Hello Internet

H.I. #66: A Classic Episode


00:00:00   so great looking through our projected [TS]

00:00:03   notes here I think potentially we have a [TS]

00:00:05   classic hello Internet episode all the [TS]

00:00:08   major food groups are represented here [TS]

00:00:11   oh boy oh boy reading between the lines [TS]

00:00:14   that means it's an episode you're gonna [TS]

00:00:15   dread when I think of what Brady [TS]

00:00:18   imagines to be a classic episode of [TS]

00:00:20   Hello internet all i can think of is [TS]

00:00:22   many many Brady segments that pretty [TS]

00:00:26   much sums it up after my success last [TS]

00:00:32   week for the second episode in a row i'm [TS]

00:00:35   gonna try to open up without listening [TS]

00:00:37   message listener interaction because you [TS]

00:00:39   know i love them and I know you hate [TS]

00:00:41   them [TS]

00:00:41   I know but no I'm not gonna let you get [TS]

00:00:43   away with that I don't hate them [TS]

00:00:45   I only include them if they're [TS]

00:00:47   interesting are asked the difference [TS]

00:00:48   I to enjoy the interesting ones that's [TS]

00:00:51   why I leave them in [TS]

00:00:52   ok let's see how this one fares i went [TS]

00:00:56   to what I sometimes referred to as the [TS]

00:00:59   hello Internet postbox the other day [TS]

00:01:01   okay [TS]

00:01:02   essentially this is my post box if [TS]

00:01:03   there's something you want to send a [TS]

00:01:04   gray do not send it to this box because [TS]

00:01:07   i will be in it i would not give it to [TS]

00:01:09   gray because i cannot set that precedent [TS]

00:01:12   you mean your peel box that's what [TS]

00:01:13   you're talking about the one we used for [TS]

00:01:15   the election that's the hello Internet [TS]

00:01:16   post yes exactly [TS]

00:01:17   ok so i went along I went along for a [TS]

00:01:20   check hoping there might be a few new [TS]

00:01:21   postcards there was a package know there [TS]

00:01:25   are several packages actually oh my that [TS]

00:01:27   sounds like something i would hand over [TS]

00:01:29   to the police [TS]

00:01:30   well yes anyway I open this package it [TS]

00:01:35   is a book now for background people [TS]

00:01:39   might remember my thoughts on the book [TS]

00:01:42   getting things done by david allen this [TS]

00:01:45   is a book that gray I think holding [TS]

00:01:47   quite high regard and i did not enjoy [TS]

00:01:50   this book so much the extent where i got [TS]

00:01:52   a refund on my audio book because I [TS]

00:01:54   didn't want it and my hardcopy we [TS]

00:01:57   auctioned for charity I wanted this book [TS]

00:01:59   out of my life this book was not for me [TS]

00:02:00   i will i will put the the show where we [TS]

00:02:02   discussed it one of my favorites in the [TS]

00:02:05   show notes again I think you [TS]

00:02:06   misrepresent me here i'm not exactly [TS]

00:02:08   sure that it was unambiguous hold in [TS]

00:02:10   high regard on my part but I will [TS]

00:02:12   let the listeners decided that was a [TS]

00:02:13   fair characterization ok anyway like a [TS]

00:02:17   bad penny [TS]

00:02:18   someone has sent me a copy of this book [TS]

00:02:20   it's got another copy [TS]

00:02:22   I'm thinking now what's all this about [TS]

00:02:25   so I open it up and on the inside cover [TS]

00:02:29   the front inside cover whoever has said [TS]

00:02:31   this has inscribed a small flag flag so [TS]

00:02:37   immediately allowing bells start ringing [TS]

00:02:39   this is obviously a mischief-maker rebel [TS]

00:02:41   scum rides they're up to no good [TS]

00:02:43   obviously uh-huh and then on the next [TS]

00:02:47   page insert it between the pages is a [TS]

00:02:49   beer coaster like a beer mat with a web [TS]

00:02:53   address on it uh-huh [TS]

00:02:54   and I'm thinking our knife what's going [TS]

00:02:56   on here this is dodgy and it's an in [TS]

00:02:58   girl in general however i'm supposed to [TS]

00:03:00   pronounce that address so they want me [TS]

00:03:01   to look at some photo huh [TS]

00:03:04   but then before I look at the photo i [TS]

00:03:06   turn the next page i love that you keep [TS]

00:03:08   going into this yeah who knows what's [TS]

00:03:10   coming but Brady is going to find out [TS]

00:03:12   right [TS]

00:03:12   ok it's an adventure now on the next [TS]

00:03:16   page which is kind of like the title [TS]

00:03:17   page is an inscription ok what does that [TS]

00:03:22   say it says to Brady Haran give it [TS]

00:03:27   another go [TS]

00:03:28   i'm gonna guess is that like David [TS]

00:03:31   Allen's signature on the buyer is david [TS]

00:03:33   allen signature because if you go to the [TS]

00:03:35   in girly which i'm sending you now we [TS]

00:03:39   have someone who I don't know who this [TS]

00:03:41   is [TS]

00:03:42   they're obviously a mysterious Tim and [TS]

00:03:44   holding a copy of the book standing with [TS]

00:03:47   David Allen had a book signing [TS]

00:03:49   so he is obviously taken his book up to [TS]

00:03:52   David Allen and asked him to sign it to [TS]

00:03:54   me asking me to give it another go [TS]

00:03:57   that is fantastic a few things come into [TS]

00:04:02   my mind when I say this the first is I [TS]

00:04:05   have to say David Allen has gone up a [TS]

00:04:07   few pegs in my standing O has e yeah but [TS]

00:04:10   secondly how did the interaction work [TS]

00:04:13   what did he say to dave allen when he [TS]

00:04:15   was asked him to sign the book and say [TS]

00:04:16   can you please say you know to Brady [TS]

00:04:19   give it another go [TS]

00:04:20   he must have had to explain our this [TS]

00:04:22   podcast and there's this guy and you [TS]

00:04:24   really slept off your book and [TS]

00:04:26   said it was really boring and he like [TS]

00:04:28   got rid of these copies and so you [TS]

00:04:30   should listen to the episode it's really [TS]

00:04:32   entertaining as put it in the show notes [TS]

00:04:35   how do you think that unfolded that [TS]

00:04:40   interaction i'm gonna get here is the [TS]

00:04:42   thing the way you imagine stuff radius [TS]

00:04:44   that someone goes into all of the [TS]

00:04:45   details but i would suspect that this [TS]

00:04:49   this magnificent him has pulled this off [TS]

00:04:52   it would simply just say oh I have a [TS]

00:04:55   friend who tried the book and didn't [TS]

00:04:57   like it could you give them a suggestion [TS]

00:04:59   to give it another try [TS]

00:05:00   I think that's the fastest way in a book [TS]

00:05:03   signing line to get the basic just a bit [TS]

00:05:05   across I don't know great maybe I'm [TS]

00:05:07   reading too much into the picture but if [TS]

00:05:09   you zoom in on David Allen's face in [TS]

00:05:12   that picture i sent you [TS]

00:05:13   he doesn't look happy he does look a [TS]

00:05:15   little bit like he's been cornered into [TS]

00:05:17   doing something he didn't want to do or [TS]

00:05:18   am I just reading too much into that was [TS]

00:05:20   on the cover [TS]

00:05:21   he looks all smarmy and tanned and happy [TS]

00:05:23   and california and in this picture he [TS]

00:05:26   looks a bit like just get me out of him [TS]

00:05:28   and get me out of this photo looking at [TS]

00:05:30   the picture i can see why you think that [TS]

00:05:32   it also looks like maybe he is [TS]

00:05:34   suppressing a bit of a smile like maybe [TS]

00:05:36   he thinks this is some kind of funny [TS]

00:05:37   situation [TS]

00:05:38   his expression is hard to read but [TS]

00:05:40   you're right maybe he just got cornered [TS]

00:05:42   he wants to get out of there and it's [TS]

00:05:44   someone has just told him and overly [TS]

00:05:47   long overly detailed story in order to [TS]

00:05:49   get them to sign his book ID like the [TS]

00:05:52   term magnificent Tim I can't help but [TS]

00:05:55   wonder it must be a weird experience to [TS]

00:05:58   do a book signing of the book where your [TS]

00:06:01   own faces on the cover where everyone is [TS]

00:06:03   constantly handing you a book with a [TS]

00:06:05   picture of you smiling at you to then [TS]

00:06:07   sign if I was an author I wouldn't want [TS]

00:06:09   my face on the cover of the book i would [TS]

00:06:11   find that a weird situation signing [TS]

00:06:13   books with my own face on it I think if [TS]

00:06:15   you've signed off on having your face on [TS]

00:06:16   the cover you're the sort of person who [TS]

00:06:18   would probably quite enjoy signing a [TS]

00:06:19   book with your face on the cover [TS]

00:06:21   you might have a point that i might not [TS]

00:06:22   be thinking this through all the way [TS]

00:06:23   this is an excellence excellence [TS]

00:06:25   listener interaction i don't see any way [TS]

00:06:28   that I can possibly cut this from the [TS]

00:06:30   show which makes you two for two in your [TS]

00:06:33   gambling of openings are very well done [TS]

00:06:35   brady and thankee magnificent team [TS]

00:06:37   whoever you are if you if you do [TS]

00:06:39   here this tell us about this interaction [TS]

00:06:41   with david allen we want to hear every [TS]

00:06:43   detail every nuance every every tick [TS]

00:06:46   every every little bit of body language [TS]

00:06:49   on a full briefing [TS]

00:06:51   yes he wants to hear that all that full [TS]

00:06:53   briefing it might not make it to the [TS]

00:06:55   next show you owe me one hundred dollars [TS]

00:07:00   breathing well after I made that play [TS]

00:07:03   with you and for those who forgotten [TS]

00:07:05   great went to VidCon and I made a bet [TS]

00:07:07   that he would get dragged up to do like [TS]

00:07:09   a panel or talk or something like that [TS]

00:07:12   mhm and he bet me a hundred dollars he [TS]

00:07:15   wouldn't em and on the face of our [TS]

00:07:18   thought that was a good bet and very [TS]

00:07:20   quickly after making it I realized it [TS]

00:07:23   was a mistake and it wasn't a mistake [TS]

00:07:24   for the reason that you think it's a [TS]

00:07:26   mistake okay it wasn't a mistake because [TS]

00:07:29   gray is like a recluse or shy or doesn't [TS]

00:07:32   like attention [TS]

00:07:33   uh-huh that those things are true but [TS]

00:07:35   grades also like you know you do do [TS]

00:07:38   public things now [TS]

00:07:39   uh-huh and you've started doing more of [TS]

00:07:41   it and also you are like a nice guy and [TS]

00:07:44   someone who likes to please his friends [TS]

00:07:46   and his colleagues ok interesting i [TS]

00:07:49   think it's true you will help your [TS]

00:07:50   friends if they ask you and I imagine a [TS]

00:07:53   scenario where someone was going to say [TS]

00:07:55   you gray come up and do this panel I [TS]

00:07:57   help us out with this Q&A because you [TS]

00:07:59   know everyone that's great to be a nice [TS]

00:08:00   surprise and I thought put in that [TS]

00:08:02   situation you would agree to it [TS]

00:08:05   the thing that I didn't take into [TS]

00:08:07   account is Howard likely it was that [TS]

00:08:11   would happen [TS]

00:08:12   mm because people don't like giving up [TS]

00:08:15   their stage and what and what first and [TS]

00:08:18   doing a clear an area panel is going to [TS]

00:08:20   want to give up their limelight to [TS]

00:08:21   someone else you know these are like in [TS]

00:08:24   a YouTube celebrities who loves the [TS]

00:08:27   limelight so it suddenly occurred to me [TS]

00:08:29   hang on [TS]

00:08:29   great probably won't even get asked to [TS]

00:08:31   do this so you never have to refuse to [TS]

00:08:35   come on [TS]

00:08:36   did you get asked I when interacting [TS]

00:08:38   with people essentially pre shut down [TS]

00:08:41   any discussion of joining any panels by [TS]

00:08:43   always saying oh I'm just here is a [TS]

00:08:45   civilian [TS]

00:08:46   I'm just here as a tourist i'm not doing [TS]

00:08:48   anything I'm just here as a normal guy [TS]

00:08:50   just a normal person with [TS]

00:08:52   VidCon pass that's what I was trying to [TS]

00:08:54   pinch myself to in every single [TS]

00:08:56   interaction and you know remarkably no i [TS]

00:08:59   did not get asked to do anything but i [TS]

00:09:01   also agree with you that I interesting [TS]

00:09:03   experience of VidCon was over and over [TS]

00:09:08   realizing like oh this is obviously [TS]

00:09:11   we're all of the extra verts go [TS]

00:09:15   I think all of the people who loved to [TS]

00:09:18   be onstage who love to be in front of [TS]

00:09:21   huge audiences like by definition if you [TS]

00:09:24   are a huge youtube star you are probably [TS]

00:09:26   that kind of person you are probably not [TS]

00:09:29   a huge introverted like there are [TS]

00:09:31   exceptions to that but for the most case [TS]

00:09:33   that's the way it's going to work and so [TS]

00:09:36   you are definitely right that there may [TS]

00:09:38   have been an element of who wants to [TS]

00:09:40   invite an additional person up on their [TS]

00:09:42   panel nobody nobody wants to do that [TS]

00:09:44   everybody wants the panel to be as much [TS]

00:09:46   about them as they can possibly have a [TS]

00:09:47   big say I mean that's it i was right i [TS]

00:09:50   mean i was wrong but I was right and why [TS]

00:09:52   I was wrong as soon as I made the bet I [TS]

00:09:54   realized my mistake was not graze [TS]

00:09:56   introversion it was everyone else's [TS]

00:09:58   extraversion it's their unwillingness to [TS]

00:10:01   share the limelight so I are you a [TS]

00:10:04   hundred dollars you owe me a hundred [TS]

00:10:05   dollars and because of breaks at which [TS]

00:10:07   we may discuss later i need to do a bit [TS]

00:10:09   of horse trading about what the best way [TS]

00:10:11   to give you that money will be stressed [TS]

00:10:13   the pound plummets I don't know how I'm [TS]

00:10:16   gonna do this but i'll try and find a [TS]

00:10:18   way to do it they went bankrupt me right [TS]

00:10:20   $100 or 5,000 path so I lost the bet so [TS]

00:10:28   while i was at VidCon we had just [TS]

00:10:31   recorded that morning and we had her big [TS]

00:10:34   discussion about the snapchat how does [TS]

00:10:38   it work and why ? and for the entirety [TS]

00:10:42   of VidCon our friend Destin [TS]

00:10:46   smartereveryday just kept pushing me to [TS]

00:10:49   join snapshots that do that dude he's [TS]

00:10:52   like a snapchat drug pusher every [TS]

00:10:55   conversation I think he must have stuck [TS]

00:10:57   in the snapchat i honest to god that was [TS]

00:10:59   what i was thinking feels like you are [TS]

00:11:00   so pushing this i'm just going to assume [TS]

00:11:03   that you're a secret co-founder of [TS]

00:11:05   snapchat [TS]

00:11:06   nothing else makes any sense here and it [TS]

00:11:08   was one of those things where the more [TS]

00:11:11   someone talked the less unless i was [TS]

00:11:13   convinced every second right so like we [TS]

00:11:15   had this whole conversation where you [TS]

00:11:16   tried to explain it to me and then I had [TS]

00:11:18   destined showing me all of the amazing [TS]

00:11:21   things that you could do on snapchat [TS]

00:11:22   including a moment which I totally loved [TS]

00:11:24   where we were just having as you do I [TS]

00:11:27   hop for dinner in America and Destin [TS]

00:11:30   whips out his phone he's like look at [TS]

00:11:32   this thing that you can do I can just [TS]

00:11:34   film you and your hands eating your [TS]

00:11:36   dinner isn't this great this is going to [TS]

00:11:38   go up on snapchat immediately and people [TS]

00:11:40   can look at it as I I want nothing to do [TS]

00:11:43   with this natural thing poker the more [TS]

00:11:45   you're trying to convince me the less [TS]

00:11:47   convincing this absolutely is he was [TS]

00:11:50   super excited about that video he asked [TS]

00:11:52   me the other day if I want like the [TS]

00:11:53   original footage I think he thinks it's [TS]

00:11:55   approved to feel more than the moon [TS]

00:11:56   landings man prays heads on the snapchat [TS]

00:11:59   like it was that you know your snapchat [TS]

00:12:01   debut or something maybe there's [TS]

00:12:03   something about their video I've missed [TS]

00:12:04   but I sort of what shouldn't thought [TS]

00:12:06   it's just a dude filming another dudes [TS]

00:12:07   hands eating food too and the don'ts [TS]

00:12:09   sounds and impressed about being filmed [TS]

00:12:11   and the thing that I didn't even [TS]

00:12:13   understand it is it seems like snapchat [TS]

00:12:15   just like twitter has a character limit [TS]

00:12:17   snapchat has some kind of time limit for [TS]

00:12:19   what is recording yeah when he was [TS]

00:12:21   trying to explain it to me it just cuts [TS]

00:12:22   off in the middle as i get great you're [TS]

00:12:24   totally selling this thing you're gonna [TS]

00:12:25   film the thing we're talking about it [TS]

00:12:27   and then it just cuts off on the middle [TS]

00:12:29   anyway this is awful but this is dumb [TS]

00:12:31   this is terrible but it's nonetheless [TS]

00:12:34   while I mentioned in the last show that [TS]

00:12:36   I made a little note for my assistant to [TS]

00:12:39   make me a snapchat just like someone [TS]

00:12:41   totally out of touch would do after the [TS]

00:12:43   show i forgot to delete that little [TS]

00:12:46   instruction and so I have actually ended [TS]

00:12:49   up with a snapchat and I thought okay [TS]

00:12:53   just for completeness is sake i'm going [TS]

00:12:56   to install it on my phone and just see [TS]

00:12:58   what it looks like and maybe I'll do one [TS]

00:13:01   thing and then I'll just never do it [TS]

00:13:02   again and I just want to reiterate a [TS]

00:13:05   thousandfold your described experience [TS]

00:13:08   of even installing and using snapchat at [TS]

00:13:12   all is a completely baffling experience [TS]

00:13:14   thank you thank you [TS]

00:13:16   I did have a lot of people saying it [TS]

00:13:18   wasn't just you ready but having it come [TS]

00:13:19   from you is vindication because you're [TS]

00:13:22   you know you're pretty up with the tech [TS]

00:13:23   I thought you might be exaggerating or [TS]

00:13:27   just like totally out of touch but like [TS]

00:13:30   trying to get that thing installed and [TS]

00:13:32   looking at the stars like you have to [TS]

00:13:33   put this and can't get this thing take a [TS]

00:13:35   picture of this and then when it loads [TS]

00:13:36   up there is no labels on any buttons the [TS]

00:13:38   button seem intentionally obscure and [TS]

00:13:41   somehow throughout the entirety of [TS]

00:13:44   everybody describing it to me and [TS]

00:13:45   everybody showing it to me i somehow [TS]

00:13:47   missed it was purely video that there [TS]

00:13:50   was literally nothing you could do aside [TS]

00:13:52   from video and as soon as i figure that [TS]

00:13:53   out I was like I the hell with this i'm [TS]

00:13:55   just talking to get off my own you can [TS]

00:13:58   take stills no okay well i didn't get [TS]

00:14:00   far [TS]

00:14:01   then why don't you just tell you just [TS]

00:14:03   tap that video button instead of holding [TS]

00:14:04   it down [TS]

00:14:05   oh ok it's completely baffling great i [TS]

00:14:07   like it's like that scene in movies when [TS]

00:14:09   people get into the alien spacecraft and [TS]

00:14:12   there's like four different symbols on [TS]

00:14:14   the dashboard and yet somehow they still [TS]

00:14:15   managed to fly the spaceship [TS]

00:14:17   I don't like that's what the whole world [TS]

00:14:18   is like with snapchat we're flying the [TS]

00:14:20   spaceship with symbols and controls none [TS]

00:14:23   of us understand anyway I just have to [TS]

00:14:27   completely agree with you i feel like i [TS]

00:14:29   was glad to have the experience of maybe [TS]

00:14:34   90 seconds of playing around with [TS]

00:14:35   snapchat just to see what it was like [TS]

00:14:37   and then realizing nope i have no place [TS]

00:14:39   for this in my life it brings me [TS]

00:14:41   absolutely no utility no matter how much [TS]

00:14:44   Destin keeps pushing it no matter how [TS]

00:14:46   much he wants to drive up the value of [TS]

00:14:48   his stocks and snapchat i am not going [TS]

00:14:50   to use this thing to be fair it's suits [TS]

00:14:53   Destin because he's such a nice guy [TS]

00:14:55   usually charming and he really likes [TS]

00:14:57   interacting with as many people as [TS]

00:14:59   possible and he lives in this world [TS]

00:15:01   where his day lasts 90 hours so he has [TS]

00:15:03   time to do this as far as i can tell he [TS]

00:15:06   does not sleep as I said before I think [TS]

00:15:08   it's less you there has been an [TS]

00:15:09   interesting development in the world of [TS]

00:15:11   snapchat since we spoke you know how we [TS]

00:15:13   have this delusion that like the world [TS]

00:15:15   changes and continents move based on [TS]

00:15:18   things we talked about hello Internet [TS]

00:15:20   I don't think it is a delusion I more [TS]

00:15:22   episodes we do the more confirmation [TS]

00:15:25   bias we have for this [TS]

00:15:26   well you may remember I think I [TS]

00:15:29   mentioned this on the podcast [TS]

00:15:30   that was certainly something I felt I [TS]

00:15:32   felt a frustration about not being able [TS]

00:15:35   to take past material and media and put [TS]

00:15:39   it on the snapchat and always had to be [TS]

00:15:41   immediate like I had to make a picture [TS]

00:15:42   now and put it on I couldn't go and get [TS]

00:15:45   get those beautiful pictures from Mount [TS]

00:15:47   Everest five years ago when brag about [TS]

00:15:49   that on snapchat because you can't go [TS]

00:15:51   and get stuff from the vault right for [TS]

00:15:53   shame [TS]

00:15:54   yeah the funny thing is within a day or [TS]

00:15:57   two I realized the error of my ways and [TS]

00:16:00   I realized the strength of snapchat was [TS]

00:16:03   this immediacy people couldn't Instagram [TS]

00:16:05   and make their lives like all amazing it [TS]

00:16:07   was unvarnished it was like this really [TS]

00:16:10   nice immediate contact everything [TS]

00:16:12   disappears in 24 hours you know the [TS]

00:16:15   blackboard is constantly being white [TS]

00:16:17   clean and I realized this was what was [TS]

00:16:19   good about it and I embraced that now [TS]

00:16:21   and then about day or two after that [TS]

00:16:24   snapchat and melts they are now allowing [TS]

00:16:27   people to do the exact thing that I wish [TS]

00:16:29   they did and now I wish they wouldn't do [TS]

00:16:31   but they are doing and you can take [TS]

00:16:34   things from the vault and create this [TS]

00:16:35   new area of snapchat which I haven't [TS]

00:16:37   looked at yet and I don't know how it [TS]

00:16:38   works i think it's called memories or [TS]

00:16:40   something like that so in addition to [TS]

00:16:42   your sort of immediate day-to-day story [TS]

00:16:44   you can now go and get your perfectly [TS]

00:16:47   crafted photos and photoshop them and [TS]

00:16:50   have nice vignettes and make everything [TS]

00:16:52   look perfect and pretty and not the sort [TS]

00:16:55   of crazy and vanish snapchat which I [TS]

00:16:57   think works better [TS]

00:16:58   so it's all change well I trust that now [TS]

00:17:02   that you have explained to snapchat the [TS]

00:17:05   errors of their ways they will quickly [TS]

00:17:07   revert this decision if you've got a [TS]

00:17:10   phone or a camera or a computer full of [TS]

00:17:13   photos [TS]

00:17:14   why not liberate at least some of them [TS]

00:17:16   into the real world [TS]

00:17:17   nothing beats having some of your [TS]

00:17:18   favorite memories hanging on the wall [TS]

00:17:20   sitting on the mantelpiece or maybe [TS]

00:17:22   poached on your desk and one of the best [TS]

00:17:24   ways to do this is with fracture [TS]

00:17:26   fractures a great service which print [TS]

00:17:28   your photos onto a piece of glass [TS]

00:17:30   ready-made for display these bits of [TS]

00:17:33   glass have a special rigid backing to [TS]

00:17:34   make sure it's easy to hang but the [TS]

00:17:36   product is superlight really easy to [TS]

00:17:38   handle [TS]

00:17:39   are you going to do is simply upload the [TS]

00:17:40   picture to their website picker sighs [TS]

00:17:42   and free [TS]

00:17:43   picture will do the rest at their [TS]

00:17:44   factory or fracture e in Florida [TS]

00:17:47   I've done it myself it's painless and a [TS]

00:17:49   pleasant process I especially recommend [TS]

00:17:52   fractures as gifts if you've got a [TS]

00:17:54   relative or a friend or a partner and [TS]

00:17:56   you're stuck for a gift idea you can [TS]

00:17:58   never go wrong with a nice sentimental [TS]

00:18:00   photo and having it fractured in two [TS]

00:18:02   glasses also a real talking point when [TS]

00:18:04   you give the president doesn't even have [TS]

00:18:06   to be a birthday or an anniversary or [TS]

00:18:08   anything like that just give one as a [TS]

00:18:10   gift out of the blue that ends you even [TS]

00:18:12   more brownie points fractures a clean [TS]

00:18:15   frameless and beautifully finished they [TS]

00:18:17   come with a 60 day happiness guarantee [TS]

00:18:19   i'd recommend just having a look at [TS]

00:18:21   their website to get you started that [TS]

00:18:22   explains everything really well and [TS]

00:18:24   there's lots of pictures showing how it [TS]

00:18:26   all works and what the finished product [TS]

00:18:28   is gonna look like that website is [TS]

00:18:29   fracture me.com fracture me.com if you [TS]

00:18:35   do order something you'll get ten [TS]

00:18:37   percent of your first order by using the [TS]

00:18:39   code [TS]

00:18:40   hello internet that's ten percent off [TS]

00:18:42   hello internet and no no you came from [TS]

00:18:45   the show thank you to fracture for their [TS]

00:18:47   support and seriously give them a look [TS]

00:18:49   it's a really nifty product so we have [TS]

00:18:53   to talk about flags if we're going to [TS]

00:18:55   have a classic episode well and we [TS]

00:18:57   probably have to talk about emojis [TS]

00:18:59   okay I have an emoji flag story how do [TS]

00:19:02   you a submission has been prepared and [TS]

00:19:04   again i'll try and link to it i think [TS]

00:19:06   it's been done by these people from [TS]

00:19:08   emoji pedia and you know people in the [TS]

00:19:11   emoji world have put in this formal [TS]

00:19:13   submission to whoever you have to [TS]

00:19:14   formally submit things to to have emojis [TS]

00:19:17   recognized to have the home nation flags [TS]

00:19:20   made into official emojis because at the [TS]

00:19:25   moment there is the Union Jack [TS]

00:19:26   representing the United Kingdom but [TS]

00:19:29   there is no england flag there is no [TS]

00:19:31   wireless flag there's no Scotland flag [TS]

00:19:33   and I've actually found that quite [TS]

00:19:35   frustrating there have been times [TS]

00:19:36   believe are not where I wanted to use [TS]

00:19:38   those flags and have been unable to [TS]

00:19:40   literally not more than three hours ago [TS]

00:19:43   I wanted to send someone in England [TS]

00:19:46   Wales emoji flag thing and discovered [TS]

00:19:49   for the very first time that those whole [TS]

00:19:51   nation flags don't exist i just assume [TS]

00:19:53   that they would be there but there [TS]

00:19:54   that yeah so I know there are sort of [TS]

00:19:57   thin end of the wedge and you can open [TS]

00:19:59   the floodgates and where does this stop [TS]

00:20:01   but i think the home nations should be [TS]

00:20:03   in the emoji sphere and i hope that this [TS]

00:20:06   submission was successful [TS]

00:20:08   well I mean if they're going to do the [TS]

00:20:10   whole nation flags i think they [TS]

00:20:13   absolutely have to do all 50 states [TS]

00:20:14   flags i think there's no way around that [TS]

00:20:16   no this is not the case because I beg to [TS]

00:20:19   disagree and obviously have to do the [TS]

00:20:21   Liberian County flags but yes of course [TS]

00:20:24   right just for funsies those need to be [TS]

00:20:25   in there yes i agree but this whole [TS]

00:20:28   nation thing has been causing [TS]

00:20:29   significant problems for example the [TS]

00:20:31   european football championships which [TS]

00:20:32   are finishing today as we record the [TS]

00:20:35   fire was actually on shortly [TS]

00:20:36   there's no united kingdom team in that [TS]

00:20:39   there's all these international teams [TS]

00:20:41   and we have when I was competing and we [TS]

00:20:42   have England the same is true of the [TS]

00:20:44   world cup of football now Texas and [TS]

00:20:47   California who and Nevada and whatever [TS]

00:20:51   don't have teams competing at the world [TS]

00:20:53   cup but Scotland and Wales and England [TS]

00:20:56   are these are countries that states that [TS]

00:20:58   actually causes formatting problems with [TS]

00:21:00   some people who depend on emojis when [TS]

00:21:02   all these tourneys take place and I mean [TS]

00:21:05   I know there's more to the world and [TS]

00:21:06   sport but it's going to say yes I find [TS]

00:21:10   your solely because there are sports [TS]

00:21:12   competing things not super convincing [TS]

00:21:14   home nations and sports is always such a [TS]

00:21:16   confusing weird historical thing that [TS]

00:21:19   occurs that doesn't necessarily make any [TS]

00:21:21   sense whatsoever especially when you [TS]

00:21:23   look at the population breakdown of [TS]

00:21:25   Scotland Wales Northern Ireland we know [TS]

00:21:28   versus other places so I'm definitely [TS]

00:21:31   gonna say this that if the home nations [TS]

00:21:32   get accepted i think the moji committee [TS]

00:21:36   or whoever is in charge of this i think [TS]

00:21:38   they have to do the individual state [TS]

00:21:40   flags i think there's no argument around [TS]

00:21:41   this i don't find your sports than [TS]

00:21:43   convincing just seriously for a moment [TS]

00:21:45   you seriously believe that [TS]

00:21:46   yeah I think they should do the state [TS]

00:21:47   flags what about the state flags [TS]

00:21:49   Australia you know I mean let's be [TS]

00:21:51   honest who cares are so America can have [TS]

00:21:54   a statement exactly right exactly right [TS]

00:21:56   listen but who cares right nobody often [TS]

00:21:59   have you ever want to use a state flag [TS]

00:22:01   for one of the states and australia [TS]

00:22:02   never right [TS]

00:22:04   how often does someone from Texas want [TS]

00:22:06   to use a Texas flag emoji [TS]

00:22:08   I bet every day of their life Texans are [TS]

00:22:10   sad that they don't have an official [TS]

00:22:12   Texas emoji to use I bet there's an [TS]

00:22:15   everyday sad texans in their hats [TS]

00:22:17   yeah well it's been an emoji of like a [TS]

00:22:19   cowboy hat or something it's not the [TS]

00:22:21   same as Texas you know and and think of [TS]

00:22:24   all of those states they could have such [TS]

00:22:26   a beautiful field of barely [TS]

00:22:29   distinguishable blue icons with some [TS]

00:22:32   kind of muddy yellow logo in the center [TS]

00:22:34   each of them to pick from it could be [TS]

00:22:36   amazing i can already foresee the day [TS]

00:22:38   we're on the 4-inch screen of my iphone [TS]

00:22:42   SE e I'm trying to distinguish the new [TS]

00:22:46   york state flag by looking for a tiny [TS]

00:22:48   Excelsior written at the bottom of a [TS]

00:22:50   banner or a smiling Sun face in the [TS]

00:22:52   middle of a field in the background [TS]

00:22:54   trying to distinguish that from all of [TS]

00:22:56   the varying his other blue flags with [TS]

00:22:58   the seal in the center i look forward to [TS]

00:23:00   that day it could an emoji possibly [TS]

00:23:03   contain the spectacular horror that is [TS]

00:23:05   the maryland state flag [TS]

00:23:08   I wonder how many pixels by how many [TS]

00:23:11   pixels a standard emoji is and I know [TS]

00:23:15   Apple did just make an announcement that [TS]

00:23:16   they're going to and begin their emoji [TS]

00:23:18   by three times even still I can easily [TS]

00:23:21   imagine that when you have to pick it [TS]

00:23:23   out in that tiny little keyboard at the [TS]

00:23:25   bottom there is simply no way to [TS]

00:23:27   distinguish the flags and the parallel [TS]

00:23:29   in flag at least you'll be able to pick [TS]

00:23:31   it out but how much detail will [TS]

00:23:33   accurately represent of their flag [TS]

00:23:36   I bet none in all seriousness I do [TS]

00:23:41   realize there would be a greater demand [TS]

00:23:43   for American state flags than any other [TS]

00:23:45   state flags of course that you cannot [TS]

00:23:48   put the American state flags in at the [TS]

00:23:51   expense of other country states and [TS]

00:23:54   counties whereas I think the home [TS]

00:23:56   nations of the UK while not being quite [TS]

00:23:59   as fully fledged get angry Scottish [TS]

00:24:01   people as other countries i think has a [TS]

00:24:05   higher ranking and should be brought [TS]

00:24:08   into the fold before we even have the [TS]

00:24:10   conversation about state flags [TS]

00:24:12   yeah but like how many people even live [TS]

00:24:14   in Wales have to look this up now [TS]

00:24:17   thank you a hundred thousand people hey [TS]

00:24:19   they just made the semi-finals of the [TS]

00:24:20   euro [TS]

00:24:21   more people live in Wales than Iceland [TS]

00:24:23   maybe I haven't checked that fact yeah i [TS]

00:24:27   know i was a whatever whatever we got [TS]

00:24:29   here well how many people do live in was [TS]

00:24:31   ok there three million people in Wales [TS]

00:24:34   oh that's white bigger than Iceland and [TS]

00:24:36   I should get an emoji that's true [TS]

00:24:38   iceland you get an emoji but at least [TS]

00:24:40   they are a fully sovereign nation make [TS]

00:24:43   them look like they're on the world [TS]

00:24:44   stage there agree and that's why they're [TS]

00:24:46   in and why was is not yet but i think [TS]

00:24:49   what else needs to come in before [TS]

00:24:51   something even less sovereign like [TS]

00:24:53   Maryland but the sovereignty matter or [TS]

00:24:56   does it is the number of that you put it [TS]

00:24:57   up [TS]

00:24:58   I'm just saying like we have to start [TS]

00:24:59   somewhere right it's like okay we're [TS]

00:25:00   starting with all the sovereign nations [TS]

00:25:02   ok obviously done although actually do [TS]

00:25:04   they have all of the flags for the [TS]

00:25:05   nation's I don't even know I'm sure [TS]

00:25:06   there's some nation out there that's [TS]

00:25:07   really angry [TS]

00:25:08   is there a vatican city flag i don't [TS]

00:25:10   actually now I wonder but after that I [TS]

00:25:12   think you have to start looking at [TS]

00:25:14   populations and that's why I think you [TS]

00:25:15   have to go with those state flags figure [TS]

00:25:17   you know California Texas New York [TS]

00:25:20   there's hundreds of millions of people [TS]

00:25:22   that live in those states will hang on [TS]

00:25:24   there are we gonna start having like [TS]

00:25:25   provinces of China before we have Texas [TS]

00:25:27   then because they've got more people I [TS]

00:25:29   can get behind that [TS]

00:25:30   galloway we've made it clear that the [TS]

00:25:32   decision is based on sovereignty that [TS]

00:25:34   decision has been made [TS]

00:25:36   ok so we did the sovereignty level and [TS]

00:25:37   then I think after sovereignty then you [TS]

00:25:38   start looking at like what's the market [TS]

00:25:40   demand for a California emoji versus a [TS]

00:25:45   northern ireland emoji [TS]

00:25:46   okay great i'm on with you then so are [TS]

00:25:48   you now saying if all the Texans want a [TS]

00:25:51   Texas emoji with some little tiny state [TS]

00:25:54   I don't know what's the smallest state [TS]

00:25:55   in America hadn't even know what's the [TS]

00:25:56   smallest population like a Wyoming of [TS]

00:25:59   course when is it OK [TS]

00:26:01   why me and say there's not much demand [TS]

00:26:03   from them [TS]

00:26:04   does that mean they don't get into the [TS]

00:26:05   emoji but Texas do or because we have [TS]

00:26:08   one state flag of America we get all the [TS]

00:26:10   state flags at once you have to do them [TS]

00:26:11   as a collection right we do them as a [TS]

00:26:13   collection has 1st argument okay can [TS]

00:26:16   start with the Chinese provinces do them [TS]

00:26:19   all as a collection and then move on to [TS]

00:26:20   the american states there's only so much [TS]

00:26:24   labor we have in the world to create all [TS]

00:26:26   of these emoji can you hear that great [TS]

00:26:28   can you hear that sound [TS]

00:26:29   what sound is that the scent of your [TS]

00:26:31   argument crashing down [TS]

00:26:32   Angie I think it's perfectly solid we [TS]

00:26:36   have all the nations and then let's [TS]

00:26:38   start going through everything else in [TS]

00:26:39   the world by population divisions as [TS]

00:26:42   sets though haha but i think i did [TS]

00:26:45   notice in the submission and I could be [TS]

00:26:46   wrong on this in this submission they [TS]

00:26:49   were going for Scotland Wales and [TS]

00:26:51   England but i don't remember saying [TS]

00:26:53   northern ireland in the submit a seat [TS]

00:26:55   now it's not even consistent if that's [TS]

00:26:56   true that is inconsistent maybe it's not [TS]

00:26:58   true but i did want to quickly ask you [TS]

00:27:01   because you know we just love talking [TS]

00:27:02   about flags and this is a classic [TS]

00:27:03   episode right doors [TS]

00:27:05   I know how you feel about the Union Jack [TS]

00:27:07   you think it's awesome how do you feel [TS]

00:27:10   about the flags of england scotland and [TS]

00:27:13   in particular White House i love that [TS]

00:27:19   size just it says to me grace taking [TS]

00:27:22   this really seriously and you so rarely [TS]

00:27:24   take me seriously but it makes me feel [TS]

00:27:26   good [TS]

00:27:27   it's like you settle again suddenly i'm [TS]

00:27:29   not i'm not just gonna shoot from the [TS]

00:27:31   hip on that one [TS]

00:27:31   this is going to require consideration [TS]

00:27:34   why shoot-from-the-hip I don't think I [TS]

00:27:36   shoot-from-the-hip I don't think you put [TS]

00:27:38   a lot of thought into your answers when [TS]

00:27:39   i ask you questions about say the black [TS]

00:27:41   stump I think you I think you just say [TS]

00:27:43   anything to shut me up but when you go [TS]

00:27:45   oh I can feel your brain warming up as [TS]

00:27:50   you start thinking about it and I feel [TS]

00:27:54   about those various flags I mean the [TS]

00:27:57   England what makes me kind of sleepy i [TS]

00:27:59   think the England one is a little boring [TS]

00:28:00   era you know what I mean that literally [TS]

00:28:03   get kinda sleepy when I look at it yeah [TS]

00:28:04   but you know what those really really [TS]

00:28:07   boring flags like England which is for [TS]

00:28:09   those who don't know it's just white [TS]

00:28:11   with a red cross on it right [TS]

00:28:12   those flags say to me this country's old [TS]

00:28:16   man this country's seen some stuff [TS]

00:28:18   because the more boring your flag [TS]

00:28:22   usually the older you are because you [TS]

00:28:24   didn't have to do anything complicated [TS]

00:28:25   because they weren't that many other [TS]

00:28:26   flags to compete with so when someone's [TS]

00:28:29   gotta really really boring flag that [TS]

00:28:31   says to me you got you going to take [TS]

00:28:32   them seriously man they've seen stuff [TS]

00:28:35   you can't even imagine like if you're a [TS]

00:28:37   new country like America it's like I [TS]

00:28:38   let's just check some stars on there and [TS]

00:28:41   some struck now more stars more stars [TS]

00:28:43   we're going to be going to bring this [TS]

00:28:44   baby up man [TS]

00:28:45   we got to get noticed was England's like [TS]

00:28:48   we don't need to be noticed man like [TS]

00:28:50   where England move just a cross on a [TS]

00:28:52   white background [TS]

00:28:54   yeah well yeah well that's all we had [TS]

00:28:56   when we were making flags stars hadn't [TS]

00:28:58   even been invented yet [TS]

00:28:59   yeah and also we couldn't die cloth so [TS]

00:29:02   that's why i like it i guess i can try [TS]

00:29:08   to incorporate that into my thoughts on [TS]

00:29:10   it but it's still just kind of makes me [TS]

00:29:11   sleepy [TS]

00:29:12   ok it scotland which is the what's [TS]

00:29:15   called the South tires enough st. [TS]

00:29:17   Andrew's cross is that it says here on [TS]

00:29:18   my google thats altai is another term [TS]

00:29:21   for st. Andrew's cross okay even though [TS]

00:29:23   in theory the scottish flag is [TS]

00:29:25   essentially kinda like the same as the [TS]

00:29:27   English flag because it's just now a [TS]

00:29:28   white cross on a blue background [TS]

00:29:30   I feel like the scottish flag is so much [TS]

00:29:32   more exciting it doesn't make me sleepy [TS]

00:29:33   at all looking at it I definitely give a [TS]

00:29:35   thumbs-up to scottish flag without a [TS]

00:29:38   doubt yet I I have to agree with you [TS]

00:29:39   after a great i like the navy blue the [TS]

00:29:41   background of it i just i think it's i [TS]

00:29:43   think it's very good color would you say [TS]

00:29:44   navy blue yeah maybe [TS]

00:29:46   navy blue is not right navy blues too [TS]

00:29:47   dark i do not have a word in my [TS]

00:29:50   vocabulary for the color of blue that [TS]

00:29:51   the scottish flag is but I feel like it [TS]

00:29:53   is identifiable as this Scotland black [TS]

00:29:56   color I definitely like it [TS]

00:29:58   alright then what do we have here I mean [TS]

00:30:00   the way I was flag I'm very curious to [TS]

00:30:02   hear what you think of it I mean you [TS]

00:30:04   have to talk about the Ulster banner for [TS]

00:30:05   Northern Ireland well i think in keeping [TS]

00:30:08   with this submission maybe we should [TS]

00:30:09   just pretend it doesn't exist [TS]

00:30:11   ok sorry Northern Ireland we're gonna [TS]

00:30:12   skip it for today which actually makes [TS]

00:30:14   sense automatically for a thing that I'm [TS]

00:30:16   going to show you and ask about so wails [TS]

00:30:18   I don't know I don't know about the [TS]

00:30:21   whales flag [TS]

00:30:22   I'm never quite sure what to think about [TS]

00:30:23   it because on one hand they have a [TS]

00:30:26   dragon which takes up most of the flag [TS]

00:30:28   and dragons are awesome [TS]

00:30:30   it's hard to argue against dragons but [TS]

00:30:33   at the same time I'm not really sure [TS]

00:30:36   that I like that dragon I think for like [TS]

00:30:39   with many flag designs can suffer from [TS]

00:30:42   being overly complicated and yet kind of [TS]

00:30:46   childish at the same time hmmm i have [TS]

00:30:50   funny mixed feelings about that dragon [TS]

00:30:52   this is probably the best way to [TS]

00:30:54   summarize my thoughts in the whales flag [TS]

00:30:55   the further away from it i am the more I [TS]

00:30:57   like it [TS]

00:30:58   the closer I get to the whales flag [TS]

00:31:00   probably the less i like it i think the [TS]

00:31:02   word flag is awesome [TS]

00:31:03   mm but i realized that i probably [TS]

00:31:06   shouldn't and I realize you probably [TS]

00:31:07   shouldn't I mean certainly no child [TS]

00:31:09   could draw because that dragon is [TS]

00:31:10   incredibly complicated right and you're [TS]

00:31:13   right it is a weird mixture sort of [TS]

00:31:15   childish and complicated when I don't [TS]

00:31:18   know I just I think it's one of those [TS]

00:31:19   things that's just been part of my life [TS]

00:31:21   for so long that I kind of ignore that [TS]

00:31:23   side of a I just think it works just [TS]

00:31:25   switch the country and I don't know if [TS]

00:31:27   it's because actually sort of the [TS]

00:31:28   country or have just been associated for [TS]

00:31:30   so long in my head that I cannot [TS]

00:31:32   disentangle them but right this is of [TS]

00:31:34   course the Association problem at all [TS]

00:31:36   the flags have for you you're wrapping [TS]

00:31:38   up your feelings of the nation with the [TS]

00:31:41   flag itself in a way that's impossible [TS]

00:31:42   to distinguish yeah and i really like [TS]

00:31:45   way I was a nobody like Welsh people [TS]

00:31:46   because I'm not English most English [TS]

00:31:48   people don't but i'm not actually [TS]

00:31:50   English of course I'm Australian and [TS]

00:31:52   because Welsh people hate english people [TS]

00:31:54   and Australian say English people I feel [TS]

00:31:56   like they're my brothers [TS]

00:31:58   Wow [TS]

00:32:02   leave your comments on the Red Planet [TS]

00:32:04   some e+ tribalism right there Brady do [TS]

00:32:08   it [TS]

00:32:08   it all comes down to sport so i think [TS]

00:32:11   i'll ask your opinion on is I actually [TS]

00:32:14   think that the welsh dragon looks better [TS]

00:32:17   simply as an outline which I've seen in [TS]

00:32:20   a few design motifs like if you just [TS]

00:32:21   color the whole thing in his red i think [TS]

00:32:24   it's interesting and there is a proposed [TS]

00:32:27   version of the union jack flag which I [TS]

00:32:30   would like your opinion on which [TS]

00:32:32   combines the whales flag into it because [TS]

00:32:36   right now there is no whales iconography [TS]

00:32:38   on the Union Jack as it stands so i have [TS]

00:32:40   sent you an image and i'm curious to see [TS]

00:32:43   what you think of this flag [TS]

00:32:44   ok now file fail not just because it's [TS]

00:32:48   too BTW now and too complicated and the [TS]

00:32:50   Dragons too small but also what great [TS]

00:32:53   has sent me is essentially the Union [TS]

00:32:55   Jack with a little tiny dragon right in [TS]

00:32:56   the middle and it almost puts too much [TS]

00:32:59   emphasis on the dragon because [TS]

00:33:00   everything's pointing at her and it [TS]

00:33:02   spread the center and suddenly makes [TS]

00:33:04   while seem like it's the center of [TS]

00:33:06   everything that's a big fail [TS]

00:33:09   big fail big pile what about you what do [TS]

00:33:12   you think of that I think it's [TS]

00:33:13   interesting but it's also one of these [TS]

00:33:16   things like mandatory voting that I can [TS]

00:33:19   ever come to a solid opinion on every [TS]

00:33:21   once in awhile i remember this design of [TS]

00:33:22   flag with the whales dragon in the [TS]

00:33:24   center exist and i go back and look at [TS]

00:33:26   it and I can never quite make up my mind [TS]

00:33:27   about whether I like it or whether I [TS]

00:33:29   don't just like with mandatory voting go [TS]

00:33:31   back and forth forever for 20 years [TS]

00:33:33   about whether i think it's a good idea [TS]

00:33:35   or not and i feel that exact same way [TS]

00:33:37   about this flag you can't mess with the [TS]

00:33:40   Union Jack pray that's like if you get a [TS]

00:33:42   mess with that when you stop you don't [TS]

00:33:45   get me wrong I would never propose that [TS]

00:33:47   we actually changed to this flag is just [TS]

00:33:49   a question of do I think this is an [TS]

00:33:50   interesting design or not but now the [TS]

00:33:52   union jack is an amazing flag that will [TS]

00:33:56   hopefully but possibly not live forever [TS]

00:34:00   I am k to talk to you about Tesla em [TS]

00:34:05   because we didn't talk about last time [TS]

00:34:07   but i know you had a ride and in a Tesla [TS]

00:34:09   for the first time you break your [TS]

00:34:10   Tessler virginity I want to know what [TS]

00:34:12   you think about it now you've been in [TS]

00:34:14   one [TS]

00:34:14   it's like obviously it's all more real i [TS]

00:34:17   was wondering if you tell me anything [TS]

00:34:18   about I haven't asked you on or off the [TS]

00:34:20   air and I'm really getting to know ya so [TS]

00:34:23   our mutual friend Marco Arment actually [TS]

00:34:27   gave me a ride in his Tesla and that was [TS]

00:34:32   part of my travels this summer when I i [TS]

00:34:34   went to new york and it just worked out [TS]

00:34:36   that I happen to be able to possibly [TS]

00:34:39   meet up with Marco and then he dangled [TS]

00:34:41   the idea of being able to ride in a [TS]

00:34:43   Tesla in front of me and I was like sold [TS]

00:34:46   ok I have to make this happen now so i [TS]

00:34:48   went up to meet him and yeah we've got [TS]

00:34:50   to drive around in the test out for a [TS]

00:34:51   little while and I mean first of all [TS]

00:34:54   Tesla's are just super cool cars there's [TS]

00:34:57   no doubt about that like they just look [TS]

00:34:58   cool from the outside and nice-looking [TS]

00:35:00   yeah and I had never actually sat in one [TS]

00:35:04   on the inside and on the inside as well [TS]

00:35:06   like the test those are just cool [TS]

00:35:07   everything about them is super sleek I [TS]

00:35:10   think and one of the things that I [TS]

00:35:13   wanted to see in the test level were [TS]

00:35:15   driving around that is hard to get a [TS]

00:35:17   sense of from just looking at pictures [TS]

00:35:19   is how does this big screen [TS]

00:35:22   work in the center because that such the [TS]

00:35:24   different thing about the interior of [TS]

00:35:26   that car versus other cars so I kept [TS]

00:35:28   looking out on the road I guess we're [TS]

00:35:30   driving around trying to see how does [TS]

00:35:31   this screen work in my peripheral vision [TS]

00:35:33   and especially because i am someone who [TS]

00:35:37   the older I get I find I have more and [TS]

00:35:39   more motion sickness and cars if I look [TS]

00:35:42   down and look up even briefly to read [TS]

00:35:44   those kind of curious to see like if I'm [TS]

00:35:46   looking at the the window and then [TS]

00:35:48   looking down the screen looking back up [TS]

00:35:49   and have to say because the screen is so [TS]

00:35:51   huge I think it really works on the [TS]

00:35:55   interior and it was nice to see that [TS]

00:35:56   they had thought through a bunch of [TS]

00:35:58   clever design elements about how to [TS]

00:36:01   control a bunch of things from the [TS]

00:36:02   steering wheel or sections of the screen [TS]

00:36:05   that never ever ever changed so that [TS]

00:36:07   like in the bottom corners you can [TS]

00:36:08   always have muscle memory for making the [TS]

00:36:10   car do certain things I think like [TS]

00:36:12   temperature controls and some other [TS]

00:36:13   stuff was down there so from the inside [TS]

00:36:16   I was very very impressed with the Tesla [TS]

00:36:19   i have to say i quite liked it so marco [TS]

00:36:22   was showing off the super fast [TS]

00:36:25   acceleration which I did not like [TS]

00:36:27   because I don't appreciate the sensation [TS]

00:36:29   of super fast acceleration that was very [TS]

00:36:31   impressive as like you can keep showing [TS]

00:36:35   this off if you don't mind cleaning the [TS]

00:36:37   interior of your car shortly [TS]

00:36:39   that's a game you can play if you want [TS]

00:36:41   to but a bunch of the things that the [TS]

00:36:43   car does as well just seems so natural [TS]

00:36:46   like for example that there's no jarring [TS]

00:36:49   because of gear changing it just seems [TS]

00:36:51   like this is the way cars should work [TS]

00:36:53   you don't miss it at all like oh boy I [TS]

00:36:55   wish this car was really Jenky is it [TS]

00:36:57   accelerated as it as it tries to [TS]

00:36:58   manually shift through gears right it [TS]

00:37:00   doesn't do that at all so that's [TS]

00:37:02   fantastic [TS]

00:37:03   and then finally the thing that I was [TS]

00:37:05   most interested to see was a lot of the [TS]

00:37:07   self-driving stuff in person [TS]

00:37:10   yeah and i know that i am the wrong [TS]

00:37:13   person to evaluate this in some ways [TS]

00:37:16   because it's a thing that I have a lot [TS]

00:37:19   of interest and but I felt again like [TS]

00:37:22   the self-driving stuff was also natural [TS]

00:37:25   that it was entirely unremarkable there [TS]

00:37:29   was no moment of like wow I'm in a [TS]

00:37:31   self-driving car and a lot [TS]

00:37:32   like watching this thing trying to [TS]

00:37:33   navigate the highway and stuff is like [TS]

00:37:35   yeah this just seems natural just like [TS]

00:37:37   no gear shifts the self-driving stuff it [TS]

00:37:39   seems like this is just the way car [TS]

00:37:41   should work [TS]

00:37:42   this is the way I want these things [TS]

00:37:43   because it just plod along and it's like [TS]

00:37:45   it doesn't like change lanes and do over [TS]

00:37:47   text does or doesn't like how much does [TS]

00:37:49   it don't sign at the moment [TS]

00:37:50   yeah so this was one of the things that [TS]

00:37:52   it was a bit of a funny experience [TS]

00:37:53   because in the discussion of how soon [TS]

00:37:58   are self-driving cars coming [TS]

00:38:00   Marco owning a Tesla and actually using [TS]

00:38:04   self driving features thinks that I am [TS]

00:38:06   being overly optimistic about how soon [TS]

00:38:08   these things are are going to arrive and [TS]

00:38:11   part of what he wanted to show me in the [TS]

00:38:14   demo was situations under which it [TS]

00:38:16   doesn't work or it doesn't always do [TS]

00:38:18   precisely what you would expect it to do [TS]

00:38:20   and so he was trying to show me a bunch [TS]

00:38:22   of this stuff but my experience of [TS]

00:38:24   sitting in the car was mostly thinking [TS]

00:38:25   like I think the cars doing pretty well [TS]

00:38:27   I think that's the only great there was [TS]

00:38:29   a situation where we were on the highway [TS]

00:38:31   and he has his hands off of the wheel [TS]

00:38:34   and the car is driving on the highway [TS]

00:38:36   and what it does is it stays in its own [TS]

00:38:38   lane and it tries to keep an appropriate [TS]

00:38:40   distance from the car in front of it but [TS]

00:38:41   you can tell the Tesla I would like to [TS]

00:38:44   turn lanes without actually forcing it [TS]

00:38:48   to and so the car makes a decision about [TS]

00:38:50   whether or not it's going to change [TS]

00:38:51   lanes and so marco was able to [TS]

00:38:54   essentially put the car in a situation [TS]

00:38:56   where he told it to change lanes but the [TS]

00:39:00   car wouldn't even though there was [TS]

00:39:02   nothing blocking the way right like the [TS]

00:39:04   test low clearly thought that there was [TS]

00:39:06   some reason it shouldn't change lanes [TS]

00:39:07   even though everything was fine like a [TS]

00:39:08   human driver would think it was okay and [TS]

00:39:11   I was looking at that thinking yeah like [TS]

00:39:13   that's a mistake like the car should be [TS]

00:39:15   changing lanes but it's not but if the [TS]

00:39:17   thing is overly cautious like I can [TS]

00:39:20   hardly fault it [TS]

00:39:21   yeah I mean it's a pretty amazing thing [TS]

00:39:23   it's like God has parted the Red Sea and [TS]

00:39:25   people are complaining that the sand is [TS]

00:39:26   still a bit damp yeah hello my feet are [TS]

00:39:28   getting wet [TS]

00:39:29   yeah i mean i would be remiss therefore [TS]

00:39:33   to not now bring up the fact we did have [TS]

00:39:34   her first death [TS]

00:39:36   yeah in a Tesla this obviously has [TS]

00:39:38   crossed your radar at Tesla had a crash [TS]

00:39:40   while in this auto drive mode and a lot [TS]

00:39:43   of people said I was great say about [TS]

00:39:45   that [TS]

00:39:45   so what's great about that well it had [TS]

00:39:49   to happen didn't that [TS]

00:39:50   yeah that's exactly its it was [TS]

00:39:52   absolutely inevitable that somebody you [TS]

00:39:55   would die eventually in a Tesla and I [TS]

00:39:59   think the very fact that that is a news [TS]

00:40:01   story goes to show you how I think this [TS]

00:40:04   is incredibly rare and i forget what the [TS]

00:40:06   numbers are but Tesla came out with the [TS]

00:40:07   numbers but like how many millions and [TS]

00:40:09   millions of human miles have been driven [TS]

00:40:11   in the autopilot system and now we [TS]

00:40:13   finally have one person has died [TS]

00:40:16   to me this stuff is always just a [TS]

00:40:17   question of there's some group of people [TS]

00:40:21   who think it needs to be perfect before [TS]

00:40:23   people start using it and i am not in [TS]

00:40:26   that group [TS]

00:40:27   my only question is is it better than [TS]

00:40:29   human drivers and again like the Tesla [TS]

00:40:31   can't drive point-to-point there's lots [TS]

00:40:33   of things they can't do there's lots of [TS]

00:40:35   ways it's kind of cheating so like one [TS]

00:40:36   of the things marker showed me that I I [TS]

00:40:38   didn't know is that on local roads where [TS]

00:40:41   the Tesla is clearly much more uncertain [TS]

00:40:44   about turns and speed limits and all the [TS]

00:40:46   rest of this it has a kind of cheating [TS]

00:40:48   mode where it'll follow a car in front [TS]

00:40:51   of its on local roads in situations [TS]

00:40:54   where it seems like it couldn't self [TS]

00:40:56   drive itself and I thought that's [TS]

00:40:57   interesting [TS]

00:40:58   this is a case where yes on a local road [TS]

00:41:00   it is much more limited and it does way [TS]

00:41:02   better on a highway so again this stuff [TS]

00:41:05   isn't self self driving but it's like I [TS]

00:41:08   really feel like it's gonna be better [TS]

00:41:09   than human drivers very shortly [TS]

00:41:12   yes people will die but you know [TS]

00:41:15   horrific numbers of people died on the [TS]

00:41:18   roads right now so when people sent via [TS]

00:41:21   Twitter and a whole bunch of other ways [TS]

00:41:23   like oh my gosh what do I think about [TS]

00:41:24   someone dying in a Tesla like well I [TS]

00:41:27   don't really think about it very much i [TS]

00:41:29   just i just do not think it matters i [TS]

00:41:31   don't think it's an important news story [TS]

00:41:33   in anyway when do you disagree with that [TS]

00:41:36   now i don't actually I i greatly i mean [TS]

00:41:38   i don't want to sort of fire up the [TS]

00:41:41   cheer pressure or have you know have [TS]

00:41:43   people pylon and I know there's all this [TS]

00:41:45   debate about the incident itself but if [TS]

00:41:48   it was caused by the fact that the [TS]

00:41:50   camera and the computer couldn't tell [TS]

00:41:51   the difference between the white side of [TS]

00:41:53   the lorry and the white sky that is [TS]

00:41:56   quite a motive it's quite a good scare [TS]

00:41:58   story you know [TS]

00:41:58   and if it is the case i hope they fix it [TS]

00:42:00   but I kind of agree its peak cliche but [TS]

00:42:04   you know people died in plane crashes [TS]

00:42:06   all the time it doesn't stop is flying [TS]

00:42:07   and things like that so I think it's not [TS]

00:42:10   like a big deal but this move to [TS]

00:42:13   self-driving cars is less of a [TS]

00:42:17   technology battle and more of a battle [TS]

00:42:19   for hearts and minds [TS]

00:42:20   I have to say I've come to your way of [TS]

00:42:22   thinking you know I always thought this [TS]

00:42:24   was further away in the future then you [TS]

00:42:26   did and I now think it's closer [TS]

00:42:29   it just seems to be all happening so [TS]

00:42:30   quickly now so many trials so many [TS]

00:42:33   implementations in sort of real-world [TS]

00:42:35   environments that I thought was a bit [TS]

00:42:37   further down the road it's already [TS]

00:42:38   happening so I'm sort of thinking great [TS]

00:42:41   was right on this one I think this is [TS]

00:42:42   gonna happen quick now a question I have [TS]

00:42:45   for you because you are much more [TS]

00:42:47   plugged into the news than I am because [TS]

00:42:49   my only experience of hearing about the [TS]

00:42:51   story is people individually contacting [TS]

00:42:53   me about it but i'm willing to bet like [TS]

00:42:58   this story's not gaining a huge amount [TS]

00:43:00   of traction it is a news story and of [TS]

00:43:04   course like that the news is filled with [TS]

00:43:06   anomalous events like that basically [TS]

00:43:08   what the news is a collection of things [TS]

00:43:10   that are unusual but is this gaining [TS]

00:43:13   lots of traction like our people super [TS]

00:43:14   concerned or is this just yet another in [TS]

00:43:17   the endless stream of news stories that [TS]

00:43:19   just washes by that nobody really cares [TS]

00:43:21   about two weeks later it happened a good [TS]

00:43:23   time for Tesla because there's so many [TS]

00:43:25   other massive things happening in the [TS]

00:43:27   world of the moment that in the fight [TS]

00:43:29   first news time and coverage it probably [TS]

00:43:31   didn't get as much as it could have a [TS]

00:43:33   fair bit of a break like you know and [TS]

00:43:35   it's still coming up and still being [TS]

00:43:37   brought up in articles and i'm still [TS]

00:43:38   seeing around the place like when you [TS]

00:43:40   say it's a battle for hearts and minds [TS]

00:43:41   I'm not even convinced that that's the [TS]

00:43:43   case I feel like there has been a real [TS]

00:43:45   silent shift in people's thoughts on [TS]

00:43:49   self-driving cars i have a feeling that [TS]

00:43:52   much much more of the population feels [TS]

00:43:55   that [TS]

00:43:55   oh this is just a thing that's coming [TS]

00:43:56   and I don't bet that this is going to be [TS]

00:43:59   like a a big story that causes problems [TS]

00:44:01   for Tesla in the long run i have a hard [TS]

00:44:05   time imagining that's going to be the [TS]

00:44:06   case I think you're I think the only [TS]

00:44:08   thing that's gonna hurt [TS]

00:44:09   tesslar and the other people advocating [TS]

00:44:12   self-driving cars will pay a spite or [TS]

00:44:15   like some kind of glitch where three or [TS]

00:44:18   four happen in the same way so i think [TS]

00:44:20   you're right i think the one-off hasn't [TS]

00:44:22   hurt him really badly and I want to get [TS]

00:44:24   her if there's some systemic problem is [TS]

00:44:27   there anything you didn't like about the [TS]

00:44:28   Tesla well it was funny because when i [TS]

00:44:30   was sitting in the car and we're driving [TS]

00:44:33   along the road [TS]

00:44:34   I'm thinking wow everything in this test [TS]

00:44:35   seems amazing like I love this future [TS]

00:44:37   space car i wish i could have any reason [TS]

00:44:40   to buy one right there like no real [TS]

00:44:42   always I could have reason to buy 1i [TS]

00:44:44   asked Marco the same question I said is [TS]

00:44:47   there anything about this car that you [TS]

00:44:49   don't like and he had a couple of minor [TS]

00:44:53   just likes about it but overall he [TS]

00:44:57   seemed really really happy with the car [TS]

00:44:59   as well and so I feel like I had nothing [TS]

00:45:02   in particular to say like oh I didn't [TS]

00:45:03   like this about the car struck me as [TS]

00:45:05   totally wrong and the owner of the car [TS]

00:45:07   had a few complaints but nothing I can [TS]

00:45:09   even remember at this at this later [TS]

00:45:11   point of being like oh wow that's a [TS]

00:45:13   really good point like that that is that [TS]

00:45:15   is a really annoying feature that I [TS]

00:45:16   wouldn't have thought about it wouldn't [TS]

00:45:17   have realized until I own it is like [TS]

00:45:19   nope everything about this car seems [TS]

00:45:21   amazing so two thumbs up for Tesla this [TS]

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00:47:16   from us you do some corners i see we [TS]

00:47:20   have a paper cut corner here [TS]

00:47:22   oh yeah Brady's paper cup there's a lot [TS]

00:47:26   of sport going on in the world [TS]

00:47:27   environment gray oh boy there always [TS]

00:47:30   seems to be an idea isn't there always [TS]

00:47:32   sports there should always be sport [TS]

00:47:34   because people love sporting events so [TS]

00:47:37   there should always be sporting events [TS]

00:47:38   going on right yeah but we've been [TS]

00:47:40   there's been a rich vein just lightly [TS]

00:47:42   okay anyway anyway likes always up there [TS]

00:47:45   so everyone saying to me [TS]

00:47:47   arto gray about Iceland the euros or [TS]

00:47:49   whales at the euros or tell them about [TS]

00:47:51   this or tell him about that and there's [TS]

00:47:54   no point doing that now that i'm not [TS]

00:47:56   going to do that I don't think you are a [TS]

00:47:59   few nations that have had unexpected [TS]

00:48:02   success in the euros does not compare [TS]

00:48:04   into my mind with the amazing story that [TS]

00:48:06   is Leicester City just cause I brought [TS]

00:48:08   up that list a city story i'm not going [TS]

00:48:09   to bring up every underdog story that [TS]

00:48:11   happens in sport on the podcast because [TS]

00:48:13   gray will probably stop being my friend [TS]

00:48:15   yeah very likely imagine i have just as [TS]

00:48:19   much patience for this stuff as your [TS]

00:48:20   wife would get some somewhat but not an [TS]

00:48:25   infinite well ok it's so all the sport [TS]

00:48:29   i've been watching lately in the media [TS]

00:48:30   coverage lately has brought up two [TS]

00:48:32   things there's two things I've noticed [TS]

00:48:34   that get [TS]

00:48:35   I go to annoy me ok so i thought i'd [TS]

00:48:38   bring them up one is when it's [TS]

00:48:42   commentators and pundits and people [TS]

00:48:44   telling the story of sport talk about [TS]

00:48:47   getting revenge for banishing memories [TS]

00:48:50   and I think there's a real inequality in [TS]

00:48:52   it that shows how much they live in the [TS]

00:48:54   moment let me give you an example say [TS]

00:48:57   two teams play in the world cup final [TS]

00:48:59   against a liberia plays China the world [TS]

00:49:03   cup final ok right and left it at ya and [TS]

00:49:06   Liberia win right the next time those [TS]

00:49:09   two countries made and it could be in a [TS]

00:49:11   lesser tournament and it could be like [TS]

00:49:13   in the quarterfinals and this time China [TS]

00:49:17   win commentators always say they got [TS]

00:49:20   their revenge they banish the memories [TS]

00:49:22   of that world cup loss and they finally [TS]

00:49:24   got their revenge on liberia by beating [TS]

00:49:27   them there is not revenge [TS]

00:49:30   the only way you can get like total [TS]

00:49:33   revenge for a sporting loss is to have [TS]

00:49:38   an equivalent game like another world [TS]

00:49:40   cup final and this time win that's the [TS]

00:49:43   only way you can erase the memory or get [TS]

00:49:45   them back or square the ledger but [TS]

00:49:48   because sports people always want to [TS]

00:49:49   hype up the current game by the way say [TS]

00:49:52   this game is a chance to get revenge for [TS]

00:49:54   that previous game it is not revenge if [TS]

00:49:57   it is not the same tournament at the [TS]

00:50:00   same level meeting someone in a [TS]

00:50:02   quarterfinal four years after you lost [TS]

00:50:05   in the final that's not revenge and [TS]

00:50:09   noise me I thought you were going to say [TS]

00:50:11   the only way for China to get revenge in [TS]

00:50:14   this scenario would be to take over an [TS]

00:50:16   axe liberia clothes and let me tell you [TS]

00:50:20   what revenge is revenge is wiping [TS]

00:50:22   liberia off the face of the earth right [TS]

00:50:25   does does taking turns winning a game [TS]

00:50:27   you're playing with each other [TS]

00:50:29   is there any way that they can even [TS]

00:50:30   remotely count as revenge [TS]

00:50:32   no it cannot know what I mean that's [TS]

00:50:35   there that would be guide the other way [TS]

00:50:37   I think the whole premise of of even [TS]

00:50:39   revenge in a sporting event doesn't make [TS]

00:50:41   any sense even if the games are [TS]

00:50:43   equivalent it still doesn't make any [TS]

00:50:45   sense at all like you're playing a game [TS]

00:50:47   with each other and [TS]

00:50:48   11 and then someone else one as will [TS]

00:50:51   inevitably happen [TS]

00:50:53   revenge is something that you plot [TS]

00:50:55   stealthily for four years and like you [TS]

00:50:57   spring upon your opponent when they have [TS]

00:50:59   no idea what's going to happen as [TS]

00:51:01   opposed to a thing that takes place [TS]

00:51:03   within a rigid and ordered system that [TS]

00:51:06   has rules that we all agree on [TS]

00:51:08   I don't think the concept of revenge [TS]

00:51:10   makes any sense in this whole arena [TS]

00:51:13   well okay maybe you don't like the word [TS]

00:51:14   revenge but there's just there's this [TS]

00:51:16   whole thing about squaring the ledger [TS]

00:51:18   you know getting them back for the [TS]

00:51:19   defeat and say you defeat us in this [TS]

00:51:22   game now we defeated you everything even [TS]

00:51:24   my say everything is not even if the [TS]

00:51:27   game is not the same importance but [TS]

00:51:29   commentators don't seem to realize that [TS]

00:51:31   they want to hype up the game they're [TS]

00:51:32   talking about i'm sure they totally do [TS]

00:51:34   realize it but they're doing what you [TS]

00:51:36   did precisely what you're saying they're [TS]

00:51:37   just trying to hype it up it's just like [TS]

00:51:39   the news Brady right they know a lot of [TS]

00:51:41   the stuff that they're talking about is [TS]

00:51:42   dumb and won't matter in a week what [TS]

00:51:44   they want to hype it up so that it feels [TS]

00:51:45   like it's really important right now [TS]

00:51:47   don't you agree with that analogy is a [TS]

00:51:49   bit of that moving right along and the [TS]

00:51:52   other thing that's really getting on my [TS]

00:51:54   nerves at the moment in especially in [TS]

00:51:56   the world of sport but i know it [TS]

00:51:57   pervades all media is this thing [TS]

00:52:00   everyone does where they use three words [TS]

00:52:04   and they punctuate it is a lot of sport [TS]

00:52:07   my twitter feed and say someone scores a [TS]

00:52:09   goal in a game sports ball will be this [TS]

00:52:12   tweet from some supposedly reputable [TS]

00:52:14   organization usually the BBC suddenly [TS]

00:52:17   writing like some tane vlogger and they [TS]

00:52:20   will say what I go all capitalized which [TS]

00:52:25   I hate because that's like the internet [TS]

00:52:27   equivalent of shouting and the only a [TS]

00:52:28   full stop after every word 14 stop a [TS]

00:52:33   full stop and go our man that knows me [TS]

00:52:37   it & noise that may apparently there are [TS]

00:52:42   there are forums and things dedicated to [TS]

00:52:44   people who hate this but this is this is [TS]

00:52:46   really getting me at the moment do you [TS]

00:52:47   are you familiar with this it's becoming [TS]

00:52:50   give a me thing to do isn't it to sort [TS]

00:52:51   of have these three punctuated words to [TS]

00:52:54   add emphasis this is just people trying [TS]

00:52:56   to communicate on the Internet with the [TS]

00:52:58   limited bandwidth that you have for [TS]

00:53:00   twitter i have not seen [TS]

00:53:02   it's in particular maybe this is a a [TS]

00:53:04   sporting thing that will eventually [TS]

00:53:06   bleed over into my internet as well it [TS]

00:53:09   happens in politics as well a bit i [TS]

00:53:11   think and sports and politics the two [TS]

00:53:13   things i followed so closely so no i [TS]

00:53:15   have not seen these on my twitter [TS]

00:53:16   timeline when this episode comes out I'm [TS]

00:53:19   going to tweet brand full stop new [TS]

00:53:21   all-star episode perfect hashtag hello [TS]

00:53:25   internet right and you know what let's [TS]

00:53:28   see if just like click reading headlines [TS]

00:53:30   are you we get tremendous traffic from [TS]

00:53:32   that we try to get sweet retweet it all [TS]

00:53:34   over the place people go nuts for it [TS]

00:53:36   right because that's that's probably why [TS]

00:53:37   people are doing this that people like [TS]

00:53:39   it [TS]

00:53:39   alright everyone go ahead send me your [TS]

00:53:41   three-word tweets and i'll block you [TS]

00:53:48   tell you what what are we going to keep [TS]

00:53:52   classical on here great you gonna let me [TS]

00:53:53   keep going as always I feel like the [TS]

00:53:56   first half three-quarters eighty percent [TS]

00:53:58   of the show is always somehow like out [TS]

00:54:00   of my control [TS]

00:54:01   yeah and then i'll let you drown on for [TS]

00:54:03   20 minutes at the end what I have a [TS]

00:54:04   little nap exactly like it one little go [TS]

00:54:06   on is like no Brady just throwing out [TS]

00:54:08   topics are hosted let's do that like [TS]

00:54:10   this ok go with this [TS]

00:54:11   maybe we'll cut that mean we won't who [TS]

00:54:13   knows right just go go you stop with the [TS]

00:54:15   little one with you're like ooh can I [TS]

00:54:16   try this is like whatever man I with [TS]

00:54:18   this stage you're just gonna go with it [TS]

00:54:20   so what do you want to do next in our [TS]

00:54:23   classic episodes [TS]

00:54:25   what do you think is going to happen [TS]

00:54:25   next well you know what the most [TS]

00:54:27   requested corners of Oh even you must [TS]

00:54:30   know this plane crash corner [TS]

00:54:33   you said it all right is there a plane [TS]

00:54:37   crash that you want to talk about i do [TS]

00:54:40   want to talk about a plane crash but [TS]

00:54:41   first of all I want to tell you that I [TS]

00:54:43   flew for the first time by the way I [TS]

00:54:46   haven't said but I'm in San Francisco [TS]

00:54:48   Department and you're back in England [TS]

00:54:50   yeah like it's like we're alternating [TS]

00:54:51   between episodes we essentially past [TS]

00:54:54   each other like ships in the night one [TS]

00:54:56   going to and one coming from California [TS]

00:54:58   so yeah we already did we are now in the [TS]

00:55:00   opposite positions again recording with [TS]

00:55:04   of course California's fantastic time [TS]

00:55:07   zone shift which makes everything super [TS]

00:55:08   convenient but I flew in the and I think [TS]

00:55:13   it must have been the first time I fly [TS]

00:55:14   in one in [TS]

00:55:15   the 787 boeing 787 dreamliner oh the the [TS]

00:55:21   Tesla of the skies maybe and maybe I'm [TS]

00:55:25   overstating the case of it there but it [TS]

00:55:27   is super high-tech I don't have been on [TS]

00:55:29   one but the thing that blew my mind was [TS]

00:55:31   the windows in this plane [TS]

00:55:33   are you familiar with the windows in the [TS]

00:55:35   Dreamliner I've heard of this plane i [TS]

00:55:37   have never been in one I've never really [TS]

00:55:39   looked it up I'm just pulling up some [TS]

00:55:40   pictures now but what's up with the [TS]

00:55:41   windows because from the outside at [TS]

00:55:43   least they look like normal windows [TS]

00:55:45   yeah they're a little bit bigger than [TS]

00:55:46   normal but also they have in them [TS]

00:55:50   this electric gel so there's no shutter [TS]

00:55:53   that you pull up and down is just [TS]

00:55:54   buttons underneath and you press buttons [TS]

00:55:57   and it tense the window to different [TS]

00:56:00   levels depending on your setting and [TS]

00:56:02   also it puts this strange Hugh in the [TS]

00:56:04   windows so if you're flying in the [TS]

00:56:06   middle of the day I happened to fly in [TS]

00:56:08   the middle of the day from England to [TS]

00:56:09   California which can be quite [TS]

00:56:11   disorienting and not that good for your [TS]

00:56:14   body but it cast this like a bluish hue [TS]

00:56:17   across the windows for most of the [TS]

00:56:19   flight so kind of like night outside [TS]

00:56:21   like the Sun that like the moon and all [TS]

00:56:24   the landscape had this blue he look to [TS]

00:56:26   it like it was nighttime and I felt like [TS]

00:56:27   it was night it was amazing [TS]

00:56:30   so you could still look out the window [TS]

00:56:31   and see like the terrain below but you [TS]

00:56:33   felt like you were looking over the us [TS]

00:56:35   at night and then if you went and found [TS]

00:56:37   a window that didn't have this on it was [TS]

00:56:39   like broad daylight so it was really [TS]

00:56:41   cool it was a really nice gimmick we [TS]

00:56:43   could individual people turn on and off [TS]

00:56:46   the blue fact is that something that was [TS]

00:56:47   under your control as the window-seat [TS]

00:56:49   person i'm not entirely sure but the [TS]

00:56:52   impression I had was you could control [TS]

00:56:54   yourself at certain times and at other [TS]

00:56:56   times I think they took control of it so [TS]

00:56:59   that you couldn't have one idiot [TS]

00:57:00   streaming the cabin with bright light [TS]

00:57:03   while everyone else was trying to sleep [TS]

00:57:04   on my flight to America I was the 180 [TS]

00:57:06   where the window over didn't realize [TS]

00:57:10   that the flight attendant came over and [TS]

00:57:11   gave me a hard starting to look like a [TS]

00:57:14   sir everybody else in this cabin is [TS]

00:57:15   asleep watching closure window goes [TS]

00:57:17   sorry I'm trying to work anyway that's [TS]

00:57:19   not my plane crash thank goodness [TS]

00:57:21   because i was on that line right right [TS]

00:57:22   about us [TS]

00:57:23   let me give you a plane crash corner and [TS]

00:57:25   this is something that made the news a [TS]

00:57:27   little while ago now [TS]

00:57:28   and I didn't bring it up because we [TS]

00:57:31   haven't done a podcast was so long and [TS]

00:57:32   we talked about lots of other stuff but [TS]

00:57:34   this caught my attention because also [TS]

00:57:36   has told me something about myself which [TS]

00:57:38   I want to ask you about the end [TS]

00:57:39   first of all let me tell you the story [TS]

00:57:40   you like this because it's got an [TS]

00:57:43   obscure pompous name i want to tell you [TS]

00:57:45   about operation an upper part of our I'm [TS]

00:57:50   sure my pronunciation is incorrect [TS]

00:57:51   because this is an Incan God of [TS]

00:57:53   knowledge and basically to start from [TS]

00:57:56   the beginning there was a flight on [TS]

00:57:58   january the first in 1985 Eastern flight [TS]

00:58:02   980 and this was a flight that was going [TS]

00:58:05   from Paraguay to miami and i was going [TS]

00:58:07   to stop in a couple of other places on [TS]

00:58:09   the way this is in 1985 1985 okay I [TS]

00:58:12   trust me trust me gray okay we're [TS]

00:58:14   getting there are going there [TS]

00:58:15   alright take my stick with me through [TS]

00:58:17   this journey there hold my hair it will [TS]

00:58:19   all make sense at the end [TS]

00:58:20   ok this plane with 29 people on it i [TS]

00:58:25   think it was 19 passengers and 10 crew [TS]

00:58:27   which is quite high ratio of crude [TS]

00:58:29   passengers actually suffered what is [TS]

00:58:31   called a safe it crash [TS]

00:58:33   this is a controlled flight into terrain [TS]

00:58:35   which i think is a lovely way of saying [TS]

00:58:38   it flew into a mountain [TS]

00:58:40   ok and it flew into this mountain called [TS]

00:58:44   Mount allamani in Bolivia and it hit the [TS]

00:58:47   mountain at a height of about 6,000 [TS]

00:58:49   meters and I think to this day [TS]

00:58:51   that's the highest ever see if it [TS]

00:58:52   crashed has been ok the highest [TS]

00:58:54   appliance ever been when it flew into a [TS]

00:58:55   mountain everyone died so this is [TS]

00:59:01   obviously quite hard spot to get to but [TS]

00:59:02   they did send investigators and a little [TS]

00:59:04   piece of side trivia here that the lead [TS]

00:59:06   investigator they sent was a guy called [TS]

00:59:08   Greg Feith or five and anyone who [TS]

00:59:12   watches air crash investigation my [TS]

00:59:13   favorite TV show will know this guy [TS]

00:59:15   because this is like the talking head [TS]

00:59:17   that they bring in to talk about every [TS]

00:59:19   plane crashes like the dialer quote sort [TS]

00:59:21   of guy who is quite a well-known crash [TS]

00:59:23   investigators that he was cold in they [TS]

00:59:25   went up the mountain is covered in snow [TS]

00:59:27   the debris was all over the place it was [TS]

00:59:30   like a huge crash site [TS]

00:59:32   everything was smashed to smithereens AC [TS]

00:59:34   they couldn't find anything particularly [TS]

00:59:36   useful and they left 1985 they didn't [TS]

00:59:40   find the flight recorders [TS]

00:59:41   right okay why at this mountain in 2006 [TS]

00:59:46   some of the wreckage started revealing [TS]

00:59:49   itself because snow was melting in those [TS]

00:59:51   glasses and rocks and stuff moving [TS]

00:59:52   around some of the wreckage started [TS]

00:59:54   revealing itself again now what happened [TS]

00:59:57   was there were these two guys cool down [TS]

00:59:59   and eyes [TS]

00:59:59   and eyes [TS]

01:00:00   that I think they're from what Boston or [TS]

01:00:01   messages somewhere and they read about [TS]

01:00:05   this and they sound like my kind of guys [TS]

01:00:07   because they're interested in plane [TS]

01:00:10   crashes and they're interested in [TS]

01:00:11   mountains and they saw that the flight [TS]

01:00:14   recorders had never been found and they [TS]

01:00:17   looked at other crashes where flight [TS]

01:00:18   recorders haven't been found in this is [TS]

01:00:20   quite a few of them most of them a deep [TS]

01:00:22   underwater but this one obviously isn't [TS]

01:00:24   this one's on land so this year just [TS]

01:00:27   recently they decided to go on like an [TS]

01:00:30   adventure holiday to this mountain to [TS]

01:00:33   try and find the crash site and try and [TS]

01:00:36   find the flight recorders from this 1985 [TS]

01:00:39   crash I can't believe you haven't [TS]

01:00:42   combined your interests of mountains and [TS]

01:00:45   plane crashing to do this exact same [TS]

01:00:47   adventure but that's what I'm talking [TS]

01:00:49   about [TS]

01:00:50   I'm I I can't believe I didn't think of [TS]

01:00:52   it so i said these dudes are legends so [TS]

01:00:56   they've gone to this mountain in bolivia [TS]

01:00:59   in a place that sounds like it's not [TS]

01:01:01   without challenges various sorts and and [TS]

01:01:04   I've got a few people to help them [TS]

01:01:06   they've gone up this mountain they found [TS]

01:01:09   this crash site and they're all the rock [TS]

01:01:11   and the crevices and everything and have [TS]

01:01:12   started finding bits of metal and i [TS]

01:01:14   think i spent three or four days there [TS]

01:01:15   and on the final day they've turned over [TS]

01:01:18   a piece of metal which turns out to be [TS]

01:01:21   orange on the other side which is the [TS]

01:01:22   color of black boxes and lonely enough [TS]

01:01:24   as everyone knows black boxes are range [TS]

01:01:26   of course and it's got this cable offers [TS]

01:01:29   saying cvr cockpit voice recorder and [TS]

01:01:32   they find part of the flight recorder [TS]

01:01:34   and I find some magnetic tape as well [TS]

01:01:36   which is probably what was in the [TS]

01:01:37   recorder and some other bits and pieces [TS]

01:01:39   and I doubt they're going to get much [TS]

01:01:41   from it because I happen in 95 but [TS]

01:01:43   they've brought this stuff back in the [TS]

01:01:45   hope of maybe finding out more about [TS]

01:01:47   what happened to this crash but i just [TS]

01:01:49   think it's amazing that these two dudes [TS]

01:01:51   who are like just dudes have said and [TS]

01:01:54   let's go to wear that crash up enough [TS]

01:01:55   that mountain in Bolivia and see if we [TS]

01:01:57   can find the flight recorder that all [TS]

01:01:58   the investigators didn't find and they [TS]

01:02:00   go there and they find out that is great [TS]

01:02:05   i love it when people just do a thing [TS]

01:02:07   it's not say the intersection of these [TS]

01:02:10   interests it's amazing to me that that [TS]

01:02:11   you have [TS]

01:02:12   not considered doing this before but i [TS]

01:02:15   think there is a market in going to [TS]

01:02:19   famous plane crash sites i mean there is [TS]

01:02:22   i know for I know for effective one [TS]

01:02:24   famous plane crash I also in South [TS]

01:02:25   America that people do too is to this is [TS]

01:02:28   the one where the plane crash happened [TS]

01:02:29   from the film alive whether people spent [TS]

01:02:32   months and months with their wreckage in [TS]

01:02:34   the mountains and they ended up eating [TS]

01:02:36   the dead bodies of people who died in [TS]

01:02:37   the crash to stay alive and then I got [TS]

01:02:39   rescued as you always time later you [TS]

01:02:41   familiar with the scratcher yeah I think [TS]

01:02:42   I saw the movie alive [TS]

01:02:44   yeah as I really famous and people do go [TS]

01:02:46   on tourist trips to the site where that [TS]

01:02:48   happened but really they don't yeah you [TS]

01:02:52   can I was that was looking at the [TS]

01:02:54   internet looking at the prices are you [TS]

01:02:56   ready because it because it's in the [TS]

01:02:59   mountains as well you know i love [TS]

01:03:00   mountains so it's you know it's got [TS]

01:03:02   everything got mountains it's got drama [TS]

01:03:05   and it has everything I think the dream [TS]

01:03:08   want to go to for me if they mount [TS]

01:03:10   erebus in Antarctica where a plane [TS]

01:03:14   famously crashed because they're you're [TS]

01:03:16   going up a mountain [TS]

01:03:17   you've got a plane crash site and it's [TS]

01:03:20   Antarctica i don't know i don't even go [TS]

01:03:22   there [TS]

01:03:23   so what's gonna happen here Brady I mean [TS]

01:03:24   I are you are you trying to tell me [TS]

01:03:25   slowly and gently that you're going to [TS]

01:03:27   incorporate a mountaineering stroke [TS]

01:03:30   plane crash cornering tourists [TS]

01:03:33   businesslike is to have put your next [TS]

01:03:34   venture is going to be that started it [TS]

01:03:37   sounds like that's what you're working [TS]

01:03:38   toward like I'm not working towards it [TS]

01:03:41   the thing I wanted to bring up the [TS]

01:03:43   reason i found this interesting was when [TS]

01:03:45   i first heard about this I had a bit of [TS]

01:03:48   a reluctance to read about it because [TS]

01:03:50   they had a blog and stuff like that and [TS]

01:03:51   i think that with the journalist so [TS]

01:03:53   there's obviously more stuff to come but [TS]

01:03:54   I was initially a little bit reluctant [TS]

01:03:56   to read about it and this is a feeling i [TS]

01:03:59   often have that I want to see if it's [TS]

01:04:01   just may with other people have this but [TS]

01:04:03   I sometimes don't enjoy reading or [TS]

01:04:07   watching about other people's cool [TS]

01:04:09   adventures because i think well that's [TS]

01:04:12   their cool adventure and I'm not having [TS]

01:04:14   that so why do I want to watch them [TS]

01:04:17   doing something awesome i want to do [TS]

01:04:19   something awesome and my wife doesn't [TS]

01:04:21   understand this like quite often she now [TS]

01:04:23   understands that because it's what I'm [TS]

01:04:25   like but freaks [TS]

01:04:25   apple if there's a documentary like [TS]

01:04:27   Michael Palin goes and does a great [TS]

01:04:30   travel show through the Himalayas she's [TS]

01:04:32   like let's watch that would be so [TS]

01:04:34   inspirational and you'll see so much [TS]

01:04:35   amazing stuff and and I'm like I don't [TS]

01:04:37   want to go and watch Michael Palin have [TS]

01:04:39   a cool adventure in the Himalayas not [TS]

01:04:41   good for him [TS]

01:04:42   I'm you know that's that's him having an [TS]

01:04:44   awesome time that's not me having an [TS]

01:04:46   awesome time so I really very often [TS]

01:04:49   don't like watching travel shows because [TS]

01:04:51   i feel like i just want to watch someone [TS]

01:04:54   else doing something cool i'd rather [TS]

01:04:56   spend my time doing something called [TS]

01:04:57   myself is that weird [TS]

01:05:00   I i'm not going to say it's weird [TS]

01:05:03   because I'm talking to you like I think [TS]

01:05:07   I can understand why you wouldn't want [TS]

01:05:10   to do that but I i can say that it's [TS]

01:05:14   abnormal there's no way that it's not [TS]

01:05:18   abnormal [TS]

01:05:19   yeah i guess because those television is [TS]

01:05:21   so popular so obviously lots of people [TS]

01:05:22   right because the exactly most people [TS]

01:05:24   want to watch those kinds of things they [TS]

01:05:25   want to sit in the comfort of their own [TS]

01:05:27   home and watch somebody else have an [TS]

01:05:29   adventure isn't that exciting to see [TS]

01:05:31   somebody else do this thing is it [TS]

01:05:32   entertaining to see somebody else go on [TS]

01:05:34   an adventure [TS]

01:05:34   I definitely not unless it's something i [TS]

01:05:36   can't do you like go to the moon right [TS]

01:05:38   but that is not my attitude so when I [TS]

01:05:40   first heard about this operation thought [TS]

01:05:42   up with dan and I zeg my first instinct [TS]

01:05:45   was what I don't want to see that [TS]

01:05:46   because they just having the coolest [TS]

01:05:47   adventure and I could have done that and [TS]

01:05:49   now i'm going to be thinking why i doing [TS]

01:05:51   that but this was just too cool that I [TS]

01:05:54   had to look and these guys are clearly [TS]

01:05:55   legends for doing this [TS]

01:05:57   so that's a cool story they've got a [TS]

01:05:59   blog and read about it i've done a cool [TS]

01:06:01   thing playing Crash mountains living the [TS]

01:06:04   dream [TS]

01:06:04   if you did a TV adventure like some TV [TS]

01:06:08   station contact you and i we're gonna [TS]

01:06:11   hook you up with a traveling the world [TS]

01:06:13   amazing adventure thing we're going to [TS]

01:06:14   film and we're going to make a [TS]

01:06:15   documentary about it right after it was [TS]

01:06:18   done and over [TS]

01:06:19   would you want to watch your own [TS]

01:06:22   adventure on TV [TS]

01:06:23   yeah okay watching that because that's [TS]

01:06:25   like my holiday photos okay yeah okay so [TS]

01:06:30   that's what it is [TS]

01:06:31   so you wouldn't feel like I don't want [TS]

01:06:33   to watch me having an adventure i [TS]

01:06:34   already had that adventure I want to go [TS]

01:06:36   on the next [TS]

01:06:37   I don't know that's not that i did a [TS]

01:06:38   video when i went to every space camp [TS]

01:06:40   where a boiled water all these different [TS]

01:06:41   attitudes a video of yours I love by the [TS]

01:06:44   way I'm gonna put that in the show notes [TS]

01:06:45   I I think there's something fantastic [TS]

01:06:48   and beautiful about that video it's one [TS]

01:06:51   of my favorite things that you've ever [TS]

01:06:52   done is that video thank you that's [TS]

01:06:54   really kind and and I don't watch my [TS]

01:06:56   videos back very often but there is one [TS]

01:06:58   of my videos that maybe once every six [TS]

01:07:00   months or I will watch again and enjoy [TS]

01:07:03   it just as as watching it but i don't [TS]

01:07:06   think i would enjoy watching someone [TS]

01:07:07   else do it [TS]

01:07:08   well maybe maybe i would enjoy someone [TS]

01:07:10   else doing that because I've been there [TS]

01:07:11   but I find it hard to watch other people [TS]

01:07:14   having really amazing adventures I'm [TS]

01:07:16   happy for them [TS]

01:07:17   I don't not want them to have a good [TS]

01:07:19   time and have those adventures I think [TS]

01:07:20   it's brilliant but it's just like [TS]

01:07:22   watching it just frustrates me I'm not [TS]

01:07:24   our that's something I should be doing [TS]

01:07:26   that looks awesome [TS]

01:07:27   so for clarity's sake it's not any kind [TS]

01:07:29   of envy for you you don't envy them [TS]

01:07:32   their experience you just feel like you [TS]

01:07:35   should be having the adventure I think I [TS]

01:07:36   kind of do in Viet em but I don't [TS]

01:07:38   begrudge them at like I don't like that [TS]

01:07:40   but I'm not upset that they're having [TS]

01:07:42   i'm happy that they're having it but i [TS]

01:07:44   guess it only applies to things i could [TS]

01:07:45   conceivably do like for example I don't [TS]

01:07:48   mind watching Andy Mary win Wimbledon [TS]

01:07:50   lift the trophy I'm not thinking damn my [TS]

01:07:52   darling remember what happened like [TS]

01:07:54   because I get that I can't win bored so [TS]

01:07:56   i watch that right there i was there [TS]

01:07:57   trying to close in on like what are the [TS]

01:07:59   edges of this thing and it's a fiction [TS]

01:08:02   doesn't seem to be like you're fine with [TS]

01:08:03   watching fiction because it's not real [TS]

01:08:05   and you don't you like I should be [TS]

01:08:07   saving middle-earth I think that you can [TS]

01:08:09   do about it [TS]

01:08:10   Nona I don't know exactly what it means [TS]

01:08:13   that's why bring it up [TS]

01:08:13   I don't completely understand well [TS]

01:08:15   obviously it means that you must be [TS]

01:08:16   having adventures all the time if this [TS]

01:08:18   is the way you feel about it [TS]

01:08:19   of course yeah i mean i should i'd love [TS]

01:08:21   to have obviously i'm not most of the [TS]

01:08:24   time i'm sitting around editing videos [TS]

01:08:26   and donuts but I find that not an [TS]

01:08:31   enjoyable use of my time watching other [TS]

01:08:33   people have not holidays the holidays [TS]

01:08:38   for her because I wouldn't enjoy [TS]

01:08:40   watching other people have nice probably [TS]

01:08:43   is either that sounds like terribly [TS]

01:08:45   boring television [TS]

01:08:46   and also it's like a totally different [TS]

01:08:48   kind of thing [TS]

01:08:50   yeah whereas i'll happily watch somebody [TS]

01:08:53   have an adventure i'll happily watch all [TS]

01:08:56   of that's survival shows where people [TS]

01:08:58   slowly starved to death over the space [TS]

01:09:00   of a month like great i'll turn that on [TS]

01:09:03   for entertainment any day of the week [TS]

01:09:04   but someone having a holiday know that [TS]

01:09:05   sounds terribly boring I mean I love a [TS]

01:09:07   good documentary about someone like [TS]

01:09:08   climbing a mountain like proper [TS]

01:09:10   mountaineering like you know something [TS]

01:09:12   happening on k2 and stuff like that but [TS]

01:09:14   how is that different than watching a [TS]

01:09:15   documentary because i can't do that [TS]

01:09:17   ok so i can't do that you can climb k2 [TS]

01:09:19   differently not okay i don't have ever [TS]

01:09:24   said before but the summit on netflix [TS]

01:09:27   about people climbing k2 is the best [TS]

01:09:29   mountain documentary I've ever watched [TS]

01:09:31   you should watch that gray it's the best [TS]

01:09:33   one if I could only watch one as you [TS]

01:09:35   watch that one if you only watch one [TS]

01:09:36   mountain thing ever watch the summit is [TS]

01:09:39   on netflix make it really good [TS]

01:09:41   watch it man what you you watch it will [TS]

01:09:43   talk about okay all right note made I've [TS]

01:09:45   watched it three or four times but i'm [TS]

01:09:48   not watching Michael Palin drinking tea [TS]

01:09:50   and having a nice time with people as he [TS]

01:09:52   walks through the Himalayas one other [TS]

01:09:55   thing if there was like we have to do in [TS]

01:09:57   a classic classic episode huh is well [TS]

01:10:01   you call the bi-weekly way in about the [TS]

01:10:05   heads [TS]

01:10:06   this is what you wanted to do it's more [TS]

01:10:09   of a health plan i don't want to do this [TS]

01:10:11   but that's how a classic episode if we [TS]

01:10:13   do if we don't do that healthgrades [TS]

01:10:15   health corner where he smugly tells me [TS]

01:10:17   how awesome he is now how i'm still [TS]

01:10:18   super unfit is that how this works is [TS]

01:10:21   that others ever worked with that your [TS]

01:10:24   personal resentment or maybe it's like [TS]

01:10:28   watching a documentary I don't know what [TS]

01:10:29   your documentary about how great [TS]

01:10:30   becoming really healthy [TS]

01:10:32   okay i love this [TS]

01:10:36   you don't want to do it the trying to [TS]

01:10:38   make me look bad which is still gonna [TS]

01:10:40   bring it up as a corner [TS]

01:10:42   ok so sure sure what do you want to talk [TS]

01:10:44   about in the hello Internet semi-random [TS]

01:10:47   sometimes we talk about health of [TS]

01:10:49   Brady's in the mood or we're doing a [TS]

01:10:50   classic episode corner but say the thing [TS]

01:10:55   i'm wondering i guess is you know you [TS]

01:10:56   reach to target white and everything was [TS]

01:10:58   good and you did a great job [TS]

01:11:00   haha like what have you done since have [TS]

01:11:02   you like kept like the same regime or [TS]

01:11:05   was your age I am able to now change to [TS]

01:11:06   keep a steady weight or did you wait go [TS]

01:11:08   up like since you can't have hit your [TS]

01:11:10   target and everything was good [TS]

01:11:13   what's been your course of action sense [TS]

01:11:15   i mean it's interesting because I just [TS]

01:11:17   came back from spending a month in [TS]

01:11:19   America ok [TS]

01:11:21   flatland overhead yeah that'd land us a [TS]

01:11:24   population large right just so difficult [TS]

01:11:27   here [TS]

01:11:28   it simply never liked everything [TS]

01:11:30   everything in America is incredibly [TS]

01:11:33   delicious and and so good and all i can [TS]

01:11:36   say is when I go to America thing i [TS]

01:11:38   always think of now is thank God at [TS]

01:11:39   least i'm not in the south which is like [TS]

01:11:42   America's America or anywhere for [TS]

01:11:44   everything is just amplified again with [TS]

01:11:47   deliciousness that was like ok at least [TS]

01:11:49   i'm just in California and only have to [TS]

01:11:52   deal with that level of how good all of [TS]

01:11:54   the food is before you tell me about [TS]

01:11:56   what's happened since she came back from [TS]

01:11:57   America [TS]

01:11:58   I mean I have in California and I'm in [TS]

01:11:59   Berkeley which is like you know trendy [TS]

01:12:01   healthy place to do but even here it's [TS]

01:12:03   difficult I was in safeway last night [TS]

01:12:05   and I just fancied some cookies so I [TS]

01:12:08   went to the cookies section and I just [TS]

01:12:10   wanted a few cookies and I went to build [TS]

01:12:12   this huge table where they said all the [TS]

01:12:14   cookies i could not find a box of [TS]

01:12:17   cookies that they were selling that had [TS]

01:12:19   less than 30 cookies in a baby it wasn't [TS]

01:12:22   an option [TS]

01:12:23   I just like I just want to buy like two [TS]

01:12:24   or three of those cookies but you [TS]

01:12:26   couldn't you could only buy these huge [TS]

01:12:28   huge clear boxes full of cookies and [TS]

01:12:31   then i went there is this pizza place [TS]

01:12:33   right near where I'm staying called [TS]

01:12:35   cheese board which is really famous [TS]

01:12:36   that's really nice pizza and I went [TS]

01:12:39   there the other night and I was lining [TS]

01:12:41   up in the queue because it's always a [TS]

01:12:43   huge queue for the pizza but it was [TS]

01:12:44   nearly closing time and when I got to [TS]

01:12:46   order my pizza i did the discipline [TS]

01:12:49   thing and i ordered only half a pizza [TS]

01:12:51   because they always throw you a few [TS]

01:12:53   extra pieces beyond what you order [TS]

01:12:55   anyway it's like a tradition [TS]

01:12:57   ok that's interesting that they always [TS]

01:13:00   do it so i knew i was gonna get half a [TS]

01:13:01   pizza plus two or three slices so I said [TS]

01:13:04   can I have half a pizza place and cause [TS]

01:13:06   it was near closing time and they still [TS]

01:13:07   had lots of pieces because they only [TS]

01:13:09   make one flavor pates and they just turn [TS]

01:13:11   them [TS]

01:13:11   and that's just what you have to have [TS]

01:13:12   that day so when I want a half a page so [TS]

01:13:15   they said no problems gave me a whole [TS]

01:13:18   pizza in the Box gave it to me and then [TS]

01:13:21   just as I was about to walk away he went [TS]

01:13:22   to me and said I by the way and he gave [TS]

01:13:24   me a second whole piece here's another [TS]

01:13:26   one what I tried to do the right thing [TS]

01:13:28   and other half a pizza and I walked away [TS]

01:13:31   with two bases and I'm on my own I just [TS]

01:13:36   I was just a lonely guy walking back to [TS]

01:13:38   my head baby with all places people just [TS]

01:13:42   shaking their heads look at me look at [TS]

01:13:45   that date look look at that date to [TS]

01:13:47   paint his body leading to a page is my [TS]

01:13:50   friend definitely need to buy several [TS]

01:13:53   drinks like a six-pack of soda just so [TS]

01:13:55   it looks like you're bringing supplies [TS]

01:13:56   to party [TS]

01:13:57   it's just like oh here's me with my two [TS]

01:14:01   pizzas and my one diet cokes it's really [TS]

01:14:04   clear 1001 right you need camouflage [TS]

01:14:10   drinks to cover that [TS]

01:14:12   yeah just holding your phone to ear even [TS]

01:14:15   though you're not using the same yeah [TS]

01:14:16   I'll be there in a minute guys [TS]

01:14:18   yeah keep the party going yeah so anyway [TS]

01:14:24   you're back from fat laughs yeah but i'm [TS]

01:14:26   laughing as well because it does my [TS]

01:14:27   experience in California and feel like [TS]

01:14:28   nobody handed me two pizzas with a wink [TS]

01:14:30   and a smile but I i did have this [TS]

01:14:33   feeling that I always going to be way [TS]

01:14:34   easier in California at least need to [TS]

01:14:36   eat healthier because they're a bunch of [TS]

01:14:38   hippies [TS]

01:14:39   it's like you know what it's still so [TS]

01:14:40   hard and even the healthy stuff comes an [TS]

01:14:42   enormous portions and when you're [TS]

01:14:45   surrounded by everything else like it do [TS]

01:14:47   i really want to go to like granola bar [TS]

01:14:49   nor do I want to go to ihop like I want [TS]

01:14:52   to go to ihop that's what I wanted to do [TS]

01:14:53   it's just so hard [TS]

01:14:56   ok so the interesting thing here is we [TS]

01:14:59   sort of touched upon a while ago that i [TS]

01:15:02   had been changing some of my morning [TS]

01:15:04   routine with like print and getting [TS]

01:15:06   coffee in the mornings and doing a bunch [TS]

01:15:08   of stuff and over time I eventually kind [TS]

01:15:12   of stumbled upon the realization that [TS]

01:15:15   breakfast is an optional meal if you're [TS]

01:15:20   mentally prepared for that [TS]

01:15:22   which is interesting thing to kind of [TS]

01:15:23   realize in my life that all of my life I [TS]

01:15:27   have always thought if I don't have [TS]

01:15:28   breakfast things will be just absolutely [TS]

01:15:30   terrible but over the past several [TS]

01:15:33   months i have slowly learned that [TS]

01:15:34   breakfast is optional as long as I'm [TS]

01:15:38   psychologically prepared for that fact [TS]

01:15:40   when I get up in the morning that i know [TS]

01:15:42   i'm going to skip breakfast so don't [TS]

01:15:45   even try its stomach and we're going to [TS]

01:15:47   eat later we're going to eat at lunch so [TS]

01:15:49   this is this is a piece of information [TS]

01:15:50   that I kind of discovered about myself [TS]

01:15:52   over time and one of the things that I [TS]

01:15:56   decided when I was going to fat land USA [TS]

01:15:59   was that i was going to intentionally [TS]

01:16:02   skip breakfast in the morning for the [TS]

01:16:06   entire time that I was there because i [TS]

01:16:08   thought at the very least this will be [TS]

01:16:11   some kind of damage minimization process [TS]

01:16:14   because i am a man who loves his [TS]

01:16:18   breakfast and America is a land that [TS]

01:16:20   does breakfast really well and so I [TS]

01:16:23   thought I'm just going to take this out [TS]

01:16:24   as an option to try to reduce calorie [TS]

01:16:28   intake and much to my surprise even [TS]

01:16:32   though I wasn't super great about eating [TS]

01:16:34   stuff in America especially during [TS]

01:16:35   conference time when you keep meeting up [TS]

01:16:37   with people like everywhere you go [TS]

01:16:39   you're meeting someone for a meal and [TS]

01:16:40   you're eating something or I just fine [TS]

01:16:43   when I'm like drained from talking with [TS]

01:16:45   people all the time like I just really [TS]

01:16:47   want to eat something to kind of pick up [TS]

01:16:48   my energy I was kind of crap with the [TS]

01:16:50   food but I think skipping breakfast [TS]

01:16:52   really worked because miracle of [TS]

01:16:54   miracles i came back from America a [TS]

01:16:56   single pound heavier after on earth [TS]

01:16:59   which I felt like was a tremendous [TS]

01:17:01   tremendous victory great you've cracked [TS]

01:17:05   than that my I got to give it to you [TS]

01:17:07   have done [TS]

01:17:08   yeah i mean not to gloat in your face or [TS]

01:17:11   anything but i'm still under 200 pounds [TS]

01:17:14   I'm 199 again like America just nudged [TS]

01:17:17   me ever so slightly over 200 pounds i am [TS]

01:17:20   again back under under 199 so that's [TS]

01:17:23   that's where we are for the bi-weekly [TS]

01:17:25   not bi-weekly at all when living you're [TS]

01:17:28   living the finish on 5,000 dream except [TS]

01:17:31   there's one thing if we're ever going to [TS]

01:17:33   bring back [TS]

01:17:34   the occasional bi-weekly way and [TS]

01:17:37   actually talking about health corner [TS]

01:17:38   which I have let go because as someone [TS]

01:17:41   once told me if you love a biweekly way [TS]

01:17:43   and you have to let it go and if it [TS]

01:17:44   comes back then it was meant to be so [TS]

01:17:46   I'm never gonna push anything but i will [TS]

01:17:49   say the one place that I have [TS]

01:17:50   consistently and frustratingly failed is [TS]

01:17:54   with the running like I have still not [TS]

01:17:58   been able to run a complete 5k without [TS]

01:18:02   doing a significant portion of it [TS]

01:18:05   actually walking and it's weird because [TS]

01:18:08   I haven't given up the running i just i [TS]

01:18:11   i find that I've gone for stretches of [TS]

01:18:14   not doing it and so then I'm not in [TS]

01:18:16   shape to do it and I kind of have to [TS]

01:18:17   start over with the program and so that [TS]

01:18:20   is a place where I have definitely [TS]

01:18:21   fallen down on it so like just throwing [TS]

01:18:25   it out there but you know we could [TS]

01:18:26   always do something with the running [TS]

01:18:28   because I do feel like being on the [TS]

01:18:30   public hook it's helpful and you seem to [TS]

01:18:33   be much better at the running that I am [TS]

01:18:34   I didn't bring my running game with me i [TS]

01:18:36   know i went for a run the other morning [TS]

01:18:38   and I just started I wanted to get to [TS]

01:18:39   the bay to the most from where I'm [TS]

01:18:41   staying [TS]

01:18:42   which is a bit of a crowd so I was [TS]

01:18:45   running and running and it ended up [TS]

01:18:46   being further than I expected and took [TS]

01:18:48   me longer than i expected to get there [TS]

01:18:50   and so eventually I got to like the [TS]

01:18:52   waterfront and thought oh this is nice [TS]

01:18:54   but I'd gone so far I was like are now [TS]

01:18:57   i'm really really far from home so I got [TS]

01:18:59   in the neighborhood that's there that's [TS]

01:19:02   totally fair [TS]

01:19:03   it does feel a little bit sad when [TS]

01:19:04   you're riding gear you getting into back [TS]

01:19:06   to where you started [TS]

01:19:07   but added a fair and i have to say that [TS]

01:19:09   even when I'm and fit and I am unfit i [TS]

01:19:12   am able to still run it does remind me [TS]

01:19:14   of something I think this is the nicest [TS]

01:19:17   thing anyone has ever said to me and [TS]

01:19:18   this is something my wife said to me [TS]

01:19:19   when we were in Bhutan we did a couple [TS]

01:19:22   of like long walks up mountains and [TS]

01:19:26   stuff and my wife to really fit person [TS]

01:19:28   much go to the gym all the time and [TS]

01:19:30   she's in great shape and and we were [TS]

01:19:32   climbing up these mountains and [TS]

01:19:34   sometimes I was doing at that strongest [TS]

01:19:36   here sometimes i'll be walking in front [TS]

01:19:38   of her and I'm not fit em and like I [TS]

01:19:40   wouldn't be drinking water and I just [TS]

01:19:42   soldier on up the hill [TS]

01:19:43   even though i'm struggling i just keep [TS]

01:19:45   going and she did say to me at one [TS]

01:19:48   point you just have so much grit like [TS]

01:19:51   you shouldn't be able to do this but [TS]

01:19:53   you're just a stubborn and that you just [TS]

01:19:54   keep going like that case the heart is [TS]

01:19:57   nice thing I was that did you turn to [TS]

01:19:59   you and say you're hard as nails now she [TS]

01:20:01   would never say that i like the word [TS]

01:20:03   grit she knows I'm not fair but I just [TS]

01:20:05   have like this stubbornness that even [TS]

01:20:07   though my body shouldn't be able to do [TS]

01:20:08   it and I'm just like well I'm not [TS]

01:20:10   stopping who swims so writings never [TS]

01:20:14   really a problem but you're right maybe [TS]

01:20:15   running is the case for me and for you [TS]

01:20:17   as well maybe like you know we'll come [TS]

01:20:19   up with some kind of robbery maybe we'll [TS]

01:20:22   have a race one day [TS]

01:20:23   yes maybe this is the thing that we can [TS]

01:20:24   revisit I'm not gonna pressure anything [TS]

01:20:26   i will never mention it I will you know [TS]

01:20:27   I'm just a letter go button era with a [TS]

01:20:30   gay [TS]

01:20:31   we've done a biweekly way in health to [TS]

01:20:32   sometimes occasionally corner so I think [TS]

01:20:35   we've ticked most of the boxes for a [TS]

01:20:37   classic episode i think we have as well [TS]

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01:22:21   thing we have to talk about our do we [TS]

01:22:23   have to do we have the top of rabbits [TS]

01:22:26   I think we kind of do I kind of don't [TS]

01:22:29   want to either but i think they kind of [TS]

01:22:30   have to [TS]

01:22:31   there's been so much happening in like [TS]

01:22:34   in the world of like elections and [TS]

01:22:35   politics and stuff em but the big one [TS]

01:22:38   and i'm getting asked about all the time [TS]

01:22:40   since arriving in America m is the UK [TS]

01:22:43   brexit vote the referendum about whether [TS]

01:22:46   or not the UK was going to stay in the [TS]

01:22:49   european union or leave the European [TS]

01:22:50   Union you out of the country for this [TS]

01:22:52   won't you [TS]

01:22:53   yeah i was out of the country i was at [TS]

01:22:57   VidCon when the the vote actually [TS]

01:22:59   happens or when the results came in [TS]

01:23:01   again because the confusing timeline it [TS]

01:23:03   was late in LA and suddenly I started [TS]

01:23:06   getting messages from people and [TS]

01:23:07   realizing like all right everybody is [TS]

01:23:09   waking up in the UK right now two votes [TS]

01:23:11   having been counted so that's where I [TS]

01:23:13   was when it occurred and if you are [TS]

01:23:16   listening on the planet Mars and don't [TS]

01:23:17   realize the UK voted i think it was a [TS]

01:23:21   52-percent voted to leave the European [TS]

01:23:24   Union yeah was 52-48 to leave the [TS]

01:23:27   European Union quite a high turnout was [TS]

01:23:30   in the seventies I think percentage [TS]

01:23:32   turnout so quite strong turnout [TS]

01:23:34   yes awesome comparisons it's like the [TS]

01:23:36   highest voter turnout in decades for [TS]

01:23:38   anything [TS]

01:23:38   not only is just like the the number of [TS]

01:23:40   voters high but it's that the percentage [TS]

01:23:42   of the possible electorate was also an [TS]

01:23:45   unusually high for the election so tons [TS]

01:23:47   of people turned out so that you go [TS]

01:23:49   supposedly the UK is now going to leave [TS]

01:23:52   the European Union yeah maybe it's just [TS]

01:23:55   so many people want to talk about it but [TS]

01:23:57   it's one of those things as well like I [TS]

01:23:58   haven't been following the details Super [TS]

01:24:00   closely like when it was first announced [TS]

01:24:04   and when I was in LA I did kind of [TS]

01:24:08   follow the news for a while but it was [TS]

01:24:10   his paintings because i was supposed to [TS]

01:24:12   be at some party I was being a grudge [TS]

01:24:14   alike [TS]

01:24:15   this party is really loud I don't want [TS]

01:24:17   to be here it's hard to talk to people [TS]

01:24:18   and then suddenly when news starts [TS]

01:24:20   rolling and it's like wow news seems [TS]

01:24:22   like a much more attractive option so [TS]

01:24:24   just like left and sat down on Twitter [TS]

01:24:27   for a while trying to read through news [TS]

01:24:29   stories and see like what what's going [TS]

01:24:30   on with breakfast like as the results [TS]

01:24:32   were actually coming in because at first [TS]

01:24:34   it was it looks like this is the way [TS]

01:24:35   it's going to happen and then and then [TS]

01:24:37   it really did become official so I kind [TS]

01:24:39   of followed it right at the start and [TS]

01:24:42   then i have only heard some of the major [TS]

01:24:46   beats of this that have occurred in the [TS]

01:24:48   past two weeks but as you might expect [TS]

01:24:50   with things like I haven't been [TS]

01:24:52   following it super super close everyday [TS]

01:24:53   I mean since that happened the British [TS]

01:24:56   politics is like just like exploded like [TS]

01:25:00   it's been crazy but I don't think that's [TS]

01:25:01   particularly what most people would like [TS]

01:25:03   to hear about because that's probably of [TS]

01:25:05   more interest to the British people but [TS]

01:25:08   it's like it has been my house of cards [TS]

01:25:10   since because obviously the Prime [TS]

01:25:11   Minister resigned and then there's been [TS]

01:25:14   all sorts of Machiavellian imaginations [TS]

01:25:17   going on and like stuff you couldn't [TS]

01:25:19   make up and everyone's resigning and [TS]

01:25:21   stabbing everyone in the back and you [TS]

01:25:23   couldn't make it up but I guess that's [TS]

01:25:25   kind of the fallout the result itself i [TS]

01:25:28   mean we surprised we placed is what you [TS]

01:25:32   expected [TS]

01:25:33   are you disappointed do you have any [TS]

01:25:35   feelings about what happened [TS]

01:25:37   I mean well if you go back and listen to [TS]

01:25:39   our episode where we talked about this [TS]

01:25:41   before it occurred [TS]

01:25:43   I feel like I'm i probably have a lot of [TS]

01:25:47   the same feelings like I made it pretty [TS]

01:25:49   clear in that episode that my position [TS]

01:25:51   is that it would be better for the UK to [TS]

01:25:54   stay in and that was your position as [TS]

01:25:56   well and also the thing that we talked [TS]

01:25:58   about at that time was it's a very hard [TS]

01:26:02   thing to discuss in any meaningful way [TS]

01:26:05   and yeah [TS]

01:26:07   part of the reason that i haven't [TS]

01:26:09   followed the politics super closely this [TS]

01:26:11   time around is because I feel it's it's [TS]

01:26:12   the same thing again like when I look [TS]

01:26:14   into what's going on with practice it is [TS]

01:26:17   ok we did this vote people voted [TS]

01:26:20   there's there's a clear outcome from the [TS]

01:26:22   vote like that is not in any amount of [TS]

01:26:24   uncertainty but what happens next [TS]

01:26:27   first it seems like it's the same [TS]

01:26:30   problem again who knows like there's no [TS]

01:26:32   details there's no procedure there's no [TS]

01:26:34   plan [TS]

01:26:35   there's no prime minister to enact [TS]

01:26:37   anything I know the people who fought [TS]

01:26:39   for have all left the ship [TS]

01:26:42   it's like people set fire to the house [TS]

01:26:44   and then walked away yeah i mean what [TS]

01:26:46   you're describing there is it's like the [TS]

01:26:47   leader of you Kip resigned as it has [TS]

01:26:50   been a whole bunch of other things about [TS]

01:26:51   like people who were prominent breaks it [TS]

01:26:54   cheerleaders yeah I don't want nothing [TS]

01:26:55   to do with it after gonna actually [TS]

01:26:57   evidence which I don't think is any kind [TS]

01:27:00   of like real surprise in some ways but [TS]

01:27:04   it doesn't mean that that at the time of [TS]

01:27:06   recording we are in this position where [TS]

01:27:08   it is just a total struggling shoulders [TS]

01:27:12   hands up in the air emoji about what is [TS]

01:27:14   actually going to occur like what's [TS]

01:27:17   gonna happen it is unknown [TS]

01:27:19   I mean what do you think what do you [TS]

01:27:21   think well you know obviously I have [TS]

01:27:24   trepidation about speaking about [TS]

01:27:26   politics in a public forum because [TS]

01:27:28   people feel so strongly about it and [TS]

01:27:31   most people are pretty entrenched in [TS]

01:27:32   their positions [TS]

01:27:33   yeah and you could say I'm interested in [TS]

01:27:35   my position so you like it's not like [TS]

01:27:36   you're going to persuade anyone of [TS]

01:27:38   anything you're either just going to [TS]

01:27:39   have people agree with you or get angry [TS]

01:27:41   at you [TS]

01:27:41   it's not really a discussion but i'll [TS]

01:27:43   talk about 1500 people who follow me on [TS]

01:27:45   twitter probably know what I think about [TS]

01:27:47   me because after we spoke about on the [TS]

01:27:49   podcast probably in the last week or two [TS]

01:27:51   before the vote itself [TS]

01:27:54   I've started to feel more strongly about [TS]

01:27:55   em and I really hoped that we would stay [TS]

01:28:00   as part of Europe em and I started [TS]

01:28:03   following the debate a lot more closely [TS]

01:28:04   and a lot of a lot of things happened in [TS]

01:28:06   the last week or two before that device [TS]

01:28:09   which you know we don't need to go into [TS]

01:28:10   all the details but I hoped we would [TS]

01:28:12   stay now all the people i'm friends with [TS]

01:28:14   think the same as me on facebook and a [TS]

01:28:16   lot of my twitter feed and let so so I [TS]

01:28:19   was surrounded by a lot of reinforcing [TS]

01:28:21   comments where everyone was saying we [TS]

01:28:23   have to stay we're going to stay it's [TS]

01:28:24   all great [TS]

01:28:25   so if you were to look at my facebook [TS]

01:28:27   feed it would be inconceivable to that [TS]

01:28:29   the vote would go the way it did [TS]

01:28:31   yeah and that this is a total phenomenon [TS]

01:28:33   that everybody experiences yet [TS]

01:28:34   politically is yes [TS]

01:28:36   it doesn't matter what election for what [TS]

01:28:37   event just the way people naturally sort [TS]

01:28:40   themselves [TS]

01:28:41   elves you are almost certainly going to [TS]

01:28:43   find yourself in a situation where the [TS]

01:28:44   vast majority people you know and or [TS]

01:28:46   follow online agree with you and so your [TS]

01:28:49   results seem surprising but I was not [TS]

01:28:51   supposed to be surprised and I was a [TS]

01:28:53   little bit surprised but not trying to [TS]

01:28:54   spice because luckily for me I have a [TS]

01:28:57   diverse and a range of friends that I [TS]

01:28:59   have a few friends from different parts [TS]

01:29:02   of England to me who felt the opposite [TS]

01:29:04   and I would occasionally see posts from [TS]

01:29:06   them and I'd be like really you really [TS]

01:29:08   think that and I would sometimes go [TS]

01:29:10   clicking off down those rabbit holes and [TS]

01:29:12   into their worlds of friends and [TS]

01:29:15   suddenly I was saying how different [TS]

01:29:16   fades and whole different worlds where [TS]

01:29:18   was overwhelmingly the other way and my [TS]

01:29:21   way of thinking wasn't represented at [TS]

01:29:22   all so it was kind of a wake-up call for [TS]

01:29:25   me that [TS]

01:29:26   hang on a second this is a this may well [TS]

01:29:28   go the other way and of course it did go [TS]

01:29:31   the other way and I I'm really [TS]

01:29:33   disappointed by and I feel like a parent [TS]

01:29:37   it's almost like I'm not angry just [TS]

01:29:39   disappointed but I am also i am also a [TS]

01:29:42   little bit a little bit angry about it [TS]

01:29:44   but I kind of feel a bit helpless about [TS]

01:29:45   and i have cooled down quite a lot since [TS]

01:29:47   the week or two after the debate but i [TS]

01:29:49   just think it was such a wrongheaded [TS]

01:29:52   decision by so many people and it's [TS]

01:29:57   almost like I'm just like I feel a bit [TS]

01:29:59   cringey that I'm surrounded by so many [TS]

01:30:00   people em that think in a certain way [TS]

01:30:03   that I don't think and you know I [TS]

01:30:05   respect their right and they won the [TS]

01:30:06   vote so so good for them although [TS]

01:30:09   funnily enough all those people who I'm [TS]

01:30:11   friends with who were like let's leave [TS]

01:30:13   let's leave have gone very quiet since [TS]

01:30:15   because I think I laughter I do think [TS]

01:30:17   it's true that a lot of them perhaps [TS]

01:30:18   didn't think they'd win or it would be [TS]

01:30:21   different and I think a lot of people [TS]

01:30:22   are a bit shocked and I've spoken to [TS]

01:30:24   some of the month but a few relatives [TS]

01:30:26   actually young relatives who I spoke to [TS]

01:30:28   and I said officers are you voted to [TS]

01:30:30   leave did you like why and they're kind [TS]

01:30:32   of like our deny I kind of regret it now [TS]

01:30:35   that i am saying a lot of that and there [TS]

01:30:37   is this sort of pervasive media story [TS]

01:30:40   that's coming across the everyone [TS]

01:30:41   regrets their vote [TS]

01:30:42   I don't actually think that's true i [TS]

01:30:44   think it's probably more all the people [TS]

01:30:46   like me kind of still in our bubbles [TS]

01:30:48   telling yourself that everyone regrets [TS]

01:30:50   how they voted yeah they probably don't [TS]

01:30:52   yeah [TS]

01:30:53   completely agree i I've seen a few of [TS]

01:30:54   those stories and I think that they are [TS]

01:30:56   they are frankly horrific Lee unfair [TS]

01:30:59   anecdotal evidence [TS]

01:31:01   yes I grand and I great and also wishful [TS]

01:31:03   thinking almost certainly on the part of [TS]

01:31:05   the people reporting them [TS]

01:31:06   yes I think there was a lot of wishful [TS]

01:31:07   thinking going on in the in the fallout [TS]

01:31:09   from the people who lost and you know [TS]

01:31:12   then they lost but what's going to [TS]

01:31:14   happen what's gonna happen now kind of [TS]

01:31:16   baffles me [TS]

01:31:17   I mean as I've said before I think [TS]

01:31:20   personally it's probably not that bad [TS]

01:31:21   for me [TS]

01:31:22   mhm I I do a lot of my work in America [TS]

01:31:24   so sort of the plunging pounds and the [TS]

01:31:26   pound has immediately plunged yeah and [TS]

01:31:28   the economy has immediately started [TS]

01:31:30   tanking but everyone said that wouldn't [TS]

01:31:32   happen and it was scare mongering like [TS]

01:31:34   everyone thought these countless [TS]

01:31:36   professionals that was saying would be [TS]

01:31:38   really bad for the economy which is [TS]

01:31:39   scaremongering and within sort of an [TS]

01:31:41   hour after the economy gotta be plunged [TS]

01:31:45   but you know that's not terrible for me [TS]

01:31:47   i hope i actually think the people who [TS]

01:31:50   are going to be hurt the most [TS]

01:31:52   I probably a lot of the people who voted [TS]

01:31:54   to that if funnily enough you know the [TS]

01:31:57   world will keep turning and everything [TS]

01:31:59   will work out [TS]

01:32:00   I don't think leaving the European Union [TS]

01:32:02   is going to look like what the people [TS]

01:32:04   who want to leave the European Union [TS]

01:32:05   thinks it will look like basically i [TS]

01:32:08   think we will leave the European Union [TS]

01:32:09   but all of the concessions and [TS]

01:32:13   compromises and things that have to be [TS]

01:32:14   done are going to result in a situation [TS]

01:32:16   where everyone is unhappy [TS]

01:32:18   hmm because we have to stay in the [TS]

01:32:19   common marker and then they're not going [TS]

01:32:21   to let us stay in the common market of [TS]

01:32:22   Europe without the free movement of [TS]

01:32:24   people and it's the free movement of [TS]

01:32:26   people that I think a lot of the leaves [TS]

01:32:28   were against but the free movement of [TS]

01:32:30   people wasn't part of the referendum [TS]

01:32:31   question the referendum question was [TS]

01:32:33   just should we leave the European Union [TS]

01:32:35   so I think we're going to leave this [TS]

01:32:37   governmental body but all of the [TS]

01:32:39   compromises that are going to be [TS]

01:32:40   necessary to preserve the UK economy are [TS]

01:32:43   going to result in all the leaves being [TS]

01:32:44   unhappy anyway [TS]

01:32:45   mm but who knows i could be wrong I have [TS]

01:32:48   no idea now have this kind of i was [TS]

01:32:51   going to go along for the ride [TS]

01:32:52   yeah it's interesting actually kind of [TS]

01:32:55   okay talking about brexit now because it [TS]

01:32:57   does feel like this is a moment after [TS]

01:32:59   all of the passions have passed [TS]

01:33:01   so this morning when I knew we were [TS]

01:33:03   going to record the podcast and we were [TS]

01:33:06   inevitably going to talk about this [TS]

01:33:07   topic I was sitting down and trying to [TS]

01:33:09   prepare for it and thinking like what [TS]

01:33:11   are my thoughts on this like now that [TS]

01:33:13   time has passed [TS]

01:33:15   let me try to think about this and the [TS]

01:33:17   only way that I could come up with [TS]

01:33:19   how do i want to think about this is to [TS]

01:33:22   be a bookmaker on the odds of what is [TS]

01:33:25   actually going to occur there was no [TS]

01:33:27   other way that I could kind of think [TS]

01:33:28   about this in a sensible way and would [TS]

01:33:32   you have listed is one of what i see is [TS]

01:33:36   like three options for what can occur [TS]

01:33:38   when you have described where the UK [TS]

01:33:41   leaves the European Union but unlike a [TS]

01:33:44   technicality but stays in something like [TS]

01:33:48   the DEA like the european economic area [TS]

01:33:51   or something similar like that i think [TS]

01:33:54   of that as the non exit brexit yeah [TS]

01:33:56   which is where bragging but on a total [TS]

01:34:01   technicality that that the end result of [TS]

01:34:04   what is going to happen is that the UK [TS]

01:34:06   just gives up a bunch of Rights it keeps [TS]

01:34:08   free movement of people it keeps paying [TS]

01:34:10   into the European Union and like from a [TS]

01:34:13   normal citizen on the street perspective [TS]

01:34:16   all seems the same like people who live [TS]

01:34:18   in Europe can come move to the UK people [TS]

01:34:21   in the UK can go move to Europe and as [TS]

01:34:23   we discussed in the last podcast like [TS]

01:34:24   immigration was a huge issue i give the [TS]

01:34:28   non exit brings it in my mind a [TS]

01:34:30   fifty-five percent chance of happening [TS]

01:34:34   I i think that that is the majority [TS]

01:34:37   likelihood that this is what's going to [TS]

01:34:40   occur and just as just as you were [TS]

01:34:42   saying when i was writing up my notes [TS]

01:34:43   this to me [TS]

01:34:44   strikes me as the most pure of a [TS]

01:34:47   compromise right because in a compromise [TS]

01:34:49   everyone's unhappy in some manner right [TS]

01:34:53   like that compromises and like okay [TS]

01:34:55   great [TS]

01:34:56   the pro-european people are going to be [TS]

01:34:59   unhappy because now the UK has no say [TS]

01:35:02   enough here for union is governed has [TS]

01:35:05   absolutely no leavers to pull to try to [TS]

01:35:08   institute any reforms in the european [TS]

01:35:10   union and then the people who wanted to [TS]

01:35:13   break sit there going to be on [TS]

01:35:14   happy because this situation almost [TS]

01:35:17   certainly addresses literally nothing [TS]

01:35:20   that they cared about in their voting [TS]

01:35:22   right at least trying to imagine and [TS]

01:35:24   looking at looking at the things that [TS]

01:35:26   break there's were complaining about [TS]

01:35:27   like this address is nothing so I really [TS]

01:35:31   think that that's like the fifty-five [TS]

01:35:32   percent chance non exit breaks it is is [TS]

01:35:35   the thing that occurs everybody is on [TS]

01:35:37   happy to some extent but it means that a [TS]

01:35:42   lot of the economic concerns that we [TS]

01:35:45   currently see happening with businesses [TS]

01:35:47   and with the strength of the pound and [TS]

01:35:48   investment and construction and all of [TS]

01:35:50   this stuff in the UK all of that stuff [TS]

01:35:52   doesn't care like it'll just keep [TS]

01:35:54   trucking along as normal with a non eggs [TS]

01:35:57   at breakfast and allows some of the pro [TS]

01:36:00   bricks at people whether they're leaders [TS]

01:36:02   or voters to sort of save a bit face [TS]

01:36:03   that's exactly it is a face-saving [TS]

01:36:05   manure [TS]

01:36:07   perhaps it is the worst most self-harm [TS]

01:36:11   inflicting space-saving maneuver that [TS]

01:36:13   has ever occurred [TS]

01:36:14   I great but it allows them to say we [TS]

01:36:17   have achieved victory in exiting here be [TS]

01:36:20   needed [TS]

01:36:20   what have you accomplished we gave all [TS]

01:36:22   of our voting rights in the EU and [TS]

01:36:24   nothing else [TS]

01:36:25   that's not that's not a good thing [TS]

01:36:27   that's terrible [TS]

01:36:28   there's one group that will claim that [TS]

01:36:30   as a victory right and they're the [TS]

01:36:31   people who talk about sovereignty mm and [TS]

01:36:36   I could have a lot to say about those [TS]

01:36:37   people venue I white and they will say [TS]

01:36:40   yes but we're now the masters of our own [TS]

01:36:42   destiny and yeah [TS]

01:36:44   not only is that like a little bit [TS]

01:36:46   deluded yeah but it was really [TS]

01:36:47   beautifully put buy aticle that Ben [TS]

01:36:49   Goldacre right before the vote saying [TS]

01:36:51   that a lot of these terms that were used [TS]

01:36:53   in the campaigning like let's be masters [TS]

01:36:55   of our own destiny a hollow meaningless [TS]

01:36:57   statements that you see on the cover of [TS]

01:36:58   self-help books and like airports and [TS]

01:37:01   like what does that even mean [TS]

01:37:02   now we control our own destiny like what [TS]

01:37:05   like let's let's take control like that [TS]

01:37:08   believe in yourself written yeah exactly [TS]

01:37:12   yeah it's like there are a small number [TS]

01:37:14   of people that if that we go down this [TS]

01:37:16   path will claim [TS]

01:37:17   yes but now we're in control of our own [TS]

01:37:19   destiny well no you're not and in fact [TS]

01:37:21   you probably less in control because [TS]

01:37:23   you're still at the whims of market [TS]

01:37:25   forces like everyone in the world except [TS]

01:37:27   now [TS]

01:37:28   there's one Leslie that you have access [TS]

01:37:30   to it exactly that you know your pain [TS]

01:37:31   later so it's totally 1984 style less [TS]

01:37:35   say is more control right that's what [TS]

01:37:38   that result ends up practically being [TS]

01:37:40   the other kind of marking it out [TS]

01:37:44   thing is I i put that my next most [TS]

01:37:47   probable event is at thirty-five percent [TS]

01:37:50   i think that literally nothing changes [TS]

01:37:54   that the government takes the hardline [TS]

01:38:00   short-term option of just totally [TS]

01:38:03   ignoring the non-binding referendum of [TS]

01:38:06   of saying we're just not going to do [TS]

01:38:08   this and I think that option has some [TS]

01:38:13   really really terrible consequences but [TS]

01:38:17   i don't see it as a as an impossibility [TS]

01:38:19   I mean to be clear here I go just to get [TS]

01:38:22   this on record like while I am on the [TS]

01:38:25   side that lost in this argument there is [TS]

01:38:29   no doubt that there was a huge voter [TS]

01:38:32   turnout and people voted to leave [TS]

01:38:35   yep and simply choosing to do something [TS]

01:38:38   like ignore the referendum like even [TS]

01:38:40   though it was non-binding like it was [TS]

01:38:42   not sold to people as non-binding if [TS]

01:38:45   you're not going to be able to stand up [TS]

01:38:48   and explain that this thing had the [TS]

01:38:50   legal power of an opinion poll and get a [TS]

01:38:52   happy result from people who were like [TS]

01:38:54   okay well then you know whatever [TS]

01:38:56   no harm no foul on this one unless it's [TS]

01:38:58   true that everyone regrets there like [TS]

01:38:59   which I don't think it is but if that [TS]

01:39:01   was true everyone much is quietly put it [TS]

01:39:03   out between their legs and let's just [TS]

01:39:05   pretend that never happened but there [TS]

01:39:07   are a few cases in recent years across a [TS]

01:39:10   whole bunch of European countries where [TS]

01:39:11   they have had votes of the people in [TS]

01:39:14   relation to things to do with Europe [TS]

01:39:17   where the will of the people has been [TS]

01:39:19   subsequently been ignored or [TS]

01:39:20   circumvented like it's becoming [TS]

01:39:21   increasingly long list but nothing quite [TS]

01:39:24   so dramatic as a vote to leave the union [TS]

01:39:28   all together and I think you're right [TS]

01:39:29   ignoring it would be a big deal but for [TS]

01:39:31   people who don't know to leave the [TS]

01:39:33   European Union a vote has to be [TS]

01:39:35   conducted by the Parliament all the mp's [TS]

01:39:37   in the parliament the majority of whom [TS]

01:39:39   don't want to leave the opinion [TS]

01:39:41   and I required to put up their hand or [TS]

01:39:44   vote through the the right lobby to say [TS]

01:39:46   yes we're going to leave so they're [TS]

01:39:48   going to have to vote against their own [TS]

01:39:50   will and follow the will of this [TS]

01:39:52   referendum and funnily enough the [TS]

01:39:53   referendum was all about protecting the [TS]

01:39:55   sovereignty of the UK Parliament fact [TS]

01:39:57   that all of a sudden the Parliament [TS]

01:39:59   which we fought so hard to project [TS]

01:40:00   sovereignty of where representatives [TS]

01:40:01   they're deciding the future of the [TS]

01:40:03   country and then going to have to vote [TS]

01:40:05   against what they want to vote because [TS]

01:40:08   of a huge pole it's an interesting [TS]

01:40:10   dilemma but but it would be very hard [TS]

01:40:12   case for any MP to say well I didn't [TS]

01:40:16   vote for it even though there was this [TS]

01:40:17   result of this referendum so it's a [TS]

01:40:19   reel-to-reel pickle [TS]

01:40:21   yeah but not even like always the real [TS]

01:40:23   pickle there's no way that the [TS]

01:40:25   Parliament just ignoring the referendum [TS]

01:40:27   is anything other than anti-democratic [TS]

01:40:29   there's there's no way that that's not [TS]

01:40:32   true like the people voted to leave and [TS]

01:40:35   then if Parliament says a forget it [TS]

01:40:38   we're just going to ignore this [TS]

01:40:40   it's but the people also voted all of [TS]

01:40:43   those MPAs to represent them in the [TS]

01:40:45   parliament the people democratically [TS]

01:40:47   elected them to do that right and that's [TS]

01:40:49   actually where the true sovereignty of [TS]

01:40:50   the UK lies in the parliament and in the [TS]

01:40:53   MPs who were elected by the people so [TS]

01:40:55   they're also they also have a democratic [TS]

01:40:57   job to do to vote for things on behalf [TS]

01:41:00   of their constituency and I mean we [TS]

01:41:02   haven't got demographics which [TS]

01:41:03   constituencies so we don't know they [TS]

01:41:05   don't know what their particular people [TS]

01:41:07   want necessarily so there is a clash [TS]

01:41:10   between the two forms of democracy here [TS]

01:41:12   and I know it's sort of you know [TS]

01:41:13   splitting hairs and it's the way for the [TS]

01:41:15   losers to get out but it is also really [TS]

01:41:17   legitimate concern about how this form [TS]

01:41:21   of democracy works well it is an [TS]

01:41:23   interesting question about the nature of [TS]

01:41:25   representative democracy [TS]

01:41:27   let's assume that the majority of MPs do [TS]

01:41:31   not think it is a good idea for their [TS]

01:41:33   constituents if the United Kingdom [TS]

01:41:35   leaves the European Union delicious use [TS]

01:41:38   that as a starting point for a [TS]

01:41:39   conversation but at the same time you [TS]

01:41:42   have direct democracy where the people [TS]

01:41:45   themselves have voted to leave [TS]

01:41:48   what is the correct decision for a moral [TS]

01:41:53   member of parliament if they did [TS]

01:41:55   agree with the democracy of what to do [TS]

01:41:58   like I think there's no good way out of [TS]

01:42:00   that they would have been a good way out [TS]

01:42:01   of it i don't have this possible i [TS]

01:42:03   mention is that what the Parliament [TS]

01:42:05   could have done was passed a law that [TS]

01:42:07   the result of the referendum was binding [TS]

01:42:10   before the referendum happened but they [TS]

01:42:12   didn't do that and i almost think they [TS]

01:42:14   deliberately didn't do that [TS]

01:42:16   this is kind of my theory about why do I [TS]

01:42:20   think there's a thirty-five percent [TS]

01:42:21   chance that literally nothing happens or [TS]

01:42:23   fifty five percent chance of the non [TS]

01:42:24   exit brexit which leaves like an [TS]

01:42:27   eighty-five percent chance that [TS]

01:42:28   essentially from the average citizens [TS]

01:42:31   perspective [TS]

01:42:32   nothing changes is that was at ninety [TS]

01:42:34   percent uh I've had enough of that in [TS]

01:42:36   these numbers are frightened I yeah I [TS]

01:42:38   have a feel for the proposed yes that's [TS]

01:42:40   exactly it like is it you know the these [TS]

01:42:43   numbers their number ish present maybe I [TS]

01:42:47   mean 45% not exactly but whatever eighty [TS]

01:42:49   ninety percent chance nothing happens [TS]

01:42:51   just like when i try to think about the [TS]

01:42:52   future and I'm thinking about you know [TS]

01:42:54   how soon are electric cars going to come [TS]

01:42:56   or you know something else that's on the [TS]

01:42:58   horizon like how soon is genetic [TS]

01:43:01   manipulation technology like when i try [TS]

01:43:03   to think about what changes in the world [TS]

01:43:05   I think you always have to try to look [TS]

01:43:07   at it from the perspective of things [TS]

01:43:09   like economic demand which I always [TS]

01:43:12   place a lot of value on and you have to [TS]

01:43:13   look at the trend lines of where things [TS]

01:43:15   are going to occur and you also have to [TS]

01:43:18   look at like what what does the current [TS]

01:43:20   institution in power think of this and [TS]

01:43:23   how much power do they have to [TS]

01:43:24   accelerate or prevent this thing and I [TS]

01:43:27   look at the whole brexit situation and I [TS]

01:43:29   can't help but think that anyone I i [TS]

01:43:33   think that a lot of the stuff that [TS]

01:43:34   occurred in that election was [TS]

01:43:37   politicians probably pandering to the [TS]

01:43:42   leave voters for their votes partly [TS]

01:43:46   because of the way that the the UK [TS]

01:43:47   government kind of does the [TS]

01:43:48   first-past-the-post voting splitting [TS]

01:43:49   thing I think a lot of that kind of [TS]

01:43:52   prominent people who make a career on [TS]

01:43:54   being anti the European Union there are [TS]

01:43:57   a lot of people who might quite enjoy [TS]

01:43:59   the position of being against a thing [TS]

01:44:01   and so of course they want the thing to [TS]

01:44:04   continue to exist and in their heart of [TS]

01:44:06   hearts might recognize that it's [TS]

01:44:07   actually [TS]

01:44:07   but there's like a political miche of [TS]

01:44:10   being the opposition and so for example [TS]

01:44:13   like I think with newspapers and stuff [TS]

01:44:15   or even with the UK government in [TS]

01:44:16   particular they always love to blame the [TS]

01:44:18   EU for everything because it means is [TS]

01:44:21   there's always someone to pass the buck [TS]

01:44:22   on to write like always never actually [TS]

01:44:24   our fault it's always somebody else's [TS]

01:44:26   fault at a political level there's that [TS]

01:44:28   and other personal level there's blaming [TS]

01:44:30   immigrants are people from other [TS]

01:44:32   countries for your problems [TS]

01:44:34   I think that happens a few levels at one [TS]

01:44:36   level you blame the bureaucrats there's [TS]

01:44:38   one group of people who just hate those [TS]

01:44:39   bureaucrats and programs and then [TS]

01:44:41   there's another group of people that [TS]

01:44:42   want to blame immigrants because they're [TS]

01:44:45   not happy with their lot in life and I [TS]

01:44:46   think maybe people are taking their jobs [TS]

01:44:48   or they're changing their culture for [TS]

01:44:50   the worse [TS]

01:44:51   so there's a few different levels going [TS]

01:44:53   on yeah there's definitely a few [TS]

01:44:53   different levels that so what I want to [TS]

01:44:55   be clear here is I don't think that the [TS]

01:44:57   people who voted for breakfast it were [TS]

01:44:59   in sincere but I can say that I doubt [TS]

01:45:03   the suspicions of a lot of the political [TS]

01:45:05   leaders who were promoting brexit I i [TS]

01:45:09   doubt in their heart of hearts like what [TS]

01:45:10   did they actually really want and what I [TS]

01:45:13   think that they might have wanted was a [TS]

01:45:14   close loss right person but so that they [TS]

01:45:18   can say oh you know we we fight for you [TS]

01:45:21   Rex its you skeptics we fight for you [TS]

01:45:23   like vote for us i think that that's [TS]

01:45:25   their ideal outcome and then when you [TS]

01:45:28   add on top of that what I think of as [TS]

01:45:30   looking looking at the economic [TS]

01:45:31   situation and we now have definite [TS]

01:45:34   evidence like the global market and the [TS]

01:45:36   local economy does not like brexit right [TS]

01:45:41   this is a thumbs down on breakfast at [TS]

01:45:43   least in the short run for what does the [TS]

01:45:46   world economy think about this situation [TS]

01:45:48   hmm and so I look at and I say okay one [TS]

01:45:50   the people who are in power who are in [TS]

01:45:54   the position to actually change things i [TS]

01:45:58   think most of them don't want anything [TS]

01:45:59   to change [TS]

01:46:00   and secondly I think there's a huge [TS]

01:46:04   economic pressure to not change so when [TS]

01:46:07   I look at those two things that's why I [TS]

01:46:10   only put like a ten fifteen percent [TS]

01:46:12   chance on breaks it's in the way people [TS]

01:46:15   who voted for breakfast and think of it [TS]

01:46:17   actually occurring [TS]

01:46:19   complete withdrawal build a wall exactly [TS]

01:46:22   shaft right hey I think there's there's [TS]

01:46:24   very little chance of that happening [TS]

01:46:26   because the people holding the levers of [TS]

01:46:29   power don't want it to occur kind of [TS]

01:46:31   like the embodied corporations out there [TS]

01:46:33   don't want it to and curly like what I [TS]

01:46:35   imagine is is happening right now we're [TS]

01:46:37   talking [TS]

01:46:38   is that maybe somewhere somewhere in the [TS]

01:46:40   government there is a room in which [TS]

01:46:42   politicians and prominent party backers [TS]

01:46:46   and companies and banks are all in a [TS]

01:46:48   room leaning a tremendous amount of [TS]

01:46:51   pressure on some poor sod to be the [TS]

01:46:54   scapegoat for this whole thing we know [TS]

01:46:56   we just want someone to take the fall [TS]

01:46:58   for why brexit isn't going to occur [TS]

01:47:00   because all of the interests in this [TS]

01:47:03   room don't want it to occur and you can [TS]

01:47:05   that'd be great but how can look how [TS]

01:47:08   does that manifest itself [TS]

01:47:09   well I'm not a details man i'm just an [TS]

01:47:11   idea i right I don't know what that [TS]

01:47:14   looks like it could only be like a prime [TS]

01:47:15   minister that refuses to do it but then [TS]

01:47:17   now have to fall on the sword and then [TS]

01:47:19   the pressure will be on the next prime [TS]

01:47:20   minister do it which is kind of what [TS]

01:47:22   happened [TS]

01:47:22   also there's a possibility of having an [TS]

01:47:24   early election in the UK [TS]

01:47:26   yeah which is more difficult to do but [TS]

01:47:27   it is still possible to do and i just [TS]

01:47:30   think that the various powers that be do [TS]

01:47:32   not want this to occur and in a [TS]

01:47:35   situation like this if I have to put my [TS]

01:47:37   money down on who is going to win this [TS]

01:47:40   fight the powers that be that I [TS]

01:47:43   speculate do not want this to occur or [TS]

01:47:46   the people who voted in a referendum who [TS]

01:47:49   again to be clear democratically one [TS]

01:47:52   that it should occur [TS]

01:47:53   I don't put my money on the people in [TS]

01:47:55   that scenario i put my money on the [TS]

01:47:57   establishment in that scenario getting [TS]

01:47:59   what it once was a super rational gray [TS]

01:48:01   think about that do you think that's [TS]

01:48:02   good do you think that's like wrong [TS]

01:48:04   because i had a base level feels wrong [TS]

01:48:07   does not like you know the people [TS]

01:48:08   democracy the will of the people should [TS]

01:48:10   be but like super rational dude like you [TS]

01:48:12   might think [TS]

01:48:14   actually that's probably a good outcome [TS]

01:48:15   that the people the people don't always [TS]

01:48:17   know what's best for them [TS]

01:48:18   yeah so again like this morning is the [TS]

01:48:20   first morning I actually give some [TS]

01:48:21   serious thought to this and my [TS]

01:48:24   conclusion is that it is wrong it is [TS]

01:48:27   wrong for the government in this [TS]

01:48:30   scenario two [TS]

01:48:31   ignore the will of the people I I don't [TS]

01:48:34   think there's any argument against that [TS]

01:48:36   but i am on the other side like I don't [TS]

01:48:40   think Rex it is a good idea and so this [TS]

01:48:43   is a case where a thing might occur for [TS]

01:48:45   the wrong reasons that in the long run [TS]

01:48:48   is better but that still doesn't really [TS]

01:48:51   justify the like our democracy we're [TS]

01:48:55   just gonna throw it out the window right [TS]

01:48:57   now so the way the way I look at this is [TS]

01:49:00   like there are no good directions to [TS]

01:49:03   take i got i think in the long run it's [TS]

01:49:06   probably better for the UK to stay part [TS]

01:49:08   of the EU but to do that requires the [TS]

01:49:11   government to kind of subvert its own [TS]

01:49:14   process as like well all we have is the [TS]

01:49:18   process that like if you start walking [TS]

01:49:20   down this road of Oh laws like you know [TS]

01:49:23   we use them when we like them but we [TS]

01:49:24   don't use them when we don't like but [TS]

01:49:26   what's happened now like this is all we [TS]

01:49:27   have to keep the world together [TS]

01:49:29   I mean that looks legitimate way around [TS]

01:49:31   that I guess it sounds stupid even [TS]

01:49:33   saying it would be like a revote like a [TS]

01:49:35   are you sure vote like and then see if [TS]

01:49:38   yet same result [TS]

01:49:39   I know how crazy that sounds but that [TS]

01:49:41   would not subvert the process at least [TS]

01:49:43   it would be like it could be we want to [TS]

01:49:46   be more clarification and the questions [TS]

01:49:48   could be a bit more detail this time and [TS]

01:49:49   that could be used as a mechanism to [TS]

01:49:51   withdraw the decision if the people want [TS]

01:49:53   to withdraw the decision which maybe [TS]

01:49:55   they don't legally and technically that [TS]

01:49:59   would possibly be one of the cleanest [TS]

01:50:01   solutions that like you said before the [TS]

01:50:04   UK says look we're going to have another [TS]

01:50:06   referendum and this one is immediately [TS]

01:50:09   legally binding or they say we're going [TS]

01:50:12   we're going to keep having referendums [TS]

01:50:13   until you for anyone but that but that's [TS]

01:50:15   exactly the problem though it is but I [TS]

01:50:18   like you suspect that the original [TS]

01:50:19   referendum was written to be non-binding [TS]

01:50:22   and again all of the parties including [TS]

01:50:25   you keep and the Conservatives agreed on [TS]

01:50:27   the fact that it was a non-binding which [TS]

01:50:29   leads suspicions to me like they don't [TS]

01:50:30   want to go the wrong way but and so that [TS]

01:50:33   that to me just like well maybe you can [TS]

01:50:34   have another one that's legally binding [TS]

01:50:36   but it's just there's no way it doesn't [TS]

01:50:37   look awful to do that has like no we're [TS]

01:50:41   just gonna keep voting until we get what [TS]

01:50:42   we want it's like well that's a terrible [TS]

01:50:44   democracy [TS]

01:50:45   it's a terrible way to do things I just [TS]

01:50:48   find it very interesting that there is [TS]

01:50:50   no good outcome [TS]

01:50:53   I don't know that there's a thing that [TS]

01:50:54   almost feels like bayesian statistics [TS]

01:50:55   about this to me which is as you add [TS]

01:50:58   additional pieces of information about a [TS]

01:51:00   problem like it certain unlikely [TS]

01:51:03   probabilities seem more likely and the [TS]

01:51:06   reason i bring that up is because when i [TS]

01:51:07   think about breakfast occurring like if [TS]

01:51:09   the UK actually leaves i think it is [TS]

01:51:13   very likely like 97% likely that [TS]

01:51:17   Scotland leaves the UK if that occurs [TS]

01:51:20   I i find it very hard to imagine that [TS]

01:51:22   that does not occur because for people [TS]

01:51:25   who don't know who haven't been [TS]

01:51:26   following the story the Scottish people [TS]

01:51:28   overwhelmingly voted to stay in the [TS]

01:51:31   European Union but of course there's [TS]

01:51:33   part of the whole conglomerate of the UK [TS]

01:51:35   and all their votes for light in with [TS]

01:51:37   the overwhelming majority of English [TS]

01:51:38   people and Welsh people so so if you [TS]

01:51:40   were just taking the votes cast in [TS]

01:51:42   Scotland alone they did want to stay and [TS]

01:51:45   obviously the scottish independence [TS]

01:51:46   people are using that as as leverage and [TS]

01:51:49   saying hang on we don't want to leave [TS]

01:51:51   the European Union the rest of you do if [TS]

01:51:52   we were independent we wouldn't be [TS]

01:51:54   dragged under with you [TS]

01:51:56   so they're gonna use that to trigger [TS]

01:51:58   their into another independence ave and [TS]

01:52:00   at least from what from my reading up [TS]

01:52:01   there was something about how the [TS]

01:52:02   Scottish Parliament was even saying like [TS]

01:52:03   as far as they're concerned they've [TS]

01:52:04   already voted to stay so they just will [TS]

01:52:07   stay right if if the UK actually leaves [TS]

01:52:09   like we don't even need to hold another [TS]

01:52:10   referendum we as a nation already had a [TS]

01:52:12   huge margin that says we're going to [TS]

01:52:14   stay so then that then they're going to [TS]

01:52:17   definitely get their own American if [TS]

01:52:18   anything looks lovely top levels already [TS]

01:52:20   right it's very clear that could be the [TS]

01:52:23   design i gotta Scotland's you have your [TS]

01:52:25   own mode shape right then Scotland's [TS]

01:52:26   gonna be wishing that the UK leaves that [TS]

01:52:28   they can get their emoji that's how [TS]

01:52:30   people make decisions in these things [TS]

01:52:31   but so when I think about that like that [TS]

01:52:33   i really do think that it's it's almost [TS]

01:52:35   impossible to imagine a scenario where [TS]

01:52:37   Scotland doesn't leave the UK if the UK [TS]

01:52:40   leaves the EU and then if that occurs i [TS]

01:52:45   also think he liked it starts getting [TS]

01:52:47   into the realm of like not crazy [TS]

01:52:49   unlikely that Northern Ireland which [TS]

01:52:51   also voted to stay might leave the UK [TS]

01:52:55   because then like Northern Ireland would [TS]

01:52:57   be making a [TS]

01:52:58   decision in the perspective of do you [TS]

01:53:00   want to leave the european union with [TS]

01:53:02   england and wales alone right like [TS]

01:53:05   that's a very different question all of [TS]

01:53:06   a sudden then we're really looking at [TS]

01:53:09   breakfast it might lead to the breakup [TS]

01:53:11   of the United Kingdom which i think is a [TS]

01:53:14   thing that's kind of on people's minds [TS]

01:53:17   now as a possibility that might occur [TS]

01:53:19   and so when I say it's like it's like [TS]

01:53:21   bayesian in a way it's almost like if [TS]

01:53:24   the UK were to have another referendum [TS]

01:53:26   that piece of information plus the piece [TS]

01:53:31   of information that the international [TS]

01:53:33   market obviously don't like the idea of [TS]

01:53:35   brexit I think that really changes the [TS]

01:53:38   idea of what are you voting for [TS]

01:53:41   are you voting for possibly just Wales [TS]

01:53:44   and England to leave the EU that sounds [TS]

01:53:47   like a terrible idea [TS]

01:53:48   like I don't think very many people [TS]

01:53:49   would vote for that if it was on the [TS]

01:53:51   referendum but it may very well be the [TS]

01:53:54   logical consequence of the referendum [TS]

01:53:55   yeah I think you're right ray [TS]

01:53:58   there's a few other things that I feel [TS]

01:53:59   thoughts and I that I had one thing that [TS]

01:54:02   I think is important to say it's really [TS]

01:54:03   important thing and what's going on in [TS]

01:54:05   politics in a few things is that i don't [TS]

01:54:08   think most of the people who voted to [TS]

01:54:11   leave idiots right like I think I made a [TS]

01:54:16   poor decision or whatever reasons they [TS]

01:54:18   made it but i don't think they're idiots [TS]

01:54:20   but i think that has been the pervasive [TS]

01:54:22   message if you vote to leave you idiot [TS]

01:54:25   and that was kind of the intellectual [TS]

01:54:27   highbrow sort of attitude that was [TS]

01:54:29   coming across in the build-up to the [TS]

01:54:30   election and I think that was really [TS]

01:54:32   really counterproductive and I think it [TS]

01:54:35   makes people who are 5050 but leaning or [TS]

01:54:38   maybe people have a slight leaning [TS]

01:54:39   towards leave I just think in trenches [TS]

01:54:41   their position telling people they're [TS]

01:54:43   idiots is bad and I think it became a [TS]

01:54:45   really big part of this election that [TS]

01:54:47   people who maybe have a lower income or [TS]

01:54:50   come from a part of England that is [TS]

01:54:51   poorer felt like they were being told [TS]

01:54:53   they were idiots for having their doubts [TS]

01:54:55   about Europe and I think that caused a [TS]

01:54:57   real back lash and fair enough to you [TS]

01:55:00   shouldn't tell people the videos i [TS]

01:55:01   totally agree [TS]

01:55:02   I mean this goes back to my whole [TS]

01:55:05   feeling about how your groups just [TS]

01:55:07   talked with themselves and they end up [TS]

01:55:08   creating these imaginary versions of the [TS]

01:55:10   other group they just rail against how [TS]

01:55:13   does that change anybody's mind I I [TS]

01:55:15   think that just is the same thing like [TS]

01:55:17   it further makes people feel resentful [TS]

01:55:20   and trenched into their positions like [TS]

01:55:24   it's not a mind changing thing to [TS]

01:55:26   describe someone as like as a idiot me [TS]

01:55:29   like instruct so you should change your [TS]

01:55:30   mind and vote for me it's not a good [TS]

01:55:32   argument is not a good way to change [TS]

01:55:33   someone's actual mind tell you whatever [TS]

01:55:35   stuff done gray well I've started the [TS]

01:55:38   process of applying for my Irish [TS]

01:55:40   passport you really yeah with so I can [TS]

01:55:46   stay the european union's do [TS]

01:55:47   are you able to get an Irish passport I [TS]

01:55:49   am I am so I've got an australian one [TS]

01:55:51   and I've got a UK one but I am eligible [TS]

01:55:53   for an Irishman some I could end up with [TS]

01:55:56   three passports [TS]

01:55:57   I always forget that you have the UK [TS]

01:55:58   passport I don't know why I can't [TS]

01:56:00   remember that i was thinking like oh but [TS]

01:56:01   but but if you get the Irish passport [TS]

01:56:03   just like me you can stay in the UK [TS]

01:56:05   anyway you don't have to go travel to [TS]

01:56:08   the European Union but right you want to [TS]

01:56:10   keep the option of being able to live [TS]

01:56:13   and work anywhere in the EU [TS]

01:56:14   I think it's a stupid thing and like I [TS]

01:56:16   you know I don't really need to do it [TS]

01:56:18   but it just it was just something i did [TS]

01:56:19   on impulse but I'm not the lone ranger [TS]

01:56:22   like the the the Irish authorities have [TS]

01:56:24   actually issued a play to the people of [TS]

01:56:25   Britain to stop applying for passports [TS]

01:56:27   because they're going absolutely [TS]

01:56:29   overwhelmed environment [TS]

01:56:30   oh my god i'm not surprised I'm not the [TS]

01:56:32   least bit surprised at that Ireland must [TS]

01:56:34   be getting swamped with passport [TS]

01:56:36   applications so they go i'm currently [TS]

01:56:41   gathering all the necessary birth [TS]

01:56:43   certificates and things like that [TS]

01:56:45   well I wish you all the best of luck in [TS]

01:56:48   your Irish endeavors [TS]

01:56:49   mmm it could be a long wait by the [TS]

01:56:51   sounds of it [TS]