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H.I. #58: Hawk & Mouse


00:00:00   I just feel I just feel after every [TS]

00:00:01   section out slightly over you [TS]

00:00:03   I wonder if I don't make it probably [TS]

00:00:10   know why do you think that Brady that's [TS]

00:00:12   also why i'm so confused about things [TS]

00:00:14   I've talked about before the final class [TS]

00:00:16   tonight because I there are things I've [TS]

00:00:18   talked about and you've cut and then [TS]

00:00:20   like a few weeks later I might have like [TS]

00:00:22   a second bite at the cherry and if i get [TS]

00:00:23   through this time it's it's let your [TS]

00:00:27   like it's like when your parents say no [TS]

00:00:29   to something and then you ask them a few [TS]

00:00:30   weeks later I sometimes feel like that [TS]

00:00:32   with topics on the podcast was like our [TS]

00:00:33   great cat I wonder if i get away with it [TS]

00:00:35   next week [TS]

00:00:36   this this feels like the episode that [TS]

00:00:41   nearly didn't happen [TS]

00:00:43   yeah because you are in california which [TS]

00:00:46   is awful for many times own reasons we [TS]

00:00:49   have gone over before it is impossible [TS]

00:00:51   to record but it is night time for me [TS]

00:00:54   and very early morning for Brady as far [TS]

00:00:56   as I'm just ray gray you know where i am [TS]

00:00:59   and you know I want to hear you say site [TS]

00:01:03   decide for me you're in san francisco [TS]

00:01:05   pretty at the spiritual home of [TS]

00:01:06   numberphile yeah [TS]

00:01:08   hey it's berkeley always it perfectly i [TS]

00:01:12   didn't know if that was ever let me stay [TS]

00:01:15   you weren't there so often it feels like [TS]

00:01:18   maybe you should just tell me when you [TS]

00:01:20   are not at the spiritual home of [TS]

00:01:21   numberphile right when planning when [TS]

00:01:23   you're in England let me know when [TS]

00:01:25   you're not there now as i say to you [TS]

00:01:26   have recorded so many episodes here that [TS]

00:01:28   it should be the spiritual home of hello [TS]

00:01:30   internet i actually haven't spoken to [TS]

00:01:32   you since you took delivery of the [TS]

00:01:34   package of classic and pro flags for [TS]

00:01:37   signing oh yeah yeah i was just [TS]

00:01:39   wondering what you thought of the flags [TS]

00:01:41   when he's finally touch them and you [TS]

00:01:42   know handled them for the first time I [TS]

00:01:44   was quite impressed with the flags that [TS]

00:01:47   you were able to get made I have to say [TS]

00:01:49   they were extremely quality feeling in [TS]

00:01:52   the hands and I thought 11 us [TS]

00:01:54   yeah nice and nice and thick you know [TS]

00:01:56   they felt like real like this is a flag [TS]

00:01:58   that is going to be flown somewhere but [TS]

00:02:01   but the one thing I was wondering is I'm [TS]

00:02:03   sure have have you have you kept one for [TS]

00:02:05   us [TS]

00:02:06   Brady because i was i was thinking i got [TS]

00:02:07   i got this whole big package of flags [TS]

00:02:09   and i'm signing them for people and and [TS]

00:02:11   sending them off it took them off [TS]

00:02:12   the post office but as I was going [TS]

00:02:14   through the the package and signing all [TS]

00:02:16   the flags one by one I thought is there [TS]

00:02:18   going to be a flag for me i didn't [TS]

00:02:21   actually order and the average was [TS]

00:02:23   wondering like oh I'm getting to the [TS]

00:02:25   bottom of this I don't think there's a [TS]

00:02:26   flag for me [TS]

00:02:28   well we have a slight conundrum here huh [TS]

00:02:30   because I sort of pre ordered a batch [TS]

00:02:33   and then the orders came in from people [TS]

00:02:35   that wanted these they're quite [TS]

00:02:37   expensive so I wasn't expecting I wasn't [TS]

00:02:39   expecting a lot of orders yet the pro [TS]

00:02:41   flags [TS]

00:02:41   yeah but there was only one pro flag [TS]

00:02:44   left at the end so in this i have more [TS]

00:02:46   made there's only one and this obviously [TS]

00:02:48   two of us and I basically I kept it for [TS]

00:02:51   myself [TS]

00:02:52   catalog story show I just didn't think [TS]

00:02:56   it didn't think what would you do [TS]

00:02:57   without you it's not like he put up in [TS]

00:02:59   your house or it was just I didn't think [TS]

00:03:01   he'd want 1i thought you'd be happy just [TS]

00:03:02   knowing I had 1i am happy Brady because [TS]

00:03:05   if there was one in the box i would have [TS]

00:03:07   thought oh that's really lovely i'll [TS]

00:03:08   give this to Brady for safekeeping but [TS]

00:03:10   you've already kept one and i don't know [TS]

00:03:11   i didn't even cross my mind that you [TS]

00:03:13   would already have one in your little [TS]

00:03:14   Brady clutches [TS]

00:03:16   I was just gonna go we must have just [TS]

00:03:17   sent them all out but no we didn't of [TS]

00:03:18   course so yes I would have just I would [TS]

00:03:21   have looked at it admiringly for a few [TS]

00:03:23   moments and then send it right back to [TS]

00:03:25   you for safekeeping [TS]

00:03:26   well i have got one so if we ever have [TS]

00:03:28   another sort of public event like a [TS]

00:03:29   Darth Vader was event or something we [TS]

00:03:31   have one that can be sort of flowing [TS]

00:03:33   over the event or something if necessary [TS]

00:03:35   if necessary if necessary i think that [TS]

00:03:37   is absolutely necessary [TS]

00:03:39   yeah this is going to be in our in our [TS]

00:03:41   rider whenever we do events in the [TS]

00:03:43   future that the flag must be flown above [TS]

00:03:46   whatever venue we are going to be at all [TS]

00:03:48   right and like if one of us ever like [TS]

00:03:50   shuts down one of our youtube channel [TS]

00:03:52   that has to be flown at half-mast and [TS]

00:03:54   things like that [TS]

00:03:54   mmm yes and we would we would request [TS]

00:03:56   that all of the hello Internet flags [TS]

00:03:58   around the world be flown at half-mast [TS]

00:04:00   if one of the channels get shut down or [TS]

00:04:03   I guess on the inevitable day when one [TS]

00:04:06   of us dies first [TS]

00:04:07   yeah something suddenly this is really [TS]

00:04:09   quite morbid but yes [TS]

00:04:10   yeah when you inevitably die before i do [TS]

00:04:13   Brady i really hope that everybody puts [TS]

00:04:15   the the flag and [TS]

00:04:17   mass that would be the respectful thing [TS]

00:04:18   to do I wonder if your wife would see [TS]

00:04:20   the funny side if you died at your [TS]

00:04:22   funeral I gave her like a photo that [TS]

00:04:23   nylon gave leg i think a more touching [TS]

00:04:26   thing could not happen reading sorry man [TS]

00:04:33   i'm happy because we had mental image of [TS]

00:04:35   being in your field or am I gonna get [TS]

00:04:36   out of my head [TS]

00:04:37   hello internet suddenly serious [TS]

00:04:41   I've actually taken the pro in the [TS]

00:04:43   classic off the market temporarily [TS]

00:04:44   because it was just such a fast [TS]

00:04:46   packaging them inside them and then [TS]

00:04:48   sending them to you for signing and like [TS]

00:04:50   even though they're quite pricey I still [TS]

00:04:51   thought this is like taking loads of [TS]

00:04:53   time and effort and this is why [TS]

00:04:56   listeners of the hello Internet podcast [TS]

00:04:58   might notice that anytime there's a [TS]

00:05:00   one-off thing that happens one of us the [TS]

00:05:04   Brady advice is the one who always [TS]

00:05:06   handles it so i think i mislike goes up [TS]

00:05:09   on ebay anytime there's flags for sale [TS]

00:05:13   you recently did like a a special run of [TS]

00:05:17   t-shirts on like teespring that was [TS]

00:05:19   separate you did the the two animals [TS]

00:05:21   t-shirts on teespring everything that [TS]

00:05:24   the one-off is really a brady off [TS]

00:05:26   because I will not touch one off things [TS]

00:05:30   with a hundred-foot pole because I just [TS]

00:05:33   I hate how much of a fast they are and [TS]

00:05:35   like you said it is always so much more [TS]

00:05:38   of a faff then you think it's going to [TS]

00:05:41   be [TS]

00:05:41   yeah even if it's something simple like [TS]

00:05:43   oh someone's going to send me flags and [TS]

00:05:44   then I'm just going to pass them on [TS]

00:05:46   it's always so much more of of a pain [TS]

00:05:49   then you think it's going to be and what [TS]

00:05:53   my own experience was I know when I [TS]

00:05:55   first started doing the crowd [TS]

00:05:57   fundraising thing at one of the rewards [TS]

00:05:59   that i did was i did these handwritten [TS]

00:06:00   postcards that I was sending out to [TS]

00:06:02   people while they were really fun to do [TS]

00:06:04   and while like people always had me [TS]

00:06:07   write really funny things or sometimes [TS]

00:06:08   quite touching things actually in the [TS]

00:06:10   postcards like pushing people happy [TS]

00:06:11   graduation and all like all these other [TS]

00:06:13   kinds of things i eventually had to stop [TS]

00:06:15   because it was it was just like this [TS]

00:06:17   this flag problems like man this takes [TS]

00:06:19   up a surprising amount of time to do [TS]

00:06:23   these things individually and to send [TS]

00:06:24   them off to the post office and so that [TS]

00:06:26   was my lesson in scalability I will [TS]

00:06:29   touch no project [TS]

00:06:30   x that cannot scale automatically mm but [TS]

00:06:33   I'm very happy to work with you Brady [TS]

00:06:34   because you like to handle the one-off [TS]

00:06:36   stuff you'll complain but you'll still [TS]

00:06:38   do it you're still having to handle them [TS]

00:06:39   because you had to take them all out and [TS]

00:06:41   followed them and so on them and follow [TS]

00:06:42   them back up and put them in their [TS]

00:06:44   envelopes so I did it for the nation [TS]

00:06:47   Brady right it was our flags i was happy [TS]

00:06:50   to do it but still you handle the bulk [TS]

00:06:52   of it and I felt like the least I could [TS]

00:06:55   do was eventually get around to sending [TS]

00:06:57   them out [TS]

00:06:57   I have to say I mean it's not like we [TS]

00:06:59   can ask for signatures a lot but i'm [TS]

00:07:01   always reluctant to not sign something [TS]

00:07:05   if I made someone in fact i would never [TS]

00:07:06   not sign something if I met someone [TS]

00:07:07   because i remember when i have asked [TS]

00:07:10   people for signatures and the ones who [TS]

00:07:12   have refused and the ones who haven't [TS]

00:07:14   and it's burned in my memory to this day [TS]

00:07:17   how much it meant to me when I like met [TS]

00:07:19   like my favourite cricketer and he [TS]

00:07:21   agreed to sign something for me and I [TS]

00:07:22   also remember the people who said know [TS]

00:07:24   who said know who was the most [TS]

00:07:26   heartbreaking Brittany I'm it's ok you [TS]

00:07:29   can share with the group I'd rather not [TS]

00:07:31   go into the nose actually it's too [TS]

00:07:34   painful the memory there are no fair [TS]

00:07:36   enough that you'll share when you're [TS]

00:07:38   ready really appreciated i'm still in [TS]

00:07:41   autograph refusal counseling [TS]

00:07:43   yeah it's a you know if the traumatic if [TS]

00:07:47   the traumatic event it's traumatic [TS]

00:07:48   events did I ever tell the podcast the [TS]

00:07:50   story about when I met my cricket hero [TS]

00:07:52   and don't know i think so but I don't [TS]

00:07:55   know it's been too long you tell it [TS]

00:07:56   again anyway so my cricket hero [TS]

00:07:58   it was a wicketkeeper for the west [TS]

00:08:00   indies cricket team called jeff john and [TS]

00:08:03   he retired from cricket by this point [TS]

00:08:04   and he was now a coach of the cricket [TS]

00:08:07   team and that cricket team have happened [TS]

00:08:09   to be an Adelaide and i was working by [TS]

00:08:11   this point and i took my lunch break off [TS]

00:08:13   work and I'll stressed in my you know my [TS]

00:08:15   shirt and tie and everything and I went [TS]

00:08:17   down to the cricket practice where they [TS]

00:08:19   were training so that when they came out [TS]

00:08:21   of the training session I could try and [TS]

00:08:23   ask for his autograph and he was rushing [TS]

00:08:26   from one place to another and he was [TS]

00:08:27   refusing everyone going past or the [TS]

00:08:29   autograph collectors and I cold out and [TS]

00:08:31   I said Jeff can use can you sign this [TS]

00:08:33   credit card for me and he sort of the [TS]

00:08:35   sort of shook his head and kept going [TS]

00:08:36   and then I looked at him and I said Jeff [TS]

00:08:39   I've come here in my lunch break and I [TS]

00:08:41   like held up my tie like I grabbed my [TS]

00:08:43   tie [TS]

00:08:44   held up image and showed him my tires [TS]

00:08:46   proof and he looked me up and down you [TS]

00:08:48   saw i was dressed in that work attire [TS]

00:08:50   and then I just put on this pleading [TS]

00:08:51   face and I said you're my boyhood hero [TS]

00:08:54   and he just caved and he came over and [TS]

00:08:58   sign my card and the minute he did that [TS]

00:09:01   a hundred other people came running over [TS]

00:09:02   and lined up and had to sign other [TS]

00:09:04   things as well but you know what I love [TS]

00:09:08   him for and i still remember that i [TS]

00:09:09   still remember that he liked he heard me [TS]

00:09:11   out and he made my case and he thought [TS]

00:09:14   okay you've sold me on it and he did me [TS]

00:09:17   a solid c i'm pretty sure that you have [TS]

00:09:19   told the story on the podcast before now [TS]

00:09:20   because i remember this [TS]

00:09:22   I've definitely told you the story i [TS]

00:09:23   just don't have total on the podcast [TS]

00:09:24   will hear about it in the comments if we [TS]

00:09:27   have but it just reminds me again I just [TS]

00:09:30   how how sympathetic I am though to [TS]

00:09:33   celebrities who don't want to sign [TS]

00:09:37   autographs [TS]

00:09:38   hey you you do hear from people all the [TS]

00:09:40   time you know these stories that are [TS]

00:09:42   burned into their minds of oh yes I ask [TS]

00:09:44   this person for for a signature and they [TS]

00:09:46   said no I don't know I always just feel [TS]

00:09:48   conflicted about these things but people [TS]

00:09:49   sometimes feel really resentful about [TS]

00:09:51   that but the bigger the celebrity is the [TS]

00:09:53   more his definitely like but you don't [TS]

00:09:55   understand how much of a problem can be [TS]

00:09:57   for that person right where it's like [TS]

00:09:59   it's not just you it's everywhere they [TS]

00:10:01   go all the time and then immediately [TS]

00:10:03   once they start signing something it's [TS]

00:10:05   like other people are going to come up [TS]

00:10:06   and it can literally be is really they [TS]

00:10:08   could be stuck there for hours sign [TS]

00:10:11   hearing people are always gauging this [TS]

00:10:13   on boy i would love to be asked to sign [TS]

00:10:16   my name on something once in a public [TS]

00:10:18   situation and they're not thinking about [TS]

00:10:20   it from the scenario of the of the [TS]

00:10:22   celebrity I don't know if I mentioned it [TS]

00:10:23   before but there's a video that I think [TS]

00:10:25   is the best example of what being a [TS]

00:10:28   celebrity is like and it's a video that [TS]

00:10:31   Jim Carrey took in Brazil where he's [TS]

00:10:34   beneath that giant jesus statue have you [TS]

00:10:36   seen this video [TS]

00:10:37   no no okay it's astounding because it's [TS]

00:10:40   it's jim carrey any he you know he's [TS]

00:10:43   filming himself he's filming his face [TS]

00:10:44   and he said something like oh I'm here [TS]

00:10:46   in Brazil beneath the gigantic jesus [TS]

00:10:48   statue and he has the camera handout so [TS]

00:10:52   you're looking at the view but then he [TS]

00:10:54   just slowly turns [TS]

00:10:56   around so that he's now facing the [TS]

00:10:59   monument and what you just see behind [TS]

00:11:02   him is just a sea of people crushed [TS]

00:11:05   right up against him [TS]

00:11:07   all of them have their phones out [TS]

00:11:09   filming him that to me is like the most [TS]

00:11:12   clear example of showing that like [TS]

00:11:14   celebrity at a certain level is just [TS]

00:11:17   scary because you could see like he's [TS]

00:11:21   crushed up against the edge of this [TS]

00:11:23   monument and there's just like this [TS]

00:11:24   crowd of people who just want to get [TS]

00:11:27   close to him as like man everywhere [TS]

00:11:30   Jim Carrey goes it must be like this all [TS]

00:11:32   the time must be just awful [TS]

00:11:34   so that's why if you see a celebrity [TS]

00:11:35   leave them alone that's my advice people [TS]

00:11:37   it is it it is always kind of packed up [TS]

00:11:41   there anyway but i do wanna see that [TS]

00:11:43   video is anything with it it's super [TS]

00:11:46   weird super creepy [TS]

00:11:47   mara so while i have been here for two [TS]

00:11:51   weeks i did go to LA on the weekend [TS]

00:11:54   sorry [TS]

00:11:55   oh it was good i went and hung out with [TS]

00:11:57   a direct from Paris tablet and we had a [TS]

00:11:58   great time [TS]

00:11:59   Derek from veritasium that would be [TS]

00:12:01   worth going to LA for it was Duke date [TS]

00:12:04   weekend really a date weekend [TS]

00:12:06   well i'm away and mrs. Dirk was away it [TS]

00:12:09   was just the fellas [TS]

00:12:10   yeah I got there and Dirk was like let's [TS]

00:12:12   go riding on bicycles like dental you [TS]

00:12:14   know Venice station because everyone's [TS]

00:12:16   are outdoorsy and that and I'm a little [TS]

00:12:18   bit ashamed of what I'm about to say but [TS]

00:12:20   really we had during a park and we had [TS]

00:12:25   to borrow another one from his neighbor [TS]

00:12:27   but we only had one helmet between us [TS]

00:12:29   and the LA roads are kind of crazy we're [TS]

00:12:32   going to be writing all these main roads [TS]

00:12:34   and although it was good yeah and like I [TS]

00:12:38   just got off the plane and look up of [TS]

00:12:40   course I can ride a bike quite capably [TS]

00:12:42   but I don't ride bikes often and [TS]

00:12:44   especially tried them on la roads and I [TS]

00:12:47   was a bit like hard enough I don't know [TS]

00:12:49   if I want to ride a bike without a [TS]

00:12:50   helmet so even though it was switched to [TS]

00:12:52   Derek even that was Derek's helmet when [TS]

00:12:55   he did offer to let me wear it [TS]

00:12:57   I did not take the hard as nails option [TS]

00:12:59   and i took the helmet and the funny [TS]

00:13:01   thing was we then like posted a couple [TS]

00:13:03   of selfies on Twitter and people were [TS]

00:13:05   like condemning Derek for not wearing a [TS]

00:13:07   helmet [TS]

00:13:09   and he'd given me his own but he's [TS]

00:13:10   sacrificed his helmet for me and he [TS]

00:13:13   still kept it for being being not safe [TS]

00:13:15   so anyone who saw those pictures and [TS]

00:13:17   things that Derek was being unsafe and [TS]

00:13:18   doesn't wear a helmet he was sacrificing [TS]

00:13:20   his pretty face an amazing brain for my [TS]

00:13:25   inferior face and braid nobody should [TS]

00:13:27   catch flack for that because he was [TS]

00:13:29   being unsafe i don't care if he normally [TS]

00:13:31   wears a helmet it's still done Derek [TS]

00:13:34   listening to this where a fucking helmet [TS]

00:13:37   when you're riding your bike [TS]

00:13:39   what the hell's wrong with you man if [TS]

00:13:40   I'm ever gonna visit you in LA I can't [TS]

00:13:42   do it if you're dead [TS]

00:13:44   I love it when you get old mumsy and [TS]

00:13:45   protective not being mumsy it's just [TS]

00:13:49   it's stupid it's just ridiculously [TS]

00:13:51   stupid disappointed in you Derek I'm [TS]

00:13:53   really disappointed and then like within [TS]

00:13:55   five minutes he was pulling at his phone [TS]

00:13:57   and sending text messages while we're [TS]

00:13:59   riding a lot of the morning right anyone [TS]

00:14:00   I don't want to hear this [TS]

00:14:02   I don't even want to know this is just I [TS]

00:14:04   told him up for that [TS]

00:14:05   oh yeah that's that's where you draw the [TS]

00:14:07   line Frank you're happy to take his [TS]

00:14:09   helmet away his skull protector but the [TS]

00:14:11   instant gets on his phone with text [TS]

00:14:12   messages [TS]

00:14:13   oh that's that's over the line now for [TS]

00:14:15   Brady suddenly Brady gets protective now [TS]

00:14:18   there was a very funny moment though [TS]

00:14:21   when we are riding alone you know this [TS]

00:14:23   place like pass on the beach so you can [TS]

00:14:25   ride along the beach you know it's over [TS]

00:14:27   it was over a lovely and we were [TS]

00:14:28   planning on saying Michael that not of [TS]

00:14:31   the source file so we had to call him up [TS]

00:14:35   so as we were riding a log we called him [TS]

00:14:38   up on speakerphone and we were riding [TS]

00:14:42   side by side while [TS]

00:14:44   Marcos voice was blasting out of the [TS]

00:14:45   phone and we were like both talking to [TS]

00:14:48   him like looking at the phone and it did [TS]

00:14:50   occur to me that if there was like a [TS]

00:14:51   bystander who was like really into [TS]

00:14:53   educational YouTube videos people they [TS]

00:14:56   would hope they would have thought was [TS]

00:14:58   that Brady and Derek just riding past [TS]

00:14:59   and we're watching a veces video [TS]

00:15:02   ok this is Michael's voice Blair again [TS]

00:15:05   his phones that and Michael sounds so [TS]

00:15:08   much like Michaels videos to he's like [TS]

00:15:10   he's so the same person that was [TS]

00:15:12   definitely my takeaway the first time [TS]

00:15:13   meeting Michael was when you meet [TS]

00:15:17   someone who does a youtube channel [TS]

00:15:18   there's always a moment of calibrating [TS]

00:15:21   in your brain the difference between [TS]

00:15:22   seen them on camera and then just in [TS]

00:15:25   real life but i have never met anyone as [TS]

00:15:29   close to themselves on and off camera as [TS]

00:15:32   Michael like when you give you ever in a [TS]

00:15:34   room with him and he's talking to [TS]

00:15:35   someone behind you get your brain can't [TS]

00:15:37   help but always think like someone just [TS]

00:15:39   playing a Vsauce video it's where [TS]

00:15:41   someone's playing a resource video on [TS]

00:15:43   their phone [TS]

00:15:44   it's like oh no I'm just in a room with [TS]

00:15:45   Michael he's just a few paces behind me [TS]

00:15:48   talking to someone else that's what's [TS]

00:15:49   going on [TS]

00:15:50   it was fun but we also i mean we really [TS]

00:15:52   live the finished Ron lifestyle we we [TS]

00:15:54   went bike riding the first day and then [TS]

00:15:56   we walked up a mountain we went up to [TS]

00:15:58   the hollywood sign rule sweating up the [TS]

00:16:01   hill there was kind of a very ironic [TS]

00:16:03   moment when we got to the top of this [TS]

00:16:05   Ridge there was a left turn or a right [TS]

00:16:07   turn and the left turn would take you to [TS]

00:16:09   this thing called the wisdom tree and [TS]

00:16:12   the right turn would take you to the [TS]

00:16:13   Hollywood sign out and we say when [TS]

00:16:16   Hollywood I said there's something so [TS]

00:16:18   ironic being with you here Derek [TS]

00:16:19   choosing between western and hollywood [TS]

00:16:20   and he's moved to Hollywood though [TS]

00:16:23   derek has chosen Hollywood actor he's [TS]

00:16:25   definitely the most Hollywood we also [TS]

00:16:27   did go to the wisdom tree but that's [TS]

00:16:28   because it was only a hundred meters [TS]

00:16:29   away then after that impart wisdom I [TS]

00:16:32   imagine didn't imagine it did not I did [TS]

00:16:34   not I did not feel any wiser [TS]

00:16:36   yeah I don't know what I like the tree [TS]

00:16:37   of the knowledge of good and evil upon [TS]

00:16:39   the mount now the country of good and [TS]

00:16:42   evil is not an amount good evils that [TS]

00:16:44   the tree in the garden of eden and that [TS]

00:16:46   the burning bush up on that sign we got [TS]

00:16:48   to get you back to Sunday School bed [TS]

00:16:50   my son is going to to be so disappointed [TS]

00:16:52   i really liked going up to the hollywood [TS]

00:16:54   sign did you are like in the movies they [TS]

00:16:56   always end up sitting on top of one of [TS]

00:16:58   the letters did you and Eric sit on top [TS]

00:17:00   of the letters and hold hands and you [TS]

00:17:02   know [TS]

00:17:02   yeah funnily enough that's not really [TS]

00:17:03   how it works when you actually get them [TS]

00:17:05   really connect you can only look at it [TS]

00:17:07   from behind through a huge mesh fence [TS]

00:17:10   and it's a it's like disappointing but [TS]

00:17:13   it is disappointing in a way i liked i [TS]

00:17:15   like to sort of the grittiness and [TS]

00:17:17   saying that the ladders on the back of [TS]

00:17:18   it it's actually made of like corrugated [TS]

00:17:20   iron like way the corrugated iron and [TS]

00:17:23   then when we got to the summit there was [TS]

00:17:24   a viewer i loved it because he said are [TS]

00:17:27   you do numberphile and then he tried to [TS]

00:17:29   say veritasium couldn't say it he was [TS]

00:17:31   and he was wearing a speed master so we [TS]

00:17:32   ended up just talking about speed [TS]

00:17:33   masters i was at the Hollywood sign [TS]

00:17:36   talking with a number file viewer [TS]

00:17:38   talking about speed masters that I was [TS]

00:17:42   that how couldn't have been happier and [TS]

00:17:43   he got Derek's name wrong and he got his [TS]

00:17:46   name room [TS]

00:17:46   Derek wanted to look at a couple of open [TS]

00:17:49   houses because I think he's he's looking [TS]

00:17:51   at sort of dabbling dabbling with some [TS]

00:17:53   real estate so we are then when he and i [TS]

00:17:56   just went around to open houses together [TS]

00:17:57   like that people were coming up to a [TS]

00:18:00   single so what are you guys looking for [TS]

00:18:01   is this really was a day weekend [TS]

00:18:04   yeah two young guys and love looking to [TS]

00:18:06   buy a house together [TS]

00:18:07   he was a super host i tell you why he he [TS]

00:18:09   went above and beyond the call of duty [TS]

00:18:11   he basically chauffeured me around took [TS]

00:18:13   me four nice meals wined and dined me [TS]

00:18:16   directors had a lot of shows and when a [TS]

00:18:18   good time he was he was fantastic [TS]

00:18:21   so but I'm not gonna stop calling him [TS]

00:18:23   Duke only go so far so so gray I really [TS]

00:18:30   saw strongly strongly think it's time [TS]

00:18:32   that we do some follow-up on guns germs [TS]

00:18:34   and still now now now [TS]

00:18:37   okay listen listen yeah it's just you [TS]

00:18:41   and I took myself into this corner here [TS]

00:18:44   listen people we will do follow-up on [TS]

00:18:46   Guns Germs and Steel is where each time [TS]

00:18:49   we've been preparing for the show I look [TS]

00:18:50   at all of these notes and all of these [TS]

00:18:52   links that i have and i just feel like I [TS]

00:18:54   again I just can't even like I have to [TS]

00:18:57   load all of this stuff into my brain [TS]

00:18:58   before i can even remotely talk about it [TS]

00:19:00   but at least this time I have an excuse [TS]

00:19:02   i have an excuse to put it off because [TS]

00:19:04   actually by the time this podcast will [TS]

00:19:07   be up i will have probably put up the [TS]

00:19:09   second part of the video so at least [TS]

00:19:11   then okay well just get it all over at [TS]

00:19:13   once [TS]

00:19:13   next time but we're not going to do with [TS]

00:19:15   this time you're not going to drag me [TS]

00:19:16   into it Brady people will have just seen [TS]

00:19:19   the other video maybe god I hope so [TS]

00:19:21   by the time this plot gas goes up but [TS]

00:19:23   I'm not getting into it now I'm not [TS]

00:19:24   getting into it i love i love would pick [TS]

00:19:28   when people put things off as piles up [TS]

00:19:31   yeah yeah it gets worse every time [TS]

00:19:32   because you keep going into office twice [TS]

00:19:34   as hard next time I lived with this made [TS]

00:19:37   of mine and we used to like not do the [TS]

00:19:39   dishes until like there was not single [TS]

00:19:41   dish left in the house and then we went [TS]

00:19:43   and then we would like having we would [TS]

00:19:45   have dishes day where we would put on [TS]

00:19:46   music and just do the dishes together [TS]

00:19:48   and off I thought that was really funny [TS]

00:19:50   and I was telling this made of mine [TS]

00:19:52   about it and he said that's nothing [TS]

00:19:54   he had these mates whose house he used [TS]

00:19:56   to go to all the time and they were like [TS]

00:19:58   real slobberer university mates they [TS]

00:20:00   never did their dishes but my mate used [TS]

00:20:03   to always sleep on their couch and use [TS]

00:20:05   their house so he felt a bit guilty like [TS]

00:20:07   you owed him something [TS]

00:20:08   mm so one day he looked at their kitchen [TS]

00:20:11   and thought and there was dishes piled [TS]

00:20:13   like almost to the ceiling like that [TS]

00:20:16   they were just going out buying more [TS]

00:20:17   dishes rather than cleaning dishes and [TS]

00:20:19   things were getting caked on and it was [TS]

00:20:21   like he said it was it was unbelievable [TS]

00:20:23   so he said I'm gonna do these guys a [TS]

00:20:25   favor like really surprised them for [TS]

00:20:27   letting me stay in their house and he [TS]

00:20:29   spent a whole day of party sleeves up [TS]

00:20:31   and spend all day scrubbing these dishes [TS]

00:20:33   like chiseling food off them practically [TS]

00:20:36   what he says he spent four or five hours [TS]

00:20:39   watching these dishes and then piled [TS]

00:20:41   them up all gleaming in the kitchen and [TS]

00:20:43   these guys came home and he sort of said [TS]

00:20:45   I've cleaned or your dishes and they're [TS]

00:20:48   like no why is that yet it took me four [TS]

00:20:50   or five hours but Donna and they were [TS]

00:20:52   like you did all the dishes and he said [TS]

00:20:55   yeah and I didn't believe it and they [TS]

00:20:57   went into the kitchen and I said did you [TS]

00:20:58   do all the dishes and he said yeah I did [TS]

00:21:00   all of them and I said even the ones in [TS]

00:21:02   the laundry and he went into the lobby [TS]

00:21:05   and they were four or five times more [TS]

00:21:08   dishes piled up in the laundry then [TS]

00:21:10   filled up the kitchen with dirty dishes [TS]

00:21:12   and started moving them to the laundry [TS]

00:21:14   and therefore up to our house more [TS]

00:21:17   dishes again just caked in food piled in [TS]

00:21:19   the laundry and my friends that I'm not [TS]

00:21:22   doing those ones and walked away [TS]

00:21:23   I can't get the hell is wrong with [TS]

00:21:25   people ok listen it's like okay there's [TS]

00:21:28   only two things to do in that scenario [TS]

00:21:29   you buy disposable plates that you can [TS]

00:21:33   throw out paper plates plastic utensils [TS]

00:21:35   just buy them it's so cheap to buy them [TS]

00:21:39   or you have a dishwasher [TS]

00:21:41   there shouldn't be anything in the [TS]

00:21:42   middle of these two options if you don't [TS]

00:21:44   have a dishwasher and you could have [TS]

00:21:46   people moving plates into another room [TS]

00:21:49   for long-term storage supply disposable [TS]

00:21:52   ones [TS]

00:21:53   oh they did they did throw those ones [TS]

00:21:55   away the ones in the laundry and then [TS]

00:21:57   they just went out the back and smash [TS]

00:21:58   them and put them in demand [TS]

00:21:59   that's they were disposable ones they [TS]

00:22:01   just bought the expensive [TS]

00:22:02   disposable was made of real dish [TS]

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00:23:57   greyhound kona right-hand corner anyone [TS]

00:24:01   this is this your other corner right [TS]

00:24:03   hand corner right hand corner here is [TS]

00:24:06   that cannot be a kona can i stop it from [TS]

00:24:09   being a corner [TS]

00:24:10   I think not you know I left great hands [TS]

00:24:13   to hear you like greyhounds [TS]

00:24:15   I like Lulu greyhound seems like if you [TS]

00:24:19   and I were going to get behind a dog if [TS]

00:24:20   there was going to be an official dog [TS]

00:24:21   hello Internet it would feel like it [TS]

00:24:24   would be the greyhound because i have [TS]

00:24:25   one and I have great in their name but [TS]

00:24:27   it seems it seems like a no-brainer [TS]

00:24:29   or is that too obvious ah i mean i would [TS]

00:24:33   never get a ground but you know who's [TS]

00:24:35   very lovely i wonder if anyone has named [TS]

00:24:38   a greyhound cgpgrey held it seems [TS]

00:24:41   inevitable now that she's going to get [TS]

00:24:43   this is only a matter of time [TS]

00:24:45   well greyhounds have been a little bit [TS]

00:24:47   in the news lately and on my mind [TS]

00:24:49   why is that i read a story yesterday [TS]

00:24:51   that has outraged me great outrage home [TS]

00:24:54   is about the gambling industry which [TS]

00:24:57   makes a boatload of money from greyhound [TS]

00:24:59   racing and the greyhound racing industry [TS]

00:25:01   is not something i particularly approve [TS]

00:25:03   of but obviously these dogs when they're [TS]

00:25:06   racing days finish traditionally have [TS]

00:25:08   been treated very poorly sometimes they [TS]

00:25:10   have just been put down speak terrible [TS]

00:25:13   isn't it as terrible as that [TS]

00:25:14   yeah i'm gonna agree with you that [TS]

00:25:15   putting down dogs after their racing [TS]

00:25:18   days are over is not a good not a good [TS]

00:25:21   thing the ground now how racing is just [TS]

00:25:23   all something that's really weird about [TS]

00:25:25   it I great i agree i grew up in a place [TS]

00:25:27   where there was a horse racing which I'm [TS]

00:25:30   sure is not exactly like a pleasant [TS]

00:25:31   industry but for some reason when you [TS]

00:25:33   grow up near ish or hearing of a thing [TS]

00:25:35   it just seems more normal and i never [TS]

00:25:37   saw a greyhound race until I came to the [TS]

00:25:40   UK and that was the first time SI camera [TS]

00:25:42   where was there some big greyhound race [TS]

00:25:45   track that closed down a few years ago [TS]

00:25:47   and i went there with some friends [TS]

00:25:49   because they were they were fans of it [TS]

00:25:51   and it was won the last race anyway so I [TS]

00:25:53   saw a greyhound racing just a strange [TS]

00:25:56   thing to see ya [TS]

00:25:58   these dogs that have been bred to be [TS]

00:26:00   like cheetahs racing it's like it's made [TS]

00:26:04   up to isn't it like it like you're right [TS]

00:26:06   for some reason maybe it's just [TS]

00:26:07   conditioning horse-racing kind of seems [TS]

00:26:10   normal [TS]

00:26:11   and then it's like you would make up for [TS]

00:26:13   a joke or we could raise dogs or we [TS]

00:26:14   could write and then but now we wouldn't [TS]

00:26:16   really do that but they do that right [TS]

00:26:18   now I'm sure it's probably got a history [TS]

00:26:19   longer than horse racing for all I know [TS]

00:26:21   but it does seem it does seem strange [TS]

00:26:23   yeah but yeah but not only that it's [TS]

00:26:25   like we're going to super breed these [TS]

00:26:26   dogs to be amazing [TS]

00:26:29   runners like we're gonna drench we're [TS]

00:26:31   going to stretch their biology as far as [TS]

00:26:34   we can to turn them into running [TS]

00:26:36   machines so there is there is though [TS]

00:26:40   this sort of retired greyhound industry [TS]

00:26:44   we're not an industry is a charity where [TS]

00:26:46   they they take these dogs after they've [TS]

00:26:49   finished their racing days and they [TS]

00:26:51   rehome them that is where literally [TS]

00:26:53   comes from Lily was a racing dog lil [TS]

00:26:56   erased had a semi-successful racing [TS]

00:26:59   career she was retired she went off to a [TS]

00:27:02   retired greyhound trust that had the job [TS]

00:27:04   of finding a home for Lulu and literally [TS]

00:27:06   found a home with us [TS]

00:27:08   the retired greyhound industry is funded [TS]

00:27:10   by the racing industry itself and at the [TS]

00:27:13   moment there's a lot going on in in the [TS]

00:27:15   parliament and in the media about the [TS]

00:27:18   betting industry not giving enough or in [TS]

00:27:21   some cases not giving any money to [TS]

00:27:23   retired racing greyhounds that basically [TS]

00:27:26   I have a voluntary levy and the amount [TS]

00:27:28   left there giving to this it to the [TS]

00:27:30   retired greyhounds has fallen by nearly [TS]

00:27:33   fifty percent in the past decade [TS]

00:27:35   despite the profits being in the [TS]

00:27:37   hundreds of millions of pounds and I [TS]

00:27:39   guess that the companies that are [TS]

00:27:40   running the race tracks or whatever [TS]

00:27:42   yeah they they have signed up for a [TS]

00:27:45   policy of self-regulation is that oh [TS]

00:27:47   don't worry we'll choose to donate a [TS]

00:27:50   certain amount of money towards the [TS]

00:27:51   continued care of greyhounds like is [TS]

00:27:53   that the current state of things like [TS]

00:27:54   they're just opting to do it that's my [TS]

00:27:56   reading of it does seem like it's a it's [TS]

00:27:58   basically a public relations thing I [TS]

00:28:00   mean obviously the greyhound racing [TS]

00:28:02   industry can get a slap a lot for the [TS]

00:28:05   treatment of dogs quite rightly and I [TS]

00:28:07   think for PR reasons they have they have [TS]

00:28:10   these things in place and if you go to [TS]

00:28:12   great i have been to a greyhound racing [TS]

00:28:14   event as well they had they always have [TS]

00:28:16   like a section halfway through that [TS]

00:28:18   whether parade a couple of retired [TS]

00:28:19   greyhounds and i'll talk about the [TS]

00:28:21   retired greyhound trust so it's [TS]

00:28:23   obviously sort of a a diffusing PR [TS]

00:28:26   tactic to say we are weak we support [TS]

00:28:29   these dogs afterwards but that support [TS]

00:28:31   is clearly waning there's one gambling [TS]

00:28:34   according to this article there's one [TS]

00:28:35   very famous gambling company in the UK [TS]

00:28:37   called betfair and they announced a few [TS]

00:28:40   years ago that they were stopping their [TS]

00:28:42   voluntary [TS]

00:28:42   attribution of 800,000 pounds a year i [TS]

00:28:45   think this is outrageous i read this [TS]

00:28:48   article last night and I was so angry [TS]

00:28:49   and I thought our people need to know [TS]

00:28:51   this i wish more people knew and if only [TS]

00:28:54   I had some way that I could tell lots of [TS]

00:28:56   people about this and then sort of [TS]

00:28:58   occurred to me are i do a podcast or [TS]

00:29:00   cgpgrey maybe i'll mention it there and [TS]

00:29:03   i don't know i don't know you know i did [TS]

00:29:05   it i don't know what i want to happen or [TS]

00:29:08   people to do but i just want to say this [TS]

00:29:11   is outrageous [TS]

00:29:12   greyhounds a wonderful wonderful animals [TS]

00:29:15   and this makes me angry [TS]

00:29:17   so do you think that the the bedding [TS]

00:29:19   company should be required to pay for [TS]

00:29:20   the Greyhounds end-of-life or rehousing [TS]

00:29:24   or was it like what do you think is the [TS]

00:29:26   ideal outcome here i think they should [TS]

00:29:28   be forced that and this is what's being [TS]

00:29:30   debated in parliament I think making [TS]

00:29:32   this sort of levy and payment compulsory [TS]

00:29:34   and not just a voluntary PR thing I [TS]

00:29:37   think the people who are making all this [TS]

00:29:39   money out of the Greyhounds should be [TS]

00:29:41   doing more to rehome them and I think if [TS]

00:29:45   this company like I think if the [TS]

00:29:47   industry's making 237 million pounds out [TS]

00:29:51   of greyhounds i think a reasonable chunk [TS]

00:29:54   of that should be going towards making [TS]

00:29:56   sure that these greyhounds have a nice [TS]

00:29:58   life afterwards and don't just get [TS]

00:30:00   killed and have the ear cut off so that [TS]

00:30:03   people can't see the tattoo in the [TS]

00:30:05   Greyhounds here and know who killed it [TS]

00:30:07   it's not unreasonable is that ok so i [TS]

00:30:08   got a couple questions here go ahead i [TS]

00:30:11   will probably probably won't have the [TS]

00:30:12   answers I'm just like stirred up by an [TS]

00:30:14   irate that it turns out no answers to [TS]

00:30:17   anything [TS]

00:30:18   yeah that's how that's not as now [TS]

00:30:20   internet angle works is that bridges the [TS]

00:30:23   bare minimum of facts maximum oceans [TS]

00:30:26   right good i love your hugs i have one [TS]

00:30:28   of these bugs [TS]

00:30:30   ya know that this is like this is like I [TS]

00:30:32   do I have been following us for a while [TS]

00:30:34   I could have gone to greyhound charity [TS]

00:30:37   events and who we've been very involved [TS]

00:30:39   in patronage for retired greyhounds so I [TS]

00:30:42   this is very close to my heart [TS]

00:30:43   obviously it's it seems to have just [TS]

00:30:45   bubbled to the surface of it lately [TS]

00:30:46   there's been a few stories going around [TS]

00:30:48   about mistreatment of the dogs and you [TS]

00:30:51   know abandoned dogs found with you know [TS]

00:30:53   this year missing and things like that [TS]

00:30:55   and it's got me [TS]

00:30:56   it's got me stirred up the thing to me [TS]

00:30:58   that is immediately strikes me as is an [TS]

00:31:00   externality in economics [TS]

00:31:02   there's a cost that a company doesn't [TS]

00:31:04   want to bear but they are a producer of [TS]

00:31:06   that cost [TS]

00:31:07   it's like okay so you have this industry [TS]

00:31:09   which turns through the Greyhounds but [TS]

00:31:13   then they don't want to pay for the [TS]

00:31:14   retirement of the Greyhounds right but [TS]

00:31:16   they want to take all of the profits [TS]

00:31:17   from the Prime life of the grounds as I [TS]

00:31:20   ok i am anti externality in general [TS]

00:31:22   because then you're not incorporating [TS]

00:31:24   like the full cost of the thing and it [TS]

00:31:26   like externalities are bad but I'm just [TS]

00:31:28   but it's occurred to me as you're [TS]

00:31:30   talking though is who owns the [TS]

00:31:33   Greyhounds during their racing lifelike [TS]

00:31:36   presumably the betting companies don't [TS]

00:31:39   know on the greyhound now I never liked [TS]

00:31:41   the right but their own vibrators and [TS]

00:31:42   there are people who raised them and for [TS]

00:31:44   him and these people these people are [TS]

00:31:46   also under the cosh it's not like i'm [TS]

00:31:48   talking about the the betting industry [TS]

00:31:50   because I guess the building industry I [TS]

00:31:52   think make the most money I think they [TS]

00:31:54   make more than the breeders and also the [TS]

00:31:56   bedding industry seem to be the ones who [TS]

00:31:58   are in the firing line at the moment [TS]

00:32:00   whether that's because they're the ones [TS]

00:32:02   who are reneging on their commitment and [TS]

00:32:04   the breeders are not reneging I don't [TS]

00:32:06   know if that's the case or not I don't [TS]

00:32:08   know the current status of whether the [TS]

00:32:09   breeders are doing their bit and so it's [TS]

00:32:11   the bedding industry they're getting [TS]

00:32:12   slapped around but you are quite right [TS]

00:32:14   there [TS]

00:32:15   these are bred by you know people who [TS]

00:32:17   race greyhounds for a living and I [TS]

00:32:19   believe they have obligations in this [TS]

00:32:21   area as well i'm not saying that it's [TS]

00:32:22   just the bedding industry that is [TS]

00:32:24   responsible but the building industry is [TS]

00:32:26   what drives this industry like if the [TS]

00:32:28   betting if betting on greyhounds ended [TS]

00:32:30   tomorrow I think greyhound racing would [TS]

00:32:32   would end within a year [TS]

00:32:34   yeah that's what I was just wondering [TS]

00:32:35   like who are the players here and it [TS]

00:32:38   just it just occurred to me like it [TS]

00:32:39   seems unlikely the company you know get [TS]

00:32:41   I don't know anything about this but [TS]

00:32:42   just thinking okay someone else must own [TS]

00:32:44   these dogs the players of the Breeders [TS]

00:32:47   the tracks and the entertainment around [TS]

00:32:49   the people who you know sell beers and [TS]

00:32:51   meals to people who can watch it the [TS]

00:32:52   betting industry presumably TV and media [TS]

00:32:56   although i don't know how much that's is [TS]

00:32:58   supplementing the gambling and how much [TS]

00:32:59   people just watch for the fun of it but [TS]

00:33:01   there are there are multiple [TS]

00:33:02   stakeholders here who who are extracting [TS]

00:33:05   value to use the grays and from the dogs [TS]

00:33:07   and I think they should [TS]

00:33:10   put some value into their retirement if [TS]

00:33:13   you were Emperor for a moment here [TS]

00:33:15   mhm would you allow the greyhound racing [TS]

00:33:20   industry to exist and you get to [TS]

00:33:23   determine what percentage should go to [TS]

00:33:25   happy greyhound retirement or if you [TS]

00:33:28   were Emperor would you ban greyhound [TS]

00:33:32   racing [TS]

00:33:32   well that's an interesting question i [TS]

00:33:35   mean obviously because i have a [TS]

00:33:37   greyhound that I love like I I'm glad [TS]

00:33:39   that the industry existed before because [TS]

00:33:41   it brought into existence so right but [TS]

00:33:44   if I was Emperor cat became for tomorrow [TS]

00:33:46   that would put me in a very interesting [TS]

00:33:48   conundrum that's why I'm asking [TS]

00:33:51   I don't know my my first instinct was to [TS]

00:33:54   say stop button but if I was Emperor and [TS]

00:33:57   all-powerful I mean I see how much [TS]

00:34:00   pleasure louie gets from running is this [TS]

00:34:02   she's never happier than when she's [TS]

00:34:03   running really fast she was just she was [TS]

00:34:05   bred to love that but I mean if I was [TS]

00:34:08   Emperor and I could have every every dog [TS]

00:34:10   pampered and on a big velvet pillow [TS]

00:34:15   eating its favorite pig's ears and then [TS]

00:34:17   do one race awake and then get a nice [TS]

00:34:19   pat afterwards and lots of people watch [TS]

00:34:22   it and enjoy it and then they have these [TS]

00:34:23   amazing retirement sand [TS]

00:34:25   I mean if the live if the level of care [TS]

00:34:27   was like luxury spire in vegas level and [TS]

00:34:32   i'm empress so i can dictate that well [TS]

00:34:33   you can dictate a percentage of the [TS]

00:34:35   company's money that has to be spent on [TS]

00:34:37   the Greyhounds right on welfare right [TS]

00:34:39   you can't I mean unless you're gonna [TS]

00:34:41   start taxing people to just take care of [TS]

00:34:44   greyhounds like you're taxing the whole [TS]

00:34:45   from the whole nation I think you might [TS]

00:34:46   then have some some problems on your [TS]

00:34:48   hands there but you could say like Oh [TS]

00:34:49   fifty percent of your profits have to go [TS]

00:34:51   into greyhound luxury services like [TS]

00:34:54   that's what you can do [TS]

00:34:55   part of me says stop but you know we [TS]

00:34:57   shouldn't be using animals in this way [TS]

00:34:59   but I ate mate and I don't I great [TS]

00:35:02   Adonai that's a really good question i [TS]

00:35:04   think if i became Emperor tomorrow I [TS]

00:35:06   would phase out greyhound racing [TS]

00:35:09   hmm i have been to race I've been to [TS]

00:35:11   greyhound racing before I've even bet on [TS]

00:35:13   that on greyhound races so there is a [TS]

00:35:17   heads-up of hypocrisy there [TS]

00:35:19   but I think I would be comfortable [TS]

00:35:20   phasing it out over time [TS]

00:35:23   yeah even if it meant that greyhounds [TS]

00:35:25   ceased to exist eventually I'm going to [TS]

00:35:27   be a bit gray rational about that and [TS]

00:35:28   say that if the dogs if people like the [TS]

00:35:30   dogs and braid them they'll continue and [TS]

00:35:32   if they don't know why sort of survival [TS]

00:35:35   of the fittest maybe i don't i love i [TS]

00:35:39   love the idea of survival of the fittest [TS]

00:35:41   as though there's any kind of natural [TS]

00:35:43   selection with dog breathe you can think [TS]

00:35:45   that situation where did the world's [TS]

00:35:47   most bread example it's like it's more [TS]

00:35:49   like survival of the cutest or survival [TS]

00:35:51   of the best survival of the most [TS]

00:35:53   appealing to humans [TS]

00:35:54   yeah or at least appealing to a [TS]

00:35:56   subsection of humans right like this is [TS]

00:35:58   this is the most anti natural selection [TS]

00:35:59   there could possibly be as long as there [TS]

00:36:02   remains a small group of humans that are [TS]

00:36:04   extremely dedicated to greyhound [TS]

00:36:06   breeding like there will still exist [TS]

00:36:07   greyhounds i have i've got another grey [TS]

00:36:09   handle Emma [TS]

00:36:11   oh yeah on a recent holiday loot it was [TS]

00:36:13   running on the beach loon loves running [TS]

00:36:16   on the beach that is like that is head [TS]

00:36:18   navona em and i was filming here with my [TS]

00:36:21   iphone and I was filming her in slow [TS]

00:36:23   motion so that i could just watch some [TS]

00:36:25   great you know glorious majestic footage [TS]

00:36:27   of her running along the page and she [TS]

00:36:29   was running towards me at absolute tops [TS]

00:36:32   paid and there was a paddle in like on [TS]

00:36:35   the beach that she couldn't say and I i [TS]

00:36:37   well I was oblivious to it as well [TS]

00:36:38   because the water was very clear and [TS]

00:36:40   still and when she stepped into this [TS]

00:36:42   puddle she had the most spectacular [TS]

00:36:44   crash you could imagine she I mean [TS]

00:36:47   you've seen the footage of it see she [TS]

00:36:49   smashed down headfirst onto her neck she [TS]

00:36:52   rolled onto her back she slid for about [TS]

00:36:55   two or three meters on her back across [TS]

00:36:57   the wet sand ordering ordering my little [TS]

00:37:00   chihuahua who was watching had to leap [TS]

00:37:02   out of the way because she was about to [TS]

00:37:04   get clean that like a like a skittle by [TS]

00:37:07   a bowling ball and like for a split [TS]

00:37:10   second I thought literally had broken [TS]

00:37:12   her neck and was about and she was gonna [TS]

00:37:14   die but straightaway Lulu jumped up [TS]

00:37:16   shook the water sand and water out of [TS]

00:37:18   her coat wagged her tail and was ready [TS]

00:37:21   for more running [TS]

00:37:22   she was absolutely fine and as soon as I [TS]

00:37:24   realized she was fine and ready for [TS]

00:37:25   action [TS]

00:37:26   the thought also occurred to me I just [TS]

00:37:29   filmed this in slow motion [TS]

00:37:31   and I and I looked up to my wife with a [TS]

00:37:34   smile on my face she was just completely [TS]

00:37:36   destroyed worried that literally was [TS]

00:37:37   heard and I just looked at my wife and [TS]

00:37:39   said I've got that on film [TS]

00:37:41   yeah what a good girl Carrie ok and she [TS]

00:37:48   was a bit disappointed like she was that [TS]

00:37:50   all you care about is feeling I said [TS]

00:37:51   look she's absolutely fine and she's [TS]

00:37:53   we're gonna time she wants to run we put [TS]

00:37:55   on the late for 10 minutes because we [TS]

00:37:56   were worried that maybe she shouldn't [TS]

00:37:58   run but she just wanted off the way she [TS]

00:38:00   wanted to run she was absolutely fine [TS]

00:38:02   this happened a number of months ago and [TS]

00:38:04   i am yet to do anything with this [TS]

00:38:06   footage other than show it to a few of [TS]

00:38:08   my friends because part of me now feels [TS]

00:38:10   like it would be wrong of me to take [TS]

00:38:13   advantage of like her mishap [TS]

00:38:15   I've been like I've been torn about [TS]

00:38:17   whether i should like put this up on [TS]

00:38:18   youtube for people to look at and have a [TS]

00:38:20   laugh at or I should just like save [TS]

00:38:23   Lou's embarrassment Lulu's not going to [TS]

00:38:26   be in various now now i know of course [TS]

00:38:28   she's not i know she's a dog but i felt [TS]

00:38:31   a bit torn about it but I think maybe [TS]

00:38:32   the time has come to put it on YouTube [TS]

00:38:35   and I just I just want you to hold my [TS]

00:38:37   hand here for a minute and tell me it's [TS]

00:38:38   okay it's okay because Lulu is fine and [TS]

00:38:43   i have never seen a more magnificent [TS]

00:38:48   filming of anything human or animal [TS]

00:38:51   tripping up bandages totally crashing in [TS]

00:38:56   the way that she does in that video and [TS]

00:38:59   again the very fact of of poor little [TS]

00:39:03   Audrey realizing what's occurring and [TS]

00:39:05   running to get out of the way and just [TS]

00:39:08   making it the video is just perfect in [TS]

00:39:10   every every way that it could be you [TS]

00:39:12   have to put this up on youtube it is [TS]

00:39:13   going to be a freeboot central when I do [TS]

00:39:15   it isn't it yeah yeah without a doubt is [TS]

00:39:17   going to gonna be everywhere immediately [TS]

00:39:19   because it's it's amazing the fact that [TS]

00:39:21   it's an like it would be a great video [TS]

00:39:22   if it was just a regular video the fact [TS]

00:39:24   that you happen to be filming in slow [TS]

00:39:26   motion when this occurred is it needs [TS]

00:39:28   like winning the lottery [TS]

00:39:29   it's filming something like that you [TS]

00:39:31   have to put it out maybe I should put it [TS]

00:39:32   up and somehow do it for the Greyhounds [TS]

00:39:34   do it for the Greyhounds whatever you [TS]

00:39:36   got to tell yourself man just get this [TS]

00:39:37   up on youtube like you can do it for the [TS]

00:39:41   Greyhounds you know you can donate the [TS]

00:39:42   money that's that's raised from that the [TS]

00:39:44   great Huntress [TS]

00:39:45   whatever man just like put it up put it [TS]

00:39:47   up with great for the Greyhounds sure [TS]

00:39:48   whatever you can sign off on your [TS]

00:39:50   conscience with that one [TS]

00:39:51   I basically want people to say it's [TS]

00:39:53   amazing but of course you do and I've [TS]

00:39:55   been hearing about this for months now [TS]

00:39:57   write occasionally goes out solutions i [TS]

00:39:59   put that video up just click just do it [TS]

00:40:01   go ahead here look look here's the thing [TS]

00:40:04   yeah you know now we're doing this [TS]

00:40:06   podcast I'm I promise you Brady I won't [TS]

00:40:09   cut out this part so this is going to go [TS]

00:40:13   up and then people are going to harangue [TS]

00:40:16   you for it if it's not in the show notes [TS]

00:40:18   so you have to put it up now okay but is [TS]

00:40:21   is this it's moment or is this a chance [TS]

00:40:23   just to build up more anticipation [TS]

00:40:25   because now will be disappointing i'm [TS]

00:40:27   even great picked up i'm giving you what [TS]

00:40:29   you want which is that I am checkmating [TS]

00:40:32   you into having to put this video up so [TS]

00:40:34   that you can feel that you don't have [TS]

00:40:36   the responsibility of this you doing it [TS]

00:40:38   for the Greyhounds right here in the [TS]

00:40:39   you're in the moral clear on this one [TS]

00:40:41   Brady because I'm putting it in the [TS]

00:40:43   shank a thank you you're a good friend a [TS]

00:40:48   good friend who bullies you before you [TS]

00:40:51   can get it you didn't believe me [TS]

00:40:53   you just get you you gave me what I [TS]

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00:42:20   referendum date has been set [TS]

00:42:23   I believe it's during the Glastonbury [TS]

00:42:25   music festival which I intend to be at [TS]

00:42:27   so that is a spanner in the works if I [TS]

00:42:31   intended to go to the polling stations i [TS]

00:42:32   think it is june twenty third and so yes [TS]

00:42:35   it is it is a in out vote on whether or [TS]

00:42:39   not the United Kingdom should stay in [TS]

00:42:41   the european union or if it should leave [TS]

00:42:45   isn't that cut and dry in or out is it [TS]

00:42:46   sort of a bit watered down and we voting [TS]

00:42:49   to consider leaving and they'll be more [TS]

00:42:51   steps or is it really you know [TS]

00:42:52   black-and-white binary i attempted a [TS]

00:42:55   little bit to look into this and it just [TS]

00:42:57   it with so many of these things that [TS]

00:42:59   gets so complicated so fast but my [TS]

00:43:03   impression is that a vote on leaving the [TS]

00:43:08   european union would start the mechanics [TS]

00:43:11   of actually the UK leaving [TS]

00:43:14   it's not like boom on that day suddenly [TS]

00:43:16   it's out it's a bit like if the scottish [TS]

00:43:18   independence referendum had gone [TS]

00:43:19   differently that would have been the [TS]

00:43:22   start of presumably a possibly multi [TS]

00:43:25   year long project of Scotland to [TS]

00:43:27   eventually become independent and i'm [TS]

00:43:29   guessing that the same kind of thing is [TS]

00:43:31   going to be the result of this vote one [TS]

00:43:34   way or the other [TS]

00:43:35   yeah but it's on we seem to like to [TS]

00:43:38   track referendums and votes on this [TS]

00:43:41   podcast and so now this is another thing [TS]

00:43:42   that is going to be coming up something [TS]

00:43:44   that we can have on our radar for the [TS]

00:43:47   future [TS]

00:43:48   it's a great tragedy that hello internet [TS]

00:43:49   is not in one of these podcast networks [TS]

00:43:52   because if we were we could have had a [TS]

00:43:54   postcard referendum let the people [TS]

00:43:56   decide if we should like withdraw from [TS]

00:43:58   network that we could have mirrored that [TS]

00:44:00   like we did the flag referendum but [TS]

00:44:02   that's not to be there's not really [TS]

00:44:03   anything hello Internet can be in or out [TS]

00:44:06   of so we haven't really got like a [TS]

00:44:07   something we can sort of secede from now [TS]

00:44:10   that's because we are our own [TS]

00:44:11   independent nation here Brady right when [TS]

00:44:13   hearts we're not in any of these [TS]

00:44:15   coalition's yeah we're a mighty mighty [TS]

00:44:17   nation [TS]

00:44:18   yes so I I think like there's a million [TS]

00:44:20   questions about this i'm secretly hoping [TS]

00:44:23   grace going to make a video but I don't [TS]

00:44:24   know if you will or not he doesn't tell [TS]

00:44:25   me these things but the million-dollar [TS]

00:44:27   question is this [TS]

00:44:29   do you think the UK should be in or out [TS]

00:44:32   can you can you fight by the way you [TS]

00:44:34   know that's actually a good question if [TS]

00:44:36   I can vote my current voting status is [TS]

00:44:39   entirely based on this funny arrangement [TS]

00:44:42   that the united kingdom and ireland [TS]

00:44:43   happens to have with their citizens like [TS]

00:44:45   it has nothing to do with you if I was [TS]

00:44:48   an Italian citizen living in the United [TS]

00:44:51   Kingdom i would not be allowed to vote [TS]

00:44:52   in national elections but actually never [TS]

00:44:55   occurred to me until you just ask now if [TS]

00:44:57   I can vote and I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

00:44:59   if I'm not allowed to vote i don't know [TS]

00:45:01   what the rules are [TS]

00:45:02   I may not be able to vote on this as an [TS]

00:45:05   Irish citizen in the UK i can invite by [TS]

00:45:08   the way I i have on a fully-fledged UK [TS]

00:45:11   person i have the iphone UK passport but [TS]

00:45:14   do you know how you're going to vote i [TS]

00:45:16   do not yet know how I'm going to vote i [TS]

00:45:18   am very unfamiliar with all the [TS]

00:45:20   arguments which I I think we're about to [TS]

00:45:21   start in earnest now [TS]

00:45:23   mm I completely and utterly reserve the [TS]

00:45:27   right to change my mind but if I had it [TS]

00:45:30   but if someone put a gun to my head [TS]

00:45:31   right now it's a brady vote i pull the [TS]

00:45:33   trigger [TS]

00:45:34   I would vote to stay in the EU if you [TS]

00:45:37   have any particular reasons why or is [TS]

00:45:38   that just a gut feeling it's partly got [TS]

00:45:41   and it's partly that I feel like some of [TS]

00:45:44   the people who want to leave the a year [TS]

00:45:46   perhaps have a more insula I don't mean [TS]

00:45:49   in Chile in like a in a judgment away [TS]

00:45:51   but they're more in the UK they look [TS]

00:45:54   more into the person and they they see [TS]

00:45:56   the EU as an external thing and then [TS]

00:45:58   that they don't like because of my work [TS]

00:46:00   I travel into the EU a lot i do business [TS]

00:46:03   in the EU [TS]

00:46:05   I like the freedom of all of that and I [TS]

00:46:07   I suspect if the UK was no longer in the [TS]

00:46:10   EU they would be just more barriers put [TS]

00:46:14   up to that not necessarily [TS]

00:46:15   insurmountably barriers and you know [TS]

00:46:17   there was a time when there wasn't you [TS]

00:46:19   and business to happened [TS]

00:46:20   but it has become very easy having the [TS]

00:46:23   EU as one big thing for someone in my [TS]

00:46:25   position so for a purely selfish [TS]

00:46:28   perspective I like being able to travel [TS]

00:46:30   and do business in the EU without much [TS]

00:46:33   encumbrance so I think that's a good [TS]

00:46:34   thing for me [TS]

00:46:35   what would be your feeling ok so you [TS]

00:46:37   were whispering before like oh you're [TS]

00:46:39   wondering if I'm going to make a video [TS]

00:46:40   about this i don't like to talk about [TS]

00:46:42   video projects but i can say it's pretty [TS]

00:46:45   likely that i will end up making a video [TS]

00:46:47   on this topic I mean so here's the thing [TS]

00:46:50   every time I have looked into doing any [TS]

00:46:51   kind of video on on the EU of which i [TS]

00:46:54   have only done one that just barely [TS]

00:46:56   touched on anything like the EU and its [TS]

00:46:58   relationship with all of the member [TS]

00:47:00   countries is just so incredibly [TS]

00:47:04   complicated and I used to be very much [TS]

00:47:10   more pro teu than I am now after having [TS]

00:47:14   looked into a whole bunch of stuff about [TS]

00:47:16   it because looking into the details of [TS]

00:47:19   how the European Union operates like a [TS]

00:47:21   bunch of people I used to dismiss as [TS]

00:47:23   kind of crazy people about how the [TS]

00:47:24   european union is super undemocratic [TS]

00:47:26   like when you actually dig into all of [TS]

00:47:29   the details about how the whole system [TS]

00:47:31   works you like you know it kind of is an [TS]

00:47:34   undemocratic governmental body like they [TS]

00:47:37   just have so many weird ways that so [TS]

00:47:40   many unelected people make decisions so [TS]

00:47:43   I do not dismiss the criticism of the EU [TS]

00:47:47   out of hand [TS]

00:47:48   it's just it's the whole thing is very [TS]

00:47:50   very complicated it's definitely a also [TS]

00:47:54   like aside from its kind of you know [TS]

00:47:57   overriding structure is a very flawed [TS]

00:48:00   body like I did I certainly could [TS]

00:48:01   criticize things that you do and the [TS]

00:48:04   wastefulness and things like that until [TS]

00:48:06   the cows come home but like you say [TS]

00:48:08   that's maybe that's not the core [TS]

00:48:10   argument I don't know the thing is we're [TS]

00:48:12   not getting we're not getting a vote on [TS]

00:48:13   changing that right well let's get we're [TS]

00:48:15   just getting a vote on leaving it right [TS]

00:48:16   that's exactly it like this there's an [TS]

00:48:18   in-out vote and there's like a [TS]

00:48:19   superstructure that maybe you like maybe [TS]

00:48:21   you don't like and everybody has [TS]

00:48:24   different feelings on this that the [TS]

00:48:26   slang term for this argument often is [TS]

00:48:29   the shorthand where people talk about [TS]

00:48:31   the United States of Europe where it [TS]

00:48:33   seems like there's a general political [TS]

00:48:36   movement towards more of a United States [TS]

00:48:39   of Europe situation meaning that the the [TS]

00:48:42   various member countries are more [TS]

00:48:43   unified and what they do as opposed to [TS]

00:48:45   the current situation where they are [TS]

00:48:46   less unified it's tied up in all of this [TS]

00:48:50   complicated argument about like what do [TS]

00:48:52   you want the European Union to be and do [TS]

00:48:54   you want to continue to be a member of [TS]

00:48:56   that I am definitely going to over the [TS]

00:48:59   next few weeks [TS]

00:49:01   try and dig into as much as I can of the [TS]

00:49:06   argument for leaving because my natural [TS]

00:49:12   first response is like you if I had to [TS]

00:49:15   vote today if someone just put a gun to [TS]

00:49:17   my head I would say the UK should stay [TS]

00:49:20   in like that is my natural position on [TS]

00:49:24   this [TS]

00:49:25   I think the leaving would be a mistake [TS]

00:49:26   if i'm going to put together a video on [TS]

00:49:29   this i can't i can't just take my [TS]

00:49:32   natural response and then just be like [TS]

00:49:34   here's all the reasons that we just stay [TS]

00:49:36   in so i am i am interested in seeking [TS]

00:49:39   out and trying to find all of the [TS]

00:49:40   arguments for the opposite side of this [TS]

00:49:44   should I take from this that you're [TS]

00:49:45   leaning towards the video that will have [TS]

00:49:48   a have more of a position rather than [TS]

00:49:50   just laying out the facts much should we [TS]

00:49:52   expect a video where you come to a [TS]

00:49:54   conclusion then that doesn't sound like [TS]

00:49:55   your normal video you would make yeah [TS]

00:49:57   well here's the thing i can't say if the [TS]

00:49:59   video comes to a conclusion without [TS]

00:50:01   having actually done all of the research [TS]

00:50:03   ahead of time like i like i don't [TS]

00:50:05   outright but it look let's imagine right [TS]

00:50:07   let's imagine a scenario in which my [TS]

00:50:09   initial thoughts of what are you know [TS]

00:50:11   what I have gleaned about how the EU in [TS]

00:50:13   the UK interact over the years of living [TS]

00:50:14   here if my initial thoughts hand out to [TS]

00:50:18   the way that I think they mi I would be [TS]

00:50:20   very comfortable making a video that [TS]

00:50:21   that explicitly said something like the [TS]

00:50:25   UK should stay in the EU if after i feel [TS]

00:50:28   like i have done due diligence on this [TS]

00:50:29   topic that i can i can back that I'd be [TS]

00:50:32   fine making a video like that but I [TS]

00:50:34   don't know if that's the way that video [TS]

00:50:35   is going to come out until I actually [TS]

00:50:37   research more into like both my own side [TS]

00:50:42   right which I don't know all of that all [TS]

00:50:44   that well and the opposing side like it [TS]

00:50:46   just I want to be able to [TS]

00:50:47   look at this more than just my initial [TS]

00:50:48   reaction so I'm curious to try to find [TS]

00:50:52   legitimate sources on both sides for [TS]

00:50:56   this but again my initial impressions [TS]

00:50:58   which internet may be very very wrong [TS]

00:51:02   but my my feeling on this from [TS]

00:51:04   everything i know about the UK and the [TS]

00:51:06   you it always seems like the UK has the [TS]

00:51:09   best of everything when it comes to the [TS]

00:51:11   European Union like the UK has all of [TS]

00:51:13   these exemptions from European laws that [TS]

00:51:16   it doesn't like the UK is not involved [TS]

00:51:18   in the monetary currency so it doesn't [TS]

00:51:20   have to deal with any of those problems [TS]

00:51:22   the UK is not part of the schengen [TS]

00:51:25   agreement so it has its own border [TS]

00:51:27   control that is totally separate from [TS]

00:51:29   the rest of the European Union it seems [TS]

00:51:32   like all of the things that the kinds of [TS]

00:51:35   people who want to leave the EU talk [TS]

00:51:37   about it's like but the UK already has a [TS]

00:51:39   lot of that stuff like it already has [TS]

00:51:41   control of its own currency and borders [TS]

00:51:43   and and many of its own rules [TS]

00:51:46   I don't see the potential gains of [TS]

00:51:50   leaving outweighing the costs like the [TS]

00:51:54   the benefit of being integrated with the [TS]

00:51:56   european union with the ability of being [TS]

00:51:59   able to do business much more easily [TS]

00:52:02   that's my initial thought on it but I [TS]

00:52:03   could be wrong like that could be things [TS]

00:52:04   that I'm not considering here but those [TS]

00:52:07   those are my initial thoughts as of [TS]

00:52:09   right now but like you say is as the as [TS]

00:52:12   the weeks and months go on and people [TS]

00:52:13   start having more arguments about this [TS]

00:52:14   and I start looking into it more deeply [TS]

00:52:16   like I'm a change my opinion on that but [TS]

00:52:19   i think my vote would be to stay in i'm [TS]

00:52:23   assuming you don't like the EU flag just [TS]

00:52:26   boring [TS]

00:52:26   it's like a boring corporate flag that's [TS]

00:52:28   that's what it is like it could be a [TS]

00:52:30   bank flag don't want to just want to [TS]

00:52:33   just want to get you on the record there [TS]

00:52:34   but you know I I don't feel super [TS]

00:52:39   passionately about it because in some [TS]

00:52:40   way like isn't that its job right like [TS]

00:52:42   it's a gigantic supernational structure [TS]

00:52:45   like like if you if you said I looky if [TS]

00:52:48   you said it looks over looks kind of [TS]

00:52:49   Italian it wouldn't be doing its job [TS]

00:52:51   with it [TS]

00:52:51   yeah job number one is to be bland and [TS]

00:52:54   inoffensive think i will put a bunch of [TS]

00:52:56   stars in a circle done packing [TS]

00:53:00   liquid to get into it and even that you [TS]

00:53:02   know they picked the most corporate of [TS]

00:53:03   all colors blue in that respect it [TS]

00:53:05   deserves a designer would like if [TS]

00:53:08   someone said designer blared flag and [TS]

00:53:10   someone came up with that like that they [TS]

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00:54:16   this is what Cory said today on my way [TS]

00:54:19   to work my car broke down the tow truck [TS]

00:54:21   came and picked me up and drove my car [TS]

00:54:23   to the shop he told me I assume this is [TS]

00:54:26   the driver of the tow truck not the tow [TS]

00:54:28   truck itself [TS]

00:54:29   he told me that it would cost a hundred [TS]

00:54:30   and seventy five dollars to hook it up [TS]

00:54:32   and five dollars a mile to get it to the [TS]

00:54:35   shop about 20 miles away and all it [TS]

00:54:37   should have cost me 275 dollars [TS]

00:54:41   however on the ride he asked him what I [TS]

00:54:43   did and I told him computer stuff [TS]

00:54:45   his wife is opening her own dog grooming [TS]

00:54:47   business and needs a website and asked [TS]

00:54:49   if I knew how I probably feel you mean [TS]

00:54:52   about squarespace.com and even gave him [TS]

00:54:54   the promo codes for your podcast and ten [TS]

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00:55:00   the help that he knocked off $25 and [TS]

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00:55:26   what is guaranteed is ten percent of [TS]

00:55:28   your first Squarespace bill when you go [TS]

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00:55:38   have you seen all of the kerfuffle over [TS]

00:55:45   the YouTube system lately it seems like [TS]

00:55:48   a lot of people making videos about how [TS]

00:55:50   they don't like how things are working [TS]

00:55:51   at YouTube have you been following it [TS]

00:55:53   all i have followed a little bit i mean [TS]

00:55:55   i've been living [TS]

00:55:56   I've been living at grey we haven't [TS]

00:55:58   talked about this yeah but I've I've [TS]

00:56:01   I've been at the center of free [TS]

00:56:03   preaching storm in the last week [TS]

00:56:07   oh yes I had a video that i posted to [TS]

00:56:09   YouTube get facebook free booted big [TS]

00:56:12   style hulu to such a point that it [TS]

00:56:15   became a trending topic on youtube I [TS]

00:56:18   think it was the third biggest trending [TS]

00:56:20   now it was the third biggest trending [TS]

00:56:22   topic on facebook while i was just add [TS]

00:56:26   and a victim quit sparkly coincidentally [TS]

00:56:29   but well-timed i was contacted by The [TS]

00:56:32   Wall Street Journal that I do it that [TS]

00:56:34   was doing an article about freebooting [TS]

00:56:36   oh yeah and there and wanted wanted some [TS]

00:56:39   I was sort of recommended to them by the [TS]

00:56:41   interview is I don't think they sought [TS]

00:56:42   me out but I'm sure they sought you out [TS]

00:56:44   of the world expert on freebooting well [TS]

00:56:46   i'm not an expert on freebooting but as [TS]

00:56:48   the corner of the word as I as as some [TS]

00:56:51   people may realize i think i have a [TS]

00:56:54   special place in the pantheon of [TS]

00:56:56   rebooting I was thinking the other day [TS]

00:57:00   they like you know how I like joke [TS]

00:57:02   around brag about how i came up with [TS]

00:57:03   this word that's taken off [TS]

00:57:05   is that something one should brag about [TS]

00:57:07   like if I invented the word murder would [TS]

00:57:10   i be proud of that maybe not here maybe [TS]

00:57:14   this isn't your claim to fame I'm [TS]

00:57:15   realizing maybe it's a claim to inform [TS]

00:57:17   me you know get you know i love when you [TS]

00:57:22   get used to it is it takes some time [TS]

00:57:27   she's saying these things and I don't [TS]

00:57:29   even know how to respond to what you're [TS]

00:57:33   saying is it you really do it's just [TS]

00:57:37   like you've thrown this Brady wrench [TS]

00:57:40   into my brain and all of the gears are [TS]

00:57:42   clogged up route from my brain is trying [TS]

00:57:44   to think like okay how do we explain to [TS]

00:57:46   him that coining the word is not the [TS]

00:57:49   same thing as participating in the thing [TS]

00:57:51   that the word is going with another part [TS]

00:57:53   of my brain is going that is what makes [TS]

00:57:55   me explain you must understand that I [TS]

00:57:57   think that does not need to be explained [TS]

00:57:59   to me but what I'm saying is if you [TS]

00:58:00   invented the word murder would that be [TS]

00:58:03   like a nice it's like it for disease [TS]

00:58:05   gets named after you like is that like [TS]

00:58:08   that's not a good thing is it but seemed [TS]

00:58:10   like the very way you phrase that just [TS]

00:58:11   makes my brain go back to he knows that [TS]

00:58:13   it's not doing the thing right like lou [TS]

00:58:15   gehrig didn't bring Lou Gehrig's disease [TS]

00:58:17   to the world it's named after the [TS]

00:58:20   garrick know exactly but he's like [TS]

00:58:22   forever associated with it right like I [TS]

00:58:25   think I don't think people they're [TS]

00:58:26   blaming Lou Gehrig for this disease but [TS]

00:58:29   he's associated with and if you and if [TS]

00:58:30   and if we could bring him back and ask [TS]

00:58:32   him the question and say do you want [TS]

00:58:34   this disease to be known as Lou Gehrig's [TS]

00:58:36   disease [TS]

00:58:37   this is a bit different now because [TS]

00:58:38   actually named after the person but [TS]

00:58:40   still there is an asst yeah this is this [TS]

00:58:42   is the classic Brady maneuver of taking [TS]

00:58:45   something and turning it into a vastly [TS]

00:58:47   more extreme version of itself was like [TS]

00:58:49   yeah I got much more land much more [TS]

00:58:51   likely to be here if we go back to your [TS]

00:58:52   original example of like inventing the [TS]

00:58:55   word murder [TS]

00:58:56   how could anyone possibly possibly [TS]

00:58:58   object to that like that I measure the [TS]

00:59:01   word murder okay well done I mean no one [TS]

00:59:03   really cares because you read you would [TS]

00:59:05   forever become associated with murder [TS]

00:59:07   like when you looked at me what is great [TS]

00:59:08   about this pretty simple is great about [TS]

00:59:10   this we need to talk about like forever [TS]

00:59:12   associated with this and we clearly come [TS]

00:59:15   to the point long ago maybe even a year [TS]

00:59:18   ago now where the vast majority of [TS]

00:59:21   people who are using the word [TS]

00:59:22   freebooting have no clue who you are man [TS]

00:59:25   right now it's like it's like you have [TS]

00:59:27   this idea of like oh I am forever [TS]

00:59:29   associated with it like are you though [TS]

00:59:32   you are already and long relegated to [TS]

00:59:36   the dustbin of linguistic history here [TS]

00:59:38   my friend right it is only if it was [TS]

00:59:41   corner of the internet that has any idea [TS]

00:59:43   that this was you can granted this [TS]

00:59:46   yourself at home [TS]

00:59:47   Walter journals contacting me because of [TS]

00:59:50   my fee making associations right it [TS]

00:59:52   don't be main you're being a meanie [TS]

00:59:55   reflecting you back to you in a thousand [TS]

00:59:55   reflecting you back to you in a thousand [TS]

01:00:00   the years like obviously obviously every [TS]

01:00:02   time someone says freebooting they don't [TS]

01:00:04   like think of hello internet but in a [TS]

01:00:06   thousand years someone might say why did [TS]

01:00:08   they start calling it freebooting and [TS]

01:00:10   like some academic might start [TS]

01:00:11   researching and and stumble over and [TS]

01:00:14   like no one will care about like I don't [TS]

01:00:17   think people are ever going to find out [TS]

01:00:18   that like what i did like my job or that [TS]

01:00:21   i made videos or anything like that so [TS]

01:00:23   like this one thing like think now you [TS]

01:00:27   make yeah you're tricking me into making [TS]

01:00:28   it sound more grandiose than I think it [TS]

01:00:30   is no this is what you're looking again [TS]

01:00:32   you're envisioning people aren't [TS]

01:00:33   thousand years from now remembering who [TS]

01:00:35   you are [TS]

01:00:37   no one know what I'm just making the [TS]

01:00:40   point that do you want to be associated [TS]

01:00:42   with coming up with something that is a [TS]

01:00:45   negative thing I feel like you [TS]

01:00:47   understand but you're pretending not to [TS]

01:00:49   another [TS]

01:00:49   this is the only done this is our [TS]

01:00:52   fundamental problem it's like them what [TS]

01:00:54   you talk the less i have any idea what [TS]

01:00:57   you're trapped say you invented [TS]

01:01:01   freebooting man you know be be happy [TS]

01:01:03   about it in in the in the future people [TS]

01:01:05   will look up the the root meaning of the [TS]

01:01:07   word and for a brief second they will [TS]

01:01:10   read your name in a book long after [TS]

01:01:13   you're dead and forgotten and I imagine [TS]

01:01:15   you're the kind of person that would [TS]

01:01:16   bring some sort of some sort of pleasure [TS]

01:01:18   to I don't think that's the case but I [TS]

01:01:23   like I do like I do like to think that [TS]

01:01:25   the things i do it for nothing [TS]

01:01:27   mhm like I don't think my whole purpose [TS]

01:01:30   for existing is so that i can earn [TS]

01:01:32   enough money to buy tomorrow's dinner i [TS]

01:01:35   do like to think there's more to me than [TS]

01:01:36   just sustaining myself until my heart [TS]

01:01:38   stops beating [TS]

01:01:39   mhm but I don't like I don't want people [TS]

01:01:41   to be like reading about me and [TS]

01:01:43   encyclopedias or anything i have no [TS]

01:01:44   visions like that but I'd like to think [TS]

01:01:46   that there is a bit more to me then the [TS]

01:01:50   next meal right then just your negative [TS]

01:01:52   association with rebooting [TS]

01:01:56   I was just thinking about it anyway I [TS]

01:01:59   did I did this I did this show interview [TS]

01:02:01   with this bow wall street journal person [TS]

01:02:04   and and the the position was and this is [TS]

01:02:07   my position at the moment is I'm just [TS]

01:02:09   exhausted by by lying and I I just don't [TS]

01:02:13   care anymore and all these people were [TS]

01:02:14   tweeting me an email and they all these [TS]

01:02:16   you know have you seen now this [TS]

01:02:17   website's taken out or this players [TS]

01:02:19   playing out or it's on it's on all of [TS]

01:02:22   these facebook pages now and this was [TS]

01:02:24   over the weekend actually while I was [TS]

01:02:26   with dirt and I was saying to him [TS]

01:02:28   I wish that I'd they were telling me you [TS]

01:02:32   know i'm like i don't want people to [TS]

01:02:33   stop telling me because I don't you know [TS]

01:02:34   the knowledge is good but I almost wish [TS]

01:02:38   that they didn't because it just became [TS]

01:02:39   like cognitive load and I don't want it [TS]

01:02:42   I didn't want to get all upset and go to [TS]

01:02:43   the mattresses over I just what I just [TS]

01:02:45   was like I just don't want to know I'm [TS]

01:02:47   just this is what happens now [TS]

01:02:49   so this wall street journal guy called [TS]

01:02:51   up and I think he was hoping that ideal [TS]

01:02:53   fired up and go on a rampage and I was [TS]

01:02:56   basically saying to him look man I just [TS]

01:02:59   I'm just exhausted by it's just like new [TS]

01:03:01   job to the correct yeah as a call and [TS]

01:03:04   thatís man in the world and he asked me [TS]

01:03:08   a few questions and got me fired up so I [TS]

01:03:10   made a few wisecracks towards the end [TS]

01:03:12   i'm sure that's the only thing that will [TS]

01:03:13   get used in the article if anything gets [TS]

01:03:15   used in the article and i'll come across [TS]

01:03:17   this like an angry wisecracker yeah [TS]

01:03:18   that's what I never talk to reporters [TS]

01:03:20   like here for you should know their if i [TS]

01:03:23   don't come across this way I think the [TS]

01:03:25   overarching theme of me on the issue of [TS]

01:03:29   freebooting now and copyright is one of [TS]

01:03:31   jaded exhaustion and i'm just being [TS]

01:03:35   beaten down eatin just beaten he said he [TS]

01:03:38   said to me you know it seems like the [TS]

01:03:41   way forward for the youtubers or some [TS]

01:03:42   youtubes think the way forward is just [TS]

01:03:44   to start putting all their videos on [TS]

01:03:45   facebook so that other people don't put [TS]

01:03:48   on facebook first Who and I said I just [TS]

01:03:51   said that would just be what a tragic [TS]

01:03:54   way tip for the water and if they win [TS]

01:03:56   the war that way [TS]

01:03:57   yeah but I mean the thing is it's like a [TS]

01:04:00   it's a serious consideration of course [TS]

01:04:02   and it's a thing that I have totally [TS]

01:04:04   tested out in a couple people who follow [TS]

01:04:06   me on my Facebook page will notice [TS]

01:04:08   that I have occasionally tested putting [TS]

01:04:13   native videos just up on facebook for [TS]

01:04:15   the exact same thing like can I at least [TS]

01:04:17   be the first person to post my own [TS]

01:04:19   goddamn video on facebook and try to try [TS]

01:04:22   to get some some number of views from [TS]

01:04:24   that you know it is it is totally [TS]

01:04:27   depressing to to end up doing that [TS]

01:04:29   anyway that's not that's not the main [TS]

01:04:31   thing that's going on that's not what [TS]

01:04:32   we're here to talk about it that's a [TS]

01:04:34   that the side issue in the neverending [TS]

01:04:38   exciting adventures of copyright which [TS]

01:04:41   is what we're going to talk about now a [TS]

01:04:43   little bit it's become a big thing last [TS]

01:04:45   few weeks and I always think it must be [TS]

01:04:46   quite boring for the podcast listeners [TS]

01:04:48   is it's very inside YouTube but that's [TS]

01:04:50   why we that's why it's at the end here [TS]

01:04:52   Brady right yeah because there's nothing [TS]

01:04:54   else coming people if you don't want to [TS]

01:04:55   hear about copyright turn back right now [TS]

01:04:58   because there's been a bunch of stuff [TS]

01:05:00   about it what you want to bring up of [TS]

01:05:02   these numerous things that have been [TS]

01:05:03   going on there have been four videos in [TS]

01:05:07   relatively rapid succession which are [TS]

01:05:09   all dancing around the same topic there [TS]

01:05:12   have been two videos from grade-a under [TS]

01:05:15   a youtube channel i quite like that have [TS]

01:05:18   been talking about problems broadly in [TS]

01:05:23   the YouTube system channels getting [TS]

01:05:25   taken down copyright infringement and a [TS]

01:05:28   similar thing with I hate everything [TS]

01:05:30   another good youtube channel talking [TS]

01:05:32   about the same kind of problems like [TS]

01:05:33   copyright strikes against his channel [TS]

01:05:35   and then a nostalgia critic also put [TS]

01:05:38   together a video talking about fair use [TS]

01:05:40   on youtube and with all of these videos [TS]

01:05:43   are talking about to some extent is the [TS]

01:05:49   content ID system that exists on youtube [TS]

01:05:53   and that this is the system that is [TS]

01:05:57   supposed to allow content owners to keep [TS]

01:06:02   an eye out for uploads of their content [TS]

01:06:06   on youtubes system now [TS]

01:06:10   I feel a bit like the like the fine [TS]

01:06:12   brothers thing from last time I want to [TS]

01:06:14   mention something like that relates to [TS]

01:06:16   me before we get into this conversation [TS]

01:06:17   that you were talking before about how [TS]

01:06:21   you didn't even want to hear about how [TS]

01:06:23   your video kept getting rebooted just [TS]

01:06:27   everywhere all over facebook is going [TS]

01:06:28   crazy just like it's you just depressed [TS]

01:06:30   after a while and so I in the past few [TS]

01:06:34   months have gone through something [TS]

01:06:35   similar where I had for a very long time [TS]

01:06:39   a bunch of google automated google [TS]

01:06:42   alerts and searches for my own videos [TS]

01:06:45   being uploaded elsewhere i particularly [TS]

01:06:48   on youtube so i would be searching for [TS]

01:06:50   titles or or very similar things with [TS]

01:06:53   the titles of my videos and Google would [TS]

01:06:55   send me emails like anytime something [TS]

01:06:56   similar popped up and then I could do [TS]

01:06:59   the normal thing which is to file a [TS]

01:07:01   takedown up it was like okay someone [TS]

01:07:03   just reuploaded my video on their [TS]

01:07:05   channel let me fill out this long form [TS]

01:07:07   and get it taken down but at a certain [TS]

01:07:11   point it became just so many [TS]

01:07:14   notifications just all the time that it [TS]

01:07:17   became just like depressingly [TS]

01:07:19   overwhelming like what i want to do do I [TS]

01:07:22   just want to constantly spend afternoons [TS]

01:07:24   of my time filling out the same dmca [TS]

01:07:27   form over and over and over again to [TS]

01:07:30   take down videos on youtube of of my [TS]

01:07:32   stuff to people every uploaded and so I [TS]

01:07:35   basically like turned off a bunch of the [TS]

01:07:36   alerts because my feeling was like I let [TS]

01:07:38   you win like you win freebooters like [TS]

01:07:40   I'm just giving up i just don't care [TS]

01:07:42   right and I don't even want to know [TS]

01:07:44   anymore that like oh this has been [TS]

01:07:45   uploaded here that's been uploaded there [TS]

01:07:47   yeah but then I realized like oh wait a [TS]

01:07:50   minute isn't this the whole point of the [TS]

01:07:52   content ID system that YouTube [TS]

01:07:54   supposedly has is that people who are [TS]

01:07:56   rights holders can do this in an [TS]

01:07:58   automated fashion like isn't this the [TS]

01:08:00   idea of this thing and so I tried to [TS]

01:08:03   reach out through a couple of the [TS]

01:08:04   contact that I have at you to be like [TS]

01:08:06   hey I know that I'm not one of these big [TS]

01:08:09   multi-channel networks that you guys [TS]

01:08:11   love to work with but like I am a [TS]

01:08:13   Content owner like can I please also use [TS]

01:08:16   the content ID system to try to do [TS]

01:08:18   automated recognition of when people [TS]

01:08:21   upload my stuff and long story short [TS]

01:08:23   I i have a meeting with YouTube in a [TS]

01:08:25   couple weeks that they're going to see [TS]

01:08:27   if they can set this up for me right [TS]

01:08:29   already in that gray i know this is this [TS]

01:08:33   is one of this is one of the many many [TS]

01:08:34   frustrating things with you too bright [TS]

01:08:36   is like their seeming capriciousness and [TS]

01:08:39   so some people are in some people are in [TS]

01:08:41   I seem to be in some bizarro in between [TS]

01:08:45   land where I need to convince them that [TS]

01:08:47   i should be able to use this system like [TS]

01:08:49   I can't let you were talking in the last [TS]

01:08:51   episode about people who can just like [TS]

01:08:52   press a button and have other people's [TS]

01:08:54   videos take it down [TS]

01:08:55   I haven't got that right but if someone [TS]

01:08:58   reupload my videos it will be identified [TS]

01:09:01   like automatically and that person I [TS]

01:09:03   don't know what happens that person gets [TS]

01:09:05   a some kind of notification i actually [TS]

01:09:07   don't really look at i'm a bit it's a [TS]

01:09:08   very automated and I never really see it [TS]

01:09:10   much and sometimes ok i'll log into [TS]

01:09:12   something and it will say so and so you [TS]

01:09:15   know pinched your video but I mean [TS]

01:09:17   that's only for youtube and i don't [TS]

01:09:18   think i don't think that the problem is [TS]

01:09:20   big on YouTube anymore i think i think [TS]

01:09:23   the problem is much bigger outside of [TS]

01:09:26   YouTube and that's like a web that's [TS]

01:09:27   just a free-for-all we have no control [TS]

01:09:29   over that is partly why like when [TS]

01:09:31   YouTube creators are talking about the [TS]

01:09:34   the problem of facebook freebooting kind [TS]

01:09:37   of implicitly what creators one is [TS]

01:09:39   something similar to content ID on [TS]

01:09:41   facebook and so I bring all of this up [TS]

01:09:45   because i want to have this is as the [TS]

01:09:47   starting point for this conversation [TS]

01:09:49   because it's very easy when people are [TS]

01:09:52   complaining about the system to complain [TS]

01:09:56   about big companies giving copyright [TS]

01:09:59   strikes right this is almost like [TS]

01:10:01   whenever I talk about politics or if i [TS]

01:10:03   do a video on politics i never want to [TS]

01:10:05   talk about the specifics because as soon [TS]

01:10:08   as you talk about the specifics the [TS]

01:10:09   conversation is like it's over before [TS]

01:10:11   it's begun [TS]

01:10:13   right because then people are thinking [TS]

01:10:14   about their team and what the how they [TS]

01:10:16   want their team to win so what we have [TS]

01:10:19   on YouTube is is like in without [TS]

01:10:21   thinking specific teams you have these [TS]

01:10:24   two broad groups that you have people [TS]

01:10:28   who are making videos and people who [TS]

01:10:31   want to use fair use content in their [TS]

01:10:34   videos so people who do like movie [TS]

01:10:36   review [TS]

01:10:37   use or there's a whole genre of people [TS]

01:10:39   that fall into the sort of extremely [TS]

01:10:41   broad category of reply videos which may [TS]

01:10:44   or may not be fair use but let's say [TS]

01:10:46   like a certain number of them definitely [TS]

01:10:47   are there people who want to make videos [TS]

01:10:50   and who should legally be allowed to use [TS]

01:10:53   clips from other people's videos to do [TS]

01:10:54   so and then on the other side you have [TS]

01:10:57   content owners who want to be able to [TS]

01:11:01   protect themselves from people just [TS]

01:11:03   endlessly reuploading their material [TS]

01:11:06   these are the two sides and YouTube [TS]

01:11:12   wants to make these sides happy right [TS]

01:11:15   like in in many cases like they're the [TS]

01:11:17   same side rights people like upload [TS]

01:11:20   videos and they also want to protect [TS]

01:11:22   their own videos like it's it's a very [TS]

01:11:23   very complicated case but the thing that [TS]

01:11:27   I didn't quite realize before this [TS]

01:11:30   latest kerfuffle is just how far the [TS]

01:11:36   content ID system is really bent in [TS]

01:11:40   favor of content owners like the [TS]

01:11:44   structure of the way Content ID works [TS]

01:11:47   vastly vastly favors the owners of the [TS]

01:11:52   content and disfavors creators but [TS]

01:11:56   creators are owners of content i know i [TS]

01:11:58   know right like it's so like I don't [TS]

01:12:00   quite understand i have a power M when i [TS]

01:12:05   create content that if someone steals a [TS]

01:12:07   I could I can try and take action and [TS]

01:12:09   and the person at the other end fears me [TS]

01:12:12   like I'm a hawk that's going to sweep on [TS]

01:12:14   them and protect protect what I made but [TS]

01:12:17   i but i am also a mouse every time I [TS]

01:12:19   upload a video i live in fear that [TS]

01:12:21   someone is going to wrongly I hope [TS]

01:12:24   accuse me of stealing content so I don't [TS]

01:12:27   like I am both people every day of my [TS]

01:12:30   life [TS]

01:12:30   it's like how do you how do you balance [TS]

01:12:31   this thing but here's here's here's my [TS]

01:12:33   view unlike the system-level problem of [TS]

01:12:36   what's going on [TS]

01:12:37   let's say right now like UD list like [TS]

01:12:39   you are creating a YouTube channel and [TS]

01:12:42   let's say you upload a video in which [TS]

01:12:44   you have some unarguably like fair use [TS]

01:12:47   material in it writes the upload some [TS]

01:12:49   some video you [TS]

01:12:50   little clip from a TV show that is [TS]

01:12:52   reviewing or whatever right [TS]

01:12:53   the way the current system works is that [TS]

01:12:56   the owner of the material that you have [TS]

01:13:00   used can automatically lay a claim on [TS]

01:13:04   your video which to keep things very [TS]

01:13:07   simple will basically means they're [TS]

01:13:09   going to get any money that you would [TS]

01:13:12   have earned from advertisements on that [TS]

01:13:15   video yet so they can claim the video [TS]

01:13:18   now the reason that this is an [TS]

01:13:21   unbalanced system is because you is the [TS]

01:13:24   video creator can then start a process [TS]

01:13:26   which says oh but this is fair use like [TS]

01:13:29   I want to appeal this I want to work [TS]

01:13:32   through this whole process and say like [TS]

01:13:33   oh no this is totally fair use that [TS]

01:13:35   process can take quite a while to happen [TS]

01:13:37   it can it can take up to three months [TS]

01:13:40   like depending on how super long [TS]

01:13:42   companies want to wait like if they want [TS]

01:13:44   to wait until the absolute last moment [TS]

01:13:47   because like a 30-day window and there's [TS]

01:13:48   like that can be 3 replies back and [TS]

01:13:50   forth he can take forever but the point [TS]

01:13:52   is that all all how while while the [TS]

01:13:56   video has a claim on it [TS]

01:13:58   the person who made the claim is earning [TS]

01:14:00   money off of the video that you have put [TS]

01:14:02   up [TS]

01:14:03   yeah and if you win your claim you don't [TS]

01:14:06   get any money back that is nuts that the [TS]

01:14:09   person who laid the claim keeps the [TS]

01:14:11   money throughout that and then even if [TS]

01:14:13   they and even if the original little [TS]

01:14:15   battler wins and it was fair use they [TS]

01:14:17   don't get the money for that those that [TS]

01:14:19   month or three months that is totally [TS]

01:14:21   crazy but the thing that compounds it is [TS]

01:14:24   that you as as the person making videos [TS]

01:14:28   you can only challenge three of these [TS]

01:14:32   claims at a time [TS]

01:14:34   let's say you have a back catalogue of [TS]

01:14:36   like a hundred videos and one day you [TS]

01:14:38   wake up and discover that all hundred [TS]

01:14:40   videos have been claimed by some media [TS]

01:14:42   company saying like you know whatever [TS]

01:14:43   you have our material in here right yep [TS]

01:14:46   you have a hundred videos that are now [TS]

01:14:49   earning money for the the person who's [TS]

01:14:51   made the claim or the company that has [TS]

01:14:53   made the claim you are earning no money [TS]

01:14:55   on any of those videos you're only [TS]

01:14:57   allowed to challenge three at a time and [TS]

01:15:00   this means like okay you can be looking [TS]

01:15:02   at [TS]

01:15:03   like years before you could clear all of [TS]

01:15:06   those claims if they all take the [TS]

01:15:08   absolute maximum of time and so this is [TS]

01:15:10   where the system is horrific Leon [TS]

01:15:12   balance because like okay content owners [TS]

01:15:14   can lay an infinite number of claims but [TS]

01:15:18   for some reason youtube has decided to [TS]

01:15:20   put this arbitrary limit on how many [TS]

01:15:22   claims a channel can fight at once like [TS]

01:15:25   okay we have this ridiculously [TS]

01:15:27   unbalanced situation where if you are a [TS]

01:15:32   company that has access to this whole [TS]

01:15:33   content ID system like you might as well [TS]

01:15:36   just lay claim to everything like that [TS]

01:15:40   you can set up the system to have rules [TS]

01:15:42   about what do you want to do [TS]

01:15:43   how many seconds do you want to allow of [TS]

01:15:46   of content before the system [TS]

01:15:47   automatically flags it you might as well [TS]

01:15:49   just say like Oh allow no seconds worth [TS]

01:15:52   of time like any use is not fair use [TS]

01:15:54   claim everything and just have the bot [TS]

01:15:56   go automatically laying claims across [TS]

01:15:59   the whole of the YouTube landscape [TS]

01:16:01   yeah and and then you just start [TS]

01:16:03   collecting the money from that like [TS]

01:16:05   there's no incentive for the the [TS]

01:16:08   claimant to have any kind of respect for [TS]

01:16:11   fair use if even if you are as a Content [TS]

01:16:15   owner like you are every single one of [TS]

01:16:18   your claims comes back as invalid right [TS]

01:16:20   youtube can see in the system like oh [TS]

01:16:21   this company in the past year it's made [TS]

01:16:24   10,000 copyright claims against other [TS]

01:16:27   people's youtube channel and every [TS]

01:16:29   single one of them has come back as [TS]

01:16:30   invalid [TS]

01:16:31   youtube is like a thumbs-up that's fine [TS]

01:16:34   right like that's legitimate business [TS]

01:16:35   practice and in the meantime they aren't [TS]

01:16:37   all the money while those claims were [TS]

01:16:39   active like that's crazy like it's a [TS]

01:16:42   crazy amount of power to give to the [TS]

01:16:44   content owners when on the flipside like [TS]

01:16:47   you know you either the the people [TS]

01:16:50   uploading to their channels like you can [TS]

01:16:51   only dispute three and if they do you [TS]

01:16:53   have three go the wrong way like your [TS]

01:16:55   channel get deleted it's just such an [TS]

01:16:57   unfair system or it'sit's so lopsided is [TS]

01:17:01   really what it is [TS]

01:17:02   the other thing i didn't realize what's [TS]

01:17:06   happening and i know you put this is in [TS]

01:17:08   the notes it but it seems like now's the [TS]

01:17:09   time to bring up the thing i didn't [TS]

01:17:12   realize what's happening somewhat [TS]

01:17:13   naively is this isn't just a case of [TS]

01:17:16   they're being a gray area about was that [TS]

01:17:19   fair use or wasn't phase there seemed to [TS]

01:17:22   be companies whose modus operandi is to [TS]

01:17:26   make claims against other videos that [TS]

01:17:29   aren't in this gray area of fair use but [TS]

01:17:32   just to make completely fake claims that [TS]

01:17:34   where they clearly have no nothing in [TS]

01:17:36   the video it would be like if I went [TS]

01:17:38   claimed your last cgpgrey video even [TS]

01:17:41   though I don't make the videos I don't [TS]

01:17:44   make the music and the animation i'll [TS]

01:17:45   just sum up I'm just some guy who makes [TS]

01:17:47   up who exists and I'm just saying I made [TS]

01:17:51   that i'm not saying i made that still [TS]

01:17:53   that he took oh I made that music I'm [TS]

01:17:55   just like I'm i made that i'm claiming [TS]

01:17:57   it completely not debatably just [TS]

01:18:00   completely fake it's like it's almost [TS]

01:18:03   become like a like an Nigerian email [TS]

01:18:06   scam thing where companies can just [TS]

01:18:08   create this like shell company claim [TS]

01:18:11   every single video on youtube as [TS]

01:18:13   something they made even I've never made [TS]

01:18:14   they could never made a piece of content [TS]

01:18:16   in their life and that's just becomes [TS]

01:18:20   this little revenue makers presumably [TS]

01:18:21   some people weren't fired at some people [TS]

01:18:23   might not know they've been claimed [TS]

01:18:24   against in that and you just just just [TS]

01:18:28   become this let's look power [TS]

01:18:29   I can't believe it won't be closed [TS]

01:18:31   within days now because after seeing the [TS]

01:18:34   I hate everything video about her it's [TS]

01:18:36   like i watch that and thought that I [TS]

01:18:39   can't be real [TS]

01:18:40   yeah yeah I hate everything video is [TS]

01:18:42   just the is is the absolute pinnacle of [TS]

01:18:45   this could be understanding its its its [TS]

01:18:49   out its it's amazing but it is also just [TS]

01:18:52   the natural consequence of this system [TS]

01:18:54   where community comes in and says okay [TS]

01:18:57   we can make claims there's no penalty [TS]

01:19:00   for making false claims what we're going [TS]

01:19:03   to do is just manually identify videos [TS]

01:19:07   that are getting popular and manually [TS]

01:19:09   put on a claim on them just edit and so [TS]

01:19:12   I hate everything as this example where [TS]

01:19:14   it's like oh this company called Merlin [TS]

01:19:16   icc or something but that they claim [TS]

01:19:20   that a section of his video is playing a [TS]

01:19:22   song by someone they represent but they [TS]

01:19:26   don't represent that person and the song [TS]

01:19:28   isn't in the video right like this [TS]

01:19:30   yeah isn't no debate about this but [TS]

01:19:33   nonetheless the way the YouTube system [TS]

01:19:34   works is like okay but that was I hate [TS]

01:19:37   everything is most recent video it was [TS]

01:19:38   it was rapidly running toward a million [TS]

01:19:41   views but this company Merlin icc [TS]

01:19:43   something like because of this dumb [TS]

01:19:45   system like they get to make all of the [TS]

01:19:47   money i hate everything won't get any of [TS]

01:19:49   that money back when the claim is proven [TS]

01:19:51   to be false and YouTube just that has no [TS]

01:19:55   consequences to making false claims like [TS]

01:19:57   that to me is the real core of this like [TS]

01:19:59   you can't have a Content ID should be [TS]

01:20:04   this system that is trying to balance [TS]

01:20:06   these two parties right and to keep [TS]

01:20:08   everybody happy but if if one side can [TS]

01:20:14   act in a way that has no repercussions [TS]

01:20:16   like well of course they're going to end [TS]

01:20:18   up totally exploiting it and and this [TS]

01:20:20   the I hate everything situation is just [TS]

01:20:22   the pinnacle of it's like well might as [TS]

01:20:24   well just start laying claims on all [TS]

01:20:27   kinds of videos and just collecting the [TS]

01:20:28   ad revenue it's crazy it's really crazy [TS]

01:20:32   can I ask a naive question if I make a [TS]

01:20:35   claim against you like I think you've [TS]

01:20:37   used a bit of numberphile than your [TS]

01:20:38   grave video that you shouldn't have you [TS]

01:20:39   soon and you and you say it's Vegas and [TS]

01:20:43   we go through this month few months [TS]

01:20:45   processes of me saying you stole it you [TS]

01:20:47   saying now I didn't me saying yes you [TS]

01:20:49   did and neither of us give any ground [TS]

01:20:53   how does it end who's the final Empire [TS]

01:20:56   on whether or not something was used [TS]

01:20:58   fairly light by default so my [TS]

01:21:00   understanding is that it [TS]

01:21:02   it's the person who is claiming it as [TS]

01:21:06   fair use is the default winner so that [TS]

01:21:09   so i would have to take you to court in [TS]

01:21:12   the end that's right then after after [TS]

01:21:13   three months it will if knowing if no [TS]

01:21:15   one gives after three months the fair [TS]

01:21:19   use claimer wins and or ghost court part [TS]

01:21:23   of what is being decided in these [TS]

01:21:24   documents that are going back and forth [TS]

01:21:26   is that the person who is made the video [TS]

01:21:28   is basically setting themselves up to be [TS]

01:21:33   sued [TS]

01:21:35   difficult like and toulouse really big [TS]

01:21:38   if the Court finds that it's not fair [TS]

01:21:40   use rights like that like that's what [TS]

01:21:43   happens is like you are taking a bunch [TS]

01:21:45   of boxes as the video creator that will [TS]

01:21:48   totally screw you over if you're lying [TS]

01:21:52   so that's why I think it defaults [TS]

01:21:55   towards the the Creator being the [TS]

01:21:57   default Victor because it's like okay [TS]

01:21:58   well they've just they've put themselves [TS]

01:22:00   in a situation where they're screwed [TS]

01:22:02   you can take them to court if this [TS]

01:22:03   really is a big problem and they're just [TS]

01:22:05   it's over for them right they're not [TS]

01:22:07   going to win for the first time that [TS]

01:22:09   gives me some small insight into why [TS]

01:22:11   this crappy system maybe was set up that [TS]

01:22:13   way though because that means if if the [TS]

01:22:16   if the if the big bad wolf keeps the [TS]

01:22:20   money until until the noble fair use [TS]

01:22:24   person wins the day you can almost see [TS]

01:22:27   why you would skew it you would skew it [TS]

01:22:29   that way because if the big bad wolf it [TS]

01:22:31   turns out isn't the big bad wolf [TS]

01:22:33   you're pretty unlikely to take someone [TS]

01:22:35   to court it's like it's like you've sort [TS]

01:22:38   of tip the scale it so well you're and [TS]

01:22:40   if someone is if someone is taking [TS]

01:22:42   advantage of you in the end that person [TS]

01:22:45   is going to win because you're not gonna [TS]

01:22:46   take them to court because that's just [TS]

01:22:47   going to be a bowl-like for everyone [TS]

01:22:49   you're not going to take them to court [TS]

01:22:50   so the little bit of compensation you do [TS]

01:22:53   get for being exploited as you keep the [TS]

01:22:55   money for that first month photo and [TS]

01:22:57   then they'll have and then that will [TS]

01:22:59   then I get to explore you for the next [TS]

01:23:00   hundred years because they won the day [TS]

01:23:03   yeah it's black and and most of the time [TS]

01:23:05   that's not the case but it's all you can [TS]

01:23:07   almost see why you would set it up that [TS]

01:23:09   way now I don't think they should i can [TS]

01:23:11   almost see why they would [TS]

01:23:12   yeah and this is one of these cases [TS]

01:23:13   where I have never had to follow this [TS]

01:23:16   through all the way to the end I've had [TS]

01:23:17   to do a little bit of this but not very [TS]

01:23:18   much because I've always had claims [TS]

01:23:21   released after just the first challenge [TS]

01:23:23   like it has really gone super far so I [TS]

01:23:26   this is a case where I may be wrong [TS]

01:23:28   about these details but let's but let's [TS]

01:23:30   just let's just assume for the moment [TS]

01:23:31   that this that this is the case i can [TS]

01:23:34   see the argument yes like okay we will [TS]

01:23:36   give you some compensation in the [TS]

01:23:38   meantime to make up for the fact that [TS]

01:23:40   you won't go to court but that the [TS]

01:23:44   problem is any time you drop the price [TS]

01:23:47   20 feet [TS]

01:23:49   we're going to use an infinite amount of [TS]

01:23:51   it but if it has any utility at all and [TS]

01:23:54   so what YouTube has done with his system [TS]

01:23:56   is it has dropped the cost of making [TS]

01:23:59   claims 20 which then incentivizes [TS]

01:24:03   companies to just lay out an infinite [TS]

01:24:06   number of claims that's where the core [TS]

01:24:09   of the problem exists and if there was [TS]

01:24:12   some kind of penalty to just constantly [TS]

01:24:17   making false claims then this wouldn't [TS]

01:24:22   be the case but since there's no penalty [TS]

01:24:23   you just might as well make all the [TS]

01:24:25   claims in the world it's almost amazing [TS]

01:24:27   that content ID has existed this long [TS]

01:24:29   before some genius at merlin III ccc co [TS]

01:24:33   or whatever felt like I know how to make [TS]

01:24:35   a whole bunch of money while doing [TS]

01:24:36   nothing right [TS]

01:24:38   it's it's it's astounding it's [TS]

01:24:40   absolutely astounding so this is one of [TS]

01:24:42   the rare cases where I feel like there's [TS]

01:24:43   a there's a relatively straightforward [TS]

01:24:46   answer to this which is YouTube imposing [TS]

01:24:49   a cost on making claims so that you just [TS]

01:24:52   don't make an infinite number of claims [TS]

01:24:53   do you mean like like ten cents or [TS]

01:24:55   something like you're you know you gotta [TS]

01:24:56   pay a dollar or you gotta pay ten [TS]

01:24:58   dollars and I don't even I don't even [TS]

01:25:00   mean this is where I mean a cost just in [TS]

01:25:02   in the sense of any kind of cost some [TS]

01:25:05   small amount of money or some like [TS]

01:25:09   strikes or getting your multi channel [TS]

01:25:11   network removed if you have too many [TS]

01:25:13   false claims i don't think that will [TS]

01:25:16   work [TS]

01:25:16   I don't think that's good enough father [TS]

01:25:17   though because people just create these [TS]

01:25:19   sort of shell these shells when I and [TS]

01:25:21   then get and then and then have like a [TS]

01:25:23   week or two of fleecing everyone and [TS]

01:25:25   then they get thrown off the network but [TS]

01:25:27   oh yeah so I it to be to be clear i also [TS]

01:25:31   agree with you with this idea of the [TS]

01:25:33   escrow that the the other very simple [TS]

01:25:35   change is if if a video has a claim on [TS]

01:25:38   it all of the money is held in a [TS]

01:25:41   separate account that goes to the winner [TS]

01:25:43   in the end right that's yeah like that [TS]

01:25:46   plus a small amount of cost for making [TS]

01:25:48   claims is the way to fix this and it's [TS]

01:25:50   it is it's unlike our conversation last [TS]

01:25:53   time we were talking about how to fix [TS]

01:25:55   angry internet mobs right where I think [TS]

01:25:57   they're there isn't anything that you [TS]

01:25:59   can do that isn't worse than the problem [TS]

01:26:01   that you're trying to [TS]

01:26:01   fix this to me seems like there's a [TS]

01:26:03   relatively straightforward solution to [TS]

01:26:05   this that I hope youtube implements [TS]

01:26:08   because it's just like man makes [TS]

01:26:10   everybody angry this content ID system [TS]

01:26:13   I tell you what that if you have a viral [TS]

01:26:15   video and like you know so this like [TS]

01:26:18   potentially thousands and thousands of [TS]

01:26:20   dollars sitting in this escrow pot and [TS]

01:26:22   suddenly that fight over fair use is [TS]

01:26:24   going to start getting nasty like it's [TS]

01:26:26   like suddenly the trophy is more like it [TS]

01:26:29   could become a real mess [TS]

01:26:31   the amount of money isn't any different [TS]

01:26:32   than the amount of mine that we're [TS]

01:26:33   talking about now it feels differently [TS]

01:26:36   it feels different if you want to get [TS]

01:26:39   really cynical about it then you can [TS]

01:26:40   just say our YouTube has an incentive to [TS]

01:26:42   prolong the process to make it a [TS]

01:26:44   year-long to they can earn interest of [TS]

01:26:45   all of the money that sent an escrow [TS]

01:26:47   there's that too right that didn't go to [TS]

01:26:49   going to double the number of forms that [TS]

01:26:51   you sent back and forth [TS]

01:26:53   yeah it's just turns into a body pain in [TS]

01:26:58   the ass [TS]

01:26:59   yeah that's a as with as with many of [TS]

01:27:01   the things we have discussed about on [TS]

01:27:02   the podcast before I can i just i find [TS]

01:27:06   so much of this YouTube's business stuff [TS]

01:27:09   just exhausting like exhausting and this [TS]

01:27:12   really boring way that it just fine like [TS]

01:27:14   man it is i'm not trying to be like oh [TS]

01:27:19   we know back when it was small it was [TS]

01:27:21   amazing it was a little community people [TS]

01:27:23   making videos together like that that's [TS]

01:27:25   not my feeling of it but I don't know [TS]

01:27:29   there's just there's just something [TS]

01:27:30   about like all of the layers now that [TS]

01:27:32   are involved in like I just want to [TS]

01:27:34   upload a video on youtube but it's like [TS]

01:27:36   oh but there's multi-channel networks i [TS]

01:27:38   can and if you want to be a creator you [TS]

01:27:40   need to sign up for one of these [TS]

01:27:40   mafiosos style multi-channel networks [TS]

01:27:42   and if you don't sign up for one of [TS]

01:27:44   these multi-channel networks and you [TS]

01:27:46   have like this whole other big set of [TS]

01:27:47   problems to work with and then there's [TS]

01:27:49   the YouTube on top of it and this [TS]

01:27:50   content ID system and gigantic media [TS]

01:27:53   companies moving in just know it's all [TS]

01:27:55   very busy like there's so much stuff to [TS]

01:27:57   keep track of and there's so much stuff [TS]

01:28:01   to worry about it just it and you're [TS]

01:28:03   better at the may at least you can kind [TS]

01:28:04   of do that i can't i'm just rubbish [TS]

01:28:06   yeah yeah it's it's it's absolutely it's [TS]

01:28:09   just absolutely exhausted like it's just [TS]

01:28:11   so much to think about and coming back [TS]

01:28:13   to fair use just to be [TS]

01:28:15   no introduction to get people upset for [TS]

01:28:16   a second oh yeah i think i think most [TS]

01:28:18   people misunderstand phase [TS]

01:28:20   oh and yeah i mean obviously had the end [TS]

01:28:21   and we've talked before about how the [TS]

01:28:23   saying fair use doesn't automatically [TS]

01:28:24   mean his face but but this would be much [TS]

01:28:27   less of an issue if there wasn't [TS]

01:28:29   maybe I'll just become more aware of it [TS]

01:28:31   but it feels like it's becoming a bigger [TS]

01:28:33   and bigger thing of people just being [TS]

01:28:36   like derivative and unoriginal and i [TS]

01:28:38   know and i know people going to say hey [TS]

01:28:40   man everything is a remix and that's [TS]

01:28:42   like trendy thing to say but like if [TS]

01:28:45   everyone just makes their own stuff if [TS]

01:28:48   people just create instead of doing what [TS]

01:28:51   they call create which is reacting or [TS]

01:28:53   reviewing or twisting or changing what [TS]

01:28:55   other people have made this would not be [TS]

01:28:57   such a big issue but I think I think I [TS]

01:29:00   think it's lazy and I know that's the [TS]

01:29:01   controversial thing to say because it's [TS]

01:29:03   it's an act of creation to transform [TS]

01:29:05   someone else's creation but i think it's [TS]

01:29:08   lazy and I think because it's easy more [TS]

01:29:11   and more and more and more people are [TS]

01:29:12   doing it and that's what's creating this [TS]

01:29:14   storm around what's fair use and what's [TS]

01:29:16   not fair use and what's copyright and [TS]

01:29:18   that it's because everyone's just being [TS]

01:29:19   a lazy bones taking taking the work of [TS]

01:29:23   what I was probably becoming it if [TS]

01:29:26   proportionally a smaller number of [TS]

01:29:28   people who actually make new stuff who [TS]

01:29:30   actually go out with a camera and film [TS]

01:29:32   things or who sit down and write like a [TS]

01:29:35   script or sit down and animate something [TS]

01:29:37   those people seem to be coming us know [TS]

01:29:40   that they probably growing but they're [TS]

01:29:41   becoming a smaller proportion and [TS]

01:29:43   there's this growing growing growing [TS]

01:29:45   group of people who then just wait too [TS]

01:29:47   greedily devoured all these creations [TS]

01:29:49   and just watch them or comment on them [TS]

01:29:52   and and that and that's what they do to [TS]

01:29:55   make their money as someone who's in [TS]

01:29:57   that smaller group it feels a bit [TS]

01:30:00   frustrating [TS]

01:30:01   yeah it always is frustrating and the [TS]

01:30:04   facebook thing is now a total and utter [TS]

01:30:06   industry and there are people who are [TS]

01:30:08   doing it legitimately who I have a bit [TS]

01:30:11   more respectful and people who have [TS]

01:30:12   every time you make a video that's any [TS]

01:30:14   good [TS]

01:30:14   there was a whole bunch of people who [TS]

01:30:16   just immediately gobbled it up and put [TS]

01:30:18   it onto facebook [TS]

01:30:19   yeah and there was another group of [TS]

01:30:21   people who emailed me I've got a whole [TS]

01:30:22   bunch of emails in my inbox from [TS]

01:30:24   facebook people and companies saying we [TS]

01:30:26   saw this video can we [TS]

01:30:28   can we please put onto our player so [TS]

01:30:30   there are people who are doing the same [TS]

01:30:31   lazy thing but at least they're asking [TS]

01:30:33   permission which I give them credit for [TS]

01:30:35   but it's just it's just this growing [TS]

01:30:37   industry now just sitting there waiting [TS]

01:30:39   with a with their mouths open to be [TS]

01:30:41   spoon-fed other people's creations [TS]

01:30:44   yeah it can be it can definitely be a [TS]

01:30:47   bit dispiriting when you are one of the [TS]

01:30:50   people who puts a lot of work into [TS]

01:30:52   making a new thing and then just seeing [TS]

01:30:56   a bunch of people make money off of your [TS]

01:31:01   work and there's a piston amazing clip [TS]

01:31:03   it's in I think it's in the first grade [TS]

01:31:08   A under a video where he talks about the [TS]

01:31:11   problems with YouTube but this is an [TS]

01:31:12   amazing clip where that he gets up of [TS]

01:31:14   one of these guys who does these react [TS]

01:31:16   channels we had a guy literally says the [TS]

01:31:19   start of the video is like it's time to [TS]

01:31:21   make money off of your hard work paid [TS]

01:31:24   for before he goes to just film his dumb [TS]

01:31:27   face watching other people's videos and [TS]

01:31:30   I that's so fragrant segment I tell you [TS]

01:31:33   what just to reactivate my ranch for a [TS]

01:31:35   second [TS]

01:31:36   this is what it reminds me of because i [TS]

01:31:38   was filming yesterday with a guy who [TS]

01:31:39   designs clever things like mathematical [TS]

01:31:42   models and dice and things like that and [TS]

01:31:44   then he mass-produces them and he can [TS]

01:31:46   sell them is a really clever guy coming [TS]

01:31:48   up with these ideas and I said to him [TS]

01:31:50   you know how are you getting these may [TS]

01:31:51   presumably you know you send the desire [TS]

01:31:53   to China and they make it he says that's [TS]

01:31:54   normally what I do but that's always a [TS]

01:31:56   big step when i do that because the [TS]

01:31:58   minute i send it to China to be [TS]

01:32:00   mass-produced they will still the design [TS]

01:32:03   and a thousand other people will make [TS]

01:32:04   knockoffs of em and it will be produced [TS]

01:32:06   by other companies and the person who's [TS]

01:32:08   doing of me will you sell it to other [TS]

01:32:09   companies and the minute i do that it's [TS]

01:32:11   going to appear everywhere so people who [TS]

01:32:14   mass-produce things feel that now they [TS]

01:32:16   feel this dread that the minute goes [TS]

01:32:17   into the wild west of China the wild [TS]

01:32:20   beast i guess i should say of China it's [TS]

01:32:22   going to get stolen because there's less [TS]

01:32:25   protection for them and they no longer [TS]

01:32:27   control their intellectual property [TS]

01:32:28   that's what it feels like for me now [TS]

01:32:30   whenever I make something that I think [TS]

01:32:32   is a little bit special and will [TS]

01:32:33   interest people I feel like what the [TS]

01:32:36   minute I the minute i press upload on [TS]

01:32:38   youtube [TS]

01:32:39   part of me feels excited that I'm [TS]

01:32:41   finally going to be sharing this with [TS]

01:32:42   the world and another part of me thinks [TS]

01:32:44   this is the moment i'm also giving it to [TS]

01:32:46   all those people all those free pages [TS]

01:32:48   were just waiting with their mouths open [TS]

01:32:50   to gobble up what I've created it puts a [TS]

01:32:53   different feeling on it when you know [TS]

01:32:57   with almost one hundred percent [TS]

01:32:59   certainty that like more people will see [TS]

01:33:02   the thing where someone else has just [TS]

01:33:05   taken your thing that on your own [TS]

01:33:06   channel like if you distribute all of [TS]

01:33:09   the free butte booted views that happen [TS]

01:33:11   elsewhere like it it's very often like a [TS]

01:33:14   larger number than the people who see it [TS]

01:33:15   on your original thing and it's like my [TS]

01:33:17   hawaii even the sucker who's doing this [TS]

01:33:20   anymore crying like why am i yeah why am [TS]

01:33:23   I just feeding this whole economy of [TS]

01:33:27   parasites on my back and yeah it's just [TS]

01:33:31   is dispiriting and like you say it's me [TS]

01:33:34   really I even feel like in the past few [TS]

01:33:35   months has turned into just this [TS]

01:33:36   remarkable industry of looking for [TS]

01:33:41   things that are popular and then just [TS]

01:33:44   leeching off of them and make right now [TS]

01:33:47   the curators and if someone says all you [TS]

01:33:50   should just be happy that it's being [TS]

01:33:51   seen by so many people tell me that what [TS]

01:33:53   happens ta yeah that's exactly right [TS]

01:33:55   that no one ever feels that way when [TS]

01:33:57   it's it's their own it's their own thing [TS]

01:33:59   but so yeah I know it's it's like like I [TS]

01:34:01   was saying before I I feel a bit weirdly [TS]

01:34:05   defeated in this whole process of having [TS]

01:34:09   deleted all of the alerts that I used to [TS]

01:34:12   keep on top of other people uploading my [TS]

01:34:13   stuff was just like managed just too [TS]

01:34:15   much [TS]

01:34:16   I just can't deal with this and then [TS]

01:34:18   also just finding myself in the [TS]

01:34:19   situation like man I don't want it set [TS]

01:34:21   up the YouTube content ID system like [TS]

01:34:24   this is not another thing that I want to [TS]

01:34:25   deal with but it's like okay i guess i'm [TS]

01:34:28   going to go into a meeting with YouTube [TS]

01:34:30   and and have this done and figure out [TS]

01:34:32   how to make this work and like plead my [TS]

01:34:33   case for please allow me to try to make [TS]

01:34:36   claims of my own videos that are [TS]

01:34:38   uploaded elsewhere [TS]

01:34:39   it's like I just like i don't i don't [TS]

01:34:41   want to do this but I've been forced [TS]

01:34:42   into a situation where i just have to [TS]

01:34:45   because it happened just way too much [TS]

01:34:46   you know [TS]

01:34:47   nice IM in [TS]

01:34:49   you have to get your channels easily [TS]

01:34:51   massive enough for that but I tell you [TS]

01:34:53   how I tell you how ingrained has become [TS]

01:34:55   when I'm filming I'm already thinking [TS]

01:34:57   ahead to how i'm going to edit the video [TS]

01:34:59   sometimes I'm already thinking with the [TS]

01:35:01   title of the video will be sometimes [TS]

01:35:03   they've been thinking what the thumbnail [TS]

01:35:04   could look like it's just like the way [TS]

01:35:05   my brain works like and now if I'm [TS]

01:35:08   filming something about you know in a [TS]

01:35:10   lab or in an office with someone and I [TS]

01:35:12   can tell this video is going to be [TS]

01:35:14   really good and I'm already thinking I [TS]

01:35:16   could call that this and this is how i'm [TS]

01:35:17   going to edit and it's going to be [TS]

01:35:18   really popular it is real reached the [TS]

01:35:20   point where while I'm still recording [TS]

01:35:23   while the red dot is still on the screen [TS]

01:35:26   i am already thinking about the fact [TS]

01:35:28   that this video is going to be free [TS]

01:35:30   booted like the days are over i'm [TS]

01:35:32   thinking this is going to be a great [TS]

01:35:34   video loads of people going to watch [TS]

01:35:35   this is going to be one of my really big [TS]

01:35:37   ones for the year [TS]

01:35:38   i'm also at the time thinking our man [TS]

01:35:40   this is just gonna get stolen so bad [TS]

01:35:43   like it's permeated that far into my [TS]

01:35:46   process that's how much a part of my [TS]

01:35:48   consciousness it is now thanks three [TS]

01:35:51   brothers that yeah there really is so [TS]

01:35:55   yeah that's been your your semi weekly [TS]

01:35:59   dose of happiness from the elemental [TS]

01:36:03   podcast we're still really lucky to have [TS]

01:36:05   such a good job [TS]

01:36:06   yeah of course of course like that [TS]

01:36:09   always that's always the thing but it is [TS]

01:36:11   it is the defeat in our voices is the [TS]

01:36:16   like the acknowledgement and the [TS]

01:36:17   recognition of of this like economy that [TS]

01:36:20   we are feeding into with our own [TS]

01:36:22   creation yeah like that like that is the [TS]

01:36:24   thing that just suddenly feels different [TS]

01:36:27   about it as opposed to a lot of the [TS]

01:36:28   earlier conversations that we have was [TS]

01:36:29   like oh individuals are uploading our [TS]

01:36:31   own stuff and it's like oh no now [TS]

01:36:33   there's just a whole economy about this [TS]

01:36:35   and tying into the YouTube content ID [TS]

01:36:38   system is like now it's now there's even [TS]

01:36:41   this absurd lengths of people making [TS]

01:36:44   money just straight off the work of [TS]

01:36:47   channels like I hate everything with [TS]

01:36:50   false claims it looks like this not even [TS]

01:36:52   not even uploading anything right there [TS]

01:36:55   just able to literally steal the money [TS]

01:36:58   from a channel by putting it in [TS]

01:37:01   a Content claim and you know me Brady I [TS]

01:37:03   don't like to use the word stealing [TS]

01:37:05   frivolously but I I make a lot of the [TS]

01:37:07   stuff with this content ID system is [TS]

01:37:09   like know that is stealing like that is [TS]

01:37:11   money that was as close to that person's [TS]

01:37:14   pocket as it could possibly be before [TS]

01:37:16   you die verted it into your own pocket [TS]

01:37:18   with this false claim for which youtube [TS]

01:37:21   will will never punish you [TS]

01:37:23   your stealer do you know who we [TS]

01:37:25   sometimes sound like and I am aware of [TS]

01:37:27   this [TS]

01:37:28   no we sound like the music record [TS]

01:37:30   companies did 5-10 years ago when things [TS]

01:37:33   like Napster and all this stuff started [TS]

01:37:35   and I didn't feel piles and piles of [TS]

01:37:39   sympathy for them like I saw what was [TS]

01:37:40   happening was wrong but I didn't think [TS]

01:37:42   you poor record companies i thought well [TS]

01:37:45   you know you make money anyway and okay [TS]

01:37:49   this is unfortunate but it sort of just [TS]

01:37:51   to think and that's exactly what we [TS]

01:37:53   sound like now don't you think so yeah I [TS]

01:37:57   i agree with you right there is a [TS]

01:37:59   certain sense of which we sound like the [TS]

01:38:01   record companies right part of what i [TS]

01:38:03   think was the record company's problems [TS]

01:38:07   was their refusal to acknowledge how [TS]

01:38:10   things were in the world and that was [TS]

01:38:12   why I had like no sympathy for them and [TS]

01:38:14   this is the thing that I try to be aware [TS]

01:38:17   of [TS]

01:38:18   that's why I like for example I'm like I [TS]

01:38:20   want to set up content ID because it [TS]

01:38:22   felt like okay the way I was doing [TS]

01:38:23   things is just totally unsustainable and [TS]

01:38:25   the other thing is is as we discussed [TS]

01:38:27   before like this is partly why I feel [TS]

01:38:29   like I'm just kind of giving in to [TS]

01:38:31   facebook at this point a little bit [TS]

01:38:33   rapidly because like okay well if my [TS]

01:38:35   videos are going to be all over facebook [TS]

01:38:38   anyway they might as well be my videos [TS]

01:38:41   right i might as well post them on [TS]

01:38:42   Facebook isn't that said that you did [TS]

01:38:45   that before they found a way to reward [TS]

01:38:47   you for enriching their side isn't that [TS]

01:38:50   sad that they won the battle that way [TS]

01:38:52   yeah it I mean it really is but it's [TS]

01:38:54   also partly why like I have tried to [TS]

01:38:56   change my business over time to adapt to [TS]

01:38:58   that pulling aside the curtain for a [TS]

01:39:00   little while part of this whole like [TS]

01:39:03   recognizing things are getting free [TS]

01:39:05   booted everywhere thing is one of the [TS]

01:39:08   big decisions about why I finally I'm so [TS]

01:39:11   late to this party but i finally said [TS]

01:39:13   like okay I am going to put [TS]

01:39:15   it embedded ads at the end of my videos [TS]

01:39:17   like I must have been one of the last [TS]

01:39:19   big channels on this train but i decided [TS]

01:39:22   to do it in no small part because I was [TS]

01:39:24   already thinking like okay well facebook [TS]

01:39:27   i won't be able to earn any money from [TS]

01:39:29   advertising on Facebook because they [TS]

01:39:30   don't have any kind of revenue sharing [TS]

01:39:32   plan so the only way that I can make [TS]

01:39:35   money if i'm still posting my videos on [TS]

01:39:38   facebook as if there is an embedded add [TS]

01:39:40   in there and then i can count those [TS]

01:39:42   views as part of how i sell the [TS]

01:39:44   advertising to who has ever sponsoring [TS]

01:39:46   those videos like this is this is what [TS]

01:39:49   I've been trying to change my business [TS]

01:39:51   very slowly to adapt to this new [TS]

01:39:54   situation it's like I don't want to put [TS]

01:39:56   my videos on facebook but i also just [TS]

01:39:58   can't can't stand like it like a a rigid [TS]

01:40:03   statue and refuse to bend or recognize [TS]

01:40:06   the changing environment around me [TS]

01:40:08   because that way lies doom and so if in [TS]

01:40:11   the future that means like oh ok well i [TS]

01:40:13   upload videos on facebook and i have [TS]

01:40:14   embedded ads in them [TS]

01:40:15   this is just the next step of how of how [TS]

01:40:19   this business is going to work [TS]

01:40:20   are you going to post your videos on [TS]

01:40:21   facebook tonight I guess you need to set [TS]

01:40:25   up a whole bunch of facebook pages i [TS]

01:40:27   already have Facebook pages for all [TS]

01:40:28   those projects i guess this is a good [TS]

01:40:31   time to tell the people follow us on [TS]

01:40:33   facebook and i feel so gross saying that [TS]

01:40:37   but seriously do follow us on Facebook [TS]

01:42:24   does that now this is that the like the [TS]

01:42:28   arm rest of my chair but actually [TS]

01:42:30   somehow there's something always [TS]

01:42:32   something there is a sense it happens [TS]

01:42:34   that no matter where you are [TS]

01:42:36   he was something in your environment [TS]

01:42:38   that you can fiddle with that I'm going [TS]

01:42:40   to have to cut out later [TS]

01:42:41   everywhere we go I was born to fidget [TS]