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H.I. #67: Doctor Brady


00:00:00   great for this episode of this episode [TS]

00:00:01   only em will you call me dr. heron last [TS]

00:00:11   time we spoke we talked about brexit and [TS]

00:00:14   at that point in time we had no Prime [TS]

00:00:16   Minister and no idea of what might or [TS]

00:00:19   might not happen and now we do have a [TS]

00:00:21   prime minister things have moved along [TS]

00:00:24   in the world but i am still of the [TS]

00:00:27   opinion that I think it seems unlikely [TS]

00:00:30   the maximum breakfast is going to occur [TS]

00:00:32   I've been following the news like ever [TS]

00:00:34   so slightly and I just keep seeing a [TS]

00:00:36   whole bunch of like mustn't be so hasty [TS]

00:00:39   news with regard to brexit just [TS]

00:00:41   yesterday even saw a headline which was [TS]

00:00:43   the new prime minister announcing [TS]

00:00:44   something like we will not do article 15 [TS]

00:00:47   until the beginning of 2017 at the [TS]

00:00:50   earliest so I feel like the campaign to [TS]

00:00:52   push this back has begun [TS]

00:00:55   that's my feelings on what the current [TS]

00:00:57   state of players with brexit I have to [TS]

00:00:59   say I'm so upset about bricks for so [TS]

00:01:01   many reasons but one of the main ones is [TS]

00:01:03   I've never been one of those people [TS]

00:01:04   that's that into politics em and i [TS]

00:01:07   always find people who are like really [TS]

00:01:08   into politics and talking about all the [TS]

00:01:09   time a little bit annoying [TS]

00:01:11   yes like when people talk about sports [TS]

00:01:13   okay yeah fair enough for me politics [TS]

00:01:15   was that annoying thing and I've become [TS]

00:01:17   one of those people lately like I find [TS]

00:01:19   myself at dinner parties talking about [TS]

00:01:21   politics and I go out with people i talk [TS]

00:01:23   about politics number are no I've become [TS]

00:01:25   that annoying person better and 'iblame [TS]

00:01:27   breaks it so I'm really fighting against [TS]

00:01:29   it [TS]

00:01:30   fighting and I don't want to be that guy [TS]

00:01:32   because I know politics is well I mean [TS]

00:01:34   I'm not gonna say it's boring because [TS]

00:01:36   everyone finds different things [TS]

00:01:37   interesting and like you say I find [TS]

00:01:38   sport interesting [TS]

00:01:39   yes I'm not gonna say politics is boring [TS]

00:01:42   but politics is usually a disagreeable [TS]

00:01:44   thing to talk about a lot you know they [TS]

00:01:46   say it's one of those topics you [TS]

00:01:47   shouldn't bring up i need to tone that [TS]

00:01:48   down its politics be so interesting [TS]

00:01:51   lately though breaks or no breaks it's [TS]

00:01:53   just triggered such interesting stuff in [TS]

00:01:55   the political parties as they're all [TS]

00:01:57   sort of turned on themselves it's like [TS]

00:01:59   The Hunger Games you can't stop watching [TS]

00:02:00   it [TS]

00:02:02   it's funny I kind of agree that for a [TS]

00:02:04   long long time I was avoiding following [TS]

00:02:08   any of the brexit news and i'm still not [TS]

00:02:10   hugely following it now [TS]

00:02:13   but just around when we recorded our [TS]

00:02:15   last show I finally realized like oh [TS]

00:02:17   there is something interesting to talk [TS]

00:02:18   about here and I keep feeling like this [TS]

00:02:21   has given us the most perfect dilemma [TS]

00:02:23   for a representative democracy ever i'm [TS]

00:02:26   never super interested in the particular [TS]

00:02:28   details of the in party fighting or [TS]

00:02:30   who's doing what I do find the bigger [TS]

00:02:33   picture quite interesting now that if [TS]

00:02:37   I'm right the conservatives don't really [TS]

00:02:39   want to do this then I think it is like [TS]

00:02:41   this quandary of what is a [TS]

00:02:43   representative democracy to do and so I [TS]

00:02:46   think that's really interesting but [TS]

00:02:47   again as far as i can tell it looks like [TS]

00:02:49   they're just totally stalling for as [TS]

00:02:51   long as they possibly can i thought your [TS]

00:02:54   brakes a video was quite good too it was [TS]

00:02:55   a nice sort of crystallization of what [TS]

00:02:58   we discussed in the last episode I [TS]

00:02:59   thought it was a nice return to form [TS]

00:03:01   after a couple of bollocks videos you [TS]

00:03:02   can lightly so that's what I thank you I [TS]

00:03:04   really appreciate that [TS]

00:03:05   yeah every backhanded compliment I've [TS]

00:03:10   also found like you that it is [TS]

00:03:12   absolutely unavoidable to discuss brexit [TS]

00:03:16   with almost everybody in the whole of [TS]

00:03:18   the UK for the past couple weeks like it [TS]

00:03:19   since I came back from America and since [TS]

00:03:22   I've been here it's like literally [TS]

00:03:23   everybody wants to talk brexit you go to [TS]

00:03:25   like a dinner party you end up talking [TS]

00:03:27   brexit offense it up like just in cafes [TS]

00:03:30   like the person giving me the coffee [TS]

00:03:31   wants to talk breaks it like this [TS]

00:03:33   doesn't seem like an appropriate venue [TS]

00:03:34   for this budget is clearly on [TS]

00:03:36   everybody's mind is unavoidable dude [TS]

00:03:38   it's worse in America [TS]

00:03:40   well if you're the british guy like a [TS]

00:03:41   few the British in quotation marks [TS]

00:03:43   because because every party to go to [TS]

00:03:46   every day you go to every conversation [TS]

00:03:48   is all anyone wants to ask you about [TS]

00:03:49   it's like what the hell happened man [TS]

00:03:50   what's going on [TS]

00:03:51   explain to me and and being someone who [TS]

00:03:54   didn't vote for breakfast i'm having to [TS]

00:03:56   sort of try and explain what's going on [TS]

00:03:58   and I'm like putting a really difficult [TS]

00:04:00   situation but I feel like sort of the [TS]

00:04:02   freak in the room all the time so I was [TS]

00:04:04   glad to get out and no longer have to [TS]

00:04:06   answer questions about it we are again [TS]

00:04:08   going to be passing each other because [TS]

00:04:09   you have just recently gotten back to [TS]

00:04:12   the UK and i am going back to America [TS]

00:04:13   again tomorrow so we keep flipping [TS]

00:04:16   continents so you're back here you don't [TS]

00:04:18   have to keep explaining to people [TS]

00:04:20   what's going on you're not the [TS]

00:04:21   representative of the whole of the UK as [TS]

00:04:23   the australian guy and [TS]

00:04:25   anyway having done the video i mean [TS]

00:04:29   obviously we talked about on the podcast [TS]

00:04:30   but it's another order of magnitude when [TS]

00:04:32   you do a video on something [TS]

00:04:33   did you find you sort of your inboxes [TS]

00:04:35   and the ways that people try to get to [TS]

00:04:37   use to get sort of more demand than [TS]

00:04:38   usual or did you manage to show yourself [TS]

00:04:40   from all the hordes it was a hugely [TS]

00:04:44   hugely active discussion on the reddit I [TS]

00:04:47   sort of have a whole bunch of ways now [TS]

00:04:48   to filter out my email so that it [TS]

00:04:50   doesn't get exploded when this occurs [TS]

00:04:53   anymore which is useful [TS]

00:04:54   yeah but yeah there was a whole bunch of [TS]

00:04:55   discussion about it and as always [TS]

00:04:58   youtube comments aside at least on the [TS]

00:05:00   reddit comments I've found you know for [TS]

00:05:01   the most part people were pretty civil [TS]

00:05:03   in their disagreements and discussions [TS]

00:05:05   on what ya wise be a touchy topic [TS]

00:05:07   your people are passionate but I think [TS]

00:05:09   that's fair i think generally people are [TS]

00:05:10   more civil about it and some other [TS]

00:05:12   topics i do have some advice for people [TS]

00:05:14   that I mean people are obviously aware [TS]

00:05:15   that one of the places they could get [TS]

00:05:16   the attention of grey or to a lesser [TS]

00:05:18   extent myself is to go into our [TS]

00:05:21   subreddits I don't know if this is true [TS]

00:05:24   for you grab it is true for me if you do [TS]

00:05:25   want me to read your comment and reply [TS]

00:05:27   to it you can keep it sure is my [TS]

00:05:29   recommendation if you say here's what i [TS]

00:05:32   have to say and I see like 19 sentences [TS]

00:05:34   who you are wasting your time and I [TS]

00:05:37   think you probably wasting your time for [TS]

00:05:38   anyone to read it's just like posting up [TS]

00:05:40   five-minute youtube video versus a [TS]

00:05:42   40-minute youtube video people don't [TS]

00:05:44   even start when they see how long it is [TS]

00:05:46   from the start [TS]

00:05:47   Candace ice is k even if you've got a [TS]

00:05:49   lot to say you've got to think no just [TS]

00:05:52   say one thing because that's the only [TS]

00:05:53   chance anyone rate up [TS]

00:05:55   I feel sorry for these people that write [TS]

00:05:56   these big long essays like I've got [TS]

00:05:58   something to say and I want your [TS]

00:05:59   alternator and then you see this like [TS]

00:06:00   eight pages of text [TS]

00:06:02   it's like dude no one's reading that I [TS]

00:06:04   hope you realize it [TS]

00:06:05   yeah that's what they call the wall of [TS]

00:06:07   text right here is the giant wall of [TS]

00:06:09   text and you feel like am I going to [TS]

00:06:10   climb over this wall of text [TS]

00:06:12   no i'm not totally aware of that same [TS]

00:06:15   thing every once in awhile i read it i [TS]

00:06:18   think perhaps the time in my life when I [TS]

00:06:21   read the most biggest longest walls of [TS]

00:06:23   text ever was the great guns germs and [TS]

00:06:26   steel debate i did read like all of that [TS]

00:06:28   stuff but in a regular reddit thread [TS]

00:06:30   when someone leaves one of those just [TS]

00:06:31   like forget it i'm not going to read [TS]

00:06:33   this my other personal annoyance is when [TS]

00:06:36   people try to put two different things [TS]

00:06:38   in [TS]

00:06:38   single comments i always feel like you [TS]

00:06:40   have multiple things to say leave [TS]

00:06:42   multiple comments so that the thread [TS]

00:06:44   structure is really clear i always get [TS]

00:06:45   annoyed when people try to have like two [TS]

00:06:47   totally separate unrelated ideas in a [TS]

00:06:49   comment keep it clean people nice and [TS]

00:06:51   simple one idea proposed every post very [TS]

00:06:54   short there's only a finite amount of [TS]

00:06:56   attention in the world and you need [TS]

00:06:58   strategies to get people's attention [TS]

00:07:00   it's totally drew it without a doubt [TS]

00:07:02   that is the case i think i've said [TS]

00:07:03   before some point on this podcast but i [TS]

00:07:05   really do think that in the modern [TS]

00:07:08   internet interconnected info dense world [TS]

00:07:13   that the tension is a kind of currency [TS]

00:07:17   yeah that this is a thing that you have [TS]

00:07:18   to be mindful of and collecting up a [TS]

00:07:22   bunch of people's attention is a [TS]

00:07:23   valuable thing and how you spend your [TS]

00:07:25   own attention is a valuable thing and [TS]

00:07:28   then that rolls into what you're saying [TS]

00:07:29   here of how do you attempt to get the [TS]

00:07:31   attention of somebody else you have to [TS]

00:07:34   be strategic about it i mean the people [TS]

00:07:36   who are most successful on YouTube [TS]

00:07:38   people like yourself I mean I think your [TS]

00:07:41   greatest skill is the curation and [TS]

00:07:43   management of people's attention much [TS]

00:07:45   more than the quality of the video which [TS]

00:07:47   you make with your good but I think your [TS]

00:07:49   kin eNOS with a managing people's [TS]

00:07:51   attention is your greatest asset in many [TS]

00:07:53   ways [TS]

00:07:54   what do you mean by that I think you put [TS]

00:07:57   lots and lots of thought and strategy [TS]

00:07:59   into how to get people's attention and [TS]

00:08:05   sort of keep them interested in what [TS]

00:08:07   you're doing and engaged with you as a [TS]

00:08:09   creator [TS]

00:08:10   I think you think about it a lot more [TS]

00:08:12   than I do i think if i was going for [TS]

00:08:14   maximum amount of attention more lists [TS]

00:08:16   videos [TS]

00:08:17   no no but in some ways I I imagined you [TS]

00:08:19   as someone who ways that up [TS]

00:08:21   ways up the clickbait eNOS of you know a [TS]

00:08:24   list video or attention-grabbing [TS]

00:08:27   thumbnail versus the goodwill and [TS]

00:08:29   respect and longer-term attention of [TS]

00:08:31   someone who has more credibility and is [TS]

00:08:35   a bit more proper about such things I I [TS]

00:08:38   think you think about all these things a [TS]

00:08:39   lot because there's a downside to list [TS]

00:08:41   videos as well I can imagine you [TS]

00:08:43   thinking do I make a list video here's [TS]

00:08:46   what would be good about it would have a [TS]

00:08:47   lot of short-term upside but it might [TS]

00:08:50   have downside in the longer [TS]

00:08:52   and I made you as someone who thinks [TS]

00:08:53   about all this stuff I think you're very [TS]

00:08:55   canny is trying to do you think about [TS]

00:08:57   that stuff and actually just yesterday I [TS]

00:09:00   came up with I thought was a really good [TS]

00:09:01   idea for a list video so not against [TS]

00:09:03   this video's in principle it just [TS]

00:09:05   depends on on if it works but actually [TS]

00:09:07   since you bring this up i have a [TS]

00:09:08   question for you which is this is one of [TS]

00:09:11   those times where I feel like I don't [TS]

00:09:11   know if I'm having a subjective [TS]

00:09:13   experience you like you tune into with [TS]

00:09:15   thing and then there's just a whole [TS]

00:09:16   bunch of confirmation bias about the [TS]

00:09:17   thing or not but I feel like the cliq [TS]

00:09:22   babyness of headlines and thumbnails on [TS]

00:09:26   youtube has really gone up in the last [TS]

00:09:28   six months titles that are just [TS]

00:09:30   ambiguous or they have very clickbait [TS]

00:09:31   style thumbnails i don't know i have a [TS]

00:09:34   feeling like some switch got turned [TS]

00:09:36   somewhere in YouTube when they got even [TS]

00:09:38   better about a/b testing what it is [TS]

00:09:41   the humans will click on youtube but [TS]

00:09:43   maybe this is just my own subjective [TS]

00:09:45   experience of this i don't know i think [TS]

00:09:48   it's possible certainly I think a number [TS]

00:09:49   of people creating content on YouTube [TS]

00:09:51   obviously is going out but i think it's [TS]

00:09:52   going up exponentially who and I think [TS]

00:09:55   every man and their dog now considers [TS]

00:09:57   themself like a YouTube which is fine i [TS]

00:09:59   can be but it's inevitably going to [TS]

00:10:02   result in arms war when it comes to [TS]

00:10:05   attention seeking yeah well that's why [TS]

00:10:07   it's on my mind because I've been aware [TS]

00:10:08   for the last couple of videos and some [TS]

00:10:10   of the things that I'm trying to work on [TS]

00:10:12   now I've had this feeling like has this [TS]

00:10:14   arms war gotten strong enough that I [TS]

00:10:19   kind of have to give in and do more [TS]

00:10:21   click baby titles or more click baby [TS]

00:10:23   thumbnails because I generally don't [TS]

00:10:25   like kind of clickbait stuff it doesn't [TS]

00:10:28   just sit well with me but I've been [TS]

00:10:30   wondering if I'm just being foolish at a [TS]

00:10:33   certain point and maybe it's because I'm [TS]

00:10:36   thinking about that i am now more [TS]

00:10:38   sensitive to super click me any kind of [TS]

00:10:40   stuff on YouTube but interesting might [TS]

00:10:42   come up later on because if we talk [TS]

00:10:43   about when your videos later we'll talk [TS]

00:10:45   about cgpgrey bait [TS]

00:10:48   ok alright good talk about that later [TS]

00:10:51   go say saying we're doing follow-up we [TS]

00:10:56   better not go too far down the rabbit [TS]

00:10:57   hole emojis what's going on here [TS]

00:10:59   yes so we were discussing the emoji [TS]

00:11:01   flags last time [TS]

00:11:03   who-should-date-who should not get emoji [TS]

00:11:06   flags i believe i had a rock-solid [TS]

00:11:08   unmovable arguments about how the new [TS]

00:11:11   flags regenerated I think that's that my [TS]

00:11:14   memory of how it went [TS]

00:11:15   basically anything American or that you [TS]

00:11:18   fancy yeah i think that might have been [TS]

00:11:20   another conclusion that we came to I [TS]

00:11:23   wondered aloud in that episode of [TS]

00:11:24   Vatican City had a flag and the answer [TS]

00:11:26   is yes Vatican City does have a flag or [TS]

00:11:29   really did someone get back to you on [TS]

00:11:30   that day I only got a thousand messages [TS]

00:11:32   about i think every resident of Vatican [TS]

00:11:36   City must have said something about it [TS]

00:11:38   because i got at least that many emails [TS]

00:11:39   yeah there's one from the Pope right [TS]

00:11:42   listen and let us know i use the vatican [TS]

00:11:44   city or do flag every day at the team [TS]

00:11:47   the third yeah of course yes there was a [TS]

00:11:51   lot of feedback about that but what I [TS]

00:11:52   really like is a couple people pointed [TS]

00:11:54   out some of the more unusual flags that [TS]

00:11:57   are already in there so these include [TS]

00:12:00   places like western sahara which is sort [TS]

00:12:02   of ambiguous but not really a country [TS]

00:12:04   has a flag the I don't know how to [TS]

00:12:07   pronounce I think it's √•land islands [TS]

00:12:09   has a flag french polynesia has a flag [TS]

00:12:12   the british indian ocean territory has a [TS]

00:12:15   flag this bunch of just funny places [TS]

00:12:18   like Greenland and Kirk cow Kirko I [TS]

00:12:23   never have to say it even though I said [TS]

00:12:24   in a video once so they're already a [TS]

00:12:26   bunch of places that are sort of semi [TS]

00:12:29   sovereign independent places like [TS]

00:12:31   gibraltar like guernsey like Jersey like [TS]

00:12:34   the Isle of Man so there's already in [TS]

00:12:37   this list of country flags in the emoji [TS]

00:12:40   standard there's just a ton of weirdness [TS]

00:12:43   already and I just I thought that was [TS]

00:12:45   interesting the Isle of Man has a emoji [TS]

00:12:47   and Scotland doesn't that's correct that [TS]

00:12:50   is nuts right isn't it all i can think [TS]

00:12:52   of is how did someone sit down and make [TS]

00:12:54   this letter like I love man [TS]

00:12:55   yes Frank gibraltar yes Scotland [TS]

00:12:59   no no Scotland perfect that like what is [TS]

00:13:01   the reasoning for this also i thought [TS]

00:13:03   you might enjoy [TS]

00:13:04   have you seen the nopal emoji there we [TS]

00:13:08   go hunt know that had bit of a problem [TS]

00:13:10   with the Department every night to [TS]

00:13:11   describe what has gone wrong with the [TS]

00:13:13   nopal emerging obviously the proposed [TS]

00:13:15   not a rectangular flag is these two sort [TS]

00:13:18   of triangle stacked on top of each other [TS]

00:13:19   but what they're basically done for the [TS]

00:13:21   emojis had an all white rectangular flag [TS]

00:13:24   and then just put the pole triangles off [TS]

00:13:26   to the left hand side so it looks like [TS]

00:13:28   it's the triangle set on a white [TS]

00:13:30   background [TS]

00:13:31   yeah that is a bit of a disaster and the [TS]

00:13:32   thing that I find strange about that is [TS]

00:13:34   it's not as though emojis are required [TS]

00:13:38   to be rectangular right now Jesus come [TS]

00:13:40   in all kinds of crazy shapes but for [TS]

00:13:43   some reason to Paul when they have to [TS]

00:13:45   put a little white background on it like [TS]

00:13:46   oh no this is terrible you know there's [TS]

00:13:49   gonna be a technical reason great old [TS]

00:13:51   Flags have to be standardized and you're [TS]

00:13:53   gonna have like a nerd ever let your [TS]

00:13:54   people explaining why now there is no [TS]

00:13:56   reason why they have to be standardized [TS]

00:13:58   I've no but I bet there's a raising the [TS]

00:13:59   flags do for some reason it's been [TS]

00:14:01   decided all the flags must be the same [TS]

00:14:03   shape for some silly reason look like [TS]

00:14:05   all software stuff some human made it [TS]

00:14:08   this way you could make it a different [TS]

00:14:10   way you can have the nopal one just be a [TS]

00:14:12   special one right [TS]

00:14:13   they have the bizarre like businessman [TS]

00:14:15   floating over a whole shape emoji which [TS]

00:14:18   I don't understand at all like I don't [TS]

00:14:19   get that one if they can do that than [TS]

00:14:21   appalled one it can just be the two [TS]

00:14:23   triangles [TS]

00:14:23   yeah but there was some reason that I [TS]

00:14:25   said flags are going to be rectangular [TS]

00:14:27   because they're in some subset that [TS]

00:14:28   native standardized to be compatible [TS]

00:14:30   with some other thing I'm very confident [TS]

00:14:33   that there is no reason for this and if [TS]

00:14:35   there is a reason [TS]

00:14:36   please let breeding now is the [TS]

00:14:38   switzerland flag more square or is that [TS]

00:14:41   sort of rectangular as well because [TS]

00:14:43   obviously switzerland has that much more [TS]

00:14:44   square flag and others [TS]

00:14:46   let's see it's a little flag emoji least [TS]

00:14:50   with the little flag emoji is also [TS]

00:14:52   rectangular phone say this is playing [TS]

00:14:55   into my belief that I've decided to [TS]

00:14:56   rectangular eyes [TS]

00:14:58   no although national flags for some [TS]

00:14:59   reason that I don't get me wrong you [TS]

00:15:01   know how much I love the Napoleon I'm [TS]

00:15:03   outraged nothing like silly i'm just [TS]

00:15:05   saying there'll be some stupid reason I [TS]

00:15:07   think it's laziness that's probably [TS]

00:15:09   where is laziness of the reason well I [TS]

00:15:11   sure sure might be a better one that [TS]

00:15:15   might be right [TS]

00:15:16   alright so we had an email from a [TS]

00:15:20   listener know named Caleb who write all [TS]

00:15:24   sorts of things that i won't go into but [TS]

00:15:26   some of them are quite interesting [TS]

00:15:27   actually now that I'm reading a backup [TS]

00:15:28   forgotten half of these things what are [TS]

00:15:30   you doing here is your listeners you're [TS]

00:15:33   teasing me over you're going through [TS]

00:15:35   this email that what you're now going to [TS]

00:15:37   pick out the least interesting of the [TS]

00:15:38   things dimension as you go [TS]

00:15:40   it's a very proprietary email which I [TS]

00:15:42   find quite funny because so many hello [TS]

00:15:44   listeners a sort of a big gray vans so [TS]

00:15:47   he actually says if you're keeping track [TS]

00:15:49   I was a brady fan first periodic videos [TS]

00:15:51   is the first channel i subscribe to my [TS]

00:15:54   wife is a fan too [TS]

00:15:55   she loves objectivity she also wants you [TS]

00:15:58   to know she has a crush on you [TS]

00:16:00   this seems very likely to get cut from [TS]

00:16:02   the podcast yeah probably i'm making it [TS]

00:16:07   up so the thing that's really [TS]

00:16:09   interesting that Caleb says is i did a [TS]

00:16:12   small experiment in listening and I [TS]

00:16:14   listened [TS]

00:16:15   this is to hello Internet my recent in [TS]

00:16:17   reverse chronological order it is kind [TS]

00:16:20   of funny how often follow up was the big [TS]

00:16:22   conversation about something that and [TS]

00:16:24   earlier episodes has only been brought [TS]

00:16:27   up in passing it actually worked well [TS]

00:16:29   the only problem is that i finally made [TS]

00:16:31   it through the archive and I think this [TS]

00:16:33   raises an interesting question because [TS]

00:16:35   you know you get these people that say [TS]

00:16:36   you should watch that star wars films in [TS]

00:16:38   different orders and that sort of thing [TS]

00:16:40   and they even have names to these orders [TS]

00:16:42   machete order [TS]

00:16:43   yeah could we have the Caleb ordering of [TS]

00:16:46   listening to hello internet which is [TS]

00:16:47   listening in reverse chronological order [TS]

00:16:49   and I wonder what the pros and cons of [TS]

00:16:51   listening to a podcast in Reverse are [TS]

00:16:54   and what your thoughts are on that I [TS]

00:16:56   don't know it depends a lot on the [TS]

00:16:58   podcast [TS]

00:16:59   what do you do when you get into a new [TS]

00:17:00   podcast you think this looks good [TS]

00:17:02   will you tend to pick it up from where [TS]

00:17:04   they're at will you go to the start will [TS]

00:17:07   you ever go backwards will you just pick [TS]

00:17:08   and choose based on topics when you go [TS]

00:17:11   into a new podcast it's been around for [TS]

00:17:12   awhile whats your immersion strategy [TS]

00:17:16   ok so i generally listen to podcasts in [TS]

00:17:20   chronological order so if I find [TS]

00:17:24   something that I [TS]

00:17:25   think I might like I will go back and i [TS]

00:17:28   will download the whole of the archive [TS]

00:17:30   and I will listen in chronological order [TS]

00:17:32   and I always feel like that's the best [TS]

00:17:34   way to do it like that feels like the [TS]

00:17:36   best way to experience it because if you [TS]

00:17:38   doing it in reverse chronological order [TS]

00:17:40   like I have done this with some shows [TS]

00:17:42   and I just think it ends up in this [TS]

00:17:44   weird state whereas you're listening to [TS]

00:17:46   new episodes as they come out but then [TS]

00:17:48   you're also listening to old episodes so [TS]

00:17:50   you are a time traveler who is both [TS]

00:17:52   going forward and backward in time that [TS]

00:17:55   just sounds awesome [TS]

00:17:59   no it's it's confusing it's jarring it's [TS]

00:18:02   no good in my podcast player which is [TS]

00:18:05   i'm currently using overcast but you can [TS]

00:18:07   do this in a bunch of different podcast [TS]

00:18:09   apps I have all of my podcast ordered [TS]

00:18:13   oldest to newest by podcast so when i [TS]

00:18:18   open up my podcast player I'm always [TS]

00:18:20   seeing the oldest episodes and then I am [TS]

00:18:23   working my way through my podcasts that [TS]

00:18:26   way and there's a bunch of reasons why i [TS]

00:18:28   like to do this but i think that is the [TS]

00:18:30   best way to see how it changes and to [TS]

00:18:34   understand how the podcast is later on I [TS]

00:18:37   mean the disadvantages very often [TS]

00:18:39   podcasts kind of start off in the [TS]

00:18:41   beginning a little bit different than [TS]

00:18:42   they end up towards the end but i think [TS]

00:18:44   all the nuances is clearly the way to go [TS]

00:18:46   but what about you [TS]

00:18:47   that's disappointingly boring of you [TS]

00:18:49   great how thought maybe you would have [TS]

00:18:50   some twist on it not just like when we [TS]

00:18:53   go to the store and then follow through [TS]

00:18:54   to the end I mean of course that's the [TS]

00:18:56   logical way to do it but what you want [TS]

00:18:57   me to suggest you think I'm gonna do [TS]

00:18:58   random order I think you should listen [TS]

00:19:00   in completely random order so that [TS]

00:19:02   nothing in the universe makes sense well [TS]

00:19:04   in some ways that's what i do on course [TS]

00:19:06   yeah right okay uh-huh if there's a new [TS]

00:19:09   one a new podcast cause of most podcast [TS]

00:19:12   do get better over time said to going [TS]

00:19:14   straight back to the start you might [TS]

00:19:15   have to wade through some tree call [TS]

00:19:16   before they find their faith but also if [TS]

00:19:20   I find a new 1i listen to the most [TS]

00:19:22   recent episode because that basically [TS]

00:19:23   puts a marker in the sand that says is [TS]

00:19:26   this good or not and is the leadership [TS]

00:19:28   brighter is the future gloomy and if it [TS]

00:19:31   is good i would tend to look at the back [TS]

00:19:33   catalogue and just cherry-pick the [TS]

00:19:35   titles that I think look like they'll be [TS]

00:19:37   about things that interest me [TS]

00:19:39   because I'm very aware that if you [TS]

00:19:40   listen to our episodes are we talking [TS]

00:19:42   about things that are no longer in the [TS]

00:19:43   news their opinions may have changed on [TS]

00:19:45   things and I couldn't getting riled up [TS]

00:19:47   by things that are no longer relevant [TS]

00:19:49   so I tend to just go back and look at [TS]

00:19:51   the ones that are all that's that's [TS]

00:19:53   really going to be in my sweets but all [TS]

00:19:54   the plane crash episode i listen to that [TS]

00:19:56   one right and ignore lots of the back [TS]

00:19:58   catalog so cherry pick from the past and [TS]

00:20:00   pick up from where they're at the moment [TS]

00:20:02   tends to be my philosophy but see here's [TS]

00:20:05   why I really like doing all kinds of [TS]

00:20:09   media in terms of oldest to newest I [TS]

00:20:12   think there's a lot of advantages and [TS]

00:20:13   going oldest to newest and I do the same [TS]

00:20:17   thing like when I save articles to read [TS]

00:20:19   like a compressive button on my web [TS]

00:20:21   browser and save them into an app to [TS]

00:20:22   read later i also have those kinds of [TS]

00:20:25   things open up oldest to newest because [TS]

00:20:28   i find that time acts as a kind of [TS]

00:20:33   attention filter so if I'm always [TS]

00:20:35   listening to stuff kind of behind the [TS]

00:20:38   actual current time or I'm reading [TS]

00:20:41   articles that past me saved several [TS]

00:20:44   weeks ago instead of what passed me [TS]

00:20:46   saved minutes ago [TS]

00:20:47   it acts as a kind of filter like do I [TS]

00:20:49   actually care about this thing anymore [TS]

00:20:51   and so very often like when a podcast [TS]

00:20:54   will come up [TS]

00:20:55   I feel like oh great this podcast is [TS]

00:20:57   talking about things that are totally [TS]

00:20:58   not relevant to me anymore i can just [TS]

00:21:00   delete and I feel like great I got an [TS]

00:21:02   hour of my life back because this thing [TS]

00:21:04   would have mattered when I would have [TS]

00:21:06   listened to it but it doesn't matter now [TS]

00:21:08   that i'm listening you know weeks behind [TS]

00:21:10   and I feel like it's an excellent way to [TS]

00:21:12   have a bit of perspective on what [TS]

00:21:14   matters are or what doesn't matter like [TS]

00:21:16   with articles as well it's really easy [TS]

00:21:18   to save a bunch of articles to read [TS]

00:21:21   later that you realize later I don't [TS]

00:21:24   really care i only just carried in the [TS]

00:21:26   moment and so you're acting as a kind of [TS]

00:21:28   chronological attention filter for the [TS]

00:21:32   media that you consume is the same [TS]

00:21:34   reason why do this with like movies to [TS]

00:21:36   watch and books to read like I put them [TS]

00:21:38   all on a list and you let future you see [TS]

00:21:40   what still matters or what is still [TS]

00:21:43   relevant [TS]

00:21:43   that sounds like you're describing my [TS]

00:21:45   method more than your method where you [TS]

00:21:47   pick up from where it's at now but you [TS]

00:21:49   look at the past and cherry-pick the [TS]

00:21:50   things that are worthy of your attention [TS]

00:21:52   rather than listening to everything [TS]

00:21:53   you're advocating what I said know what [TS]

00:21:56   you said no but I don't just go through [TS]

00:21:58   the back catalogue and select randomly i [TS]

00:22:00   will say like download absolutely [TS]

00:22:02   everything and then I just delete as I'm [TS]

00:22:04   going through right if something isn't [TS]

00:22:05   relevant to the current well that's [TS]

00:22:07   that's just semantics i mean it's just a [TS]

00:22:09   mechanism i mean i'm looking at the [TS]

00:22:11   whole back catalogue em I'm may not have [TS]

00:22:13   put them onto my player i'm just looking [TS]

00:22:15   at the fade and then I'm just deleting [TS]

00:22:17   in my mind anti-lock I'm not gonna [TS]

00:22:19   listen to that one that's not where they [TS]

00:22:20   look at the place where you can come [TS]

00:22:22   unstuck with your strategy and maybe it [TS]

00:22:24   doesn't matter because you wouldn't [TS]

00:22:26   listen to this sort of podcast anyway [TS]

00:22:27   it's because you live in your bubble you [TS]

00:22:30   might not know what's relevant or not [TS]

00:22:33   and if i can give you an example [TS]

00:22:34   okay huh there's a podcast i quite like [TS]

00:22:36   at the moment it's the BBC politics one [TS]

00:22:38   with this guy called John pain is really [TS]

00:22:40   good and every Sunday he does interview [TS]

00:22:42   so I download up and a week or so ago [TS]

00:22:45   his sunday show was about the battle for [TS]

00:22:48   the prime ministership of Britain around [TS]

00:22:50   the two women who had come down to this [TS]

00:22:53   face-off and now we're previewing the [TS]

00:22:55   candidates and talking about it and I [TS]

00:22:56   downloaded it and thought that's going [TS]

00:22:58   to be a nice listen tomorrow and of [TS]

00:23:00   course the next day one of those [TS]

00:23:01   candidates dropped out and Theresa May [TS]

00:23:03   became prime minister now if i lived in [TS]

00:23:06   the gray bubble and didn't know that I [TS]

00:23:07   could have settled in with my pipe and [TS]

00:23:09   much smoking jacket and set on the sofa [TS]

00:23:11   and thought this is gonna be a nice [TS]

00:23:13   listen I would spend an hour and a half [TS]

00:23:15   listening to this great setup of this [TS]

00:23:17   great contest that was about to happen [TS]

00:23:18   and then I would have thought I can't [TS]

00:23:20   wait to find out who wins and then I'll [TS]

00:23:22   found out a little finish to cut the [TS]

00:23:24   days before and I would feel like all [TS]

00:23:26   that was a waste of my time that preview [TS]

00:23:28   of that battle didn't even happen it [TS]

00:23:29   would be like watching a two-hour [TS]

00:23:31   preview of a big football match that [TS]

00:23:32   then gets cancelled [TS]

00:23:33   you can never understand the way even [TS]

00:23:35   phrase things two things here first of [TS]

00:23:36   all you always imagine that I'm just [TS]

00:23:38   totally isolated from the outside world [TS]

00:23:40   one hundred percent since it was very [TS]

00:23:42   likely that you would know that a prime [TS]

00:23:44   minister has been elected it's the same [TS]

00:23:46   way when I'm going through stuff oldest [TS]

00:23:47   to newest I am dimly aware of events [TS]

00:23:50   that have occurred in the world which is [TS]

00:23:52   the very reason I'm able to select what [TS]

00:23:54   it is that I do or do not want to listen [TS]

00:23:55   to and secondly if you did settle town [TS]

00:23:58   with your pipe to listen to this [TS]

00:24:00   excellent excellent preview of the Prime [TS]

00:24:02   Minister battle that was coming up when [TS]

00:24:04   it was over wouldn't be in [TS]

00:24:06   terribly satisfying to say I wonder who [TS]

00:24:08   won this battle but then you would [TS]

00:24:10   immediately get to know the answer it's [TS]

00:24:12   like binge watching TV i have actually [TS]

00:24:14   done that on occasion with stuff why I [TS]

00:24:17   know an event has occurred but I'm [TS]

00:24:19   listening to people discuss an event [TS]

00:24:20   beforehand sort of listen I think I'm [TS]

00:24:23   gonna sit here and try to make a [TS]

00:24:24   prediction about what will occur and was [TS]

00:24:27   fantastic as i get to know if I'm right [TS]

00:24:28   instantly don't get me wrong right in [TS]

00:24:30   response to your response [TS]

00:24:31   first of all i don't think i [TS]

00:24:33   underestimate how out-of-touch you are [TS]

00:24:35   you never cease to amaze me with new [TS]

00:24:37   stories you haven't heard of it's never [TS]

00:24:39   okay that's another argument that is [TS]

00:24:42   another argument about it still never [TS]

00:24:43   ceases to amaze me [TS]

00:24:45   and second of all there's nothing wrong [TS]

00:24:47   with living your life with a little bit [TS]

00:24:49   of a time offset i don't think i do it [TS]

00:24:51   quite as dramatically as you but I do it [TS]

00:24:53   sometimes I think it's hugely beneficial [TS]

00:24:55   yeah and I do if I not shopping on a [TS]

00:24:57   Sunday because that i will often record [TS]

00:25:00   the ground pray that day and avoid all [TS]

00:25:02   social media so I don't know the result [TS]

00:25:04   and last night I will watch the race and [TS]

00:25:06   I'm five or six hours behind the rest of [TS]

00:25:09   the world but i'm getting just as much [TS]

00:25:10   excitement from watching it five or six [TS]

00:25:12   hours later so you there's nothing wrong [TS]

00:25:14   with the time officer and in many ways i [TS]

00:25:16   see that's what you do in your life in a [TS]

00:25:18   lot of ways you you offset time and [TS]

00:25:20   that's fine [TS]

00:25:21   the problem with this politics situation [TS]

00:25:23   is you'd be doing a time offset and they [TS]

00:25:26   did nothing wrong with hearing about the [TS]

00:25:28   contest and then finding out what [TS]

00:25:29   happened later with the contest but if [TS]

00:25:32   the contest gets cancelled altogether [TS]

00:25:33   there is a little bit of a robbery that [TS]

00:25:36   happened because they'll be talking [TS]

00:25:37   about things that they think will happen [TS]

00:25:38   over the next six weeks em and they [TS]

00:25:40   could tell you and then they're going to [TS]

00:25:41   be doing this in two weeks time and [TS]

00:25:43   they're going to be having a debate in [TS]

00:25:44   the community hole in three weeks time [TS]

00:25:45   and i think when that debate comes that [TS]

00:25:47   you know and if none of that stuff even [TS]

00:25:49   happens I do think you have sunk a [TS]

00:25:51   little bit of time into something you [TS]

00:25:53   probably shouldn't have [TS]

00:25:54   so there is value to be gained from [TS]

00:25:57   thinking huh that's what everyone [TS]

00:25:58   thought would happen and not have it [TS]

00:25:59   happened isn't that interesting but put [TS]

00:26:01   it this way i didn't listen to it [TS]

00:26:02   because I thought it would be a waste of [TS]

00:26:03   my time but it right and greatly save [TS]

00:26:06   yourself an hour of your life [TS]

00:26:08   I mean this is you know when i started [TS]

00:26:09   doing this little I mean a long time ago [TS]

00:26:11   now i used to listen to more political [TS]

00:26:14   shows that i currently do i mean i don't [TS]

00:26:16   think i have anything that could be even [TS]

00:26:17   described as a political show on my [TS]

00:26:19   subscriptions anymore I know but of [TS]

00:26:21   course shows sometimes touch on politics [TS]

00:26:23   because it's unavoidable but it was [TS]

00:26:25   precisely this time offset that made me [TS]

00:26:27   realize like why am I even listening to [TS]

00:26:28   these political shows anyway it's almost [TS]

00:26:29   always stuff that totally doesn't matter [TS]

00:26:31   in a week if I wait a week to listen to [TS]

00:26:34   it and then it has no impact on anything [TS]

00:26:37   well why am i listening to it the moment [TS]

00:26:40   that it comes out there's not really any [TS]

00:26:41   benefit there so I'm feeling a extra [TS]

00:26:44   intense about this because i was just [TS]

00:26:46   talking to a friend of mine who I was [TS]

00:26:47   trying to talk out of for a while paying [TS]

00:26:49   attention to the news and he did do my [TS]

00:26:51   like read newspapers a week later [TS]

00:26:53   experiment was like oh yeah like [TS]

00:26:55   introducing this time delay makes it [TS]

00:26:56   really obvious that none of this stuff [TS]

00:26:58   actually matters and so I feel like [TS]

00:27:00   everybody should have a little bit of a [TS]

00:27:01   time delay with everything that they're [TS]

00:27:02   doing because time axis and excellent [TS]

00:27:04   filter of what are you going to be [TS]

00:27:07   interested in long-term not just what do [TS]

00:27:10   you think you're interested in [TS]

00:27:11   immediately [TS]

00:27:13   well yeah where does that end I mean [TS]

00:27:15   nothing matters in the long term doesn't [TS]

00:27:16   we're all gonna be dead in 60 or 70 [TS]

00:27:18   years we might as well just stop it [TS]

00:27:19   doing anything [TS]

00:27:20   excellent extrapolation breeding him [TS]

00:27:23   possibly disagree [TS]

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00:29:01   thank goodness for fracture site can we [TS]

00:29:05   do a paper cut [TS]

00:29:06   of course there's a British paper cut my [TS]

00:29:08   paper cut is everyone trying to solve my [TS]

00:29:11   problems online now I've discussed this [TS]

00:29:16   before in the context of relationships [TS]

00:29:18   gonna go [TS]

00:29:20   it can happen both ways but i think from [TS]

00:29:22   what I've heard and what I've [TS]

00:29:24   experienced and what i've read mail was [TS]

00:29:26   a more guilty of this than females but [TS]

00:29:28   everyone does it and that is when [TS]

00:29:31   someone complains or has a problem right [TS]

00:29:34   they don't necessarily want you to try [TS]

00:29:36   and solve it sometimes they just want [TS]

00:29:39   some sympathy or they want to vent and [TS]

00:29:41   trying to solve it is not what you [TS]

00:29:42   should do disagree you what I'm sorry [TS]

00:29:44   it's true if your wife come home from [TS]

00:29:46   work and had a difficult day and it's [TS]

00:29:48   been so difficult i had a really tough [TS]

00:29:49   day today they don't necessarily want [TS]

00:29:52   you to say we should have done this for [TS]

00:29:53   tomorrow you should do this sometimes [TS]

00:29:55   they just want and I'm around the [TS]

00:29:57   shoulder or a sympathetic word saying [TS]

00:29:59   well that sounds tough [TS]

00:30:00   good on you for getting through it let's [TS]

00:30:02   have dinner and I think the same is true [TS]

00:30:04   on social media if I'm sometimes griping [TS]

00:30:07   about something that annoys me [TS]

00:30:08   for example the twitter app and I'm [TS]

00:30:11   saying not so annoying twitter i don't [TS]

00:30:14   want a huge big long list of all the [TS]

00:30:16   other different apps i should use or the [TS]

00:30:18   different things i should do or we told [TS]

00:30:21   our that's a crap you shouldn't be using [TS]

00:30:22   anyway sometimes I just want people to [TS]

00:30:24   either say yeah sucks doesn't it or just [TS]

00:30:28   say you know don't worry that was a [TS]

00:30:30   funny joke you made at their expense [TS]

00:30:32   anyway good on you [TS]

00:30:33   that's also drawn I don't want to be [TS]

00:30:35   told all the things i'm doing wrong and [TS]

00:30:37   all the things i should change just put [TS]

00:30:39   your arm around my shoulder and say yeah [TS]

00:30:41   I here [TS]

00:30:42   man you don't have to solve problems [TS]

00:30:45   why do you want to wallow in your own [TS]

00:30:46   problems and not receive solutions [TS]

00:30:48   because that's human just like that [TS]

00:30:50   sometimes sometimes I don't want to [TS]

00:30:52   solve the problem they just want to grow [TS]

00:30:53   if someone has a solution [TS]

00:30:55   don't you want to hear the solution no [TS]

00:30:57   not necessarily [TS]

00:30:58   well now you know that because usually a [TS]

00:31:01   solution implies that i'm doing [TS]

00:31:03   something wrong and if i'm feeling [TS]

00:31:05   pissed off [TS]

00:31:06   you're just gonna piss me off even more [TS]

00:31:07   by telling me I'm doing something wrong [TS]

00:31:09   just tell me you're on my side [TS]

00:31:11   don't like but what if you are doing [TS]

00:31:13   something wrong if you and I great if [TS]

00:31:14   you and I played football together okay [TS]

00:31:16   and I was the goalkeeper for the team [TS]

00:31:18   and we made the world cup final okay and [TS]

00:31:20   right at the end of the world cup final [TS]

00:31:21   I jumped the wrong way and let in a girl [TS]

00:31:23   and we lost the world cup final at the [TS]

00:31:26   end of the game when i'm in tears in [TS]

00:31:28   front of a hundred thousand people in [TS]

00:31:29   the stadium I would not want you to come [TS]

00:31:32   up to me and say Brady if we make the [TS]

00:31:34   world cup finals again in four years and [TS]

00:31:36   that happens next time jump to the left [TS]

00:31:38   it was obviously shirts comparison ever [TS]

00:31:41   because there's no because there's no [TS]

00:31:42   solution for that [TS]

00:31:43   that's a situation where is there a [TS]

00:31:45   solution that could be offered no [TS]

00:31:47   there's no solution at all it's like out [TS]

00:31:48   you just lost us the big game [TS]

00:31:51   I'm sorry buddy right I'll put my arm [TS]

00:31:53   around you but if you're like oh I have [TS]

00:31:55   a problem with the twitter client I [TS]

00:31:56   don't like this thing about it and [TS]

00:31:57   somebody says oh there's a different [TS]

00:31:59   twitter client that does things [TS]

00:32:00   differently that's a solution what [TS]

00:32:02   you're saying here is a bit like it like [TS]

00:32:04   someone's talking about like a death in [TS]

00:32:06   the family and someone's like well you [TS]

00:32:07   know if we invented anti-death [TS]

00:32:09   technology right then this wouldn't be a [TS]

00:32:11   problem is like now this is not even [TS]

00:32:12   remotely comparable you're giving an [TS]

00:32:14   analogy for which there is no solution i [TS]

00:32:16   would not offer a solution for like you [TS]

00:32:18   should have jumped the other way [TS]

00:32:19   that's just what is it like Monday [TS]

00:32:22   morning quarterbacking if we had a time [TS]

00:32:24   machine and could go back in time things [TS]

00:32:25   could have been different [TS]

00:32:26   that kind of stuff is just obnoxious [TS]

00:32:28   because at the end of the game they [TS]

00:32:30   would be value in you telling me if that [TS]

00:32:33   happens again in the future game Brady [TS]

00:32:35   you should jump to the left or you know [TS]

00:32:36   learn from experience in the heat of the [TS]

00:32:38   moment and in three or four weeks after [TS]

00:32:41   the football game there would be value [TS]

00:32:42   and is watching the video together and [TS]

00:32:44   saying now Brady if you're goalkeeping [TS]

00:32:45   again and that same player does that [TS]

00:32:47   thing now you know what to do but in the [TS]

00:32:49   heat of the moment when passions are [TS]

00:32:52   high that is not the time [TS]

00:32:54   the solutions this is the time for [TS]

00:32:57   sympathy and a consulting arm and it's [TS]

00:32:59   the same on twitter if I'm venting on [TS]

00:33:01   Twitter and making a joke or saying [TS]

00:33:03   something angry I just want my friends [TS]

00:33:05   to kind of agree with me and agree that [TS]

00:33:07   things are crap I don't want them to be [TS]

00:33:09   with their arms crossed in there serious [TS]

00:33:12   cgpgrey voice telling me will in fact [TS]

00:33:14   there is a solution to that problem with [TS]

00:33:16   your venting about I just let the steam [TS]

00:33:18   rise and that the passions guy and then [TS]

00:33:21   later on I'll probably find the solution [TS]

00:33:23   myself i'm just venting [TS]

00:33:24   I don't want you all telling me stuff [TS]

00:33:26   like that I'm sorry and if i'm wrong [TS]

00:33:29   okay but then why are there like [TS]

00:33:31   thousands of books and bits of advice [TS]

00:33:33   along these lines to about like you know [TS]

00:33:36   relationships and stuff saying when one [TS]

00:33:38   person's like you know upset and venting [TS]

00:33:40   about their problems it doesn't mean [TS]

00:33:41   they want you to sit there and solve [TS]

00:33:42   them [TS]

00:33:43   this is like a known thing but we're not [TS]

00:33:47   married that doesn't matter you know [TS]

00:33:48   we're not we're not married right this [TS]

00:33:50   doesn't matter right so the cyst in the [TS]

00:33:51   big book of why brady and gray cannot be [TS]

00:33:54   shipped together right this would be [TS]

00:33:55   another one of these examples of like [TS]

00:33:57   Brady comes home and just wants to talk [TS]

00:33:59   about his feelings and once no solutions [TS]

00:34:01   to easily solvable problems and gray has [TS]

00:34:03   no patience for this whatsoever [TS]

00:34:05   I don't get me wrong great i'm guilty of [TS]

00:34:06   this I am guilty of this when people are [TS]

00:34:08   upset i'm also mr. know-it-all saying [TS]

00:34:11   well you should have done this or next [TS]

00:34:13   time you should do that or you could fix [TS]

00:34:15   that but I do it but the minute i do I [TS]

00:34:17   realize that some mistake [TS]

00:34:19   pepperidge it you in any way yeah that's [TS]

00:34:22   what that's what we do and that's [TS]

00:34:24   certainly what everyone who follows me [TS]

00:34:26   on Twitter does everything the closest I [TS]

00:34:29   can get to sympathizing with this is if [TS]

00:34:32   I complaint on the podcast about [TS]

00:34:33   something or if I complain on twitter [TS]

00:34:35   about something [TS]

00:34:35   people often offer solutions but where I [TS]

00:34:39   get annoyed at is when someone solution [TS]

00:34:41   is no good right when their solution [TS]

00:34:44   doesn't work and usually it's because [TS]

00:34:45   you have not adequately understood the [TS]

00:34:48   problem domain solution offer that you [TS]

00:34:50   are just giving me a thing that doesn't [TS]

00:34:53   actually make stuff better [TS]

00:34:55   it's just an alternative this is not [TS]

00:34:56   actually a solution and that's where I [TS]

00:34:59   get annoyed just feels like you don't [TS]

00:35:00   understand the problem if I want a [TS]

00:35:02   solution i will make it clear that i [TS]

00:35:03   want a solution if I'm just trying to be [TS]

00:35:06   a wise ass and making jokes at [TS]

00:35:08   which is expense okay just go with me [TS]

00:35:10   you keep flipping around a couple of [TS]

00:35:12   things here which is your joking on [TS]

00:35:14   Twitter or like you're complaining about [TS]

00:35:16   a thing that has a solution loser to [TS]

00:35:19   again totally different social scenarios [TS]

00:35:22   right i think so you don't think so i [TS]

00:35:24   think if something is pissing me off [TS]

00:35:26   like you know I'm saying I've got a sore [TS]

00:35:28   hand because of the way i'm holding the [TS]

00:35:29   iphone i can make some joke as my way of [TS]

00:35:32   venting my frustration or i could say [TS]

00:35:34   has anyone got any suggested alternative [TS]

00:35:36   ways to hold an iphone because my hands [TS]

00:35:38   hurting there are two different ways of [TS]

00:35:40   dealing with problems sometimes you put [TS]

00:35:42   the call out for help [TS]

00:35:43   sometimes you say this is pissing me off [TS]

00:35:45   I'm just gonna take a swipe at them [TS]

00:35:46   because that's what we do these days [TS]

00:35:49   look if people have adequate solutions [TS]

00:35:51   they should offer them this is clearly [TS]

00:35:53   the better path in society just sitting [TS]

00:35:55   around everybody feeling sorry for [TS]

00:35:58   everybody else it gets you nowhere [TS]

00:35:59   disagree but you are alright well I'm i [TS]

00:36:03   guess i'm suffering from expert ake [TS]

00:36:06   because everyone's an expert and I have [TS]

00:36:08   you know another hundreds and hundreds [TS]

00:36:10   of them sharing their expertise with [TS]

00:36:11   milk i can only handle so much expertise [TS]

00:36:14   which one solution don't you this is [TS]

00:36:16   what i don't understand I don't [TS]

00:36:17   understand this part not always and look [TS]

00:36:20   this is behavior that you can train [TS]

00:36:22   people out of four why do you think I'm [TS]

00:36:24   talking about it [TS]

00:36:25   no I'm that you can train people out of [TS]

00:36:27   the behavior where all they're doing is [TS]

00:36:29   complaining because they want a bunch of [TS]

00:36:31   sympathy from other people just shower [TS]

00:36:33   me with sympathy so that I feel better [TS]

00:36:37   in my own wallowing like now you can [TS]

00:36:39   train people out of this if this is the [TS]

00:36:40   thing that you can do you can learn to [TS]

00:36:42   stop doing this and I think you're [TS]

00:36:44   better off if you stop doing that right [TS]

00:36:46   just complaining to get sympathy from [TS]

00:36:47   other people [TS]

00:36:48   it's not a good personality trait well [TS]

00:36:50   when you say it like that it sounds very [TS]

00:36:53   bad yet because that's what it is that's [TS]

00:36:55   but let me phrase it another way it's [TS]

00:36:57   turning to my fellow men and women for [TS]

00:36:59   comfort in times of made until 50 yeah [TS]

00:37:04   oh my god alright but again there's like [TS]

00:37:06   a whole range of scenarios here right [TS]

00:37:09   we'll put like death in the family of [TS]

00:37:11   turning to humankind for comfort and [TS]

00:37:14   need to on the other side complaining [TS]

00:37:17   about stuff that is potentially fixable [TS]

00:37:19   at the other end right and I just think [TS]

00:37:21   so many people like to complain about [TS]

00:37:23   stuff that's potentially fixable [TS]

00:37:25   I mean the classic example of this is [TS]

00:37:27   someone comes home and they start [TS]

00:37:29   complaining about a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:37:30   related to their job right this is like [TS]

00:37:32   the standard scenario and and the answer [TS]

00:37:34   in that is ok well let's talk about this [TS]

00:37:38   let's come up with solutions like are [TS]

00:37:40   there things that you can do differently [TS]

00:37:41   at your job or enjoy your job [TS]

00:37:43   this is where it is good that you are [TS]

00:37:45   matched with your wife because you are [TS]

00:37:52   wrong about that you have wrong you are [TS]

00:37:55   wrong that you should always sit down [TS]

00:37:56   when someone is complaining and say [TS]

00:37:58   let's talk this through [TS]

00:38:00   I know for a fact that i'm not wrong on [TS]

00:38:02   this but I just agree with you and I [TS]

00:38:04   also disagree with some of the analogies [TS]

00:38:06   your drawing for a change to with deaths [TS]

00:38:08   in the family but it's not really [TS]

00:38:09   something we could wait into we could [TS]

00:38:11   totally weight into it look just to make [TS]

00:38:13   it simple like I know like teenage much [TS]

00:38:16   younger me used to have this thing that [TS]

00:38:18   everybody is where like you complain [TS]

00:38:19   about a thing and then you're like [TS]

00:38:20   you're wanting people to express [TS]

00:38:22   sympathy with you right like I used to [TS]

00:38:24   do this when I was a kid but then you [TS]

00:38:26   can train yourself out of this behavior [TS]

00:38:28   right nothing useful is happening to you [TS]

00:38:31   nothing useful is happening to the [TS]

00:38:32   people that you're talking to like you [TS]

00:38:34   can learn not to do this degree I don't [TS]

00:38:36   great if I say man Twitter's crap and I [TS]

00:38:40   make some funny joke and everyone's like [TS]

00:38:41   yeah Barry you made a funny joke anyway [TS]

00:38:43   great was crap i feel better stop right [TS]

00:38:45   there [TS]

00:38:45   humor is a thing that is valuable in and [TS]

00:38:48   of itself if you are complaining about a [TS]

00:38:49   thing in such a way that other people [TS]

00:38:51   are laughing and it's a funny story that [TS]

00:38:53   is valuable but you're moving the [TS]

00:38:55   goalposts here this was my original goal [TS]

00:38:58   posts [TS]

00:38:59   how was your original goal okay okay [TS]

00:39:01   yeah well I wasn't saying [TS]

00:39:03   twitter is really poor and causing me [TS]

00:39:05   some frustration today most and then [TS]

00:39:08   being upset by people saying alternative [TS]

00:39:10   to twitter i was making like a wiseass [TS]

00:39:12   comment about the twitter app about [TS]

00:39:14   something about I didn't like i was [TS]

00:39:15   making like a joke about it okay and [TS]

00:39:17   then everyone's like water use you know [TS]

00:39:19   use this button use this news tweet ball [TS]

00:39:21   use this and you've got this setting [TS]

00:39:22   I'm not our man I was just making a joke [TS]

00:39:25   their crap yeah I don't know that i'm [TS]

00:39:27   using the wrong app now I understand [TS]

00:39:28   clearly everybody when Brady makes jokes [TS]

00:39:30   on Twitter just laugh at his jokes [TS]

00:39:32   that's all he wants [TS]

00:39:34   the goalie big Normie or unfollow me or [TS]

00:39:37   mute me but don't give me tech support [TS]

00:39:39   if I want tech support I'll ask for it [TS]

00:39:41   actually won't take support alko gray [TS]

00:39:43   got there I know it's gonna happen [TS]

00:39:46   they're really i am the tech support for [TS]

00:39:49   a bunch of youtubers and that's fine [TS]

00:39:51   now you've been going to ground too much [TS]

00:39:53   like you're impossible to get your worse [TS]

00:39:54   than usual at the moment [TS]

00:39:55   what do you mean I'm always reachable as [TS]

00:39:58   I ever have been [TS]

00:39:59   I think you've been a bit less reachable [TS]

00:40:00   lightly I don't agree with them [TS]

00:40:02   ok maybe i'm wrong i think you're wrong [TS]

00:40:04   so as you know the olympic games are [TS]

00:40:06   about to start shortly [TS]

00:40:08   do you know where they're being held no [TS]

00:40:15   right there bring him a couple of weeks [TS]

00:40:17   in rio I literally did not know that [TS]

00:40:22   it's okay it's okay to be honest I've [TS]

00:40:25   been about less excited by these [TS]

00:40:26   olympics i haven't been getting as hyped [TS]

00:40:28   by them as I normally would [TS]

00:40:29   oh yeah you normally get super excited [TS]

00:40:31   for the Olympics I wouldn't say I get [TS]

00:40:33   super excited by them but I'm not [TS]

00:40:35   looking forward to them that much but [TS]

00:40:37   hopefully that changes and so obviously [TS]

00:40:39   normally I wouldn't have much to talk [TS]

00:40:41   about with you about the Olympics but [TS]

00:40:43   there was a story that caught my eye a [TS]

00:40:45   couple of days ago that I thought even [TS]

00:40:48   you made slightly raised one eyebrow to [TS]

00:40:50   him [TS]

00:40:51   I think it's a bit of a publicity stunt [TS]

00:40:52   but i still think it's awesome the [TS]

00:40:54   people from the charity [TS]

00:40:56   english heritage here in the UK have [TS]

00:40:58   started a petition calling for the [TS]

00:41:01   re-introduction or not the [TS]

00:41:02   reintroduction i think the first time [TS]

00:41:04   introduction to the Olympics for the [TS]

00:41:08   sport of ousting who can you imagine [TS]

00:41:13   jesting at the Olympics I think even you [TS]

00:41:15   would watch that [TS]

00:41:16   yeah I'd watch that at least once but [TS]

00:41:18   that's that big so I haven't actually [TS]

00:41:21   looked at the petition yet but this sort [TS]

00:41:23   of arguing that Justin requires a lot of [TS]

00:41:26   skill and strength and things like that [TS]

00:41:28   and i find that hard to argue with I [TS]

00:41:31   think Justin must be pretty difficult [TS]

00:41:32   sport to be good at and i think i'd be [TS]

00:41:35   up for i think i'm willing to [TS]

00:41:37   potentially pending further [TS]

00:41:39   investigation particularly regarding the [TS]

00:41:42   well-being of animals I'd be up for [TS]

00:41:45   consideration of justic [TS]

00:41:47   I was just quickly trying to pull this [TS]

00:41:49   up here and of course you know when you [TS]

00:41:51   google for Olympic Games jousting [TS]

00:41:52   there's all kinds of pictures of people [TS]

00:41:55   on horseback in armor in front of [TS]

00:41:57   castles I feel like yes correct we meet [TS]

00:42:00   more there it looks amazing it would [TS]

00:42:04   definitely be a condition of my support [TS]

00:42:06   that the Justice war metal armor and not [TS]

00:42:08   some rubber modern suits with helmets [TS]

00:42:10   that have to be wearing our school [TS]

00:42:13   jousting outfit I don't want the nike [TS]

00:42:15   rubber jousting suit one hundred percent [TS]

00:42:17   agree go metal or go home right I don't [TS]

00:42:20   feel like we've made a super safe just [TS]

00:42:22   assume not interested in her and not to [TS]

00:42:24   use like virtual cyber polls casting [TS]

00:42:28   sticks or anything has to be hosting [TS]

00:42:29   stick that thing is unlikely that the [TS]

00:42:31   name of them the whole thing that makes [TS]

00:42:33   this exciting is it seems stupidly [TS]

00:42:36   dangerous right [TS]

00:42:38   yeah there's all kinds of dumb sports in [TS]

00:42:40   the Olympics that people bring up all [TS]

00:42:42   the time I don't see why Justin couldn't [TS]

00:42:44   be part of this i mean if you or someone [TS]

00:42:46   else now I would get into a conversation [TS]

00:42:49   with you about golf in the Olympics [TS]

00:42:51   which has been the big controversy is [TS]

00:42:52   golf Olympics the Gulf is in this [TS]

00:42:54   olympics now [TS]

00:42:56   thumbs down yeah well it's causing a lot [TS]

00:42:58   of problems actually is this new this [TS]

00:42:59   year [TS]

00:43:00   yes I totally disagree with and the [TS]

00:43:03   problem is all the good players are [TS]

00:43:04   pulling out partly because of the Zika [TS]

00:43:07   virus which is this problem and rio at [TS]

00:43:09   the moment but it also is just basically [TS]

00:43:10   betraying how unserious Lee they're [TS]

00:43:12   taking it and the introduction of golf [TS]

00:43:14   into the olympics i think was a very [TS]

00:43:15   cynical moved by the international [TS]

00:43:18   olympic committee and it's just turning [TS]

00:43:20   into a bit of a debacle I would much [TS]

00:43:22   rather watch jousting than golf at the [TS]

00:43:23   Olympics [TS]

00:43:24   why is it a cynical move is just get the [TS]

00:43:26   Gulf eyeballs on to the Olympics is that [TS]

00:43:28   the world idea particularly in Asia [TS]

00:43:30   because in Asia golf has a huge [TS]

00:43:32   following and in Asia is a bit less [TS]

00:43:34   engagement with the other pics then in [TS]

00:43:36   some other parts of the world so I think [TS]

00:43:37   they thought if we get golf in there [TS]

00:43:39   that will increase people's interest and [TS]

00:43:41   also just golf as a sport attracts huge [TS]

00:43:44   corporate sponsorship in general so I [TS]

00:43:46   think they're thinking if we've got golf [TS]

00:43:47   at the Olympics you know we'll have more [TS]

00:43:49   big corporate deals and better sponsors [TS]

00:43:51   and things like that so I mean I guess [TS]

00:43:54   golf is the sport of the corporate world [TS]

00:43:56   of course yeah exactly but it doesn't [TS]

00:43:58   mean it has to be in the Olympics and I [TS]

00:43:59   think that Ben [TS]

00:44:00   showing up now because the players don't [TS]

00:44:02   care but you know the players have the [TS]

00:44:03   four tournaments they really want to win [TS]

00:44:05   every year moving pictures and one of [TS]

00:44:07   them so they're quite happy to pull out [TS]

00:44:09   and you know they're citing this Zika [TS]

00:44:11   virus concern which is fair enough but [TS]

00:44:13   it's not hitting other sports in the [TS]

00:44:16   same way so just sounds really boring i [TS]

00:44:18   mean that's my own personal bias against [TS]

00:44:20   golf is it's it's really dull not [TS]

00:44:23   yes good golf tournaments don't get me [TS]

00:44:24   wrong I like watching a good major if [TS]

00:44:27   there was any sport that was present in [TS]

00:44:29   the house when I was growing up it was [TS]

00:44:31   golf on TV by my father and I always [TS]

00:44:34   thought this is incredibly boring does [TS]

00:44:37   your dead leg off [TS]

00:44:38   yeah he does play golf I'm not sure how [TS]

00:44:40   much you please currently but at least [TS]

00:44:42   when I was in high school my dad played [TS]

00:44:44   golf pretty regularly and I was out on [TS]

00:44:47   the court a couple of times [TS]

00:44:49   the court is that not just realize about [TS]

00:44:52   nothing right way to describe your cool [TS]

00:44:54   and of course as you might expect the [TS]

00:44:58   best part of playing golf was driving [TS]

00:45:01   the golf cart for me that was the super [TS]

00:45:03   fun part and those things can really [TS]

00:45:04   move with the floor it and oh yeah [TS]

00:45:06   there's my fondest memories of being out [TS]

00:45:08   on the golf course is riding in the [TS]

00:45:11   electric golf cart [TS]

00:45:13   what other kind of terminology and I you [TS]

00:45:16   have the the wooden clubs and you have [TS]

00:45:19   the iron clubs [TS]

00:45:20   yeah kinda I mean kind of theirs that [TS]

00:45:22   you have the wooden clubs in the iron [TS]

00:45:24   clubs you have woods and ions yeah but [TS]

00:45:26   most of the time they're actually made [TS]

00:45:28   of wood is cold words right but the wood [TS]

00:45:31   clubs are for long-distance shots of [TS]

00:45:34   remember irons are for the close shots [TS]

00:45:36   because they have their steeper so you [TS]

00:45:38   can do little fun upward trajectories [TS]

00:45:40   yeah that's you unite ions and you're [TS]

00:45:42   pitching wedges and sandwiches and right [TS]

00:45:44   and there's been apart for the course [TS]

00:45:46   when you get the expected number of [TS]

00:45:48   strokes per hole [TS]

00:45:50   what if you get one less than you should [TS]

00:45:51   have gone for that how is that a birdie [TS]

00:45:54   something yet is it really is [TS]

00:45:56   yes what if you get one more than you [TS]

00:45:58   should have got for that how I have no [TS]

00:46:00   idea [TS]

00:46:00   have I got nothin nothin bernie is the [TS]

00:46:02   only only one I knew there that bogey [TS]

00:46:04   bogey ok alright i feel like i should [TS]

00:46:07   have known these things but I don't if [TS]

00:46:08   you get to less than you should have got [TS]

00:46:10   for the whole to less that's awesome [TS]

00:46:12   what's better than a bird [TS]

00:46:13   I have no idea i got another berry [TS]

00:46:16   that's that's an eagle amigo ok [TS]

00:46:19   oh yeah that sounds familiar so what if [TS]

00:46:21   you get to worse and you should have got [TS]

00:46:22   for a whole what's worse than a bogey [TS]

00:46:24   penguin is a penguin rather boring [TS]

00:46:29   that's just a double bogey double bogey [TS]

00:46:30   out okay I bet you can guess what you [TS]

00:46:32   get for three worse than how [TS]

00:46:33   triple-bogey yeah you're learning fast [TS]

00:46:36   man [TS]

00:46:37   here we go what an exciting sport this [TS]

00:46:39   golf is so so tell you what like I might [TS]

00:46:42   know a lot about golf terminology and I [TS]

00:46:44   know nothing about jesting terminology [TS]

00:46:46   so that's that's next for me I couldn't [TS]

00:46:48   knew anything about jesting that I know [TS]

00:46:50   that they just it's a tilt yard is the [TS]

00:46:53   word for where they're jamming sting and [TS]

00:46:56   we still got the wikipedia article i [TS]

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00:48:41   well dr. heron yes how are you feeling [TS]

00:48:45   today [TS]

00:48:45   hmm do you feel knowledgeable do you [TS]

00:48:49   feel worldly I'm feeling wise feeling [TS]

00:48:53   very wise i'm feeling a steam it [TS]

00:48:56   congratulations by the way [TS]

00:49:00   congratulations on your honorary [TS]

00:49:02   doctorates thank you very much [TS]

00:49:04   it was a really really great day for [TS]

00:49:06   those who don't know the University of [TS]

00:49:09   Nottingham where I've done a lot of work [TS]

00:49:11   for many years now awarded an honorary [TS]

00:49:13   doctorate a few days ago as we're [TS]

00:49:16   recording and it was at the graduation [TS]

00:49:18   ceremony for the school of physics with [TS]

00:49:21   all the physics and astronomy students [TS]

00:49:22   who did real hard work and we're getting [TS]

00:49:24   there richly deserved degrees and [TS]

00:49:27   doctorates and things and also had to [TS]

00:49:28   put up with a short speech about me and [TS]

00:49:31   me getting an honorary doctorate at the [TS]

00:49:33   University and got a certificate and I [TS]

00:49:35   got to dress up in funny clothes and I [TS]

00:49:37   got treated like a VIP and it was one of [TS]

00:49:40   the best days ever and it was that I had [TS]

00:49:42   a smile from ear to ear and it was just [TS]

00:49:45   a few notches below wedding day in terms [TS]

00:49:47   of just super super happy days [TS]

00:49:50   that's fantastic i watched your speech [TS]

00:49:54   online the video is available and in the [TS]

00:49:56   show notes for anybody who wants to see [TS]

00:49:58   it i think i did a very good job kept it [TS]

00:50:00   nice and short [TS]

00:50:01   nice and punching short is usually good [TS]

00:50:04   you're just good at things that it's a [TS]

00:50:06   funny thing that the day like I compared [TS]

00:50:09   it to a wedding and it is like that it's [TS]

00:50:10   one of those days where like there's [TS]

00:50:12   lots of attention on you and there's [TS]

00:50:13   lots of good will and everyone's just [TS]

00:50:15   really happy for you and you're feeling [TS]

00:50:18   a lot of love and that's really nice [TS]

00:50:21   like it's a really great celebration but [TS]

00:50:23   the thing that's funny about it is [TS]

00:50:24   you're very aware that it's happening [TS]

00:50:27   for like a hundred and fifty people at [TS]

00:50:29   the same time [TS]

00:50:30   in the same room and their families and [TS]

00:50:32   friends are there and they're the center [TS]

00:50:34   of their world and the person next to [TS]

00:50:35   them has their family and friends there [TS]

00:50:37   and as they come up in like that [TS]

00:50:39   conveyor belt and they're having their [TS]

00:50:40   names right out and they're shaking the [TS]

00:50:42   hand of the vice-chancellor that's a [TS]

00:50:43   really big moment in their life and for [TS]

00:50:45   their family and it's all happening so [TS]

00:50:47   much and so simultaneously it's a really [TS]

00:50:50   difficult thing to get your head around [TS]

00:50:51   and I tried to reflect some of that also [TS]

00:50:53   what I said you know I realized that the [TS]

00:50:56   day wasn't about me in many ways it [TS]

00:50:57   wasn't about me because I just had an [TS]

00:50:58   honorary doctor and these people had [TS]

00:51:00   done the real deal and they were the [TS]

00:51:01   real heroes of the day so I hope I [TS]

00:51:04   reflected that in some way but it was a [TS]

00:51:05   really great day for me and it was [TS]

00:51:07   really great day 473 other people as [TS]

00:51:10   well so how did it come about that you [TS]

00:51:14   got an honorary doctorate like what is [TS]

00:51:17   the process for selecting an honorary [TS]

00:51:19   doctor [TS]

00:51:20   well I don't entirely know who they give [TS]

00:51:24   out some every year i don't know how [TS]

00:51:25   many they give out i would guess in the [TS]

00:51:27   range of that doesn't normally two [TS]

00:51:29   people a lot more restrained than me [TS]

00:51:31   that have done amazing things in [TS]

00:51:32   business or whatever for umpteen many [TS]

00:51:35   years suddenly it was really nice for [TS]

00:51:36   them to give one to me names are [TS]

00:51:39   submitted by people who I don't know why [TS]

00:51:43   didn't I don't you know I I don't think [TS]

00:51:45   about when i submitted discussions that [TS]

00:51:48   had committees may the Center of the [TS]

00:51:50   University then considers I imagine they [TS]

00:51:53   considered recommendations and approved [TS]

00:51:57   to them i don't know what gets [TS]

00:51:58   disapproved but it all happened behind [TS]

00:51:59   my back my wife was actually aware of it [TS]

00:52:01   because they needed information about me [TS]

00:52:03   to consider the application so it turns [TS]

00:52:05   out professor merrifield at the [TS]

00:52:07   University of Nottingham who I think had [TS]

00:52:09   a bit to do with this contacted my wife [TS]

00:52:11   to find out things about my past and [TS]

00:52:13   history and work and things like that [TS]

00:52:16   the doing background checks on you to [TS]

00:52:17   make sure that they something terrible [TS]

00:52:19   well maybe yeah there was some some of [TS]

00:52:21   that so it all happened behind my back [TS]

00:52:23   and I knew nothing about it whatsoever [TS]

00:52:24   at all and then I got a letter from the [TS]

00:52:27   vice-chancellor of the University a few [TS]

00:52:28   months ago actually my wife was with me [TS]

00:52:30   at the time like this university [TS]

00:52:32   envelope came and more physical [TS]

00:52:33   what's that we're going to work with and [TS]

00:52:36   because obviously i do business with the [TS]

00:52:37   university I was like are just be some [TS]

00:52:39   boring letter about something financial [TS]

00:52:41   I've got to do or something so i wasn't [TS]

00:52:42   going to open and she said [TS]

00:52:44   it opened at me so I opened it and it [TS]

00:52:46   was this of course is lovely letter from [TS]

00:52:47   the boss of the unique saying we're [TS]

00:52:49   going to give you this honorary [TS]

00:52:50   doctorate so I was over the moon and [TS]

00:52:52   then obviously waited a few months and [TS]

00:52:54   when did all the official ceremony stuff [TS]

00:52:56   this week and it was great it's great [TS]

00:52:59   they get that was a special VIP lunch [TS]

00:53:01   beforehand and got to wear the robes and [TS]

00:53:04   the silly Hatton walk down the aisle at [TS]

00:53:06   all the fancy pompous music and national [TS]

00:53:10   anthems and I loved all the formality of [TS]

00:53:12   it and got my certificate and very cool [TS]

00:53:17   doctor of letters is what I am I have to [TS]

00:53:22   say the picture of you signing the [TS]

00:53:24   certificate i guess that's what that is [TS]

00:53:26   in front of you that you have on your [TS]

00:53:28   blog which might be one of my favorite [TS]

00:53:30   pictures if you ever somehow I don't [TS]

00:53:32   know it just it just looks perfect here [TS]

00:53:34   there's little fancy outfit you have a [TS]

00:53:36   funny look on your face I really really [TS]

00:53:38   like this photo of dr. Brady at the [TS]

00:53:42   ceremony i think it's it's absolutely [TS]

00:53:43   fantastic [TS]

00:53:44   so you of course you don't have a doctor [TS]

00:53:46   as far as i know you didn't reach that [TS]

00:53:49   level did you know I i have not reached [TS]

00:53:51   the heights that you have read spreading [TS]

00:53:53   now so is there anything you'd like to [TS]

00:53:55   ask me then that's probably the more [TS]

00:53:56   pertinent question now that you know I [TS]

00:53:58   can [TS]

00:53:58   is there anything I can help you is a [TS]

00:53:59   now I mean mostly mostly when I'm saying [TS]

00:54:03   stuff i usually just want sympathy [TS]

00:54:05   I don't want the kind of answer is that [TS]

00:54:06   a learned man of letters might be able [TS]

00:54:08   to Paris so I just like to throw stuff [TS]

00:54:11   out there and I mean that's basically [TS]

00:54:12   what I'm doing is I'm sympathizing with [TS]

00:54:14   your your lower level of education is [TS]

00:54:16   drew its i am a mirror a mirror peasant [TS]

00:54:19   in your shadow now you can also do you [TS]

00:54:24   think you could change the hello [TS]

00:54:25   internet website to say it's presented [TS]

00:54:26   by cgpgrey and dr. Brady Haran well i [TS]

00:54:29   mean i think that is an interesting [TS]

00:54:32   question because although I you know I [TS]

00:54:35   don't want to dwell on this fact but i [TS]

00:54:36   understand that there are some questions [TS]

00:54:38   about whether or not [TS]

00:54:40   honorary doctors can use the doctor [TS]

00:54:43   honorific outside of the day of ceremony [TS]

00:54:45   that occurs this is a fair question and [TS]

00:54:48   I think should be addressed [TS]

00:54:49   I mean I don't want to bring it up I [TS]

00:54:51   don't wanna I don't want to poo poo on [TS]

00:54:52   your parade here no no course it's [TS]

00:54:55   basically the only question anyone [TS]

00:54:57   I've about the whole thing exactly [TS]

00:54:59   bracket phrase perhaps in the way of [TS]

00:55:03   yeah but are you a real doctor [TS]

00:55:05   my position is that I am NOT who there [TS]

00:55:09   is mixed opinion on actually and [TS]

00:55:11   different people do different things [TS]

00:55:12   with that and you can read different [TS]

00:55:14   things about it but I think the proper [TS]

00:55:17   way is to not use it and the only way it [TS]

00:55:20   gets used is an official correspondence [TS]

00:55:22   with the university that bestowed on you [TS]

00:55:24   but there are people who have taken the [TS]

00:55:28   name doctor within honorific degree like [TS]

00:55:30   this [TS]

00:55:31   mm I think Benjamin Franklin was one of [TS]

00:55:33   them okay yeah yeah so i may be wrong [TS]

00:55:36   about that but I'm sticking with it [TS]

00:55:38   until you google it and find out [TS]

00:55:40   otherwise i'm not doing that all i can [TS]

00:55:42   hear your steampunk keyboard his thing [TS]

00:55:44   away in the background I don't let me so [TS]

00:55:46   other than for this week and times of [TS]

00:55:49   convenience [TS]

00:55:50   mm I'm not gonna roll out using it maybe [TS]

00:55:52   on some plain bookings and her in the [TS]

00:55:56   hotel gonna get parades I'm not gonna [TS]

00:55:57   roll it out [TS]

00:55:58   I haven't done it and I don't [TS]

00:55:59   necessarily do it but I i want to leave [TS]

00:56:01   that option open if you think that's how [TS]

00:56:03   they do upgrades clucking at look we [TS]

00:56:05   have the doctor I don't think that's how [TS]

00:56:07   that works [TS]

00:56:08   probably not but probably not but I mean [TS]

00:56:10   some people say yeah you should do you [TS]

00:56:12   know get some of your things changed and [TS]

00:56:14   that but I don't think it's the done [TS]

00:56:16   thing and it's not going to be the done [TS]

00:56:17   thing by me so I'm just having a couple [TS]

00:56:20   of days of glory lording it over people [TS]

00:56:23   like my sister who was ahead of me in [TS]

00:56:25   the education stakes were so long as I'm [TS]

00:56:27   now telling her that I'm ahead of her [TS]

00:56:28   but other than that it's just like a [TS]

00:56:31   nice price and some nice recognition and [TS]

00:56:33   a really fun day with all the people at [TS]

00:56:35   the University who I really like and [TS]

00:56:38   care about and they did a nice thing for [TS]

00:56:39   me and being able to stick it to your [TS]

00:56:41   sister is a really nice bonus there is [TS]

00:56:44   nice is nice she didn't realize till the [TS]

00:56:47   day she just thought i was getting an [TS]

00:56:48   honorary degree she didn't realize it [TS]

00:56:49   was this doctor of letters so when she [TS]

00:56:51   found that out [TS]

00:56:52   she went from being really like proud [TS]

00:56:53   and congratulate ritu a little bit [TS]

00:56:55   pissed off [TS]

00:56:56   haha murica does this sibling rivalry as [TS]

00:56:59   opposed to what ya say we had a bit of [TS]

00:57:00   banter gag on the on the I message to [TS]

00:57:03   the big moment but she's the one person [TS]

00:57:04   i am going to insist calls me dr. heron [TS]

00:57:06   in all correspondence yeah [TS]

00:57:08   think that's legitimate that's the way [TS]

00:57:09   that you work it's funny though the [TS]

00:57:11   longer this conversation goes on i can I [TS]

00:57:13   mean normally I have always been of the [TS]

00:57:14   opinion of a honorary doctorates [TS]

00:57:16   obviously those people shouldn't use the [TS]

00:57:19   word doctor but i find myself thinking [TS]

00:57:21   like well presumably most of the time [TS]

00:57:24   when honorary doctorates are given out [TS]

00:57:26   it is to acknowledge work that is done [TS]

00:57:29   in a field right a presentation that was [TS]

00:57:32   given for you was about the genuine work [TS]

00:57:35   that you have done in the field of [TS]

00:57:38   science [TS]

00:57:39   it was a doctor of letters though it's [TS]

00:57:40   about creatives because you can be can [TS]

00:57:42   be made a doctor of science as well and [TS]

00:57:44   there is a doctor of letters which [TS]

00:57:46   apparently is just actually a pig of a [TS]

00:57:47   PhD in like the pecking order level [TS]

00:57:50   oh my of university things but it's [TS]

00:57:53   supposedly for like you know a body of [TS]

00:57:55   work over an extended period of time [TS]

00:57:57   which you've become an expert and this [TS]

00:57:59   was for educational videos and films [TS]

00:58:02   over a 10-year period and there's a [TS]

00:58:05   whole duration and reasons given for it [TS]

00:58:07   and i have to say my impression and it [TS]

00:58:10   was also my wife's impression was on the [TS]

00:58:12   day it suddenly seems like a bigger deal [TS]

00:58:14   than we realize doesn't like suddenly at [TS]

00:58:16   the end we were like that's actually [TS]

00:58:18   like a really big thing they just did [TS]

00:58:19   for me that like I just thought it was [TS]

00:58:20   like a prize that you sometimes get in [TS]

00:58:23   laughs whoohoo but it felt like a really [TS]

00:58:25   big deal and I was really I was bursting [TS]

00:58:27   with pride at the end of it I was [TS]

00:58:28   ninety-five percent proud and honored [TS]

00:58:31   and five percent humbled [TS]

00:58:33   well of course humbled in the proper [TS]

00:58:35   sense of what i would consider the [TS]

00:58:36   proper sense of the word because I kind [TS]

00:58:38   of felt like I'm not sure I deserve this [TS]

00:58:40   this seems like a really big thing [TS]

00:58:41   they're giving me and I'm just like some [TS]

00:58:42   creepy guy who does a podcast with great [TS]

00:58:45   and the podcast and grey did get a [TS]

00:58:48   mention in the speech by the way and [TS]

00:58:50   when our listing off the things i do i [TS]

00:58:52   believe they may reference it as clearly [TS]

00:58:55   the most relevant part of this award [TS]

00:58:57   yeah but again it like in all [TS]

00:58:59   seriousness i'm finding my mind kind of [TS]

00:59:01   changing in the course of this [TS]

00:59:02   conversation I'm thinking how again the [TS]

00:59:06   idea like you said of a doctorate is [TS]

00:59:08   some contribution over a period of time [TS]

00:59:11   like a unique thing that you have done [TS]

00:59:14   i feel like i dunno people whose actual [TS]

00:59:17   work for their doctorate while yes they [TS]

00:59:21   did a unique thing that no one else has [TS]

00:59:23   ever done [TS]

00:59:24   the end result of that was like a [TS]

00:59:27   document that sits on a shelf somewhere [TS]

00:59:29   in the University which is never looked [TS]

00:59:31   at again by human being and I feel like [TS]

00:59:35   you've gotten this for doing a body of [TS]

00:59:37   work that genuinely has a bunch of [TS]

00:59:39   influence on other people [TS]

00:59:42   I feel like if universities are giving [TS]

00:59:44   out honorary doctorates for comparable [TS]

00:59:48   kind of things to individuals who are [TS]

00:59:50   doing bodies of work then it feels like [TS]

00:59:54   how is this kind of not real like you [TS]

00:59:57   are hearing me having a discussion in [TS]

00:59:58   which I feel my mind is [TS]

00:59:58   which I feel my mind is [TS]

01:00:00   is changing on a thing it is partly [TS]

01:00:02   contingent upon I don't know how [TS]

01:00:04   seriously all universities take honorary [TS]

01:00:07   doctorates yeah i mean obviously up i [TS]

01:00:11   would like to have some sympathy with [TS]

01:00:12   the argument you're making having just [TS]

01:00:13   received what right and i also have like [TS]

01:00:16   a conflict of interest now the course [TS]

01:00:17   you do i say that you know if if you've [TS]

01:00:19   been doing something for 10-15 I mean [TS]

01:00:23   I've been a journalist for over 20 years [TS]

01:00:24   of doing science for a lot of her i [TS]

01:00:26   guess you do get a level of expertise [TS]

01:00:29   that's comparable to someone who study [TS]

01:00:31   something for three years in an [TS]

01:00:33   institutional environment so I see the [TS]

01:00:35   argument for that it probably means a [TS]

01:00:37   lot of people who are eligible for [TS]

01:00:38   honorary doctorates of course because a [TS]

01:00:40   lot of people become experts in their [TS]

01:00:41   field so where do you draw the line but [TS]

01:00:43   it does become unstuck because some [TS]

01:00:45   universities and I don't think the [TS]

01:00:48   University of Nottingham is guilty of [TS]

01:00:49   this but some universities do turn them [TS]

01:00:52   into sort of attention seeking events [TS]

01:00:54   and therefore give them two celebrities [TS]

01:00:57   or people they think will get lots and [TS]

01:00:58   lots of media attention or just do it [TS]

01:01:01   for more gimmicky ways and that probably [TS]

01:01:03   devalue them sometimes much the same way [TS]

01:01:05   that the Nobel Prize the piece Nobel [TS]

01:01:07   Prize sometimes gets devalued when they [TS]

01:01:09   give one to people who other people [TS]

01:01:11   don't think deserve but everyone knows [TS]

01:01:13   that the laughingstock Nobel Prize well [TS]

01:01:15   what nobel prize that they give that to [TS]

01:01:18   everybody [TS]

01:01:19   anyway yeah i hear your argument and I'd [TS]

01:01:21   like to think it's true but well because [TS]

01:01:22   I'm just thinking this thing about Oh [TS]

01:01:24   giving out honorary degrees on seriously [TS]

01:01:27   is that well is this problem many [TS]

01:01:29   different from things like diploma Mills [TS]

01:01:31   right universities where you can [TS]

01:01:32   essentially just buy a diploma or get [TS]

01:01:35   that just hand out diplomas to [TS]

01:01:36   absolutely everybody [TS]

01:01:37   maybe this is a kind of self sorting [TS]

01:01:39   problem where universities have [TS]

01:01:41   reputations that they care to maintain [TS]

01:01:44   so those universities are less likely to [TS]

01:01:46   do just pandering kind of things with [TS]

01:01:49   honorary degrees [TS]

01:01:50   I don't know I just I feel like my whole [TS]

01:01:52   world view about what does the degree [TS]

01:01:54   mean as being thrown into confusion all [TS]

01:01:56   of a sudden [TS]

01:01:57   yeah I mean people have a very set idea [TS]

01:01:59   of what it means and i think i probably [TS]

01:02:00   have that set idea as well which is why [TS]

01:02:02   I'm quite self-deprecating about the 1i [TS]

01:02:05   received because i'm i'm more that [TS]

01:02:06   old-school that a degree in a doctorate [TS]

01:02:08   means you set in University and did x [TS]

01:02:11   y&z but like I said [TS]

01:02:13   whether i should call myself doctor or [TS]

01:02:15   not which i don't think i will be doing [TS]

01:02:16   well I know I won't be doing even [TS]

01:02:18   whether that's the case on are and how [TS]

01:02:19   much of it is symbolic and how much of [TS]

01:02:21   it is kind of an errand thing is [TS]

01:02:23   debatable and your people have their own [TS]

01:02:25   views but I just consider it like just a [TS]

01:02:27   really nice thing that they did for me [TS]

01:02:30   and it was kind of you know we've had a [TS]

01:02:32   relationship for a long time and it made [TS]

01:02:34   me really happy [TS]

01:02:35   it was kind of like a little celebration [TS]

01:02:37   of lots of years and years of working [TS]

01:02:39   together as well he definitely deserved [TS]

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01:04:10   you've had a few videos out like you do [TS]

01:04:12   i said that i enjoyed your breakfast one [TS]

01:04:15   who write your split-brain one month [TS]

01:04:19   I've watched a few times now i refreshed [TS]

01:04:22   my memory watching out while I was [TS]

01:04:24   walking the dogs earlier and [TS]

01:04:25   not digging that one so much oh yeah [TS]

01:04:28   it's this new path you've gone down a [TS]

01:04:29   few videos that's just not for me [TS]

01:04:31   oh yeah tell me tell me I like a good [TS]

01:04:33   map and I like a good border and i like [TS]

01:04:35   i like some factual stuff but starting [TS]

01:04:38   with your transporter 1 and now with you [TS]

01:04:40   your brain wonder huh [TS]

01:04:41   it's marking a sort of a new path you're [TS]

01:04:43   taking that's not in my wheelhouse but i [TS]

01:04:48   do think it is in your viewers [TS]

01:04:49   wheelhouse not just judging from the [TS]

01:04:52   response but judging from what I know of [TS]

01:04:53   your viewers and i am therefore gonna [TS]

01:04:55   start labeling videos like this either [TS]

01:04:59   great this is where we're going before [TS]

01:05:01   okay yeah i think i think that great or [TS]

01:05:04   maybe even read it bait huh [TS]

01:05:07   because i think the sort of things read [TS]

01:05:08   people likes pretty similar to what the [TS]

01:05:10   gray fanboys and fangirls like you mean [TS]

01:05:12   with the great audience likes yeah but i [TS]

01:05:15   wanted to use the term fan you know [TS]

01:05:17   fanboy because it's such a cool term and [TS]

01:05:19   it's it's more inflammatory of course I [TS]

01:05:21   think that everyone you want to do it [TS]

01:05:23   yeah like helping people ok right go [TS]

01:05:25   ahead there so it just wasn't my bag and [TS]

01:05:28   I was watching it and of course it was [TS]

01:05:31   well written and your research and you [TS]

01:05:33   know it back to front and they're from a [TS]

01:05:34   bit reluctant to talk about it because [TS]

01:05:35   you start citing papers and studies and [TS]

01:05:38   things I know nothing about but it also [TS]

01:05:41   felt like just a bit speculative and [TS]

01:05:43   hand wavy like maybe yeah I've noticed a [TS]

01:05:46   couple videos now you have this little [TS]

01:05:47   gear change in the middle where you say [TS]

01:05:49   speculation time or fantasy time my [TS]

01:05:52   speculation time happen in one video the [TS]

01:05:54   last video [TS]

01:05:55   no but there was something in the middle [TS]

01:05:57   of the right there was a word you said [TS]

01:05:58   in the middle of the brain video to [TS]

01:05:59   where basically it was a euphemism for [TS]

01:06:02   the next part is like not I don't know [TS]

01:06:05   em i cant what the word was now in the [TS]

01:06:07   middle of the video like just before you [TS]

01:06:09   go off on a tangent you basically said [TS]

01:06:11   some little phrase like this next bit is [TS]

01:06:13   just me [TS]

01:06:14   well I think that's fair enough you know [TS]

01:06:17   you think interesting things but i [TS]

01:06:19   prefer when you show me the border [TS]

01:06:21   between America and Canada has an [TS]

01:06:22   airport with a runway in the middle of [TS]

01:06:23   something and something a bit more real [TS]

01:06:25   that's what I always like yeah i think [TS]

01:06:27   yes and if it's just that one guy's [TS]

01:06:29   opinion it happens to be a guy I'm [TS]

01:06:31   friends with and therefore i watch the [TS]

01:06:32   videos because I'm interested in what my [TS]

01:06:33   friend thanks but i just think this you [TS]

01:06:36   are too thing is bollocks [TS]

01:06:39   so what's your beef with it what's your [TS]

01:06:40   beef with it i don't think that human [TS]

01:06:43   beings are two people having a fight [TS]

01:06:46   inside ahead [TS]

01:06:46   who mmm i think that this doesn't ring [TS]

01:06:49   true to me and I I saw like some of the [TS]

01:06:52   examples and studies you've done but i [TS]

01:06:54   think and i know one of the ways you [TS]

01:06:55   learn how things work is to break them [TS]

01:06:57   moon but i think a broken malfunctioning [TS]

01:07:00   brain or brain that's been cut in half [TS]

01:07:01   with a scalpel is that of course it's [TS]

01:07:04   going to start doing weird things [TS]

01:07:05   because it's been broken lou and the [TS]

01:07:08   thing I keep thinking about and you hate [TS]

01:07:09   it because you hate my analogies but I [TS]

01:07:11   only hit them when they're bad breeding [TS]

01:07:12   well you're definitely gonna when I was [TS]

01:07:16   little a friend of mine her mom had a [TS]

01:07:18   car and something broke in the wiring [TS]

01:07:20   and steering wheel and whenever the car [TS]

01:07:22   turned left the car horn would too [TS]

01:07:24   so we would sometimes do laps of the [TS]

01:07:26   block and she would just go left around [TS]

01:07:29   the block time and time again every time [TS]

01:07:30   she turned the wheel the car horn would [TS]

01:07:32   too and all us kids in the back would [TS]

01:07:33   crack up laughing because it was the [TS]

01:07:34   funniest thing we never heard who but [TS]

01:07:36   that doesn't mean every car on the road [TS]

01:07:38   has this silent horn that wants to to [TS]

01:07:40   every time the cartoons left right it's [TS]

01:07:42   running on youtube I car society [TS]

01:07:44   it just means that car was broken and [TS]

01:07:46   the wires are gone around the room and [TS]

01:07:48   it started behaving in a way that car's [TS]

01:07:50   not supposed to behave and just the same [TS]

01:07:52   if you go into a brain and start messing [TS]

01:07:54   around with it you can start getting [TS]

01:07:55   some behaviors that give the appearance [TS]

01:07:57   of maybe something a little bit strange [TS]

01:07:59   and abnormal but that doesn't mean [TS]

01:08:01   that's happening in a normal brain blue [TS]

01:08:02   it's just you know the brain has all [TS]

01:08:04   these different departments and [TS]

01:08:06   different things and everyone has a [TS]

01:08:07   different job to do and they integrate [TS]

01:08:09   in some ways we understand in some ways [TS]

01:08:11   we don't but I think it's great Beatty [TS]

01:08:14   or reddit Beatty to then make the leap [TS]

01:08:17   that there's some tortured soul spending [TS]

01:08:20   90 years screaming for attention or [TS]

01:08:22   shrugging his shoulders inside our heads [TS]

01:08:25   I think that's a nice story and it's the [TS]

01:08:27   sort of thing that will make people say [TS]

01:08:28   mind blown [TS]

01:08:30   but I don't think it's true the split [TS]

01:08:33   brain stuff is one of these things i [TS]

01:08:36   came across i mean like when I was a [TS]

01:08:38   teenager I have this dim memory of like [TS]

01:08:40   a discover magazine or something which [TS]

01:08:42   originally talked about some of these [TS]

01:08:43   studies is this was a really weird and [TS]

01:08:46   interesting topic to read [TS]

01:08:49   I like it when things are are super [TS]

01:08:53   clear I prefer when there's a obvious [TS]

01:08:57   answer to stuff but i really do think [TS]

01:09:00   that there is an interesting part of [TS]

01:09:03   life that revolves around a kind of very [TS]

01:09:08   difficult question to answer which is a [TS]

01:09:10   question about human consciousness like [TS]

01:09:12   what is human consciousness [TS]

01:09:15   why does it exist it's an idea that the [TS]

01:09:18   more you think about and the more you [TS]

01:09:20   try to probe it it can lead you in some [TS]

01:09:25   interesting directions and I'll just [TS]

01:09:28   like directions that I think probably [TS]

01:09:30   most of the listeners probably think of [TS]

01:09:32   me as I can incredibly like logical [TS]

01:09:35   consistent like we can only talk about [TS]

01:09:37   the things that we can observe sort of [TS]

01:09:39   super sciency person and I am mostly [TS]

01:09:41   that way but I am very interested in [TS]

01:09:44   ideas around consciousness because i [TS]

01:09:46   think they start to push you into places [TS]

01:09:50   that are kind of uncomfortable so [TS]

01:09:52   thoughts about like how is it that a [TS]

01:09:55   collection of atoms is able to be aware [TS]

01:09:58   of itself and you can start thinking all [TS]

01:10:00   kinds of things about this like oh well [TS]

01:10:01   maybe consciousness is a side effect of [TS]

01:10:05   information processing and you start [TS]

01:10:07   thinking okay but wait what do you mean [TS]

01:10:08   by the words information processing and [TS]

01:10:11   so I feel like the two videos that I've [TS]

01:10:14   done that have touched on this the [TS]

01:10:15   trouble of transporters and and the you [TS]

01:10:17   are too [TS]

01:10:17   I feel like they're each kind of dancing [TS]

01:10:20   around this idea of what does it mean to [TS]

01:10:24   be an individual in the world and if you [TS]

01:10:27   are correct in your starting first [TS]

01:10:29   principles you are led down roads that [TS]

01:10:32   seemed kind of crazy and the you are 21 [TS]

01:10:36   like looking at a bunch of the old brain [TS]

01:10:38   study stuff and one of my big problems [TS]

01:10:41   with a lot of split brain research is [TS]

01:10:43   it's very old [TS]

01:10:44   so there's a lot of stuff where I feel a [TS]

01:10:45   little bit suspicious about it i think [TS]

01:10:48   there is no topic i have ever done that [TS]

01:10:50   i have also felt more suspicious about [TS]

01:10:52   than this one because i was reading a [TS]

01:10:55   bunch of papers and they are all from [TS]

01:10:57   ages and ages ago about [TS]

01:11:00   but what happens to people with [TS]

01:11:03   split-brain phenomenon and i totally [TS]

01:11:06   agree with you that there is something [TS]

01:11:08   that's occurring here which is that a [TS]

01:11:10   person's brain is just broken right like [TS]

01:11:14   what happens you you literally cracked [TS]

01:11:16   open someone's skull you reached in you [TS]

01:11:18   cut their brain into and once you do [TS]

01:11:20   that you can start to observe all kinds [TS]

01:11:23   of strange behavior but the reason that [TS]

01:11:26   I think it's interesting and the reason [TS]

01:11:28   why i wanted to do that video is because [TS]

01:11:31   unlike I think your analogy with the car [TS]

01:11:34   there's a real question of like what is [TS]

01:11:37   happening inside the broken person's [TS]

01:11:40   brain like ignore for a moment a normal [TS]

01:11:42   brain that that's connected but if we're [TS]

01:11:45   thinking about okay we know we can go in [TS]

01:11:47   you slice a person's brain in half and I [TS]

01:11:51   see no way around [TS]

01:11:54   assuming that all the papers that i'm [TS]

01:11:55   reading through are accurately [TS]

01:11:56   describing the situations i see no way [TS]

01:11:59   around the idea that there is something [TS]

01:12:02   that is separately conscious in the [TS]

01:12:04   other side of your head if you cut [TS]

01:12:07   someone's brain into like I have a very [TS]

01:12:10   hard time trying to do what I think some [TS]

01:12:13   people do when you read the papers and [TS]

01:12:15   you're reading about like water possible [TS]

01:12:16   descriptions that are going on and [TS]

01:12:18   people will come up with explanations [TS]

01:12:20   like oh the other brain is just like [TS]

01:12:23   reacting automatically to information [TS]

01:12:26   that it's getting so it seems like it's [TS]

01:12:28   answering a question but there's nobody [TS]

01:12:30   really at home right it's almost like [TS]

01:12:32   it's a reflex like what's occurring when [TS]

01:12:35   the other brain seems to be acting like [TS]

01:12:36   it's an independent entity but my [TS]

01:12:39   feeling on a lot of that stuff is if you [TS]

01:12:40   think this through [TS]

01:12:41   how is that argument any different than [TS]

01:12:44   the speaking half of the brain talking [TS]

01:12:48   when you say oh we ask this person a [TS]

01:12:50   question and they were able to answer [TS]

01:12:51   yes or no they just feel like there's [TS]

01:12:53   some kind of bias towards the speaking [TS]

01:12:56   part of the brain being the quote like [TS]

01:12:59   real you obviously conscious person I [TS]

01:13:03   don't know I my feeling was just reading [TS]

01:13:05   through a bunch of this stuff up [TS]

01:13:07   I can't come up with any seemingly [TS]

01:13:10   consistent answer for what is occurring [TS]

01:13:12   other than [TS]

01:13:13   and the right side of the brain at the [TS]

01:13:17   very least when you cut it off becomes a [TS]

01:13:20   kind of separate consciousness and [TS]

01:13:22   whether or not what it's like to be the [TS]

01:13:25   right half of your brain is the same as [TS]

01:13:28   what it's like to be the left half of [TS]

01:13:29   your brain like whether those are the [TS]

01:13:30   same as is a totally different question [TS]

01:13:33   that's up in the air [TS]

01:13:34   it feels like to me there's some [TS]

01:13:36   evidence that consciousness can be cut [TS]

01:13:40   into as a result of some of the stuff [TS]

01:13:44   that you see in split-brain patients and [TS]

01:13:47   I think that is really weird and it is [TS]

01:13:49   really interesting and what does that [TS]

01:13:51   mean for a person's brain that is whole [TS]

01:13:53   and that is simply together all the time [TS]

01:13:55   I think there's some really interesting [TS]

01:13:57   questions to be asked about that and the [TS]

01:14:00   one that I hit upon in that video that [TS]

01:14:02   that's a really big question is why is [TS]

01:14:04   it that if you go in and you cut [TS]

01:14:07   someone's brain into that they seemed [TS]

01:14:11   mostly fine afterward [TS]

01:14:14   what seems to be incredibly traumatic [TS]

01:14:16   brain surgery actually doesn't have very [TS]

01:14:19   much of an impact on the person and I [TS]

01:14:23   feel like one of the most consistent [TS]

01:14:25   explanations that i have come across in [TS]

01:14:28   the literature is this explanation that [TS]

01:14:30   you're right hemisphere is already [TS]

01:14:32   separately conscious and that it has [TS]

01:14:34   already been coordinating with the [TS]

01:14:37   hemisphere that you think of as you i [TS]

01:14:40   got i'm not in that video trying to do [TS]

01:14:42   what I think is like here's some wild [TS]

01:14:44   speculation that's cool because I i [TS]

01:14:46   really hate that kind of stuff when i [TS]

01:14:48   feel like i'm trying to walk towards is [TS]

01:14:50   you're totally done i'm even code the [TS]

01:14:52   video you are too [TS]

01:14:53   yeah but that's because my reading of [TS]

01:14:56   the literature and my sitting down and [TS]

01:14:59   thinking about it is I really do think [TS]

01:15:02   that this is the most logical conclusion [TS]

01:15:07   that explains what is observed in the [TS]

01:15:09   papers right I think that's a very [TS]

01:15:11   different thing from saying like I'm [TS]

01:15:13   just going to toss out a crazy idea [TS]

01:15:15   it's the same thing that we had with [TS]

01:15:16   that transporter video of like you seem [TS]

01:15:18   to think that the thing at the end when [TS]

01:15:20   I'm talking about like you die every [TS]

01:15:21   time you go to sleep was like just fun [TS]

01:15:23   speculation and that was that with a [TS]

01:15:26   great camp [TS]

01:15:27   and of all the red-and-white complaint [TS]

01:15:28   but from my perspective like that is [TS]

01:15:30   actually a thing that I take very [TS]

01:15:32   seriously and I think if you start [TS]

01:15:34   thinking too much about what does it [TS]

01:15:36   mean to be a continuous person that this [TS]

01:15:38   is a conclusion that you are pushed [TS]

01:15:39   towards unwillingly and I feel like the [TS]

01:15:41   same thing kind of occurs in the you are [TS]

01:15:43   to video of I'm not just speculating for [TS]

01:15:46   funsies like I'm doing that because i [TS]

01:15:47   think that this is the only conclusion [TS]

01:15:50   that i feel like can be drawn that [TS]

01:15:52   explains why does this traumatic brain [TS]

01:15:54   surgery seem to leave people kind of [TS]

01:15:56   mostly normal [TS]

01:15:57   why is it that the two hemispheres can [TS]

01:15:59   seemingly act independently and be [TS]

01:16:01   totally unaware of each other that's [TS]

01:16:03   what I'm trying to do with that video do [TS]

01:16:06   you think it's like an evolutionary [TS]

01:16:08   reason that brains would have evolved [TS]

01:16:10   that way like are we talking about some [TS]

01:16:11   form of redundancy or like why would [TS]

01:16:14   this have been the way it happened [TS]

01:16:16   let me this is this brings up some [TS]

01:16:17   interesting things that are observed in [TS]

01:16:19   other animals like for example there are [TS]

01:16:21   several species particularly aquatic [TS]

01:16:23   species that can sleep one hemisphere at [TS]

01:16:26   a time which is just super weird even [TS]

01:16:29   think about but there are animals that [TS]

01:16:31   essentially never really fully go to [TS]

01:16:33   sleep and like well like that's very [TS]

01:16:36   interesting like what is it that is [TS]

01:16:38   occurring inside their subjective brains [TS]

01:16:41   when this is happening and of course [TS]

01:16:44   that you can't know you can't really [TS]

01:16:45   know what it is subjectively like to be [TS]

01:16:47   a duck when one half is asleep or the [TS]

01:16:50   other half is asleep and that the brain [TS]

01:16:52   is just a crazy very difficult to [TS]

01:16:54   understand also very plastic and [TS]

01:16:57   flexible organ this whole video fell out [TS]

01:17:01   of what was supposed to be a much bigger [TS]

01:17:03   broader topic which is more about how [TS]

01:17:07   the idea of what you think of yourself [TS]

01:17:09   as as this stream of thoughts that we [TS]

01:17:13   have a lot of evidence that this isn't [TS]

01:17:15   even exactly correct when you put people [TS]

01:17:17   into brain scanners what seems to happen [TS]

01:17:19   is that brain patterns kind of fight [TS]

01:17:22   with each other inside a person's head [TS]

01:17:24   until one of them becomes dominant and [TS]

01:17:26   then that feels like oh this is the [TS]

01:17:27   thought that I had and maybe one of the [TS]

01:17:33   other conclusions is not that you are [TS]

01:17:35   too but maybe the conclusion is like [TS]

01:17:38   your brain is [TS]

01:17:39   is a whole bunch of like separately [TS]

01:17:42   conscious entities that are working with [TS]

01:17:47   or against each other and that the [TS]

01:17:50   experience we have of a consistent [TS]

01:17:53   person going through life that this is a [TS]

01:17:56   little bit of a story that some part of [TS]

01:17:58   the brain tells itself after the fact if [TS]

01:18:02   people think about it this is an [TS]

01:18:04   experience that people actually have [TS]

01:18:06   that experience of feeling like you [TS]

01:18:09   decide to do one thing but you actually [TS]

01:18:11   end up doing something else like what [TS]

01:18:13   like why does that occur if you if you [TS]

01:18:14   really go deep down that rabbit hole [TS]

01:18:16   it's a bit of a strange thing to think [TS]

01:18:18   about how you don't always do the things [TS]

01:18:20   that you want to do what's an example of [TS]

01:18:23   a I mean just totally simple going to [TS]

01:18:25   the gym every day it's a thing that you [TS]

01:18:27   want to do but sometimes you don't do it [TS]

01:18:29   okay i don't agree with that i think [TS]

01:18:30   that's different that's a lot more [TS]

01:18:32   easily explained is not will tell me [TS]

01:18:33   what do you think about that that's just [TS]

01:18:35   competing desires isn't it that's not [TS]

01:18:37   like two thoughts happening [TS]

01:18:38   simultaneously and like I think i'm [TS]

01:18:41   walking out to the gym and suddenly I [TS]

01:18:42   looked anything on my god how did this [TS]

01:18:44   don't get in my hand [TS]

01:18:45   it's not like that it's a lot more like [TS]

01:18:47   I have a desire to have a beautiful body [TS]

01:18:49   and be healthy i have a desire for that [TS]

01:18:51   yummy sugary thing and then in the end [TS]

01:18:55   one desire defeats the other but it's [TS]

01:18:58   not like it's a hidden thing or is a [TS]

01:19:00   probability or they were to scramble [TS]

01:19:01   thoughts in my brain and one popped out [TS]

01:19:04   I think that's a lot simpler to explain [TS]

01:19:06   I know what you're saying there but i [TS]

01:19:08   still think even the notion of having [TS]

01:19:11   conflicting desires in your brain [TS]

01:19:13   I think it's something that it's very [TS]

01:19:14   easy for us to just accept as normal [TS]

01:19:16   because it is our experience of the [TS]

01:19:20   world but is a strange thing the more [TS]

01:19:23   you sit down and actually focus on it [TS]

01:19:26   and think about it like why is it that a [TS]

01:19:28   person has conflicting thoughts in their [TS]

01:19:31   head [TS]

01:19:32   why is it that you decide things one way [TS]

01:19:34   or another I think there are real rabbit [TS]

01:19:37   holes that lead in an interesting [TS]

01:19:39   directions [TS]

01:19:40   this is all sort of like a bit of a side [TS]

01:19:42   tangent but i think the you are too was [TS]

01:19:45   it was originally going to be a smaller [TS]

01:19:46   part of this bigger thing but I think [TS]

01:19:49   the you are to stuff is [TS]

01:19:51   the clearest way to talk about one part [TS]

01:19:54   of this that we can at least under some [TS]

01:19:57   circumstances demonstrate that you can [TS]

01:20:00   unambiguously get a brain to disagree [TS]

01:20:04   with itself in ways that quote the [TS]

01:20:08   person the talking person finds [TS]

01:20:11   confusing and finds difficult to [TS]

01:20:14   understand what's going on I just feel [TS]

01:20:17   that the idea that there's some other [TS]

01:20:18   consciousness in your head answers a lot [TS]

01:20:20   of questions about a lot of the [TS]

01:20:22   weirdness that goes on but just one [TS]

01:20:24   other consciousness you think it's too [TS]

01:20:25   which i can say that the brain is a very [TS]

01:20:27   symmetrical to have things so you think [TS]

01:20:30   there's two there's not like a thousand [TS]

01:20:31   or a million or three you've settled [TS]

01:20:34   onto when you're talking about the split [TS]

01:20:36   brain stuff i think yeah like we can [TS]

01:20:38   talk about there being like two [TS]

01:20:40   different entities in the brain [TS]

01:20:42   what if we found another line somewhere [TS]

01:20:44   we could cleft off and get a third [TS]

01:20:46   interesting phenomenon going on [TS]

01:20:47   could you be three I don't see in [TS]

01:20:49   principle why not [TS]

01:20:51   there's a question of ok either we have [TS]

01:20:52   a single consciousness that you can [TS]

01:20:54   divide into 2 by cutting in the right [TS]

01:20:57   place and if that's the case I don't see [TS]

01:20:59   the reason why if we didn't cleverly cut [TS]

01:21:02   somebody's brain in a different area you [TS]

01:21:04   could siphon off another part that seems [TS]

01:21:07   like it is acting independently [TS]

01:21:09   there's also the possibility of just [TS]

01:21:11   like mines arise as a byproduct of the [TS]

01:21:14   way neurons are structured this is the [TS]

01:21:17   thing I'm not entirely comfortable with [TS]

01:21:19   as well though say I accept that brain [TS]

01:21:22   cut in half has two different [TS]

01:21:23   consciousness isn't right [TS]

01:21:24   okay if I then rewire them the way they [TS]

01:21:27   were before I cut is not acceptable that [TS]

01:21:30   latest merge into one why when the [TS]

01:21:32   wiring is connected between the two do [TS]

01:21:34   they still have to be two different [TS]

01:21:35   consciousness is why can't then they [TS]

01:21:37   just click your fingers become one [TS]

01:21:40   consciousness again why does this second [TS]

01:21:41   one still have to be in prison and [TS]

01:21:44   shrugging his shoulders and unable to [TS]

01:21:45   talk and working sometimes with and [TS]

01:21:48   sometimes against like Shirley then [TS]

01:21:50   maybe when i plug the wise and it just [TS]

01:21:52   becomes one system that is a total [TS]

01:21:54   possibility right we don't know because [TS]

01:21:56   we have no ability to regrow someone's [TS]

01:21:58   corpus callosum inside of their head [TS]

01:22:01   and even if we did and we'll have to get [TS]

01:22:03   back to this because if there's one [TS]

01:22:04   thing where I have like severe doubts [TS]

01:22:06   about the reality of this whole thing [TS]

01:22:07   like let's book note that not forget it [TS]

01:22:09   i want to return to it but let's say you [TS]

01:22:11   were able to regrow someone's brain it [TS]

01:22:15   would be hard to know that how would you [TS]

01:22:16   interrogate the other brain to see if [TS]

01:22:20   it's still there [TS]

01:22:21   mmm i think that would be the [TS]

01:22:22   interesting question of it's sort of [TS]

01:22:24   unknowable maybe it's hard to imagine [TS]

01:22:26   the scenario in which you could know for [TS]

01:22:29   sure did these two consciousnesses [TS]

01:22:31   combined or is one now just hidden from [TS]

01:22:35   view in a way but I feel like okay if [TS]

01:22:39   you can cut consciousness into with a [TS]

01:22:41   knife [TS]

01:22:42   I don't see why in principle it would be [TS]

01:22:43   impossible to bind two consciousnesses [TS]

01:22:47   together with a needle and thread right [TS]

01:22:49   but putting it back and fixing it [TS]

01:22:51   I'm not opposed to that that very idea i [TS]

01:22:54   guess i see that there are two options [TS]

01:22:55   here that the cutting creates a separate [TS]

01:22:58   intelligence or that the separate [TS]

01:23:01   intelligence exists all along and I feel [TS]

01:23:04   like the second theory is the more [TS]

01:23:08   explanatory theory that explains why [TS]

01:23:13   this brain surgery seems to not affect [TS]

01:23:15   patients very much [TS]

01:23:16   afterward why they don't need to relearn [TS]

01:23:19   the basics of interacting with the world [TS]

01:23:22   even though they're there two halves are [TS]

01:23:25   not able to communicate in the same way [TS]

01:23:27   that they were able to before for [TS]

01:23:29   someone who doesn't believe in free will [TS]

01:23:31   and believes the universe is just a [TS]

01:23:33   series of you know to simplify dominoes [TS]

01:23:36   falling over in sequence and we're just [TS]

01:23:38   following as we have to follow [TS]

01:23:39   why you so preoccupied with [TS]

01:23:40   consciousness at all i don't see how [TS]

01:23:43   those two things are not related [TS]

01:23:45   if consciousness is an ability to [TS]

01:23:47   perceive the world around us [TS]

01:23:49   well because we live in this no free [TS]

01:23:52   well well but we have no control over [TS]

01:23:53   anything we don't have any control over [TS]

01:23:55   the way we perceive anyway like that's [TS]

01:23:57   inevitable to so the things you're [TS]

01:24:01   looking at and thinking and the way [TS]

01:24:02   you're perceiving the world the way [TS]

01:24:03   you're conscious of the world is not [TS]

01:24:06   yours either i agree but i'm surprised [TS]

01:24:09   you can't just talk them out of [TS]

01:24:10   existence as well and not even bother [TS]

01:24:13   with this stuff there [TS]

01:24:14   thing that is fascinating about it is [TS]

01:24:15   that there is no talking consciousness [TS]

01:24:17   out of existence [TS]

01:24:19   like if if I know anything I know that I [TS]

01:24:22   have some experience of the world that [TS]

01:24:25   this is a subjective experience that I [TS]

01:24:28   have that to me is a very different [TS]

01:24:30   question then do I control my subjective [TS]

01:24:35   experience and i agree with you since I [TS]

01:24:37   don't think that there is free will [TS]

01:24:39   I don't think that I control my [TS]

01:24:41   subjective experience of the world like [TS]

01:24:44   for example i'm sitting in my office [TS]

01:24:45   right now and it's way too hot the [TS]

01:24:48   hotness is a subjective experience that [TS]

01:24:50   is created in my brain I have no ability [TS]

01:24:52   to control it and as we just before I [TS]

01:24:55   have no ability to select my thoughts or [TS]

01:24:59   even really know ability to choose what [TS]

01:25:03   I'm saying in this very conversation [TS]

01:25:04   I've always said like if you focus on [TS]

01:25:07   things you can realize that you don't [TS]

01:25:09   even know how you talk right words just [TS]

01:25:12   come out but you're not selecting them [TS]

01:25:14   you're not really choosing them i don't [TS]

01:25:16   even really know how i'm getting to the [TS]

01:25:18   end of this sentence right now it's a [TS]

01:25:20   thing that if you look at it with your [TS]

01:25:22   attention you notice that it just [TS]

01:25:24   happens but i am thinking of options [TS]

01:25:27   like while you talk i'm thinking of will [TS]

01:25:29   I say this next and then I'm i am [TS]

01:25:31   running a filtering process i'm saying i [TS]

01:25:33   won't say that because it'll make me [TS]

01:25:34   look like a dig right maybe I'll say [TS]

01:25:36   that because we fight on actually no [TS]

01:25:37   that's not funny don't say that say this [TS]

01:25:39   instead or say this change that word to [TS]

01:25:41   that like I am [TS]

01:25:42   it's not like I'm just like whoa man [TS]

01:25:44   what just happened but I haven't made a [TS]

01:25:47   series of decisions sometimes they're [TS]

01:25:48   long considered decisions because you're [TS]

01:25:50   waffling and I have time to think about [TS]

01:25:52   exactly and and other times i'm making [TS]

01:25:54   those decisions at the speed of light [TS]

01:25:55   like on-the-fly like I am now but i do [TS]

01:25:58   think decisions are being made [TS]

01:26:00   yes but you're you are choosing from the [TS]

01:26:02   options that occur to you [TS]

01:26:04   yes I think that you just push the [TS]

01:26:05   problem up one level when I according to [TS]

01:26:07   you I'm not even doing that according to [TS]

01:26:09   you [TS]

01:26:09   options are passing by and then I'm [TS]

01:26:11   choosing the 1i had no choice but to [TS]

01:26:14   choose but yeah I get me saying I'm [TS]

01:26:15   trying to go on your level here like [TS]

01:26:17   let's pretend for a second that values [TS]

01:26:19   right what the the doctorate level video [TS]

01:26:21   exactly it [TS]

01:26:22   well always with this stuff I think you [TS]

01:26:25   end up getting rap using black the [TS]

01:26:27   conversation that occurs right yeah [TS]

01:26:29   we're getting wrapped around the axle of [TS]

01:26:30   the very word choose right and I think [TS]

01:26:33   choose and decisions are always the [TS]

01:26:34   words that you get everything messed up [TS]

01:26:36   on but even let's say like granting the [TS]

01:26:39   idea that you are choosing from the [TS]

01:26:41   things that you thinking in your head [TS]

01:26:42   and everybody has this experience right [TS]

01:26:44   I i have the same experience to like [TS]

01:26:46   trying to think of things to ask someone [TS]

01:26:49   but you are still quote choosing among [TS]

01:26:52   the alternatives that appear in your [TS]

01:26:54   head but you have no choice about the [TS]

01:26:56   alternatives that appear in your head [TS]

01:26:58   and I feel like this is what always [TS]

01:26:59   happens when we have a discussion about [TS]

01:27:01   like talking with other humans and you [TS]

01:27:03   tell me Brady always like oh just it's [TS]

01:27:05   easy to talk to other humans you just [TS]

01:27:07   say what pops into your head [TS]

01:27:09   I don't feel like but things don't pop [TS]

01:27:10   into my head right now I'm just sitting [TS]

01:27:11   here with a totally empty ad and I don't [TS]

01:27:14   know how to make things pop into my head [TS]

01:27:15   in the course of human conversation that [TS]

01:27:18   just because I haven't got all the [TS]

01:27:20   options great doesn't mean free will [TS]

01:27:21   doesn't exist I mean I lean towards [TS]

01:27:23   freewill existing of course the only but [TS]

01:27:25   anyway whatever maybe it doesn't maybe [TS]

01:27:27   maybe does but even in my world of [TS]

01:27:29   believing it exists [TS]

01:27:31   I can't jump to the moon right now if i [TS]

01:27:33   say all the moon looks nice i'm going to [TS]

01:27:35   jump up there [TS]

01:27:35   I can't do that it's not in my palette [TS]

01:27:37   of options right and likewise when i'm [TS]

01:27:39   thinking of something to say in a social [TS]

01:27:41   situation and I'm choosing between the [TS]

01:27:43   8th options that come into my head [TS]

01:27:45   that's just my palette of you know the [TS]

01:27:47   realities of the world just because the [TS]

01:27:49   palate is limited doesn't mean free will [TS]

01:27:51   doesn't exist so just because I'm having [TS]

01:27:52   three or four thoughts and I'm deciding [TS]

01:27:54   which one to say from this limited [TS]

01:27:56   palette that was presented to me that [TS]

01:27:58   doesn't explain away free will [TS]

01:28:00   yeah I mean I understand what you're [TS]

01:28:02   saying here and this is where we reach [TS]

01:28:05   the crux of our disagreement because I'm [TS]

01:28:08   like I agree [TS]

01:28:09   people do not have an infinite number of [TS]

01:28:11   choices an infinite number of choices [TS]

01:28:13   would not prove that there was free will [TS]

01:28:15   either I just think that the thing that [TS]

01:28:18   I imagine is happening is happening on [TS]

01:28:20   both levels you are not selecting from [TS]

01:28:22   the options that appear in your brain [TS]

01:28:25   you are not choosing among them either [TS]

01:28:27   write that the things just occur and you [TS]

01:28:31   have a subjective feeling of choice but [TS]

01:28:34   there is no other thing that would have [TS]

01:28:36   occurred worried too will rewind the [TS]

01:28:38   universe that exact position but where [TS]

01:28:41   this connects with consciousness and why [TS]

01:28:43   I find it so interesting is [TS]

01:28:45   consciousness feels like this thing that [TS]

01:28:47   shouldn't exist and i don't use this [TS]

01:28:50   word lightly but I i feel like this is [TS]

01:28:52   perhaps the closest thing to a miracle [TS]

01:28:55   that exists that there is anything to [TS]

01:28:59   experience the universe at all [TS]

01:29:01   I feel like there's almost no [TS]

01:29:03   explanation that can ever possibly occur [TS]

01:29:05   that answers this question again i am a [TS]

01:29:09   very sciency kind of guy but I can [TS]

01:29:12   imagine a universe where we fast-forward [TS]

01:29:16   the clock on scientific progress ten [TS]

01:29:18   thousand millennia and are still no [TS]

01:29:22   closer to an answer about what is [TS]

01:29:24   consciousness why does it arise then we [TS]

01:29:27   are today than we were a thousand years [TS]

01:29:29   ago we may be very good at describing [TS]

01:29:33   exactly how the brain works in every [TS]

01:29:35   possible way but that's a different [TS]

01:29:37   question from how does this bundle of [TS]

01:29:39   nerves know that it's there [TS]

01:29:42   how does it have an experience of the [TS]

01:29:43   world does your thinking in that way [TS]

01:29:46   there's your kind of bewilderment at [TS]

01:29:49   consciousness and confusion about [TS]

01:29:52   consciousness ever make you think maybe [TS]

01:29:56   there's something else going on and does [TS]

01:29:58   that ever weekend your thoughts about [TS]

01:29:59   free will do you ever think of [TS]

01:30:01   consciousness can exist and that is [TS]

01:30:03   completely ridiculous and bewildering [TS]

01:30:05   maybe there is something going on at [TS]

01:30:07   some other level and therefore free will [TS]

01:30:09   is also an option or is your free will [TS]

01:30:11   position ironclad and consciousness is [TS]

01:30:14   just bewildering to what i would say is [TS]

01:30:15   i am open to the possibility of freewill [TS]

01:30:18   existing I am harder pressed on that one [TS]

01:30:23   because I feel like any explanation that [TS]

01:30:25   that may possibly occur is always just [TS]

01:30:29   kicking the problem [TS]

01:30:30   up one level 1 like we were saying [TS]

01:30:32   before about choosing where but you're [TS]

01:30:34   choosing from options right but how do [TS]

01:30:35   those options get there those options [TS]

01:30:37   got there because those are the things [TS]

01:30:38   that we're going to pop up in your mind [TS]

01:30:39   you know it is the idea that that even [TS]

01:30:42   if there was some kind of magic part of [TS]

01:30:45   humans [TS]

01:30:46   I can still see a way in which free will [TS]

01:30:48   doesn't exist even if [TS]

01:30:49   accept the idea that there's magic in [TS]

01:30:51   the universe and and consciousness gets [TS]

01:30:53   to it as close as I'm gonna get to be [TS]

01:30:55   like maybe there's magic in the universe [TS]

01:30:57   or the other thing which I sometimes [TS]

01:30:59   have conversations with very sciency [TS]

01:31:01   people who really really really don't [TS]

01:31:02   like this line of thinking but it seems [TS]

01:31:05   quite reasonable to me is well why do we [TS]

01:31:08   have to assume that every single part of [TS]

01:31:11   the universe is perfectly logical and [TS]

01:31:13   understandable like maybe built into the [TS]

01:31:17   clockwork of the universe are parts that [TS]

01:31:18   are not logical [TS]

01:31:20   like we don't know how the universe [TS]

01:31:22   works we don't know how everything [TS]

01:31:24   happens and maybe consciousness is one [TS]

01:31:27   of these things like this is just how [TS]

01:31:28   the universe is consciousness exists and [TS]

01:31:32   there's no ability to explain it in the [TS]

01:31:34   same way that ultimately there's no [TS]

01:31:36   ability to explain why an electron has [TS]

01:31:38   the charge that it does it just does [TS]

01:31:41   and at a certain point you you lose the [TS]

01:31:44   ability to explain things any further [TS]

01:31:45   but you won't give that [TS]

01:31:47   get-out-of-jail-free card to free will [TS]

01:31:50   I don't because I feel like it's a [TS]

01:31:52   different kind of question [TS]

01:31:55   mmm i'm open to this I'm not I'm not [TS]

01:31:57   shutting that down but I I just haven't [TS]

01:32:01   yet found a line of inquiry which I find [TS]

01:32:04   convincing [TS]

01:32:06   well great if nothing else you've given [TS]

01:32:08   some great father to all those people [TS]

01:32:09   that bad philosophy or bad talking or [TS]

01:32:11   whatever going to do you really think [TS]

01:32:14   they don't know the answers to the [TS]

01:32:15   universe the little people may think [TS]

01:32:16   that yeah those are absolutely always [TS]

01:32:18   the best and i feel like in these [TS]

01:32:20   podcasts where I'm like I'm very happy [TS]

01:32:22   to acknowledge my total uncertainty and [TS]

01:32:24   lack of knowledge in those conversations [TS]

01:32:27   that always comes across as oh this guy [TS]

01:32:29   tells everybody he knows everything ok i [TS]

01:32:32   guess you don't actually listen to the [TS]

01:32:34   podcast just because you sound too damn [TS]

01:32:36   authority of grey it's just your curse [TS]

01:32:37   that is perhaps what I think is the [TS]

01:32:39   funniest complained that I get from [TS]

01:32:41   people will say like oh he shouldn't [TS]

01:32:44   speculate because the sound of his voice [TS]

01:32:46   is too authoritative like okay I'm sorry [TS]

01:32:51   i didn't realize i am forbidden from [TS]

01:32:53   expressing my thoughts because they [TS]

01:32:55   sound to legitimate when I say that like [TS]

01:32:58   it [TS]

01:32:59   okay did we cover the item you wanted [TS]

01:33:01   bookmark which is something you are [TS]

01:33:03   unsure about ok yes i do want to [TS]

01:33:05   bookmark one thing here for with the [TS]

01:33:06   split brain study if I didn't think it [TS]

01:33:08   wasn't the case i wouldn't have made the [TS]

01:33:10   video but there was one thing that kept [TS]

01:33:13   nibbling at my mind and I would not be [TS]

01:33:15   surprised if in like 30 years as happens [TS]

01:33:18   in science sometimes there comes a study [TS]

01:33:21   where people say oh we know for a fact [TS]

01:33:22   that the split-brain phenomena is is [TS]

01:33:24   garbage right this isn't this isn't true [TS]

01:33:26   and one of the things that just kept [TS]

01:33:29   making me suspicious is in all of these [TS]

01:33:32   studies there are limited ways to [TS]

01:33:35   communicate with the silent hemisphere [TS]

01:33:38   with with the brain that can talk and [TS]

01:33:41   it's clear from reading some of the [TS]

01:33:43   studies that the silent hemisphere it [TS]

01:33:45   can read right it can it can understand [TS]

01:33:48   written language right it can point to [TS]

01:33:50   answers it can do all of this kind of [TS]

01:33:52   stuff and in reading a bunch of these [TS]

01:33:55   studies spanning over decades it felt [TS]

01:33:58   like none of these studies ever got past [TS]

01:34:00   the party trick phase right the kind of [TS]

01:34:03   stuff that I talk about in the video [TS]

01:34:05   like yes you can have it select a [TS]

01:34:06   different block right you can have it [TS]

01:34:08   disagree with the main hemisphere but I [TS]

01:34:10   kept feeling like if there are [TS]

01:34:11   scientists who are working on this for [TS]

01:34:14   decades and there are some people who [TS]

01:34:15   made their whole careers out of studying [TS]

01:34:17   split-brain phenomena on em it always [TS]

01:34:20   felt to me like why doesn't this ever go [TS]

01:34:21   further [TS]

01:34:22   the obvious question to me would be like [TS]

01:34:23   okay let's try to communicate with the [TS]

01:34:27   silent hemisphere more than just asking [TS]

01:34:30   yes no questions [TS]

01:34:32   let's try to get it to write answers [TS]

01:34:34   like we have time we have decades of [TS]

01:34:37   time let's try to ask the right [TS]

01:34:39   hemisphere [TS]

01:34:40   what does it think is going on because [TS]

01:34:43   the left hemisphere this is that this is [TS]

01:34:46   a thing again everybody's brain does [TS]

01:34:48   it's a thing that you can notice in [TS]

01:34:49   yourself sometimes the left brain has [TS]

01:34:51   this confabulation effect where it wants [TS]

01:34:53   to weave together a coherent story about [TS]

01:34:56   events that have occurred in its past [TS]

01:34:57   and you can pull hilarious tricks on [TS]

01:34:59   normal people just with this kind of [TS]

01:35:00   stuff like it's just something that [TS]

01:35:01   those brains do so you're kind of not [TS]

01:35:03   going to get a useful answer out of the [TS]

01:35:05   regular talking hemisphere but does the [TS]

01:35:07   right hemisphere do that too [TS]

01:35:09   we don't know because I could never find [TS]

01:35:11   any papers that went into this in any [TS]

01:35:13   yep everything was always a party trick [TS]

01:35:15   in a way of getting some disagreement [TS]

01:35:18   but never going too far and i was a [TS]

01:35:21   little bit suspicious about that and and [TS]

01:35:23   what it made me think of was Hans the [TS]

01:35:26   horse haha the horse was this this horse [TS]

01:35:29   know whatever wasn't like the early [TS]

01:35:31   nineteen hundreds that could supposedly [TS]

01:35:32   do math like you could ask the horse [TS]

01:35:34   math questions and i would click its [TS]

01:35:36   hopes the number of times for the answer [TS]

01:35:38   right it would stop it was for the [TS]

01:35:39   number that i wanted [TS]

01:35:41   yeah it would always get the math right [TS]

01:35:42   and there were two things that were [TS]

01:35:45   occurring here one of which was that the [TS]

01:35:48   trainer was unintentionally unknowing to [TS]

01:35:52   the trainer giving little signals to the [TS]

01:35:55   horse of when to stop [TS]

01:35:56   like when tells yeah a little-little [TS]

01:35:58   tells and there are a couple of examples [TS]

01:36:00   of taking on the horse away from the [TS]

01:36:02   actual trainer and answering math [TS]

01:36:04   questions it was still able to get it [TS]

01:36:05   right but the thesis is that essentially [TS]

01:36:07   the horse was reading the audience right [TS]

01:36:10   that people are getting more and more [TS]

01:36:11   tense as the horse gets closer to the [TS]

01:36:13   correct answer and then kind of relieved [TS]

01:36:15   when the horse doesn't and I don't know [TS]

01:36:18   some of the split brain stuff like it [TS]

01:36:20   just put a little doubt in my head of is [TS]

01:36:23   maybe what's occurring people have a [TS]

01:36:27   broken brain but the investigator it is [TS]

01:36:32   kind of leading them down this path so [TS]

01:36:36   that these phenomena are the same all [TS]

01:36:38   the time and the only reason I worry [TS]

01:36:41   about that is just partly because all of [TS]

01:36:43   these papers are so old [TS]

01:36:44   because this is not a surgery that's [TS]

01:36:46   done anymore because there aren't very [TS]

01:36:47   many of these people around and it's [TS]

01:36:50   just like I just don't know there's like [TS]

01:36:52   a trainee nickel in the back of my mind [TS]

01:36:54   that that maybe this is one of those [TS]

01:36:57   those cases like cases with false [TS]

01:37:00   memories where the investigator is [TS]

01:37:04   putting something into the mind of other [TS]

01:37:08   people and so I just like a tiny doubt [TS]

01:37:11   about this [TS]

01:37:12   I don't know ok ok that's so that's the [TS]

01:37:16   first little chink in the armor that's [TS]

01:37:17   all and 8 i'm gonna bring your Jenga [TS]

01:37:19   tower down over the years but but again [TS]

01:37:22   my view of it reading through all this [TS]

01:37:23   stuff was that was not the king [TS]

01:37:26   like if I really thought that was the [TS]

01:37:27   case i would have made this video in an [TS]

01:37:29   entirely different way or not have made [TS]

01:37:31   yeah but anything that i was just aware [TS]

01:37:33   of like all this stuff is really old all [TS]

01:37:37   of these different papers over different [TS]

01:37:38   years are showing this this exact same [TS]

01:37:40   kind of stuff and I just see no progress [TS]

01:37:44   ever loved somebody trying to [TS]

01:37:46   investigate the silent hemisphere i will [TS]

01:37:52   just mention briefly the creepiest thing [TS]

01:37:53   which I i left out of the video but [TS]

01:37:55   there's one paper which is called [TS]

01:37:57   conflicting communicative behavior in [TS]

01:38:00   split-brain patient support for dual [TS]

01:38:02   consciousness by Victor mark is an old [TS]

01:38:04   paper with one of these patients but the [TS]

01:38:06   freakish thing here is that this guy [TS]

01:38:09   found a patient that had speech centers [TS]

01:38:12   in both brains which is actually [TS]

01:38:14   something that occasionally occurs in [TS]

01:38:16   the population like not everybody has [TS]

01:38:18   the speed sensor localized to one [TS]

01:38:19   hemisphere some people do have it in [TS]

01:38:21   both and so this guy happen to find [TS]

01:38:24   someone who was both a split brain [TS]

01:38:26   patient and had speech hemispheres in [TS]

01:38:29   both brains that's the fairytale it's [TS]

01:38:32   remarkable but it's super creepy because [TS]

01:38:34   he was able to get this patient to [TS]

01:38:37   verbally disagree with herself so he [TS]

01:38:41   would ask her questions about what's in [TS]

01:38:42   your hand or you know can you feel [TS]

01:38:44   something in your hand and she would [TS]

01:38:45   essentially argue like yes no yes no and [TS]

01:38:49   then would yell at herself that [TS]

01:38:50   something is right and something is not [TS]

01:38:52   right and the thing that I thought was [TS]

01:38:54   it was just kind of like sad and creepy [TS]

01:38:56   was he describes how she would get like [TS]

01:38:58   really upset during these experiments [TS]

01:39:00   and up at one point would say to the [TS]

01:39:01   experimenter why do I lie to you like [TS]

01:39:05   she's not able to explain her own [TS]

01:39:07   scenario and something i'm reading [TS]

01:39:09   through this paper i'm like this seems [TS]

01:39:11   like oh this but i must have found the [TS]

01:39:12   gold mine here right this is finally [TS]

01:39:14   going to be the case where somebody is [TS]

01:39:17   asking the other hemisphere like what [TS]

01:39:20   does it think is going on but even with [TS]

01:39:22   this was like wow of course know this [TS]

01:39:24   patient happened to be mentally [TS]

01:39:26   subnormal so like apparently he wasn't [TS]

01:39:28   able to investigate or talk to the other [TS]

01:39:31   hemisphere very well it's like [TS]

01:39:34   I don't know it was just like everything [TS]

01:39:36   worked out this way I don't know it's it [TS]

01:39:38   was strange [TS]

01:39:39   it's a weird weird project to research I [TS]

01:39:41   mean I felt there like we're veering [TS]

01:39:43   towards the issue of people who don't [TS]

01:39:45   have split brains but have multiple [TS]

01:39:47   personality disorders yet I mean do you [TS]

01:39:49   think that's a whole separate thing or [TS]

01:39:51   is this evidence of people having [TS]

01:39:52   multiple consciousnesses or did you even [TS]

01:39:54   go there [TS]

01:39:55   this is one of these rabbit holes that I [TS]

01:39:57   felt like I couldn't go fully down but [TS]

01:39:59   obviously there is a lot of overlap here [TS]

01:40:01   for a question of what is a multiple [TS]

01:40:04   personality disorder or think that I [TS]

01:40:06   think the modern term for it is like [TS]

01:40:07   dissociative identity disorder it [TS]

01:40:10   definitely like points in that direction [TS]

01:40:12   as a place to go like maybe this is part [TS]

01:40:16   of the explanation for what is occurring [TS]

01:40:18   in those kinds of disorders you have [TS]

01:40:20   other hemispheres are other parts of the [TS]

01:40:24   brain that are way more active than they [TS]

01:40:26   would otherwise be who knows who knows [TS]

01:40:28   it's all very strange and i think this [TS]

01:40:33   stuff is super interesting because [TS]

01:40:35   consciousness is intrinsic to [TS]

01:40:38   everybody's life [TS]

01:40:40   well most people's lives probably but [TS]

01:40:42   his maybe never explainable and I think [TS]

01:40:45   that this split brain stuff is is the [TS]

01:40:48   most concrete stuff that I could kind of [TS]

01:40:50   point2 to talk about to say like maybe [TS]

01:40:54   our experience of consciousness is [TS]

01:40:57   different than what we think it is I [TS]

01:41:00   think it's totally explainable cgpgrey [TS]

01:41:03   is called it the miracle of the universe [TS]