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00:00:00   I don't know if you're aware of this or [TS]

00:00:01   not but as we're recording right now [TS]

00:00:03   like right now at night it is the super [TS]

00:00:07   moon night [TS]

00:00:08   it's a supermoon i'm looking at my [TS]

00:00:10   window no no great don't oh look that's [TS]

00:00:12   what I wanted to tell you not to do [TS]

00:00:13   terribly sorry because during a [TS]

00:00:15   supermoon not only is the moon a little [TS]

00:00:18   bit closer than usual looking up because [TS]

00:00:19   it's a full moon [TS]

00:00:21   it appears brighter than usual and this [TS]

00:00:22   is the biggest the moon will have [TS]

00:00:24   appeared for like 70 years and just [TS]

00:00:26   looking at it if you add to believe the [TS]

00:00:28   media could clean out your readiness for [TS]

00:00:31   the tidal forces from the supermoon [TS]

00:00:33   could rip your head from your body so [TS]

00:00:36   whatever you do don't look at the [TS]

00:00:38   supermoon don't even get near it man [TS]

00:00:40   this is massive [TS]

00:00:42   is that what journalists think [TS]

00:00:43   Superman's you think that you think it's [TS]

00:00:46   gonna like take up half the sky the way [TS]

00:00:48   they're carrying on and I've also seen [TS]

00:00:50   actual depictions of what it will look [TS]

00:00:52   like compared to what it normally looks [TS]

00:00:54   like and it's like eight percent or [TS]

00:00:56   something not even though it's like [TS]

00:00:57   crazy like how little the differences [TS]

00:00:59   but it's supermoon supermoon everything [TS]

00:01:03   supermoon Facebook's even saying look at [TS]

00:01:05   the super moon tonight [TS]

00:01:06   well I'm looking out the window I see [TS]

00:01:12   nothing [TS]

00:01:12   yeah alright i hope you're wearing [TS]

00:01:15   sunglasses and had your special tired or [TS]

00:01:17   vest on when you did it [TS]

00:01:18   I'm woefully underprepared for the [TS]

00:01:20   supermoon you feeling alright for the [TS]

00:01:23   podcast you in the zone feeling happy [TS]

00:01:26   can i cheer you up somehow no you can't [TS]

00:01:27   cheer me up Brady because i'm absolutely [TS]

00:01:30   furious about a thing is going to take a [TS]

00:01:34   while to explain but I have to get this [TS]

00:01:36   off my chest right at the start I [TS]

00:01:37   already know what is what is a breeding [TS]

00:01:39   your starbucks is and stop to the hot [TS]

00:01:42   stoppers no no no it's not that is not [TS]

00:01:44   that now i have have what I guess could [TS]

00:01:47   be classified as like a political [TS]

00:01:49   problem i guess let me explain this [TS]

00:01:51   thing that makes me absolutely furious [TS]

00:01:53   alright so i live in the city now there [TS]

00:01:55   are lots of people in a city and one of [TS]

00:01:58   the things you need when there are lots [TS]

00:02:00   of people is an effective system to take [TS]

00:02:03   the garbage away and dump it wherever [TS]

00:02:06   right wherever it goes [TS]

00:02:07   not here yeah so in the little area that [TS]

00:02:11   I live there are supposed to be [TS]

00:02:13   for garbage pickups each one on a [TS]

00:02:18   parallel street there are four parallel [TS]

00:02:19   streets is a garbage can at each end of [TS]

00:02:22   the street opposite ends so it's nice [TS]

00:02:24   and convenient nice and close for [TS]

00:02:26   everybody [TS]

00:02:27   hmm now where I happen to live as one of [TS]

00:02:30   those areas of London that clearly a [TS]

00:02:33   long time ago a bunch of rich people [TS]

00:02:36   lived in this area in single enormous [TS]

00:02:38   homes and has since been converted into [TS]

00:02:41   apartments in which there are maybe ten [TS]

00:02:45   15 families like there's a lot of people [TS]

00:02:47   here and a lot more people over time and [TS]

00:02:50   one of the problems that happens is that [TS]

00:02:52   the garbage cans overflow now let me ask [TS]

00:02:55   you Brady if you had a problem where [TS]

00:02:59   they were garbage cans overflowing what [TS]

00:03:01   do you think would be the solutions if [TS]

00:03:03   you wanted to alleviate this problem of [TS]

00:03:05   overflowing garbage cans [TS]

00:03:07   well two things spring to mind ok one [TS]

00:03:10   would be more regular pickups and the [TS]

00:03:12   other would be bigger garbage bins yes [TS]

00:03:14   congratulations you get a gold star but [TS]

00:03:18   no you know what my local council thinks [TS]

00:03:20   is the appropriate solution to [TS]

00:03:22   overflowing garbage bins it is to take [TS]

00:03:25   away street-by-street the actual garbage [TS]

00:03:30   pickups and to replace the space where [TS]

00:03:32   the garbage cans used to be a passive [TS]

00:03:34   aggressive sign tellin people we have [TS]

00:03:36   removed the garbage cans and please [TS]

00:03:38   don't dump any garbage here and so now [TS]

00:03:41   in like a four-block radius of where i [TS]

00:03:44   am there is for garbage cans in one [TS]

00:03:48   location for what I mentally and [TS]

00:03:50   calculating is something like probably a [TS]

00:03:54   thousand or 1,500 people who need to use [TS]

00:03:57   these garbage cans and as a nice bonus [TS]

00:04:01   everybody is now way further away from a [TS]

00:04:03   garbage can and I feel like this is one [TS]

00:04:05   of these things that like if you ever go [TS]

00:04:07   to disney disney in America has this [TS]

00:04:09   just nailed down you know how they solve [TS]

00:04:11   the garbage problem in disney garbage [TS]

00:04:13   cans everywhere right you can't swing a [TS]

00:04:17   child in disney without hitting a [TS]

00:04:18   garbage can write like they're all over [TS]

00:04:20   the place because you know what they [TS]

00:04:21   want they want nice happy clean streets [TS]

00:04:23   and so if there's garbage cans [TS]

00:04:24   immediately visible people throw stuff [TS]

00:04:26   away [TS]

00:04:26   but now where i live people are just [TS]

00:04:29   dumping garbage on the streets it's gone [TS]

00:04:31   from people were for a little while they [TS]

00:04:33   were trying like I will just pile up the [TS]

00:04:35   garbage where the garbage cans used to [TS]

00:04:37   be here let me send you a photo of what [TS]

00:04:38   this looks like right we straight look [TS]

00:04:40   ugly if you had garbage cans everywhere [TS]

00:04:42   don't you want your London streets to [TS]

00:04:43   look pretty and look like I looked in [TS]

00:04:45   that the seventeen hundreds and stuff [TS]

00:04:47   ok yes in theory you would but here's [TS]

00:04:49   one of these things like we have this in [TS]

00:04:50   life where there have to be trade-offs [TS]

00:04:52   and I think once you reach a certain [TS]

00:04:54   density of population the trade-off has [TS]

00:04:56   to be there are garbage cans and regular [TS]

00:04:59   locations for people to dump their [TS]

00:05:01   garbage now where i live like there are [TS]

00:05:03   so many people there's already garbage [TS]

00:05:05   pickup three times a week you can leave [TS]

00:05:07   garbage in front of your house once a [TS]

00:05:08   week and they have all of these garbage [TS]

00:05:10   cans and it still wasn't enough for all [TS]

00:05:13   of the people i don't understand how [TS]

00:05:15   they think the solution is we're just [TS]

00:05:17   going to remove all of the garbage cans [TS]

00:05:19   and then tell people not to dump their [TS]

00:05:20   garbage there and now there is garbage [TS]

00:05:22   absolutely everywhere i have sent you a [TS]

00:05:24   photo of where the garbage cans used to [TS]

00:05:26   be but like all the streets just look [TS]

00:05:28   like this and you know what you know [TS]

00:05:29   what really bothers me i feel like i try [TS]

00:05:31   to be a good person at least when it's [TS]

00:05:33   easy and now i'm having to just like [TS]

00:05:36   dump garbage places as well because like [TS]

00:05:38   there's nowhere to put it [TS]

00:05:40   if I walk three blocks necessary to the [TS]

00:05:42   actual garbage can with the garbage that [TS]

00:05:43   I take out it's a mountain of trash [TS]

00:05:46   right like it's an Everest of trash and [TS]

00:05:48   if I throw my garbage on the top of it [TS]

00:05:50   it just rolls down into the street and I [TS]

00:05:52   figure it like i might as well just [TS]

00:05:54   leave the garbage in the street along [TS]

00:05:56   with all of these other bags of garbage [TS]

00:05:58   in the street this is just like I don't [TS]

00:06:00   understand Brady I don't understand how [TS]

00:06:03   how people think the opposite solution [TS]

00:06:06   is the solution [TS]

00:06:07   I mean that picture is pretty horrendous [TS]

00:06:09   i'll give you that you're gonna have to [TS]

00:06:11   back up for me here at sustained stop [TS]

00:06:13   coming out of your ears and can I just [TS]

00:06:14   get a little bit of context to I'm like [TS]

00:06:17   literally sweating with anger but yes [TS]

00:06:18   your head just so I understand em before [TS]

00:06:22   this debacle em how did the system work [TS]

00:06:26   with a like communal garbage cans that [TS]

00:06:28   were permanently in the street 24-7 or [TS]

00:06:31   like do you have like a hidden garbage [TS]

00:06:33   area but I don't understand what the [TS]

00:06:35   situation was before for example i have [TS]

00:06:36   a big wheelie bin that is a little shed [TS]

00:06:39   in my front yard and we fill up their [TS]

00:06:40   own bin and then one day a week we roll [TS]

00:06:42   out onto the footpath and the people [TS]

00:06:45   will come and empty and then we'll roll [TS]

00:06:47   it back onto our properly [TS]

00:06:48   you obviously don't have that how does [TS]

00:06:50   it work normally yes you have the nice [TS]

00:06:53   suburban solution to garbage which is [TS]

00:06:55   that you have your own bins and since [TS]

00:06:57   property is bigger in suburbia you have [TS]

00:06:59   an actual place to store the bins [TS]

00:07:01   this is the problem of being in a very [TS]

00:07:03   dense area like that is just not a [TS]

00:07:04   practical solution because again most [TS]

00:07:06   people's flats are very small like even [TS]

00:07:08   if my wife and I wanted to we couldn't [TS]

00:07:09   actually store very much garbage in the [TS]

00:07:11   flats you have to end up taking it out [TS]

00:07:12   all the time [TS]

00:07:13   yeah and so the solution here is that on [TS]

00:07:16   each of the streets they have tried to [TS]

00:07:18   find a relatively out-of-the-way spot [TS]

00:07:21   where they would just leave to garbage [TS]

00:07:25   cans and a recycling bin [TS]

00:07:26   this is on public land and always [TS]

00:07:28   visible this is on public land and [TS]

00:07:29   always visible and as far as it can go [TS]

00:07:32   like it's fine [TS]

00:07:33   they don't think it's too much of an [TS]

00:07:34   eyesore and the trade-off of you have a [TS]

00:07:36   place to put garbage is perfectly [TS]

00:07:38   acceptable and there used to be garbage [TS]

00:07:41   pickup three times a week and on top of [TS]

00:07:43   that one or two days a week i can never [TS]

00:07:46   quite remember you're allowed to leave [TS]

00:07:47   garbage outside your house at night and [TS]

00:07:50   a truck comes by first thing in the [TS]

00:07:52   morning to pick it up there trying to [TS]

00:07:54   take away garbage all the time but that [TS]

00:07:56   seems extravagant to make great that's [TS]

00:07:57   like garbage paradise having someone [TS]

00:08:00   pick up the brush every day [TS]

00:08:02   well you have a place to put it every [TS]

00:08:03   day and someone comes to pick it up [TS]

00:08:04   twice a week from your house and three [TS]

00:08:06   times a week from the bins [TS]

00:08:08   I think you've been spoiled for too long [TS]

00:08:09   no but this is just a fundamental [TS]

00:08:11   sanitation problems like this is what [TS]

00:08:12   government is supposed to do it supposed [TS]

00:08:14   to keep pestilence out of the streets [TS]

00:08:16   this is like the basics is garbage [TS]

00:08:17   collection right like you have to take [TS]

00:08:18   it away if you don't take it away [TS]

00:08:21   we will have cholera this is not a good [TS]

00:08:22   thing so it's like yes I understand that [TS]

00:08:24   there's a lot of garbage pickup but the [TS]

00:08:26   reason that there is a lot of garbage [TS]

00:08:27   pickup is because in this area there [TS]

00:08:30   must be four five six times as many [TS]

00:08:32   people living here as there were 20 [TS]

00:08:35   years ago at the most [TS]

00:08:36   it's become a very dense area even [TS]

00:08:39   though if you just like looked at a [TS]

00:08:40   street you might not think that there's [TS]

00:08:41   a ton of people here but like every [TS]

00:08:43   building has 10 12 apartments in it like [TS]

00:08:47   there's a gigantic apartment complex [TS]

00:08:49   that like hidden around the corner [TS]

00:08:50   there's just like a ton of people here [TS]

00:08:52   and they [TS]

00:08:52   I read a lot of garbage and they have [TS]

00:08:54   nowhere to store it [TS]

00:08:55   ok and my counsel think the appropriate [TS]

00:08:58   solution is reduced garbage service [TS]

00:09:00   because too many people were leaving [TS]

00:09:01   garbage on the street I can't do if I [TS]

00:09:03   think you should be able to hold onto [TS]

00:09:05   your garbage for a bit longer you should [TS]

00:09:06   be able to hold onto your cabbage for a [TS]

00:09:08   week and have it picked up once awake [TS]

00:09:09   and just put it all out on the path on [TS]

00:09:11   that one not i don't think you [TS]

00:09:12   understand what i believed in city [TS]

00:09:14   apartments many times I know you live in [TS]

00:09:17   a palatial mansion far up north where [TS]

00:09:21   ever it is no brighton binghamton don't [TS]

00:09:25   forget you have no idea it was [TS]

00:09:26   seven-story eight-story building [TS]

00:09:28   entirely yours [TS]

00:09:30   my wife and I it's but a cardboard box [TS]

00:09:32   and we have not room to store but a [TS]

00:09:34   single fish skeleton after we've eaten [TS]

00:09:36   our meager dinners [TS]

00:09:38   there's nowhere to put anything it has [TS]

00:09:40   to go somewhere is going on the street [TS]

00:09:42   where the surface take it [TS]

00:09:44   exactly exactly Brady I'll tell you what [TS]

00:09:49   great i mean it was serious you know [TS]

00:09:51   you've got a friend in me when it comes [TS]

00:09:53   to complain about garbage you're talking [TS]

00:09:55   to the man who has made a youtube video [TS]

00:09:57   that he has used on multiple occasions [TS]

00:09:59   and shame his counsel when they did a [TS]

00:10:02   bad job with the garbage collection [TS]

00:10:03   that's your ringing of the bell one that [TS]

00:10:05   I don't understand right [TS]

00:10:06   yeah it's based on a very famous scene [TS]

00:10:09   in Game of Thrones but I film to add in [TS]

00:10:10   my straight i watched it the reference [TS]

00:10:12   goes by main but it does feel like this [TS]

00:10:15   is an ominous passive-aggressive thing [TS]

00:10:16   like that's ok it's to have a look in [TS]

00:10:18   the show notes people and you can watch [TS]

00:10:20   the video that I tweet every time I [TS]

00:10:22   council takes too long to pick up the [TS]

00:10:24   sizing up too long [TS]

00:10:26   I like that too long to hit a pic of the [TS]

00:10:28   recycling at the first time i made this [TS]

00:10:31   the recycling had been out in the street [TS]

00:10:33   for overweight so the video got made [TS]

00:10:36   let me ask you has been effective they [TS]

00:10:37   know about it okay haha it was effective [TS]

00:10:41   actually they started contacting me ask [TS]

00:10:44   you for my details but as soon as I [TS]

00:10:45   start asking me for that personal [TS]

00:10:47   details I'm like go away [TS]

00:10:50   did you pick up the rubbish look at this [TS]

00:10:52   sounds like an L what I'm hearing [TS]

00:10:53   ultimately they know your video has not [TS]

00:10:55   been no I would go so far as to say it [TS]

00:10:57   has been effective [TS]

00:10:58   ok maybe I need to make a [TS]

00:10:59   passive-aggressive viral video about my [TS]

00:11:01   garbage do it [TS]

00:11:02   I'm not entirely convinced but I think [TS]

00:11:05   you're in the right [TS]

00:11:06   what is there not to be convinced by I [TS]

00:11:07   haven't heard by side of the story [TS]

00:11:09   ok i'll be sure to phone my local [TS]

00:11:11   councilman let him know basically what I [TS]

00:11:13   think's happening is you guys have had [TS]

00:11:14   it too good for too long and as soon as [TS]

00:11:17   I tried to let change anything you're [TS]

00:11:18   like oh I'm not changing my habits i'm [TS]

00:11:20   just gonna check everything in the [TS]

00:11:21   straight what habits there's nowhere to [TS]

00:11:23   store the stuff I don't even understand [TS]

00:11:24   what it is you want me to do you don't [TS]

00:11:26   just start at the minute you got to [TS]

00:11:27   throwing out garbage day [TS]

00:11:29   it's not the sitting there all week you [TS]

00:11:32   don't just wanna finish without the [TS]

00:11:34   window there's probably a garbage [TS]

00:11:36   collector out there right now become 19 [TS]

00:11:38   times a day no they don't come 19 times [TS]

00:11:39   a day like we have a garbage can [TS]

00:11:41   it gets full it gets really sticky and [TS]

00:11:43   when you live in a very small apartment [TS]

00:11:45   all on one level you can't keep stinky [TS]

00:11:48   garbage in your house for a week we [TS]

00:11:50   physically we don't have enough space to [TS]

00:11:53   store all of our garbage unless we're [TS]

00:11:54   just like leaving garbage bags in the [TS]

00:11:56   main room should be some cabbage [TS]

00:11:59   communal area than in the basement or [TS]

00:12:00   something it should just go straight to [TS]

00:12:02   the strength the minute you finished [TS]

00:12:03   with okay yeah i mean like and again if [TS]

00:12:05   wishes were horses we'd all be eating [TS]

00:12:06   steak but there is no communal area in [TS]

00:12:08   the house to put garbage there's no [TS]

00:12:10   space because it's all been turned into [TS]

00:12:11   apartments apartment for the people [TS]

00:12:13   generating garbage because you're a [TS]

00:12:14   bunch of Greater London is that wave [TS]

00:12:16   created Londoners who's the creepy [TS]

00:12:18   hundred here I don't understand like him [TS]

00:12:19   either landlord in this scenario know i [TS]

00:12:21   am the tenants i do not have the [TS]

00:12:23   adequate infrastructure where I'm living [TS]

00:12:25   I don't understand what you want Brady [TS]

00:12:26   well that's not the council's fault it [TS]

00:12:27   doesn't mean you should be able to throw [TS]

00:12:28   everything out of the strike [TS]

00:12:29   I know he doesn't mean they should be [TS]

00:12:31   allowed to throw everything out in the [TS]

00:12:32   street I don't want to throw everything [TS]

00:12:33   out into the street do you understand [TS]

00:12:35   Brady I want the opposite of that I want [TS]

00:12:37   to place to put the garbage you want [TS]

00:12:39   like thousands of your personal garbage [TS]

00:12:41   cans out on the footpath that should be [TS]

00:12:42   public property where people that make [TS]

00:12:44   it to work no I would like an adequate [TS]

00:12:47   amount of garbage pickup in an adequate [TS]

00:12:49   number of places so that people don't [TS]

00:12:51   leave garbage on the street that's all I [TS]

00:12:52   want I don't think this is crazy i think [TS]

00:12:54   this is totally reasonable are you gonna [TS]

00:12:56   give this to make no no not yet not yet [TS]

00:12:59   clearly that picture you sent me is an [TS]

00:13:01   eyesore and that cannot be tolerated but [TS]

00:13:03   I'm yet to decide whether it is the [TS]

00:13:05   fault of the council or the photo of the [TS]

00:13:07   tenants that's the least of it doesn't [TS]

00:13:08   think that i sent you is where the [TS]

00:13:09   garbage cans used to be it's not just [TS]

00:13:11   the garbages on the street people are [TS]

00:13:12   just giving up [TS]

00:13:13   this is a perfect example of those like [TS]

00:13:15   this dichotomy between how should people [TS]

00:13:17   behave and how do people behave and the [TS]

00:13:20   truth is like when people start leaving [TS]

00:13:22   garbage on the street people are more [TS]

00:13:24   likely just just leave garbage on the [TS]

00:13:25   street because then everybody things why [TS]

00:13:27   bother [TS]

00:13:27   and now we have a tragedy of the Commons [TS]

00:13:29   situation here is like no this is why [TS]

00:13:31   you just have to have it convenient for [TS]

00:13:34   people to do the right thing and just [TS]

00:13:35   simply sitting around wishing that [TS]

00:13:36   everybody was better or worse thing that [TS]

00:13:38   one of the people in the building just [TS]

00:13:39   disappeared and we turn their entire [TS]

00:13:41   apartment into just the place where we [TS]

00:13:42   dump all of the garbage and it festers [TS]

00:13:44   in the building [TS]

00:13:45   I mean I guess we could wish for these [TS]

00:13:47   things but it can change like that I [TS]

00:13:48   just want garbage pickup that's all I [TS]

00:13:49   want I think it's very reasonable one [TS]

00:13:52   little piece of garbage when they should [TS]

00:13:54   follow up by the way and I don't want to [TS]

00:13:55   keep this quick but enough people [TS]

00:13:57   contacted me that i feel like i have to [TS]

00:13:58   mention that ok [TS]

00:14:00   in the last show I mentioned that I was [TS]

00:14:02   throwing away two huge garbage bags full [TS]

00:14:05   of my old clothes [TS]

00:14:06   congratulations thank you i use the term [TS]

00:14:08   throwing away very loosely i did not in [TS]

00:14:11   fact put it in the bin or throw in a [TS]

00:14:13   London straight as great probably would [TS]

00:14:14   of what I in fact did and i have to [TS]

00:14:17   point this out because so many people of [TS]

00:14:18   admonished me I did give the clothing to [TS]

00:14:21   a local charity i did not throw it into [TS]

00:14:24   like Lancefield whatever other was [TS]

00:14:26   considered good enough hopefully will be [TS]

00:14:28   sold and is raising money for st. [TS]

00:14:31   Peter's hospice in Bristol so please [TS]

00:14:33   stop contacting me and telling me i'm a [TS]

00:14:34   bad for throwing away lots and lots of [TS]

00:14:36   clothes I did give it to charity the [TS]

00:14:39   charity shop wanted they did they take [TS]

00:14:40   it they didn't really have much of a [TS]

00:14:42   choice because I had to let double-park [TS]

00:14:43   when I gave it to one side swing and [TS]

00:14:45   I've got some clothes for you I said [TS]

00:14:46   that's great and then I went and rented [TS]

00:14:48   my car hmm massive garbage bags there's [TS]

00:14:50   some good stuff in there amongst the [TS]

00:14:52   dross there's some good stuff [TS]

00:14:54   let me read my internal mental meter for [TS]

00:14:56   how much do I trust Brady statement that [TS]

00:14:57   there was some good stuff right in the [TS]

00:15:00   bag of garbage that he's bringing to the [TS]

00:15:01   cherish up there was good stuff i get a [TS]

00:15:05   one out of debt now I promise you there [TS]

00:15:07   was good stuff if you happen to be a [TS]

00:15:09   little bit thinner than me [TS]

00:15:10   I'm just suspicious because my local [TS]

00:15:14   charity shop has a big sign about all [TS]

00:15:16   the things that they please don't want [TS]

00:15:17   you to give them and i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:15:19   clothing is at the top of that list i [TS]

00:15:21   know this is a clothing shop [TS]

00:15:22   ok ok i did feel a little bit weird [TS]

00:15:25   because I'm worried that like I'm [TS]

00:15:26   what's that saying people walking around [TS]

00:15:27   the streets wearing my clothes I think [TS]

00:15:29   that recognizable and I I did give them [TS]

00:15:32   a smarter every day tation yeah because [TS]

00:15:34   I like an Alabama elephant yeah that's [TS]

00:15:35   what you're going to be seeing as I'm [TS]

00:15:36   walking around the streets of bradford [TS]

00:15:38   with Destin get me to smarter every day [TS]

00:15:41   tation and I did pick one of them tested [TS]

00:15:43   just to get your listening I didn't give [TS]

00:15:44   them both away but one the college [TS]

00:15:46   student so you may say mmm i get to the [TS]

00:15:48   charity stuff I think there's to smarter [TS]

00:15:50   every day t-shirts in that charity store [TS]

00:15:51   now I've kept the other one I'm going to [TS]

00:15:53   be keeping my eye out for it on [TS]

00:15:55   objectivity Brady that's what I'm going [TS]

00:15:57   to be looking for i want to see and [TS]

00:15:58   objectivity video with you sir Don [TS]

00:15:59   sometime I'll take a picture of me [TS]

00:16:01   wearing it with tomorrow's newspaper [TS]

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00:17:48   supporting the show and now another [TS]

00:17:50   thing I wanted to follow up on was you [TS]

00:17:54   know how you have your series thing when [TS]

00:17:56   you're angry where serie says hang on [TS]

00:17:59   i'll tell you when I'm ready are ya i [TS]

00:18:01   realized that i have one of those as [TS]

00:18:02   well so do you [TS]

00:18:03   yeah I didn't realize how much i had [TS]

00:18:06   annoyed me and then a day or two [TS]

00:18:07   afterwards that happened to me again and [TS]

00:18:08   I thought this is making me feel how [TS]

00:18:10   gray felt it's not quite as an overtly [TS]

00:18:13   hostile but i'll tell you what it is and [TS]

00:18:16   you know you may not recognize it [TS]

00:18:18   because you're like a female ninja who [TS]

00:18:20   gets around these problems in other ways [TS]

00:18:21   but not often I find myself on mailing [TS]

00:18:25   lists I don't want to be on hulu and [TS]

00:18:27   sometimes i click that button that says [TS]

00:18:30   unsubscribe me from this little and you [TS]

00:18:33   always get met with a response that I [TS]

00:18:35   find wholly inappropriate and that is [TS]

00:18:38   your request is being processed food and [TS]

00:18:42   that bothers me in two ways [TS]

00:18:44   I've been put on your my oldest that I [TS]

00:18:46   didn't want to be on which I consider a [TS]

00:18:48   hostile act already know and then you [TS]

00:18:50   have the audacity to treat my demand to [TS]

00:18:53   be have my privacy back as a media [TS]

00:18:55   requests your request [TS]

00:18:58   oh we consider your request this is not [TS]

00:18:59   a request this is a demand to be removed [TS]

00:19:02   from your list and then also being [TS]

00:19:05   processed like I could take us a few [TS]

00:19:06   weeks and we're going to talk to build [TS]

00:19:08   from accounting but no no take me off [TS]

00:19:11   the list that I've been wrongly put on [TS]

00:19:14   immediately and stop sending me spam [TS]

00:19:16   food [TS]

00:19:17   your request is being processed is [TS]

00:19:19   unsatisfactory to me i have in the past [TS]

00:19:22   i have seen that it may take up to 24 to [TS]

00:19:24   48 hours to remove you from this list i [TS]

00:19:27   feel like i don't believe you but I [TS]

00:19:29   don't believe that that's actually true [TS]

00:19:30   i think you want to get in water to more [TS]

00:19:32   mailings while you still can [TS]

00:19:33   I think this is part of your automated [TS]

00:19:34   system that you want to try to catch me [TS]

00:19:36   before I go and you're like I might take [TS]

00:19:37   two days if even if it is true that it [TS]

00:19:39   takes one or two days for some silly [TS]

00:19:41   reason who just keep that to yourself [TS]

00:19:43   like to say sorry about that you're off [TS]

00:19:46   the list at [TS]

00:19:47   is that what you wanted the unsubscribe [TS]

00:19:49   message sorry about that here off the [TS]

00:19:51   lower request is being processed [TS]

00:19:53   of course I'm not mortally scared that [TS]

00:19:54   is the message people get my unsubscribe [TS]

00:19:56   from by my list I must check that I have [TS]

00:20:01   no idea that but hopeful of one of [TS]

00:20:03   Brady's things a look it takes up to 72 [TS]

00:20:05   hours to process your request wow what a [TS]

00:20:08   jerk [TS]

00:20:09   yeah your players being considered [TS]

00:20:12   I do have to say I'm a little bit [TS]

00:20:15   pleased by the fact that you notice this [TS]

00:20:17   thing and you are now annoyed by it [TS]

00:20:18   because my only consolidation to my [TS]

00:20:21   serie rent from last time was hearing [TS]

00:20:24   from a number of people who I hadn't [TS]

00:20:26   planted this mind virus into that are [TS]

00:20:28   now aware of their rude supposedly but [TS]

00:20:32   not actually subservience digital [TS]

00:20:34   devices in one form or another [TS]

00:20:36   I feel like great like my annoyance [TS]

00:20:38   allow it to spread outward like from my [TS]

00:20:40   mind to your mind [TS]

00:20:42   so I've got another bit of follow-up [TS]

00:20:43   gray em you may remember in i think it [TS]

00:20:47   was the previous episode we talked about [TS]

00:20:48   in Australia the channel channel seven [TS]

00:20:51   had this obscene watermark on their news [TS]

00:20:55   coverage whenever they have exclusive [TS]

00:20:57   footage of something that they want to [TS]

00:20:59   have to themselves on the news like a [TS]

00:21:00   fire or a car crash little they were [TS]

00:21:02   putting this watermark that covered half [TS]

00:21:04   the screen saying Channel 7 News it was [TS]

00:21:06   ridiculous [TS]

00:21:08   so since then someone has shown me sort [TS]

00:21:11   of a promotional advertisement that was [TS]

00:21:12   made by channel nine and before I get [TS]

00:21:15   you to watch a great just so you've got [TS]

00:21:17   the context in your head who [TS]

00:21:19   channel 7 and channel nine when it comes [TS]

00:21:21   to news coverage and their nightly news [TS]

00:21:23   programs mortal enemy little mortal [TS]

00:21:26   enemies and it is highly highly [TS]

00:21:28   competitive I've not known a TV news [TS]

00:21:30   markers competitive and channel nine [TS]

00:21:32   channel seven who are the two top dogs i [TS]

00:21:35   just always at each other's throat they [TS]

00:21:36   always want the exclusive and that so [TS]

00:21:39   channel 9 made a video that they have [TS]

00:21:42   thought needed to be shown to the world [TS]

00:21:43   and i would like you to watch this video [TS]

00:21:46   now takes about 30 seconds okay see what [TS]

00:21:48   you think I'm imagining that whatever [TS]

00:21:50   i'm going to see it's gonna have a [TS]

00:21:51   watermark that's like from channel 9 [TS]

00:21:52   news [TS]

00:21:53   screw you channel 7 news this is way [TS]

00:21:56   more matter than that [TS]

00:21:57   channel 9 would like to apologize to all [TS]

00:22:00   viewers who find the watermark we put in [TS]

00:22:03   the middle of the screen annoying and [TS]

00:22:05   distracting [TS]

00:22:06   unfortunately even a big watermark like [TS]

00:22:09   this isn't enough to stop channel seven [TS]

00:22:11   from stealing our footage they even have [TS]

00:22:14   the audacity to call it an exclusive [TS]

00:22:16   were good i was a little bit amazed by [TS]

00:22:24   I've never seen a more petty I'm not [TS]

00:22:28   it's like kids fighting in the backseat [TS]

00:22:31   of a car [TS]

00:22:32   even I wouldn't do that and I'm Petty [TS]

00:22:35   sometimes you are incredibly petty [TS]

00:22:37   sometimes but that is amazing that you [TS]

00:22:40   want to explain to people what you just [TS]

00:22:41   watch okay of course in the show notes [TS]

00:22:43   for the people who helped as well love [TS]

00:22:45   this channel 9 news like we're sorry for [TS]

00:22:49   some viewers of finding our gigantic [TS]

00:22:51   watermark annoying but even our gigantic [TS]

00:22:54   watermark didn't stop those jerks the [TS]

00:22:57   channel 7 news from airing our footage [TS]

00:22:59   as an exclusive ok then i'm sure they [TS]

00:23:02   didn't look what channel 7 didn't look [TS]

00:23:04   blurred our water back and claim that [TS]

00:23:06   was their own footage [TS]

00:23:07   they're basically telling tales that [TS]

00:23:09   night they're like them I'm having [TS]

00:23:10   flashbacks to kids tattling on each [TS]

00:23:12   other at school and me just not caring [TS]

00:23:15   at all where between the Superman I've [TS]

00:23:18   couched as like a public service message [TS]

00:23:21   exactly that's awful apologetic and [TS]

00:23:22   explanatory and then it goes but channel [TS]

00:23:25   7 didn't look what they did I can just [TS]

00:23:27   hear myself like listen Susie listen [TS]

00:23:30   Cindy I don't care what happens like [TS]

00:23:31   just sit down just sit down and be quiet [TS]

00:23:33   i don't care [TS]

00:23:34   basically it's like a YouTube war [TS]

00:23:37   yeah except it's like grown-up TV [TS]

00:23:39   channels that should know better [TS]

00:23:41   like it's the sort of juvenile thing [TS]

00:23:42   that bloggers do when they just not [TS]

00:23:44   mature it is bitching about each other [TS]

00:23:48   I feel like if we ever return to the [TS]

00:23:50   topic of the news and why you think i [TS]

00:23:52   should watch it because people are very [TS]

00:23:53   professional and attire and forward [TS]

00:23:55   about the world i'm just going to [TS]

00:23:56   remember this moment this is going to [TS]

00:23:58   come into my head of like oh yes those [TS]

00:24:00   news channels i never met an Australian [TS]

00:24:02   write those savages don't know what [TS]

00:24:04   they're doing is that what you're saying [TS]

00:24:05   Brady tell you [TS]

00:24:07   that's competitive down there is [TS]

00:24:09   competitive well done guys [TS]

00:24:11   nobody cares they're look so I'm just [TS]

00:24:14   back from a capital awakes and spiritual [TS]

00:24:16   have and I've been doing a lot of [TS]

00:24:19   overing yes I guess not surprisingly [TS]

00:24:23   spending a lot of time in new Bruges [TS]

00:24:24   always makes me think more and more [TS]

00:24:26   about uber and I've had two thoughts i [TS]

00:24:29   wanted to share them [TS]

00:24:31   one is I know we can discuss this before [TS]

00:24:33   and it's not like a new discovery but it [TS]

00:24:35   was kind of like a real discovery for me [TS]

00:24:37   because I spent a lot more time talking [TS]

00:24:39   to the drivers and understanding things [TS]

00:24:40   flew and it made me realize why I would [TS]

00:24:43   probably find driving boobs quite [TS]

00:24:46   addictive and it's how successfully they [TS]

00:24:48   like have game ified the experience what [TS]

00:24:52   do you mean like being an over driver to [TS]

00:24:54   me is like playing a video game it's [TS]

00:24:57   like you've got like a screen like an [TS]

00:25:00   interface and you never know where your [TS]

00:25:02   next adventure is gonna come from and [TS]

00:25:04   where it's going to be too and who it's [TS]

00:25:05   gonna be weird and suddenly pops up and [TS]

00:25:07   you do it you collect rewards for doing [TS]

00:25:09   it and the more you do it the more [TS]

00:25:11   rewards you get and you're following a [TS]

00:25:13   map to find the person and they going to [TS]

00:25:14   follow a map to take them to their place [TS]

00:25:16   and if you do that you get the treasure [TS]

00:25:18   and also ever have lots of light [TS]

00:25:20   incentives that they built into it that [TS]

00:25:23   i'm a big nerd of like if you do 50 [TS]

00:25:25   rides before monday you get an extra [TS]

00:25:26   hundred ninety dollars and if you do 20 [TS]

00:25:30   of these before 2pm tomorrow there's a [TS]

00:25:33   there's always like bonuses and things [TS]

00:25:35   coming up all the time for the drivers [TS]

00:25:36   and there was really aware of these [TS]

00:25:38   things and they'll work the extra two [TS]

00:25:40   hours because therefore ride short of [TS]

00:25:41   their two hundred dollar bonus but will [TS]

00:25:44   my next one take me far enough to know [TS]

00:25:46   what will I get next and it's all very [TS]

00:25:47   game ified i found really appealing [TS]

00:25:50   talking to them about and i can imagine [TS]

00:25:51   how much fun that would be the first [TS]

00:25:53   time i came across this was actually [TS]

00:25:54   talking about this with an uber driver [TS]

00:25:57   in San Francisco I forget exactly what [TS]

00:25:59   it was but he had some kind of incentive [TS]

00:26:01   to stay in the center of the city like [TS]

00:26:04   he could specify that on his appt be [TS]

00:26:06   like if he hit a certain number of [TS]

00:26:08   short-haul drives they would pay him [TS]

00:26:11   enough to make up for the fact that he [TS]

00:26:13   was doing like a very large number of [TS]

00:26:14   very short drives i learned so much [TS]

00:26:17   great [TS]

00:26:17   I complicated to as I was saying what if [TS]

00:26:19   you want to go somewhere and like uber [TS]

00:26:22   is taking you somewhere else soon but [TS]

00:26:23   you can tell over i want to get to this [TS]

00:26:25   place and it will give you rides to get [TS]

00:26:27   you there but you can only do two of [TS]

00:26:29   them a day and also they don't count [TS]

00:26:32   towards your bonuses so if you're trying [TS]

00:26:34   to collect 50 bonuses your destination [TS]

00:26:36   choices don't count if you're within [TS]

00:26:38   like a two-mile radius of the airport [TS]

00:26:39   you go to a special airport q but if [TS]

00:26:42   you're just dropping someone off [TS]

00:26:43   straight away you can potentially jump [TS]

00:26:45   that Q and go to the front because i [TS]

00:26:47   want to encourage people to take people [TS]

00:26:48   to the airport interesting it's so [TS]

00:26:50   complicated there's so many cool little [TS]

00:26:52   rules and complications it's amazing [TS]

00:26:55   do you want to be an uber driver do you [TS]

00:26:56   know what I do want to do know I want to [TS]

00:26:58   work on a train [TS]

00:26:59   ok that's a bit out of left field yeah I [TS]

00:27:02   must have had some time I just think [TS]

00:27:03   working on the train line to be so much [TS]

00:27:05   fun feel like trains are the opposite of [TS]

00:27:07   uber but ok [TS]

00:27:08   yes but i was applying a sandwich on the [TS]

00:27:10   train the other day and said to the guy [TS]

00:27:11   said he liked working on the train and [TS]

00:27:14   he said i love her i get up in the [TS]

00:27:16   morning and I'm in London in the [TS]

00:27:17   afternoon for my lunch break and then [TS]

00:27:19   I'm back home and I think working on the [TS]

00:27:21   trains would be great [TS]

00:27:22   so the other thing that happened was [TS]

00:27:25   and funnily enough it was the guy who [TS]

00:27:27   told me the most about her over works [TS]

00:27:29   will he was dragged me to the airport so [TS]

00:27:30   we had a really long drive but when we [TS]

00:27:32   got near the airport and I must point [TS]

00:27:34   out I get it was to and from San [TS]

00:27:36   Francisco Airport quite a lot little [TS]

00:27:38   quite familiar with how it all works and [TS]

00:27:40   he was driving me there and he says I [TS]

00:27:42   can't drop you at the international [TS]

00:27:44   terminal and I've been dropped at the [TS]

00:27:45   international terminal many times and I [TS]

00:27:47   get picked up from the international [TS]

00:27:48   terminal hulu and I know there's a place [TS]

00:27:50   at the international terminal it's at [TS]

00:27:52   the departures section where the ogres [TS]

00:27:55   go because whenever i arrived i have to [TS]

00:27:57   go up to departures to get my room [TS]

00:27:59   because the design allowed down arrivals [TS]

00:28:01   I know this so he's saying I can't drop [TS]

00:28:04   you there [TS]

00:28:04   I've gotta drop your domestic and then [TS]

00:28:06   you go to walk along the bridge or catch [TS]

00:28:07   a train or something [TS]

00:28:08   no no not acceptable and I was like this [TS]

00:28:11   is crazy like I get dropped all the time [TS]

00:28:12   you're wrong and he's like I can get a [TS]

00:28:14   hundred-dollar fired and I can lose my [TS]

00:28:15   permit and he was very insistent and I'm [TS]

00:28:19   like I just didn't believe her i said [TS]

00:28:20   you're wrong this is incorrect [TS]

00:28:22   you can do it and then I said how long [TS]

00:28:24   have you been an uber driver for and he [TS]

00:28:27   said I've been an uber driver for about [TS]

00:28:28   two months and I hadn't been to san fran [TS]

00:28:31   just go in the last two months so I was [TS]

00:28:33   thinking has some new rule come in the [TS]

00:28:35   last two months stopping them dropping [TS]

00:28:37   people off right oh no here's this grain [TS]

00:28:40   of doubt in your mind [TS]

00:28:41   he was very short and I was googling and [TS]

00:28:43   I couldn't find anything about it and I [TS]

00:28:45   was mad and I knew it was wrong and he [TS]

00:28:47   said he drops me at the domestic [TS]

00:28:49   terminal and by this time the dark [TS]

00:28:51   clouds come over me and I said you are [TS]

00:28:52   wrong about this [TS]

00:28:54   I refuse to believe in the city of San [TS]

00:28:55   Francisco you human beings can't be [TS]

00:28:57   dropped by neighbor at the international [TS]

00:28:59   terminal i know some cities have roles [TS]

00:29:01   but I just didn't believe this i'm just [TS]

00:29:02   thinking of this poor guy picks up his [TS]

00:29:05   affable Australian but little does he [TS]

00:29:06   know that the dark cloud is coming on [TS]

00:29:08   this ride i was still like civil and he [TS]

00:29:13   dropped me off and i said i believe [TS]

00:29:15   you're wrong and he said you're gonna [TS]

00:29:17   walk up there and go there whatever I [TS]

00:29:19   said have a nice day thank you very much [TS]

00:29:21   thank you goodbye and you drive away and [TS]

00:29:24   then i gave him one star because he has [TS]

00:29:28   two jobs who to pick me up [TS]

00:29:30   Lou and trust me where I want to go Lou [TS]

00:29:32   he did the first part well Lou but he [TS]

00:29:37   completely failed to do the second part [TS]

00:29:38   but I did not give him one star until I [TS]

00:29:41   went inside and said to the woman at the [TS]

00:29:42   information desk can / struck me at the [TS]

00:29:44   international terminal and she said yes [TS]

00:29:45   yes they can but they can only drop you [TS]

00:29:47   at departures they can't drop your [TS]

00:29:48   arrivals and I should thank you [TS]

00:29:51   okay good that's what i wanted to check [TS]

00:29:53   now I did ask but then I tried to [TS]

00:29:55   contact him like I wanted to send him a [TS]

00:29:57   message or like phone him or something [TS]

00:29:59   just so he knew for next time [TS]

00:30:01   and if i had been able to do that i [TS]

00:30:03   probably would have up to star rating i [TS]

00:30:04   even googled how do i change the rating [TS]

00:30:06   i gave him because I felt so guilty but [TS]

00:30:09   I couldn't contact him I couldn't just [TS]

00:30:10   send him like a text message like to say [TS]

00:30:12   hey man just so you know you've [TS]

00:30:15   misunderstood the role little because he [TS]

00:30:17   says sorry I always have to do this even [TS]

00:30:19   told me he always drops people at the [TS]

00:30:21   domestic terminal when they're flying [TS]

00:30:22   international so he's doing this all the [TS]

00:30:24   time to people i had to then like go up [TS]

00:30:28   two escalators and catch a train and all [TS]

00:30:30   sorts of things to get where I wanted to [TS]

00:30:31   go [TS]

00:30:32   you're just trying to be a hero for the [TS]

00:30:33   next guy who steps in this guy's uber [TS]

00:30:35   home i wanted to help him but I still [TS]

00:30:37   feel guilty about it I don't know what [TS]

00:30:39   to tell you what was I supposed to do [TS]

00:30:41   was supposed to give him five stars for [TS]

00:30:43   dropping me so far away [TS]

00:30:44   to catch a train to my destination and [TS]

00:30:47   you can't give someone five stars for [TS]

00:30:49   that [TS]

00:30:49   no you can't get some 15 starts that i'm [TS]

00:30:51   going to back you on this one Brady [TS]

00:30:52   thank you [TS]

00:30:53   he's surprisingly relieved that I didn't [TS]

00:30:59   realize my verdict on whether or not the [TS]

00:31:00   one star rating was okay was really [TS]

00:31:02   weighing on you here [TS]

00:31:03   I felt like I had nowhere the toes in my [TS]

00:31:05   tool belt what else could I do [TS]

00:31:06   did you leave a comment when you left [TS]

00:31:08   the one star review no it didn't give me [TS]

00:31:09   the option to normally it does it says [TS]

00:31:11   we know why one star because that's all [TS]

00:31:13   I wanted to do I wanted to get the [TS]

00:31:14   information to the guy right so the [TS]

00:31:17   reason I put one style was because I [TS]

00:31:18   know if I put 3 or higher [TS]

00:31:20   I don't get to leave a comment blue so I [TS]

00:31:22   pressed one knowing it would say why [TS]

00:31:24   what's your comment and then comment [TS]

00:31:26   thing didn't come up these are the [TS]

00:31:28   tragedies in our modern world [TS]

00:31:30   poor guy anyway one story from Brady I [TS]

00:31:35   tell you what they want tragedies you [TS]

00:31:37   ready for the next topic [TS]

00:31:39   ok you always have this way of starting [TS]

00:31:43   a topic that sets me on edge every time [TS]

00:31:46   i watched every topic I don't always [TS]

00:31:48   leave it in the show because sometimes [TS]

00:31:49   i'm just so thrown out of sorts like the [TS]

00:31:51   most innocuous topics somehow you always [TS]

00:31:54   put me on edge and then every once in a [TS]

00:31:56   while there's a real reason to be on [TS]

00:32:00   edge like Apple feedback last time so i [TS]

00:32:02   always feel like we're rolling with days [TS]

00:32:04   every time Brady brings up the topic in [TS]

00:32:06   this way so I'm I thought you were about [TS]

00:32:07   to praise me then for my kid sick ways [TS]

00:32:09   because almost every segment so far has [TS]

00:32:11   segue into the one before and I thought [TS]

00:32:13   that was a pretty good segue and I [TS]

00:32:14   thought how great taking the time to [TS]

00:32:15   just give me a pat on the back now I'm [TS]

00:32:17   not taking the time to give you a pat on [TS]

00:32:18   the back in fact i'm always annoyed by [TS]

00:32:20   your segways because they make it harder [TS]

00:32:21   for me to edit the show later always [TS]

00:32:23   liked our braided a Segway here he [TS]

00:32:24   couldn't just start the topic now i have [TS]

00:32:26   to cut around this because I'm chopping [TS]

00:32:28   out the boring bits I already thought [TS]

00:32:30   about that and I thought that said where [TS]

00:32:31   you could put one there is like I said [TS]

00:32:33   you went to the next subject then you [TS]

00:32:35   can go to beat up anyone's like I are I [TS]

00:32:39   can't wait to find out what the next [TS]

00:32:40   subject is it's gonna be awesome [TS]

00:32:42   that's what I'm supposed to put the cut [TS]

00:32:43   ok I didn't realize that it's different [TS]

00:32:45   every time i get my anxiety is ramping [TS]

00:32:48   up here what is the thing that you want [TS]

00:32:50   to talk about [TS]

00:32:50   well I want to talk about what could be [TS]

00:32:54   apples greatest blunder know [TS]

00:32:55   ok now i'm not talking about the watch [TS]

00:32:58   okay because I can avoid the watch i [TS]

00:33:01   don't have to wear the Apple watch [TS]

00:33:02   so even though i think it's not their [TS]

00:33:04   greatest moment whatever and it'll get [TS]

00:33:07   you eventually just a matter of getting [TS]

00:33:08   eventually maybe whatever you bring it [TS]

00:33:10   up here like always above washer i [TS]

00:33:11   always feel like I'm just gonna sit back [TS]

00:33:13   right maybe it's a year maybe it's five [TS]

00:33:15   years but it's as inevitable as a [TS]

00:33:17   smartphone so yeah okay breaking [TS]

00:33:19   everything up a notch [TS]

00:33:20   sure i'm secretly thinking one day grays [TS]

00:33:23   gonna get you know what I think I'm just [TS]

00:33:25   gonna get a classy mechanical yeah you [TS]

00:33:27   know what we need we need one of those [TS]

00:33:28   websites that allows you to place bets [TS]

00:33:30   like 5-10 years out i would happily take [TS]

00:33:33   that bet of which is going to happen [TS]

00:33:35   first does grace which to a mechanical [TS]

00:33:37   water does Brady switch to an Apple [TS]

00:33:39   watch I will happily take that bet you [TS]

00:33:42   think I'm gonna been like either my [TS]

00:33:44   amiga of my rolex for a Apple watch [TS]

00:33:47   I think it will eventually happen [TS]

00:33:48   because the value-add of a computer on [TS]

00:33:52   your wrist will eventually beat the [TS]

00:33:55   value of your nice watch [TS]

00:33:57   I'm not saying soon right I'm not saying [TS]

00:33:59   next year or two years loves to those [TS]

00:34:01   two watches hi [TS]

00:34:02   I know it's very high breaking I feel [TS]

00:34:04   like this is almost certainly like the [TS]

00:34:06   smartphone version of this like [TS]

00:34:07   eventually it'll lose but anyway there [TS]

00:34:10   is a chance but I also think there's a [TS]

00:34:11   chance that there's some sophistication [TS]

00:34:13   switch will turn and you suddenly just [TS]

00:34:15   mature ever so slightly and become like [TS]

00:34:18   a little bit class here right that's [TS]

00:34:19   always what it's about and just [TS]

00:34:21   unsophisticated unclassy and immature [TS]

00:34:24   yeah because I don't decorate my house [TS]

00:34:25   like it's from the 1910s understand that [TS]

00:34:28   my love of a modern sleek aesthetic is [TS]

00:34:31   just so childish [TS]

00:34:32   it's obviously a thing all children are [TS]

00:34:34   born with and real men grow out of and [TS]

00:34:36   we'll just wait [TS]

00:34:37   Childish of course not just less [TS]

00:34:40   sophisticated yes I will grant you that [TS]

00:34:42   there is a nonzero chance that I would [TS]

00:34:45   switch to mechanical watch but it is [TS]

00:34:46   very close to zero i would happily take [TS]

00:34:49   that back [TS]

00:34:50   yeah so what is Apple's greatest blunder [TS]

00:34:52   well it's not even the massive massive [TS]

00:34:56   blunder that they've made with this new [TS]

00:34:58   macbook pro which for the first time i'm [TS]

00:35:02   seriously seriously endanger being [TS]

00:35:05   knocked off using Apple really because [TS]

00:35:06   this new macbook pro is bordering on a [TS]

00:35:08   new [TS]

00:35:08   simple for me with the lack of ports [TS]

00:35:10   crazy ok so that's what it is because [TS]

00:35:12   I'm not really in the market for a [TS]

00:35:13   laptop I didn't follow this very closely [TS]

00:35:15   at all i know people have been [TS]

00:35:16   complaining about it but I haven't [TS]

00:35:18   followed it all figured out why it has [TS]

00:35:20   these new USB ports whatever they're [TS]

00:35:22   called is the USBC oh yeah okay i just [TS]

00:35:25   got two of them and nothing else and [TS]

00:35:27   this is the pro I can't put my SD cards [TS]

00:35:29   into it without my video footage I can't [TS]

00:35:31   put all my drawers and drawers full of [TS]

00:35:34   hard drives that have all my rushes and [TS]

00:35:35   things that I edit with anyway that's [TS]

00:35:38   not I don't want to talk about that at [TS]

00:35:39   the moment [TS]

00:35:40   ok that's not the disaster i'm sorry no [TS]

00:35:42   no man i can't imagine what the crew [TS]

00:35:45   disaster is there in the upcoming update [TS]

00:35:50   to the iOS emojis the wolf face which i [TS]

00:35:58   have been using for Lulu and ordering [TS]

00:36:00   for quite some time now she has been [TS]

00:36:02   changed to a crappy grey wolf and it's [TS]

00:36:05   no longer the Audrey loo look alike my [TS]

00:36:08   favorite emoji has been retired [TS]

00:36:10   I should have known it was gonna be [TS]

00:36:12   simple I'm gonna talk about seriously I [TS]

00:36:18   feel like I just walked right into the [TS]

00:36:20   access for the benefit of like I'm [TS]

00:36:22   waiting for some serious conversation [TS]

00:36:24   and thinking how is pretty really going [TS]

00:36:26   to switch computing systems [TS]

00:36:27   what could possibly be my running my [TS]

00:36:29   mental rolodex of course it's emoji [TS]

00:36:31   related and I should have known should [TS]

00:36:34   have known we can have a boring talk [TS]

00:36:35   about changing computer systems another [TS]

00:36:37   day [TS]

00:36:38   let's talk about ammo gentle face ok but [TS]

00:36:41   so just to be clear they're making the [TS]

00:36:43   wolf face actually look like a wolf [TS]

00:36:45   instead of looking like a two-hour [TS]

00:36:47   that's what you're upset yes most other [TS]

00:36:48   you know applications and operating [TS]

00:36:50   systems have made the wolf face sort of [TS]

00:36:52   a great-looking wolf right like a wolf [TS]

00:36:55   yeah and apple had this glitch where for [TS]

00:36:57   some reason they were using this kind of [TS]

00:36:59   doggie type yellowy foxy thing that just [TS]

00:37:02   like Lulu and Audrey so that was not [TS]

00:37:04   what i use and everyone knows that was [TS]

00:37:05   my favorite emoji even this is like when [TS]

00:37:08   you say it looked just like Lulu and [TS]

00:37:10   heart 3i think that is quite a stretch [TS]

00:37:12   to say it looks just like them but it [TS]

00:37:14   looked more like them it was certainly a [TS]

00:37:16   suitable replacement for them in like [TS]

00:37:18   text messages and stuff that you're [TS]

00:37:21   already way [TS]

00:37:22   walking that background he's talking [TS]

00:37:23   with looks just like them and now we've [TS]

00:37:25   got to suitable replacement for the [TS]

00:37:28   converging form i would say if you are [TS]

00:37:30   going to design quite a simple emoji to [TS]

00:37:32   look like Audrey and her that's pretty [TS]

00:37:34   much what you do got yellow heads got a [TS]

00:37:36   little bit of white on the face a little [TS]

00:37:37   bit of white on the neck just like those [TS]

00:37:39   dogs in fact i will walk that walk back [TS]

00:37:42   and say it does look just like them will [TS]

00:37:44   let the people decide okay will be a [TS]

00:37:45   link in the show notes and I'm sure fury [TS]

00:37:49   as arguments in read it let the people [TS]

00:37:52   decide on this one so anyway I have sent [TS]

00:37:54   you a picture of what the camera Taylor [TS]

00:37:56   George look alike and the new wolf looks [TS]

00:37:58   like new wolf is better but it looks [TS]

00:38:00   kind of like a squirrel [TS]

00:38:02   does that bother you that I think it [TS]

00:38:03   looks better yes but it does look like a [TS]

00:38:04   squirrel [TS]

00:38:05   it has a very squirrely I always feel [TS]

00:38:07   like you're really loyal to order and [TS]

00:38:09   literally when I thought you kind of go [TS]

00:38:10   into back for them a bit wait hold on a [TS]

00:38:12   second [TS]

00:38:13   loyal two dogs in emoji form i think [TS]

00:38:16   you're misunderstanding that I like your [TS]

00:38:19   dogs i have an incredible indifference [TS]

00:38:22   to emoji faces [TS]

00:38:24   well I tell you what are the only person [TS]

00:38:26   who's showing less sensitivity than yes [TS]

00:38:28   it is my contact at a major pedia who I [TS]

00:38:32   contacted just before the show our [TS]

00:38:33   confirmation of what was happening [TS]

00:38:36   uh-huh and he says bad news Bradley I'm [TS]

00:38:38   sorry to break this to you and he said [TS]

00:38:39   the new one that looks nothing like [TS]

00:38:40   Audrey are low but then he had the [TS]

00:38:43   audacity in my wounded emotional state [TS]

00:38:46   he said to me this is a great win for [TS]

00:38:48   cross-platform consistency but perhaps a [TS]

00:38:51   loss for you and you Fox face emoji [TS]

00:38:53   exists which some could see as a [TS]

00:38:55   replacement for the old image so he's [TS]

00:38:57   kicked me while I'm down and said that [TS]

00:38:59   basically the emoji community is [TS]

00:39:00   celebrating this as they should [TS]

00:39:03   yeah okay love with him on that one as [TS]

00:39:05   if that's not bad enough he then says [TS]

00:39:08   because you know how last time we talked [TS]

00:39:09   about this we caused his huge surge in a [TS]

00:39:12   major pedia searches on this thing right [TS]

00:39:14   and like there was a graph that showed a [TS]

00:39:15   lot of spite of that food so it's like a [TS]

00:39:17   thank you [TS]

00:39:18   he has this fundraising thing where you [TS]

00:39:20   can adopt an emoji little and he made [TS]

00:39:22   Audrey they like the doctor of that [TS]

00:39:24   emoji who he then has the audacity to [TS]

00:39:27   say to be in this email where he's just [TS]

00:39:28   kicked me he's put PS Audrey's one-year [TS]

00:39:31   complimentary adoption of this emoji has [TS]

00:39:33   just expired two was this [TS]

00:39:35   not the respect that you deserve ready [TS]

00:39:37   because i don't think anything that [TS]

00:39:38   upset him how can you not give Audrey [TS]

00:39:42   like a lifetime adoption as tribute [TS]

00:39:44   especially now that it's being retired [TS]

00:39:46   me ask you something how can you demand [TS]

00:39:49   lifetime adoption on the way the person [TS]

00:39:51   makes their living off of the emoji [TS]

00:39:53   media I don't think that's how he makes [TS]

00:39:54   his living even if he doesn't make his [TS]

00:39:56   living like it's clear like a for-profit [TS]

00:39:58   organization i presume against like [TS]

00:40:00   they're making money on the emoji media [TS]

00:40:02   and here you are wanting to lock down [TS]

00:40:04   forever a little piece of real estate he [TS]

00:40:06   was quite happy to put Audrey's name on [TS]

00:40:08   it without my permission to start with [TS]

00:40:09   that was a generous gift for a limited [TS]

00:40:12   period of time I I think he was trading [TS]

00:40:15   off orgies Fame know is that what you [TS]

00:40:17   think [TS]

00:40:17   okay well then you were the sucker for [TS]

00:40:19   talking about it this much he said to me [TS]

00:40:22   when I said that he said I'm sorry 2016 [TS]

00:40:24   continues to disappoint ya i said oh [TS]

00:40:29   well you can kiss another promotion of a [TS]

00:40:31   major PDA goodbye but he's got one right [TS]

00:40:34   yeah [TS]

00:40:34   and yet here we are here we are [TS]

00:40:38   oh you're not going to like this look [TS]

00:40:42   well i was thinking you know how like [TS]

00:40:47   that you're making rice wrap and the [TS]

00:40:48   reunion swamp and I like extinct and you [TS]

00:40:52   know how like the black stump was once [TS]

00:40:55   the tallest building is not anymore [TS]

00:40:56   right [TS]

00:40:57   I think this seems to be a theme of [TS]

00:40:58   their official things being like things [TS]

00:41:00   that have kind of fired or no longer [TS]

00:41:03   exist man so I was wondering if the [TS]

00:41:05   yellow version of the wolf emoji could [TS]

00:41:07   be the official emoji of hello internet [TS]

00:41:09   no no of course not what up [TS]

00:41:11   I don't know how you do this Freddie cuz [TS]

00:41:13   know what I feel like I've already lost [TS]

00:41:16   before any of these conversations even [TS]

00:41:18   start because I you have this ability to [TS]

00:41:21   rally the people around these unofficial [TS]

00:41:22   official things for hello internet it's [TS]

00:41:25   like quicksand right the more I resist [TS]

00:41:27   the more people are like oh what a great [TS]

00:41:28   idea that is tracking second so I have [TS]

00:41:31   to ask you because the reason I want to [TS]

00:41:32   know your thoughts on her is because [TS]

00:41:34   when i make the t-shirt I want to know [TS]

00:41:36   if it has to say official or unofficial [TS]

00:41:37   emoji of hello internet i think all the [TS]

00:41:40   Brady things have to be the unofficial [TS]

00:41:41   whatever that's the unofficial ability [TS]

00:41:45   of hello internet I will concede on [TS]

00:41:47   unofficial official [TS]

00:41:49   hello internet right it does that make [TS]

00:41:51   you happy so i can put an official [TS]

00:41:52   official yeah I think that's the [TS]

00:41:54   compromise that we're reaching I think [TS]

00:41:55   that's an upgrade from just unofficial [TS]

00:41:57   take it however you want as long as the [TS]

00:42:00   unofficial is first [TS]

00:42:01   does that mean we have to decide on an [TS]

00:42:04   official apology at some point now we're [TS]

00:42:05   not doing this we're not doing this we [TS]

00:42:07   don't need an official emoji and if we [TS]

00:42:08   were going to have an official imagine [TS]

00:42:10   what would have paid that we don't need [TS]

00:42:11   like an official rice hand like any of [TS]

00:42:14   these things we don't need I don't [TS]

00:42:15   understand them [TS]

00:42:16   I know you love them and I'm very happy [TS]

00:42:18   for you but I don't know what the [TS]

00:42:20   official emoji would be alright I don't [TS]

00:42:22   even know what all the emojis are well [TS]

00:42:23   we know what the unofficial official one [TS]

00:42:25   is it's the yellow version of the wash [TS]

00:42:27   that will be phased out and I OS 10.2 [TS]

00:42:29   right so yeah the artificial emoji is [TS]

00:42:32   the extinct one from 10.1 an earlier [TS]

00:42:35   yeah it's not retro man it's cool i bet [TS]

00:42:37   you it'll come back in again center [TS]

00:42:39   after will be like why is everyone [TS]

00:42:42   wearing these t-shirts with their old [TS]

00:42:43   wolf emoji on it i'm sure that that is [TS]

00:42:45   exactly what app will be thinking why is [TS]

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00:44:42   bumped into someone in berkeley wearing [TS]

00:44:44   a reunion swap paint Asia no yeah it was [TS]

00:44:47   the first time i've ever seen someone [TS]

00:44:48   wearing something hello internet who [TS]

00:44:50   didn't know that we're gonna make me [TS]

00:44:51   really like he just walked up to me and [TS]

00:44:53   said oh wow [TS]

00:44:54   Brady what are you doing here and then I [TS]

00:44:57   looked and he was wearing the reunions [TS]

00:44:58   want plantation was brilliant [TS]

00:45:00   that is kind of brilliant yeah I had a [TS]

00:45:02   similar experience but ever so slightly [TS]

00:45:05   different and that I got on an elevator [TS]

00:45:08   with someone who i saw was listening to [TS]

00:45:10   the hello Internet podcast no elevator [TS]

00:45:13   yeah did you say something of course not [TS]

00:45:15   i stayed behind him and kept quiet there [TS]

00:45:17   is a crime that you did not does not a [TS]

00:45:20   crime [TS]

00:45:20   oh there's not a crime that is a totally [TS]

00:45:23   reasonable response that would have been [TS]

00:45:25   the most awesome thing ever [TS]

00:45:26   no it would not be the most awesome [TS]

00:45:28   thing ever because this guy is in a [TS]

00:45:30   building that i'm in a whole bunch and [TS]

00:45:32   he would know who i am and then forever [TS]

00:45:34   we might have to say hello if we see [TS]

00:45:36   each other now is there's no way this is [TS]

00:45:37   going to happen just he work in your [TS]

00:45:38   building [TS]

00:45:39   yeah he works in my building so that's [TS]

00:45:40   not all not once not ever [TS]

00:45:42   now everyone in London who since the [TS]

00:45:44   halloween tonight is thinking just great [TS]

00:45:46   work in my building [TS]

00:45:48   the answer is no people no I work in [TS]

00:45:51   none of your buildings except you Tim I [TS]

00:45:56   still think it's a little bit criminal [TS]

00:45:58   that you didn't like that was just such [TS]

00:46:00   a perfect moment I can't believe you [TS]

00:46:03   would even think that I would say [TS]

00:46:04   something it's like you don't even know [TS]

00:46:06   it [TS]

00:46:06   of course I'm not surprised didn't do it [TS]

00:46:08   because you believe that would have been [TS]

00:46:10   an awesome opportunity [TS]

00:46:11   that's like the kind of dream moment [TS]

00:46:13   that like some people wait their whole [TS]

00:46:15   life for to be able to say just tap him [TS]

00:46:18   on the shoulder are you could have had [TS]

00:46:19   so much fun i would not have had fun [TS]

00:46:21   that is not have been fun [TS]

00:46:23   that's why I didn't do it I swear gray [TS]

00:46:27   like I know most hello Internet [TS]

00:46:28   listeners like have a real appreciation [TS]

00:46:30   for your mindset and many of them are [TS]

00:46:32   like you but there must be hello [TS]

00:46:34   Internet listeners out there right now [TS]

00:46:35   who are like screaming at your missed [TS]

00:46:37   opportunity not a missed opportunity [TS]

00:46:39   because an opportunity taken an [TS]

00:46:41   opportunity to have normal elevator [TS]

00:46:43   rides for the rest of my time at that [TS]

00:46:45   building era they were super weird that [TS]

00:46:48   he would have a pretty good just [TS]

00:46:51   attempting to swing and then go ahead [TS]

00:46:53   haha wow yeah that's a plus way to [TS]

00:46:59   handle that situation just have a [TS]

00:47:01   strange man on the shoulder wink and [TS]

00:47:03   saying that thing perfect yeah that's [TS]

00:47:05   exactly what i do is obviously he [TS]

00:47:07   probably doesn't know what you look like [TS]

00:47:08   so i know you wouldn't do it and you [TS]

00:47:10   didn't do it and I get that but if you [TS]

00:47:12   were going to do a little and try and [TS]

00:47:14   like make it a cool moment what could [TS]

00:47:16   you have said that would have made him [TS]

00:47:17   like go [TS]

00:47:18   cgpgrey like okay are you enjoying the [TS]

00:47:22   show [TS]

00:47:22   I think that's what i would say that [TS]

00:47:24   would have worked it would have worked [TS]

00:47:25   that's not going to work [TS]

00:47:27   not now not ever it would have been code [TS]

00:47:32   so great i did mention that i am just [TS]

00:47:35   back from America [TS]

00:47:36   I was there for two weeks blue and [TS]

00:47:38   obviously it's been a big two weeks in [TS]

00:47:40   the united states and i have to say how [TS]

00:47:42   glad I am that I got to be there [TS]

00:47:44   oh yeah because seriously like super [TS]

00:47:48   historic one of the great contest of all [TS]

00:47:50   time' know everybody is happy without [TS]

00:47:52   finished and not every it wasn't one by [TS]

00:47:54   whoever I wanted to win but game 7 of [TS]

00:47:57   the world series was absolutely [TS]

00:48:00   incredible to do follow at all chicago [TS]

00:48:03   cubs cleveland indians it was amazing [TS]

00:48:07   no I don't even know what you're talking [TS]

00:48:08   about you know the World Series is the [TS]

00:48:11   baseball right yeah it's not the father [TS]

00:48:14   of the baseball [TS]

00:48:15   ok it's the super bowl of baseball yeah [TS]

00:48:17   and it was between the Cleveland Indians [TS]

00:48:18   and the Chicago Cubs ok but the totems [TS]

00:48:21   that had been the longest time since [TS]

00:48:23   they wanna I think Cleveland was like 60 [TS]

00:48:25   or 70 years and the Chicago Cubs had one [TS]

00:48:28   of over a hundred years and there's lots [TS]

00:48:30   of backstories to it this is great curse [TS]

00:48:32   that was stopping and winning at home [TS]

00:48:34   they look like they blow this one as [TS]

00:48:36   well there were 31 down in the series [TS]

00:48:38   they came back to make it 3 all so i [TS]

00:48:41   went to game 7 and then they went up in [TS]

00:48:43   game 7 and had absolutely in the bag and [TS]

00:48:46   somehow they managed to completely blow [TS]

00:48:48   and completely lost their laid so it [TS]

00:48:50   went to extra innings and then they [TS]

00:48:52   finally won in extra innings in the 10th [TS]

00:48:54   innings like this game 7 of the World [TS]

00:48:56   Series I think was a great advertisement [TS]

00:48:57   for baseball [TS]

00:48:59   like if you didn't enjoy that game than [TS]

00:49:00   you you are incapable of enjoying [TS]

00:49:01   baseball because it was such a great [TS]

00:49:03   game is so thrilling had stories within [TS]

00:49:06   stories there was so much going on i [TS]

00:49:08   loved it [TS]

00:49:09   seriously i was on such a high at the [TS]

00:49:11   end of that game and I felt so good [TS]

00:49:13   about the world and i had the biggest [TS]

00:49:14   smile on my face watching it at the end [TS]

00:49:16   and were you in the actual stadium for [TS]

00:49:19   the superbowl not the super portside the [TS]

00:49:22   world cup now that it's shall cut now [TS]

00:49:25   look series i like it was okay was in [TS]

00:49:28   Cleveland I was in California you were [TS]

00:49:31   describing it as though you were there [TS]

00:49:32   well I felt like I was there but like [TS]

00:49:34   you're saying you were so glad that you [TS]

00:49:36   were in America SI mentally presume that [TS]

00:49:38   you were at this place but you were [TS]

00:49:39   watching it on TV so you could have just [TS]

00:49:41   as well but in the UK [TS]

00:49:42   yeah but it's different when you're [TS]

00:49:43   watching it in america is the different [TS]

00:49:45   it's a bit different it's a good [TS]

00:49:46   different well i wasn't i was in America [TS]

00:49:48   for the election and that felt different [TS]

00:49:49   to and I could have been watching that [TS]

00:49:51   from anywhere and i did mention to you [TS]

00:49:53   in the last episode like I didn't know [TS]

00:49:54   what I was going to do for the election [TS]

00:49:56   day in the election night lose so i [TS]

00:49:57   thought i'd share bit of my election [TS]

00:49:58   experience with you know what is it like [TS]

00:50:00   have no idea [TS]

00:50:01   well kind of make a couple of [TS]

00:50:03   observations about election time in [TS]

00:50:06   America please go ahead you have the [TS]

00:50:07   floor i was in berkeley jose california [TS]

00:50:09   the whole time so no it's different [TS]

00:50:11   everywhere you go [TS]

00:50:12   but there's a couple of things that [TS]

00:50:14   struck me as strange blue one of them [TS]

00:50:18   was obviously concurrent with all the [TS]

00:50:21   elections that are going on for [TS]

00:50:22   President and Senate and all this sort [TS]

00:50:24   of stuff they have these propositions [TS]

00:50:27   hmm no changes to local laws in the [TS]

00:50:30   state and stuff like that [TS]

00:50:31   Lou you know prop 53 or prop 28 you know [TS]

00:50:34   we're going to legalize mowing your lawn [TS]

00:50:36   on a thursday whatever it is but the [TS]

00:50:38   thing is obviously they have at some [TS]

00:50:40   point and obviously it's on the balance [TS]

00:50:42   i presume loop at the way it's [TS]

00:50:44   advertised on TV and there's like [TS]

00:50:45   saturation advertising for or against [TS]

00:50:48   these propositions Lou the ads never [TS]

00:50:50   tell you what the propositions are and [TS]

00:50:53   you get these really a motive ads saying [TS]

00:50:55   vote yes to prop 43 otherwise all your [TS]

00:50:59   kids are gonna die and the world is [TS]

00:51:00   gonna be terrible right or vote no to [TS]

00:51:02   prop 33 because everyone who's right [TS]

00:51:06   thinking would you know and they really [TS]

00:51:07   haven't you heard on voting yes or no to [TS]

00:51:09   these propositions and they tell you the [TS]

00:51:11   numbers and I never tell you what they [TS]

00:51:12   are so if you weren't like really into [TS]

00:51:16   politics are into the news or your [TS]

00:51:18   visitor like me you have no idea what [TS]

00:51:20   they're telling you to do and i found a [TS]

00:51:21   really confusing experience this is one [TS]

00:51:24   of those moments where I find you very [TS]

00:51:26   charming Brady because I feel like [TS]

00:51:27   you're coming at this from the angle [TS]

00:51:30   that the purpose of these things is to [TS]

00:51:32   inform you as opposed to their real [TS]

00:51:34   purpose which is simply to just plant an [TS]

00:51:37   association in your mind I would almost [TS]

00:51:41   guarantee that an advertisement that [TS]

00:51:43   doesn't tell you the details of the [TS]

00:51:45   proposition it just simply tells you [TS]

00:51:47   vote Yes or vote no is more effective [TS]

00:51:49   than advertisement that explains to you [TS]

00:51:51   what the proposition is and then why you [TS]

00:51:53   should vote Yes or vote now I feel like [TS]

00:51:55   I'd be shocked if that isn't true just [TS]

00:51:57   like vote no on 47 [TS]

00:51:59   I bet that's hugely effective and [TS]

00:52:01   whoever is funding the campaign's behind [TS]

00:52:02   the propositions wants to win [TS]

00:52:04   I feel like I would remember whether it [TS]

00:52:06   was good or bad though because of I have [TS]

00:52:08   no context i'd walk into the both and [TS]

00:52:10   I'd be r-47 I've seen lots of ads about [TS]

00:52:12   that is that the one I'm supposed to [TS]

00:52:13   vote yes too or no I don't even know is [TS]

00:52:16   that the good with the bad one and I [TS]

00:52:17   wouldn't recognize it from the ads [TS]

00:52:19   because I don't associate the ads with [TS]

00:52:20   the content of the proposition because i [TS]

00:52:23   don't know what the proposition says I'm [TS]

00:52:25   supposed to vote against the medicine 10 [TS]

00:52:27   i'm supposed to vote for the death [TS]

00:52:29   penalty I get that but just calling them [TS]

00:52:31   by their numbers [TS]

00:52:32   just baffling but have you ever seen the [TS]

00:52:34   way these things are actually worded [TS]

00:52:36   like people sometimes post images of the [TS]

00:52:39   propositions and they're almost always [TS]

00:52:42   these crazy triple negative sentences [TS]

00:52:46   are ready like you even if you're trying [TS]

00:52:47   to read it and again i don't think it's [TS]

00:52:50   an accident you can write a clear [TS]

00:52:51   sentence but these things are written [TS]

00:52:52   intentionally opaque and difficult to [TS]

00:52:55   understand ways [TS]

00:52:56   yeah and then I think combine that with [TS]

00:52:57   an enormous amount of advertising [TS]

00:52:59   usually on one side was like great most [TS]

00:53:02   people if they try to read it there [TS]

00:53:03   confused and then they don't vote and [TS]

00:53:05   enough people just have like an [TS]

00:53:07   association of like oh this is bad it's [TS]

00:53:10   written in ambiguous way so that however [TS]

00:53:11   they read it they feel like oh yes the [TS]

00:53:13   bad outcome is the one that I don't want [TS]

00:53:15   and then they just vote yes or no [TS]

00:53:16   because they were told to do that and [TS]

00:53:18   then the thing passes era that's [TS]

00:53:20   American democracy [TS]

00:53:22   another thing that I found very strange [TS]

00:53:24   about election day in the u.s. like I [TS]

00:53:26   remember what the proper name for is in [TS]

00:53:28   the UK but on election day in the UK the [TS]

00:53:32   media is not allowed to talk about the [TS]

00:53:35   election pretty much there are really [TS]

00:53:37   strict rules yeah they're allowed to say [TS]

00:53:39   that the election is happening Lulu and [TS]

00:53:41   they're allowed to show footage of the [TS]

00:53:43   leaders of the party casting their vote [TS]

00:53:45   but there's not allowed to be political [TS]

00:53:47   coverage to the point where it's strange [TS]

00:53:49   blue like you watch the news or listen [TS]

00:53:51   to the radio in the UK on election day [TS]

00:53:53   and it's like the most boring used a [TS]

00:53:55   volt I'm loose and then as soon as the [TS]

00:53:57   polls close across the country [TS]

00:53:59   the gloves are off and the exit polls [TS]

00:54:00   come out and it's like the usual [TS]

00:54:02   wall-to-wall blanket coverage blue but [TS]

00:54:04   this is not the case in the u.s. know [TS]

00:54:06   which in itself is strange [TS]

00:54:08   yes that's the thing that makes it [TS]

00:54:09   doubly strange is if you're in [TS]

00:54:12   California the polls have closed across [TS]

00:54:15   the East Coast and we're already seeing [TS]

00:54:18   results and like I was watching CNN are [TS]

00:54:20   starting to see results coming through [TS]

00:54:22   and then I went off walking summer which [TS]

00:54:24   I'll talk about in a second and I was [TS]

00:54:26   walking past polling boats in California [TS]

00:54:30   where people were walking in and casting [TS]

00:54:32   their votes i was watching them vote and [TS]

00:54:34   yet they like me must have been knowing [TS]

00:54:37   half the results were coming out it was [TS]

00:54:39   already clear which way things are [TS]

00:54:40   starting to Lane like I know in the case [TS]

00:54:42   of California doesn't make a big [TS]

00:54:44   difference because of the nature of Paul [TS]

00:54:45   Dixon California but still I still find [TS]

00:54:48   it strange that i could be listening and [TS]

00:54:50   watching people basically saying this is [TS]

00:54:52   looking like who's gonna win [TS]

00:54:53   Lou and there are other people who still [TS]

00:54:55   walking into the booth to cast their [TS]

00:54:57   votes [TS]

00:54:58   it was like that again it seems crazy to [TS]

00:55:00   me [TS]

00:55:01   I just because I'm not used to I guess [TS]

00:55:02   this is the point at which i will remind [TS]

00:55:04   you about the existence of hawaii for [TS]

00:55:07   hawaii going out there in the pacific [TS]

00:55:10   ocean in the middle of nowhere [TS]

00:55:12   not many electoral votes to begin with [TS]

00:55:14   but also because of this time zone thing [TS]

00:55:17   it's like well I mean like obviously [TS]

00:55:19   there are not a huge number of people [TS]

00:55:20   living in Hawaii compared to the rest of [TS]

00:55:22   America so it's like statistically the [TS]

00:55:24   election should essentially be decided [TS]

00:55:26   by the time ye rolls around and also [TS]

00:55:29   Hawaii votes in a particular way almost [TS]

00:55:30   all the time like I understand [TS]

00:55:32   conceptually why this would happen but [TS]

00:55:35   I'm i think this whole system is crazy [TS]

00:55:38   like I really feel like there's this [TS]

00:55:39   weird rush like people want the news [TS]

00:55:43   right now and since America is so big [TS]

00:55:45   you can have the new start to roll out [TS]

00:55:47   over time like if I was Emperor here i [TS]

00:55:49   would make it the rule like hey no [TS]

00:55:52   reporting until the polls close in [TS]

00:55:54   hawaii i don't care you gotta keep a lid [TS]

00:55:56   on it people [TS]

00:55:56   yeah good luck with that like if it's a [TS]

00:55:58   weird news day I think that's a small [TS]

00:56:00   price to pay for everybody feeling more [TS]

00:56:05   like their vote matters right [TS]

00:56:08   yeah but I found that strange so I ended [TS]

00:56:12   up because I didn't want to sit in and [TS]

00:56:14   watch CNN or not because I thought that [TS]

00:56:15   would be a bit set and I thought I mean [TS]

00:56:17   America I'm you know for an election it [TS]

00:56:19   might never happen again let's make [TS]

00:56:20   something other a lot of teams actually [TS]

00:56:22   invited me to parties [TS]

00:56:23   oh yeah sorry if I didn't reply people i [TS]

00:56:25   was busy but I appreciate the invite but [TS]

00:56:28   what I did was I went I would accept an [TS]

00:56:30   invitation from a friend to go to like [TS]

00:56:33   an election watching party at a local [TS]

00:56:36   theater in Berkeley is that you know an [TS]

00:56:39   amateur theatre company i had MSNBC on a [TS]

00:56:42   big screen and where people normally sit [TS]

00:56:44   to watch the play [TS]

00:56:45   everyone was just sitting watching and I [TS]

00:56:47   was like selling drinks and pizza and [TS]

00:56:49   stuff like that and it was like a big [TS]

00:56:50   get together and it was actually quite a [TS]

00:56:52   nice thing that's interesting [TS]

00:56:54   yeah and i was told it would be quite [TS]

00:56:55   nice and had been nice and other years i [TS]

00:56:57   guess the only problem is [TS]

00:56:59   I don't want to get all political but [TS]

00:57:00   obviously an amateur theatre group in [TS]

00:57:02   berkeley going to haha left-leaning go [TS]

00:57:08   what Democrats supporting and it seems [TS]

00:57:10   very unlikely to me [TS]

00:57:12   yeah and obviously as it became clear [TS]

00:57:14   that the Republican candidate was going [TS]

00:57:16   to be the one to win there was actually [TS]

00:57:18   quite a lot of emotion and there were [TS]

00:57:19   lots of crying people actually got a [TS]

00:57:21   little lesson at one point will kind of [TS]

00:57:24   left eventually i like it i like the [TS]

00:57:27   idea of you slowly walking to the door [TS]

00:57:29   as with this evening for grabs its [TS]

00:57:31   spirit miss but Mike's build the sadness [TS]

00:57:35   there might still be at the supporters [TS]

00:57:37   of the democratic candidate there was [TS]

00:57:39   one funny moment and that was I was [TS]

00:57:42   nearly out of phone charged balloon so I [TS]

00:57:44   borrowed someone's charger and I went [TS]

00:57:46   out to the foyer of the theater and [TS]

00:57:47   found a plug and i plugged in blue and [TS]

00:57:50   next to me was another powerpoint with a [TS]

00:57:52   phone charged already there and this guy [TS]

00:57:54   walked up to her and said I does anyone [TS]

00:57:56   mind here if I use this charger and one [TS]

00:57:59   of the people in the lobby said I think [TS]

00:58:01   you can i think thats Brady's and I'm [TS]

00:58:04   like no I'm here with this one and then [TS]

00:58:07   I realized they were talking about [TS]

00:58:08   another Brady and I said is there [TS]

00:58:10   another Brady here and I said yeah I [TS]

00:58:13   said we're we're and they said our she's [TS]

00:58:15   just over there it was a lady Brady lady [TS]

00:58:19   bringing a lady Brady is an art that [TS]

00:58:21   woman over there the check and she came [TS]

00:58:23   over as it is your name Brady she said [TS]

00:58:25   yes haha took pictures were there and [TS]

00:58:27   everything it was great [TS]

00:58:28   I so rarely the people called brady and [TS]

00:58:31   I've definitely never met a lady Brady [TS]

00:58:33   before [TS]

00:58:33   wow that was brilliant i feel like she [TS]

00:58:36   has to always be called lady bree like [TS]

00:58:38   that's fantastic [TS]

00:58:39   ya ali Brady i tweeted a picture with [TS]

00:58:42   their i think i missed it i didn't [TS]

00:58:44   expect you say oh yeah the alert came up [TS]

00:58:46   like I get on there that's when you send [TS]

00:58:47   a tweet Brady I've got a notification [TS]

00:58:50   that all my devices for your tweets yeah [TS]

00:58:52   and I certainly don't go through the [TS]

00:58:55   equivalent of manic depressive faces on [TS]

00:58:57   Twitter like desert incredible [TS]

00:58:59   overabundance desert is exactly what the [TS]

00:59:02   swamp man glad I think I already think [TS]

00:59:03   that he's lady ready hang on [TS]

00:59:05   look at that lady brady and [TS]

00:59:07   in trademark Brady style you're pointing [TS]

00:59:09   at her because I yeah how do you feel [TS]

00:59:16   about there being a lady Brady I think [TS]

00:59:18   it's pretty it now loved it it made my I [TS]

00:59:24   think this is the possibility to catch [TS]

00:59:26   on i think any teams out there expecting [TS]

00:59:30   a girl you know but reading on the list [TS]

00:59:33   boy [TS]

00:59:34   yes or a boy i'm sorry i'm cool with I [TS]

00:59:36   didn't mean to raise your hackles there [TS]

00:59:38   i don't mind that it's like both but I [TS]

00:59:40   don't to become just a woman's name [TS]

00:59:42   I'd like it to remain both you know this [TS]

00:59:44   is how this goes though right there's [TS]

00:59:45   actual demographic information on this [TS]

00:59:47   so this woman is the tipping point if [TS]

00:59:49   not the tipping point she's the tip of [TS]

00:59:50   the iceberg [TS]

00:59:51   I guess maybe that's the thing she is [TS]

00:59:53   that the progenitor yeah i've written a [TS]

00:59:55   couple places that there's real [TS]

00:59:56   demographic data to support this that [TS]

00:59:58   this is a really common [TS]

00:59:58   this is a really common [TS]

01:00:00   phenomenon that essentially the names [TS]

01:00:03   only ever go one way that like a male [TS]

01:00:06   name will become a gender ambiguous name [TS]

01:00:10   like Leslie right and then it [TS]

01:00:12   transitions over time to end up being [TS]

01:00:14   almost exclusively female named famously [TS]

01:00:16   like Jane what I know would never come [TS]

01:00:18   back it would never come back to the man [TS]

01:00:20   said that yeah that essentially this is [TS]

01:00:21   a one-way street only for whatever [TS]

01:00:25   reason right there [TS]

01:00:25   oh great yeah lady ready somehow seems a [TS]

01:00:29   little bit more sinister now this is why [TS]

01:00:31   i was asking right is is like you're [TS]

01:00:33   going to be in the retirement home and [TS]

01:00:35   people are going to be more like they'll [TS]

01:00:37   be like oh a man Brady i mentioned [TS]

01:00:40   Leslie because one of the places where i [TS]

01:00:42   grew up we had a neighbor who was an old [TS]

01:00:45   guy called Leslie and I was just always [TS]

01:00:46   wear like oh he was on the end of that [TS]

01:00:48   demographic shift that leslie nielsen [TS]

01:00:50   like you [TS]

01:00:51   yeah he's it seemed totally fine to have [TS]

01:00:53   an older guy with the name leslie but it [TS]

01:00:54   would seem very strange to have a like a [TS]

01:00:56   little kid with the name leslie and so [TS]

01:00:58   this is where you're going to be Brady [TS]

01:00:59   in the retirement home [TS]

01:01:00   oh yes look at this charming man from [TS]

01:01:02   another time with the name Brady lets [TS]

01:01:04   you put your future [TS]

01:01:05   uh I hadn't thought about that that's [TS]

01:01:08   changed everything [TS]

01:01:10   she seems a little bit even now named [TS]

01:01:14   stealing now if that's what happens [TS]

01:01:18   that's what happens you can't control [TS]

01:01:20   her breathing is going to happen I never [TS]

01:01:21   liked my name anyway so i have no great [TS]

01:01:24   attachment to her i told you i always [TS]

01:01:25   want to change my name and I was growing [TS]

01:01:27   up did you want to tell the people what [TS]

01:01:28   you want to change your name to yeah I [TS]

01:01:30   wanted to be called Jason Jason always [TS]

01:01:32   said when I was enough i'm going to [TS]

01:01:33   change my name to Jason because I [TS]

01:01:34   thought it was such a cool name [TS]

01:01:36   mhm but by the time I turned 18 it was [TS]

01:01:38   that on my driver's license and stuff so [TS]

01:01:39   I thought our yeah stick with brady [TS]

01:01:41   bunch of paperwork bunch of hassle [TS]

01:01:44   who wants to do that and I hate to say [TS]

01:01:47   it but like you seem like Brady to me i [TS]

01:01:49   can't imagine you as Jason I will always [TS]

01:01:51   say if you ever want to change your name [TS]

01:01:53   to Jason or Leslie or whatever I will [TS]

01:01:56   support you one hundred percent of the [TS]

01:01:57   time and i will call you Jason Leslie [TS]

01:01:59   from now on but you seem like breeding [TS]

01:02:02   me [TS]

01:02:03   yeah I think that's pretty much your [TS]

01:02:05   hand [TS]

01:02:06   I think I've imprinted on the name so i [TS]

01:02:09   quite enjoyed that aspect of the [TS]

01:02:11   mountain but then that was it that was [TS]

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01:03:55   Squarespace make it beautiful what did [TS]

01:03:59   you do for the election to do sleep [TS]

01:04:00   through or did you wake up to the news [TS]

01:04:02   how'd your lecture not player i just [TS]

01:04:03   went to bed right here yet you seem [TS]

01:04:06   surprised [TS]

01:04:07   I don't like to stay up late i'm not [TS]

01:04:08   gonna stay up for new years if I can [TS]

01:04:10   possibly avoid it but sometimes social [TS]

01:04:11   engagements require me to stay after [TS]

01:04:13   news [TS]

01:04:13   alright it's looking at you [TS]

01:04:16   so I just went to bed and then I usually [TS]

01:04:21   have off line mornings like I try very [TS]

01:04:24   hard never to go on the internet until [TS]

01:04:26   you know at least lunchtime which is [TS]

01:04:29   very effective for me but I figured like [TS]

01:04:31   I wake up in the morning this will just [TS]

01:04:32   be perfect because every time i've woken [TS]

01:04:35   up in the morning when there's an [TS]

01:04:36   American election in the UK it's like a [TS]

01:04:38   great with all done I just went to bed [TS]

01:04:39   there's nothing to even look at there [TS]

01:04:40   was no news i wake up now I just get to [TS]

01:04:42   find out the answer and so that was my [TS]

01:04:44   experience this time around right now [TS]

01:04:46   since the election anyone who follows [TS]

01:04:50   you on twitter [TS]

01:04:51   mmm can't help but have noticed and i [TS]

01:04:53   certainly noticed that you've been a [TS]

01:04:56   right grumpy ass you haven't been [TS]

01:04:59   yourself only want to talk about this [TS]

01:05:02   what's been up man but see i think i [TS]

01:05:04   have been entirely myself I think this [TS]

01:05:07   behavior is not surprising [TS]

01:05:09   no such an emotional reaction to an [TS]

01:05:12   issue like too much emotion new should [TS]

01:05:15   be typical ok so i guess the thing that [TS]

01:05:18   i found just incredibly unbelievable as [TS]

01:05:22   the morning went on is like I woke up [TS]

01:05:23   and I was like okay that's the news but [TS]

01:05:25   then it became clear that the thing that [TS]

01:05:29   I thought would never happen again in my [TS]

01:05:32   lifetime was going to happen which was [TS]

01:05:35   that the winner of the popular vote was [TS]

01:05:38   going to lose the electoral college and [TS]

01:05:41   I just thought yeah I cannot I cannot [TS]

01:05:45   believe that this is going to happen [TS]

01:05:48   again in my lifetime if you look at the [TS]

01:05:50   actual dates it's like a couple of times [TS]

01:05:52   in the eighteen hundreds and then 2,000 [TS]

01:05:54   in the 2,000 cases even like a [TS]

01:05:57   complicated case with the supreme court [TS]

01:05:58   gets involved like you know it's like a [TS]

01:05:59   standard case and so that like how i [TS]

01:06:01   live the rest of my life where whoever [TS]

01:06:04   wins the popular vote almost certainly [TS]

01:06:05   win the presidency as well like we won't [TS]

01:06:07   end up in this bizarro situation that [TS]

01:06:09   the electoral college can bring about [TS]

01:06:11   but now here we are again by my count [TS]

01:06:14   it's the fourth time this has happened [TS]

01:06:16   and I was just like I could not deal [TS]

01:06:19   with that [TS]

01:06:19   I just the thing is pretty it's like I [TS]

01:06:23   don't know if you're aware but I have a [TS]

01:06:25   thing about elections [TS]

01:06:27   I know you like him tonight you [TS]

01:06:29   interested in them ok but again i don't [TS]

01:06:31   find elections interesting i don't find [TS]

01:06:32   election campaigns interesting for the [TS]

01:06:34   most part I don't find the particulars [TS]

01:06:36   of politics interesting for the most [TS]

01:06:38   part i always had this feeling like if [TS]

01:06:41   we can't even get the most basic parts [TS]

01:06:45   right ish i feel like i don't even [TS]

01:06:48   understand what we're talking about here [TS]

01:06:50   and so this was just a case of like I [TS]

01:06:52   cannot believe I am facing another one [TS]

01:06:55   of these situations in the electoral [TS]

01:06:56   college in my life so that threw me [TS]

01:06:58   quite off kilter as I was like a crazy [TS]

01:07:01   person refreshing the votes on the New [TS]

01:07:03   York Times page for watching the count [TS]

01:07:05   for the popular vote command like I'm [TS]

01:07:06   totally fine with understanding like the [TS]

01:07:09   way the elections run like when people [TS]

01:07:10   run because the Electoral College is [TS]

01:07:12   that the way it is like I understand all [TS]

01:07:14   this I'm totally fine with this but it's [TS]

01:07:15   just like oh my god here we go again [TS]

01:07:16   can't believe it's happening so I [TS]

01:07:19   remember your original Electoral College [TS]

01:07:21   video I haven't watched it for a long [TS]

01:07:23   time but I army might I haven't watched [TS]

01:07:25   it for a long time but if five years ago [TS]

01:07:28   i did watch your your new one that you [TS]

01:07:31   made and they're like a pharmacist video [TS]

01:07:33   i have watched it was our was around [TS]

01:07:36   here's the thing that people should [TS]

01:07:38   understand like i did not think that was [TS]

01:07:39   necessarily a good video that was just [TS]

01:07:41   one of these things of like this thing [TS]

01:07:44   is on my mind and I will go totally [TS]

01:07:48   insane if I don't just write something [TS]

01:07:52   and produce it and animated and put it [TS]

01:07:54   up right it was like I will go crazy if [TS]

01:07:57   i don't do this so great [TS]

01:07:58   all that aside that I do want to just [TS]

01:08:00   get a little bit of a total college [TS]

01:08:02   views from here and I know I'm kind of [TS]

01:08:04   the guy who's brought a knife to a [TS]

01:08:05   gunfight here because you are quite [TS]

01:08:07   knowledgeable on the issue of the [TS]

01:08:09   electoral college I would say I'm not [TS]

01:08:11   but I kind of know how it works [TS]

01:08:14   em and i am yet to be persuaded that [TS]

01:08:19   it's the worst thing in the world I [TS]

01:08:21   would say that I am persuadable both [TS]

01:08:24   ways because i do not believe at the [TS]

01:08:27   moment that it is necessarily the case [TS]

01:08:30   that the person who wins the popular [TS]

01:08:32   vote who was voted for by the most [TS]

01:08:35   people should necessarily win the [TS]

01:08:37   presidency [TS]

01:08:38   ok so lay out your reasoning for that [TS]

01:08:41   ok it's gonna come out a bit muddled ok [TS]

01:08:45   and it may involve analogy it may not it [TS]

01:08:48   may involve things that are wrong [TS]

01:08:50   it may not edit mode for bigger it so it [TS]

01:08:52   may not look but can I start with an [TS]

01:08:54   analogy please go ahead [TS]

01:08:56   let's go back to the world series of [TS]

01:08:58   baseball ok which is a best-of-seven [TS]

01:09:01   competition now you can win the world [TS]

01:09:04   series by winning four games of baseball [TS]

01:09:07   by one run 20 right and the other three [TS]

01:09:11   games you could lose a hundred runs 20 [TS]

01:09:15   so overall you could concede 300 runs [TS]

01:09:20   and score for and still be the [TS]

01:09:24   legitimate winner of the World Series [TS]

01:09:25   blue and some people say gosh if you can [TS]

01:09:28   see the 300 runs in three games of [TS]

01:09:30   baseball you probably not a very good [TS]

01:09:31   baseball team but I can make the [TS]

01:09:33   argument that in fact that could be [TS]

01:09:35   quite a legitimate think and if you're [TS]

01:09:37   good enough to win four games and the [TS]

01:09:39   other team was only good enough to win [TS]

01:09:40   three games they could have been [TS]

01:09:41   different conditions that favor the [TS]

01:09:43   other team could have been home games [TS]

01:09:44   and away games that i can make an [TS]

01:09:47   argument although i've used such an [TS]

01:09:48   exaggerated case you can win the World [TS]

01:09:50   Series quite legitimately and by far and [TS]

01:09:53   away not score the most runs and i'll be [TS]

01:09:55   very comfortable with who won [TS]

01:09:57   well I think the same could be true of [TS]

01:10:01   elections i think if you have decided [TS]

01:10:05   for whatever reasons and we can get into [TS]

01:10:07   federal stuff and state stuff if you [TS]

01:10:08   want but for whatever reasons you have a [TS]

01:10:12   portion waiting two different people's [TS]

01:10:15   votes i can think of quite legitimate [TS]

01:10:17   reasons to a portion more votes to [TS]

01:10:19   certain groups than others who you could [TS]

01:10:22   also argue against it and I could be [TS]

01:10:24   persuaded otherwise but I could say you [TS]

01:10:26   know the president is not just the [TS]

01:10:27   president of like people they're also [TS]

01:10:30   president of vast tracts of land and [TS]

01:10:32   they are responsible for animals and [TS]

01:10:34   mountains and rivers and small villages [TS]

01:10:37   and things like that and you could say [TS]

01:10:40   well hang on maybe we need to do [TS]

01:10:41   something to protect certain groups are [TS]

01:10:43   in power certain groups more and not [TS]

01:10:45   of all the power to the dense huge [TS]

01:10:47   cities full of people who haven't come [TS]

01:10:50   up with good arguments work so i can see [TS]

01:10:52   easily envisaged a system whereby your [TS]

01:10:56   apportioning waiting two votes em in [TS]

01:10:59   fact I saw a lot of people make an [TS]

01:11:00   argument during break sir and I'm not [TS]

01:11:02   saying necessarily support this argument [TS]

01:11:03   but I saw the argument made that how [TS]

01:11:06   come someone who's 90 years old and [TS]

01:11:09   about to die had their bricks and vote [TS]

01:11:11   count for the same amount of someone who [TS]

01:11:13   was 18 and has to live with only [TS]

01:11:14   questions for you know 60 years you can [TS]

01:11:17   argue that both ways but it's still [TS]

01:11:19   there is an argument for portioning [TS]

01:11:21   weight and it feels to me like for [TS]

01:11:23   whatever reasons the electoral college [TS]

01:11:25   has a portion to wait two votes and we [TS]

01:11:29   can have a discussion about whether or [TS]

01:11:30   not they should have done that or not [TS]

01:11:31   but at the moment they have done [TS]

01:11:33   look and if that's the system that [TS]

01:11:35   everyone has got I'm cool with it [TS]

01:11:38   no it just works that way the system [TS]

01:11:40   doesn't give every one person to vote [TS]

01:11:42   the same pair as the others and just [TS]

01:11:44   like in the World Series some runs count [TS]

01:11:46   for more than others those one run [TS]

01:11:48   scored and those one more victories [TS]

01:11:50   counted for a lot more than all that [TS]

01:11:52   face two runs that scored in the three [TS]

01:11:53   games you lost who so I can kind of be [TS]

01:11:58   persuaded over the other argument you [TS]

01:11:59   made about the electoral college in your [TS]

01:12:01   most recent video was to do with the [TS]

01:12:02   actual voters and faithless voters and [TS]

01:12:05   things like that [TS]

01:12:06   that's a kind of another argument I [TS]

01:12:08   think that's a bit of a red herring [TS]

01:12:09   myself that never has been an issue even [TS]

01:12:12   in the four cases where things have gone [TS]

01:12:14   against the popular vote the faithless [TS]

01:12:17   voters has never been a problem and I [TS]

01:12:18   can't imagine the country ever letting [TS]

01:12:20   it be a problem i think it would get [TS]

01:12:22   slapped down if someone changed the [TS]

01:12:25   result of the election by being a [TS]

01:12:26   faithless votes in the electoral college [TS]

01:12:28   and that they should probably fix the [TS]

01:12:30   role because it's just a bit messy and [TS]

01:12:32   antiquated but i think it's a red [TS]

01:12:34   herring in the debate about yes or no to [TS]

01:12:36   the electoral college I think the real [TS]

01:12:38   discussion to be had is where everyone's [TS]

01:12:40   of actually count the same that's where [TS]

01:12:42   I'm coming from [TS]

01:12:43   ok are you sitting down bringing yep i [TS]

01:12:47   agree with everything that you said I [TS]

01:12:49   even think that's a perfectly good [TS]

01:12:50   analogy [TS]

01:12:51   the thing about the electoral college [TS]

01:12:52   that is very hard to convey [TS]

01:12:57   even in the longer older videos that [TS]

01:12:59   I've done is like I will agree that the [TS]

01:13:02   electoral college in isolation is not [TS]

01:13:05   necessarily a problem [TS]

01:13:07   the thing that I originally was planning [TS]

01:13:09   to do this year for the election instead [TS]

01:13:12   of doing the rules for rulers video [TS]

01:13:14   which took it over was I kind of wanted [TS]

01:13:17   to do a here are all of the particular [TS]

01:13:21   problems in American democracy video [TS]

01:13:24   because my feeling is really like none [TS]

01:13:29   of them on their own are really deal [TS]

01:13:31   breakers but it's everything put [TS]

01:13:34   together ends up becoming a real problem [TS]

01:13:36   and I think the Electoral College is a [TS]

01:13:39   fantastic example of an interesting [TS]

01:13:43   different thing that the United States [TS]

01:13:45   does that's a layer on top of all of [TS]

01:13:50   these other layers that exists and that [TS]

01:13:53   I think ends up making things worse [TS]

01:13:57   like I mean it's almost like you could [TS]

01:13:59   have a very parliamentary system where [TS]

01:14:02   everybody elects their local [TS]

01:14:05   representatives and then the members of [TS]

01:14:07   parliament select the Prime Minister [TS]

01:14:10   stroke president and like that's a very [TS]

01:14:12   different kind of system and the idea of [TS]

01:14:16   the Electoral College is almost that [TS]

01:14:18   that people are extending electors to go [TS]

01:14:21   represents them and elect who the leader [TS]

01:14:25   of the executive is going to be like [TS]

01:14:27   it's actually not that far off of a [TS]

01:14:29   parliamentary system sort of but i don't [TS]

01:14:32   have necessarily have problems with [TS]

01:14:33   parliamentary systems but i think it's [TS]

01:14:35   it's a question of the way all of these [TS]

01:14:38   various things interlock with each other [TS]

01:14:41   which is part of what always makes it a [TS]

01:14:43   very difficult thing to talk about that [TS]

01:14:44   you're going down the red herring road [TS]

01:14:46   again they're gray when you start [TS]

01:14:47   talking like that like this antiquated [TS]

01:14:49   extra layer of abstraction where these [TS]

01:14:52   faceless people have to like rubber [TS]

01:14:55   stamp for the people chose I'd mean is [TS]

01:14:57   weird and unnecessary little bit like [TS]

01:15:00   saying how like you know this is almost [TS]

01:15:02   like a parliament maybe it was once like [TS]

01:15:03   that but that's clearly not what I has [TS]

01:15:05   been for a very long time [TS]

01:15:06   oh yeah i think when you start catching [TS]

01:15:08   it like that [TS]

01:15:09   and I think you're like stirring up the [TS]

01:15:11   wrong debate you know this is just some [TS]

01:15:13   anachronism some weird system that they [TS]

01:15:16   used to transfer what happens in the [TS]

01:15:18   election to some kind of formal process [TS]

01:15:21   for the president being appointed which [TS]

01:15:23   is stupid but I when you rile people up [TS]

01:15:26   with that I think it's a red herring and [TS]

01:15:28   so again I i agree i'm not actually [TS]

01:15:30   saying that is like a parliamentary [TS]

01:15:31   system understand like the structure is [TS]

01:15:33   vaguely like this same idea right and [TS]

01:15:35   there's nothing necessarily wrong with a [TS]

01:15:37   parliamentary system so there could be a [TS]

01:15:38   version of the electoral college that's [TS]

01:15:40   just totally fine and unremarkable and [TS]

01:15:42   boring but I'm just saying some of the [TS]

01:15:43   particulars of it are frustrating and I [TS]

01:15:46   mean I guess that the thing that we [TS]

01:15:47   should get out of the way we like very [TS]

01:15:50   clearly is you know it's so funny like [TS]

01:15:52   you make a video and it's always [TS]

01:15:55   interesting to see how people react to [TS]

01:15:58   the things that you say and like part of [TS]

01:16:01   my frustration which I thought I made [TS]

01:16:04   really clear was actually with some [TS]

01:16:07   friends I had some personal [TS]

01:16:09   conversations with who were wanting me [TS]

01:16:13   to make a video about how the election [TS]

01:16:17   result can be overturned with faithless [TS]

01:16:18   electors you know I ended up getting a [TS]

01:16:20   kind of inundation from a lot of people [TS]

01:16:22   that I know personally about this I kind [TS]

01:16:23   of feel you didn't make that video great [TS]

01:16:25   I feel that it was a very strong element [TS]

01:16:27   of i would say scaremongering little bit [TS]

01:16:31   sowing the seed into people's brain that [TS]

01:16:35   legitimate elections could be overturned [TS]

01:16:37   by renegades and you sort of said that [TS]

01:16:40   should never happen but I think you [TS]

01:16:42   differently so to say that it was a [TS]

01:16:43   possibility but maybe I watched through [TS]

01:16:46   the wrong prison I know you made other [TS]

01:16:47   points in the video but I came away from [TS]

01:16:49   that video thinking that you were [TS]

01:16:50   selling that Sade what I was trying to [TS]

01:16:52   say there is like the electoral college [TS]

01:16:55   has the option of this totally crazy [TS]

01:16:58   function now i agree with you that it is [TS]

01:17:02   incredibly unlikely that it is going to [TS]

01:17:05   occur [TS]

01:17:06   there's also believe it or not there is [TS]

01:17:08   a whole other extra crazy layer on top [TS]

01:17:10   of this which is fast just to walk [TS]

01:17:13   through the shockingly unlikely scenario [TS]

01:17:15   electoral college vote happens in [TS]

01:17:18   December let's say faithless electors [TS]

01:17:21   swing it and they choose a [TS]

01:17:22   different candidate when that happens in [TS]

01:17:26   January there was also an official part [TS]

01:17:29   of the process where Congress actually [TS]

01:17:30   certifies and counts the balance from [TS]

01:17:34   the electoral college but during that [TS]

01:17:35   stage any senator or representative is [TS]

01:17:38   allowed to object to the result and if [TS]

01:17:41   that occurs it starts getting really [TS]

01:17:43   foggy here because it hasn't happened [TS]

01:17:44   before there's a little bit of like what [TS]

01:17:46   exactly is the process but the probable [TS]

01:17:48   outcome is that the newly incoming [TS]

01:17:51   Congress then votes and decides on who [TS]

01:17:53   the president is going to be alright but [TS]

01:17:56   all of this i completely agree is very [TS]

01:18:00   unlikely to happen those two things here [TS]

01:18:02   like this to me seems like an obvious [TS]

01:18:04   thing right like you shouldn't have [TS]

01:18:07   systems where there's even a small [TS]

01:18:09   probability of a ridiculous thing [TS]

01:18:11   happening and I think like if you can't [TS]

01:18:14   close these loopholes you are [TS]

01:18:17   intentionally just waiting for trouble [TS]

01:18:20   and I think this election is a perfect [TS]

01:18:22   storm of potential trouble like if [TS]

01:18:24   anything crazy is ever going to happen [TS]

01:18:26   it's this election you're saying because [TS]

01:18:28   like such an unusual candidate wanna [TS]

01:18:30   that if any people are ever going to try [TS]

01:18:32   to invoke some of these weird loopholes [TS]

01:18:34   it might be this one [TS]

01:18:36   exactly this is the time if there's any [TS]

01:18:38   chance it's this time now as every [TS]

01:18:41   single day that goes on i think that [TS]

01:18:43   chance decreases i would say like it's [TS]

01:18:45   the highest it's ever been in American [TS]

01:18:47   history and I feel like I'm so against [TS]

01:18:49   this idea i'm against this even being a [TS]

01:18:51   thing that's possible and i find it [TS]

01:18:53   furious that people seem to be ok with [TS]

01:18:56   system was like add as a crazy thing [TS]

01:18:58   that can happen but it'll never happen [TS]

01:19:00   right but if you wait long enough crazy [TS]

01:19:01   things do happen and so you should try [TS]

01:19:04   to simplify and clarify the system and [TS]

01:19:07   so like I was just seeing a lot of [TS]

01:19:09   people like calling for faithless [TS]

01:19:12   electors and it's like yes this is [TS]

01:19:14   technically within the rules [TS]

01:19:17   it's kind of like in the next video [TS]

01:19:19   where I said like you know if the [TS]

01:19:20   government doesn't do brexit it's kind [TS]

01:19:23   of going against the idea of democracy [TS]

01:19:25   like I was trying to say this a similar [TS]

01:19:28   thing in this video of like this has [TS]

01:19:30   never happened and it totally shouldn't [TS]

01:19:33   happen [TS]

01:19:34   and I think my exact words were then [TS]

01:19:36   like but it's crazy to leave in place [TS]

01:19:38   for future elections a system that [TS]

01:19:42   benefits nobody writes something like [TS]

01:19:44   that [TS]

01:19:45   okay great i'm with you this is kind of [TS]

01:19:47   a possible way that that could have been [TS]

01:19:50   perceived though and maybe I perceive it [TS]

01:19:52   depending on what you tell me later on [TS]

01:19:54   he is using this doomsday scenario the [TS]

01:19:59   red herring as i call it but you know [TS]

01:20:00   something that is possible i feel that [TS]

01:20:02   maybe some people think you're using [TS]

01:20:04   this doomsday scenario to change the [TS]

01:20:07   other aspect of the electoral college is [TS]

01:20:09   like using that as the back door to [TS]

01:20:11   change the other component that gives [TS]

01:20:13   certain states more influence than other [TS]

01:20:14   states it's like saying I can't win that [TS]

01:20:17   argument so let me scare the bejesus out [TS]

01:20:19   of people with this other argument are [TS]

01:20:21   faithless selectors and results being [TS]

01:20:23   overturned and then once everyone says [TS]

01:20:25   on your right the Electoral College is [TS]

01:20:26   terrible [TS]

01:20:27   then you change the other stuff and [TS]

01:20:29   that's what I want to talk to you about [TS]

01:20:30   like the million-dollar question silver [TS]

01:20:33   bullet thing that I want to know from [TS]

01:20:34   you is do you think everyone's vote [TS]

01:20:37   should count the same for president [TS]

01:20:39   let's get in just one second I do just [TS]

01:20:40   want to address your previous point [TS]

01:20:42   because in a sense you're right because [TS]

01:20:44   so here's the thing the electoral [TS]

01:20:48   college has this function where the [TS]

01:20:51   person who wins the popular vote can [TS]

01:20:53   lose the election [TS]

01:20:55   yeah right and now when that happens it [TS]

01:20:59   ends up being the case that the people [TS]

01:21:01   whose candidate has just one like the [TS]

01:21:03   Electoral College is amazing [TS]

01:21:05   yeah i think this ends up becoming like [TS]

01:21:07   a moderate reading of the actual rules [TS]

01:21:10   and and I feel like rules mean anything [TS]

01:21:12   you have to have a kind of [TS]

01:21:13   fundamentalist reading of the rules and [TS]

01:21:16   so if the rules say that faithless [TS]

01:21:18   electors can overturn the results if [TS]

01:21:22   you're a-ok with the first half of the [TS]

01:21:25   list of rules that forms what the [TS]

01:21:26   Electoral College is you have to be [TS]

01:21:28   a-okay with the second half of what the [TS]

01:21:31   electoral college says as possible and [TS]

01:21:34   so I think each [TS]

01:21:37   of those two halves end up creating a [TS]

01:21:40   hole that is theoretically objectionable [TS]

01:21:44   to everybody and that's why I'm trying [TS]

01:21:46   to discuss it some people will be on the [TS]

01:21:48   side of the popular winner should win [TS]

01:21:51   the election and some people will say [TS]

01:21:53   the election should never be overturned [TS]

01:21:54   by bees electors like okay but that's [TS]

01:21:57   what it is and the relative arguments [TS]

01:22:01   about how likely one or the other are to [TS]

01:22:04   occur [TS]

01:22:04   I feel like all those are is discussions [TS]

01:22:07   of what happens to be the current [TS]

01:22:10   political system they're not discussions [TS]

01:22:13   of the system in general in the abstract [TS]

01:22:17   how does it actually work when you don't [TS]

01:22:20   have a team to be rooting for [TS]

01:22:22   that's the question that's like it's so [TS]

01:22:24   impossible to separate in people's minds [TS]

01:22:27   think about how this system works in [TS]

01:22:30   general if you didn't have a side would [TS]

01:22:34   you be okay with a system that allows [TS]

01:22:36   the person who gets fewer votes to win [TS]

01:22:40   and there are totally scenarios where [TS]

01:22:42   that would be acceptable but are you [TS]

01:22:43   also ok with a system that allows an [TS]

01:22:46   unknown council the people to overturn [TS]

01:22:48   that result like I just don't think [TS]

01:22:49   anybody can agree to both halves of [TS]

01:22:51   those alright I just think it's sort of [TS]

01:22:53   doing the same thing over again there [TS]

01:22:54   are two things going on here and I don't [TS]

01:22:56   think the two particularly related other [TS]

01:22:59   than being able to say there are two [TS]

01:23:00   things that might be wrong with it [TS]

01:23:02   I think the faithless selectors and the [TS]

01:23:04   nature of the strangers forming the [TS]

01:23:06   college and that is a whole separate [TS]

01:23:09   argument and is muddying the waters and [TS]

01:23:13   the more you clarified the more I feel [TS]

01:23:15   like you're muddying up here I I [TS]

01:23:17   understand what you said but I just [TS]

01:23:19   don't understand how its arguing though [TS]

01:23:20   because then it just seems to me like [TS]

01:23:22   you're picking the parts that you like [TS]

01:23:24   and ignoring the parts that you don't [TS]

01:23:25   and so then all i hear is I like the [TS]

01:23:28   system when it works in my favor I don't [TS]

01:23:30   like the system when it couldn't [TS]

01:23:31   possibly work in my favor but then it's [TS]

01:23:33   like okay well now we're not discussing [TS]

01:23:34   what a fair system is now we're just [TS]

01:23:36   discussing how you personally benefit [TS]

01:23:39   this time around and like that is [TS]

01:23:41   actually the reason that i was i was so [TS]

01:23:43   infuriated because I felt like a man [TS]

01:23:45   alone in the world on Wednesday saying [TS]

01:23:48   all this time around [TS]

01:23:49   is benefiting this time around no one [TS]

01:23:51   has ever benefited from faithless [TS]

01:23:53   electors people have benefited from the [TS]

01:23:57   confusion between winning the electoral [TS]

01:23:59   college and winning the popular vote [TS]

01:24:02   like that is an elephant in the room [TS]

01:24:03   that needs to be discussed but this [TS]

01:24:05   possibility of faithless elector yes [TS]

01:24:08   it's an issue yes it's it's there but [TS]

01:24:11   it's not the core of the argument it's [TS]

01:24:13   like a plane is crashing because the [TS]

01:24:16   engines have stopped working and you're [TS]

01:24:19   also saying as a little crack in the tip [TS]

01:24:20   of the wing that could also make the [TS]

01:24:22   plane crash [TS]

01:24:23   I'm saying let's do with the fact the [TS]

01:24:25   engines aren't working [TS]

01:24:26   can we learn this thing with or without [TS]

01:24:28   engines is there a way around this what [TS]

01:24:30   kind of engines do we need how do we [TS]

01:24:31   save the plane and you're here saying oh [TS]

01:24:34   yes but also there's a crack in the end [TS]

01:24:35   of the wing okay once the engine [TS]

01:24:37   situation is dealt with [TS]

01:24:38   let's have a look at the crack in the [TS]

01:24:40   wing because that's also a problem but [TS]

01:24:42   at the moment we should be talking about [TS]

01:24:43   the engines and I feel like the [TS]

01:24:45   disparity between the Electoral College [TS]

01:24:48   numbers and the popular vote is the [TS]

01:24:50   engines of the plane and you're spending [TS]

01:24:53   way too much time on the little crack in [TS]

01:24:54   the wing [TS]

01:24:55   I mean we're going to have to disagree [TS]

01:24:56   on on this point I just think it really [TS]

01:24:59   does matter and that otherwise you are [TS]

01:25:02   only wanting to accept the rules when [TS]

01:25:05   they work in your favor and you don't [TS]

01:25:06   want to accept the rules when they don't [TS]

01:25:07   work in your favor and that's why I was [TS]

01:25:09   really frustrated with everybody on [TS]

01:25:10   wednesday or whatever it was that the [TS]

01:25:12   election results came out because I I [TS]

01:25:15   felt like everybody just wanted things [TS]

01:25:18   to go their way and nobody cared about [TS]

01:25:20   the rules right if you were happy that [TS]

01:25:22   the candidate one you were totally happy [TS]

01:25:24   with the way the rules work if you [TS]

01:25:25   didn't like the candidate who won then [TS]

01:25:27   you were calling for faithless elector [TS]

01:25:28   to overthrew the result that's why I was [TS]

01:25:31   so upset I felt like I was just alone in [TS]

01:25:32   the world like nobody cares if this is [TS]

01:25:34   fair in the abstract everybody only [TS]

01:25:36   cares that they win that their team wins [TS]

01:25:39   and that's the thing that I hate the [TS]

01:25:40   most about politics is it becomes sports [TS]

01:25:43   right and everybody's just pulling for [TS]

01:25:44   their team and they want to win no [TS]

01:25:46   matter what it is i say the problem now [TS]

01:25:48   what's the problem [TS]

01:25:49   I think you are overhearing the people [TS]

01:25:52   calling for faithful selectors there's a [TS]

01:25:54   call for everything out there but i [TS]

01:25:55   think that you're complaining about the [TS]

01:25:57   disparity between the popular vote is [TS]

01:26:00   way more the argument and [TS]

01:26:02   think people are talking about then the [TS]

01:26:04   faithless voters and if you think both [TS]

01:26:06   things like have equal weighting and the [TS]

01:26:08   people who lost trying to use the [TS]

01:26:10   faithless voters as the back door [TS]

01:26:12   I think you got that wrong but you [TS]

01:26:14   understand i'm trying to tell the [TS]

01:26:16   winning team they have a reason to be [TS]

01:26:18   concerned too even though we benefited [TS]

01:26:20   them but I think you're trying to trick [TS]

01:26:22   the winning team there again I think [TS]

01:26:24   you're trying to use it as a back door [TS]

01:26:25   to get a wider issue we'll have to agree [TS]

01:26:27   to disagree on this point i agree with [TS]

01:26:28   you that both things the floor I Great [TS]

01:26:30   War [TS]

01:26:30   ok I agree that both me discussing but i [TS]

01:26:34   think one is more important than the [TS]

01:26:36   other and I think you're placing and you [TS]

01:26:38   importance on the faithful interest [TS]

01:26:40   problem with anything that American [TS]

01:26:42   society needs to decide who is whether [TS]

01:26:45   or not they're happy with the situation [TS]

01:26:47   of popular verminous not becoming [TS]

01:26:49   president that's what I'm really really [TS]

01:26:51   need to decide and I wonder what you [TS]

01:26:53   think about that ok so I'm going to try [TS]

01:26:55   to describe the situation in a little [TS]

01:26:57   bit of the abstract we don't get caught [TS]

01:26:58   up in the details of the electoral [TS]

01:27:00   college yeah who cares really [TS]

01:27:01   right right doesn't matter so here is my [TS]

01:27:03   view on it you have the competing needs [TS]

01:27:05   of two different entities on one hand [TS]

01:27:08   you have the competing needs of citizens [TS]

01:27:11   and on the other hand you have the [TS]

01:27:14   competing needs of the state's these are [TS]

01:27:17   the two players in this game and it [TS]

01:27:20   really is like a question of kind of [TS]

01:27:22   governing preference which way you want [TS]

01:27:25   those things to lead do you care more [TS]

01:27:27   about the sovereignty of the states or [TS]

01:27:29   do you care more about like the citizens [TS]

01:27:31   as a whole and like I really don't think [TS]

01:27:34   there's a correct answer to that i [TS]

01:27:35   really think that's a bit of like a [TS]

01:27:36   preference argument now the problem is [TS]

01:27:42   here's what I think happened it's almost [TS]

01:27:44   like an optical illusion that occurs in [TS]

01:27:45   people's minds were discussing this [TS]

01:27:47   so there is the very legitimate very [TS]

01:27:50   real complaint that if you're just going [TS]

01:27:52   by popular vote because America is so [TS]

01:27:55   enormous you end up with just the city's [TS]

01:27:59   controlling things and I don't think [TS]

01:28:01   that's an illegitimate complaint and you [TS]

01:28:03   also end up with just that this weird [TS]

01:28:05   and real disparity especially in a [TS]

01:28:08   country as big as America that it's like [TS]

01:28:11   you have like this ocean [TS]

01:28:15   of the rural and poking up in random [TS]

01:28:19   locations is an urban archipelago right [TS]

01:28:22   and like the cities have much more in [TS]

01:28:25   common with each other than they [TS]

01:28:27   necessarily do with their own States and [TS]

01:28:31   the rural areas often have much more in [TS]

01:28:32   common than they do with this state [TS]

01:28:34   that's you know an hour's drive away and [TS]

01:28:36   so there's this weird geographic [TS]

01:28:38   fragmentation and I think it's totally [TS]

01:28:39   legit for people who are not in the city [TS]

01:28:41   to say like look at all of this land [TS]

01:28:43   like look at all of this space this has [TS]

01:28:46   to have some kind of waiting and [TS]

01:28:49   balanced against the cities like I can [TS]

01:28:51   understand that argument okay yeah and [TS]

01:28:55   so here's where I think the reasoning [TS]

01:28:57   then start to turn a little bit because [TS]

01:29:00   what happens is the minority group which [TS]

01:29:05   in this case is you know very close but [TS]

01:29:07   let's just say it's rural citizens are [TS]

01:29:10   in the minority or you know will [TS]

01:29:11   essentially be soon and they say you [TS]

01:29:14   know we should have more votes or are [TS]

01:29:17   our votes should be weighted more in [TS]

01:29:20   order to balance out the cities and that [TS]

01:29:23   right there is the moment that I think [TS]

01:29:24   there's a problem because there is [TS]

01:29:26   actually a simpler fairer solution which [TS]

01:29:30   is you have to require a supermajority [TS]

01:29:34   you don't just require 50.0 Oh 1% of the [TS]

01:29:40   votes if you want to say like look we [TS]

01:29:42   need to have an elected leader who is [TS]

01:29:46   going to be representing a lot of our [TS]

01:29:49   people what you want to do then is say [TS]

01:29:52   instead of giving this waiting [TS]

01:29:54   differently which I think has a real [TS]

01:29:55   unfair feeling and leads to strange [TS]

01:29:58   results sometimes I think it's easier to [TS]

01:30:01   say look the candidate has to win sixty [TS]

01:30:04   percent of the ballots cast that's what [TS]

01:30:07   you actually want because otherwise you [TS]

01:30:10   end up with these weird situations where [TS]

01:30:12   you end up with minority rule and people [TS]

01:30:16   are always like Oh minority rule is [TS]

01:30:17   awesome when it's me and it's like you [TS]

01:30:19   know you doing this the wrong way if you [TS]

01:30:21   want to protect a minority group in a [TS]

01:30:25   voting bloc [TS]

01:30:26   what you require is more consensus not [TS]

01:30:30   less consensus so that's my feeling on [TS]

01:30:32   this does that create a situation where [TS]

01:30:35   because as I understand it great the [TS]

01:30:37   electoral college [TS]

01:30:39   waiting's a tweet from time to time as [TS]

01:30:43   demographics change [TS]

01:30:44   yes every 10 years with the sensors yet [TS]

01:30:47   so with your suggestion here of this [TS]

01:30:50   supermajority instead instead of waiting [TS]

01:30:53   the votes just requiring the winner to [TS]

01:30:56   get more votes right right a higher [TS]

01:30:58   percentage of the vote yeah are you just [TS]

01:31:00   creating a new number to be tweaked and [TS]

01:31:04   as more and more people move to the [TS]

01:31:05   cities and the rural areas get less and [TS]

01:31:07   less dense you can have to say all we [TS]

01:31:09   need to move this up to 61 or 62 now [TS]

01:31:11   because it's 60 the city still just have [TS]

01:31:13   complete control and oh now we gotta [TS]

01:31:15   move it up to 64 because more and more [TS]

01:31:17   people have moved into the city's it [TS]

01:31:19   just feels like you're tweaking the [TS]

01:31:21   numbers in a different way to have the [TS]

01:31:22   electoral college does it [TS]

01:31:24   this is totally what setting up a voting [TS]

01:31:25   system is it's a question of which [TS]

01:31:27   number are you going to tweak and I get [TS]

01:31:30   driven kind of crazy when people want [TS]

01:31:34   the people at want two things they want [TS]

01:31:37   the system exactly as it is right now or [TS]

01:31:39   they want the perfect alternative and [TS]

01:31:43   it's like okay well you're never going [TS]

01:31:45   to have a perfect alternative because [TS]

01:31:47   fundamentally what governance is is [TS]

01:31:51   compromised right it's just a question [TS]

01:31:53   of how are we going to do this but some [TS]

01:31:56   people are always going to be unhappy [TS]

01:31:57   and so yes if you are looking at like a [TS]

01:32:01   voting bloc and there's a bunch of [TS]

01:32:02   people you want to have a supermajority [TS]

01:32:04   for certain kinds of decisions and i [TS]

01:32:07   think it's it's a fair system to say [TS]

01:32:10   anything especially with like a [TS]

01:32:11   presidential election even changing that [TS]

01:32:14   number by like the candidate needs [TS]

01:32:15   55-percent not fifty percent i think [TS]

01:32:18   would wildly change the kind of [TS]

01:32:19   candidates that you would end up getting [TS]

01:32:21   hurt because you just need like a [TS]

01:32:22   different kind of person to actually win [TS]

01:32:23   that you need someone who actually [TS]

01:32:25   appeals to a broad base of the [TS]

01:32:27   population as opposed to people like [TS]

01:32:29   save the Electoral College forces [TS]

01:32:32   presidents to appeal to a broad wide [TS]

01:32:35   range of the population but i think it [TS]

01:32:37   is pretty clear in practice like that [TS]

01:32:39   doesn't action [TS]

01:32:40   we happen whereas even if you require a [TS]

01:32:42   fifty-five percent supermajority in [TS]

01:32:44   order to win i think that would have to [TS]

01:32:46   change the way candidates run but yes I [TS]

01:32:49   totally concede that that means in the [TS]

01:32:52   future you are signing up to adjusting [TS]

01:32:55   this one number but i think that's a [TS]

01:32:58   clearer fair thing to adjust how much [TS]

01:33:02   consensus do we require among the [TS]

01:33:05   population to elect a president versus [TS]

01:33:09   how much more should people's votes in [TS]

01:33:12   Wyoming count than someone in Texas I [TS]

01:33:15   like I think that's a fundamentally [TS]

01:33:16   divisive and unfair argument to be [TS]

01:33:21   having this magic number this [TS]

01:33:23   supermajority number which would be twin [TS]

01:33:26   time to time as the country changes how [TS]

01:33:29   is that calculated like in simple terms [TS]

01:33:31   how do you even arrive at that number [TS]

01:33:33   but I don't know how the number would be [TS]

01:33:35   arrived at this is where the debate [TS]

01:33:38   would begin [TS]

01:33:39   I think the simplest starting point [TS]

01:33:41   would be to try to go around and say [TS]

01:33:43   like okay what is the number of people [TS]

01:33:44   who live in metro areas where in large [TS]

01:33:46   metro areas and we're going to require [TS]

01:33:49   the supermajority number to be larger [TS]

01:33:53   than just these populations like [TS]

01:33:55   whatever it is i expect in America that [TS]

01:33:57   would be something like fifty five [TS]

01:33:59   percent right it's not even like a huge [TS]

01:34:01   gap just like more than our current [TS]

01:34:03   system [TS]

01:34:04   yeah so that's my viewpoint I just think [TS]

01:34:06   it's kind of crazy when the argument [TS]

01:34:09   starts out as we can't get everybody to [TS]

01:34:12   agree and we need to protect the rights [TS]

01:34:14   of the minority and like okay [TS]

01:34:17   yes agree we're all on the same page so [TS]

01:34:18   far so good and the way we do that is by [TS]

01:34:21   making it so that the minority can elect [TS]

01:34:23   someone who rules us all and it's like [TS]

01:34:25   no no this is worse like this is worse [TS]

01:34:27   I know you're concerned about rule of [TS]

01:34:30   the majority but I don't see how rule of [TS]

01:34:34   the minority is an appropriate solution [TS]

01:34:36   i think rule of the supermajority is the [TS]

01:34:39   appropriate solution for protecting [TS]

01:34:40   minority rights of minority and he has [TS]

01:34:42   that power when the majority split don't [TS]

01:34:44   they like you make it sound like some [TS]

01:34:46   little state decides the house election [TS]

01:34:48   but that's only become the case because [TS]

01:34:50   the Californians chose a Democrat and [TS]

01:34:52   Texans chose a Republican and if those [TS]

01:34:54   majorities got behind one candidate then [TS]

01:34:57   the little state wouldn't even have a [TS]

01:34:58   chance of having a Saturday the [TS]

01:34:59   president said you just changed [TS]

01:35:01   arguments here because now you're [TS]

01:35:02   talking about States I'm simply talking [TS]

01:35:04   about people voting and requiring a [TS]

01:35:06   super majority of people voting and [TS]

01:35:09   under this scenario everybody's vote is [TS]

01:35:11   worth the same so someone in Hawaii [TS]

01:35:13   their vote is worth just as much as [TS]

01:35:15   someone in utah everybody's votes are [TS]

01:35:17   the same and we're just requiring a [TS]

01:35:19   higher threshold to actually be the [TS]

01:35:21   victor [TS]

01:35:22   that's a different thing from talking [TS]

01:35:23   about a system where we're going to [TS]

01:35:25   require States to win right like the [TS]

01:35:28   totally different things don't you talk [TS]

01:35:30   about minority state choosing someone [TS]

01:35:31   right yeah sorry no i'm talking about [TS]

01:35:34   the minority rural population right [TS]

01:35:36   you're assuming that they are the [TS]

01:35:37   minority population but this holds true [TS]

01:35:39   for any electoral system like I think [TS]

01:35:42   it's something that you can see in [TS]

01:35:43   almost any country is this question of [TS]

01:35:45   we need to decide how many people need [TS]

01:35:48   to agree and lots of our political [TS]

01:35:51   systems i personally think are [TS]

01:35:54   intentionally designed so you can end up [TS]

01:35:57   ruling with a small minority the systems [TS]

01:36:00   are not designed to be fair you know [TS]

01:36:01   this is a whole thing but i find it [TS]

01:36:03   interesting when citizens themselves are [TS]

01:36:05   arguing for this minority rule but they [TS]

01:36:09   only ever argue for it when like they [TS]

01:36:11   are the minority group that is going to [TS]

01:36:14   end up ruling was like this is not how [TS]

01:36:15   we run a civilization we need super [TS]

01:36:17   majority consensus [TS]

01:36:18   what are you thinking that breeding [TS]

01:36:19   politics isn't it is like broken and the [TS]

01:36:22   problem is you only get one chance to [TS]

01:36:23   start these systems because it's pretty [TS]

01:36:26   hard to change the midstream because [TS]

01:36:28   it's it becomes or political the minute [TS]

01:36:30   you start the system so [TS]

01:36:32   the age-old problem isn't it you know [TS]

01:36:34   when it's one of the ways why i am so [TS]

01:36:37   dead-set in my videos to not talk about [TS]

01:36:42   particular candidates or particular [TS]

01:36:44   parties because this is the lesson that [TS]

01:36:48   I learned in the very old now UK [TS]

01:36:52   referendum on the alternative vote that [TS]

01:36:55   if I could talk to people about the [TS]

01:36:57   system in general [TS]

01:36:59   almost everybody could agree on what was [TS]

01:37:01   a fairer system but the moment people [TS]

01:37:03   started thinking about their particular [TS]

01:37:05   political party it was like it was [TS]

01:37:08   amazing to see how people would suddenly [TS]

01:37:11   change their position entirely be like [TS]

01:37:13   no you know what this system that I [TS]

01:37:15   agreed moments ago was terribly unfair [TS]

01:37:17   actually I think it's the best system [TS]

01:37:18   because I win under it I find that's so [TS]

01:37:20   frustrating and so myopic right is that [TS]

01:37:22   mistake you're making [TS]

01:37:24   is that your downfall though because I [TS]

01:37:25   feel a little bit like you're in a [TS]

01:37:27   battle for hearts and minds here and [TS]

01:37:28   you'd like people to see the right path [TS]

01:37:31   and if they're watching some utopian [TS]

01:37:34   cgpgrey video where politics doesn't [TS]

01:37:37   exist and everything's perfect and [TS]

01:37:39   idealized like you can win that argument [TS]

01:37:41   you know because you're smart you were [TS]

01:37:43   but the minute your argument falls into [TS]

01:37:45   the real world where the argument [TS]

01:37:47   actually does have to be one you say [TS]

01:37:49   that it gets you know it it all gets [TS]

01:37:52   drowned out by the shouting and the [TS]

01:37:53   idiots don't you need to find a way to [TS]

01:37:56   take this argument into the real world [TS]

01:37:57   and persuade people it's not that it [TS]

01:37:59   gets drowned out is that people are [TS]

01:38:01   likely to revert to their previous [TS]

01:38:03   position when they realize the thing [TS]

01:38:05   that they agreed on was the fair system [TS]

01:38:06   will disadvantage them in particular [TS]

01:38:09   yeah i totally agree that this is a [TS]

01:38:12   thing that people do and you know at [TS]

01:38:16   least right now I'm still I'm still [TS]

01:38:18   relatively riled up about that although [TS]

01:38:21   just to be clear like at the time of [TS]

01:38:23   this recording there are some reports [TS]

01:38:25   that the popular vote win might switch [TS]

01:38:28   because it is incredibly close like you [TS]

01:38:32   know there's absentee ballots being [TS]

01:38:33   counted as a whole bunch of stuff and [TS]

01:38:35   and if that happens I will [TS]

01:38:36   honest to god I will be relieved right [TS]

01:38:38   that like the president one with the [TS]

01:38:40   popular vote and the electoral college [TS]

01:38:41   but like [TS]

01:38:42   I don't care what your particular [TS]

01:38:44   politics are that's better for everyone [TS]

01:38:46   but it's like yes I am in a bit of an [TS]

01:38:49   argument for hearts and minds on this [TS]

01:38:52   and while i'm still relatively riled up [TS]

01:38:56   about this and you know like putting out [TS]

01:38:58   not great videos because I'm just like I [TS]

01:39:00   gotta get out of my head i am aware [TS]

01:39:02   that's thinking strategically there may [TS]

01:39:06   come a time when I have to be more [TS]

01:39:09   particular about this and I do have some [TS]

01:39:13   thoughts rolling around in my head about [TS]

01:39:16   like basically doing like some [TS]

01:39:17   back-of-the-envelope calculations of [TS]

01:39:19   like how many subscribers do i have in [TS]

01:39:20   what states like with the YouTube [TS]

01:39:22   demographics and it's like I was [TS]

01:39:23   thinking about some things I got some [TS]

01:39:25   plans like maybe four years isn't good [TS]

01:39:28   but maybe eight years is perfect like I [TS]

01:39:30   am totally aware of what you're saying [TS]

01:39:32   that if it comes to an actual fight in [TS]

01:39:36   the mud [TS]

01:39:37   you have to be more specific and and [TS]

01:39:40   that they may come you're running for [TS]

01:39:42   president you go [TS]

01:39:43   is that why you see how many years do [TS]

01:39:46   you have to live in America to be [TS]

01:39:47   eligible because you have to move back [TS]

01:39:48   to do that [TS]

01:39:49   uh yeah you have to live a certain [TS]

01:39:52   number of years in a row in America is [TS]

01:39:53   gonna be over 35 don't you but you've [TS]

01:39:55   also gotta have lived in the country for [TS]

01:39:57   yes that's right it's over 35 [TS]

01:40:00   natural-born citizen and some number of [TS]

01:40:02   years I forget exactly how many years [TS]

01:40:04   but I i am giving no details of the [TS]

01:40:06   vague ideas in my mind like I've been [TS]

01:40:09   thinking about it all right I've been [TS]

01:40:10   thinking about some things [TS]

01:40:11   yeah well that's something to look [TS]

01:40:13   forward to in eight years when we still [TS]

01:40:15   doing hello internet you can tell me all [TS]

01:40:17   about it [TS]

01:40:17   oh yeah is that a promise we're still [TS]

01:40:19   getting it was breeding I think this [TS]

01:40:22   episode's gonna go is if we don't stop [TS]

01:40:24   sewed so the elections have essentially [TS]

01:40:33   ruined our black mirror discussion but [TS]

01:40:37   for people who haven't done their [TS]

01:40:38   homework it's good for you know how like [TS]

01:40:39   when you haven't done your homework and [TS]

01:40:40   then this like a fire alarm or something [TS]

01:40:44   basically this has been a fire around [TS]

01:40:46   for people who haven't [TS]

01:40:47   that homework because yeah we have run [TS]

01:40:49   out of time for black mare we started [TS]

01:40:51   early because we knew that this might [TS]

01:40:53   run long but we have run longer than we [TS]

01:40:57   even plan for and we are frankly out of [TS]

01:41:01   time so if you haven't done your [TS]

01:41:02   homework [TS]

01:41:03   it's going to be collected next time [TS]

01:41:05   which will be a discussion about black [TS]

01:41:08   mirror could watch it if you haven't [TS]

01:41:10   we'll talk about it then if you have [TS]

01:41:12   done your homework [TS]

01:41:13   you're probably really pissed off at us [TS]

01:41:14   right now but sorry [TS]

01:41:17   yeah but you know you know lame cgp [TS]

01:41:19   grumpy [TS]