H.I. #58: Hawk & Mouse
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I just feel I just feel after every
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section out slightly over you
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I wonder if I don't make it probably
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know why do you think that Brady that's
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also why i'm so confused about things
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I've talked about before the final class
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tonight because I there are things I've
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talked about and you've cut and then
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like a few weeks later I might have like
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a second bite at the cherry and if i get
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through this time it's it's let your
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like it's like when your parents say no
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to something and then you ask them a few
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weeks later I sometimes feel like that
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with topics on the podcast was like our
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great cat I wonder if i get away with it
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next week
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this this feels like the episode that
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nearly didn't happen
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yeah because you are in california which
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is awful for many times own reasons we
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have gone over before it is impossible
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to record but it is night time for me
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and very early morning for Brady as far
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as I'm just ray gray you know where i am
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and you know I want to hear you say site
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decide for me you're in san francisco
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pretty at the spiritual home of
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numberphile yeah
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hey it's berkeley always it perfectly i
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didn't know if that was ever let me stay
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you weren't there so often it feels like
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maybe you should just tell me when you
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are not at the spiritual home of
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numberphile right when planning when
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you're in England let me know when
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you're not there now as i say to you
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have recorded so many episodes here that
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it should be the spiritual home of hello
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internet i actually haven't spoken to
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you since you took delivery of the
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package of classic and pro flags for
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signing oh yeah yeah i was just
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wondering what you thought of the flags
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when he's finally touch them and you
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know handled them for the first time I
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was quite impressed with the flags that
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you were able to get made I have to say
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they were extremely quality feeling in
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the hands and I thought 11 us
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yeah nice and nice and thick you know
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they felt like real like this is a flag
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that is going to be flown somewhere but
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but the one thing I was wondering is I'm
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sure have have you have you kept one for
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Brady because i was i was thinking i got
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i got this whole big package of flags
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and i'm signing them for people and and
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sending them off it took them off
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the post office but as I was going
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through the the package and signing all
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the flags one by one I thought is there
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going to be a flag for me i didn't
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actually order and the average was
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wondering like oh I'm getting to the
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bottom of this I don't think there's a
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flag for me
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well we have a slight conundrum here huh
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because I sort of pre ordered a batch
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and then the orders came in from people
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that wanted these they're quite
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expensive so I wasn't expecting I wasn't
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expecting a lot of orders yet the pro
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yeah but there was only one pro flag
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left at the end so in this i have more
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made there's only one and this obviously
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two of us and I basically I kept it for
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catalog story show I just didn't think
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it didn't think what would you do
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without you it's not like he put up in
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your house or it was just I didn't think
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he'd want 1i thought you'd be happy just
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knowing I had 1i am happy Brady because
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if there was one in the box i would have
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thought oh that's really lovely i'll
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give this to Brady for safekeeping but
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you've already kept one and i don't know
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i didn't even cross my mind that you
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would already have one in your little
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Brady clutches
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I was just gonna go we must have just
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sent them all out but no we didn't of
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course so yes I would have just I would
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have looked at it admiringly for a few
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moments and then send it right back to
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you for safekeeping
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well i have got one so if we ever have
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another sort of public event like a
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Darth Vader was event or something we
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have one that can be sort of flowing
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over the event or something if necessary
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if necessary if necessary i think that
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is absolutely necessary
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yeah this is going to be in our in our
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rider whenever we do events in the
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future that the flag must be flown above
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whatever venue we are going to be at all
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right and like if one of us ever like
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shuts down one of our youtube channel
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that has to be flown at half-mast and
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things like that
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mmm yes and we would we would request
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that all of the hello Internet flags
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around the world be flown at half-mast
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if one of the channels get shut down or
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I guess on the inevitable day when one
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of us dies first
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yeah something suddenly this is really
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quite morbid but yes
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yeah when you inevitably die before i do
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Brady i really hope that everybody puts
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the the flag and
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mass that would be the respectful thing
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to do I wonder if your wife would see
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the funny side if you died at your
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funeral I gave her like a photo that
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nylon gave leg i think a more touching
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thing could not happen reading sorry man
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i'm happy because we had mental image of
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being in your field or am I gonna get
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out of my head
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hello internet suddenly serious
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I've actually taken the pro in the
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classic off the market temporarily
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because it was just such a fast
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packaging them inside them and then
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sending them to you for signing and like
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even though they're quite pricey I still
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thought this is like taking loads of
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time and effort and this is why
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listeners of the hello Internet podcast
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might notice that anytime there's a
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one-off thing that happens one of us the
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Brady advice is the one who always
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handles it so i think i mislike goes up
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on ebay anytime there's flags for sale
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you recently did like a a special run of
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t-shirts on like teespring that was
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separate you did the the two animals
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t-shirts on teespring everything that
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the one-off is really a brady off
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because I will not touch one off things
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with a hundred-foot pole because I just
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I hate how much of a fast they are and
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like you said it is always so much more
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of a faff then you think it's going to
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yeah even if it's something simple like
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oh someone's going to send me flags and
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then I'm just going to pass them on
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it's always so much more of of a pain
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then you think it's going to be and what
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my own experience was I know when I
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first started doing the crowd
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fundraising thing at one of the rewards
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that i did was i did these handwritten
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postcards that I was sending out to
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people while they were really fun to do
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and while like people always had me
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write really funny things or sometimes
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quite touching things actually in the
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postcards like pushing people happy
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graduation and all like all these other
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kinds of things i eventually had to stop
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because it was it was just like this
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this flag problems like man this takes
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up a surprising amount of time to do
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these things individually and to send
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them off to the post office and so that
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was my lesson in scalability I will
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touch no project
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x that cannot scale automatically mm but
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I'm very happy to work with you Brady
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because you like to handle the one-off
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stuff you'll complain but you'll still
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do it you're still having to handle them
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because you had to take them all out and
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followed them and so on them and follow
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them back up and put them in their
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envelopes so I did it for the nation
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Brady right it was our flags i was happy
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to do it but still you handle the bulk
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of it and I felt like the least I could
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do was eventually get around to sending
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them out
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I have to say I mean it's not like we
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can ask for signatures a lot but i'm
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always reluctant to not sign something
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if I made someone in fact i would never
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not sign something if I met someone
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because i remember when i have asked
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people for signatures and the ones who
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have refused and the ones who haven't
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and it's burned in my memory to this day
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how much it meant to me when I like met
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like my favourite cricketer and he
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agreed to sign something for me and I
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also remember the people who said know
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who said know who was the most
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heartbreaking Brittany I'm it's ok you
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can share with the group I'd rather not
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go into the nose actually it's too
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painful the memory there are no fair
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enough that you'll share when you're
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ready really appreciated i'm still in
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autograph refusal counseling
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yeah it's a you know if the traumatic if
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the traumatic event it's traumatic
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events did I ever tell the podcast the
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story about when I met my cricket hero
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and don't know i think so but I don't
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know it's been too long you tell it
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again anyway so my cricket hero
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it was a wicketkeeper for the west
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indies cricket team called jeff john and
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he retired from cricket by this point
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and he was now a coach of the cricket
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team and that cricket team have happened
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to be an Adelaide and i was working by
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this point and i took my lunch break off
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work and I'll stressed in my you know my
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shirt and tie and everything and I went
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down to the cricket practice where they
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were training so that when they came out
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of the training session I could try and
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ask for his autograph and he was rushing
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from one place to another and he was
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refusing everyone going past or the
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autograph collectors and I cold out and
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I said Jeff can use can you sign this
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credit card for me and he sort of the
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sort of shook his head and kept going
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and then I looked at him and I said Jeff
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I've come here in my lunch break and I
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like held up my tie like I grabbed my
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held up image and showed him my tires
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proof and he looked me up and down you
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saw i was dressed in that work attire
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and then I just put on this pleading
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face and I said you're my boyhood hero
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and he just caved and he came over and
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sign my card and the minute he did that
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a hundred other people came running over
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and lined up and had to sign other
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things as well but you know what I love
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him for and i still remember that i
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still remember that he liked he heard me
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out and he made my case and he thought
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okay you've sold me on it and he did me
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a solid c i'm pretty sure that you have
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told the story on the podcast before now
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because i remember this
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I've definitely told you the story i
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just don't have total on the podcast
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will hear about it in the comments if we
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have but it just reminds me again I just
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how how sympathetic I am though to
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celebrities who don't want to sign
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autographs
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hey you you do hear from people all the
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time you know these stories that are
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burned into their minds of oh yes I ask
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conflicted about these things but people
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that but the bigger the celebrity is the
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more his definitely like but you don't
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understand how much of a problem can be
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for that person right where it's like
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go all the time and then immediately
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like other people are going to come up
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could be stuck there for hours sign
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hearing people are always gauging this
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on boy i would love to be asked to sign
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my name on something once in a public
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situation and they're not thinking about
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it from the scenario of the of the
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celebrity I don't know if I mentioned it
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before but there's a video that I think
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celebrity is like and it's a video that
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Jim Carrey took in Brazil where he's
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beneath that giant jesus statue have you
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seen this video
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no no okay it's astounding because it's
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it's jim carrey any he you know he's
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filming himself he's filming his face
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in Brazil beneath the gigantic jesus
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statue and he has the camera handout so
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just slowly turns
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around so that he's now facing the
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monument and what you just see behind
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him is just a sea of people crushed
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right up against him
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all of them have their phones out
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filming him that to me is like the most
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clear example of showing that like
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celebrity at a certain level is just
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scary because you could see like he's
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crushed up against the edge of this
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monument and there's just like this
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crowd of people who just want to get
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close to him as like man everywhere
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Jim Carrey goes it must be like this all
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the time must be just awful
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so that's why if you see a celebrity
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leave them alone that's my advice people
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it is it it is always kind of packed up
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there anyway but i do wanna see that
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video is anything with it it's super
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weird super creepy
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mara so while i have been here for two
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weeks i did go to LA on the weekend
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oh it was good i went and hung out with
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a direct from Paris tablet and we had a
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great time
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Derek from veritasium that would be
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worth going to LA for it was Duke date
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weekend really a date weekend
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well i'm away and mrs. Dirk was away it
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was just the fellas
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yeah I got there and Dirk was like let's
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go riding on bicycles like dental you
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know Venice station because everyone's
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are outdoorsy and that and I'm a little
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bit ashamed of what I'm about to say but
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really we had during a park and we had
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to borrow another one from his neighbor
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but we only had one helmet between us
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and the LA roads are kind of crazy we're
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going to be writing all these main roads
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and although it was good yeah and like I
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just got off the plane and look up of
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course I can ride a bike quite capably
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but I don't ride bikes often and
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especially tried them on la roads and I
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was a bit like hard enough I don't know
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if I want to ride a bike without a
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helmet so even though it was switched to
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Derek even that was Derek's helmet when
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he did offer to let me wear it
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I did not take the hard as nails option
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and i took the helmet and the funny
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thing was we then like posted a couple
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of selfies on Twitter and people were
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like condemning Derek for not wearing a
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and he'd given me his own but he's
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sacrificed his helmet for me and he
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still kept it for being being not safe
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so anyone who saw those pictures and
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things that Derek was being unsafe and
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doesn't wear a helmet he was sacrificing
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his pretty face an amazing brain for my
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inferior face and braid nobody should
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catch flack for that because he was
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being unsafe i don't care if he normally
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wears a helmet it's still done Derek
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listening to this where a fucking helmet
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when you're riding your bike
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what the hell's wrong with you man if
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I'm ever gonna visit you in LA I can't
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do it if you're dead
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I love it when you get old mumsy and
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protective not being mumsy it's just
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it's stupid it's just ridiculously
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stupid disappointed in you Derek I'm
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really disappointed and then like within
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five minutes he was pulling at his phone
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and sending text messages while we're
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riding a lot of the morning right anyone
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I don't want to hear this
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I don't even want to know this is just I
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told him up for that
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oh yeah that's that's where you draw the
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line Frank you're happy to take his
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helmet away his skull protector but the
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instant gets on his phone with text
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messages
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oh that's that's over the line now for
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Brady suddenly Brady gets protective now
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there was a very funny moment though
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when we are riding alone you know this
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place like pass on the beach so you can
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ride along the beach you know it's over
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it was over a lovely and we were
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planning on saying Michael that not of
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the source file so we had to call him up
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so as we were riding a log we called him
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up on speakerphone and we were riding
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side by side while
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Marcos voice was blasting out of the
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phone and we were like both talking to
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him like looking at the phone and it did
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occur to me that if there was like a
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bystander who was like really into
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educational YouTube videos people they
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would hope they would have thought was
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that Brady and Derek just riding past
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and we're watching a veces video
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ok this is Michael's voice Blair again
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his phones that and Michael sounds so
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much like Michaels videos to he's like
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he's so the same person that was
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definitely my takeaway the first time
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meeting Michael was when you meet
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someone who does a youtube channel
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there's always a moment of calibrating
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in your brain the difference between
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seen them on camera and then just in
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real life but i have never met anyone as
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close to themselves on and off camera as
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Michael like when you give you ever in a
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room with him and he's talking to
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someone behind you get your brain can't
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help but always think like someone just
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playing a Vsauce video it's where
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someone's playing a resource video on
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their phone
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it's like oh no I'm just in a room with
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Michael he's just a few paces behind me
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talking to someone else that's what's
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going on
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it was fun but we also i mean we really
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live the finished Ron lifestyle we we
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went bike riding the first day and then
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we walked up a mountain we went up to
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the hollywood sign rule sweating up the
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hill there was kind of a very ironic
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moment when we got to the top of this
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Ridge there was a left turn or a right
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turn and the left turn would take you to
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this thing called the wisdom tree and
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the right turn would take you to the
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Hollywood sign out and we say when
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Hollywood I said there's something so
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ironic being with you here Derek
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choosing between western and hollywood
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and he's moved to Hollywood though
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derek has chosen Hollywood actor he's
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definitely the most Hollywood we also
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did go to the wisdom tree but that's
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because it was only a hundred meters
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away then after that impart wisdom I
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imagine didn't imagine it did not I did
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not I did not feel any wiser
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yeah I don't know what I like the tree
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of the knowledge of good and evil upon
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the mount now the country of good and
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evil is not an amount good evils that
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the tree in the garden of eden and that
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the burning bush up on that sign we got
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to get you back to Sunday School bed
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my son is going to to be so disappointed
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i really liked going up to the hollywood
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sign did you are like in the movies they
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always end up sitting on top of one of
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the letters did you and Eric sit on top
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of the letters and hold hands and you
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yeah funnily enough that's not really
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how it works when you actually get them
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really connect you can only look at it
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from behind through a huge mesh fence
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and it's a it's like disappointing but
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it is disappointing in a way i liked i
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like to sort of the grittiness and
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saying that the ladders on the back of
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it it's actually made of like corrugated
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iron like way the corrugated iron and
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then when we got to the summit there was
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a viewer i loved it because he said are
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you do numberphile and then he tried to
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say veritasium couldn't say it he was
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and he was wearing a speed master so we
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ended up just talking about speed
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masters i was at the Hollywood sign
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talking with a number file viewer
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talking about speed masters that I was
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that how couldn't have been happier and
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he got Derek's name wrong and he got his
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name room
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Derek wanted to look at a couple of open
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houses because I think he's he's looking
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at sort of dabbling dabbling with some
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real estate so we are then when he and i
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just went around to open houses together
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like that people were coming up to a
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single so what are you guys looking for
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is this really was a day weekend
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yeah two young guys and love looking to
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buy a house together
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he was a super host i tell you why he he
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went above and beyond the call of duty
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he basically chauffeured me around took
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me four nice meals wined and dined me
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directors had a lot of shows and when a
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good time he was he was fantastic
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so but I'm not gonna stop calling him
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Duke only go so far so so gray I really
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saw strongly strongly think it's time
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that we do some follow-up on guns germs
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and still now now now
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okay listen listen yeah it's just you
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and I took myself into this corner here
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listen people we will do follow-up on
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Guns Germs and Steel is where each time
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we've been preparing for the show I look
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at all of these notes and all of these
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links that i have and i just feel like I
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again I just can't even like I have to
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load all of this stuff into my brain
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before i can even remotely talk about it
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but at least this time I have an excuse
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i have an excuse to put it off because
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actually by the time this podcast will
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be up i will have probably put up the
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second part of the video so at least
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then okay well just get it all over at
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next time but we're not going to do with
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this time you're not going to drag me
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into it Brady people will have just seen
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the other video maybe god I hope so
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by the time this plot gas goes up but
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I'm not getting into it now I'm not
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getting into it i love i love would pick
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when people put things off as piles up
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all of them and I said even the ones in
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for long-term storage supply disposable
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they just went out the back and smash
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them and put them in demand
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that's they were disposable ones they
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greyhound kona right-hand corner anyone
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this is this your other corner right
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hand corner right hand corner here is
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that cannot be a kona can i stop it from
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being a corner
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I think not you know I left great hands
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to hear you like greyhounds
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I like Lulu greyhound seems like if you
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and I were going to get behind a dog if
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there was going to be an official dog
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hello Internet it would feel like it
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would be the greyhound because i have
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one and I have great in their name but
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it seems it seems like a no-brainer
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or is that too obvious ah i mean i would
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never get a ground but you know who's
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very lovely i wonder if anyone has named
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a greyhound cgpgrey held it seems
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inevitable now that she's going to get
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this is only a matter of time
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well greyhounds have been a little bit
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in the news lately and on my mind
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why is that i read a story yesterday
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that has outraged me great outrage home
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is about the gambling industry which
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makes a boatload of money from greyhound
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racing and the greyhound racing industry
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is not something i particularly approve
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of but obviously these dogs when they're
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racing days finish traditionally have
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been treated very poorly sometimes they
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have just been put down speak terrible
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isn't it as terrible as that
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yeah i'm gonna agree with you that
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putting down dogs after their racing
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days are over is not a good not a good
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thing the ground now how racing is just
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all something that's really weird about
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it I great i agree i grew up in a place
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where there was a horse racing which I'm
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sure is not exactly like a pleasant
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industry but for some reason when you
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grow up near ish or hearing of a thing
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it just seems more normal and i never
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saw a greyhound race until I came to the
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UK and that was the first time SI camera
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where was there some big greyhound race
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track that closed down a few years ago
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and i went there with some friends
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because they were they were fans of it
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and it was won the last race anyway so I
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saw a greyhound racing just a strange
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thing to see ya
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these dogs that have been bred to be
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like cheetahs racing it's like it's made
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up to isn't it like it like you're right
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for some reason maybe it's just
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conditioning horse-racing kind of seems
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and then it's like you would make up for
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a joke or we could raise dogs or we
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could write and then but now we wouldn't
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really do that but they do that right
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now I'm sure it's probably got a history
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longer than horse racing for all I know
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but it does seem it does seem strange
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yeah but yeah but not only that it's
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like we're going to super breed these
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dogs to be amazing
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runners like we're gonna drench we're
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going to stretch their biology as far as
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we can to turn them into running
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machines so there is there is though
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this sort of retired greyhound industry
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we're not an industry is a charity where
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they they take these dogs after they've
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finished their racing days and they
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rehome them that is where literally
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comes from Lily was a racing dog lil
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erased had a semi-successful racing
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career she was retired she went off to a
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retired greyhound trust that had the job
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of finding a home for Lulu and literally
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found a home with us
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the retired greyhound industry is funded
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by the racing industry itself and at the
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moment there's a lot going on in in the
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parliament and in the media about the
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betting industry not giving enough or in
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some cases not giving any money to
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retired racing greyhounds that basically
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I have a voluntary levy and the amount
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left there giving to this it to the
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retired greyhounds has fallen by nearly
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fifty percent in the past decade
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despite the profits being in the
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hundreds of millions of pounds and I
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guess that the companies that are
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running the race tracks or whatever
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yeah they they have signed up for a
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policy of self-regulation is that oh
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don't worry we'll choose to donate a
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certain amount of money towards the
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continued care of greyhounds like is
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that the current state of things like
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they're just opting to do it that's my
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reading of it does seem like it's a it's
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basically a public relations thing I
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mean obviously the greyhound racing
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industry can get a slap a lot for the
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treatment of dogs quite rightly and I
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think for PR reasons they have they have
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these things in place and if you go to
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great i have been to a greyhound racing
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event as well they had they always have
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like a section halfway through that
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whether parade a couple of retired
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greyhounds and i'll talk about the
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retired greyhound trust so it's
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obviously sort of a a diffusing PR
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tactic to say we are weak we support
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these dogs afterwards but that support
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is clearly waning there's one gambling
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according to this article there's one
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very famous gambling company in the UK
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called betfair and they announced a few
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years ago that they were stopping their
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voluntary
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attribution of 800,000 pounds a year i
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think this is outrageous i read this
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article last night and I was so angry
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and I thought our people need to know
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this i wish more people knew and if only
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I had some way that I could tell lots of
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people about this and then sort of
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occurred to me are i do a podcast or
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cgpgrey maybe i'll mention it there and
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i don't know i don't know you know i did
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it i don't know what i want to happen or
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people to do but i just want to say this
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is outrageous
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greyhounds a wonderful wonderful animals
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and this makes me angry
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so do you think that the the bedding
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company should be required to pay for
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the Greyhounds end-of-life or rehousing
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or was it like what do you think is the
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ideal outcome here i think they should
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be forced that and this is what's being
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debated in parliament I think making
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this sort of levy and payment compulsory
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and not just a voluntary PR thing I
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think the people who are making all this
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money out of the Greyhounds should be
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industry's making 237 million pounds out
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of greyhounds i think a reasonable chunk
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sure that these greyhounds have a nice
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life afterwards and don't just get
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killed and have the ear cut off so that
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people can't see the tattoo in the
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Greyhounds here and know who killed it
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it's not unreasonable is that ok so i
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got a couple questions here go ahead i
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will probably probably won't have the
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answers I'm just like stirred up by an
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irate that it turns out no answers to
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anything
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yeah that's how that's not as now
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internet angle works is that bridges the
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bare minimum of facts maximum oceans
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right good i love your hugs i have one
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of these bugs
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ya know that this is like this is like I
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do I have been following us for a while
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I could have gone to greyhound charity
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events and who we've been very involved
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in patronage for retired greyhounds so I
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this is very close to my heart
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obviously it's it seems to have just
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bubbled to the surface of it lately
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there's been a few stories going around
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about mistreatment of the dogs and you
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know abandoned dogs found with you know
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this year missing and things like that
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and it's got me
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it's got me stirred up the thing to me
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that is immediately strikes me as is an
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externality in economics
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there's a cost that a company doesn't
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want to bear but they are a producer of
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that cost
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it's like okay so you have this industry
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which turns through the Greyhounds but
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then they don't want to pay for the
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retirement of the Greyhounds right but
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they want to take all of the profits
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from the Prime life of the grounds as I
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ok i am anti externality in general
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because then you're not incorporating
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like the full cost of the thing and it
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like externalities are bad but I'm just
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but it's occurred to me as you're
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talking though is who owns the
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Greyhounds during their racing lifelike
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presumably the betting companies don't
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know on the greyhound now I never liked
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the right but their own vibrators and
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there are people who raised them and for
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him and these people these people are
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also under the cosh it's not like i'm
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talking about the the betting industry
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because I guess the building industry I
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think make the most money I think they
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make more than the breeders and also the
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bedding industry seem to be the ones who
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are in the firing line at the moment
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whether that's because they're the ones
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who are reneging on their commitment and
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the breeders are not reneging I don't
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know if that's the case or not I don't
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know the current status of whether the
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breeders are doing their bit and so it's
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the bedding industry they're getting
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slapped around but you are quite right
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these are bred by you know people who
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race greyhounds for a living and I
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believe they have obligations in this
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area as well i'm not saying that it's
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just the bedding industry that is
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responsible but the building industry is
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what drives this industry like if the
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betting if betting on greyhounds ended
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tomorrow I think greyhound racing would
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would end within a year
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yeah that's what I was just wondering
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like who are the players here and it
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just it just occurred to me like it
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seems unlikely the company you know get
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I don't know anything about this but
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just thinking okay someone else must own
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these dogs the players of the Breeders
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the tracks and the entertainment around
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the people who you know sell beers and
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meals to people who can watch it the
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betting industry presumably TV and media
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although i don't know how much that's is
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supplementing the gambling and how much
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people just watch for the fun of it but
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there are there are multiple
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stakeholders here who who are extracting
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value to use the grays and from the dogs
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and I think they should
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put some value into their retirement if
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you were Emperor for a moment here
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mhm would you allow the greyhound racing
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industry to exist and you get to
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determine what percentage should go to
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happy greyhound retirement or if you
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were Emperor would you ban greyhound
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well that's an interesting question i
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mean obviously because i have a
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greyhound that I love like I I'm glad
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that the industry existed before because
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it brought into existence so right but
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if I was Emperor cat became for tomorrow
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that would put me in a very interesting
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conundrum that's why I'm asking
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I don't know my my first instinct was to
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say stop button but if I was Emperor and
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all-powerful I mean I see how much
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pleasure louie gets from running is this
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she's never happier than when she's
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running really fast she was just she was
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bred to love that but I mean if I was
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Emperor and I could have every every dog
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pampered and on a big velvet pillow
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eating its favorite pig's ears and then
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do one race awake and then get a nice
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pat afterwards and lots of people watch
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it and enjoy it and then they have these
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amazing retirement sand
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I mean if the live if the level of care
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was like luxury spire in vegas level and
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i'm empress so i can dictate that well
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you can dictate a percentage of the
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company's money that has to be spent on
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the Greyhounds right on welfare right
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you can't I mean unless you're gonna
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start taxing people to just take care of
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greyhounds like you're taxing the whole
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from the whole nation I think you might
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then have some some problems on your
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hands there but you could say like Oh
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fifty percent of your profits have to go
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into greyhound luxury services like
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that's what you can do
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part of me says stop but you know we
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shouldn't be using animals in this way
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but I ate mate and I don't I great
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Adonai that's a really good question i
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think if i became Emperor tomorrow I
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would phase out greyhound racing
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hmm i have been to race I've been to
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greyhound racing before I've even bet on
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that on greyhound races so there is a
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heads-up of hypocrisy there
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but I think I would be comfortable
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phasing it out over time
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yeah even if it meant that greyhounds
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ceased to exist eventually I'm going to
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be a bit gray rational about that and
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say that if the dogs if people like the
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dogs and braid them they'll continue and
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if they don't know why sort of survival
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of the fittest maybe i don't i love i
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love the idea of survival of the fittest
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as though there's any kind of natural
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selection with dog breathe you can think
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that situation where did the world's
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most bread example it's like it's more
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like survival of the cutest or survival
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of the best survival of the most
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appealing to humans
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yeah or at least appealing to a
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subsection of humans right like this is
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this is the most anti natural selection
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there could possibly be as long as there
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remains a small group of humans that are
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extremely dedicated to greyhound
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breeding like there will still exist
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greyhounds i have i've got another grey
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handle Emma
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oh yeah on a recent holiday loot it was
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running on the beach loon loves running
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on the beach that is like that is head
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navona em and i was filming here with my
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iphone and I was filming her in slow
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motion so that i could just watch some
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great you know glorious majestic footage
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of her running along the page and she
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was running towards me at absolute tops
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paid and there was a paddle in like on
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the beach that she couldn't say and I i
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well I was oblivious to it as well
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because the water was very clear and
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still and when she stepped into this
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puddle she had the most spectacular
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crash you could imagine she I mean
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you've seen the footage of it see she
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smashed down headfirst onto her neck she
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rolled onto her back she slid for about
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two or three meters on her back across
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the wet sand ordering ordering my little
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chihuahua who was watching had to leap
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out of the way because she was about to
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get clean that like a like a skittle by
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a bowling ball and like for a split
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second I thought literally had broken
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her neck and was about and she was gonna
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die but straightaway Lulu jumped up
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shook the water sand and water out of
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her coat wagged her tail and was ready
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for more running
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she was absolutely fine and as soon as I
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realized she was fine and ready for
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the thought also occurred to me I just
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filmed this in slow motion
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and I and I looked up to my wife with a
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smile on my face she was just completely
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destroyed worried that literally was
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heard and I just looked at my wife and
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said I've got that on film
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yeah what a good girl Carrie ok and she
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was a bit disappointed like she was that
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all you care about is feeling I said
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look she's absolutely fine and she's
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we're gonna time she wants to run we put
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on the late for 10 minutes because we
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were worried that maybe she shouldn't
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run but she just wanted off the way she
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wanted to run she was absolutely fine
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this happened a number of months ago and
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i am yet to do anything with this
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footage other than show it to a few of
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my friends because part of me now feels
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like it would be wrong of me to take
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advantage of like her mishap
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I've been like I've been torn about
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whether i should like put this up on
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youtube for people to look at and have a
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laugh at or I should just like save
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Lou's embarrassment Lulu's not going to
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be in various now now i know of course
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she's not i know she's a dog but i felt
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a bit torn about it but I think maybe
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the time has come to put it on YouTube
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and I just I just want you to hold my
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hand here for a minute and tell me it's
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okay it's okay because Lulu is fine and
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i have never seen a more magnificent
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filming of anything human or animal
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tripping up bandages totally crashing in
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the way that she does in that video and
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again the very fact of of poor little
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Audrey realizing what's occurring and
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running to get out of the way and just
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making it the video is just perfect in
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every every way that it could be you
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have to put this up on youtube it is
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going to be a freeboot central when I do
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it isn't it yeah yeah without a doubt is
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going to gonna be everywhere immediately
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because it's it's amazing the fact that
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it's an like it would be a great video
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if it was just a regular video the fact
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that you happen to be filming in slow
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motion when this occurred is it needs
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like winning the lottery
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it's filming something like that you
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have to put it out maybe I should put it
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up and somehow do it for the Greyhounds
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the european union or if it should leave
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to consider leaving and they'll be more
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european union would start the mechanics
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of actually the UK leaving
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start of presumably a possibly multi
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postcard referendum let the people
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network that we could have mirrored that
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anything hello Internet can be in or out
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independent nation here Brady right when
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hearts we're not in any of these
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grace going to make a video but I don't
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know if you will or not he doesn't tell
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do you think the UK should be in or out
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I can vote my current voting status is
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entirely based on this funny arrangement
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that the united kingdom and ireland
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Irish citizen in the UK i can invite by
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do you know how you're going to vote i
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arguments which I I think we're about to
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start in earnest now
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right to change my mind but if I had it
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I would vote to stay in the EU if you
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that just a gut feeling it's partly got
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perhaps have a more insula I don't mean
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that they don't like because of my work
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up to that not necessarily
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insurmountably barriers and you know
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and business to happened
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position so for a purely selfish
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encumbrance so I think that's a good
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what would be your feeling ok so you
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were whispering before like oh you're
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wondering if I'm going to make a video
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video projects but i can say it's pretty
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touched on anything like the EU and its
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relationship with all of the member
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complicated and I used to be very much
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how the European Union operates like a
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kind of crazy people about how the
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european union is super undemocratic
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undemocratic governmental body like they
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very complicated it's definitely a also
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like aside from its kind of you know
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overriding structure is a very flawed
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criticize things that you do and the
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wastefulness and things like that until
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the cows come home but like you say
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that's maybe that's not the core
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not getting we're not getting a vote on
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changing that right well let's get we're
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just getting a vote on leaving it right
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that's exactly it like this there's an
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in-out vote and there's like a
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superstructure that maybe you like maybe
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you don't like and everybody has
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different feelings on this that the
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the shorthand where people talk about
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the United States of Europe where it
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movement towards more of a United States
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various member countries are more
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unified and what they do as opposed to
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the current situation where they are
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less unified it's tied up in all of this
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complicated argument about like what do
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you want to continue to be a member of
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that I am definitely going to over the
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next few weeks
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vote today if someone just put a gun to
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I think the leaving would be a mistake
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this i can't i can't just take my
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here's all the reasons that we just stay
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should I take from this that you're
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a have more of a position rather than
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just laying out the facts much should we
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conclusion then that doesn't sound like
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well here's the thing i can't say if the
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video comes to a conclusion without
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having actually done all of the research
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legitimate sources on both sides for
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you it always seems like the UK has the
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European Union like the UK has all of
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lot of that stuff like it already has
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european union with the ability of being
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i think my vote would be to stay in i'm
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bank flag don't want to just want to
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think it was the third biggest trending
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topic on facebook while i was just add
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interview is I don't think they sought
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me out but I'm sure they sought you out
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of the world expert on freebooting well
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i'm not an expert on freebooting but as
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special place in the pantheon of
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they like you know how I like joke
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around brag about how i came up with
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this word that's taken off
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is that something one should brag about
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i be proud of that maybe not here maybe
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this isn't your claim to fame I'm
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realizing maybe it's a claim to inform
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me you know get you know i love when you
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get used to it is it takes some time
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she's saying these things and I don't
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even know how to respond to what you're
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clogged up route from my brain is trying
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of my brain is going that is what makes
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garrick know exactly but he's like
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this disease to be known as Lou Gehrig's
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disease
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likely to be here if we go back to your
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word murder
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how could anyone possibly possibly
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word murder okay well done I mean no one
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really cares because you read you would
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forever become associated with murder
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freebooting have no clue who you are man
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you are already and long relegated to
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the dustbin of linguistic history here
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the years like obviously obviously every
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think people are ever going to find out
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like this one thing like think now you
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negative thing I feel like you
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another
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this is the only done this is our
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fundamental problem it's like them what
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you're trapped say you invented
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freebooting man you know be be happy
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about it in in the in the future people
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word and for a brief second they will
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you're dead and forgotten and I imagine
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you're the kind of person that would
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bring some sort of some sort of pleasure
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to I don't think that's the case but I
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like I do like I do like to think that
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the things i do it for nothing
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mhm like I don't think my whole purpose
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for existing is so that i can earn
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enough money to buy tomorrow's dinner i
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do like to think there's more to me than
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just sustaining myself until my heart
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stops beating
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mhm but I don't like I don't want people
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to be like reading about me and
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encyclopedias or anything i have no
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visions like that but I'd like to think
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that there is a bit more to me then the
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next meal right then just your negative
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association with rebooting
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I was just thinking about it anyway I
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did I did this I did this show interview
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with this bow wall street journal person
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and and the the position was and this is
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my position at the moment is I'm just
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exhausted by by lying and I I just don't
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care anymore and all these people were
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tweeting me an email and they all these
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you know have you seen now this
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website's taken out or this players
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playing out or it's on it's on all of
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these facebook pages now and this was
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over the weekend actually while I was
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with dirt and I was saying to him
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I wish that I'd they were telling me you
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know i'm like i don't want people to
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stop telling me because I don't you know
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the knowledge is good but I almost wish
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that they didn't because it just became
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like cognitive load and I don't want it
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I didn't want to get all upset and go to
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the mattresses over I just what I just
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was like I just don't want to know I'm
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just this is what happens now
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so this wall street journal guy called
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up and I think he was hoping that ideal
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fired up and go on a rampage and I was
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basically saying to him look man I just
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I'm just exhausted by it's just like new
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job to the correct yeah as a call and
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thatÃs man in the world and he asked me
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a few questions and got me fired up so I
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made a few wisecracks towards the end
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i'm sure that's the only thing that will
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get used in the article if anything gets
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used in the article and i'll come across
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this like an angry wisecracker yeah
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that's what I never talk to reporters
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like here for you should know their if i
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don't come across this way I think the
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overarching theme of me on the issue of
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freebooting now and copyright is one of
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jaded exhaustion and i'm just being
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beaten down eatin just beaten he said he
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said to me you know it seems like the
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way forward for the youtubers or some
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youtubes think the way forward is just
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to start putting all their videos on
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facebook so that other people don't put
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on facebook first Who and I said I just
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said that would just be what a tragic
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way tip for the water and if they win
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the war that way
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yeah but I mean the thing is it's like a
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it's a serious consideration of course
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and it's a thing that I have totally
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tested out in a couple people who follow
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me on my Facebook page will notice
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that I have occasionally tested putting
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native videos just up on facebook for
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the exact same thing like can I at least
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be the first person to post my own
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goddamn video on facebook and try to try
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to get some some number of views from
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that you know it is it is totally
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depressing to to end up doing that
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anyway that's not that's not the main
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thing that's going on that's not what
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we're here to talk about it that's a
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that the side issue in the neverending
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exciting adventures of copyright which
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is what we're going to talk about now a
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little bit it's become a big thing last
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few weeks and I always think it must be
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quite boring for the podcast listeners
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is it's very inside YouTube but that's
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why we that's why it's at the end here
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Brady right yeah because there's nothing
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else coming people if you don't want to
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hear about copyright turn back right now
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because there's been a bunch of stuff
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about it what you want to bring up of
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these numerous things that have been
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going on there have been four videos in
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relatively rapid succession which are
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all dancing around the same topic there
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have been two videos from grade-a under
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a youtube channel i quite like that have
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been talking about problems broadly in
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the YouTube system channels getting
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taken down copyright infringement and a
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similar thing with I hate everything
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another good youtube channel talking
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about the same kind of problems like
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copyright strikes against his channel
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and then a nostalgia critic also put
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together a video talking about fair use
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on youtube and with all of these videos
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are talking about to some extent is the
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content ID system that exists on youtube
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and that this is the system that is
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supposed to allow content owners to keep
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an eye out for uploads of their content
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on youtubes system now
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I feel a bit like the like the fine
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brothers thing from last time I want to
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mention something like that relates to
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me before we get into this conversation
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that you were talking before about how
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you didn't even want to hear about how
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your video kept getting rebooted just
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everywhere all over facebook is going
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crazy just like it's you just depressed
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after a while and so I in the past few
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months have gone through something
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similar where I had for a very long time
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a bunch of google automated google
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alerts and searches for my own videos
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being uploaded elsewhere i particularly
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on youtube so i would be searching for
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titles or or very similar things with
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the titles of my videos and Google would
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send me emails like anytime something
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similar popped up and then I could do
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the normal thing which is to file a
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takedown up it was like okay someone
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just reuploaded my video on their
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channel let me fill out this long form
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and get it taken down but at a certain
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point it became just so many
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notifications just all the time that it
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became just like depressingly
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overwhelming like what i want to do do I
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just want to constantly spend afternoons
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of my time filling out the same dmca
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form over and over and over again to
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take down videos on youtube of of my
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stuff to people every uploaded and so I
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basically like turned off a bunch of the
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alerts because my feeling was like I let
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you win like you win freebooters like
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I'm just giving up i just don't care
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right and I don't even want to know
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anymore that like oh this has been
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uploaded here that's been uploaded there
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yeah but then I realized like oh wait a
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minute isn't this the whole point of the
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content ID system that YouTube
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supposedly has is that people who are
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rights holders can do this in an
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automated fashion like isn't this the
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idea of this thing and so I tried to
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reach out through a couple of the
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contact that I have at you to be like
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hey I know that I'm not one of these big
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multi-channel networks that you guys
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love to work with but like I am a
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Content owner like can I please also use
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the content ID system to try to do
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automated recognition of when people
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upload my stuff and long story short
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I i have a meeting with YouTube in a
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couple weeks that they're going to see
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if they can set this up for me right
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already in that gray i know this is this
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is one of this is one of the many many
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frustrating things with you too bright
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is like their seeming capriciousness and
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so some people are in some people are in
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I seem to be in some bizarro in between
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land where I need to convince them that
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i should be able to use this system like
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I can't let you were talking in the last
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episode about people who can just like
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press a button and have other people's
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videos take it down
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I haven't got that right but if someone
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reupload my videos it will be identified
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like automatically and that person I
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don't know what happens that person gets
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a some kind of notification i actually
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don't really look at i'm a bit it's a
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very automated and I never really see it
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much and sometimes ok i'll log into
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something and it will say so and so you
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know pinched your video but I mean
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that's only for youtube and i don't
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think i don't think that the problem is
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big on YouTube anymore i think i think
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the problem is much bigger outside of
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YouTube and that's like a web that's
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just a free-for-all we have no control
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over that is partly why like when
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YouTube creators are talking about the
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the problem of facebook freebooting kind
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of implicitly what creators one is
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something similar to content ID on
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facebook and so I bring all of this up
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because i want to have this is as the
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starting point for this conversation
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because it's very easy when people are
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complaining about the system to complain
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about big companies giving copyright
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strikes right this is almost like
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whenever I talk about politics or if i
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do a video on politics i never want to
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talk about the specifics because as soon
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as you talk about the specifics the
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conversation is like it's over before
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it's begun
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right because then people are thinking
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about their team and what the how they
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want their team to win so what we have
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on YouTube is is like in without
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thinking specific teams you have these
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two broad groups that you have people
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who are making videos and people who
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want to use fair use content in their
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videos so people who do like movie
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use or there's a whole genre of people
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that fall into the sort of extremely
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broad category of reply videos which may
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or may not be fair use but let's say
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like a certain number of them definitely
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are there people who want to make videos
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and who should legally be allowed to use
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clips from other people's videos to do
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so and then on the other side you have
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content owners who want to be able to
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protect themselves from people just
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endlessly reuploading their material
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these are the two sides and YouTube
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wants to make these sides happy right
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like in in many cases like they're the
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same side rights people like upload
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videos and they also want to protect
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their own videos like it's it's a very
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very complicated case but the thing that
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I didn't quite realize before this
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latest kerfuffle is just how far the
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content ID system is really bent in
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favor of content owners like the
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structure of the way Content ID works
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vastly vastly favors the owners of the
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content and disfavors creators but
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creators are owners of content i know i
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know right like it's so like I don't
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quite understand i have a power M when i
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create content that if someone steals a
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I could I can try and take action and
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and the person at the other end fears me
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like I'm a hawk that's going to sweep on
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them and protect protect what I made but
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i but i am also a mouse every time I
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upload a video i live in fear that
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someone is going to wrongly I hope
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accuse me of stealing content so I don't
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like I am both people every day of my
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it's like how do you how do you balance
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this thing but here's here's here's my
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view unlike the system-level problem of
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what's going on
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let's say right now like UD list like
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you are creating a YouTube channel and
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let's say you upload a video in which
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you have some unarguably like fair use
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material in it writes the upload some
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some video you
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little clip from a TV show that is
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reviewing or whatever right
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the way the current system works is that
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the owner of the material that you have
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used can automatically lay a claim on
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your video which to keep things very
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simple will basically means they're
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going to get any money that you would
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have earned from advertisements on that
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video yet so they can claim the video
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now the reason that this is an
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unbalanced system is because you is the
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video creator can then start a process
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which says oh but this is fair use like
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I want to appeal this I want to work
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through this whole process and say like
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oh no this is totally fair use that
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process can take quite a while to happen
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it can it can take up to three months
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like depending on how super long
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companies want to wait like if they want
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to wait until the absolute last moment
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because like a 30-day window and there's
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like that can be 3 replies back and
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forth he can take forever but the point
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is that all all how while while the
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video has a claim on it
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the person who made the claim is earning
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money off of the video that you have put
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yeah and if you win your claim you don't
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get any money back that is nuts that the
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person who laid the claim keeps the
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money throughout that and then even if
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they and even if the original little
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battler wins and it was fair use they
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don't get the money for that those that
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month or three months that is totally
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crazy but the thing that compounds it is
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that you as as the person making videos
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you can only challenge three of these
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claims at a time
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let's say you have a back catalogue of
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like a hundred videos and one day you
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wake up and discover that all hundred
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videos have been claimed by some media
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company saying like you know whatever
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you have our material in here right yep
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you have a hundred videos that are now
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earning money for the the person who's
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made the claim or the company that has
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made the claim you are earning no money
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on any of those videos you're only
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allowed to challenge three at a time and
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this means like okay you can be looking
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like years before you could clear all of
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those claims if they all take the
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absolute maximum of time and so this is
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where the system is horrific Leon
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balance because like okay content owners
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can lay an infinite number of claims but
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for some reason youtube has decided to
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put this arbitrary limit on how many
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claims a channel can fight at once like
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okay we have this ridiculously
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unbalanced situation where if you are a
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company that has access to this whole
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content ID system like you might as well
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just lay claim to everything like that
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you can set up the system to have rules
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about what do you want to do
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how many seconds do you want to allow of
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of content before the system
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automatically flags it you might as well
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just say like Oh allow no seconds worth
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of time like any use is not fair use
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claim everything and just have the bot
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go automatically laying claims across
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the whole of the YouTube landscape
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yeah and and then you just start
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collecting the money from that like
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there's no incentive for the the
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claimant to have any kind of respect for
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fair use if even if you are as a Content
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owner like you are every single one of
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your claims comes back as invalid right
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youtube can see in the system like oh
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this company in the past year it's made
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10,000 copyright claims against other
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people's youtube channel and every
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single one of them has come back as
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invalid
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youtube is like a thumbs-up that's fine
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right like that's legitimate business
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practice and in the meantime they aren't
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all the money while those claims were
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active like that's crazy like it's a
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crazy amount of power to give to the
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content owners when on the flipside like
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you know you either the the people
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uploading to their channels like you can
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only dispute three and if they do you
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have three go the wrong way like your
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channel get deleted it's just such an
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unfair system or it'sit's so lopsided is
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really what it is
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the other thing i didn't realize what's
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happening and i know you put this is in
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the notes it but it seems like now's the
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time to bring up the thing i didn't
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realize what's happening somewhat
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naively is this isn't just a case of
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they're being a gray area about was that
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fair use or wasn't phase there seemed to
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be companies whose modus operandi is to
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make claims against other videos that
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aren't in this gray area of fair use but
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just to make completely fake claims that
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where they clearly have no nothing in
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the video it would be like if I went
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claimed your last cgpgrey video even
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though I don't make the videos I don't
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make the music and the animation i'll
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just sum up I'm just some guy who makes
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up who exists and I'm just saying I made
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that i'm not saying i made that still
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that he took oh I made that music I'm
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just like I'm i made that i'm claiming
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it completely not debatably just
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completely fake it's like it's almost
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become like a like an Nigerian email
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scam thing where companies can just
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create this like shell company claim
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every single video on youtube as
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something they made even I've never made
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they could never made a piece of content
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in their life and that's just becomes
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this little revenue makers presumably
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some people weren't fired at some people
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might not know they've been claimed
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against in that and you just just just
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become this let's look power
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I can't believe it won't be closed
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within days now because after seeing the
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I hate everything video about her it's
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like i watch that and thought that I
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can't be real
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yeah yeah I hate everything video is
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just the is is the absolute pinnacle of
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this could be understanding its its its
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out its it's amazing but it is also just
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the natural consequence of this system
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where community comes in and says okay
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we can make claims there's no penalty
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for making false claims what we're going
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to do is just manually identify videos
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that are getting popular and manually
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put on a claim on them just edit and so
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I hate everything as this example where
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it's like oh this company called Merlin
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icc or something but that they claim
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that a section of his video is playing a
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song by someone they represent but they
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don't represent that person and the song
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isn't in the video right like this
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yeah isn't no debate about this but
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nonetheless the way the YouTube system
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works is like okay but that was I hate
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everything is most recent video it was
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it was rapidly running toward a million
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views but this company Merlin icc
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something like because of this dumb
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system like they get to make all of the
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money i hate everything won't get any of
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that money back when the claim is proven
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to be false and YouTube just that has no
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consequences to making false claims like
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that to me is the real core of this like
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you can't have a Content ID should be
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this system that is trying to balance
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these two parties right and to keep
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everybody happy but if if one side can
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act in a way that has no repercussions
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like well of course they're going to end
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up totally exploiting it and and this
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the I hate everything situation is just
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the pinnacle of it's like well might as
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well just start laying claims on all
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kinds of videos and just collecting the
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ad revenue it's crazy it's really crazy
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can I ask a naive question if I make a
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claim against you like I think you've
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used a bit of numberphile than your
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grave video that you shouldn't have you
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soon and you and you say it's Vegas and
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we go through this month few months
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processes of me saying you stole it you
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saying now I didn't me saying yes you
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did and neither of us give any ground
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how does it end who's the final Empire
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on whether or not something was used
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fairly light by default so my
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understanding is that it
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it's the person who is claiming it as
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fair use is the default winner so that
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so i would have to take you to court in
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the end that's right then after after
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three months it will if knowing if no
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one gives after three months the fair
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use claimer wins and or ghost court part
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of what is being decided in these
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documents that are going back and forth
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is that the person who is made the video
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is basically setting themselves up to be
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difficult like and toulouse really big
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if the Court finds that it's not fair
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use rights like that like that's what
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happens is like you are taking a bunch
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of boxes as the video creator that will
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totally screw you over if you're lying
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so that's why I think it defaults
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towards the the Creator being the
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default Victor because it's like okay
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well they've just they've put themselves
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in a situation where they're screwed
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you can take them to court if this
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really is a big problem and they're just
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it's over for them right they're not
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going to win for the first time that
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gives me some small insight into why
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this crappy system maybe was set up that
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way though because that means if if the
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if the if the big bad wolf keeps the
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money until until the noble fair use
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person wins the day you can almost see
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why you would skew it you would skew it
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that way because if the big bad wolf it
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turns out isn't the big bad wolf
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you're pretty unlikely to take someone
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to court it's like it's like you've sort
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advantage of you in the end that person
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take them to court because that's just
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get for being exploited as you keep the
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money for that first month photo and
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then I get to explore you for the next
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hundred years because they won the day
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yeah it's black and and most of the time
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that's not the case but it's all you can
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almost see why you would set it up that
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yeah and this is one of these cases
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where I have never had to follow this
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through all the way to the end I've had
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to do a little bit of this but not very
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like it has really gone super far so I
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this is a case where I may be wrong
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about these details but let's but let's
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just let's just assume for the moment
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that this that this is the case i can
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see the argument yes like okay we will
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give you some compensation in the
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meantime to make up for the fact that
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you won't go to court but that the
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problem is any time you drop the price
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20 feet
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we're going to use an infinite amount of
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it but if it has any utility at all and
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so what YouTube has done with his system
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is it has dropped the cost of making
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claims 20 which then incentivizes
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companies to just lay out an infinite
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number of claims that's where the core
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of the problem exists and if there was
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some kind of penalty to just constantly
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making false claims then this wouldn't
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be the case but since there's no penalty
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you just might as well make all the
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claims in the world it's almost amazing
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that content ID has existed this long
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before some genius at merlin III ccc co
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or whatever felt like I know how to make
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a whole bunch of money while doing
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nothing right
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it's it's it's astounding it's
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absolutely astounding so this is one of
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the rare cases where I feel like there's
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a there's a relatively straightforward
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answer to this which is YouTube imposing
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a cost on making claims so that you just
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don't make an infinite number of claims
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do you mean like like ten cents or
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something like you're you know you gotta
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pay a dollar or you gotta pay ten
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dollars and I don't even I don't even
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mean this is where I mean a cost just in
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in the sense of any kind of cost some
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small amount of money or some like
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strikes or getting your multi channel
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network removed if you have too many
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false claims i don't think that will
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I don't think that's good enough father
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though because people just create these
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sort of shell these shells when I and
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then get and then and then have like a
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week or two of fleecing everyone and
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then they get thrown off the network but
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oh yeah so I it to be to be clear i also
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agree with you with this idea of the
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escrow that the the other very simple
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change is if if a video has a claim on
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it all of the money is held in a
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separate account that goes to the winner
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in the end right that's yeah like that
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plus a small amount of cost for making
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claims is the way to fix this and it's
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it is it's unlike our conversation last
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time we were talking about how to fix
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angry internet mobs right where I think
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they're there isn't anything that you
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can do that isn't worse than the problem
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that you're trying to
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fix this to me seems like there's a
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relatively straightforward solution to
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this that I hope youtube implements
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because it's just like man makes
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everybody angry this content ID system
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I tell you what that if you have a viral
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video and like you know so this like
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potentially thousands and thousands of
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dollars sitting in this escrow pot and
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suddenly that fight over fair use is
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going to start getting nasty like it's
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like suddenly the trophy is more like it
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could become a real mess
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the amount of money isn't any different
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than the amount of mine that we're
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talking about now it feels differently
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it feels different if you want to get
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really cynical about it then you can
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just say our YouTube has an incentive to
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prolong the process to make it a
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year-long to they can earn interest of
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all of the money that sent an escrow
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there's that too right that didn't go to
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going to double the number of forms that
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you sent back and forth
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yeah it's just turns into a body pain in
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the ass
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yeah that's a as with as with many of
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the things we have discussed about on
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the podcast before I can i just i find
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so much of this YouTube's business stuff
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just exhausting like exhausting and this
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really boring way that it just fine like
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man it is i'm not trying to be like oh
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we know back when it was small it was
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amazing it was a little community people
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making videos together like that that's
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not my feeling of it but I don't know
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there's just there's just something
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about like all of the layers now that
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are involved in like I just want to
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upload a video on youtube but it's like
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oh but there's multi-channel networks i
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can and if you want to be a creator you
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need to sign up for one of these
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mafiosos style multi-channel networks
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and if you don't sign up for one of
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these multi-channel networks and you
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have like this whole other big set of
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problems to work with and then there's
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the YouTube on top of it and this
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content ID system and gigantic media
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companies moving in just know it's all
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very busy like there's so much stuff to
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keep track of and there's so much stuff
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to worry about it just it and you're
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better at the may at least you can kind
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of do that i can't i'm just rubbish
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yeah yeah it's it's it's absolutely it's
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just absolutely exhausted like it's just
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so much to think about and coming back
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to fair use just to be
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no introduction to get people upset for
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a second oh yeah i think i think most
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people misunderstand phase
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oh and yeah i mean obviously had the end
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and we've talked before about how the
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saying fair use doesn't automatically
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mean his face but but this would be much
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less of an issue if there wasn't
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maybe I'll just become more aware of it
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but it feels like it's becoming a bigger
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and bigger thing of people just being
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like derivative and unoriginal and i
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know and i know people going to say hey
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man everything is a remix and that's
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like trendy thing to say but like if
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everyone just makes their own stuff if
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people just create instead of doing what
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they call create which is reacting or
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reviewing or twisting or changing what
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other people have made this would not be
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such a big issue but I think I think I
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think it's lazy and I know that's the
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controversial thing to say because it's
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it's an act of creation to transform
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someone else's creation but i think it's
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lazy and I think because it's easy more
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and more and more and more people are
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doing it and that's what's creating this
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storm around what's fair use and what's
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not fair use and what's copyright and
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that it's because everyone's just being
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a lazy bones taking taking the work of
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what I was probably becoming it if
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proportionally a smaller number of
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people who actually make new stuff who
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actually go out with a camera and film
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things or who sit down and write like a
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script or sit down and animate something
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those people seem to be coming us know
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that they probably growing but they're
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becoming a smaller proportion and
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there's this growing growing growing
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group of people who then just wait too
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greedily devoured all these creations
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and just watch them or comment on them
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and and that and that's what they do to
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make their money as someone who's in
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that smaller group it feels a bit
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frustrating
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yeah it always is frustrating and the
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facebook thing is now a total and utter
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industry and there are people who are
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doing it legitimately who I have a bit
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more respectful and people who have
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every time you make a video that's any
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there was a whole bunch of people who
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just immediately gobbled it up and put
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it onto facebook
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yeah and there was another group of
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people who emailed me I've got a whole
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bunch of emails in my inbox from
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facebook people and companies saying we
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saw this video can we
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can we please put onto our player so
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there are people who are doing the same
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lazy thing but at least they're asking
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permission which I give them credit for
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but it's just it's just this growing
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industry now just sitting there waiting
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with a with their mouths open to be
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spoon-fed other people's creations
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yeah it can be it can definitely be a
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bit dispiriting when you are one of the
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people who puts a lot of work into
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making a new thing and then just seeing
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a bunch of people make money off of your
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work and there's a piston amazing clip
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it's in I think it's in the first grade
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A under a video where he talks about the
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problems with YouTube but this is an
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amazing clip where that he gets up of
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one of these guys who does these react
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channels we had a guy literally says the
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start of the video is like it's time to
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make money off of your hard work paid
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for before he goes to just film his dumb
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face watching other people's videos and
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I that's so fragrant segment I tell you
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what just to reactivate my ranch for a
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this is what it reminds me of because i
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was filming yesterday with a guy who
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designs clever things like mathematical
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models and dice and things like that and
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then he mass-produces them and he can
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sell them is a really clever guy coming
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up with these ideas and I said to him
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you know how are you getting these may
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presumably you know you send the desire
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to China and they make it he says that's
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normally what I do but that's always a
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big step when i do that because the
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minute i send it to China to be
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mass-produced they will still the design
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and a thousand other people will make
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knockoffs of em and it will be produced
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by other companies and the person who's
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doing of me will you sell it to other
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companies and the minute i do that it's
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going to appear everywhere so people who
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mass-produce things feel that now they
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feel this dread that the minute goes
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into the wild west of China the wild
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beast i guess i should say of China it's
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going to get stolen because there's less
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protection for them and they no longer
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control their intellectual property
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that's what it feels like for me now
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whenever I make something that I think
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finally going to be sharing this with
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the world and another part of me thinks
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this is the moment i'm also giving it to
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all those people all those free pages
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to gobble up what I've created it puts a
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different feeling on it when you know
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with almost one hundred percent
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certainty that like more people will see
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the thing where someone else has just
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taken your thing that on your own
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channel like if you distribute all of
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the free butte booted views that happen
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elsewhere like it it's very often like a
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larger number than the people who see it
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on your original thing and it's like my
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anymore crying like why am i yeah why am
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parasites on my back and yeah it's just
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really I even feel like in the past few
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remarkable industry of looking for
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things that are popular and then just
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leeching off of them and make right now
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the curators and if someone says all you
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should just be happy that it's being
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seen by so many people tell me that what
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happens ta yeah that's exactly right
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that no one ever feels that way when
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it's it's their own it's their own thing
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but so yeah I know it's it's like like I
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was saying before I I feel a bit weirdly
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defeated in this whole process of having
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deleted all of the alerts that I used to
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keep on top of other people uploading my
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stuff was just like managed just too
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I just can't deal with this and then
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also just finding myself in the
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situation like man I don't want it set
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up the YouTube content ID system like
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this is not another thing that I want to
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deal with but it's like okay i guess i'm
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going to go into a meeting with YouTube
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and and have this done and figure out
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how to make this work and like plead my
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case for please allow me to try to make
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claims of my own videos that are
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uploaded elsewhere
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it's like I just like i don't i don't
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want to do this but I've been forced
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into a situation where i just have to
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because it happened just way too much
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you know
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nice IM in
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you have to get your channels easily
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massive enough for that but I tell you
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how I tell you how ingrained has become
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when I'm filming I'm already thinking
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ahead to how i'm going to edit the video
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sometimes I'm already thinking with the
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title of the video will be sometimes
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they've been thinking what the thumbnail
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could look like it's just like the way
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my brain works like and now if I'm
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filming something about you know in a
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lab or in an office with someone and I
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can tell this video is going to be
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really good and I'm already thinking I
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could call that this and this is how i'm
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going to edit and it's going to be
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really popular it is real reached the
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point where while I'm still recording
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while the red dot is still on the screen
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i am already thinking about the fact
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that this video is going to be free
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booted like the days are over i'm
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thinking this is going to be a great
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video loads of people going to watch
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this is going to be one of my really big
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ones for the year
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i'm also at the time thinking our man
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this is just gonna get stolen so bad
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like it's permeated that far into my
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process that's how much a part of my
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consciousness it is now thanks three
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brothers that yeah there really is so
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yeah that's been your your semi weekly
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dose of happiness from the elemental
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podcast we're still really lucky to have
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such a good job
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yeah of course of course like that
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always that's always the thing but it is
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it is the defeat in our voices is the
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like the acknowledgement and the
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recognition of of this like economy that
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we are feeding into with our own
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creation yeah like that like that is the
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thing that just suddenly feels different
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about it as opposed to a lot of the
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earlier conversations that we have was
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like oh individuals are uploading our
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own stuff and it's like oh no now
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there's just a whole economy about this
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and tying into the YouTube content ID
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system is like now it's now there's even
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this absurd lengths of people making
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money just straight off the work of
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channels like I hate everything with
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false claims it looks like this not even
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not even uploading anything right there
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just able to literally steal the money
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from a channel by putting it in
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a Content claim and you know me Brady I
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don't like to use the word stealing
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frivolously but I I make a lot of the
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stuff with this content ID system is
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like know that is stealing like that is
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money that was as close to that person's
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pocket as it could possibly be before
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you die verted it into your own pocket
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with this false claim for which youtube
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will will never punish you
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your stealer do you know who we
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sometimes sound like and I am aware of
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no we sound like the music record
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companies did 5-10 years ago when things
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like Napster and all this stuff started
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and I didn't feel piles and piles of
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sympathy for them like I saw what was
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happening was wrong but I didn't think
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you poor record companies i thought well
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you know you make money anyway and okay
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this is unfortunate but it sort of just
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to think and that's exactly what we
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sound like now don't you think so yeah I
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i agree with you right there is a
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certain sense of which we sound like the
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record companies right part of what i
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think was the record company's problems
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was their refusal to acknowledge how
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things were in the world and that was
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why I had like no sympathy for them and
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this is the thing that I try to be aware
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that's why I like for example I'm like I
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want to set up content ID because it
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felt like okay the way I was doing
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things is just totally unsustainable and
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the other thing is is as we discussed
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before like this is partly why I feel
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like I'm just kind of giving in to
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facebook at this point a little bit
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rapidly because like okay well if my
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videos are going to be all over facebook
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anyway they might as well be my videos
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right i might as well post them on
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Facebook isn't that said that you did
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that before they found a way to reward
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you for enriching their side isn't that
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sad that they won the battle that way
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yeah it I mean it really is but it's
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also partly why like I have tried to
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change my business over time to adapt to
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that pulling aside the curtain for a
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little while part of this whole like
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recognizing things are getting free
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booted everywhere thing is one of the
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big decisions about why I finally I'm so
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late to this party but i finally said
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like okay I am going to put
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it embedded ads at the end of my videos
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like I must have been one of the last
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big channels on this train but i decided
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to do it in no small part because I was
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already thinking like okay well facebook
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i won't be able to earn any money from
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advertising on Facebook because they
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don't have any kind of revenue sharing
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plan so the only way that I can make
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money if i'm still posting my videos on
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facebook as if there is an embedded add
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in there and then i can count those
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views as part of how i sell the
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advertising to who has ever sponsoring
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those videos like this is this is what
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I've been trying to change my business
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very slowly to adapt to this new
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situation it's like I don't want to put
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my videos on facebook but i also just
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can't can't stand like it like a a rigid
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statue and refuse to bend or recognize
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the changing environment around me
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because that way lies doom and so if in
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the future that means like oh ok well i
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upload videos on facebook and i have
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embedded ads in them
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this is just the next step of how of how
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this business is going to work
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are you going to post your videos on
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facebook tonight I guess you need to set
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up a whole bunch of facebook pages i
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already have Facebook pages for all
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those projects i guess this is a good
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time to tell the people follow us on
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facebook and i feel so gross saying that
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but seriously do follow us on Facebook
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does that now this is that the like the
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arm rest of my chair but actually
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somehow there's something always
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something there is a sense it happens
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that no matter where you are
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he was something in your environment
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that you can fiddle with that I'm going
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to have to cut out later
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everywhere we go I was born to fidget
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