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H.I. #61: Tesla and King Tut


00:00:00   the day after our last podcast went up [TS]

00:00:03   when I went into print the regular guy [TS]

00:00:06   gave me the coffee's with hot stoppers [TS]

00:00:10   didn't say a word [TS]

00:00:12   mm and now i'm super paranoid that he [TS]

00:00:16   listens to the podcast and that there [TS]

00:00:18   were thumbs in my coffee i will start [TS]

00:00:22   with a very small confession em at risk [TS]

00:00:25   of a reading my has no status [TS]

00:00:28   no I'm sure I'm sure nothing you have [TS]

00:00:31   ever said on the podcast or ever will [TS]

00:00:33   say could possibly road your heart is [TS]

00:00:36   nail States Brady well i guess i guess i [TS]

00:00:39   just want the people at their to know [TS]

00:00:40   that even someone like me as human and [TS]

00:00:42   has my moments of weakness share with [TS]

00:00:44   the group radio my house at the moment [TS]

00:00:48   has been having some work done on the [TS]

00:00:50   roof and there's all this scaffolding up [TS]

00:00:53   the back of the house and my house is [TS]

00:00:54   very skinny but we talked so it's very [TS]

00:00:56   very tall you're looking at you know [TS]

00:00:59   almost five stories worth of scaffolding [TS]

00:01:01   yeah it's forever walking from your [TS]

00:01:03   office down to the kitchen [TS]

00:01:05   I've never seen the roof of the house [TS]

00:01:06   and I thought I should go out there and [TS]

00:01:08   have a look while the scaffoldings there [TS]

00:01:09   so the other day while the the work when [TS]

00:01:12   we hear that was just finishing up my [TS]

00:01:14   said can I go up and have a look like he [TS]

00:01:16   was about to leave but I was basically [TS]

00:01:17   saying on my own am I allowed to just [TS]

00:01:19   got the scaffolding he said yeah you can [TS]

00:01:21   go up but he did warn me that first [TS]

00:01:23   ladder is quite tricky because it's not [TS]

00:01:25   quite long enough it's quite he said he [TS]

00:01:26   described as quite hairy getting off the [TS]

00:01:28   first ladder onto the first level of [TS]

00:01:31   kind of platform then you got to go up [TS]

00:01:32   another ladder up to another platform [TS]

00:01:34   and so you're climbing up the [TS]

00:01:36   scaffolding outside of your house just [TS]

00:01:38   from the garden up the wall that's what [TS]

00:01:40   you're doing [TS]

00:01:40   yeah so he left so I i thought i'm going [TS]

00:01:43   to have a go i'm gonna do it [TS]

00:01:45   mm and I got to the top of the first [TS]

00:01:47   ladder which covers about two or three [TS]

00:01:48   stories to the point where you have to [TS]

00:01:51   kind of maneuver yourself off the ladder [TS]

00:01:53   onto the first platform and and I [TS]

00:01:56   couldn't do it i just lost me there and [TS]

00:01:59   I as I SAT there and I'm thinking I was [TS]

00:02:01   thinking well what would it mean Hillary [TS]

00:02:02   do you know he wouldn't stop [TS]

00:02:04   no he wouldn't breathing but then I [TS]

00:02:05   thought if I fall off here and like I [TS]

00:02:07   probably die it would just be such a [TS]

00:02:09   lame story that I died following up [TS]

00:02:12   scaffolding just like a girl [TS]

00:02:13   look at the roof like soy chicken there [TS]

00:02:16   and then like an hour later I went and [TS]

00:02:18   did it again [TS]

00:02:19   climb to the top and then thought what [TS]

00:02:20   can I can't do it and the scaffolding [TS]

00:02:24   still there now and actually from my [TS]

00:02:26   office which is at the top of my hat [TS]

00:02:27   house you can actually open my window [TS]

00:02:30   and if you maneuver yourself cleverly I [TS]

00:02:32   could potentially shimmy out of my [TS]

00:02:34   window onto one of the platform's mhm [TS]

00:02:37   and then see onto the roof I'm looking [TS]

00:02:38   at it right now it's like it's within my [TS]

00:02:40   grasp and i spent a good five minutes [TS]

00:02:42   half in half out of the window today [TS]

00:02:45   think he do i do it do i do it do i do I [TS]

00:02:47   make this little shimmy jump and again [TS]

00:02:50   at the very last minute I lost my nerve [TS]

00:02:51   and I still haven't seen the roof and [TS]

00:02:53   scaffolding is coming down in the next [TS]

00:02:55   few days so I'm running out of time to [TS]

00:02:57   be a hero [TS]

00:02:58   I don't know if you're aware of this [TS]

00:03:00   Brady but you know you can see your roof [TS]

00:03:02   on google her here and yeah that was [TS]

00:03:05   coming [TS]

00:03:05   do you not the same house gang right you [TS]

00:03:07   want to see it in person right yeah you [TS]

00:03:10   want to like Edmund Hillary ya back into [TS]

00:03:14   the top [TS]

00:03:15   yeah it's a tiny flag and touch it with [TS]

00:03:17   you with your own with your own gray not [TS]

00:03:20   entirely flag i think you know people [TS]

00:03:21   they won't like I take up under the road [TS]

00:03:24   yes yeah that would be glorious [TS]

00:03:28   I think you have to risk your life now [TS]

00:03:30   to get to the the top of your roof to [TS]

00:03:32   plant to plant the flag for all to see [TS]

00:03:35   for miles around in every direction it [TS]

00:03:37   would be glorious [TS]

00:03:38   I don't know what's going to happen but [TS]

00:03:40   it's it's this kind of my failure is [TS]

00:03:42   looking me in the face constantly [TS]

00:03:44   through the window the scaffolding [TS]

00:03:45   saying come on we can do this everyday [TS]

00:03:47   you can't do it you coward [TS]

00:03:50   I'm not entirely comfortable with [TS]

00:03:53   Heights [TS]

00:03:54   uh-huh you might die from the heights [TS]

00:03:56   that's that's why [TS]

00:03:57   yeah I can see that would be that would [TS]

00:03:59   be quite to be quite nerve-wracking [TS]

00:04:01   however Brady and I will just say that [TS]

00:04:03   it's funny that you're mentioning this [TS]

00:04:04   now because quite recently I saw the [TS]

00:04:08   roof of my building because I climbed [TS]

00:04:11   upon it [TS]

00:04:12   Wow yes [TS]

00:04:15   now this is a long story that will make [TS]

00:04:18   very short but falls under the category [TS]

00:04:20   of a thing that you might like [TS]

00:04:22   which I think of as technology bites [TS]

00:04:25   gray in the ass so I had recently gone [TS]

00:04:29   on this epic epic quest to get a smart [TS]

00:04:34   lock for my front door so this is the [TS]

00:04:38   door into my flat not the door into my [TS]

00:04:40   building [TS]

00:04:41   I wanted one of these things so that i [TS]

00:04:43   could just you know they have like these [TS]

00:04:44   proximity sensor so when your phone gets [TS]

00:04:47   nearby like it just automatically [TS]

00:04:48   unlocks the door for you or you can have [TS]

00:04:50   temporary access codes like I decided [TS]

00:04:52   that this was a thing that I wanted to [TS]

00:04:55   get why you laughing why are you [TS]

00:04:57   laughing do not think this is kevin how [TS]

00:04:59   inconvenient a case you're gonna shave [TS]

00:05:01   seconds of a month and how much time do [TS]

00:05:04   you think you spent trying to find it [TS]

00:05:06   already and stuff if you're just looking [TS]

00:05:07   at the pure seconds of my life saved i'm [TS]

00:05:11   gonna say maybe three or four full [TS]

00:05:13   afternoon spent researching and trying [TS]

00:05:15   to find the appropriate smartlock yeah [TS]

00:05:18   that doesn't that doesn't look good when [TS]

00:05:20   you say it like that we're gonna put it [TS]

00:05:21   on a spreadsheet and compare just those [TS]

00:05:23   two numbers very nice sometimes you just [TS]

00:05:25   want a nice toy it's the mental burden [TS]

00:05:27   of it you know that and I'm Way more [TS]

00:05:29   likely to forget my keys and I am to [TS]

00:05:31   forget my phone like the chance of me [TS]

00:05:33   forgetting my phone is 0 and I have [TS]

00:05:35   definitely forgotten my keys on occasion [TS]

00:05:37   like it yeah but but your phone and all [TS]

00:05:39   that technology is much more likely to [TS]

00:05:41   stop working then k in a lock [TS]

00:05:43   well this is where we're going with [TS]

00:05:45   story okay yeah [TS]

00:05:46   continue continue as i continue to look [TS]

00:05:49   at that window at the scaffolding anyway [TS]

00:05:52   it turns out the doors in the UK are [TS]

00:05:54   built differently than doors just about [TS]

00:05:56   everywhere else in the world so like [TS]

00:05:57   smartlock companies just they're just a [TS]

00:05:59   very few options in the UK so i ended up [TS]

00:06:02   getting one we seem to be the only one [TS]

00:06:04   that you could possibly get and I [TS]

00:06:05   installed it on the door and it was [TS]

00:06:06   working and I was like oh wow isn't this [TS]

00:06:08   great like I'm super pleased with this [TS]

00:06:09   but lo and behold something like a week [TS]

00:06:12   later it just suddenly stopped working [TS]

00:06:15   yeah while I was outside the door yeah I [TS]

00:06:18   have a real problem now because last [TS]

00:06:20   time when I had an old-fashioned lock [TS]

00:06:22   and had accidentally locked myself out [TS]

00:06:24   of the house [TS]

00:06:25   I like you would do call the locksmith [TS]

00:06:27   to get my [TS]

00:06:27   self back in and that is one of those [TS]

00:06:29   moments when you see how just like Oh [TS]

00:06:31   your lock is it's not preventing any [TS]

00:06:33   actual burglars like it takes the [TS]

00:06:34   locksmith two seconds to break into your [TS]

00:06:36   house but my smart lock has no lock on [TS]

00:06:39   it right there is there's no there's no [TS]

00:06:41   keyhole to pick it's just a face plate [TS]

00:06:44   right with with numbers on it there's [TS]

00:06:46   nothing nothing to open to all the [TS]

00:06:47   locksmiths were like yeah you're just a [TS]

00:06:49   lot but you're gonna have to breach that [TS]

00:06:50   door so I'm standing outside of my [TS]

00:06:52   apartment sad and thinking well this is [TS]

00:06:54   my own dumb fault and as I was trying to [TS]

00:06:57   think about like I'm gonna break down [TS]

00:06:58   this door thinking about if i can [TS]

00:07:00   actually push open the door with my own [TS]

00:07:02   bare hands [TS]

00:07:03   I then remembered that there was this [TS]

00:07:05   terrifying scary ladder which I could [TS]

00:07:09   climb that goes maybe 15 feet over this [TS]

00:07:14   open stairwell in our building which [TS]

00:07:16   will then give me access to the roof and [TS]

00:07:19   then through the roof i could try to [TS]

00:07:22   shimmy down to one of my own windows [TS]

00:07:25   which I was pretty sure I had left [TS]

00:07:27   unlocked and I could break into my own [TS]

00:07:28   apartment that is what I ended up doing [TS]

00:07:30   climbing out onto the roof of my [TS]

00:07:32   building and shimmying down the roof [TS]

00:07:35   toward my own window to break into my [TS]

00:07:38   own flat all because of my dumb [TS]

00:07:41   smartlock that i bought myself but so i [TS]

00:07:43   have seen the roof of my building [TS]

00:07:44   I think this makes me harder than nails [TS]

00:07:47   than you you know great remember when I [TS]

00:07:49   told you that story about being locked [TS]

00:07:50   out of my hotel room in the mo days when [TS]

00:07:53   swimming across that channel get to the [TS]

00:07:56   other room and the first thing you did [TS]

00:07:58   was like belittle me and tell me it was [TS]

00:08:00   a nothing story and I was an hour and I [TS]

00:08:01   wasn't that great then i could do that [TS]

00:08:04   to you right now but I'm not going to do [TS]

00:08:06   that I think you're a bloody legend for [TS]

00:08:08   doing that you are the Indiana Jones of [TS]

00:08:10   Los good for you i'm proud of you i will [TS]

00:08:14   send you a photograph of this terrifying [TS]

00:08:16   ladder that I had to climb to get to my [TS]

00:08:18   to get to the roof of my building but I [TS]

00:08:20   will acknowledge that this might be [TS]

00:08:22   closer on the end of the spectrum to [TS]

00:08:24   your story about getting into your own [TS]

00:08:26   your own hotel room but I'm not gonna [TS]

00:08:28   lie i felt like Batman for breaking into [TS]

00:08:31   my own flat like this is amazing [TS]

00:08:34   I don't the coolest person in the world [TS]

00:08:35   I great I couldn't thank you [TS]

00:08:38   totalitarian you've inspired me i'm [TS]

00:08:40   gonna get the scaffolding tomorrow I'm [TS]

00:08:42   just going to think what would cgp [TS]

00:08:43   greater that's right Edmund Hillary [TS]

00:08:46   Edmund who [TS]

00:08:47   well you've review of really downtrodden [TS]

00:08:50   me now I was I was like confiding in [TS]

00:08:52   here about a deficiency and you just [TS]

00:08:55   said not only are you deficient i'm also [TS]

00:08:57   i've been up to some mischief [TS]

00:09:02   yeah you always been up to mischief mr. [TS]

00:09:05   Fisher specialty is is causing trouble [TS]

00:09:09   you love wind-ups yeah you love giggling [TS]

00:09:12   while you're doing these things i do I [TS]

00:09:14   don't go just often just to myself [TS]

00:09:17   mm I know I know yeah so among among [TS]

00:09:21   this week's wide apps have been the [TS]

00:09:22   release of our black stump t-shirt might [TS]

00:09:28   even I like mighty was an hour they're [TS]

00:09:30   our black stump t-shirt there there [TS]

00:09:34   there is there is a mighty black stripe [TS]

00:09:35   t-shirt now available in the in the ilka [TS]

00:09:38   very official rice rat and small pen [TS]

00:09:41   t-shirts but because i didn't get your [TS]

00:09:43   approval for this one in any way [TS]

00:09:45   whatsoever i have even put on the [TS]

00:09:47   t-shirt that it's an official say so [TS]

00:09:50   until further notice that the mighty [TS]

00:09:53   black stamp the grand for center and [TS]

00:09:54   Adelaide is the an official tall [TS]

00:09:56   building of hello internet and you can [TS]

00:09:58   get a t-shirt saying so as well now I [TS]

00:10:01   can't even remember why did it was [TS]

00:10:02   because of it was something happened [TS]

00:10:03   that made me do it [TS]

00:10:04   this is exactly you don't even know why [TS]

00:10:06   you do anything right here you know who [TS]

00:10:09   knows how an official teaser to get me [TS]

00:10:11   they just appear greedy just somehow [TS]

00:10:14   we'll them into existence [TS]

00:10:16   what is this another one of the [TS]

00:10:17   teespring ones that is there a time when [TS]

00:10:19   yeah yeah there's a time limit but [TS]

00:10:21   because this part because this podcast [TS]

00:10:23   probably won't go out for about eight [TS]

00:10:24   weeks i'll renew it so people who heard [TS]

00:10:26   the podcast currently scouting have a [TS]

00:10:27   look at it [TS]

00:10:28   yeah that's my reaction cycles eight [TS]

00:10:30   weeks but yeah so have you bought one [TS]

00:10:33   no I have I haven't bought one of these [TS]

00:10:36   ships open fire at what I here on [TS]

00:10:40   official crazy a tall building like I [TS]

00:10:43   disagree with this shirt on on so many [TS]

00:10:45   and so very little [TS]

00:10:47   yeah but all building like tall building [TS]

00:10:50   first of all should be in [TS]

00:10:51   in quotes know what I was gonna have as [TS]

00:10:54   the unofficial skyscraper of hello [TS]

00:10:56   internet but then I went on to wikipedia [TS]

00:10:58   to look up what a skyscraper was and [TS]

00:11:00   although the black stuff does appear on [TS]

00:11:03   some skyscraper websites it cannot be [TS]

00:11:06   classified as a skyscraper that's how I [TS]

00:11:08   we all know which building is the actual [TS]

00:11:11   skyscraper of the podcast right there's [TS]

00:11:13   only one [TS]

00:11:14   the thing about i think is tragically [TS]

00:11:15   for that special a4 paper who has an [TS]

00:11:18   opportunity is the shard if I don't [TS]

00:11:22   think you realize how Mickey Mouse the [TS]

00:11:23   shard is because you've been living in [TS]

00:11:25   London for too long I am perfectly well [TS]

00:11:27   aware of the actual height of the shard [TS]

00:11:29   my point is always that is hugely [TS]

00:11:31   impressive precisely because there is [TS]

00:11:33   not anything nearby but i've said i've [TS]

00:11:35   said before I've been in the shard I've [TS]

00:11:37   been in the Empire State Building have [TS]

00:11:38   been other tall buildings the shard [TS]

00:11:40   feels the tallest even though i know it [TS]

00:11:43   is not remotely as talk to you you [TS]

00:11:46   haven't been the top a willing to pay [TS]

00:11:47   the Burj Khalifa that's about but I'm [TS]

00:11:50   not traveling that far east anymore i [TS]

00:11:52   think the shard now we'll talk about the [TS]

00:11:54   shot another day we can argue about [TS]

00:11:56   skyscrapers but we won't be hard [TS]

00:11:58   thinking about is whether or not the [TS]

00:12:00   tiny black stump is kinda scary but I [TS]

00:12:04   will totally on record here say that I [TS]

00:12:07   was wrong about something because on our [TS]

00:12:10   on our YouTube channel where we [TS]

00:12:13   sometimes release little bits of the [TS]

00:12:15   podcast that have been cut [TS]

00:12:17   I put up a conversation between you and [TS]

00:12:20   me we were arguing about in a listener [TS]

00:12:23   photo that someone had sent in whether [TS]

00:12:25   or not the stump was visible in the [TS]

00:12:27   background and I I will concede some [TS]

00:12:31   people were doing some like CSI in [TS]

00:12:33   aligning of photographs a later later [TS]

00:12:37   after that thing went live and when you [TS]

00:12:39   we put some images side-by-side I will [TS]

00:12:41   concede that would you claim those four [TS]

00:12:44   black pixels that you said where the the [TS]

00:12:46   mighty black stump I was wrong you were [TS]

00:12:48   right it was barely visible on the [TS]

00:12:52   horizon right so like I will totally [TS]

00:12:54   granted [TS]

00:12:55   however what I would really like to see [TS]

00:12:59   is will somebody please take the image [TS]

00:13:03   that Brady has chosen for [TS]

00:13:05   his t-shirt of the mighty black stump [TS]

00:13:07   and put it next to an actual image of [TS]

00:13:10   the mighty black stump because the [TS]

00:13:13   actual skyscraper is a it's a stump [TS]

00:13:16   right that's why we call it that way [TS]

00:13:18   right it is it is barely not a cube [TS]

00:13:22   meanwhile Brady the way you have drawn [TS]

00:13:24   it on this t-shirt it is it is a huge [TS]

00:13:27   building feeling because this is what [TS]

00:13:30   that this is what the black stump dreams [TS]

00:13:33   that it is but it is not that I think [TS]

00:13:36   yeah that's what that's like a look at [TS]

00:13:38   this dirt like nothing about this shirt [TS]

00:13:41   is accurate at all humans what is what [TS]

00:13:43   the black step was to me as a as a boy [TS]

00:13:46   like it's like oh why did I see it's got [TS]

00:13:48   a Wikipedia page now thank you [TS]

00:13:51   hello internet people who really created [TS]

00:13:52   this page is it really but it's a it's a [TS]

00:13:56   hundred and three meters [TS]

00:13:58   Wow 26 floors and just search on [TS]

00:14:02   wikipedia for mighty black sample not [TS]

00:14:03   pulling up anything is it under a [TS]

00:14:05   different name its underground folks [TS]

00:14:06   center now it's not as if that is fun [TS]

00:14:08   but it's got alternative names the black [TS]

00:14:11   stop mighty black stump is a great and [TS]

00:14:13   there was never a mighty in the name of [TS]

00:14:14   the Blackstone okay it does have a [TS]

00:14:16   Wikipedia page i think that you know [TS]

00:14:18   someone on wikipedia should make mighty [TS]

00:14:20   black stump redirected grandville center [TS]

00:14:22   you know no one will notice you can [TS]

00:14:24   totally slipped that in Wikipedia [TS]

00:14:26   editors but it is it is also skyscraper [TS]

00:14:30   page dot com [TS]

00:14:31   mm so take a look at this t-shirt people [TS]

00:14:34   and you decide whether or not there's [TS]

00:14:36   any reality represented on this show I [TS]

00:14:40   don't think you've done a good job [TS]

00:14:41   selling it so i think i will have to do [TS]

00:14:43   with their rather flat sales but that's [TS]

00:14:46   a wrap [TS]

00:14:46   I've ordered what we all know that's [TS]

00:14:49   precisely the reason this shirt came [TS]

00:14:50   into existing really wanted a mighty [TS]

00:14:53   black stump t-shirt and Brady will now [TS]

00:14:55   have a mighty belt Blackstone t-shirt I [TS]

00:14:57   tell you are any Tim's to get a mighty [TS]

00:14:59   black striped asia and take a photograph [TS]

00:15:01   of themselves wearing it in front of [TS]

00:15:03   other skyscrapers are in for some hello [TS]

00:15:06   Internet love i can tell you that right [TS]

00:15:07   now [TS]

00:15:08   so are they are they and for hello [TS]

00:15:10   Internet love will at least from one [TS]

00:15:12   half of Hollywood to Italy with [TS]

00:15:14   yeah i think the other half my ignore [TS]

00:15:15   them completely it [TS]

00:15:17   I don't know what I don't know what [TS]

00:15:19   you're talking about [TS]

00:15:21   along with buddy black step another [TS]

00:15:23   thing which she gave me a hard time [TS]

00:15:25   about you you're worried about nothing [TS]

00:15:27   you did well one of the one of my one of [TS]

00:15:31   my personality quirks that you have [TS]

00:15:33   pointed out is my pen chart for pointing [TS]

00:15:37   in photos pointing at the thing like [TS]

00:15:40   that thing next to me or the thing [TS]

00:15:42   behind me so I took a photograph the [TS]

00:15:45   other day I was in the National Portrait [TS]

00:15:48   Gallery which by the way how good is [TS]

00:15:50   that place I've never been there before [TS]

00:15:52   have you been to the national portrait [TS]

00:15:53   gallery yeah it's been it's been awhile [TS]

00:15:55   since i've been there but I i used to go [TS]

00:15:58   there much more frequently and yeah it's [TS]

00:16:00   a pretty cool building [TS]

00:16:01   yeah what's up I just love the portraits [TS]

00:16:03   i could spend hours in there disagree [TS]

00:16:05   please this is a few great places in [TS]

00:16:07   there to work which i used to work a [TS]

00:16:09   long time ago but it's like a little [TS]

00:16:11   cafe area up on the second floor it's [TS]

00:16:13   it's a really interesting building i [TS]

00:16:14   think it's laid out well liked it and [TS]

00:16:17   and I guess there's portraits in there [TS]

00:16:18   as well I love to i loved I loved all [TS]

00:16:21   the portraits and one of them was of a [TS]

00:16:24   general Montgomery and in his painting [TS]

00:16:28   he's pointing at a map behind himself [TS]

00:16:30   and so I took a picture of me in front [TS]

00:16:34   of their pointing at the picture of [TS]

00:16:36   Montgomery pointing hmm i actually took [TS]

00:16:39   it for you and but then I also put on [TS]

00:16:42   Twitter or Instagram or whatever the [TS]

00:16:44   social media of the day was someone else [TS]

00:16:47   sort of appreciated the métis of this [TS]

00:16:49   so they took a picture of themselves [TS]

00:16:51   pointing at the picture of me pointing [TS]

00:16:54   at montgomery and then and then someone [TS]

00:16:57   saw that took a picture of himself [TS]

00:16:58   pointing at this guy pointing it there [TS]

00:17:00   and it's kind of got a little bit ahead [TS]

00:17:02   now and I think at last count we're sort [TS]

00:17:04   of it [TS]

00:17:05   2221 levels deep of inception where [TS]

00:17:08   everyone's taking a picture of the [TS]

00:17:10   picture before with himself pointing at [TS]

00:17:11   it so it's a it started off was a fun [TS]

00:17:14   picture for your great but it's turned [TS]

00:17:16   into one of these lovely little internet [TS]

00:17:18   thing so I think [TS]

00:17:19   Thank You Tim's for he bring me this is [TS]

00:17:22   an absolutely delightful internet thing [TS]

00:17:25   it's like that we have taken what is a [TS]

00:17:27   break [TS]

00:17:27   ism and turned it into a chain of people [TS]

00:17:31   and i've been i've been seeing some of [TS]

00:17:33   this on Twitter and I like the [TS]

00:17:35   variations that some people have done on [TS]

00:17:37   the theme i guess i saw one person who [TS]

00:17:40   had the picture up on their Apple watch [TS]

00:17:43   and so then is them pointing at the [TS]

00:17:45   picture on their Apple watch like people [TS]

00:17:47   always do incredibly clever things with [TS]

00:17:50   this and I saw that you are trying to [TS]

00:17:54   track this on on your website like you [TS]

00:17:56   put a list of of a whole bunch of the [TS]

00:17:57   ones that you could find like you were [TS]

00:17:58   trying to track the longest chain [TS]

00:18:00   yeah but this this to me seems like a [TS]

00:18:04   super fun [TS]

00:18:05   Tim community thing and also like this [TS]

00:18:07   is the kind of thing where the chain has [TS]

00:18:09   obviously broken off like it very [TS]

00:18:11   quickly ends up branching because people [TS]

00:18:13   are working in parallel to each other [TS]

00:18:15   like I almost always want to see like [TS]

00:18:17   someone map it out like Wikipedia style [TS]

00:18:19   of a link from from each picture to each [TS]

00:18:21   picture [TS]

00:18:22   well I have super enjoyed this and I [TS]

00:18:25   feel like this is the thing that [TS]

00:18:27   everybody can get it on taking a picture [TS]

00:18:29   of themselves with the picture that is [TS]

00:18:32   the chain heading before them like what [TS]

00:18:34   is the longest chain of Tim's that we [TS]

00:18:36   can build I I see no reason that we [TS]

00:18:39   can't get a thing that's a thousand [TS]

00:18:40   teams long there's the reason that we [TS]

00:18:42   can't imagine that canopy track the [TS]

00:18:45   completionist my head's gonna want to [TS]

00:18:47   track that on my blog though and I cut I [TS]

00:18:49   can't devote more time to it [TS]

00:18:51   well you know that's your problem that's [TS]

00:18:53   not my problem [TS]

00:18:55   I want a chain a thousand team's strong [TS]

00:18:59   that's around looking for [TS]

00:19:01   it's totally doable right leg is [TS]

00:19:04   everyone can get in on this [TS]

00:19:06   it sounds like a like a Bible verse or [TS]

00:19:08   something doesn't have a chain a [TS]

00:19:09   thousand team strong like yeah it can [TS]

00:19:12   never be broken [TS]

00:19:13   a change Thousand tubes drug can never [TS]

00:19:16   be broken so sayeth cgpgrey exactly i [TS]

00:19:20   like it i like i love i love this [TS]

00:19:22   internet stuff i love the people thing [TS]

00:19:23   to do it i love the people then had take [TS]

00:19:26   their own fun versions of it like this [TS]

00:19:29   is this to me is just such a pure [TS]

00:19:31   example of Internet delight like the [TS]

00:19:34   internet is always so fun [TS]

00:19:37   whether it's like screwing with [TS]

00:19:38   Wikipedia or making chains of 10 [TS]

00:19:40   sounds like there's always something [TS]

00:19:41   that the internet is up to [TS]

00:19:43   photoshopbattles I just love this kind [TS]

00:19:45   of stuff so the problem is though it [TS]

00:19:47   escalate so much and everyone wants to [TS]

00:19:49   be the person who does the thing that's [TS]

00:19:50   different to everyone else so like like [TS]

00:19:53   so for example one person pointing to [TS]

00:19:55   the picture and their Apple watch [TS]

00:19:56   that's quite cool because it's like a [TS]

00:19:58   different one in the chain but that's [TS]

00:20:00   only call if everyone else has done it [TS]

00:20:02   pretty normal but if every single person [TS]

00:20:04   is trying to outdo the person before [TS]

00:20:06   it's suddenly like I don't know it Lou [TS]

00:20:09   the exceptional losses specialist and it [TS]

00:20:11   just becomes a great big mess of course [TS]

00:20:15   of course be a gigantic matter what can [TS]

00:20:19   you expect it's going to end in a nice [TS]

00:20:22   orderly tiny fashion of course not right [TS]

00:20:24   it's gonna end in a huge mess [TS]

00:20:27   that's just the way these things are [TS]

00:20:28   supposed to go yeah it's gonna be people [TS]

00:20:30   taking pictures of themselves riding [TS]

00:20:31   dinosaurs with pictures in the [TS]

00:20:32   background you never know where it's [TS]

00:20:34   going well there is now [TS]

00:20:36   yeah you know someone someone is going [TS]

00:20:39   to be in the mighty Blackstone taking a [TS]

00:20:40   picture of themselves [TS]

00:20:42   someone's gonna be in dulles like a [TS]

00:20:43   little will hit all the memes will hit [TS]

00:20:46   all the things all the permutation link [TS]

00:20:48   in the show notes beforehand to continue [TS]

00:20:51   this Jane people [TS]

00:20:52   mhm I'm just trying to keep men tonight [TS]

00:20:54   in my head at which wikipedia page is [TS]

00:20:56   going to be locked as a result of this [TS]

00:20:57   podcast today i don't i don't know what [TS]

00:21:00   you're I don't know what you don't know [TS]

00:21:01   if there's always a few victims like it [TS]

00:21:06   but I have okay like I do okay i do want [TS]

00:21:09   to address it a slight think because [TS]

00:21:12   this thing that happens which is yet [TS]

00:21:15   sometimes sometimes i will call out for [TS]

00:21:18   Wikipedia modifications to be made right [TS]

00:21:21   and like I throw my hands up in the [TS]

00:21:24   honors like I don't know who or what is [TS]

00:21:27   going to do these things like I'm not [TS]

00:21:28   responsible i'm just tossing ideas out [TS]

00:21:30   there like I have I have no [TS]

00:21:31   responsibility for what happens they do [TS]

00:21:33   have to say though actually just [TS]

00:21:35   remember have to say I saw shocking [TS]

00:21:40   shocking wikipedia vandalization the [TS]

00:21:44   other day on my own page [TS]

00:21:47   nonetheless holes someone some trader [TS]

00:21:52   replaced the mighty nail and gear flag [TS]

00:21:57   on my Wikipedia page as the official [TS]

00:22:00   flag of the hello Internet podcast with [TS]

00:22:02   the rebel scum flag flag [TS]

00:22:05   oh my goodness that's like that's like [TS]

00:22:08   an idea that's like a that's a capital [TS]

00:22:09   offense in some countries [TS]

00:22:11   yeah I couldn't believe it I couldn't [TS]

00:22:13   believe it looking at my own Wikipedia [TS]

00:22:15   page and like scrolls girl like what is [TS]

00:22:18   this [TS]

00:22:19   that's not the official flag but there's [TS]

00:22:21   a wikipedia with this lie about being [TS]

00:22:23   the official flag on their I could I [TS]

00:22:25   could not believe it couldn't believe it [TS]

00:22:28   is the most shocking vandalism I've ever [TS]

00:22:30   seen on wikipedia say what you will [TS]

00:22:32   about my private life of parentage but [TS]

00:22:33   don't change the flag [TS]

00:22:35   yeah my god but I'm playing it is [TS]

00:22:38   nothing sacred [TS]

00:22:40   the institution of the hello Internet [TS]

00:22:42   podcast that's that was it that was [TS]

00:22:44   democratically and stowed about as a [TS]

00:22:47   side note here I still don't understand [TS]

00:22:49   why hello internet doesn't have its own [TS]

00:22:50   page why it's just on my page like it's [TS]

00:22:52   if i'm going to go for Wikipedia [TS]

00:22:54   evangelization like this is what can we [TS]

00:22:56   got its own page instead of just being [TS]

00:22:57   on my page but anyway whenever whenever [TS]

00:23:00   whenever I do call for changes in [TS]

00:23:03   Wikipedia like we did last time with [TS]

00:23:05   Bhutan where where I made a reference [TS]

00:23:07   about how the disambiguation page did [TS]

00:23:10   not refer to baton and in the way that [TS]

00:23:12   you thought it did [TS]

00:23:13   and then there was a hilarious edit war [TS]

00:23:15   that lasted like 40 edits before some [TS]

00:23:17   before some moderator came along and [TS]

00:23:19   locked it down and said oh no one can [TS]

00:23:21   change this page anymore because someone [TS]

00:23:23   screwing with it without a doubt every [TS]

00:23:24   time I i might cause one of these things [TS]

00:23:27   to occur i do get feedback from people [TS]

00:23:30   who are like you should encourage [TS]

00:23:31   wikipedia evangelization like that's not [TS]

00:23:32   good [TS]

00:23:33   wikipedia is cultural institutions [TS]

00:23:35   should always be protected [TS]

00:23:36   I feel like I i agree with that like I [TS]

00:23:39   agree with that in principle but i also [TS]

00:23:42   think that wikipedia can't protect [TS]

00:23:45   itself from the most minor and [TS]

00:23:47   good-natured of vandalization if it [TS]

00:23:50   can't handle like the tiniest amount of [TS]

00:23:52   good-natured poking then it does not [TS]

00:23:54   deserve to exist so I i feel like these [TS]

00:23:57   these are just these are just tiny like [TS]

00:23:59   almost like build [TS]

00:24:03   up the immune system wikipedia actually [TS]

00:24:05   look it's just so germs you have to be [TS]

00:24:07   exposed to them and you have to be able [TS]

00:24:09   to deal with this stuff rapidly and [TS]

00:24:11   everything will sort itself out like I'm [TS]

00:24:13   always impressed by how fast actually [TS]

00:24:15   some some parent comes along and locks [TS]

00:24:18   down the fun on a controversial [TS]

00:24:19   wikipedia page like I don't know how I [TS]

00:24:21   like I thought no one will ever notice [TS]

00:24:23   that the disambiguation pages being [TS]

00:24:25   screwed with 512 Tim's but it was like [TS]

00:24:28   so fast got lockdown so Wikipedia is [TS]

00:24:30   grown-up it can handle itself people i [TS]

00:24:32   don't know ground and how I feel about I [TS]

00:24:34   I'm kind of I guess I'm in the same boat [TS]

00:24:36   as you but there is that you know when [TS]

00:24:38   there's a big forest fire raging you [TS]

00:24:40   sometimes get troublemakers who go and [TS]

00:24:41   light small fire somewhere else and [TS]

00:24:43   divert resources Fire Department [TS]

00:24:46   resources to put out some little fire [TS]

00:24:47   and it's like hang on guys they're [TS]

00:24:49   trying to put a major fire here don't [TS]

00:24:52   you know don't take them away from the [TS]

00:24:54   job at hand so you know are we sending [TS]

00:24:57   important people that should be looking [TS]

00:24:58   after important pages on wikipedia and [TS]

00:25:00   they're having to go and deal with [TS]

00:25:01   whether or not through tad should be [TS]

00:25:04   called the forbidden kingdom seems like [TS]

00:25:06   air we seem like we're being part of the [TS]

00:25:09   problem and not part of the solution but [TS]

00:25:10   of course we're part of the problem and [TS]

00:25:12   not part of the solution [TS]

00:25:13   I don't think anything part of calling [TS]

00:25:14   for people will not directly of course [TS]

00:25:16   just insinuating but like for calling [TS]

00:25:18   people to screw with Wikipedia pages is [TS]

00:25:20   that is remotely like oh I think I'm [TS]

00:25:22   part of the solution not a secondhand a [TS]

00:25:24   second-minute got a minute ago you were [TS]

00:25:26   talking about how we will be waiting at [TS]

00:25:28   the Immunity we could pay your we were [TS]

00:25:29   like you're talking like we were you [TS]

00:25:32   know that i doing them a service by [TS]

00:25:35   helping them and now and now you're like [TS]

00:25:37   oh you know obviously we're part of the [TS]

00:25:40   problem in the same way that like germs [TS]

00:25:42   are part of the problem right [TS]

00:25:44   what what iiiii don't actually like this [TS]

00:25:45   is it's actually think that I just don't [TS]

00:25:47   know I assume that there must be some [TS]

00:25:50   kind of algorithms that alert people to [TS]

00:25:52   no one has modified the boot on page in [TS]

00:25:55   months and suddenly it's gotten 300 it's [TS]

00:25:58   in an hour [TS]

00:25:58   like I'm assuming that there must be [TS]

00:26:00   some kind of algorithm that alerts [TS]

00:26:01   moderators to something fishy's going on [TS]

00:26:05   over here like I have no idea how [TS]

00:26:06   wikipedia works but there has to be [TS]

00:26:08   automated tools in place to try to catch [TS]

00:26:12   vandalism at this stage like I i I'd be [TS]

00:26:15   shocked if there if there isn't really [TS]

00:26:16   curious now but yeah and i think i think [TS]

00:26:19   wikipedia and it it has to stand up to [TS]

00:26:22   this kind of stuff if it can withstand [TS]

00:26:23   if it can withstand in jokes on the [TS]

00:26:27   hello Internet podcast like it can [TS]

00:26:29   withstand anything now thanks to hover [TS]

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00:26:40   little project I've been working on and [TS]

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00:26:48   seconds later i had diverted to another [TS]

00:26:49   placeholder page it was so simple and i [TS]

00:26:52   think i'm so scared by other domain [TS]

00:26:54   registrar's I actually thought I must [TS]

00:26:56   have done something wrong but I hadn't [TS]

00:26:58   everything was working [TS]

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00:27:33   pretty complicated if you try to do it [TS]

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00:27:52   so go to Harvard calm and if my correct [TS]

00:27:55   pronunciation is confusing some people [TS]

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00:28:14   internet i do I great crowd I wouldn't [TS]

00:28:17   be doing my job if I didn't ask you [TS]

00:28:19   about the New Testament because although [TS]

00:28:20   you would never admit this and you hate [TS]

00:28:22   me saying this but I think you're a bit [TS]

00:28:24   of a Tesla fanboy [TS]

00:28:26   II was I think that that's just a little [TS]

00:28:32   little hunch i have yeah and and so the [TS]

00:28:35   release of this new is that isn't the [TS]

00:28:37   Tesla three is that this sort of the [TS]

00:28:39   other calling it the model 3 the model 3 [TS]

00:28:42   and this is kind of supposed to be the [TS]

00:28:44   every man every woman version of the [TS]

00:28:45   copyright play it's a bit more [TS]

00:28:47   affordable [TS]

00:28:48   they seem to be doing of I some kind of [TS]

00:28:49   glorified kicks data wait wait where you [TS]

00:28:54   where you pay now and maybe get a car [TS]

00:28:56   later if this isn't a catastrophe [TS]

00:28:58   waiting to happen I don't know what it [TS]

00:28:59   is but anyway you have to have faith in [TS]

00:29:01   elon musk a right that's that's the [TS]

00:29:03   thing Brady have eight faith I can I [TS]

00:29:07   think we're going to I think it's gonna [TS]

00:29:08   be the the rocket all over again I think [TS]

00:29:10   it's gonna be it's gonna be granted [TS]

00:29:12   maybe one day good but there might be a [TS]

00:29:14   few bumpy landings first what do you [TS]

00:29:17   mean by the rocket all over again what [TS]

00:29:19   do you mean by that well he's having [TS]

00:29:21   problems with his rockets isn't when i [TS]

00:29:22   try to land on the ship they keep [TS]

00:29:24   falling over and blowing up adam and i [TS]

00:29:26   haven't been following the SpaceX news [TS]

00:29:29   so I am I unaware of that he's had a few [TS]

00:29:31   he's had a few crash-and-burn moments [TS]

00:29:32   who unites good on him get on him [TS]

00:29:36   what do you think of the Tesla Model 3 I [TS]

00:29:39   will confess that yes indeed I am quite [TS]

00:29:42   interested in Tesla that insult you but [TS]

00:29:46   there's something you have picked up on [TS]

00:29:47   which is a thing that i find fascinating [TS]

00:29:50   because i am just not a car person i do [TS]

00:29:53   not care at all about cars but the way I [TS]

00:29:56   always describe test lied to everybody [TS]

00:29:58   in my life is that there's no car inside [TS]

00:30:01   these cars like a test lab there's no [TS]

00:30:03   car here and all of the stuff that I [TS]

00:30:06   don't like about cars internal [TS]

00:30:08   combustion engines spark plugs and wires [TS]

00:30:11   and liquids on the inside like all of [TS]

00:30:14   that stuff is just gone and then once [TS]

00:30:17   you remove all of that suddenly things [TS]

00:30:20   that I find interesting like battery [TS]

00:30:22   technology and essentially like [TS]

00:30:24   computers on wheels like oh that's what [TS]

00:30:26   these car is and so I think it is super [TS]

00:30:29   interesting i think it's super [TS]

00:30:30   interesting i've been really following [TS]

00:30:31   Tesla ever since they did that big [TS]

00:30:33   battery announcement which I know it was [TS]

00:30:35   that two years ago that was really the [TS]

00:30:37   first time it came across my radar that [TS]

00:30:39   they were pushing into this this [TS]

00:30:40   industry of making batteries and things [TS]

00:30:42   and like I find myself in this injustice [TS]

00:30:46   funny situation I like filled with the [TS]

00:30:48   desire to own a Tesla even though i have [TS]

00:30:52   no use for one in my life whatsoever i [TS]

00:30:56   normally never feel this way about [TS]

00:30:58   things like wanting a thing that could [TS]

00:31:01   serve absolutely no function in my life [TS]

00:31:03   but I could I would totally love to buy [TS]

00:31:06   a Tesla and just like have it in front [TS]

00:31:08   of my house and I would just look at it [TS]

00:31:10   like wow look at this Tesla that I own [TS]

00:31:12   but I can't drive because I didn't have [TS]

00:31:14   a driver's license in the UK and even if [TS]

00:31:16   I did I would have nowhere to drive to [TS]

00:31:18   because everywhere I need to go i can [TS]

00:31:21   walk to you but still look at this [TS]

00:31:22   amazing Tesla in front of my house it's [TS]

00:31:24   mine and i own it admit it totally what [TS]

00:31:27   i would do you have a gorgeous car [TS]

00:31:29   that's not a car to go with your watch [TS]

00:31:30   that's not a watch [TS]

00:31:31   yeah exactly exactly it is just so funny [TS]

00:31:36   to be aware of that feeling within [TS]

00:31:38   myself wait think it through man you [TS]

00:31:39   have no use for this is like yeah but I [TS]

00:31:41   totally want one [TS]

00:31:42   I get that I get that I imagine you do [TS]

00:31:46   get that because because you have lots [TS]

00:31:47   of things you must feel this way about [TS]

00:31:48   all the things in your life what about [TS]

00:31:50   how do you feel about the model 3 verses [TS]

00:31:53   that the other ones that are the pro [TS]

00:31:55   versions that are out there are only the [TS]

00:31:58   pro version i don't know i don't know if [TS]

00:32:00   they're the pro versions i feel that the [TS]

00:32:01   model 3 is not as good [TS]

00:32:03   I feel like I feel like the model 3 is [TS]

00:32:05   likely that the 5c of the range who [TS]

00:32:07   those are fighting words they are no I [TS]

00:32:11   could be wrong but I mean I'm happy to [TS]

00:32:12   be told i'm wrong but it just it just [TS]

00:32:14   feels like it's the that you know them [TS]

00:32:17   the one for everyone did you did you [TS]

00:32:20   watch the actual announcement or have [TS]

00:32:22   you just heard about it now I've just [TS]

00:32:23   heard about really no excuse Kim read a [TS]

00:32:27   couple of articles i have to say the [TS]

00:32:28   thing that I think is the absolute [TS]

00:32:30   coolest and greatest about the model 3 [TS]

00:32:33   is when they did the announcement right [TS]

00:32:37   and they showed off the model 3 at the [TS]

00:32:39   at the very end of it the thing that's [TS]

00:32:42   really caught my eye was the dashboard [TS]

00:32:45   of this car just like there's no car in [TS]

00:32:49   the car [TS]

00:32:50   there's basically no dash [TS]

00:32:52   bored in this car like there is nothing [TS]

00:32:54   like a traditional dashboard on the [TS]

00:32:56   front it's just flat and there are only [TS]

00:32:59   two things in there there's the steering [TS]

00:33:01   wheel and there's this gigantic [TS]

00:33:03   touchscreen but there's none of like the [TS]

00:33:06   knobs and dials and vents and like all [TS]

00:33:09   of just the crap that's always at the [TS]

00:33:12   front of a car that caught my eye right [TS]

00:33:14   away and I was like I have never seen a [TS]

00:33:16   more beautiful car interior than this [TS]

00:33:18   one like this is amazing [TS]

00:33:20   bro you're not going to be surprised to [TS]

00:33:22   hear i disagree with your little bit [TS]

00:33:24   because you possibly disagree [TS]

00:33:26   doesn't that look amazing I'm looking at [TS]

00:33:28   it and it looks like it doesn't look bad [TS]

00:33:30   but the problem is i really like car [TS]

00:33:33   dashboards I'll tell your story right [TS]

00:33:36   you know okay you know i like you know I [TS]

00:33:38   like to express myself three stories [TS]

00:33:40   okay okay everybody time to take the [TS]

00:33:42   seat times that getup gather gather [TS]

00:33:44   around Papa Brady again while he tells [TS]

00:33:46   your story this time about a car [TS]

00:33:48   dashboard ok when i was a wee lad my my [TS]

00:33:53   neighbor and I used to get a lift to [TS]

00:33:55   school every day with our friend a [TS]

00:33:57   friend's dad and her friends dad was [TS]

00:33:58   well often had a really posh car and he [TS]

00:34:01   had a car which at the time we called a [TS]

00:34:05   holden holden thing like a make a car [TS]

00:34:07   like afford ok a holden calais em in [TS]

00:34:12   later years I learned that CA el país [TS]

00:34:17   is actually pronounced Calais and has a [TS]

00:34:19   place in France so he actually had a [TS]

00:34:21   hole in Calais and I wasn't I wasn't [TS]

00:34:23   porsche enough to know what that meant [TS]

00:34:25   and no other was my friend so we used to [TS]

00:34:26   say Oh a friend's got a hold and callous [TS]

00:34:28   and we call it that for years [TS]

00:34:30   it's something I've never seen before [TS]

00:34:32   and that was an electronic dashboard no [TS]

00:34:36   doubt not dials actual digital numbers [TS]

00:34:39   that show the exact speed you know 32 [TS]

00:34:42   km/h and I was transfixed by this and I [TS]

00:34:45   would stared and even the fuel gauges [TS]

00:34:48   electronic with let you know little blue [TS]

00:34:49   bars that showed how much fuel you had [TS]

00:34:51   and this was other than Knight Rider [TS]

00:34:54   this was the first time I'd seen a [TS]

00:34:56   dashboard that could do this and not [TS]

00:34:58   right that not right that was pretty [TS]

00:34:59   important to me so from that point on I [TS]

00:35:02   became obsessed with car dashboards [TS]

00:35:04   little [TS]

00:35:05   and I used to get notebooks and design [TS]

00:35:08   the dashboard of my dream car like with [TS]

00:35:11   up with pen and light and are even [TS]

00:35:13   remember I invented a car called the [TS]

00:35:15   zetter on that had this amazing the [TS]

00:35:18   electronic dashboard that I'd that I [TS]

00:35:19   spent hours and hours drawing and then I [TS]

00:35:22   realized like I should probably designed [TS]

00:35:23   the rest of the car as well after I [TS]

00:35:25   spent like five days on the dashboard [TS]

00:35:27   and I was really bad at drawing it [TS]

00:35:28   didn't understand how cars work so I [TS]

00:35:30   just like drew the side of a coward said [TS]

00:35:31   the engine goes here right there are but [TS]

00:35:34   i would spend forever on on dashboard so [TS]

00:35:36   that car dashboards are very special to [TS]

00:35:39   me and I really like them but like you [TS]

00:35:41   know like a mechanical watch so making a [TS]

00:35:44   car that doesn't have a dashboard be it [TS]

00:35:47   be at old fashioned Isles which I've [TS]

00:35:49   probably got more into now because of my [TS]

00:35:51   sensibilities or even a little [TS]

00:35:53   electronic ones like Knight Rider [TS]

00:35:55   it feels a bit said to me to think that [TS]

00:35:57   you can have a car with no dashboard [TS]

00:36:00   I'm sorry your old ways are dying but [TS]

00:36:03   this new dashboard is so sexy like how [TS]

00:36:06   can you be sad about this it's nice that [TS]

00:36:08   they didn't finish it's like I will put [TS]

00:36:10   the dashboard later at the moment but we [TS]

00:36:12   haven't done that yet but for now we'll [TS]

00:36:13   just have yeah I guess no this is the [TS]

00:36:16   thing it's beautiful it's beautiful like [TS]

00:36:18   that Dad don't want to do you want to be [TS]

00:36:20   a bit James Dean or something and have [TS]

00:36:21   you know that's probably a bad analogy [TS]

00:36:23   saying he died in a car crash but yeah [TS]

00:36:25   great grace is that today why don't you [TS]

00:36:27   make sure we're gonna play don't you [TS]

00:36:29   want to be Jefferson Airplane like no [TS]

00:36:30   you don't want to be a bit ritchie [TS]

00:36:34   valens yeah alright it will say will say [TS]

00:36:39   I i do like tears i've been in one and i [TS]

00:36:42   think it was cool when I do like their [TS]

00:36:44   i'm still so envious of the fact that [TS]

00:36:46   you've been in 1i have yet to actually [TS]

00:36:47   well Tesla well will saw that sort that [TS]

00:36:51   out sometime [TS]

00:36:51   yeah I really like one of these days I'm [TS]

00:36:53   gonna take a ride in a Tesla I am I'm [TS]

00:36:56   just dying for that day I have a little [TS]

00:36:57   theory that I want to put on the table [TS]

00:36:59   about this model three though which is [TS]

00:37:02   so as we are recording and you know it [TS]

00:37:06   was just announced whatever was last [TS]

00:37:07   week the week before and is not going to [TS]

00:37:09   be available until next year right which [TS]

00:37:12   which means it's probably not going to [TS]

00:37:13   be in people's hands for like 18 months [TS]

00:37:15   at least [TS]

00:37:16   and so just like with the previous Tesla [TS]

00:37:21   Model ass about that was sold to people [TS]

00:37:24   and then later in its life cycle through [TS]

00:37:27   a software update Tesla introduced what [TS]

00:37:30   they're calling the autopilot features [TS]

00:37:32   and autopilot is tesla's semi autonomous [TS]

00:37:37   driving system so it's the thing that [TS]

00:37:39   allows the car to park itself it's a [TS]

00:37:41   bunch of auto breaking stuff and I think [TS]

00:37:44   most interestingly it is the again they [TS]

00:37:48   call it like cruise control i think for [TS]

00:37:50   legal reasons but it is the self driving [TS]

00:37:52   on the highway thing where the Tesla [TS]

00:37:53   will stay in its own lane and it'll be [TS]

00:37:55   able to drive on the highway i'm willing [TS]

00:37:59   to bet money that this model 3 is [TS]

00:38:03   designed to be a fully autonomous car [TS]

00:38:06   and that that will come in a future [TS]

00:38:09   software update from Tesla like i just i [TS]

00:38:14   would bet almost anything that that's [TS]

00:38:16   the case it like just like with the [TS]

00:38:18   model s where they over engineered it so [TS]

00:38:20   they could introduce more features later [TS]

00:38:22   i'm willing to bet almost anything that [TS]

00:38:24   this model 3 is designed to be like a [TS]

00:38:26   fully fully point-to-point autonomous [TS]

00:38:30   car and that like they will they will [TS]

00:38:33   introduce that in a later software [TS]

00:38:35   update like once it is in people's hands [TS]

00:38:37   I'm i would be shocked if that's not the [TS]

00:38:40   case so i think we might actually be [TS]

00:38:42   looking at the first consumer available [TS]

00:38:45   complete point-to-point self-driving car [TS]

00:38:48   in the model 3 that's but it's just a [TS]

00:38:50   guess it's just a guess but I'm putting [TS]

00:38:52   it out there [TS]

00:38:53   cards on the table cry if you put oppose [TS]

00:38:54   the death i dont have space right that [TS]

00:39:00   you have you have no i haven't put that [TS]

00:39:03   now I haven't put down a deposit but i [TS]

00:39:05   have no parking space [TS]

00:39:06   ok but yet you're not going to get one [TS]

00:39:08   for two years anyway I think you have I [TS]

00:39:13   have no I i have not put down a deposit [TS]

00:39:15   on this one I'm not put down deposit on [TS]

00:39:18   it [TS]

00:39:18   I i like is to go what would i do i will [TS]

00:39:20   i get i have no parking space to put it [TS]

00:39:23   you already told us what you did park in [TS]

00:39:25   the street and admired that I don't have [TS]

00:39:27   a parking spaces out there [TS]

00:39:29   no parking space if it's sort that out [TS]

00:39:31   in the next two years [TS]

00:39:32   yeah i guess maybe I problem i probably [TS]

00:39:34   will move the next two years so i'll be [TS]

00:39:36   sure i'll be sure to be looking for a [TS]

00:39:37   parking space for my debts Allah as part [TS]

00:39:40   of part of my next apartment move for my [TS]

00:39:43   test that will never go anywhere you can [TS]

00:39:45   pack it in my place and come up here for [TS]

00:39:47   weekend I'm not leaving my test laid [TS]

00:39:49   your house that's for sure you can kind [TS]

00:39:52   of gonna leave my precious test let your [TS]

00:39:53   house no way buddy you you put a little [TS]

00:39:57   doggie basket on the inside you have [TS]

00:39:59   Audrey Lulu sleeping in there that's [TS]

00:40:02   what happened to my poor Tesla in a very [TS]

00:40:05   typical greater Brady shift in news [TS]

00:40:08   stories we should move from the [TS]

00:40:10   announcement of a new self-driving car [TS]

00:40:13   maybe by elon musk to the news that has [TS]

00:40:16   been catching my eye on the last couple [TS]

00:40:18   of weeks and this is to do with a new [TS]

00:40:20   discovery in the tomb of King [TS]

00:40:22   Tutankhamen haha oh my god wow you think [TS]

00:40:31   there's a new king tut news [TS]

00:40:34   how can there be how can okay how can [TS]

00:40:36   there be discoveries of things in his [TS]

00:40:37   tomb was this tomb open like a hundred [TS]

00:40:39   years ago [TS]

00:40:40   well let's let's let's start this is a [TS]

00:40:42   tomb of a guy from what 5,000 years ago [TS]

00:40:45   2,000 years ago I don't even have any [TS]

00:40:47   idea is to most discovered in 1922 so [TS]

00:40:51   you're getting to the hundred years [TS]

00:40:52   videos [TS]

00:40:52   yeah so what as a boy cry of course is [TS]

00:40:57   that all the Brady stories start right [TS]

00:40:58   okay i'm asking about years a boy you as [TS]

00:41:02   a boy were you captured by the spell of [TS]

00:41:05   Egypt like i was i was under the spell [TS]

00:41:08   of stargate as a boy about as close to [TS]

00:41:12   being super interested in Egypt as I [TS]

00:41:14   ever got really you didn't you didn't go [TS]

00:41:16   through a phase where you're really into [TS]

00:41:17   like mummies and pyramids and what sort [TS]

00:41:19   of stuff [TS]

00:41:20   no bunch of dead people wrapped in rags [TS]

00:41:23   now you know what I want I want wormhole [TS]

00:41:25   technology that's why that's why [TS]

00:41:27   Stargate with my thing like oh yeah if [TS]

00:41:30   we have to have Egyptian culture to get [TS]

00:41:31   it you know whatever that's a small [TS]

00:41:33   price to pay [TS]

00:41:33   I was not ever into Egyptology as a kid [TS]

00:41:37   you know other than like the most minor [TS]

00:41:39   of passing like interest like Oh [TS]

00:41:40   hieroglyphics kind [TS]

00:41:42   well and I really like lots of kids are [TS]

00:41:45   into it's not like a silly question that [TS]

00:41:47   we've been to dinosaurs a boy like you [TS]

00:41:48   know things like that [TS]

00:41:50   is there a human alive wasn't into [TS]

00:41:51   dinosaurs are awesome [TS]

00:41:53   yeah well they're just like fleshy dead [TS]

00:41:55   animals that don't exist anymore [TS]

00:41:57   how can you justify dinosaurs and then [TS]

00:41:59   yes I monies and pyramids and co because [TS]

00:42:02   dinosaurs like fun monsters Egypt's [TS]

00:42:05   ancient Egypt it's just like ancient [TS]

00:42:06   anywhere else you know it's like a thing [TS]

00:42:08   we did it as humans a while ago it [TS]

00:42:10   didn't last [TS]

00:42:10   I can't agree with you on that i think i [TS]

00:42:12   think just because this age of stuff is [TS]

00:42:14   survived but they're pretty awesome [TS]

00:42:15   culture time anyway I was going to say [TS]

00:42:17   about do you think it is like that's an [TS]

00:42:19   interesting connection to Guns Germs and [TS]

00:42:21   Steel because I think Egypt is an [TS]

00:42:22   interesting culture of like why did the [TS]

00:42:24   Egyptians take over it seemed like they [TS]

00:42:25   were doing quite well but we'll just put [TS]

00:42:26   that to the side of the starters [TS]

00:42:27   mentioned it and then we'll just reckon [TS]

00:42:29   amoooor yahoo right along they had [TS]

00:42:32   domesticated horses quite a long time [TS]

00:42:33   ago I wonder why LOL we gotta go we [TS]

00:42:35   gotta go [TS]

00:42:36   you're arguing the other argument there [TS]

00:42:38   is so for those of you who don't know [TS]

00:42:43   let me quickly run you through the [TS]

00:42:45   entire history of Egypt now for that [TS]

00:42:47   for those of you who don't know anybody [TS]

00:42:49   i'm assuming you have not been to Egypt [TS]

00:42:51   and gray now I'm gonna round trip to [TS]

00:42:53   Egypt is an awesome place to go [TS]

00:42:54   probably not at the moment they've had [TS]

00:42:56   their nose bloodied a little bit lately [TS]

00:42:58   by fewer incidents which hitting a [TS]

00:43:00   tourist trade quite had which also makes [TS]

00:43:04   this story even more interesting but one [TS]

00:43:07   of the coolest things you can see but [TS]

00:43:10   before you continue with the story like [TS]

00:43:11   are the incidences remotely relevant [TS]

00:43:13   because of course as always I have no [TS]

00:43:14   idea what you're talking about [TS]

00:43:16   well there's been some terrorism things [TS]

00:43:17   there's it was a a plane was shot down [TS]

00:43:20   like a plane crash corner in there for [TS]

00:43:23   your Russian passenger plane think so [TS]

00:43:25   never yeah it's become it's become a bit [TS]

00:43:27   of a planned a lot of flights to certain [TS]

00:43:29   areas now been bad by certain countries [TS]

00:43:31   so they're having a tough time [TS]

00:43:33   mhm but they've got some cool stuff and [TS]

00:43:36   one of the coolest places you can go is [TS]

00:43:38   near Luxor which used to be thieves used [TS]

00:43:41   to be that I've been to the luxor [TS]

00:43:43   yes well yes near the top of the city of [TS]

00:43:47   Luxor is it is a place called the valley [TS]

00:43:51   of the kings which for a long time is [TS]

00:43:54   where all of the pharaohs were buried it [TS]

00:43:57   is it's this valley in the middle of [TS]

00:43:58   nowhere it's really hard to get to and [TS]

00:44:00   if you ever want to kill a bunch of time [TS]

00:44:01   on the internet by looking at cool [TS]

00:44:03   websites and wikipedia and reading about [TS]

00:44:05   something [TS]

00:44:05   the Valley of the Kings is brilliant [TS]

00:44:07   because the Valley of the Kings is an [TS]

00:44:08   amazing place a lot of people get [TS]

00:44:10   excited by the pyramids but i think the [TS]

00:44:13   Valley of the Kings is way more [TS]

00:44:15   interesting and like I wouldn't saw the [TS]

00:44:16   pyramids and I were our amazing but I [TS]

00:44:19   was ten times more excited about the [TS]

00:44:20   Valley of the Kings got all these really [TS]

00:44:23   really elaborate terms these tunnels [TS]

00:44:26   with many many chambers are all [TS]

00:44:29   decorated and they were the burial sites [TS]

00:44:31   for all these Pharaoh's and now all [TS]

00:44:33   empty they were there all looted and all [TS]

00:44:36   the stuff was stolen from them or their [TS]

00:44:37   with that later disassembled when the [TS]

00:44:39   Valley of the Kings was kind of shut [TS]

00:44:40   down can you go in them now like when [TS]

00:44:42   you can you can you can go in them and [TS]

00:44:44   in fact it was brilliant when I went [TS]

00:44:46   while I was really lucky I but there [TS]

00:44:47   really early in the morning when it was [TS]

00:44:49   surprisingly empty and they give you a [TS]

00:44:51   ticket and I think you can go in like [TS]

00:44:52   three or four of your choice with the [TS]

00:44:54   ticket I had you choose one wants to go [TS]

00:44:56   into that does sound pretty cool i have [TS]

00:44:59   to admit that does sound pretty cool it [TS]

00:45:00   is it is an amazing amazing place but [TS]

00:45:03   the famous famous story of course is [TS]

00:45:05   there in 1922 this Egyptologist called [TS]

00:45:08   Howard Carter found a tomb that no one [TS]

00:45:11   who knew was there because it was buried [TS]

00:45:13   under rubble and it was really small and [TS]

00:45:16   when they uncovered that the door the [TS]

00:45:18   seal was still on and it was pretty much [TS]

00:45:20   untouched still had all the stuff in it [TS]

00:45:22   that was amazing and it really is what [TS]

00:45:24   really brought Egyptology back into the [TS]

00:45:26   public consciousness and they found this [TS]

00:45:28   tomb of Tutankhamun a fair you know [TS]

00:45:31   they've got his mommy and the famous [TS]

00:45:33   mask and all the gold and all the [TS]

00:45:34   treasures that were in there really [TS]

00:45:36   famous story and you can go into that [TS]

00:45:38   time and i went into and it was Ennis [TS]

00:45:40   and the end of and the reason it's [TS]

00:45:41   different from all the others which [TS]

00:45:42   turns out to be quite important is that [TS]

00:45:44   it's very very small it's just two rooms [TS]

00:45:48   you can stand in basically and then to [TS]

00:45:50   really really small the storage rooms [TS]

00:45:52   off to the side of them so famous time [TS]

00:45:55   tourist attraction [TS]

00:45:56   world-famous treasures that have all [TS]

00:45:58   over the world most of them are in Cairo [TS]

00:46:00   although the mummy of tutankhamun [TS]

00:46:01   himself is still in his time it's one of [TS]

00:46:03   the few things that still in there out [TS]

00:46:05   of respect for for him I guess [TS]

00:46:07   well that's the state of play ok now the [TS]

00:46:11   reason his terms very very small has [TS]

00:46:13   always been quite well understood and [TS]

00:46:14   that is he died very young he was like [TS]

00:46:16   19 years old when he died and most fairy [TS]

00:46:19   spent all their life building their [TS]

00:46:21   tombs that's why they're all these [TS]

00:46:23   elaborate tunnels and things in the [TS]

00:46:25   Valley of the Kings that's what the [TS]

00:46:26   pyramids are basically tombs that the [TS]

00:46:28   Pharaoh spent all his life building for [TS]

00:46:30   the day he died that because Tutankhamun [TS]

00:46:32   died suddenly and young he had built [TS]

00:46:35   these to him right so the belief has [TS]

00:46:37   always been a used another term that was [TS]

00:46:39   already there first probably for some [TS]

00:46:41   lesser person you can read about the [TS]

00:46:44   theories about how these people were [TS]

00:46:45   losing like with janitor's closet for [TS]

00:46:47   somebody else's to work i'll wear a [TS]

00:46:49   beard [TS]

00:46:50   we got various somewhere a bit more [TS]

00:46:52   important than that anyway so it was [TS]

00:46:54   quick and hasty and that's why his [TS]

00:46:55   team's different toward the others and [TS]

00:46:57   it's also because he was a quite [TS]

00:46:58   insignificant king with his little time [TS]

00:47:00   that's why I kind of got lost and [TS]

00:47:01   forgotten and amazingly why you kept all [TS]

00:47:04   the treasures [TS]

00:47:05   so the news that has recently come out [TS]

00:47:09   is this british egyptologist has been [TS]

00:47:13   studying one of the walls which has all [TS]

00:47:15   these nice paintings on it and he [TS]

00:47:17   thought he saw the outline of a door [TS]

00:47:20   there which somehow everyone seems to [TS]

00:47:23   mist for the last nearly hundred years [TS]

00:47:26   and there's now this theory that there [TS]

00:47:28   were these that they refer the rooms and [TS]

00:47:31   what these rooms are on our unknown [TS]

00:47:34   could it be that there that this was a [TS]

00:47:36   bigger term then they blocked off the [TS]

00:47:38   second part of the term and then you [TS]

00:47:40   know did Tutankhamun's little area and [TS]

00:47:43   there's a whole other block bricked off [TS]

00:47:45   to him deeper in or are these just other [TS]

00:47:48   rooms with treasures in them or are [TS]

00:47:50   these just boring rooms that were used [TS]

00:47:52   by the embalmers no one knows and [TS]

00:47:54   they're going in there with radars and [TS]

00:47:55   the theory which are that was an [TS]

00:47:57   absolute crackpot theory a couple of [TS]

00:47:59   months ago and i even said to my wife [TS]

00:48:00   have a breakfast I bet you anything that [TS]

00:48:02   this is not true it seems to be [TS]

00:48:04   gathering more and more momentum that [TS]

00:48:06   there is more [TS]

00:48:08   rooms beyond these walls in [TS]

00:48:10   Tutankhamun's tomb [TS]

00:48:11   now this raises interesting questions as [TS]

00:48:13   well because if there are rooms there [TS]

00:48:15   what do you do do you smash this amazing [TS]

00:48:18   war with paintings on it that's [TS]

00:48:19   world-famous in Tutankhamun's tomb to [TS]

00:48:21   see what's behind do you risk damaging [TS]

00:48:24   the risk damaging this most famous tomb [TS]

00:48:26   in all the world to see what's behind [TS]

00:48:27   and you know and they haven't got the [TS]

00:48:31   best reputation in the world an agent [TS]

00:48:33   for looking after their nice old stuff [TS]

00:48:35   sometimes the Cairo Museum is [TS]

00:48:37   unbelievable [TS]

00:48:38   I can't believe how it's the seemingly [TS]

00:48:40   visual they care for some amazing things [TS]

00:48:41   in there and there's a famous story [TS]

00:48:43   about Tutankhamun's mask itself that [TS]

00:48:45   just came out the last couple of months [TS]

00:48:46   where some work and knocked his chin off [TS]

00:48:49   and then stuck it back on the superglue [TS]

00:48:51   so they're not the sort of people that I [TS]

00:48:53   would want banging around what was [TS]

00:48:55   inside Tutankhamun's tomb so the two [TS]

00:48:57   things i'm wondering here what do they [TS]

00:48:59   do [TS]

00:48:59   and secondly how have they mr. for so [TS]

00:49:02   long [TS]

00:49:03   this is like one of the most famous [TS]

00:49:04   places in all the world even graze heard [TS]

00:49:07   of tutankhamun's tomb shortly [TS]

00:49:09   yeah yeah and and there's some doorway [TS]

00:49:12   well bricked over doorway to a secret [TS]

00:49:14   room that some guy just studying [TS]

00:49:16   pictures has found if Indiana Jones and [TS]

00:49:20   lora craft has anything it's that [TS]

00:49:22   somewhere in that room is a switch to [TS]

00:49:25   open that door [TS]

00:49:27   they just need to look yeah pull forward [TS]

00:49:30   the sarcophagi a little bit need to any [TS]

00:49:33   depress on the cat's-eyes somewhere [TS]

00:49:37   this is somewhere even though it's a [TS]

00:49:39   thousand years old it is some clockwork [TS]

00:49:42   that'll just have that door just [TS]

00:49:45   recessed into the wall and slide over [TS]

00:49:47   oh yeah how awesome is that going to be [TS]

00:49:49   going to be like a scooby-doo episode [TS]

00:49:51   it's just like some curtain that people [TS]

00:49:53   can run through i'm with you on this one [TS]

00:49:55   like that this seems astounding that [TS]

00:49:58   anyone could miss it so astounding that [TS]

00:50:00   I have a hard time believing its true [TS]

00:50:02   like do you have a picture of this [TS]

00:50:04   warlike is I i'm in my mind i am [TS]

00:50:07   basically imagining like a brick wall on [TS]

00:50:10   which you can see the thin outline of a [TS]

00:50:11   door and people like oh no one ever [TS]

00:50:13   noticed that [TS]

00:50:14   q okay that's a good question i'm yet to [TS]

00:50:16   see the picture that shows this door [TS]

00:50:18   outline let me have a look there is [TS]

00:50:21   skepticism about this it could all be it [TS]

00:50:23   could you know what I love and I love [TS]

00:50:25   how Google knows google always knows [TS]

00:50:27   what you're looking for because i start [TS]

00:50:29   typing in King Tut and it goes King [TS]

00:50:32   tattoo secret door [TS]

00:50:34   that's correct google you know exactly [TS]

00:50:37   what i'm looking for at say the big the [TS]

00:50:41   story that's causing all the excitement [TS]

00:50:42   I should have mentioned it is the is the [TS]

00:50:44   uber theory that's most exciting is that [TS]

00:50:46   the tomb and there and there is reason [TS]

00:50:49   this could be true is that it could be [TS]

00:50:51   queen Nefertiti's tomb behind [TS]

00:50:54   Tutankhamun's tomb and obviously she's [TS]

00:50:57   one of the real glamour you know [TS]

00:50:59   oh yeah you're in apps of Egyptology and [TS]

00:51:01   finding her tone would be would be quite [TS]

00:51:04   a find you know all the young Egyptians [TS]

00:51:06   have a pinup of Queen Nefertiti on the [TS]

00:51:09   wall [TS]

00:51:10   yeah well she was this famously this [TS]

00:51:11   great beauty wasn't she say sure I'll [TS]

00:51:13   take your word for that there's this [TS]

00:51:14   like a statue of her that's kept in [TS]

00:51:17   Berlin that's very famous is this sort [TS]

00:51:19   of beautiful one of the more famous [TS]

00:51:20   pieces of each Egyptian relics i'm [TS]

00:51:23   looking here i found a video that shows [TS]

00:51:27   people standing in front of the wall [TS]

00:51:29   where the door is [TS]

00:51:30   yeah and there's this there is not what [TS]

00:51:33   I was imagining and he then outline of a [TS]

00:51:36   door that people don't notice in this [TS]

00:51:37   tank no it's not I mean clearly been [TS]

00:51:40   plastered over i mean like i said i went [TS]

00:51:45   there like that picture looking at with [TS]

00:51:46   his that psycho focused and I stood [TS]

00:51:48   right there and and you missed it and i [TS]

00:51:51   missed it so you know it can't be there [TS]

00:51:53   but like the thought that I that I could [TS]

00:51:55   have built that all that stuff could [TS]

00:51:57   have been on the other side of that wall [TS]

00:51:58   and I was standing right there genuinely [TS]

00:52:00   excites me [TS]

00:52:01   mm and like if they find another tomb i [TS]

00:52:05   was saying if you ever short on time God [TS]

00:52:07   read about value the Kings also go and [TS]

00:52:09   read about Howard character and the [TS]

00:52:11   discovery of tutankhamun's tomb it's [TS]

00:52:13   such an exciting story and there's such [TS]

00:52:15   amazing pictures from the time that it's [TS]

00:52:17   one of those stories from history that [TS]

00:52:19   sends chills down my spine about what it [TS]

00:52:21   must have been like two of shine Shauna [TS]

00:52:24   torch through those first holes that [TS]

00:52:26   they were banging in the wall and say [TS]

00:52:28   he famously saw this glinting of gold [TS]

00:52:30   and someone said you could you say [TS]

00:52:32   anything and he said yes wonderous [TS]

00:52:34   things and then they all the stuff they [TS]

00:52:36   pulled out of that I mean it was it must [TS]

00:52:38   have been like you know this amazing [TS]

00:52:40   Christmas the stuff they found in there [TS]

00:52:41   and to think that could happen again in [TS]

00:52:43   our lifetime genuinely excites me and [TS]

00:52:46   will be such as it was such a boost for [TS]

00:52:48   agent to after recent years i have to [TS]

00:52:50   admit as much as I booty Egypt before [TS]

00:52:52   i'm sitting here thinking could I [TS]

00:52:55   imagine a better place for someone to [TS]

00:52:58   find a secret door than an Egyptian tomb [TS]

00:53:00   and I think the answer is no but if [TS]

00:53:03   there is there is no better place that I [TS]

00:53:05   want to hear the news [TS]

00:53:07   secret door then on Egyptian to write [TS]

00:53:10   that that's just it just worked [TS]

00:53:11   perfectly [TS]

00:53:12   yeah and the idea that this amazing that [TS]

00:53:15   you know I'm sort of getting ahead of [TS]

00:53:17   myself here but the idea that this [TS]

00:53:18   amazing cache of treasures and tomb of [TS]

00:53:21   Nefertiti could be the other side of [TS]

00:53:23   could be you know a few feet the other [TS]

00:53:25   side of a wall that probably millions of [TS]

00:53:28   terrorists have been filing past for the [TS]

00:53:29   last ex years is also quite quite an [TS]

00:53:33   exciting thought so that i get excited [TS]

00:53:35   I'm excited thinking about it it makes [TS]

00:53:37   me want to go back to Egypt yeah you [TS]

00:53:40   know you travel there soon and it is on [TS]

00:53:42   weekend has been talked about for the [TS]

00:53:43   last couple years [TS]

00:53:44   Kuala yeah it's gonna be part of the [TS]

00:53:46   year of fun i don't think it's gonna [TS]

00:53:48   make it into the air fact that i was [TS]

00:53:50   just to me there's just so many things [TS]

00:53:51   to see gray you gotta hold a whole world [TS]

00:53:54   of fun waiting for you in the year of [TS]

00:53:56   fun if even a brand new Egyptian tomb [TS]

00:53:59   can't make it on the list but if they [TS]

00:54:01   find you two might go [TS]

00:54:02   I think you I think you wouldn't mind [TS]

00:54:04   going to Egypt there I i would need a [TS]

00:54:08   good reason to go is there any always [TS]

00:54:12   done we have to be dogging about your [TS]

00:54:14   exciting and different things like that [TS]

00:54:16   I'll see you don't know the national [TS]

00:54:18   geographic channel you will tell you the [TS]

00:54:20   other ones funding it now finding all [TS]

00:54:22   the Raiders there yeah there you go [TS]

00:54:23   perfect [TS]

00:54:24   yeah but you're not seeing a and you [TS]

00:54:26   don't know you don't know what it feels [TS]

00:54:28   like to be in there only get eighty [TS]

00:54:30   percent of the benefit for one percent [TS]

00:54:32   of the hassle [TS]

00:54:33   ok I just that I think I d % over States [TS]

00:54:36   it look at you do get you to get some of [TS]

00:54:37   you do get some of the benefit and i'm [TS]

00:54:39   looking at a photo of the time [TS]

00:54:40   I'm saying how about justified remember [TS]

00:54:42   when I was standing at button but let me [TS]

00:54:46   put it this way Brady even if even if [TS]

00:54:48   let's say I get twenty percent of the [TS]

00:54:50   benefit for one percent of the effort [TS]

00:54:52   still seems pretty good yeah but that [TS]

00:54:55   final ten percent is the best bit [TS]

00:54:57   it's like it's like you're climbing like [TS]

00:54:59   ninety-nine percent of the way man [TS]

00:55:01   Everest you're saying but I'm not gonna [TS]

00:55:02   step on the summit because that what [TS]

00:55:04   time you have a bit and I'm like that [TS]

00:55:05   last steps the one that matters even if [TS]

00:55:07   there's anything that every movie taught [TS]

00:55:09   me is that if hit your near the summit [TS]

00:55:11   but not quite there yet [TS]

00:55:13   don't go all the way I don't know [TS]

00:55:14   although it's now that that is bit of a [TS]

00:55:16   theme of that maybe the alcohol grant [TS]

00:55:18   you that you should turn back [TS]

00:55:20   that's it that's what that movie says [TS]

00:55:21   life lets it turned back this episode of [TS]

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00:57:19   supporting the show great i had a moment [TS]

00:57:22   of joy followed by a moment of sadness [TS]

00:57:24   the other day and this relates to [TS]

00:57:26   cricket you know as you go through life [TS]

00:57:28   like the dynamic of your friends changes [TS]

00:57:30   and you work with new people and you [TS]

00:57:32   make your people and you get married and [TS]

00:57:34   people come and go from your life and [TS]

00:57:35   this is a wonderful and it's also [TS]

00:57:36   wonderful that all these people don't [TS]

00:57:38   have the exact same interests as you [TS]

00:57:40   mm but unfortunately for me that now [TS]

00:57:42   means I've reached a situation for [TS]

00:57:43   various reasons including my own [TS]

00:57:45   retirement as a cricketer some years ago [TS]

00:57:47   that I thought I'd now okay [TS]

00:57:51   uh-huh that I now have quite a few [TS]

00:57:54   cricket loving friends and that means [TS]

00:57:56   when something amazing happens in the [TS]

00:57:58   world of cricket [TS]

00:57:59   I have no one to share it with I have no [TS]

00:58:01   one to talk to haha my wife tries and [TS]

00:58:04   shows a little bit of interest and we'll [TS]

00:58:06   ask a couple questions but she can only [TS]

00:58:09   handle so much because she doesn't like [TS]

00:58:11   she doesn't like cricket right and i [TS]

00:58:14   would love to talk all about the world [TS]

00:58:16   t20 cricket world cup that has just [TS]

00:58:18   finished god it was good i was a cricket [TS]

00:58:21   world cup it was such a great tournament [TS]

00:58:23   gray then I had the most extraordinary [TS]

00:58:25   ending to any sport thing I've saying it [TS]

00:58:28   was like Shakespearean drama it was [TS]

00:58:31   amazing and I can't get enough of i'm [TS]

00:58:33   still rewatching it and reading [TS]

00:58:35   everything about it and reading all the [TS]

00:58:37   fallout and then like I talk to someone [TS]

00:58:39   like you I talk to probably more than [TS]

00:58:40   anyone other than my wife and like what [TS]

00:58:43   can i say to you did your team of [TS]

00:58:45   cricketers win now they didn't even make [TS]

00:58:49   it to the final australia and basically [TS]

00:58:51   the strictest radians got knocked out [TS]

00:58:52   quite early but there were so many games [TS]

00:58:55   that all had so many amazing endings and [TS]

00:58:57   like every game was quite thrilling and [TS]

00:59:00   this form of cricketing [TS]

00:59:02   just called twenty20 cricket is [TS]

00:59:05   different to the normal cricket i like i [TS]

00:59:06   like the really long boring ones that [TS]

00:59:08   you can't believe last 45 days [TS]

00:59:10   Lou but these 20 20 games are sort of [TS]

00:59:12   fast and furious and they're all over in [TS]

00:59:14   two or three hours and there's lots of [TS]

00:59:16   crash bang wallop their more their more [TS]

00:59:19   and more exciting more exciting for the [TS]

00:59:21   other than on purest basically jetlife [TS]

00:59:25   jazzed up cricket that tried to make it [TS]

00:59:27   a bit more sexy with fireworks and more [TS]

00:59:29   Smashing and bashing and I've been [TS]

00:59:31   frowning upon this for a number of years [TS]

00:59:32   now but this tournament turned me around [TS]

00:59:34   because it was just so exciting and it [TS]

00:59:36   was England against the west indies some [TS]

00:59:39   people may not be aware of this but if [TS]

00:59:40   there's one t1 if there's one thing in [TS]

00:59:42   sport i love more than supporting [TS]

00:59:44   Australia its supporting against england [TS]

00:59:47   he has believed everything with you have [TS]

00:59:49   mentioned that it's yeah and then I can [TS]

00:59:51   totally understand the idea [TS]

00:59:53   yeah they call it cause some friction in [TS]

00:59:55   my house I was hoping the West Indies [TS]

00:59:57   would win England didn't starve very [TS]

00:59:59   well [TS]

00:59:59   well [TS]

01:00:00   and it looks like they're working on [TS]

01:00:00   those together LOL just love back here [TS]

01:00:04   just flat like an argument but I'm [TS]

01:00:05   glaring I because i want i want you to [TS]

01:00:07   understand the theater and there is a [TS]

01:00:09   bit of there's a bit of hello Internet [TS]

01:00:11   eNOS at the end maybe depends depends on [TS]

01:00:13   your level of engagement you're gonna [TS]

01:00:15   pick you know my blog yeah it's your [TS]

01:00:18   fault [TS]

01:00:18   everything's always about my level of [TS]

01:00:20   engagement it is it is it is so England [TS]

01:00:27   started badly they fought they fought [TS]

01:00:29   back [TS]

01:00:30   magnificently to the point where they [TS]

01:00:32   had the game won they had the game [TS]

01:00:34   stitched up [TS]

01:00:35   it was it was the far all over of the [TS]

01:00:38   game [TS]

01:00:38   I know you don't know what an over is [TS]

01:00:40   but anyway it was the final little set [TS]

01:00:42   of balls to be bound at the end of the [TS]

01:00:45   game and the West Indies data this [TS]

01:00:46   impossible improbable number of runs to [TS]

01:00:49   win it so it was all over and i'm sure [TS]

01:00:51   all the English people were planning [TS]

01:00:53   their speeches and what dance that we're [TS]

01:00:54   going to do at the end when they want [TS]

01:00:55   and I was already thinking about what an [TS]

01:00:58   appropriate tweet would be for me to [TS]

01:01:00   sort of congratulate England although i [TS]

01:01:01   was seething inside that won this game [TS]

01:01:03   and the guy that was sort of finishing [TS]

01:01:06   the game at the end of the English [TS]

01:01:07   guidance bowler who just had to finish [TS]

01:01:08   the game often and take them to victory [TS]

01:01:11   is this quite polarizing character is [TS]

01:01:14   quite arrogant he's a new kind of bad [TS]

01:01:16   boy here of english cricketer and he'd [TS]

01:01:18   been talking all week about how he loves [TS]

01:01:20   winning the game for England at the end [TS]

01:01:22   and being this guy that comes along with [TS]

01:01:23   the death of the game as they call it [TS]

01:01:25   like a closer in baseball he loves [TS]

01:01:27   coming out here like baseball closer [TS]

01:01:29   yeah like a baseball closer look and so [TS]

01:01:31   he was he was closing the game it was [TS]

01:01:33   his job to close the game right and then [TS]

01:01:35   the most extraordinary thing happened [TS]

01:01:36   with this young West Indian who I'd [TS]

01:01:38   never heard of before I don't even I [TS]

01:01:40   think he's a teenager he did the [TS]

01:01:42   equivalent of hitting a major league [TS]

01:01:45   pitcher four home runs in four [TS]

01:01:47   consecutive pictures he smashed this guy [TS]

01:01:50   for four sixes in a row at the end of [TS]

01:01:52   four sixes while yet a smashed him over [TS]

01:01:54   the fence out of the ground four times [TS]

01:01:57   in a row and single-handedly like won [TS]

01:01:59   the game for the West Indies it was it [TS]

01:02:01   was it was this remarkable finish and I [TS]

01:02:03   was like I've never seen anything like [TS]

01:02:05   it and I was just alone in a hotel room [TS]

01:02:08   and then like but then five minutes [TS]

01:02:11   later my wife did come back to the hotel [TS]

01:02:14   room and I was like you're not going to [TS]

01:02:15   believe what just happened [TS]

01:02:17   it was the most amazing thing and I was [TS]

01:02:19   trying to explain it and I was getting [TS]

01:02:20   probably a similar response to what I'm [TS]

01:02:22   getting from you but she kind of humid [TS]

01:02:24   me and watch the replays as they showed [TS]

01:02:26   over and over again [TS]

01:02:27   mhm and then i just sat on my phone for [TS]

01:02:29   hours just reading every single thing I [TS]

01:02:31   could about and all the responses and [TS]

01:02:33   then all the speeches afterwards got all [TS]

01:02:35   controversial and everything that was [TS]

01:02:36   all it was it was so much you're so much [TS]

01:02:38   fun but the thing that I thought was [TS]

01:02:40   very interesting was the scale of public [TS]

01:02:43   failure that this bowl of this chap [TS]

01:02:46   called Ben Stokes went through [TS]

01:02:48   don't get me wrong he's a pretty good [TS]

01:02:50   cricketer so this is the picture here [TS]

01:02:52   he's called a bottle of he's like the [TS]

01:02:54   picture okay he's the guy who just had [TS]

01:02:56   to keep his cool not do anything stupid [TS]

01:02:59   and win the game and then this other [TS]

01:03:01   this other this other guy came and did [TS]

01:03:04   something exceptional and and won the [TS]

01:03:06   game for his team instead and this guy [TS]

01:03:08   was just on his neighs on the field in [TS]

01:03:10   tears and you know his friends were [TS]

01:03:12   trying to console him a little and was [TS]

01:03:15   literally crying on the field yeah only [TS]

01:03:16   teared up you see the pictures if you [TS]

01:03:18   use google search Ben Stokes I bet [TS]

01:03:21   you're the first three pictures now him [TS]

01:03:23   looking all teary this is going to [TS]

01:03:24   follow him for the rest of his life the [TS]

01:03:26   most extraordinary extraordin real shame [TS]

01:03:29   yeah whatever what I remember you as the [TS]

01:03:33   big cry-baby [TS]

01:03:34   ya like like that and the next day like [TS]

01:03:37   the headline on the back of one of the [TS]

01:03:38   big British newspapers was Ben chokes [TS]

01:03:41   you know it was like it was so he was [TS]

01:03:43   getting everyone's kind of rallied [TS]

01:03:45   around him now and like said you know [TS]

01:03:47   it's a team game the team got into this [TS]

01:03:49   position and you can't blame one person [TS]

01:03:51   for a failure in a team sport and that [TS]

01:03:55   is true and you know I agree with all [TS]

01:03:57   those platitudes that people are rolling [TS]

01:03:58   out but the thing is these death bowels [TS]

01:04:01   these guys that come on at the end and [TS]

01:04:03   make or break game like a closer in [TS]

01:04:05   baseball which you seem to know what [TS]

01:04:06   that is [TS]

01:04:07   which mildly surprised me i don't know [TS]

01:04:11   what i was humoring you breathe are you [TS]

01:04:12   don't know what it claims you all right [TS]

01:04:15   what do ya thing is these these people [TS]

01:04:20   are allowed for their bravery references [TS]

01:04:22   are so brave that he does this for the [TS]

01:04:24   team but the only reason that you are [TS]

01:04:27   described as brave is because if you [TS]

01:04:29   fail you fail in front of a billion [TS]

01:04:32   people and get humiliated like it's not [TS]

01:04:35   brave if that if that's not the [TS]

01:04:37   consequences [TS]

01:04:38   so when when this does happen and then [TS]

01:04:40   everyone piles in arguments is already [TS]

01:04:42   choking you mapped up you should have [TS]

01:04:43   done this you should have done that you [TS]

01:04:45   lost the game for England like I think [TS]

01:04:47   that has to happen i think that's I [TS]

01:04:48   think that is to be expected and that's [TS]

01:04:51   why he was brave because if he filed he [TS]

01:04:54   was going to get this and all these [TS]

01:04:55   people saying don't pick on don't pick [TS]

01:04:57   on Ben Stokes you know he was brave to [TS]

01:04:59   even bowel and you know what no one else [TS]

01:05:01   was coming forward to do it so he's that [TS]

01:05:02   he's braver even trying [TS]

01:05:04   yeah he was brave but he's only break [TS]

01:05:07   because this is what happens if everyone [TS]

01:05:09   just said our daughter i might pat him [TS]

01:05:11   on the back and said well maybe you know [TS]

01:05:13   maybe next year then you're not brave as [TS]

01:05:15   you're having this conversation but i'm [TS]

01:05:17   thinking like how this is starting to [TS]

01:05:18   fall into the world of like humble like [TS]

01:05:21   we went to the word brave even mean it [TS]

01:05:24   has so i just pulled up here and his [TS]

01:05:26   brave adjective ready to face and endure [TS]

01:05:29   danger or pain and I ok alright that [TS]

01:05:33   works because if everybody gets together [TS]

01:05:36   and agrees that we're all going to be [TS]

01:05:38   nice to the final cricket ear who's [TS]

01:05:40   pitching the last inning of the game [TS]

01:05:44   yeah if we're all going to be nice to [TS]

01:05:45   that guy then well it's not bring it all [TS]

01:05:48   to be that guy right that's just we're [TS]

01:05:50   living in a nice happy world without any [TS]

01:05:52   consequences where you know everybody's [TS]

01:05:54   just fine with everything you can only [TS]

01:05:56   be brave if everybody's going to hate [TS]

01:05:59   you for falling down in the last quarter [TS]

01:06:03   of the game then then you can be brave [TS]

01:06:05   Thank You great for humoring me and [TS]

01:06:08   great with me [TS]

01:06:09   did they pay the death cricket ears more [TS]

01:06:11   money like as you get more money for [TS]

01:06:13   this risk [TS]

01:06:13   I don't like what I don't have sport [TS]

01:06:15   quite works exactly that way but it [TS]

01:06:18   you'll be doing i like it should [TS]

01:06:20   it seems i don't see but it seems like a [TS]

01:06:21   totally should he will be doing ok I [TS]

01:06:23   don't think he'll need to start patreon [TS]

01:06:25   anytime site that's that's not about [TS]

01:06:28   it's not about its about his [TS]

01:06:29   his relative risk and reward compared to [TS]

01:06:31   the rest of his team [TS]

01:06:33   yeah well he is one of the stoplights of [TS]

01:06:35   the type so I'm sure he has been a pain [TS]

01:06:38   cricketers different rates is it like [TS]

01:06:40   yeah yeah and yeah yeah of course dr. [TS]

01:06:42   oscar winner yes of course you do say [TS]

01:06:44   cricketers just to want me update you do [TS]

01:06:46   know that's not the word I'm sure that's [TS]

01:06:48   a windup don't know what's the word [TS]

01:06:49   that's a cricketer now I like cricket or [TS]

01:06:53   better [TS]

01:06:53   yeah I like cricket you're much better [TS]

01:06:57   one of these days we're going to sit [TS]

01:06:58   down with a few beers and watch your day [TS]

01:07:00   of Test cricket and i'm going to talk [TS]

01:07:01   you through all the nuances of that we [TS]

01:07:04   will we will that has legitimately that [TS]

01:07:06   has legitimately been on our to-do list [TS]

01:07:08   for quite some time so here's my [TS]

01:07:10   question for you though [TS]

01:07:11   do you want to watch you die of test [TS]

01:07:13   cricket which is the one where they all [TS]

01:07:15   wear white and the game last five days [TS]

01:07:17   and it's all very slow and technical or [TS]

01:07:21   do you want to watch the crash bang [TS]

01:07:22   wallop of twenty20 where they wear color [TS]

01:07:24   and smash the ball over the fence all [TS]

01:07:26   the time [TS]

01:07:27   wait you they don't wear color in the [TS]

01:07:30   other one is that one of the key [TS]

01:07:32   distinguishing features [TS]

01:07:33   yeah in in Test cricket both teams just [TS]

01:07:36   wear or what huh [TS]

01:07:38   and quite often the same color hats as [TS]

01:07:40   well doux-doux both teams wear all white [TS]

01:07:45   yes how do you tell them apart won tames [TS]

01:07:48   the batting team and won tames the [TS]

01:07:49   bowling tape so they're not both on the [TS]

01:07:51   field at the same time running around [TS]

01:07:54   well someone's running around someone [TS]

01:07:55   runs back of our whatever i don't [TS]

01:07:57   understand how he fits in reply feel [TS]

01:08:00   like it might be in my mind like I was [TS]

01:08:02   just it's baseball but somehow different [TS]

01:08:04   and slow and I don't understand [TS]

01:08:07   precisely what's going on [TS]

01:08:09   you have much to learn you have much to [TS]

01:08:11   their i know i feel i feel like you're a [TS]

01:08:13   young apprentice about to be taken under [TS]

01:08:16   my wing and sold in the ways of cricket [TS]

01:08:18   if i'm going to actually go with you to [TS]

01:08:22   a game of cricket it feels like we might [TS]

01:08:24   as well do the long cricket game but [TS]

01:08:26   with the asterisk of I make no promises [TS]

01:08:29   about lasting more than one day [TS]

01:08:31   recognize that fairy left but apparently [TS]

01:08:34   I'm a little bit proud that you chose [TS]

01:08:36   that one [TS]

01:08:37   i'm also not surprised because i think i [TS]

01:08:39   think the fast-paced game with all the [TS]

01:08:41   excitement would be a bit much for you [TS]

01:08:43   gentle disposition yeah the house is [TS]

01:08:46   certainly the way you described it [TS]

01:08:48   sounds like you have 10,000 things to [TS]

01:08:50   explain as well so if the fast game is [TS]

01:08:52   going really fast [TS]

01:08:53   you know I might not be able to keep up [TS]

01:08:55   might not be no about sometimes in quiet [TS]

01:08:57   moments I think about like the fact we [TS]

01:08:59   might do a cricket podcast one day and I [TS]

01:09:01   think how would I start describing [TS]

01:09:02   cricket how would I take someone who [TS]

01:09:04   knows nothing about how the game works [TS]

01:09:06   and it gets it really escalates quickly [TS]

01:09:09   even just in my head like you and like I [TS]

01:09:13   haven't even started and i have haha [TS]

01:09:14   what about this and eventually i just [TS]

01:09:17   have to a bad to that in my head so I [TS]

01:09:18   don't know how it's going to work for [TS]

01:09:19   real it's gonna be one Tadius podcast [TS]

01:09:22   this is like so many projects that were [TS]

01:09:24   so many things that you try to explain [TS]

01:09:25   where you realize they're just [TS]

01:09:26   completely interconnected like I can [TS]

01:09:29   easily imagine that in in a in a game [TS]

01:09:31   like cricket or any kind of sporting [TS]

01:09:33   game [TS]

01:09:33   the reason that everyone is doing [TS]

01:09:35   everything has 10 reasons so it's hard [TS]

01:09:37   to know where to start with whatever is [TS]

01:09:40   occurring but someday Brady we will do [TS]

01:09:43   that cricket earring podcast we came [TS]

01:09:46   close that one time you got tickets for [TS]

01:09:47   everyone so i can't remember why I [TS]

01:09:48   didn't end up showing up but we will do [TS]

01:09:51   it at some point we will not thank you [TS]

01:09:55   for that guy you you you took on the the [TS]

01:09:58   wife row admirably there well I talked [TS]

01:10:00   about cricket for Taylor I i wished i [TS]

01:10:02   had the ability to ask more questions to [TS]

01:10:04   humor you but i do not i'm i'm very glad [TS]

01:10:06   that your cricket world cup game was [TS]

01:10:08   super exciting reading it was a was [TS]

01:10:10   amazing [TS]

01:10:11   commiserations England on that [TS]

01:10:13   humiliating loss this week's episode is [TS]

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01:11:57   show so you had a thing that you want to [TS]

01:12:01   discuss Brady I mean this seems like [TS]

01:12:03   it's something that's more any your [TS]

01:12:06   wheelhouse than mine in some ways but it [TS]

01:12:09   was brought to my attention because of [TS]

01:12:10   an article that was written by an old [TS]

01:12:11   friend of mine actually for a throw a [TS]

01:12:14   website or a newspaper in Vietnam of all [TS]

01:12:16   places where he lives and others in [TS]

01:12:20   Vietnam [TS]

01:12:20   yeah yeah that's why all the people who [TS]

01:12:22   are quoted in the article Vietnam based [TS]

01:12:24   but he wrote an article and we we won't [TS]

01:12:27   go into it much data i will put a link [TS]

01:12:29   in the show notes but basically the main [TS]

01:12:31   thrust of the article is about spec [TS]

01:12:35   working should people work for free [TS]

01:12:38   hmm and this is a this is an issue that [TS]

01:12:41   is of interest both of us I guess [TS]

01:12:45   yes this has been our topic list for [TS]

01:12:47   quite awhile in in one way or another [TS]

01:12:51   yeah because i think if you work in in [TS]

01:12:55   any kind of creative field at all this [TS]

01:12:59   this idea of working for free is a thing [TS]

01:13:02   that is unavoidable in one form or [TS]

01:13:05   another like it its it's going to come [TS]

01:13:08   and occasionally arguments about it [TS]

01:13:11   erupts on the internet and in other [TS]

01:13:14   places [TS]

01:13:15   mm so you your your friends article let [TS]

01:13:18   me share them it let me shout out his [TS]

01:13:20   name [TS]

01:13:20   yeah Johnny Aspen how you doing mate [TS]

01:13:22   because you know what [TS]

01:13:24   hey I saw the article he wrote just now [TS]

01:13:26   by Facebook and I i actually messaged [TS]

01:13:29   him and said I really enjoyed your [TS]

01:13:30   article job good stuff and then he [TS]

01:13:33   misses me I'd spoken to him for about [TS]

01:13:34   three or four years and he messaged me [TS]

01:13:36   back and said that's great timing i was [TS]

01:13:38   just listening to your podcast and I [TS]

01:13:40   didn't even listen to the podcast so [TS]

01:13:42   share that job if you're listening to [TS]

01:13:44   their to the podcast [TS]

01:13:46   hi Jon you're at him your tip so anyway [TS]

01:13:51   the thing that got John writing the [TS]

01:13:53   article originally was a video that's [TS]

01:13:56   been doing the rounds about not doing [TS]

01:13:58   spec work i think it was made by an [TS]

01:14:00   advertising company [TS]

01:14:02   mm and the underlying message of this [TS]

01:14:03   video supposedly is you know don't work [TS]

01:14:07   for free [TS]

01:14:07   other people to work for free why should [TS]

01:14:09   you just about two million views right [TS]

01:14:12   now so it's been that has been is widely [TS]

01:14:14   widely viewed video for for those who [TS]

01:14:19   are perhaps unaware that this thing that [TS]

01:14:21   that some companies do like so many they [TS]

01:14:23   talk about spec work it is not uncommon [TS]

01:14:28   for large companies to ask creative [TS]

01:14:33   workers to produce work for literally [TS]

01:14:37   nothing on the promise of maybe getting [TS]

01:14:40   future work so speculative yeah it is it [TS]

01:14:44   is speculative warcraft that's what the [TS]

01:14:46   speck is short for so like for example [TS]

01:14:49   if if you're making a video you can ask [TS]

01:14:52   for spec work for the music from people [TS]

01:14:55   and say like oh just score this video [TS]

01:14:58   and if I like the work that you've done [TS]

01:15:01   maybe i'll hire you in the future right [TS]

01:15:04   and you would ask several people [TS]

01:15:06   basically to do this kind of thing and [TS]

01:15:09   there and there are I think somewhat [TS]

01:15:10   controversially some websites that are [TS]

01:15:13   built on this whole platform so probably [TS]

01:15:16   the biggest one in this field is [TS]

01:15:18   99designs so 99designs is an example of [TS]

01:15:22   this kind of thing where like let's say [TS]

01:15:26   for let's say just throwing an idea here [TS]

01:15:29   Brady let's say you were starting a new [TS]

01:15:30   YouTube channel unlikely but let's [TS]

01:15:33   imagine that that is that what happens [TS]

01:15:34   to it happens from time to time happens [TS]

01:15:36   from time to time [TS]

01:15:37   yeah and you wanted to create a new logo [TS]

01:15:42   for that channel [TS]

01:15:44   ok you could go to 99designs and their [TS]

01:15:48   other websites like this but me and [TS]

01:15:50   basically say hey I'm looking for a logo [TS]

01:15:52   and a whole bunch of people on the [TS]

01:15:55   website are then competing to make logos [TS]

01:16:00   for you and that this is a spec work so [TS]

01:16:02   you might get back like a hundred [TS]

01:16:04   different logos and then you're [TS]

01:16:07   selecting of all of those people one of [TS]

01:16:10   them to actually pay and to use the logo [TS]

01:16:13   so this is another kind of version of [TS]

01:16:15   how spec work world works in the [TS]

01:16:17   creative field of like do a thing [TS]

01:16:20   maybe we will pay you but maybe we won't [TS]

01:16:22   because we're just going to select [TS]

01:16:24   somebody else in stomach [TS]

01:16:26   these are sort of Jesus it's a subtle [TS]

01:16:28   difference but there are two different [TS]

01:16:30   models going on here on there one is do [TS]

01:16:32   the work for free and maybe i'll give [TS]

01:16:34   the other work one day and the other one [TS]

01:16:36   is get a whole bunch of people to do the [TS]

01:16:37   work for free and then pay the winner [TS]

01:16:39   right i think they're two different [TS]

01:16:41   things going on there and I think they [TS]

01:16:43   should be treated differently anciently [TS]

01:16:44   they're different i don't know in my in [TS]

01:16:47   my mind there just I feel like they're [TS]

01:16:49   two sides of the same coin but in both [TS]

01:16:52   cases you is a creative person are [TS]

01:16:55   rolling the dice on will there or will [TS]

01:16:58   there not be money [TS]

01:16:59   yeah but in one case your work never [TS]

01:17:02   sees the light of day and in the other [TS]

01:17:04   case it does see the light of day and [TS]

01:17:06   you get money for it so i don't know i [TS]

01:17:09   think of a bit different I think it's [TS]

01:17:11   like one of those like a job interview [TS]

01:17:13   isn't it like and if you don't get the [TS]

01:17:15   job you don't get the job like if I [TS]

01:17:17   spent three weeks preparing for a job [TS]

01:17:18   interview and I don't get that job then [TS]

01:17:21   I can't say to the person well give me [TS]

01:17:23   three weeks of pay for the time i spent [TS]

01:17:25   preparing for the job so I guess [TS]

01:17:29   but what's the difference between sort [TS]

01:17:30   of a job interview and trying to show [TS]

01:17:32   someone you're good enough and just [TS]

01:17:35   being just doing work that gets used to [TS]

01:17:38   not being paid well the like this is [TS]

01:17:40   this is where this whole thing gets [TS]

01:17:42   super complicated really yeah right [TS]

01:17:44   because you start trying to think about [TS]

01:17:46   it in terms of job interviews and I [TS]

01:17:48   think this is part of the reason why [TS]

01:17:50   bring up this video in particular as a [TS]

01:17:54   thing that we want to discuss in in the [TS]

01:17:56   context of doing free work is this is an [TS]

01:17:59   example of trying to think about things [TS]

01:18:02   in in terms of analogies and and and [TS]

01:18:05   what I think is occurring here is like [TS]

01:18:08   there's there is something about [TS]

01:18:11   creative work that is different from [TS]

01:18:16   many other kinds of work and if you have [TS]

01:18:20   you had to think about it be like if I [TS]

01:18:22   was asked me what list some things that [TS]

01:18:24   you think are different about creative [TS]

01:18:26   work than sort of standard work what [TS]

01:18:27   would you put on that list creative work [TS]

01:18:29   doesn't require qualifications sometimes [TS]

01:18:32   whereas some types of other work that [TS]

01:18:35   you don't associate spec work to like a [TS]

01:18:37   doctor so perfect i think that is that [TS]

01:18:39   that's one of the things that would [TS]

01:18:40   definitely lists as I'm thinking [TS]

01:18:42   everything that makes it different [TS]

01:18:43   there's no qualifications required you [TS]

01:18:45   know nobody cares if you went to art [TS]

01:18:47   school they care if you can paint [TS]

01:18:49   whereas i do care if my doctor went to [TS]

01:18:51   medical school [TS]

01:18:52   quite often and again again there are [TS]

01:18:54   exceptions to this as well quite often I [TS]

01:18:56   say she ate a physical item with a non [TS]

01:18:59   creative work like someone giving you a [TS]

01:19:02   screwdriver as opposed to someone [TS]

01:19:04   designing a logo and i know some [TS]

01:19:06   creative work as a physical and but i [TS]

01:19:10   agree tons of creative work i think we [TS]

01:19:12   can fairly say the overwhelming majority [TS]

01:19:15   of creative work in the modern world is [TS]

01:19:17   non-tangible right especially for stuff [TS]

01:19:21   that we're talking about with spec work [TS]

01:19:23   like in in this case like people are [TS]

01:19:25   producing music people are producing [TS]

01:19:27   artwork people are producing writing [TS]

01:19:29   they are not producing screwdrivers they [TS]

01:19:33   are not producing dining room furniture [TS]

01:19:35   sets i like that the those are different [TS]

01:19:39   things that are occurring [TS]

01:19:40   there's one other thing that I'm [TS]

01:19:42   thinking of which makes creative work [TS]

01:19:43   different from other work which is that [TS]

01:19:45   times of people want to do it runs of [TS]

01:19:50   people wants to work in creative fields [TS]

01:19:56   yeah if you did carving up broad sectors [TS]

01:19:59   of the economy and you say like service [TS]

01:20:03   work in a white collar work creative [TS]

01:20:06   working like these broad broad swaths of [TS]

01:20:09   the of the working world i think there [TS]

01:20:11   is no part where supply and demand or [TS]

01:20:16   more mismatched right like the number of [TS]

01:20:19   people who would love to be poets [TS]

01:20:21   professionally is large and the number [TS]

01:20:24   of people who can be professional poets [TS]

01:20:27   is like to write like this is this just [TS]

01:20:31   a huge this match with that I heard you [TS]

01:20:33   make a little sound do you think they're [TS]

01:20:35   more than 24 friend I I ya know i'm [TS]

01:20:39   trying to think of the two like I was [TS]

01:20:40   getting ok i call Maya Angelou and now [TS]

01:20:42   you name one other thing that has the [TS]

01:20:45   power lori at the moment in the UK [TS]

01:20:48   I hope it's not the one you just named [TS]

01:20:50   there you go right yeah i think these [TS]

01:20:55   factors together tell you something [TS]

01:21:00   about why is it that spec work can even [TS]

01:21:04   exist in the first place [TS]

01:21:06   why is there a sector of the economy [TS]

01:21:08   where companies can say do work for us [TS]

01:21:13   on the promise of no money and people do [TS]

01:21:18   it [TS]

01:21:18   yeah i think i think this is one of the [TS]

01:21:21   keys you don't have physical [TS]

01:21:24   manufacturing costs there are no [TS]

01:21:27   qualifications because your work is the [TS]

01:21:30   qualification itself and there is also a [TS]

01:21:34   huge number of people who want to work [TS]

01:21:37   in this field I think those three things [TS]

01:21:41   combined are the reason that spec work [TS]

01:21:44   can exist [TS]

01:21:45   I'm not saying that's an argument for [TS]

01:21:47   why it should exist or if it is good or [TS]

01:21:50   bad [TS]

01:21:50   we're simply saying like why can this [TS]

01:21:54   exists because i think if you had a [TS]

01:21:56   situation where something like say [TS]

01:21:58   McDonald said we would just love people [TS]

01:22:00   to come in and just work for us for free [TS]

01:22:03   no one's gonna do that she's not gonna [TS]

01:22:05   happen but you can be a company and say [TS]

01:22:08   create artwork for us or write for us or [TS]

01:22:11   do any of this kind of stuff and people [TS]

01:22:12   will do it for free on the promise of [TS]

01:22:17   maybe money or even just the promise of [TS]

01:22:20   exposure for the promise of building a [TS]

01:22:24   resume at all like that's why this can [TS]

01:22:26   happen in a in a way that it just [TS]

01:22:29   doesn't happen to such a large extent in [TS]

01:22:31   other sectors of the economy i agree [TS]

01:22:34   with you go so so the million-dollar [TS]

01:22:36   question then is should exist is a good [TS]

01:22:40   or bad I mean you've you've sat on the [TS]

01:22:42   fence and just laid out the the current [TS]

01:22:44   climate there are some people i mean [TS]

01:22:47   there are lots of people who do it [TS]

01:22:48   there are lots of people who ask for it [TS]

01:22:50   to be done there are people who campaign [TS]

01:22:52   against and who think it's this [TS]

01:22:54   insidious practice where do you see on [TS]

01:22:57   this spectrum we watch this video before [TS]

01:23:02   the same respect video it kind of rubbed [TS]

01:23:06   me the wrong way [TS]

01:23:08   so what's occurring in this video is [TS]

01:23:09   there's a guy who's going around and [TS]

01:23:12   he's asking a bunch of people to do work [TS]

01:23:15   for him for free people in non-creative [TS]

01:23:17   jobs well that's exactly it right that [TS]

01:23:20   Yankee so he goes into a restaurant and [TS]

01:23:22   he's asking for a free breakfast he goes [TS]

01:23:25   to a personal trainer and he's saying oh [TS]

01:23:27   we don't train me for free for a month [TS]

01:23:28   and maybe i'll use you as my trainer in [TS]

01:23:31   the future he goes around to a whole [TS]

01:23:33   bunch of different people that's like [TS]

01:23:36   after a picture framer yeah that's right [TS]

01:23:39   doctor for my coffee shop [TS]

01:23:41   yeah yeah he's asking for all of these [TS]

01:23:43   things for free on spec work the video [TS]

01:23:46   noisey undone to level it annoys me [TS]

01:23:48   because 1i think it is using the [TS]

01:23:50   standard Brady tactic of a misapplied [TS]

01:23:52   analogy right then like they are [TS]

01:23:54   intentionally selecting careers for [TS]

01:23:57   which it is insane to imagine [TS]

01:23:59   expect work could possibly exist is not [TS]

01:24:02   going to occur because the economic [TS]

01:24:04   situation just look like the guy's not [TS]

01:24:06   gonna give you a free breakfast because [TS]

01:24:08   it doesn't just pasta in his time to [TS]

01:24:10   make the breakfast it cost him materials [TS]

01:24:13   to make the breakfast right it's just [TS]

01:24:15   it's just not comparable [TS]

01:24:16   this is that and and he's not going to [TS]

01:24:18   land a hundred-thousand-dollar breakfast [TS]

01:24:20   contract the next day because he made [TS]

01:24:22   you one good breakfast right exactly [TS]

01:24:24   like the upside for him is that maybe [TS]

01:24:26   you get one breakfast a week in the [TS]

01:24:27   future it's like there's no upside and [TS]

01:24:30   guarantee get a failure right [TS]

01:24:32   the second thing that bothers me and I [TS]

01:24:34   think this is where the question about [TS]

01:24:37   working for free gets complicated fast [TS]

01:24:39   is that he is going to people who [TS]

01:24:43   already have profitable businesses [TS]

01:24:48   yeah like that is the assumption here [TS]

01:24:50   right that he is going to someone who [TS]

01:24:52   works all day as a picture framer who [TS]

01:24:55   works all day in a restaurant in a [TS]

01:24:57   restaurant that exists so its profitable [TS]

01:24:59   like he's going to this gym that exists [TS]

01:25:02   that is presumably already profitable [TS]

01:25:04   and so I think not only is it a [TS]

01:25:06   misapplied analogy but it's also missing [TS]

01:25:09   a fundamental difference in the creative [TS]

01:25:12   world about like established [TS]

01:25:15   professionals or new people in the in [TS]

01:25:18   the world and so like it's wrong it's [TS]

01:25:21   wrong in its argument in every way that [TS]

01:25:25   it possibly can be [TS]

01:25:26   now I think you again you can build an [TS]

01:25:28   argument against spec work but this is [TS]

01:25:30   like the most disingenuous way to [TS]

01:25:33   possibly try to do that [TS]

01:25:35   yeah and he gets an advertising company [TS]

01:25:36   that made this ad and you can and [TS]

01:25:39   they're the one group are looking at [TS]

01:25:40   spec were completely differently i'll [TS]

01:25:42   tell you what bothers me about the ad as [TS]

01:25:43   well [TS]

01:25:44   probably the one occupation that didn't [TS]

01:25:45   sit right with me was the the fitness [TS]

01:25:48   instructor because he's saying give me a [TS]

01:25:50   free fitness lesson and if I like her [TS]

01:25:52   out do some more and the fitness [TS]

01:25:53   instructors like no way man that's not [TS]

01:25:55   how I work [TS]

01:25:55   the funny thing is that is how fitness [TS]

01:25:57   instructors work and they all the time [TS]

01:25:59   to free lessons for people in the hope [TS]

01:26:00   of getting a business yet like and most [TS]

01:26:02   gyms you can go and do like a free half [TS]

01:26:04   hour session with the instructor to see [TS]

01:26:06   if you like them and my gym actually has [TS]

01:26:08   a mandatory free Fitness instruction as [TS]

01:26:12   part of becoming [TS]

01:26:13   Jim yeah like you can't you can't join [TS]

01:26:15   the gym unless you give us an [TS]

01:26:17   opportunity to freely pitch our services [TS]

01:26:19   to you [TS]

01:26:20   yeah and it was the one that didn't sit [TS]

01:26:21   right in like the whole the occupations [TS]

01:26:25   that were showcasing as well because [TS]

01:26:26   sort of being a fitness instructor is a [TS]

01:26:28   little bit more like a creative [TS]

01:26:30   occupation then you know making [TS]

01:26:32   breakfast probably nonsense to all the [TS]

01:26:34   brilliant cooks out there but it was the [TS]

01:26:37   one that seemed a bit more like it [TS]

01:26:38   didn't belong and funnily enough it's [TS]

01:26:40   also the one that doesn't fit with my [TS]

01:26:41   experience of reality i have had afraid [TS]

01:26:44   fitness and I've never had a free coffee [TS]

01:26:46   on spec but here's what I want people to [TS]

01:26:49   think about when they think about [TS]

01:26:50   working for free because this is also a [TS]

01:26:52   thing that i have been on multiple sides [TS]

01:26:56   of in some of my my previous career that [TS]

01:27:00   I attempted to do I did work for free [TS]

01:27:04   I'm in a position now where people often [TS]

01:27:07   ask me to do work for free I i have been [TS]

01:27:09   on both sides of this and I'll use a use [TS]

01:27:12   an example like from the photography [TS]

01:27:14   world where this is an argument that [TS]

01:27:16   comes up all the time about should [TS]

01:27:18   people who are starting their career [TS]

01:27:21   like in photography should they do work [TS]

01:27:24   for free and she's like should you do a [TS]

01:27:27   wedding for free or should you charge [TS]

01:27:30   right out of the gate and the thing that [TS]

01:27:32   I can never help but notice is that in [TS]

01:27:34   in this this kind of argument that [TS]

01:27:37   occurs people who are established [TS]

01:27:40   professionals are the ones who always [TS]

01:27:42   are pushing for you shouldn't do work [TS]

01:27:45   for free [TS]

01:27:46   yeah in the same way that this [TS]

01:27:48   advertising company has put together an [TS]

01:27:52   advertising campaign saying don't do [TS]

01:27:56   spec work don't create your music and [TS]

01:27:59   don't create your graphics and we're [TS]

01:28:00   free and the thing is like I feel like I [TS]

01:28:03   can't help but notice that's super [TS]

01:28:08   self-interested like a dear listener can [TS]

01:28:11   you imagine if i made a video saying [TS]

01:28:15   don't make your videos for free only [TS]

01:28:18   make your videos when you charge for [TS]

01:28:21   them like when when you have a sponsor [TS]

01:28:23   at the end who is going to pay for them [TS]

01:28:25   it's like [TS]

01:28:26   do you think there might be a reason why [TS]

01:28:27   I would not want people to to just make [TS]

01:28:29   videos for free is like of course [TS]

01:28:31   because it's it's a way of reducing [TS]

01:28:34   competition right if you are the [TS]

01:28:36   established professional would you don't [TS]

01:28:38   want is a bunch of people creating free [TS]

01:28:41   work right like yes it's it's pulling [TS]

01:28:45   down the market average and so I just I [TS]

01:28:50   think that for people getting started on [TS]

01:28:55   their careers in like it this is the key [TS]

01:28:57   thing for people getting started [TS]

01:29:00   free like your huge advantage like this [TS]

01:29:04   is the one thing that you have going for [TS]

01:29:07   you and yes i spec work totally sucks in [TS]

01:29:11   a lot of ways like are you going to put [TS]

01:29:13   in a bunch of hours and maybe not get [TS]

01:29:14   paid for stuff [TS]

01:29:15   yes and that totally sucks right I get [TS]

01:29:18   that is sort of awful but it is also [TS]

01:29:21   your competitive advantage [TS]

01:29:25   this is this is just how things go like [TS]

01:29:26   I even remember when I was qualified as [TS]

01:29:28   it as a teacher and looking for a job [TS]

01:29:30   one of the things that that I I heard [TS]

01:29:32   from my advisers they were pointing out [TS]

01:29:34   like yet you're not an established [TS]

01:29:35   teacher but that is actually your [TS]

01:29:37   advantage because you're super cheap to [TS]

01:29:39   school like schools will be happy to [TS]

01:29:41   bring on a new cheap teacher because it [TS]

01:29:44   costs them weigh less than bring on old [TS]

01:29:46   established teacher like the spec work [TS]

01:29:47   thing is just a more extreme version of [TS]

01:29:49   that like if you are working in a [TS]

01:29:51   creative field you can do something for [TS]

01:29:54   free which is totally a version of like [TS]

01:29:57   getting your foot in the door into a [TS]

01:30:00   field like starting to build up your own [TS]

01:30:04   professional reputation so gray III [TS]

01:30:10   agree with you and I thought the same [TS]

01:30:14   thing about all the people who seem to [TS]

01:30:15   be the most vehement in their statements [TS]

01:30:19   about being anti spec work are people I [TS]

01:30:21   would love to put a lie detector or get [TS]

01:30:23   a time machine and have a look what they [TS]

01:30:25   did when they were starting out because [TS]

01:30:27   I bet most of them did it [TS]

01:30:28   yeah exactly exactly but there are a few [TS]

01:30:31   questions then spring tomorrow [TS]

01:30:34   the first one is when do you make the [TS]

01:30:37   switch from being someone who's making [TS]

01:30:39   the sacrifice and doing it for free or [TS]

01:30:42   doing things on the shape to try and get [TS]

01:30:44   that start to being someone who says no [TS]

01:30:48   you know I'm worth more than that now [TS]

01:30:49   and I should be paid accordingly how [TS]

01:30:53   does how does that switch happen [TS]

01:30:55   my feeling on this is there is a [TS]

01:30:57   supernatural switching point which is [TS]

01:31:00   that when you start having more work to [TS]

01:31:06   do then you have time to do it [TS]

01:31:08   hmm that to me seems like the most [TS]

01:31:10   obvious point at which you can [TS]

01:31:11   legitimately start charging money i [TS]

01:31:14   actually think that you could probably [TS]

01:31:15   start charging money before then because [TS]

01:31:17   if you're getting a bunch of work that [TS]

01:31:19   is that is like a signal from the world [TS]

01:31:22   that you are producing something that [TS]

01:31:24   other people value again like just [TS]

01:31:26   speaking in super broad terms about [TS]

01:31:28   creative fields here give people keep [TS]

01:31:30   coming back or if your people are [TS]

01:31:32   accepting your spec work on a regular [TS]

01:31:34   basis that is a signal to you that [TS]

01:31:36   you're doing a thing that is good which [TS]

01:31:38   is an indication that you can have [TS]

01:31:40   prices like you can start raising prices [TS]

01:31:42   but without a doubt when you start [TS]

01:31:45   running out of time when so many people [TS]

01:31:47   want you to do stuff that whatever [TS]

01:31:49   amount of time you have in a week to do [TS]

01:31:52   work on the side or to do spec work like [TS]

01:31:55   one that's running out then you should [TS]

01:31:56   totally charge more like this is how [TS]

01:31:58   economics work like when the supply [TS]

01:32:00   starts getting constrained like you [TS]

01:32:01   should raise the price and in this case [TS]

01:32:03   the supply is your available hours to do [TS]

01:32:06   things when that supply starts getting [TS]

01:32:08   limited then the price should go up the [TS]

01:32:11   other question is and this is I'd like [TS]

01:32:13   to hear some words of reassurance or [TS]

01:32:16   scaremongering whichever it whichever is [TS]

01:32:18   necessary now for the people who are [TS]

01:32:20   sort of sitting higher in the tray and [TS]

01:32:22   they're swimming and Manning and things [TS]

01:32:24   are going really well for them in the [TS]

01:32:25   creative world I guess their fear fear [TS]

01:32:28   is these swarms of people below who are [TS]

01:32:30   willing to work for free [TS]

01:32:32   I'm going to topple them from their [TS]

01:32:33   perch that's the fear isn't it that's [TS]

01:32:35   why they're making lucknow suspect [TS]

01:32:37   campaigns and things like that it's not [TS]

01:32:39   because they care about the little [TS]

01:32:40   people i think it's because they care [TS]

01:32:41   about their position on the perch [TS]

01:32:43   if you're on a perch and you're making a [TS]

01:32:45   good living from creative work why [TS]

01:32:47   should you not be scared of all the spec [TS]

01:32:50   workers taking all your work away but [TS]

01:32:53   you should be scared that you should be [TS]

01:32:55   terrified [TS]

01:32:56   yeah this goes back to the popularity [TS]

01:32:59   thing from before where if a lot of [TS]

01:33:03   people want to do something and also a [TS]

01:33:08   lot of people are able to do with thing [TS]

01:33:10   you should expect like the average price [TS]

01:33:13   of that thing to go down yet so we live [TS]

01:33:16   in a world where a large part of the [TS]

01:33:19   population ends up having a fair amount [TS]

01:33:22   of leisure time in which they can do [TS]

01:33:24   creative work like that that's a thing [TS]

01:33:27   that exists in the world now that didn't [TS]

01:33:30   exist so much long time ago for a large [TS]

01:33:31   portion of the population [TS]

01:33:33   I don't think it is unreasonable to be [TS]

01:33:35   worried about people doing free work in [TS]

01:33:39   your field because again like the very [TS]

01:33:41   fact that there are people who are [TS]

01:33:43   willing to do the thing for free like [TS]

01:33:46   that like that is it is a an indication [TS]

01:33:49   to you like there are tons of people who [TS]

01:33:51   want to get into that field and all [TS]

01:33:53   right just as being the best at [TS]

01:33:55   something not count because I mean I [TS]

01:33:57   would have happily play cricket for [TS]

01:33:58   Australia for free right but the guys [TS]

01:34:01   who are playing cricket australia and a [TS]

01:34:03   ton of money and I'm not getting [TS]

01:34:04   anything coast right you're not getting [TS]

01:34:06   any phone calls but that that's [TS]

01:34:07   precisely where i was going with this is [TS]

01:34:09   what we are indirectly describing here [TS]

01:34:13   is superstar economies a field that a [TS]

01:34:17   lot of people want to go into tends to [TS]

01:34:20   have this this distribution where [TS]

01:34:23   there's a small number of people who are [TS]

01:34:25   doing very well and there's a ton of [TS]

01:34:28   people who want to get into that field [TS]

01:34:30   and like the average price of their [TS]

01:34:32   earnings is very low [TS]

01:34:33   Hollywood is of course the perfect [TS]

01:34:36   example of this ya la the city that [TS]

01:34:38   crushes people dream everyday boatloads [TS]

01:34:42   of people land in la like dying to to [TS]

01:34:45   work in the movie industry and so I'm [TS]

01:34:48   sure like and all of their dreams are [TS]

01:34:51   just crushed to a first approximation [TS]

01:34:53   but like you end you end [TS]

01:34:55   up with like this superstar effect where [TS]

01:34:57   some people through hard work and also [TS]

01:35:00   through luck end up becoming like the [TS]

01:35:02   focus of a large number of people's [TS]

01:35:04   attention this is what the art world is [TS]

01:35:07   in in all forms like this is what the [TS]

01:35:09   music industry is this is what all of [TS]

01:35:12   these fields are like almost by [TS]

01:35:14   definition an area of of the economy [TS]

01:35:17   where tons of people want to work is [TS]

01:35:19   also an area of the economy that can't [TS]

01:35:22   help but create like this superstar [TS]

01:35:25   effect and I think even to a lesser [TS]

01:35:28   extent you can see it in places like the [TS]

01:35:30   advertising industry that there are [TS]

01:35:32   advertising companies that are extremely [TS]

01:35:35   well known in their field and the and [TS]

01:35:37   they become like the companies that [TS]

01:35:39   everybody wants to work with like this [TS]

01:35:40   is this is just what happens i guess the [TS]

01:35:43   real the real lesson here is is like [TS]

01:35:45   just like Hollywood these kind of fields [TS]

01:35:48   they're not they're not feel that you [TS]

01:35:50   can like wholeheartedly recommend that [TS]

01:35:52   people should go into it's very hard to [TS]

01:35:54   recommend that anyone become an actor or [TS]

01:35:58   actress like you know what is probably [TS]

01:36:00   going to be a bad idea [TS]

01:36:02   like that's probably not going to work [TS]

01:36:04   out for you but you can't convince [TS]

01:36:05   people to not do it because these fields [TS]

01:36:09   are very attractive which leads to this [TS]

01:36:11   whole phenomenon in the first place your [TS]

01:36:13   advice to people who want to break into [TS]

01:36:15   sort of creative fields and have this [TS]

01:36:18   conundrum before them of do i do spec [TS]

01:36:21   work your advice is do it [TS]

01:36:25   yeah do it get your foot in the door get [TS]

01:36:26   yourself out there and then if you're [TS]

01:36:28   good enough hopefully you'll be so much [TS]

01:36:30   in demand that eventually you will be [TS]

01:36:32   able to command higher prices [TS]

01:36:35   yeah I would agree with that [TS]

01:36:36   wholeheartedly ya know my my overall [TS]

01:36:40   advice like if I'm speaking to generic [TS]

01:36:42   high school kid who's thinking about [TS]

01:36:43   careers and I don't know anything about [TS]

01:36:45   the person i would advise like don't go [TS]

01:36:48   into this field right this is probably a [TS]

01:36:49   bad idea because you'll have to expect [TS]

01:36:51   work like he wanted you want to go into [TS]

01:36:54   creative field like okay yeah great [TS]

01:36:56   you and everybody else like tell me [TS]

01:36:58   about your future career as a as a [TS]

01:37:00   professional cricket ear right like lots [TS]

01:37:02   of people want to do this you know it's [TS]

01:37:05   going to be a horrible grind in the [TS]

01:37:07   beginning to try to try to get [TS]

01:37:08   get your way to the top like so it's [TS]

01:37:10   probably better yet but if you are going [TS]

01:37:12   to get go into this field don't fall for [TS]

01:37:16   this sweet siren song that the [TS]

01:37:20   established professionals will tell you [TS]

01:37:21   like don't work for free man that's a [TS]

01:37:24   terrible your work should be respected [TS]

01:37:26   like they're singing a song that you [TS]

01:37:28   want to hear [TS]

01:37:29   don't fall for it because it's just a [TS]

01:37:31   trap look at the people who are singing [TS]

01:37:33   that song and don't listen free is your [TS]

01:37:37   huge advantage and I think I guess the [TS]

01:37:40   final thing that I would say is that you [TS]

01:37:42   should probably pay close attention to [TS]

01:37:45   whether or not people are using your [TS]

01:37:49   work like don't waste years and years of [TS]

01:37:52   your life doing spec work for free [TS]

01:37:54   this should be a thing that you say like [TS]

01:37:56   okay I'm gonna try to do i'm gonna try [TS]

01:37:58   to break into field x and i'm going to [TS]

01:38:01   define some amount of time that i'm [TS]

01:38:04   going to spend on it and see if people [TS]

01:38:07   are interested in the work that i'm [TS]

01:38:08   doing and if they're not then I'm going [TS]

01:38:09   to I'm going to move on right because [TS]

01:38:12   it's just everywhere you look it's just [TS]

01:38:14   a graveyard of people who have failed [TS]

01:38:16   trying to do this exact same thing great [TS]

01:38:19   you you talk about the establishment [TS]

01:38:21   having this siren syrupy song of saying [TS]

01:38:24   come on don't do this trick works you [TS]

01:38:28   know you you deserve more the thin end [TS]

01:38:30   of the wedge and I hear that and I [TS]

01:38:32   understand it but don't we also hear [TS]

01:38:34   about the establishment and the big [TS]

01:38:35   organizations doing the opposite and [TS]

01:38:38   having another siren song where they say [TS]

01:38:40   come on do some work for us for free you [TS]

01:38:42   get good exposure this will be good for [TS]

01:38:45   your career later you might learn some [TS]

01:38:47   contracts because of her and isn't that [TS]

01:38:49   just another form of exploitation of [TS]

01:38:51   people you're talking about two [TS]

01:38:52   different groups here the advertising [TS]

01:38:54   agency doesn't want creative [TS]

01:38:56   professionals doing doing the spec work [TS]

01:38:59   for free but companies that need ads [TS]

01:39:01   certainly will ask for free ads so it's [TS]

01:39:04   like your fellow creators are singing [TS]

01:39:06   one siren some tea and the people who [TS]

01:39:08   want the creations are singing another [TS]

01:39:10   siren song yes exactly [TS]

01:39:12   apparently the the creator's who have [TS]

01:39:14   been successful are the ones who are [TS]

01:39:16   trying to say like don't work for free [TS]

01:39:19   don't drop the prices down that's what [TS]

01:39:21   you end up hearing I have done things on [TS]

01:39:23   spec definitely mhm i also have done [TS]

01:39:27   things for less than what I think [TS]

01:39:29   they're worth voluntarily I remember the [TS]

01:39:33   early days of periodic videos working [TS]

01:39:35   insane hours like 20 hours a day working [TS]

01:39:38   or not making all these films about the [TS]

01:39:40   periodic table that no one was watching [TS]

01:39:42   just thinking if I do this and make all [TS]

01:39:44   of these videos i think someone will [TS]

01:39:47   notice and all and all I was being paid [TS]

01:39:49   at the time but that you know it was it [TS]

01:39:51   was quite small grad so I consider that [TS]

01:39:54   semi spec work and and and that spec [TS]

01:39:57   work work it paid off me those three or [TS]

01:40:00   four weeks i remember not sleeping and [TS]

01:40:02   just making all these videos and putting [TS]

01:40:04   them on youtube at the end of those few [TS]

01:40:07   weeks i did get a bit of luck and i got [TS]

01:40:08   noticed that led to it led to more work [TS]

01:40:11   so my experience of spec work was it was [TS]

01:40:14   the making of me and I don't know [TS]

01:40:15   whether you consider your Britain video [TS]

01:40:18   to be spic work or not but it was [TS]

01:40:20   certainly the making of you as well and [TS]

01:40:22   you did that afraid probably not knowing [TS]

01:40:24   if anyone would ever watch it [TS]

01:40:25   yeah that's what that's the whole [TS]

01:40:26   YouTube economy is based on like you [TS]

01:40:28   know oh I mean I guess I guess it's a [TS]

01:40:30   bit different now because you can start [TS]

01:40:32   making money off of the advertisements [TS]

01:40:33   right from the start but again it's it's [TS]

01:40:36   such a small amount of like no one's [TS]

01:40:37   making any youtube videos at the very [TS]

01:40:40   beginning that have a high return on [TS]

01:40:41   investment in terms of your time [TS]

01:40:43   right like you're not it's just it's [TS]

01:40:45   just not happening so you're basically [TS]

01:40:46   doing were kind of for free trying to [TS]

01:40:48   build an audience and and build a future [TS]

01:40:51   career on youtube from talking to you [TS]

01:40:54   about this it seems that you have and [TS]

01:40:56   I'm not surprised by this is so it's one [TS]

01:40:57   of your defining qualities you seem to [TS]

01:41:00   have tremendous faith in market forces [TS]

01:41:03   and the economy and things sorting [TS]

01:41:06   everything out like there's there's high [TS]

01:41:09   demand is low demand that drives costs [TS]

01:41:11   up and down etc [TS]

01:41:12   do you not think there could be any [TS]

01:41:14   protections in place to stop people [TS]

01:41:17   being exploited should we just let the [TS]

01:41:19   forces take care of her or wood should [TS]

01:41:23   there be something to protect people [TS]

01:41:24   from being exploited by spec work if [TS]

01:41:26   this glut of people who are right for [TS]

01:41:28   the picking [TS]

01:41:30   should they let should we let people [TS]

01:41:32   pick them [TS]

01:41:33   ok out always always i disagree with [TS]

01:41:36   your phrasing of things Brady it that's [TS]

01:41:39   another of your defining qualities that [TS]

01:41:41   was one of your defining qualities that [TS]

01:41:43   you the to intentionally provocatively I [TS]

01:41:47   think misrepresents what it is that I'm [TS]

01:41:50   saying never [TS]

01:41:53   it's not that i have want to be clear [TS]

01:41:56   here is not that I have tremendous faith [TS]

01:41:58   in markets i I've you markets almost [TS]

01:42:04   like a natural phenomenon they are a [TS]

01:42:07   byproduct of the way our monkey brains [TS]

01:42:11   interact with the universe like it's [TS]

01:42:13   just like a part of nature almost that [TS]

01:42:16   humans compete in various ways for [TS]

01:42:20   limited resources [TS]

01:42:22   I just acknowledge that this is a thing [TS]

01:42:25   that exists in the world i am not a [TS]

01:42:28   markets are a great solution for [TS]

01:42:30   absolutely everything guy I think [TS]

01:42:32   sometimes markets are good solutions and [TS]

01:42:34   sometimes you need counter market [TS]

01:42:36   solutions [TS]

01:42:37   it depends on what it is you're trying [TS]

01:42:39   to achieve what you're trying to do I [TS]

01:42:41   just think there are many cases where [TS]

01:42:43   people try to futilely fight against [TS]

01:42:48   markets and and this whole notion of [TS]

01:42:51   like don't do spec work is precisely one [TS]

01:42:55   of these moments like this there's [TS]

01:42:56   nothing that you can do to fight against [TS]

01:43:00   this you don't think that's a counter [TS]

01:43:02   market solution to prevent spec work [TS]

01:43:05   becoming too widespread I don't think [TS]

01:43:08   there's much that you could practically [TS]

01:43:10   do to stop it [TS]

01:43:12   like I think you think you could try to [TS]

01:43:14   do things like make make websites like [TS]

01:43:16   99 designs are similar things that you [TS]

01:43:19   could try to write laws to make those [TS]

01:43:21   things illegal but i still think you're [TS]

01:43:23   only ever going to be able to nail down [TS]

01:43:25   the most obvious cases of what's [TS]

01:43:27   happening [TS]

01:43:29   I think it'll just end up becoming a [TS]

01:43:30   much more informal process if if you try [TS]

01:43:34   to get rid of it [TS]

01:43:36   because I just think like that that tide [TS]

01:43:39   of tons of people want to break into a [TS]

01:43:42   cool field and will be willing to do [TS]

01:43:45   lots of work at at little or no cost to [TS]

01:43:48   do it [TS]

01:43:48   i I just don't think that you can fight [TS]

01:43:51   that I think like that will find a way [TS]

01:43:53   one way or another into you know people [TS]

01:43:57   just offering up their work for the [TS]

01:44:00   possibility of payment in the future i [TS]

01:44:02   think is very little that you could [TS]

01:44:03   possibly do to stop it [TS]

01:44:05   it is interesting because sometimes it [TS]

01:44:07   feels like certainly a lot of creative [TS]

01:44:10   and artistic people feel like they live [TS]

01:44:12   in a society where art is not valued and [TS]

01:44:16   then we have the situation where you're [TS]

01:44:17   saying you know everyone wants to be an [TS]

01:44:19   artist so of course you can't demand [TS]

01:44:20   higher prices for your work that just [TS]

01:44:23   sort of reinforces this perception that [TS]

01:44:26   some people have that artisan isn't [TS]

01:44:28   valued enough and they sort of [TS]

01:44:29   strengthens their position doesn't make [TS]

01:44:31   some say no my art is valuable and you [TS]

01:44:33   should be paying top dollar for don't [TS]

01:44:35   treat us like second-class citizens [TS]

01:44:36   yeah but it is invaluable alright like [TS]

01:44:38   in and and that's also why the art world [TS]

01:44:40   has the same kind of superstar effect [TS]

01:44:43   and I almost by definition you know [TS]

01:44:45   paintings are are valuable because a [TS]

01:44:47   bunch of monkeys have agreed that that [TS]

01:44:49   painting is valuable right that there's [TS]

01:44:51   nothing there's nothing intrinsic in it [TS]

01:44:54   in the same way that like a liver [TS]

01:44:57   transplant is an intrinsically valuable [TS]

01:44:59   service that a professional provides [TS]

01:45:01   right and Monet is not the same thing a [TS]

01:45:05   Monet is like an artificial value you [TS]

01:45:07   get a lot of liver transplants from my [TS]

01:45:09   right you can get a lot of liver [TS]

01:45:11   transplants for monday as long as the [TS]

01:45:13   monkeys all agree that the Monet is [TS]

01:45:15   worth a whole bunch of liver transplants [TS]

01:45:17   right but it's like the the painting [TS]

01:45:19   doesn't do anything directly for you [TS]

01:45:21   right it's not valuable in in this in [TS]

01:45:23   this direct way like art art is not [TS]

01:45:27   valuable but ends up in this the same [TS]

01:45:29   kind of superstar fact i think it an [TS]

01:45:32   interesting just slightly shift i think [TS]

01:45:37   an interesting other field that that has [TS]

01:45:39   this phenomenon a little bit is actually [TS]

01:45:42   the thing that I'm always promoting [TS]

01:45:43   which is computer programming [TS]

01:45:45   and is one of these things like I feel [TS]

01:45:48   like I you know having grown up in [TS]

01:45:50   exactly the time that i have that when I [TS]

01:45:51   when I was a kid there was kind of this [TS]

01:45:54   idea that computer programming was an [TS]

01:45:58   incredibly rare skill but this was [TS]

01:46:01   actually just a side effect of like well [TS]

01:46:02   not very many people had computers and [TS]

01:46:04   then I think that it's interesting like [TS]

01:46:06   it has turned out that while computer [TS]

01:46:09   programmers are not a huge portion of [TS]

01:46:12   the population there are lots of them [TS]

01:46:16   it's a decent size number of people who [TS]

01:46:20   have this skill to be able to create [TS]

01:46:23   applications on their computers like [TS]

01:46:27   that is an intrinsically valuable skill [TS]

01:46:29   but it's also a case of nowhere like the [TS]

01:46:31   simple supply of people ends up driving [TS]

01:46:36   down the value of the product they [TS]

01:46:39   produce and I think we see this in for [TS]

01:46:42   example the number of free apps that are [TS]

01:46:46   available on your iphone i guess it's [TS]

01:46:49   astounding how ridiculously cheap apps [TS]

01:46:53   are on your iphone for the most part and [TS]

01:46:56   part of that is just like there's so [TS]

01:46:59   many people who want to be apt [TS]

01:47:02   developers like it's a cool job to have [TS]

01:47:05   like I'm just gonna sit in my house and [TS]

01:47:06   program away at my computer and I'm [TS]

01:47:07   gonna be able to do whatever was like [TS]

01:47:09   well guess what there's tons of people [TS]

01:47:11   who want to do that and just like people [TS]

01:47:14   who produce art there are tons of people [TS]

01:47:17   who can do that as like a part-time [TS]

01:47:21   thing or there are lots of people who [TS]

01:47:23   just like people enjoy creating art [TS]

01:47:25   there are people who enjoy programming [TS]

01:47:27   and so that enormous I don't want to say [TS]

01:47:32   glut but that enormous supply of people [TS]

01:47:35   who are able to do a thing changes the [TS]

01:47:38   competitive landscape of that of that [TS]

01:47:40   thing itself i'm always promoting the [TS]

01:47:42   computer programming as as I can [TS]

01:47:44   incredibly valuable skill but it still [TS]

01:47:46   has this same kind of a fact that like [TS]

01:47:48   lots of people once [TS]

01:47:51   to do this and you can end up with this [TS]

01:47:53   similar kind of superstar fact that she [TS]

01:47:56   like a small number of apps make an [TS]

01:47:59   enormous amount of money and a huge [TS]

01:48:01   number of apps make basically no money [TS]

01:48:04   whatsoever the price you pay for an [TS]

01:48:07   enjoyable job [TS]

01:48:08   yeah that's exactly it that's exactly it [TS]

01:48:11   you know you if if you have you're [TS]

01:48:13   looking to get a job that everybody [TS]

01:48:14   wants to do then it's it's going to be [TS]

01:48:16   hard because you have an enormous amount [TS]

01:48:18   of competition like that's that's just [TS]

01:48:20   the way the world works [TS]

01:48:22   you don't get a lot of spec what [TS]

01:48:23   toilet-cleaning on the hunt the flip [TS]

01:48:25   side of this i taught at a school that [TS]

01:48:30   we will say had just a very large number [TS]

01:48:32   of very well-to-do students at one point [TS]

01:48:34   and i was showing them a video about [TS]

01:48:38   something or other it doesn't even [TS]

01:48:40   matter but at one point in the video [TS]

01:48:41   they show an assembly line that's [TS]

01:48:44   producing kitchenware for for that for [TS]

01:48:47   your household and on the video at one [TS]

01:48:50   moment there's a guy whose whole job was [TS]

01:48:52   moving a sheet of metal from one metal [TS]

01:48:57   stamping machine to another metal [TS]

01:48:59   stamping machine that would turn it into [TS]

01:49:01   a bowl and then taking the finish bowl [TS]

01:49:03   off and putting it on a conveyor belt [TS]

01:49:05   and that was all he did like move the [TS]

01:49:09   piece from one side to the other one [TS]

01:49:11   side to the other and for some reason [TS]

01:49:13   this caught the attention of the [TS]

01:49:15   students in the class and these these [TS]

01:49:17   kids were in year nine so they're like [TS]

01:49:18   13 14 years old again all from very [TS]

01:49:22   well-to-do families and one of the girls [TS]

01:49:25   said is that that guy's job like is that [TS]

01:49:27   all he does all day and so I thought [TS]

01:49:28   like this little teachable moment right [TS]

01:49:30   let's have a little a little [TS]

01:49:31   conversation about that and I said oh [TS]

01:49:33   yeah this this is this is what this [TS]

01:49:35   person does for a living and never [TS]

01:49:38   forget because she said he must get paid [TS]

01:49:41   so much money to do a job that's so [TS]

01:49:46   boring and then that what that was my [TS]

01:49:51   moment to be like let's talk about the [TS]

01:49:54   value of skills like this is going to be [TS]

01:49:56   a moment for me to try to sell [TS]

01:49:59   engineering degrees to everyone in the [TS]

01:50:02   room [TS]

01:50:02   right now like I will never have a [TS]

01:50:04   better moment to sell it then this [TS]

01:50:06   because like that is the other side of [TS]

01:50:08   the supply equation like if you can have [TS]

01:50:11   a an enjoyable job but if there are lots [TS]

01:50:15   of low-skilled people like that doesn't [TS]

01:50:18   drive up the price of that job that also [TS]

01:50:20   drives the price of that job down and [TS]

01:50:23   what a magic moment and great example of [TS]

01:50:25   the important role that teachers play in [TS]

01:50:27   the shaping of students and change lives [TS]

01:50:30   that day [TS]