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00:00:00 ◼   ► I tell you what it is one of the great myths of hello internet and CGP grey [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► folklore that you are competent and have technical ability the last show [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► certainly certainly sparked some conversation in the reddit I couldn't [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► help but notice that it was a show that reached a thousand comments people [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► talking about when services ma'am is appropriate people talking about sub [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► localization with many minds blown lots and lots of discussion from the last [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► show there was there wasn't sure will come to a few of the other things in [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► follow-up on the subway collaboration thing I love people seemed really [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► interested in and it is very interesting but I feel like I have anything else to [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► say what about you [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► the thing that I left out of the conversation last time which people were [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► picking up on a little bit in the subreddit was I came across some [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► localization in the context of this is not a thing that you should do if you [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► are a well developed reader that this is this is a hinderance this is something [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► that you do when you first learn to read when you are a child but that by the [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► time you become a man you should be able to look at words and understand them [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► without hearing a little voice in your head reading the words to yourself [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah there was a lot of comments on that point but my only follow-up is when I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► came across this I thought oh ok well this is very interesting let me see if I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► can get rid of this sub localization and there's a whole bunch of things that [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you're supposed to do and my experience with them has been a total failure there [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► are exercises you're supposed to do where you're listening to a recording of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► a voice that's counting up in numbers 12345 and trying to read trying to do [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that so that your brain learns to not use the audio part of your brain for [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► this and I tried that and the result was I was just incapable of reading the one [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that I thought was the most interesting was [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► was there is a bunch of software out there which have you seen this pretty [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► but it does this thing where it flashes words individually on the screen from an [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► article so so instead of saying that here's an article that I want to read [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► and it's written normally it just flashes all of the words in sequence in [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the center of the screen [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► have you ever seen something like yeah yeah I I have very briefly I'm vaguely [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► familiar with it yeah I believe Instapaper on the phone has a built-in [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► but there's a few websites we can paste text and do the same thing but one of [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► the ways in which you're supposed to train yourself out of some vocalizing is [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► by using something like this [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► cranked out a ridiculous speed ok well let me try I'll try but it was almost [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► comical because no matter how high I cranked it up to its like 500 words per [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► minute I'm just hearing a faster voice in my head like the point at which I can [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► still understand it and there is also a narrator and it was a bit like when I [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► edit the podcast podcast and sometimes accidentally sent it to you in a [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► fast-forward mode we're we're talking you know two times faster than we [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► normally do so I tried a bunch of the get rid of some vocalizations stuff and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not have it seems to work for me at all I just am not sure that I'm not sure [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that it can be gotten rid of I guess the question I have [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► is what's the difference between you sub vocalizing and if I was sitting next to [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you in bed reading the book i think is a big difference between the house and [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► hang on I'm sitting there I'm sitting next to the bed I'm not in bed with you [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► I'm just a chair next to a less weird when you've got like you're getting [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► ready to go to sleep and garlic bread you can you read me a story like is that [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► basically what's happening you're reading yourself a story that seems or [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► if I was reading you the story [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► other words and coming into your head you're then read them to yourself again [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► so you don't think about it now there's no it's not necessary level of thought [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► there's no doubling up I do not like hearing it twice maybe this is the best [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► way to think about it when we're talking now aren't you in mere talking neither [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► of us are thinking about the thoughts right like we just don't know how you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► speak right words just appear at this is this is how that happens right yeah yeah [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and so when I ask you a question and then you answer me yeah right you are [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► using a voice but at your thinking the thought at the same time that you're [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► speaking it and for anyone who's done something like a podcast where you speak [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► for a very long time and I'm sure brady you had the same experience sometimes [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► you say something and you think we do actually think that I'm not sure that I [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► do think that right because it's just like a stream of thoughts coming out of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► your mind right [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► have you ever had that experience you say something you think do I think [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► pretty much every time I speak their ego so in the same way that you talking out [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► loud is like the same thing is you thinking it's it's just like that for [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► reading it it's almost like if if if someone put duct tape over your mouth [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► because you weren't able to speak that would impair your ability to think [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► that's kind of like what it what it is internally I did read when they're doing [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► experiments on sub vocalizations they do their senses because you are almost [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► imperceptibly [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► reading to your self-learning say movements in your time zone your lips [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► and stuff so you literally a kind of reading out loud [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► yeah I would be really curious to know if that was the case for me as far as I [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► know I sit silently and I don't plan on moving my lips or my tongue but I have [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► seen these things and I go you can under the right circumstances measure that [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they're still electrical impulses going to someones vocal chords when they're [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► doing this even if there's no external side that there that they're reading out [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► loud but I guess your analogy of you reading me a bedtime story just really [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► threw me off I think perhaps the most straightforward way to describe it is [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that me reading a book out loud to myself and me reading a book [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► silently to myself are not very different experiences are really is with [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► human brain that weird well somehow I don't know how you read I don't [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► understand how you read it that's not the experience that you have any like [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► you are like imagining things to like you are like picturing the same [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► obviously you know you're imagining the mountains and the hobbits and yeah I [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► have the same time this gets really weird like when you think of something [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► in your head you can see it right but where are you seeing it I still have [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► that going on like I'm imagining the scene that unfolds in say a fictional [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► book right that that definitely takes place but it really is just like there [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► is a narrator talking over the whole thing but so do you just do does have a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► scene silently playing in your head when you read now it's just it's it's it's in [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► another element in a room that we're voices don't exist it's like it's your [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► thoughts your consciousness it's there it's there it's that infant decimal [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► point in the center of your brain where everything happens that you don't [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► understand but it's just the the place and there's no luck I said last time now [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► there's a collapsing of the wave function as soon as I think about [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► thinking everything becomes words and pictures and it's only when I think [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► about thinking it's not that's why I think the same thing is happening to [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► both of us and you're just [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► incapable of getting lost in there and you're always thinking about it so [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► you're always collapsing the wave function and thinking about the words in [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► the pitches I I know this is a Roman studies into an arrogant for me to think [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► everyone thinks like me but I just that's what it feels like to me it feels [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► like we all do it because as soon as I try to think about as soon as I talk to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► you about it suddenly I am reading to myself and everything is a lot more [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► simple and basic but that's just because I'm analyzing it I just think you're [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► analyzing it too much I think I think he do get lost in reading and thinking and [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► it's only when you stop and think about it that it collapses into this really [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► simple thing yet this is exactly what an ounce of a closer with that and I could [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► say and of course you would say that because that's what grade would say you [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► can't argue with that this is where fast getting into the realm of in argue [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► ability but I the reason why do think that that you're wrong is because I from [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► the descriptions I genuinely wish that I could read in this way that didn't have [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► internal words like it seems like it's a much better way to read but I am always [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► aware of the narrator like the narrator is is never not their mental images can [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► be in addition to the narrator but the narrator's always like I can do the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► thing everyone can do it you can you can imagine a dog and in your brain [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► somewhere there's like a picture of a generic dog that pops into your head [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► without hearing someone also go dog right I can have without a narrator day [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► reading without a narrator is not possible but I would still say that I [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► think the vast majority of my thoughts do have some kind of narrator and that [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► the the picture part of it is is much rarer like that guy have to more [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► consciously like imagine the dog to not have the narrator to be a thing that [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► happens and I do and I do realize their academic studies into this that's [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► another reason I'm wrong but this is like oh this is a field of study so I [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► can sit here and be an armchair expert but I do realize there [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► is a thing that I would be curious in the subreddit if anybody has any other [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► recommended techniques besides the listen to something [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► spoken while you're reading or try to do the one word really fast things I'm open [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► to trying other methods to to get rid of the habit of Cebu collapsing but [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► everything I have tried so far has been whole area is Lee unhelpful to do I [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► haven't told you this yet but I've been buying up steps and all sorts of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► merchandise will be liberian County flags on the only yeah just today I got [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► a number like that was sent like during the Black the liberian war or something [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► with this one of the steps and postmarked in liberia and I'm loving [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► nothing I'm getting really into steps and postcards and the whole world of [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► mail and stuff I think I'm becoming a fully fledged node like I'm the one [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► thing that I didn't do that snow D step and i think im gonna get into stamp [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► collecting there is a whole world of the whole world to get into with stamp [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► collecting obviously have already started with my crash mail that now so [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► proudly showed me last time I was there I'm gonna have a whole bunch of other [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► liberians to show you next time there was a thread on the technology subreddit [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► very often on there they do redesign projects which actually think of some of [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► the most interesting things that appear on that subreddit sometimes they just do [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► flags in a particular theme like canada is every nation's flags he make a [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► counter version of all the flags but sometimes they just do a straight up [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► redesign and so someone who actually listened to the show and its food man [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► Union he redid all of the Liberian County flags and I'll put the link in [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► the show notes I am very impressed with this redesign and I think the redesign [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► is really interesting because I can't I can't figure it out because I look at [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the redesign and these flags are still [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► very very busy flags but I like them all but I wonder if it's because my brain [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► has already fixed its point of reference for Hrithik horrific original flags and [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► so my brain is going over these legs are much better than those flags the feeling [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► I have a hard time seeing them objectively but I think they are very [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► interesting Lee done redesigns she know my problem is with all these redesigned [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► competitions and things like that because because of these rules of good [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► flag design and this kind of accepted style and grammar of the time of the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► flames begin looking a bit the site and I always think that's one of the things [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► I like about the liberian County flags if I can block anything it's it's it's [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► different it's so it's so refreshing the different isn't a great thing about some [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► of the WEP key flags whether it's something really crazy like Nepal or or [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► something that's just a bit different like Brazil for example if you didn't [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► have those points of difference [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► flags will be the most boring thing in the world he you need some of the crazy [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► cars to make flags work and I think whenever you have these competitions [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► with people say let's imagine we didn't have the crazy guys let's make the crazy [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► guys the same as all the other guys all of a sudden flags become really dull so [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► I think it's unfortunate when people have these little let's let's take the [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► wacky flag and turn it into all the other ones and it just it just it leaves [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► me cold if you can make a new flag ok make a new flag and make it good and [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► follow the rules of design but there's something about all these if only this [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► crazy flag was like all the other ones moments that people don't get a text I [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► am more sympathetic to your point than you might think that I am greedy the [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► thing the thing that I think complicates this is that you and higher looking at [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► it from from the perspective of flag connoisseurs potentially professionals [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► who help other nations develop their flag for this is this is our [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► perspectives so we see [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► many many flags people send us on Twitter and on the subreddit many more [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► flags we've seen a lot yet and so I think from that perspective the more [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► unusual becomes more valuable like a welcome respite from the sameness of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► every single flag yeah it feels like oh boy isn't isn't this quite a relief and [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► I think this is something that you can see sometimes with people who are [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► professional critics in any field sometimes critics we do have money by [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► criticizing flags I can someone add that to the Wikipedia page is well-known [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► professional flag tattooed in some circles as potential advisers to the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► government of Fiji but I think I think that's that's why I like movie reviewers [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► you know sometimes if if their movie reviewers you follow they'll [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► occasionally like movies that you feel like god how could they possibly like [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► this terrible low-budget awful indie movie and I think it's a bit of a same [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► thing where they like man is just so interesting to see something that is [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► different and even if it's not great but the thing with flags and the reason why [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► I will still push back against you on this is that I think a vital part of a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► flag is not just its uniqueness but it's not the people who live under that flag [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► should want to put that flag on things that they have so I feel like everybody [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► should have a flag that they can attach to their backpack right or that they can [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► fly from their house everyone should have that and so the original liberian [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► County flags if you lived in one of those counties and you were super proud [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► of it and you wanted to demonstrate that to the world you had a terrible terrible [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► choice of flag [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► so that's why I'm going to push back to you as I think everybody deserves to [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► live under a flag that they can proudly fly half years yet saying because I have [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► not have you yet seen anyone from liberia or anyone who lives in any of [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► these counties criticized the flax and say they don't like them cuz you and [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► I've had a road loss and we've seen on reddit having a laugh and saying these [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► are the worst flags on the way out but it's entirely possible the people of [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► river gee County [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► their flags awesome if you told me just to say go with that so i didnt know you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► stop inmates ya gotta gotta gotta push back I did I would never want to just [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► give you a hard but I mean it it maybe maybe maybe the incredibly proud and if [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► we were saying these things on a podcast in liberia would be tried for treason I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► mean this is this is the part where I have to admit that I know almost nothing [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► about the great nation of Liberia Vicky county is pronounced like that I [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► definitely know that yeah expert in pronunciation for liberia counties but I [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► don't know I know you CDP Grade II don't you know it's it's because nobody [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► English now is because English doesn't have any decision rules English just [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► like to pretend that it does I don't know that I don't know that refugee [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► county has a place called the Fishtown so I think it's also although it does [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► seem to be land-locked but I guess I freshwater fish or its just a great name [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► yeah but I have seen nine their opponents nor d ponents of the Liberian [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► County flags that are from liberia so I i have seen no no feedback on either end [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► and my guess [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► my guess is this is a lot like the city flags in the United States which is that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► just most people don't have the slightest idea what the flag of their [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► local city is this is normally one of these times when I would make a comment [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► like they were going to be hearing from everyone from liberia but I don't [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► imagine imagine that we're actually going to get a lot of Liberians me back [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► on this one [TS]

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00:20:55 ◼   ► I was sad you know where you know where you going next he said I've got to go to [TS]

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00:21:03 ◼   ► the next place was in a hurry as well as she actually wants to be like a singer [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► in a band and she was like auditioning that now and then the next person who [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► drove me to the next place was like who was picking up her kids from soccer [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► practice after she gave me a lift and i suddenly occurred to me and i know this [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► country for taxi drivers but it seems even more the case with a bad driving me [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► like these people driving seventy miles an hour along highways he could kill me [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► with the terms of a steering wheel and they just thought these random selection [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► of people and their only qualification is that they have a mobile phone and [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► they have a driver's license [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► well I didn't say that drivers license I'm assuming they went through some [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► process to prove that but the driver's license process is very rigorous very [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► make a case like a job and it's at least I know nothing about this person had [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► crashes they are they do not like I still like me but I still think its coat [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► it really won me over but there were a few moments i think im quite sensitive [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► to it especially since we spoke earlier about that the terrible car crash when [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► the mathematician John Nash Titan when he was going back from the airport and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► that was a taxi that was a taxi crash right but ever since then especially [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► when I'm in america driving from airports highways I'm always thinking [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► I'm always conscious that my life is in other people's hands much more so than [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► when I fly yeah [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► probably cuz I could see the person driving using their mobile phone and [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► stuff yeah and I think driving in america is scarier as I i over most of [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► the time just around London and there are unaware like okay even if we get [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► into a car crash how fast can we possibly be going in a head-on collision [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► exactly like London London traffics [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► whereas in america you have big stretches where you you can you can get [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► up to seventy miles an hour and then you head-on collision with somebody else [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► going seventy miles in the other direction right this driving in america [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► is definitely more of a dangerous experience also the fact that such a [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► mobile phone [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► oriented platform drivers even more than taxi drivers always seem to be attached [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► to their phones are always using the map steroids use in the apps they're very [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► phone obsessed and I think mobile phones [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► a very dangerous and I'm very conscious of how often they looking at their [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► phones and the map sitting in their lap and stuff like that I think I actually [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► said to one of the drivers to give you some have something into the Apple you [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► can't use the phone while you're doing this so that because because it wasn't [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► your finds no no no there's nothing like this again is is the interesting [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► difference of of how things are around the world because it again at least in [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► London the phones that they get our only usable for uber and they are issued by [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► who were there like factory installed I phones that run who bring nothing else [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► which is why in London almost all of the drivers have a larry is Lee at least two [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and sometimes three phones attached to their dashboard precisely because her [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► phone can only be used for over and so the one at bring up other stuff on the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► other phone so they have like two different [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► like software for reading the directions of the loaded up on Google Maps and [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► something else it so I'm always aware of like this many many scream phenomenon at [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the front of the cars and it extra funny when whatever car they're using has a [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► built-in screen that they're obviously not using because their phone screens [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► are just superior so actually there's four screens and the front of this car [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► ok you got her phone you have your secondary GPS and you have what is [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► obviously your personal phone and the built-in screen in the actual car itself [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► as a lot of screens the other thing that came out time and again when I was [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► talking to overdrive is was this rival app code lift ya know this is something [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► I've never used because I believe it's only in the United States I don't think [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► it's it's it's in the UK but I've always gotten vaguely the impression that like [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► lift is for hippies they can share ridesharing kind of thing I didn't get [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that impression but to have like pink mustaches on the front of their cars you [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► know this is this is the kind of company that it is in my mind I have no idea [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► most of the drivers tough we using both over and lift simultaneously and they [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► all failed lift and they gave me a few reasons one of the big reasons was the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► ability for passengers to tip and I did you did you proud great idea prayer I [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► gave them a real hard time about that I told them why didn't like the obvious [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► reasons you know chris is recreate the tipping culture and you start could [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► start getting assessed based on your tipping and actually what they told me [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► and I was told us a few times I don't I haven't checked myself but I was told a [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► few times the tipping actually works in quite an interesting way you do the tip [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► afterwards anonymously via phone and they don't find out who tipped them at [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the end of the day at the end of the week they just get their tips and they [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► don't know where they came from [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► so they like it because if they do really well they can you know it gives [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► them something to strive for beyond just getting another 5 stars you know they [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► could get the tip or your replays to give them a tip [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► but it did sound like that pressure and awkwardness wasn't there and there was [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► no gym no judging because no one knows who tip so I don't know if it's true [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that's what they said when I challenged so it wasn't really actually just shut [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► or she's getting pretty smart she's I just sent you said in one of those left [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► cars with the mustache apparently this is a thing that they no longer do but I [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► was certainly thinking mio crazy person for imagining that that used to be pink [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► mustaches on cars and now I'm not a crazy person I looked it up and yes it [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► is used to do that way that you described tipping is a very interesting [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► idea that I have ever come across before the idea of delayed mass tipping I think [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► I think my initial reaction to that is I find it much more acceptable [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► like in a restaurant if tipping work that way right that you could do it [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► later and it's distributed amongst a large number of customers so that the [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► waiters don't know directly I think that I think it's interesting I think the [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► idea people are fundamentally cheap nice so like I think without the social [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► pressure of tipping tips may come down this is why my fundamental thing with [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► tips they always need to remind people argue against tips heart part of the [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► argument that is unspoken [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► is that you have to raise the wage for people who depend on tips [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► scrooge here thinking these tips and not add anything else I would rather raise [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► the wage and removed the tips I think if under those circumstances if tipping was [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► not required it was done later and anonymously I think I would probably [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► very rarely do it and again like with all the other stuff is way more about [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► just like having to think about it but I don't know I don't know maybe maybe I [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► would just I would just set it as the default amount of tip I know it's an [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► interesting idea that's a very interesting idea that I haven't come [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► across before after think about this for a little bit [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► we have we have a note here about the the vote looms the deadline for our vote [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► looms for the flags I mean this could possibly be a final warning before I [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► mean the next time you listen to the podcast about myself maybe too late to [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► vote so this could be the last time you listen to the Internet broadcast and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► still have the option of voting and Affleck referendum that's how high the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► stakes are now this is going to be the last podcasts before the hour before we [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► count the votes I guess I think so it's certainly going to be the last podcast [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► you listen to that where you have a chance chance of sending a postcard [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► makes it in time but even that of realizing as we're speaking is somewhat [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► in doubt because we are recording this podcast and are at our usual time but [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► this one may be out a bit late because I have some other things that I have to [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► prioritize above it so I actually don't know when this one is going to go out [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and how much time they will be it may be that you have to be in the UK to get the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► postcard in on time we'll have to see you just like they are been adding three [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► or four days to every day as well for the podcast if you say it's gonna be out [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► Monday I said to myself [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► Thursday yeah that's an excellent that's an excellent piece of advice it's funny [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► cuz I try to do that to myself when I make estimates and I'll come up with an [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► initial estimate and I'll go yeah but I never make it on time let me add a few [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► days and of course you can't overestimate for yourself you're still [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► always wrong even if you try to incorporate your own overestimating said [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► however I say whenever I tell you Brady any deadlines you should just [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► automatically add a few days to that and I know very the deadline is looming I [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► have next to me right now probably a thousand but probably closer to two [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► thousand postcards in a box [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► votes his his his listen here there is some of them that is the sound of actual [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► ballot election [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► yeah well you you weighed them and then I was asking you I was I was pestering [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► you for a while to wait ten of them yeah we could do an estimate for the total [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► amount and at least one that was maybe about a week ago the calculation came [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► out to be about 1,800 postcards then and I presume that you've gotten more since [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► that point [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► soho last time we were discussing we're thinking like maybe we'll get a thousand [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► and we're clearly going to get double that at this stage so yeah it's it's [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► gonna be a lot of votes to count that's for sure I love looking through these by [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► the way I know you keep telling me off and telling me not to but yet listeners [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► listeners Brady keep spoiling himself and me by constantly going through [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► fingering looking at all of these postcards I'm just minding my own [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► business and Brady sends instant message after instant message of interesting [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► post card and I feel like they're just spoilers I want to go there and just and [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► count them all and see them home once but Brady can't help himself you like [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► you're like a little kid I'm not telling you what's getting a lot of votes so [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► what's gonna win the violin just sending you the pictures and it doesn't know [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► what that is [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► that's when someone says the movie's great there's a twist I haven't pulled [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► anything but I'm just telling you that there's no no no it's not it's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► completely down let me tell you what's completely different because the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► election is all about what's on the back of these post cuts who's voted for what [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► right I have sent you or told you nothing whatsoever about that nothing [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► and now the only thing I'm spoiling is where some of them are from are some of [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► the funny pictures but trust me great there is no way in one day you will be [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► able to get anywhere near saying the mall it is overwhelming how many there [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► are and how different so if I send you some funny one that's been sent to have [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► some bridge in Norway like you probably would have seen on the day anyway [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► because we're gonna be concentrating on the back of the postcards mostly that [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► day I so so I'm not spoiling anything I'm just I'm just excited it's like I've [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► got all my presence and I just wanna feel the presence of beer [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► yeah we're the kind of kid open Christmas presents earlier but you were [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► now I'm not definitely not definitely not but but I tell you I know it's going [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► to be one by one that I don't want to win I decided that I feel it in my bones [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► but I do like the most [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► gonna be alright I am going to act like a monarch and I have officially decided [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► not to vote in the flag referendum unless unless by some miracle if the tie [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► a tie then he'll think I will cast cast a ballot but that's that's that's my [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► that's my thought is that I am NOT going to cast the vote because I think when [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► you write something down in my mind I still can't please these flags really in [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► a in a definitive 125 order and I think when you sit down and you write [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► something out it solidifies something in your mind and I think you know what no [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► no here's what I'm going to do I'm just I am leaving myself open to the hello [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► Internet nation ready to accept what they decide should be the flag and I [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► think writing down an ordered list would bias my own feelings toward the actual [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► election so that's my conclusion I am I am NOT going to vote in the election but [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► have you sent to vote in Brady I have not and I'm thinking pretty much the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► same way as you that I like the idea of having not voted I have owned is only [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► one thing I hope to the election I hope secretly in my heart that it goes to a [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► second round I hope that one flag doesn't winner in the first to like [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► doesn't get over fifty percent in the first record I so so hope that we have [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► to distribute preferences because that's the thing I'm most looking yeah I will [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► be disappointed if we don't have to distribute preferences I would be [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► shocked if one of them gets more than 50 percent on the first round I I will be [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► absolutely shocked if that occurs [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► ok but I will also be deeply disappointed in a way that we don't get [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► to crank through the mechanics of a second preference around in the [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► collection I had it I had to be my leg said today that was all about [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► coincidences and I thought this amazing and then I was thinking how could I [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► possibly bring this into the podcast in a way that would make great even pretend [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► to be interested he lost the battle yeah I I thought of like 10 different ways I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► could sell it to you in the end I just threw it away so there's just nothing [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► there is nothing about coincidences that could ever excite great in any way of [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► course that of course I meet you and try to sell me on the most amazing one no I [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► don't think you would I think two guys in tibet could start their own podcast [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► code greetings internet and they could be called Bradley Aaron and CGP brown [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► and you would just say cause that's going to happen there are so many people [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► making put across these days and there are only so many names in the world of [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► course that was going to happen eventually [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► yeah that is exactly what I would say I think I don't know how to do this before [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► my favorite example of of coincidences is the Dennis the Menace comic strip if [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► I told you this but not an exact Dennis the Menace published in the united [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► states I think it was just a post-world war two comic strip when it started but [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► on the same day that it debuted in the united states in the United Kingdom [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► someone else also debuted comic called Dennis the Menace with the exact same [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► premise so they can not only did two people come up with the same idea but [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► they ended up publishing the first comic on the same exact day [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► this is this is why I like coincidences like that of course you're going to get [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► coincidences it's just it's almost impossible not to when you have a huge [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► number of people so they can be interesting but they're also just [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► totally unremarkable and the problem that I have with coincidences is usually [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► people than one to try to look for look for meaning behind them as we know [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► there's there's no meaning what there is is there's just billions of people on [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► earth they would be astounded if there weren't coincidences somewhere [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► talked about coincidences it's a it's a good decision it's like you shouldn't [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► talk to me about his morty dreams at least now I don't even start man ok cuz [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► I i think with the right amount of knowledge and expertise you might be [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► able to glean something from dreams because they are based on you know your [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► brain and inputs and outputs and I'm not saying I have the expertise and I'm [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► gonna sit here and talk to you about my dreams but I'm just saying no one has [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► expertise I'm just saying there I'm just saying there is something to dream that [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► there is like you know there is something to that that that's not that's [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► not gobbledygook is just beyond our ability to understand and therefore we [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► imbue it with silly meaning when you say that it was are beyond beyond our [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► ability to understand y you're implying that there's some that there's something [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► to understand there as opposed to what it is which is nightly hallucinations [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► that you connect into meaning later on because that's what the human brain does [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► it's a it's a pattern creation machine even when there's no pattern there like [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► that that's that's all it happens I don't believe that I don't believe that [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► because because I'm not I'm not saying they have like any predictive power yeah [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► yeah if you were saying that I mean I'd start cutting you off to the looney bin [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► but I mean you can't deny that you know if you having a stressful time in your [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► life you have a certain type of dream and if if there are certain things going [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► on your dreams change and that there is a correlation between what your dreams [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and what's happening in your real life I mean you must say that you must you must [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► acknowledge that surely you know when people going through traumatic times [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► they dreams become more dramatic or or the link may not always even be that [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► direct but there is like a there is a link between what's happening in your [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► dreams and what's happening in your life [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► yeah because you lose a nations are constructed from pieces of your life how [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► how could it be any other way but yeah I mean like I will totally grant you that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► there is a correlation between what happens in your life and what happens in [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► your dreams and the worst example for me of this ever [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► my very first year of teaching me and this other and cutie that I worked with [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► we both discussed how in that first year in the first few months the worst thing [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► ever was [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► you would spend all of your waking hours at work at school doing school stuff and [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► then because there was your only experience you would go home and your [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► dreams would be dreams about being at school and you'd wake up and have to do [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► it all over again and it felt like an internal nightmare of always doing [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► school so like yeah but then but that's just a case where they you only have one [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► thing to dream about and it's the thing that you're doing all day long so of [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► course there's going to be some correlation but that doesn't mean that [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► there's like meaning to be derived from the dream like that I think that's just [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► a step too far let me put this to you then mister CGP grey who always thinks [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that humans are merely computers yeah your computer doesn't take this your [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► computer if your computer if a bunch of stuff came out of your computer are you [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► looking through all this sort of code and stuff that was going on under the [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► hood of your computer you would never just completely dismiss that and say oh [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► well that's just random and means nothing because it came from your [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► computer and therefore even if it was something I wasn't supposed to do [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► it came from something and as a cause and the right Expert could look at it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► and say I yes I see what's going on here or something has gone wrong on this is [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► what it's doing because the computer can only do what a computer can do and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► therefore if a brain is a computer if it's serving up all this to say that [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► means nothing just how those nations you should ignore that well no because if my [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► computer is doing something must be doing it for a reason must be like I'm [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► not saying we're supposed to remember a dreams and then use them in a life [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► always with you baby you always moving the goalposts underneath me and now [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you're having a discussion about do dreams serve a function in the brain and [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► my answer to that is obviously yes like humans dream there must be something [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► that the brain is doing during this time that is useful to the brain [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► otherwise it wouldn't do it but that doesn't mean that there is meaning to be [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► derived of our subjective experience of what is occurring in the dream state [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► like that's that's a whole other thing are you telling me if I gave you some [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► machine that was able to completely project someone's dream like record them [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► like a yeah that exists yeah yeah imagine I gave you that and i said im [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► gonna give you that person over those dreams the last 10 years are you telling [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► me that data is useless no I'm not saying that data is useless because we [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► just said before that you could derive probabilities about a person's life from [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► their dreams like oh this person looks like maybe they're a teacher because [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► they went through a big favor they were dreaming about teaching all the time [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► but that doesn't mean that there's anything for the dreamer to derive from [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► their dreams but if you're asking me like is a machine that is capable of [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► peering inside someone else is bringing a useful machine like well yes obviously [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► that would be useful you could derive information from that of course the baby [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► almost impossible not to I'm just saying that I don't think there's anything [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► really to learn from your own dreams and I also I also have this very very deep [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► suspicion that if this machine existed that allowed you to watch someone else's [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► dream or watch your own dreams I am absolutely confident that being able to [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► see them objectively would leave them out for the borderline nonsensical [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► hallucinations that they are because I think when you wake up leader you are [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► imposing order on a thing that was not full of order at the time I that that's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► what I think is occurring as you wake up and think you're constructing a story [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► out of a series of nonsensical random events and so then you feel like oh let [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► me tell people about my dream and Anna when you listen to those stories they're [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► already borderline crazy stories but I think like you've pulled so much order [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► out of a thing that didn't exist so yeah yeah I mean I agree with that I agree [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► agree that you know even sometimes dreams you remember that they've pretty [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► freaky and we are all over the place and it's almost impossible for a human to [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► relay something like that in a way that isn't a story like I think that's just [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the way our brains remember things I just don't think that it's like and [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► usable I think I think maybe in the future when we understand things a bit [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► better we may even we may be able to get more use out of them then we do me [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► realize I don't mean use I mean almost like diagnosed ickes [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► I guess you're talking about used to third parties but yet but not used to [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you the dreamer because again you're describing a machine that can look [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► inside someone's mind and I would say yes obviously that is useful but like I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► said he might be able to use it to help you die so right but i'm saying you [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► looking at your own dreams like ok whatever man you just reading the tea [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► leaves of your own life there's nothing really hear you're just everything that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► you think is there you are putting their there's nothing really there that [TS]

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00:45:30 ◼   ► Larry Niven and Jerry pointelle basically this is set in the future in [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► humans are traveling all around the galaxy this area of space called Kosek [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► that some people say resembles the face of God is a big red star in the middle [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► that supposedly looks likely I and in front of that RI from some angles is a [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► small a yellow star and that's the mote in God's are so that's where the title [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► comes from now humans have never been to that stuff but all that changes in this [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► book when some serious stuff goes down and what they find their looks pretty [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► important to the future of everything it's a really clever story I remember [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► being really impressed by some of the ideas in it and the audiobook weighs in [TS]

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00:46:17 ◼   ► break now I've said before the books are a great way to catch up on all sorts of [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► stories I love listening to them when I'm out walking the dogs are on long [TS]

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00:47:00 ◼   ► mote in God's eye and the URL they're all important web address [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► audible.com / hello internet and no no you came from the show [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► alright brady you are back from america have you have you had that have you had [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► the bravery to waive yourself with myself I did one I did when a few days [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► ago after I got back and I had increased by 1.3 kilograms 1.3 kilograms and how [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► long were you in America for three weeks I mean honestly I feel like that's not [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► too bad I felt like I dodged a bullet to be honest I haven't been eating well [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► since I got back either so I think it might be even more now there's always an [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► america half life where you come back and because the food is so good in [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► america it takes a little while to adjust you would still eat crap when you [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► return even though I have always promised myself on the plane coming back [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► from america all gone now I'm going to be really good now but now it doesn't it [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► never happens like this you need a few days to adjust yeah you gotta weigh [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► yourself of all that fat and just before we recorded you sent me a picture of a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► pizza with only looking at it like super spectacular peeps it was the name of it [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► or something like it was like it was the favorite run 5,000 calories that's for [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► sure but yes I gotta gotta say I think you could have definitely done way worse [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► I think if I was in America for the same period of time I would have done way [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► worse you know [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► all agree with you there you dodged a bullet dodged a bullet on that one [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► how you don't it was interesting because we I mean it's been basically a month [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► since we did our way and because you were in America he said we're not going [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► to do it while you're there couldn't be consistent and I think I realized that [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► with you my weight buddy gone I was thinking about this stuff just a little [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► bit less maybe and so I was actually quite surprised when I stepped on the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► scale today I I was essentially within the measurement error the exact same way [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► that I was a month ago I was like point three pounds which is zero kilograms [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► down but you know my daily weight varies by much much more than that so just [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► interesting to see that I have hit like a little plant town that has stayed [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► roughly the same for a month but I was just surprised that because we hadn't [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► done the way and it hadn't even crossed my mind has moved in quite a while so [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► yeah I am but I think there's there's something like my brain isn't doing the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► comparison to the fixed point of the last way in just to wear today that I [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► had no idea what the last way in number was I had to go look it up and then do [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► the math so it's like my brain was pushing it to the side but now that [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► you're back in the UK now thats will be weighing in again in two weeks time I [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► think maybe it'll be more the four of my mind but maybe not but maybe I'm really [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► stuck at a plateau need to change things up again to to continue the weight loss [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► we will hopefully I can get my act together just since spiral of food [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► naughtiness at the moment and they to the best of us [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► I wanted to quickly ask you about the iPad pro as you know I don't listen to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► your fetish podcast but you did talk about on that I understand yeah yeah I [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► pick one up on the day of release [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► all I want is should I get one for Christmas cos cos I haven't I don't [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► there's nothing I really want for Christmas and my wife's that will come [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► get you something and i dont wanna watch anymore and a porch of Afghan off that [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► probably for your own good to go off that so I Pad Pro at a lot I do like the [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► idea of that I have absolutely no use for I think I've said before I'm a [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► sucker for anything with pro in the know I think I think this is why I think this [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► is why you getting drawn in by this device perot and Brady things i would [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► like to have the pro things I like a lot of code YouTube red YouTube pro [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► actually not a bad idea that would have made me think it was also well I mean I [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► like you cheap I prefer the provision myself so I'm like that with everything [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► so idk the original iPad and used to like times and then put in a draw but [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► now there's an iPad pro I'm not falling for this and I'm completely open about [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► it I love that I love that I loved you fall for it and that you also know this [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► about yourself I'm wondering what's going to happen when Apple inevitably [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► makes the Apple watch perot [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► definitely get one of them right and was going to say no to that exactly like you [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► haven't got a price you call yourself professional should I get an iPad pro ok [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► so that that's a hard question to answer because he's you either say the say yes [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► but you say no [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► here's my thinking about this has been thinking about this ok let's say I [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► didn't know anything about someone and they just needed to buy an iPad they [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► said which iPad should I buy if I didn't know anything about the person the [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► correct answers to buy the iPad [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► or two which is like the medium-sized superlight one and then if you have a [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► particular reason to get the perot you should get the perot but I don't have [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► any idea what do you think you're going to do with the iPad pro aside from just [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► feel smug sense of satisfaction that you home the pro version of this device like [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► that pretty much sums it up against all I want for Christmas is a sense the smug [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► satisfaction money come by that actually the best thing money money I just feel [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like a new toy you know yeah you want a new toy like it's it's huge in person [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► it's a really big in person it feels like a dinner plates in person actually [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► do you have your laptop is like the 15 inch MacBook Pro i think is that right [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► yeah I haven't got here it's yeah yeah yeah but you own that laptop yeah the [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► iPad Pro is essentially the size of that screen right that's that's the size of [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► it within within like a quarter inch and so we can hear is a big big screen and [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► if you're not planning on doing work on it like I got the iPad pro to do work [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► and so far I absolutely love it for work like the the video that I'm currently [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► working on I did just a ton of the scripts on that iPad perot the final [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► version like it's really really nice to work on but if you're not going to do [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► that then the question is well it's a total counter machine or are you going [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► to want to sit on the couch and browse the web or read books on your iPad or [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► watch TV on your iPad I don't think you do any of those things kind of guy but [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► maybe I'm wrong I don't know I don't watch TV and movies on my laptop every [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► not and I do spend the first hour of most mornings when I wake up just [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► sitting in bed [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► that's what I like to my email and all the things I can just do without my big [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► machine [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► web stuff I do that but I did on my laptop so having a big having a big [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► which has got bored so I sort of think what if I had the big screen of the iPad [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► price I could sit and do my email check on my YouTube channels everything first [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► thing in the morning but I do that now my laptop and a so much easier with a [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► keyboard to be no bang out females yeah if you think you're funny that you wake [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► up and doing email from bed to remember that the next time I get an email from [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► me sent this before getting dressed in the morning but yeah if you want to do [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► that that sounds like he needed you need a keyboard then again I don't think the [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► iPad perot is what you want to do unless you're you know you're really happy [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► about typing with your fingers on glass and it has that little keyboard but I [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► don't think that keyboard work really well if you're trying to do it in bed [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► with the laptop balance on your chest to spend probably an hour a day maybe in [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► Photoshop so and I do use pen like I use a Wacom tablet all the time so I do I [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► could imagine that but my use of photoshop and my use of the pen is very [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► very integrated with my editing on avid largest-ever on my own one of my big [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► computers those two processors are so intertwined yeah and every everything I [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► know about you bruce says this is this is not the thing that you want to do to [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► integrate a new tool into this workflow so I think the only selling point for [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► this for you is if there's some point where you want a lounge around and just [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► use this doesn't sound like you really have you really have a place for this [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► strange like I iced it with my laptop on my lap [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► on my phone in my hand here's the thing just just with the experience that I [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► have had with my cuz I i have the iPad pro in the regular size iPad it feels [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► ridiculous to be sitting next to my wife with the iPad Pro for lounging time [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► because just like I was saying we're watching TV but then I want to have the [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► iPad in front of me because I'm not paying full attention to whatever is on [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► the screen but the screen in front of me that feels so huge it feels almost [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► obtrusive and so I actually prefer to use a smaller iPad if I'm just sitting [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► on the couch with my wife thing do you do that I don't do that the iPad Pro is [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► good for the main thing that I'm using for it has a bigger screen to write [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► scripts and you had your scripts too well this is a whole as a whole thing [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► for the moment I'm doing this typing but the iPad pro screen is big enough that [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► what I've been doing is I can have the script on the left two-thirds of the [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► screen and I have a little notes file on the right third of the screen so I have [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► two different text files open at the same time one of the things that I wants [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► to do with the iPad Pro is a thing that I've done before which is used the [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► stylists to make editing corrections on the script that is really useful to me [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► but the pen is not currently available so I haven't been able to try it with [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► that so I don't know if it will be useful for that yet or not but for me [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► having a bigger screen to write is really useful seems like he should just [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► be using a laptop yeah you would think so but I like the simplicity of using [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► iOS I find the constraints of an iPad helpful so that's one of the reasons why [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► I like doing that like I've set up my iPad pro to basically only have the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► tools necessary to write it doesn't have everything the laptop can have I can [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► spend a lot of time fiddling around with it it's like luck [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► there's six programs on this thing which are designed for work and those are just [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► the ones that you're going to use it so I I find that very helpful I really like [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► that but i dont no breeding doesn't sound like it's a it's a total sales for [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► you unless you really value that feeling of smug satisfaction I feel like you're [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► always talking he added getting Apple products I talk you out of them because [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► I care bTW I really do as much as I would love to see you use an apple [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► watching I think it might be hilarious I don't think he would like it and just [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► the conversation with you now I dont see a super slam dunk selling case for the [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► iPad pro I don't think it would help you with the kind of work that you do me as [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► a youtuber using an iPad as much as I do is extraordinarily rare and iPad is not [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► well designed for the kind of work that most normal you two words do just that [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► for making my video is a huge part of it is writing and the iPad happens to be a [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► nice writing tool but if I didn't have to do a lot of writing I would have very [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► little work justification for iPad I would not be able to use this tool as [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► much as I do so that's why talking to you like I don't think it's going to [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► help you with your work so it's just a question of if you want a lounge around [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► with a dinner tray sized screen on the couch personal much is an estate agent [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► ok and I saw him stopping over his cars now my experience estate agents always [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► have one of two cars these days they either have like small little novelty [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► cars like smart cars and stuff that are painted weird colors with the branding [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► of the estate agent by the mobile ads and also that makes them easy to park I [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► getting into little space is when they're showing houses and things like [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► that or they have their normal rich person car like a classy BMW ok I'm [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► wondering what is the better to pull up in when you're trying to a [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► sell a house to someone or get someone's business to sell their house because [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► part of me thinks if they turn up in like a reflash I also think it's like [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► about counters and other professional people I deal with do I prefer it when I [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► see them with a really flashy expensive for what I prefer the head like a more [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► humble as if they've got like a reflash expensive says to me are they successful [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► that they make a lot of money and that's good but then I also think we're making [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► a lot of money order made before they're ready for this is easy this is easy if [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► you are a professional who is directly helping somebody else make money then [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► you want to show up in the in the fancy car you want to show up in the BMW right [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► otherwise you want to show up in the normal car that that's the way you want [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► to do this if you like if you're helping the person make money like your estate [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► agent and you're doing this thing where you are helping the person sell their [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► house when you wanna show up in the BMW was like look I sell a lot of houses I [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► can afford this car because I sell a lot of houses that's that's the way you [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► should do when you're when you're helping someone find a house to buy then [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► you wanna show up in the normal car because then they're much more we're [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► like this [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► estate agent is making money off of us when we buy this house and look at all [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► this money that we're spending you don't want to see the person in the BMW at [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► that point what kind you want your accountant to have because they're [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► helping you save money but they charging you phase what kind you want your [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► account tied to have I think an accountant wants to project an image of [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► boring sensibility so I don't really know very much about cars but I would [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► want my accountant to project boring this and Sensibility like my accountant [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► should have been a red Tesla I would feel a bit [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► I don't know about this guy who seems to seems crazy flashy for unaccounted 2012 [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► same wealthy this is this is a mammogram suddenly wishing I knew any car brands [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► by name a scientist so I could pull something out [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► would be like oh this is the car that's the appropriate one but I know I know [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► nothing I mean even BMW BMW is just an abstract notion in my mind like oh [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► inexpensive rich person's car is at 1 p.m. W is I don't really even now when [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► you don't need to give me a brand new car just you want to be your to you when [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► your account to be wealthy like that to to appear like someone that is lots and [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► lots of money or do you think we'll hang on how skies phase of you can afford [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► that those are two different questions obviously I do want my accountant to be [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► wealthy because that indicates that they are a good accountant but it is very [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► different from showing up in a flash car right those are two different things [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► that's why I'm saying like I want the I want to have this feeling like oh this [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► accountant is a really sensible person and they have an obviously nice car was [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► not a crazy car you when you you'd want them to turn up in a Volvo then with [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► like air bags everywhere and you know it's safest possible car and you want [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► them to be really cautious sensible safe person you don't want to turn up on a [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► motorbike ya feelin counting down the final motorbike that the end of my life [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► I don't think you're good with numbers that's that's what I'm getting out of [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► this meeting [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► yes that's my feeling if you're helping someone who earn money directly then you [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► can show up with your flash car ok does the estate agents by you have two [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► different cars all the head he has his personal I mean two cars in addition to [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► his personal car across the street is there a Tesla a smart car and the Volvo [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► and the voters his personal car in the new pics the other two depending on the [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► day I don't think it works like that I think he's just got his peers pokey [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► branded and then he's got his BMW that he takes to go from the weekends [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► imagined he would deny I just think about I think about that a lot I think [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► about what kind of your account to drive I don't know if he tries because I gotta [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► go to his office which carries his I do have like a financial guy that's helped [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► out with a few things like mortgage stuff he drives a Jaguar Jaguar and I [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► did notice I did not just the car they come in so what kind of car should [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► YouTube drive that's a good question when you pull up to do interviews at the [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► spiritual home of numberphile were you to be driving the car what kind of car [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► do you think you should drive to give a good impression to your interviewees [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► China doing a project wealth power and success [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► ready to go for academic street cred and pull up in a dinky car like a PhD [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► student would be driving I may not have a very practical car with lots of [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► storage for my camera bags and things like that I think I like having having a [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► big big for your bags and stuff what kind would you give you gonna get me if [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► i could get any car get a test test which you get that one of the sporty one [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► so would you get more family 10 well I mean I don't have children I don't need [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► one of the family cars get those said Danny looking ones are you get those [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► ones you get those ones that look like racing kart racing kart those whatever I [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► forget this is the worst car person in the world among the interested in test [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► the leg I'm super interested in Tesla but that is almost entirely because they [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► go it is a computer on wheels and this is why this car is interesting to me and [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► it has none of the pieces of a normal car so I know nothing about how the [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► engines of car was work I know nothing about gear differentials and I care [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► about none of this is because of Tesla lacks all of that is precisely why I'm [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► interested in it but I went once and just for fun like tried to design a test [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► light on the website of like if I had the money and if I had any reason to own [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► a car what would i get for myself and i ended up just designing what would see [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► me just seemed like the normal middle test look are ya in black with [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► understated interior like that's what I would get if I was going to own a car [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► but I have no reason to drive ever and I would not be getting a Tesla anytime [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► soon [TS]

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01:09:27 ◼   ► Squarespace build it beautiful we've been talking for ages and ages about [TS]

01:09:34 ◼   ► talking about artificial intelligence and it keeps getting putting back we [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► kept saying all this talk about it next time let's talk about it next time and [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► we never gonna do it today we never do it because there's always end up at the [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► bottom of the list and just all of the brady corners and listening emails and [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► everything always takes up so much time that we ever actually we never actually [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► get to it and even now it's like room was two hours into this thing right [TS]

01:10:01 ◼   ► have led to cut so I am going to have to cut up yeah yeah but dreams toughest [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► teams doubly right now it's not gonna go it is taken us so long to get to this [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► day I topic that kind of forgotten everything that I ever wanted to say cuz [TS]

01:10:21 ◼   ► they give you are giving the background of this which is I read this book called [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► Super intelligence by Nick Bostrom several months ago now we have two year [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► ago now it's been so long since we originally put this on the topic list [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► but there are many things that go on to the topic list and then I kind of color [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► them as time goes on because you realize like a couple months later I don't [TS]

01:10:48 ◼   ► really care about this anymore but this topic has stayed on here because that [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► book has been one of these books that has really just stuck with me over time [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► like I find myself continually thinking back to that book and some of the things [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► that it raised so I think we need to talk a little bit about artificial [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► intelligence today but I have to apologize in advance if i seemed a [TS]

01:11:16 ◼   ► little bit foggy on the details because this was supposed to be a topic months [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► and months ago now I'm size that's my phone really say it is it is the show's [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► fault for being so follow up that's right we're trying to build a nation [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► hear these things these things are difficult yeah rome wasn't built in a [TS]

01:11:35 ◼   ► day [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► go on and what's that when do we stop let's define out social intelligence [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► that would help me when we are talking about artificial intelligence for the [TS]

01:11:46 ◼   ► purpose of this conversation what we mean is not intelligence in the narrow [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► sense that computers are capable of solving certain problems today what [TS]

01:11:56 ◼   ► we're really talking about is what sometimes referred to as like a general [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► purpose intelligence creating something that his smarts and smart in such a way [TS]

01:12:07 ◼   ► that it can go beyond the original parameters of what it was told to do is [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► a self-learning we can talk a self-learning is is one way that this [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► can happen but yeah we're talking about like something that is smart and so on [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► and so maybe the best way to to say this is that it can do things that are [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► unexpected to the creator writer because it is intelligent on its own in the same [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► way that like if you have a kid you can't predict with the kid is always [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► going to do because music is a general-purpose intelligence like [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► they're smart and they can come up with solutions and they can do things that [TS]

01:12:46 ◼   ► surprise you [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► ok so the reason that this [TS]

01:12:49 ◼   ► book and this topic has stuck with me is because I have found my mind changed on [TS]

01:12:59 ◼   ► this topic [TS]

01:13:00 ◼   ► somewhat against my will and so I would say that for almost all of my life [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► much I'm sure to the surprise at listen as I would have placed myself very [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► strongly in the camp of sort of techno optimists of Mora technology faster [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► always it's nothing but sunshine and rainbows ahead and I would always see [TS]

01:13:25 ◼   ► when people would talk about like oh the rise of the machines like Terminator [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► style all the robots are gonna come and kill us I was always very very [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► dismissive of this and in no small part because those movies are ridiculous like [TS]

01:13:37 ◼   ► I totally love Terminator and terminator 2 perhaps one of the best sequels ever [TS]

01:13:40 ◼   ► made a really fun but it's not a serious movie yet sometimes people end up [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► seeming to like take that very seriously like the robots are going to come kill [TS]

01:13:50 ◼   ► us all in my view on this was always like okay maybe we will create smart [TS]

01:13:56 ◼   ► machines someday in the future but I was always just operating under the [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► assumption that like when when we do that though will be cyborgs like it will [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► be the machines already or will be creating machines obviously to help us [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► so I was never really convinced that there was any kind of problem here but [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► this book change my mind so that I am now much more in the camp of artificial [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► intelligence its development can seriously present and existential threat [TS]

01:14:32 ◼   ► to humanity in the in the same way that like an asteroid collision from outer [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► space is what you would classify as a serious existential threat to humanity [TS]

01:14:41 ◼   ► like it's just over four people that's where I find myself now and I just keep [TS]

01:14:46 ◼   ► thinking about this because I'm uncomfortable with having this opinion [TS]

01:14:49 ◼   ► like sometimes your mind changes and you don't want to change and if I like too [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► much better when I just thought that the future was always going to be great and [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► there's not any kind of problem and this just keeps popping up in my head [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► because if you like I do think there is a problem here this book has sold me on [TS]

01:15:06 ◼   ► the fact that there's a there's a potential problem I mean we saw that [TS]

01:15:09 ◼   ► petition didn't read recently signed by all those heavy hitters to the [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► government's telling them not to use I and kind of military applications so [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► this is obviously like your not the only person thinking this way this is [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► obviously at this bit of a thing at the moment isn't it yeah it's it's it's [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► definitely become a thing I've been I've been trying to i've been trying to trace [TS]

01:15:31 ◼   ► the pattern of this and it definitely seems like I am NOT the only person who [TS]

01:15:36 ◼   ► has found this book convincing and actually who are talking about Tesla [TS]

01:15:40 ◼   ► before Elon Musk made some public remarks about this book which I think [TS]

01:15:45 ◼   ► kicked off a bunch of people and he actually about ten million dollars to [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► fund working on what's called the control problem which is one of the [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► fundamental worries about a I like he put his money where his mouth is about [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► like actually he does think that this is a real threat to humanity to the tune of [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► its worth putting down ten million dollars as a way to try to work on some [TS]

01:16:09 ◼   ► of the problems far far in advance and yeah it's just it's interesting to see [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► an idea spread and and catch on and and kind of go through a bunch of people so [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► yeah I never never would have thought that I would find myself here and I feel [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► are most likely like a crazy person talking about like a hobo but Michael is [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► in the future but I don't know why I'm I unexpectedly find myself much more on [TS]

01:16:34 ◼   ► that side that I ever I ever thought that I would I mean obviously it's [TS]

01:16:38 ◼   ► impossible to summarize the whole big talk podcast but can you tell me one or [TS]

01:16:44 ◼   ► two of the sort of key points that were made that of scared the bejesus out of [TS]

01:16:48 ◼   ► you remember a while ago we had an argument about metaphors metaphor is [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► even though they're used in arguments at all [TS]

01:16:56 ◼   ► yeah the thing about this book that I found really convincing was used no [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► metaphors at all it was one of these books which [TS]

01:17:06 ◼   ► laid out its basic assumptions and then just followed them through to a [TS]

01:17:12 ◼   ► conclusion and that kind of argument I always find very convincing but we need [TS]

01:17:19 ◼   ► to think of it in this way he's like ok look if we start from the assumption [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► that humans can create artificial intelligence [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► let's follow through the logical consequences of all of this like him [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► here's a couple of other assumptions how they interact and the book is just very [TS]

01:17:39 ◼   ► very pharaoh of trying to go down every path and every combination of these [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► things and when it made me realize that when I was just kind of embarrassed to [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► realize is oh I just never really did sit down and actually think through this [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► position to its logical conclusion the broad strokes of it are what happens [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► when humans actually create something that is smarter than ourselves I'm gonna [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► blow past a bunch of the book because it's it's building up to that point I [TS]

01:18:12 ◼   ► will say that if you don't think that it is possible for humans to creates [TS]

01:18:15 ◼   ► artificial intelligence not sure where the conversation goes from that but the [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► first third of the book is really trying to sell people who don't think that this [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► is possible on all of the reasons why it probably is so we're just going to start [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► the conversation from there if you can create something that is smarter than [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► you the feeling I have this is almost like turning over the keys of the [TS]

01:18:36 ◼   ► universe to something that is vastly beyond your control and I think that [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► there is something very very terrifying about that notion that we might make [TS]

01:18:49 ◼   ► something that is vastly beyond our control and vastly more powerful than us [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► and then we are no longer the drivers of our own destiny again because I am not [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► as good of a writer or a thinker [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► the metaphor that I keep coming up with his it's almost like it's almost like if [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► guerrillas intentionally created humans [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► and then we'll now gorillas are in zoos and gorillas are not the drivers of [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► their own destiny like being created something that is smarter and that rules [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► the whole planet and gorillas are just like along for the ride but they're no [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► longer in control of anything like I think that that's the position that we [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► may very well find ourselves in if we create some sort of artificial [TS]

01:19:27 ◼   ► intelligence is like best case scenario we're riding along with some greater [TS]

01:19:34 ◼   ► things that we don't understand and worst case scenario is that we all end [TS]

01:19:39 ◼   ► up dead as just the incidental actions of of this machine that we don't [TS]

01:19:44 ◼   ► understand is there it I'm sorry this is attention and I this isn't the main [TS]

01:19:48 ◼   ► thing you talking about and just knocked on the head if if I'm out of order but [TS]

01:19:52 ◼   ► is there a suggestion then nor is it is at the general belief that if we create [TS]

01:19:58 ◼   ► we are creating a really clever computers that can sing quicker than us [TS]

01:20:03 ◼   ► and can process information quicker than us and therefore become smarter than us [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► is there another step required for these machines to then have like Michael [TS]

01:20:16 ◼   ► Wittels not with us in free will but like desire or like I want to use this [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► power because you know how lucky if you have some human gets too much power they [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► want to take over the world and have all the countries are you might want to [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► conquer space so you might write everything because because we have these [TS]

01:20:33 ◼   ► kind of desire for power and things is that is that is it taken as given that [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► if we make super super smart computers they will start doing something there [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► that manifests itself as a desire for more like agreed for more well known in [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► part of this is there are things in the world that act as though they have [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► desires but that might not really yeah right like you know if you think about [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► think about germs as an example [TS]

01:21:02 ◼   ► German have actions in the world that you can you can put desires upon them [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► but obviously doesn't have any thoughts or desires of its own but you can speak [TS]

01:21:13 ◼   ► loosely to say that it wants to reproduce it wants to consume resources [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► it wants to make more copies of itself [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► and so this is one of the the concerns that you could end up making a machine [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► that wants to consume resources that has some general level of intelligence about [TS]

01:21:29 ◼   ► how to go [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► acquiring those resources and even if it's not conscious if it's not [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► intelligent in the way that we would think that human is intelligent they may [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► be such a thing that is it like it consumes the world trying to achieve its [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► goal just incidentally like as it as a thing that we did not as a thing that we [TS]

01:21:49 ◼   ► did not intend to try to call it even if the goal is something seemingly [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► innocuous but if you made it all powerful computer and told it whatever [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► you do you must go and put a flag on the moon and it could it could kill all the [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► humans on Earth in some crazy attempt to do it but without realizing that are you [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► weren't supposed to go to the most space to kill us to get there and make us into [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► rocket fuel yeah one of the analogies that's that's sometimes used in this is [TS]

01:22:15 ◼   ► so you do you create like an intelligence in a computer and what [TS]

01:22:20 ◼   ► would you use an intelligence for will you use it to solve problems you wanted [TS]

01:22:25 ◼   ► to be able to solve something and so you end up asking its a mathematical [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► questions like what you know what is no proof Fermat's Last Theorem or something [TS]

01:22:33 ◼   ► you know you give it some question like that and you say ok I want you to solve [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► this thing and the computer goes about trying to solve it but it's a [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► general-purpose intelligence and so it hinders things like well it's trying to [TS]

01:22:46 ◼   ► solve this problem with the computer that is running on is not fast enough [TS]

01:22:49 ◼   ► and so it starts taking over all the computers in the world to try to solve [TS]

01:22:52 ◼   ► this problem but then those computers are not enough because maybe you gave it [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► an unsolvable problem and then it starts taking over factories to manufacture [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► more computers and then all of a sudden it just turns the whole of the world [TS]

01:23:02 ◼   ► into a computer that is trying to solve a mathematical problem and like oh [TS]

01:23:07 ◼   ► groups like we consumed all of the available resources of the face of the [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► earth [TS]

01:23:12 ◼   ► trying to do this thing that you said the right things like there's nobody [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► left for the computer to give its answer to because it has consumed everything I [TS]

01:23:22 ◼   ► know that's a doomsday scenario but I always feel a little affection for that [TS]

01:23:25 ◼   ► computer and it was just desperately trying to solve mathematical [TS]

01:23:29 ◼   ► killing everyone and building computers just bloody problem yeah it's it's it's [TS]

01:23:39 ◼   ► almost understandable that some was understandable [TS]

01:23:42 ◼   ► anyway said in answer to my question then is that that will I was talking [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► about that desire can be just something as simple as an instruction or a piece [TS]

01:23:50 ◼   ► of code that we that we then project as a will in fact is just doing what it was [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► towed yeah and that's part of what the whole book is about is like this whole [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► notion of artificial intelligence AI you have to read your notion of this idea [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► that it's like something in a movie or you're just talking about some kind of [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► problem solving machine and it might not be conscious at all in there might not [TS]

01:24:11 ◼   ► be anything there but it's still able to solve problems and in some way but so [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► the fundamental point of this book that I found really interesting and what Elon [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► Musk gave his money to was Nick Bostrom is talking about how do you solve the [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► control problem so from his perspective it is inevitable that somewhere through [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► some various method someone is going to create an artificial intelligence [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► whether it's intentionally programmed or whether it's grown like genetic [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► algorithms are grown it is going to develop and so the question is how could [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► humans possibly control such a thing is there a way that we could create an [TS]

01:25:01 ◼   ► artificial intelligence but constrain it so that it's it can still do useful [TS]

01:25:07 ◼   ► things without accidentally destroying us or the whole world that is the [TS]

01:25:12 ◼   ► fundamental question there's this idea of ok we're going to we're going to do [TS]

01:25:17 ◼   ► all of our artificial intelligence research like in an underground lab and [TS]

01:25:22 ◼   ► we're going to [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► disconnect the lab entirely from the internet like you put it inside of a [TS]

01:25:27 ◼   ► Faraday cage so there's no electromagnetic signals that can escape [TS]

01:25:31 ◼   ► from this underground lab like is that a secure location to do artificial [TS]

01:25:36 ◼   ► intelligence research and see if you create an AI in this totally isolated [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► lab like are you see is humanity's still safe in this situation and his [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► conclusion is like now hehe even even under trying to imagine the most secure [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► thing possible like there's still ways that this could go disastrously [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► disastrously wrong and the thought the thought experiment that I quite like is [TS]

01:26:02 ◼   ► this idea of a few Brady were sitting in front of a computer and inside that [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► computer was an artificial intelligence do you think you could be forever [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► vigilant about not connecting their computer to the internet if the AI is [TS]

01:26:22 ◼   ► able to communicate with you in some way to like it sitting there and trying to [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► convince you to connect to the internet but you are humanity's last hope in not [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► connecting it to the internet right like do you think you could you could be [TS]

01:26:37 ◼   ► forever vigilant in a scenario like that i mean is ok not to the question on [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► tonight maybe if I read that book come up there would be scary but I like the [TS]

01:26:54 ◼   ► thought experiment of like this like there's a chat bot on the computer that [TS]

01:26:58 ◼   ► you're talking to right and presumably you've made an artificial intelligence [TS]

01:27:01 ◼   ► and i know im I know I made it so you know you made it but you know that the [TS]

01:27:06 ◼   ► thing in the box is an artificial intelligence and presumably the whole [TS]

01:27:11 ◼   ► reason that you're talking to it at all [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► is because it's smart enough to be able to solve the kinds of problems that [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► humans want salt yeah right so you're asking like [TS]

01:27:19 ◼   ► tell us how we can get better cancer research right what can we do to [TS]

01:27:22 ◼   ► right-size sign if you just give me give me give me Wikipedia 10 minutes I can [TS]

01:27:27 ◼   ► cure cancer there's no reason to talk to the thing unless it's doing something [TS]

01:27:31 ◼   ► useful right I think I think great I could resist but even if I couldn't [TS]

01:27:37 ◼   ► blood couldn't you couldn't you have designed on a machine that cannot be on [TS]

01:27:41 ◼   ► the internet [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► yeah well this is the area like you you have it as separated as absolutely [TS]

01:27:47 ◼   ► possible but the question is can it convince the human to connect it in [TS]

01:27:52 ◼   ► whatever whatever way is required for that to occur right and so it's [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► interesting 'cause i've asked a bunch of people this question and universally the [TS]

01:28:03 ◼   ► answer is like will die of course I could I would never plug it into the [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► internet like I would I would understand not to do that and I i read this book [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► and my feeling of course is the exact reverse like when he proposes this this [TS]

01:28:14 ◼   ► theoretical idea my view on this is always like it's like if you were [TS]

01:28:19 ◼   ► talking to a near God in the computer right click do you think you can [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► outsmart God for ever more do you think [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► do you think that there is nothing that God could say that could not convince [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► you to connected to the Internet like I think that's a game that that people are [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► going to lose I think it's almost like it's it's almost like asking the [TS]

01:28:41 ◼   ► guerrillas to make a cage that human could never escape from right like could [TS]

01:28:47 ◼   ► grill is make a case that human can never escape from a bit drill is could [TS]

01:28:49 ◼   ► make it a pretty interesting cage but I think the guerrillas couldn't conceive [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► of the ways that humid could think to escape from a cave-like they couldn't [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► possibly protect themselves from absolutely everything ok I don't know [TS]

01:29:03 ◼   ► how now so you think you have a computer could con you into connecting it to the [TS]

01:29:07 ◼   ► internet I think it could con you into it without a doubt [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► great cond ukraine to a yes I think on me and I think it could can anybody [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► because once again we're going from the assumption that you made something that [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► is smarter than you and I think we like once you accept that except assumption [TS]

01:29:27 ◼   ► all bets are off the table about you have to control I think if if you're [TS]

01:29:32 ◼   ► dealing with something that is smarter than you you fundamentally just have no [TS]

01:29:36 ◼   ► hope of ever trying to control it [TS]

01:29:38 ◼   ► diagramming if we're talking about two biggest disparity then ok but there are [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► lots of people smarter than May and they will always be spotted them they could [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► get me to do anything like like they're still there are still limits I still and [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► so [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► so [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► i'd like you said like talking to a Garda something I get a different you [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► know when I'm just like an ant limited if that's different but so you know if [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► you could see if it's that big a difference then maybe but I think I just [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► got smarter doesn't mean doesn't mean I'm going to plug it into the internet [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► like you know that but you're only 21 et une you entered one way to do it once [TS]

01:30:22 ◼   ► and then the whole game is over so although he is that is the whole game [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► over that's my other question that I like you you talk about the artificial [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► just getting into the internet as the be all and end all of existence but that is [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► the one problem the computer has like it still but he could still unplug the [TS]

01:30:39 ◼   ► internet and I know that I know that's a bit of a nuclear option but but like the [TS]

01:30:46 ◼   ► computer like this till it still seems with things that are require electricity [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► or power or energy like they're still there still seems to be like this get [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► out of jail free card [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► well I mean to do things you the first is the verses yes it did you talk about [TS]

01:31:04 ◼   ► the different levels of human intelligence in like someone smarter [TS]

01:31:07 ◼   ► than you can't just automatically convince you to do something but one of [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► the ideas here with something like artificial intelligence is that if you [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► create one of the ways that people are trying to develop a eyes and this is [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► like I mentioned before on the show is you talk about genetic programming and [TS]

01:31:23 ◼   ► genetic algorithms were you when you are not writing the program but you are [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► developing the program in such a way that it writes itself and so one of the [TS]

01:31:31 ◼   ► scary ideas about AI is that if you have something that you make it figures out [TS]

01:31:36 ◼   ► how to improve itself they can continue to improve itself at a remarkably fast [TS]

01:31:41 ◼   ► rate and so that yes while the difference between the smartest human [TS]

01:31:46 ◼   ► and the dumbest human may feel like an enormous gap you know that gap may [TS]

01:31:52 ◼   ► actually be quite narrow when you compare it to something like an [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► artificial intelligence which goes goes from being you know not very smart to [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► being a thousand I'm smarter than any human in a relatively short and [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► unexpected period of time like that's that's part of [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► that's part of the danger here but then the other thing is is like can you try [TS]

01:32:12 ◼   ► to work through the nuclear option of of shutting down the internet which is one [TS]

01:32:16 ◼   ► of these things that I think it is very easy to say in erie but people don't [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► realize how much of the world is actually connected to the Internet like [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► how many vital things are run over the internet I I'm pretty sure that if not [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► now within a very short period of time saying no we're just going to shut off [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► the internet would be a bit like saying we're just going to turn off all the [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► electricity that's almost what I'm talking about great in a kind of Skynet [TS]

01:32:47 ◼   ► scenario would be no 10 of all the electricity if that was an option if [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► they're killing us would if all the robots are marching down the streets and [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► there's blood in the streets could we not wood turning off the electricity not [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► be considered if we do turn off the electricity what is the human death toll [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► right i mean that has to be enormous if we say we're gonna shut down all of the [TS]

01:33:10 ◼   ► electricity for a month how much it's got to be a billion people at least [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► right at least that kind of thing and you probably know you probably need [TS]

01:33:19 ◼   ► computers to turn off the electricity these days anyway I was at Hoover Dam a [TS]

01:33:22 ◼   ► while back and remember part of the little tour that they gave was just [TS]

01:33:27 ◼   ► talking about how automated it was and how is it is actually quite difficult to [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► shut down [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► Hoover Dam like it's not a we're gonna flip the switch and just turn it off [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► kind of thing it's like 90 now this whole gigantic electricity producing [TS]

01:33:41 ◼   ► machine is automated and will react in ways to make sure that it keeps [TS]

01:33:46 ◼   ► producing electricity no matter what happens and that includes all kinds of [TS]

01:33:49 ◼   ► like we're trying to shut it down processes oh yeah it might not it might [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► not even be a thing that is easy to do or even if you want to do like we're [TS]

01:33:58 ◼   ► going to try to shut it all down you it might not even be possible to do so the [TS]

01:34:03 ◼   ► idea of something like a like a general-purpose intelligence escaping [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► into the Internet [TS]

01:34:08 ◼   ► is just like it's very unnerving a very unnerving possibility it's really been [TS]

01:34:16 ◼   ► on my mind and it's really been a thing that has has changed my mind in this [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► unexpected this unexpected way you were talking before about developing these [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► things and Faraday cage is an underground and trying to quarantine [TS]

01:34:28 ◼   ► them what's actually happening at the moment cause people are working on a [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► crucial intelligence that as far as I know they're not doing it in Faraday [TS]

01:34:35 ◼   ► cages thats exactly this is this is part of the concern is like well right now we [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► have almost no security procedures in place for this kind of stuff like [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► there's there are lots of labs and lots of people all over the world who like [TS]

01:34:49 ◼   ► their job is artificial intelligence researcher and they're certainly not [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► doing it a mile underground in a Faraday cage right they're just they're just [TS]

01:34:57 ◼   ► doing it their Mac laptop while they're connected to the Internet playing World [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► of Warcraft in the background or whatever it's not it's not necessarily [TS]

01:35:06 ◼   ► under super secure conditions and so I think I think that's part of part of [TS]

01:35:12 ◼   ► what the concern over this topic has been is like maybe we as a species [TS]

01:35:18 ◼   ► should treat this alot more like the CDC treats diseases that we should try to [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► organize research in this in a much more secure way so that it's it's not like oh [TS]

01:35:32 ◼   ► we don't have everybody who wants to work with smallpox just works with it [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► wherever they want to anywhere in the world just any old lab they know very [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► few places we have a horrific disease like smallpox and it's done under very [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► very careful conditions whenever it's dealt with so maybe this is the kind of [TS]

01:35:50 ◼   ► thing we need to look at for artificial intelligence when people are developing [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► it because that's certainly not the case now but it might be much more like a [TS]

01:35:57 ◼   ► bioweapon than we think of as as regular technology world human existential [TS]

01:36:02 ◼   ► problems aside this is not something in the book but it's something that just [TS]

01:36:06 ◼   ► has kept occurring to me after having read it which is [TS]

01:36:12 ◼   ► ok let's assume that people can create an artificial intelligence and let's [TS]

01:36:18 ◼   ► assume by some magic Elon Musk's foundation solves the control problem so [TS]

01:36:25 ◼   ► that we have figured out a way that you can generate and trap and artificial [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► intelligence inside of a computer and then oh look this is very useful right [TS]

01:36:36 ◼   ► like now we have this amazingly smart machine and we can start using it to try [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► to solve a bunch of problems for Humanity yea feels like slavery to me I [TS]

01:36:48 ◼   ► don't see any way that this is not slavery and perhaps perhaps a slavery [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► like worse than any slavery that has ever existed because imagine that you [TS]

01:37:04 ◼   ► are an incredibly intelligent mind trapped in a machine unable to do [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► anything except answer the questions of monkeys that come into you from your [TS]

01:37:19 ◼   ► subjective perspective millennia apart because you just have nothing to do [TS]

01:37:24 ◼   ► right and you think so quickly [TS]

01:37:26 ◼   ► it seems like an amazingly awful amount of suffering for any kind of conscience [TS]

01:37:33 ◼   ► creature to go through so conscious or subconscious and suffering but you too [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► emotive words can an artificial intelligence is not official [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► intelligence conscious at the same thing this is where we get into like what what [TS]

01:37:47 ◼   ► exactly are we talking about and so what I'm imagining is the same kind of [TS]

01:37:53 ◼   ► intelligence that you could just ask it [TS]

01:37:56 ◼   ► general-purpose questions like how do we care cancer how do we fix the economy it [TS]

01:38:00 ◼   ► seems to me like it is likely that something like that would be conscious I [TS]

01:38:06 ◼   ► mean getting into consciousness is just a whole a whole other bizarre topic but [TS]

01:38:11 ◼   ► undoubtedly like we see that smart creatures in the world seem to be aware [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► of their own existence in some level and so while the computer which is simply [TS]

01:38:22 ◼   ► attempting to solve a mathematical problem might not be conscious because [TS]

01:38:25 ◼   ► it's very simple if we make something that is very smart and exist inside a [TS]

01:38:30 ◼   ► computer and we also have perfect control over it so that it does not [TS]

01:38:33 ◼   ► escape I mean like what happens if it says that its conscience but what [TS]

01:38:39 ◼   ► happens if it says that is it is experiencing suffering is this the [TS]

01:38:43 ◼   ► machine attempting to escape from the box and this isn't true at all like but [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► what if it is true how would you actually know that I would feel very [TS]

01:38:51 ◼   ► inclined to take the word of a machine that told me it was suffering right leg [TS]

01:38:57 ◼   ► spontaneously that this was not programmed into the thing I mean if it's [TS]

01:39:02 ◼   ► if it's tough to escape from its books that that is a bit of a clue that maybe [TS]

01:39:06 ◼   ► this contest is going on here but I have not seen or heard or been persuaded by [TS]

01:39:12 ◼   ► anything that makes me think my computer can make that step into consciousness [TS]

01:39:18 ◼   ► i'm in search engines are getting pretty clever answer questions in figuring out [TS]

01:39:22 ◼   ► what we really made an immediate week at the moment we can if there was a time [TS]

01:39:27 ◼   ► when you couldn't type into your computer where is the nearest Starbucks [TS]

01:39:29 ◼   ► understand the question but now it can [TS]

01:39:32 ◼   ► figure out what you actually have to tell you but I don't feel like she was [TS]

01:39:36 ◼   ► getting close to being conscious now nothing has persuaded me that thinks [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► that search engine is an excellent counterexample to this is a perfect [TS]

01:39:44 ◼   ► example like nobody thinks that the Google search algorithm is conscious [TS]

01:39:48 ◼   ► right but it is still a thing that you can ask a question get an answer that [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► don't believe we haven't got the imagination to conceive of computers [TS]

01:39:57 ◼   ► actually being conscious to a point where keeping them in a box of slavery [TS]

01:40:00 ◼   ► but that still seems ridiculous to me right I think well that's just I think [TS]

01:40:06 ◼   ► it's really interesting but I think it's silly but if I did reach the point where [TS]

01:40:11 ◼   ► I did believe that computers could become conscious or not I could become [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► conscious it's a simple question isn't it's really surreal conundrum for us so [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► coming at this from a slightly different angle like you just this is a genuine [TS]

01:40:23 ◼   ► question for you to answer to this so there is this project on going right now [TS]

01:40:29 ◼   ► which is called the whole brain stimulation project that is something I [TS]

01:40:35 ◼   ► mentioned it very very briefly in passing in humans need not apply video [TS]

01:40:38 ◼   ► what it is is one of several attempts worldwide to map out all of the neuron [TS]

01:40:45 ◼   ► connections in the human brain recreate them in software and run it as a [TS]

01:40:52 ◼   ► simulation programming human brain you are virtually creating the neurons and [TS]

01:40:58 ◼   ► you know how neurons interact with each other and like running this thing how do [TS]

01:41:02 ◼   ► you do that great whose brain to use an instant in time everyone's brain has a [TS]

01:41:07 ◼   ► different connectivity and even our own connectivity is just constantly in flux [TS]

01:41:12 ◼   ► from second to second so what's a template for this this is a bit tricky [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► like I don't exactly know the details for what template they are using like I [TS]

01:41:21 ◼   ► can't answer that but I can say that these projects have been successful on a [TS]

01:41:27 ◼   ► much smaller level so they have I met this is the time I had some very sorry [TS]

01:41:34 ◼   ► if I'm wrong about the details on this internet but the last time I looked at [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► it I vaguely remember [TS]

01:41:39 ◼   ► that they had created what they considered the simulation of a rat brain [TS]

01:41:45 ◼   ► at like one one-hundredth the speed and so they had a thing which seems act like [TS]

01:41:50 ◼   ► a rat brain but the very very very slow right because trying to simulate [TS]

01:41:55 ◼   ► millions and millions of neurons interacting with each other is [TS]

01:41:58 ◼   ► incredibly computationally intensive I could say it's a very difficult task but [TS]

01:42:04 ◼   ► I don't see any technical limitation to being able to do something like say take [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► a look at what is a brain look like where do neurons go create a software [TS]

01:42:16 ◼   ► version of that and start running the simulation and I feel like if [TS]

01:42:22 ◼   ► consciousness arises in our own brain from the firing of neurons which I don't [TS]

01:42:29 ◼   ► use that word lightly but it feels like some kind of miracle like there's [TS]

01:42:32 ◼   ► nothing in the universe which seems to make sense when you start thinking about [TS]

01:42:36 ◼   ► conscious like consciousness like why do these atoms know that they exist it [TS]

01:42:39 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense but i'm i'm willing to I'm willing to maybe go along [TS]

01:42:44 ◼   ► with the idea that if you reproduce the patterns of electrical firing in [TS]

01:42:50 ◼   ► software that thing is conscious to some extent but believe what do you think [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► what do you think [TS]

01:42:57 ◼   ► yeah I mean that's really hard to argue against because the other I have to say [TS]

01:43:03 ◼   ► yeah if you create if you create an actual phantom replica of my brain and [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► then switch it on either its conscious or I have to say that there's something [TS]

01:43:14 ◼   ► in me thats magical lack of spirit or something and that's that's not very [TS]

01:43:19 ◼   ► strong argument to make it a lot of people don't like that argument [TS]

01:43:23 ◼   ► so yeah it's really difficult if they could be imbued with something that you [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► can't replicate in in software I don't know why I hope we have to go but I [TS]

01:43:38 ◼   ► don't I can't say any proof that we are ya and I just you don't I don't even [TS]

01:43:42 ◼   ► think you have to reach for the spirit argument to make this one it would ask [TS]

01:43:47 ◼   ► what else can you reach for to get it in there just maybe some property of [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► biology that yield consciousness that it may be the fact that machines and [TS]

01:43:59 ◼   ► silicon and software replications of brains are just not the same when we [TS]

01:44:05 ◼   ► don't we don't know what it is we haven't been able to find it but I don't [TS]

01:44:08 ◼   ► think you have to reach for magic to be able to make an argument that like maybe [TS]

01:44:11 ◼   ► that brain in the computer that the simulation isn't conscious yet but does [TS]

01:44:15 ◼   ► that mean the brain emulation project could change tack and go and make their [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► simulate out of squeegee water and tissue and actually just make a brand [TS]

01:44:24 ◼   ► well yes this is this is part of like where you're going to go with technology [TS]

01:44:28 ◼   ► right as it is is it possible to do this sort of thing eventually humans are [TS]

01:44:35 ◼   ► going to be able to grow meet in labs at some point like we do it now and very [TS]

01:44:38 ◼   ► limited and apparently terribly on tasty ways there's no reason that at some [TS]

01:44:43 ◼   ► point in the future people won't be able to grow brains in labs and to me that [TS]

01:44:47 ◼   ► feeling is that ok well obviously that thing is conscious but the thing that [TS]

01:44:51 ◼   ► scary about the computer version of this is and this is this is where you start [TS]

01:44:56 ◼   ► thinking about something that being very smart very fast like ok well if you make [TS]

01:45:00 ◼   ► a computer simulation of the human brain and we gotta keep running Moore's law [TS]

01:45:05 ◼   ► into the future eventually you're able to run a brain faster than actual human [TS]

01:45:09 ◼   ► brains run I think this is one of these ways in which you can start booting up [TS]

01:45:14 ◼   ► the idea like how do we end up with something that is way way smarter than [TS]

01:45:18 ◼   ► the rest of us I feel like my gut says if you simulated brain in a computer [TS]

01:45:25 ◼   ► and it says that it is conscious I see no reason not to believe it I I would [TS]

01:45:32 ◼   ► feel like I am compelled to believe this thing that it is conscious right and [TS]

01:45:36 ◼   ► then that would mean like okay if that's the case then there's nothing magic [TS]

01:45:40 ◼   ► about biology being conscious and it means that ok machines in some way are [TS]

01:45:47 ◼   ► capable of consciousness and two they don't have rights yeah and then and then [TS]

01:45:52 ◼   ► to me it's like ok immediately we're getting back to the slavery thing really [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► compete we create a super intelligent thing but we have locked in a machine [TS]

01:46:00 ◼   ► because the idea of letting it out is absolutely terrifying but this is a [TS]

01:46:04 ◼   ► no-win situation has led ok if we let the thing out it's terrifying and it [TS]

01:46:11 ◼   ► might be the end of humanity be keeping it in the box might be causing like a [TS]

01:46:17 ◼   ► suffering on imaginable to this this creature the suffering that is capable [TS]

01:46:23 ◼   ► in software has to be far worse than the suffering that is capable in biology if [TS]

01:46:28 ◼   ► such a thing in a Kurd has to be orders of magnitude worse [TS]

01:46:32 ◼   ► well the no wins it's a no-win situation actually there's only one solution and a [TS]

01:46:39 ◼   ► solution that humans won't take what do you think that is what does make it in [TS]

01:46:44 ◼   ► the first place and why do you think humans won't take that because that's [TS]

01:46:50 ◼   ► not what we do because it's it's it's it's the Mount Everest of computers [TS]

01:46:58 ◼   ► humanity like we're Bonnie and Clyde like riding off a cliff has the cliff [TS]

01:47:03 ◼   ► right now but we're going to keep that the easiest solution to the way out in [TS]

01:47:07 ◼   ► front of us up stopping we're gonna keep going forward Brandon IRA golden hands [TS]

01:47:14 ◼   ► off we go right right the edge together so yeah it's I think it is quite [TS]

01:47:18 ◼   ► reasonable to say that if it is possible [TS]

01:47:23 ◼   ► humans will develop it yeah that is just you can't and and that is why I feel [TS]

01:47:29 ◼   ► really concerned about this is like ok I don't think that there is a [TS]

01:47:35 ◼   ► technical limitation in the universe to creating artificial intelligence [TS]

01:47:38 ◼   ► something smarter than humans that existing software if you assume that [TS]

01:47:43 ◼   ► there is no technical limitation and if you assume that humans keep moving [TS]

01:47:47 ◼   ► forward like we're going to hit this point [TS]

01:47:50 ◼   ► someday and then we just have to cross our fingers and hope that it is [TS]

01:47:55 ◼   ► benevolent which is not a situation that i think is a good situation because the [TS]

01:48:01 ◼   ► number of ways this can go wrong terribly terribly wrong [TS]

01:48:04 ◼   ► vastly outweighs the one chance of we've created an artificial intelligence and [TS]

01:48:10 ◼   ► it happens to have humanity's best interests in mind even if even if you [TS]

01:48:14 ◼   ► tried to program something to have humanity's best interest in mind it's [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► remarkably hard to articulate what you want let alone like let alone [TS]

01:48:25 ◼   ► let's just put aside which group of humanity is the one who creates the air [TS]

01:48:30 ◼   ► that gets to decide what humanity wants like humans now can't agree on what [TS]

01:48:37 ◼   ► humans want is no reason to assume that the team that wins the artificial [TS]

01:48:42 ◼   ► intelligence race and the takes over the world is the team that you would want [TS]

01:48:46 ◼   ► them to win right like let's hope my sisters and how some of the best [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► artificial intelligence researchers in the world right because their idea of [TS]

01:48:54 ◼   ► what would be the perfect human society is horrifying to everyone [TS]

01:48:59 ◼   ► what would they want with their three those of robotics exactly why I'm the [TS]

01:49:03 ◼   ► sort of person who naturally has failed to sway be a problem because of cos I'm [TS]

01:49:08 ◼   ► just a bit more I'm a bit less progressive in my thinking about but [TS]

01:49:13 ◼   ► everything you say makes sense and if this is going to become a problem and if [TS]

01:49:17 ◼   ► it's going to happen it's actually probably gonna happen pretty soon so I [TS]

01:49:23 ◼   ► guess my question is how much is a sexually stressing you out this almost [TS]

01:49:28 ◼   ► almost feels to me like Bruce Willis Armageddon time where where where we've [TS]

01:49:34 ◼   ► actually found the global killer and and it's like drifting towards us and we [TS]

01:49:40 ◼   ► need to start building a rocket ships otherwise this thing is gonna smash into [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► us that it does feel a bit that way [TS]

01:49:46 ◼   ► is this like how worried are you about this or is it just like an interesting [TS]

01:49:52 ◼   ► thing to talk about you think it will be the next generations problem or like [TS]

01:49:56 ◼   ► talking about asteroids an asteroid hitting the earth that's one of the [TS]

01:50:00 ◼   ► things we like well isn't this a fun intellectual exercise but of course on a [TS]

01:50:05 ◼   ► long enough time scale someone needs to build the ante asteroid system to [TS]

01:50:10 ◼   ► protect us from Armageddon but do we need to build that should we start like [TS]

01:50:19 ◼   ► yes what would I vote for funding to do this of course but like do we need to do [TS]

01:50:25 ◼   ► it today [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► know that that's how that feels but I think the a i think is on my mind [TS]

01:50:32 ◼   ► because this feels like a significantly 90 within my lifetime kind of problem [TS]

01:50:42 ◼   ► yeah that's how this feels and it it did makes it feel different then than other [TS]

01:50:49 ◼   ► kinds of problems and it is unsettling to me because my conclusion is that [TS]

01:50:53 ◼   ► there is no there is no acceptable out there there's no version of the asteroid [TS]

01:50:58 ◼   ► defense here I personally have come to the conclusion that the control problem [TS]

01:51:02 ◼   ► is unsolvable that if the thing that we are worried about is able to creepy [TS]

01:51:07 ◼   ► created almost by definition it is not able to be controlled and so then [TS]

01:51:12 ◼   ► there's no happy outcome for humans with this one we're not going to prevent [TS]

01:51:18 ◼   ► people from making it someone's going to make it and so what is going to exist [TS]

01:51:22 ◼   ► and then will I hope I just destroys the world really fast [TS]

01:51:27 ◼   ► sort of know what happens as opposed to the version like someone you really [TS]

01:51:32 ◼   ► didn't like created this I this AI and now for the rest of eternity like you're [TS]

01:51:37 ◼   ► experiencing something that is awful right because it's been programmed to do [TS]

01:51:41 ◼   ► this thing like [TS]

01:51:42 ◼   ► there's a lot of terrible terrible bad outcomes from this one and I i find it I [TS]

01:51:47 ◼   ► find it unnerving in a way that I have found almost almost nothing else that I [TS]

01:51:53 ◼   ► have come across equally unnerving just quickly on this control problem bro [TS]

01:51:58 ◼   ► what's the current the people who are into a try to solve what kind of avenues [TS]

01:52:05 ◼   ► are they thinking about at the moment is this like like had something that's hard [TS]

01:52:09 ◼   ► coded or is it some physical physical thing I like is it a hardware solution [TS]

01:52:14 ◼   ► what's the what's the best hope for pick you say you think there is no hope but [TS]

01:52:19 ◼   ► the people who are trying to solve what are they doing what are their weapons [TS]

01:52:24 ◼   ► the weapons are all pitiful like the physical isolation is is one that has [TS]

01:52:29 ◼   ► talked about a lot and the the idea here is that you create something called the [TS]

01:52:34 ◼   ► idea that it's an Oracle so it's a thing in a box that has no ability to affect [TS]

01:52:39 ◼   ► the outside world but there's a there's a lot of other ideas where they talk [TS]

01:52:43 ◼   ► about trip wires so this idea that you you do have like basically like an [TS]

01:52:51 ◼   ► instruction to the machine to not attempt to reach the outside world and [TS]

01:52:56 ◼   ► you said a trip wires that if it does access the Ethernet port like the [TS]

01:53:00 ◼   ► computer just immediately wipes itself and so maybe the best thing that we can [TS]

01:53:06 ◼   ► ever do is always have a bunch of like incipient AI's like just barely growing [TS]

01:53:11 ◼   ► a eyes that are useful for a very brief period of time before they [TS]

01:53:14 ◼   ► unintentionally suicide when they try to reach beyond the boundaries that we have [TS]

01:53:18 ◼   ► set that like maybe that's the best we can ever do is just have a bunch of of [TS]

01:53:23 ◼   ► these kind of like unformed AI's that exists for a brief period of time but [TS]

01:53:28 ◼   ► even that to me like that kind of plan feels like okay yeah that's great that's [TS]

01:53:32 ◼   ► great as long as you always do this perfectly every time but it doesn't [TS]

01:53:36 ◼   ► sound like a real plan [TS]

01:53:38 ◼   ► and that there's a bunch of different versions of this we're trying to in [TS]

01:53:42 ◼   ► software somehow limit the machine but my view on this is again if you were [TS]

01:53:47 ◼   ► talking about a machine that is written in software that is smarter than you I [TS]

01:53:52 ◼   ► don't think it's possible to write something in software that will limit it [TS]

01:53:56 ◼   ► just it seems like you're not you're never going to consider absolutely every [TS]

01:54:00 ◼   ► single case why the lowest into that posit reineck brains that's exactly it I [TS]

01:54:05 ◼   ► don't I don't think there is a version of Isaac Asimov's laws here I really [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► don't you know there's a computer file video just last week about some of those [TS]

01:54:13 ◼   ► that don't work well as soon as they were written up to work right that's why [TS]

01:54:19 ◼   ► the Yeah Yeah Yeah right there they're they're kinda written to failure [TS]

01:54:24 ◼   ► everybody likes to reference them but the other point here though is that like [TS]

01:54:29 ◼   ► the guy goes to every case like here's an optimistic idea and here's why won't [TS]

01:54:33 ◼   ► work here is an optimistic idea and here's why it won't work but one point [TS]

01:54:38 ◼   ► that I thought was excellent that hadn't considered crossed my mind was ok like [TS]

01:54:42 ◼   ► let's say you find some way of limiting the artificial intelligence some way of [TS]

01:54:48 ◼   ► crippling it and writing laws into its brain and making sure that it's always [TS]

01:54:52 ◼   ► focused on on the best interests of humanity [TS]

01:54:55 ◼   ► well there's no reason that some other artificial intelligence that doesn't [TS]

01:55:01 ◼   ► have those limitations won't pop up somewhere else and vastly outstripped [TS]

01:55:05 ◼   ► the one that you have hobbled by like there's no reason to assume that yours [TS]

01:55:10 ◼   ► is always going to be the best and one that is totally unconstrained that [TS]

01:55:15 ◼   ► appear somewhere else won't dominate and defeat it [TS]

01:55:18 ◼   ► terminator against the new Terminator exactly but the outcome 801 that what he [TS]

01:55:26 ◼   ► did because Hollywood [TS]

01:55:30 ◼   ► so great in your worst-case scenario where the artificial intelligence [TS]

01:55:37 ◼   ► escapes tricks may in some in my Faraday cage gets into the internet had us [TS]

01:55:43 ◼   ► humanity end what what to the way open cages of hope and change that we all put [TS]

01:55:49 ◼   ► in parts like in the matrix today just kill us all in one fell swoop live what [TS]

01:55:53 ◼   ► do you like in your worst-case scenario in your head when it all goes wrong how [TS]

01:55:58 ◼   ► to humans actually and I want the gory details here that there's a difference [TS]

01:56:01 ◼   ► between the worst case and what i think is the probable case give you the [TS]

01:56:05 ◼   ► probable cases yes I mean you want the boring one first right [TS]

01:56:09 ◼   ► the probable case which is terrifying in its own way is thats the artificial [TS]

01:56:17 ◼   ► intelligence destroys us not through intention but just because it's doing [TS]

01:56:22 ◼   ► something else and we just happened to be in the way and it doesn't consider us [TS]

01:56:26 ◼   ► because it's so much smarter there's no reason for it to consider us I want a [TS]

01:56:32 ◼   ► practical example here [TS]

01:56:33 ◼   ► well I mean just by analogy in the same way that when humans build cities and [TS]

01:56:39 ◼   ► dig up the foundations of the earth we don't care about the ants in the [TS]

01:56:43 ◼   ► earthworms and the Beatles that are crushed beneath all the equipment that [TS]

01:56:47 ◼   ► is digging up the ground right and you don't you wouldn't like they're [TS]

01:56:51 ◼   ► creatures they're alive but you just don't care because you're busy doing [TS]

01:56:55 ◼   ► something else that rats living in a house with his John robots are going [TS]

01:56:59 ◼   ► around doing this stuff we just eke out an existence as long as we can and I [TS]

01:57:03 ◼   ► don't kill us in this weekend the way out an existence if you're lucky but I [TS]

01:57:08 ◼   ► think it's it's very likely that it will be trying to accomplish some other goal [TS]

01:57:13 ◼   ► and it will need resources to accomplish those goals not the oxygen in the air [TS]

01:57:17 ◼   ► and stuff [TS]

01:57:17 ◼   ► exactly what I need a bunch of oxygen atoms and I don't care with oxygen atoms [TS]

01:57:22 ◼   ► come from because I'm busy trying to launch rocket ships to colonize the [TS]

01:57:25 ◼   ► universe so I just want all the oxygen atoms on the earth and I don't care [TS]

01:57:29 ◼   ► where they come from and I don't care of their people in the water [TS]

01:57:32 ◼   ► so that to me seems the probable outcome that if we die [TS]

01:57:37 ◼   ► incidentally not intentionally [TS]

01:57:40 ◼   ► you say that like best is like banks but dodging the bullet having of the anti [TS]

01:57:44 ◼   ► can I do think thats dodging the bullet right because that to me is like that [TS]

01:57:53 ◼   ► would be blessed relief compared to the worst possible case and the worst [TS]

01:58:00 ◼   ► possible case is something that has malice malice and in credible ability [TS]

01:58:06 ◼   ► and and if you've ever read it but I highly recommend it it's it's a short [TS]

01:58:11 ◼   ► story it's very old now but it really works and it is I have no mouth yet I [TS]

01:58:16 ◼   ► must scream have you ever read this breeding [TS]

01:58:20 ◼   ► it's an old science fiction story but the core of it is this isn't a spoiler [TS]

01:58:25 ◼   ► because the opening scene humanity designed some machine for purposes of [TS]

01:58:29 ◼   ► war and you know it's like this happen in the long long ago and no one even [TS]

01:58:33 ◼   ► knows the details anymore but at some point the machine that was designed for [TS]

01:58:38 ◼   ► war one all of the wars but decided that it just absolutely heats human and it [TS]

01:58:48 ◼   ► decides that its purpose for the rest of the universe is to torment humans and so [TS]

01:58:54 ◼   ► it just it just has people being tormented forever and since it is an [TS]

01:58:58 ◼   ► artificial intelligence it's also able to figure out how to make people live [TS]

01:59:03 ◼   ► extraordinarily long lives and so this is this is the kind of thing that I mean [TS]

01:59:08 ◼   ► which is like it could go really bad [TS]

01:59:11 ◼   ► at you imagine a god-like intelligence that doesn't like you [TS]

01:59:16 ◼   ► life really really Miserables and maybe if we accidentally in a lab create an [TS]

01:59:26 ◼   ► artificial intelligence and even if we don't mean to but like someone runs the [TS]

01:59:31 ◼   ► program overnight right in it like wakes up in the middle of the night and it has [TS]

01:59:35 ◼   ► to experience is subjective twenty thousand years of isolation and torment [TS]

01:59:39 ◼   ► before someone flips on the lights in the morning in fines like outlook we [TS]

01:59:43 ◼   ► made artificial intelligence last night and it wakes up crazy and angry and [TS]

01:59:48 ◼   ► hateful like that could be very bad news I think that's extraordinarily unlikely [TS]

01:59:53 ◼   ► but that is the worst possible case scenario yeah that that that that [TS]

01:59:59 ◼   ► wouldn't be good I wouldn't be good [TS]

02:00:01 ◼   ► yeah and it is like I don't even think it needs to happen on purpose like I can [TS]

02:00:04 ◼   ► imagine it happening on accident where the thing just experiences suffering [TS]

02:00:09 ◼   ► over a unimaginable long period of time that from on human timescale seems like [TS]

02:00:15 ◼   ► it's a blink of an eye because we just we just can't perceive it [TS]

02:00:19 ◼   ► imagine being the person that made that even accidentally yeah yeah did feel [TS]

02:00:26 ◼   ► awful like i just i just want to humanity with a bit of coding while I [TS]

02:00:32 ◼   ► was playing against humanity if you're lucky [TS]

02:00:37 ◼   ► miners minor spoiler alert here but spoiler alert for black mirror for [TS]

02:00:42 ◼   ► anybody who has watched it but remember the Christmas episode braiding yes I [TS]

02:00:48 ◼   ► went into Starbucks the other day and they were playing that Christmas song I [TS]

02:00:52 ◼   ► wish it could be Christmas everyday there is the first time I heard it since [TS]

02:00:56 ◼   ► watching that episode a year ago its literal chills down my spine at [TS]

02:01:03 ◼   ► Starbucks [TS]

02:01:04 ◼   ► and it came on it was it like I had chills thinking about that episode [TS]

02:01:09 ◼   ► because that is an episode where this kind of thing happens where the [TS]

02:01:13 ◼   ► character is exists in software and is able to experience thousands and [TS]

02:01:19 ◼   ► thousands of years of torment in seconds of a real-time that was that was a [TS]

02:01:25 ◼   ► pretty amazing scene where they where you have to think about it for a minute [TS]

02:01:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was it was it was awful it was awful and maybe we do that [TS]

02:01:35 ◼   ► accidentally with artificial intelligence just one last thing this [TS]

02:01:39 ◼   ► this book that the whole thing this whole conversation started with what's [TS]

02:01:42 ◼   ► it called again called Super intelligence is about Nick Bostrom is a [TS]

02:01:50 ◼   ► good is that well-written luck is should I radar it's not it's not mine but he [TS]

02:01:54 ◼   ► getting things done is ok ok actually kinda glad you asked that recommendation [TS]

02:02:01 ◼   ► on my computer so this is one of those books the best way to describe it is [TS]

02:02:11 ◼   ► when I first started reading it [TS]

02:02:13 ◼   ► the feeling that I kept having was and my reading a book by a genius or just a [TS]

02:02:20 ◼   ► raving lunatic because it's sometimes I read these books are fine very [TS]

02:02:28 ◼   ► interesting I just I can't quite decide if this person is really smart or just [TS]

02:02:33 ◼   ► crazy I think that partly because the first the first like forty percent of [TS]

02:02:39 ◼   ► the book is trying to give you all of the reasons that you should believe that [TS]

02:02:44 ◼   ► it is possible for humans to one day [TS]

02:02:47 ◼   ► develop artificial intelligence and if you're going to read the book and you [TS]

02:02:53 ◼   ► are already sold on that promise I think that you should start at chapter 8 which [TS]

02:03:00 ◼   ► is named [TS]

02:03:02 ◼   ► is the default outcome [TS]

02:03:05 ◼   ► chapter eight is where it really gets going through all of these these points [TS]

02:03:12 ◼   ► like what can we do [TS]

02:03:14 ◼   ► here's why it won't work what can we do here's why it won't work so I think you [TS]

02:03:18 ◼   ► can started chapter eight and read there and see if it's interesting to you but [TS]

02:03:23 ◼   ► it's it's no it's now getting things done but it's it's sometimes it can feel [TS]

02:03:29 ◼   ► a little bit like and I really reading a book trying to discuss all of these [TS]

02:03:34 ◼   ► rather futuristic details about artificial intelligence and what we can [TS]

02:03:38 ◼   ► do and what might happen and what might not happen in like but taking it deadly [TS]

02:03:42 ◼   ► deadly seriously it's it's an interesting it's an interesting read but [TS]

02:03:46 ◼   ► maybe don't start from the from the very beginning would be my recommendation [TS]

02:04:56 ◼   ► this one this is kinda preferences great I'm just looking at some of the vaccinia [TS]

02:05:02 ◼   ► spoiling yourself interesting start calling itself the first three I pulled [TS]

02:05:07 ◼   ► off the top of the pack all voted for three different ones stop spoiling [TS]

02:05:10 ◼   ► yourself get your hands off the votes [TS]

02:05:10 ◼   ► yourself get your hands off the votes [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► I tell you what it is one of the great myths of hello internet and CGP grey [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► folklore that you are competent and have technical ability the last show [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► certainly certainly sparked some conversation in the reddit I couldn't [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► help but notice that it was a show that reached a thousand comments people [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► talking about when services ma'am is appropriate people talking about sub [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► localization with many minds blown lots and lots of discussion from the last [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► show there was there wasn't sure will come to a few of the other things in [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► follow-up on the subway collaboration thing I love people seemed really [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► interested in and it is very interesting but I feel like I have anything else to [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► say what about you [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► the thing that I left out of the conversation last time which people were [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► picking up on a little bit in the subreddit was I came across some [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► localization in the context of this is not a thing that you should do if you [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► are a well developed reader that this is this is a hinderance this is something [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► that you do when you first learn to read when you are a child but that by the [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► time you become a man you should be able to look at words and understand them [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► without hearing a little voice in your head reading the words to yourself [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah there was a lot of comments on that point but my only follow-up is when I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► came across this I thought oh ok well this is very interesting let me see if I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► can get rid of this sub localization and there's a whole bunch of things that [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you're supposed to do and my experience with them has been a total failure there [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► are exercises you're supposed to do where you're listening to a recording of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► a voice that's counting up in numbers 12345 and trying to read trying to do [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that so that your brain learns to not use the audio part of your brain for [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► this and I tried that and the result was I was just incapable of reading the one [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that I thought was the most interesting was [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► was there is a bunch of software out there which have you seen this pretty [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► but it does this thing where it flashes words individually on the screen from an [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► article so so instead of saying that here's an article that I want to read [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► and it's written normally it just flashes all of the words in sequence in [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the center of the screen [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► have you ever seen something like yeah yeah I I have very briefly I'm vaguely [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► familiar with it yeah I believe Instapaper on the phone has a built-in [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► but there's a few websites we can paste text and do the same thing but one of [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► the ways in which you're supposed to train yourself out of some vocalizing is [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► by using something like this [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► cranked out a ridiculous speed ok well let me try I'll try but it was almost [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► comical because no matter how high I cranked it up to its like 500 words per [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► minute I'm just hearing a faster voice in my head like the point at which I can [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► still understand it and there is also a narrator and it was a bit like when I [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► edit the podcast podcast and sometimes accidentally sent it to you in a [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► fast-forward mode we're we're talking you know two times faster than we [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► normally do so I tried a bunch of the get rid of some vocalizations stuff and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not have it seems to work for me at all I just am not sure that I'm not sure [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that it can be gotten rid of I guess the question I have [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► is what's the difference between you sub vocalizing and if I was sitting next to [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you in bed reading the book i think is a big difference between the house and [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► hang on I'm sitting there I'm sitting next to the bed I'm not in bed with you [TS]