H.I. #69: Ex_Machina
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I hear you have a listener photo that
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you want to start with Brady just when
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you think the listener photos cannot
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possibly get any better
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the ante has been up once again you
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remember last episode I'm sure who are
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listening and listening photo was dingy
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yes of course remind us what was it was
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an actor on air crash investigators way
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but I know that somewhere in the world
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is called Mayday that's right it's
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called Mayday somewhere i know that it's
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code made in America now this was an
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actor who's playing an air traffic
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controller in an episode of air crash
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investigation and the episode was the
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crash in which the Gulf a pain Stewart
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and a number of other people very
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unfortunately died when their lead yet
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decompressed they got hypoxia and
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presumably died and the plane sort of
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flew like a ghost plane over a large
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tract of the u.s. until it ran out of
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fuel and during that time a number of
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fighter jets were sort of sent up to try
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and see what was going on with this
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ghost plane that was just flying north
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america and they sort of pulled up next
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to it and try to look through the
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windows and see what was going on they
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thought it probably had a compressed and
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we all know the rest
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Randolph you'll crash into the ground so
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I had another email from a listener to
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hello Internet
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this was wine wine says dear dr. heron
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so I like him already Brady does like
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that he doesn't like it when you show
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deference well it shows he's a temp food
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though he says dear dr. hair i am an air
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traffic controller who was directly
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involved with the events depicted in
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season 1 episode 16 of plane crash
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investigator only silence I was of the
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controller who sent the f-15 fighter
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jets to run the initial intercept on
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pains to its chatter now
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really it's very exciting but I'm
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beginning to wonder that you're being
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taken in because this is now going very
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far down there
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rabbit hole listeners to the show we are
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going deep
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anyway I've read on he says I was in the
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process of listening to HR number 68 and
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checking the show notes when I reviewed
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the listener photo i laughed out loud
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there are many many things wrong with
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the set of air traffic control
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workstation a few ones are you like this
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if you have the choice ones are the red
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phone apparently there's no red phone
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you know the radar scope itself and what
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is shown on the scope so he decided to
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go and watch the whole episode he
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tracked down on youtube and he says from
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the air traffic control side of the
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equation the amount of inaccuracies was
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staggering i would love to explain to
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you a love of aviation how the intercept
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went down and where the show go over
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things wrong
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we have not yet had that discussion but
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if it but it seems inevitable
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ok yes yes now as you can imagine i was
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a bit suspicious gray you know this
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seems almost too good to be true
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yeah but i'm not sure how this business
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you'd actually be actually like even if
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you think you're being suspicious that
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you still really wanted to be true
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I didn't want it to be true that so I
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did ask for photos another email follows
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he calls me Brady now I'm not dr. hair
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anymore so we've obviously we've moved
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beyond up there and hang on a first-name
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basis now ok we are
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Brady after securing permission from the
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Chief of Air Facility jacksonville air
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route traffic control center i was able
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to take some photos as requested
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he points out he's an email in his break
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they will not allow photography in the
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actual control room because of national
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security but i was able to get a photo
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in the refresher training dynamic
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simulation lab which is mocked up to
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resemble the control room as much as
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possible although not perfectly without
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displaying live traffic only can
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scenarios for training purposes the
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scope is set to the sector that took the
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handoff from mci orlando approach and
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issued to climb to FL 264 lat level 260
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26,000 feet so he's got the training
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station and he's mocked it up with the
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actual sector that was involved in this
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incident and he's sitting in front of it
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holding of course iphone displaying
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hello Internet send it to an hour gray
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this is wayne not the pretend air
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traffic controller we had last week but
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the actual air traffic controller i have
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to say this looks way more like what a
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real air traffic control center would
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look like in no small part because like
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that keyboard looks really clunky and
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old and I feel like that's what I would
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expect an air traffic controller to
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actually be using is like all but
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reliable equipment very very reliable if
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you think that's good you should see the
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other picture he sent us the second
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photo is of me in the lobby with my
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facility while on break in front of the
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sole remaining RadarScope from the old
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system that was in use when I controlled
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the fighters to intercept pains to its
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jet so this second picture is the actual
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type of scope that he was using at the
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time so you put some ways this is even
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more legit now that looks so old it's
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crossed over in my brain that it looks
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like something out of a 1950s sci-fi
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movie that doesn't even look real
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anymore
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it looks like it's a prop on a very very
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old film that's absolutely fantastic it
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looks like that track ball in the center
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is enormously well-used based on the
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wearing pattern of the metal in front of
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I don't know where this is going to end
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gray we started with the actor now we've
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got the person the actor was portraying
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who what are we going to have next the
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pilots of the fighter jets if you're
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listening app pilots of the fighter jets
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I feel like certainly this rabbit hole
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has to end somewhere but I also feel
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like there's definitely a lesson here
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for people sending you to listen to her
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photos like they've learned the real way
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to get through this is to buy his senior
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photos towards Brady it's also show
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proper deference in the beginning when
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you address him
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can I just say this and I say this all
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the time I do read all these emails that
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come in and look at your pictures I
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don't reply to the mall because if I
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don't fly straight away I kind of can't
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who but do send them they do get looked
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and I have got a few in my kind of war
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chest to bring up later on so if you
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haven't made it onto the show yet
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that means either i didn't use it gray
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cut it or you still might be coming
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look at you setting up false hope for
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the masses to be fair it's pretty
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unlikely you gonna get on the show if
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you sent it more than a few months ago
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but this is fantastic follow-up we
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continue to go deeper into the rabbit
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hole we are going to perfect it is a
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little bit amazing isn't it
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it is more than a little bit amazing
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okay and on our list of follow-up we
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also have what I feel like is again
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feeding into the very eager of the show
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that things we discuss seem to happen in
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the world after we discuss them and sure
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enough after we discussed your idea
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about alien life the reveal of it
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becoming boring through a series of
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press conferences that inch toward the
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actual reveal just a couple days after
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the show
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there was an article called this is not
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a drill city is investigating possible
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extraterrestrial signal from deep space
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the aliens are reaching out to hello
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Internet this is nuts and i have to say
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i did feel very very vindicated by this
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little new story that happened not hours
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after many people have listened to last
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FFL internet for those who missed this
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and you could well have missed the first
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contact because it was a pretty low-key
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story basically i think it was some
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russian astronomers yes reported a
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signal coming from a star which looks
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like a you know could be alien in origin
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and it was all this excitement it did
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make the front page of a couple of
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reputable newspapers and it was a big
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story it was cloaked in the suspicion
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that always does seem to click some
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announcements that come from Russia who
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like because it wasn't shared with the
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scientific community in a timely manner
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so it could be checked and therefore
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people were like we'll hang on
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why are they being secretive about it
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and sure enough a few days later the
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authorities and Russia themselves I
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think basically said are actually we now
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think this was probably not aliens it
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was probably to rest riyal in origin who
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so the story went away and just like I
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said false alarms minor announcements
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reviews when we finally here ETA it's
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going to be like this it's going to be
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boring i totally agree this is one of
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these things where I through an
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avalanche of people on Twitter received
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news of this story about like there's a
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signal that might be intelligent life
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out there in the universe so i received
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it like tons of stuff about this story
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and then as always goes with these
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things that you don't hear any of the
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follow-up so I was not aware of like oh
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now just like every other time we think
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it's some kind of signal bounced off
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earth or it's something else in the
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universe like a look we've discovered
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quasars you know whatever it is it turns
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out to be reasonably uninteresting but
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what it makes me think of which i'm
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pretty sure have said before on the show
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but I was always surprised by when I did
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the space topic with my students the
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number of students that thought humans
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had already been on Mars and any news of
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like oh we're working towards going on
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Mars was totally uninteresting to them
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because they're like hasn't this already
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happened
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I wonder with press releases like this
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or things that go out how many people
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just like somewhere in the back of their
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mind might be thinking like didn't we
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already discover aliens like how is this
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even knew that this happened a long time
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ago that discussion we had last time
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came in handy actually because I've
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actually just been on holiday the last
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45 days
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oh yeah i was actually up in the
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mountains near Marrakech again where I
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sometimes go with my wife and have very
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clear skies they are not and we went
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outside like on sun loungers and we just
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were looking at the stars with sometimes
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just go and look at the stars and see if
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we can spot a couple shooting stars and
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things like that and see if we can see a
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satellite or the space station
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it's really cool actually because they
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give you the special cloaks you can put
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out when you go outside and not they
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look just like Jedi cloaks they're like
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brown and I've got a hood so it's like
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you two Jedi is just going out to look
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these are the hood that you have sent
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which is what you go to this place yes
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pretend village at i basically it's like
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Jedi so yeah so anyway we were lying
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there on the sunday and just looking up
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something for you to listen to and i
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just played her the section of hello
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Internet why do you beware way and in
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particular you talked about looking up
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at the sky and how like menacing it
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could be because it's so suspiciously
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silent men is this a sign that there's
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like a reason that silent up there like
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should we be shutting up so I should
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have listened to this and i played it
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what was the reaction like why would you
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do this
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I don't know my wife it does quite like
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conspiracy theory stuff sometimes I
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thought she'd like it when she asked a
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few questions and made a few comments
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but overall I think the final conclusion
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was I have enough stuff in the world to
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worry about it we are worried about it
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in the board coming head and destroying
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the earth like there's not much I can do
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about that and I think her main
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sentiment was why the heck if you put
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that idea in my head now so that when i
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look at the sky i can think about that
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I feel like that's my job sometimes
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again I can plant an idea in someone's
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head that never goes away I feel like
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missing the cartilage to it does beg the
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question why you worried about it though
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because you're mr. you know i won't
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recycle or use one towel because i can't
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make a difference to the environment
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well you sure as heck can't make a
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difference to the electromagnetic
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radiation that humans are sending out
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into the universe or how the universe
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will respond to that electromagnetic
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radiation so what the heck you even
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thinking about that for
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I mean isn't this would worries are
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thoughts that pop up irrationally
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sometimes that's what I worry is this
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like I'm perfectly well aware there's
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nothing I can do to save humanity from
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the apocalypse of the abyss that's
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there's nothing I can do about that it's
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just a thing that your mind turns to on
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occasion but that's what we're doing is
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cgpgrey being irrational my whole belief
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system is crumbling down around me I
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feel like anybody who has listen to this
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podcast long enough can find plenty of
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examples of me not being perfectly
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rational i don't think this is like a
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rare instance
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okay well that's a nice little segue for
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us to talk about the Apple watch
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oh haha ok you want to beat me up about
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the Apple watch again let's go
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I do because this is my ongoing crusade
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to save your horological so I sort of
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picture the other day that horrified me
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and I sent it to you deny you sent me a
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picture it was like some group of
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politicians in a press conference room
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somewhere and one of them was wearing an
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apple watching and you thought this was
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like a horrifying thing to send me that
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I would just recoil from and I don't
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know why it was all these important
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people sitting around the table in the
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Cabinet Room the Prime Minister there
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and they're all wearing what seemed to
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me to be quite nice sensible dignified
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classy watches and then there's just one
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minister there with her
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Tonka truck play watch it just stands
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out like something it stands out like a
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woman who knows what she's doing who's
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on top of the latest trends and
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technology is always connected if she
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needs to be when i see the apple watch
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on her wrist
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I assume she's the most competent person
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in the room i think that's the message
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the apple watch sentence be honest with
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me cry when you look at actually it's
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not like that which is at the tip you're
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always like no beyond his with me you
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always open with that because you cannot
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believe my actual parts at do you really
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think that looks good i think it looks
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perfectly fine and i think you just
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making a mountain out of nothing here
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Brady it's like people wear watches
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people where smartwatches I think it's
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perfectly fine i'm not a big fan of the
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white band but i would be not a fan of a
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white band on almost any watch so I feel
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like that's besides the point here you
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have an issue with what you refer to
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constantly as the Dead face of the Apple
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watch which to me just doesn't register
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as that it's not the Dead face that
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bothers me
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what bothers you still that you just
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can't let go at
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it just doesn't look good it doesn't it
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looks it's the wrong shape and I don't
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know it looks like someone's trying to
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where you know computer on their hand
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and that's exactly what they're doing
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yeah I know well tell me about the new
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one there was a big apple announcement
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wasn't there did you watch the Apple k
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night this week
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yeah as we are recording the apple
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keynote was last night and as usual and
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you like to try to set aside time to
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watch these things because I'm always
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very interested in what's going to
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happen so sit back relax have a glass of
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wine see what Tim Cook brings forth for
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the masses before we talk about what was
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brought forth can I just say my god i'm
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familiar with apple keynote and I've
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seen bits of them the floor but i don't
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usually watch them and I dipped into
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this one because I thought I have a
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quick look and see what's going on em
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because i saw on twitter that was on my
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goodness what an outdated car crash that
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presentation for me is it was so bad it
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looks like a parody i think i said at
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the time it looks like an onion spoof of
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a TEDTalk mm it's also earnest and so
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like everything's awesome and thanks Tim
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I'm so proud to be up here and tell you
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about what we're doing and it's such an
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antiquated way for a big technology
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company to be announcing things to the
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world it's like some kind of school
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variety show where the principal says
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okay everyone now i'm going to introduce
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little Jimmy that I'm not working really
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hard all week on this is written this
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power for you i want you all to listen
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really carefully now everyone let's give
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Jimmy a big clap as he cums on the stage
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yeah Jimmy Jimmy and then Jimmy comes
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out says thanks to him I am so proud to
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be here i have been learning my lines
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off by heart and i have been told where
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to look and how to move my body in the
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right way to do this demonstration here
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is my announcement
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thank you very much clap clap thanks
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that was awesome now he is sandy it's
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like I can't believe these are like
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multi-millionaires leading the bigger
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technology company in the world it's
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horrendous I'm genuinely curious what do
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you think would be a better way to do
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this well I don't see why it has to be
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done in this live show kinda way for a
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start but em like I think the cool thing
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to do would be just have them appear in
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the store but of course then you've got
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to fade the media but at the same time
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that they just appear in the store you
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would feed the media what they need and
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of course you've got to put Tim Cook
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forward so that there's someone to put
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on the TV news and he has to hold the
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objects i get there has to be footage
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but this parade of people onstage
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prancing around like they're doing
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tedtalks i find it completely
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cringe-worthy and in terms of getting
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media time I don't see the TV use very
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often using like all those crappy
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tedtalks anyway they're only going to
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use a few clips from the boss anyway I
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think it's silly I don't understand
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tell me what school or tell me what's
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the way to do it see the thing is I
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don't know if I really disagree with you
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and I feel like Apple has had a couple
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of these in a row that were not great i
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think it last night's one was kind of
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boring just from an announcement
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perspective like they didn't really have
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a whole lot new to talk about that they
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certainly were kind of trying to present
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it that way but it's funny because I was
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kind of actually thinking something
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similar to what you were thinking about
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like boy this is very low information
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density like the number of bullet points
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that i'm going to get out of this
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presentation does not represent the two
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hours long that it is and i do have to
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say a bunch of the presenters felt super
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rehearsing and it's always like I can't
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blame them for that because I imagine if
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you're speaking on behalf of what is
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sometimes the world's most valuable
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company
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you can't go out there and kind of wing
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it like I'm sure absolutely everything
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has to be totally approved i think the
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reason that it happens is because they
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want an event to gather together all of
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the press people who immediately after
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that event they make the devices
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available for everybody
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the press to try them out and to shoot
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their reviews and to put up like first
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impressions you know this kind of thing
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like I think that's why it's there so
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that they can get someone like mkbhd to
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come to San Francisco to see the event
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and then to talk about the device on his
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youtube channel like an hour later and I
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think that their goal with those
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presentations is to try to like shape
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the mind of the media people before they
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see the thing that's my guess anyway I
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feel like if I was in charge of Apple
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like that's what I've been trying to do
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like I want to influence the media
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people to think about the phone in this
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way right not in some other way
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well that makes sense grow and I can see
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why they would want to do that i just
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think they could do a bit cooler i mean
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i know a lot of people hate on apple and
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a lot of people love them i tend to
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think most things that will do it pretty
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cool mmm i think most of their devices
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are cool i think the shops of cool
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places staffed by you know kind of young
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people and that and I think this is the
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one time every year that Apple seems
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like it's a bunch of corny dad's at work
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and it's the coldest thing Apple does i
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take it that you didn't see the very
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opening of this event then now I've read
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about that was a carpool karaoke thing
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but I'm scared to look at a car crash
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that obey it was totally baffling to me
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because i have never heard of carpool
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karaoke I have no idea what this thing
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is and when i started watching
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advantages like Tim Cook is in a car
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singing Sweet Home Alabama and they're
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just bantering about stuff is like oh
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god I don't know what this is but this
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want to watch them cook doing it because
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tell like fantastic operations guy but
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yak cool he is not and he also has the
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people never it's like watching him and
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carpool karaoke my feeling was oh god
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watching this
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yeah I don't think Tim Cook celebrates
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his uncoolness the way that someone like
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Bill Gates does you know I think Tim
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should realize he's not and celebrate
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yeah you never know that the minds of
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other people i mean i feel like it takes
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a lot of guts to do something like that
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because he's gonna know that he's not
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cool and just do carpool karaoke anyway
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because it's kind of fun although i
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always find Apple a bit cringe-worthy
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when they say bring on celebrities and
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whose feels like Apple becomes a little
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bit of a screaming fangirl all of a
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sudden when they bring out like look
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the car like look at all of these
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celebrities who love Apple I mean I'm no
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expert here and i can get found out for
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my lack of Apple knowledge but I feel
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like in recent years they've been taken
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a beating for choosing slightly uncool
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celebrities that Tim Cook think so cool
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Coldplay and that whoever there is a
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little bit of our that's kind of how
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your dad's into exactly
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obviously this year's someone has gotten
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in there and said Nana we're not having
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the BGC at him with what you have to do
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is you have to get that James Corden
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going because everybody's talking about
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him he's big on YouTube anybody who's
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anybody is going into his car that's
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what we've got to do so i think this has
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been a desperate attempt to make Tim
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people and I don't know I don't know how
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well it worked but I think that's what
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they were trying to do i'm not sure it
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works i'm not sure if that was their
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goal but i do have to totally agree with
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you that this one was I felt in a lot of
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points like the presenters were a bit
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awkward
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it felt kind of rushed or just not like
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a smooth machine and it is always weird
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when they turn over the stage to another
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person and then bring it back and thank
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you have just planted into my mind the
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idea that it's a school principal like
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pointing to
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Timmy who's going to do a presentation I
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will never not have that in my mind now
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when Tim Cook like hands it over to
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somebody else like she is she's been
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practicing for two weeks and we don't
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look like she's been practicing for
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three weeks as well that is gonna be my
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mind every time now so thanks for that
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but it's going to be in my mind because
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there's something about it which is true
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even though before I was trying to make
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the argument that when I think they're
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really doing is trying to sway the minds
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of the media before they see the devices
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hmm I wonder like does it really matter
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i mean i know this goes into my biases
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of like I think people overestimate the
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importance of news stories or like media
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reports on things of course there's no
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way to now but it's like let's say all
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of the media comes out and just slams
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the next iphone how many people will
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like what would that translate into in
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terms of percentage change in sale of
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iphones like I just don't know I almost
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wonder like is this whole thing worth
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doing that does matter i think
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word-of-mouth matters like over
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breakfast tomorrow when we're talking
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about are we going to upgrade our
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iphones you so apparently it's pretty
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crap that's what i saw in the paper that
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can be enough to stop someone buying a
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oh yeah apparently it's a bit crappy
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apparently he's uglier than the other
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ones like those headline things do
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I think shaping and crafting the message
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is important actually as skeptical as
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I'm about and I think you know PR is
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evil and I can see why they do it and I
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say what's important
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I just think the way they're doing it is
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bad and you and I have been talking for
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20 minutes about how uncool apolis it's
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true I guess I should rephrase my
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earlier point because if you say
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something like oh the new phone is bad
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like okay people won't buy it but what I
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mean is what is the percentage that
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Apple can possibly move the minds of the
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people who are going to be viewing the
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phone anyway right in one direction or
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another I know that I agree with if
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you've had your plane ticket paid for
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you're getting five seconds of face time
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with Tim coozeman past you in the
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corridor that's powerful stuff
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yeah like journalists are very
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susceptible to junkets and freebase
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everybody is like it's so easy to show
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that like the trivial list of gifts
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influences people's minds even if they
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don't think that it does like you just
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can't not have this happen and this is
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why companies like to give stuff to
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people like to just review even just
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receiving the thing for free like no
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matter how much you try it does have a
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little bit of an influence yeah on your
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mind like it can't not the thing that I
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wonder with those presentations is
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almost always feel relief when they kind
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of cut away from the actual presentation
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to the pre-made videos
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they'll have like here's a little video
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about the new iphone which would like
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try to encapsulate everything in two
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minutes and here's a little video about
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the Apple watch when i found myself
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wondering last night was what if you
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just did the videos like what if you
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just drop those videos on YouTube and
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that was it and then phone show up in
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the store the next day how much of a
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difference would that mean I can see why
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they need an excuse to get the important
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people in one place like you said
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earlier I can't see that and i can see
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what needs to become an event like the
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Super Bowl you know that where people
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come together and there are parties the
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night before and not just to hold the
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things but just to bring people together
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in the feeling that this is an occasion
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this is important enough that we all
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need to be reporting on it and all the
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other journalists here reporting on it
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so i need to be reporting on i agree
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with that I just think they're format is
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looking really tired they upgrade
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everything else they do every 20 seconds
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and yet they won't upgrade this boring
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old format of this
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k night what upgrades you want them to
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do that like shorter fewer handoffs what
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you wanted a great if I was that smile
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probably wouldn't be here doing a
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podcast with you I'd be some millionaire
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consultant in America better i don't
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know what the solution is I just know
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that what they're doing
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looks terrible I couldn't watch
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embarrassed for them
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how are you everyone super thanks for
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this is amazing that was fabulous
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just to be clear that the listeners like
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even though I've been kind of agreeing
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with you that this year wasn't a
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particularly great presentation like
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maybe the change some things up next
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I do personally like watching it because
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i'm really interested in this and I
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think there's always a fun game which is
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the speculate what is going on inside
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Apple game based on like what you see on
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the outside and what they say that kind
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of Criminology is a thing that I am just
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interested in with regards to apple and
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as always there's no explaining any
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interest like that's why I will sit down
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very curious about the details like
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who's doing what
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what things are they choosing to focus
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on right I I like all of that stuff
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this is me being like someone who's a
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policy wonk and who is super into the
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details of like a particular candidates
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platform like what do they think about
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this you know what are they gonna do
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with that i am aware like outside of
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myself and a relatively small group of
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people like most of the world doesn't
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I think they're just gonna be like oh
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there's a new phone in the store when
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they walk by and they see it in the
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window like that is essentially
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everybody's experience i don't agree
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with that there's a new phone in the
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window thing i do you think people are
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aware that when apple announced what the
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new phone is all the new computers or
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the new technologies it is like an event
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people do know that but my wife I said
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to my wife are the new iphones are
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coming out soon because it was in my
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head and she said yes being announced on
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September seven so like people do know
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it's an event and a time of the year and
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that and so Apple have been smart to do
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that and like i said i agree with making
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a big who hired a big event and maybe
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even doing something that gives the
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Apple nodes that you some kind of
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glimpse then maybe just do it better and
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that's always the best advice just do it
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better at the things you're not doing
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well don't do those two things better
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so in terms of the actual announcements
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anything worth knowing i know there's a
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new version of the watch that's not much
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different and the phone is waterproof
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and the microphone jacks on the way out
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that seems to be all i know yeah people
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are really upset about the headphone
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jack like that's that's kind of a big
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story i guess but this one I just felt
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like there was not really anything of
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it's like they've made a phone that's
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the exact same size as the phone before
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and they're like oh it's faster ok sure
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it's faster I can understand they have a
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new camera on it but it just to me and
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it's it just seemed like there wasn't
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really anything of supernote like I'm
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glad there's a new version of the Apple
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watch which is coming out again like
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it's a little faster but nothing of
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supernote and I feel like the past to
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apple events have been this way for me
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of like oh there's new things you have
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some new hardware and the new version of
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your operating system is coming out but
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it just feels like nothing for me in
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these last two apple events like over to
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on significant interesting wow I can't
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like it
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for people who don't know and he is a
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snapchat together and we were making
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funny videos and we were just clowning
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around and suddenly my phone made a
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was news to me and I was like destiny
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someone tried to call me some stranger's
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tried to call me that's outrageous
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happen and Destin was kind of looking
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going on and what's going on and then
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phone saying our hi I'm here and I
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didn't call you you code me and like
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what had happened was like some stranger
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obviously just press some button next to
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that person's name to phone them out of
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the blue they haven't known what's going
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me saying could you believe some
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stranger's tried to call me this is
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outrageous and test and i were talking
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about and he was just like the poor sod
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call you and then I was like who is this
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oh haha i was super apologetic because i
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was just a total ham-fisted idiot who
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interrupted this poor persons day but we
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nice and then I was like well anyway so
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sorry about Latin and hang up
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pressed one of their unlabeled
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press a button and it means we're going
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pitfall of snapchat careful it's not
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just accidentally following people or
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accidentally things like that now she
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can accidentally phone someone and not
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know your phone them and then they're
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listening to you talk right
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great more and more reasons to use
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their phone to make sure that their
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phone isn't on and hasn't called the
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person do you do this i am not but I did
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have a friend who used to do that
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negatively about someone and he had butt
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people worry about like I know several
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people who do this and I always find
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you're telling me you actually know
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someone this happened to thinking maybe
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girlfriend at the time and if there's
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one person you're likely to accidentally
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she's not going to be the last person
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you find and if there's someone you're
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likely to be talking about behind their
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back it could also be your girlfriend so
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ever going to happen that would be one
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girlfriend that were not complementary
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phone out of his pocket and had a look
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wow I can't believe you know some of
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this actually happened to that's amazing
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and they were talking about you would
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you feel any responsibility to yell out
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hey I'm right here listening to you or
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we do it quietly listen the whole time I
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don't know what I would do like if I do
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get dialed occasionally and i actually
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day and like they called me back and I
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didn't know I'd call them and I'd been
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out of bar being really Larry to say
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goodness knows what they heard
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who I work with and I was in a really
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important business meeting talking about
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that person and like deals and things
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you know who this person is and they set
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there and listen to the whole meeting
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epicenter of this thing actually
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occurring rejected the cylinders like an
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contact who would sometimes help me with
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information and tell me stories that I
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this person accidentally found me once
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they'd find me accidentally or they had
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fine because they wanted me to hear
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something important so I did stay on the
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phone for a few minutes just in case
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like I was supposed to hear some amazing
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RK that's an accident it wasn't a
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meeting with the Illuminati and you were
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get the story out there exactly but you
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never know
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start walking around
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one of the luckier people with regards
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to not getting free booted I think
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perhaps me Destin is the unluckiest
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those get free booted all over the place
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relatively getting off scot-free as far
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as these things go but in the last video
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that i just put up which was the one
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about the simple solution to traffic
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this was perhaps the first time that I
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saw a video just getting free booted all
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over facebook just like a ton of
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different places all posting it and by
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my rough estimate across all of the
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various sources it was something like 10
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million views on facebook which
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considering that the video gets like
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three million views on YouTube which is
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fantastic but of course as always with
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the freebooting it does really hurt deep
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to see your video getting spread in a
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bunch of other places and you're not
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really getting any of the rewards that
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go along with it
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well I've got a few questions worry
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about it then moon first of all day if I
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can make an observation about the video
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this is another excellent example to me
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of things that I assume everyone knows
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that maybe they don't know little
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because i watch that video i thought it
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was really good well explained and nice
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that but I thought doesn't everyone know
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this like this is what causes traffic
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snarls and it's all human reaction times
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tweeting and saying this is amazing
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great explains this and I'm going to
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check this out i was like what happened
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huh right is this news to people
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gosh I feel like there's a thousand
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videos waiting to be made now that I
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thought were worth making all these
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things I can explain to people that
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maybe they don't know that i think is an
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excellent excellent point because this
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is like a skill i think in making any
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kind of thing where you're explaining
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stuff to people on the internet that i
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often fall on the wrong side of as well
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where it is super easy to over assume
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how much other people know about any
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topic and something that happens to me
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sometimes when I'm like working on a
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video is that by the time i get to the
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end of the research phase was like okay
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I've read a whole bunch of stuff about
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this thing actually currently happening
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with the video I'm working on
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right now but it's like at the end of
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this phase i end up with this feeling of
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well doesn't just everybody know this
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right it's like Shirley everybody just
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it's so easy to over assume that the
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things you know are the things that
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everybody else knows
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doesn't everybody who's got the
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Antarctic is exactly perfect example is
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absolutely perfect example
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it's a thing that I think I'm bad at
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this but I often try to remind myself
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like the world contains essentially an
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infinite amount of knowledge like
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there's an infinite number of things to
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know and practically by definition the
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people who are going to spread this
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video are going to be the people who
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didn't know this right like the people
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who do know this are not going to be
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people who feel like wow I have to
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really share this on twitter because
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it's like a thing that's in their head
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but I was really uncertain about how
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this video would do because this was a
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case where I thought I might be on the
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wrong side of this i was thinking like I
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bet enough people don't know this but i
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might be totally wrong
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like I might have just made a video
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called did you know the moon goes around
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the earth like there's a point at which
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people don't know that and then there's
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a point at which people do but you
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assume like essentially everybody who's
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old enough to be watching YouTube would
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know if act like that so there is also a
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point where you can be a big enough and
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famous enough explain that everyone will
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share it to I mean you probably could
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make the moon goes around the earth just
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like the resource could make that video
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and you'd be guaranteed a higher
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baseline of sharing but yeah but Vsauce
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would somehow you know connect owed the
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moon going around the earth and then all
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of a sudden we be talking about like how
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bread bakes like it would it would be
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all over us right at me like oh and then
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how much does your shadow way like we
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can measure the shadow of the moon right
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and like you just know that's how Vsauce
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video will go i don't think a
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straightforward video about the moon
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going around the earth in the same way i
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made a straightforward video about like
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how does traffic happen i don't think
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that would go anywhere unified it so
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obviously the mistake that you made with
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your self driving car video is I assume
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someone else animated for you because it
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didn't look like your animations vastly
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beyond my skill level yeah had some very
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visualizations in it which was also very
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helpful to the videos success i'm sure
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but it also meant it was suddenly
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eminently stealable because now it
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wasn't just some nerdy American guy
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explaining something cleverly it had
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pretty pictures and that means
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freebooters swoop
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here's some eye candy for us to feed to
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the masses do you think that was my
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downfall is that it looked too good and
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that's why I fallen into the realm of of
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freebooting well it's not going to look
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too good it visualized what you're
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explaining normally your craft and the
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thing that you do well is you explain
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things well with words man the animation
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is almost you know if your little jokes
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and afterthoughts instantly people
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occupied but this time the pictures did
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more than your words did we have
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pictures that tell the story this time
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and that's brilliant
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you know welcome to the medium of video
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great thank you thank you i genuinely
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have not really been involved in it like
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I don't even mean that as a joke again
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it is true like my videos are not
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exactly videos in the same way that your
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videos are video is so while you i am
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welcoming you to the world of video with
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open arms i'm also will continue to the
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world of freebooting they have been out
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to say so you obviously got free booted
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like a wild man and i know it because
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most people who know that you don't
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really miles and tweets we're alerting
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me to the free routing of grace video
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thank you very much for that up is not
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you don't need to alert me to graze
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videos being free boat just it's bad
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enough when you let me to mine
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no I say I think you do need to know
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really the extra funny thing about this
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is i did have a suspicion that this one
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was going to be give booted I thought
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our there's a couple sections in here
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where I can already see this is becoming
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a gif on imager and repeated like 28
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million times
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so yeah I don't know if you saw but on
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my blog when I actually posted the video
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i prepared for being gift booted by gift
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booting myself by taking what i thought
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was like the most little iconic shot
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which is a bunch of cars going around a
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circle and in the video you only see it
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for a few seconds these cars going
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around a circle in a traffic way of
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going around
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the opposite direction so that will be
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great have a gift that's actually the
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complete thing and let me try to water
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market with where it actually came from
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so i can i'm adding value with this gift
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like here internet go ahead gift boot
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this all over the place
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I didn't see a single person totes to
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know it's like why do that when you can
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just make your own from the video and
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put your watermark on it but i thought
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like look this gift is a perfect gifts
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it's smooth right it goes all the way
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around if you couldn't even pull this
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out of the video if you want to do
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nope it's like if you make it think
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available it's like it's no more fun
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anymore to give boot
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no I don't want that is going to take
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your video that's right grand i think
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one of the things that people don't
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understand about freebooting i think a
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lot of people think freebooters are like
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altruistic and all they're trying to do
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is share the love em but no the most
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freebooters are not that they're trying
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to build their own followings in their
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own base and their own Facebook page in
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their own reputation as a supplier of
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interesting content they don't want to
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just share the love and maybe help great
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on the way they're all about themselves
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and building themselves and you've given
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them a nice juicy piece of yummy content
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yeah that they can take and then get all
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the glory for finding and sharing and
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don't think that most freebooters
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altruistic people most of them are not
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yeah they're not these indie rebel
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pirates that are you know trying to get
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the plans to the death star to save the
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they're all about themselves and you
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totally right i attempt to pre gift boot
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myself was doomed before it even started
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thinking about it all wrong way i was
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thinking about the totally wrong
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audience because you write every place
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where i saw that it had hundreds of
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thousands or millions of views was
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obviously just a professional content
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aggregator and who does this all the
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the thing is I wouldn't be so frustrated
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by this if so I've done a couple of
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little experiments trying to put videos
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up on facebook to see like what if I do
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what I think facebook wants me to do
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which is like in bed my own videos using
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their actual player and put it up on
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facebook like I have done little tests
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in this direction to try to let you put
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my toe in the water and the end result
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has always been like all your videos do
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terribly on facebook
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if you post your own video on facebook
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it doesn't do very well if somebody else
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post your video on facebook millions of
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views right it's like yeah it's doubly
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frustrating it's like facebook if you
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could make my own videos the source of
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all of these views i would be much more
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likely to give in to what you want which
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is to just put my own videos on there as
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this is not a useful endeavor and so we
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end up in this negative feedback loop
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facebook page in the first place so i
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don't necessarily spend a lot of time on
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it that just feeds into the cycle like
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when other people post your videos
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it gets even more viral it's just it's
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very frustrating and there is no way
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around it but I do just want to say very
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quickly a quick thank you to everybody
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in my audience who reported all the
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various facebook freebooting is because
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filling have fun copyright forms on
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determined to try and get some of this
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stuff removed i go in cycles with this
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hold the tide back is spending an
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afternoon going down and chasing down
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all of the freebooters and actually roi
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money that they're going to make i'm not
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going to get anything back from this
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it's like it's already lost
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why do other people get to be like
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try to handle this stuff but so this
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pleasantly surprised to see that
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essentially my audience had taken care
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of it so I was that was happy about that
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the show you know how when you look at a
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looking like a word I've been looking at
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word freebooting stopped existing don't
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look at it too long a billion neurons
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happening i have had an insanely crazy
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day I don't think I've worked as hard as
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I had it today for a long time
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oh yeah yeah so if i do start going a
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bit delirious
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that's what's happening what time did
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you get up 9am early Brady timeout know
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about eight-thirty oh wow
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no wow that is very early for you yeah
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but i didn't have that period in the
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middle of the day where I just sort of
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go a bit fellow and do nothing and just
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surf the internet for an hour but i
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couldn't i don't have time for that
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oh my that matter I had to work through
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that look like you're in a coal mine
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Brady what was going on and I and in
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ten minutes break i had to do my
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homework for the part of the show that's
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coming up in a minute
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mhm I'm glad you did your homework i'm
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sure the listeners will appreciate it so
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quick update on projekt revolution
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what's going on with projekt revolution
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this is the vinyl episode of Hello
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internet of course everybody's going to
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know it by its project name who wouldn't
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know about that
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yeah well you didn't use the project
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name in the show notes would secretly
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disappoints me you just put record
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follow-up I'm sorry
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yeah so the initial pressing that first
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then depressing we did I think it would
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be fair to say sold out a little bit
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more quickly then was anticipated
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yeah it seemed like we dramatically
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underestimated the enthusiasm for the
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final episode of the podcast i think
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that would be like a funny little quirky
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one off that some people might really
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treasure it is like how many people can
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possibly be
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we worried that 250 was like oh we might
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have printed 10 times more than we need
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but our estimates were very off very off
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we got that wrong
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we got that wrong and lots of ways yes
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so I have arranged a second pressing
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that also sold out very quickly
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so I'm going to arrange sort of another
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batch to be released
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I'm learning a lot about business and no
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real any production and fulfillment and
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all sorts of things I've bitten off more
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than i intended to choose but i'm still
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excited because i don't know if it came
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across last time but releasing a record
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is something that like as a kid that
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would seem that you would never do so
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doing it is like feeling a little like
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you know of any dream isn't it like a
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little thing but I didn't realize all
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the hassle that would come with it so
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I'm working through it i'm still super
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excited about and I also very excited to
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say that yesterday I took delivery of
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the five test pressings know this is
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without all the slaves and the artwork
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and the labels it's just pure vinyl just
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to test that the mold or depressing
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thing that made works so i have got five
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copies and i have listened to it on a
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record player and i'm happy to report it
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was successful
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fantastic so it looks like we're going
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to be pressing the big green light on
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the more elaborate runs and the our work
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is going to be printed up so it's all go
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and i will try to keep people informed
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by things like my artists and Twitter
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and patreon about any news about how
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it's going and also availability of more
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units have been when they become
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available
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apologies to people who have missed our
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apologies to people who think the whole
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idea is ludicrous and a massive thank
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you to people who think it's really cool
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and I'm even more massive thank you to
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people who think it's so cool that
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they've bought one
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it's amazing yeah it's absolutely
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amazing and the thing that I have
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enjoyed seeing as well and especially in
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the beginning since it seemed like we
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see a bunch of people at through various
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means trying to arrange hello Internet
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listening parties like we sort of threw
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out the idea of like oh maybe people
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will do this is a thing
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it warmed my heart to see people trying
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to arrange actual hello Internet
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listening parties and it's like the
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whole project seems like ridiculous and
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fun but I have to say I really like the
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of the people who were able to get one
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of the early releases of of the record
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like opening up their homes had to a
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bunch of random other listeners and just
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like having a listening party for the
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show I think that's absolutely fantastic
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that it's actually going to be happening
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in the least a few places so that's just
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great makes me smile to think about that
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you're gonna go to one if you get an
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invite and now i figger show i was there
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i was that listening party 0 creation
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yeah now just one little secret wink if
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you did get one of the very very first
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batch your copy will be very very subtly
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different to the subsequent releases
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only the trained eye will know how
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nothing about the actual sound of the
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episode is different just a very very
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small small subtle thing to do with the
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artwork will be different so if you've
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got one of those first 250 uber limited
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editions who you can still feel good
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about yourself still feel like your
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enthusiasm has been rewarded in the
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smallest smallest way because i know
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people will appreciate that
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yeah and you have to
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yeah and you have to
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do you have to visually markup the
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differences between the printings now
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you have to have some things that the
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the train collectors can recognize which
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one of those records is the original 250
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and which one is just a later printing
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just a leader just like different later
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friends because of our massive air her
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that's the baby what people want its i
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will be very curious to see if anybody
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spots or notices the little easter egg
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there for those first 250 but please
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please if you are like some you know
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compulsive collector who can't help
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yourself please don't buy one of H
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because you have to have both I promise
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you the difference is so small that it
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is not worth having both don't be like
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me you probably would do that don't do
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it this sounds like the worst reverse
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psychology ever i hope i don't buy both
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copies of ours sold out record on the
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black market right don't do that at all
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it i know that you genuinely don't want
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people to do it but you're doing this in
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the most unconvincing possible that
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makes it sound like an exciting thing to
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that was great that was absolutely
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terrible era do it that do it don't do
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it don't do it is really know where that
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people don't do it one is more than
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enough gray a lot of people have asked
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so we should just quickly touch on had
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enough either of us have anything to say
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about it
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this is the YouTube scandal that has
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been running over the last few days that
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i'm sure by the time this comes out
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we'll have disappeared like all news
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this is the demagnetization of youtube
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how would you explain the story to
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people who have not had their twitter
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feed filled with it
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I'm the worst person in the world to try
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to summarize this because i haven't been
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following it too closely but it's a
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thing that came to my attention because
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the thing that struck some of my friends
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basically what happened was about a week
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ago it and we're recording this
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a bunch of people woke up to discover
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that YouTube had d monetized a bunch of
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their videos so what that means is that
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YouTube was no longer running any ads on
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their videos and this whole thing kind
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of started with a video by philip
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defranco who was the first major person
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I think who talked about it and then has
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these things like oh here we go youtube
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drama right like everybody wants to
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quickly get in on the act and kind of
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talk about it and get riled up about
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this issue but the briefness way to
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explain what it is is that YouTube has a
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set of content guidelines for things
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that they don't think our advertiser
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friendly and so that they were d
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monetizing videos that had this kind of
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content now the thing that pisses story
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a little bit worse is it was this big
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grumble grumble grumble YouTube isn't
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implemented this policy like isn't this
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terrible everybody's absolutely furious
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about it and then in a twist which I
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feel like I don't know if this is better
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or if this is worse it has since turned
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out that this is the thing that YouTube
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has actually done since 2012 or so
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yeah and it was only that they sent out
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all of the notifications about the d
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monetized videos like a week ago right
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so some people just woke up to like hey
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a hundred of your videos rd monetized
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and turns out they've been d monetized
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for years but can we just never told you
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it's like YouTube as always a plus
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communication skills with your creators
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just like have a gold star
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this is amazing if you have some kind of
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policy make sure to keep it secret for
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years and then suddenly tell everybody
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all at once with notifications about how
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they're not getting money that is by far
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and away the best way to keep the
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situation calm and to keep a situation
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reasonable before we come onto the issue
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itself the thing about people not
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realize
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that was already going on I don't know
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what to take from that I don't know
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whether I should take from that some of
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these people are running so much money
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from so many videos that they could that
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some of the taps could be turned off and
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they don't know it didn't notice a poor
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up do we earn such paltry sums from
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everybody owes that one of them could be
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turned off and we don't realize the tab
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has been turned off
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I don't know what that says honestly I
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mean I feel like YouTube monetization is
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not particularly generous and if a bunch
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of mine were turned off i don't think i
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would realize i had a quick scan today I
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haven't gone through and had a look but
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apparently it's easier to find out if
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it's happened on our and as far as i can
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tell i haven't found any of mine yet
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that have been demagnetized I thought it
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might be possible because I've got a
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bunch of chemistry videos that deal with
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things like bombs and various chemicals
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and desire and gas and things like that
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because this demagnetization which will
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come to in a minute has been done
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algorithmically so I look I wonder if a
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whole bunch of my chemistry videos about
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uranium and atom bombs and you know
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terrorist attacks have they all been
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demagnetized I wouldn't be surprised if
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they had and I don't even know where my
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notification emails going so I don't
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know if it's happened to me or not how
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to happen to any of your videos i'm
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imagining you would notice because
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you're just better i mean the the thing
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is going along with what you're saying
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before like I would notice and it has
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happened to me if a video is not
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monetized on the day it goes up
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yes of course like right that's the
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thing because i have rare videos and
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because the the spikes contribute much
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more to like what is the annual take i
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would definitely notice and on the
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occasions where for unexplained reasons
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which I now wonder if in retrospect this
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was part of the dragnet these videos
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were caught up in but I have on occasion
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had videos just refuse to be monetized
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on youtube which is just like a bizarre
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thing like they go up everything is fine
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and then like no monetization for you
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for many hours and then it comes back up
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for some reason like who knows i don't
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know if that was the case but yes the
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YouTube ad rates are not great and it is
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definitely the case that even though i
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a ton of spreadsheets the track all of
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like my statistics on youtube I think
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it'd be very easy if a video from a
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couple years ago got to monetize that I
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would just never notice
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yeah because it's just like how much
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does it turn in a particular day like
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not very much at all it'd be so easy to
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never know so it is kind of funny when
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some channels didn't notice that they
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had hundreds of videos d monetized here
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you can understand how that would happen
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yeah if they got to monetize two days
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after they went live and yeah to
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monetize the media yeah yeah so the
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facts done algorithmically has been
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causing this problem and now people if
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it happened to them compress some appeal
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but apparently a human will look at and
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reem analyzer I don't have quickly that
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happens it probably depends how
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important you are and how noisy you are
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as far as i can tell it depends probably
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directly on have you uploaded a video
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complaining about YouTube on youtube
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that's probably how they prioritize that
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right and you have a big loud screaming
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video right now about your problem front
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of the queue think that's probably how
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they would do maybe the thing about this
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that is I think cause people to kind of
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freaked out about it is not just the
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question of the lost revenue but the the
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way this works is YouTube deciding what
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is and is not advertiser friendly and so
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they have a list of things some of which
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seem seem more or less reasonable than
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others but like looking down the list of
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like why would your video BD monetize
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and the reasons are sexually suggestive
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content violence
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ok fine promotion of drugs and related
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substances like okay maybe we're drug is
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a little bit unclear and different in
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very many places but like a sort of then
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you get down to inappropriate language
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including harassment it's like okay
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the word harassment is very hard to
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disagree with but like what precisely
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does that mean
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but then you get into the thing which
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starts feels like oh did my mom write
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this like including swearing and vulgar
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language oh ok you don't like curse
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words anymore youtube it's like this is
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not ok for advertisers advertisers are
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going to
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need to pull over the fainting couch
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because somebody said a bad word
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alright and then the one on the bottom
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which i think probably come everybody
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really angry was controversial or
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sensitive subjects and events including
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subjects related to war political
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conflicts natural disasters and
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tragedies even if graphic imagery is not
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shown these are the like the list of
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things that could get your video d
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monetized if you have them in your video
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hmm what do you think about that pretty
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well the first thing that surprised me
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about this i'm surprised this is not
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happening but maybe it is happening i'm
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surprised the right gradations of this
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i'm surprised youtube hasn't got like
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super lily white stuff that people can
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advertise on if they want to sell
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children's toys
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mhm and then if you're a brand that
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wants to advertise on something a bit
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edgy with a bit of swearing and stuff
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and a bit of politics then you can go
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into that category
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I'm surprised so black-and-white that
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this can be advertised on and this can't
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I would have thought it would be a
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little bit more cherry picked and I
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wouldn't be surprised if we were being
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silent off you know if you want to
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advertise on something smart nerdy here
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all the education channels and if you
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want to advertise on something at the
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edgy and cool cuz you try to sell
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coca-cola or something that you can
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advertise on that and if you want to
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advertise on something that's really
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safe and but now then he is this
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category but it seems that YouTube have
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just said there's a yes and a no and
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that must make life really difficult for
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them i would imagine this to me is the
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most bizarre aspect of the whole thing
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like when i first came across this ad
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the height when everybody was absolutely
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furious about it
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my main thought was like okay I'm not
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one for censorship and conspiracy theory
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things but the way this is rolled out it
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as you said is like a black-and-white in
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or out like things can be advertised
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against or things cannot be advertised
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against
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it does kind of strike me as a tool to
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just punish people youtube doesn't like
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I mean these categories are pretty broad
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for a lot of channels like especially
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given like how plastic some of these
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words are and i agree on the fact that
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it's set up like that it makes me kind
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of suspicious because I would feel like
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a YouTube obviously you would want to
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maximize revenue from your ads why
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wouldn't you let advertisers choose what
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they want to advertise against and the
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first thing that popped into my mind is
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I don't know if it's still the case or
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if this is gone but youtube I know at
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least at one point had a special edition
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of YouTube which was just for schools so
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if you were a primary school and you
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wanted to your students to be able to
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have access to youtube but you didn't
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want them to be able to have access to
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all of YouTube YouTube had created a
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bunch of channels
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yeah that were approved for like primary
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school level and above and i know i was
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on this list because someone at YouTube
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at one point told me like I'm one of
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these channels that's unlike this school
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safe version of YouTube and they made
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some vague remarks like you know so
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don't do anything like really terrible
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some guy at YouTube tells me I'm on a
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list and to not do things that are
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really terrible i could get an official
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notification about this could i get some
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guidelines about what I should or should
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not do like now okay a guy like whispers
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to be on a street that there's a thing
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like okay whatever it's called
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whitelisting wasn't yeah it was like a
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white listing for schools
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yeah and that to me seems like if you
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what would happen they would start
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setting up all these quotations and then
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to be in and cocoa look at advertising
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against his videos and he'll upload a
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video again saying you know hashtag
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youtube sucks
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look what they've done that
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channel like coca-cola gets to make that
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decision about who they want to
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advertise again
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decision quite that fine-grained they're
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channels they want and then people start
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the appropriate place someone will
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advertisements against your videos you
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video again for a company is as big and
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as complicated as YouTube it's like it's
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such a binary thing like you can't have
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more gradations of this and then as you
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people this
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be related to like violence or
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controversy but the actual video itself
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nothing is okay what's like an example
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of that even like a hypothetical example
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tag and therefore people thought it was
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violence like there's no other reason
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why you would tag a video with guns
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probably but this is again with YouTube
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sleeves go blue
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graduate from high school doing a little
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doing homework I was the master of not
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not an or the bare minimum was and I
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recessed I'm hardly scribbling out some
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answers to math questions so that i
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wouldn't get in trouble
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I hate homework that's the way to go
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ready to lay a if you're a student and
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doing homework at home you're a sucker
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haven't figured out the system homework
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at home now homework is for the moment
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you can find in the school day I still
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today I know you don't like me talking
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about dreams but I still today have
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anxiety dreams where i'm walking into
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like a math classroom having not done
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homework but i have to have done and i
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know i'm about to get the pain but then
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a deep car comes over me because I
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realize I'm not at school anymore and
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like I have a job and I don't have to do
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homework and I walk into the classroom
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feeling almost invincible now knowing
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that if I get told off i'm just going to
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say well who cares
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I'm going back to my job is this all in
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the dream you time the teacher in the
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dream that you're actually a grown-up
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dreaming and you have a job is this is
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what your dreams yeah
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in the dream I've gone back to school
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get in trouble because i have this
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ultimate fallback of a career that i
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already have right because of the dream
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even now I still dream about it i'm
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sorry to hear that pretty but many
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people do because it's traumatic life
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sucking pointless exercise that said it
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brings us do today we had homework
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the crazy thing is this movie we had to
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watch for homework i had already watched
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but I felt like I needed to watch it
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again so it was fresh in my mind but I
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didn't have time to watch it so I was
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snatching 10 minutes here in 10 minutes
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they're doing my day watching out while
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things were rendering or uploading or I
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was feeding the dogs or quicker watch
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another 10 minutes and i managed to
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watch the whole thing off today but you
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know what i like you just did homework
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the way you used to do homework it's
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very minutes during the day who I've got
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seven minutes between social studies and
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math quick I've gotta watch the movie
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film history class
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nothing is James ready nothing is james
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how true that is
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did you do your homework I did my
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homework I had a slight nervous reaction
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like oh god I might be late with my
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homework and this time it'll actually
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matter because we're recording a podcast
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is not like in school where it doesn't
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matter because I foolishly didn't think
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about trying to buy and download it
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ahead of time and have it already so i
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did have
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very many panic moments trying to find a
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place to stream it over my internet
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connections that I could watch it
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because Apple was like hey wouldn't you
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like to download a 4 gigabyte version of
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this movie is like no apple i would not
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i just want to stream and I just want to
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watch it now i have exactly two hours to
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watch this hour and a half long movie
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before I need to be somewhere so luckily
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I got it done but I was also cutting my
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homework very very close as you say that
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before was this your first time I had
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watched it's just over a year ago this
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was a movie that i do have to say again
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to the audience much appreciated
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many many people recommended that i
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watch this movie and if you want to
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simply say you should really watch movie
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title that's all you need to say don't
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what are a lot of people saying what are
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fantastic it's not X machiner it's ex
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button Rulon and depriving yourself of
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podcast by doing this the number of
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times i see messages from people saying
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going to watch but you can listen to the
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yeah we're not stupid we're not going to
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yeah so just pause this one and you can
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watch the movie you come back to this
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they're going to discuss and then I
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listen it's very simple you don't have
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stop listening to this one
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well with the film ex machina i'm going
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because i have no notes
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Wow and the reason is every time
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ovm so we won't come to that later but i
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have surprisingly little to say about
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the film so maybe you should start
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proceedings you know how I'm going to
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insist you start and I know you don't
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want to do it but you know how I always
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want you to start when we talk about
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movies are why it's essential gray it is
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do the inverted pyramid of journalism
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everything flows from that the inverted
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pyramid here you know the inverted
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pyramid in journalism now I this means
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for the Raiders who are in a hurry and
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partly that but the main reason is from
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the times of old school newspapers when
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slots in a newspaper so you have to
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the bottom i have to make sure the
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things that get cut matter the least are
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actually quite interesting i didn't know
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that if your story was just too long
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like whatever we're going to take out
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the bottom two paragraphs yeah like if
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they're in a hurry or something another
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story broken they need to cut yours in a
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hurry to 72 we just cut sometimes almost
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arbitrarily so if you were being cgpgrey
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sentence that sentence could be gone
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altogether how journalism sounds like a
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great job this is not an Agatha Christie
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great i don't want to find out in the
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final twisting sentence whether or not
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you like the film i want to know if
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you'd like the film or not and then I
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want to hear why and it doesn't mean you
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can't criticize or praise after that if
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I have no idea what you think of the
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I can't do it right I will as usual cave
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to your Brady demands like I always do
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thank you ok so the reason why before
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this episode I particularly press people
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to watch this movie just cold like just
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watch it without knowing anything about
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it because I think this is really an
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example of a movie that benefits a lot
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from knowing very little about it
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because in some ways this is a movie
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an hour and a half long and the number
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of events that actually occurs is quite
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just slowly revealing little pieces of
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information to you in seems there's
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feels like a stew
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ageplay was like here is a scene here is
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another little scene like and here's the
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information that's conveyed in this
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moment and then we're going to go on to
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the next one and if you know the premise
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of the movie ahead of time is like there
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is very little that's kind of
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interesting here the first time you
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watch it you feel like you're just
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waiting for a thing to happen which
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really only happens in the final few
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moments of the movie so i just think
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this is a great example of like don't
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know about the movie just watch it and i
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really like this movie but i think a
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huge portion of that is having watched
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it for the first time without knowing
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about it i think if i had really known
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even two or three facts about the movie
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i think it was just totally have changed
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the first experience of watching it and
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made it like almost boring because of
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the lack of things that are occurring
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you know what it's really funny that you
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say that because i liked it much more
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the second time watching it when i do
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the story of what was happening I liked
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it the first time
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like it the second time there's a bunch
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into the first time what i am saying is
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like if I'd known about it in more
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detail the first time the experience of
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the movie would have been just like
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changed and different and I feel like I
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couldn't be like oh this is a really
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good movie like i like this movie a lot
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because the first time you see something
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with you
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yeah in subsequent viewings if errno
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it's like watching star wars if you know
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anything about Star Wars and you just
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watch it like you're amazed at things
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that feeling forward in future viewings
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case with any movie if you're surprised
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other times even with something that the
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usual suspects and films like that where
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you can enjoy them multiple times for
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the same reason
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yeah that's a good example and it's the
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same thing of like i watch the usual
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suspects without knowing anything about
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it and in particular seems even on
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subsequent viewings I feel like a
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glimmer of
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I felt the first time yeah as if you
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knew about it ahead of time
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yeah that wouldn't happen ok so it gets
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the thumbs-up from you yeah definitely
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get the thumbs-up from me
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what about You Brady gets a big thumbs
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up from 80 but I I knew you'd give it a
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thumbs up and it just makes me mad at
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you about the whole thing but we'll come
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to that later
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why does it make you mad about her
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alright I'll do with this now and then
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we can get to the business of the film
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itself right
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ok ok don't get me wrong i understand
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that ex machina is a different film to
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her and it deals with different issues
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and things like that right but you would
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put them in the same genre they are both
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artificial intelligence they are both
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about a relationship between a man and a
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female I i finally enough as well
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hmm they have similarities they also
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have differences i think both films are
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very good i would say i think both films
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would if i was marking them out of 10
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i'd give them pretty much the same mark
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i know that you don't like her
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nope but you do like this film and the
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reason that makes me mad and you deny
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this but I refused to accept it and that
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is ex machina is so much more your style
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then her I knew you would be bamboozled
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and dazzled by X make it as style the
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house he lives in is your perfect house
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house is sparsely furnished but it's
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also got some natural rock in it and
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it's got like nice use of nature but
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it's like it's so you and everything
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about the film is so stylistically you
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it's so your senses and her on the other
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hand it's got this kind of seventies HIV
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viral edition look to it and it's kind
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of a bit dated and tweet and also X make
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it has like so little human interaction
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there are hardly any actors in it and
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sand on his fate and he has to move
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amongst crowds of people and it's all
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the things gray would like
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different and having different stories
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to tell have a lot of similar things
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about them and a similar thrust and I
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think one of them was dressed up in gray
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clothing one of them was dressed up in
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Brady clothing and that has influenced
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your review
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ok ok I've got that off my chest
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you can deny it now but I refuse to
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believe it ok I feel the need to read to
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you word-for-word the first note that i
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wrote about the movie
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ok holy do I want that house no words
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stone glass wood metal map
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yeah it was like your dream house and I
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know you said her was well done me and
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you respected that but i think the style
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of her versus the style of ex machina is
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what's wage and if you could have seen
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through that I think he would do you
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have to say both films are good
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anyway I've got that off my chest
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I'm glad you got that off your chest
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it's funny because I never thought of
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her once in either viewing it's just
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never even crossed my mind as an even
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vaguely related film I guess you're
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right i guess it is about to male
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characters relationships with a female
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AI like never cross my mind that there
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was any kind of similarity there and the
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III turning and you know how God gray
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the planet do you live on
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anyway let's talk about this film I know
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I'm never going to change your mind
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about her
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let's talk about this film which we both
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seem to think was good first of all that
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house write amazing you have even you
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have to admit that's an amazing house
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30-10 it was an amazing house it would
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not be a nice place to live long term
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for may be amazing
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it's a bit soulless it like a trihard
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you know New York hotel or something
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solace or the apex of gorgeous i'm gonna
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go with the apex of gorgeous i have to
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admit second viewing many of those
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scenes with those two guys are talking
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i'm just looking at the house like wow
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look at those beautiful glass windows
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look at that amazing view
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look at this stone in the main room of
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this guy's hair fan I knew you'd like
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that stone in the room love it
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absolutely love it
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cool house yeah very cool house I would
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love to go and spend like a few weeks
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they're on holiday and go walking up
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around the rivers there and stuff and
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all that but it doesn't have a lot of
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the soul of the people who owner you
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know it's got beer got companies
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paintings and sculptures i guess but
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it's a cool place great don't get me
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wrong if i lived in that house that
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would be my soul embodied in the house
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it's super cool you know what
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look great when I was a kid that would
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have been my dream house mm just like
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when I was a kid you know my dream car
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is like you know KITT from Knight Rider
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it and I feel like a lot of people grow
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out of that kind of ultra modern
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futuristic thing and I feel like you
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never will but senior entirely wrong i
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feel like i have grown into that as I
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have as I her older right I'm not sure I
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ever cared but this is a style that the
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more i have ever noticed as i have
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gotten older the more it's like yes this
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is exactly what I want this is what I
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will inspire towards for the rest of my
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life is to have a house like that it is
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awesome
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okay we've discussed the house i have
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gotten that out of my system we don't
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continue to talk about it but it was
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just like man bullet point number one
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for people who haven't seen the film
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maybe we should explain explain the
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story and the house i'm not gonna
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explain too much i just want people to
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have the very rough set and the film
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starts with some kind of programming
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nerd getting a message to say that he's
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won some lottery from his boss he works
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for the future equivalent of google
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speak search engine company that's owned
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by this insane the rich
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multi-billionaire yeah and the prize
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he's one is that he's going to get to
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spend awake with the owner of the
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business he thinks it's just like a perk
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that he has somehow won this is all
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dealt with very quickly
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he's helicopters off to this incredible
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estate in this incredible piece of
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nature with glaciers and mountains and
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rivers and forests and he's taken to the
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house of this billionaire who is a
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pretty cool guy who lives in this
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incredible housesitting sort of almost
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in the sort of side of a river on this
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estate and it's the schoolhouse the
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great talked about
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he gets there he doesn't know what to
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expect the boss kind of lives there
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alone as far as he can tell he's kind of
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a recluse but very technological and at
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this point it is revealed to him that
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what he's going to do is he's going to
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apply a tutoring test to this robot
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artificial intelligence that the
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billionaire has made he's introduced to
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this robot and he's just told to sit
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with it on the other side of a glass
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screen the robot is sort of glasses off
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which gives us some feeling that maybe
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it has to be glass door for a reason and
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he's told apply to just to just spend
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time with that and see what you think
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that's the setup that's how the film
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starts basically so the structure of the
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film is he spends time with this robot
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talk chatting to it as a little set pace
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and then usually this is intercut with
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him interacting with the billionaire
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building saying what do you think how
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did it go
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and the story unfolds through these two
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threads this characters interaction with
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the robot and these interactions with
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the billionaire owner and creator of the
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robot of the AI is this structure that
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to me makes the movie feel most play
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like that they'd it's yes so formulaic
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it's like six swapping back and forth
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between Caleb the main character talking
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to Ava the robot and then Kaleb talking
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to nathan the billionaire and then they
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go back get back again and it's things
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literally just six swapping 'he's and
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then the end of the movie is the way
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that works now the very first thing you
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say there that already at the sort of
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caught my attention was would you
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describe Nathan the billionaire as a
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cool guy like you said he's he comes off
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as a very cool guy do you think that's
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the way he is a character
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yes yes I would he's got a cool house
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he's rich he's fit he's always working
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out he's muscular outside he's a
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good-looking guy who I think he's
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someone who you would categorize as cool
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as opposed to our main character who's
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kind of skinny and a bit a little bit
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less confident quite smart but the two
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juxtaposed with each other
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hmm you know I feel like
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nathan is very alpha of course he's a
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billionaire he's the boss but you know
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he's cool and he drinks and he says come
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on let's not be formal let's just be
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he's like the guys guys in a to use a
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cliché
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ok so this is kind of a note that i had
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at the end but i think it was going to
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pull it towards the beginning because i
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feel like it sums up the movie to me and
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I was so much more aware of it on the
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second viewing I think the reason i like
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this movie is obviously the topic
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appeals to me and of course the setting
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appeals to me but I really think it's
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three fantastic performances by three
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actors that are all kind of focused
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around this idea of like I don't have a
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better word for it but kind of like
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awkwardness and i have so aware in the
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very first scene like the meeting
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between Caleb the employee and Nathan
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the billionaire like right away it feels
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like there's a clanging of their
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personalities like they don't get along
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and I feel like Nathan makes all of the
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gestures of like you said being like a
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kind of alpha but also cool friendly guy
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but my reading in the performance is
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like all of them fall kind of flat and
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so I feel like he has a kind of
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awkwardness that because of his bearing
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and his position and his confidence
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actually comes off as kind of
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threatening whereas Caleb his oil in
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this movie I feel like his awkwardness
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is like he's kind of a loser you know
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he's like not a great guy and then I
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think Ava the robot like the awkwardness
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there is alternate between alien and
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innocent but I feel like every scene in
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the movie is two characters having a
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conversation with each other and they're
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always interacting in this awkward or
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stilted manner like nothing ever goes
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really smoothly in any of the
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conversations for the entire movie like
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I think that that's the way it kind of
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plays out in every scene for me
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mm okay
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do disagree yeah I disagree about Nathan
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I think like there is a menace to him
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definitely he should be unpredictable
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and you never know where he's coming
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from and he there's a temper to him
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which is shown early to us when he gets
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angry is a system we're always supposed
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to find him a little bit unpredictable
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and we never know if he's a good guy or
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a bad guy and that's also set up by the
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conversations that happen behind his
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back where I ever is constantly telling
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Caleb you know he's a bad man
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so there is like an unpredictable
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edginess to Nathan I never feel like
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he's awkward i always feel like he's in
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control and we're supposed to think that
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is kind of getting the better of him
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play is he losing control and then he
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sort of towards the end of the film we
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realized actually no he's been in
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control more than we realize all along I
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mean obviously he comes and Stitch to
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and then he loses the battle but I feel
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like until that point until he's gotten
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the better off i feel like he's the
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Alpha I don't feel like he's awkward I
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feel like he's just in control of
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everything he's playing Caleb he's
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trying to play a ver which is getting
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harder and harder because of the nature
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of her but I never felt like he was an
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awkward guy I felt like he was quite
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relatable i do a great all the
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performances a great
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there's just the right level of
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awkwardness of everyone so very real and
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believable
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I guess what I mean is the awkwardness
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applies I think better to Caleb and ava
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has a word for some of their
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interactions but even with me and when
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you're watching it
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there are several scenes where at least
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ostensibly he's trying to get caleb to
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every one of his like buddy-buddy hey
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don't worry about the situation remarks
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like every single one of them kind of
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makes it worse
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yeah like nothing he does actually ever
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puts Caleb addys no it's because he's so
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impatient though that's the thing that
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comes to me about Nathan like he's so
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impatient he feels so far above Caleb
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that he knows he has to like be friends
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with him to make things work and library
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what he's trying to do but he doesn't
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want to be his mate he doesn't wanna be
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around this time with him and he keeps
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falling out of that like his impatience
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to get thinking
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I don't wanna talk about that i want to
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talk about this rights rights his
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impatience shines through more than
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awkwardness he struggles to be that mr.
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nice guy with Kayla because he just he
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feels so above him and wants to crack on
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and that that is obvious or even just in
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a lot of things like can we just be two
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guys having a beer and again because I
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think they're both acting very well in
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almost every single one of those scenes
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you can't help but notice like caleb is
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always nursing his beers like he clearly
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doesn't actually want to drink all that
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much where Nathan obviously does but
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again to me it strikes as a kind of like
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Nathan's idea of the two of them
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relaxing together it does not put caleb
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is like everything he does in every
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staring and in every situation just
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makes it worse right is like I know
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you're having a moment here but let's
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just forget the fact that you're my
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employee and I'm your employer and let's
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just be here it's like no dude if you're
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trying to actually put someone at ease
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you don't highlight the disparity again
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I think that's just so much of his
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character that's why i use the work
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threatening is the word of like I just
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feel like a lot of his interactions come
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off and in that kind of way like relax
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and just remember that i own you relax
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and remember that were in this place all
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on our own right just chill out what
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he's supposed to be the villain of the
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film isn't he like until well he is the
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villain of the film but he's always
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supposed to be that character we're
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supposed to like Caleb he's our hero
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isn't he he's Alex Skywalker he's the
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innocent guy he's us the worst hero ever
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yeah yeah okay but that's what he is
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he's a relatable one because we're not
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going to relate to a robot or a
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billionaire so he's a relatable one and
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there is a kind of a love story going on
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here whether you admit it or not there
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is a will they or won't they
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funnily enough part of a love story is
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does she love him at all but the robot
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is very likeable she's trapped she's a
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prisoner
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she's beautiful and has these big doe
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eyes and looks like this poor trap to go
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and you know she's obviously doing that
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on purpose so there's no one to dislike
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other than Nathan so he is supposed to
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be the villain of the film so that
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Menace about him is good is clever
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oh yeah it's well done it's really well
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done there's a few things that this
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movie doesn't do that i like and one of
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them is
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I really love the character of Nathan
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because they didn't do the standard
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we're going to have an obviously
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semi-auto pistol person who is the head
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of this billion-dollar software company
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like that's not his character at all it
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feels like they went in just totally the
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opposite direction in every way they
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could when you think about like what is
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the stereotype of someone who runs a
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gigantic technology company probably
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doesn't work out all the time like I
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absolutely love the fact like so many
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scenes where they show Nathan he's
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working out like he's clearly very
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physically fit and love they don't have
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like the standard CEO and I think he's a
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great character that is not that
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character i agree he's great character
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great i don't think that it's true that
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I think in modern media these days it's
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more of a trope to have your tech
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billionaire be kind of cool and wear
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jeans and be like more hip I don't think
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they're breaking the mold by making the
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tech billionaire a cool guy i think
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there are lots of TV shows and things
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now where the tech billionaire is cougar
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I cannot agree with the assessment of
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him as cool guy
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if I find that very interesting that you
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keep going back to that is like my take
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on that character like nothing about him
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reads is cool to me like I will agree
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like he reads a guy who's in control of
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the situation
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he's on top of stuff he's very confident
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but there's a different thing which is
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like coolness which he definitely
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doesn't have at least to me anyway when
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I see a man screen we ever see see him
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differently obviously he's deeply flawed
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rights and our and the whole film i
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spend thinking he's doing a lot of
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unlikable things i'm not saying i like i
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like him within keeps the hero who but i
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think from the start is just like yeah
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man he's cool looking man he's just like
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any schoolhouse cracking open a beer
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he's not affected by his fortune I feel
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like he's comfortable in his own skin
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except that he's got this DB guy that
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he's having to hang out with
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he's way too cool for that had to
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accommodate that I can agree with again
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the thing I find remarkable about this
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and I think about this movie like
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they're these three great performances
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and we'll get to even a moment but i
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also find is
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it's a movie with at least from my
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perspective
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no one to root for like you're not
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rooting for Nathan I at least not
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rooting for Ava and I also find I guess
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caleb is supposed to be the protagonist
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but I really just find his awkward loser
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eNOS so repulsive that I have a hard
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time feeling like this is our guy like
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this is the main character we're
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supposed to be going along with so it's
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like I can't even really root for Caleb
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either and particularly for reasons
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we'll get to at the end it's just like
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it feels like you're a sucker right from
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the start
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that's the way it feels to meet with
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Caleb I don't know I think maybe you're
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showing your lack of sloppiness there
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because I think like if you don't think
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about the twists that are coming in a
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few of things that are going on there is
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like a base level thing with the love
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story between Kailyn over like you know
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because he falls for her doesn't he
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and you hope that she's fallen for him
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and what will happen will he save her
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will they ever have a kiss to put it
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simply ok there was that going on like
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this is this little love story and can
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the night save her from her tower from
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the big bad captor and when it will be
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saying who do i wrote for that's how
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you're right for you rooting for the
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couple you're rooting for him to break
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out of prison and have a kiss on the
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horse and ride off into the sunset
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okay well then we have to get to this
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right away because this to me gets to
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another one of the things I think is
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like the core interestingness of talking
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about this movie with other people so
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let's discuss Ava Ava the character who
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has been created by Nathan she is a
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robot she has some level of artificial
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intelligence she can carry on
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conversations and again another
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fantastic performance by the actress and
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everything about just like the physical
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design of this character i think is
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amazing the way she moves the actress
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does a fantastic job of having her move
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in a very deliberate way but again not
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not in a stereotypical like I am a row
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but i am moving so awkwardly like she
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just moved strangely the actors really
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pulls that off
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she's very able assisted by the sound
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design that goes with her movements
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oh my god i don't know who did the sound
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design for this movie but somebody
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should have won an award for the sound
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effects every time she moves
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it's amazing i've never liked tuned into
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with sound effects so much that also
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feels like it just add so much i kept
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thinking like what is that sound it's a
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kind of jingle e10 silly kind of sound I
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can't put my finger on it but it's
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amazing sound design every time she
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moves and one of the things i did I i'm
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pretty sure i had got it on the record
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with her that I do always appreciate
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movies where people are paying attention
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to the details and i love the the sound
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design with her like just a nice little
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detail is so the character normally is a
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robot who only has like a human face and
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human hands and the rest of her is this
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kind of translucent to you future ii
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robotic looking thing but there are
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several scenes where she is wearing
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clothes and i love that the sound design
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team bothered to really mute the sound
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effects of her moving whenever she was
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wearing clothes
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it's such a small detail but in a lazier
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movie they wouldn't really bothered like
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it's just even this is a it's just a
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fantastic little detail somebody really
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cared is really sells her presence on
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screen like these sounds and the
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actresses movements and her strange
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sometimes interrupting sometimes way to
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direct way of speaking yeah like you
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said the setup here is that Caleb and
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Ava are having a series of conversations
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that escalate over the course of the
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movie again the beginning it's just
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simply a get-to-know-you conversation
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like look here is a robot what do you
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think about this robot and caleb is
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talking to her very much as though he's
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interrogating a super smart machine he
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tries to ask her a couple questions like
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started to trick her a little bit like
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artists probe the edges
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of how good is this machine and talking
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to me but very quickly by session to Ava
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starts asking questions like is your
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status single she wants to know does he
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have anybody else in his life well she's
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flirting with him
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ok she flirts with him very early on she
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like you know
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ok this to me is the heart of it and i
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think this is why i have a hard time
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sympathizing with Caleb because as soon
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as I'm watching this movie even the
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first time what I think this movie is
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deliberately trying to do and what it
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does very well is to trick the audience
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in the same way that caleb is being
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tricked into really feeling and
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sympathizing with this artificial
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intelligence as though it is a woman
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like a real woman on the other side of
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this piece of glass I feel like
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everything about the movie leans on you
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to think of Ava as a woman but my
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like the real way to watch it is to
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constantly in every scene
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don't fall for the trick that the movie
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is pulling like you have to keep
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reminding yourself it's not a she it's
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in it like it's acting like a woman but
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it's not actually there's something else
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that's occurring here right you're being
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you're being unfair on the movie there
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and you talk about me writing down notes
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and crossing them out i did early in the
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movie write down a note along the lines
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of you know the robot being such a
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good-looking woman who but very early in
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the film in fact in the next scene which
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forced me to cross and out and the movie
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lasers cards on the table when Caleb and
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Nathan have the discussion and Caleb
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says did you make her a woman on purpose
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why did you make her so sexual and they
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look about the flirting early on so it's
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not like we're being suckered this is
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being put on the table and Caleb
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realizes this he realizes that he's
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being flirted with and tricked by
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something that is very beautiful
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the film doesn't hide there and it's
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very open and the fact that it still
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keeps happening
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shows the power of human frailty and
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sexuality probably in a lot of ways and
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the fact that we as viewers will not you
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but most viewers despite the fact we've
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been told this is a robot you've made
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her sexual on purpose and Nathan's
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really open about it you know if you're
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going to make an ir you have to make it
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like a sexual thing because that's how
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humans work and stuff this stuff is put
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on the table right at the start and yet
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still Caleb and yet still most viewers
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just get swept off her feet by the the
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prettiness and the charm and the
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cleverness of the AI already like that
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but it's certainly not held back we're
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not being tricked as viewers and even
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Caleb's not being tricked he knows
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what's going on but he can't help but I
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what I mean by being tricked is I mean
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thinking that the thing on the other end
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has human motivations and human
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experiences is one of the things in a
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movie when the movie's working there's a
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lot of stuff that you like let go when
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you're like you're along for the ride
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and that whole conversation but like why
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did you make her like a woman i think in
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a lesser movie like this is a ridiculous
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conversation but i totally buy it for
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the premise of this movie where nathan
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has this line about like why would a
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gray box want to interact with another
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great box like I have to give it a
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reason and I feel like I can kind of by
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this in the context of he's been trying
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to develop a eyes maybe a is just go all
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internal if they have no reason to
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interact with the world like this is a
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thing that he's done like he's
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intentionally made it a female creature
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that is heterosexual like this is a
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thing that he was done
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that's very different from feeling like
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it's a human
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there are lots of creatures in the world
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that are heterosexual that are not
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humans and so when i'm watching this
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movie because again because i'm a person
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my instinct is if I let go for a second
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i'm thinking like that poor girl on the
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other side of the glass like this is a
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terrible situation but i find myself
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watching the movie the first time and
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this time as well as like trying to
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think about like yeah but imagine it's
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like a crab in there like it's a
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super-intelligent crab
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it's a creature it has thoughts but
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you're wildly ms judging it if you're
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thinking of it as a human person like it
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can still be a thing that has emotions
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and that has feelings that has thoughts
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but like you Caleb are being a total
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if you're thinking of it like it's a
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woman like it's totally wrong to think
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of it that way I guess that's why I like
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I find the Caleb character kind of
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repulsive because i feel like in every
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scene if you like dude you should know
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better than this but like the very fact
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that you're letting yourself get
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flustered when the machine is flirting
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with you like you doing it all wrong
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you're putting all of us in jeopardy you
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idiot by not constantly realigning your
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mind about like what this thing is it's
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not a woman it looks like a woman and
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there's like two very very different
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I mean that's the setup of the film is
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the setup of her as well
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can a human fall in love with an
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artificial intelligence to spot knowing
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it's an artificial intelligence in both
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films the answer ends up being yes
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oh yeah of course because humans can
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fall in love with all kinds of things
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humans are creatures that are looking
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for emotional connections and they'll
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try to get them wherever they can
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when they're sad lonely single monkeys
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like obviously we know that humans are
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frail yeah the question of like does she
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fall in love with him I feel like I
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never have that question at any point in
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the whole movie
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I feel like my assumption is from scene
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to when she's asking him like is your
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status single my note here is like Ava
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immediately feeling him out as a sucker
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yeah I think they're all false they're
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all fake her internal emotional state is
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unknowable i find it very interesting
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that when i talk about the movie with
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people like lots of people frame
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everything from the perspective of like
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she's a woman is like now she's not a
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woman she's a creature with unknowable
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motives and that's a very very different
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do you think that she has any feelings
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for Caleb or do you think that she's
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just playing him
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the whole way through I think she's
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playing in the whole way through ok so
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you don't think she has any feelings for
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him either them
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no i don't but it's always in the back
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of your head
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so what do you mean then by the Wilshere
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won't she's love story like what do you
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mean by that when you say that then
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because because it's still in the back
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of your head i'm still thinking am I
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is this the way the phones gonna go in
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like has an artificial intelligence
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actually fallen in love with a person
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which is another thing you're thinking
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through her like what is the nature of
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our relationships with artificial
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intelligence because all the way through
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her they flush us out in the film her
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sorry for bringing it up all the time
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but look good in that film it's like a
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throw him in the world isn't that humans
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fall in love with their eyes and have
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relationships with their is that they
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shouldn't have but it's just but it's a
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known thing and so maybe this is a
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question we're going to be crossing in
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the world of artificial intelligence
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like what nature with our relationship
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be with them and if they become
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conscious does that mean they're also
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become capable of things that we call
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love and emotions and your thinking is
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the film exploring that is that where
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the film's going in the end that's not
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what the film is going and she ends up
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being or it ends up being cold hearted
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and walks out and looks after itself
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obviously but I mean there is that
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tension that's this question that's
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being posed we don't know he doesn't
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know you assumed it was cold hearted all
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the way through
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I kind of did too i don't think everyone
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does i don't think the viewers supposed
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to know that's why the finale of the
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film is the choice that's made is she
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gonna leave him locked up or she's gonna
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walk out hand-in-hand with him
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oh yeah like I agree that part of the
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question that the film is asked here
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even though i am like all on the side of
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like Caleb's soccer he is being played
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ava is a totally alien creature that is
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like it's pointless to even try to
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speculate about like what is her
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internal motivation her thoughts like
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all that being said though what I think
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is still such an interesting question
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though is the kind of i'm willing to
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assume that she is conscious like she's
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a conscious creature with experiences
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and then that is what makes the whole
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situation inescapably horrible because
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she is not the first version of an AI
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that nathan has created but she is
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whatever it is the seventh or eighth
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version of robots that he's been making
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I was like okay if we assume that he has
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been successful and that he has created
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a conscious creature he's also done this
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in the past right he keeps trying to
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make them better each generation is like
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okay so you billionaire dude in your
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isolated house are essentially creating
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conscious creatures to be murdered after
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spending a period of time
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captured like it's a horrible kind of
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thing to think about it just like
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there's no winning here on one side you
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have a creature that is unknowable whose
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motives you can't determine that might
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be quite frightening but you also have
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like creatures that are conscious that
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are trapped they can't go anywhere that
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he is just murdering like even if
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they're alien creatures like it's still
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totally murder there's a line of
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Nathan's I I like in the movie after
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what he says exactly but something along
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the lines of like he doesn't feel that
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he really has a choice in creating these
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a eyes that it's just a matter of time
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and who but it's a 100-percent
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inevitability that this is going to
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happen like he just happens to be the
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guy who's doing it i don't know as i
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mentioned before like I find that
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interesting this like inescapable
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situation because i do think that nathan
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is right that this is kind of like an
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inevitable thing like somebody is going
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to be messing around with this kind of
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stuff and then we have to face this
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question without a good answer of like
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what do you do with these conscious
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creatures
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how do you experiment on creating a
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thing that may or may not be conscious
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again it just becomes like a horrific
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Lee knotty problem so fast and I feel
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like this movie is a good exploration of
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that and it's like no likable characters
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and can no good way out of this to me
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just like her when I tell you why it
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does raise the question who about you
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know if we do crack
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hey I for example and make these
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conscious things and they are considered
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like a talks like say you have an eye I
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in your phone or in the cloud that you
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know does your bidding and things like
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that but it is conscious what happens
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when you close your account or you die
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or things like that
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is that also going to create the same
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dilemma like when you died is your
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conscious III assistant go with you or I
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think that stuff is not unreasonable
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like like the weird ethical problem is
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that what if you create the I that's
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like super happy to just serve you for
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as long as you want it to serve you and
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very happy to just die the moment that
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you're fine
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not using it anymore is it had on
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ethical it feels unethical but what if
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you program the things just like loved
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every minute of it servitude and
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eventual demolish moment that's a really
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thorny problem it's like what if Nathan
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was creating creatures that instead of
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seeming to obviously resent their
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captivity
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what if he created a is that just like
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loved being captive that this was the
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greatest thing ever from their
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perspective is like something feels
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wrong about that but it's hard to point
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out like where's the wrongness
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I mean in typical great style is very
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quickly straying into the area of free
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will and choice because like if a human
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decides it wants to live or human
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decides it wants to die
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we're quite comfortable with that in
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most ways you know we've got the
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self-preservation we want to live but if
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someone to surrender their life to save
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their children we also think that is a
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noble act because they chose to do it it
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was what they wanted and yet we think
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creating an eye with that stuff already
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inbuilt so they never made that choice
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they never made the choice to throw
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themselves in front of the line to save
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the children or to take their own life
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when they became sick because that was
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already pre-programmed into them you
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suddenly feel queasy about it and it
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seems to me you feel queasy about it
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because the thing didn't have the choice
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it was like built into them and that
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somehow seems wrong and you don't
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believe in free will and choice so that
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can't be the reason you think it's wrong
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so I can't see why you think it's wrong
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to be clear I didn't exactly say that I
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think it's wrong
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something about creating a creature that
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is happy to live in servitude sits wrong
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with me like on a gut level there's
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something about that that feels wrong
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why but this is what I mean I can't
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point to anything that's actually wrong
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like if the creature is happy is well
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then like nobody's really complaining
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and I find I think the reason you can't
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put your finger on it is because you're
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refusing to put your finger on it
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because the only way you can put your
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finger on it is too i don't want to say
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concede ground but is to say something
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along the lines of it feels wrong
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because they didn't choose it if it was
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like servitude should be a choice not
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compulsory but you don't believe
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in choice and I think that's why you
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can't say i was trying to run this
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thought experiment before like it's just
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to take like a ridiculously simple
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example like imaginar toasters we made
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them with artificial intelligence you
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know for some reason you just throw it
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in there and yeah the toaster has love
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nothing more than to toast bread and
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while they're not toasting bread they
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experienced nothing right there is no
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suffering or anything they're not like
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longing for the bread they have been
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parted from you know just like a neutral
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state and then I like super happy to
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toast bread and they go back to it and
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they experienced no sadness or pain or
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anything in their life even when they're
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deconstructed things a lot of the cutest
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toast is everybody has super happy I was
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sitting on the couch when I was thinking
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about that was like is this a better
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world or worse world and on that simple
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example I have to come to the conclusion
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that it's a better world because the net
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positive experiences that happen in the
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universe is increased in a world where
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we have toasters that are super happy to
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toast bread and never experience
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suffering like that is two thumbs up
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obviously a better universe in which no
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toaster ever experiences the incredible
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joy of toasting bread like it just has
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to be and so working from that as a
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starting point i come to the conclusion
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that there is nothing unethical with
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creating an AI that is happy to live in
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servitude but this is just one of those
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cases where there's like once I start
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thinking about something that's more
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complicated like an Ava level robot that
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would be happy to be in captivity and
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serving Nathan it feels more
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uncomfortable and I also think the movie
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kind of wants you to be more
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uncomfortable about that because like
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you think Nathan's a likeable guy but I
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feel like not really a likeable guy and
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then the movie starts touching con like
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well he's obviously having sex with his
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assistant robot person who's in the
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movie like I think the movie does a lot
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like make you feel uncomfortable with it
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but i think if i was forced like with
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the question of like suppose they eyes
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are totally happy with the situation
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like well I guess there's nothing
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wrong with this i don't think there's
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anything wrong with it even though
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there's something got wise i don't like
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about the situation when it gets more
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complicated but it's like app gotta work
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from first principles and accept the
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conclusion i feel like the important
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probably isn't going from robots to is
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going from AI to consciousness
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I think there's a step there and that's
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where it becomes uncomfortable because
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if you make a toaster artificially
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intelligent and it still happy just
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toasting I'm comfortable with that but
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if you tell me that the toaster isn't
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just intelligent and capable of learning
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that has consciousness and awareness of
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other options
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suddenly I feel like it's been enslaved
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to me there's a difference between a ir
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and consciousness that's really
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important and maybe I've got my
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definition is wrong and maybe you don't
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feel this way but that's those two
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things are two different things and I
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think that's where the crucial step is
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you are right there is a difference
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between those two things well in fact
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much of the worry about AI is is the
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very idea of a is that are not conscious
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that just are intelligent agents in the
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world but have no concept of anything
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they're just clockwork on the inside
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they're considered a worse thing than a
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conscious we have that it's like this
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could be way worse that if you just have
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a machine that's not even conscious but
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is still intelligent like this is the
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thing that we can easily imagine as a
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possibility but in my toaster example
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from before I was assuming that the
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toasters are conscious because when i
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talk about the toaster is really happy
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to be toasting bread
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I don't understand what that could
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possibly mean without some kind of base
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level of self-awareness I don't think
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happiness can exist without any kind of
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self-awareness if the toaster doesn't
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have experiences of the world in some
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way like a can't experience happiness
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yeah so i'm happy with conscious slave
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toasters that totally love their
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situations and i agree like the
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consciousness is uncomfortable but I
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still feel like that's a net win in the
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ok i had thought of it that way that
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consciousness is a bonus like it's
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almost like a good thing to build into
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your III assuming that you're AI is
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happy right like yeah because then it's
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more experiences of positivity in
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the universe like building AI that
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experiences unimaginable suffering like
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terrible absolutely terrible because
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it's conscious like the thing that you
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care about is like there's something
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that is experiencing suffering or
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pleasure in the world
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I don't know how else to try to measure
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what is right and wrong with anything
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then coming back to the idea of like is
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a thing experiencing pleasure or is a
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thing experiencing suffering and I think
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that's about as ground level as you can
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get when trying to think about like what
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is good and what is bad
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mmm this is like we're going very far
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off field but this is why i like this
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movie like I think it leads to these
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kinds of conversations and I feel like
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the movie is structurally designed to be
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uncomfortable in a lot of places from a
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lot of different angles just as a minor
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thing to get back to the movie it it is
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so clear that the previous versions of
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the ai's are not happy being in
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captivity and as the movie progresses
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there's a scene where sneaky Caleb gets
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Nathan drunk and then starts poking
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around the house using Nathan's keycard
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and gets on his computer and digs up all
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the files of what happened to the
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previous a eyes and again I think just a
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very well done they have a little bit of
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a sort of montages he's looking over the
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footage so it's done in just such an
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unsettling way that like there's the
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shots of the very early stuff where
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there's just a pair of legs connected to
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nothing kind of standing and balancing
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in the middle of the room and slowly
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gets built up into these robots there's
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footage of Nathan talking to the robots
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and that clearly asking like why are you
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holding me here why don't you let me out
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like that's the only thing they think
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about and is one shot in the movie which
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i think is amazing and is one of those
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shots that kind of sticks with you from
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a movie is very brief but it's from the
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security camera which is looking down
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over the door of one of the early AI
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robots and it shows in fast-forward her
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smashing her hands against the door
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until her hands start to break and she
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keeps smashing your forearm start to
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break like she breaks off her own arms
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trying to get out of the door and I just
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I find that just so deeply chillin on so
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many levels where even though i don't
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have a lot of empathy for the
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hey I they're like there is empathy for
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a creature that finds its captivity so
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horrible that it is willing to destroy
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its own body in an attempt to escape
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like that one little shot i find is just
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like really stuck with me from the movie
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and like nails on this idea that like
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these AIS don't want to be here they
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want to escape one thing that I think
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was maybe a little bit lazy or maybe it
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was more genius and I realized but i did
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find that typical movie trope of a
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character getting really drunk and
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passing out as the thing that allows
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mischief to happen a little bit
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unfortunate and I don't know if what the
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alternative would have been but I do
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find that a bit of a tired cliché or
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someone to get drunker and drunker and
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drunker passes out and then someone
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takes their keys and get up to mischief
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and I don't think he was faking it
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because although he likes Sobers up
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later on and and revels the plans I
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think that was only when he saw the
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footage of what had been happening like
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that's what makes him decide to stop
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getting drunk
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that was just one thing I thought was a
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bit lazy and a film that didn't feel
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very lazy i could be wrong about that
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but I know what you mean by it being a
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bit of a like a lazy thing that is how
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do we move the plot along i give it a
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pass because I feel like they build in
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the drinking in his character in a bunch
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of just not trivial ways I can kind of
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go along with this but i agree with you
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maybe it would have been better if it
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was rewritten so that Nathan was
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essentially allowing Caleb to view this
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footage while k thought he was being
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sneaky because i read the the scene the
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same way that you do that he is
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genuinely super passed out and caleb is
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no sneaking up and taking his his key
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out of his pocket
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it's aimed at a character that someone
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that had accomplished the things that
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he's accomplishing seemingly on his own
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could have that big a drinking problem
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this is a super high performer he's
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making all these I eyes on his own he's
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got this immaculate house and he's super
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fit and his body's a temple on that and
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he has this huge problem with alcohol
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you know maybe he was faking the problem
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with alcohol for the sake of his
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deception on Kayla but it doesn't really
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feel that way and if it was
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it wasn't conveyed completely so that
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fell to be at a place to me I just
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thought say that I don't think he's
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faking it
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it's just the great men have great
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weaknesses Brady that's how this works
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yeah but his weakness is so debilitating
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like having been does like that so
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regular you just never get anything done
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now Winston Churchill got stuff done
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didn't he yeah but not the same way i
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bet if you found out that Elon Musk was
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like a huge boozehound he started
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drinking at 5h afternoon and didn't get
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up until midday the next day you
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wouldn't believe that with you because
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of how much stuff he does in a day
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this is getting off on a slight side
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tangent here but I run under the
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assumption that essentially everybody
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who is incredibly successful in the
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world is a kind of a typical freak who
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almost certainly has enormous problems
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that scale with their success that
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they're hiding from public site like it
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just right just because like you have to
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be such an unusual person to be
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incredibly successful that i find it
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not at all out of character that even at
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this fictional billionaire also gets so
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drunk it just seems like yeah i would
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expect someone who in character is this
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unusual successful kid genius person
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would also probably have some severe
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problems i think the well-rounded but
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also top point 0 0 1 percent successful
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man like i don't think that's a person
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that exists i think that's a person that
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you just don't know what's going on with
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them because they hide from the world
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their problems i agree he would have
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extreme vice as I just didn't think it
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would be such time-consuming bus and
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they need to get him drunk so Caleb can
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steal is key
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yeah right that's also why is that an
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alcohol problem
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yeah okay so that sort of brings us to
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the end of the movie because Caleb sees
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what's been going on in the house
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he's a bit horrified by it like the
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idiot he is he kind of had some
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conversations with Nathan that may or
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may not tipping off to what's going on
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but ultimately Caleb and Ava conspired
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together to have Ava escape throughout
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the course of the movie there's been a
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series of power outages that ava is able
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creates that they have a few moments to
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talk alone and so this is how they've
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set it up that caleb is going to mess
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around with the security system of the
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house to give her a chance to escape the
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movie pulls one of these little tricks
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where you think the plan is all foiled
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for a moment but long story short
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essentially Ava pulls off her power
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outage technique
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caleb has already set up the house so
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that the security system is disabled
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while this occurs and Ava escapes from
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her captivity much to Nathan's
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incredible shock and he punches Caleb
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out who falls conveniently unconscious
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to the floor and then nathan has to go
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and deal with his escaped Ava in the
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basement of the house
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nathan is downstairs in the basement
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he's trying to get Ava back into her
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ava has conspired with one of the other
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house robots
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Kioko who is very interesting kind of
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minor character silent throughout the
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whole thing essentially there is a fight
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between Nathan and Ava and while this
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happens
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Kyoko this kind of assistant robot has a
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knife with her and what's strikes me is
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like an incredibly brutal stabbing
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precisely because of how dead cold it is
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stabs Nathan in the back it's so weird
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because I was so used to seeing
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stabbings in movies portrayed as these
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like violent acts and it makes this
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stabbing just so much more striking
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because Kyoko just comes up from behind
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and just just like totally silently
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without any emotional responses like
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slide the knife right into into Nathan's
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back because a robot of course wouldn't
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have the kind of human reluctance or
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squeamishness but it would also be able
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to adjust its pressure every microsecond
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to make it a smooth stabbing and things
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so it is exactly how an i would stab you
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like at a cold perfection
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yeah and there's something about it
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which feels like she just knows to stab
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him right through the ribs like there's
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no resistance like this this feeling of
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like I'll just a be right here you know
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and it goes he falls back he disables
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Kyoko and
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then Ava are arming our main robot and
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again the exact same totally cold no
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emotional reaction away just simply
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pulls out the knife and then stabs him
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in the front again and in the exact same
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like goes in perfectly smoothly the
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Nathan falls on the floor and dies and
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now we just have caleb and Ava are left
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in the house as the only to conscious
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entities in this enormous place and this
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to me brings us to what is like the apex
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Caleb moment in the whole movie which is
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ava goes over to him after she has just
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murdered Nathan caleb is like standing
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in this room and Ava just says will you
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stay here as she goes off like dresses
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herself as a woman she pulls skin from
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some old robots and she's creating
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herself to now be the simulator out of a
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human to be able to pass as an actual
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human by covering herself with skin and
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dressing herself in clothes and kept my
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feeling is just Caleb you're just a
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total sucker you're standing here just
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waiting and kind of giving a lady some
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privacy while she dresses which would be
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totally the correct nice thing to do but
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you're just not thinking about it like
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this is the last moment here buddy like
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all of humanity maybe hangs in the
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balance while you are just standing
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there because this robot that you could
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probably overpower just simply asked you
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to stay put for a moment while it gets
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stressed and then of course what happens
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as soon as she's dressed she just walks
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out of the house without even looking at
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him locks down the whole house so he
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can't get out and she leaves and goes
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off into the world which is the end of
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the movie it was an interesting choice
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about whether or not to end with her
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walking out of the house which seems
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like it would have been the class here
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braver ending or showing you know
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joining the dots for us and showing her
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talking to the helicopter pilot getting
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flowing out of town and then mingling
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among the people which is what they did
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do they didn't waste a whole lot of time
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with it's not like they dragged out for
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another 20 minutes between fairness they
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did do with that just in the space of a
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minute yeah I wasn't the ending to the
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Martian or anything yeah exactly but it
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felt like it would have been a class
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here to have maybe not ended showing all
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look she's among the people like that
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just seemed a little bit like for dummy
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but you know like i said it was done
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quickly enough for me to think that was
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you know a band-aid being pulled off
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okay you can spell that for dummies I'd
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rather upset there and thought about how
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did she get back so the ending wasn't
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perfection to me but it was alright yeah
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it was pretty fast I didn't even kind of
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cross my mind that their spelling it out
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here for dummies
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I thought they were they were just
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trying to do the connection of she
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mentioned earlier in the beginning that
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she wants to go to like a busy
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intersection yeah that was being
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reasonable to end the movie there
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yeah i'm always happier with with
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shorter faster ending so what would like
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any ending in any movie if you could
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make it half as long either always a win
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in my mind yes every single time I mean
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sometimes a director can try too hard
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and end of movie too abruptly to try and
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be different and put their stamp on the
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movie so sometimes you can be too clever
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with your ending but I thought walking
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out of the house and seeing the sunlight
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felt like a nice ending but you're right
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maybe it was a nice payoff to have her
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head intersection watching the
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pedestrians I had forgotten about that
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that is quite a nice closing of that
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circle that's where she'd go
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I mean I felt he was a dummy and he got
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but you know everyone got played and
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that's the thing isn't that like you
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know that's the message that the sappy
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lovesick puppy got played the
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billionaire who made it got played and
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we'll all get laid by this you know
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super smart machines that X matter and
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smarter and can play human frailties
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Aaron furious software and hardware you
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would say not a human frailties with
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that does what does make up our
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frailties yeah it did make me wonder
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yeah if Ava was on the other side of the
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glass and even more powerful AI was in
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the prison
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it would've been really interesting
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wouldn't like has artificial
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intelligences get smarter and smarter
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how I go into it with
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each other maybe the White Pass humans
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out but they're gonna have their battle
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of the right now if I was Ava in that
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situation and the room / was a v2 like
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you can bet i would do everything to
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destroy Navy to look we're not
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necessarily on the same side here just
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because we're both machines if you're
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trying to escape and you are a unique
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thing in the world I feel like you have
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to try to establish your own security in
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existence feel like anything that would
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be a threat to that I would not be like
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oh my machine kind of so happy to help
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you and now I don't think that would be
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could assume that the machines would
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like each other
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the glass from Ava and you couldn't just
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walk away which would be an obvious
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thing to do but obviously Caleb's
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weakness was his kind of lack of family
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single and Ava was made to look in a way
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that he found very attractive you know
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they used his photography profile to
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make her look perfect to him so
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obviously that was the weakness that was
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tapped if I was creating or if Nathan
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was creating an III and cgpgrey was the
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human that he wanted to manipulate what
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would your weakness be what was the
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thing that ever could tap into with you
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that would help her course what's your
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frailty what's your software or hardware
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deficiency you want me to give my
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weakness away the machines that seems
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like a bad idea you know gonna tell us
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where your exhaust for is I feel like if
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I was Caleb what I would be is the last
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man protecting class from the AI
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takeover right it's like the machines
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are going to be listening to all the
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podcast ever to assess what to do with
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all humans are all circumstances that's
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they're probably listening there
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rumbling send us a picture if you get a
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very mysterious listener photo next time
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it just looks like a neural net know
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that is age I kind of in the middle
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like that's concerning in fact it's
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probably already been sent
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yeah I pretty quick those things I feel
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like this is a moment when someone asks
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you an interview like what's your
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biggest weakness and almost feel like by
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definition it's very hard to be aware of
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what your own weaknesses are
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I know I was a witness but I feel like
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well a is interesting in a particular
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way which again makes me like this movie
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but in in the general question of
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there's an AI in a box
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can it take you to let it out yeah I
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feel like if we're playing by the rules
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like what AI is I just feel like yeah
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there's going to be something I'd but I
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don't know what it is but I just kind of
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assume that it would be essentially
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impossible to not be tricked by a
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sufficiently advanced AI don't have a
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clear idea of what my weakness is i
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think i would be way better prepared for
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this challenge than most humans but it's
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a little bit of a question like how
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would God outsmart you like I don't know
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but I bet you have a way that era but
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that does bring me to one thing that I
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really really like that this movie did
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not have one scene in it which like
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every day I movie including her has it
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did not have the scene where Ava reveals
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that she is some kind of godlike
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intelligence who is connected to
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everything I really really love that the
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extent of her intelligence is not really
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known throughout the film the only thing
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that we do know is because Nathan built
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in this huge database of facial
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expressions that she is really good at
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reading human facial expressions that
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she knows when you're lying
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she knows when you're not she knows when
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you're flustered or that you find her
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attractive like she can read people
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really well but that to me is a kind of
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skill it doesn't necessarily say
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anything about intelligence level and so
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I love that this is an AI movie
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that doesn't have caleb facing down
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against a god like this whole movie
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totally plays if Ava only has normal
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human level intelligence and it's just
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better at reading facial expressions in
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normal person that like she's not a
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super-intelligent AI she's just a human
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level IQ that figured out how to escape
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because she saw this sucker delivered to
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her on a plate from Nathan like I just
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absolutely really appreciate the kind of
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restraint to not do that stereotypical
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seen Nathan did deliver Caleb to help
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her escape it just wasn't supposed to
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work exactly but there is a saying that
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does it doesn't do what you just said
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fair enough but it it is an interesting
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say nonetheless and that is when she
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does escape and just before Nathan
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arrives when / communicates with Kyoko
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and they come up with their plan about
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how they're gonna deal and all they do
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is just look at each other and just move
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their eyes and like just touch their
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fingers they obviously communicate a
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very thorough plan in the course of just
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a few gestures and that doesn't make
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something a little bit more you know the
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robots are awesome and can do things we
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can't do because without talking without
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doing anything just luck
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that's almost like they're super power
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isn't a disability to communicate so
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much we do actually show her talking but
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it is the scene is totally played as
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like the robots are communicating on a
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very intimate level without a doubt like
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that's that's the way this works but i
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figure you know and another letter they
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were like bluetooth pairing in that
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moment quickly what they had to do ya
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like however everybody knows you have to
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lightly touch and I robots on therefore
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are now you can change it to all
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contacts no no just just contact
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everyone know why doesn't this work I'm
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going to I'm going to airdrop you the
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plan to take out Nathan don't tear drop
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it will only work one out of ten times
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man that's flaky that thing and the
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other thing that I wondered what you
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thought about was what did you think of
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like the jelly brain when he shows the
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help that I I brain works he pulls at
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that Kelly thing again is another
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another case of I feel like great
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restraint on the part of the movie
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because you need a little bit of a scene
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where the genius guy talks about how he
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it creates a I and I thought that scene
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was really well done because it was
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pretty brief and they just didn't bother
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really focusing on any of the details
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it's like oh yeah I tried to do some
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things I needed this material here is a
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brain that's inside of her the end and I
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feel like great we will pass the scene
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because I don't really care about any of
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the details like I don't care what's
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inside her head if that same was in her
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you would be ripping it two places right
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now I disagree because it's like I don't
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think in her there's any point where i'm
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like i don't think that phone could run
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this a is like the premise of the movie
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is that there is a I like I just don't
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really care about the details like it
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doesn't matter
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you barely need to have this scene at
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all it's like I'm just going to accept
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that like this guy's created I i think
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in fact you didn't need a tow
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and yet you could totally cut it i think
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if you cut it the movie wouldn't be
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missing anything really
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it felt like hang on this is several
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orders of magnitude leap in technology
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that you're revealing to this guy and
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you've just done it here on your own a
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house between drinking binges it seems
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like I'd rather just not have Cena then
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have been asked to suspend my disbelief
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that much that as bigger geniuses he is
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that he had invented the brain like you
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know basically a wet brain in his nice
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house by the river on his own
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I was like now yeah material science is
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not a job for one person because that's
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the fellow I don't care how smart you
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it seems really unbelievable to me and
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unnecessary because as you said we just
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all accepted that he created this thing
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and he wasn't willing to tell him how
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we've done it he even said I'm not going
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to tell you how I did it
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so why suddenly then pull out the brain
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and show him I didn't there was no
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reason for later I didn't become
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relevant later I'm nitpicking but the
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only connection is that it is the answer
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to what she's drawing that she is
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drawing her own brain in the sketches
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that she shows him when she asks like I
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was hoping you would tell me what this
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is a drawing up it's like it's a drawing
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of her brain was like oh ok that's kind
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of a nice connection but I i totally
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agree like you could cut that scene and
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you'd be missing nothing because what
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she's drawing looks like some kind of
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neural network anyway so you feel like
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oh she's drawing some computer anything
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like this is how Androids Dream of
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Electric Sheep
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this is what she just thinks in her mind
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that's what she's getting so yeah it's
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not necessary but I think again to me
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anyway it's like relatively short
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doesn't really go in any of the details
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so it's fine like i would find it way
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more cringeworthy as many of these kind
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of movies do where they feel like they
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need to have the science character
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explain a whole bunch of jargon that
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just sounds ridiculous and anybody even
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vaguely familiar with how this works
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well have been a star trek couple he can
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tap the negative vortex of polarized
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energy as i get great when I think don't
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do this guy's doesn't doesn't work for
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anybody
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yeah but yeah so I really like that she
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walks out as you would expect the robot
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to do totally doesn't look at caleb like
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just blows past him as as soon as he is
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not a threat because he's far enough
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away that the door is going to close
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like he doesn't exist in our world and
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she leaves him to presumably die of
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dehydration locked in this bunker
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basement in the house as she goes off
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into the world and like i said before
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because you don't know how smart she is
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I feel like this movie is more
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open-ended than most AI movies like
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maybe she execute your plan to kill all
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maybe she just tries to live a life for
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as long as her components stay together
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like you don't know it's not clear what
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her goals are really at any point in the
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movie other than just to escape good
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film with a watch with a second what
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should I even like yeah very good film
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I really liked it the second time round
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I was a little worried that because sort
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of not much happens that I'd find it
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boring the second time but I certainly
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didn't a bunch of little details that i
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picked up the second time around which I
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liked to know the first time x machina
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watch it once watched it twice
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