The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the interminable number 280 November [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► everybody welcome back to being [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► comfortable i'm your host Jason smell [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► and we're here to talk about the fall TV [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► season we like to do this every year [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► this was actually one of our very first [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► episodes that we did [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► I've assembled a group of people who [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► watch television shows and they have [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► comments about new shows and returning [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► shows and hopefully what you'll get out [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► of this is some ideas about shows you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► might watch and also shows you might [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► want to point at and laugh [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► joining me to talk about the fall TV [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► season are these fine people Monty [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► ashley is there hi Monty hi Jason [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► I've been watching television constantly [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► yes you you are somebody who writes [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► about television as one of the things [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that you do sometimes i do i write about [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► television that previously that TV [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► that's right that's very exciting [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► Lisa Schmeisser is also here Lisa hi [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► nice to be here are you writing about [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► television somewhere right now i just [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► turned up my first blog post for the [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► Atlantic so if they like it [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► I'm hoping to parlay I see ya and they [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► have to like it first but if anybody's [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► looking for somebody to write about TV [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► please consider me [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► alright excellent and you you are also [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► recapping sons of anarchy on the TV pod [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► yeah almost like and i are doing the [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► flash cast four sons of anarchy this [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► year i love it when you do a podcast [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► with people named Philip M so this week [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► I was confusing but my guess is also [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► here hello Phillip Michaels hello it's [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► great to be here on TV talk machine [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► applique wait what thank you for that [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► cross promotion that we will pick up on [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► yes dr you writing about television for [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► outlets at this point yes i'm also [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► writing about previously [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► i'm also reading for previously TV where [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► I i hasten to say I'm the second-best [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► previously dot TV writer on this podcast [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► very nice very nice gain more and also [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► hear how Dan i'm watching TV right now [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► your head but not writing about that [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► sure i'm not writing about yeah I mean [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► he'll if someone wants to pay me to [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► write about television i have a lot of [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► opinions right fair enough that's so so [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► if Lisa's it turns down your offer then [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► go to 10 more and that's what we said [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► and also David jail or is here because [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► he's on every podcast hi David a second [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► lieutenant [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► I hands on every other podcast on over [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► yeah i've got all kinds of shows to [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► point and laugh at but some of them are [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► even comedies top so because that's a [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► good sign [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► so that's what that's our panel we're [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► going to talk about the fall stuff and [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► we should talk about new shows [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► first I am going to throw out a show [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► first I and this is not a draft we're [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► going to talk about whatever you guys [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► want to talk about I thought it was all [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► interact always yeah probably [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► ok everyone gets phil hartman yes yes [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► but so I i want to talk about the flash [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► which is on the CW and I've been [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► watching and I don't watch [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► i I don't I never watch smallville I [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► don't watch arrow I'm like four episodes [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► in the first season of arrow i hear its [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► good people like it but I've been [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► watching the flash and I I've been [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► really enjoying it i think it's a lot of [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► fun [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► what are you getting lisa is oh my god [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► first of all I'd i am a huge huge arrow [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► fan and one of these days I'm going to [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► have to Shanghai somebody else into [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► talking about it with me so it's not [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► just a 40 minute podcast and be going I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► know damn good and you can be there [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► I'm all for that yeah we have to talk [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► about John Barrowman because he's just [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► the best oh my gosh um but I I've been [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► enjoying the flash but it's nice to have [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► a superhero series where the superhero [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► is not particularly conflicted about his [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► burden or his responsibilities and he [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► appears to have interests outside of his [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► feelings and yes and thanks to do a job [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► tom cab and Jesse L Martin's is kind of [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► killing it is the you know they did that [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► to you kids dad figure as a dad cop [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► yesterday but but his razor so it's not [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► just you just one forearm is his name i [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► think i think i'm lieutenant dad copped [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► that is actually i think what makes him [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► so effective his life he brings a little [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► bit of gravitas to it so it's not like [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► all you kids who were 22 years old [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► it's like a lot of emotional resonance [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► some of us have jobs here [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► yeah and I love Tom Cavanagh performance [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► so far because they have found yes they [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► have found the right role for his brand [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► of kind of twitchy weird and ability [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► that was you know that was the thing [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that was [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► always a little unsettling about a dude [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► is is this is a stalker who bought a [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► bowling alley and then have someone out [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► there out of mary rogers county wearing [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► hers on cute with it there's like this [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► weird undercurrent of like it could it [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► could have gone either way he could have [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► wanted to find Carol Bessie's face one [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► of those days that Lord out and [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► admittedly Edward have been much more [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► enjoyable have an episode ended with EDD [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► stabbing someone [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► lovely Michael Ian Black yeah but it's [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► here his whole family [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► I'm a restrained damage genius-guy until [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► i get to my magical Braille script from [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► the future and read newspapers from 20 [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► years for nothing that's great okay good [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► haha i love also waiting and waiting [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► they're gonna be still be newspapers one [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► hears no that'sthat's bets book that's [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► actually can do Sabres believes [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► believable thing about this show [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► make him run fast sure but newspapers no [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► actually one thing that made me laugh as [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► they wanted it so badly to be a [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► newspaper from the future but they're [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► like this is implausible so it's like a [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► web page from the future yeah okay I [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► guess whatever at least it's like a nap [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► where he's loading the iphoto the future [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► and it's embedded in his skull and he's [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► like oh and I see from my eye out that [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I'm just glad the headline wasn't [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► something along the lines of you won't [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► believe what happened to the flash up [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► the brain newspaper would like to send [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► you push notification there's actually [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► an easter egg in that in that newspaper [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► to which which talks about a Wayne [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► Enterprises merger with Queen [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► consolidated oh really i'm getting yeah [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► yes the whole shows full of Easter eggs [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► one thing i love about it is that just [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► it's packed like every character is [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► named the secret identity of some d-list [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► superhero yeah so if you know your stuff [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► you can be like that guy's vibe [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► he's gonna start breakdancing any second [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► causing earthquakes [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► incidentally I that character cisco is [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► also i love that they've used him as [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► sort of the audience proxy in that so [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the flash has the most probably i would [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► argue the most ridiculous supervillain [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► nemesis [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► yeah he's right mindset to come up with [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► the name from which we haven't really [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► because i'm just waiting for all these [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► moments with like McLean captain [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► boomerangs can have to show up [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► eventually and you just know he's gonna [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► be like oh yeah the captain Byrne [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► Captain Cold [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► more master come on it's the outback [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► assaulter in the like Cisco shut up [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► because the good [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► no no wait it's the little Menace know [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► so I loved one of the things i like [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► about the grant gustin is that his name [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► yes yeah adorable oh my gosh she's above [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► zero first of these it's funny because [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► he's playing like 22 but for 23 or [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► whatever which is his actual age but [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► he's a kind of actor he's an actor of an [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► age that they would just cast him as a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► high school kid and say sure he's a high [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► school kid except he's in this he's not [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► but he's really likable and seems really [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► young so you get the sense that he's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► he's like young and idealistic and just [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► learning about the world and but what I [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► really like about it is it's got that [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► almost like that first that like the Sam [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► Raimi's spider-man movies kind of thing [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► where it's like light like Peter Parker [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► he's like just this guy he's narrating [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► his own life and it's like this stuff [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► happen to me i'm trying to figure it out [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► he's really likable character and and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► and it except without that like super XD [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► mean his he's got the history and his [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► dad's in jail and all that and yet he [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► did he never seems like a wet blanket [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► which I like i have to point out i am [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► glad you mentioned spider-man here [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► because i'm really looking forward to in [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► 10 years when Grant Gustin play [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► spider-man [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► yeah that's where things are going he's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► channeling the andrew garfield thing [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► yeah yeah I guess I agree it's nice you [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► know especially in counterpoint to arrow [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► which this started as a spin-off of you [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► know an arrow is great but really on the [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► sort of like dark side and they take [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► everything very everything is very [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► realistic and gritty like there aren't [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► super powers on there and so not only if [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► they diverged and said like okay let's [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► do a show that's all about like actual [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► people with superpowers but at the same [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► time let's also kind of make it lighter [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► and more comic booky in some way let's [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► have a lighter too and let's have jokes [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and let's have a you know charismatic [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► people here and I think it really really [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► works but it introduces problems when [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► they eventually cross those series over [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► cuz like which that it was just like [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► right how do you just not call the flash [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► every time you have a problem like oh [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► man that guy he keeps getting away from [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► us let's call our friend who runs really [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► takes like 15 minutes from to run their [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► it's come on it's easy and us to more [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► general that way it's hungry actually [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► really like the fact that was the that [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► was what they realized about him is like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► wow you use a lot of calories you you're [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► gonna pass out you know I knew it was [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► coming the energy bars [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► in the justice in the Justice League [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► version they do that 285 what is it like [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► 85 tacos [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► yeah I thought I was good but it's a fun [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► show I mean I remember like the flash [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► from the show from the nineties with [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► with john wesley shipp who is the dad [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► invented really nice little call back [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► but that was a that was very much like [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► the TV version of the Michael Keaton [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► Batman movies and and the this flash is [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► it's just lighter and fun and I think [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► that the the having tom cavanagh having [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► Jesse L Martin adds that adds a little [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► bit of weight to it that's really nice [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and he's got his team like at the [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► science lab at STAR Labs and so it's [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► also not like he's a loner and only I [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► can do this like spider-man is right [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► soon instead it's like team flashes [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► there and there and there is a conflict [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► of like Tom Cavanagh says that he want [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► he just wants to take care of berry but [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► jesse martin wants to take care of Barry [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► I just gets it's a really dad it's a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► good to my two dads reboot it actually [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► it's actually three dads if you can't [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► jail that the tensor well yeah how could [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► we forget chill dad totally Marva three [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► men and a shiner past big here's why I [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► like flashing my three dads tables its [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► kind of the exact opposite of arrow [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► where is no it's their storage spaces [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► military yeah there are no dad even when [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► dads are physically present and dropping [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► paternity bombs on on poor people in [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► there are still no dad's president sad [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► dadless show Dad freakshow even and so [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► so having s'mores exactly the opposite [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► where berries all I need you guys you're [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► my teammate like rod team flash to flush [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► rotation rate and it cuts through a lot [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► of the BS that in mind I love arrow but [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► like about fifteen percent of the [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► conflict is completely unnecessary [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► because it's it's all over [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► no no I can't too many people I care [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► about get hurt by what i do and people [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► like Oliver knock it off and they've [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► managed to cut out that fifteen percent [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► here it's great but the study of the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► strongest parts of arrow were always [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► been team like when the team developed [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► later in the first series like ya mero [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► parts are definitely stronger parts of [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► the show and so with the flash they're [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► smart enough to be like yeah we gotta do [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► this from the get-go working there's [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► people who know who he is [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► it's not like oh I have to keep my [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► identity secret from everybody and I [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► think that the secret anything like that [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► rope is just were in a period where [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that's kind of like in [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► low and we're not gonna do that right [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► now we're going to worry about that [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► dilemma [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► I'll be in terrible at keeping it is [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► hehe is everyone you know [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► yeah it's actually really love that it's [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► great for went on the show but the one [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► guy who was in charge of finding out who [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► you are so I i have a bit of a I guess [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► unique perspective i do why do you hit [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► the flash well because know you have [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► your the second fastest man alive and [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► for windows that exactly [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► I you know I don't like funny books and [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► I don't really like shows about funny [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► books and I'm kind of iffy on people who [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► do like you forget I know where he lives [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► I I do very much enjoy the flash I i [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► find myself looking forward to the flash [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► yeah the flash has the seal of approval [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► hey all you to listeners of the [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► incomparable you don't really care for [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► comic books [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► this is an ok show that the other people [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► who write in and say I wish you would [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► never talk about comic books exactly [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► yeah that would be me writing under [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► various aliases and I understand but [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► yeah I i like it in a way that the few [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► times I've seen arrow [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► I don't like my arrow has kind of a a [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► nineteen nineties basic cable field [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► goals were ouch [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► no it doesn't know I'm sorry [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► now if they ever do the Black Canary [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► spin-off i am watching that show that's [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► a great show but in your mind but what [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► flash is a just really well put together [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► for all the all the reasons you outlined [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► even if you're even if you don't sit [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► there with your your your DC Comics [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► checklist yeah and up until previously I [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► had no idea there was a guy named vibe [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► now I do so I've learned something today [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► i'm with you because i am a i'm a Marvel [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► Comics guy so although i love the the [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► funny books and the superhero genre I I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► don't know any of the Baxter I mean I [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► lot like Barry Allen and iris I i know a [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► little tiny bit of flash but very little [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► and so I don't get any other references [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and this matter because it'sit's I like [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that it's not super angsty and that [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► there's a really nice ensemble around [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that the main character is kind of [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► winning and you want to root for enemies [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► not you know I I like him I actually do [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► want to root for him which honestly [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► there's a lot of superhero things you [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► like yeah [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► get over yourself right but he's he's a [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► lot what Barry Barry Allen to do well in [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► and for his dad to get out of jail all [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► those things and just yell Martin to to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► you know it embraces a his role as his [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► surrogate father and all i want all that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► and I you know I even like you know Tom [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► Cavan eyes his mysterious future stabbed [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► and dudes rail office from the future [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► yeah i'm convinced that the dots on the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► wall or elaborate data encoding systems [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► and the pattern not something she lost [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► all of its installing from the TARDIS [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► yeah sure you know whatever it is it's [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► not just the randomly now the only weak [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► part of the show for me to be honest is [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► iris yeah [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► yes I I feel like it's and to be fair [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► it's a tough character because you have [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► to have somebody who is is smart and [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► funny and and clearly can go toe-to-toe [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► with Barry and yet has somehow managed [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► to miss the fact that this guy [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► practically has cartoon hearts popping [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► out his eyeballs every time he looks at [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► her but the performances in quite [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► landing with me and I can't put my [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► finger on why but every time is on the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► screen like modeling they're smart [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► enough to sort of rejigger that as they [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► I think they kind of have done with [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► arrow we asked set up a very like in the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► beginning of that show it set up a very [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► clear sort of like love interest and [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► then they realized wow he's really not a [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► bad story at all [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► hey everyone's responding to these other [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► Jew and chemistry so maybe they'll go to [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► summer direction you can tell that they [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► lead it with arrow because they have [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► literally thrown almost every other [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► woman who's working in Los Angeles out [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► and just to see what will stick and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► because the original it's just but I [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► like that they're doing that I like that [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► they're actually breaking free of [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► cannoneer because it it we may actually [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► see green arrow were green arrow and [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► black Canary just decide they're better [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► off as friends just but yeah exactly and [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► that'd be refreshing take on that whole [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► arc there is something I don't like [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► about flash and this is kind of nitpicky [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► and I do not apologize for it but a lot [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► of times [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► Barry will be running really fast and [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► Cisco is talking to him over the head [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► phones but this thing to don't sync up [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► look like in this last episode there's a [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► time when Barry over ran where he was [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► going to supposed to go for by a couple [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► of blocks and Cisco's like Barry Barry [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► stop you missed it by two blocks by the [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► time you finish saying that at the speed [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► Barry was going he should have been out [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► of the city but maybe was yeah fair [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► enough haha yeah maybe he wasn't running [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► at full speed that up like a point [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► coming up because I mean there's enough [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► nerdly bring their one can truly say one [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► of these days you're going to run faster [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► than sound and we have to find a way to [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► be able to communicate with you and then [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► Tom cabins characters like I may have a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► theory and we find out this is how he [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► pops back and forth between here and the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► future is he's figured out how to [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► origami space and time into CB radio [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► wavelengths there's something to be [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► register time that would be cool but [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► historically flash comics have just [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► ignored this problem you'll just have to [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► go now I'm great at the speed of light I [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► appreciate our finger on why they've [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► ignored and probably one of the greatest [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► things about DC adaptations for TV [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► though no one of the great things about [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► do DC adaptations for TV though is [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► they've actually managed to throw out a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► lot of the cannon stuff for a lot of the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► historic problems that they're like you [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► know it's not gonna plant in eight this [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► i love that they've done that with arrow [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► where they have streamlined a lot of the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► stuff and instead of making ride junkie [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► its just oh my got injected with some [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► crazy super soldiers to royal thing and [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► he now has a big feelings about that so [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► you know that there's no one there but [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► they also sort of tip their hat we had a [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► nice like they they don't they don't [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► throw everything out like probably you [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► know they they tip their hand and they [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► put in the Easter eggs and stuff to make [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► people who are comic fans be like oh [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► that thing I totally recognize what that [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► thing is thats related to this other [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► thing but they're not going to strictly [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► they don't they don't consider like a [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► straitjacket of like we've got to follow [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► yeah and I think that's actually one of [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► the DC I think that's why DC does a [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► better job of adapting to the television [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► universe are we need to we move on yes [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► we can move onto a flash cast we can to [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► Gotham for vacationers yes indeed police [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► and we should talk about the other one [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► yeah just Gotham that's making of DC [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► adaptations this of course is the [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► identity before before they were super [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► villains when they were clearly failing [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► its Gotham with Christina coz is Jim [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► Henson's Gotham baby but the kid from [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the OC a [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► Commissioner Gordon and uh yeah so what [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► remember all the things we said about [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► flash having a light touch so that every [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► week when it comes on my my oldest son [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► just sees the time when he goes got ham [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► and nope [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► anyway depends get Smith does he have a [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► whole she's still but she's named yeah [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► she's a completely different show than [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► everybody else like feeling well gonna [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► finger on it when you tweeted last week [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► that Gotham is three different shows and [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► only different shows and only one of [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► them is good [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► yeah so okay so whatever and you don't [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► even want to watch that one okay [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► the three the three shows are one show [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► is a is DC villain factory where you [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► meet like all the ability was like [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► absolutely have to [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Mr Freeze used to just be a guy who [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► liked ice cubes know to be honest that [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sounds like the next that sounds like [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► the next dumb project runway like you [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► would have Tim Gunn and heidi klum [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► hosting DC villain factoring every week [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► Tim going to be like oh you're spend X [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► isn't isn't quite snapping to when you [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► run go make that work it would all be [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► great i would watch that this pilot is [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► especially bad at this words literally [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► like hello I just happen to be a crime [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► scene tech named Edward make my I enjoy [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► riddles but what what does that matter [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► and it's like we call we call him the [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► penguin because he walks funny bahaha [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► and look I found a card it's a joker [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► what the last episode they really dialed [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► back the edward nygma dive going to be [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► the riddler around here you just kind of [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► smiles creepily and I think that's great [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► um that's show number one show number [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► two is a is Bruce Wayne tortured boy [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► genius and asses that is a double dog [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► dragged over here and then show 3 which [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► is the sort of good one is is the kid [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► from the OC and and Donal Logue having [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► their they're good cop bad cop [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► adventures together and I kind of like [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the interplay between them and I would I [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► ate it it it reminds me of a version of [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► terriers honest but still good enough to [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► where i go Terriers i wish i was [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► watching that right now but this is ok [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► yeah if you get rid of all the other [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► shows and also ben mckenzie I think I'm [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► totally into this show low move to a new [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► city [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► oh and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► and then there's jada pinkett smith who [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► is no now I think it was it was someone [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► else on Twitter who said this but boy [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► she is sheets landed on that landed on [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► that character is just sticking with it [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► I think she saw one minute of Eartha [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► Kitt and then oh that's what that was [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► for like here I go [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it feels like sort of a third wave [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► feminist reinterpretation of Eartha Kitt [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► and like they got all the sex positivity [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► in there but they kind of forgot the [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► rest of it it's it's it's really loud [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and weird and broad and I don't like it [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► whatever what if we took a bad Andre [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► Braugher impersonation and made a woman [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► i'm not sure telling straight girls to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► seduce you counts as sex positive so [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► much as just weird [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yeah well the shuttles has a really [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► weird attitude towards lesbianism too [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► because there they treat Barbara's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► dalliance with Renee Montoya as some [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► sort of weird guilty shameful secret [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► which is complete and and it's like to [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► feel my we had a discussion about this [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► like half an hour we were trying to [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► figure out when exactly Gotham is [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► supposed to be set because parts of it [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► are weirdly contemporary so we're trying [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to figure out if the homophobia is it [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► supposed to be like socially consistent [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► with the time the show is set in or if [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it's just the right Israel in girls with [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► each other [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► I'm both fascinating and recalled it's a [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► show written by nineteen-year-old Boyd's [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► boys for 12 year old boys I would be [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► happy to worry about that but with [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Barbara just hung up on wondering is she [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► actually living in a clock tower [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► oh she's the worst or does she just have [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► a lock painted on the outside of room we [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► don't I wonder if it's supposed to be a [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► mirage to the eventual oracle living in [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the closet having like the clock tower [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► HQ and any of that old but when the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► other times but we know that this barber [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► doesn't become oracle like her job is [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► basically to give birth to an awesome [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► robot Barbara Gordon and then I [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► disappear but I I think Barbara that the [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► Barbara Gordon character and or the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► actress is like one of the biggest [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► weakness she tell you every time you use [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► a screen the worst character in that [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► show although all the Jada Pinkett is [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► also a senior shareware so jaded and get [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► short you're writing it you can do a [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► data-rich for the stuff and let's not [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► let's not let let's not let the kid off [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► the hook for p90 Bruce Wayne only the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► other kid to all the Salina Kyle child [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► yes Bob I have a well-known animus [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► against child actors anyway haha [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► actually I i really i like to I like to [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► Selina Kyle stuff i actually thought [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► there was some of the the better stuff [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► because with her and Ben McKenzie and [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and I thought that was I thought that's [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► that was stuff was ok I'm has a strange [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► idea of how to be a stealthy pickpocket [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► the wheel rolls over cars and stay and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► somebody had deserted streets in cats [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► one too many times on PBS but but she [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► can hide in a bus that is just her in [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► the bus and no one will ever see her [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► i freakin love Lili Lili Taylor and [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► Frank Whaley that week that they were on [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it i was going to every minute there on [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► the screen was great yeah i don't i [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► don't like the show either identity i [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► don't actually even like Donald low very [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► much we just really disappoints me [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► because I feel like I think what I [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► decided is it's so operatic it's so [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► over-the-top even even the Donal Logue [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► stuff is too far over the top and the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► Jada Pinkett stuff is so far over the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► top it wraps all the way back around and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► and then goes back all the way up over [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► the top again yeah and and when you [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► contrast with something like the flash [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► and trying to do very different things [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► it's like I just don't I just don't like [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► it I i think i think you're right Phil [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that the show that is the most [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► interesting to me is James Gordon trying [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► to wrestle with what it means to how can [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► he keep some honor and try to bring [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► justice to Gotham when it's completely [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► messed up but that's the only like [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► nugget of this that I find interesting [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► at all and the rest of it is so [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► over-the-top and and crazy that I just [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► as a tone wise i just can't accept it [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► it's just yeah yeah I i just i just [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► spent like 45 minutes on a non-electric [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► shadow podcast with my says talking [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► about how much i really don't like this [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► show so go listen to that evaluates [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► database basically maybe it's just sort [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► of you know if Gotham is a font than [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► this is Comic Sans Batman all i'll say [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► let me get money let me do over let me [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► say a few kind words in defensive of [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► Gotham though not really and I call it I [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► call this the shark phenomenon a few [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► years ago on CBS there was a show called [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► shark yes [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► oh and gentlemen do because it's hard to [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► love is a strong word that we delighted [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► and James was just so it was James Woods [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► was like a really sleazy attorney who [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► became a force for good in the DA's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► office and it was not a very difficult [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► to follow so you could go about your [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► business and and like do your email [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► surfing the net and and and you said [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► earlier how you mail by yeah and look up [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and shark would be doing his Sharkey [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► things and you go home shark you've [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► solved it not cancer and I don't think [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► every show needs to be homework I don't [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► want to spend every show sitting there [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► with my flowchart plotting out the [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► various threads i think that there are [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► some shows that need to be disposable [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► that you can you can look up and go [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► Oh Batman how are you up to today and [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► and got them right now is scratching [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that itch when it's not being terrible [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► clutches about a third method on i have [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► an observation about the people of [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Gotham which is that they all deserve to [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► die and don't deserve a Batman huh yeah [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► in three consecutive episodes they had a [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► super villain whose diabolical plan was [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► to walk up to people and say do this [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► incredibly unlikely thing [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► oops you just killed yourself here grab [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► this weather balloon oh now you're [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► floating away to death [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► yeah here hold this metal tube up to [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► your eyeball [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► yeah you had a very good point on [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► twitter about that money about the about [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► the assassin it is very tim burton e but [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► with without the humor of Tim Burton you [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► know it's it's it's sort of it's like a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► releases to get a mousetrap i'm i'm [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► going to probably watch the show on hulu [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the season and see how i feel about it [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► by the end of it [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► um I really like Donald Logan will watch [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► him in anything and so obviously you [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► have yes it's effective and I think [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► Benjamin McKenzie is doing a fine job [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► with his role it's a nice kitchen [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► Mackenzie well we're not our first they [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► are very for multimedia yes mr. [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Mackenzie is doing an excellent job [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► yeah Donaldson logo doing very well it's [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► it's it's sort of did you work for [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► itself with me [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► oh yes [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► ya know he is basically taking his [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► cellphone character and kinda get a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► greater twist and it's nice and I really [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► love what they're doing penguin I feel [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like the show just lights up whenever [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► that guys on-screen and I can't wait to [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► see him become like the Lord of the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► underworld or whatever so i'm i'm [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► basically rooting for him which is [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► probably not what the show wants me to [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► do but i am much more invested in what [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the penguin is basically the flipside of [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► Batman at this point where he's coming [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► back to Gotham City and he's going to [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► make the city his which is what Batman [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► does later it's just the Penguins idea [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► of what he's going to do with the city [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► vs Batman so diametrically opposed i [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► can't wait to see how it works out [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► alright so flashes gets it gives a [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► thumbs-up Gotham man not it's a half [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► them not so yeah I would give it a [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► thumbs up to nitrate three-quarters i'm [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► not going to because i'm i'm i'm [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► sticking with it at the halfway point [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► that three-quarters understand i watch [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► this you know second episode just was [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► like I don't want to watch the show [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► yeah and I mean the thought that by the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► end of the series if we're never gonna [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► see Batman by the end of the series [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► things are still going to be so dark [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► that the city needs a Batman so your [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► heroes Gordon is never going to win you [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► know it's like why do I want that in my [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► life one once a week for the next time I [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► don't I don't entirely agree with that [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► because i feel like the story arc of the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► show is going to be cordon getting more [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► and more power mais you know no one hour [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and was going to clean it up to the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► point where he can at least side with [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► Batman that like but you know whether he [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► becomes Commissioner he's just a [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► higher-ranking cop that he's going to [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► have made things less corrupt but still [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► not enough that he does not develop a [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► stat man but I'm oohs yeah that's not [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the point in my life once a week I agree [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► ok so we should but we should move on [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► what other new shows are out there that [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► that you guys are watching that you [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► would like to talk about perhaps [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► Constantine Constantine's and I asked [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► for me or the other the other night as [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► we record this DC times might have been [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► doing the superhero yeah we just [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► continuing the DC Comics so uh this [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► watch to see I haven't seen it well tell [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► me about it [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► Monty well the topic is about iie yeah i [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► know the top [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► but but yes you're gonna love me some [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► people might not [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► it's an Iraqi on rives yeah well it's a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► bad guy because when i started to me [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► it's a show about konstantine chernenko [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► and to ever live up to the legacy set by [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► urien drop-off byzantine empire John [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► Constantine is the latest in a long line [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► of musicians who musicians magicians [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they're like met there like that the [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► Laughing magician or something like that [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► because they they always manage to land [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► on their feet and get the best of a deal [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► and through a series of really bad [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► decisions he ends up mortgaging his soul [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► two three or four different demonic [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► entities and basically but the comic [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► book series is about him staying one or [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► two steps ahead whichever demon own a [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► piece of the sold any given point and by [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► the end of it is ready to die and he [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► solved supernatural mysteries along the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► yeah yeah and the TV show appears to be [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► they have seemed to have set it up where [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► he is again a wizard but not like the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► harry potter type of wizard more like a [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► p.i who happens to be able to cast [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► spells he consigned an innocent girl to [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► hell through his own hubris and an angel [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► is now using this as leverage against [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► him so he kind of has to fight the [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► forces of evil for heaven and in order [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► to redeem his own soul and try to get [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► this innocent child back from the damned [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► so that all supernatural mysteries along [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the way [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's that yeah i mean this [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► is obviously going to like a demon of [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► the week or whatever it's going to kind [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► of like Reaper that way this is [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► basically like if Reaper went to grad [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► school but / supernatural yeah so the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► good news is that the guy looks exactly [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► like the constant in the comics and he's [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► a Christmas she like that is the correct [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► that was something that sold me out like [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the first like 30 seconds you're like [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► yeah this guy is John Constantine that [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► they did a good job with that they may [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► have done like a pentagram on the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► Florida and just like brought him up [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► from somewhere because like I had never [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► had not been through this actress work [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► before and then he walks onto the screen [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► and body scan fortunately nothing in [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► your heart she left him [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► it's the pilot well the pilots kind of a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► hot mess because it's an island time and [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► I think you should get the reshot yeah [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► because apparently they wanted to cut [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► out the lady in it so they got [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► don't think they got rid of the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► character who was supposed to be his [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► female sidekick [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► um she returns to her home planet at the [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► end of the episode off-screen yes it's a [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► shame because she's not a bad I bad [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► actress I've seen her and she was in the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► BBC robin hood show a couple years ago [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► as maid marian she's finding that but [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► they're making her do that fake American [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► accent and they put her in the sort of [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► aunjanue role of like I don't know [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► anything that's going on here and [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► literally I like it was paying attention [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► every line of dialogue do that they gave [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► her was like the what's what's this [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► about what's that about what was going [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► on who are you [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► what's that what are these things it's [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► when they start screaming the best time [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► gun straight go straight [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► it was but I got a couple levels even [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► though and see and see how this goes [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► and I thought that Chaz was well cast [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► and is an interesting character on [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► Harold Perrineau is incredibly creepy [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► guy like him so you you've got a couple [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► intriguing hooks and I think it's too up [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► a couple episodes on hulu and see how [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► you like it yeah i'll keep watching it [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it might not be good but it'll be [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► fascinating and the thing is you don't [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► have to have actually read the comics to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► enjoy the the series I feel like we [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► should we should reassure people on this [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► point because Constantine like John [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► Constantine's kind of the wolverine of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the vertical university just get popping [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► up everywhere and like working with [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► everybody and he's got this crazy-long [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► back started like swamp thing and with [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► Timothy hunter the boy wizard and with [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the guys from the endless and so on and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► so forth and that gets old and tedious [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► and tired so just ignore the comment [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► posted book history and see how this [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► works for you [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► yeah the show might just be supernatural [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► private investigator Mike Stevens right [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► well I i think it does a good job of [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► focusing on what's interesting about [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► this character is that he's likeable but [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► he's kind of ultimately cursed in that [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► they make a point of this in the first [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► episode like basically all of his [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► friends die or get in trouble in one way [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► or another [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► like you know he's kind of a walking bad [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► luck token for everybody else around him [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► which is kind of what makes him [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► fascinating as a characters because you [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► know he ends up being not impervious but [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► like you know he he ends up suffering [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► causing a lot of pain stuff like that [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► but that's kind of his nurses that he [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► realized that like he needs and craves [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► human companionship and then he realizes [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► he's like the worst thing that happens [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► to most people [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► yeah but it'sit's really actually watch [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► the production values in the pilot I [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► thought were really good [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► I thought they they pulled some [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► interesting strings the the right I knew [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► that they had changed the last scene [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► where they sort of write out the female [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► lead but it comes across as incredibly [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► handsome you like oh my god do terrible [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► fortunately you're gonna want a [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► journalist worth noting that ever [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► fortunately she left us a map of all [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► these things that we can turn into like [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► 25 more episodes [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► yeah well because they recast the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► actress right there like not just recast [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► the changes Tupac similarities wholly [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► different character and they tacked on [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► this little bit in the very end that [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► sort of leads into that which is a nice [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► little segue but there's a scene at the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► end Rishi's that somebody has been [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► drawing John Constantine at least one of [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► which is actually a picture from the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► comics I've yeah it was a couple of my [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► book covers there which i like to think [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► they did just so they could throw some [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► the artist's way I don't think that was [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► her i thought it was like some mystery [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► woman we're gonna find out how John [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► Constantine is horribly screwed her over [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► to it's signed by her who is the new [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► characters said oh ah clever [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► well that's one way to do it so [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► Constantine worth far i give it a few [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► episodes I think I said keep your [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► netflix and I it might work better if [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► you watch two or three in a row [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► I'm i have a lot of I I have big love [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► with the character from my comic book [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► reading days and so obvious and we all [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► know i'm a sucker because i'm still [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► watching off them so i think that people [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► may want to try two or three and fell I [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► I had no idea konstantine chernenko is [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► so ill for so much of his rule of the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► Soviet Union yeah now it's really a it's [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► really a sad series that it's mostly [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► about him good I don't feel so good the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► big that is a Russian series it only [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► goes from one season to after the video [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► is intended realize my garbage off with [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► you ! big blob of the series of my right [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► shoulder mob anyone [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► ok go for it great job what what what [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► I've been uh what other shows should we [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► talk about you as anybody else watched [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► forever at all [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► yes I do yes yes i saw the pilot it's a [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► it's one of those shows you can watch [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► where literally you can you can leave [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► the room and come back [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and not miss a beat yes but that's not a [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► point against it because sometimes you [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► really don't want to have to watch TV [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► where you're like oh someone somewhere [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► some some northwestern grad students [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► about the launcher PhD thesis on this um [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► it's a very CBS procedural which is [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► funny because it's on ABC ABC mind it is [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► the like it [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the show it has the most come with [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► obviously i think is Elementary where [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► he's a super knowledgeable guy who [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► solves crimes but with a different spin [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► because he's got this strange [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► supernatural curse / blessing where ya [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► is a morally we're and resurrected in [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► the water and he's got like a weird [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► immortal stalker 2 is like I may have [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► answers but i'm not going to write i'll [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► just keep calling you like a weird out [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► so what will you sit like the CBS [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► procedural but half the time I expect [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► castle to walk in turn we have a castle [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► is in self-esteem it's a central exactly [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► out and at least he gets to use his own [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► accent and I think you watch it mostly [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► for the performance is younger and has [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► very charming yeah here he he's easy [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► they they have finally found a project [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► for this do because they're i have [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► watched him bombing a lot of things that [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► I enjoy watching him and read her hang [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► out they don't yes that's the best [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► combination like the best part of the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► show is watching them just banter with [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► each other it's phenomenal and the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► creepy dude who used to be on bones and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► is now like the under corner [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► I can't Joel dates after corner that is [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► like the weird uh for movie version of [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► quincy under koruna we have come to the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► interesting world of Forensic Sciences [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yeah he's like this actors but on Avatar [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► he was that he was one of the squints on [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► bones and now he's on this and he's got [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► like a really nice hangdog thing going [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► and he's fun [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► it's a fun show to watch is it doesn't [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► take itself too seriously [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► yeah and they do the flashbacks well [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► we're actually kind of the only [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► criticism I would level against it is [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► this dude was like the most progressive [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► colonial to ever walk the speed of the [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► streets of New Amsterdam because like he [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► was appalled by tenement conditions and [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► like all you fools tuberculosis and [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► isn't caused by night air one day we'll [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► find the cause and and like that [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► was not a social cause that he was not [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► firmly on the right side of history on [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► the show that this reminds me of [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► actually is highlander the series not [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► just got the guy gets killed in every [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► episode just like all the flashbacks are [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► just like that a Highlander where Duncan [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► was just the greatest guy wherever he [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► was it would be great if there was a [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► show about a guy who like travel through [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► time and just had a board social views i [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► would be an entertaining show [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► quantum lout know that was american [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► horror story that was the last season of [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► american horror story with it turns out [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► that Kathy Bates is pretty much that [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► oh yeah and to torture her they tired of [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► her and make her watch like President [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► Obama on TV because they figure it's [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► like the worst thing in the world for [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► and they're right she loses her mind [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► it's really fucking it forever forever [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► forever seem to be one of those kind of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► disposable shows i didn't just like it [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► at all but i felt no need to watch more [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► of it but I if if it were on or as Phil [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► said something you put on the background [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► and don't need to pay attention to I [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► thought it seemed perfectly fine the the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► opposite of this show in tone is how to [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► get away with murder which takes itself [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► very seriously and I don't like any of [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► the characters I'm having a really hard [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► time trying to stick with that show um [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► and somebody I forget who had the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► perfect tweet where they're like how to [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► commit murder is basically what happens [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► when slytherin goes to law school and I [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► i get that shonda rhimes does [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► complicated characters who are both good [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► and bad and have motives and and [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► everybody's human has flaws and feelings [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► but it's boring the flashbacks are kind [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► of deliberately obfuscating they're [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► wasting viola davis and i can't connect [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► to the key to play Dean in the last few [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► of harry potter with I can't connect to [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► him or any of the other people and I [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► have like three episodes piled up and [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► hula right now just because i keep [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► trying them and I'm like yeah I cut it [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► loose after a couple just because i [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► don't want to spend any more time with [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► any of these jerks [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► yeah another awful cool [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► so but I should also tipped my hand here [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► and and say I've never been able to [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► stick out any Shonda Rhimes show after [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► two or three episodes anyway [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► police he'll be really disappointed when [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► she finally makes the ABC Marvel synergy [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► work and this is my idea that I'm just [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► gonna spread around until finally it [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► happens which is shonda rhimes she-hulk [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► that's what i want right Marvin take the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► Marvel intellectual property is a loss [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► show with she-hulk she's a lawyer she's [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► a superhero you put it all together [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► she's a person of color the color is [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► green but still and I I think shonda [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► rhimes would do a great job with that [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► kind of like law hero kind of things [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► that's what I want him she holds a shot [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► away an IDF and this is why you're [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► running Kapiolani let's get our agency [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► Marvel you got that one for free [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► maybe they can free maybe they can [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► repeat that that that nice lady from red [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► band society to and she can call man oh [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► you had to say it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► so did anybody watch watch red gram you [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► know because that was that was [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► singularly the worst the worst thing i [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► saw this doesn't make me a bad person [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► that I'm rooting for the deaths of [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► multiple ya know it doesn't know because [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they're in a bad show and they made [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► their characters they all need to just [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► die by the show dying which i think it [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► will because its ratings are turning [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► point I i have to that I had even worse [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► than ribbons some real really so wet [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► right very rarely i mean it's like it [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► right there very quickly red band [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► society is an unwatchable show about [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► people who are in a hospital and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► apparently dying but they're the [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► hospital's almost like a dorm I don't [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► really understand it doesn't make any [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► the characters are directly is it really [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► anorexic she's just really cute [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► yeah it's so bad it's like patch Adams [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► the series is what you're told ya you [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► know basically the angriest about oh [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► it's Octavia Spencer want to liberate [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► for better things and think of angry [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► about is is you've got this this [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► anorexic who's supposedly like a [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► long-term resident and she suppose and [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► anorexia is it is is a legitimate [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► psychological and physical disorder [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► um terrible things happen when you have [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it you lose your hair you grow all a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► layer of fur all over your body your [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► organs start eating themselves your [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► immune system collapses and she looks [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► great yeah sure [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and it is the most harmful thing I can [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► possibly think of [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► because the one plot line that I saw was [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► when she goes to like a friend some [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► coming and she showered with attention [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► for how good [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► she looks and we're supposed to as [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► viewers think oh this is terrible but [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► instead the message was [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► yeah she does clean up nice as a [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► skeletal flapper so it was just it's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► it's a poison shown that way is a really [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► it is a really bad show and uh the the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► narrator is the guy in a coma which is [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► kind of quirky but ends up not being [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► very interesting and octavia spencer [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► totally wasted and I hate to say it [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► because i read an interview with her [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► work she basically said well i usually [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► people suggest that i play the you know [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► the the strict strict nurse type and I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► say now that's a tight that's [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► typecasting i'm not going to do that but [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► in this case what they wrote you a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► paycheck and so you took this job it is [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► a stereotypical performance of you know [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► this character that's like so lazy [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► that's a bad shot but I i think it's [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► going to cancel very quickly so people [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► don't need to worry about it too much [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► but red band society bad [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► what could possibly be worse than that [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► David I've got an answer let David go [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► first [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► yes yes i have instances craft I take [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► red band society what's next oh man had [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► left already canceled which already been [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► canceled [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► i won my did ya society has set us free [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► to cells that's the only one that they [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► turned off in the middle of the first [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► oh my definition that's why do with red [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► band society about halfway through and [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► like life's too short for watching this [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► terrible Phil yeah yeah [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► and so we don't even have to talk about [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the handle of sips 10 you dodged you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► dodged a bullet if you didn't see it [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► because it's gone now the the other one [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► that i had and i feel bad because I [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► really wanted it to work you know I like [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the guy is a writer and comedian but yes [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► I'm with you you have a language is like [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► it's like an anti sitcom because it's [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► doing all of the tropes it's doing all [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► the things but it's almost like it's [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► intentionally unfunny it's really weird [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► when Martin Short is the most [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► naturalistic actor in your category is [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► gone [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► yeah well the i watch the second episode [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► are i'll have another tryout man David [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► they have the whole thing ago [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► hey are you dating a doula yes I'm [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► dating the doula and it goes and its [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► trying to make the doula into a thing [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► right and the other plot that they've [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► got running along this is his air [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► conditioners stopped working his window [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► air conditioner and they have to get out [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► of the window and immediately my brain [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► goes the duel is going to help [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► and talk it through the window just yeah [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► it's a baby and 15 minutes later [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► guess what happened and and I just want [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► no this this is wrong [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► so Phil made reference to the fact that [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► I i launched recently this podcast on me [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► uncomfortable network with Tim Goodman [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► from The Hollywood Reporter to be [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► talking to you and he was being subtle [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► to he was quoted think I can you keep [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► the promise something from Iraq you fail [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► brought us yeah thank you feel it's all [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► your fault so good but Goodman quote on [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► Mulaney was there is no no idea there [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► was a TV talking shit there's no saving [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► a show this heinous and and the new york [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► times quoted them and mr. Mullaney this [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► is actually with mr. maleeni responded [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► and basically got all bent out of shape [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► because somebody said that is it shows [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► bad dude you should make a better show [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► you're sure you were not Jerry Seinfeld [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► and this show is is not good it is a [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► funny stand-up in a funny writer he [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► might not be a funny stand-up comic in [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the middle of 87 sitcom so I i hesitate [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► to bring this up because i I've never [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► seen Elena nor the show how about to [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► compare it to so I'm speaking from a [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► position of a sort of this is very much [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► like your podcast but yeah we always [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► mention because this this this bit I [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► suppose [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► does anyone remember the the louis ck [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► show that he did on HBO lucky Louie [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► lucky Louie sorry I think it was HBO [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► yeah your call no one like that all no [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► one liked it at all right that was the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that was the multi-camera sitcom parody [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► ish thing yeah so maybe that's what's [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► happening here where you've gotten [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► otherwise talented guy who just just had [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► a bad day at the office when he was [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► conceiving this entire show [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► well it's weird because it's been [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► through several cycles I mean NBC [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► developed it and turned it down and [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► they've they've kept almost the same [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► cast and crew together and they did it [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► again for Fox and I don't know it's it's [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► really when trying to make fetch happen [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's good [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► training if he happens organically and [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► and does his millennial thing that works [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the rest of America that's fantastic but [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► whatever he's doing now is is the exact [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► opposite of it's working so well i'm [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► gonna compare it to a much better show [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► okay in the pilot episode of The Cosby [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► Show [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► there's a spot where Bill Cosby does [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► about five minutes directly from his act [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► about giving birth [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► yeah and it fits perfectly because the [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► characters observation it's hilarious in [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► the pilot episode of Mulaney there's a [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► big section where John Mulaney does the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► section directly from his act and the [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► entire show shuts down while you seen [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► her [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► watching to a section from his act yeah [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► it's almost the opposite i like that [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► everyone is sitting facing the audience [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► there's no it's not natural looking at [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► what I mean that's why part of me was [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► thinking this is intentionally [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► ironically bad [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► all right we're gonna move we're going [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► to move on from badness although a [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► definite Mulaney maybe badness of Monte [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► do you have something else that's too [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► that's that's also bad that you want to [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► mention well I can assure you that [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► project runway threads is not very good [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► ok thank you but this project runway for [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► kids alright they're doing that they're [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► getting the MasterChef kids thing but to [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► less effective such a thing were [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► possible yeah it's that sounds awful [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► it's a series of one episode things sort [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► of like Cupcake Wars where you have [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► three kids instead of ending a group of [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► kids over the state worries about kids [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► yeah good they're called cupcakes as [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► they're adorable [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► oh and the host is Christian Siriano [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► stripped of all is interesting [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► catchphrases and clothing he's naked [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► doing the show [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► no he's gotta like our grow-ops asses [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► home Edward events honey boo boo and [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► this is going on [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► Wow anyway i'm watching it cuz i'm [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► writing about it okay not a good show [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► well as long as it's like you're just [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► doing it for money yeah it's the wrong [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► with a body allah none of us will just [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► want to make mention a show that was so [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► dumb that I couldn't watch the second [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► episode of it and that was scorpion oh [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► god the ten-year-old is hooked on it so [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► i was in every episode and I have a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► slight now I'm sitting there watching [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► your message hit everyone starts with [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► the little prolong that introduces all [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► the characters by name and shows you [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► their name on the screen and tells you [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► they are [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► I can't [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► after five episodes name any of these [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► people there's there's Walter because [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► everyone calls him Walter there's agent [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► Doggett [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► yes psychiatrist with a hat [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► you mean the Terminator to this would be [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► well-trained just put a hat right Eliza [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► that environment that guy and a great [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► team ash [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► yeah that's right smash smash now David [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► when you have yes he was what i did with [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► many years ago i was i was commuting [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► between LA and San Francisco and when I [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► stayed in San Francisco and stay with my [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► parents and my parents loved the TV show [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► drag and so every night was spent [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► watching various episodes of jag I have [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► no idea what the characters names are in [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► Jack because i gave them all my own [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► yes there will ya is jag yes there is [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► jag and Lady Jags and jen you called her [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► mrs. de jag and Jack's boss and jags [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► friend and those were all the characters [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► in jag [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► oh and my father-in-law would get so [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► angry about this like you would prefer [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► his teeth their names are harder man [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► yeah and everyone is jealous that always [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► obvious its scorpion and scratch jr. [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► yeah that's all happy and tonight's [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► episode and they they've it's not even a [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► related company but they had a crossover [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► with NCIS LA tonight and so Linda hunt [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► shows up on that early huh that's Dan [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► and and not only that it was one of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► these fake jeopardy things of all your [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► we might have to break up the team and [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► we're going to put your all into psych [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► testing and you know but but it has [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► linda hunt on the show and in the hold [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► every time she's in there [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► I'm thinking wow you know NCS la is such [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► a better show and I don't like NCIS [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► yeah it's at least competent it knows [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► what it's doing yes yes it does what it [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► says on the box some more important [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► takeaway here is that it's part of the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► jack universe yes [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► scorpion scorpion I for those who don't [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► know scorpion is about a team of super [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► smart ian's house its team of detectives [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► a great team [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► yes it would be much easier to as much [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► better fit about their either somebody [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► there's her t-there's out to go [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► is a team and services and a half of [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► super smart super-smart professionals [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► who are managed by a scorpion [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► ah the only babies like Charlie and [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► charlie's angels and it turns out you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► just here being the king / yes mr. [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► scorpion likes it is so a this is this [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► is a show made by people who think [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► computers are magical devices controlled [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► by elves [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► speaking of that can I just mention the [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► show that is not out yet but it's going [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► to be the worst show ever and i will [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► watch everything so hot [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► yes do you have you CSI cyber [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► yes here are some details from the cast [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► list you've got Patricia Arquette as [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► avery Ryan cyber psychologist you know [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► she should wear a hat generation like [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► baby as Elijah mundo you've got shad [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► moss who you may know as little bow as [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► cyber hacker and a shape that's not his [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► actual name is codenamed no no his [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► character name is Brody Nelson his role [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► is cyber cyber hacker yeah and KW [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Enderby court enough you've also got [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► Luke Perry oh my god have 2y is going to [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► be that it's you know is it when this [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► day be odd genuine ever CBS case [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► something went one right as soon as [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► scorpion is cancelled i think when I [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► didn't just gotta Pharisees order Raven [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► are here is and Stavros stifter that was [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► Peter metros sifter Stavros Peter make [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► Michael look at every shipping magnate [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► abs app is out of control now this is [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► going to be so great [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► just imagine the people pounding on [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► keyboard frantically i would i would [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► like I would like to anyway scorpions [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► the episode where they were they have to [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► drive fast under a plane and plug the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► ethernet cable in order to save the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► plane because reasons it is amazing and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I can't watch it because it's just it [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► f yeah it kills too many brain cells [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► speaking of NCIS is to NCIS New Orleans [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► competent show Scott Bakula gets to [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► smile so I'm happy about that better [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► project [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah but I maintain that it would [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► be a much more entertaining show if it [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► were scott bakula and a cartoon [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► alligator who walked on two feet and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► spoke with like a crazy Cajun voice and [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► always hungry but they're solving crimes [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► it is an alligator only [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► scott bakula can see no not to tell you [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► later it [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► no it's a talking alligator ok so what [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► we hoped my advice would be yeah and [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► Emeril is there lieutenant [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► yeah you know let's get sky anne rice's [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► they have a supernatural problem me the [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► alligator is at R'lyeh Fontaine you know [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► but they just solve crimes they've [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► probably convertible would be awesome [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► drew brees drops in every now and again [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► to give them like tips [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► yeah i mean frankly just NCIS treme I'd [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► watch that sir david simon on the line [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► i'm sure he'd love to be part of it all [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► is franchise yes David site when I think [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► and I think CBS procedural i think david [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► simon that would be kind of brilliant [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► woman that would be what a combination [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► leslie moonves says hey David Simon I i [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► think we should be in the David Simon [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► business and David side has ok David [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► Simon visit steady paycheck with it [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► turns out heater signed away the DVD [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► rights to the wire [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► so Dave it so CSI the wire i wanted to [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► mention i want to mention a show that I [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► i really enjoyed which is Jane the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► Virgin also on the CW I can't wait is [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► that time so you know ugly betty was a [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► was a telenovela turned into an American [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► show with it was very broad and and and [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► soapy and telenovela and what I love [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► about jane the virgin is that it is [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► unabashedly from a telenovela and [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► actually telenovelas figure in the [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► background plot of the show and yet it [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► keeps an emotional realism that you [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► probably couldn't do if you were [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► spending all the time everything [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► heightened and over-the-top and Jane at [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► the center of the kid that the character [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► is a really interesting grounded person [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► and even though her scenario and the [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► idea is that she's she's saving herself [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► for marriage and then in a series of [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► unfortunate events she is accidentally [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► inseminated so she becomes pregnant at [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► the actors office at the doctor's office [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► and the dog in terms of the doctors the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► sister of the the father of the baby and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► the their day there is the telenovela [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► effective everybody being connected to [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► everybody else in some way but to keep [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► that kind of pot boiling plot advancing [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► while [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► also keeping some really genuine moments [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► of character and emotion is quite a [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► magic trick and they've managed to do it [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► where like the characters likable they [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► all have motivations characters that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► could be cardboard cutout villains [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► suddenly are you understand why they're [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► doing what they're doing and even if you [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► don't agree with it that you like you [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► you like the the father of the baby his [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► wife is so easily could have been a [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► caricature and a villain and yet you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► actually kind of feel for her after two [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► episodes so i'm really liking and I [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► think it I think it's very good and if [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you're not if you're not watching it [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► because you think well one it's on the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► CW two it's not about superheroes and [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► three it's probably it basically telling [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► fellow so it's probably ridiculous it's [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► not it's it's really good it's charming [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► and that's not it is that's not a word I [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► use much for TV i used a lot for me but [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► you use is very way so it is and in and [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► you're casting goes a long way it's [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► funny as that is fantastic [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► she because she's living in this in the [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► telenovelas a part of her life living [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► with her mom and her abuela she's on the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► bus and like the guy in the billboard [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► for the telenovela like talks to her and [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► links that are in things and he's the [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► narrator and it's it's just the way it's [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► done it could it could so easily have [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► been done wrong and instead it's like [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► every decision is the right decision and [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► you end up with this show that is able [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► to walk that line of like honoring the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► these kind of crazy plots and broad [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► ideas of the telenovela while being [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► grounded [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► I don't know how they do it it's amazing [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah so i recommend it james [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► version [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► you should check it out David said David [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► said it was great it was a it was good [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► in words that I overused so there you go [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► David good job I think blackish a [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► half-decent show I was the other one I [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► was going to mention any other than i [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► wanted to i get some yes I laughed I [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► watched watched the first two or three [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► episodes that know that I think the [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► second episode I laughed so hard that I [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► cried twice in one episode and that is I [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► don't do that to comedies and and I've [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► been really impressed with blackish yeah [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► you weren't like really great i'm not [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► just look some parts [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► anytime you agree with pops as a [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► character in that show you may be [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► thinking you're confident you are on the [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► wrong side of history but it's so he's [TS]