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00:00:00 ◼   ► so great when we knew that we were going [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► to be in san francisco together i was [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► thinking how interesting it would be to [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► record cortex in person especially when [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► you put it on the calendar and I was [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► like the whole look at this going to be [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► in san francisco it's gonna be a new [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► experience like recording in the same [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► room we've never done that before so [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► here we are we're in san francisco both [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► in the same hotel recording the show but [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► can you tell people where you are right [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► now i am in my hotel room talking to you [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► in your hotel room [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► yeah this is the way podcast were meant [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► to be Mike it never occurred to me that [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► would be recording in person this is how [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► I always envisioned this moment we like [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► in the same building and we're talking [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► on skype just this is so inefficient [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► know but this is perfectly efficient you [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► shouldn't do a podcast while looking at [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► your podcast and co-host I feel very [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► strongly about this [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► you should only ever hear them because [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► the audience only ever hears them and [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► also it's super weird to record podcast [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► person I would be so uncomfortable if i [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► was looking in your little Mike eyeballs [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► right now and trying to record a show I [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► don't think I could do it I feel like [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► you need to be starting the show by [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► going like live from san francisco it's [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► mike and gray it's the mic and gray [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► variety hour [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► yeah even though we are in the same [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► hotel room it does still feel different [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► somehow I don't know how but it does but [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► I mean maybe it's different because I [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► had to see you five minutes ago to grab [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► your ipad to tether to do the show in [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the first place and it was a little [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► weird seeing you in person doing the [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► show but yes it does feel different a [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► hundred percent of everything is [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► different i'm not using the right [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► computer i'm not using any of my own [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► equipment [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► mmm i'm recording in front of a mirror [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► which is really uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► I've never recorded a podcast in front [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► of a mirror before but I'm doing that [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► right now just imagine that mirror was [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► me and how much more uncomfortable would [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► you be that's why this is the right way [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► to do this right now okay that makes [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► sense but we did actually record [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► something in person to make a couple of [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► days ago to record this we recorded the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► first annual Relay khan in person [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► a little surprised we kept it we kept it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► secret until the last moment that i was [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► going to be showing up at the end and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► say hello to everybody that was actually [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► a lot of fun right because you're at [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► we we made each other on sunday or [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► saturday and we kind of had to keep you [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► a secret in san francisco until monday [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► night which even included because we had [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a an event we had an audience of people [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► that has people coming in I asked you to [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► not speak let's go talk to anybody [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► should give the game away [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► yeah it was funny it was a funny [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► experience in the preparation for the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► show because obviously you and Stephen [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► were doing all of the set up by getting [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the stage ready and you have everybody [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► there and I'm there because i want to [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► see the environment where what it's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► going to look like how is the stage [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► going to be set up you need to be there [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► in advance for one of these events but [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► then as people started trickling in [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► when I was just in what was a very [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► natural role decided to play the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► antisocial nerd and just stand in a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► corner and look at my phone for the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► entirety of the pre preparation [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► everybody's coming in the room part of [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► the show and it's like great this is [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► this is the perfect camouflage I'm just [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► gonna stand here we look at my phone i'm [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► going to go over the notes for what [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► we're going to do onstage and hopefully [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► no one will come up and talk to me which [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► is exactly what happened so perfect [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► camouflage yeah what were you well and [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► this section that we turn the stage [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► never was really fun enjoy it a lot you [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► can make great gifts which was [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► terrifying for me [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► yes for people who were not there in [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► person the one thing that i think the [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► the live viewers were able to see that i [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► was able to see the best that was my [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► absolute favorite was the terror in [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► Mike's eyes of having a uncontrollable [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► cgpgrey onstage [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► thank you they were quite a few times [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► when I would start to say something and [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► I feel like you suddenly realize this is [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► live [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► you can't you can't do anything now and [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► you didn't know what was going to happen [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► I would like start to tell the story and [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► I could see in your eyes like what is he [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► going to say and then I was a little bit [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► mean because I thought you didn't know [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► that was going to bring you a little [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► gift [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► no I thought oh I know what I'll do with [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► Mike when I come on stage I will have it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► in my hand and I will place it on the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► table right in between the two of us and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► point to it to make sure that you can [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► see what it is and you went to go [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► about and I was like no the mystery [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► boxes for later when this is all often [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► microphone and remember you're kinda [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► just like don't look at that now leave [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► it there [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► I like always in this box Luke I didn't [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► I didn't for one moment expect it was a [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► gift i just didn't know what it was it [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► was off microphone but I just it was a [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► little bit me if I didn't want to kind [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► of plant the idea in your head like oh [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► there's a mystery pox on the table [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► what's in the mystery box like what's in [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the box man right you'll find out later [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► you'll find out at the end and what was [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► in the box like a wooden bow tie it was [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► the most beautiful hipster bowtie yeah I [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► had ever seen and i thought i had to get [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► it for you [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► well the best moment is when I realized [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it was made of wood because I opened the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► box and just thought it was a nice bow [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► tie [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► mhm and as I can't think you picked it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► up and screamed I think laughter when I [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► thought it was made of wood and I put it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► on and I wore it for the rest of the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► evening and was worried that I was going [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► to slash my jugular with it every now [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► and then I would move my head and I [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► would feel and think raised against my [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► neck was like oh hello [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► no but isn't this the epitome of fashion [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► Mike that something is supposed to look [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► fabulous but be terrifyingly [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► uncomfortable isn't that what high [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► fashion is and you look very fashionable [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► it's kind of like the macbook adorable [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► right like it looks fabulous but there [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► is just so much terror when using kiss [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► the battery runs out or I will not let [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► you besmirched the reputation of the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► macbook adorable like that i've been [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► using it for whatever it is it's almost [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► two weeks now since the last time we [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► spoke about it i absolutely love this [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► machine i'm using it right now and i'm [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► sure you will be happy to know that for [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► the bargain basement price of eighty [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► dollars i was able to get an adapter [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► allows me to plug in the power and the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► microphone at the same time the total [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► steal at the same time the great buys [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► that adapter he tries to convince me to [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► buy a macbook mhm and you got close man [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► I mean I've like them for a while but [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► when I had to put this macbook pro in my [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► bag travel here who [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► oh it was like carrying 20 computers [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► that was a long time ago it's this brick [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► of obligation [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► it just it just feels heavy it's huge [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► it's this thing that you have to carry [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and I'm feeling really smug about myself [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► because everyone was saying all this [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► gonna be new computers at WWDC and they [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► weren't so I don't even even better [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► decision to get my little netbook [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► adorable [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► yeah i wish i would have had the great [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► approach so I would have done it [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► beforehand because there's no point [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► there's no point buying it now Sandra [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► bring into computers home that I would [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► kind of suck everything should be more [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► great great ideas don't come along very [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► often and this is especially true if the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► idea that you've had results and you [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► wanting to sell something [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► what you've had that great idea you need [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► somewhere to actually sell it online [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that once you finally got around to [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► getting that online store set up just [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► the way that you want you'll need to get [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► the perfect domain name for it and [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► finding that perfect domain is [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► ridiculously easy with however however [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► makes it so simple to find that unique [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► and relevant domain name they have over [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► 400 domain extensions to enjoy me with [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► like the perfectly just launched dot [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► store which is the very best way to tell [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► people to tell the world that your [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► website is where they should be going to [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► spend their money on your new and [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► amazing thing this domain extension is [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► an excellent way to get your store to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► stand now head and shoulders above the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► rest if you're looking to sell anything [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► online this new option is an absolute [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► no-brainer and should be the first up [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► you make on the road to launching your [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► idea to the world makes it super simple [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► to help get your new domain setup with [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► your online store that you've just [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► created and will provide you with the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► tools you need to connect that domain in [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► just a few clicks you've already done [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► all the hard work you've come up with [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the idea you've got the thing that you [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► want to sell you been working on it for [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► so long that however take care of all [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► this mess for you just go to Harvard [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► calm and use the promo code travel check [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► out to save ten percent of your first [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► purchase they have tons of a domain [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► options as well go check them out thank [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you so much to hover for their support [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► of this show so the relay conivent room [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► was it was an interesting setup and it [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► was it was different for both of us I [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► think for you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► I guess this word maybe the first [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► podcast you ever done where what was [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► said just was released [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean that that was a strange [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► thing for me [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► guys 444 listeners who have never done [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► something like a podcast there that when [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► you are speaking and aware that a thing [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► is going to be recorded you can just [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► talk in a different way than you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► normally do because you know for example [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► if you say something and you mess it up [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► you can just start again and you cut out [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► the part that was messed up and this [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► happens all the time on the podcast that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► idea where you Yusei thought and you go [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► oh wait i just love that look like [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► rerecord a line and do it again and it's [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► a better listening experience and I know [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► that you do a bunch of your shows live [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and speaking with people who do most of [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► their podcast live that they learn to [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► just talk in a different way than I am [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► on a podcast where they are aware that [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► it is live and kind and like focused on [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► that and I think there's a real [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► difference like these are two different [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► skills talking live on a podcast or [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► talking for a podcast that you know is [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► going to be edited and release later and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► that's one of the reasons why we don't [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► record cortex live for the listeners [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► whereas a bunch of relations like you [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► can listen to them live you can if you [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► want download the relay app and get [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► little notifications for when those [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► shows goes live and and listen to the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► men but we don't do that because I [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► prefer to talk for the recording but yes [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► this was different because i did not [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► like okay this is going out live right [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► now there are X number of people around [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► the world listening to it plus the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► people who were actually in the room and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► so that makes it a much more [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► high-pressure environment because you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► look like a total weirdo if you start to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► say a sentence and then you say oh I let [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► me start again and then you say the [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► sentence again you look like a broken [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► human being like what's wrong with that [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► guy making all that racket that strike [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► that from the record people who are into [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► it again and so doing it live is is much [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► more intense [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► luckily in my former life I was a [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► teacher which is like doing a whole [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► bunch of live presentations and i have [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► given other live talks on other topics [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► in my previous work and side projects so [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► I'm I'm used to that in [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► environment so for me it was just a [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► question of mode switching of this is a [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► presentation this is like standing up at [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► the front of the assembly hall in school [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and it's just a totally different mode [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► so my brain actually didn't treat that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► at all like i am recording a podcast [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► with Mike because I think I couldn't [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► have done that if I was thinking about [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► it as a podcast I had to think of it [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► more like I am doing a tiny presentation [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► and that's why we'll put it in the show [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► notes people can listen to the live real [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► icon recording but if you hear me [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► talking there I i think i saw a number [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► of comments from people saying that I [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► sound really different and the answer is [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► because its presentation mode and that's [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that is a skill you that you can learn [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► and it but it's a very very different [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► thing from what's happening that which [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► is I'm alone in a hotel room talking to [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► Mike was somewhere else like you spent [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► the majority of the time addressing the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► audience as opposed to talking to me [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► which was very different [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► yeah that was that was another one of [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► those things were sitting on stage I [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► could see that you you were having a bit [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► of the like who the hell is this guy [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► reaction I've never seen you move the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► way you were moving like your arms are [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► all over the place you are rocking back [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► and forth and your chair talking to the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► audience cracking jokes taking control [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► like what is this man who is this that I [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► don't know what you look like anymore [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► it's just somebody else they're rolling [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► off the street it was very difficult for [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► me there was like a moment where I was [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► like ah I need to change everything [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► about what I'm doing right because i had [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► a whole you know my boy I planned [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► everything out i had kind of set [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► questions for everyone which was a whole [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► big kettle of fish because i don't like [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► just a couple of hours to get everything [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► ready from like key note to show which [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► was uncomfortable for me but when we set [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► everything up and I was trying to be [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► like how am I gonna help great get [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► through this one you just took control [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► and remove it and I was like my job's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► easy i'll just screaming bowties is no [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► problem here ever that but that's why [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► that the live viewers got to see the [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► look in like sighs which I totally [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► terrace of like I'm losing control in [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► this situation I don't know it's [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► what about you but you point out that [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► like it's a little thing but you know if [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► anyone's ever onstage like I made a [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► conscious decision to do with thing [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► which was sit further from you than I [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► would if we were just talking to each [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► other and like a lunch it's like I'm [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► going to be further away from you and [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► then I intentionally there are some some [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► photos where you can you can see it but [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► i am basically like three-quarters of [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the way facing the audience and one [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► quarter of the way facing you and this [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► is what i mean by like you can learn [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► presentation skills if you do this a [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► bunch because it's it's a situation [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► where like Mike asks me a question and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► then I would turn to the audience to [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► talk and if you're ever on stage and you [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► do that kind of thing you can't help but [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► talk in like a louder more animated [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► voice when you're looking at a group of [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► people because your monkey brain is [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► aware [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► oh there's people waiting in the back [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► over there they can't they can't see you [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► very well and so you have to talk much [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► more loudly whereas if i SAT really [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► close to you and looks like right into [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► your eyes you know strated you you're [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► going to talk in a in a different way [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► like but that's just that's just like a [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► trick to get your monkey brain to act in [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► a certain way that it wouldn't naturally [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► do it now this is like the staging of of [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► an environment so is you know it's an [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► interesting experience [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► I not necessarily like a thing that I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► super like to do like live high-stakes [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► presentations but it is a it is a [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► totally like a learnable skill and it's [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► a thing that you can get better at with [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► with practice to enjoy it though [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► like was it I know I know it's difficult [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► it's difficult for me as well like [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► leading up to it i just felt terrible [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► right like i was just remember I'm [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► always like this of any kind of speaking [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► thing right until the moment where it [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► starts [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► I feel terrible and then one soon as it [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► begins on i'm good to go but overall [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► like I really enjoyed it and I'm very [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► happy that we did it and I'm [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► really happy that I was able to put the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► surprises in that i was able to be in [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► and structure the way to do it because i [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► think it made a really fun event for [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► people listening but did you actually [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► enjoy being a part of it against these [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► two separate things here [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► the first question is did I enjoy being [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► a part of real icon and the answer is [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► yes like it was fun to be there it was [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► it was fun to have a little secret and [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► then surprise for everybody i'm so [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► excited i think when you listen to the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► audio and I get to that final segment [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► you can hear me like so I'm like so [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► giddy at that point [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► yeah yeah you're like you're like a [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► little boy know something you don't know [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► yeah that's exactly what's happening [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► there so having the surprise and having [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► a little bit of a secret that was fun [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► and I also have to say that i am not a [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► super social person and this whole week [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► has been just incredibly draining in a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► variety of ways for me but again an [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► event like real Akon is a thing that I [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► can mentally prepare for and I can shift [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► into a different mode for and so there's [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► like the fun before getting ready for [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► the surprise and then on stage is a [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► totally different thing [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► this is this is like a moment of working [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► and like i said before it's it's a skill [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► that you can learn to get better at when [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► I used to be like a student in school [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► like in high school I would hate public [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► speaking and I i think a lot of people [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► probably have the experience that they [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► really really hate public speaking [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► because their last time they did it was [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► when they had to get up and give you a [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► book report or whatever it's cool again [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► it's not a fun environment does not it [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► was not an enjoyable experience having [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► to do that because I go it's cool [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► here's you have to give a presentation [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► on a bunch of busy work that matters to [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► nobody and nobody cares about not even [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► your classmates you know nobody's [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► interested you're not interested in the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► thing that you're talking about your [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► teacher quite frankly is only feigning [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► interest in whatever you're talking [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► none of your classmates care what you're [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► talking about like that experience that [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► most people have with public speaking is [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► just about the worst possible [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► environment to ever experience what [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► public speaking is like but i think it [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► most people's last memories of it and it [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► wasn't until I was in college and had to [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► start doing some presentations on [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► research material that i was working on [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► where it was oh I am now doing a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► presentation on a topic that is of [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► interest to me and then to people who [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► are in the same field where they are [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► interested in it and now that's a very [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► different experience and so the relay [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► thing falls into that event where the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► i'm giving a presentation and we're [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► talking about stuff that is of interest [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► to me we're talking about like apple [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► stuff and we're talking about [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► programming and developments in the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► Apple world and we're doing it in front [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► of an audience of people who have flown [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► from very far locations to be there [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► it's like that that situation is totally [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► different because the audience wants you [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► to do well and you're talking about a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► thing that is of interest to you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► so it's it's much much easier to do that [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► kind of thing than what most people [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► think of as public speaking so it's [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► still for me it's still high stakes and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► I often have this little bit of [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► experience like almost like it's a bit [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► of a blackout between stepping on stage [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► and stepping off stage like I really do [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► just mainly have the memory of Mike's [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► terrified eyes on stage and then when i [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► think about it now I'm really thinking [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► about having listened to the recording [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► so it's almost like i black out for a [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► little bit so it's hard to say that [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► being on stage is super fun but it's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► it's a different experience than what [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► most people probably thinking of his [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► public speaking but the thing that I [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► really did like then is a matte real [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► Akon I can prepare for this kind of [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► event where one giving a presentation [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► and then too I know that I'm going to [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► hang out afterwards and say hi to people [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► in the audience and and being prepared [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► for that like oh this is kind of great [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► I get offstage and i have to say is that [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the evening was me just kind of bouncing [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► from person to person and hearing a [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► similar thing over and over again which [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► was great which was people talking about [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► how listening to this show with us as I [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► they're motivated them to start [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► seriously working on side project [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► x or has helped them clarify their [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► thinking about prioritization in their [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► life or help them thinking through the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► reasons for doing stuff making [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► intentional decisions and so like that [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► what that was really great that was [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► really great to just bounce around for [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► people in there like you know I know one [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► guy come up to me and said he you know [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► he started to teach himself programming [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► entirely because of listening to the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► show because he just been like thinking [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► about it but then realized why don't I [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► just just start like this is a really [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► sensible way to spend a bunch of my time [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► you know and so that kind of thing is [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► really nice you feel like you're having [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► and an influence on people who are [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► hearing what you are saying and it's [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► nice to hear that kind of thing for me [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► in person in an environment where i am [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► prepared for it like people are going to [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► come up to me and they're going to say [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► hi and then I come ready to have little [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► conversations with people so it was it [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► was fun it was it was enjoyable [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► yeah i'm bringing please you did it and [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► even for just that after part working [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► people can come up and say the shows [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► that I like and what they like about [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► lumen i love to talk to people about [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► this sort of stuff is just nice to be in [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► a place where you have people telling [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you that they enjoy your work and it [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► makes a difference and I've heard people [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► say to us this to me about context we [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► did a meet up in London before we came [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► out to san francisco and i met if you go [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► there as well he was saying same to the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► simple things like cortex isn't Leo [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► inspired me to do the right project that [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► i wanted to do stuff like that and it's [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► really nice to hear that and it's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► especially nice to hear that stuff when [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► you can see someone's face was just [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► saying it to you [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► yeah i agree it's it's the different [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► kind of feedback then it is getting an [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► email or or seeing comments on on [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► Twitter [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► yep it's just different when you're [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► shaking the hand of the guy who's really [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► happy that a thing in his life is [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► different now it's just it's a it's a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► different experience to have that and [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► like you say this you know I've never [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► been out to WWDC for like this whole [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► week in addition to even just the real [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► Akon part of it has that characteristic [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► of what you were just saying of there's [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► this unique feeling when you have [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► but group of people who are together who [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► are all sharing the same or similar [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► interests you know it's it's it's just [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► different and so I feel like at that [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► relay conivent it was not a bar full of [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► strangers like it's it's a room full of [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► people and everyone in that room knows [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► they can have a starting point for [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► conversation with any other person in [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that room right you can just say hey [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► well you know what are your favorite [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► shows what do you like to listen to or [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you know what did you think about the [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► event today and apple like everyone in [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that room can just start a conversation [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► with somebody else and you know you have [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► a like a commonality and that's that's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► really nice [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► I think packs of monkeys they really [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► liked that they really need that this [TS]

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00:24:56 ◼   ► cortex and all of real afm so was here [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► we have been engaging in a bunch of [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► activities and a lot of those have been [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► visits to places and one of the places [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► that we visited was facebook [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► yeah hold on it's almost like you're [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► Mike because I just want to listen to [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► understand what I was sold on coming to [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► San Francisco next week and what I [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► received because yeah you know you know [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► there Mike a long time ago Mike [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► convinced me to book a hotel room in San [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Francisco with the possibility of coming [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► out for real akon & wwc back when this [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► was more just like a glimmer in Mike's [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► eyes he wanted me to just put but the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► reservation in the hotel room just so I [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► had it just in case [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► so I did it was fine and since that [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► point until right before the event might [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► kept telling me this line of all hey [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► buddy listen [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► come on out gonna be really easy there's [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► there's nothing to do during the days [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► you're going to have the whole of the [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► days to yourself huh really relaxed yep [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► and you know maybe that's just like an [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► event in the evening but there's nothing [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► to do all day long and so I had this [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► vision of my trip as i'm going to come [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► out here and we're going to get up in [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the morning i'm going to do my usual [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► little routine and I'm going to find a [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► lovely cafe somewhere gonna go gonna do [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► some writing gonna come back to the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► hotel i'll change into my exercise [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► outfit i'm going to go for a run along [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► the bay i'll come back shower relax get [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► lunch spend the afternoon reading you [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► know and then maybe in the evening [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► there's some dinner i'm going to go to [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► and this is going to be my time in San [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► Francisco [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► no no that is not [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► what happened at all in my defense area [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► in between so this i thought this is [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► your doing not mine in this is now this [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► is your doing what you're doing in we [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► can listen to the side here in between [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► me saying that to you and us being here [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► now you said to me you can manage my [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► calendar [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► yeah but I thought I vaguely thought [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► that this was what the evening things [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► would be is like oh my you couldn't [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► manage my calendar also some daytime [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► stuff and you know what like we're going [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► to talk about our visit to facebook and [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► then at the end of this discussion again [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► listen that can decide whatever this for [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► something that you are happy you did or [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► not but you said to me you look after my [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► calendar you invite me to all other [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► things and I did that I just I just [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► invite you to things they went in your [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► calendar [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► you know you didn't have to do them you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► live your own life and I just need some [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► suggestions [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► now I understand I understand but it's [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► one of these things where it's like [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► little drip drip drip like for the past [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► whatever it is three months I feel like [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► slowly piece by piece stuff has been [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► showing up on my calendar like Oh Mike [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► invited to this event Mike invited to [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► this event i just kind of accepted them [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► and it wasn't until we were here that I [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► realized what actually was going to [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► occur which is everyday essentially from [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► the moment I wake up until the moment I [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► sleep there is something to do [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► yeah quite frankly there was more on my [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► calendar by the end of this week than [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► expected there would be like I was [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► surprised by it as well [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► yeah and so I i had already in [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► anticipation of this month of travel and [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► this week in particular I've already [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► like pulled back the amount of work that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► I was intending to do but even still I [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► realize like okay I accomplished gray [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► industries business-wise literally [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► nothing during this whole trip like i [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► didn't open up a text file can reply to [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► an email is it's like nothing got done [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► in that aspect because there was always [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► something else to do and so what we're [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► about to talk about is we took this this [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► trip anyway we essentially took like a [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► whole road trip for an entire day again [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► I was gonna have atomizer like nope [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► guess what you're going to be in the car [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► with three other podcasters driving [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► around all day long [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► seeing the whole bunch of stuff and then [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► you know it was just crazy it was it was [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► absolutely was absolutely just a crazy [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► busy [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► being handsome but not not what I [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► imagined which is like this is going to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► be half of vacation with some you know [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► dinner events to go to it like nope [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► every day all day stuff to do but but [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► thank you for arranging it almost always [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► a pleasure [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► so we took a road trip so it was me and [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► you and federal poverty changed even [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Hackett we took a road trip down to [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► cupertino Wednesday apples company store [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► took some pictures outside of infinite [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► loop we want allowed inside i'll be [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► working on our side we were specifically [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► not allowed inside you got closest you [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► what you walked up to the door right [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► take a picture yeah you guys were even [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► afraid to walk to the the door but we [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► weren't allowed in i might become the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► other first I'm going to sign in the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► store that that was that for me I [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► decided if we've driven all the way down [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► to the one infinite loop campus i'm at [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► very least going to walk right up to the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► door and press my face against the glass [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► like a sad puppy dog look in his eye [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like thank you we come in right inches [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► away on the other side of the glass as a [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► security guard give me a severely stern [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► ok now you're not coming but if you're [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► not allowed in which was the complete [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► opposite to our next is on our road trip [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► which is to facebook yes where they let [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► us go everywhere like we could go [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► anywhere we wanted it was amazing it was [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► it was essentially a physical [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► manifestation of the company's corporate [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► policy of Apple nobody comes in we're [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► going to we're going to keep it really [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► tight and even I know I while we're down [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► here there have been some people who [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► have been able to gain access like [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► through that front door but even they [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► have described how you see nothing think [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► they take you down just a hallway like I [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► hope you enjoy looking at the carpet in [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the hallway and apple and then we're [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► gonna kick you right out like this is [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► this is as far as the tour goes so even [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► even if we had been able to get inside [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► we would have seen nothing is what i [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► have gathered from everybody who got [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► past that security barrier I was like [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► okay but that fits with Apple everything [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► I know about Apple has the way they work [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► and then Facebook was it was almost like [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► to welcoming you think [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► come on and I accidentally moved in for [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► a while [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► yeah the the facebook [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► offices I don't even know I i keep [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► thinking of ways to try to describe what [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► this was like [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► but that when you walk through the front [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► door facebook you then immediately it is [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► it's essentially facebook this is how [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► i'm going to describe it it is like a [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► walled city there's a perimeter of [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► buildings around the outside so they do [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► have no security barrier that you have [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► to pass through but once you pass [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► through that the whole interior it was [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► it was a town it was a town on the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► inside there were main streets there [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► were restaurants there were places to [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► get your hair cut there were signed [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► manufacturing shops there were bicycles [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► there were libraries as an arcade there [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► was an arcade it was it was so strange [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► and unexpected but it was just oh I feel [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► like I've walked through a building to [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► get to the other side of this and i have [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► been transported to a very bustling busy [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► sort of Disney ified college town like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that that's that's what it was all of a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► sudden the way that you can kind of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► understand this is I went to Facebook's [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► offices and got someone [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► yeah it's okay that's the waters a good [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► as like a don't need to bring some cream [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► on i'm going to be offices for the day [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► no it was inside outside is what it was [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► it was it was it was a town it was just [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► a fascinating experience but i also made [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the same mental calculation of do i need [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► to put on sunscreen today are now I'm [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► going to go see facebook headquarters [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► and I mentally thinking of the pictures [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► that I've seen is like oh it's some [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► gigantic openoffice indoors ok obviously [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► I don't need to put on any sunscreen but [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► now we went to facebook we all came home [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► sunburned because we didn't realize that [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► we were just going to a town we're going [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► to go to it down we were going to walk [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► around we were going to get ice cream [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► we're going to have burritos are going [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► to sit outside it was it was it was [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► entirely unexpected and but we did also [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► go to the big open office like they have [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► multiple areas and and kind of the [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► outside area [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► just one part of their overall campus [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► and what we did actually go and take a [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► look in that what is it we spoke about [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► on the show before then with that is [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► like the largest open plan office in the [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► world that's that's my understanding of [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► what it is [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► yeah this is the biggest open-plan [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► office in the world and when we were [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► there they were saying how they're busy [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► building like two more of you have the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► same size [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► it's like we have the biggest of this [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► thing in the world but we need more like [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► this is not adequate we need two more of [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► the biggest open-plan offices in the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► world so we we did get to walk through [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► that enormous space and see it firsthand [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► I never felt like I could see the end of [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the room even when we went upstairs and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► kind of like looked over at the kind of [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► what was below [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► I just never felt like I could see the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► end of it i think they said something [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► like the loop of it is a half a mile or [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► the AIDS it was one of those things [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► where they kept giving crazy numbers [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► have in here is how many people are in [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► this office space [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► here's how much it is to walk around the [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► perimeter of it and we walked the entire [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► length of it and it was a good long time [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► ratchet to get from from one end of the [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► office to the other and it was it was [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► really interesting to see how a company [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► has made a decision to lay out a space [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► and so i will find for the show notes [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► but we did discuss just when we saw [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► pictures of the open office layout we [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► had a whole show we kind of talked about [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► open offices and the facebook layout on [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the inside was was interesting because [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► it did feel like a huge space [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► I mean that the ceiling was forever [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► above you and so everything just felt [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► big but you are right that they did a [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► quite a job of making sure that you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► never had an unobstructed sight line to [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the other end I think because if you did [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► you would have vertigo and just fall on [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► the floor and probably shiver for a [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► while just having to see what that looks [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► but by having these gigantic walls that [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► constantly broke up your your sightline [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I i think that had I not known what it [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► was before hand I could have walked [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► through that entire space and not [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► noticed that it was a single [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► uninterruptedly room like it could have [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► fooled me into feeling like this is a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► series of very large rooms that are [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► connected but not have noticed that it [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► was ace a single uncontained space so [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► that that what i was expecting is this [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► this feeling of I'm going to stand at [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► one end of this football field and look [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► to the other end of the football field [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► and see rows upon rows and rows of desks [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► you could not have that experience even [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► like you said there was one point where [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► we went up a little staircase and had [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the had a high level view of the space [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► you still your sightline was still [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► obstructed I i think that had to be on [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► purpose that they didn't want someone to [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► be able to stand at the top of the space [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► and be able to oversee it all like they [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► wanted to constantly cut off those [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► spaces is that how you felt about it [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► like the dube kind of have that same [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► feeling like this is a bunch of big [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► rooms or go with your reaction to it [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► what that was definitely like anchor [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► points that you have Z so was it didn't [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► necessarily feel like rooms [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► it felt like zones link that there was [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► you knew you're in a specific place [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► inside of this big open office but I [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► still just had like the feeling of it as [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► a picture that i took which is kind of [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► like from behind you so you can kind of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► like see what a person's view is and it [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► really always looked to me like it went [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► on forever in any direction that you [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► looked at and I don't know how I felt [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► about that because it [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► I can't even imagine how loud that place [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► would be hm when it was full so there [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► wasn't really that many people there we [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► went on a wednesday which apparently is [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► a day with lots of people work from home [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► to kind of break up the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► traveling into the week but it felt like [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► even though they want a lot of people [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► that there was just like a a base level [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► of sound constantly and having worked in [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► offices with just hundreds of people in [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► number open-plan it can get really like [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► just loud all the time and I just wonder [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► how that would be in an office that is [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► if the incredible scale that one is yeah [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► i mean it too little side bars here the [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the first is that we took this photo [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► it'll be in the show notes we took a [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► photo at this spot because this was the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► longest uninterrupted sight line in the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► whole building so it was notable that [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► when you turned one corner there was a a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► place that you could just look down for [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► forever and so I almost think that photo [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► is a bit of an atypical shot from the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► inside of the facebook headquarters but [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► the thing you mentioned there and i [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► would i would love because now that now [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that i have i have met very many i know [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► that a lot of people who work in San [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► Francisco tech companies listen to the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► show and I've had this experience now of [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► visiting facebook we also visited [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► dropbox and I've been in the office [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► buildings of a bunch of other like San [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► Francisco style tech companies and then [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► also in London like I've been in the [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► Google headquarters and YouTube [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► headquarters and i've i've experienced [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► the same thing over and over again which [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► is every time I go in one of these [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► open-plan offices it seems like nobody [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► is at the desk so I I've seen this over [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► and over again same and so feel like [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► nobody works in these companies i never [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► cited for their desks and I've done it [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► this time I've done it last year soon as [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you have done in London and it always [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► feels like I don't understand why [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► they're making these offices bigger [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► because nobody's here [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► it's very strange but the thing that's [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► weird to me is every time I ask every [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► tour guide at every one of these [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► buildings about it and there is always [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► an explanation but they will always say [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► Oh today's a special day you know [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► Wednesday's people don't work in the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► offices like okay but i have been [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► bumping into people who have been in [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► facebook and other days of the week and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► every one of them i have asked give me [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► an estimate for how many people were [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► sitting at their desk when [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► you walk through that space and nobody's [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► given a number higher than thirty [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► percent right when they were when they [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► were there as like it when you ask that [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► they say that there was something going [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► on and everybody says the same thing [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► like oh yeah you always get some reason [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► for why and I've had the same thing like [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► when we went to dropbox it was the same [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► thing like oh we've just moved into a [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► new building so there's not that many [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► people here but then when I go to the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► YouTube headquarters and look around and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it's the same thing it's like rows and [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► rows of desks maybe fifteen percent of [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► people at the desk and I ask the person [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► giving me the torrent youtube like what [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► where is everybody they always like [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► every single time there's some reason [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► and so on an individual basis you can [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► accept each reason at its face value but [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► when I compare it to the aggregate of [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► okay i have now been to 10 different of [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► these kind of offices in different [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► locations and it's always the same [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► experience and that stage like I have to [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► just discount whatever the individual [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► reasons are and i have to fall back on [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I think what we discussed when we when [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► we first talked about these open-plan [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► offices in my experience of google was [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► the people who work here will do [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► anything to not be at their desks like [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► maybe you have enough employees on the [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► roles that you could have everybody [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► sitting in the same spot at the same [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► time but for whatever reason like people [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► are trying to work anywhere else that [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► they possibly can and like that's what [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► I've seen in other places and so the [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► facebook one it seemed like the same [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► experience of ok we're going into these [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► open-plan offices and you know the day [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► we were there it couldn't have been more [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► than ten percent of those desks were [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► filled but then you go outside it's like [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► oh it's a huge bustling town i can think [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► everybody's walking around like it [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► suddenly busy and so I just I find [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► myself really wondering about these [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► office setups and and having the same [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► feeling of that you do of like how [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► efficient are these or i can also just [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► keep finding myself were running through [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► the numbers of all of these companies [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► and thinking what are all of these [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► people doing like I have a hard time [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► understanding think what is occurring in [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► these enormous spaces [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► and i don't know like it sometimes I [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► just find myself wondering when people [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► tell you for example how big the company [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► was when they had a lot of users and [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► then you know they they quadruple the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the number of users the company has but [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the staff has gone up by three hundred [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► percent I feel like you've got drupal [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► users but you three hundred percent [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► employees right are you a thousand [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► percent employees it seems like you know [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► again from talking to tell these people [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► to people about the substance things [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► like it takes 50 people to get the first [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► five million people but then take 5,000 [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► people to get the next five million yeah [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and something about this just always [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► strikes me as strange but but I want [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► what I wonder is like are these [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► companies paying a huge number of people [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► but those like those additional [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► individuals are working at like ten [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► percent capacity but it but like it just [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► doesn't even matter because the company [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► has so much money that it can spend that [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► it still gets a return on investment for [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► someone who's that their desk like a [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► tiny amount of time I don't know there's [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► a soul in this those initial people [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► potentially like company founders and [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► people that were in at the beginning you [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► know maybe those people because it did [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► the company means more than they work [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► differently to people that get hired to [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► do a job [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► well I assume that that has to be the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► case and I also assume there's a bit of [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► almost like anthropic principle going on [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► here of that the companies that are able [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► to have millions of users with 10 [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► employees those exist because they have [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► they happen to get the right collection [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► of 10 super productive people right at [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► the start [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► yep and you wouldn't hear about that [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► company if it didn't have those exact [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► right 10 people and so when you're [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► expanding outward from their accurate [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► your that the company is so successful [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► because it like it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► it rolled you know it 12 every time on [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► on the first dozen employees that it [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that it hired like it is it's incredibly [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► statistically unlikely but that's also [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► why the company was incredibly [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► statistically unlikely successful it's [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► just [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► I don't know I guess I just keep finding [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► my mind circling back to this and this [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► this particular i almost want to sit in [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the cafeteria of a bunch of these [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► companies all day long and just talk to [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► everybody and be like this what do you [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► do and they get the show me on a [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► spreadsheet how much time you're [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► actually working on stuff here like how [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► many hours is your butt in the seat that [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► is theoretically assigned to you versus [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► how much time do you spend in the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► beanbag chair in the lobby like I just I [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► just there's something about this i [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► don't understand but find my mind [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► continually circling back on like it was [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► it was absolutely fascinating to to [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► visit facebook but I almost found my [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► mind like unsettled by the whole [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► experience and it was it was a weird [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► moment we're so they have they have this [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► enormous open-plan office and then the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► whole roof of this building is this [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► stunning park [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► yeah it's a is that we climb up the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► circular staircase and all of a sudden [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► we are in the middle of of just like [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► this field of wheat almost like this is [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► just like waist-high blowing grass in [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► the wind and there's trees and flowers [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► like hummingbirds are zipping by and [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► there's guys he was extracted I've ever [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► seen those gonna take me away [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► yeah you know and it's and we're [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► standing up there and see it was [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► suddenly like you have this is like view [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► for miles around before looking across [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► like this huge Martian you see this city [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► in the in the distance and it felt like [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► I was transported to San Francisco's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► version of New York's Central Park all [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► of a sudden like this is an incredibly [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► well designed park and it has all these [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► little paths and but after walking [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► through what felt like the town from the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► nineteen sixties TV show from in the UK [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► the prisoner like they were walking [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► through this manufactured bizarre [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► pretendo town and then we go into this [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► enormous open office space that is [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► bizarrely understaffed but there's a [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► reason but maybe it's always like this [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► because it's like this everywhere that i [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► go and then all of a sudden we're trying [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► ported to take this fantastic park and [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► then we're sitting in a gazebo hanging [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► out with everybody i really felt my [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► brain with which is like I cannot accept [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► any more of this like my brain was just [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► at capacity for experience and scale it [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► was like this is this is just [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► overwhelming in a way that is hard to [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► define like I don't know if you had that [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► same experience but I was like I felt [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► like my brain was really just ready to [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► shut down by the end of the facebook [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► door I just don't think i could work in [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► an environment like it is a fantastic [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► environment but having worked in offices [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► moon [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► I just think hard struggle with it now [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► now we must set this I would love to be [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► in that environment working on my stuff [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► lose it's got everything I need in it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► right like I could go there and I have [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► access to all these incredible resources [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► but my feeling is just like I don't know [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► if I could do it inside of an [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► organization but I think that's more of [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► Mike's problem with organizations issue [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► then right Facebook's issue because they [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► if you want to work in a company they [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► have provided you with like the perfect [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► office it has yeah everything and there [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► are a lot of complaints that people make [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► about this type of thing when i was [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► there and like you know you can laugh [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► about the fact that has a barbershop in [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► it and stuff like that but when you're [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► there is so far away from anything like [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► we're facebook is located [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► there's nothing around so if they don't [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► provide it people can have access to [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► these communities yet without a doubt [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► lady if you are we will put a link in [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► the show notes but if you like just look [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► at the satellite map of where Facebook [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► is it makes sense that they had built a [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► little walled city because it all around [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► it is just wrapping the highway there's [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► nowhere to walk to outside of it and so [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► I like if I was up the burg and I was [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► going to build a gigantic company I [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► would have done the same thing [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► Heda did in this idea of okay we just [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► need to build all [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► all of the amenities that a literal [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► towns worth of people could need right [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► we're going to need parks because we're [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► going to need a place for people to do [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► their laundry [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► we're going to need entertainment for [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► people I I would have done the exact [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► same thing out and I was saying to [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► someone i am half surprised they don't [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► have apartments for rent in that complex [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► I think they could build an apartment [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► building and have some of their [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► employees just live there and i'm sure [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► people would happily live there because [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► that Facebook campus is better than many [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► towns i have passed through on travels [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► in my life safety as well yeah yeah like [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► a yeah isn't as a fantastic question [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► what is the crime rate on the facebook [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► campus i bet it is near zero [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► ya know like I ask somebody can you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► sleep here [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► mhm and they would like you can take a [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► nap but you constantly better you know [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like i imagine that has like a do not [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► sleep here like just don't do it right [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► because if people find out you're doing [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► that that's terrible [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► like just stop it dr. ground right but [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► you can take naps because i was [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► basically i was i was angling for like [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► yeah some people do because that [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► basically means yes some people live [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► right exactly do they do yeah and and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► this this is also where I remember a [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► camera with the details but some story [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► came out about like some guy who was [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► living it was living in a rented van [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► like you gotyou got fired but he and his [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► buddy just still lived on the campus if [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► you're working on there's talk about for [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► something like having been to facebook [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► is totally understandable like how does [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that happen that you could just lose [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► track of person that we keep living in [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► your company like this is how it happens [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► because it's a town like you could lose [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► track of people in a town haha yeah it's [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► it was it was very it was very [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► overwhelming as you said i also have the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► same experience of okay if if my brain [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► got used to this after the first couple [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► of days of just everything is new [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► everything is overwhelming [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► it is in its own way it's a fantastic [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► environment and I could see like you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► said somehow being my own person working [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► in this environment where everything is [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► incredibly convenient you know but it's [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► as I if I was going to be an employee of [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► a company [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► the the facebook office i feel like i'm [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► not sure that i could work here and it [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► was interesting because we had the [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► comparison just a couple days later [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► where we went to the dropbox [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► headquarters which also had a lot of the [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► kind of crazy San Francisco stuff of the [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► of the way like this bunch of open [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► offices and we have a pink carpeting [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► over here here here sick because the [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► gigantic statue of like a silver panda [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► bear that we have put in the center of [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the office like they have all of this [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► kind of crazy stuff so there is a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► similarity of feeling like the dropbox [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► place as far as an office went like the [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► scale of it was smaller and I thought [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► okay if i was going to be an employee of [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► a company and i had to choose what you [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► want to work at Facebook where do you [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► want to work at Dropbox like just based [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► on the environments like okay the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► dropbox one was just like calmer like [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► especially I was really aware that it [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► was visually calmer and like you said [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► before even though there was absolutely [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► nobody in that gigantic open office when [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► we were there except maybe ten percent [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► of the seeds something about the way it [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► was set up like the dumbest things ever [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► but it felt like there was like psychic [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► noise like I kept thinking it is again I [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► was here with the decibel meter it would [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► not be registering a much sound but but [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► I felt like it was loud [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I feel like it was the way that we were [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► approaching it right so when we were in [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► dropbox we are enclosed by these walls [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► are around us so we feel the space more [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► so we were spring but in the facebook [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► one like there's no walls like the walls [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► are a mile away [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► yeah so I think we feel like we're [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► outside so we're using our outside [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► forces that yeah that's a good point [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► because we notice it right away in the [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► dropbox headquarters of we were [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► whispering as we're walking through all [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► the various bases but it felt like there [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► was a step actual same amount of people [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► in both what if I like right yeah it did [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► it very very strange i i i think i'm [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► following the way that you feel about [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► this if i was going to work for a [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► company i was going to take a job again [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► I would prefer to be in an environment [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► like Dropbox but if i was going to take [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► my own personal business and put it [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► somewhere i would want to do that inside [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► of face [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► book inside right office and maybe like [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► you know the way that they set up I [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► don't know the organizational structure [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► but you might kind of feel like that [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► there you know and if that's the case i [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► can see how it would work for people [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► they feel like they're running their [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► business insider facebook but that [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► business happens to be such ads right I [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► can see it working [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► yeah and it's certainly from the people [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that we spoke to it did have that [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► feeling of there are there are a bunch [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► of companies within this company just [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► doing their own thing sort of unrelated [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► to stuff that other people are doing so [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► and and they have a thing like between [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► two companies dropbox seemed like people [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► whatever almost like working and there [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► was a sensitive people getting stuff [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► are they following that like in the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► cafeteria for lunch there people moving [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► around fast facebook everyone was so [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► chilled so yeah it was I actually looked [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► around the dropbox cafeteria and the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► thing that caught my attention was [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► everybody eating in the dropbox [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► cafeteria they were leaning forward like [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► they were leaning forward and talking to [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► the people at their table and Facebook [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► looking around at least we were sitting [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► I was really aware that everybody was [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like leaning back in their chairs and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► talking just because it felt like we are [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► a festival or something had to have [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► really did it really did so yeah I I [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► will reiterate your sentiments about [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► working on our own things versus working [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► for a company in which environment would [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► we choose i think that is a that is an [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► accurate summation of the experience of [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► of seeing use places find a little thing [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► that I just I just want to talk about [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► with facebook intention to everybody is [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► my favorite little detail from the store [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► which was Zuckerberg conference room / [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► office you know I was wondering if you [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► were going to bring this up i just i [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► have to bring this up because just as [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the Apple and Facebook campuses [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► themselves were a a reflection of the [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► company's corporate policies Zuckerberg [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► office to me was just a perfect visual [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► metaphor for what facebook kids and so [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► in this tremendously long office where [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► there are people absolutely everywhere [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► at the end of it we get to Zuckerberg [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► conference room / office space and what [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you have to do what you have to imagine [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► listen area is we're standing in this [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► big space there our desks absolutely [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► everywhere in every direction and in [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► this center of these desks in the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► absolute center like is not against any [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► wall right not against any wall or [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► there is a glass cube and his Zuckerberg [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► office so if he was in the inside of [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► that we could have just walked around [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► the outside of his glass office and [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► looked at him from every single angle [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► like oh look your life and work exposed [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► to everybody welcome to facebook [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► it was amazing it was and I was so sad [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► it wasn't there you know really said [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► yeah it was it was weird and I just kept [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► wondering like what happens when you [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► have no meat like meetings with [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► important people from other that you [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► can't you can't have a secret meeting in [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► that office and I eat like there must [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► Zuckerberg you must have some secret [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► bunker somewhere so that when you're [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► hammering out deals with apple or you're [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► angry at each other about your [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► background audio processing that was [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► totally a mistake I there must be a [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► place that you can go so that people [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► don't see you like arguing with apple [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► executives about whatever but you can't [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► you can't possibly be doing it in that [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► office it was just it was so weird but [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► so perfectly facebook inside the arcade [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► that we went to if you put the konami [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► code into one of the machines authority [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► like this [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► activate it has to take you down to the [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► this like a burglar somewhere below the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► floor facebook somewhere in facebook [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► there are secret passages to other [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► locations i refuse to believe otherwise [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► i want to thank smile for their support [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► of cortex and today let me tell you a [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► little bit about PDF pen it's time for [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► you to break that cycle of scaling [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► printing signing and faxing right so [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► let's say somebody send you something [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► the email you a PDF that you need to [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► sign [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► currently you need to print it in to [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► sign it they need to scan it and you can [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► email it back [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► what if you don't have a scanner then [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► you're printing maybe you're signing and [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► God forbid you're faxing it's time to [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► adopt the paperless lifestyle is time [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► for you to get your hands on PDF pen the [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► ultimate tool for editing pdfs pdf [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► pattern will let you take control of all [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► of the PDS that come your way you can [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► very easily make corrections and redact [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► sensitive information you can add text [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► and graphics to PDF as well as super [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► simply you can number pages and so much [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► more whenever you need PDF pattern has [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► got you covered and the new PDF n8 is [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► going to further enrich your PDF [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► creation and editing experience you can [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► now make audio notes that you can record [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► in place maybe wanna leave a note for [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► yourself later on each one a corner [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► however will that be you can access file [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► attachments you can export to microsoft [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► word without the need of an internet [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► connection to do all of that and you'll [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► be able to sign documents now with [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► digital signatures allowing you to send [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► and receive PDS of a greater degree of [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► trust than ever before [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► PDF tone is an essential tool in my talk [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► it on all of the devices that I own [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► learn more about PDF pen right now smile [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► software.com / cortex thank you to smile [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► for their support of this show really a [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► fan [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► all right so listen I need to talk to [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► you for a minute directly because we [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► experienced vr + 44 me from mike this [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► was the first time that we had a [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► particular experience like with the [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► equipment that they had available there [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► and since our day at Facebook we have [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► been talking to lots of people about [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► this experience with VR and I need I [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► feel the need to kind of put something [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► out there at first because you're going [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► to be listening to us talking about this [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► thing but it is a very hard thing to [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► talk about and i think i have finally [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► settled on the metaphor which is [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► oftentimes people who have done [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► hallucinatory drugs will attempt to [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► explain to [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► explain to [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you what the experience was like and [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► they are just limited by the words in [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► the English language and people who have [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► done hallucinatory drugs will also say [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► something like it was an experience that [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► just change them but they have a hard [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► time articulating what that means but [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► they say that it is a thing that will [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► stick with them now for a month after [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► doing the actual drugs themselves and i [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► feel ya like what we are going to be now [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► is the equivalent of two guys who [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► dropped acid together and are going to [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► try to explain to you what it was like [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► so we're going to try to do our best but [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► I think keeping that in mind can kinda [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► like help you along with this [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► conversation [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► yep and it also has my favorite quality [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► of the experience of trying to explain a [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► dream to someone and what you're trying [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► to do is explain the emotional content [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► of an event not the event itself and so [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► like that there is a there's a story [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► that like there's a moment that i had vr [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► that I keep trying to explain to people [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► and every time I do it I feel like I'm [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► explaining why something that that [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► happened in the dream was really [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► important so I just wanted to put that [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► out there to try to help you with this [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► conversation like listen to the [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► emotional content of what we are [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► describing not necessarily like the [TS]