H.I. #67: Doctor Brady
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great for this episode of this episode
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only em will you call me dr. heron last
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time we spoke we talked about brexit and
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at that point in time we had no Prime
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Minister and no idea of what might or
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might not happen and now we do have a
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prime minister things have moved along
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in the world but i am still of the
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opinion that I think it seems unlikely
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the maximum breakfast is going to occur
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I've been following the news like ever
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so slightly and I just keep seeing a
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whole bunch of like mustn't be so hasty
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news with regard to brexit just
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yesterday even saw a headline which was
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the new prime minister announcing
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something like we will not do article 15
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until the beginning of 2017 at the
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earliest so I feel like the campaign to
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push this back has begun
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that's my feelings on what the current
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state of players with brexit I have to
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say I'm so upset about bricks for so
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many reasons but one of the main ones is
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I've never been one of those people
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that's that into politics em and i
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always find people who are like really
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into politics and talking about all the
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time a little bit annoying
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yes like when people talk about sports
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okay yeah fair enough for me politics
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was that annoying thing and I've become
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one of those people lately like I find
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myself at dinner parties talking about
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politics and I go out with people i talk
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about politics number are no I've become
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that annoying person better and 'iblame
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breaks it so I'm really fighting against
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fighting and I don't want to be that guy
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because I know politics is well I mean
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I'm not gonna say it's boring because
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everyone finds different things
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interesting and like you say I find
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sport interesting
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yes I'm not gonna say politics is boring
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but politics is usually a disagreeable
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thing to talk about a lot you know they
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say it's one of those topics you
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shouldn't bring up i need to tone that
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down its politics be so interesting
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lately though breaks or no breaks it's
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just triggered such interesting stuff in
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the political parties as they're all
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sort of turned on themselves it's like
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The Hunger Games you can't stop watching
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it's funny I kind of agree that for a
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long long time I was avoiding following
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any of the brexit news and i'm still not
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hugely following it now
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but just around when we recorded our
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last show I finally realized like oh
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there is something interesting to talk
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about here and I keep feeling like this
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has given us the most perfect dilemma
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for a representative democracy ever i'm
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never super interested in the particular
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details of the in party fighting or
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who's doing what I do find the bigger
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picture quite interesting now that if
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I'm right the conservatives don't really
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want to do this then I think it is like
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this quandary of what is a
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representative democracy to do and so I
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think that's really interesting but
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again as far as i can tell it looks like
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they're just totally stalling for as
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long as they possibly can i thought your
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brakes a video was quite good too it was
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a nice sort of crystallization of what
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we discussed in the last episode I
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thought it was a nice return to form
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after a couple of bollocks videos you
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can lightly so that's what I thank you I
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really appreciate that
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yeah every backhanded compliment I've
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also found like you that it is
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absolutely unavoidable to discuss brexit
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with almost everybody in the whole of
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the UK for the past couple weeks like it
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since I came back from America and since
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I've been here it's like literally
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everybody wants to talk brexit you go to
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like a dinner party you end up talking
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brexit offense it up like just in cafes
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like the person giving me the coffee
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wants to talk breaks it like this
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doesn't seem like an appropriate venue
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for this budget is clearly on
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everybody's mind is unavoidable dude
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it's worse in America
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well if you're the british guy like a
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few the British in quotation marks
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because because every party to go to
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every day you go to every conversation
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is all anyone wants to ask you about
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it's like what the hell happened man
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what's going on
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explain to me and and being someone who
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didn't vote for breakfast i'm having to
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sort of try and explain what's going on
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and I'm like putting a really difficult
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situation but I feel like sort of the
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freak in the room all the time so I was
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glad to get out and no longer have to
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answer questions about it we are again
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going to be passing each other because
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you have just recently gotten back to
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the UK and i am going back to America
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again tomorrow so we keep flipping
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continents so you're back here you don't
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have to keep explaining to people
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what's going on you're not the
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representative of the whole of the UK as
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the australian guy and
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anyway having done the video i mean
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obviously we talked about on the podcast
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but it's another order of magnitude when
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you do a video on something
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did you find you sort of your inboxes
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and the ways that people try to get to
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use to get sort of more demand than
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usual or did you manage to show yourself
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from all the hordes it was a hugely
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hugely active discussion on the reddit I
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sort of have a whole bunch of ways now
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to filter out my email so that it
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doesn't get exploded when this occurs
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anymore which is useful
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yeah but yeah there was a whole bunch of
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discussion about it and as always
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youtube comments aside at least on the
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reddit comments I've found you know for
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the most part people were pretty civil
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in their disagreements and discussions
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on what ya wise be a touchy topic
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your people are passionate but I think
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that's fair i think generally people are
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more civil about it and some other
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topics i do have some advice for people
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that I mean people are obviously aware
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that one of the places they could get
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the attention of grey or to a lesser
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extent myself is to go into our
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subreddits I don't know if this is true
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for you grab it is true for me if you do
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want me to read your comment and reply
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to it you can keep it sure is my
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recommendation if you say here's what i
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have to say and I see like 19 sentences
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who you are wasting your time and I
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think you probably wasting your time for
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anyone to read it's just like posting up
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five-minute youtube video versus a
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40-minute youtube video people don't
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even start when they see how long it is
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from the start
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Candace ice is k even if you've got a
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lot to say you've got to think no just
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say one thing because that's the only
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chance anyone rate up
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I feel sorry for these people that write
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these big long essays like I've got
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something to say and I want your
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alternator and then you see this like
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eight pages of text
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it's like dude no one's reading that I
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hope you realize it
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yeah that's what they call the wall of
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text right here is the giant wall of
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text and you feel like am I going to
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climb over this wall of text
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no i'm not totally aware of that same
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thing every once in awhile i read it i
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think perhaps the time in my life when I
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read the most biggest longest walls of
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text ever was the great guns germs and
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steel debate i did read like all of that
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stuff but in a regular reddit thread
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when someone leaves one of those just
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like forget it i'm not going to read
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this my other personal annoyance is when
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people try to put two different things
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single comments i always feel like you
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have multiple things to say leave
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multiple comments so that the thread
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structure is really clear i always get
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annoyed when people try to have like two
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totally separate unrelated ideas in a
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comment keep it clean people nice and
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simple one idea proposed every post very
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short there's only a finite amount of
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attention in the world and you need
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strategies to get people's attention
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it's totally drew it without a doubt
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that is the case i think i've said
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before some point on this podcast but i
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really do think that in the modern
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internet interconnected info dense world
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that the tension is a kind of currency
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yeah that this is a thing that you have
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to be mindful of and collecting up a
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bunch of people's attention is a
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valuable thing and how you spend your
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own attention is a valuable thing and
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then that rolls into what you're saying
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here of how do you attempt to get the
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attention of somebody else you have to
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be strategic about it i mean the people
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who are most successful on YouTube
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people like yourself I mean I think your
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greatest skill is the curation and
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management of people's attention much
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more than the quality of the video which
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you make with your good but I think your
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kin eNOS with a managing people's
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attention is your greatest asset in many
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what do you mean by that I think you put
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lots and lots of thought and strategy
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into how to get people's attention and
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sort of keep them interested in what
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you're doing and engaged with you as a
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creator
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I think you think about it a lot more
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than I do i think if i was going for
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maximum amount of attention more lists
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no no but in some ways I I imagined you
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as someone who ways that up
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ways up the clickbait eNOS of you know a
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list video or attention-grabbing
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thumbnail versus the goodwill and
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respect and longer-term attention of
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someone who has more credibility and is
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a bit more proper about such things I I
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think you think about all these things a
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lot because there's a downside to list
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videos as well I can imagine you
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thinking do I make a list video here's
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what would be good about it would have a
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lot of short-term upside but it might
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have downside in the longer
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and I made you as someone who thinks
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about all this stuff I think you're very
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canny is trying to do you think about
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that stuff and actually just yesterday I
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came up with I thought was a really good
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idea for a list video so not against
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this video's in principle it just
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depends on on if it works but actually
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since you bring this up i have a
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question for you which is this is one of
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those times where I feel like I don't
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know if I'm having a subjective
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experience you like you tune into with
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thing and then there's just a whole
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bunch of confirmation bias about the
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thing or not but I feel like the cliq
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babyness of headlines and thumbnails on
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youtube has really gone up in the last
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six months titles that are just
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ambiguous or they have very clickbait
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style thumbnails i don't know i have a
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feeling like some switch got turned
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somewhere in YouTube when they got even
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stuff on YouTube but interesting might
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flags i believe i had a rock-solid
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city or do flag every day at the team
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flag this bunch of just funny places
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bunch of places that are sort of semi
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the reasoning for this also i thought
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it's the triangle set on a white
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it's not as though emojis are required
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to be rectangular right now Jesus come
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some reason to Paul when they have to
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put a little white background on it like
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oh no this is terrible you know there's
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gonna be a technical reason great old
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gonna have like a nerd ever let your
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people explaining why now there is no
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reason why they have to be standardized
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flags do for some reason it's been
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decided all the flags must be the same
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shape for some silly reason look like
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all software stuff some human made it
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this way you could make it a different
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way you can have the nopal one just be a
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special one right
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they have the bizarre like businessman
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floating over a whole shape emoji which
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I don't understand at all like I don't
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get that one if they can do that than
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appalled one it can just be the two
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triangles
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said flags are going to be rectangular
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because they're in some subset that
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native standardized to be compatible
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that there is no reason for this and if
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there is a reason
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please let breeding now is the
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switzerland flag more square or is that
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sort of rectangular as well because
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square flag and others
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let's see it's a little flag emoji least
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with the little flag emoji is also
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rectangular phone say this is playing
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into my belief that I've decided to
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rectangular eyes
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reason that I don't get me wrong you
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know how much I love the Napoleon I'm
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saying there'll be some stupid reason I
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alright so we had an email from a
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listener know named Caleb who write all
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sorts of things that i won't go into but
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some of them are quite interesting
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teasing me over you're going through
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this email that what you're now going to
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pick out the least interesting of the
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things dimension as you go
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it's a very proprietary email which I
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the podcast yeah probably i'm making it
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small experiment in listening and I
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different orders and that sort of thing
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machete order
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yeah could we have the Caleb ordering of
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listening to hello internet which is
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listening in reverse chronological order
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don't know it depends a lot on the
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what do you do when you get into a new
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will you tend to pick it up from where
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they're at will you go to the start will
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you ever go backwards will you just pick
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into a new podcast it's been around for
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awhile whats your immersion strategy
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way to do it like that feels like the
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best way to experience it because if you
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weird state whereas you're listening to
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new episodes as they come out but then
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just sounds awesome
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no it's it's confusing it's jarring it's
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no good in my podcast player which is
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i'm currently using overcast but you can
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do this in a bunch of different podcast
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apps I have all of my podcast ordered
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working my way through my podcasts that
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way and there's a bunch of reasons why i
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understand how the podcast is later on I
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podcasts kind of start off in the
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logical way to do it but what you want
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in completely random order so that
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one a new podcast cause of most podcast
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do get better over time said to going
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have to wade through some tree call
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I find a new 1i listen to the most
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brighter is the future gloomy and if it
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browser and save them into an app to
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actual current time or I'm reading
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it acts as a kind of filter like do I
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listened to it but it doesn't matter now
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that i'm listening you know weeks behind
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moment and so you're acting as a kind of
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chronological attention filter for the
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media that you consume is the same
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reason why do this with like movies to
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watch and books to read like I put them
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what still matters or what is still
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relevant
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method more than your method where you
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pick up from where it's at now but you
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look at the past and cherry-pick the
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things that are worthy of your attention
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rather than listening to everything
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you're advocating what I said know what
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you said no but I don't just go through
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the back catalogue and select randomly i
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everything and then I just delete as I'm
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going through right if something isn't
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relevant to the current well that's
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mechanism i mean i'm looking at the
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whole back catalogue em I'm may not have
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put them onto my player i'm just looking
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at the fade and then I'm just deleting
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in my mind anti-lock I'm not gonna
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listen to that one that's not where they
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look at the place where you can come
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unstuck with your strategy and maybe it
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doesn't matter because you wouldn't
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listen to this sort of podcast anyway
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it's because you live in your bubble you
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might not know what's relevant or not
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okay huh there's a podcast i quite like
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at the moment it's the BBC politics one
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with this guy called John pain is really
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good and every Sunday he does interview
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so I download up and a week or so ago
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the prime ministership of Britain around
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the two women who had come down to this
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face-off and now we're previewing the
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candidates and talking about it and I
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to be a nice listen tomorrow and of
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candidates dropped out and Theresa May
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became prime minister now if i lived in
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the gray bubble and didn't know that I
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much smoking jacket and set on the sofa
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listen I would spend an hour and a half
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great contest that was about to happen
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wait to find out who wins and then I'll
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found out a little finish to cut the
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days before and I would feel like all
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that was a waste of my time that preview
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of that battle didn't even happen it
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preview of a big football match that
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then gets cancelled
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you can never understand the way even
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all you always imagine that I'm just
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likely that you would know that a prime
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minister has been elected it's the same
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to newest I am dimly aware of events
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to and secondly if you did settle town
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with your pipe to listen to this
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excellent excellent preview of the Prime
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it was over wouldn't be in
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terribly satisfying to say I wonder who
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won this battle but then you would
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immediately get to know the answer it's
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like binge watching TV i have actually
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done that on occasion with stuff why I
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know an event has occurred but I'm
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listening to people discuss an event
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beforehand sort of listen I think I'm
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gonna sit here and try to make a
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prediction about what will occur and was
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fantastic as i get to know if I'm right
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instantly don't get me wrong right in
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response to your response
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underestimate how out-of-touch you are
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you never cease to amaze me with new
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stories you haven't heard of it's never
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another argument about it still never
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ceases to amaze me
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and second of all there's nothing wrong
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with living your life with a little bit
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of a time offset i don't think i do it
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quite as dramatically as you but I do it
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sometimes I think it's hugely beneficial
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yeah and I do if I not shopping on a
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Sunday because that i will often record
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the ground pray that day and avoid all
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social media so I don't know the result
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and last night I will watch the race and
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I'm five or six hours behind the rest of
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the world but i'm getting just as much
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excitement from watching it five or six
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hours later so you there's nothing wrong
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with the time officer and in many ways i
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see that's what you do in your life in a
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lot of ways you you offset time and
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that's fine
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is you'd be doing a time offset and they
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did nothing wrong with hearing about the
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contest and then finding out what
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happened later with the contest but if
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the contest gets cancelled altogether
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there is a little bit of a robbery that
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happened because they'll be talking
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about things that they think will happen
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over the next six weeks em and they
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could tell you and then they're going to
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be doing this in two weeks time and
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they're going to be having a debate in
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the community hole in three weeks time
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you know and if none of that stuff even
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little bit of time into something you
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thinking huh that's what everyone
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thought would happen and not have it
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happened isn't that interesting but put
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it this way i didn't listen to it
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because I thought it would be a waste of
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my time but it right and greatly save
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doing this little I mean a long time ago
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now i used to listen to more political
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shows that i currently do i mean i don't
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think i have anything that could be even
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described as a political show on my
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subscriptions anymore I know but of
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course shows sometimes touch on politics
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because it's unavoidable but it was
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precisely this time offset that made me
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realize like why am I even listening to
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these political shows anyway it's almost
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always stuff that totally doesn't matter
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it and then it has no impact on anything
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well why am i listening to it the moment
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benefit there so I'm feeling a extra
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intense about this because i was just
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talking to a friend of mine who I was
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trying to talk out of for a while paying
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attention to the news and he did do my
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like read newspapers a week later
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experiment was like oh yeah like
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really obvious that none of this stuff
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everybody should have a little bit of a
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time delay with everything that they're
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doing because time axis and excellent
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filter of what are you going to be
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interested in long-term not just what do
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nothing matters in the long term doesn't
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we're all gonna be dead in 60 or 70
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doing anything
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do a paper cut
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of course there's a British paper cut my
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paper cut is everyone trying to solve my
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problems online now I've discussed this
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before in the context of relationships
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gonna go
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it can happen both ways but i think from
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experienced and what i've read mail was
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a more guilty of this than females but
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everyone does it and that is when
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someone complains or has a problem right
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they don't necessarily want you to try
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some sympathy or they want to vent and
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trying to solve it is not what you
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should do disagree you what I'm sorry
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it's true if your wife come home from
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work and had a difficult day and it's
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been so difficult i had a really tough
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day today they don't necessarily want
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you to say we should have done this for
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tomorrow you should do this sometimes
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they just want and I'm around the
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shoulder or a sympathetic word saying
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well that sounds tough
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good on you for getting through it let's
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have dinner and I think the same is true
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on social media if I'm sometimes griping
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about something that annoys me
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for example the twitter app and I'm
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saying not so annoying twitter i don't
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want a huge big long list of all the
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other different apps i should use or the
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different things i should do or we told
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our that's a crap you shouldn't be using
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anyway sometimes I just want people to
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either say yeah sucks doesn't it or just
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say you know don't worry that was a
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funny joke you made at their expense
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anyway good on you
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that's also drawn I don't want to be
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told all the things i'm doing wrong and
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all the things i should change just put
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your arm around my shoulder and say yeah
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man you don't have to solve problems
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why do you want to wallow in your own
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problems and not receive solutions
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because that's human just like that
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sometimes sometimes I don't want to
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solve the problem they just want to grow
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if someone has a solution
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don't you want to hear the solution no
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not necessarily
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well now you know that because usually a
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solution implies that i'm doing
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something wrong and if i'm feeling
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pissed off
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you're just gonna piss me off even more
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by telling me I'm doing something wrong
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just tell me you're on my side
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don't like but what if you are doing
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something wrong if you and I great if
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you and I played football together okay
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and I was the goalkeeper for the team
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and we made the world cup final okay and
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right at the end of the world cup final
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I jumped the wrong way and let in a girl
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and we lost the world cup final at the
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end of the game when i'm in tears in
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the stadium I would not want you to come
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up to me and say Brady if we make the
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world cup finals again in four years and
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that happens next time jump to the left
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it was obviously shirts comparison ever
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because there's no because there's no
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solution for that
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that's a situation where is there a
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solution that could be offered no
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there's no solution at all it's like out
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you just lost us the big game
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I'm sorry buddy right I'll put my arm
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around you but if you're like oh I have
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a problem with the twitter client I
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don't like this thing about it and
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somebody says oh there's a different
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twitter client that does things
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differently that's a solution what
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you're saying here is a bit like it like
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someone's talking about like a death in
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the family and someone's like well you
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know if we invented anti-death
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technology right then this wouldn't be a
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problem is like now this is not even
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remotely comparable you're giving an
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analogy for which there is no solution i
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would not offer a solution for like you
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should have jumped the other way
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that's just what is it like Monday
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morning quarterbacking if we had a time
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machine and could go back in time things
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could have been different
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that kind of stuff is just obnoxious
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because at the end of the game they
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would be value in you telling me if that
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happens again in the future game Brady
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you should jump to the left or you know
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learn from experience in the heat of the
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moment and in three or four weeks after
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the football game there would be value
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and is watching the video together and
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saying now Brady if you're goalkeeping
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again and that same player does that
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thing now you know what to do but in the
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heat of the moment when passions are
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high that is not the time
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the solutions this is the time for
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sympathy and a consulting arm and it's
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the same on twitter if I'm venting on
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something angry I just want my friends
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to kind of agree with me and agree that
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things are crap I don't want them to be
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with their arms crossed in there serious
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cgpgrey voice telling me will in fact
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there is a solution to that problem with
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your venting about I just let the steam
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rise and that the passions guy and then
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later on I'll probably find the solution
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myself i'm just venting
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I don't want you all telling me stuff
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like that I'm sorry and if i'm wrong
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okay but then why are there like
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thousands of books and bits of advice
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along these lines to about like you know
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relationships and stuff saying when one
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person's like you know upset and venting
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about their problems it doesn't mean
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they want you to sit there and solve
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this is like a known thing but we're not
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married that doesn't matter you know
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we're not we're not married right this
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doesn't matter right so the cyst in the
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big book of why brady and gray cannot be
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shipped together right this would be
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another one of these examples of like
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Brady comes home and just wants to talk
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about his feelings and once no solutions
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to easily solvable problems and gray has
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no patience for this whatsoever
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I don't get me wrong great i'm guilty of
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this I am guilty of this when people are
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upset i'm also mr. know-it-all saying
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well you should have done this or next
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time you should do that or you could fix
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that but I do it but the minute i do I
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realize that some mistake
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pepperidge it you in any way yeah that's
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what that's what we do and that's
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certainly what everyone who follows me
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on Twitter does everything the closest I
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can get to sympathizing with this is if
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I complaint on the podcast about
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something or if I complain on twitter
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about something
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people often offer solutions but where I
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get annoyed at is when someone solution
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is no good right when their solution
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doesn't work and usually it's because
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you have not adequately understood the
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problem domain solution offer that you
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are just giving me a thing that doesn't
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actually make stuff better
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it's just an alternative this is not
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actually a solution and that's where I
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get annoyed just feels like you don't
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understand the problem if I want a
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solution i will make it clear that i
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want a solution if I'm just trying to be
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a wise ass and making jokes at
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which is expense okay just go with me
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you keep flipping around a couple of
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things here which is your joking on
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Twitter or like you're complaining about
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a thing that has a solution loser to
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again totally different social scenarios
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right i think so you don't think so i
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think if something is pissing me off
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like you know I'm saying I've got a sore
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hand because of the way i'm holding the
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iphone i can make some joke as my way of
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venting my frustration or i could say
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has anyone got any suggested alternative
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ways to hold an iphone because my hands
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hurting there are two different ways of
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dealing with problems sometimes you put
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the call out for help
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sometimes you say this is pissing me off
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I'm just gonna take a swipe at them
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because that's what we do these days
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look if people have adequate solutions
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they should offer them this is clearly
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the better path in society just sitting
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around everybody feeling sorry for
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everybody else it gets you nowhere
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disagree but you are alright well I'm i
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guess i'm suffering from expert ake
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because everyone's an expert and I have
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you know another hundreds and hundreds
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of them sharing their expertise with
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milk i can only handle so much expertise
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which one solution don't you this is
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what i don't understand I don't
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understand this part not always and look
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this is behavior that you can train
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people out of four why do you think I'm
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talking about it
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no I'm that you can train people out of
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the behavior where all they're doing is
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complaining because they want a bunch of
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sympathy from other people just shower
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me with sympathy so that I feel better
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in my own wallowing like now you can
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train people out of this if this is the
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thing that you can do you can learn to
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stop doing this and I think you're
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better off if you stop doing that right
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just complaining to get sympathy from
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other people
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it's not a good personality trait well
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bad yet because that's what it is that's
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but let me phrase it another way it's
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turning to my fellow men and women for
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comfort in times of made until 50 yeah
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oh my god alright but again there's like
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a whole range of scenarios here right
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we'll put like death in the family of
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turning to humankind for comfort and
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need to on the other side complaining
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about stuff that is potentially fixable
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at the other end right and I just think
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so many people like to complain about
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stuff that's potentially fixable
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someone comes home and they start
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complaining about a bunch of stuff
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related to their job right this is like
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the standard scenario and and the answer
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in that is ok well let's talk about this
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let's come up with solutions like are
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there things that you can do differently
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at your job or enjoy your job
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this is where it is good that you are
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matched with your wife because you are
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wrong about that you have wrong you are
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wrong that you should always sit down
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when someone is complaining and say
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let's talk this through
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this but I just agree with you and I
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also disagree with some of the analogies
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your drawing for a change to with deaths
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in the family but it's not really
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something we could wait into we could
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totally weight into it look just to make
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it simple like I know like teenage much
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younger me used to have this thing that
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everybody is where like you complain
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how was your original goal okay okay
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yeah well I wasn't saying
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twitter is really poor and causing me
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some frustration today most and then
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comment about the twitter app about
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then everyone's like water use you know
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use this button use this news tweet ball
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use this and you've got this setting
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their crap yeah I don't know that i'm
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using the wrong app now I understand
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clearly everybody when Brady makes jokes
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on Twitter just laugh at his jokes
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that's all he wants
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the goalie big Normie or unfollow me or
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a bunch of youtubers and that's fine
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now you've been going to ground too much
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like you're impossible to get your worse
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what do you mean I'm always reachable as
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lightly I don't agree with them
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ok maybe i'm wrong i think you're wrong
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so as you know the olympic games are
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about to start shortly
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do you know where they're being held no
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right there bring him a couple of weeks
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been about less excited by these
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olympics i haven't been getting as hyped
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by them as I normally would
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oh yeah you normally get super excited
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for the Olympics I wouldn't say I get
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super excited by them but I'm not
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looking forward to them that much but
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hopefully that changes and so obviously
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normally I wouldn't have much to talk
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about with you about the Olympics but
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there was a story that caught my eye a
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couple of days ago that I thought even
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you made slightly raised one eyebrow to
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people from the charity
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english heritage here in the UK have
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re-introduction or not the
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reintroduction i think the first time
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introduction to the Olympics for the
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sport of ousting who can you imagine
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jesting at the Olympics I think even you
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would watch that
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yeah I'd watch that at least once but
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that's that big so I haven't actually
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looked at the petition yet but this sort
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skill and strength and things like that
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think Justin must be pretty difficult
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sport to be good at and i think i'd be
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up for i think i'm willing to
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potentially pending further
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investigation particularly regarding the
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well-being of animals I'd be up for
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consideration of justic
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I was just quickly trying to pull this
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up here and of course you know when you
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google for Olympic Games jousting
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there's all kinds of pictures of people
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on horseback in armor in front of
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castles I feel like yes correct we meet
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more there it looks amazing it would
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definitely be a condition of my support
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that the Justice war metal armor and not
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some rubber modern suits with helmets
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that have to be wearing our school
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jousting outfit I don't want the nike
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rubber jousting suit one hundred percent
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agree go metal or go home right I don't
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feel like we've made a super safe just
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assume not interested in her and not to
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use like virtual cyber polls casting
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sticks or anything has to be hosting
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stick that thing is unlikely that the
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name of them the whole thing that makes
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this exciting is it seems stupidly
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dangerous right
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yeah there's all kinds of dumb sports in
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the Olympics that people bring up all
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the time I don't see why Justin couldn't
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be part of this i mean if you or someone
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else now I would get into a conversation
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with you about golf in the Olympics
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which has been the big controversy is
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golf Olympics the Gulf is in this
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olympics now
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thumbs down yeah well it's causing a lot
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of problems actually is this new this
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yes I totally disagree with and the
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problem is all the good players are
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pulling out partly because of the Zika
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virus which is this problem and rio at
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the moment but it also is just basically
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betraying how unserious Lee they're
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taking it and the introduction of golf
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into the olympics i think was a very
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cynical moved by the international
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olympic committee and it's just turning
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into a bit of a debacle I would much
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rather watch jousting than golf at the
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Olympics
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why is it a cynical move is just get the
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Gulf eyeballs on to the Olympics is that
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the world idea particularly in Asia
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because in Asia golf has a huge
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following and in Asia is a bit less
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engagement with the other pics then in
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some other parts of the world so I think
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they thought if we get golf in there
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that will increase people's interest and
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also just golf as a sport attracts huge
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corporate sponsorship in general so I
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think they're thinking if we've got golf
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at the Olympics you know we'll have more
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big corporate deals and better sponsors
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and things like that so I mean I guess
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golf is the sport of the corporate world
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of course yeah exactly but it doesn't
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mean it has to be in the Olympics and I
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think that Ben
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showing up now because the players don't
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care but you know the players have the
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four tournaments they really want to win
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every year moving pictures and one of
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them so they're quite happy to pull out
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virus concern which is fair enough but
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it's not hitting other sports in the
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same way so just sounds really boring i
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mean that's my own personal bias against
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golf is it's it's really dull not
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yes good golf tournaments don't get me
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wrong I like watching a good major if
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there was any sport that was present in
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the house when I was growing up it was
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golf on TV by my father and I always
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thought this is incredibly boring does
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your dead leg off
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yeah he does play golf I'm not sure how
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much you please currently but at least
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when I was in high school my dad played
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golf pretty regularly and I was out on
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the court a couple of times
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the court is that not just realize about
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nothing right way to describe your cool
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best part of playing golf was driving
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the golf cart for me that was the super
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fun part and those things can really
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move with the floor it and oh yeah
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there's my fondest memories of being out
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on the golf course is riding in the
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electric golf cart
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what other kind of terminology and I you
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have the the wooden clubs and you have
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the iron clubs
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yeah kinda I mean kind of theirs that
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you have the wooden clubs in the iron
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clubs you have woods and ions yeah but
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most of the time they're actually made
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of wood is cold words right but the wood
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clubs are for long-distance shots of
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remember irons are for the close shots
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because they have their steeper so you
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can do little fun upward trajectories
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yeah that's you unite ions and you're
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pitching wedges and sandwiches and right
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and there's been apart for the course
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when you get the expected number of
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strokes per hole
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what if you get one less than you should
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have gone for that how is that a birdie
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something yet is it really is
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yes what if you get one more than you
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should have got for that how I have no
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have I got nothin nothin bernie is the
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only only one I knew there that bogey
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bogey ok alright i feel like i should
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have known these things but I don't if
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you get to less than you should have got
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for the whole to less that's awesome
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what's better than a bird
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I have no idea i got another berry
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that's that's an eagle amigo ok
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oh yeah that sounds familiar so what if
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you get to worse and you should have got
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for a whole what's worse than a bogey
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penguin is a penguin rather boring
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that's just a double bogey double bogey
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out okay I bet you can guess what you
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get for three worse than how
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triple-bogey yeah you're learning fast
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here we go what an exciting sport this
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golf is so so tell you what like I might
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know a lot about golf terminology and I
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know nothing about jesting terminology
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so that's that's next for me I couldn't
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knew anything about jesting that I know
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have the BBC news article right
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between listening and reading and get
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through even more books this summer so
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Internet pick a book out of the 180,000
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they have maybe fear and loathing maybe
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whatever catches your interest and start
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listening today thanks again too
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honorable for supporting the show
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well dr. heron yes how are you feeling
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hmm do you feel knowledgeable do you
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feel worldly I'm feeling wise feeling
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very wise i'm feeling a steam it
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congratulations by the way
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congratulations on your honorary
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doctorates thank you very much
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it was a really really great day for
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Nottingham where I've done a lot of work
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for many years now awarded an honorary
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doctorate a few days ago as we're
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ceremony for the school of physics with
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who did real hard work and we're getting
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there richly deserved degrees and
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doctorates and things and also had to
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put up with a short speech about me and
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me getting an honorary doctorate at the
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the best days ever and it was that I had
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a few notches below wedding day in terms
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of just super super happy days
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that's fantastic i watched your speech
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show notes for anybody who wants to see
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it i think i did a very good job kept it
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nice and short
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nice and punching short is usually good
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you're just good at things that it's a
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funny thing that the day like I compared
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lots of good will and everyone's just
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really happy for you and you're feeling
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a lot of love and that's really nice
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like it's a really great celebration but
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the same time
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friends are there and they're the center
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conveyor belt and they're having their
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really big moment in their life and for
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what I said you know I realized that the
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wasn't about me because I just had an
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honorary doctor and these people had
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done the real deal and they were the
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real heroes of the day so I hope I
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reflected that in some way but it was a
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really great day for me and it was
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really great day 473 other people as
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well so how did it come about that you
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got an honorary doctorate like what is
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the process for selecting an honorary
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many they give out i would guess in the
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people a lot more restrained than me
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that have done amazing things in
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business or whatever for umpteen many
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years suddenly it was really nice for
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them to give one to me names are
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submitted by people who I don't know why
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about when i submitted discussions that
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had committees may the Center of the
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considered recommendations and approved
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to them i don't know what gets
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disapproved but it all happened behind
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my back my wife was actually aware of it
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because they needed information about me
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to consider the application so it turns
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University of Nottingham who I think had
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to find out things about my past and
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history and work and things like that
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the doing background checks on you to
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make sure that they something terrible
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well maybe yeah there was some some of
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that so it all happened behind my back
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at all and then I got a letter from the
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vice-chancellor of the University a few
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at the time like this university
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envelope came and more physical
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what's that we're going to work with and
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university I was like are just be some
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boring letter about something financial
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I've got to do or something so i wasn't
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going to open and she said
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it opened at me so I opened it and it
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was this of course is lovely letter from
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the boss of the unique saying we're
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going to give you this honorary
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doctorate so I was over the moon and
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then obviously waited a few months and
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when did all the official ceremony stuff
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this week and it was great it's great
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they get that was a special VIP lunch
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beforehand and got to wear the robes and
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the silly Hatton walk down the aisle at
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all the fancy pompous music and national
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anthems and I loved all the formality of
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it and got my certificate and very cool
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doctor of letters is what I am I have to
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say the picture of you signing the
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certificate i guess that's what that is
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in front of you that you have on your
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blog which might be one of my favorite
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pictures if you ever somehow I don't
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there's little fancy outfit you have a
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funny look on your face I really really
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like this photo of dr. Brady at the
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ceremony i think it's it's absolutely
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fantastic
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so you of course you don't have a doctor
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as far as i know you didn't reach that
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level did you know I i have not reached
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the heights that you have read spreading
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now so is there anything you'd like to
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ask me then that's probably the more
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pertinent question now that you know I
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is there anything I can help you is a
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now I mean mostly mostly when I'm saying
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stuff i usually just want sympathy
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a learned man of letters might be able
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to Paris so I just like to throw stuff
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what I'm doing is I'm sympathizing with
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your your lower level of education is
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drew its i am a mirror a mirror peasant
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in your shadow now you can also do you
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internet website to say it's presented
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by cgpgrey and dr. Brady Haran well i
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question because although I you know I
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don't want to dwell on this fact but i
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understand that there are some questions
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about whether or not
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honorary doctors can use the doctor
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honorific outside of the day of ceremony
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that occurs this is a fair question and
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I mean I don't want to bring it up I
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don't wanna I don't want to poo poo on
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your parade here no no course it's
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basically the only question anyone
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I've about the whole thing exactly
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bracket phrase perhaps in the way of
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yeah but are you a real doctor
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is mixed opinion on actually and
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different people do different things
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with that and you can read different
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things about it but I think the proper
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way is to not use it and the only way it
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gets used is an official correspondence
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with the university that bestowed on you
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but there are people who have taken the
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name doctor within honorific degree like
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them okay yeah yeah so i may be wrong
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about that but I'm sticking with it
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until you google it and find out
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otherwise i'm not doing that all i can
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hear your steampunk keyboard his thing
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away in the background I don't let me so
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convenience
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on some plain bookings and her in the
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hotel gonna get parades I'm not gonna
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roll it out
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I haven't done it and I don't
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necessarily do it but I i want to leave
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that option open if you think that's how
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they do upgrades clucking at look we
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have the doctor I don't think that's how
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that works
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probably not but probably not but I mean
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some people say yeah you should do you
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know get some of your things changed and
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that but I don't think it's the done
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thing and it's not going to be the done
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thing by me so I'm just having a couple
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of days of glory lording it over people
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like my sister who was ahead of me in
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the education stakes were so long as I'm
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now telling her that I'm ahead of her
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but other than that it's just like a
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nice price and some nice recognition and
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a really fun day with all the people at
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the University who I really like and
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care about and they did a nice thing for
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me and being able to stick it to your
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sister is a really nice bonus there is
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nice is nice she didn't realize till the
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day she just thought i was getting an
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honorary degree she didn't realize it
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was this doctor of letters so when she
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found that out
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she went from being really like proud
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pissed off
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banter gag on the on the I message to
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the big moment but she's the one person
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i am going to insist calls me dr. heron
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in all correspondence yeah
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think that's legitimate that's the way
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that you work it's funny though the
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longer this conversation goes on i can I
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opinion of a honorary doctorates
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word doctor but i find myself thinking
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when honorary doctorates are given out
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it is to acknowledge work that is done
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in a field right a presentation that was
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given for you was about the genuine work
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it was a doctor of letters though it's
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about creatives because you can be can
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be made a doctor of science as well and
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there is a doctor of letters which
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apparently is just actually a pig of a
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PhD in like the pecking order level
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oh my of university things but it's
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supposedly for like you know a body of
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work over an extended period of time
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which you've become an expert and this
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over a 10-year period and there's a
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doing bodies of work then it feels like
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how is this kind of not real like you
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doctorates yeah i mean obviously up i
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received what right and i also have like
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devalue them sometimes much the same way
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what nobel prize that they give that to
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everybody
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reputations that they care to maintain
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honorary degrees
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world view about what does the degree
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some behaviors that give the appearance
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that's happening in a normal brain blue
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it's just you know the brain has all
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these different departments and
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different things and everyone has a
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different job to do and they integrate
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we don't but I think it's great Beatty
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that there's some tortured soul spending
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90 years screaming for attention or
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shrugging his shoulders inside our heads
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I think that's a nice story and it's the
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sort of thing that will make people say
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a discover magazine or something which
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originally talked about some of these
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studies is this was a really weird and
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interesting topic to read
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I like it when things are are super
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clear I prefer when there's a obvious
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answer to stuff but i really do think
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that there is an interesting part of
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life that revolves around a kind of very
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difficult question to answer which is a
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question about human consciousness like
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what is human consciousness
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why does it exist it's an idea that the
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more you think about and the more you
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try to probe it it can lead you in some
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interesting directions and I'll just
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like directions that I think probably
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most of the listeners probably think of
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me as I can incredibly like logical
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the things that we can observe sort of
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super sciency person and I am mostly
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that way but I am very interested in
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ideas around consciousness because i
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think they start to push you into places
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that are kind of uncomfortable so
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thoughts about like how is it that a
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collection of atoms is able to be aware
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of itself and you can start thinking all
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kinds of things about this like oh well
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maybe consciousness is a side effect of
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information processing and you start
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thinking okay but wait what do you mean
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by the words information processing and
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so I feel like the two videos that I've
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done that have touched on this the
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trouble of transporters and and the you
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are too
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I feel like they're each kind of dancing
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around this idea of what does it mean to
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be an individual in the world and if you
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are correct in your starting first
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principles you are led down roads that
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seemed kind of crazy and the you are 21
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like looking at a bunch of the old brain
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study stuff and one of my big problems
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with a lot of split brain research is
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it's very old
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so there's a lot of stuff where I feel a
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little bit suspicious about it i think
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there is no topic i have ever done that
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i have also felt more suspicious about
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than this one because i was reading a
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bunch of papers and they are all from
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ages and ages ago about
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but what happens to people with
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split-brain phenomenon and i totally
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agree with you that there is something
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that's occurring here which is that a
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person's brain is just broken right like
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what happens you you literally cracked
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open someone's skull you reached in you
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cut their brain into and once you do
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that you can start to observe all kinds
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of strange behavior but the reason that
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I think it's interesting and the reason
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why i wanted to do that video is because
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unlike I think your analogy with the car
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there's a real question of like what is
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happening inside the broken person's
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brain like ignore for a moment a normal
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brain that that's connected but if we're
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thinking about okay we know we can go in
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you slice a person's brain in half and I
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see no way around
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assuming that all the papers that i'm
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reading through are accurately
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describing the situations i see no way
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around the idea that there is something
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that is separately conscious in the
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other side of your head if you cut
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someone's brain into like I have a very
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hard time trying to do what I think some
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people do when you read the papers and
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you're reading about like water possible
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descriptions that are going on and
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people will come up with explanations
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like oh the other brain is just like
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reacting automatically to information
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that it's getting so it seems like it's
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answering a question but there's nobody
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really at home right it's almost like
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it's a reflex like what's occurring when
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the other brain seems to be acting like
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it's an independent entity but my
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feeling on a lot of that stuff is if you
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think this through
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how is that argument any different than
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the speaking half of the brain talking
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when you say oh we ask this person a
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question and they were able to answer
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yes or no they just feel like there's
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some kind of bias towards the speaking
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part of the brain being the quote like
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real you obviously conscious person I
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don't know I my feeling was just reading
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through a bunch of this stuff up
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I can't come up with any seemingly
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consistent answer for what is occurring
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other than
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and the right side of the brain at the
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very least when you cut it off becomes a
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kind of separate consciousness and
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whether or not what it's like to be the
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right half of your brain is the same as
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what it's like to be the left half of
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your brain like whether those are the
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same as is a totally different question
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that's up in the air
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it feels like to me there's some
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evidence that consciousness can be cut
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into as a result of some of the stuff
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that you see in split-brain patients and
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I think that is really weird and it is
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really interesting and what does that
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mean for a person's brain that is whole
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and that is simply together all the time
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I think there's some really interesting
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questions to be asked about that and the
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one that I hit upon in that video that
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that's a really big question is why is
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it that if you go in and you cut
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someone's brain into that they seemed
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mostly fine afterward
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what seems to be incredibly traumatic
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brain surgery actually doesn't have very
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much of an impact on the person and I
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feel like one of the most consistent
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explanations that i have come across in
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the literature is this explanation that
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you're right hemisphere is already
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separately conscious and that it has
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already been coordinating with the
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hemisphere that you think of as you i
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got i'm not in that video trying to do
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what I think is like here's some wild
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speculation that's cool because I i
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really hate that kind of stuff when i
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feel like i'm trying to walk towards is
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you're totally done i'm even code the
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video you are too
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yeah but that's because my reading of
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the literature and my sitting down and
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thinking about it is I really do think
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that this is the most logical conclusion
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that explains what is observed in the
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papers right I think that's a very
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different thing from saying like I'm
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just going to toss out a crazy idea
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it's the same thing that we had with
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that transporter video of like you seem
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to think that the thing at the end when
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I'm talking about like you die every
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time you go to sleep was like just fun
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speculation and that was that with a
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great camp
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and of all the red-and-white complaint
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actually a thing that I take very
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seriously and I think if you start
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thinking too much about what does it
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mean to be a continuous person that this
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is a conclusion that you are pushed
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towards unwillingly and I feel like the
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same thing kind of occurs in the you are
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funsies like I'm doing that because i
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think that this is the only conclusion
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explains why does this traumatic brain
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surgery seem to leave people kind of
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mostly normal
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why is it that the two hemispheres can
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seemingly act independently and be
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totally unaware of each other that's
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what I'm trying to do with that video do
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you think it's like an evolutionary
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reason that brains would have evolved
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that way like are we talking about some
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form of redundancy or like why would
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this have been the way it happened
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let me this is this brings up some
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interesting things that are observed in
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other animals like for example there are
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several species particularly aquatic
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species that can sleep one hemisphere at
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a time which is just super weird even
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think about but there are animals that
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essentially never really fully go to
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sleep and like well like that's very
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interesting like what is it that is
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occurring inside their subjective brains
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when this is happening and of course
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that you can't know you can't really
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know what it is subjectively like to be
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a duck when one half is asleep or the
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other half is asleep and that the brain
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understand also very plastic and
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flexible organ this whole video fell out
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of what was supposed to be a much bigger
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broader topic which is more about how
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the idea of what you think of yourself
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have a lot of evidence that this isn't
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even exactly correct when you put people
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then that feels like oh this is the
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thought that I had and maybe one of the
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other conclusions is not that you are
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too but maybe the conclusion is like
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conscious entities that are working with
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experience we have of a consistent
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person going through life that this is a
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people think about it this is an
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experience that people actually have
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that experience of feeling like you
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decide to do one thing but you actually
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end up doing something else like what
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like why does that occur if you if you
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really go deep down that rabbit hole
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it's a bit of a strange thing to think
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that you want to do what's an example of
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a I mean just totally simple going to
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the gym every day it's a thing that you
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want to do but sometimes you don't do it
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that's different that's a lot more
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easily explained is not will tell me
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what do you think about that that's just
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competing desires isn't it that's not
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looked anything on my god how did this
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it's not like that it's a lot more like
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I have a desire to have a beautiful body
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yummy sugary thing and then in the end
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one desire defeats the other but it's
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not like it's a hidden thing or is a
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probability or they were to scramble
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thoughts in my brain and one popped out
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I think that's a lot simpler to explain
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I know what you're saying there but i
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still think even the notion of having
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conflicting desires in your brain
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because it is our experience of the
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world but is a strange thing the more
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you sit down and actually focus on it
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person has conflicting thoughts in their
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why is it that you decide things one way
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or another I think there are real rabbit
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holes that lead in an interesting
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directions
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this is all sort of like a bit of a side
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tangent but i think the you are too was
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it was originally going to be a smaller
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part of this bigger thing but I think
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the you are to stuff is
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the clearest way to talk about one part
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of this that we can at least under some
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circumstances demonstrate that you can
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unambiguously get a brain to disagree
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with itself in ways that quote the
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person the talking person finds
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confusing and finds difficult to
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understand what's going on I just feel
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that the idea that there's some other
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consciousness in your head answers a lot
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of questions about a lot of the
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weirdness that goes on but just one
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other consciousness you think it's too
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which i can say that the brain is a very
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symmetrical to have things so you think
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there's two there's not like a thousand
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or a million or three you've settled
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onto when you're talking about the split
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brain stuff i think yeah like we can
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talk about there being like two
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different entities in the brain
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what if we found another line somewhere
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we could cleft off and get a third
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interesting phenomenon going on
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could you be three I don't see in
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principle why not
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there's a question of ok either we have
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a single consciousness that you can
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divide into 2 by cutting in the right
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place and if that's the case I don't see
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the reason why if we didn't cleverly cut
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somebody's brain in a different area you
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could siphon off another part that seems
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like it is acting independently
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there's also the possibility of just
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like mines arise as a byproduct of the
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way neurons are structured this is the
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thing I'm not entirely comfortable with
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as well though say I accept that brain
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cut in half has two different
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consciousness isn't right
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okay if I then rewire them the way they
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were before I cut is not acceptable that
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latest merge into one why when the
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wiring is connected between the two do
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they still have to be two different
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consciousness is why can't then they
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just click your fingers become one
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consciousness again why does this second
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one still have to be in prison and
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shrugging his shoulders and unable to
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talk and working sometimes with and
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sometimes against like Shirley then
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maybe when i plug the wise and it just
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becomes one system that is a total
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possibility right we don't know because
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we have no ability to regrow someone's
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corpus callosum inside of their head
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and even if we did and we'll have to get
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back to this because if there's one
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thing where I have like severe doubts
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about the reality of this whole thing
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like let's book note that not forget it
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i want to return to it but let's say you
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were able to regrow someone's brain it
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would be hard to know that how would you
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interrogate the other brain to see if
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it's still there
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mmm i think that would be the
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interesting question of it's sort of
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unknowable maybe it's hard to imagine
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the scenario in which you could know for
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sure did these two consciousnesses
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combined or is one now just hidden from
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view in a way but I feel like okay if
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you can cut consciousness into with a
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I don't see why in principle it would be
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impossible to bind two consciousnesses
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together with a needle and thread right
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but putting it back and fixing it
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I'm not opposed to that that very idea i
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guess i see that there are two options
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here that the cutting creates a separate
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intelligence or that the separate
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intelligence exists all along and I feel
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like the second theory is the more
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explanatory theory that explains why
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this brain surgery seems to not affect
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patients very much
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afterward why they don't need to relearn
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the basics of interacting with the world
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even though they're there two halves are
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not able to communicate in the same way
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that they were able to before for
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someone who doesn't believe in free will
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and believes the universe is just a
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series of you know to simplify dominoes
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falling over in sequence and we're just
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following as we have to follow
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why you so preoccupied with
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consciousness at all i don't see how
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those two things are not related
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if consciousness is an ability to
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perceive the world around us
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well because we live in this no free
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well well but we have no control over
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anything we don't have any control over
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the way we perceive anyway like that's
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inevitable to so the things you're
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looking at and thinking and the way
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you're perceiving the world the way
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you're conscious of the world is not
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yours either i agree but i'm surprised
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you can't just talk them out of
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existence as well and not even bother
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with this stuff there
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thing that is fascinating about it is
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that there is no talking consciousness
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out of existence
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like if if I know anything I know that I
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have some experience of the world that
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this is a subjective experience that I
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have that to me is a very different
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question then do I control my subjective
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experience and i agree with you since I
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don't think that there is free will
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I don't think that I control my
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subjective experience of the world like
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for example i'm sitting in my office
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right now and it's way too hot the
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hotness is a subjective experience that
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is created in my brain I have no ability
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to control it and as we just before I
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have no ability to select my thoughts or
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even really know ability to choose what
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I'm saying in this very conversation
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I've always said like if you focus on
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things you can realize that you don't
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even know how you talk right words just
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come out but you're not selecting them
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you're not really choosing them i don't
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even really know how i'm getting to the
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end of this sentence right now it's a
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thing that if you look at it with your
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attention you notice that it just
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happens but i am thinking of options
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like while you talk i'm thinking of will
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I say this next and then I'm i am
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running a filtering process i'm saying i
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won't say that because it'll make me
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look like a dig right maybe I'll say
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that because we fight on actually no
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that's not funny don't say that say this
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instead or say this change that word to
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that like I am
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it's not like I'm just like whoa man
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what just happened but I haven't made a
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series of decisions sometimes they're
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long considered decisions because you're
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waffling and I have time to think about
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exactly and and other times i'm making
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those decisions at the speed of light
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like on-the-fly like I am now but i do
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think decisions are being made
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yes but you're you are choosing from the
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options that occur to you
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yes I think that you just push the
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problem up one level when I according to
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you I'm not even doing that according to
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options are passing by and then I'm
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choosing the 1i had no choice but to
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choose but yeah I get me saying I'm
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trying to go on your level here like
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let's pretend for a second that values
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right what the the doctorate level video
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exactly it
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well always with this stuff I think you
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end up getting rap using black the
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conversation that occurs right yeah
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we're getting wrapped around the axle of
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the very word choose right and I think
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choose and decisions are always the
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words that you get everything messed up
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on but even let's say like granting the
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idea that you are choosing from the
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things that you thinking in your head
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and everybody has this experience right
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I i have the same experience to like
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trying to think of things to ask someone
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but you are still quote choosing among
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the alternatives that appear in your
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head but you have no choice about the
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alternatives that appear in your head
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and I feel like this is what always
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happens when we have a discussion about
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like talking with other humans and you
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tell me Brady always like oh just it's
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easy to talk to other humans you just
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say what pops into your head
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I don't feel like but things don't pop
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into my head right now I'm just sitting
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here with a totally empty ad and I don't
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know how to make things pop into my head
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in the course of human conversation that
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just because I haven't got all the
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options great doesn't mean free will
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doesn't exist I mean I lean towards
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freewill existing of course the only but
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anyway whatever maybe it doesn't maybe
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maybe does but even in my world of
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believing it exists
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I can't jump to the moon right now if i
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say all the moon looks nice i'm going to
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jump up there
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I can't do that it's not in my palette
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of options right and likewise when i'm
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thinking of something to say in a social
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situation and I'm choosing between the
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8th options that come into my head
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that's just my palette of you know the
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realities of the world just because the
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palate is limited doesn't mean free will
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doesn't exist so just because I'm having
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three or four thoughts and I'm deciding
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which one to say from this limited
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palette that was presented to me that
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doesn't explain away free will
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yeah I mean I understand what you're
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saying here and this is where we reach
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the crux of our disagreement because I'm
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like I agree
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people do not have an infinite number of
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choices an infinite number of choices
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would not prove that there was free will
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either I just think that the thing that
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I imagine is happening is happening on
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both levels you are not selecting from
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the options that appear in your brain
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you are not choosing among them either
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write that the things just occur and you
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have a subjective feeling of choice but
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there is no other thing that would have
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occurred worried too will rewind the
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thousand millennia and are still no
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consciousness why does it arise then we
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possible way but that's a different
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world does your thinking in that way
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consciousness ever make you think maybe
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there's something else going on and does
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that ever weekend your thoughts about
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free will do you ever think of
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consciousness can exist and that is
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completely ridiculous and bewildering
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some other level and therefore free will
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position ironclad and consciousness is
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just bewildering to what i would say is
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that may possibly occur is always just
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kicking the problem
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before about choosing where but you're
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choosing from options right but how do
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those options get there those options
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got there because those are the things
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that we're going to pop up in your mind
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you know it is the idea that that even
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if there was some kind of magic part of
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doesn't exist even if
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accept the idea that there's magic in
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the universe and and consciousness gets
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to it as close as I'm gonna get to be
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like maybe there's magic in the universe
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or the other thing which I sometimes
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have conversations with very sciency
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like this line of thinking but it seems
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quite reasonable to me is well why do we
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have to assume that every single part of
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the universe is perfectly logical and
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understandable like maybe built into the
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clockwork of the universe are parts that
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are not logical
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like we don't know how the universe
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works we don't know how everything
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happens and maybe consciousness is one
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of these things like this is just how
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the universe is consciousness exists and
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there's no ability to explain it in the
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same way that ultimately there's no
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ability to explain why an electron has
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the charge that it does it just does
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ability to explain things any further
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but you won't give that
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get-out-of-jail-free card to free will
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different kind of question
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mmm i'm open to this I'm not I'm not
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shutting that down but I I just haven't
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yet found a line of inquiry which I find
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convincing
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well great if nothing else you've given
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some great father to all those people
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that bad philosophy or bad talking or
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whatever going to do you really think
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they don't know the answers to the
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universe the little people may think
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that yeah those are absolutely always
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the best and i feel like in these
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podcasts where I'm like I'm very happy
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to acknowledge my total uncertainty and
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lack of knowledge in those conversations
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that always comes across as oh this guy
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tells everybody he knows everything ok i
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guess you don't actually listen to the
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podcast just because you sound too damn
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authority of grey it's just your curse
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that is perhaps what I think is the
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funniest complained that I get from
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people will say like oh he shouldn't
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speculate because the sound of his voice
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is too authoritative like okay I'm sorry
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i didn't realize i am forbidden from
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expressing my thoughts because they
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sound to legitimate when I say that like
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okay did we cover the item you wanted
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bookmark which is something you are
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unsure about ok yes i do want to
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bookmark one thing here for with the
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split brain study if I didn't think it
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wasn't the case i wouldn't have made the
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video but there was one thing that kept
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nibbling at my mind and I would not be
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surprised if in like 30 years as happens
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in science sometimes there comes a study
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where people say oh we know for a fact
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that the split-brain phenomena is is
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garbage right this isn't this isn't true
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and one of the things that just kept
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making me suspicious is in all of these
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studies there are limited ways to
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communicate with the silent hemisphere
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it's clear from reading some of the
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studies that the silent hemisphere it
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can read right it can it can understand
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written language right it can point to
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answers it can do all of this kind of
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stuff and in reading a bunch of these
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studies spanning over decades it felt
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like none of these studies ever got past
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the party trick phase right the kind of
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stuff that I talk about in the video
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like yes you can have it select a
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different block right you can have it
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disagree with the main hemisphere but I
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kept feeling like if there are
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scientists who are working on this for
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decades and there are some people who
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made their whole careers out of studying
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felt to me like why doesn't this ever go
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further
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the obvious question to me would be like
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okay let's try to communicate with the
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silent hemisphere more than just asking
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yes no questions
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let's try to get it to write answers
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like we have time we have decades of
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time let's try to ask the right
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what does it think is going on because
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the left hemisphere this is that this is
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a thing again everybody's brain does
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it's a thing that you can notice in
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yourself sometimes the left brain has
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this confabulation effect where it wants
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to weave together a coherent story about
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events that have occurred in its past
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normal people just with this kind of
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stuff like it's just something that
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those brains do so you're kind of not
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going to get a useful answer out of the
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regular talking hemisphere but does the
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right hemisphere do that too
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we don't know because I could never find
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any papers that went into this in any
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yep everything was always a party trick
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in a way of getting some disagreement
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but never going too far and i was a
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little bit suspicious about that and and
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what it made me think of was Hans the
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horse haha the horse was this this horse
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know whatever wasn't like the early
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nineteen hundreds that could supposedly
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do math like you could ask the horse
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math questions and i would click its
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hopes the number of times for the answer
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right it would stop it was for the
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number that i wanted
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yeah it would always get the math right
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and there were two things that were
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occurring here one of which was that the
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trainer was unintentionally unknowing to
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the trainer giving little signals to the
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horse of when to stop
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like when tells yeah a little-little
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tells and there are a couple of examples
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of taking on the horse away from the
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actual trainer and answering math
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questions it was still able to get it
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right but the thesis is that essentially
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the horse was reading the audience right
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that people are getting more and more
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tense as the horse gets closer to the
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correct answer and then kind of relieved
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when the horse doesn't and I don't know
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some of the split brain stuff like it
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just put a little doubt in my head of is
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maybe what's occurring people have a
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broken brain but the investigator it is
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kind of leading them down this path so
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that these phenomena are the same all
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the time and the only reason I worry
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about that is just partly because all of
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these papers are so old
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because this is not a surgery that's
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done anymore because there aren't very
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many of these people around and it's
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just like I just don't know there's like
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a trainee nickel in the back of my mind
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that that maybe this is one of those
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those cases like cases with false
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memories where the investigator is
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putting something into the mind of other
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people and so I just like a tiny doubt
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I don't know ok ok that's so that's the
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first little chink in the armor that's
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all and 8 i'm gonna bring your Jenga
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tower down over the years but but again
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my view of it reading through all this
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stuff was that was not the king
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like if I really thought that was the
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case i would have made this video in an
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entirely different way or not have made
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yeah but anything that i was just aware
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of like all this stuff is really old all
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of these different papers over different
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years are showing this this exact same
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kind of stuff and I just see no progress
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ever loved somebody trying to
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investigate the silent hemisphere i will
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just mention briefly the creepiest thing
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which I i left out of the video but
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there's one paper which is called
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conflicting communicative behavior in
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split-brain patient support for dual
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consciousness by Victor mark is an old
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paper with one of these patients but the
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freakish thing here is that this guy
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found a patient that had speech centers
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in both brains which is actually
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something that occasionally occurs in
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the population like not everybody has
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the speed sensor localized to one
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both and so this guy happen to find
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someone who was both a split brain
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patient and had speech hemispheres in
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both brains that's the fairytale it's
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remarkable but it's super creepy because
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he was able to get this patient to
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verbally disagree with herself so he
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would ask her questions about what's in
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your hand or you know can you feel
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something in your hand and she would
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essentially argue like yes no yes no and
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then would yell at herself that
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something is right and something is not
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right and the thing that I thought was
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it was just kind of like sad and creepy
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was he describes how she would get like
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really upset during these experiments
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and up at one point would say to the
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experimenter why do I lie to you like
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she's not able to explain her own
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scenario and something i'm reading
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through this paper i'm like this seems
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like oh this but i must have found the
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gold mine here right this is finally
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going to be the case where somebody is
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asking the other hemisphere like what
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does it think is going on but even with
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this was like wow of course know this
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patient happened to be mentally
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subnormal so like apparently he wasn't
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able to investigate or talk to the other
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hemisphere very well it's like
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I don't know it was just like everything
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worked out this way I don't know it's it
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was strange
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it's a weird weird project to research I
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mean I felt there like we're veering
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towards the issue of people who don't
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have split brains but have multiple
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personality disorders yet I mean do you
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think that's a whole separate thing or
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is this evidence of people having
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multiple consciousnesses or did you even
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go there
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this is one of these rabbit holes that I
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felt like I couldn't go fully down but
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obviously there is a lot of overlap here
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for a question of what is a multiple
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personality disorder or think that I
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think the modern term for it is like
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dissociative identity disorder it
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definitely like points in that direction
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as a place to go like maybe this is part
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of the explanation for what is occurring
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in those kinds of disorders you have
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other hemispheres are other parts of the
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brain that are way more active than they
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would otherwise be who knows who knows
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it's all very strange and i think this
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stuff is super interesting because
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consciousness is intrinsic to
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everybody's life
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well most people's lives probably but
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his maybe never explainable and I think
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that this split brain stuff is is the
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most concrete stuff that I could kind of
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point2 to talk about to say like maybe
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our experience of consciousness is
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different than what we think it is I
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think it's totally explainable cgpgrey
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is called it the miracle of the universe
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