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H.I. #74: Black Mirror Season 3


00:00:00   I'm reluctantly telling you about a [TS]

00:00:02   little trial I'm doing at the moment [TS]

00:00:03   because I don't want to like hurt your [TS]

00:00:05   feelings or stir you up huh [TS]

00:00:07   but I just thought you'd find [TS]

00:00:07   interesting and i also want to find out [TS]

00:00:09   how you do with these things as well [TS]

00:00:11   hurt my feelings again immediately [TS]

00:00:14   concerns raised to maximum if I could [TS]

00:00:18   free to be talking about we are seven [TS]

00:00:21   seconds into the podcast and I I'm sorry [TS]

00:00:24   because now please bear in mind i say [TS]

00:00:28   this with love in my heart all right [TS]

00:00:30   ok but like sometimes you are not the [TS]

00:00:34   easiest person to be friends with [TS]

00:00:37   oh okay all right and again I say this [TS]

00:00:40   with love him I how I think you're like [TS]

00:00:41   a really nice guy and you're very [TS]

00:00:42   generous and consider a whole but you [TS]

00:00:44   know that certain types of interactions [TS]

00:00:47   and certain things about your [TS]

00:00:49   personality confuse other humans and [TS]

00:00:53   cause problems and tensions and things [TS]

00:00:55   like that right but you know that don't [TS]

00:00:57   you [TS]

00:00:58   I know some of my interactions confusing [TS]

00:01:00   Brady that's true yes [TS]

00:01:01   Yeah right there anyway so sometimes and [TS]

00:01:05   because of a lot of our interaction is [TS]

00:01:07   like online like through gmail or [TS]

00:01:09   particularly three messaging and that [TS]

00:01:11   blue [TS]

00:01:12   I mean we joke that sometimes can [TS]

00:01:13   compound the problem because they can be [TS]

00:01:15   miscommunications because of lack of [TS]

00:01:17   body language and nuanced and just [TS]

00:01:20   having the text there sometimes gets us [TS]

00:01:21   both very confused haha that's okay i [TS]

00:01:24   live with it you know and I'm sure you [TS]

00:01:25   live with it too but I'm trying an [TS]

00:01:28   experiment okay because i think i've [TS]

00:01:30   been compounding the problem [TS]

00:01:31   unnecessarily [TS]

00:01:32   oh yeah and what I am experimenting with [TS]

00:01:35   is trying a new icon to represent you on [TS]

00:01:41   my operating system because it will be [TS]

00:01:44   no surprise to anyone that I use the [TS]

00:01:47   cgpgrey I got that you you know he's [TS]

00:01:51   everywhere it seems obvious that's why [TS]

00:01:53   would you so everytime message from you [TS]

00:01:54   comes up that pops the little black [TS]

00:01:56   circle with a cog honor and the Little [TS]

00:01:58   flask and to me like that's you [TS]

00:02:02   the problem with that is and this has [TS]

00:02:04   always been the way with your [TS]

00:02:05   representation online [TS]

00:02:07   not only is anonymous it's kind of a [TS]

00:02:10   little bit unfriendly [TS]

00:02:12   because you know its mechanical and [TS]

00:02:14   scientific and it's very dark and very [TS]

00:02:16   non-human is this unfriendly I'm not [TS]

00:02:20   sure I agree with you on that [TS]

00:02:21   ok I won't call unfriendly but I didn't [TS]

00:02:23   look all that friendly I think it's very [TS]

00:02:25   cool and it works really well for your [TS]

00:02:27   YouTube channel when your twitter and [TS]

00:02:28   all those things you know I think it's a [TS]

00:02:29   masterstroke on your behalf but having [TS]

00:02:32   that come up and look me in the face and [TS]

00:02:35   have been frustrated by you in some [TS]

00:02:37   communication [TS]

00:02:38   mmm i think compounds the problem ok so [TS]

00:02:41   what I have done in the last week move [TS]

00:02:44   is I've actually got I've chosen a photo [TS]

00:02:47   of you when you got a big smile on your [TS]

00:02:48   face and you look kind of goofy and [TS]

00:02:50   we're messing around from some photo we [TS]

00:02:51   took ages ago with a bright color and [TS]

00:02:54   background and I've made that my icon on [TS]

00:02:56   my phone for you so every time i get a [TS]

00:02:58   message from you [TS]

00:02:59   I've got a big goofy cgpgrey smiling at [TS]

00:03:02   me out of my phone and I think it just [TS]

00:03:04   diffuses the tone of whatever's going on [TS]

00:03:07   all the time I think it's been a [TS]

00:03:08   masterstroke on my behalf that you think [TS]

00:03:11   this has been effective [TS]

00:03:12   yeah i do and i think we should think [TS]

00:03:15   carefully about the photos and icons [TS]

00:03:17   were used to represent people living on [TS]

00:03:19   their phones as we get more and more [TS]

00:03:20   down this path of interacting with [TS]

00:03:22   people in this way I think it can make a [TS]

00:03:24   big difference [TS]

00:03:25   it obviously has in this case what do [TS]

00:03:27   you have for me when that message for me [TS]

00:03:28   comes up I have the picture of you the [TS]

00:03:32   one looks like it's professionally done [TS]

00:03:33   from ages ago where you're holding a [TS]

00:03:35   tiny puppy Audrey that's the one that I [TS]

00:03:37   have of you you know that was just taken [TS]

00:03:39   by my wife with an iphone in a kitchen [TS]

00:03:41   well it's very professional-looking that [TS]

00:03:43   it's very well done that is the photo [TS]

00:03:45   that i have a view that is also the [TS]

00:03:48   photo of you that for some reason keeps [TS]

00:03:51   replicating itself over and over in my [TS]

00:03:52   iPhoto library it's like I can't even [TS]

00:03:55   tweet how many times that happens but [TS]

00:03:57   it's like that have complained about [TS]

00:03:59   this on Twitter virus i know i'll get a [TS]

00:04:01   complaint about it again but for some [TS]

00:04:03   reason when i open my iPhoto library i'm [TS]

00:04:06   going to say at least once a month [TS]

00:04:09   there are hundreds of copies of two [TS]

00:04:13   images one of which is this photograph [TS]

00:04:17   of you Brady holding Audrey and the [TS]

00:04:19   other is a Hitler mean from my reddit [TS]

00:04:21   video from like three years which is a [TS]

00:04:24   stupid picture of him [TS]

00:04:26   ler wearing high socks and looking like [TS]

00:04:29   an idiot in shorts right it's like I [TS]

00:04:31   have this Brady Hitler meme thing that [TS]

00:04:34   just replicates over and over and I am [TS]

00:04:36   convinced it's getting worse over time [TS]

00:04:37   that when i opened up my iPhoto library [TS]

00:04:39   it's like five more every time because [TS]

00:04:42   now it's like screens and screens that I [TS]

00:04:45   have to scroll through to get rid of [TS]

00:04:46   these hundreds and hundreds of photos so [TS]

00:04:48   how just realizing is I'm saying this [TS]

00:04:50   out loud while i do think it's a [TS]

00:04:51   fantastic photograph of you and i have [TS]

00:04:53   been using it as my contact photo of you [TS]

00:04:56   for a long time [TS]

00:04:57   I'm realizing maybe I to also have some [TS]

00:05:00   negative associations with that [TS]

00:05:02   particular image and the quite literally [TS]

00:05:05   thousands of times i have deleted it and [TS]

00:05:08   it still will not go away so maybe I [TS]

00:05:10   should select a different photograph of [TS]

00:05:12   you as well that's going to be some [TS]

00:05:14   metaphor fair professional relationship [TS]

00:05:16   yep i don't know what it is but it's got [TS]

00:05:19   to be something there [TS]

00:05:20   it's in there somewhere anyway do you [TS]

00:05:24   have like icons for everyone in your [TS]

00:05:27   phone like everyone here messages you [TS]

00:05:28   are most people icon muscle photos so do [TS]

00:05:30   you attach a person to pretty much [TS]

00:05:32   everyone who contact you [TS]

00:05:34   yeah i'll attach a picture i mean the [TS]

00:05:36   main reason that you need the picture is [TS]

00:05:37   that you don't accidentally send a [TS]

00:05:39   message to the wrong person right like [TS]

00:05:41   what I messaging with your wife and [TS]

00:05:42   we're talking about you behind your back [TS]

00:05:44   right slagging you off yeah I don't want [TS]

00:05:46   to accidentally send a message to you so [TS]

00:05:48   I have to make sure like there's a clear [TS]

00:05:49   visual representation of who you're [TS]

00:05:52   talking to so that's why it like it's [TS]

00:05:53   everybody has to have a photograph it [TS]

00:05:55   would be incredibly stressful if they [TS]

00:05:56   were just the defaults person outline [TS]

00:05:59   icons that would be no good at all no [TS]

00:06:01   good it's like initial sometimes the [TS]

00:06:03   initials of the person isn't so I'd be [TS]

00:06:05   like eh that's right yeah but that's no [TS]

00:06:07   good you have to have a photograph do [TS]

00:06:09   you stuck with it very often that we [TS]

00:06:11   change the photo of your life like you [TS]

00:06:12   know once a month or something if you [TS]

00:06:14   had the same one forever [TS]

00:06:15   ok so my wife has been getting on my [TS]

00:06:19   case about this [TS]

00:06:20   yeah but I use a photograph of her that [TS]

00:06:24   is at this point eight years old she [TS]

00:06:29   keeps wanting me to update to a more [TS]

00:06:30   modern one and even just recently like [TS]

00:06:32   hopefully sent me a few well posed [TS]

00:06:35   photographs like you know these could be [TS]

00:06:36   my contacts what [TS]

00:06:38   but I feel like I know but that's not [TS]

00:06:40   you that's the the contact photo that [TS]

00:06:41   i've been using of you for forever [TS]

00:06:43   yeah it's just like now this is the [TS]

00:06:45   digital representation of my wife and [TS]

00:06:48   yeah even though she doesn't necessarily [TS]

00:06:50   think it i still think she looks exactly [TS]

00:06:51   the same i can tell the difference i see [TS]

00:06:53   no reason to change it changing those [TS]

00:06:55   pictures is a big deal i have some [TS]

00:06:56   sympathy with you there I don't change [TS]

00:06:58   those things easily [TS]

00:06:59   it's like once it's locked in it becomes [TS]

00:07:01   like this is not supposed to be a [TS]

00:07:03   current photo of the person like this is [TS]

00:07:06   just the shorthand representation of the [TS]

00:07:09   person but that's why I've had to change [TS]

00:07:10   yours though I've had to change yours [TS]

00:07:12   because i'm doing psychological testing [TS]

00:07:13   on myself I'm saying whether using [TS]

00:07:15   something a bit more personal and [TS]

00:07:16   friendly will help defuse the [TS]

00:07:18   frustration you sometimes inside me i [TS]

00:07:21   think it's a good idea and also maybe [TS]

00:07:23   you two should send me some [TS]

00:07:25   recommendations you might have what i [TS]

00:07:26   should use for your contact photo i [TS]

00:07:28   think i think maybe I do have to change [TS]

00:07:31   my contact photo for you in the system [TS]

00:07:33   as well because of the deletion [TS]

00:07:35   associations are gonna shoot this [TS]

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00:09:34   the show so there are many things in [TS]

00:09:39   life that causing irritation that my own [TS]

00:09:41   fault [TS]

00:09:42   who for example the day that I stupidly [TS]

00:09:45   on hello Internet jokingly told people [TS]

00:09:48   if they were not on a plane to send me a [TS]

00:09:50   tweet you deserve every one of those [TS]

00:09:52   tweets i will regret that forever [TS]

00:09:54   I hope so i really do at it was my fault [TS]

00:09:57   and as people go through this into the [TS]

00:09:59   back catalogue and send me those tweets [TS]

00:10:01   not realizing I was sort of joking [TS]

00:10:03   around a bit [TS]

00:10:04   I got that on the chin and most things i [TS]

00:10:07   think my fault because generally I make [TS]

00:10:09   a lot of mistakes [TS]

00:10:10   mhm but one thing that was not my fault [TS]

00:10:13   was the belief that continues to blossom [TS]

00:10:18   and I continue to complain about that [TS]

00:10:21   people think we invented the term humble [TS]

00:10:24   brag on hello Internet [TS]

00:10:26   ok let's do something yeah i just had [TS]

00:10:29   this happen with my own parents [TS]

00:10:31   yesterday didn't like it and it's this [TS]

00:10:36   will never go away and it was not her [TS]

00:10:38   fault [TS]

00:10:39   we never jokingly claimed to make it up [TS]

00:10:42   we've talked about it a bit but we've [TS]

00:10:44   never said it was our thing ever know [TS]

00:10:46   what people believe that and now the [TS]

00:10:49   worst possible thing that could happen [TS]

00:10:50   seems to have happened and there is some [TS]

00:10:52   new game i think it's some new pok√©mon [TS]

00:10:54   game or something that everyone is [TS]

00:10:56   playing who has a seen it like a [TS]

00:10:58   cutscene that that uses the term [TS]

00:11:00   humblebrag little [TS]

00:11:01   and everyone who's playing this game is [TS]

00:11:03   saying this thinking at some cool for [TS]

00:11:06   hello internet that our word has been no [TS]

00:11:08   use in this game and is sending me [TS]

00:11:11   screenshots of the game i cannot tell [TS]

00:11:13   you how many screenshots well I have [TS]

00:11:15   gotten this game with this term humble [TS]

00:11:17   bear comes up on the screen and people [TS]

00:11:19   say this amazing Brady you're amazing [TS]

00:11:21   and it was your fault too because you [TS]

00:11:25   are the person who first mentioned the [TS]

00:11:26   word on the podcast was it means that I [TS]

00:11:28   bring it up i can't remember [TS]

00:11:29   here I was grappling with the concept [TS]

00:11:31   and you said is a humble break soon as [TS]

00:11:33   you would say the word before when it [TS]

00:11:34   was caught in right and I'm like yeah [TS]

00:11:36   that's what it is and we talked about it [TS]

00:11:38   from there [TS]

00:11:38   gosh that thing horse me and it's not my [TS]

00:11:41   fault the other stuff i can cop because [TS]

00:11:44   it is my fault [TS]

00:11:45   right right yeah I feel like we were [TS]

00:11:47   more serious back then like modern [TS]

00:11:49   current as might make some joke about [TS]

00:11:51   owning the word but now we even did like [TS]

00:11:53   a whole thing we talked about the person [TS]

00:11:55   who invented the term like you think it [TS]

00:11:56   couldn't have been more clear that like [TS]

00:11:58   we were just discussing a word he didn't [TS]

00:12:01   create this word but yeah that mean is [TS]

00:12:03   totally out there and seems impossible [TS]

00:12:06   to kill even with my own family [TS]

00:12:08   I've corrected the galaxy has ever [TS]

00:12:10   happened like it just keeps coming on [TS]

00:12:13   back at ya that's happened in my Western [TS]

00:12:15   it to thank God people don't think we [TS]

00:12:17   invented the word flag or brady was just [TS]

00:12:22   watching the olympics now flying a whole [TS]

00:12:23   bunch of flags must be so proud [TS]

00:12:26   it'll never die Brady and I i might as [TS]

00:12:30   well claim i invented at least give it [TS]

00:12:32   credit out of it [TS]

00:12:33   there you go here to here folks Brady [TS]

00:12:35   Haran inventor of the humble brag now [TS]

00:12:37   you can't do that because the guy who [TS]

00:12:39   invented I think passed away it was a [TS]

00:12:40   really tragic story well then he's not [TS]

00:12:42   here to contradict your claim she's just [TS]

00:12:44   gonna be even more rock solid body now [TS]

00:12:46   it was not great invented it totally [TS]

00:12:49   Brady Brady he's the guy he's so good [TS]

00:12:51   with all those words remember people [TS]

00:12:52   rate is really good with all the words [TS]

00:12:54   me I'm rubbish i couldn't find anything [TS]

00:12:57   even if i tried a few jacking okay Brady [TS]

00:13:02   I've come across the thing which I don't [TS]

00:13:03   really understand what it is but i'm [TS]

00:13:05   going to show you and this is something [TS]

00:13:08   somebody put on the reddit which is on [TS]

00:13:14   the Wikipedia [TS]

00:13:14   the page for Brady as in the word friday [TS]

00:13:17   no not may just bring in general write [TS]

00:13:19   the word Brady what can the word Brady [TS]

00:13:22   referred to lady Brady's actual Brady's [TS]

00:13:24   places called Brady's all of this stuff [TS]

00:13:27   on there is an image for the Brady [TS]

00:13:30   coat-of-arms yes could you describe to [TS]

00:13:33   me what the Brady coat of arms is on the [TS]

00:13:37   wicked people aged since saying this [TS]

00:13:38   unread I've investigated further and [TS]

00:13:40   found all sorts of variations of this [TS]

00:13:42   and i are all quite similar and it is [TS]

00:13:44   kind of a black shield blue and in the [TS]

00:13:47   top left corner is the Sun and men in [TS]

00:13:51   the bottom right corner is just a hand [TS]

00:13:55   pointing at the Sun just a finger is [TS]

00:13:57   pointing at the Sun there's the Sun now [TS]

00:14:00   when i first saw this I assumed that [TS]

00:14:04   someone was having a little fun at the [TS]

00:14:07   wikipedias expense because I do know [TS]

00:14:09   that our audience on occasion [TS]

00:14:12   only when it's appropriate sometimes [TS]

00:14:14   screws around with Wikipedia and changes [TS]

00:14:17   things to make them funny and so I [TS]

00:14:19   thought like I surely somebody has gone [TS]

00:14:21   in and added in this Brady coat of arms [TS]

00:14:24   which is the hand pointing at a thing [TS]

00:14:25   which couldn't be more you because I do [TS]

00:14:28   this in photos over time [TS]

00:14:29   yeah you did this in the very last [TS]

00:14:31   episode but sure enough when I went to [TS]

00:14:33   click on the link like it's from 2007 [TS]

00:14:35   like it predates the podcast by a lot [TS]

00:14:37   it's just like I was totally confused by [TS]

00:14:40   the decent searching you find all sorts [TS]

00:14:42   of like ancient coats of arms for brady [TS]

00:14:44   and it's all variations of this finger [TS]

00:14:46   pointing at the sunset so you done much [TS]

00:14:48   more deep research into this you found [TS]

00:14:50   this going below if a quick google [TS]

00:14:52   images search cancers deep research then [TS]

00:14:54   yes I think that totally counts yes it [TS]

00:14:56   does i think if you just Google Image [TS]

00:14:59   Brady coat of arms you've got a whole [TS]

00:15:01   bunch of other ones i find this just an [TS]

00:15:04   amazing miraculous coincidence that [TS]

00:15:05   makes me smile [TS]

00:15:06   it is a nice coincidence and i like that [TS]

00:15:08   the thing that's been point today is [TS]

00:15:09   like an astronomical object to and [TS]

00:15:11   reflecting my kind of space geekiness [TS]

00:15:12   know so yeah it could only have been [TS]

00:15:14   better if it was the moon it could only [TS]

00:15:16   have been better if it was the moon but [TS]

00:15:17   it still strikes me as just a remarkable [TS]

00:15:20   coincidence i just can't believe that [TS]

00:15:22   this was actually a thing that [TS]

00:15:24   pre-existed the podcast and it was not [TS]

00:15:26   internet shenanigan [TS]

00:15:27   it's absolutely amazing what's the gray [TS]

00:15:30   coat of arms I'm sure just in [TS]

00:15:31   coincidences sake it'll turn out to be [TS]

00:15:33   like a bunch of gears right that's what [TS]

00:15:35   it'll be quick projekt revolution update [TS]

00:15:39   you know it's been a bit of a palava but [TS]

00:15:42   it looks like as we record we're [TS]

00:15:44   recording on a sunday night it looks [TS]

00:15:46   like the album's will actually hit the [TS]

00:15:49   post tomorrow [TS]

00:15:51   oh wow but don't like we're gonna hold [TS]

00:15:55   me to that before that haha yeah they've [TS]

00:15:59   been more problems than I would have [TS]

00:16:00   expected put it this way you could make [TS]

00:16:02   an entire podcast of corporate [TS]

00:16:04   compensation corner based on some of the [TS]

00:16:07   problems I've been having getting these [TS]

00:16:08   things sorted out [TS]

00:16:10   you better be careful making an [TS]

00:16:11   offhanded comment like that people will [TS]

00:16:12   start asking for corporate compensation [TS]

00:16:13   corner as it relates to projekt [TS]

00:16:15   revolution you can't mix the corners [TS]

00:16:17   they would always that now that another [TS]

00:16:19   word that would be confusing they get [TS]

00:16:21   all round and squishy if you mix too [TS]

00:16:23   many of them together is that what [TS]

00:16:24   happens yeah they do you think you have [TS]

00:16:25   too many corners things start rounding [TS]

00:16:27   off of this so he so I don't think we'll [TS]

00:16:29   do that but speaking of corners [TS]

00:16:32   you up for a paper cutter to you let's [TS]

00:16:34   just give you one paper cut I know you [TS]

00:16:35   don't like multiple paper cuts [TS]

00:16:37   I've always got a lot on my list but [TS]

00:16:39   sure Brady why'd you give me a paper cut [TS]

00:16:41   my paper cap as many of my paper gets [TS]

00:16:45   these days tend to relate to BBC Twitter [TS]

00:16:48   streams [TS]

00:16:49   mhm I don't like kicking the BBC you [TS]

00:16:52   know I used to work for them I think [TS]

00:16:53   it's a good organization maybe it's just [TS]

00:16:55   a reflection of the fact that I follow a [TS]

00:16:57   lot of BBC on Twitter and so they have [TS]

00:16:59   more opportunities to irritate me [TS]

00:17:01   ok a bigger tag i noticed three-word [TS]

00:17:04   tweet it was back on shift this week by [TS]

00:17:05   the way [TS]

00:17:06   oh no and there but let's not go there [TS]

00:17:08   but the thing that they do and i'll use [TS]

00:17:12   the example that most irritated me is [TS]

00:17:15   they were tweeting something about [TS]

00:17:16   Barrack Obama somethin he done who are [TS]

00:17:19   current water was let me just make [TS]

00:17:20   something up [TS]

00:17:21   Barrack Obama has met with the French [TS]

00:17:24   president who and what they said was [TS]

00:17:27   meeting in paris between french [TS]

00:17:30   president and @potus whom they didn't [TS]

00:17:33   call him by his name also where he was [TS]

00:17:36   and they just used his Twitter handle [TS]

00:17:38   hey I find the in formality a little bit [TS]

00:17:41   grating from the news organization but [TS]

00:17:45   worse i find a little bit ingratiating [TS]

00:17:48   when they do that like that almost [TS]

00:17:50   hoping for like a retweet or and because [TS]

00:17:54   it's not like it's someone who like [TS]

00:17:56   you're not gonna know or like you're not [TS]

00:17:58   gonna go oh I didn't know I could follow [TS]

00:17:59   the President of the United States on [TS]

00:18:01   Twitter thank you for providing that [TS]

00:18:02   useful service babysitting [TS]

00:18:03   it's just a little bit like chummy and a [TS]

00:18:06   bit makes me feel squeamish saying the [TS]

00:18:08   BBC referring to @potus look at this [TS]

00:18:11   photo of that POTUS walking on the [TS]

00:18:12   street because it's almost like a call [TS]

00:18:15   that to him like because you when you [TS]

00:18:16   add someone the main reason you would [TS]

00:18:18   add someone is so that they will see [TS]

00:18:19   what you just tweeted so it's always [TS]

00:18:21   like we want the President to see that [TS]

00:18:23   we just tweeted about him like this is [TS]

00:18:25   the BBC in the President of the United [TS]

00:18:26   States it's not me and justin bieber man [TS]

00:18:31   i like the idea of someone at the BBC is [TS]

00:18:34   going on to their tweets and replied to [TS]

00:18:36   have and then flipping over to the [TS]

00:18:37   verified tab and hitting refresh refresh [TS]

00:18:39   refresh athletic DC didn't give us a [TS]

00:18:42   like yeah I think it's silliness don't [TS]

00:18:47   do that baby see they should very rarely [TS]

00:18:49   be using the apps of people I don't even [TS]

00:18:51   like it when the BBC sports site does [TS]

00:18:53   it'll go you know our fabulous gold [TS]

00:18:55   today by at wayne rooney like don't do [TS]

00:18:58   that [TS]

00:18:58   see I'm gonna totally disagree with you [TS]

00:19:00   Brady I think they should do that I [TS]

00:19:02   think that that's exactly what they [TS]

00:19:03   should be doing what I'm wondering is [TS]

00:19:04   did the French president's not have a [TS]

00:19:07   twitter account like is that why they [TS]

00:19:08   said the French president and POTUS I [TS]

00:19:10   was just making that up [TS]

00:19:11   french but yeah I don't even know what [TS]

00:19:13   it was about so it was like that French [TS]

00:19:15   Prezi and notice but also sometimes the [TS]

00:19:21   twitter handle doesn't always reflect [TS]

00:19:24   who the person is like I guess most [TS]

00:19:26   people know that [TS]

00:19:27   POTUS means President of the United [TS]

00:19:28   States but everyone would know that and [TS]

00:19:31   so sometimes with sport it'll be you [TS]

00:19:33   know fabulous go today by at Johnny 371 [TS]

00:19:36   and because that's what some sports [TS]

00:19:39   person has their twitter handle it then [TS]

00:19:40   you don't even know who the person is [TS]

00:19:41   who scored the go and also you say they [TS]

00:19:45   should do it [TS]

00:19:45   I mean why should they do it to help [TS]

00:19:47   sort of the interconnectivity of Twitter [TS]

00:19:49   and build the platform that's not what [TS]

00:19:51   the baby should be [TS]

00:19:52   I think that this is like the grammar of [TS]

00:19:54   twitter right the BBC being on Twitter [TS]

00:19:57   in the first place means well you should [TS]

00:19:59   be using the system like the way it is [TS]

00:20:01   to me it's like for the longest time and [TS]

00:20:04   even still it always bothers me how [TS]

00:20:05   newspapers seem incredibly reluctant to [TS]

00:20:09   actually link to with thing right [TS]

00:20:11   whenever they talk about it in their [TS]

00:20:13   news articles like if I ever find a news [TS]

00:20:15   article about a thing and it says like [TS]

00:20:17   other talk about that here's this [TS]

00:20:17   amazing thing that someone is making and [TS]

00:20:20   they mentioned the website but they [TS]

00:20:21   don't link to it was like god damn it [TS]

00:20:23   like you know you're on the internet [TS]

00:20:25   right guys like you yeah you think to a [TS]

00:20:26   thing and I always find that super [TS]

00:20:28   frustrating i agree with that gray and i [TS]

00:20:30   agree on twitter also there's like an [TS]

00:20:32   etiquette and if I mentioning you i will [TS]

00:20:34   use your at rather than just a great [TS]

00:20:36   like I agree with delicate but I feel [TS]

00:20:38   like there is a line somewhere of kind [TS]

00:20:40   of formality and people who should be a [TS]

00:20:42   little bit above her and I think once [TS]

00:20:44   you've got the british broadcasting [TS]

00:20:46   corporation and the President of the [TS]

00:20:48   United States I hold them to a slightly [TS]

00:20:51   different standard there are times they [TS]

00:20:52   should use at some things like that and [TS]

00:20:54   i can even handle you know emojis and [TS]

00:20:56   things like that but this just feels [TS]

00:20:58   wrong it just felt juvenile calling him [TS]

00:21:01   at POTUS yeah it just felt a bit wrong [TS]

00:21:04   to me but i'll defer to your judgment if [TS]

00:21:06   it will fit thank you but I'd everyone [TS]

00:21:07   just thinking like somewhere almost [TS]

00:21:10   certainly there has to be like a style [TS]

00:21:12   guide that exists for the BBC twitter [TS]

00:21:15   account are man i'd love to get my hands [TS]

00:21:16   on that [TS]

00:21:17   yeah I'd ripped that bad boy up and [TS]

00:21:18   rewrite and world no.3 word weeds [TS]

00:21:21   everywhere to it's no use of the flames [TS]

00:21:25   have someone is on fire but I'm just [TS]

00:21:29   thinking like a style guide must exist [TS]

00:21:31   somewhere right like this has to be a [TS]

00:21:33   thing and I think the problem will run [TS]

00:21:35   into with the style guide is trying to [TS]

00:21:38   define an arbitrary line of seriousness [TS]

00:21:41   over which you're not going to use the [TS]

00:21:43   Twitter handles and I think it's [TS]

00:21:44   especially weird in a place like Twitter [TS]

00:21:46   because you can easily end up with [TS]

00:21:48   enough the BBC has a rule like Oh heads [TS]

00:21:50   of state will always use their names and [TS]

00:21:52   you won't use their twitter handles but [TS]

00:21:54   that also just runs into the weird [TS]

00:21:56   popularity thing on Twitter that like [TS]

00:21:58   tons of heads of state who have [TS]

00:22:00   different numbers of Twitter followers [TS]

00:22:02   right versus like actual celebrities [TS]

00:22:04   were like million [TS]

00:22:05   and Brazilians of Twitter followers and [TS]

00:22:07   she's like I don't think there's any [TS]

00:22:08   consistent way to come down on a ruling [TS]

00:22:10   of when you should use the name versus a [TS]

00:22:12   twitter handle [TS]

00:22:12   I think if you're on twitter you should [TS]

00:22:14   just use the Twitter handle like I think [TS]

00:22:16   that's the medium that's the way that [TS]

00:22:18   this works well I'll say two things to [TS]

00:22:20   that one is I actually feel like they're [TS]

00:22:24   probably is not a very well adhered to [TS]

00:22:25   style guide for the BBC and twitter [TS]

00:22:27   because I find them very inconsistent [TS]

00:22:29   moving on this and i know baby see you [TS]

00:22:31   know I used to live by a baby style [TS]

00:22:32   guide so I know that about PB star gods [TS]

00:22:34   he and Twitter gives me the impression [TS]

00:22:36   it's the Wild West and they haven't got [TS]

00:22:38   their act together [TS]

00:22:39   who and secondly I don't know where that [TS]

00:22:41   line is and you make a fair point you [TS]

00:22:43   know where would you draw that line but [TS]

00:22:45   that life does exist because if for [TS]

00:22:47   example the Pope died tomorrow heaven [TS]

00:22:50   forbid i can't see the BBC saying oh my [TS]

00:22:53   goodness [TS]

00:22:54   @pontifex has died like they wouldn't do [TS]

00:22:57   that because that would feel really [TS]

00:22:59   really inappropriate and that shows that [TS]

00:23:01   there is a lion and therefore there can [TS]

00:23:04   be a discussion about where that line is [TS]

00:23:05   and that's me feels like there's [TS]

00:23:07   something in there which is like the [TS]

00:23:08   office versus the person I don't know I [TS]

00:23:11   feel like I have to think about that but [TS]

00:23:13   you're right i like it would be weird if [TS]

00:23:14   that like at pope awesome dead now that [TS]

00:23:17   would not seem like an appropriate way [TS]

00:23:19   to do that [TS]

00:23:20   yeah I feel like you've introduced a [TS]

00:23:22   little crack here but I still feel like [TS]

00:23:24   I'm ok with kids with the twitter [TS]

00:23:26   handles think I'm not okay without just [TS]

00:23:28   looking I can't believe this so i have [TS]

00:23:30   the current president's twitter profile [TS]

00:23:32   open up on my page so i was like i just [TS]

00:23:34   went to the POTUS thing [TS]

00:23:36   yeah and the president is using the [TS]

00:23:39   thing that I can't stand which is like [TS]

00:23:41   the three now and description of [TS]

00:23:43   yourself which almost always starts with [TS]

00:23:45   the thing that other people will care [TS]

00:23:48   the least about and then ends with the [TS]

00:23:50   thing that everybody cares the most [TS]

00:23:51   about what is a to the president's for [TS]

00:23:53   your description right now it says dad [TS]

00:23:56   husband 44th President of the United [TS]

00:24:00   it's okay thank you ate that like great [TS]

00:24:04   you know that has a total humblebrag it [TS]

00:24:07   drives me nuts when like some famous [TS]

00:24:09   important person is like father right [TS]

00:24:12   they put it is their first thing like [TS]

00:24:13   out come on dude like nobody's going to [TS]

00:24:16   your twitter profile because you're a [TS]

00:24:17   father right like that [TS]

00:24:19   going to you for the thing that you're [TS]

00:24:21   known for and it's extra funny to me [TS]

00:24:23   that it's fallen into this pattern of so [TS]

00:24:25   many people's Twitter bios have like [TS]

00:24:27   three nouns as the description and it's [TS]

00:24:29   like and sodas @potus what would yours [TS]

00:24:33   be great what would your three baby like [TS]

00:24:34   in that humble brag zone right it [TS]

00:24:36   wouldn't be like you know human male [TS]

00:24:39   youtube soup stir [TS]

00:24:42   yeah that's what i would do this is why [TS]

00:24:44   I don't have a twitter description it's [TS]

00:24:45   a fundamentally impossible to write a [TS]

00:24:47   good one so i just did not know so I'm [TS]

00:24:50   gonna have to read in mind before this [TS]

00:24:51   podcast is that so yeah now look let's [TS]

00:24:53   see what is within was very have doggie [TS]

00:24:56   owner filmmakers something-something [TS]

00:24:58   yeah that's yeah don't go in her husband [TS]

00:24:59   how about today co-host yeah that's [TS]

00:25:04   right i don't know what mine says yeah [TS]

00:25:06   you actually have an easy one [TS]

00:25:08   you have a decent one because it [TS]

00:25:09   actually gets to the heart of what you [TS]

00:25:11   are and why someone would be looking at [TS]

00:25:13   your twitter profile yeah so as of right [TS]

00:25:15   now it says video journalist and YouTube [TS]

00:25:17   person and then you have that number [TS]

00:25:19   file at periodic videos at hello [TS]

00:25:21   Internet nice to see and other stuff and [TS]

00:25:23   location the mighty black stump I think [TS]

00:25:27   that's good i think i think that's a [TS]

00:25:30   perfectly good profile because it [TS]

00:25:32   clarifies who you are and there's like a [TS]

00:25:34   little bit of a joke for people who [TS]

00:25:35   would like that [TS]

00:25:36   yeah but i swear to god i would throw up [TS]

00:25:38   in my office right now it actually [TS]

00:25:39   started with like doggy owner husband's [TS]

00:25:43   youtube person that would be the worst [TS]

00:25:44   you don't do that i went to that so [TS]

00:25:48   great it's been probably two new stories [TS]

00:25:52   this week that have caught my eye and I [TS]

00:25:56   wanted to discuss with you because both [TS]

00:25:58   of them made me think of you for various [TS]

00:26:00   reasons i don't particularly want to [TS]

00:26:02   talk about the new story but there was a [TS]

00:26:04   big news story in the UK with the last [TS]

00:26:05   week or two and it dealt with a 14 year [TS]

00:26:08   old girl who was dying I think she was [TS]

00:26:11   dying for something i can so it was [TS]

00:26:13   really was a terrible story but she [TS]

00:26:15   wanted to be cryogenically frozen after [TS]

00:26:17   she died and you know hoping that one [TS]

00:26:19   day their cue would be found and she [TS]

00:26:21   would be brought back to life and there [TS]

00:26:22   was a whole bit of controversy about it [TS]

00:26:24   to do with her parents [TS]

00:26:25   we don't need to go into that who but [TS]

00:26:27   what I did want to go into which is the [TS]

00:26:28   whole issue of because it did it got [TS]

00:26:30   people talking about cryonics again and [TS]

00:26:32   I read [TS]

00:26:32   lots of articles and things around the [TS]

00:26:34   place about what they do and how it [TS]

00:26:35   works soon how people can be frozen and [TS]

00:26:38   it did get me thinking that if someone [TS]

00:26:41   said to me Brady there was one person [TS]

00:26:43   who you're friends with who actually has [TS]

00:26:45   paid for and it's going to be [TS]

00:26:46   cryogenically frozen up that person dies [TS]

00:26:49   which one of your friends do you think [TS]

00:26:51   it is without doubt my answer would be [TS]

00:26:55   cgpgrey really really there's nobody [TS]

00:26:58   else even think of on top of that list [TS]

00:27:01   though no because I don't know where you [TS]

00:27:03   stand on this and I deliberately haven't [TS]

00:27:05   asked you about where you stand on this [TS]

00:27:06   but I can imagine you are either really [TS]

00:27:10   opposed to it and think it's ridiculous [TS]

00:27:11   or then I slightly lean this way I think [TS]

00:27:15   it tickles you and I think it's possible [TS]

00:27:17   that something you have not ruled out [TS]

00:27:19   doing so where do you stand on the on [TS]

00:27:21   the issue [TS]

00:27:22   chronixx in general tell me your story [TS]

00:27:24   gray well you're wrong in that I haven't [TS]

00:27:28   signed up for [TS]

00:27:29   cryonics yet if you're looking for a [TS]

00:27:31   friend who's signed up and written a [TS]

00:27:33   check i am not on that list [TS]

00:27:36   however if you're assembling a list of [TS]

00:27:39   people who have seriously looked into it [TS]

00:27:42   and found inadequate cryogenic solutions [TS]

00:27:45   in the UK and the US were unable to pay [TS]

00:27:47   for it then i would also be on that list [TS]

00:27:50   wow so you have that serious about it [TS]

00:27:52   yeah I looked into this little while ago [TS]

00:27:54   I feel good I guess it's not the most [TS]

00:27:57   amazing prediction the world was [TS]

00:27:59   considering your interest but yeah I [TS]

00:28:00   think it's a fantastically accurate [TS]

00:28:02   particular right score one of the [TS]

00:28:04   braided yeah you definitely win the say [TS]

00:28:05   what you feel like you know you've got a [TS]

00:28:06   few brochures and look at a few websites [TS]

00:28:08   and priced up have you and didn't find [TS]

00:28:10   the deal you're looking for yet [TS]

00:28:12   well no it wasn't that I didn't find the [TS]

00:28:13   deal that I was looking for it's just [TS]

00:28:15   that I'm going to say this was like [TS]

00:28:17   probably at least three years ago now so [TS]

00:28:18   I haven't really researched it in a [TS]

00:28:20   little while yeah but at least at the [TS]

00:28:22   time when i came across was that it [TS]

00:28:25   seemed like America was way harder core [TS]

00:28:28   into the cryogenics industry yeah [TS]

00:28:30   probably because it has a larger number [TS]

00:28:34   of slightly nutty super wealthy people [TS]

00:28:37   who are happy to fund it is my gas yeah [TS]

00:28:40   i'm gonna bet cryogenic sales are [TS]

00:28:42   fantastic in a place like Silicon Valley [TS]

00:28:44   i'm basing that on nothing [TS]

00:28:46   except again yeah and so maybe that's [TS]

00:28:48   why that industry exists more there but [TS]

00:28:50   it seemed like they were a serious [TS]

00:28:52   number of services that you could really [TS]

00:28:53   sign up for at least the time when I [TS]

00:28:55   looked into it in the UK there was [TS]

00:28:57   nothing that seemed adequate or [TS]

00:29:01   trustworthy for what I was really [TS]

00:29:03   looking for in a cryogenic sir but [TS]

00:29:05   before we go into that I mean you are [TS]

00:29:07   right America and Russia are the only [TS]

00:29:09   place that have facilities that are [TS]

00:29:11   doing at the moment interesting about [TS]

00:29:13   1,600 people signed on to do in the [TS]

00:29:16   future i think only a couple hundred or [TS]

00:29:17   a few hundred people have actually a [TS]

00:29:19   frozen at the moment you say you [TS]

00:29:21   couldn't find what you're looking for [TS]

00:29:22   what are you looking for [TS]

00:29:24   well again trying to dig a big memories [TS]

00:29:27   of what it was at the time [TS]

00:29:28   part of it was these things were [TS]

00:29:30   shockingly costly some of them were just [TS]

00:29:33   like I cannot possibly afford this [TS]

00:29:35   really because the one thing that struck [TS]

00:29:36   me was that it was cheaper than I [TS]

00:29:37   expected [TS]

00:29:38   hmm ok still expensive like you don't [TS]

00:29:40   know something everyone can do but I was [TS]

00:29:42   surprised that was a bit cheaper than I [TS]

00:29:43   thought maybe prices have come down in [TS]

00:29:45   the past couple years right it's like [TS]

00:29:47   genetic testing maybe the price keeps [TS]

00:29:48   having every 18 months as time goes [TS]

00:29:50   along eventually everybody will get it [TS]

00:29:51   done [TS]

00:29:52   yeah but whatever it was it was too [TS]

00:29:53   expensive at the time but more than that [TS]

00:29:55   it was a question of time to freeze like [TS]

00:29:59   how fast can they theoretically get you [TS]

00:30:01   froze so yeah because I feel like surely [TS]

00:30:04   if this has any chance of working that [TS]

00:30:07   is the key factor in how mushy do you [TS]

00:30:10   get before they stick you in the freezer [TS]

00:30:12   that has to be the thing and so in [TS]

00:30:14   America there were a bunch of services [TS]

00:30:16   that basically like their whole selling [TS]

00:30:17   point was we can get you frozen really [TS]

00:30:20   fast after your declared dead yeah and [TS]

00:30:22   it seemed like that was not the case in [TS]

00:30:23   the UK right in the UK was like oh yeah [TS]

00:30:26   once you die will stick you in a box on [TS]

00:30:28   a free shipping across the ocean to get [TS]

00:30:30   you to America then we'll freeze you [TS]

00:30:32   like once the rats finished [TS]

00:30:33   that's what it seems like so yeah didn't [TS]

00:30:35   seem like a high probability of success [TS]

00:30:37   without yeah I'm a little dismissive [TS]

00:30:39   over and skeptical about it and so this [TS]

00:30:42   afternoon i was reading a bit about and [TS]

00:30:43   the more I read about it didn't start [TS]

00:30:46   appealing to me a little more I read [TS]

00:30:48   about it the more I thought no this is [TS]

00:30:50   totally going to appeal to gray and [TS]

00:30:52   because you can kind of make it a [TS]

00:30:54   justification for a quite easily you [TS]

00:30:56   could say well okay maybe if the [TS]

00:30:57   technology for cryogenic least [TS]

00:30:59   boring people now is flawed because it [TS]

00:31:01   is florida blue that doesn't matter it [TS]

00:31:03   just means it will be a longer wait [TS]

00:31:04   until the technology exists that can [TS]

00:31:06   undo that floor and get around the [TS]

00:31:08   problem any problem can be fixed if we [TS]

00:31:10   wait enough years and you know then I [TS]

00:31:12   started going off into all sorts of [TS]

00:31:13   Pascal's wages and all sorts of things [TS]

00:31:16   about it all becomes quite philosophical [TS]

00:31:17   and I started thinking my god I've [TS]

00:31:19   stumbled into a cgpa video here that [TS]

00:31:21   that's a good idea [TS]

00:31:24   yeah it would be a good video after you [TS]

00:31:25   actually i'll do on cryogenics and I [TS]

00:31:27   speculate that will be your favorite you [TS]

00:31:28   love that [TS]

00:31:29   yeah so why doesn't appeal to you that [TS]

00:31:31   like what is it that you find resistant [TS]

00:31:33   about the idea [TS]

00:31:34   well I don't think it will work I think [TS]

00:31:37   the technologies to crude and if it did [TS]

00:31:40   work and they're able to revive [TS]

00:31:42   something in a thousand years time I [TS]

00:31:45   don't think that thing would be me and I [TS]

00:31:47   think there would be no connection of [TS]

00:31:49   consciousness and it would be kind of a [TS]

00:31:51   pointless thing I mean you might as well [TS]

00:31:53   the frozen my shoe and brought back to [TS]

00:31:56   life it's just a vessel that won't have [TS]

00:31:57   me in it so I'm pretty skeptical about [TS]

00:32:00   the whole thing and maybe all that money [TS]

00:32:01   could be used for something better for [TS]

00:32:03   family and you know almost any cause [TS]

00:32:07   would be a better use of the money but I [TS]

00:32:10   then do you think you know what do I [TS]

00:32:12   know about what we're gonna know in a [TS]

00:32:13   thousand years and maybe having my [TS]

00:32:16   frozen brain will make something [TS]

00:32:17   possible that i just had don't [TS]

00:32:19   understand this with the whole the [TS]

00:32:21   Pascal's wager stuff starts coming in [TS]

00:32:22   doesn't say you know that it's not for [TS]

00:32:25   me but I'm finding it harder and harder [TS]

00:32:28   to dismiss people is complete nut cases [TS]

00:32:30   for wanting to do it because who knows [TS]

00:32:32   where we're going to be in a thousand [TS]

00:32:33   years and maybe just having someone to [TS]

00:32:35   turn our 1000 years will be enough to [TS]

00:32:37   completely bring them back in their [TS]

00:32:39   consciousness and everything for all we [TS]

00:32:40   know there's so much stuff we don't [TS]

00:32:41   understand about people and [TS]

00:32:43   consciousness and the brain sort of [TS]

00:32:47   fascinated by thing you just tossed out [TS]

00:32:48   there and I want to go back to this but [TS]

00:32:50   when you said let's imagine that the [TS]

00:32:52   free 0 you die and they freeze you get [TS]

00:32:54   in a thousand years they wake you up [TS]

00:32:56   yep when you said that you think it [TS]

00:32:59   might not be you [TS]

00:33:00   ya go what do you mean by that you're [TS]

00:33:02   not going to pull the sleep card on me [TS]

00:33:04   know i know but i'm curious by what you [TS]

00:33:06   mean like do you mean that the thing [TS]

00:33:09   that wakes up will be [TS]

00:33:13   witches are like won't be alive or I'm [TS]

00:33:14   not quite sure what you mean by that I [TS]

00:33:16   don't know you're asking me to speculate [TS]

00:33:17   as I think now but I think if it has a [TS]

00:33:20   consciousness that probably wouldn't be [TS]

00:33:21   my consciousness i don't think the two [TS]

00:33:23   would be connected i think there would [TS]

00:33:25   be a catastrophic breakdown of whatever [TS]

00:33:29   makes me me caused by who [TS]

00:33:32   I death be the freezing process and that [TS]

00:33:35   is something far more catastrophic than [TS]

00:33:37   falling asleep i'm not bringing it to [TS]

00:33:38   sleep so you think it would be like a [TS]

00:33:41   brand-new person waking up is that what [TS]

00:33:43   you mean I don't know I find that hard [TS]

00:33:44   to believe it would be me [TS]

00:33:45   that's very interesting whether it's [TS]

00:33:47   something with consciousness and I [TS]

00:33:48   probably would all I would be doing was [TS]

00:33:50   to be putting down you know hundred [TS]

00:33:52   thousand bucks or something so that [TS]

00:33:54   something else could exist in a thousand [TS]

00:33:56   years that's not me and will be plenty [TS]

00:33:58   of stuff to exist in a thousand years [TS]

00:33:59   without something happen to be made from [TS]

00:34:01   the mush of my brain [TS]

00:34:03   mmm stand by I'm just fascinated by that [TS]

00:34:05   because i have had over the years [TS]

00:34:06   conversations on cryogenics with people [TS]

00:34:09   sometimes I've never heard anybody have [TS]

00:34:11   that worried that the thing that that [TS]

00:34:13   would wake up wouldn't be them i think [TS]

00:34:16   that's really interesting [TS]

00:34:17   that's a really interesting different [TS]

00:34:19   take on it that I find surprising i just [TS]

00:34:22   think the preservation of the brain is [TS]

00:34:24   such a messy process at the moment and [TS]

00:34:26   so much stuff goes wrong with it and I [TS]

00:34:29   just don't think it could still be may [TS]

00:34:30   that's interesting i guess my take on it [TS]

00:34:34   the whole reason why I would be open to [TS]

00:34:36   the idea and seriously looked into it at [TS]

00:34:38   one point is because I feel like well [TS]

00:34:41   this is a total game of probabilities I [TS]

00:34:44   think anybody who's frozen now might [TS]

00:34:47   have quite literally less than a [TS]

00:34:49   one-in-a-billion chance of ever being [TS]

00:34:51   revived everything we seem to know about [TS]

00:34:53   like the way that the freezing process [TS]

00:34:54   works even putting aside like how likely [TS]

00:34:57   is it that an institution that is [TS]

00:34:59   preserving these bodies is going to last [TS]

00:35:01   for as long as necessary [TS]

00:35:03   there's so many questions around the [TS]

00:35:06   possibility of it working but the thing [TS]

00:35:09   is when you die and they burn your [TS]

00:35:13   corpse or bury you in the ground you [TS]

00:35:16   have an absolutely zero percent chance [TS]

00:35:18   of coming back so I feel like well [TS]

00:35:21   you're not going to need that money [TS]

00:35:22   after you're dead and so why not spend [TS]

00:35:25   some money [TS]

00:35:26   me on essentially like the grandest [TS]

00:35:29   lottery ticket that is possible [TS]

00:35:31   yeah why not roll those dice y just walk [TS]

00:35:35   away from the table and say I've had [TS]

00:35:36   enough thanks it was fun [TS]

00:35:39   why not take one last roll of the dice [TS]

00:35:41   with your dying hand I feel like I can [TS]

00:35:43   see that being worth doing [TS]

00:35:45   I hear your argument i guess the [TS]

00:35:46   question is at what point to those odds [TS]

00:35:49   become so small that you think a better [TS]

00:35:52   use of your money would be instead of [TS]

00:35:54   buying that lottery ticket to let [TS]

00:35:56   someone you love now use the money for [TS]

00:35:59   something [TS]

00:35:59   yeah they can use it for cryogenic [TS]

00:36:01   services that can use it for ya yeah i [TS]

00:36:04   think the payoff of potentially having [TS]

00:36:06   life in the future is shockingly high it [TS]

00:36:11   does become very very Pascal's wager e [TS]

00:36:13   in a sense because if you're talking [TS]

00:36:14   about like infinite rewards and [TS]

00:36:16   intestinal possibilities [TS]

00:36:18   I can totally see where this becomes a [TS]

00:36:19   thing where you can just kind of come [TS]

00:36:20   down on one side or the other but I feel [TS]

00:36:23   like the possibility of living again [TS]

00:36:25   after death is worth rolling the dice [TS]

00:36:28   even if it is incredibly unlikely well [TS]

00:36:31   let me ask you another more meaningful [TS]

00:36:33   question if I dare you know why do you [TS]

00:36:35   want more life because it's better than [TS]

00:36:37   being dead [TS]

00:36:38   yeah I don't think that's like a hard [TS]

00:36:40   question right yeah being dead [TS]

00:36:42   you know it doesn't seem very appealing [TS]

00:36:44   you know we've all done it before we [TS]

00:36:45   know what it's like and I don't feel [TS]

00:36:47   like having another eternity of that so [TS]

00:36:49   we don't know what it's like do you know [TS]

00:36:50   what it was like before you were born I [TS]

00:36:52   don't know what it was like before I was [TS]

00:36:53   born [TS]

00:36:53   of course you do there was nothing is [TS]

00:36:55   forever right that's what it was [TS]

00:36:56   you have no experience of anything and [TS]

00:36:58   so I feel like well of course more life [TS]

00:37:01   is better than more of that that's why [TS]

00:37:03   the cryogenic thing seems like it's [TS]

00:37:04   worth rolling the dice and taking the [TS]

00:37:06   risk [TS]

00:37:06   ok i also learned today that Walt Disney [TS]

00:37:09   wasn't currently stored really is that [TS]

00:37:12   just an urban legend [TS]

00:37:13   that's an open legend he was connected [TS]

00:37:15   Wow seen it yet cremation the opposite [TS]

00:37:18   of cryogenic yeah we want to make sure [TS]

00:37:21   there's a 0% chance we're going to take [TS]

00:37:24   your body and we're gonna put entropy to [TS]

00:37:26   the max [TS]

00:37:28   that's gonna need some rotech to bring [TS]

00:37:30   him back here yeah that is beyond the [TS]

00:37:32   pale ok [TS]

00:37:33   all information lost its just totally [TS]

00:37:36   gone no more wonders name [TS]

00:37:37   sorry everybody sorry kids thank you to [TS]

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00:37:57   internet now the most recent audiobook [TS]

00:37:59   for me was one lots of people have been [TS]

00:38:00   talking about ready player one by Ernest [TS]

00:38:03   client for those of you who don't know [TS]

00:38:05   what it's about [TS]

00:38:06   I'm not going to spoil it in fact i was [TS]

00:38:08   so spoiler-free I went into this not [TS]

00:38:11   even knowing if it was fiction or [TS]

00:38:13   nonfiction I listened to on a holiday [TS]

00:38:15   and I was so engrossed I was even [TS]

00:38:16   finding excuses to listen a bit longer [TS]

00:38:19   extending a walk going to the gym maybe [TS]

00:38:22   having just one more drink by the pole [TS]

00:38:24   actually probably the drinks by the pool [TS]

00:38:26   excuse was used a lot more than the gym [TS]

00:38:27   but you get the idea [TS]

00:38:29   this book's really addictive and worked [TS]

00:38:31   really well and audio i listened to the [TS]

00:38:33   version rated by will waiting and many [TS]

00:38:36   of you will know there's a steven [TS]

00:38:37   spielberg film on the way based on the [TS]

00:38:39   book so why not make sure your across [TS]

00:38:41   the original material before that comes [TS]

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00:38:45   really great app there are no problems [TS]

00:38:47   exchanging books if you end up with one [TS]

00:38:49   you don't enjoy so much and although i'm [TS]

00:38:51   not used it yet i hear great things [TS]

00:38:53   about the whispersync for voice feature [TS]

00:38:55   which lets you switch back and forth [TS]

00:38:57   between reading the book on say kindle [TS]

00:38:59   or kindle app and listening to the [TS]

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00:39:03   your place where was I up to where was [TS]

00:39:05   up to the audiobook we was up to on my [TS]

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00:39:10   and of course remember that 30-day free [TS]

00:39:12   trial the first time you sign up with [TS]

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00:39:20   them for supporting the podcast so the [TS]

00:39:23   other thing I've been following this [TS]

00:39:25   week with great interest actually more [TS]

00:39:27   interested I would have expected is the [TS]

00:39:29   chess world championship [TS]

00:39:31   oh really mrs. come onto your radar at [TS]

00:39:33   all now I've heard another was the chess [TS]

00:39:35   world have his shift why would I know [TS]

00:39:37   there's a third world champion so you [TS]

00:39:39   don't mind chest and used to play a bit [TS]

00:39:40   so made me think [TS]

00:39:41   you know you know more about chessdom me [TS]

00:39:43   I thought certainly playing I'm a [TS]

00:39:44   terrible player but i'm very interested [TS]

00:39:46   in like the personalities and the [TS]

00:39:48   stories of jess of course you are [TS]

00:39:50   actually who you love yourself some [TS]

00:39:52   personalities and I don't care at all [TS]

00:39:54   about the people playing chess but i did [TS]

00:39:56   play chess a long time ago and I was [TS]

00:39:58   very bad when i did play a long time ago [TS]

00:39:59   but this is the first time I've ever [TS]

00:40:01   followed one as it happened and I've [TS]

00:40:04   read a lot about historic ones and I've [TS]

00:40:05   really gotten into it like I've been [TS]

00:40:07   watching like these sort of 45-minute [TS]

00:40:08   hour-long summaries of the games [TS]

00:40:10   afterwards where they explain all the [TS]

00:40:11   moves of what was going on [TS]

00:40:13   who I've been really into it for those [TS]

00:40:15   who don't know it's currently well as [TS]

00:40:17   we're recording it's currently going on [TS]

00:40:18   it probably will be over by the time [TS]

00:40:19   people hear this [TS]

00:40:20   it's between the reigning world champion [TS]

00:40:23   magnus carlsen moved from Sweden and the [TS]

00:40:26   challengers sergej carry aiken from [TS]

00:40:28   Russia and by the way [TS]

00:40:31   Magnus Carlsen is not from Sweden he's [TS]

00:40:33   from know why I just said that because I [TS]

00:40:35   knew how much it would stare up all the [TS]

00:40:36   Norwegian business [TS]

00:40:37   okay well girl I will convert the [TS]

00:40:40   trouble i even went so far as to find [TS]

00:40:42   out just to double check that Sweden was [TS]

00:40:44   the country that would upset the most [TS]

00:40:45   for me to say gonna get this this feels [TS]

00:40:48   to me like a very Brady moment ok this [TS]

00:40:50   is not a real core of your personalities [TS]

00:40:52   checking for now because I want to find [TS]

00:40:54   there's how many people like pawns the [TS]

00:40:56   podcast right and we didn't make it [TS]

00:40:58   it's instantly noticed a second ascent [TS]

00:41:00   that is totally a thing people pause the [TS]

00:41:04   podcast to immediately write out the [TS]

00:41:05   tweet and then unpause it to hear the [TS]

00:41:07   clarifying sentence little it's [TS]

00:41:10   definitely happens so you're going to [TS]

00:41:12   enjoy some of those tweets [TS]

00:41:13   I'm very aware Magnus Carlsen's from [TS]

00:41:15   nowhere actually know quite a lot about [TS]

00:41:16   him i'm oddly fascinated by himself hmm [TS]

00:41:19   anyway I've gotten so into it the other [TS]

00:41:21   night when it was happening they playing [TS]

00:41:23   in New York i actually woke up and like [TS]

00:41:25   started watching on twitch light live [TS]

00:41:28   commentary of like this six and a half [TS]

00:41:30   hour game at one point my wife wake up [TS]

00:41:33   and like I said one earth you doing [TS]

00:41:36   because i had on my iPad as it i'm [TS]

00:41:38   watching the chess tournament and it was [TS]

00:41:40   like during one of these 20 minute gaps [TS]

00:41:42   between moves when they were just all [TS]

00:41:43   talking and speculating about what might [TS]

00:41:45   happen next [TS]

00:41:46   my god it wasn't even watching the game [TS]

00:41:48   i was watching like someone else's like [TS]

00:41:50   computerized bored of it because I [TS]

00:41:52   wasn't watching the live feed of the [TS]

00:41:53   actual game [TS]

00:41:54   guys don't understand you had a [TS]

00:41:56   heartbreaking because amazing stingy [TS]

00:41:58   with all I've just gotten consumed by [TS]

00:42:00   how do they feel 20 minute gaps between [TS]

00:42:02   moves like where they comment on [TS]

00:42:04   well they have two boards on the screen [TS]

00:42:06   the 1i watched have two boards on the [TS]

00:42:07   screen okay [TS]

00:42:08   the smaller board on one side is the [TS]

00:42:10   current state of play mhm and on the [TS]

00:42:11   Left they use a bit of a sandbox and [TS]

00:42:14   they're like well he could move this one [TS]

00:42:15   here but then he'd move this one here [TS]

00:42:17   and you just watch all the potential [TS]

00:42:18   things that player and actually that [TS]

00:42:21   brought up one of the points I wanted to [TS]

00:42:22   make from watching one of my [TS]

00:42:23   observations because I've always been a [TS]

00:42:26   little bit fascinated by these grand [TS]

00:42:28   masters of chess and a little bit in all [TS]

00:42:30   of them but watching this is kind of [TS]

00:42:32   taken that away a bit and this will [TS]

00:42:34   actually probably make you love them [TS]

00:42:36   more but it makes me love them unless [TS]

00:42:37   it's made me realize how much they're [TS]

00:42:40   just like pure computers [TS]

00:42:42   uh-huh like the people who are best at [TS]

00:42:44   chess I just the people who can hold a [TS]

00:42:46   lot of information in their brain em and [TS]

00:42:51   compute lots of moves under time [TS]

00:42:54   pressure and like it's taking away some [TS]

00:42:56   of the magic I always felt of that [TS]

00:42:58   creative moments or just following like [TS]

00:43:00   an instinct or something that and it has [TS]

00:43:01   made me realize more and more that the [TS]

00:43:03   people who are best chess are people who [TS]

00:43:05   just got serious hardware up top [TS]

00:43:08   sometimes Britney I feel like I don't [TS]

00:43:10   understand you at all like what on earth [TS]

00:43:12   did you think chess grandmasters could [TS]

00:43:14   possibly be except humans with brains [TS]

00:43:18   bizarrely specialized for this one [TS]

00:43:21   activity like i'll get there anything [TS]

00:43:24   else i think because i read lots of nice [TS]

00:43:27   literature about chess players i kind of [TS]

00:43:29   just conjured up something a little bit [TS]

00:43:31   more magical in my head a little bit [TS]

00:43:32   more like creative and dashing and [TS]

00:43:36   unpredictable and like even though I'm [TS]

00:43:37   not belittling the skill of being a good [TS]

00:43:40   chess player and the amazing this other [TS]

00:43:41   it certainly beyond they are my brain [TS]

00:43:43   melts just watching a who but I've kind [TS]

00:43:46   of lost I've lost something [TS]

00:43:49   what if I lost gray help me on the word [TS]

00:43:50   I don't know what you've lost except [TS]

00:43:52   your own incorrect fantasy about which [TS]

00:43:56   has plans and what I was looking for [TS]

00:43:58   incorrect fantasy [TS]

00:44:00   like I don't know what youre imagine [TS]

00:44:02   what you're thinking chess players are [TS]

00:44:03   like poets or something I don't [TS]

00:44:05   understand what you were thinking [TS]

00:44:07   yeah maybe that's it maybe there was a [TS]

00:44:09   little bit of that like I knew they were [TS]

00:44:10   super spy could like see ahead and like [TS]

00:44:13   hot had incredible memories and had [TS]

00:44:15   computational power but i think i saw a [TS]

00:44:18   little bit more poetry in there somehow [TS]

00:44:19   and now I'm realizing that was an [TS]

00:44:22   incorrect fantasy [TS]

00:44:23   yeah this to me falls into the like the [TS]

00:44:25   thing I've said it many different places [TS]

00:44:26   in many different areas that the people [TS]

00:44:28   who are best in the world at anything [TS]

00:44:30   our total freaks because they like they [TS]

00:44:33   have to be if you have anything that's [TS]

00:44:35   remotely competitive it's like the [TS]

00:44:37   people who are best in the business [TS]

00:44:39   world if they like broken people but [TS]

00:44:41   they're broken in this useful way where [TS]

00:44:43   they create businesses for the rest of [TS]

00:44:44   us just constantly right here if you [TS]

00:44:46   look at athletes like the people who are [TS]

00:44:48   the best in the world are people who are [TS]

00:44:50   total freaks because they have a [TS]

00:44:52   combination of like the perfect genetics [TS]

00:44:54   and a kind of mental attitude that is [TS]

00:44:58   very conducive to training that nobody [TS]

00:45:00   could possibly endure and so in chess [TS]

00:45:03   where you have an activity that is just [TS]

00:45:06   incredibly perfectly cerebral and [TS]

00:45:09   computational of course you should find [TS]

00:45:12   the people in the world who are [TS]

00:45:14   functionally human computers [TS]

00:45:16   that's what you should expect to find [TS]

00:45:18   playing chess yeah I guess that's what's [TS]

00:45:20   taken away some of the magic though [TS]

00:45:22   because like if I'm watching a game of [TS]

00:45:24   cricket or football or something [TS]

00:45:26   there's not a little bar down the bottom [TS]

00:45:28   that will say what the computer says [TS]

00:45:30   that if he bowls the next ball here he [TS]

00:45:32   would definitely win the game where his [TS]

00:45:33   chest it's a bit like the computer says [TS]

00:45:35   Carlson's next move should be this [TS]

00:45:37   evening and then 99 times out of a [TS]

00:45:40   hundred that's the movie will do right [TS]

00:45:42   it's almost like well why even watching [TS]

00:45:43   humans do this now that it's not helped [TS]

00:45:45   by the fact they're playing drawer after [TS]

00:45:47   draw after draw write that they have [TS]

00:45:49   been quite exciting drawers and don't [TS]

00:45:51   get all upset chest fans i have been [TS]

00:45:53   appreciating the games and sometimes [TS]

00:45:55   they do a move that's not predicted by [TS]

00:45:56   the computer and that's quite exciting [TS]

00:45:58   and I have really enjoyed it [TS]

00:46:00   well I'm glad you enjoyed it but it to [TS]

00:46:02   me it's also like well these people [TS]

00:46:04   aren't the best chess players in the [TS]

00:46:06   world anyway any more computers of the [TS]

00:46:07   best chess players in the world so it's [TS]

00:46:09   like you're watching a bunch of [TS]

00:46:11   inadequate computers playing [TS]

00:46:13   the game it's like there could be much [TS]

00:46:14   better games being played by computers [TS]

00:46:16   but we just don't do that because people [TS]

00:46:18   want to see a human do it was like oh [TS]

00:46:19   you're not even watching the best in the [TS]

00:46:21   world because the best in the world are [TS]

00:46:22   not humans with the chess tournament [TS]

00:46:24   should actually be right is the best [TS]

00:46:26   computers Blanche our why go away [TS]

00:46:30   oh well like silliness and you know i [TS]

00:46:32   don't think that silliness [TS]

00:46:33   I think that the chest thing exists [TS]

00:46:34   because people want to see other people [TS]

00:46:36   do it but then it becomes not about like [TS]

00:46:38   what's the best chess game that exists [TS]

00:46:40   it's more about like I want to see [TS]

00:46:42   monkeys playing chess [TS]

00:46:43   look at these monkeys that are [TS]

00:46:44   freakishly like computers playing chess [TS]

00:46:46   this is what i'm actually watching you [TS]

00:46:48   want to see the the best chess game [TS]

00:46:50   watch two computers play each other but [TS]

00:46:51   nobody wants to do that because they [TS]

00:46:53   want to watch monkeys play chess monkeys [TS]

00:46:54   that are like computers that really what [TS]

00:46:57   you believe you'd rather watch trey [TS]

00:46:58   computers than the two best treatments [TS]

00:47:00   well I have no interest in watching [TS]

00:47:01   either i couldn't possibly imagine [TS]

00:47:03   watching a chess game if I said you have [TS]

00:47:05   to watch one you choose the computers [TS]

00:47:07   but your this is a different thing now [TS]

00:47:09   right what about empathy [TS]

00:47:11   what about empathizing with the players [TS]

00:47:12   and the stress there under the pressure [TS]

00:47:14   and like the egos involved that knowing [TS]

00:47:17   that one of them is going to be [TS]

00:47:18   humiliated and but that's been the most [TS]

00:47:20   interesting part of this the body [TS]

00:47:21   language the storming out of press [TS]

00:47:23   conferences the big egos been crushed [TS]

00:47:26   yeah but that's a different thing like [TS]

00:47:27   that's all we want to watch the monkeys [TS]

00:47:28   play chess [TS]

00:47:29   that's what it is like monkeys want to [TS]

00:47:30   watch a bunch of monkeys playing games [TS]

00:47:31   and i understand that like that's what [TS]

00:47:33   sports is that's what any of this stuff [TS]

00:47:34   is I think the chest one is extra funny [TS]

00:47:36   because it's an area where unlike sports [TS]

00:47:39   at least for now until the RoboCup [TS]

00:47:41   catches up [TS]

00:47:41   humans are the best in the world at [TS]

00:47:44   sports right so it's like you're [TS]

00:47:45   watching both the humans and the best [TS]

00:47:48   example of this thing possible right [TS]

00:47:50   where the chest wanted two strikes me as [TS]

00:47:51   funny because it's like well it lays [TS]

00:47:53   bare more clearly what's really [TS]

00:47:55   happening is that the humans want to [TS]

00:47:57   watch humans doing a thing right that's [TS]

00:47:59   what the Korea maybe that's partly what [TS]

00:48:01   struck me maybe that's partly the [TS]

00:48:03   emotion i was having that it's a funny [TS]

00:48:05   thing that when you say about like the [TS]

00:48:06   mechanical miss of it because this is [TS]

00:48:08   one of the reasons why I lost interest [TS]

00:48:11   in chess at a certain point was because [TS]

00:48:14   I recognize like Oh once you get beyond [TS]

00:48:17   the basics like it very quickly becomes [TS]

00:48:19   about just the sheer number of positions [TS]

00:48:23   that you have seen that you are familiar [TS]

00:48:25   with and I feel like this game became [TS]

00:48:28   less fun because of this because now i [TS]

00:48:31   see like Oh to get better it's really [TS]

00:48:33   like a game of incredible memorization [TS]

00:48:35   and it becomes like yeah I'm learning [TS]

00:48:37   routines to go through these various [TS]

00:48:39   things and I've seen some stats on how [TS]

00:48:41   long the openings are for chess games [TS]

00:48:44   until you get to like a unique position [TS]

00:48:46   that has never been seen like it's [TS]

00:48:47   incredibly long ya is one of the reasons [TS]

00:48:50   why I know Bobby Fischer was pushing his [TS]

00:48:51   version of random chess which i did play [TS]

00:48:54   a few games of and I felt like I wish [TS]

00:48:56   this had caught on because this actually [TS]

00:48:58   gets the game I think much more towards [TS]

00:49:00   what you would want which is by [TS]

00:49:03   randomizing with some rules the starting [TS]

00:49:06   location of all of the pieces i think it [TS]

00:49:09   knocks people out of the you are an [TS]

00:49:11   incredible computer that is just [TS]

00:49:13   recalling a database of moves and it [TS]

00:49:16   gets the game much more into a you have [TS]

00:49:18   to be creative because the number of [TS]

00:49:20   permutations here creates boards that no [TS]

00:49:22   one has ever seen like an every single [TS]

00:49:24   game and I think that that would [TS]

00:49:26   actually be much more interesting to [TS]

00:49:29   play and much more interesting to watch [TS]

00:49:32   play is a lousy random setup of the [TS]

00:49:34   board every time so another thing I've [TS]

00:49:36   realized this is like a naive [TS]

00:49:38   realization but it's just I found a [TS]

00:49:40   quite cute in myself who that is the [TS]

00:49:43   importance of pawns in chess like when [TS]

00:49:48   you're like dominant young like me when [TS]

00:49:49   I was playing as a kid the pawns were [TS]

00:49:51   almost these things you wanted to get [TS]

00:49:52   off the board as soon as possible was [TS]

00:49:54   like got in the way of all the powerful [TS]

00:49:55   pieces of food you know blazing they [TS]

00:49:57   weren't doing all the cool things they [TS]

00:49:59   could do and like losing a porn meant [TS]

00:50:01   nothing to me but these guys will fight [TS]

00:50:03   to the death to protect appointment who [TS]

00:50:05   forms are so important to them it's so [TS]

00:50:08   funny to me how Cavalier I always was [TS]

00:50:10   but are you go on take a few of my point [TS]

00:50:12   I don't care just means I can move my [TS]

00:50:13   queen better in all these endgames the [TS]

00:50:16   pawns it is so important to the whole [TS]

00:50:18   game [TS]

00:50:19   yeah well there's the quote which is [TS]

00:50:20   that the ponds are the soul of chest [TS]

00:50:22   which is definitely true especially [TS]

00:50:23   because of their funny attacking [TS]

00:50:25   sideways thing that the structures that [TS]

00:50:26   you end up creating with the ponds [TS]

00:50:28   really determine the flow [TS]

00:50:30   what's happening on the board but i also [TS]

00:50:32   think it's because at that high of a [TS]

00:50:35   level upon is the largest size mistake [TS]

00:50:39   could you possibly going to make right [TS]

00:50:41   like the best players in the world are [TS]

00:50:42   not going to do the kind of thing that [TS]

00:50:43   like me as a normal player would do of [TS]

00:50:45   like oops i wasn't paying attention and [TS]

00:50:47   i lost my rook right like that doesn't [TS]

00:50:49   happen you know I didn't even know you [TS]

00:50:50   could take my roof with and didn't say [TS]

00:50:52   that Bishop over there [TS]

00:50:53   yeah that's exactly it like I feel like [TS]

00:50:55   I remember we know I was terrible player [TS]

00:50:57   but i remember playing against friends [TS]

00:50:59   like intentionally hiding a bishop like [TS]

00:51:01   on the corner of the port's that you [TS]

00:51:03   just don't like someone doesn't know [TS]

00:51:04   it's like I don't think it was sort of [TS]

00:51:07   errors are happening at the grand master [TS]

00:51:09   level but so I think the only thing that [TS]

00:51:11   ends up happening is upon level error [TS]

00:51:13   yeah I don't think this cows gonna say [TS]

00:51:15   all I forgot that one could move [TS]

00:51:17   diagonal ation yeah exactly like those [TS]

00:51:19   night there so tricky with their [TS]

00:51:21   l-shaped moves that way to get that's [TS]

00:51:26   like the biggest mistake that's ever [TS]

00:51:28   going to happen is if someone gets [TS]

00:51:29   maneuvered into a position where they [TS]

00:51:32   end up losing upon and then that is [TS]

00:51:33   actually quite dramatic at the grand [TS]

00:51:35   master level [TS]

00:51:36   yeah and my last observation who maybe [TS]

00:51:40   suggestion and I know this is gonna let [TS]

00:51:42   upset some people who but I'm i don't [TS]

00:51:45   know how i feel about it I don't think [TS]

00:51:47   people should resign in games of chess [TS]

00:51:51   who but I understand when they agree to [TS]

00:51:54   a draw but what happens in so many games [TS]

00:51:56   is one of them resins and I can't even [TS]

00:51:58   really see why they've lost em and then [TS]

00:52:01   let the experts will say well this would [TS]

00:52:03   have happened in this would have [TS]

00:52:04   happened then of course this would have [TS]

00:52:05   happened there will be no choice but [TS]

00:52:06   this would have happened and ultimately [TS]

00:52:07   he would have been left in this position [TS]

00:52:09   in which case he would have lost who I [TS]

00:52:11   think they should play it out just for [TS]

00:52:13   the spectators and also there's [TS]

00:52:15   something so dramatic about checkmate [TS]

00:52:17   little that you never see check my in [TS]

00:52:20   games of chess between grandmasters [TS]

00:52:21   because they both see it coming a mile [TS]

00:52:23   off who and resign before it happens and [TS]

00:52:25   i think we should get to see the death [TS]

00:52:27   of the king who [TS]

00:52:28   and also I think you should be made to [TS]

00:52:30   go through if you lose you should be [TS]

00:52:31   made to play it out and lose your king I [TS]

00:52:34   find a little bit disappointing and I [TS]

00:52:35   can see reasons for you know saving time [TS]

00:52:38   and energy that but I think you [TS]

00:52:40   shouldn't resign i think they should [TS]

00:52:41   play it out and we should get to see the [TS]

00:52:43   check back we should get to see the coup [TS]

00:52:44   de Gras I mean could you imagine in a [TS]

00:52:47   baseball game if a better example might [TS]

00:52:49   be a football game or something in a [TS]

00:52:51   football game and some team is [TS]

00:52:52   down by 30 points and there's 20 30 [TS]

00:52:57   seconds left they still play to the [TS]

00:52:58   buzzer [TS]

00:52:59   you don't just the other team doesn't [TS]

00:53:00   just walk off so you have one and leave [TS]

00:53:03   the field we got no hope now we're never [TS]

00:53:06   gonna come back in that time before you [TS]

00:53:08   play there i would like to see these [TS]

00:53:09   chess games played out i was thinking of [TS]

00:53:12   how at our alabama football game like [TS]

00:53:15   what would be the feeling in the stadium [TS]

00:53:17   if the opposing team just halfway [TS]

00:53:19   through just walked off like okay we [TS]

00:53:21   resign if you like are you kidding me [TS]

00:53:24   we're here for a thing like to watch the [TS]

00:53:26   thing i'm totally with you like if [TS]

00:53:27   resigning is a super common thing at the [TS]

00:53:29   grand master level i would feel really [TS]

00:53:30   disappointed by that if i was a fan and [TS]

00:53:32   I wouldn't watch grand master chess cry [TS]

00:53:34   you'd never see a check night [TS]

00:53:35   it's always a resignation now i have [TS]

00:53:37   many reasons not to watch like what you [TS]

00:53:39   want to see is I want to see someone's [TS]

00:53:41   King dramatically knocked over right [TS]

00:53:43   there has to be the end of every chess [TS]

00:53:44   game [TS]

00:53:45   checkmate so exciting but they just [TS]

00:53:46   never do and i understand i see it [TS]

00:53:48   coming and it's inevitable but i still [TS]

00:53:50   think I play it out for us to see it [TS]

00:53:51   happen and be you never know mistakes [TS]

00:53:54   get made [TS]

00:53:55   I'm with you I'm with you on this one [TS]

00:53:56   play to the end people don't resign [TS]

00:53:58   don't resign like a chicken right yeah [TS]

00:54:01   exactly people should make the garden [TS]

00:54:02   oasis in the audience when someone [TS]

00:54:04   resins is there an audience can people [TS]

00:54:06   like jeer I don't understand either but [TS]

00:54:07   yeah there's an audience for your [TS]

00:54:09   audience's it was famous all the [TS]

00:54:11   problems with the audience and the bobby [TS]

00:54:12   fischer Spassky chess game of the [TS]

00:54:14   century before show always said they're [TS]

00:54:16   making too much noise or one of them [TS]

00:54:17   further away and he was a really funny [TS]

00:54:19   being about the audience so then they [TS]

00:54:21   went played in a back room for two or [TS]

00:54:23   three games because he didn't want an [TS]

00:54:24   audience and they put camera in there so [TS]

00:54:26   the audience could watch out in the hole [TS]

00:54:27   and then eventually he agreed to come [TS]

00:54:29   back out into the hole but we go again [TS]

00:54:31   I'm sure Bobby Fischer was a supernormal [TS]

00:54:32   dude right because it's the best person [TS]

00:54:34   that chest in the world and the picture [TS]

00:54:36   of your malice see ya [TS]

00:54:37   yeah i like the idea of people blocking [TS]

00:54:39   at the person who resigns you should [TS]

00:54:40   play until the end [TS]

00:54:41   yeah and i agree with you like it is [TS]

00:54:43   almost impossible to imagine that in the [TS]

00:54:45   history of chess no grand master has [TS]

00:54:47   ever resigned a game that they would [TS]

00:54:50   have won if they played through to the [TS]

00:54:52   end [TS]

00:54:52   yeah right like that has to be the case [TS]

00:54:54   that someone was wrong at some point so [TS]

00:54:56   I think they should play through to the [TS]

00:54:57   end even if they play faster this is to [TS]

00:54:59   play through to the end without a doubt [TS]

00:55:01   maybe you and I should play chess [TS]

00:55:02   breathing oh that would be that would [TS]

00:55:04   not be good [TS]

00:55:05   no we said two against Iran [TS]

00:55:06   chess on the YouTube channel and we let [TS]

00:55:08   people comment on it when people could [TS]

00:55:10   do running commentaries unless the [TS]

00:55:11   random configuration starts with me [TS]

00:55:13   already having given checkmate [TS]

00:55:15   I don't fancy much answers but so great [TS]

00:55:19   i have started putting a small piece of [TS]

00:55:21   black tape over my webcam [TS]

00:55:23   oh really why have you done that Brady [TS]

00:55:26   why have you done that well obviously [TS]

00:55:28   this is following up on a discussion [TS]

00:55:30   about whether or not people can hack [TS]

00:55:32   into webcams and I don't particularly [TS]

00:55:35   think they can and if they could I don't [TS]

00:55:38   think that particularly want to do it to [TS]

00:55:39   me who and if they did do it to me i'm [TS]

00:55:42   not particularly worried about them [TS]

00:55:43   watching me edit videos and look at my [TS]

00:55:46   periodic table on the wall behind me who [TS]

00:55:48   and also i know that that zuckerberg [TS]

00:55:51   does and then I saw the boss of the FBI [TS]

00:55:52   apparently also put tape over his webcam [TS]

00:55:55   on his computer as well it's reaching a [TS]

00:55:57   point now I'm thinking hang on all these [TS]

00:56:00   people who know stuff doing it maybe I'm [TS]

00:56:02   supposed to be doing it [TS]

00:56:03   what about you yeah well the quick [TS]

00:56:06   answer to what you said there's for the [TS]

00:56:08   moment I haven't actually put anything [TS]

00:56:10   over the cameras yet but going back to [TS]

00:56:12   that conversation we had where we were [TS]

00:56:14   widely speculated photography will have [TS]

00:56:16   information about a thing we're talking [TS]

00:56:19   about computer security [TS]

00:56:20   it was one of those interesting [TS]

00:56:21   conversations because often when you're [TS]

00:56:24   talking on a podcast I'm so aware of [TS]

00:56:26   back in the editing you you realize in [TS]

00:56:30   all of our conversations like how often [TS]

00:56:32   you have assumptions in your head that [TS]

00:56:34   you're kind of not saying out loud and [TS]

00:56:35   that security conversation was [TS]

00:56:37   definitely filled with a ton of those [TS]

00:56:38   week ended up getting like an enormous [TS]

00:56:40   amount of feedback listing a ton of [TS]

00:56:45   cases where yes someone was able to hack [TS]

00:56:48   into a person's camera or microphone [TS]

00:56:50   right it's just like a link to that that [TS]

00:56:52   discussion in the show notes but he's [TS]

00:56:55   like terrifying terrifying number of [TS]

00:56:59   stories and examples of people being [TS]

00:57:01   able to hack into devices now one of the [TS]

00:57:05   things that wasn't universally true but [TS]

00:57:08   was very very often the case in those [TS]

00:57:11   stories was there was some level of user [TS]

00:57:16   error right that the user had been [TS]

00:57:18   tricked into installing [TS]

00:57:19   piece of software that they shouldn't [TS]

00:57:21   write or the user had done an action [TS]

00:57:24   that had like open the door for malware [TS]

00:57:28   to get on the system right clicking a [TS]

00:57:30   link in an email you know [TS]

00:57:31   loading up a website that they should [TS]

00:57:32   all of this kind of stuff and so there's [TS]

00:57:35   this problem of computer security that [TS]

00:57:37   you can see unroll in that discussion [TS]

00:57:39   which is it is this balance of how much [TS]

00:57:44   does the attacker care and how secure is [TS]

00:57:48   your system and i think at the end of [TS]

00:57:50   that conversation in the red i came down [TS]

00:57:53   to the conclusion in some sense of like [TS]

00:57:55   well things are less secure than i [TS]

00:58:00   thought but still largely it's like [TS]

00:58:04   demonstrations of cases where you can [TS]

00:58:08   hack into someones device but if you [TS]

00:58:11   can't trick the user and if they're [TS]

00:58:14   using a secure platform it still ends up [TS]

00:58:17   being like near heroic amount of effort [TS]

00:58:20   that have to be done in order to be able [TS]

00:58:24   to do this and so I saw examples of [TS]

00:58:26   people saying like oh you can break into [TS]

00:58:28   somebody's iphone by installing a device [TS]

00:58:33   that pretends to be the local cell phone [TS]

00:58:35   network right when the person connects [TS]

00:58:36   to it and then you wait for them to [TS]

00:58:38   install an app and you have ready and [TS]

00:58:40   waiting like a fake version of the app [TS]

00:58:42   that they're going to install through [TS]

00:58:43   this fakeness like but I still think [TS]

00:58:45   like under most normal circumstances it [TS]

00:58:48   seems like if the user is relatively [TS]

00:58:50   savvy using a relatively secure system [TS]

00:58:53   the likelihood of this is not super high [TS]

00:58:56   but it's definitely it seems high her [TS]

00:59:00   than I had first mentally examined it [TS]

00:59:04   but i still have a ton of links and [TS]

00:59:05   things to go through and read in more [TS]

00:59:07   detail that resulted from that [TS]

00:59:08   conversation so this is just us kind of [TS]

00:59:11   talking out loud about that now one of [TS]

00:59:13   the things that I think is a bit of a [TS]

00:59:15   strange thing to think about though is [TS]

00:59:16   like so you said you put tape over your [TS]

00:59:18   computer the computer you're sitting in [TS]

00:59:20   front of right now is that the one that [TS]

00:59:21   you've done it wouldnt yeah but like [TS]

00:59:23   have you done it with your ipads and [TS]

00:59:26   with your phone i haven't done it with [TS]

00:59:28   those yet no [TS]

00:59:29   this is the fact of taking the type on [TS]

00:59:32   and off all the time [TS]

00:59:33   this is part of the thing which is also [TS]

00:59:34   a bit like well I have some devices that [TS]

00:59:37   are relatively easy to secure in terms [TS]

00:59:40   of like my office computer would be [TS]

00:59:42   trivially simple to do this I could [TS]

00:59:44   actually totally break the microphone on [TS]

00:59:46   my office computer and it would never [TS]

00:59:47   even matter to me right I could just [TS]

00:59:49   have the external microphone that i plug [TS]

00:59:50   in and I could cover up the camera on [TS]

00:59:52   that computer but then [TS]

00:59:54   well that's the device that i'm in front [TS]

00:59:56   of by far and away the least write the [TS]

00:59:59   thing this [TS]

00:59:59   thing this [TS]

01:00:00   hardest to secure is my phone which is [TS]

01:00:01   the thing that's with me all the time [TS]

01:00:03   it's like am I going to have something [TS]

01:00:05   over the microphone and over the cameras [TS]

01:00:07   on my phone that then becomes a super [TS]

01:00:11   hassle and it the more I think about [TS]

01:00:13   this it almost feels like there's no [TS]

01:00:14   real way to win this game right like the [TS]

01:00:18   devices that are easy to secure are the [TS]

01:00:20   ones you're probably using the least and [TS]

01:00:22   the ones that are the hardest to secure [TS]

01:00:24   are the ones that you're using the most [TS]

01:00:25   and that says something about you to [TS]

01:00:27   know that's not true with me but I guess [TS]

01:00:29   you're maybe you're more common case but [TS]

01:00:30   I'm certainly in front of this computer [TS]

01:00:32   a lot more than I'm on my phone on my [TS]

01:00:35   ipad if you break into my camera on my [TS]

01:00:38   iPad and she caught me watching netflix [TS]

01:00:41   last thing before I went to sleep [TS]

01:00:43   you wouldn't say much and on my phone [TS]

01:00:45   where you just probably stay inside my [TS]

01:00:46   pocket but presumably if someone's [TS]

01:00:48   turning on the microphone in your phone [TS]

01:00:50   yeah this is with you essentially all [TS]

01:00:52   the time I'd be shocked if you're saying [TS]

01:00:54   that you're you're using your office [TS]

01:00:55   computer more than your phone is with [TS]

01:00:57   you like I don't think that's probably [TS]

01:00:58   very likely yeah you probably around [TS]

01:00:59   Jamie like your phone is with you all [TS]

01:01:01   the time and that becomes very hard to [TS]

01:01:04   secure it like someone's in there and [TS]

01:01:06   they're able to turn on the cameras like [TS]

01:01:07   well they can turn on the microphone and [TS]

01:01:09   they can turn on the location services [TS]

01:01:10   and they can find out a bunch of other [TS]

01:01:11   stuff like if you've been tricked into [TS]

01:01:13   when installing software that you [TS]

01:01:14   shouldn't have installed so yeah I think [TS]

01:01:16   I I in the end i am going to just cover [TS]

01:01:20   up the camera on the devices that are [TS]

01:01:22   the easiest to do but i'm not sure like [TS]

01:01:24   I'm going to end up trying to do it on [TS]

01:01:26   my iPads in my phone because i'm just [TS]

01:01:29   not sure that like the risk-reward [TS]

01:01:31   profile there pays off in terms of this [TS]

01:01:34   year hassle of it but will say like man [TS]

01:01:38   that discussion thread on the reddit [TS]

01:01:40   there's not something to read right [TS]

01:01:42   before you go to bed that is not a thing [TS]

01:01:44   that's going to make you feel super [TS]

01:01:46   secure that's for sure [TS]

01:01:48   and speaking of things that make you [TS]

01:01:51   feel insecure this story that just [TS]

01:01:53   caught my attention today which in [TS]

01:01:55   theory i should be really angry about [TS]

01:01:57   this and I should be really worked up [TS]

01:02:00   and upset about this [TS]

01:02:01   perhaps the equivalent level that I get [TS]

01:02:03   upset about garbage but I feel like this [TS]

01:02:06   is a thing that is so big it's almost [TS]

01:02:09   like too big for me to react to [TS]

01:02:13   it is the fact that the UK they're [TS]

01:02:16   trying to pass this Investigatory Powers [TS]

01:02:19   bill which will require all of the [TS]

01:02:25   internet service providers in the UK all [TS]

01:02:27   of the mobile phone carriers in the UK [TS]

01:02:30   to record all of the websites their [TS]

01:02:34   individual users use for a year and to [TS]

01:02:41   turn them over to an enormous list of [TS]

01:02:45   government agencies without even a [TS]

01:02:47   warrant this to me is it is just [TS]

01:02:51   incredible [TS]

01:02:52   at the time of the recording this looks [TS]

01:02:54   like it's going to pass it looks like [TS]

01:02:55   it's actually going to get through and I [TS]

01:02:58   feel like this is unbelievable that this [TS]

01:03:00   to me is like so incredibly 1984 like I [TS]

01:03:06   find it hard to even react to [TS]

01:03:08   it's like it's just so big it's [TS]

01:03:10   mind-blowing such as someone working for [TS]

01:03:12   the food standards agency can say oh I [TS]

01:03:14   want to save cgp grace browsing history [TS]

01:03:16   for the last year and him have it [TS]

01:03:18   yeah i mean it like that sounds like an [TS]

01:03:20   exaggeration but that is literally what [TS]

01:03:22   it is there's this comical list of [TS]

01:03:25   government agencies that can just [TS]

01:03:27   request a specific persons browsing [TS]

01:03:31   history over the past year it's [TS]

01:03:34   absolutely crazy like the job seekers [TS]

01:03:37   government department which deals with [TS]

01:03:39   tons and tons of people can just request [TS]

01:03:40   it like somebody comes in and they're [TS]

01:03:43   looking for help for a job and a dude [TS]

01:03:44   can just be like Oh show me what this [TS]

01:03:46   person has browsing the internet for the [TS]

01:03:48   last year it's so incredibly invasive i [TS]

01:03:52   keep using this word she's like it's [TS]

01:03:54   just unbelievable [TS]

01:03:54   it's just totally shocking to me that [TS]

01:03:57   this is even really a thing I just can't [TS]

01:03:59   believe that I totally can't believe it [TS]

01:04:00   I don't know it's a great i can't [TS]

01:04:01   believe it oh that's crazy it's called [TS]

01:04:03   the investigatory powers bill [TS]

01:04:05   yeah and like I'm looking at this list [TS]

01:04:07   of things it's like the Food Standards [TS]

01:04:09   Agency places that you would expect [TS]

01:04:12   right the ministry of justice but also [TS]

01:04:14   like just the tax department is allowed [TS]

01:04:17   to look at everything that you've [TS]

01:04:18   browsed on the internet for the past [TS]

01:04:19   year my personal favorite on this list [TS]

01:04:22   which is like how did this even end up [TS]

01:04:23   here [TS]

01:04:23   the Welsh [TS]

01:04:25   ambulance services is allowed to look at [TS]

01:04:27   what you've been browsing on the [TS]

01:04:29   internet for the past year it's like to [TS]

01:04:31   me this is like this surface of attack [TS]

01:04:34   on this is just crazy it's like does [TS]

01:04:37   anybody think that all of these various [TS]

01:04:39   government agencies will be able to keep [TS]

01:04:42   all of this data secure it's totally [TS]

01:04:44   bizarre and I mean talking about [TS]

01:04:48   computer security I feel like well i've [TS]

01:04:50   been using a VPN for browsing Wi-Fi on [TS]

01:04:54   foreign networks but it looks like well [TS]

01:04:57   i guess i'm just going to be routing [TS]

01:04:59   everything I ever do on the internet [TS]

01:05:02   through a VPN for the rest of my life in [TS]

01:05:05   the United Kingdom to try to get around [TS]

01:05:06   this like it's absolutely crazy and I [TS]

01:05:08   can't believe that it looks like it's [TS]

01:05:10   going to pass that picked a good time to [TS]

01:05:11   sort of snakes through heavenly with so [TS]

01:05:14   much other big political news happening [TS]

01:05:16   all around the world people kind of [TS]

01:05:17   sleepwalking through this one [TS]

01:05:19   yeah I think they really are but go by [TS]

01:05:23   your VPN people need to learn about [TS]

01:05:25   those gray can you give me a tutorial [TS]

01:05:27   center yeah i'll set you will be it's [TS]

01:05:30   just so invasive [TS]

01:05:31   what else is there to say there's like a [TS]

01:05:33   government looking over your shoulder [TS]

01:05:34   and recording every website you go to [TS]

01:05:37   I can't believe it this episode of Hello [TS]

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01:07:06   supporting the show black mirror black [TS]

01:07:10   mirror I feel a bit better great because [TS]

01:07:12   obviously the homework we set which I [TS]

01:07:15   did we say I kind of thought it was [TS]

01:07:16   implicit is that we were talking about [TS]

01:07:18   the new series series ray which is me [TS]

01:07:21   recently put on netflix but I saw some [TS]

01:07:23   people sort of saying messages or how [TS]

01:07:25   much do i watch just watch series 12 i [TS]

01:07:27   have to watch series 2 and 3 as well but [TS]

01:07:29   no we already talked about episodes in [TS]

01:07:32   series one this is just series three [TS]

01:07:34   were saying to watch i'll try to pull it [TS]

01:07:36   up for the show notes but i know we we [TS]

01:07:37   have discussed in the past earlier [TS]

01:07:40   episodes of black mirror [TS]

01:07:42   we were just setting season 3 which does [TS]

01:07:45   have six episodes in it and if you're [TS]

01:07:47   feeling bad that you watch those earlier [TS]

01:07:49   episodes don't because they're fantastic [TS]

01:07:51   and secondly you can go listen to the [TS]

01:07:53   old shows I will put in the show notes [TS]

01:07:55   where we talk about some of those [TS]

01:07:56   episodes so we were just talking about [TS]

01:07:59   season 3 which we are going to do very [TS]

01:08:01   shortly so obviously as usual expect [TS]

01:08:05   spoilers expect spoilers for all of the [TS]

01:08:07   seasons because we might reference stuff [TS]

01:08:08   it's all going to happen so pause the [TS]

01:08:11   podcast now people go watch some [TS]

01:08:14   episodes if you haven't watched them [TS]

01:08:15   already [TS]

01:08:16   it's a very good TV series i think it's [TS]

01:08:18   totally worth it and now we're going to [TS]

01:08:19   talk about some stuff so there are six [TS]

01:08:21   episodes in serious right [TS]

01:08:22   mhm i have watched five of them i have [TS]

01:08:26   not watched episode 5 but I've watched [TS]

01:08:28   one two three four and six who have you [TS]

01:08:31   don't I broke it up into two sessions i [TS]

01:08:34   watched the first three episodes in one [TS]

01:08:36   session and the second three episodes [TS]

01:08:38   another so i have seen all of them [TS]

01:08:40   it's an interesting thing like this was [TS]

01:08:42   a longer season of black mirror than the [TS]

01:08:44   other ones i think the first season was [TS]

01:08:46   like three episodes the second season [TS]

01:08:47   was four and now this is [TS]

01:08:50   6 episode was kind of 33 and then a [TS]

01:08:53   Christmas special and then six so season [TS]

01:08:56   was three in season two was three [TS]

01:08:58   hmm then they had this special Christmas [TS]

01:09:00   one who's a longer episode okay and then [TS]

01:09:02   we've got six down series reflects [TS]

01:09:04   listing that it seems intended why i [TS]

01:09:06   think i was thinking about it but maybe [TS]

01:09:07   you are more technically correct yeah [TS]

01:09:08   just that sort of talking about it [TS]

01:09:10   overall I think it was kind of an [TS]

01:09:12   interesting viewing experience because i [TS]

01:09:14   think this this season cemented most [TS]

01:09:19   clearly to me this feeling that black [TS]

01:09:23   mirror is the twilight zone with [TS]

01:09:26   technology that that's what this TV show [TS]

01:09:28   is and I think that that comes with good [TS]

01:09:33   things in bad things so I i have watched [TS]

01:09:35   all of the twilight zone episodes at [TS]

01:09:37   various points in my life and gone [TS]

01:09:39   through like twilight zone kicks were [TS]

01:09:40   all cranked through a whole bunch of [TS]

01:09:41   them and whenever i do that one of the [TS]

01:09:44   things that I think is interesting is [TS]

01:09:46   how when I think about the twilight zone [TS]

01:09:49   I am in my head remembering actually a [TS]

01:09:52   relatively small subset of episodes that [TS]

01:09:55   really stick with me and when I rework [TS]

01:10:00   my way through the twilight zone i'm [TS]

01:10:01   aware of all of the episodes that I just [TS]

01:10:05   sort of forget about that don't stick [TS]

01:10:07   with me for some reason [TS]

01:10:08   mm and this season of black mirror I [TS]

01:10:13   really felt that I watched a bunch of [TS]

01:10:15   episodes but I feel like there was [TS]

01:10:18   really only one in this season that I [TS]

01:10:21   feel like I'm going to come back to and [TS]

01:10:23   think about a bunch and the others they [TS]

01:10:25   were very good just like when I'm [TS]

01:10:27   watching twilight zone i think like [TS]

01:10:28   these episodes are good they're [TS]

01:10:30   entertaining and like the blackmailer [TS]

01:10:32   episodes are vastly better than most [TS]

01:10:35   things on TV but it did feel like a [TS]

01:10:38   bunch of these episodes were just sort [TS]

01:10:40   of episodes in this black mirror world [TS]

01:10:43   to me and I didn't feel like oh wow i [TS]

01:10:45   was super grabbed by every single thing [TS]

01:10:48   that I saw those are sort of my general [TS]

01:10:51   impressions of series 3 [TS]

01:10:53   what do you think breeding you know I [TS]

01:10:54   think of the five of the six I've [TS]

01:10:56   watched and I've stopped watching five [TS]

01:10:58   and start because it wasn't grabbing me [TS]

01:10:59   but i will go back and watch you like [TS]

01:11:01   anything there was some sort of hits and [TS]

01:11:02   misses [TS]

01:11:03   thought they were probably more than one [TS]

01:11:05   that stuck with me there are a few of [TS]

01:11:06   them had me thinking the next day which [TS]

01:11:09   is about as good at testers you can [TS]

01:11:11   apply to these things I loved him you [TS]

01:11:14   know and surprisingly perhaps I'm not as [TS]

01:11:17   excited as I was by like series one when [TS]

01:11:19   it was new and interesting and something [TS]

01:11:21   really different you kind of know what [TS]

01:11:23   to expect now kind of a quest cynical [TS]

01:11:25   look at the way technology is [TS]

01:11:27   infiltrating society so you get there is [TS]

01:11:30   a sort of say meanest coming to it both [TS]

01:11:33   in the mood and the content of the shows [TS]

01:11:37   but i still think it's good i think it's [TS]

01:11:39   a good use of your time and I certainly [TS]

01:11:41   recommend watching them [TS]

01:11:42   oh yeah which was the one obviously [TS]

01:11:43   everyone's gonna want to know which the [TS]

01:11:44   episode was that did something to well [TS]

01:11:47   we'll get to that in a moment but i [TS]

01:11:48   think you actually hit upon an excellent [TS]

01:11:50   point there which is there is a little [TS]

01:11:52   bit of this a meanness in that i found [TS]

01:11:57   myself when watching these episodes this [TS]

01:11:59   time you sort of aware and waiting for [TS]

01:12:02   the thing like the moment we're like oh [TS]

01:12:04   we're going to learn about what this [TS]

01:12:05   world really is [TS]

01:12:06   yeah it's like a one-trick pony yeah [TS]

01:12:08   well I have mixed feelings about this [TS]

01:12:10   because I feel like it's gonna be like [TS]

01:12:13   super overblown but if you think about [TS]

01:12:15   the matrix which is I think it's 1999 [TS]

01:12:17   maybe a long time ago now but i feel [TS]

01:12:20   like the matrix set up like the modern [TS]

01:12:24   story of the world of like this is a [TS]

01:12:27   story about how the world is not what [TS]

01:12:29   you really think it is and particularly [TS]

01:12:32   is related to technology and I'm totally [TS]

01:12:34   fine with this as a story archetype that [TS]

01:12:38   is repeated over and over again and I [TS]

01:12:40   feel like that's particularly a modern [TS]

01:12:42   story archetype that like technology [TS]

01:12:44   makes the world not as it truly seems [TS]

01:12:46   yeah I felt like season 3 leaned on that [TS]

01:12:50   a bit too much with a number of the [TS]

01:12:53   episodes and so it's like episode to [TS]

01:12:56   play test the San junipero episode as [TS]

01:13:00   well like that leans on this idea of the [TS]

01:13:02   world that you see is not really what it [TS]

01:13:04   is and episode 5 the one that you were [TS]

01:13:06   watching as a similar kind of thing of [TS]

01:13:07   like Oh what the people are seeing is [TS]

01:13:09   not really what's occurring in the world [TS]

01:13:11   and so like while I don't mind that [TS]

01:13:15   as a story type i feel like in a [TS]

01:13:20   six-episode season four three of the [TS]

01:13:23   episodes to turn on that exact same [TS]

01:13:25   point was like a little bit too many [TS]

01:13:27   right I felt a little bit like I know [TS]

01:13:30   this i'm fine with this story but not [TS]

01:13:32   like three times in a row and my fine [TS]

01:13:35   with it i just had episode 5 support me [TS]

01:13:37   by the way people say just so you know [TS]

01:13:39   that's okay i knew i was walking into [TS]

01:13:41   the spoilers i'm so sorry and you're [TS]

01:13:44   here with us [TS]

01:13:45   I know you're here with us so you're in [TS]

01:13:46   this part is known as well I couldn't [TS]

01:13:48   exactly for podcasting come watch it i [TS]

01:13:50   could I know you couldn't [TS]

01:13:53   this is a hazard yet but being fair i [TS]

01:13:55   think probably five is by far and away [TS]

01:13:56   the least interesting one in the sixth [TS]

01:13:58   episode season [TS]

01:13:59   yeah that's this jelly right and also [TS]

01:14:02   there is kind of the citizen that goes [TS]

01:14:05   through i mean i know it's sort of [TS]

01:14:06   defines the series is called black [TS]

01:14:08   mirrors no of course there is this [TS]

01:14:10   strong streak of cynicism through and [TS]

01:14:12   and charlie brooker who I really like [TS]

01:14:14   all his work even with such a cynical [TS]

01:14:16   guy and that runs through and if you [TS]

01:14:18   watch the mini-marathon it does start to [TS]

01:14:20   weigh heavily on you you start thinking [TS]

01:14:22   come on man like you know how bad can [TS]

01:14:26   the world be but you don't watch this [TS]

01:14:28   series if you're not up for some of that [TS]

01:14:30   yeah exactly that no one's thinking you [TS]

01:14:32   know what I love I love a fun carefree [TS]

01:14:34   evening let me put on some of the old [TS]

01:14:35   black mirror [TS]

01:14:36   yeah I need a real pick-me-up something [TS]

01:14:38   light something to make me smile you [TS]

01:14:40   know like that's not what black mirror [TS]

01:14:42   is for now but that being said I do want [TS]

01:14:45   to say like on the flip side like this [TS]

01:14:46   is my little bit of a criticism of [TS]

01:14:48   series 3 but on the flipside like [TS]

01:14:51   there's so many things about the series [TS]

01:14:52   that i absolutely love and top on that [TS]

01:14:55   list is I just love the way technology [TS]

01:15:00   is simply used and accepted in a lot of [TS]

01:15:05   the episodes i think there's a episode [TS]

01:15:07   number three which is a shut up and [TS]

01:15:09   dance which has the characters being [TS]

01:15:11   blackmailed by people on the internet [TS]

01:15:12   into doing things yeah I think like that [TS]

01:15:14   was a great episode where I was just so [TS]

01:15:16   aware of they have characters who are [TS]

01:15:18   just using technology like you would [TS]

01:15:21   expect normal people in the world to you [TS]

01:15:23   right there using gps on their phone [TS]

01:15:25   they're using map tracking there's a [TS]

01:15:27   drone at one point and the drone is just [TS]

01:15:29   you [TS]

01:15:29   who's nobody feels they need to comment [TS]

01:15:31   on it or explain what it is i I'm often [TS]

01:15:34   aware when i'm watching modern TV or [TS]

01:15:37   movies that technology ends up falling [TS]

01:15:40   into one of two things [TS]

01:15:41   it's either used as just magic that can [TS]

01:15:44   solve any problem in a ridiculous way or [TS]

01:15:47   I often feel that the writers are trying [TS]

01:15:50   to like right around the existence of [TS]

01:15:52   cell phones because cellphones solve so [TS]

01:15:55   many plot problems in movies [TS]

01:15:57   yeah right like that the writers are [TS]

01:15:59   trying to like get around this and so [TS]

01:16:00   characters never just use phones in the [TS]

01:16:04   way that a normal person would it's one [TS]

01:16:07   of the things that I absolutely loved [TS]

01:16:08   about watching black Mary's like this is [TS]

01:16:10   a show that understands and portrays [TS]

01:16:14   technology just as people in the real [TS]

01:16:16   world would use it the characters in the [TS]

01:16:18   show don't feel the need to comment on [TS]

01:16:20   or explain to the audience what is going [TS]

01:16:22   on like they just assume that you're [TS]

01:16:23   going to get it [TS]

01:16:24   yeah and so I absolutely love that in [TS]

01:16:27   the show like something about that makes [TS]

01:16:28   it feel super grounded and super real [TS]

01:16:32   that the characters don't need to [TS]

01:16:33   explain or comment on this stuff and [TS]

01:16:35   people use technology in a realistic way [TS]

01:16:39   that isn't magic or isn't avoidance for [TS]

01:16:42   plot reasons the one episode that I [TS]

01:16:43   think fell down a little bit in that [TS]

01:16:45   respect perhaps was the final episode 67 [TS]

01:16:50   with the robotic base and because i felt [TS]

01:16:53   like the four episodes i watched before [TS]

01:16:55   that felt like they weren't [TS]

01:16:58   condescending and they were quite [TS]

01:16:59   believable and they felt like they were [TS]

01:17:01   made for like a young audience and then [TS]

01:17:03   and the 61 felt like it was made like a [TS]

01:17:06   Hollywood movie but it was how Hollywood [TS]

01:17:08   will trade technology with robotic bees [TS]

01:17:10   burrowing into brains and lots of [TS]

01:17:13   hand-wavy are he's hacked the system or [TS]

01:17:15   we can't we're locked out we're locked [TS]

01:17:16   in and it was like it was kind of like [TS]

01:17:18   black hat hackers who can do these [TS]

01:17:20   amazing things no one understands I felt [TS]

01:17:22   like that one dropped the ball in that [TS]

01:17:25   respect I still thought they were [TS]

01:17:26   interesting things raised in the episode [TS]

01:17:28   interesting conundrums and it was [TS]

01:17:30   thought provoking [TS]

01:17:31   but it was the one that felt like they [TS]

01:17:33   sold out a bit and even the way they [TS]

01:17:35   ended that when I feel that they sold [TS]

01:17:37   out a little bit too so that felt a bit [TS]

01:17:39   like the black shape that one stuck out [TS]

01:17:42   not least because it was 90 minutes long [TS]

01:17:44   it was essentially like movie length and [TS]

01:17:46   I'm not really sure that needed to be [TS]

01:17:47   the case but when I was watching that [TS]

01:17:50   one as the last one that i was watching [TS]

01:17:51   I was really thinking this is very [TS]

01:17:54   Twilight Zone II but not in the good way [TS]

01:17:57   in the way that some of the bad episodes [TS]

01:17:59   are just like we're doing a silly thing [TS]

01:18:01   and here we have robotic bees digging [TS]

01:18:03   into people's brains in their pain [TS]

01:18:04   centers and yeah i'm i'm kinda with you [TS]

01:18:07   on that one that one just didn't quite [TS]

01:18:08   land for me [TS]

01:18:10   yeah but also when I kept thinking of [TS]

01:18:12   was this show is obviously has super [TS]

01:18:14   high production values but those bees [TS]

01:18:17   man that is some of the worst cgi i have [TS]

01:18:20   seen in a long time [TS]

01:18:22   uh-huh that's hash that slashes [TS]

01:18:24   middle-of-the-road I've seen worse i [TS]

01:18:26   mean i have seen worse but not in [TS]

01:18:28   something with high production values is [TS]

01:18:30   this and it's just like it kept breaking [TS]

01:18:33   me out of it every time that these bees [TS]

01:18:35   were walking around like this cgi looks [TS]

01:18:37   awful like it doesn't look like the bees [TS]

01:18:39   are on the surface it doesn't look like [TS]

01:18:40   the bees are in this scene it fell into [TS]

01:18:43   that uncanny valley for me where it's [TS]

01:18:44   like it's just to CGI it doesn't work [TS]

01:18:47   here and there just in viewing the base [TS]

01:18:49   with powers that they couldn't have like [TS]

01:18:51   surgical precision to find parts of [TS]

01:18:53   human brains and I had a few issues with [TS]

01:18:55   that episode but it was like 80 he was [TS]

01:18:58   okay it wasn't a waste of my time [TS]

01:19:00   this is the thing to say is like none of [TS]

01:19:02   these episodes that i feel like i've [TS]

01:19:03   wasted my time afterwards I have seen [TS]

01:19:05   plenty of movies where I feel like boy [TS]

01:19:08   was that a waste of my life right there [TS]

01:19:09   two hours just got but I was just a [TS]

01:19:12   we're like felt like that the wheels are [TS]

01:19:13   coming off a little bit a couple points [TS]

01:19:15   here but even in that last episode it [TS]

01:19:16   had a good example of what I mean where [TS]

01:19:18   the characters at a couple points use [TS]

01:19:21   self-driving cars and i like that they [TS]

01:19:23   felt no need to even point out that [TS]

01:19:26   their self-driving cars like it's just [TS]

01:19:27   the characters use it really naturally [TS]

01:19:29   it's like everybody understands what's [TS]

01:19:30   going on [TS]

01:19:31   and even if you miss it that the cars [TS]

01:19:33   yourself driving it doesn't matter [TS]

01:19:35   because they're just getting the [TS]

01:19:36   characters from one place to another [TS]

01:19:38   it's that kind of stuff that I like they [TS]

01:19:40   don't feel the need to linger on or [TS]

01:19:41   explain stuff just like we all know its [TS]

01:19:43   self-driving cars are we all understand [TS]

01:19:45   how this works and this is why the [TS]

01:19:47   interior seating arrangement of this car [TS]

01:19:49   is a little bit strange but if you don't [TS]

01:19:50   notice it doesn't matter and you can [TS]

01:19:52   just keep moving right along [TS]

01:19:53   I don't hundred percent agree with you [TS]

01:19:54   there i think episode 6 was a little bit [TS]

01:19:57   self-conscious about the self-driving [TS]

01:19:59   cars they reference to a couple of times [TS]

01:20:01   you know the girl who doesn't Drive she [TS]

01:20:03   says I'm gonna wait for self-driving [TS]

01:20:04   cars to become a bit more mainstream and [TS]

01:20:06   then when they get in the self-driving [TS]

01:20:08   car with like the equivalent of the FBI [TS]

01:20:10   guy they do comment on it and how this [TS]

01:20:12   is an even better one and have seen [TS]

01:20:13   before so I think that episode was a bit [TS]

01:20:15   self-driving cars of country but i agree [TS]

01:20:18   with your overall point about the series [TS]

01:20:20   it does integrate technology in a very [TS]

01:20:22   believable way which is unusual [TS]

01:20:25   so everyone's dying to go great with [TS]

01:20:28   which is the episode that you haven't [TS]

01:20:31   said you liked it there just one that [TS]

01:20:32   you particularly want to talk about so [TS]

01:20:34   what I said that there's one that stuck [TS]

01:20:36   with me i feel like in each of the [TS]

01:20:38   seasons there's an episode that stuck [TS]

01:20:41   with me in season one has mentioned many [TS]

01:20:43   times it's the 15 million merits which i [TS]

01:20:45   think is probably still there best one [TS]

01:20:47   to date the thing that I think about yep [TS]

01:20:50   all the time season 2 which is what sort [TS]

01:20:53   of mentally including the Christmas [TS]

01:20:54   episode like that christmas episode [TS]

01:20:55   still haunts me like I mean that word [TS]

01:20:58   like that christmas episode haunts me [TS]

01:21:01   it is now Christmastime in the UK and I [TS]

01:21:04   swear to God when I hear that Christmas [TS]

01:21:06   song it sends literal shivers down my [TS]

01:21:09   spine still write like it's just like I [TS]

01:21:10   can't hear that song and not think about [TS]

01:21:12   that episode it's horrible [TS]

01:21:13   thanks charlie brooker I can't remember [TS]

01:21:15   which socket was it's that I wish it [TS]

01:21:17   would be christmas everyday I think [TS]

01:21:19   maybe it stands out particularly for me [TS]

01:21:20   because this is not an American [TS]

01:21:22   christmas song is just a totally foreign [TS]

01:21:23   and bizarre christmas song so it's like [TS]

01:21:25   I was introduced to it in this nightmare [TS]

01:21:27   scenario i can so that's why it's like [TS]

01:21:29   when I hear it I just absolutely shutter [TS]

01:21:31   ok and so then for me in season three I [TS]

01:21:34   think the standout episode by far is get [TS]

01:21:38   ready for disappointment people it's not [TS]

01:21:39   the one you want [TS]

01:21:40   its nose dive that's the one that really [TS]

01:21:42   stuck out to me and i thought was [TS]

01:21:45   surprisingly was very very affecting the [TS]

01:21:50   people who sort of can't remember the [TS]

01:21:51   names are the numbers which episode was [TS]

01:21:53   this one so nosedive is the episode [TS]

01:21:58   about [TS]

01:21:58   people reading each other on their [TS]

01:22:00   phones with five star force star ratings [TS]

01:22:04   it's the episode with the woman who is [TS]

01:22:06   going to the wedding to give the [TS]

01:22:09   bridesmaid speech that one to me just [TS]

01:22:12   really felt like quintessential black [TS]

01:22:16   mirror everything about it just really [TS]

01:22:18   landed for me I loved the visual design [TS]

01:22:21   like the way it looked at all of the [TS]

01:22:23   characters are in this like happy pastel [TS]

01:22:26   land and they're all smiley and giving [TS]

01:22:29   each other five star ratings but it was [TS]

01:22:31   able to just very very effectively like [TS]

01:22:35   tap into my anxiety as I was watching [TS]

01:22:39   that and that one just really really [TS]

01:22:41   landed for me quite strongly you don't [TS]

01:22:43   agree you know what I don't agree [TS]

01:22:45   well I tell me what are you thinking [TS]

01:22:47   well that thing you point out that kind [TS]

01:22:49   of pastoral look of them and kind of the [TS]

01:22:52   over-the-top friendliness that everyone [TS]

01:22:57   has to each other who was so exaggerated [TS]

01:22:59   who I wasn't able to suspend my [TS]

01:23:01   disbelief enough and I know like Edward [TS]

01:23:03   Scissorhands which is one of my favorite [TS]

01:23:05   films is very much like this as well as [TS]

01:23:06   this kind of very unrealistic suburbia [TS]

01:23:09   where everyone's dressed in pastels and [TS]

01:23:11   move is really overly friendly to each [TS]

01:23:13   other in a way that is paradise but it [TS]

01:23:15   didn't quite work as well as it doesn't [TS]

01:23:17   Edward Scissorhands and for that reason [TS]

01:23:19   i didn't get immersed in the episode as [TS]

01:23:21   much I never kind of sympathize store [TS]

01:23:23   empathized with the main character [TS]

01:23:26   because I never really saw her as a real [TS]

01:23:27   person who when things start going wrong [TS]

01:23:29   for her and her rating nosedives I don't [TS]

01:23:32   really care about her very much because [TS]

01:23:34   I didn't think it was a real person [TS]

01:23:35   anyway to start with who [TS]

01:23:37   so the whole episode didn't grab me at [TS]

01:23:40   that kind of visceral level where i was [TS]

01:23:42   watching and getting sort of scared by [TS]

01:23:45   or thinking our gosh this could happen [TS]

01:23:46   to me or this is terrible for me it was [TS]

01:23:49   more just an interesting commentary on [TS]

01:23:51   social media and ratings and things like [TS]

01:23:54   that and in that respect I thought it [TS]

01:23:56   was really good and really good [TS]

01:23:57   observations and it probably like you [TS]

01:24:00   probably affected me maybe more than all [TS]

01:24:03   the other episodes to who [TS]

01:24:05   but not in the right way not in that way [TS]

01:24:07   more just in a that's interesting way i [TS]

01:24:10   did like it I do think it was really [TS]

01:24:11   good idea [TS]

01:24:12   it was really good it was so good that I [TS]

01:24:15   actually told my wife afterwards that [TS]

01:24:17   she must not watch it for why I don't [TS]

01:24:21   know because I think she's a bit cynical [TS]

01:24:22   about social media and doesn't like the [TS]

01:24:24   way we place so much importance on all [TS]

01:24:26   the ratings and that and that's what [TS]

01:24:27   this was about and I think she would [TS]

01:24:29   watch this and it was just infuriated [TS]

01:24:30   her even more with what I said to her [TS]

01:24:32   are you find it really interesting it's [TS]

01:24:34   about this sort of future world where [TS]

01:24:36   your social media ratings and likes and [TS]

01:24:38   things are really important and [TS]

01:24:39   everyone's really heavily judged on the [TS]

01:24:40   movie she said what you mean like now so [TS]

01:24:44   i had a funny experience with watching [TS]

01:24:47   this episode because one of the key plot [TS]

01:24:49   points in the episode is how people star [TS]

01:24:51   ratings affects their real-world ability [TS]

01:24:55   to be able to get a discount on a nice [TS]

01:24:58   home or like which cars can they rent or [TS]

01:25:01   what towns can they go into if you don't [TS]

01:25:03   have a star rating above a certain level [TS]

01:25:04   you're not able to access those [TS]

01:25:07   resources and also this idea that the [TS]

01:25:09   companies are wanting to provide rewards [TS]

01:25:11   to highly start highly influential users [TS]

01:25:16   within the social system [TS]

01:25:17   yeah and it enters being weird because [TS]

01:25:19   in the week immediately preceding [TS]

01:25:22   watching this episode I had two [TS]

01:25:24   conversations with 2 totally unrelated [TS]

01:25:26   people who work with companies whose [TS]

01:25:31   whole job is to find influencers on [TS]

01:25:36   social media and get them to use [TS]

01:25:38   products like to explicitly like pay [TS]

01:25:41   people to just wear certain brands of [TS]

01:25:44   shoes on their Instagram accounts and [TS]

01:25:46   the thing that was amazing to me is like [TS]

01:25:49   okay I knew this existed right obviously [TS]

01:25:50   this is a thing that exists if you have [TS]

01:25:52   millions of followers on Instagram you [TS]

01:25:54   have value in promoting products to two [TS]

01:25:56   companies but the thing that was [TS]

01:25:58   baffling to me was these companies were [TS]

01:26:01   going after what i would consider people [TS]

01:26:04   very very low down on the Instagram and [TS]

01:26:09   Twitter totem poles like people with [TS]

01:26:11   more followers than average but not like [TS]

01:26:14   hundreds of thousands of followers their [TS]

01:26:16   explicit strategy was we just want [TS]

01:26:19   people to see popular people using our [TS]

01:26:22   products and so it just ended up being [TS]

01:26:25   like a weird thing that I had [TS]

01:26:26   two separate conversations about like [TS]

01:26:27   more or less the same phenomenon of sort [TS]

01:26:31   of normal but well-regarded people in a [TS]

01:26:35   social network ending up getting like [TS]

01:26:37   rewards and bonuses for their popularity [TS]

01:26:40   and their high ratings it just ended up [TS]

01:26:42   feeling like boy this is this is like a [TS]

01:26:43   little too weird and and real to a [TS]

01:26:47   conversation that I've just had with two [TS]

01:26:49   different people at two different [TS]

01:26:50   companies doing like exactly this [TS]

01:26:53   it was very strange that's what's so [TS]

01:26:54   scary about this episode I mean it's [TS]

01:26:56   basically it shows a society where [TS]

01:26:59   what's happening now has just been made [TS]

01:27:01   a little bit more formalized and overt [TS]

01:27:03   but this is already happening [TS]

01:27:05   I mean you see and lots of things I've [TS]

01:27:07   been around the same time i watch [TS]

01:27:09   nosedive I had a similar experience [TS]

01:27:10   where I was doing something with YouTube [TS]

01:27:14   like filling out some forms for some [TS]

01:27:15   program or something you know to do with [TS]

01:27:18   the bureaucracy behind the same and [TS]

01:27:20   things you're asked to fill out is you [TS]

01:27:22   know how many subscribers just your [TS]

01:27:24   channel have little have any views if [TS]

01:27:25   you had what is your most viewed video [TS]

01:27:27   who this is part of the process now who [TS]

01:27:29   I applied to do something one time i [TS]

01:27:32   think it was like a social media event [TS]

01:27:33   with NASA or something to go to an event [TS]

01:27:35   which I couldn't end up going to but [TS]

01:27:37   filling out the application form was [TS]

01:27:39   whats your twitter handle [TS]

01:27:41   how many Twitter followers do you have [TS]

01:27:42   to lose our YouTube channel how many [TS]

01:27:44   YouTube subscribers do you have and it [TS]

01:27:46   will feel very quantitative and not very [TS]

01:27:48   qualitative it wasn't like you know what [TS]

01:27:50   do you make videos about what are your [TS]

01:27:51   ideas you know what you want to say [TS]

01:27:52   right it was just give us the data give [TS]

01:27:55   us the numbers that was clearly a big [TS]

01:27:57   part in the decision process and so it's [TS]

01:28:00   it's happening all the time already [TS]

01:28:01   yeah and the other thing about that was [TS]

01:28:02   just too real was a few months ago I [TS]

01:28:06   can't remember the company's name but [TS]

01:28:08   there was a social media startup that [TS]

01:28:11   was doing this exact thing that they [TS]

01:28:13   wanted to be a place that could collect [TS]

01:28:15   rankings just about individuals and [TS]

01:28:19   where people could rate individuals and [TS]

01:28:21   it ended up crashing and burning because [TS]

01:28:23   there was a really big backlash of [TS]

01:28:25   people pushing against it saying like [TS]

01:28:27   they don't they don't want a website [TS]

01:28:28   that's just readings for people in [TS]

01:28:30   general and the site was was trying to [TS]

01:28:33   pull together like what are all of your [TS]

01:28:35   various accounts like let's try to form [TS]

01:28:37   some kind of unique identifier of [TS]

01:28:39   you that can be rated by everybody but I [TS]

01:28:42   feel like yeah that one crash and it [TS]

01:28:45   didn't work but I feel like this is [TS]

01:28:47   essentially inevitable like I will be [TS]

01:28:50   pretty surprised if this doesn't [TS]

01:28:53   eventually come about that there's some [TS]

01:28:55   kind of centralized aggregate one to [TS]

01:28:58   five star rating database for individual [TS]

01:29:02   people i think that's one of the reasons [TS]

01:29:04   why i liked this episode struck me [TS]

01:29:07   because it is one of these cases where I [TS]

01:29:08   was trying to figure out like a little [TS]

01:29:10   bit of an inconsistency in my own mind [TS]

01:29:12   about the star ratings because as I've [TS]

01:29:14   mentioned before on this very podcast [TS]

01:29:16   one of the things that i think lewbert's [TS]

01:29:18   should do is make the star ratings of [TS]

01:29:22   the customers more immediately apparent [TS]

01:29:24   to the users of the system that i think [TS]

01:29:27   this would actually encourage good [TS]

01:29:28   behavior on behalf of not just the [TS]

01:29:31   drivers but also the customers right and [TS]

01:29:33   like have a little bit of a feedback [TS]

01:29:35   loop into people who were total dicks [TS]

01:29:37   right that maybe other people think [TS]

01:29:38   you're a total dick to but try to think [TS]

01:29:40   about like why am i okay with that in [TS]

01:29:43   the uber scenario but I really don't [TS]

01:29:45   like the idea of this website where you [TS]

01:29:48   can read people on a one to five star [TS]

01:29:50   rating and I think the conclusion I've [TS]

01:29:52   come to is I'm okay with ratings in like [TS]

01:29:57   specific transactional circumstances but [TS]

01:30:01   I think the reason why I found this [TS]

01:30:03   episode very anxiety-inducing to watch [TS]

01:30:06   is I don't think it makes sense and i [TS]

01:30:09   don't think it's fair to have like an [TS]

01:30:11   aggregate rating just for person that's [TS]

01:30:15   like them across all spectrums yeah how [TS]

01:30:19   do they interact with people in public [TS]

01:30:20   how do they interact with people in [TS]

01:30:21   private how do they interact with people [TS]

01:30:23   at their office like I don't think it's [TS]

01:30:26   good to collapse all of those to a [TS]

01:30:28   single dimension yeah well I feel like a [TS]

01:30:30   much more okay with how are you in an [TS]

01:30:34   uber car in a transactional environment [TS]

01:30:36   then I feel very comfortable with star [TS]

01:30:38   ratings and think they're good i think [TS]

01:30:40   that's the conclusion that I've come to [TS]

01:30:42   about how do i think through when are [TS]

01:30:45   these things ok and when are they [TS]

01:30:47   oh ok that's fair enough yeah that makes [TS]

01:30:50   sense [TS]

01:30:50   the other reason why I think this [TS]

01:30:51   episode hit me particularly hard not [TS]

01:30:54   related to technology but my general [TS]

01:30:56   feeling of how do big problems happen is [TS]

01:30:59   that in my experience in life big [TS]

01:31:02   problems are the result of a sum of [TS]

01:31:05   small problems [TS]

01:31:07   none of which individually would be an [TS]

01:31:08   issue but all of which together form a [TS]

01:31:11   real tragedy that was the other reason [TS]

01:31:13   like this episode just had the right [TS]

01:31:15   hooks for my brain because this is my [TS]

01:31:17   experience and this is how I think that [TS]

01:31:18   like a series of small problems leads to [TS]

01:31:22   a huge problem which is essentially how [TS]

01:31:25   the entire episode unfolds and that's [TS]

01:31:27   why i like my anxiety just kept getting [TS]

01:31:29   like ramped up and ramped up and ramped [TS]

01:31:31   up as I guess she keeps dropping her [TS]

01:31:33   numbers a little bit and the more her [TS]

01:31:34   numbers dropped like the more that [TS]

01:31:35   causes more problems like I found that [TS]

01:31:38   very hard to watch hard to the point at [TS]

01:31:41   which after the episode was over it [TS]

01:31:43   occurred to me to check my Apple watch [TS]

01:31:45   heart rate data and sure enough like you [TS]

01:31:48   can see the data of my heart rate [TS]

01:31:50   increasing as a function of time as the [TS]

01:31:52   episode goes on as I was just sitting [TS]

01:31:54   there watching it so it's like this one [TS]

01:31:56   struck me right in the heart [TS]

01:31:58   ok did you recommend it to people like [TS]

01:32:00   you said your wife how you should watch [TS]

01:32:01   this one are friends on that all i [TS]

01:32:04   actually ended up just watching this one [TS]

01:32:05   twice because I've i felt like i was a [TS]

01:32:09   little bit too involved in it the first [TS]

01:32:10   time and so I watch it a second time [TS]

01:32:12   actually with my wife just before [TS]

01:32:15   reporting this and i'll just say that [TS]

01:32:18   black mirror is not a show for my wife [TS]

01:32:20   when it was over her conclusion was just [TS]

01:32:23   well that was horrible for like a [TS]

01:32:25   conversation over text let's talk about [TS]

01:32:28   something else [TS]

01:32:29   yeah fair enough there was no version in [TS]

01:32:31   which I was ever going to make my wife's [TS]

01:32:32   it through all of the episodes but i [TS]

01:32:33   just happen to want to rewatch this one [TS]

01:32:35   before recorded and she happened to be [TS]

01:32:37   in the room so it's like I'm going to [TS]

01:32:39   put this on you can watch it if you want [TS]

01:32:41   but I'm not sure this is for you and it [TS]

01:32:44   was not for her not for her at all so [TS]

01:32:47   the one that lots of people seem to want [TS]

01:32:50   to hear you talk about was the one [TS]

01:32:52   called sand junipero I'm just basing [TS]

01:32:55   this on my own social media fades moment [TS]

01:32:57   seems to be the one that people are [TS]

01:32:58   talking about the most [TS]

01:32:59   what did you think of that one this is [TS]

01:33:01   the one by the way where people who are [TS]

01:33:03   either sick or dead having uploaded to [TS]

01:33:07   this beautiful perfect life by the beach [TS]

01:33:10   and can live there happily ever after [TS]

01:33:12   their brain in a big hard drive [TS]

01:33:14   somewhere [TS]

01:33:15   yeah the the san gennaro episode I'm [TS]

01:33:17   surprised to hear that this is the one [TS]

01:33:19   people wanted me to talk about I just [TS]

01:33:20   presumed that of course the one that [TS]

01:33:22   struck me the most would also be the one [TS]

01:33:24   that people are requesting the most [TS]

01:33:26   planets that's not the case that was an [TS]

01:33:28   episode where I did feel a little bit [TS]

01:33:30   bored in the first half it was a slow [TS]

01:33:33   burn [TS]

01:33:34   they took too long to get where they [TS]

01:33:35   need to be yeah and I feel like this [TS]

01:33:37   episode should have been more aware of [TS]

01:33:39   the fact that you know you're a black [TS]

01:33:41   mirror episode right like there's no [TS]

01:33:43   mystery here everyone's waiting for an [TS]

01:33:45   thing you know what when they first [TS]

01:33:47   opened the scene and it's it's taking [TS]

01:33:49   place in the nineteen eighties I thought [TS]

01:33:51   for maybe a minute and 90 seconds ago [TS]

01:33:54   it'll be interesting to see if they [TS]

01:33:56   actually do a black mirror episode that [TS]

01:33:58   is set in the past like I was kind of [TS]

01:34:00   wondering what could you do maybe [TS]

01:34:01   there's an interesting story to do there [TS]

01:34:03   but it became like as soon as they [TS]

01:34:05   started running through the music it's [TS]

01:34:07   like oh no this is a cartoon version of [TS]

01:34:08   the nineteen eighties right this is not [TS]

01:34:09   supposed to be the actual nineteen [TS]

01:34:11   eighties and so yummy just immediately [TS]

01:34:13   like well I'm watching a black mirror [TS]

01:34:14   episode obviously this is some kind of [TS]

01:34:16   simulation or something [TS]

01:34:17   yeah and I did feel like it took way too [TS]

01:34:21   long to get to the behind-the-scenes [TS]

01:34:24   like there isn't really any mystery here [TS]

01:34:25   people when you keep jumping in time and [TS]

01:34:29   it's always nighttime and everybody's [TS]

01:34:30   referencing midnight I just I felt like [TS]

01:34:33   the first half of that episode didn't [TS]

01:34:35   really work [TS]

01:34:36   I mean the only bait-and-switch was [TS]

01:34:38   always it's about time travel but that [TS]

01:34:40   seems unlikely for a blackberry episode [TS]

01:34:42   and sure enough it wasn't about time [TS]

01:34:44   travel that's fine that's even cross my [TS]

01:34:45   mind is a possibility i was just like [TS]

01:34:47   waiting for the thing and then I felt [TS]

01:34:51   the simulation reveal on that one was [TS]

01:34:54   not particularly surprising by the time [TS]

01:34:57   they get there because they took their [TS]

01:34:58   sweet sweet time to get there so yeah it [TS]

01:35:01   was one of the two episodes where I [TS]

01:35:03   noticed that like I took out my phone [TS]

01:35:05   and did a couple things at one point is [TS]

01:35:06   like whoo that's not a good sign but [TS]

01:35:08   it's like I got distracted by myself for [TS]

01:35:11   a little bit of it but [TS]

01:35:13   I mean again it's good TV like I don't [TS]

01:35:16   regret spending my time on it but I'm a [TS]

01:35:18   little bit surprised that this is the [TS]

01:35:19   one that people seem to want to ask [TS]

01:35:20   about because I'm not even really sure [TS]

01:35:22   like what is it that people are [TS]

01:35:24   wondering about i mean i have to say i [TS]

01:35:27   thought the first half of it was a bit [TS]

01:35:28   slow em I thought the second half was [TS]

01:35:30   very compelling movement was amongst the [TS]

01:35:32   best part of the whole series for me [TS]

01:35:35   so why do you think that I liked the [TS]

01:35:36   sort of discussions that are raised and [TS]

01:35:39   the thoughts that made me think would I [TS]

01:35:41   want to do that and what do you do if [TS]

01:35:43   someone else you love hasn't gone into [TS]

01:35:45   it and it made a conscious decision not [TS]

01:35:47   to be uploaded and then she was like [TS]

01:35:49   well I don't want to do it because my [TS]

01:35:50   husband didn't and my daughter died it [TS]

01:35:52   raised a lot of like emotional issues [TS]

01:35:54   that spoke to me but also I just thought [TS]

01:35:56   it was quite compelling story and there [TS]

01:35:58   were some nice little twists and turns [TS]

01:35:59   towards the end and I thought the final [TS]

01:36:01   saying was very powerful would let you [TS]

01:36:03   know the blinking lights of the servers [TS]

01:36:04   just reminding us all that this is all [TS]

01:36:06   happening in a server was a really nice [TS]

01:36:08   ending who I think the reason people [TS]

01:36:10   want to hear from you on it is because [TS]

01:36:11   you know you're so interested in things [TS]

01:36:14   like consciousness and free will and [TS]

01:36:15   stuff like that [TS]

01:36:16   I think they probably just wonder what [TS]

01:36:18   you think of the technology I think it [TS]

01:36:20   goes without saying that love to be [TS]

01:36:21   uploaded to what if you could [TS]

01:36:23   yeah but also I think anyone who's [TS]

01:36:24   listen to the show would probably expect [TS]

01:36:26   my answer which is that in the episode [TS]

01:36:29   while the elderly and the sick are using [TS]

01:36:31   this virtual town San junipero to [TS]

01:36:33   vacation in and they're they're able to [TS]

01:36:36   experience this virtual world while I [TS]

01:36:38   think that is the case in the end when [TS]

01:36:42   they die and when they're uploading [TS]

01:36:43   themselves into the cloud essentially to [TS]

01:36:45   live in this thing forever i come down [TS]

01:36:47   on the side that i am not convinced that [TS]

01:36:50   it is actually possible to transfer your [TS]

01:36:53   consciousness into a computer i think it [TS]

01:36:56   will and it will inevitably be possible [TS]

01:36:58   to transfer a copy that is [TS]

01:37:02   indistinguishable from you when i'm [TS]

01:37:06   watching that episode and you know this [TS]

01:37:08   show is showing like oh well they these [TS]

01:37:10   two characters have uploaded themselves [TS]

01:37:12   into the server and they get to live [TS]

01:37:14   here forever [TS]

01:37:15   all I'm thinking is like well they're [TS]

01:37:16   obviously dead and there's just these [TS]

01:37:18   copies of them that are living on [TS]

01:37:19   forever in the server but it's not them [TS]

01:37:22   that would be like my actual take on [TS]

01:37:24   what [TS]

01:37:24   I think the technology would be so know [TS]

01:37:27   what I expect to hear from you but I [TS]

01:37:28   feel like that's obviously what I would [TS]

01:37:30   be thinking I just never thought you [TS]

01:37:32   would have thought if you could get the [TS]

01:37:33   right degree of complexity of the [TS]

01:37:35   algorithm in the system that constitutes [TS]

01:37:38   a Brady or gray that would count as a [TS]

01:37:40   consciousness [TS]

01:37:42   I thought you sort of thought [TS]

01:37:42   consciousness was a sufficient level of [TS]

01:37:45   complexity so you just gonna have big [TS]

01:37:46   enough service with enough complexity to [TS]

01:37:48   hit the tipping point for consciousness [TS]

01:37:51   this is again a different thing I can [TS]

01:37:53   fully believe that the copies are [TS]

01:37:56   conscious and the copies think that they [TS]

01:37:58   are the people who have lived their [TS]

01:38:00   lives outside of the machine before [TS]

01:38:01   being uploaded into the cloud [TS]

01:38:03   yeah but that's a very different [TS]

01:38:06   question from if I am imagining i am in [TS]

01:38:09   a bed dying and something is being [TS]

01:38:13   uploaded to the cloud from this machine [TS]

01:38:14   that sits on my forehead and reads my [TS]

01:38:16   brain waves or whatever I still say that [TS]

01:38:19   like my expectation is that my personal [TS]

01:38:22   experiences I close my eyes and I die [TS]

01:38:25   and it's lights out forever and on the [TS]

01:38:27   server a thing wakes up and has the [TS]

01:38:31   subjective experience that it has been [TS]

01:38:33   just transferred into the Machine and [TS]

01:38:35   now gets to live forever but I don't see [TS]

01:38:38   any reason to expect that would be me [TS]

01:38:41   this really does go back to like the [TS]

01:38:42   transporter problem because it's the [TS]

01:38:43   same issue of whatever you're uploading [TS]

01:38:46   you could probably do it without having [TS]

01:38:50   to have the person on the other end died [TS]

01:38:52   so I don't see any reason to think that [TS]

01:38:54   it's anything except a perfect copy and [TS]

01:38:56   not not an actual transfer of [TS]

01:39:00   consciousness I mean this is a director [TS]

01:39:01   of what we're talking about with the [TS]

01:39:03   cryogenic freezing table I said I [TS]

01:39:05   thought the person a thousand years [TS]

01:39:07   probably wouldn't be me well that's why [TS]

01:39:08   I think it's really interesting stories [TS]

01:39:10   taking the opposite opinion here like [TS]

01:39:11   you think you could be uploaded into a [TS]

01:39:13   computer and that it would be you [TS]

01:39:16   no no that's not what you're saying I'm [TS]

01:39:17   just surprised that you don't think it [TS]

01:39:19   but i have no particular opinion on it [TS]

01:39:21   I mean they don't really address that [TS]

01:39:23   technology and the episode it could be [TS]

01:39:24   possible that you can only be in one [TS]

01:39:25   place at once and when you're holidaying [TS]

01:39:27   in San junipero you know you're not also [TS]

01:39:31   in yourself and when you get uploaded [TS]

01:39:32   out of your body they take something you [TS]

01:39:34   know they have to take something away i [TS]

01:39:35   don't know about ya episode doesn't [TS]

01:39:37   really touch on [TS]

01:39:38   yeah yeah they're just another kind of [TS]

01:39:39   blowing past it but I think in any kind [TS]

01:39:41   of reasonable thinking like what could [TS]

01:39:44   this machine possibly be doing like or [TS]

01:39:46   what is a machine that we could possibly [TS]

01:39:47   build in the future and we've touched on [TS]

01:39:50   consciousness so many times but I i [TS]

01:39:51   really do have this I mean it's a gut [TS]

01:39:54   feeling it's not based on anything [TS]

01:39:56   obviously but i think that my subjective [TS]

01:40:00   experience of being me is probably tied [TS]

01:40:05   to my actual biological brain in a way [TS]

01:40:09   that is not removable right in a way [TS]

01:40:11   that is copyable but not removable which [TS]

01:40:15   is why like I have a very hard time [TS]

01:40:17   imagining like even if lifespans get [TS]

01:40:19   expanded like it's you know a thousand [TS]

01:40:21   years in the future i have a very hard [TS]

01:40:23   time imagining that I would ever really [TS]

01:40:26   want to upload myself into a machine [TS]

01:40:29   because I feel like I'm pretty convinced [TS]

01:40:31   that that would be my subjective death [TS]

01:40:33   even if everybody else around me was [TS]

01:40:35   like oh you love that you finally [TS]

01:40:37   uploaded yourself into the cloud isn't [TS]

01:40:39   this awesome right and like cloud me [TS]

01:40:41   would be going yeah i don't know why i [TS]

01:40:42   never did this before what a fool I was [TS]

01:40:44   right but like actual biological meet [TS]

01:40:47   would just be dead right [TS]

01:40:48   dead dead dead that's my feeling about [TS]

01:40:50   it so I got to keep the brain going [TS]

01:40:53   occasionally I get these little glimpses [TS]

01:40:55   of hope for Humanity occasionally gray [TS]

01:40:57   you make me happy when understand what [TS]

01:40:59   you mean by that why is a glimpse for [TS]

01:41:01   probably because that's sort of half [TS]

01:41:03   surprises me that's your view like that [TS]

01:41:05   you have that kind of attachment to your [TS]

01:41:07   mortal coil patent that you place that [TS]

01:41:09   importance on your on your mushy self [TS]

01:41:11   makes me a little bit happy but can you [TS]

01:41:13   freeze these things always so wrong and [TS]

01:41:15   it's a strange way my attachment mr. [TS]

01:41:17   being alive right like yeah my [TS]

01:41:19   attachment is not to like oh this human [TS]

01:41:21   body it's fantastic know it's a horrible [TS]

01:41:23   pile of rotting meat that we drive [TS]

01:41:24   around it and if i could upload myself [TS]

01:41:27   into the cloud I would well I guess what [TS]

01:41:28   I'm saying is I'm happy that your [TS]

01:41:30   definition of life is so attached to [TS]

01:41:31   your mushy self [TS]

01:41:32   yeah but it's not the way I would want [TS]

01:41:34   it to be if I could snap my fingers and [TS]

01:41:36   when you say something and I say that [TS]

01:41:39   makes me happy that you think that you [TS]

01:41:40   immediately rile up and say all with [TS]

01:41:42   that makes pretty happy about I must [TS]

01:41:44   have to rephrase it because know the [TS]

01:41:45   reason I have to rephrase it is because [TS]

01:41:47   when you're happy it's almost always [TS]

01:41:49   based on some kind of bizarre misunder [TS]

01:41:51   standing of what I'm saying and now i [TS]

01:41:54   want to i basically what i do is you say [TS]

01:41:56   something that makes me happy until [TS]

01:41:58   you've made me happy but then I put it [TS]

01:42:00   to you in another way that you didn't [TS]

01:42:01   say it was you up if right you say it in [TS]

01:42:04   a way that is wrong preference is what I [TS]

01:42:06   feel the need to correct it [TS]

01:42:07   I want nothing more than a brady to be [TS]

01:42:09   happy but you take my thoughts [TS]

01:42:11   Andrea express them in a way that I [TS]

01:42:13   don't agree with and so I feel compelled [TS]

01:42:14   to correct you [TS]

01:42:15   that's what's going there just quickly [TS]

01:42:18   the two other episodes we haven't talked [TS]

01:42:19   about really at all other than briefly [TS]

01:42:21   but i have watched i'll ask you what you [TS]

01:42:23   thought of them play test episode to [TS]

01:42:26   this sort of the video game brain [TS]

01:42:29   implant one I thought that was quite [TS]

01:42:30   cool i thought it was a cool episode [TS]

01:42:32   that's the word I would use to describe [TS]

01:42:33   I like the style of the story I thought [TS]

01:42:36   it was cool yeah i can give it a [TS]

01:42:38   coolness i can go along with that I kind [TS]

01:42:41   of like the setup of it i did like that [TS]

01:42:43   whoever was writing the script was [TS]

01:42:46   clearly super into video games because [TS]

01:42:48   that script was just packed full of [TS]

01:42:52   little video game references and it [TS]

01:42:55   really did feel like whoever's writing [TS]

01:42:56   this knows their stuff right like would [TS]

01:42:59   you kindly open the door it's like as a [TS]

01:43:01   perfect line at that moment which like [TS]

01:43:02   indicates that the person writing this [TS]

01:43:03   knows what they're talking about [TS]

01:43:05   I did like the kind of nintendo style [TS]

01:43:08   CEO of the company i enjoyed watching it [TS]

01:43:11   the only thing was i'm just generally [TS]

01:43:13   not a fan of the horror genre like this [TS]

01:43:17   was a horror episode for the most part [TS]

01:43:19   and most of the time when i'm watching [TS]

01:43:23   horror I just feel kind of bored right [TS]

01:43:26   or they're using jumpscares to try to [TS]

01:43:29   get a reaction out of you and I did [TS]

01:43:31   think it was funny that this episode [TS]

01:43:33   kind of commented on the jump-scares [TS]

01:43:35   it's like oh he knows that he's waiting [TS]

01:43:37   for jumpscares but I did have a note [TS]

01:43:39   which is like jump scares are annoying [TS]

01:43:42   even when you're playing with the idea [TS]

01:43:44   of jump-scares like instant it still [TS]

01:43:46   doesn't change what it is because the [TS]

01:43:48   jump-scares just like poking someone in [TS]

01:43:51   a sensitive spot is like if you're doing [TS]

01:43:53   it ironically like you're still poking [TS]

01:43:55   someone in the reflective spot and they [TS]

01:43:57   can't do anything about it so I thought [TS]

01:44:00   it was fine i did like that it was it [TS]

01:44:02   was a bit of a different take on the [TS]

01:44:04   like we can [TS]

01:44:05   necessarily trust the world around us [TS]

01:44:06   but it wasn't firmly for me partly [TS]

01:44:09   because of the genre that it happened to [TS]

01:44:11   be said in fair enough and shut up and [TS]

01:44:15   dance the sort of the black myo filming [TS]

01:44:18   you on your webcam and getting the dirt [TS]

01:44:21   on everyone and then making them do [TS]

01:44:22   weird stuff I felt weird about this one [TS]

01:44:24   what do you think of it [TS]

01:44:25   yeah it was there was a bit of a strange [TS]

01:44:27   episode in a way I felt like it was kind [TS]

01:44:30   of believable and also ridiculous at the [TS]

01:44:34   same time when he was kind of what I [TS]

01:44:35   kept thinking of I thought it was [TS]

01:44:37   implausible [TS]

01:44:38   mmm yeah I can see that i felt like i [TS]

01:44:41   was riding on the edge of the suspension [TS]

01:44:44   of disbelief and I think as the further [TS]

01:44:46   the episode went along the more my [TS]

01:44:48   suspension was disbelieved is that how [TS]

01:44:51   that works like the idea of blackmailing [TS]

01:44:53   people and having them run errands and [TS]

01:44:57   do stuff is like okay I can see this but [TS]

01:45:02   when the episode starts to turn into [TS]

01:45:04   like oh we're having them run all of [TS]

01:45:06   these errands and having them do things [TS]

01:45:08   to self-destruct themselves it's like [TS]

01:45:11   okay well now I'm having a bit of a [TS]

01:45:12   harder time going along with the [TS]

01:45:15   plausibility of this like this is a lot [TS]

01:45:17   of effort to ruin a few people's lives [TS]

01:45:19   became a bit like moral crusading like [TS]

01:45:22   you don't think it's more likely the [TS]

01:45:24   troubles would have them to burbank for [TS]

01:45:25   the money rather than teach them some [TS]

01:45:27   big life lesson [TS]

01:45:29   yeah that's where it started to get like [TS]

01:45:31   I can't believe the resources that are [TS]

01:45:33   being put into this and perhaps the note [TS]

01:45:36   that rang most incorrect for me out of [TS]

01:45:39   anything ever watch the black mirror was [TS]

01:45:42   at the end when they have the [TS]

01:45:44   blackmailers send the characters a [TS]

01:45:47   little troll face on their phone that [TS]

01:45:50   just playing wrong for me because I i [TS]

01:45:52   have spent too much time on the internet [TS]

01:45:54   to take that trollface seriously right [TS]

01:45:57   so when they're trying to use that as [TS]

01:45:59   like the gut punch at the end of the [TS]

01:46:01   episode like lol it was all the joke [TS]

01:46:03   it's like I can't take that seriously [TS]

01:46:05   this can't be like that who look at us [TS]

01:46:07   we're having a series ending to this [TS]

01:46:09   episode and so that didn't quite work [TS]

01:46:12   super well for me [TS]

01:46:14   yeah there were a few things and that [TS]

01:46:16   one that just didn't quite gel for may [TS]

01:46:17   say my favorites were definitely San [TS]

01:46:20   junipero playtesting nosedive [TS]

01:46:22   I haven't watched men against fire em [TS]

01:46:25   but you told me it's not that good and I [TS]

01:46:27   didn't like start of it [TS]

01:46:28   well I don't want to spoil anything for [TS]

01:46:29   you so that's where we're literally in [TS]

01:46:32   the spoilers I if you have to divide [TS]

01:46:35   them into 32 watching three that you [TS]

01:46:37   could give a past except just for the [TS]

01:46:39   fun of it would be your three favorites [TS]

01:46:41   obviously nosedive would be number one [TS]

01:46:43   yeah i think i would probably put San [TS]

01:46:46   junipero is number two [TS]

01:46:48   maybe and then i'll probably put hated [TS]

01:46:54   in the nation is number three as the [TS]

01:46:56   next one to watch that leaves play test [TS]

01:47:00   the horror one man against fire which i [TS]

01:47:02   think is probably the worst of the bunch [TS]

01:47:04   of my opinion and shut up and dances the [TS]

01:47:06   three that I would feel like you're not [TS]

01:47:08   missing a lot if you skip that make a [TS]

01:47:10   nosedive San junipero hated the nation [TS]

01:47:12   that would be my top three from the [TS]

01:47:14   season well done black mirror I don't [TS]

01:47:16   know if I can milk the cow again but [TS]

01:47:18   I've done or I sipho it's very [TS]

01:47:20   interesting because i feel like i was [TS]

01:47:21   looking at the episodes from season one [TS]

01:47:23   and season one you start out with the [TS]

01:47:26   national anthem which is just sort of a [TS]

01:47:28   bizarre story that stands on its own and [TS]

01:47:31   same with 15 million merits which is a [TS]

01:47:33   thing that stands on its own but then [TS]

01:47:35   interestingly it ends with the entire [TS]

01:47:37   history of you which is that episode [TS]

01:47:40   about being able to record and playback [TS]

01:47:41   everything in your life [TS]

01:47:43   yeah but looking back on it I think that [TS]

01:47:45   the entire history of us pisode is the [TS]

01:47:48   episode that has laid out the black [TS]

01:47:52   mirror universe in a sense yes yet this [TS]

01:47:56   whole idea of a near-future world people [TS]

01:48:00   have modern phones we all have contact [TS]

01:48:03   lenses in our eyes and augmented reality [TS]

01:48:05   and this universe that feels very real [TS]

01:48:09   and very close and I feel like season [TS]

01:48:14   three I feel like they may have used up [TS]

01:48:19   that universe now I like a season to [TS]

01:48:22   revisit it in a number of locations most [TS]

01:48:24   notably in white Christmas it's like boy [TS]

01:48:26   did they lean on that again [TS]

01:48:27   and in a fantastic way but I think [TS]

01:48:30   season three is like maybe we're done [TS]

01:48:33   with this now and if there is going to [TS]

01:48:35   be another series i would want to see [TS]

01:48:38   probably more like a standalone episodes [TS]

01:48:42   like create a little world and go [TS]

01:48:44   through it and talk about it and come [TS]

01:48:47   back like I'm not quite sure there's a [TS]

01:48:49   lot more to be done in this entire [TS]

01:48:52   history of you universe that they set [TS]

01:48:55   out a few years ago they kind of pendant [TS]

01:48:57   by their name those and because the [TS]

01:48:58   whole you know the black mare name is [TS]

01:48:59   holding up this mirror to our current [TS]

01:49:01   society but with this black tinge this [TS]

01:49:03   dark things so to veer away from that [TS]

01:49:07   and start creating new worlds and not do [TS]

01:49:09   that would kind of I guess the black [TS]

01:49:11   mirror will just become a meaningless [TS]

01:49:12   brand name that wouldn't you know well [TS]

01:49:14   it should be cool bro neighbor it's very [TS]

01:49:16   cool but I've always taken it to be the [TS]

01:49:18   phone surfaces like I've always thought [TS]

01:49:19   that was referring to like the like the [TS]

01:49:22   ipad screens and the iphone screens are [TS]

01:49:24   the black mirror like that though is how [TS]

01:49:25   I really don't know I always thought it [TS]

01:49:27   was like reflecting our society back to [TS]

01:49:29   us but you know in a darker tone [TS]

01:49:31   well this is why it's a fantastic brand [TS]

01:49:32   name right like you can if you could [TS]

01:49:33   read whatever you want into it [TS]

01:49:37   cool black mirror season 3 still [TS]

01:49:41   recommend it [TS]

01:49:41   I feel like we sounded like we might be [TS]

01:49:43   a little bit down on it but still [TS]

01:49:44   recommend it definitely TV worth your [TS]

01:49:46   time [TS]

01:49:47   glad I finally got around to it and also [TS]

01:49:49   super glad and thank you to my audience [TS]

01:49:51   that i was able to get to it essentially [TS]

01:49:54   spoiler-free which is the way I prefer [TS]

01:49:56   to watch these things so very happy [TS]