The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 220 November [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable i'm [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► your host Jason snow we are here in this [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► very special episode to talk about [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► webcomics that's right [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► comics found in Webb's put there by [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► spiders joining me to talk about [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► webcomics tonight are the following find [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► Glenn fleischmann hello hello pleasure [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► to be here mr. Snell welcome to the web [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► thank you hurt my way out of it i'm [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► still dubious about it's about I think [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► you're right [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► Erica and sign also here hello hello [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► welcome to the web of comic you and I'm [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► happy to be caught in the web [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► alright Tony Tony sindelar we'll see [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► what happens later you may regret this [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► choice [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► Tony simple are also here hi Tony hello [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► nerds the classic Tony you can that's [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► gonna be your thing now you're gonna be [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► mr. hello nerds that is it's my thing in [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► real life I'm just kind of my thing on [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► the internet okay good [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► and John siracusa hello no more [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► catchphrases [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► yeah I think that's probably also also a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► webcomic is one word yes web comic [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► webcomic wow no no webcomic is a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► comedian least note who is stuck in a [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► web and that is totally different [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► it's like a comedian spider-man doesn't [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► like is a webcomic so webcomics these [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► are like I said comics that you find on [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► the web and we had a conversation on a [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► little mailing list of behind-the-scenes [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► about web comics and I was really [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► excited by by the conclusion of Mona by [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► Noelle Stevenson and that would and I [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► have ever had like three webcomics ever [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► but everybody on the panel was like oooo [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► let's talk about what Kyle of webcomics [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► I thought okay well I consider a nod and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► say I read pneumonia and I really liked [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► it and XKCD is a thing right and then [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► everybody else can talk about actual web [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► comics that people that they like and [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► the people should look at because these [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► are comics that you can find on the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► internet did you know k people out there [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► did you know that you can read comics on [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► the internet it's true [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Kevin webcomic something internet now [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that you there are there one word the [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► webcomics so this is not a draft because [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► quite frankly after three rounds i would [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► be out of I [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yes and that's only if nobody took any [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► of the three things that i've read so [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► instead i thought this would be more of [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the e easygoing meandering let's talk [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► about some web comics that we like and [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and and command them to the folks out [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► there John siracusa do you have either [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► an opening statement or something you [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► would like to discuss about promise I [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► don't know what the format of the show [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► is going well muted I so welcome i I [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► didn't remember if i had rsvp'd hurt [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► I don't have an opening statement but [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► what I was thinking about the topic i [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► realize i read a lot of webcomics [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► surprising amount and so yeah I have I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► have selections I have things I like but [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► i do not have an opening statement [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► alright i actually have like I don't [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► think it counts as an opening statement [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► is now go for it ok here I go [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► you know last time we talked about [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► reading i had crammed a bunch of novels [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► before we recorded right and this time I [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► have been cramming webcomics because i [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► tend to go through webcomic cycles where [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► I will read a few for a couple years and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► then something happens it was job or [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► something and I was track for a year or [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► two or three or more and then eventually [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► I remember and then I catch up on what [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► I've missed and stay current for like a [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► year too and you know leather rinse [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► repeat [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► so the last time I was having webcomics [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► like five years ago I figured it out and [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► that was that's probably the longest gap [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I've gone and i was reading at that time [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► I think six of them pretty regularly and [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► for something that was every single day [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► and then I got a new job so the losing [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► track of them face started up again and [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► so now i guess i have to say thank you [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► Jason for being the catalyst of me [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► entering the reading webcomics phase [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► again because I've spent the last two [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► weeks reading about five years worth of [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► a couple of my favorite comics which has [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► actually been really fun of course now [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► I'm had so much material to binge on at [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► the time and now I've got like [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► withdrawal shakes try to go back to this [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► one a day it's a little sad things we do [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► for podcasting yep [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► yeah like read our paper comics yeah i [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► know in novels and that store it's what [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► you gotta do it anybody want to talk a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► little bit on the road glen I sense you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► might want to say something i have an [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► opening statements [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► yeah first of all you will so I've [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► always been a comics fan [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► dumb i'm going to office cleaning or not [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► but back in the late nineteen nineties i [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► want of writing quite as where it is [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► cme New York Times about comics on the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► web sort of the nascent days of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► webcomics and when people were taking [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► like scott adams was was early on to [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► even people like I know this will sound [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► ridiculous but Frank in earnest which is [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► still running the Creator is a super [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► nice guy passed away a few years ago his [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► kids still running it's one of these [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► sort of pun strips so you know I have to [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it'sit's dad humor and it's been dating [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► forever very clever guy PhD in [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► psychology and anyway so he he had gone [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► on they put an email address and his [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► strip it somewhere in the late nineties [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► and they were getting like thousands of [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► inhale speak here which stunned them [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► about a pun strip basically and and i [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► remember seeing like these little [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► glimpses there's a strip called Alex's [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► restaurant and like a few like early [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► things that were people who had been [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► conventional cartoons or maybe not [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► broken into the syndicate market and it [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► started to post things sometimes every [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► day and we're just playing with the idea [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► of being not comics that were somewhere [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► else put on the web because that's the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► only way you could have made a living to [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► do it but like I say like that putting [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► you know making him [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► webcomics and mikael jansson who is [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► still very active and does animation [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► studio that animates other people's [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► webcomics his own he was very very early [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► and you can still find him active and he [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► may be one of the few people who has a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► scope that spans sort of the entire you [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know early period to now of of being a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► web cartoonist and that is all i have to [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► say it's a great field tony do you have [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► any any statements you would like to [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► make her or would you like to cry [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► previous statements yes i'll just say [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► I've been reading webcomics for a long [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► time now since around 1998 and it's like [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► it's like the first thing i do every [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Wow some people some people like [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► newspapers for me it's like I read [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► webcomics and then I start working [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► through my email and then you know then [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► I do real work so I do my my day [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► wow I don't know what year is it now i [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► don't know i lost track but like 90 [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► years a while it might write 1999 yeah I [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► was like my ways of reading them has [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► changed a little bit over the years of [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► but yeah you're reading on your computer [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► on an ipad on iphone you know I mainly [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► mainly alta on a computer [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► I want the internet rely on bookmarks [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► and I would have bookmarked folders for [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► like comics that were only once a week I [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► would have liked the Monday folder and [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► click on that and it would open all the [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you know all the Monday comics and you [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► read those words now we have things like [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► RSS or other things where it gets pushed [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► to us see my method of reading the few [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► web comics I've read is erica's method [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► which is you forget and then you for [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► remembering you're like oh I've been [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► there in a little while and you go and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► you find that there are like eight pages [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► that you haven't read and you read them [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► and you're like oh man and then you [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► forget for another occasionally that [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► happens with like like when it was in a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► fetal break and I realize I haven't read [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► that long time to the it's hard because [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► some comics like kind of trickle and [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► fade in and out and sometimes it's like [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► no they broke their feet and I have to [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► go find their new feed and look I got to [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► read got to read for the first time six [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► months of their crack all at once but [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► you know and then the number has been [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► floated their I think there's a [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► one-point probably in the early 2000s [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► where I probably reading about 20 or 30 [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► and i have paired that down to maybe [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► like a dozen now and you know i did that [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► like I'm not gonna start reading new [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► comics and thankfully these people are [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► like they can't keep making the same [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► comic forever so they'll die off and to [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► imagine the comics not that people [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► either way [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► oh I mean yeah comics yeah well it's [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► kind of a shame the webcomics like it [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► has all one word [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► it's so all-encompassing because i think [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► for other comics like when we say comic [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► everyone knows kind of what we're [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► talking about it right and then we say [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► comics without the books it's like three [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► panel gag strips in the newspaper don't [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► know I i would say i was a comic strips [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► comic reading that's what I'm looking [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► for comic strips comic book right but [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► when you say webcomics encompasses [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► basically any thing that has pictures [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► with words that's on the web because the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► web part was deemed to be the most [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► important part and so it covers [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► everything like it does and you know not [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► all comics are the same to right i mean [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► not all comics are 32 pages you know [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► staple I know but like a very [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► experienced be there is no comic book [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► that is a one panel one based get you [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► don't mean that you wouldn't go to a [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► comic book store find a comic book open [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► up only to find a gigantic far side on [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► the single-page they're like that's not [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► a thing that you bought [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► I have a collection that is that just [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► one page comic books [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it's one page comics in the assembled in [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► a book so I mean it's like the far side [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► tear off calendars but if you know [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► depends how it was originally pretty [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► wouldn't think of it as a comic book [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► whatever the web eNOS just seem to win [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► out so now everything that's on the web [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► is a webcomic which makes it difficult [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► to like when you guys are all talking [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► about things that you read i could have [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► to like kind of sniff out is he talking [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► about like a serialize thing with like a [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► narrative that goes over a series of [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► things is he talking about a gag strip [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► is he talking about you know like you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► can't really tell up just based on web [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► comics that the great thing too is that [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► a any given thing you read could [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► actually more from one thing together so [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► there's stuff that stick strictly to a [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► form but they're certainly sites [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► everywhere sometimes it's one panel [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► sometimes it's like 40 feet sometimes [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► there's like animation and I other stuff [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► built into it i'm usually animation is a [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► bigger thing but even like Jeff [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► animation and the fact that some people [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► stick to a format that's not necessary [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► because they're on the web and others [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► you know push in all different [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► directions with it as well the infinite [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► canvas [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► yeah yeah well yeah well XKCD is time [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► won the hugo award my and it is I I [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► forget exactly how I it's essentially an [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► animation or you could you I it's hard [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► to describe what it is [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► yeah it is it is a story / 3099 unique [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► images and at one but what you didn't [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► win the dramatic presentation Hugo it [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► it won the graphic story you go which is [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► interesting because it's kind of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► animation but it's kind of a series of [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► stills and that's just one example of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► meanwhile be not only is it a webcomic [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► not only do you have webcomics that [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► could be comic strips are comic books in [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► serial form but you've also got the fact [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► that it's this dynamic medium and a [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► webcomic can be all sorts of things in [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the middle that are not something we [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► could define i was in college in the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► early 2000 you a bunch of people who are [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► involved in making comics for like the [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► college newspaper right and that was [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► kind of a weird time because there would [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► be things that would start as a webcomic [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► that would then become a print comic and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► there would be things that we started [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► print comics that would then become a [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► webcomic and you know some people like [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► different things about the different for [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► matter who they would reach [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► but to a certain extent was like why [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► make a comic that would only be printed [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► in your college newspaper when you could [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► put it on the web and much larger honey [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► that's right you know and some people [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► jump back and forth and would you know [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► have a set of characters and produce [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► separate separate comics for each but [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► yeah well there's the commercial aspect [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► to which is that webcomics have been a [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► spectacularly successful forum for [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► people in a profession that has very few [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► people who actually make a living at it [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► in the in the olden days like there's [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► some professions where like editorial [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► cartoonists a great example is there [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► used to be not that long ago thousands [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► of people in America who is full-time [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► job was drawing a few editorial cartoons [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► we can occasionally writing and now [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► there are like a hundred and twelve or [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► something right and there's some all the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► cartoonist many of whom I i know because [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► they're small circle on Twitter and it [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► but like you look at cartoon comic [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► strips there's always a finite hole in [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the paper that they could fill and the [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► it was a power locker of distribution so [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► peanuts was in every paper and calvin [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► hobbes when it ran and so forth so there [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► weren't that many slots that can be [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► filled in the web gave infinite [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► opportunity but that doesn't always mean [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► it can be exploited but web cartoonists [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► I think our web comics managed to [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► somehow do this great thing which is not [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► only give people a place that they don't [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► have to you know there's no limit to [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► what they could do and they can control [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► it but to find an audience that's [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► willing in many cases to pay enough in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► some manner by page views or books or [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Kickstarter's or whatever that that [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► there are a lot of people who they make [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► some of their living and a reasonable [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► number to make a full time living from [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► it and that's actually kind of [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► extraordinary there's I think there's at [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► least hundreds if not in the thousand or [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► more who derive a real a substitute part [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► of a living if not better from it and [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the way that has kind of emerged as [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► someone interesting i remember i did in [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► college I looked it up around 2001 a [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► presentation for a class on the future [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► of micro payments and how that was going [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► to change everything [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► you'll remember that that then never [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► happen everyone's going to pay a penny [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► to read their cum yeah everyone's going [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► to have plenty to read webcomics told [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► remember when that happened and then [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► didn't work out nope [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► yeah any day now like the answer was [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► actually t-shirts so close yeah the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► answer the answer with teeth like this [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► macro payment is actually pretty cool [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► too yeah you know actually in going back [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► and reading and catching up on some of [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► these things uh one of them i noticed [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► that the Creator had a patreon page so I [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► went and I pledged it which is a good [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► way to do it i went at a comic con a few [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► years ago in San Diego I i went to a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► digital comics panel and heard the guide [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► now I'm not gonna remember his name and [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► I really it's a guy who does love and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► capes whose name escapes me which is a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► fun webcomic Tom Sawyer is his name and [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► it's a webcomic about a superhero and [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► his dating life and it's actually pretty [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► fun but the point of the panel was that [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► a lot of webcomics people including the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► lemon cake sky Tom there they actually [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► started structuring their comics at [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► roughly the orientation or end aspect [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► ratio of half of a printed comic book [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► page so that they could stack them and [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► do a print edition every so often of [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► what they did which I thought was an [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► interesting way of going backward into a [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► print medium in order to sell books by [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► coming up with a way to structure your [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► web comic in a way that you know [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► eventually it assembles itself and this [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► is one kind of webcomic right is the the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► thing that's that's actually like a [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► comic book or a graphic novel but it's [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► being assembled in in in pieces right in [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► front of you which is was my experience [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► with pneumonia as well which starts out [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► much more punch line e at you know every [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► page is a punt has a punch line at the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► end and over the course of of time it [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► becomes something that's much more about [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the continuing story and that there [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► doesn't have to be a punch line but [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► that's the one of the great things about [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► this format is that it can be plotted to [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► go into other formats later and be as he [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► realises you wanted to be as well as [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► completely not if you don't want to be I [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► i had two comics that I wanted to talk [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► about one obscure one well-known but [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► speaking of like how comics can morph [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► and be different things on the web one [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► aspect of webcomics that I've that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► really drew me into it is the idea that [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► you can participate in the you can be [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► there for the birth of something so that [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the just this one compliment [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► comic that out well maybe maybe Tony [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► sort of it up it's called alpha shade i [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► was kind of a failed comic experiment [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► and i don't know how i came to start [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► following it but they did a podcast that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► was associated with it and it's two [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► brothers working on this sort of in [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► their spare time one of them is a [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► graphic artist by trade and he was [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► drawing it in the other one drives [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► trains for a living and he wrote it and [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► they would podcast about their [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► experience of trying to do the comic and [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► fit into their lives and how they how [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► they wanted to be successful but didn't [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► know how they're ever going to do it [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► with their other responsibilities and I [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► how they wanted to make print books out [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► of it to make money and they would go to [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► comic conventions and say how successful [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it was or wasn't and talk about the time [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► and effort required to put in the pages [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► and then and the difficulty keeping to a [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► schedule and that's not really part of [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► the comic but webcomics like so many [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► other things on the web lets you sort of [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► feel like you are participating in the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► whole thing you never got to see like [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the creative process behind like peanuts [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► or whatever maybe you like a new story [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► whatsoever but in the webcomics you got [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► to see everything the entire struggle [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► and alpha shade in particular is [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► interesting because it was essentially a [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► webcomic that didn't didn't fulfill the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► dreams of its creator didn't make them [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► financially independent they didn't all [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► get the quick that quit their jobs and [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► just do the count full time and in fact [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► the comic is not done and they probably [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► bit off way more than they can chew but [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► it is a fascinating experimental [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► fascinating artifact of the creative [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► process and its alpha dash a comp you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► want to pop some pages that have never [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► seen before [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the artwork is absolutely amazing [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► especially compared to sort of the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► average webcomics not that I'm slamming [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► web comic artist but artistic ability is [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► not the most important thing especially [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► if you're writing a gag strip but the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► artwork is incredible and it does get [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► much better from the beginning towards [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► the end the writing not so incredible [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► the world much bigger than they could [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► think of but then they could possibly [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► pull off but it is a fascinating not [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► gonna say failure but it's a fascinating [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► sample of something that can only happen [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► on the web because you would never I [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► would never have heard of these people [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► they would never get a book deal they [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► would never you know have a [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► half-finished story on shelves somewhere [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► like they would have had to go through [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► an editorial process if I would not have [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► been able to see this thing at all [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► probably let alone see the entire sort [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► of creative process of it and that is an [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► aspect of webcam [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► accident kind of I guess it's kind of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► like a reality-tv aspect where you feel [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► like you're a connection with the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► creator's more much more so that you [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► would anything you would buy in a store [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► in decades past i completely agree one [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► of the ones that i caught up on was that [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► questionable content and one of the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► reasons that i like that comics so much [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► is that after the end of every comic the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► co-author puts in but you know sometimes [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► it's just that you know hey come and see [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► me at such-and-such a convention but [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► quite often it's like a little comment [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► on the story or the the strip that you [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► saw that day and quite often it seems [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► like he is as surprised at what happened [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► in the strip as I am or that you know [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the characters did something he didn't [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► expect and I just always find that kind [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► of hilarious and I don't know if it's [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► still going but for a while the many of [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► the characters in the comic actually [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► have their own Twitter accounts and he [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► had been playing back and forth and you [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► could follow all of them and it was just [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► it was it was kind of it was just great [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► because I really from reading so many [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► years of this comic I felt like all [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► these characters were my friends and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► then going back and catching up on the [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► last five years was really cool just [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► like my life had been changing and and I [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► was growing and and they were to a their [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► lives had moved on and and and it was [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► cool catching up and I should look and [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► see if they still have Twitter accounts [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► because that would be cool i like that [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► comic a lot too [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► it's like the ancillary materials like [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► like the blog posts that associate that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► are associated with a lot of comics or [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► podcasts or things like other like sort [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► of extra material surrounding the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► comment that the comic is the thing but [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► there's like this expanded universe of [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► content from the author that is just [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► always surrounded as the communities the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► forms that you're on there's the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► blogpost the news post the you know the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► even the merchandise that they sell [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► forms this world around this work and [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► it's all like one thing there's this [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► comment like this pretty popular cat and [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► girl and the artist and writer solicits [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► donations for maintaining the comic and [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► she then draws a comic about spending [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► the money that she gets on donations [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► here's the groceries hype ah here's the [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► community was repaying my cable bill you [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► know here's here's buying one take a [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► guess so i can do to some important [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► thing right [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► well it's interesting to think about it [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► to that a lot of these comics in the if [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you draw that line [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► back to the content newspaper comic [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► strips especially that was something [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► that it didn't it didn't have a world [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► around it like like what you guys are [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► describing it wasn't a website and [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► ancillary material and expanded universe [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► it was literally like a comic strip in a [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► row you know in a column with a lot of [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► different comic strips and it would [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► change day by day and it certainly had [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► its fans right but it was in no context [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► other than the comics page inside the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► newspaper and you you know peanuts by [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► Schultz ok and then that's all you [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► really knew and and the most you might [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► get is like my brother when I was little [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► I remember he had some peanuts books and [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► then when I was like 9 or whatever I got [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► some Garfield books and was like oh my [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► god the whole book of just got your [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► field comics it was really nothing more [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► than the comics but yet it it was like [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► this is just about peanuts or Garfield [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► or whatever and that's a great thing [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► about webcomics is that they can be [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► their own thing they have their own [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► product their own world they've got [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► everything around them if you really [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► love them you can know all these things [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► about them that when they were just a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► thing stuck in the corner of the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► newspaper that mean you literally [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► couldn't glean anything more beyond what [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► was in the newspaper [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► that's why you'd buy those books from [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the comics from you know you by the [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► collections of like bloom county or [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► calvin hobbes and we have notes from the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► author about the strips and I know [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► that's like oh they're gonna talk about [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► this trip that I read you know six [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► months ago or they're gonna have an [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► introductory paragraph or something you [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► just wanted anything from the creator of [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► this thing you love like these are the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► color versions that papers that printed [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► in color used but my paper didn't and so [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► I never saw them in color even though [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► they made them in color stuff like that [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► too i mean it's yeah so and that that's [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the thing about a webcomic is that it it [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► doesn't just change the form of the of [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the comic that they can have it be [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► infinitely long and have it be an [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► animated gif or whatever that you know [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► all these different things that you can [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► do with the format but it's also that [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it's surrounded by all this stuff so [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► that you can really connect to the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► creator and other fans in a way that you [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► just can't if it's laying there flat on [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► the page and that's an upgrade over the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► speaking of content like a comic was in [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► black and white [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► I think it's not great even over the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► best quality color printed like x-men [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► comics not that [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► high-quality me but like for example [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► alpha shade is done in 32-bit color and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► flash so it's a resolution independence [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► and has the full color palette available [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► nothing on the printed page can compare [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► with that and you know especially in the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► pre sort of dark horse you know graphic [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► novel type of days when it was just you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know how many colors were comics when [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► you were a kid Jason 6 8 16 [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► well I mean it was a four color process [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► so they could be lots of colors but it [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► would be half tethering yeah yeah yeahs [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► dithering half-tones we call that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► halftone to be the right time for our [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► first sponsor break it's a new sponsor [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► i'm excited to tell you about it's [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► Casper you may have heard about Casper [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► on some other podcast let me tell you [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► about it first hand i have been sleeping [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► for the last week on a casper mattresses [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► now Casper is like the fusion of the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► sleep world with the technology world [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► there's a whole story about the people [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► behind Casper being obsessed with [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► engineering a great mattress at an [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► incredibly good price so the guys behind [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► Casper are revolutionising the mattress [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► industry they are cutting the cost of [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► dealing with resellers and showrooms [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► coming out of the equation passing that [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► saving directly onto you and doing it [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► with a mattress that is one-of-a-kind is [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► what they call a hybrid mattress it is a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► combination of premium latex foam with [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► memory foam and put those two together [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► for better nights and brighter days [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► because you sleep well now I've had the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► queen-size Casper for about a week [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► I have to admit I was a little bit [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► skeptical my wife was skeptical but you [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► know what it is [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► it does not feel like my old spring [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► mattress which was really bouncy this [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► one you just kind of lay on it you sink [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► into it but it's really comfortable i [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► had a good night's sleep the first night [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► and that's saying something with a new [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► mattress and I've really enjoyed every [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► night since then so you should [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► definitely check it out now what do [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► casper mattresses costs this one of [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► those crazy five-thousand-dollar [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► mattresses no it isn't about 500 is [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► where it starts for a twin 604 twin [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► extra long go up from there 754 full 854 [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► Queen 954 king and if you look at what [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► my mattresses are in the industry are [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► priced at [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► it's actually a pretty darn good deal in [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► fact people might say how could they [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► even do this how do they do it [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► I don't know some smart technology [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► cutting up the middle men shrink-wrap [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► because what happens is when you order a [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► Casper it comes to you in a box [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► surprisingly small box and you think [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► okay what if I got myself and i ordered [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► the wrong size what's going on here and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you cut the package open the box and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► open and it unfurls and springs into [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► full-size it's not pretty amazing if you [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► want to put it back in the box below to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► send it back to Casper if you're [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► unsatisfied you know you had those [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► moments where like you buy a bed and you [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► bought it and you're stuck with it [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► whether you like it or not not true with [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► Casper there's a free trial and return [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► policy free delivery and free returns [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► within a hundred days hundred days you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► can sleep on a Casper for three months [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► and still have time to send it back if [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it just isn't for you and casper [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► mattresses are made in the USA so go [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► give it a try [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► fifty dollars toward any mattress if [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you're in the market for a new mattress [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► please consider Casper visit Casper com [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► cas pr.com / incomparable and use the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► offer code incomparable and you'll get [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► fifty dollars off any mattress purcha so [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► thank you so much to Casper for giving [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► me a good night's sleep and supporting [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► being comfortable the I was gonna point [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► out a kind of extreme example of that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► like the autobiographical elements like [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► knowing more about the artist is [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► hyperbole and a half by ali bouche which [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► is one of the it's almost you know it's [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► john redefining inside as onra insiders [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► genre which is if you don't overwork as [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► other people read her stuff i don't know [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► yeah I haven't I haven't gone back in [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► you know devoured it all but I've right [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► enough to know that that's something [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that's on my to do this [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► oh my god it's just it's it's [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► mind-blowing because it's very personal [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and it's very funny and it's very dark [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► all at once and it's you know [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► she's got severe depression and she had [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► she's kind of you know it's really weird [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► kid and she writes these amazing things [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► and she gets inside the head of what it [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► was like at the time she's going through [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► these things there's one of the more [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► recent thing it hurts go on and on and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► on and they're like book-length accounts [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► almost there just one bit where she's so [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► their parents give her a dinosaur [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► costume and she's a little kid and she [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► conveys the power she fell and the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► unlock of control she suddenly exercise [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► whenever she was wearing and how long it [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► took her parents to realize that her [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► terrible behavior was whenever she was [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► wearing the dinosaur costume but she [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► tells you the story from inside that and [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► her drawing a sort of purposely it's not [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► a lot of you like fake naive kind of [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► style but its its course in a really [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► specific way and when she wants to its [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► it's better but I think that's part of [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► the way that she's representing these [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► really jagged experiences but it's oh my [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► god is it funny and then she released a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► book that has some stuff from that's [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► online there's a lot more words in the [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► book let's say and in some that were new [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► and the book is powerful and amazing and [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► whatever in and like other times you [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► know laughing so hard I can't breathe [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► sort of stuff and then others feel like [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► oh my god this woman is talking about [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the deepest darkest point at which she [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► just is telling people no it's okay i [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► just want to die [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► it's alright though it's fine it's just [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► I don't have any feelings and I'd like [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► to die and then realizing what that [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► sounds like to other people and it's but [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► i don't know if i can underestimate how [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► hilarious is because it's so raw but [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► also relatable and she pushed the medium [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► and she nurses webpages she's one of [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► these people this is something I point [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► out to is so many people who are on the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► top of their profession I don't want to [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► say nobody you know people like which [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► Stevens his friend friend of the show [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► which yeah [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► diesel sweeties I mean he's been he's [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► been cranking it out for over a decade [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and working his ass off for that time [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► but they're also the people like kate [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► beaton Oh [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► for uh you know is actually number of [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► people we talked about the tally bhushan [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► other folks who they just posted some [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► sometimes modest stuff for one thing and [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► people went berserk on tumblr or [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► facebook and then encourage them to do [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► more and suddenly know kate beaton went [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► from I think posting some sketches on [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► tumblr to a new york times bestseller in [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► under three years two and a half years [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and her stuff is still out other people [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► talk about her too i'm sure but like [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► that's the phenomenon to is that it's [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► it's like music for artists like a this [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► person got discovered and then there are [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► top of the you know effective charts in [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► New York Times bestseller list that's [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► impressive [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's like music for artists she just [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► blew my mind well it's like chocolate [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► for wine so I'm we should take some time [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► and let people extol the virtues one of [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► the things I like to do on the show I [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► really love doing is having people talk [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► about things they like and that way [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► other people get to hear about those [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► things and then they could try them out [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► and I think that's really exciting so I [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► thought we would go around in a non [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► draft like fashion and let people share [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► some of the things that they like John's [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► you want to start sure i will pick the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► easy for me it's not a pit or speak not [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► of their not first graph on pic [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► yes i will pick something the easy one [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► that everybody knows that may be [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► somewhat controversial but i'm here to [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► defend oh no that and that is the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► quintessential webcomic penny arcade [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► this is this is not the episode where we [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► talk about difficulties with the [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► creators that was no more talking about [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► Colorado river's a penny arcade is a [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► fantastic webcomic I think it's probably [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► the first 1i i started to read regularly [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► it's a gag strip it's about video games [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it does the webcomic thing and that [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► sometimes three panel sometimes it's six [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► sometimes it's it's laid out like a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► graphic novel and goes on with [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► continuity and there's no gag like it [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► does whatever the hell it wants to do I [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► and in going through back through the [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► catalog trying to find some links there [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► is a fantastic amount of content first [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► love it its it's can do it a webcomic [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► can do in this comic for people who are [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► into video games which that would never [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that doesn't work in a newspaper you [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► know it should have during the NES era [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► that shouldn't you should have been able [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► have a comment about video games but you [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► could write on the web you can because [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► you can connect traitor and their [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► audience right and in this comic yet [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► started off as a gag comic the artist [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► Mike could not draw very well in the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► beginning that's that's a common thing I [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► think in a lot of webcomics you look at [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the first year and you like it it's it's [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► in all comics because if you look at the [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► first year peanuts or or dare I say it [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► from my Garfield book reading years i [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► was actually the first Garfield look I [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► was like what the hell happened to [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► garfield the answers they had heard that [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► he hadn't figured out how to draw you [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► something sometimes when i was going to [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► say he didn't figure out how to get [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► ghost artist for a while there now see [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► it's not but sometimes it's like you're [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► just learning how to make your [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► characters in sort of a generic way but [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► other times you're actually expanding [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the your artistry and i think that's [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► that's the case we can see Mike [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► developers an artist but some of the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► things I picked out from from their run [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► as a couple of good gag strips that I [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► like that again the gag trips only work [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► if you have this deep deep knowledge of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► video game culture that was happening at [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► the time this trip was made and so that [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► connects with an audience because you're [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► like i know this is you know this but [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► very few other people do but we find it [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► hilarious only do things like the paint [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the line series which was a sort of [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► eighties movie send up involving [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► ping-pong they do things like automaton [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► which is a a gritty new are sort of [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► black-and-white comic about our robot [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► detective and his partner cardboard [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► tubes tubes samurai which is like a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► send-up of the samurai movies but with [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► obviously with a cardboard tube which is [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► all born out of things that happen in [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► their lives and more recently that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► lookouts thorn watch and daughters of [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the our wood which is like here's the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► thing about the penny arcade these guys [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► wanted to make a serious comic like when [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► they were in their kids they wanted to [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► make like the comics that they were [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► reading like you know the dark knight [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► and stuff like super serious like [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► everyone you know this is real art and [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► everything and yet what they found [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► themselves making was a comedy strip and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► so everything they do with the comedy [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► strip you can see the thing they wanted [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it's like it's like a sideways backwards [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► way to be able to do things they want to [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► do so cardboard samurais a joke pieces [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► his sword is a cardboard tube but it's [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► not a joke it's also us memorize strip [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the same thing with automaton which [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► that's more straight up i think our [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► paint the line like it's again with [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► being being with these people on their [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► journey [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► of how are we going to make money should [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► we accept donations they didn't think [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► they have microtransactions but that you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► know should we should we put out a print [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► book that them selling the rights to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► their to their entire strip several [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► times to unscrupulous business people [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► and getting out of it then creating this [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► entire business for themselves and the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► penny arcade expo and other things it is [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► a fascinating story outside the strip [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► which you know goes off and other [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► interesting directions but the strip [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► itself [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► this is a solid webcomic this is an [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► amazingly good webcomic it's just I have [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► literally pages of what i think are [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► fantastic examples of the form and so [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► despite all the other things that penny [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► arcade being the 800-pound gorilla and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► all sorts of other non-comic related [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► things that are involved with them i [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► think it's important not to lose sight [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► of the fact that you know like ender's [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► game may have been a really good novel [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► and this is a really really good comic [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► strip [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► yeah i'll agree with you completely is [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► that I I stopped reading it but i think [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► what they do what they have done and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► what they do is actually really [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► remarkable and even there it's a [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► fascinating to go back and look at the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► early strips and watch the drawing style [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► improve fairly rapidly into something [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that's incredibly slick and professional [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► and the overall billion forgot which is [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► a jury or is it gay produce the drive [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► member which to get Gabriel mike is gay [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► painters the drugs can he's using he's [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► he's got and he's got a tremendously [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► better as an artist and also he's still [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► not like awesome i think that's [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► endearing quality like this is somebody [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► who if they were just working as like a [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► traditional artist like not doing their [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► own thing would probably not be hired to [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you know doing like animation hand like [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► his his skills are never going to be [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► sort of top-tier top-shelf kind of like [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► whatever is the most recent age like [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► silver age and Jason can tell me [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► whatever whenever there was a recent Age [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► of comics he would not be in that in [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► that camp but because he is his own [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► person that his own thing and because he [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► has come so far he's like he's good [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► enough and he and he pushes himself as [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► interesting things he's achieved the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► apotheosis in his own milieu right is [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► that he's he he's kind of reached a [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► point in the kind of thing he does i [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► mean the art is very good but it's also [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► for what he does he's the best added in [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that space because it's the thing they [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► defined and he changes that all the time [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► like gold back like out with these links [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► he changes our style whenever the hell [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► he feels like it wiping is going to stop [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► yeah i agree i mean-- and socially have [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► there's there's cannon there's sandal [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► and strips and I I'm not you know gamer [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► myself I barely know anything about [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► video games stuff but I read I don't [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► play that many and I found this trip [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► very enjoyable at times because they [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► provide just enough context so I could [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► read through the background to to find [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► it and enjoy it as well so yeah i'm i'm [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► a i'm a big fan of what they did [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► separate from being able to read it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► anymore right [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► yeah that was actually one of the one of [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► the comics that was on my list you know [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► five or six years ago and I felt like I [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► one of the reasons i didn't even bother [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► to go back to it is that I have kind of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► dropped off in gaming since then but [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► even at the time I wasn't gaming as much [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► as I had been in previous years but I [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► felt like that comic kept me connected [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► to the gaming world in a way that I [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► would have completely missed out on had [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► I not been reading it so I kind of knew [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► enough stuff peripheral to be able to [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► get most of the jokes and then anything [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► that didn't immediately twig to me I [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► could kind of figure out or go off on a [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► forum somewhere where everybody's going [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► sometimes you just resign your post [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► instead of actually living at the comedy [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► forget as a comic care to have family in [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► America do you have something you would [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► like to recommend well I i mentioned [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► briefly questionable content so i guess [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► maybe I will talk about that i think [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► it's probably at this point my favorite [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► webcomic just after doing my her quick [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► catch-up this is the 1i think I was most [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► excited about and I think it's because [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► of the characters it's the comic of all [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the ones that i read that has the most [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► realistic characters because they [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► sometimes act in ways that are [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► unexpected but they're not unrealistic [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► and I think that's an important [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► distinction [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► there's no big gimmick to this comic [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► it's it's it's definitely more a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► serialize kind of a thing it's not a gag [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► strip although there are a lot of goofy [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► gags in it it's just sort of a simple [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► story of a few people that live in [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► northampton massachusetts you gotta [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► Martin who's an indie-rock aficionado [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► who doesn't really know what he wants to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► do with his life [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► I can relate his friends he has a friend [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► roommate named feijoo she's kinda just [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► like what's Martin with a quick tongue [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► to match she usually keeps abuse on the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► customers at the coffee shop where she [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► works and then that shop is run by Dora [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► who is a bisexual x gospel with an [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► amazing talent for coffee roasting and [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► then you've got handle or who is just [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the super sweet character she's a little [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► shy and a lot OCD because she grew up on [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► a space station and the world is also [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► populated by robots with artificial [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► intelligence they are like pint-sized [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► who is Martin's and throw pc he's mostly [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► there for comic relief and really really [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► dirty jokes about cake batter and it's [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► just an interesting world is written by [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► I think it's pronounced Jeff jock jock [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► think that it didn't jph is a how Jeff [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► spelled by which i think is kind of cool [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► it started in august of 2003 and eyes i [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► think pretty consistently improved over [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the years both in terms of the art like [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► we talked about and also the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► complexities of like the storylines and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the character arcs there are a couple [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► things that I really love about the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► comic um I love that the AI thing is not [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► a big deal it's just sort of a part of [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► the fabric of the the world that this is [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► told from and it's a world is very close [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► to ours there just happened to be well I [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► guess people i mean there are [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► campaigning for civil rights at some [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► points kind of just in the background of [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► this comic but it's not a really big [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► deal it's also super geeky there are [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► tons of references to indie rock bands [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► i've never heard of but there are just [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► as many references to star wars or XKCD [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► or mst3k in in one stay in one frame [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► they're kicking somebody out the coffee [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► shop and saying all right Tom servo it's [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► movie sign get the hell out [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► so you know that's that's my kind of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► joke and though it's written by a guy i [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► think this comic has pretty much the [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► best treatment of female characters of [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► any kind of anything that i have read [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► lately they are real people with real [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► personalities real flaws they make [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► realistic decisions that don't always [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► revolve around the guys in the strip [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► which is sometimes a nice change and [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► among the main characters i think the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► women actually outnumber the men by [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► quite a bit which is super rare and it [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► from an artwork perspective they are not [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► all super skinny or like super busty [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► some of them are just super skinny some [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► sort of real nice career [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► the ladies and the guys are really like [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► that to you get some chunky fellows and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► some some really cut dudes there's a [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► little bit of everything and it's rare [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► that it's even mentioned it's just that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► people are people and they look [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► actually come to think of it there's [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► kind of a nice diversity of races and [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► skin color as well they don't really [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► dwell upon it so I never never really [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► paid attention to that until I was [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► rereading it and now thinking and [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► talking about it and he also doesn't shy [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► away from discussions of sexuality there [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► are people all over the spectrum and [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► it's just sort of an accepted thing [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► which i think is really great it's kind [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► of refreshing to have it not be a really [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► big deal and in addition he's also [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► started taking on gender identity issues [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► recently he introduced a trans character [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► named Claire and I'm really really [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► loving this storyline and the character [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► because she's just super sweet and [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► lovable and adorable and he apparently [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► has worked really hard at doing the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► research and talking to people to try to [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► make sure that he gets the storyline [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► right because he recognizes what a big [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► deal it is and doesn't want to screw it [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► up as much as possible and apparently so [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► far the feedback has been really [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► positive so I just I'm completely [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► enjoying it and in addition to all the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► other sort of connection to the author [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► things that we had talked about he is [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► also very open about his own mental [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► health issues which occasionally get in [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the way of putting out comics [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► consistently and I think that that [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► openness is really great i wish more [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► people would talk about that sort of [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► stuff to help distinc- ties it so that's [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► that's the kind of thing that really [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► makes me feel close to the author in in [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► a way that I don't necessarily get from [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► from the little goofy jokes on some of [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► the other web comics that i read and [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► enjoy its great highly recommend i will [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► second Erica's of recommendation of [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► questionable content that was on my list [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► is pretty high up [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► if we were drafting and I could only [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► talk about it but it is delightful i [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► used to live for many years in the city [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► where it set and so it's any he does [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► lovely stuff of dropping stuff in the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► background of actual places around there [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► so when I lived there it was play like [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► oh yeah that place and now it's like now [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► I can just logically be like yeah that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► place so that's cool [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► nice tony do you have something you'd [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► like to recommend since you don't have [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► to recommend that one because it was [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► recommended [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► it's been recommended um I've got a [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► bunch on here i'm gonna pick one that I [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► guess we'll be slightly uh obscured by [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► the metric that it does not have a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► Wikipedia page about that so i will [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► recommend the webcomic metroid any dro I [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► d.com which actually has a website now i [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► think when i was first reading it was [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► actually just images posted on like live [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► journal pages I don't that tells you a [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► little bit about it its pedigree and the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► the the artist who creates metroid i [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► think actually does a like the coloring [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► or other production stuff for other [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► perhaps better known comics but metroid [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► is a comic that just makes me always [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► feel much happier and better about life [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► i guess it is kind of one of those like [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► you know one gag comic occasionally [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► their their ongoing story lines but a [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► lot of it is just jokes and it's about [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► these two characters are potato or perto [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► depending on how you pronounce that [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► who is a bear shape potato-shaped [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► character and uh Reginald who is a [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► bird-shaped character who is kind of his [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► friend but it's kind of an awful selfish [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► jerk and they go on adventures and [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► things happen [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► I i would say that metroid is a is up [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► there in terms of being perhaps one of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the finest quality comics in terms of [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the quality of the punchline delivered [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► in the alt tag for images which is you [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► know a format 22 which to my knowledge [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► is unique to webcomics obviously XKCD is [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► pretty well known for that too but [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► metroid is a delightful comic that i've [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► been reading for many years I have some [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► metroid shirts which lets you know that [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► I like Metroid I guess yeah and it's [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► great it's part of I think it's part of [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► the same kind of there's a bunch of [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► webcomics who live in east hampton and [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► western Massachusetts or who are [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► associated with that collective which I [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► think just socks is part of and I don't [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► know if if this guy actually lives there [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► or if you just gets his stuff published [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► to the same group and I know our Stevens [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► is affiliated with them too [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► ok 22 pitch it to particle to pay the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► court to pappadeaux I think it's [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► something I don't know Ren Ren Caldwell [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► used to work for yes I was actually just [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► make browsing the two-particle [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► merch site before we came here making my [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► Christmas list gotta go is for all of [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► your Christmas needs unless you know [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► people that are great so I don't know [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► yeah that's right said and basically is [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► what you're saying [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► Tony I didn't say that ok I'm saying [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► that that this the network is great [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► alright an alternate universe tony is [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► part of the comments collective any east [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► hampton massachusetts instead of having [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► a game full employment but you know [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► probably I have to like ride motorcycles [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► in that alternate future too [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► yeah that's great alright metroid good [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► job Tony it's really late here you [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► forgive you yet turned into the spin [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► there and you got it all straightened [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► Glenn do you have something to recommend [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► i have so many things i'm going to pick [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► one that I think is most amusing and [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► since i already mentioned le bouche just [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► not abusing in the same way [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► axe cop axe costly greatest thing ever [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► story of an ex-cop no good ever created [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► in any medium ever forever ex-cop is a [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► cop and one day at the fire scene the [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► fire he finds it acts and on that day he [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► becomes axe cop and it's a great concede [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it was this guy who's a comic book [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► artist he has kind of a blended family [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► and he was spending time with his one of [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► his brothers whose five and he wasn't 26 [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► at the time and they start you know [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► written on Stephanie's drawing things [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► like the little brother comes up with [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► this axe cop idea so he starts drawing [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► comics and building plots and so forth [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► and they post some of the facebook and [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► people go nuts and then they your cleans [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► it up and he produces website and its it [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► was a huge phenomenon few years ago when [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► there was little less going on in both [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► their lives lives for the cartoonist had [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► more going on and it's just a it's crazy [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► because it's what a five-year-old is [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► told ok tell me the next part of story [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► now the next part of the story shaped by [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► someone with a really great comic book [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► sensibility so you know there's flute [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► cop who when he's touched by dragon [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► blood because dinosaur blood becomes [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► dinosaur book cop and the names are all [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► ridiculous there's a super heroes who [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► are named beautiful girly Bob they're [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► all identical women and wrists [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you know there's bad guys next cop just [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► goes out and chop their heads off the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► bad guys and well why'd you kill all [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► those people they were all bad guys and [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► and they turned it into [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► a webcomic web by animated series to [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► that I just watched a few weeks ago that [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► is crazy it's like the craziest thing [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► I've ever seen created in that way [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► because it has that five-year-old logic [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► presented in a super professional comic [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► way so it has none of the you know [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► script hallmarks like a five-year-old [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► wrong it for animating it would be very [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► different and they got patton oswalt and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► some good names on it so i highly [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► recommend it because it's just it's so [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► weird and strange and funny and you can [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► see all the all the kids influences but [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► it's shaped into into stories that that [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► I think are really really entertaining [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► axe cop i was at penny arcade expo was [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► playing dungeons dragons as you do and i [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was in a room and in a table and a [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► another one of these stories Tony we're [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► playing D&D at penny arcade expo jaan [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► okay go ahead a man who appeared to be a [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► police officer poked his head into the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► room looked at us and said kids are [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► doing any drugs are you and we nervously [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► said no and he said ok then and he left [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► and as far as I could tell that guy was [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► a police officer until one of my friends [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that did that police officer have an axe [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it was an act top cosplayer I was not [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► familiar with that I saw a lot of axe [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► cop costumes including my friend in [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► Putney dressed up his axe cop i would [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► say that is his costume was dangerously [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► on the level of importance of a guitar [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► lesson 14 yeah it was pretty good and he [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► had an authentic cop mustache that you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► know was not prosthetic so Dean party [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► here in this show episode below on the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► futurama yeah Barbra Jean per episode [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► prefer yep that's my axe cop sorry [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► hopefully short good start good story [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► Tony 23 time for one more sponsor break [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► in the webcomics edition of the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► incomparable and if somebody told you [TS]

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00:48:02 ◼   ► on graphic design and more you name it [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► now when i left my previous job [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► one of the benefits they actually gave [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► us on our way out the door for a short [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► period of time was lynda.com training I [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► thought that was really excellent like [TS]

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00:48:19 ◼   ► for our next job [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► we have knowledge that we can apply [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► through Linda and actually when I was [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► building six colors calm i used [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► lynda.com CSS training to help me and [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► responsive design training to help me [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► figure out how to setup the CSS and the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► web design for six colors because I did [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► that myself using the brains of the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► experts at lynda.com Linda comms video [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► training if you haven't seen it it's [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► professionally done that these beautiful [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► modern studios they are not down in [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► somebody's basement with bad lighting [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► and you can't see what you're doing and [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► these are also like I said the experts [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► doing this so everything is crystal [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► clear they've got these beautiful studio [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► they've got this great technology you [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► can watch and learn on a smartphone on a [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► tablet or on your computer in a web [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► browser there are searchable transcripts [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► playlist you can get a certificate of [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► course completion with your beginners or [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► advanced people you can find courses for [TS]

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00:49:23 ◼   ► than a hundred thousand video tutorials [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► and if you want to sign up for a premium [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► plan you can download courses to your [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► iphone or ipad watching offline any [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► software you can think of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► lynda.com can help you stay current so [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► really it's a great deal you have access [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► to the entire library i used for web [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► design i've used for logic name the kind [TS]

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00:49:43 ◼   ► Microsoft Office adobe creative suite [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► they're all there with courses on [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► lynda.com and here's a great thing about [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► Linda you get a chance to experience [TS]

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00:49:57 ◼   ► visit linda.com ly nba.com slash [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► incomparable to try it free for 10 days [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► and thank you so much to linda.com for [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► supporting the incomparable I've [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► mentioned before and so I'm just gonna [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► put out there since this this is my [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► impetus to to organize episode which is [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► no Mona which is coming out by Noelle [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► Stevenson you can get it in [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► you can read it at ginger hazing calm / [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► Damona and it's a really enjoyable story [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► that is now complete so you can read the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► whole thing [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► it starts out as there's a villain his [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► name is balusters Blackheart the it is a [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► hilarious weird combination of a fantasy [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► and technology like if there's a castle [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► and stuff but there's also like a TV [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► station and scientists and balanced a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► black heart is the villain but and you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► get the sense very early that he had a [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► horrible falling-out with golden loin [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► who is the hero of the kingdom and uh [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Ramona appears to balance your black [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► heart and basically says I want to be [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the villain sidekick I i can change [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► shape and and I've got some big plans [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► and you know basically she tries to egg [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► them on to you you haven't been enough [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► of the supervillain let me help you out [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► boss and she know she appears as this as [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► this young girl but she's got these [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► powers and then the story over time as [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the the art gets richer and the story [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► gets Richard because the artist is [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► really learning her craft that she goes [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and you can see it the story the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► relationship between Ramona and and and [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► balusters the relationship between [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► balusters & golden loin the secrets of [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► what's going on in this kingdom and how [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► it's being operated by some sinister [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► forces at work is uh it's a lot of fun i [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► really love the mixing up of the of the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► genres and and the blackhearts golden [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► lion relationship is actually sort of [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► super adorable and and heavily heavily [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► ships [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► yes oh yes absolutely and intentionally [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► so but it's actually it's a it's a huge [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► amount of fun [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the fact that you've got black heart and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► golden loin as your blonde superhero and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► your black-hearted villain who's [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► actually your main character and Jason [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► is isn't it true that you're you're the [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► golden line is the inspiration for your [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► D&D character on my imagination Peter [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Peter dragon 4g is golden join said I [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► only I want to establish for the record [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► your level of murder [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► yes you have a dungeons and dragons [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► dragons character inspired by a webcomic [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► care i do in the 1i called Peter golden [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► loin [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► because that would be too much you just [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► changed everything in my my head but now [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► I'm never gonna forget the words I was [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► like uh huh well I wanted to be a big [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► you know like I its captain handsome [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► he's blonde and handsome and fancy these [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► offensive man and golden line is that [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► anyway it is it's great it's coming out [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► of it as a book i'm kind of fascinated [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► to see with it whether she's going to do [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► like real entering or actually even [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► redrawing some of the pages because the [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► art style change so drastically between [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► the first like 20 installments and the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► rest of the the other hundred and forty [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► pages or whatever but uh it's huge huge [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► fun to the point that you know I've read [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it multiple times now since it has come [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► to an end and it's got a nice story and [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► so I haven't had a chance to read it yet [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► but she has a print comic called longer [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► James yeah which I have not read but all [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► my friends who have better taste in [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► comics than i do say is excellent so [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► I've heard excellent things about that [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► as well [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► ya know is tricky because right i think [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► Jason's you're saying is like it it [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► didn't start this ambitious i don't [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► think i'll share the whole plot worked [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► out in like a burden i tell you better [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► you tell me about you told me about it I [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► think so yeah and I was like oh I'll [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► check into this and then like an hour [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and 45 minutes later I'd read the whole [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► thing or three hours it was like I was [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► probably the middle of a workday and I [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► just I didn't actually realize what I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► was doing and you and I are probably [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► doing that at the same time it was and [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► then oh and then i posted a link I'm [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► like oh my god Jason talked about this [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► amazing thing and then other people like [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► god damn you i just spent an hour north [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► platte river is this it was a virus but [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► uh it's incredible narrative scope [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► there's world building and then there's [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► stuff that's developing and I think like [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► this is a danger of working without a [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► net you know in in real time and I mean [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► obviously daily cartoonist have dealt [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► with this for you know a hundred years [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► we're doing stuff and it's the stuff [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► that has a narrative flow to it and you [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► know that the the oldest joke is that [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the spiderman cartoon it's been around [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► forever is like the slowest moving [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► cartoon ever a comic strip ever [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► developed where monday someone sneezes [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► and on Friday someone says cousin I am [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► and and then it's monday they start with [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► a recap [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► yeah lesson [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► repeater was sneezing and then Mary Jane [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► so but but most strips you know there [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► they work some stuff out they have to [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► plan and she was kinda I don't know how [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► much from whole cloth she went so now [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► that she's completed this really [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► remarkable ambitious are you know if [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► she's clearly I mean will she go back [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► and redraw the early stuff i SPECT so [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► because going to a book so maybe she'll [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► preserve some of the field but but [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► recreate it so it's more consistent and [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► will she work out any of the narrative [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► stuff i mean Jason I know that you [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► weren't delighted with the way it ended [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► i guess no no I I like we have no I was [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► looking I have no comments about how it [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► ended I i think it's a I think it's [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► kinda nice I I i don't know it's like [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► you said it's working without a net I [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► think she also decided she wanted to end [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► the story and literally the way the [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► story is told she could have kept going [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► but she says note that that's enough [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► especially now that she's got the comics [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► he's working on the book deal and what [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► has some other projects I think she [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► thought that was a fitting kind of and [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► although my understanding is that she [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► also one of the part of the book deal is [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► that there's a an apple log that's only [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► going to be in the boat yeah [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► yes with a little more closure there too [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► I I felt it could have been a little [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► stronger at the end I felt that she had [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► set a target to finish it and rushed a [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► bit headlong other some magnificence [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► that the end not to not to you know [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► denigrating that but I felt like she was [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► rushing headlong towards add a new model [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that wasn't totally didn't all meshed [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► together as neatly as possible so maybe [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► the Apple well but but very so I mean [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► remarkably satisfying it's like watching [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► someone right there first sci-fi or [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► fantasy novel and have this incredibly [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► rich intricate thing that's different [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► than anything you quite seen before [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► their aspects of of different fantasy [TS]