The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 215 October 2040 [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason smell [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► and tonight we're gonna be talking about [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► it's literally like part two of [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► something we did a few weeks ago which [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► was the best and worst of Star Trek when [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► we the story is an episode 200 realized [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► i was a big star trek fan of my podcast [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► was almost entirely about Star Wars so I [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► thought I would rectify that by doing [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► some episodes about Star Trek we do best [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► and worst to star trek episode was a lot [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► of fun people really reacted well to it [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► and said I hope you're gonna do more of [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► those and the answer is yes we are going [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► to do more of those this in fact is one [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► of those things that is the more of the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► anyway it's part two of the best for [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► Star Trek i have an excellent panel here [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► very similar to the one I had before [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► with the addition of the person who came [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► up with this idea in the first place and [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► didn't show up the last one so or i [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► guess his internet was really bad for [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► the last one so it wasn't here but he's [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► here tonight [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► its moist uyan I'm is not again Jason [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► the line must be drawn yeah they're [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► sorry no further and I will make you pay [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► for what you've done is you've broken [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► little ships also scott McNulty host of [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► uncomfortable zone random trek is here [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► as you would only expect hi Scott [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► use the Force Luke no mom and i believe [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► i quote Darth Vader when I say no [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► guys let's talk about our favorite [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► boobies you heard that voice you heard [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► was Tony sindelar hi Tony [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► hello nerds yeah fix what is that your [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► new sign on [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► hello nerds that right is that what a [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► lot in real life so let's not let's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► bring it to the internet for most [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► representative and a proponent of Star [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► Trek Voyager on the planet perhaps is [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► brianna when she's back hello what's [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► crack-a-lacking everything you love [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I will destroy that ever cook ok i'll [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► argue for until your mind is my mission [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► and then we leave the arena as friends [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► what do I say we solve ok destroy the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► arena the arena is going oh man i'm the [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► guy in the Big River lizard are na could [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► be don't always and David little David [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Lawrence here you just heard him hi [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► David [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► oh haha home set [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► okay so I'm gonna do my George Takei [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that I didn't do when we did our dirty k [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a bonus track which is san francisco i [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► was born there [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► that's my favorite sealer one target my [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► explosion of joy and fire [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► ok so here's how we're going to do with [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► this is not a draft this is more of a [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► debate club or discussion club i'm going [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► to ask people for their opinions in this [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► case we're gonna get a lot of people who [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► are going to probably agree with [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► specific things and sort of sign on to [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► what that person said if you want to do [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that that's just fine i anticipate that [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► will happen because in some of these [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► cases there aren't that many choices so [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► it'll be an interesting conversation [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► about various aspects of Star Trek and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► we're gonna start with series because [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► that's not controversial at all and I [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► what I've asked my my panelists to do is [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► tell me what they think the best Star [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► Trek series is I know I know and we're [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► going to start with Tony Tony what do [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► you think the best Star Trek series hell [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► man [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► don't worry i will know I browser so [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► confident until then God knows what [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► could go wrong [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► um I will go with the thing that I said [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► on an episode of random track so i don't [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► get caught in some kind of time do i [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► will say that the best series is deep [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► space nine it is not my favorite series [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► but I also i will put forward that it is [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► s-series alright you would you like to [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► talk about that a little bit think this [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► is the draft so I would love for you to [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► do you explain why and then we have [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► wasn't i wasn't sure what was gonna [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► happen we can sign in and attack me or [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► around that will happen to build some [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► kind of makeshift cannon out of bamboo [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► or something how you chose wisely [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► yes thank you thank you that means i [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► chose the same thing Scott exactly yeah [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► i know so i will put for next generation [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► is my favorite star trek but i will put [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► forward the best deep space nine is the [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► best star track in terms of the quality [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► of the primary and secondary characters [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► and perhaps most of all the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► multi-episode arc throughout the later [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► series that really kind of just keep [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► going and have a level storytelling [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► that's not really present in some of the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► earlier Star Trek's where they have [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► these storylines that go on and on and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► on and are interesting and pull you in [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and you know some people don't like to [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► expand its not as much because it's it's [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► a very kind of dark depiction of the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► future where a lot of people are worn [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► your heroes are doing things that are [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► not necessarily very nice and there's [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► there's torture and there's intriguing [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► they're spying and there's conspiracy [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► but I find all those fascinating and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► great and I think that it makes it kind [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► of the deepest and most interesting of [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the star treks let's go deep in the name [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► so it's totally right there [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► yeah it's also space given and nine well [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► heading to the number so it sounded [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► future we probably the biggest digit yep [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► take that the Space Station k-7 yeah [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► Babylon 5 take that that I've war star [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► trek series can we agree for better [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► yeah uh you know I think he's based on [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► one of the things in it is interesting [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► about these people really remember the [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► latter part of the run where they really [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► didn't break the story arc and go dark [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the first few years are not so much that [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► I think we're interested about the first [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► few years of several surgeries [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► well that's true that's true but I mean [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► that was that was when that kind of our [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► story arc storytelling came to the fore [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► was in the last like three years of [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► dudes face so I think we got a little [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► bit of a taste of that even I think [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► early on there was a season break where [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► they had a three-parter and it was like [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► that they took it up a notch in terms of [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► you know we had a couple two partners [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► here and there in a next-gen but it it [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► seemed clear early on that they're going [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► to do some longer longer form stuff so I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► think I think deep space nine has some [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► of the very best starter [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that's ever been made but i also think [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► it's all over the map [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► i I just in tone in the characters are [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► in what the plot lines are and what just [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► the field the show is um and I think the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► experimental episodes just really even [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► in the the vein of Star Trek episodes [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► just don't care right really go for it i [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► mean it really has something wildly out [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► there so I I definitely thinks most [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► experimental star trek i actually got [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► really down this is a bad timing example [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► I got really down on deep space 9 right [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► before they really kicked their story [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► arc storytelling into gear and I i [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► dropped out and i stopped watching and I [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► i believe i haven't even seen like the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► last couple years and decided not to [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► watch it while it was airing LOL i loved [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► next-gen and I love next-gen was like my [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► favorite thing ever [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► as I like a teenager growing up and [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► basically when when Deep Space nine [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► started and when Voyager started I was [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► just angry that they were not more next [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► year and there's even this little with [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you know in the first episode of deep [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► space nine Picard has like a cameo in [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► like one of the first things we learned [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► about cisco is that he doesn't like the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► card and I was like I'm so angry that's [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► not believable [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► everyone loves him he's the best I don't [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► want to watch the whole show up but I [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► went back to it later after it all [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► wrapped up and I've watched it all the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► way through twice and i think it's i [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► think it's really great but you know for [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► a long time it was like after i watch [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the wire was basically angry every [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► television so happy on the wire after [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► that and that was wow you know like [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► sixteen-year-old tony was basically [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► angry at everything else was not Star [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► Trek The Next Generation and even [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► Voyager deep space nine we're not close [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► enough [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the episode that killed me for the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► person i was actually past tense which [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► is from the third season and it is a [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► shameless ripoff of city on the edge of [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► I feel they go back in time it is yeah [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► and I hated it I mean I reacted so [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► negatively to about like that's it i [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► forgot i forget it I'm not gonna even [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► bother and I watched Babylon 5 and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► forgot about star trek to space I i'm [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► slowly watching actually deep space nine [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► now from the point at which i gave up [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and I you know I I've learned to forgive [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► now but it's a fine detective I've gotta [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► say the thing that I like about past [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► tense is that I felt it was a better [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► ripoff of harlan ellison's original [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► script in the act [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► cool scenario sorry no sorry King III [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► thought I don't know I like past tense [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► that's up there is one of like episodes [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► i really enjoyed it it's got some I mean [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► it's got that kind of dystopian [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► commentary where you know that the near [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► future is not gonna be so great right [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► but yea yet it was you know you're mad [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you're finding that you're not a [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► depression and it was like so close to [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► just being like hey that was a good [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► episode let's do that again and it just [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► seemed like a robot to me that they [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► didn't forgive me I wasn't what college [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► grad school whatever I was I was I was [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► young and I was an angry young man I [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► mean I'm sorry angry young fan can't [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► relate to that oh yeah something like [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► you were angry that it wasn't Harlan [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► Ellison maybe you know what be partying [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► Allison was angry that everything is not [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► hardly know ya just remember now i think [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► i think the s9 has my promise ts9 is so [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► many of the characters are you like the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► entire Ferengi subplot is just I cringe [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► every single time because cork is I [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► understand his purpose as a foil they so [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► thoroughly unlikable and like his drama [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► with knock [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► it's just don't you know it's it's again [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► I understand the metaphor you don't have [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the lovable interplay between quark and [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► odo that really I do like that i did [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► last night i got their stuff yeah we [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► don't let's not you know it's like we're [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► going to mobile skeleton your [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► money-grubbing you hate women right we [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► don't really even up another episode [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► where we explore that what we're going [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► to start over human world but that's [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it's not just that I think they also on [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► I think major Kira takes I didn't warm [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► up to her until probably season two and [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► I don't know it feels like it took a [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► while for the scripts to really show her [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► human side but I don't know I found her [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► to be really two-dimensional in the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► first season [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► yeah i think that improve just to show [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► went along but a lot of that our nails [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► are pretty rough yeah she was the shoot [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► but she was drawn more I to Rihanna's [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► point for me more just as shallow as [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► humanly possible showing she was a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► functional character rather than a i [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► want a human being because I mean that [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► would be offensive and racist but sheshe [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► he was not a person of depth until we [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► got into the later seasons we bothered [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► me and I just like the character mostly [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► because it didn't feel like a character [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► felt like it was a it was a a functional [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► place of ice and I don't know sorry that [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► was because like it was supposed to be [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► in centro right and they couldn't get in [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► so the show more character and like they [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► kind of forgot to write stuff for that [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► new character because they thought they [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► were gonna able just slot an existing [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► character in but but yeah either way to [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► get there there's issues there will add [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► depth later [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► yeah well we'll do that and probably did [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► eventually right [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► yeah they they got an episode where she [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► and chief O'Brien get really really [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► uneasy about how much i love my enjoyed [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► him rubbing on her [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► oh my which is to plug my parents on [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► random track is looking at our mind play [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that good Santa not a good empanada good [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► intersection of being together for sodas [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► and click on episodes and no that is not [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► a place to buy random comfortable know [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► Brian episodes to we only let you know [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► what I like rose i love all the things [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that have to happen the chief of the [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► brightest that's right [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► torture for many decades yeah 10 i love [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► two varieties the best and I actually [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► feel bad that he possibly making [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► psychologically destroyed and smiley [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► assplay an alternate version of himself [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► morning in the future [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► yeah he suffers for all of us gets [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► separated for his way he's the Kenny of [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► deep space nine he is the Christ figure [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► obviously I should throw in the my pic [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► was also deep space nine now that is [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► correct as big as much as much of a [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► next-generation devotee as as i am and i [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► watch that show from from a young age [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► when it began until it ended and it was [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► it was a very big thing for me for me [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► deep space nine the experimental stuff [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► that I got into even when it wasn't [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► necessarily TV its best or even Star [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Trek at its best [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► it didn't it didn't feel as much based [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► on a similar template of something that [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► had come before and that not knowing [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► what was necessarily going to come next [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► where I think it was at the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► this is a tip of my hand to something [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► that I'm gonna mention later but the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► episode that is the lane is rob episode [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► just came out of left field for me where [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► there's this whole Valjean in Javert [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► thread going through it and the the [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► thing about the series was that it ran [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► straight at some of those things that if [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► it were played a little bit differently [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► could be considered a bit too [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► on-the-nose are trying a bit too hard [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► and it ended up working and it was it [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► was like watching a disparate grouping [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► of amazing theater actors getting to [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► work together in in ways that we hadn't [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► gotten in a Star Trek series up until [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► that and that was that was fresh enough [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► and different enough for me that I i was [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► i was absolutely devoted to it and it [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► going see realized in later seasons only [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► doubled my interest in paying attention [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► to it i can go along with that just [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► because it it it seemed to have like the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► most interesting guest casting it was [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► Uncle cast series and that's exactly [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► right it'sit's very much as theater kind [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► of both in terms of casting and in terms [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► of the writing there's there's a little [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► more of this theatrical drama and part [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► of it is just because they were able to [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► build and enrich elaborate so there's a [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► lot of size nine here and i agree it's a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► good show tonight make a nice guy [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► ok can you refresh our and is not my [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► favorite show get chaos offer some [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► mornings I think you're against it as [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► far yeah the best Star Trek series [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► um I think Cisco did a good job at I [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► feel like you did a really unique spin [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► on Captain [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► I think we'll probably touch on him for [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► best captains if we get to that [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► that said I think as far as being an [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► icon i think on this list of all the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► captain's I think he and Archer kind of [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► tied for the least interesting captain [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► is a character um I know every time it [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► was like who the emissary got into this [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► mysticism part of it it just it went to [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► a place I couldn't go to it's like a [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► science-fiction fan I I think [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► aesthetically I know when I watch star [TS]

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00:14:44 ◼   ► I'm looking for the artists that kind of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► create this world to create a really [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► cool aesthetic my CT ng SE gorgeous work [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► when I si voy dressy gorgeous work [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► because the same workers the energy yeah [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► what exactly and I find the world of [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► deep space nine meaning you know that [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► the architecture of this space station [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and interiors and even the Defiant I [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► think it's the least appealing visual [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► star trek world and i also think that [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► with the ships and characters that they [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► brought into the series of the life of [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► it i think it's some of the week work in [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► an artistic sense and i think it was [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► god I was gonna say i would suggest that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► some of that is like intended to be that [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► way right because the station is [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► supposed to be this Cardassian thing and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► it's very drab and yeah I guess it's [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► harder to defend the Defiant except that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► perhaps it's a it's a military vessel [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► and therefore it's right you know [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► oh yeah so I think there's that um I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► think that there are you something I [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► look for strong female characters and I [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► think that definitely exists on the show [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► I think major career on hold her own [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► with anyone i think the treatment of [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► dats in later seasons was extremely [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► problematic [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► yeah you know I felt like I feel like [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► there are other star tracks that [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► represent women better than deep space [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► nine yet at times [TS]

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00:18:23 ◼   ► you have a choice for best series i do [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► indeed and it is not deep space 9 [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► well that'll make this more interesting [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► than well it's unfortunate as much as I [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► love it and I do love it but if you [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► think about it next generation took [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► about three seasons to get good deep [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► space nine took about three seasons [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► Voyager enterprise even took three [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► seasons [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► there's only one show that nailed it [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► right off the bat and then took three [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► seasons to get bad and we exactly five [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► yeah but yes so that that's the first [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► reason i picked the original series [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the second reason is i can watch it over [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and over [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► over and over again and I can watch it [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► in any order I want pretty much I don't [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► have to have all the backstory and [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► thirdly if it weren't for that we [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► wouldn't have four other series to talk [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► about you know that fandom that whatever [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► the lightning in a bottle they caught [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► even just the first two seasons whatever [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► that was was so powerful that it kept it [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► alive for 10 years without any new [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► content unless you can't the animated [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► series I like the animated series you [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► like it so much maybe you should take it [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► hey not not the great thing that we [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► wouldn't have huh [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► hey it but you know we we wouldn't still [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► be talking about it [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► 45 years later we wouldn't have hundreds [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► of novels and comic books and 1212 [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► movies 12 movies and a park official [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► animated series [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► there's something about that just that [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► basic concept that works and everything [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► is judged against it you know deep space [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► nine is to boldly stay where no one has [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► stayed before you know voyager is [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► basically let's do the original again [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► just in a new part of space that we [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► haven't explored the next generation is [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► let's do the same thing you know it [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► enterprises we've never been out here [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► before let's do the same thing so you [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► know without that that at the heart we [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► would have anything else [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► hello i would argue in fact that that if [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► you look at the casting of all success [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► of Star Trek series and they all have [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► their strengths [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► I feel like they're all really trying to [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► recapture that Kirk Spock McCoy magic [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► and i would argue that none of them do [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► they all have their strengths yes but I [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► think none of them managed to nail [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► because again i think it's one in a [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► million and that's why star trek [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► survived is because they got that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► one-in-a-million with those characters [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► and and I'm I'm with you there to this [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► would be my choice as well partially [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► because it's sentimental and I grew up [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► with it partially it's because yes all [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► of them are watchable i love the I love [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the aesthetic i love the the fan shows [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► that the star trek continues and all [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that they making out [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► with that with that set in southern [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► Georgia that they built in a warehouse [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► that looks exactly like the original how [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► many how many fan-made next generations [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► and voyagers and deep space nine is out [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► there you know [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► yeah there aren't you know it's the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► route it's the root myth of Star Trek is [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► this is the stuff i will say i just [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► watched where no man has gone before [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► which is the second pilot and I of the [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► original series and I was amazed at how [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► much they got in like how much of the [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► star trek mythos is there in the second [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► pilot [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► yeah it's cause not everybody right it [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► is fully formed they do have much nicer [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► comfy looking uniform yes I get the [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► impression that they tried to wash them [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and they fell apart like no uniforms now [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► yeah the James our rightful lure James [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► Parker is a well that just proves that [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► Gary Mitchell wasn't perfect yeah and [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► then the crazy the crazy like metal [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► telescoping things off the captain's [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► chair and spotty showers a lot and I [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► know I I women i'm with Amanda Rose is [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► not to say that they are not horror that [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► you know that there are so many horrible [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► episodes of the original series and yet [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► I find them even generally watchable [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► yeah and after the empath except i can't [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► I cannot Spock's brain till the cows [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► come home you know watch the pit [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you can watch Spock's brain man yeah [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► bring and bring one is bracing for [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► Campion fight and stopwatch Neelix's [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► lungs i guess yeah box brain that you [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► can watch them at the same time though [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► because they're different parts of the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► body any other thoughts about about the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► original series before I want a water or [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► I will say my thoughts or worse [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► all right we'll come back that's going [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► to get more teasing the future we will [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► not and we will not miss the arena is [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► going to be destroyed [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► I age transwarp Drive alright take us to [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► the Future Rihanna alright go ahead and [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► pick Voyager alright i love love [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► literature i love voyager i think people [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► that hate Voyager or irrational and I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► have just ok so i think there are [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► several measures of what makes against [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► our track I think there's production [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► values i think their story I think [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► there's character development [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► biosynthetic there's like like [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► mathematical measures of it like what is [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the average quality of an episode and I [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► feel like if you look at TNG there's a [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► wild wild wild like fluctuation between [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► like first season and the best of both [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► worlds [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► it's certainly true TOS is truth vs 9 um [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► and I feel like by the time [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Voyager came along I felt like they [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► understood their production pipeline [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► better to a point that there is a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► certain base level of quality to the [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► episodes in the the makeup and special [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► effects and the acting and frankly the [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► script quality that I think it's on [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► average they're very very few episodes [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► blender they're flat-out unwatchable in [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► my opinion [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► um I like the characters more than any [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► other star track i realized that [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► subjective but i do think it has a much [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► more diverse cast than many other star [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► tracks [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► um yeah which i enjoy i also think that [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the epic battles that they went up [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► against like to the board plot lines [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► were excellent and I just love this [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► entire series where they have an [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► overarching storyline and as they move [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► towards this storyline like you get more [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► technology and you get deeper into these [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► characters and you know Harry grows into [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► more than insecure incident yet Tom [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► Paris grows into a father in a you know [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► a loving husband and stuff like this [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► just reckless criminal spawn for all the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► people right Voyager because they [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► haven't seen right right I they don't [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► deserve to be away of course they don't [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► get pretty much say any of the people [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► who hate it because they have seen it as [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Worf would say there is no honor in [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► spoiler warnings you could say anything [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► about the six and seven seasons of [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► Voyager there are people who believe [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that oh yeah that was applied [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► Wow go watch that but that's I mean it [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► doesn't matter how bad start your guts [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► it's always a base level of enjoyment so [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► i have to tell you guys when you say oh [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► I bailed out of that at that point [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► that's hard for me to understand because [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► even the worst star trek like [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► feel like I've watched all the animated [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► series because it's the cannon and I [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► want to understand it so it may not be [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the cabin but you know that but there [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► are somebody else stands up something I [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► wanted to throw in an invoice defense [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► one of the problems that it ran into was [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► in some markets the station that was [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► carrying paramount was going erratic and [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► part of the reason that I dropped out of [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► it wasn't that I hated the show [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► necessarily though like a lot of Trek [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► fans at the outside of news stories [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► recorded 10 Gonzalo and grew but I [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► actually watched the pilot was like this [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► is actually pretty good [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► what are the one of these bad reviews [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► about what's the deal with this but then [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► they started bouncing around and I I had [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► trouble catching it wasn't as regular it [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► was it was not necessarily always the [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► same night the same time the way the TNG [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in deep space nine work for me and of [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► course that got radically worse when [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► enterprise came around but i think that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► was something that had unfairly going [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► for it just because it was it was not [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► always consistently airing in every [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► single market around the country even [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► even the pilot it deep the pilot did not [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► err where I lived I had to drive to a [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► friend's house in another state to watch [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► the pilot huh [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► and that was the first episode try to [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► disappointment haha it's got a metaphor [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► because he's traveling far away that he [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► couldn't get back an hour [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► that's right that took me seven years so [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► I'm not angry [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► that's a Voyager I'm just disappointed [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► in it because i think that it could have [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► been great and sure people can believe [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► that it is great because of course you [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► know This Is opinion but it wasn't and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► that's unfortunate but what specifically [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► I wait I don't really like to understand [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► what you find bad about other than the [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► plots the characters of the concept is [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► pretty good [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► uh-huh what well yeah I i will suit so I [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► what I think and I was listening to your [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► random practice around and you were [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► talking about how you kind of I came to [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► you came to Voyager without like a super [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► encyclopedic knowledge of previous Star [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► Trek's right is that accurate scrap [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► ok so i think your context of seeing [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► Voyager has a clean slate was [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► is very different from the context of of [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► many people who had been watching since [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the first year of next-generation for me [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► as somebody who's been watching star [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► track my all my life but especially [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► watching this this particularly this [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► production team produced this series of [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► shows i felt like the Voyager especially [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► a lot of the Brandenburg APIs odor Leon [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► I felt like they were sucking wind that [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► they literally like they had what they [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► had been working on the show on star [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► trek in various forms for more than a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► decade and they had really run out of [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► ideas were scraping the bottom of the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► barrel and we're recycling lots of old [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► plots from old star trek series so which [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► would've been recycled a couple times [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► before that already right soso and and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► this is a theory I had it when I was [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► listening to random Trek episode is I [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► think maybe it was it was all new to you [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and you didn't have that jaded feeling [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► that I had which is like oh good [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► Brandenburg is writing another one of [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► these episodes that he always writes Ron [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► Moore is writing another one of those [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► episodes that he always right and maybe [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► that's I mean maybe that's why the past [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► tense episode of deep space nine doesn't [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► bother because you know I've seen [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► sitting on the edge of forever but I [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► probably haven't seen out five times yes [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► is the suspect who [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► well the the singular nature of people [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► writing things is much more common in [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► british TV in the the star trek shows [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► were all writers room shows so just [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► because Ron Moore was credited as the [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► writers I mean it was a Klingon episode [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► yet he probably wrote every day yeah but [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► and Brandon braga always had a weird [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► thing involving time and you know but [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the point is the this is largely the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► same group of writers for like a decade [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► and any TV show that last decade unless [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► they totally turn over their writing [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► staff it's gonna you know it's sort of [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► declines over time because they sort of [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► done it all and they're trying to find [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► ways to stay novel and that was my [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► reaction to Voyager when it was on was [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► was not a problem with the characters [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► although yeah eric is kind of boring and [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► they do dumb things with Chakotay but it [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► was sort of like I felt like I i was [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► expecting this show to be different [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► because of the premise because they were [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► getting them out of the well-trod area [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► of deep space nine in next-generation [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► where we had seen everything and nothing [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► was on the frontier anymore and I felt [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► like what I got was a lot of rehashed [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► next-generation episodes which is a [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► waste of the premise so that was where I [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► came from when I was watching voyager I [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► didn't watch the last whatever two or [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► three years so you know again this is [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► something that is worth of netflix [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► revisit that was writing for that's a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► really interesting opinion I thought of [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► it that way [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► yeah but when i when i got my hands on [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the dvds that my brother loan to me I [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► dug into a lot of things that people who [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► picked out is really great seven of nine [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► episodes because the way that they [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► marketed her introduction of the series [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► turned me off in in respect that it just [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► it felt like they were going hey check [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► it out it's this girl and bodies organ [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► isn't she awesome isn't she gorgeous and [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► when I actually got to watch the [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► episodes she it's it's the extension of [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► the hue Eyeborg a thing from the annex [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► generation but with a remarkable amount [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► of depth that I couldn't possibly [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► imagine because of course I hadn't seen [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► the damn episodes and I think that [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► really is you know I people people with [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► very strong opinions about it have very [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► strong opinions about it i would say the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► majority of people that really slam on [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► Voyager it has to be that most of these [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► people have not actually watched more [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► than maybe half a season with a purpose [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► well i would say you can watch a couple [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► seasons and be disappointed but it did [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► last 7 also i was going to mention that [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► I thought the monkey thing was a really [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► nice wrinkle and somebody in the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► chatroom just mentioned it and that's [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► one of those words are disappointed me [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► in that they're there a while in the in [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► the helixes long episode you mentioned [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► this on random track it's like four [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► episodes in and they're like a happy [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► crew and it's like realities that like [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► you threw away a really interesting [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► character dynamic because you're afraid [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► you're going to have conflict it's it's [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► I just end and again that doesn't mean [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the show wasn't good it means that I was [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► set up for disappointment because i had [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► expectations that were not that were not [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► met [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► no I think that's really fair i think [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that's really fair I did say is just an [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► argument for it i think so it really [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► destroyed me about enterprise is I felt [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► like artistically and aesthetically I [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► think that show failed i think like the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► look of the uniforms as bad i don't [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► think the amex design is particularly [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► good you just hate audiences with you [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► and just a nice but I feel like boys or [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► even like if you disagree with the plots [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► and all that date it is a really superb [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► startrack aesthetically I think the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► voyager is the most beautiful star trek [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► ship except for maybe the Prometheus and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► a few other designs i think if you just [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► look at the special effects in series i [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► think they're they're uniformly better [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► than anything except for the movies and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I just think week to week it had a [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► strong production night because like you [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► said Jason I'm looking at in Reverse so [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► I look at tos and it's really hard to [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► look past the editing of the Goron see [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► which is a jump you know however some of [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► the some of the makeup which is frankly [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► awful and to me it's kind of hard to get [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► past that limited production value as [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you go backwards like the cg in the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► first few seasons of TNG it's it's not [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► even half with no cgt it's just mine but [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► yeah well like the encounter at Farpoint [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like you know that has a CG net out [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► there it's some songs today [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► oh no that's terrible right thats that's [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► almost it was almost entirely model [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► working yeah that was the brother was [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► not good that just cg fishing net thing [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► from space [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Scott do you have are you signing onto [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► one of these series is as the best do [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you have another choice [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► well i mean i think that deep space nine [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► is the best series but I've talked about [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► this before on Randy very soon [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► do you hear her there's I think the best [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► series and the one that you hold dearest [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► to you which might not be the best one [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and for me that is the next generation [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► because that's when i first started [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► watching Star Trek and I got turned on [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► to it and so when I think Star Trek I [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► think jean luc picard I think Riker and [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► you know Deanna Troi and crush these are [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► the characters you mean star trek to me [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► so i will since Tony picked ds9 and even [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► though this is not a draft i will i will [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► wave the flag of the next generation for [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► bringing back all of the hope and the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► promise that was in Star Trek and if you [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► get past the first season it's good and [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► pioneering a lot of things that became [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► staples of ds9 and four [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► major that followed at the cliffhanger [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► episodes the UH the the not necessarily [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► entirely self-contained stuff not going [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► all the way to the serialization that [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► came late in deep space nine and we got [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► bits of invoice juror and not very [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► well-executed bits of an enterprise [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► there there were there were things that [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► next generation inducted into the star [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► trek fabric that granted Roddenberry was [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► around for a good enough chunk of next [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► generation but he was involved enough to [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► a point that the writers room actually [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► got a chance to introduce some some [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► dangerous concepts and of course in the [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► case of best of both worlds something [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► that they thought they were all getting [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► fired and well we're probably not gonna [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► have to figure out a way to get out of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► this or where to go after this so [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► screwed good luck to the next guy and as [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► a result of that kind of throwing [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► caution to the wind ended up doing this [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► stuff that made people love the show [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► we're staying safe and just trying to do [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► nothing but red TOS as they tried [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► repeatedly and poorly in the first [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► couple seasons just wasn't working some [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► of the failures that they saw a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► next-generation for the reason that the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► series that came after it existed so I i [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► wouldn't be able to pick deep space nine [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► different work for next-generation I [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► mean it came along and and really [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► cemented it as an industry to say it's [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► not just a bunch of people writing books [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► and comic books and trying to keep it [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► alive it's like no there's an audience [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► for this and they want more and they [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► want even more [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► yeah just playing devil's advocate I i [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► would actually bring TNG is probably the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► second worst to the hilltop dr those is [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► Briana's list is the opposite of mine [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► essentially brianna is mirror universe [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► matter-antimatter cases i'm going to [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► grow a beard wait which one of you is [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► the good one is definitely jason says [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that was wearing a sash then we'll know [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► did you know who's got an agony booth I [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► feel like because TNG is a product of [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the eighties just like you can look at [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► voyager is very much product of the the [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► nineties and i feel i feel like i let [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► you know when you tune into like an [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► eighties action with a your kind of sick [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► surprised by how trusting and gleeful [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► and like believing of authority like the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► people it is that there's a cheery trust [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► that's there that's a little modern and [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► do you know what I mean like there's a [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that kind of b-movie quality to it and I [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► feel like that really exists throughout [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► TNG and I feel like if you're not [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► watching it having actually watched it [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► at the time I think you look back at it [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► and it's in this weird zone between like [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► TLS is so campy that you kind of like [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► just laugh at it because it's a it's an [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► example like sixties camp and it's [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► almost entertaining in the sexist [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► sometimes and then you have like you go [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► all the way forward and enterprises more [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► serious like it's full on dry and i feel [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like because it was made in the eighties [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► in this in-between era of that doesn't [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► make sense to you like it's it's kind of [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► a little cheesy at times it's it does [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► have some really weird tone shifts where [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► it goes super goofy one episode and then [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► goes you know if we don't get this [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► treaty through the universe's do and [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► there's going to be war which we're not [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► going to do in this series we'll leave [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► that for deep space nine a series that [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that openly courts conflict and actual [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► emotions and breakdowns of diplomatic [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► stuff we live in a utopian bubble where [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► there's nothing wrong and we don't even [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► have money will be yeah everything's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► there's probably nothing on the fringe [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► that's different than this i mean it's [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► hard to pick apart the fact that the the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► original series was first announced in [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► the sixties and next-generation was in [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► the eighties and early nineties and and [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that by the time these other series i [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► mean the series were built on the backs [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► of those shows but at the same time they [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► were able to evolve and go beyond the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► basic scope of Gene Roddenberry and that [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► makes them difficult to calibrate [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► because you know I i again i would i [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► would say that with next-generation [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► hadn't succeeded next generation is the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► show that has in some ways the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► second-biggest hold on popular culture [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► in that people really like that was a [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► breakout hit across a broad spectrum of [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► people but it also was the you know [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► eighties dentist office bridge and all [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► those things and and was Gene [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► Roddenberry's hand was on it [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► and you can feel that the the everything [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► is perfect and we wear jumpsuits when [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► they started to pry his fingers up after [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► eat sort of pulled back that's when he [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► got good that's when it got good and i'm [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► a star trek just like any science [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► fiction is best when it's reflecting the [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► culture that it's in so I mean this is [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the original series deals with many [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► things that people were thinking about [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► the sixties and it was a very [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► progressive show for the sixties right [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► and and the next generations of its time [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► they're all of its time so it's hard to [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► tanaka show because it was made 45 years [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► yeah well and and I mean I've been [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► looking at this for a while now just no [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► TV in general has I mean there's a real [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► growth of sophistication and [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► storytelling and style yeah yeah you [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► know so i can i can sort of step back [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► and go yeah it's it's they're wearing [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► pajamas its cardboard sets but I just [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► look past that like when I see the the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► new remastered episodes of the original [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► series with the fancy effects and the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► planets that look realistic and the the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► swooping camera shots and it doesn't [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► look great because it doesn't match the [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► rest of the the aesthetic it's it's good [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► it's well done they did a great job but [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► it's not right it doesn't look right [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I don't I don't mind you know I don't [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► mind the the cheesiness of it because [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► it's just it'sit's the story I you know [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► but there's a fit the story like you can [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► look at the best of TLS like which would [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► be wrath of khan which I know is a movie [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► but that was their best story and you [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► can look at the best of TNG which is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► best about worlds are the best of inner [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► Voyager and there's a certain move [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► timelessness to the conflict and acting [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► and you completely buy into that [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► universe [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► whatever gets my message braces as i [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► watch TNG I feel like they're acting the [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► same way when I watch an eighties cop [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► show it feels like acting and I I think [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► it's best I don't feel that way but I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► feel that way a lot watch it [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► so although i would say I I wouldn't [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► pick either one of those as the best [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► episodes of either one [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► it's okay we're gonna move on my set [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► Moyes is you already stipulated ds9 if [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► if I could the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► the one thing that I had prepared that I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► wanted to say about the space tonight [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► its brief ok it's actually a response to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► to something that got thrown slung at me [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► i'll say in the chat room just now I [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► have been constantly accused of not [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► being a real star trek fan because i [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► love deep space nine and this is this is [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► something that I i take head-on as very [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► much the reason that I like the space [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► nine so much is that the things that [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that a lot of people stand by as well [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► Roddenberry would not have liked that [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► show period end of story because the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► future is a utopia and isn't going to be [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► great in the future when there is no [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► conflict and no conflict does not an [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► interesting story make the wrath of khan [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► is not a goes back 20 story if you if [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you cite the the kind of classic things [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► that are the best examples of Star Trek [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► and things from tos and everything [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► really the best things from TOS that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► people cite all the time are the times [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► when it broke pattern and actually made [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► a substantive change for the ongoing the [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► ongoing myth [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► sometimes I think people get into this [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► run Barry culture Roddenberry and what [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they're really exciting is the first [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► season the next generation which is not [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► does not match up with the original [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► series in most cases either but that's [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► also i mean yeah that nobody gets to [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► tell anybody how to be a fan or what [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► their fandom is that just does not [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► allowed unless you accidentally pick [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► like sequence is your favorite I'm yeah [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► that's when you're out that you're [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► probably don't forget that don't and [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► some Darwinian my favorite character [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► yeah i like that i like the dolphin [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► character in sadar what you need and so [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► Darwin is that you have a name dammit [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► tony i do not know his name [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► I'm a real structure okay and he just [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► wants to understand what it is to be [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► human but I hate dolphins it's one of [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► those is definitely yeah racist honest [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► but when it really comes down to it the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► the reason that i love deep space nine [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► so much is that you know the the things [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► that i mentioned a minute ago about it [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► not being not being afraid to keep you [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► off guard and have characters that were [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► not perfect [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► uh [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► echoes of characters that came before [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► next generation or TOS even in cases [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► where unfortunately that led to them [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► being cardboard for a while I Kira that [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► you didn't necessarily know what to [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► expect and different turns that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► different characters might take whether [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► it was guest stars or core series [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► characters when it came to major [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► conflicts that erupted or divided [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► loyalties or just the the fact for me [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► the Deep Space nine was the first series [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► to really have an ongoing character like [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► Derek in it for me is what cemented it [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► as you know what this this is the one [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► that we'll see what happens after and [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► there are lots of things I like about [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► what came before but that was interested [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► in telling compelling stories that [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► decided that decided that it was okay to [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► turn conflict on its head and everything [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► didn't have to be black and white Cold [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► War good evil [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► alright I am going to stipulate the [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► original series as David did and say [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► that my second would like at like Scott [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► would have been the next generation so [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► totally mirror of Brianna up so let's [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► let's very quickly because we're gonna [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► run out of things to argue about if we [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► don't argue faster Tom Snyder with [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► series so let's talk about the let's [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► talk about the the work the worst series [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► we'll just throw bomb and walk away [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► quite frankly tell us why and then we'll [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► just move on to the next one but i'm [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► gonna let Brianna go first here so throw [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► it throw it go get quick stab me in the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► heart to do is stand [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► I don't understand how reasonable adult [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► can fill that he left the best series it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► is double let's flashback to when I [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► picked her cuz my favorite character and [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► I heard you gasped audibly his second [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► favorite character is misogyny okay look [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► just mathematically fact let me see my [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► husband's 14 years older than I am I [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► watched fds pls a lot [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► ok come home is watching I thought you [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► were gonna just started and stopped at [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► 14 years old right haha [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► people's interpretation is that actually [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► oh no i've seen these upsets a lot more [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► kids my will frequently man i'm amazed [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► by how bad the average episode of TLS is [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► and there's a really good episode like [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► sitting on the edge of forever or [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► balance of power like when it's good [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it's really good but you don't like the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► editing is uneven special effects are [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► bad [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the editing i can't say enough bad [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► things about the anything who edited the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Gorn fight [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► who in their right mind f is it that [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► when what world was exciting back i was [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► paid entirely in gin alley undergoing [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► find one of the one of the most iconic [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► fights not [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► yeah absolutely is it so far imagine how [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► bad everything else was that this was [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► good i think the Gorn fight actually was [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► a problem or with the coverage that they [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► shot than the editing because it's like [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► they got a guy who can't move in a big [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► costume and then i won't shatter running [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► around and got that gives rocks and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► they're like I don't even know what to [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► do with this right i'm not sure the [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► editor is fault there anyway and get it [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► is iconic and i love it so there haha [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► nostalgia is a hell of a drug yep it is [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► and i was going to say Brianna you with [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► the problem is you need to not watch [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► this under duress that that will cover [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► your entire experience shackles [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► generally have an adverse effect on your [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► opinion of something there [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► they're all good in their own way i like [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► all star trac period but I just I think [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► like as far as qualities the works there [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► are also barely any women in TLS and [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► this is why i think the movements are so [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► much better because they you know they [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► bring these complex to the forefront [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► um I actually think Star Trek on [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► whatever they call the new when they're [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► making that sound stage you're talking [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► about by introducing the counselor [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► character that raises my interest in the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► series very sharply um but I just think [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► it's it's so campy it's so bad it's it's [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► I just I don't know how you can claim [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► this the best on track [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► all right your-your-your complaints are [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► noted okay Scotty duly noted Scott [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► layaway [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► what kind of universal million where [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► someone is pics favorite series a [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► Voyager least favorite of the original [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► where craziness this is bringing his [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► universe were all just living in it i [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► figured i was certain that we could all [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► agree on at least this that the without [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► a doubt the undisputed worst series [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► instructor history is enterprise you you [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► start with the theme song and that's [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► really my argument ends and started haha [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► that's about where i stopped watching [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► tips that works for me and Scott you [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► made the point on several episodes of [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► random correct you've got you've got [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► scott bakula who is a fairly win a [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► likable actor and you give him you make [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► him grumpy and unapproachable great idea [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► I think I say that all the time it's [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► like you take one of the most likable [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► you know I mean Sam want to believe it [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► will be a beautiful character [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► let's mammogram because yeah and he [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► never smiles the only time he ever has [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► fun is that mirror universe episode and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► it's a blast [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► it's no good ok I think seasons three [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► and four of enterprise are underrated I [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► I'd radically underrated yes the lab [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► will that last season with Manny Coto [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► running it and and making it [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► let's pick up all the little threads [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► from the original series and make it [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► sort of the bridge to the original [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► series rather than making it i would [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► actually go and say this is one of those [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► examples to of the exhausted writing [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► staff because by those last two seasons [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► of of enterprise the exhausted writing [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► staff was gone and it was mostly newer [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► writers and you could see that they were [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► trying new things that bring brandon [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► Braga and Rick Berman were much less [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► involved or not involved and then they [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► came back for the finale which was [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► terrible the the thing the thing for me [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► with with enterprise is once Manny Coto [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► got the rains that show got [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► exponentially more consistent and yeah [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► it is why is why i will say loud and [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► proud code or GTFO it's it's too bad [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that in fact ironically the show that i [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► didn't know why it existed right when i [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► got to the point where they cancelled it [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► was when I thought oh I actually like [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► watching this again and then it was gone [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► it was like Enterprise just got there [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► and they killed it and I wanted to learn [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► more about that temporal Cold War that's [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► oh my god so bad and and yet you know [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the two partner in the mirror universe [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► was awesome [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► yeah it certainly had a high point so [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► I'm not gonna say was all bad and the [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► final season was great not just because [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► it was last season but going in that's [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► what we thought but it turned out it was [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► actually not bad [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the best episode was the last because it [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► can start from 101 wait such a bad last [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► episodes and such a bad episode [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► yeah that's what it's got my I think you [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► think you made a popular choice but [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► let's move on moist you have a you have [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► a choice for worst Star Trek series you [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► can sign onto one of these if we have to [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► pick em you do it's it is our way if i [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► have to pick its I you know airing in [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► different markets and everything be [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► damned if i had to put Voyager [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► enterprise on an even keel [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► I unfortunately have to sign on with [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► enterprise to because when i actually [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► went back and watched the first couple [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► seasons of Voyager it's actually way [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► better than people had had said that it [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► was first couple seasons of enterprise [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► get endlessly mired in you know what we [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► need [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► guess what guys everything was building [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► a nice head of steam we had some great [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► character work going on we need to do [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► some of this boring temporal Cold War [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► crap again [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► yeah for no good reason and and it [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► showed how totally embattled that show [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► was where you know you look at the [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► special features on the blu-rays they've [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► been putting out where they've been very [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► candid about what a frog production it [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► was where they had like 25 year-old [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► executives in the network going [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► hey so is there like any way that we [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► could have their be like a band playing [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► on the ship where every week we have [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► like muse come in and they're like [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► future muse and play a song or something [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► that that that that Vulcan check is [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► pretty hot how about some like [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► decontamination shell that they could [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► get on naked and rub it on each other [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► that'd be cool man [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► I mean it could be like the Sailor Moon [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► transformation sequence but way [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► exploitive [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► ok so that's another vote for enterprise [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► another brick in the wall Tony what's [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► your what's your choice [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► I yeah i'll just throw another brick in [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► the wall is I don't think I've seen less [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► than one entire episode of enterprise so [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that's not a spare but it on my break is [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► alright you you should see the mirror [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► episode it was that it was really [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► Brianna you've convinced me to give [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► voyageur a chance and I'm going to do [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► that already is that time I don't I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► don't I don't need somebody coming out [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► of the woodwork as element enterprise [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the only people i don't know really an [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► enterprise have taste profiles that are [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► not compatible as the night the most [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► diplomatic way huh [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► they don't like good stuff i have a [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► power song on my ipod for when I'm i do [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► you know when you're out running and [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► you're like I can't go any further and [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► then you'd like you kicking your power [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► song is the enterprise theme song for [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► the mirror mirror episode because it's [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► so awesome that you feel like the world [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► is gonna end i will check that out maybe [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► the best thing that ever prize has not [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► for us is a single mp3 file his goods up [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► the computer and the last yeah but last [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► season it's not added until the aliens [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► when it is very bad [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► yeah the lens I like to like it secretly [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► web i wish to Paul had been on deep [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► space 9 [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► she's good she was wasted character down [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► tremendously raised a lot of land [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► characters on enterprise though and and [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► then and then even like Scott Bakula [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► gets wasted but a lot of plans character [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► Porthos he's cute [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► you did nice dog but like Tucker and [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► tucker and and and travis and then I [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► mean we're gonna have another guy are [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like all interchangeable boring guys I [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► do like dr. phlox well dr. phlox's fun [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► I'm supposed dog into space i mean the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► Russians did that that's like show G but [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► like bringing a dog to the workplace [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► you're that guy who's got his dog in his [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► cubicle and then the it comes to [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► meetings with you [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► he's the captain to do it once yet you [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► know what I worked for that guy and that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► was that [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► yeah I don't have don't need my escapism [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► to have that guy like I grew I grew up [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► with a beagle i have a beagle I would I [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► was like the captain has a friggin [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► beagle [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► come on guys that is such hardcore fan [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► service [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► in JJ Abrams first Star Trek movie [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► there's actually a reference to [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► enterprise of all things and it's that [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► Scotty reveals that he accidentally were [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► not actually he tested his transport [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► technology on Admiral archers beagle and [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► and and Kirk says what happened he says [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► I'll tell you when it reappears months [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► off from the animal of history aa-t you [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► killed the UQ technically they're not [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► eviscerated the patterns just a group [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► that integrated in the bumper that's the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► way I want to go but I you know that [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► they will reappear in a Dyson Sphere [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► will be kind of find that the little [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► things that I did like about enterprise [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► unfortunately just those first two [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► seasons dragged down and possibly i [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► really did dig the idea of hey let's do [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► an away mission and wearing baseball [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► caps and we've got the dog it's you know [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► working like a barbecue later whatever [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► enterprise bitch you know I David what's [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► your choice i look at characters like [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► Neelix and Harry Kim and and Chakotay [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and i still have to pick enterprise that [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► was close friend and I'll also the first [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► three seasons I just it is boring it is [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it's just I don't know it's it's it's [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► like this time suck you know and I find [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► myself reading or you know hey once [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► what's what's over here and oh there's [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► still a show on ok watching episodes of [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► quantum leap you yeah well thinking [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► about how would this have been really [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► good if Sam Beckett leaped into Archer [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► and then he would be fun but you know [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► again once Manny Coto comes in [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► boom yeah I just too late and oh you let [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► it's just I can't I can't watch it [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► I mean I go back I'm picking a voyager [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► episodes that I haven't watched I still [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► can't get through that first couple of [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► seasons of enterprise you know I get how [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I I watched one because it was on random [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► track and I wanted to be able to follow [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► the conversation and and it was fine [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► is that the one where dr. see where [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► everybody's asleep you [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► dr. flies good see that's what that's a [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► blog site before those has a good part [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► in that too [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► yeah and attempted to dream to play i'm [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► i'm there and then two-thirds way [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► through it goes oh by the way this is [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► still an enterprise plot and God would [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► eject you had you were going you were [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► going somewhere enterprises basically [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► gotten four votes out of out of out of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► the five we've had so far so I think [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► it's with you it has won this election [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► of shame [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► so as a result from my pic as the last [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► voter i'm just going to take the [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► animated series because that's not even [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► star trek it doesn't even count [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► forget it Oh Cindy and James do James [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► doing does all the voices though all the [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► voices every last one so let's move on [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► it and we've been going for an hour so I [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► want this to move quickly there are not [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► that many to choose from [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► you're gonna you're gonna give me your [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► choice and a few sentences about it and [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► then everybody else just needs to we'll [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► just we'll do this quickly but we're [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► going to talk about the movies there are [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► many movies to choose from [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► I wanted i'm going to go through and ask [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► you for your favorite and then i'm going [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► to go through and ask you for what you [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► think the worst star trek movie is and [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► we're going to start with is the worst [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► the best start with the best we're gonna [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► end on a negative note so we'll start [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► with the best and this could be you know [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► again it's not the raft [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► what would you like to see what would [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► you like to speak for iris I was [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► waffling I was waffling between two [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► different ones and and I'm gonna get a [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► sailed again and I'm going to make a lot [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► of can add JJ Abrams is 2009 star trek i [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► legit try i hate my ssi I voice I have [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► thought about choosing that too actually [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► i will have watched that movie a lot [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► the reason i'm choosing a is because i [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► assume nobody else is going to choose [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► trippin because I because I dragon but [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► still yes okay well i know i'm just [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► saying it's it's it's something that I i [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► have a feeling somebody might pick it [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► for a different category about going to [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► say which category [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► no spoilers the thing that I love about [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► it is that it provides an entry point to [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► star trek for people who actively [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► actively resist getting anywhere near [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► star track for the longest time possible [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► now whether whether the the movie itself [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► is a Star Trek fans cup of tea for me [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► reason that I think it is the best movie [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► is because of the function that it [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► serves for the cannon as a whole it [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► provides an entry point for people that [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► were 0 star trek stupid surcharge boring [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► and granted it is not like a bunch of [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► other star trek but there is going to be [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that person that gets into star trek [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► from the Abrams movies yeah that goes [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► back and looks at us and looks at eng [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► and destabilize the star trek is [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► something that you know what you [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► jackasses the nerds were right all along [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► its great distilled for me and we talk [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► about this when we talked about the [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► original series and Briana's reaction to [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► it all that this this movie distilled [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► for me what the things I loved about it [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► while bringing it into a modern context [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► it took those characters and and some of [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► the aspects of the show and said okay [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► it's been 50 years [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► let's take another crack at this and I [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► think successfully I wouldn't rank at [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► first but i would rank highly so thumbs [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► yes it would be and it would be in my [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► top three or four that that that mean [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► that is my base i think i've got a [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► number three in my in my list if I was [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► waking them so yeah if I were you if I [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► were picking personal favorite it would [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► probably end up being star trek six [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► interesting to tell Tony I your turn [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► yeah i will choose the blade home as out [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► oh no she was wrong LOL record is a lot [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► of fun i get dr. Hans but love whales [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► Darwin approves of your choice by the [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► way your favorite Star Trek character [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► from george clinton also if you through [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► no mom and you know maybe I'm channeling [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► a little bit too much my favorite movie [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► as opposed to the best movie i have seen [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► ifci watch that one more than any of the [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► other Star Trek movies even though I [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► prefer the next-gen movies but you know [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► when you look at your options for the [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► next ten movies your options aren't [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► great so i resorted to movies into [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► extended episodes and extended is [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► generous so I think this movie has a lot [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► of crossover appeal in terms of yes I [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► mean some people might even say like [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► well it's not a star trek movie because [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► normal people can like it but what I was [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► it was it was a hit yeah yeah we get all [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► the people and it's you know it's really [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► funny it still has cut you know neat [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► Star Trek story to it [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► um so yeah I love to isle of wight home [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► i'm ok with whales captain and I the [TS]