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H.I. #56: Guns, Germs, and Steel

 

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00:00:01   from you are partially cushions man look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   at you you look like a millionaire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   I because i'm drinking water and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6">TS</a>]

00:00:08   overwatch collapse yeah this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/8">TS</a>]

00:00:12   millionaires do baby they drink water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   out of wine glasses in my look at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   with my twenty percent bigger Pepsi's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   ready to get you said impatiently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/18">TS</a>]

00:00:21   haven't even started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/21">TS</a>]

00:00:22   it's all in your mind Brady I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   nothing but an infinite well of patience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/25">TS</a>]

00:00:29   for you my friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/29">TS</a>]

00:00:30   infinite well of patients you are quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   patient guy I'll give you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/33">TS</a>]

00:00:34   yeah for you and you know I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   think you have more patient person than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   me in general you have to be gentle with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   me today because I have been very sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:42   for the last week and a half stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   what someone appropriate because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   we're going to be talking about plagues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   and boxes later on i am very full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/48">TS</a>]

00:00:51   plague in boxes today this this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   give you some ideas to the gravity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   how sick of bein little I went to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   doctor say this only means something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   because i know you and I know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   seem to have some sort of stubbornness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   about going to the doctor when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   sick which I don't understand its code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   being a man is it called being a man or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   is it called being dumped I go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   doctor when i'm sick if I think I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   to go to the doctor I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   this reluctance to go to the doctor this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18   is the nub there you set up when I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   to go to the doctor when does one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   need to go to the doctor this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   million-dollar question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   ok what is your level then for you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/87">TS</a>]

00:01:31   to go to the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/91">TS</a>]

00:01:32   close to death okay see that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/92">TS</a>]

00:01:35   cutting it too close braiding I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   ninety-nine percent of the time when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/98">TS</a>]

00:01:39   go to the doctor they just say our go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   away and come back in a week if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   still sick and I and that happens to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   all the time and then I go away for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   weekend in a week or so I get better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   so I never go back so i I just I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   going to the doctor because I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/112">TS</a>]

00:01:53   it's going to tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   ik yeah you're a bit sick but come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   in awake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   it drives me crazy yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   understand that because most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   you just have the some sort of normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   called like if I have what feels like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   normal cold i won't go to the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   but if it's much beyond normal cold or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   if it lasts longer than it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/131">TS</a>]

00:02:14   normal cold should then you go to the dr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   abdullah great you don't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/136">TS</a>]

00:02:17   doctor if you wake up and you go with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/137">TS</a>]

00:02:18   little stiffly today let me see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   doc has to say about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   yeah you don't need to have your marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   be near death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   yeah to to be the when do you need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/146">TS</a>]

00:02:29   to the doctor phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   how's this though I went to the GPA and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   I went into that went into the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   then she said okay what's wrong and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   had a few other little things you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/158">TS</a>]

00:02:39   ongoing things that I thought this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   chance to bring them up things i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   had gone to the doctor but I thought oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   you know kill a few birds with one stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   here right so i sat down and said I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   got a few things for you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/170">TS</a>]

00:02:51   and she said well you've got less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:54   10 minutes and I'm already running like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/174">TS</a>]

00:02:55   how's that for care what if I was dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   this is how triage works pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   depending on what you go in there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   they might decide that you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   escalated up to the next level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   yeah yeah you need you need to go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   doctor you never know what it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   know it might be you might think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   just have a regular flu but then you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   to the doctor and you find out oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/193">TS</a>]

00:03:14   might have you might have died from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   meningitis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17   that's the kind of scaremongering that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/197">TS</a>]

00:03:18   makes people go to the doctor too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   i'm not scare mongering this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   scaremongering and this is also this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   for the for the triage thing right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   have a quick meeting with the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/206">TS</a>]

00:03:27   they're just trying to determine always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   something more serious or less serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   and and it should be eighty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   the time that it's something less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   seriously than ninety percent the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/216">TS</a>]

00:03:37   that it's something less serious it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   would be quite remarkable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/219">TS</a>]

00:03:40   if everyone who went into the doctor had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   the most serious thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43   possibly could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/223">TS</a>]

00:03:44   the doctor is a filter and the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   majority of the time it should come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/227">TS</a>]

00:03:48   saying it's not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   you're fine but you're there to catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   the freak occurrences that could kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/234">TS</a>]

00:03:54   yeah this is good advice people follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   cries and vast variety is it is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   this is from someone who works in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   school I can and yeah had students died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   of meningitis like you think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   flu and is not spam dead so go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/245">TS</a>]

00:04:08   doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/248">TS</a>]

00:04:09   don't be a brady i really wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   antibiotics because basically I was told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/250">TS</a>]

00:04:13   to get antibiotics go to the doctor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   get antibiotics so that was my whole and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   they hate giving you they hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/257">TS</a>]

00:04:18   prescribing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   maybe you doing everything in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/260">TS</a>]

00:04:21   that's infuriating so you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   go to the doctor but when you do you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   the guy who's going to believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   doctor into giving you antibiotics you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   only take antibiotics at the dr things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   that you should you don't believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   doctor into this I basically said if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   don't give me antibiotics today I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   probably gonna get divorced and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   laughed and said I've never heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   one before and then prescribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   antibiotics i don't i don't want them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/280">TS</a>]

00:04:46   don't care i was just trying to grease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   the windows are you taking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   antibiotics then I am so you so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   don't even think you need them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   you're taking man and I i do your part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   of the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/296">TS</a>]

00:04:56   no I don't need them i do need them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   been sick for too long and and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   think the doctor would have given them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   to you if you hadn't turned on the Brady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   charm i would not say she was charmed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/307">TS</a>]

00:05:08   I think she gave them cuz she thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   needed them you know she looked at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   and lived in my throat and said I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   sick and I told her you know I told a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   story but another habit of my know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   will probably infuriate you is whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   I go to the doctor and get prescribed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   whatever I'm is needed i almost feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   like that's job done and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25   accomplished what needed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   accomplished and I quite often don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   like the actual process of been taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:29   all the medicine and doing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   things the doctor said it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   walking out of the dr being told yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   you're sick and this is what you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/335">TS</a>]

00:05:36   to do almost feels like the Cure like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   okay that's that's dealt with and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   actual sitting there and taking all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   those pills for a week and a half his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/342">TS</a>]

00:05:43   idea of a grind and i usually get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   airport but I can also understand a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   little bit that feeling because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   been like if you bring your car into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   auto shop when you pick up your car like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   a great everything's done but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   prescribe you a course of activity to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   with your car over the course of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   weeks exactly i can understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   feeling like haven't I been serviced so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   that I have now fixed isn't this what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   this exactly but that's not what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   you have to take the pills and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   numbers of people who follow through on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/372">TS</a>]

00:06:15   taking their antibiotics course through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   to the end is always appallingly low is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/377">TS</a>]

00:06:20   a this is a common problem is a non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   compliance rates for medication taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/382">TS</a>]

00:06:25   our justice down dingley hi it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   miracle they get anything done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/388">TS</a>]

00:06:29   these these trucks but you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   finish your course of antibiotics Brady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34   should do i need to pester you about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/394">TS</a>]

00:06:35   I'll Phoenician I'm glad it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   anything major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:38   and you found out that it doesn't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   you up at night wondering if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   going to die of a exotic disease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   thank you thank you for caring i do care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   ready you do whenever I'm sick you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   get a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   mumsy that is slanderous that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   slanderous sir you're very mothering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   when i'm sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/416">TS</a>]

00:06:57   well I don't want to put any strain on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   you that would cause you to be ill for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   further amount of time my wife is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   currently at home from work from exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/422">TS</a>]

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00:07:06   work when she wasn't fully well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/426">TS</a>]

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00:07:10   stay home until you're better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/430">TS</a>]

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00:07:13   no no we don't have to do the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/433">TS</a>]

00:07:14   until you're better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/434">TS</a>]

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00:07:18   course you like to say hard as nails and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   you just want to soldier on through no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:23   matter what have we got any follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   from the last episode I came it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   the last episode was it a good episode i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   remember i think what we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   was whatever we talked about on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   previous buy gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/452">TS</a>]

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00:07:36   of substance then now what we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   dive into is you apparently have another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/458">TS</a>]

00:07:41   breathtaking installment of corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/461">TS</a>]

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00:07:46   well i'm going to blame me for this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/466">TS</a>]

00:07:49   we have delayed corporate a compensation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/469">TS</a>]

00:07:52   corner for so long now that I've built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   up so much possible material a half that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   I don't really know where the staff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   can't imagine why anyone would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/480">TS</a>]

00:08:01   delay delay corporate compensation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/481">TS</a>]

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00:08:06   put out flash podcast whenever what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/486">TS</a>]

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00:08:09   straight to press I'll tell you the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/489">TS</a>]

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00:08:12   points here i'll tell you the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/492">TS</a>]

00:08:13   that's drawing my attention straightaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   corporate compensation corner massage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/497">TS</a>]

00:08:18   ok was awhile ago now but we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21   little holiday down in down Devon way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   I'm staying a nice place and it was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   of these come and we went to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/507">TS</a>]

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00:08:31   places that we quite like I into as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   couple and you have nice food and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   they you know you see in a jacuzzi and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   stuff out there and then you have to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   your numbers on your eyes breeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   cucumbers and that kind of thing and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   went we went for the we went for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   sort of new agey type massage thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48   it was really funny because one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   things where they like you know you do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   questionnaire and they decide what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   energies air and what all these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55   things and and it's like it seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/535">TS</a>]

00:08:58   load of rubbish what I filled out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   questionnaire and then i sat down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   my message one minute she said okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/540">TS</a>]

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00:09:05   know about you and she and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/545">TS</a>]

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00:09:07   things about me like about how I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   and how i live and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   yeah that is like very specific things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   or just you know broadly applicable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/554">TS</a>]

00:09:17   your work in the chair a lot of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   to find yourself sitting down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   who ya sitting down a lot she wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25   claiming to be a psychic that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   like she was saying you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27   gonna be a total stranger and stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   didn't say she was claiming it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   seem impressed and I'm imagining that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   she was just saying things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33   broadly applicable to the group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   people who are likely to get a massage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/576">TS</a>]

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00:09:43   be a little bit ever dad message because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   it was all about like pouring oil on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46   your forward and all this sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/586">TS</a>]

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00:09:50   just want my back rub my legs rubbed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   make all those knots car away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53   sitting at my computer all day but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/593">TS</a>]

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00:09:58   portal this oil all over your face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   your hair and stuff like that i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/600">TS</a>]

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00:10:07   end of the message the fire alarm went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   no haha and we had to be evacuated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:15   it was freezing freezing cold and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/615">TS</a>]

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00:10:23   in my eyes and all through my hair just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/623">TS</a>]

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00:10:31   piggy I've got out haha i've got a robot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34   and we all get taken outside onto this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   freezing cold deck everyone staying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   the place like a hundred people and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   hairs all over the place because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/642">TS</a>]

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00:14:59   book called guns germs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/899">TS</a>]

00:15:03   steel it's a book that i think is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   interesting book but there's also a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   of arguments that take place around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   book and in some ways almost think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   meta argument about it is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   interesting than the actual book itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/915">TS</a>]

00:15:16   what's the spoiler situation here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   it's just one of these things where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/918">TS</a>]

00:15:19   people should pause the podcast and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   the whole book now or because sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   people do that are we gonna be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/923">TS</a>]

00:15:24   spoiler tastic is this is just one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   those cases or do you think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/927">TS</a>]

00:15:28   should keep listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/928">TS</a>]

00:15:29   well my thought is this is a bit like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   world war two situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   Brian there be spoilers i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   there can really be spoilers for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/935">TS</a>]

00:15:39   nonfiction situation ya like it which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/939">TS</a>]

00:15:43   essentially kind of a history book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   and if we get to the second topic we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46   will discuss the possibility of spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   in a nonfiction situation but it but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/948">TS</a>]

00:15:49   general I think a book that is about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   topic can't be like us a spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/952">TS</a>]

00:15:55   yeah okay so what is if someone wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/955">TS</a>]

00:15:58   stop and go read Guns Germs and Steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   now you can pause the podcast if you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   like is a long book and it is a I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06   at times overly detailed book but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/966">TS</a>]

00:16:11   know you go you go for man if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   want to but we'll talk about it we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   talk about what's in the book now so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   think if you haven't read it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/976">TS</a>]

00:16:17   still enjoy the conversation because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   will try to sum it up as we go along a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   little bit i agree with that i create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   this shouldn't you should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   spoiling where it i'm listening to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   unabridged version and looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   scroll by here it looks like i am nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/989">TS</a>]

00:16:32   halfway through I'm not qualified to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   talk about as a whole but I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   a pharaoh chunk of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   so how have you been finding it reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   this is not the harrowing experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   that getting things done was where i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   actually went so far as to get my money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   back for this one because that was held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   that was that was how much I felt what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52   my dislike for that book and the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   was written this has not been the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56   and I would go so far as to say I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59   it quite interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00   mmm i think the guy reading the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   not the author does a very good job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:08   I think some of the topics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:09   interesting but I but it is not without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:12   criticism there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   if i have to say i have never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   someone say the terms hunter-gatherer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   and food production so many times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:24   such a short space of time like to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   point where I'm like say how together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   one more time say hun together one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   time guys dare you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   yeah because it does get it does get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:37   very repetitive at times and it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   wish that maybe the author could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   expanded his vocabulary just for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   sake of variety because it does get very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47   repetitive times I before I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:53   the content because I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:54   you really want to talk about but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   more about the actual book itself just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:57   to share for warn people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   it was it's very least tastic it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:03   this and there always seems to be lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:04   within lists like he'll say so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   probably wondering you know why cows eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   grass where there are seven reasons for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:11   let me tell you the number one number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:14   two number three number four number five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   Number six number seven and as I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   talk about later in chapter 34 there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21   another nine reasons that they eat green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:24   grass and while i will go into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   later let me tell you those nine reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   and that said these things to be lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   breaking out of lists and there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   of a lot of that going on which I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   see really appealing to you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   because you know we all know you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   like lists and at times you do find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   yourself thinking oh my goodness I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   cannot believe I'm listening just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   much talk about we crops flex and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:49   pulses are high in protein [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   don't nobody know exactly what a pulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   is I can kind of guess but and so at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1134">TS</a>]

00:19:00   times you have it seems like on my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   that he's talking about the most boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   things ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:05   mhm but I think despite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:09   repetitiveness in the list is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   quite well written it'sit's kept a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   layman's level which i think is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   quite easy because it's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   pretty basic stuff like you know herding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   cows and sailing to other countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   right I can see why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:26   think that would appeal to you by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   way I know that you have criticisms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:29   the writing of the books i'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   you think it's a masterpiece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:32   literature but i can see why it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   appeal to you because I mean I I joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   around about getting things done and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   it's like you know productivity porn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:43   I think you're quite you know you love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   organization and productivity and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   so getting things done with a purity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   in some ways the whole thing about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   book i called up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   I call that productivity mega porn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   because this isn't just about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   being productive this is about like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   productivity and organization of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   the whole planet so i can just say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   guys are making this is an amazing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:06   can't believe it they're not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   talking about organizing a workday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   they're talking about how whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   populations are organized and why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   world's so for you i can see why this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:15   like right in the sweet spot em yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:19   next time you tell me you think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   funny that I can sit and watch a game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:22   darts I will pull out this block and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   let me talk to you a little bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   flax and pulses i think that is grossly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:33   unfair comparison everyone's interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   everyone's interested in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:37   things so anyway so so as a as a read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:41   is it out as as a book it is sometimes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   book what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:44   well this is like this is pretty amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   and pretty tedious and then but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:50   it is well written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   despite the repetitiveness and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   is very it's very approachable land and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:58   it's very well argued it's it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   like a conversation with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   we're even when sometimes you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   you're wrong because your arguments are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   so well thought out and I've been sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   of pre-planned like they're very they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:12   very well fortress and your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   arguments are very with like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15   answers to most questions and like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   when I think you're wrong you're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:19   hard to argue because you're so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   prepared for the battle and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   this book is like even though i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   some of the things that are wrong it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   very strategically well done and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   becomes hard to to say exactly why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   think it's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   yeah he's a bit overly prepared that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   point they get I think it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   interesting book by no means bye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   no means do I think that everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   it is right but he definitely comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   the table with a bunch of stuff and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   think it's later in the book but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   section that always stuck with me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   there is a point at which he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   through every example of how human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56   writing has ever come into existence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   like every society that has ever come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   with writing and I remember the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:01   time I read the book like I believe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   man like i have just giving up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   okay like I believe your theory about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:07   human writing please don't make me read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:10   one more like I've read enough about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   knots vs cuneiform vs writing verses you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:17   know when does it come up on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   when is it distributed through other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   people like I just let me just move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   to the next thing I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   probably an advantage of an audio book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24   isn't it because sometimes when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   there on the page and you can see what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   coming and you see what's gone before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   those sections can seem quite tedious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   but when you're listening and you sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:33   of forgotten what he's already said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   you don't know what he's going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37   you can be in the middle of one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   kind of patches of quicksand and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   know it until it's too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:43   it will stay in some ways an audiobook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   kind of spares you the the worst of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   because you can't just live ur rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   than see it coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   so in closing before we talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:55   i I don't know finisher but I feel quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:59   comfortable recommending it like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   like i would say if this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   you're interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04   go ahead and did win the Pulitzer Prize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   didn't as well so it's not like I'm it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:08   not like we've pulled one out of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:09   field here for people this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:10   reading books bit of a big deal i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   been fascinated for years about the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:17   of meta argument that takes place on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:20   internet about this book and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   talking on this message before a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:23   bit and I said that like this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:27   book that launched a thousand arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   at like a thousand argument threads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   across the internet like it people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:32   argue about this book all the time in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35   way that I find very interesting so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   here's here's what i would say is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   like the thumbnail overview of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   argument in in Guns Germs and Steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   because germs and steel is arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   vastly over simplifying all of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   society and now i am going to vastly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   over simplify the very argument itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   the book is setting out to answer how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1435">TS</a>]

00:24:01   it that Europeans ended up conquering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   the whole world and Europeans ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   with all of the stuff that allowed them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   to conquer the whole world i like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   why did the europeans have ships why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   the europeans have guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   why did they have all of this technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   and then why were they the ones who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   able to spread all over the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   like why is it that when the Europeans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   arrived in north america that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30   weren't faced with American Indians at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   the same level of technological progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   ships didn't meet in the Atlantic where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:40   we're human societies had had developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   at the same rates and it right they bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   into each other in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:46   Atlantic oh my oh my how are you how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:49   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:49   it doesn't that's not the way it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   down like the guy who believes in a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   alternative universe and there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:54   rocket to fly there and then when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   doesn't he crashes into a rocket coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   the other way her friends yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   that's not the way human society then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   there's nothing human society were yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   uh he could have just written chapter 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   because someone had to be first the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:10   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11   what's that like that is a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   legitimate answer cracking it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:17   know of course someone's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:18   first how could someone not be first it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   would be quite remarkable if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   wasn't first if everybody was exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   yeah and i like that that would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   would be astounding which we can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   then relate this the same conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   two space-faring civilisation is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34   maybe it's like it's like the star trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   universe of where everybody every alien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   race is about the same level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   technology like that is shockingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   unlikely that someone has to be way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   ahead of somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   yeah so what he lays out in the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   he's he is talking about the starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:51   point of like 10,000 BC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   when roughly speaking humans had spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   to everywhere they were going to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   the face of the earth and they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   at roughly the same level of technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:05   of basic stone tools and then says okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:10   his argument is fundamentally that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:14   you have people everywhere some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   environments are more beneficial to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:21   human thriving than others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   huh some places are just going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   better for people to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   I mean I have this guy jared diamond and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   i have two nicknames for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   mr. hindsight and mr. obvious and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:36   think that first argument is he wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   his mr. obvious hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   mmm yeah well see like when I read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:43   book it's gonna sound dumb but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:47   know I went through history classes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   high school and it was remarkable to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   that there was no overarching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:57   description of things like history class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   was like this big long list of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:00   that happened and one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:03   you can't help but notice is like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   the UK is just dominating in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   history game they have empires right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   it's like the UK and then is the Dutch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   and the French like this this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   cluster of places has taken over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   absolutely everywhere and I'm not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:19   really sure that when I was younger like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   it occurred to me to wonder like why was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   this the case like I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   some ways when you just grow up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   through history class or you grow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   learning about anything you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:31   sometimes don't think to ask questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   at all it's just like oh of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   Europe took over the world because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   that's what they taught me in school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   like it never even occurred to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   think that something else could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:44   been possible but Jared Diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   supposedly the alternate question why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   isn't it that Africa conquered the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:52   world and brought European slaves to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   new world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:56   okay yeah that's an interesting question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:57   like what why didn't that occur or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   example the thing that my video was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00   focusing on which was the question that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   really struck me which an obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   question never asked which is why didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:08   they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:08   Europeans get sick from Native American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:11   diseases if the Native Americans got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   sick from European diseases i get just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   never occurred to me as a kid to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   that because you're always told the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   story in the context of like and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   Europeans came and the Native Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   got sick from their diseases like and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   keep moving along and you just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   think to to ask these questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   that's why the book kind of struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:32   when I was a bit younger was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   didn't think to ask these questions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   so the bot the bottom line of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   argument is just some places are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40   beneficial to human societies and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:45   once you start down the road of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:51   more food and settling down and building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54   cities that this process is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:58   self-sustaining self-feeding process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   that your city's get bigger you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   higher population density you can then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   develop more technology if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   citizens who are free from the burden of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11   producing food and this just spirals up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:15   and spirals up and spirals up and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   that a relatively even just a relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:21   minor advantage in the beginning can end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   up becoming something that makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   difference of like two centuries worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   of technological process progress by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   time societies meet you think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   fair from what you've read so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:34   yeah i tell you i think yeah basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   saying little bit of luck it'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   fairy dust and lucky star and you win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:42   the example I often like to use is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   as though the earth is a very unfairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:49   designed board game and your starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:53   position gives you more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   advantage and like Australia is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1796">TS</a>]

00:30:00   worst place in the world to start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03   Eurasia is probably the best place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:06   the world to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   that's what books trying to say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   well I mean you just set in five few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   sentences but anyway yeah it wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:15   a book otherwise i guess it wouldn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   wouldn't be a book otherwise but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   why I think like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   statement ends up becoming like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:25   remarkably controversial thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:29   these huge arguments over Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   Steel for what I agree with you as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   think in many ways to me seems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:36   retrospect like a fairly obvious kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:41   argument that just never occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   when I was younger like of course some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   places are better for humans to thrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   and others like that like that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50   europeans ended up taking over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   Europe was easy i get i guess one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56   things that comes across in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   that I hadn't thought about quite so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   much was if if you told me that the star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:03   like you know that the the dice are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06   loaded all the board was ring I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   okay um you know this obviously whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:12   it's obvious you know obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   climate you know what your climate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   like is pretty important as someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   lives in England and sees all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19   rolling green hills 24 days 365 days a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:24   year whatever and and then when i'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27   Australia is a barren desert right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   look I look into KY k well you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   head start here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   the thing I guess I hadn't thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   quite so much was how loaded dice were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:38   when it comes to animals that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   strongest thing I've seen in the book so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:42   far as he say the best natural resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:45   advantage that the generations had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   they got lucky with animals and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   else got unlucky with animals right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   that to me is probably one of the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   features of the book is is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   happens you can see how others but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   there's nice places everywhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   world I think it's not like Europe is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   just uniformly perfect for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   everyone's got gold and everyone's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:06   oil and some people have diamonds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   some people have this some people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10   that but he's basically saying animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13   and plants is where it was at and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:17   Europe got lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:18   yeah he runs through the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   make plant species and animal species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   susceptible to human use in order to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:29   domesticated animals have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   bunch of characteristics which when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   this is where your lists and lists you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   know begins because he could he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   through all of this stuff with plants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37   and animals again I think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   interesting to go through all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   details it's far too much to go into for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   this podcast but I mean just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   basically like you don't don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   think about it but for domesticated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   animals you need a couple things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   broadly speaking you need animals that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   are big enough to be useful and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   if you domesticate chinchillas they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:57   not going to be pulling plows for you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   a farm right you need a big animal you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   need animals that are big but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   animals that are not unpredictable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06   violence which is what is the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   problem for Africa like Africa has times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   of big animals all of them are horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   to work with and I like hippos her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   terrific leave violent way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   dangerous than you think they are or he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   runs through all the examples about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23   zebras vs horses they look the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:28   zebras are bastards right and horses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:31   great to work with because they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   bunch of inbuilt characteristics I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   haven't I haven't got to this yet gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   because the point you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:38   obviously you've got all these nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   animals in places like Africa or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   paucity of animals in other places and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:46   then Europe's call you know you do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:47   cows and shape and are you treating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   animals so I get the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   does he get messy later on in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   explain why Africa is full of badass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:58   animals and Europe's full of ghosts our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   dummies or is that just luck at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   point in the book he talks about and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   think this is really interesting is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   if you go back lots of continents used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   to actually have many more large docile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:15   animals and there's some really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   funny examples from australia with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   these mega marsupials yea big large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:22   mammals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:23   yeah and North America had the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   same thing i like big large mammals but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   that when basically because humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:31   developed their hunting skills like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   they went along humans arrived in north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   and australia and the rest of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   like with really great hunting skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   already right so we're able to out hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:45   a lot of the local population and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:48   like when when they arrived there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   like okay great animals that have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   ever seen humans that have no reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   avoid humans collide with a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   immigration of into North America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   hunters with big pointy Spears which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   why africa so full of badass animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   because bright ideas and assets could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:07   see could survive we're trying big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   started here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   yes and so he goes through that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   basically around 10,000 BC there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   huge number of megafauna extinctions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:18   everywhere that humans have just arrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   for the with the exclusion of right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   eurasia and africa because humans were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   already there and animals have gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   used to them to some extent yeah so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   that's the idea of arguments like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:30   not even entirely luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:33   it's it's that humans caused this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   situation to be the case but even if so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   here's one of these things like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   love to argue with all the details in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   Guns Germs and Steel like did humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   cause the megafauna extinction or did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   humans not cause the megaphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:47   extinction to me that's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   relevant like let's let's say that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   part of the argument turns out to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   false like people find out Omega Pharma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   extinction didn't happen because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:57   humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:58   yeah okay well it doesn't matter because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   you should still expect that somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   on earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   they're going to happen to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   plants and animals that are useful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   humans than somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   how could how could it be otherwise if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   you have a sum like a semi-random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   distribution of useful animals across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:18   yeah but when that applies to this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   book crime in this whole book is based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   on digging down into something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   probably don't need to dig down into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   anymore but he does for the intellectual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   exercise over so you can't just say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   like saying the British Empire was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   because they had booked boats why did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   have good boats are modern because i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   good word for example why did they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:39   good wood because they had a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   climber why do they have a good climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   and I will stop there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:44   well now look at what point do you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   why you got a good climate are because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   you further north wires further north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:49   but at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   at what point do you stop asking what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:54   it's like a little kid that just has why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:56   to every single Indian tell them that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:57   what this book is like this was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   attitude to history is like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   the Europeans you know dominated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   world why because they invaded the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:07   why because they went because I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   to and I wanted more land and wealth why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   when they got there why do they why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   what'd you just keep asking why and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   he keeps answering while the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   eventually he's going to come unstuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   isn't it right eventually going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   to a point that has to just be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   assumption about the world yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   which is we assume that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   animals some of which are more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   useful to humans like well like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   a ground to start assumption and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:37   can also assume that the distribution of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   these things is not going to be equal it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:41   would be shockingly unlikely for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:44   be equal and so that means some place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   has to be better for humans than some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   other place like noticed by definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:50   and still do you always have to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   some kind of fundamental little moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:56   I mean going through a bit of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   I've encountered I think sometimes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   guilty of simplifying things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:02   think are very very complicated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   other times I think it's guilty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   complicating things that I think are far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:07   more simple i agree but as someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11   knows has read the whole book for a star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   and also has followed some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   arguments around em what asked what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18   the big bones of contention not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   minutiae like you know I disagree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   that was how we eat was domesticated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   whatever one of the big controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   topics here one of the one of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   things here is where I need to like show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   my hand a little bit about some some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   my thoughts the way were you Brady you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   want me to look at let me let people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:38   know what I think about a movie before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   we start talking about it yeah so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   i agree with you there are many faults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43   with the book and the reason we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   talking about it now is because i made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:50   this America box video recently because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   i took a a section of that of Guns Germs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   and Steel the section about why didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   the Europeans get sick from Native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   American diseases and I made a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   video about it because I think that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   art and also this is I have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   limited repertoire of questions to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   people at dinner parties to try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   interesting conversations going and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   is one of these little questions that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   like to bring up and I find almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   universally that the person i'm sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   across from has the same reaction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   idea of-of oh you know I never thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   about that why didn't the Europeans get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   sick so I took that little section and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:29   made the video about it and its people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:33   have been sending me all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34   about like oh it's a real shame that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   didn't know about the criticisms of Guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   Germs and Steel before you made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   video but the thing is i had read all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:45   those criticisms there is on read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   like a series of very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   articles where someone goes through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   book chapter by chapter i can point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   all of what they view as like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:56   contradictions or the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   diamond says that are clear that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   person says are unclear and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   through it step by step by step by step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:03   and i had read all of those things and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:07   also agree with most of the criticisms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   look like I'm not going to argue with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   professional historian when they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   like oh x historical event occurred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:16   jared diamond like skimmed over it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   help i'll take them at their word for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   that like your professional historian I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   have no reason to disagree with you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   the thing that I find interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   valuable in Guns Germs and Steel that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   almost never see the critics argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:35   against is the theory that the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:39   presents the Guns Germs and Steel to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:43   gives a very simple but very basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:47   theory of history it's a theory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:51   only operates on very long time scales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   and over continent-sized human divisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:59   but it is still nonetheless a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   because i think it it makes if not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   testable prediction it it makes a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:09   question that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:10   you can ask about the world where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13   can say look if we were to rewind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   clock and play history again what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:20   you expect would happen and the Guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   Germs and Steel answer is that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   you're Asia the whole of Eurasia is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:28   susceptible to human technological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:29   flourishing let's say you should expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   eighty percent of the time that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:35   first to colonial technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:39   happens in your asia right and maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   know ten percent of the time it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   in Africa and then like five percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:48   the hop time it happens in north america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   and like one percent of the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   happens in Australia but not not that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:55   could never happen but it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   extraordinary unlikely and so that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:02   is the interesting thing is this theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   of history and so in many ways like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:09   can i agree with tons of the criticism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12   about the particulars in the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   tons of the the details that jared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17   diamond gets wrong because jared diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   is not a professional historian he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22   archived should look it up before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:23   started using the college just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   blurt expert at one point wasn't using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   to build yeah he's he's worked in papua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30   new guinea and yeah he's cataloging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   birds f for the thing it's that personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:36   criticism that irritates me about Jared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   Diamond it seems to just totally loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   Papa New Guinea like out of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   proportion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   yes to what you would expect for any any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   impartial out of ivory is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   important place in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   yeah is it and it irritates me I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   highlighted in the beginning of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   even goes for like a little tangent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:55   about how like let me explain to you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   papua new guineans are more intelligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   than average human being is like oh come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   on man like one of the fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:04   theses of your book is that human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   intelligence is not different everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   but you're still going to take a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   a little side moment about how Papa New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   Guinea is like an exception to the rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   okay whatever yeah but so that that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:17   me is is the value of this book and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   I think that is very interesting but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:22   this then trips in historians into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:27   idea that like you cannot say geography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:31   is destiny like historians are very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:37   very strongly against this idea for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:41   reasons that I i find difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   understand and every time I get into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   argument or icy arguments that take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   place over the book what usually happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   is just just as so many of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   like different sides are arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   different things like I want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   conversation about what is the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01   state of the theory of history like has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:05   much progress been made about the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   of history but then historian wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:10   argue with me about why was it Spain who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:14   was the first to Mesoamerica and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   and why did spain lose their lead to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:20   united kingdom and my view is always ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:22   but that's too small like you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   with we want to talk about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   continent levels here not not particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   cut like this is not meant to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   why a particular country came about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:35   it's only here to give you an estimation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   of what is the likelihood that people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   a particular continent will be the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:44   to colonize the world that that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   view of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:47   you know I just can't help thinking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50   I thought the social time as well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   been listening to the book and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   even more now listening to you talk like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:55   how is this different from two guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:59   the bar talking about sports like it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:04   sounds like two guys arguing over y1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   football team is better than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   if we play the super bowl again with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   team win this time did it all come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   to that one play and mistake or was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   team always destined to win because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   had these players and it sounds like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   sounds like sport like and if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:23   to rake over and and great over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26   ashes of history and talk about why did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   these people win and why those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   invade that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   I know you can use this argument about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   how we learn lessons for the future but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   i don't think there's a lot to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:36   learned for the future about this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   of stuff anymore i think we've moved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   from it just seems like it seems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:44   arguing about sport and I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   problem with that by the way because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   really love arguing about sport so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   finally found that history people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   sit there and argue over what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   spanish that went to Mesoamerica and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   have that sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   here's me going to try to reach and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   a sports metaphor or just click you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   correct me gently if I'm wrong here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   well i will talk about sports and a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   that i haven't read the whole thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   know about which is Moneyball yes I so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:11   my understanding is that money ball is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   the description of how statistics was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   first used with baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   yeah i'm not mistaken yes for selecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   the teams and thinking about the players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   not as individual people but as machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   with particular batting averages in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:26   particular situation right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   Moneyball was about being able to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   together an effective team in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   was surprising to existing coaches yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:38   and in some way like i always feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   argument with historians it is a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   like this where it's almost like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   so overblown because he hasn't done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   same thing but jared diamond is a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   like the money ball four continents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   right he's looking at the stats and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   like your ages and amazing continent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   doesn't mean you're asia is going to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   every time I guess like a 20 points and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:02   it gets 5 animal points and I get right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   but you can still score it and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:08   can i can very easily imagine an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   alternate universe where we are instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   living in a world where the Aborigines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   got lucky right and they and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   the first colonial technology and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   took over the whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   yeah anything that well they had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   Einstein character that just came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   nowhere and write that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   tremendous luck or actually what i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   is a great counter example is I mean man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   if you look at if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   numbers for the black death like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:36   think of as the plague this plague that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39   struck europe in the 1300 the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   Death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:43   this downing I guess the worst plague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   the the estimates are at a minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:49   thirty percent at a maximum sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   percent of the population died in Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   in the 1300 let's just say it was 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   percentage for the choice this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   conversation and it's amazing to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:02   Europe came back from that like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:05   hell of a setback to have half your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:08   population died and i can imagine a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:12   version of the world where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:13   okay let's take the black death but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   let's increase the virality ten percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   and the lethality ten percent and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:22   that like a plague like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23   something that's a random event and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   is not hard to imagine just by chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:28   there's an event that just knocks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   destin continent way back way back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:36   the same way that random events happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37   in sports I like some guy twist his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   ankle on the stairs walking into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   sports arena like you can just have bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   luck but so there could very easily be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   an alternate universe version of america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   or alternate universe version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   world where the Aborigines took over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   world and they're trying to write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   history book going like man it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   quite interesting that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:56   Aborigines to go over the world when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   Australia is terrible the thing that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   the thing I suspect that is in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   alternate world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:03   jared diamond would write up would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   a book in which seemed inevitable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   Australia Aborigines will have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   over the world like I think when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   using hindsight you can engineer almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:15   yeah i think in that world it would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   would also seemed inevitable the hot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   hindsight the hind side thing is a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   problem right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   this is this is always the issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:23   talking about stuff that happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:25   yeah but I would almost feel like you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   be much more willing to try to come to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30   conclusion like Aborigines must just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:33   smarter because they came ok overcame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   like tremendous tremendous terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:38   continent disadvantage right where is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41   one of the fundamental points that Jared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   I was trying to make a Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   Steel is look everybody is about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   same intelligence or close enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   like it doesn't matter right and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   rewind the clock and you take all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:53   Africans and you put them in north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   america and you take all the North [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:56   can you put them in Europe and you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   all the Orientals and you put them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   Africa like you should end up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   same probabilities anyway because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   the continent that is affecting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   outcome it's not the people like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   people aren't any different and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   totally back him on that end but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   mean that you can have situations where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:14   just the unexpected occurs because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:18   don't think he is he is arguing but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   see people like arguing against this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   version in their minds of conduct germs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   and steel that he is saying it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   inevitable that some civilization in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   Eurasia was the one that took over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:33   I don't think he makes that argument I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   think he just talked about it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   most likely one and we're living in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   most likely universe but it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   happened in a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:43   it's just extremely unlikely like Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:46   would have had to have the the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   Death be more lethal or happen at a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   more unfortunate point in their history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   like if the black to happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   fifteen hundreds the paper that argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   against her who don't like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:00   geography theory because obviously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   start of the book he makes a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   really big point about all humans at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   same black you know one races and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   smarter than the others etc etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   yeah people who argue against his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   geography theory to put it really simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:15   do they say no in fact it is the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:19   who were different or what do they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   the real reason is like what's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   alternative theory to the geography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:25   surely that I come out and say Europeans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   are naturally smarter all or do they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   that I don't know they don't write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   stories are not arguing against that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   this is this is where i find it the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:35   interesting and I i am trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:38   this as clear as they can in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   podcast because i was talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   thing is easier than trying to write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   out when you're just arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   someone on the internet i would really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:47   like in the reddit for someone to who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:52   thinks like a historian who thinks they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   can answer this question that Brady is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:58   asking that is my question as well which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   don't argue against the particulars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   about events the that Jared Diamond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:09   mentions in Guns Germs and Steel I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   a coherent alternate theory of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:18   that like that's that's what i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:21   looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:22   that's the argument that i want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   like what is the alternate theory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:25   history and what I have seen so far and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:29   then maybe I have not read widely enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   for I've been looking in the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32   places but on the rare occasions when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:35   see people having the argument on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   this level on the like let's not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:40   down in the weeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:41   let's not argue over the details because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   often they don't even matter they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:44   relevant not really interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   Mesoamerican Civil War and whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   not that was a factor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   conquistadors ability to conquer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   continent but I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:53   really relevant either way on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:57   big picture version because what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   normally see is people either saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   there is no theory of history that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   whole project is fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:09   ridiculous that you have to take history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   as it unfolds event by event by event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:16   and i am very sorry I'm forgetting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   is a technical name for this but saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   how like you have to look at the chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   of all things so like the example I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:27   often see is is saying like oh if a city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   is founded in a different location like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   that can then have a big effect on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   whether or not a country developed in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   particular way and then like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   affects whether or not the country is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   powerful which can affect the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   the world events and my view of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:45   like listen man that's is not a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   that's just listing everything that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:52   ever happened and that's what I see most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:55   of the time from professional historians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   like I don't doubt that they are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58   about the list of things but they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   want to present a list of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:04   that has ever happened in all of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   history and I think that that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   different from the notion of of a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   like an one of the important or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:14   one of the things about a theory is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   you don't expect it to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:19   perfectly work for absolutely everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:23   like I made a bad analogy when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   video first came out but I really said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   like I was thinking that Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   Steel was a bit like the general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   relativity of the history world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   I didn't mean that it's like as as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   of encompasses as a serious general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   relativity is what I was trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:42   out there is the idea that general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:46   relativity is a theory that works on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:50   big-scale icon on galaxy sighs things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:54   but if you try to use general relativity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   to describe very small things it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   doesn't work but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   the theory is wrong it's just applicable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   under certain circumstances sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:06   like Harry soda and now from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   foundation series a bit a bit i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:13   yeah I will I will totally grant that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   although i think that the Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   Steel like it that theory ends in 1492 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:20   right is as soon as civilizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:24   interact like it is all null and void [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:25   now it is you know it's kinda over but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:28   that that's that's what I feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   constantly trying to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   conversation with historians about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35   is your theory of history and they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   wanting to talk to me about the atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   it's like but i agree with you about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42   atoms like we're not we don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   disagree but i'm just i'm asking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   different question he could be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   problem with your question I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   if it is on up here's what could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   problem theory of relativity is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:56   going to change because of something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   Adam does is it like you know atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01   atoms are atoms and the theory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   relativity zyzz unbreakable you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   it's a big deal and it's it's the rose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:08   and everything has to follow those rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   yeah that's why was a terrible now dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   okay well don't let me get away from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   then I won't bring it up again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   let me ask you this about the theory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:17   history that's why it was a terrible one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   for me to pick let me offer an alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   one which might be better which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   Guns Germs and Steel is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   geocentric version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   universe it may be really wrong in very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   many ways but it also to me looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   isn't this is starting points like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   shouldn't we be continuing to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   the theory of history and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:37   necessarily be like I just garbage just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   throw it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40   here's what here's why maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   garbage is how susceptible is a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:46   of history to humans have helped how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:53   one person break the theory because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   one animal person can break the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   of relativity like if if you if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:00   you're strong reorder have an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:01   personality or do something brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   you're still not gonna change the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   of relativity right is the theory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   history so I mean we cut the we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:10   straight into foundation territory here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   and i won't give spoilers away but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   is what happens with psychohistory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:15   in in foundation isn't it like can can a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:19   person could one person break the theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:22   because so many humans live and die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   every day that if the theory of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:27   is so fragile that a brilliant person a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:31   brilliant Aborigine inventing a boat 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   years early in Australia or a brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   a brilliant person in North America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:40   cultivating a plant a thousand years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   earlier than expected could break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   whole system then the theory of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   probably isn't worth discussing very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:47   much because it's probably pretty likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   to get broken or is the theory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   history more robust than that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:56   an interesting question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   my thought is that it would be possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:02   maybe not for one person but for me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:07   was saying before a series of Lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:09   events to bring you the unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:12   outcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:13   well that's different of course a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   of Lucky event you know a comet landing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   on London a few hundred years ago would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   have changed his require lap so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   is a fragile or doesn't need a comet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   a series of amazing coincidences because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   of course it that is unlikely that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   would say it's much closer to the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   comet side of things like that that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   feeling of it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   look it doesn't matter how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:38   Einsteins in a row you get in Australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:41   you're like you're limited by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:42   resources of the world and the very fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:46   that you're being born into Australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   like is just limiting the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:52   express your intelligence anyway because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   like what are you gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   you're living a hunter-gatherer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   lifestyle in in this situation like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   going to be very hard for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   single-handedly developed agriculture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   and like move the rest of everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   along the start of this path like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   just shockingly shockingly difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   that you have to have incentives to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:16   put that are in the world like otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:20   you're you're going to stay as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   hunter-gatherer society you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   keep moving around because you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   mathematics you say like you had a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   maximum Jared Diamond does does mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   I forget exactly where but he mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   like 11 place in in Australia where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   is like more susceptible to development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:38   than others but like but it took it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   humans awhile to get there and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   time they got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:44   Europeans had already arrived so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   like that game was probably a delight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:47   yeah i think it was a delay i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:48   that's right yeah so there was a there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   was a mighty black stump that called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   people need to let me ask you this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   shaming that a theory of history is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   of valid and robust and worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   of valid and robust and worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   coming up with that's a fun thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:05   and it's intellectually stimulating and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:06   humans should do intellectually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   stimulating things but if it is created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:12   how is it useful is it useful to us is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:16   that practically useful to us until we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   reach a point where we start colonizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   other planets or we start getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   colonized by aliens and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   like if we can if we can crack the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   and correct the theory and we feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:28   absolutely confidence right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   surely this is just useless now anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:34   or is it practically useful to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35   information it's almost impossible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:38   me to imagine a situation that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:39   useful like I think this is purely an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:42   intellectual exercise right which might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   be part of the reason why the fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   over it is just so enormous right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50   the know that old that Old Crow like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   forget the details of its like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   fighting is furious when the the rewards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   are small and having this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   that kind of thing I don't think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   an application of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   yeah I just I get frustrated when in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:09   view someone I don't even want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12   nitpicking because that that is demoting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   the work that people have done too i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   think quite correctly criticized Guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   Germs and Steel across many axes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21   it is undoubtable that you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23   through a chapter-by-chapter and and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   like oh this wasn't quite sure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:26   wasn't quite right but it still seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   me just to be to be missing the argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   i will just let me let me just mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   the biggest example where this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:34   comes across is like a criticism about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   whether or not diseases came from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:41   domesticated animals like this so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:44   is this is the thing i was mentioning my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   video yeah and without a doubt there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:49   a huge amount of uncertainty about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   origin of many diseases and people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:55   quite rightly point out like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   difficult to say where a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:58   European plagues originated from did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   they come from domesticated animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   maybe maybe not like it seems like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   know that the cow was a pretty bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:08   animal to have around like some diseases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   came from it but did all of the plagues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:11   come from domesticated animals i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:14   know i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:15   so you can go through in and poke holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:18   in that but my view on it it with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   the stuff is like okay but even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   that's wrong even if it didn't come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   domesticated animals nobody disagrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   that you still can't have plagues if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   don't have a big enough population like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   it doesn't even matter if that part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:31   the book is wrong and so I always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   like focus focus on the value to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   extracted from this like I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   is something very interesting in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:39   book but i also think that it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:42   infuriating too many historians in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:46   that I find interesting and i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   confess I have to confess that I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:53   shouldn't have done it Brady but I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   kind of like intentionally poke the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58   historians a bit in in my video because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:01   i knew i knew who they were going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04   some people watching the America box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:05   video who were like slowly having their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/3785">TS</a>]

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01:11:40   spoken about yet em and I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:43   you know the results em the New Zealand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:46   flag referendum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   oh yeah so this sort of happened around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   the time I I disappeared from twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4312">TS</a>]

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01:11:56   enough that whatever the thing was die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4316">TS</a>]

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01:12:00   results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:01   how well would you like to be informed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   you know why don't you inform me if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4322">TS</a>]

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01:12:10   it to just to remind people listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12   there were five they're supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:15   four but there were five candidates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:18   all went head-to-head in New Zealand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:20   right and whichever one of these winds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   now goes off to later this year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:26   superbowl where it goes against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   existing user and flag so this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   yet a new New Zealand flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   what this is is the decider of who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:35   going to be the contender right to go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:37   against the Old Faithful great so we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   five it was supposed to be four but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:42   we all know red peak not included at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   last minute right because New Zealand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:46   and now to the world that they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   negotiate with terrorists space again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   that's what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:51   so we had read bake we had the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:54   psychedelic spirally kaoru design that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   gray favors we had a pretty lame attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:03   at a silver fern right which was the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:06   which was the closest to what I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   should have been so that's kind of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:09   favorite one even though I admit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   wasn't that great but which was all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:13   worst because it fell into the uncanny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:14   valley of what the black and silver fern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:18   should look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:19   close but not there and so way worse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:22   my mind and then we had bizarrely these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:25   two other flags that were sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   hybrid of a phone and the existing New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   Zealand flag and the only difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:32   between them was a very slight change to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   the cannot slight change a change to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:37   color palette in the top left corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:38   right so those I thought of as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40   committee design flag yeah let's have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   fern let's have the star pattern and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46   let's give people an option over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:48   colors those are the committee options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   exactly so gray first of all I'm before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   I tell you that the numbers and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   voting went I think you need to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   winner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:57   ok so let's let's find out well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:00   everyone in the world knows except me i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   think we probably gonna get nothin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:04   yeah because of my weird semi cloistered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:08   life huh i am not surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:14   so the winner is the committee designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:17   flag with the black corner not the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:21   corner so of those two that looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   identical with the palace which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:26   those ones was the winner a black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   variant moon tell you what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4468">TS</a>]

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01:14:41   down to where the vote the tabulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:44   folks are here it comes you've sent me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   the link of the votes broken down by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:49   preferences and what's interesting great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:52   because obviously they kept distributing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   preferences until one flag got over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   fifty percent of the vote right now as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:57   we did has all good flag referendum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:59   should and what's interesting is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:02   the eventual winner which i will call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   black corner the was actually trailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4504">TS</a>]

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01:15:16   neck and neck and then black corner one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:18   on the final the final iteration the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:20   final distribution so red corner was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4520">TS</a>]

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01:15:30   way as those as they got distributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:33   those preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4533">TS</a>]

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01:15:44   but New Zealand despite choosing add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   flag had a cracking election these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:48   results are great these are these are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:51   great example of preferential voting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:54   action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:55   alright so we've got a couple couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   thoughts here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:58   mhm the the first is I am NOT surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4558">TS</a>]

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01:16:05   came in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:06   I i'm not i'm not surprised by that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4566">TS</a>]

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01:16:10   be a massive massive winner for people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:14   am surprised that the red corner flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:20   got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   his preference votes like that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:26   if this was a first-past-the-post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   election that one would have won because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   to me that one is unambiguously the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:35   worst and i think that one is awful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:39   every time I think I said in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4599">TS</a>]

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01:16:44   the national baseball league in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   it's just it's terrible i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:49   absolutely terrible and so I'm almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   appalled to see that it got 41 almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:55   forty-two percent of the vote on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:57   first round like that's that is quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:00   surprising to me I would not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   guessed like I'm not surprised Corey's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   last even though it was my most favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:06   I can't believe that god awful one came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:10   very close to being the flag for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:13   super bowl of flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:14   I mean we'll link people to the to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:16   table of fights but I mean it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18   a two-horse race even even read peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:21   with it's sort of groundswell of support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:22   who came a distant distant third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:25   yeah it was really between the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   committee designs and my far i mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:30   percentages are at the first preference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:33   around it was forty percent for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   black corner committee design 42-percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:39   for the red corner committee design and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   then red peak the terrorists negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   option was only at eight percent you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47   know and then it was five percent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:49   less than four percent after that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:51   yeah it was a it was a two-horse race by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:54   by a huge margin by a huge margin lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57   lovely lovely statistics and numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59   they're terrible flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:01   that's interesting that's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:04   what we needed was the classy brilliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:07   of our flags and the fantastic numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:10   of the new zealand vote then you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   dream flag election if we're to cat 1.4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:17   million votes and it went all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:18   through to the fourth iteration though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   it would have taken us about 10 years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:22   yeah that's that's why we would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:23   your nephew do i get the final thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   Brady if you were voting in the flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   referendum would you vote for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:28   flag over the New Zealand flag if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30   Voting I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   my my gut says no I would stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:38   what they have but not strongly i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:43   probably 60 40 on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:44   hmm i'm assuming you would change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:47   because you think change is crucial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49   no I don't think change is crucial I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   just think that the current New Zealand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   flag is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:54   I mean I met changes crucial in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:56   case not change is crucial at all times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   after that everything of blankets David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:01   are you for or against yes I hardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   think cgpgrey as mr. changes good as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:06   holiday but i think this case you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:07   this case you seem to be of the mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:09   that take what you can get basically to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   get rid of that flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:13   yeah i'm always of the opinion just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:15   with voting referendums i'm looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:17   you UK you can change and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:21   change again later if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   right like if you--you'll never locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:24   into something forever don't let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:26   perfect be the enemy of the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:28   oh I would definitely vote for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:30   silver fern flag as its official name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   black corner over the current New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:35   Zealand flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36   however i'll make a prediction now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:41   the new flag losses in the superbowl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:45   that the current New Zealand flag wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   the head-to-head race i don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   know you the the temperature in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   Zealand well enough to know to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   prediction about that but my organic I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:57   over there with the dipstick everyday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   Brady i'm reading the polls I'm tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00   number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   you didn't even know what flag was 300 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   minutes i'm going to do in växjö pops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   on the street you know I want to I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   to know what the average man what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   average sheep thinks that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:10   referendum but what do you think like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:12   if if this is you know this is Vegas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:15   we're putting money on the table like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:16   what are you what are you going to bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18   on I feel like New Zealand can be quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:20   progressive sometimes I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:21   there's a sort of country and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   led the way a few times in sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:24   social change so i can imagine them of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:28   the country's I know a bit about i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   imagine the main country that will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   that attitude that you have come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:34   let's just change it and crack on let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36   get things change so i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:38   it's a it's a better chance and if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:41   is happening in Australia for example or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   the UK for heaven's sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:45   yeah but the UK doesn't need to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4845">TS</a>]

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01:20:53   know the temperature over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:54   what I mean is I I don't know how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   black corner being the winner went down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   like i don't know if it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:01   everyone thinking well that was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:02   option now let's move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04   Lord this like still a lot of outrage I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:06   don't know so that could that could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   affecting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   yeah yeah I could be but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:13   my prediction we will see in what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:16   says march here the final one is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4876">TS</a>]

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01:21:59   Harry's blades and manufactured to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4919">TS</a>]

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01:22:09   when you've got that Harry's razor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   you're ordering new blades online you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4931">TS</a>]

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01:22:17   fifteen dollars and for that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4937">TS</a>]

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01:22:37   something a bit more fancy pants you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   get the Winston with a partial sue over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4959">TS</a>]

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01:22:44   new winter Winston with a really posh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   golden handle I've got one of those to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   those starter set to a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:51   expensive but still really good value at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/4971">TS</a>]

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01:23:32   read a book and you had me watch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:35   netflix series this is the netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37   series cold making a murderer and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:42   i send your message saying have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43   watched it and telling you should an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   amazing that you did amazing the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   what I told you to do i take your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   recommendations very seriously ok ok so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   so we are now doing just what we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   going to talk about that if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   watched it yet and and intend to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:59   probably want to stop stop listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   because it is very like you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   very spoiler prone this is the example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:06   of something that is nonfiction but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08   I think definitely you can clap classify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:11   as having spoilers so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:15   actually interesting netflix did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:16   promotion where they put the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:18   episode up on youtube which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:20   interesting an interesting move i'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   to find that link and i'll put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:23   show notes so if you want to just watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   the first episode you can see it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:29   free on YouTube without having a netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   account and you can just check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:32   and see if you're interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:33   you don't have to commit yourself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   watching all 10 episodes i think i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:38   going to attend or something here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:39   something that's it that's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   actually because at the end of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:42   first episode I imagined would make one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44   quite interested in engaging with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   might come next so it's a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   example of why I don't like to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   anything i just like to go into a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   because the ending of that first episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:56   is quite the gut punch when you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   know what's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5098">TS</a>]

01:24:58   yeah it was the same for me I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   nothing going into the spoilers coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   up so do you want to give us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:03   thumbnail overview for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   continuing to listen without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:06   watched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:07   what is making a murderer about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:08   making a murderer is the story of a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:11   called Steven Avery who lives in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:13   wisconsin he is jailed for a rape he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:17   spends many many years in jail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   how many was it was like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:20   ridiculousness 18 years 18 years in jail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:23   and then it turns out he was innocent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:28   the crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:29   he's released he sues the the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   police who do not hold this man in very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   high regard and very sure a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:38   time later he is accused and charged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:41   with the murder of a young woman called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   Teresa hole buck and he claims he's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:47   set up by the police because they're out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:48   to get him again the police say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   ridiculous and he committed the murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   his nephew who's a young man named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:56   Brendan Dassey is then also coach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:59   charged with the murder it's claimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   they together murdered this woman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:03   the series over eight episodes basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   first of all deals with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06   investigation and then the trial of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5166">TS</a>]

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01:26:11   did they or didn't they do it i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13   would be fair to say that this film has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   been made in a very sympathetic way with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:19   Steven Avery the accused the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5179">TS</a>]

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01:26:26   most of the time that boy this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   seems like maybe this something dodgy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   going on here in this bit of a travesty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   of justice i would go so far as to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:34   you're my instinct was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:37   biased because sometimes it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:40   jaw-dropping how biased seems and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:44   much he seems to have been set up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   you that that I'm thinking this can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:47   real this they must be leaving loads of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:49   stuff out they have since been accused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:52   of leaving loads of stuff out and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:55   whether that's the case on up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   I don't know yeah this is also allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5217">TS</a>]

01:27:01   the delay with guns in the deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   you're always going to have to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   stuff out you can talk about everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:07   yeah and so even doing a 10-episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:08   documentary about a single murder trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:13   that guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15   unless you are just showing everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:18   everything that happened every minute of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   every day in the actual trial you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   have to leave stuff out and after week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   after i finished watching this I did try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:26   to dig around a little bit and to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:28   like what did the police department say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:30   about the things that had been left out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   in the trial and you know I i will agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:37   with you that the documentary is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:42   sympathetic to Steven Avery and perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   perhaps to a degree that almost does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:50   disservice to itself could it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   you know it's very much on his side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   yeah but I did try to look into it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:57   a little bit and at least from what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:58   can see from the police departments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5278">TS</a>]

01:27:59   where they were saying oh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   documentary makers left out you know be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03   used these key things i like them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   thought i'm not impressed by that let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:06   none of them are like a big smoking gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   other none of the things the police have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   said since that made you think oh well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:12   find new that of course he was guilty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:13   but there's a few bitty things that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:16   do you play exactly but nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:18   nothing like sensational yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:21   everything that as a professional video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   maker I feel like yeah obviously you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   cut that like don't mention it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27   have any relevant doesn't matter like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   totally makes sense not to include every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   single piece of evidence so I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:33   police department has come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:34   nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   from my perspective that I find like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   wow it's amazing i wouldn't go so far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   to say nothing but i would say nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:42   sensational but there are a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:45   there are a few things there are few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:47   things i think could probably could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:48   been slaughtered in 28 hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   television without slowing things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:52   too much but yeah but everybody always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54   thinks that right like everybody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:56   their their additional thing included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:58   but well I'm no I think I'm quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:00   partial but you are you are impartial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:02   really that we're bringing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04   infomercial but I did like the series I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06   felt like it was a really good use of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:08   yeah after i really recommend it i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   to quite a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:12   the thing is just like with cereal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:16   IIF I have a hard time with these real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:20   crime things in no small part because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:23   have a hell of a time keeping everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:25   straight like all of the humans involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27   and their relation to each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:30   like who knew what when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:31   I this doesn't fit very naturally into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:35   my brain and I think that for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:38   like me who has a hard time following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:39   some of those details it did a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:41   job of trying to constantly remind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:44   who everybody is what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   relationship to each other showing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   org chart of the police constantly up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:52   the screen and highlighting this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:54   spoke to that person you know when was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:55   this in that I have to say I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   was very very well made for a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:01   we're even if it was just ten percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:05   worse i would have been fifty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:07   more lost like maybe they did a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   holding it together for me anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:12   mm so I i really liked it i have set I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:14   like too much more than i thought i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:16   would let us know as as always with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:19   these things sort of binge watch it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20   in a row yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   yes Oh house like all of the episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:25   like blur together a little bit but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:28   also think if i had watched this over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:29   any length of time I wouldn't have had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:31   prayer of holding it all together in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:34   head so aside from finding a sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:39   entertaining and engaging addicted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   come away with any kind of new thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43   about ya criminal justice system has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:47   landed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:47   no I mostly just found this man's false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49   imprisonment like quite entertaining for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51   me for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   look at I don't know what you want me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   say but like in some ways this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   kind of thing that just reaffirms many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:00   of my thoughts about the criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   justice system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:03   yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:06   you know it's just every affirms many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:10   my thoughts about what people imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:11   themselves to be I let's just let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:15   take what i think is is the perhaps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:18   most galling and clear of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:21   things is not Steven Avery but talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   about his cousin brandon yes right who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:28   who is this kid who was interrogated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:32   the police over this three-and-a-half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:36   hour period with out any legal defense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:40   present without his mother present and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:44   from my perspective and I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:46   see the video most people would agree is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:48   basically like not exactly bleed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:51   just tricked into a false confession is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:55   also you cannot overemphasize how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:58   he is a guy who's not blessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   normal intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:03   yes so is like it is yeah it's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:06   probably the most jaw-dropping part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   the whole series isn't the way and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:11   he's thrown to the Lions by his defense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:14   lawyer as well like at times is his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:17   first offense that actually conspires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:18   against him to have this done to him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   well which is even more amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   yeah yeah i mean it again even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:23   ignoring hope it's just like criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:27   negligence on the part of his own lawyer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:28   people will say things like oh but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:32   they were innocent why why would this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:33   person give a false confession that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:36   people just imagine themselves in ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:39   circumstances always and so people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   oh you know we're having a dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:44   conversation here on i'm comfortable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:47   having a glass of wine and say oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:48   would never give a false confession like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:51   okay right but let's actually put you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:54   a high-pressure situation and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:57   tapes of the police interviews are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:59   brutal when you hear the police just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:03   constantly saying the same things over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:05   and over again like tell us why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:08   killed or tell us why you killed her you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09   know it or like building it up piece by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:12   piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:12   you sure you didn't go to his house are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:14   you sure you didn't go to his house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16   and people overestimate their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:20   ability to withstand that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   I don't know gray I'm not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   percent agree with you there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:26   I i think what was time to him was put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   was wrong and like a travesty and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:31   you watch it you just can't believe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:32   you're saying but he wasn't like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:35   wasn't being like water board or tied up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:37   upside down with bamboo shoots under his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:39   fingernails like he's sitting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:41   comfortable chair he's being asked tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   questions but it is a murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44   investigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:45   yeah and and he does like he does admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:48   admit to things and the part of me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:51   I mean he should have had a lawyer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54   his parents should have been there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:56   the police were really wrong for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:58   reason but the part of me that was most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:00   amazed is that people will admit to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:04   murder under those circumstances just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:06   they can go home will go back to school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   like that there are people who who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   that but this is this is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:13   unexpected human behavior yeah everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:17   likes to think oh you know I wouldn't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:20   wouldn't give a false confession if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   was just sitting on a couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:23   I wouldn't gray right yeah of course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:25   course your grade chorus right but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:28   thing is we know that that is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:30   case like and no through science how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5670">TS</a>]

01:34:33   remarkably easy it is to inject false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:38   memories into people right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   remarkably easy like this this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:43   is precisely the point and I just I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:45   frustrated when people just imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:48   that I go an innocent person would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:50   confess that we know that that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:52   case we absolutely know that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:55   the case i guess the thing that amazed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   me was how easy it was to do but as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:59   said the kid is not a bright kid em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:02   right i mean they said his IQ was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:05   65 or 70 like he's a borderline retarded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   kid and so and then he admits to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:10   murder think that's great now I can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   back to school and hand in my homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   yeah they getting it's so clear he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:17   no concept really of what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19   I mean there's a few points where his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   vocabulary is so limited that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:25   he doesn't even know what he's agreeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:26   to he doesn't know if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:29   are confirming or denying the thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   you saying because he doesn't know words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   like confirm or deny it's just awful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36   watch and like ask a grown adults like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:40   Steven Avery and his his cousin a grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:44   adults is also interviewed under brutal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:47   circumstances and he does not elicit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   false confession so again as with many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   things there is a statistical outcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:53   right but you can't say that like no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:56   will ever give a false confession are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:59   now I'm there and when I was joking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00   saying I wouldn't do it I probably would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   do if I was being water boarded and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   boots under my fingernails but but i bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   we could get you to give a false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08   confession under less circumstance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:10   probably for a kit kat diet pepsi yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:12   exactly the thing the thing that I write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:19   it down what did he say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:20   hold on ok so there was a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   just it just broke my heart so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:26   it's it's this that they're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28   about Brendan this kid giving this false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:30   confession and his mom is asking him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:35   like why did he give this confession and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:39   you know he says oh I you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:42   know I don't know and and at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:44   he said something like they kept asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:49   me these questions and I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:55   answers for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   I guests because that's what I do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5817">TS</a>]

01:37:01   my homework and the thing that broke my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:05   heart about that is I have totally done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:10   the same kind of false confession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:13   tactics with my own students under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   different circumstances which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:18   like are you sure you're done with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:20   paper right which is basically saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   like something wrong on this piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:23   paper and like this this is just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:27   happens in schools of like that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:29   to go with option A or option B this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:32   this kid who's not a bright kid has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:35   almost certainly grown up in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:36   environment where this is what adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38   are doing just all the time around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:39   right half like so we want you to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:43   this thing we don't want you to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   thing like pickup from from what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:48   putting down like which way you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:49   go with this kid and you know I like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:52   know i know i have done that with dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:55   kids in class where they're saying some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   stuff and you're just like you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:58   trying to move along like why don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:01   what do you think about this option like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   oh that option sounds like great what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:06   the police it was so like it wasn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   that subtle though I mean I can't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   of a specific example but it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   along the lines of like you know to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   something up but to make it similar did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:16   you cut with what part of her body did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   you cut and he would say fort and I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   no shin no knee know by and he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:24   guessing every single part of the body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25   until he finally he would say the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   they wanted and then go are so you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:30   you know he had to ear right have to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:32   19 other body parts yeah this is it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:35   this is exactly how false confessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   get made right is as soon as you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:40   person to just agree a little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42   you you planted that seed in their mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   and then like you start going over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:45   whole thing like that's ok let's take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:47   from the beginning so you said you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:48   go to his house right you did step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   inside you'd go here and now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52   saying you did cut her in the knee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54   I like you just another what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:57   next like tell us what happened next and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:58   you and you just keep badgering for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:00   detailing to get that other detail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:02   then you start over again and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:03   okay let's go through and make sure we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05   have the story again like and just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:08   hours and hours and hours of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   p-people fold in ways that are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   unexpected and so the the Brendan thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   is is the absolute the worst the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:18   appalling one that just makes me sad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   so many ways that the police have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:23   incentive to get a confession out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:25   someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:26   humans bend in this way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:28   remarkably unexpected and because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:31   unexpected juries are very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:34   convince that false confessions exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:37   is just like a perfect storm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:39   awfulness in the judicial system it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:42   remarkable the way the two trials like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   attacked in completely different ways as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   well it was almost like you want that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   that like to save that the murder happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   111 try and then go to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:53   first trial and the exact same guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:55   saying that happened in a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:56   different way like wow I'm amazed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   amazed you can do that well that this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:02   me again for people who are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04   listening to us talk about this now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   they ran two separate murder trials for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:08   these two different guys Brenden and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10   Stephen and yes they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:12   this state was presenting different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   theories about the murders at each just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:18   seems unbelievable but it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   reminder of-of course the judicial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:23   system is this thing that is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:24   procedure and it is about trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   convince people and the thing that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:29   really dislike about it is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   state has incentives to win and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:35   the state has an incentive to win they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:38   participate in things that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:41   obviously counter to what you think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:44   truth seeking behavior and it shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:48   be unexpected when you give people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   incentives to win that they want to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   that prosecutors have careers that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:54   the Chief of Police has a reputation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:57   uphold like I don't know if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00   great way around it but it's just it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   not unexpected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:04   it's just sad to see it so laid out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:07   taking away like you know profession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09   professional pride and career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:10   progression and all those reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12   the state is incentivized to win take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:14   all that away and pretend they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   all-out realistic people who was serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   us wrap who didn't have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:20   careers to think about who shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:24   they still be incentivized to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:25   because the bad guys break the rules as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:29   well like it's not like the bad guys go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   into court and saying okay let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   find out the facts like the bad guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35   obstructing I so like obstructing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:39   doing the wrong thing so much that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:40   the good guys need like some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:43   like don't need to fight back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45   interest of Justice if they just SAT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:46   there passively and accepted everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:49   I mean well I'm not sure what you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   by the bad guys break the rules like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   don't think that the defense is allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:56   to break rules in court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:58   what do you mean by break the room is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6118">TS</a>]

01:41:59   like it's like if I rob a bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:04   and then the police think I robbed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:06   bank and take me to the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:08   it's not like we all held up by hand to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:10   say ok there's no more good guys and bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:11   guys let's just walk in a room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:13   everyone told the truth and then justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:16   will be done like once the trial starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:19   like the bad guys are still lying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   they're twisting and they're tricking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24   and their big tactical and if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:26   prosecution wasn't allowed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28   technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:29   I'm not saying the prosecution should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:30   lie but if the prosecution wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   allowed to be tactical in return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   wouldn't wouldn't the prosecution be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:37   turning up to a gunfight with a knife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:38   like wouldn't it be a case of like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   need the full armory that is being used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   by the defense including the use of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:45   tactics and strategy and like so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:50   this is that this is the thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:51   this is an interesting point that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:53   think comes up when I argue with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:54   about the judicial system sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   is one I always find it interesting how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6176">TS</a>]

01:43:01   often everybody is tempted to frame it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:04   in these terms there is the prosecutor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:07   and there is a criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   okay well we're already starting from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:12   bad place right that there is there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:16   someone who is on the defense who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:18   suspected of this crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:20   yeah but we're pretty were supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22   presume that they are innocent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24   yeah right but if you actually speak to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:27   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:28   nobody's nobody works from that starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:31   position like everybody in their mind is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   imagining like yeah okay we say that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:36   surely most of the time they're bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:38   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:39   now I wasn't really doing i can see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   sounds that way but I wasn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   doing that what I was doing was i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:44   saying that you do not have no items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46   using I was posing to you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   hypothetical case where the person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:50   guilty and they're going to get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   with it if we don't arm the prosecution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:55   with the same tools we are the defense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   with ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6237">TS</a>]

01:43:58   also also saying we shouldn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:00   that the prosecution shouldn't be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   focused on winning they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:04   focused on truth but if they don't focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:06   on winning i think they they stay don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:09   use the tools of winning and that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   allow the very occasional guilty person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:14   who gets charged with a crime to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:16   away with it in your scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   we're imagining that humans are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:19   perfectly altruistic right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:21   presuming that the prosecution is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:25   convinced that the defendant is guilty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:27   that provides them an incentive to want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:29   to win now candidate that is separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:32   that is separate from their careers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33   because nobody wants to see a murderer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:37   go free and that like there's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:39   anybody really wants but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:41   like here's here's here's my fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:45   problem with this everything in life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:52   a dial right that you are turning up or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:57   you're turning down and people always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6297">TS</a>]

01:45:00   want to argue about where is the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:04   place to turn that dial and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:07   think this is a reasonable argument to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:09   have and I think you have to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:10   argument about look we will never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:12   the exact place to turn the dial and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:15   the question is do we want to have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17   turn too high or too low and my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:21   with something like a judicial system is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:25   that you should have the dial turned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:28   high in favor of the defendant because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:33   the consequence of being wrong is severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:38   it is deriving a person of their freedom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:43   of the only life they will ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6343">TS</a>]

01:45:48   and so if you are wrong that that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:53   tragedy and now that this is where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55   comes down to a personal assessment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:57   I i think it is far far worse to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6357">TS</a>]

01:46:04   wrongfully in prison an innocent person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6364">TS</a>]

01:46:07   then it is too late guilty person go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:10   free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:11   now you can make an argument for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:13   other side like this last night we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:16   discussing before everything comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:17   to some fundamental assumption but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19   is my feeling that an innocent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   conviction is vastly worse and so I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:26   willing to turn that dial quite high in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   defense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:29   the advantage should be to a free man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:34   who was just pulled off the streets by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:36   the police and then the police have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:38   say here is the evidence for why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41   think this person should be removed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:44   society possibly until they die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:47   the defense is arguing against police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:49   procedure and people go like oh what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:50   they're trying to put a murderer away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   like now you but you you can't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54   about the particular situation if if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:58   like let's say you're convinced even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6418">TS</a>]

01:46:59   Avery is an absolute murderer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   convinced of it is your stance that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:06   state should be allowed to decide when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:09   they don't want to follow procedures to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:12   put someone in prison like at we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:15   need to worry about how we handle the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:16   blood and we don't need to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:18   people signing in and out of of crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:20   scenes and we don't need to worry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:22   people who were banned from being on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:24   crime scene were actually on the crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:26   scene like you can't give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   prosecution that kind of power that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30   crazy power and and this to me is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:33   with the Stephen a everything is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6453">TS</a>]

01:47:34   it's astounded to see how they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:38   follow the rules and my feeling is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:41   man if i'm sitting on a jury as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   discussed before number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:45   my thought is well human testimony is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   almost worthless including confessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:49   so almost anything that anybody says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:51   it's like I'm immediately just throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:53   it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:54   he's you say you're guilty Brendan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:55   don't even care that you say it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:57   because I'm just not interested what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:58   physical evidence do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   and so the state had all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:01   physical evidence they had a key that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   was found in the house they had Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:04   Avery's blood in a car they found her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:06   bones in a pit behind his house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:08   oh ok well that's that's pretty it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   pretty pretty damning physical evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:12   their government did you follow all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:15   the procedures for collecting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:17   evidence and then they go oh no actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:19   there were some problems collecting it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:21   like okay well now all of this evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:22   is garbage and now you have nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:25   that like that's that's my view on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:26   like if if the state doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:29   have to follow the procedures that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:31   crazytown that is that is insanity it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:35   absolutely insanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6515">TS</a>]

01:48:38   so regardless of what the filmmakers say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   i'm not entirely clear what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:41   filmmakers say about this but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:44   the purpose of the film was to convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:45   that miscarriage of justice has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:47   done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:48   Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:50   that's concentrated and Steven Avery for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:52   a minute and certainly a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6532">TS</a>]

01:48:53   people who've watched it feel this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:55   we see all these petitions to the White [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:56   House and people saying this needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:58   pardoned and whatever did it work on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00   do you feel a miscarriage of justice has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:03   happened a second time to this man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:07   I mean look at it this is we're just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:15   the serial thing again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:16   yeah I know you and I just a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17   guys yeah we're a couple guys know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:20   my feeling is there it it's astounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:23   that this jury convicted him it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:26   astounding and one of the help of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:31   other things that you don't like Brady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:33   but you know it's just my thought on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:38   this is is it was just a case of of they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:42   show how the police department just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:45   constantly before the trial talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:48   about all of the gruesome details about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:50   Steven Avery and the confession and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:53   murder and like how awful it was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:55   police chief gives this dramatic press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:57   conference about like who hide your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   children behind your skirt while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:00   discussed this horrible murder that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:02   taken place that was crazy like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:04   away with that press conference before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:05   the trial the American justice system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:08   never ceases to amaze me for things yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:09   the use of the median trial by media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:12   yeah it's astounding and ages an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6612">TS</a>]

01:50:16   of the police and the media together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6616">TS</a>]

01:50:21   poisoning the minds of everyone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:25   could potentially participate in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:27   jury-rigged it's it's amazing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:32   amazing and speaking of human biases the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:34   way someone first here's something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:37   Steven Avery is murderer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:39   you almost can't undo a first impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:42   that somebody has em it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:45   impossible this is a thing called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6645">TS</a>]

01:50:47   backfire effect which it like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:49   astounding but sometimes like if some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:51   and here's something that is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:53   you're very attempt to explain why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:55   wrong end up convincing the person even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6655">TS</a>]

01:50:57   more that their first impression was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59   correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:00   i agree with you like I cannot believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6660">TS</a>]

01:51:02   whenever it happens that the media is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6662">TS</a>]

01:51:05   allowed to just discuss accusations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:09   anyone on any crime like I find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:12   amazing it like because i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:17   there's a little bit of you know of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6677">TS</a>]

01:51:20   desserts for the police commissioner in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:22   this case where you know he was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:24   all of these press conferences to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6684">TS</a>]

01:51:27   totally just poison the well for Steven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:29   Avery on the jury and in the end like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6689">TS</a>]

01:51:32   is he's talking to some reporter who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:34   gotten sex text messages that he sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6694">TS</a>]

01:51:36   two people he's worked with a special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6696">TS</a>]

01:51:39   prosecutor was in the end and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:41   reporter is like oh but if if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6701">TS</a>]

01:51:44   have there's nothing if you haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6704">TS</a>]

01:51:47   anything you have nothing to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6707">TS</a>]

01:51:48   right and any sense of the reporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6708">TS</a>]

01:51:50   like oh come on you know full well as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:52   do that just the accusation will destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:55   yeah it's like yeah you bastard you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:57   exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6717">TS</a>]

01:51:58   yeah so I don't know it's just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6718">TS</a>]

01:52:01   addition to what seemed to me to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:03   your question a horrific miscarriage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6723">TS</a>]

01:52:07   justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6727">TS</a>]

01:52:08   it is also just fit right into a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:11   my preconceptions about like man the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:14   the media is allowed to report on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:17   criminal affairs are awful and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:21   quite that stuff that doesn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:22   doesn't happen in the UK and no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:25   Australia and you know they're quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:26   they're very strict rules about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6746">TS</a>]

01:52:28   reporting court cases and certainly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:30   country's I've working as a journalist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6750">TS</a>]

01:52:32   that's why when i watch this I'm like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:34   almost seems like a like a joke to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:37   like made up because the things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:38   doing you just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:40   he's Kentucky's couldn't do you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:42   journalists would be in jail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:43   I honestly think all of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:45   journalists should be in jail and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:47   court TV the court TV astounds me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6767">TS</a>]

01:52:49   they're like they're like sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:51   commentators and pundits and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:52   predicting what might happen next and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6772">TS</a>]

01:52:55   who won that day's play and do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:59   he's do you think like I just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:01   believe this cantilever it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6781">TS</a>]

01:53:03   sport is that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:04   like gladiators or something and that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:07   me just feeds the whole problem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:09   everybody starts picking sides and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6789">TS</a>]

01:53:11   all of a sudden you have once again with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:13   humans love to do is they divided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:14   themselves into tribes and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6794">TS</a>]

01:53:16   becomes more about sticking to your side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6796">TS</a>]

01:53:18   as opposed to any kind of trying to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:21   out what is what is really right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:23   aight immediately it's just awful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:26   Africa it's just it's like the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:31   keep thinking of is there some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6811">TS</a>]

01:53:32   horrible cross between like whores and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:35   vultures because the way they say flock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6815">TS</a>]

01:53:38   around every person who's involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:40   this trial is just just despicable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6820">TS</a>]

01:53:44   way they're picking apart the emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:47   trauma of other people for their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:49   benefit and careers still haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6829">TS</a>]

01:53:52   answered my question what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:54   he did that well you asked if it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:57   miscarriage of justice which I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6837">TS</a>]

01:53:59   yes again no way he should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   convicted under those circumstances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:03   yeah if I have to put money on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:08   hmm i would say no he didn't do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6848">TS</a>]

01:54:13   much more so than with cereal i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:15   like i'm very aware of having watched a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:17   thing that is super favorable to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:20   person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:20   mm but my feeling is know that this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:24   didn't do it he got framed to me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:28   that's true isn't it amazing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:31   audacious the police work to do this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6871">TS</a>]

01:54:34   almost like it's like how do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6874">TS</a>]

01:54:37   you could get away with that will they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:38   do get away with it but how do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6878">TS</a>]

01:54:39   you get away with that with all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6879">TS</a>]

01:54:40   attention but part of me thinks it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:43   probably some slight backwater this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:44   matter what county in wisconsin and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:47   never realized it was going to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6887">TS</a>]

01:54:48   this big famous netflix series in a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:51   national story and yeah well this is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6891">TS</a>]

01:54:54   mean I hate to say it but I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6894">TS</a>]

01:54:55   small towns have particular horrors in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:58   them and then and this this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6898">TS</a>]

01:55:00   small town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:04   you know big hats kind of thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:06   it's just horrifying consumed like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6906">TS</a>]

01:55:08   think it's not surprising that this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6908">TS</a>]

01:55:11   of corruption in the police department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:13   can happen something to point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6913">TS</a>]

01:55:16   which i think i'm not sure how great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6916">TS</a>]

01:55:18   this the show tries to wrap it up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:20   us but the defense lawyer doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6920">TS</a>]

01:55:22   the point which i think is true which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6922">TS</a>]

01:55:23   that I don't think that anybody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:25   police department is like oh man we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:27   can't wait to frame this guy and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:29   gonna get him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:30   I i think they are all just horrific Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6930">TS</a>]

01:55:35   biased against this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6935">TS</a>]

01:55:37   hmm and they all felt like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:41   moving this along to make sure that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6941">TS</a>]

01:55:43   can put him in prison that you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6943">TS</a>]

01:55:46   haven't spoken about it but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6946">TS</a>]

01:55:47   very many reasons why the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:49   family wasn't liked by the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:51   community I think that there's this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6951">TS</a>]

01:55:54   wasn't plucked out of absolutely nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:56   you know he got into trouble as a kid so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6956">TS</a>]

01:55:59   that like their there's more going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:02   here but my feeling is that this Theresa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:07   girl got murdered by somebody else who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:10   took advantage of the situation so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6970">TS</a>]

01:56:13   think that seems really unlikely gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:14   that seems like it seems pretty amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6974">TS</a>]

01:56:18   to think I want to murder this i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:20   can get away with a murder today because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6980">TS</a>]

01:56:22   if i disposed of the body in this way at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6982">TS</a>]

01:56:25   this person's house this person who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:27   police are already predisposed against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6987">TS</a>]

01:56:29   is is almost certainly going to go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6989">TS</a>]

01:56:31   but that seems really implausible to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6991">TS</a>]

01:56:34   that a third party did the murder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6994">TS</a>]

01:56:38   the third party frame Steven Avery I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/6998">TS</a>]

01:56:42   think the most likely scenarios are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7002">TS</a>]

01:56:44   vreedle up or someone else did it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:50   the police fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7010">TS</a>]

01:56:51   and evidence and moved the evidence into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7011">TS</a>]

01:56:54   a place where we made it more obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7014">TS</a>]

01:56:56   that Steven Avery get it whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7016">TS</a>]

01:56:57   they thought he did or not they moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7017">TS</a>]

01:57:00   the evidence that I i find it very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7020">TS</a>]

01:57:02   to believe that a third party so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7022">TS</a>]

01:57:05   i could get away with murder this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:06   because I could frame every or they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7026">TS</a>]

01:57:09   a mirror and thought now i'll put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7029">TS</a>]

01:57:11   every it seems to me that is that second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7031">TS</a>]

01:57:15   scenario is seems more likely that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7035">TS</a>]

01:57:17   police find her dead and the move her in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7037">TS</a>]

01:57:21   only four days fixed even they find her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7041">TS</a>]

01:57:24   dead they think Steven Avery did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:26   because that was the last house he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7046">TS</a>]

01:57:28   at and they're thinking we got no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:29   evidence we can make this stick like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7049">TS</a>]

01:57:32   Avery's clearly done and he's gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:33   away with it again we can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:35   stick because so then they start moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7055">TS</a>]

01:57:38   a couple of things here but they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7058">TS</a>]

01:57:41   move a lot of things because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7061">TS</a>]

01:57:43   to move her car and they have to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7063">TS</a>]

01:57:45   the remnants of her but like moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7065">TS</a>]

01:57:47   car is a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:48   ya like like to the police find the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7068">TS</a>]

01:57:51   up the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7071">TS</a>]

01:57:52   i I don't know that that to me seems way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:55   harder then there's a huge celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7075">TS</a>]

01:57:59   like this is the other thing to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:01   to be really clear about he's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:03   like some guy in the blue that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7083">TS</a>]

01:58:05   police have had run-ins a huge known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:07   person in this area like the family are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7087">TS</a>]

01:58:10   well known i don't think it's crazy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:13   think someone would think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7093">TS</a>]

01:58:15   great place to try to dump the body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7095">TS</a>]

01:58:17   right and and if it's found they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7097">TS</a>]

01:58:19   going to look too hard but my feeling is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7099">TS</a>]

01:58:21   somebody else killed her he was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7101">TS</a>]

01:58:25   well-known like the that it's an obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7105">TS</a>]

01:58:28   place to dump a body and and think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7108">TS</a>]

01:58:31   they'll just they'll just not look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7111">TS</a>]

01:58:33   far past this guy if they if they find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7113">TS</a>]

01:58:35   body on on his property and just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7115">TS</a>]

01:58:37   oh right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7117">TS</a>]

01:58:38   this this guy everybody already thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:40   it's kind of awful he did it when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7120">TS</a>]

01:58:43   watch something like this like i love i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7123">TS</a>]

01:58:45   really like America I work through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7125">TS</a>]

01:58:47   the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:47   lots of my friends are Americans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:49   Americans you Americans call place when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7129">TS</a>]

01:58:51   i watch this documentary I sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7131">TS</a>]

01:58:53   think while man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7133">TS</a>]

01:58:54   America's weird you know only in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7134">TS</a>]

01:58:56   as they say and you sort of think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7136">TS</a>]

01:58:59   that's a crazy place do you look at MIT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7139">TS</a>]

01:59:02   American things like that now you live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7142">TS</a>]

01:59:04   in London and have lived here for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7144">TS</a>]

01:59:05   time do you watch this like do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7145">TS</a>]

01:59:07   like an outsider when you watch this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7147">TS</a>]

01:59:09   order watches and think my country that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:11   is a bit weird sometimes I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7151">TS</a>]

01:59:13   I've lived outside of the US long enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7153">TS</a>]

01:59:15   that I have a lot of distance from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7155">TS</a>]

01:59:17   no it feels like another place but much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7157">TS</a>]

01:59:22   less than the American thing this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7162">TS</a>]

01:59:24   to me just feels much more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7164">TS</a>]

01:59:26   small-town kind of place where I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:31   that that's what actually feels like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:32   real difference and like small towns you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7172">TS</a>]

01:59:36   know everybody knows everybody else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7176">TS</a>]

01:59:39   like the police department has a blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:41   feud with some family because because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7181">TS</a>]

01:59:45   a cousin who married into the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:47   department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7187">TS</a>]

01:59:48   you gotta love LA like this is how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7188">TS</a>]

01:59:50   whole thing kicks off is like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7190">TS</a>]

01:59:53   distant Avery's who who doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:56   along with the marries into the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7196">TS</a>]

01:59:57   departments like that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7197">TS</a>]

01:59:59   problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7199">TS</a>]

01:59:59   problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7199">TS</a>]

02:00:00   one with small places like to adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:01   their incestuous in this way is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7201">TS</a>]

02:00:05   everybody's connected to everybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7205">TS</a>]

02:00:07   and that can be great when things go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:10   well but it can be terrible when things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7210">TS</a>]

02:00:12   go wrong this to me is the the flipside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7212">TS</a>]

02:00:16   like the dark side of a small community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7216">TS</a>]

02:00:18   and that's what I've he was the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7218">TS</a>]

02:00:22   difference i don't feel like oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7222">TS</a>]

02:00:23   America it is more days like oh god it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:25   a small town and these are all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7225">TS</a>]

02:00:27   things that are creepy and weird about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7227">TS</a>]

02:00:29   small towns and so that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7229">TS</a>]

02:00:32   how i feel about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:34   I remember really early on getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7234">TS</a>]

02:00:36   really excited though because quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7236">TS</a>]

02:00:37   early in the show they mention sheboygan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   yeah i've never heard of sheboygan until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:43   during our postcard count when you one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7243">TS</a>]

02:00:46   of the first postcards you pull that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7246">TS</a>]

02:00:47   from sheboygan wisconsin remember you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7247">TS</a>]

02:00:49   made a little joke about it right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7249">TS</a>]

02:00:51   also have never heard of that place is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7251">TS</a>]

02:00:52   quite funny and then really early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:53   sheboygan came up and I'm like oh I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7253">TS</a>]

02:00:56   what your game is probably will get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:58   big man on campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7258">TS</a>]

02:01:00   I'm sure there's some name from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7260">TS</a>]

02:01:02   effect we have never heard of a word or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7262">TS</a>]

02:01:03   a place before and then it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7263">TS</a>]

02:01:05   popping up a few times that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7265">TS</a>]

02:01:06   there is there is there's totally a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:08   for that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7268">TS</a>]

02:01:09   well I got that there you go alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7269">TS</a>]

02:01:12   making a murder quite clever name for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:14   the show isn't it because what is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7274">TS</a>]

02:01:16   a murderer remain as a good name wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7276">TS</a>]

02:01:20   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7280">TS</a>]

02:01:20   did they is it just like making like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7280">TS</a>]

02:01:22   police make someone for the crime or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7282">TS</a>]

02:01:24   they make a murderer out of him by how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7284">TS</a>]

02:01:26   he was treated earlier or did they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7286">TS</a>]

02:01:28   him into a murder with fake evidence got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:31   lots of meetings that title isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:32   yeah the other manufacturing murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7292">TS</a>]

02:01:35   that's the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMX_ntwo/7295">TS</a>]