in
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the document for quite awhile i have had
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a little bullet point which was simply
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called fuck Evernote has is an item to
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talk about so many people that I know
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that use Evernote have in some way that
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feel like
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yeah and that probably come to the fact
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that it's a ten-year-old product
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yeah i think there's as many as many
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complicated things that are are wrapped
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up here but I i have just heard
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incidentally that Evernote has done some
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pricing changes and so I feel like if we
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were ever going to get to this bullet
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point maybe this week is the week so the
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first thing is I I would actually like
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it if you could summarize for me in a
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clear and concise way what changes have
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just occurred Evernote because i cannot
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figure out for the life of me what's
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happening
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I think you've lost the wrong person
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icon work it out Eva basically they've
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increased their pricing plans so they're
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more expensive than they were before and
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the free plan i think only works with
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two devices now and if you got want to
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use more than two devices you have to go
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to now one of the two paid plan plus and
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premium
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man and I think it's confusing very
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confusing and I know as a current event
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a premium customer they have not
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contacted me to tell me what's happening
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to my account if I'm gonna be paying
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more it seems like i probably will be
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paying more and then they just have to
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kind of accounts that have some
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different features and different storage
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space so it's so clear so simple Mike
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yeah I try honestly this is clearly
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suppose I can make it basically
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evernotes more expensive and for free
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accounts they're restricting the amount
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of devices you can use that's like in a
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nutshell but there's a lot of nuance to
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it which is making the whole thing a bit
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of a nightmare
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yeah it's a it's a bit confusing even
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just just reading through the the
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description of what they've changed on
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the website it's like oh okay you've
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raised the prices but with only one of
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the plans can you search inside of
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documents like isn't this the whole
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thing of which services like okay but
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right now I need to have the most
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expensive one to do that it just seems
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like I've seen a lot of people who are
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super angry at Evernote about this
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yeah i think the OCR is only on premium
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now but like the expensive one
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and if you want to download notes you
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have to have one of the paid ones is all
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it basically they had a feature set that
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was available to everyone and then they
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split it and then they split it again
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and then devices all right so then your
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product and sometimes it feels ten years
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old now this pricing thing is
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interesting because i think many people
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have had a feeling from the outside of
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what's going on Evernote the company has
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gone through some weird announcements
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over the past year if i remember
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correctly like what the CEO changed then
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they laid off a bunch of people I feel
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like I've been just been hearing odd
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news about Evernote for a year yeah yeah
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which makes you feel not super secure
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out a product that is supposed to be
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keeping your off-board brain safe and
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synchronized and and searchable
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everywhere and it doesn't it doesn't
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make you feel good and it's also a
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company that seems to have been very
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very slow at making any kind of
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significant changes that that people
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want actually when we were in San
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Francisco we ended up driving past the
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headquarters of Evernote at 1.44 we were
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looking at the building and also get the
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most needed work chat
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yeah i believe i believe someone might
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have suggested to write do you know
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about work chat on a brick and really
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know which is kind of the feeling about
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how intrusive Evernote is about letting
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you know if they have worked at how many
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times do I have to close this
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notification why don't you just throw a
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brick through my window at this point
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but when we drove past it as with other
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companies but particularly with Evernote
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I looked at this huge building and again
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had the feeling of what to all of the
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people in there do i just i have no
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ability to understand how a building
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full of people equals the product that
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is Evernote and i will now tell you the
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reason why I originally had that bullet
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point listed as it is in the show notes
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because ok here is the selling point of
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Evernote save everything in this digital
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brain write this this little app can
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just serve as your memory
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this is what all of their branding and
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marketing is about the elephant never
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forgets right there icon is an elephant
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elephants never forget right this is
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this is fantastic okay great so i've
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been using everyone for a very very long
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time as you have and you saw a little
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while ago for one of our book club
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episodes that i have a system that I use
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with Evernote to make a record of all of
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the books that i read so here's a little
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no that I've had for quite a while i
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read a book now I'm reading it on ibooks
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formerly on kindle but it's the same
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idea and so I make a bunch of highlights
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as i go through the book and sometimes I
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type little notes to myself it's you
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know active reading and just pulling out
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the parts that i think are important or
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that are interesting at the end of
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reading any particular book i take
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screenshots of all of the pages with
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highlights or notes on them and then I
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would make in Evernote a folder with the
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name of the book and I would dump all of
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those pages in there sometimes I would
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go through again and make like further
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annotations to future me and this is an
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extremely useful thing to do because
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like when we do the book shows for
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example i'm able to just pull up out
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here is all the pages from the book so
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i'm looking at only the relevant
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sections and the notes to myself and
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also super valuable is because Evernote
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does all this optical character
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recognition i can search through all of
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that stuff and what's really useful is
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that you can't possibly remember
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everything from ever every book that
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you've ever read but if i'm doing a
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video on some topic i can search for a
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couple of keywords related to that video
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topic and sometimes I would find a page
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of text from a book i read a while ago
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that had something interesting that was
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related to the topic that I'm working on
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now so it's it's this it has been this
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way for me for years to keep books that
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i have read in active memory and this is
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along with all of the other various
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notes and things that I'm just
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collecting regularly for videos and
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stuff so this is the process that I've
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been doing for quite a while and I
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really really deep into Evernote with
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this as you can quite imagine now about
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two months ago which is when i first put
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this bullet point in the document i went
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to go follow my little process as normal
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and i had finished a book I taken all
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the screenshots I thought okay great
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here we go time to make a new notebook
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and a time to save these pages into it
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and I press the press the new notebook
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button haha that's funny
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nothing happens nothing happens when I
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press the new notebook button so i tried
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on a different device press the new
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notebook button nothing happens huh
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how interesting i opened up alternate
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which is that lovely additional
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interface to evernote and the new
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notebook button is grayed out I can't
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even click it
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well sure enough they only allow you to
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servers you have monthly revenue
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your selling point but no somewhere in
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summer Rae some dude was like that
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250 that's enough hard-coded limit right
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and it's not even like 256 or something
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so like oh maybe i'm running into a bug
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that nobody just considered but they ran
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out of space in there integer now
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someone just decided there's 250 and
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even better
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okay even better Mike I'm googling
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around this like I cannot believe this
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but then I find out there is a solution
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don't worry don't worry you can archive
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some of your notebooks to get back space
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so I know you can take a whole section
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you can archive a bunch of notebooks
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oh that sounds great what happens when I
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archive a notebook
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oh don't worry it's still there it just
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won't show up in search and it won't
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sync on anything
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great thanks so how do you get it you
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can manually go to like an archive
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section to manually go look through
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everything but i will remind you the
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whole purpose of the way you store
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things in Evernote is to be able to
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search for things not to be able to
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rise everything an absolutely perfect
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way and it's just like you know i I've
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been feeling of been feeling vaguely
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irritated with a whole bunch of minor
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things in Evernote for a very long time
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not least of which is how awful their
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app is to use on ipad but I've been
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living with it forever because of the ok
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well there's there's just this debt that
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I have but like Evernote is one of the
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only remaining programs where I will
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prefer to use it on the computer simply
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because using on the ipad is so awful
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but again it's like it's a building full
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of people like why haven't you been able
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to update your ipad app to be usable on
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I don't know an ipad for anyone who's
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ever used this for 10 seconds like has
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anybody ever used this program on an
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iPad Evernote what are you doing with
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those hundreds of people or whatever
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it's it's so infuriating but I've been
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living with all of this stuff for a
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while just kind of like girl I whatever
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Evernote but you got me because I have
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literally over 3,000 individual notes in
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Evernote and there really is nobody else
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to tell us what they do in the way that
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won't do it
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yeah I've been living with it for ages
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like you have a hard-coded limits that i
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have just run up against and there is
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nothing that I can do thanks a lot into
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it feels like it's just a gigantic
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middle finger for being a user over a
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long period of time like that that's
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that's just what it feels like a guess
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what when your when your technical debt
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is is too high
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like when you're just when you're into
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this far far too much and there's no
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turning back
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we're going to show you that we have an
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arbitrary limit for no good reason look
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great thanks thanks Evernote really
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appreciate that one so frustrating
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so what are you gonna do I don't know
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what I'm gonna do
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I mean if the answer is for the past
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couple months I've been just kind of
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like not saving notes because i don't i
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don't have a good solution right but
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this is not a good solution either I i
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have i have tried to look into some of
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the alternatives and the only one which
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even comes remotely close to being able
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to replace Evernote is Microsoft's one
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note that this is the only program out
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there that is sort of close to being
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able to do whatever no does right yeah
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because they do OCR
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aldo name that was my main things like
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do they do OCR because the OCR is a
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totally killer feature OCR is the
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optical character recognition so i can
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save an image like for example a
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screenshot of a bunch of texts from a
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book or i can I have tons of like
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infographics and just a huge number of
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images that i can save and when I search
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for stuff
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OCR the optical character recognition
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will recognize those actual words and i
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have to say evernotes OCR is very
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impressive again is pulled up stuff in
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the back of photos that I would never
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notice would like there's a little thing
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written on a sign or something like it's
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it's very very good
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it's also why okay great i can rely on
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this and so for a while I don't think
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microsoft onenote had a majority are but
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they have added since I checked last but
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the problem with OneNote is their whole
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structure right there whole layout is is
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not dislike their hierarchy is basically
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you can have a notebook and that
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notebook can have a bunch of tabs in it
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as opposed to evernote which allows you
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to have like an arbitrary number of
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hierarchical notebooks
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so you can have a notebook that contains
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a hundred notebooks and so for example
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like i have a notebook which is just
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called book notes and within that are a
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bunch of other notebooks each for each
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individual book but the OneNote metaphor
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is much more like you you have a
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notebook and that notebook has a bunch
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of tabs on the top kind of like you're
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going to have browser windows and let me
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tell you tabs on the top does not scale
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when you want to have a hundred of them
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i clearly in one notes design conception
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they were kind of thinking that no
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notebook will ever have more than a you
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know maybe half a dozen tabs in it it's
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just not designed to work like that so
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OneNote is just stay
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structurally unacceptable plus their
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icon is so Microsoft and purple it's
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really here sorry 10 teams it's really
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ugly had that they have an interesting
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design language do you think some of the
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structural stuff is just because you're
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too baked in your mind to the way of
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networks i have been trying to think
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about how to make this work and I am i
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am not in any way devoted to the way
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Evernote lays stuff out
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it is simply a question of how can I
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have a way that sorts of things like I
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want to corral all of my book notes into
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a separate section but also be able to
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access any of them at any point in time
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and I want to be able to group all of my
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projects in process together like in one
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little place and I want to group
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together all of my future projects
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together all in one place I when you
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have a large number of notebooks and I
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don't see any way around that you need
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some structure that is on top of like
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the notebook level you need to be able
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to group them together in a reasonable
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way but the thing is i I just I i think
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what is going to have to happen is that
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I'm just going to have to move over to
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OneNote and just deal with it as best I
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can because my current situation of
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presenting Evernote but still being a
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premium user is the worst of everything
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it's like shaking my fist at Evernote
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not using it but i'm still paying for
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their service and like now they've done
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a price increase so potentially paying
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more like well this is dumb like one of
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these things has to give and self I
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actual plan is Microsoft's does have a
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little program that will let you import
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an Evernote database but of course it
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only runs on a windows computer they
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didn't make one for Mac thanks guys
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so I was thinking well i guess i don't
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know how i'm going to use this and then
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I remembered oh my father has a windows
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computer so i think when I visit my
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family for part two this summer just
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can't go on to my dads
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computer install my Evernote let it
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download all 3,000 notes install one
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note and then my dad's windows laptop
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run this program which should be able to
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import everything from Evernote in 21
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notes like I think that's I think that's
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just what's going to have to happen
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because i can't i can't think of any
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other tool or or solution for this so
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this doesn't necessarily help with this
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problem but it is just worth noting
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apples notes app on the Mac will import
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Evernote database
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well it interesting out I'm too scared
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to do this because I have literally no
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idea what will happen but yeah let's do
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a flat hierarchy of folders it doesn't
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like folders and folders just like what
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are you gonna do with the notebooks and
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notebooks importer it's interesting
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interesting thing to find out exactly
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what I don't want any part of it but it
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will do it i'm feeling like i want to
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move away from Evernote now as well this
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isn't like a wake up for me or it's like
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I use it for just one thing and I don't
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even really need to do that anymore
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basically i use Evernote now for travel
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stuff so when i get the emails of
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confirmation things I send them to
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evernote and I know that there are a
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bunch of apps that are specifically
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built for this purpose stuff like trip
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and things like that but ever know it's
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just been always what I use because it's
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so simple and i know i can have
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everything downloaded and it's there and
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i've used in forever
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who but for my next upcoming trip to
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memphis I'm trying out something
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different and hoping that it will be the
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a better solution for me I'm basically
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just using Apple notes so i have been
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previously more recently writing out
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just a simple text note with some
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information in it like basic flight
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information and confirmation numbers
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hotel addresses like that so that's just
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there when I need it but what I have
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realized i can do from Stephen on
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connected recommend this to me i
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completely forgot you could do this is
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save pdfs into apple notes so now when i
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get confirmation emails of trips and
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hotel bookings
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stuff like that i use my email
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application a man which can take an
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email and turn it into a PDF and then i
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just opened up in apple notes and append
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it to the travel note that i started so
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now i have a note which has all of the
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basic text information and a bunch of
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pdfs down at the bottom and I think this
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is probably going to be the solution for
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me going forward i'm going to try out
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one trip if it works flawlessly is like
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pretty much expected well I'm i think i
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might just download my evident
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information and then kind of cancel my
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premium plan
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a similar situation to you where the
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price raised in Evernote reminds them
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that they basically don't use Evernote
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yeah it does you might as well cancel it
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keep track of a single thing that like
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that's just when a company does
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that presumption is they need more money
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raising the prices and and that to me
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just it seems to be adding to the
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company and then also still needing more
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money and now with with the somewhat
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confusing upgrade structure i wouldn't
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be surprised if Evernote finds itself
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fewer paying customers and fewer revenue
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wondering what's going to happen on iOS
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heard anything about these this price
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change but sooner or later something's
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improvements that Apple has made two
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very minimal way I can tell it it's way
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the Evernote user that couldn't get away
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very few people and when facing the
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enough for almost everybody who probably
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use Evernote yep and and so that that to
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to the ground anyway right it's useless
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self-employed person later right
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where you're going to need to go back
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more palatable right like you left to do
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that you do that I think that's ok but
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bad idea
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this is directly proportional to just
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how in demand is your job right just how
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in demand is your particular set of
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thought no good can come of this and I
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just kept my mouth shut about everything
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that I was doing on the side was like
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what are you doing this weekend oh
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nothing i guess i said i think i said is
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no showing the past my mouth would have
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been shot but I got the job in marketing
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because I proved that I was able to do
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something creative like I had no choice
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you you were leveraging it was a
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different situation right you were you
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were leveraging it to advance your
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career that's different whereas I think
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to most employers excited projects
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unless like in your situation they can
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see how it would directly benefit them
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they're not gonna want to hear not this
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because it is splitting up you're
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working brain
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yeah it's letting up you're working
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brain they're not going to like it and
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like guide ghost is doing as well if
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you're if you're really serious about it
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do it before you go to your actual just
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got up which again is what i did like
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things that I really cared about it like
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oh I get some off to work now
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oh yeah after I've given up the best
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part of my brain that's why i never
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understood the morning part it doesn't
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make the like working on this stuff in
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the mornings never made sense to me why
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you did it why ghost did it because you
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don't you have a hard stop time like
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with the way i did it i will just work
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into my body shut down and that could be
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many hours I don't work for me
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yeah this is this is again the
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difference between people and when their
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optimal work times are right and and and
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figuring that out
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butBut so to get back to the main point
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i think that i was able to be a bit more
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vague about precisely what i had been
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doing during that time I mean that and I
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also liked the story happened to work
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out very well which was i was spending
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time with family in Hawaii since I guess
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what people don't really question that
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right because everybody's like oh man if
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I could live in Hawaii for a long time I
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totally working you dude
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yeah exactly right like school before
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were you doing then go spend time with
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family like not working really hard to
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make sure i wasn't in this exact
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position now where are we interviewing
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for a job here i am
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yeah exactly it's probably exactly like
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what I failed in my endeavors and so
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this is why we're having this
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conversation that you don't put that on
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the resume this is not a good thing to
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do but I I again I think people were not
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super inquisitive because my job was a
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physics teacher right and if they're
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sick this one thing that's great about
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being a physics teacher is that the job
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is in incredible demand and so I at any
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interview I was a sound especially able
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to get a job as long as i did a pretty
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good job on the actual interview itself
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so it was just like it was kind of a
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no-brainer
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unless you walk out on a completely
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vague and shady about wanting to work in
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a place right that's the only time it
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would come back to bite you right yeah
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when you're being an idiot who doesn't
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know what's happening got this is the
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good guy got to think about it more on
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past me
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but anyway so like I think that this is
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my feeling with guide ghosts here is
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there's two there's two things here one
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of which is is we don't know the details
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about what the side project is but I
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find it's a little concerning to me that
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whatever it is is not already earning
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yeah if it's not making money but you
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think it can after a few months of work
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before making a decision like this i
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would recommend that you burn the candle
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at both ends and make a little bit of
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money first because if you can't make a
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little bit of money when you're
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completely overworking yourself
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unfortunately
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I would be surprised that you would make
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any money if you put all your time into
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it like what is this thing that you
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believe will take a couple of months and
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then you'll be golden
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I don't know about that ya know I no
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idea i mean it's possible that it's a
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thing ok let's just say it's possible to
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things like developing an app for
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example right that you can put up on the
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store until until it is done
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however however if it's if it's
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something like that i really do think
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that the the business idea of a minimum
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viable product is something to seriously
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consider here
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yeah and it's like what is the smallest
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version of this thing that someone might
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give you some money for and if if
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there's no if there's no version of that
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ultimately this to me feels like a hell
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of a gamble and so what when I left
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teaching the first time to attempt to
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spin up one of my older projects which
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which didn't work i was already making a
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decent amount of money from the project
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before I quit teaching the first time
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and the only question was can I spin
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this up into a full-time living over the
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next many months the answer to that
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turned out to be no this is very very
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frustrating perhaps one of the most
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frustrating periods in my life but at
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the very least I had an indication that
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there is some level of market demand for
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the thing that I'm doing and the only
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question is can I just triple this in
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size which i think is a very very
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different question from I have no income
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from this thing now can i make it into a
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full time living in the space of of
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several months the other thing that is a
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little bit concerning is I don't know
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what the intended schedule here is but
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if I mean what my gut feeling here is it
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would be better to take a a longer break
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than to take a series of
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long ish but inconvenient breaks to
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employers I i don't know if it is
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practical to try to save up enough to
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say have a six-month break instead of
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doing to three-month breaks I i don't i
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don't know if that is possible given the
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situation but i think that to the main
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question about how many times can you do
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this before employers start to worry
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the best way to mitigate that to me
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would would seem to be try to take a
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longer break and and then come back to a
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job that is in high demand instead of
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switching employers more frequently for
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shorter breaks again it's a it's a
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little difficult to provide advice
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without specifics about what is the job
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because I could see some jobs where it
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wouldn't matter so much but i'm i'm
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presuming that all employers would like
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you say not like a series of breaks
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after quitting jobs after eight months
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to then not work three months or or
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something along those lines because one
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of the things if you're working in a
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team and the person who runs that team
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that manages you they don't care feel
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loyal to the company right in most
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instances if it's a big company going to
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work for but they just don't want to
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have to go through this hiring process
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again in seven or eight months time egg
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exactly speaking as someone going
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through the hiring process of course you
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i would like to do it as little as
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possible
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what sort of the idea of loyalty is
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sometimes just loyal to the team right
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and you know you're not going to leave
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the manager in the lunch after six or
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seven months because you've you've
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really got to go out and work on your
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passion project for a while which leads
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me to ask the question of guide ghost
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wouldn't it be better to just try and do
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contract work rather than getting for
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time positions and companies
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yeah that's an excellent point that if
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there is a version of this work which is
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contractible that seems like the way
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better option as well so like my advice
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would be Paul's the passion project spin
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up a contracting business find some
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contracting work and then you will be
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ready to set your own schedule for as
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you want that's what I think this person
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should do i would say that my primary
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feeling still is try to make any amount
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of money even if it is small with the
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side project before doing anything else
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oh yeah you go to do that before you do
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anything else you need to know that what
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you're doing is something of a people
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want like I'm sure you believe it's a
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good idea i'm sure it's a good idea but
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it doesn't mean people want to or need
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yeah and there there's an interesting
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feeling which is earning some money from
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a thing that you have done for the first
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time even if it is a trivial amount of
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money it is i put that but that simple
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barrier to get over that a person
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somewhere has handed you dollars for a
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thing like that is a a bigger barrier
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than you might think it is and it's also
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just such a great confirmation for you
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that yes like somewhere in the market a
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person has value for this because as
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much as you you might want to just ask
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people you can't really trust people's
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answers if you're just asking them if
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these if you say what do you think about
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this thing people just want to be polite
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and nice and they'll say oh yeah that
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sounds like a great idea or if you ask
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them would you buy this thing people
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will say sure of course I'll buy that
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thing but if you followed up with
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immediately with will you give me five
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dollars for this thing right now you'd
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be surprised like people will just
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change immediately
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oh no i won't actually keep you money
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for now I was just saying that to be
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nice and so I think that's partly why
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it's very important to learn something
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from the side project first as as a test
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and as a confirmation that you are on
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the right path the absolute amount
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doesn't matter but just getting
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something from someone who doesn't know
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you really does
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good luck to you good luck ghost guide
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good luck and i have to say Mike
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mhm that was a good question are you are
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happy to have that was it wasn't it was
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there was a lot to it but i think it was
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worth it in is like I I think so as well
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long thing but someone someone was
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laying out their situation and it was a
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so it was worth it so i give you I'll
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to help with some advice I would say
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just write it up
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tweet at me with the hashtag ask attacks
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and we'll see them they go into a
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reddit you can do that tag me in it and
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anyway we're gonna mention your username
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there you go mention my username on the
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redder and a look at you maybe get your
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question on the show we're helping
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yes it maybe it's time for our second
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spin-off sure care tex we're helping
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limits are my cat named stuff
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