H.I. #51: Appropriately Thinking It
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can minimize your son get distracted by a pretty face don't minimize me gray you
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mustn't minimize me I want you to take me seriously you think that joke is
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funny every time God we are like a married couple now before it's not funny
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the one and one that drives my wife crazy is whenever the way to comes and
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asks if you want to test the wine and even just a tiny city and you have like
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the worst as the last week and then you say yes that's fine think-i iOS that put
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a face and pretend it's disgusting
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yeah and like she's like yeah but that wasn't funny last time it won't be a
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next time and it wasn't this time either you do that every time
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most of the day it's something fun oh is it is it fine every time for the wait
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time for the way to its not fun for my wife it's fun for the waiter every time
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because the way to hasn't seen a million times before do you think the waiter
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hasn't seen it a million times before I think the way to have seen it a million
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times before you head there probably have actually the way there is being
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paid to be nice to you it's part of their job you shouldn't judge your
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humorist skills against someone who was paid to be nice to you but I should just
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pay more people to be nice to me if you're in a restaurant you're dealing
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with the waiter or you're you're you're interacting with a service person in
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general like a hotel concierge or an uber driver or any any of these people
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in the world who are providing a service to some extent when she used the word
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sir with them I actually a more likely to call themselves than anyone else and
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I do that all the time it's almost like it's almost like an over compensation
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because of not an awkwardness but just to kind of a thing in the back of my
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head that they're kind of serving May and now I feel a bit uncomfortable with
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that power dynamic I feel like maybe I overcompensate because I will always
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call someone who is serving mayor doing something for May which sort of puts me
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in the more powerful position I always call themselves thank you very much so
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have a good day sir why I always do that I will do it particularly with my bro
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drivers they almost every single time
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normally don't speak to the drivers but then at the end you just want to
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acknowledge the person and so I would always say something like thank you sir
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right as a as I'm getting out to me it feels like if you look at the nice thing
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it's a it's a bit of a sign of respect your acknowledging that the other person
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news person too and it's a it's slightly more than a thank you but I'm never
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quite sure in in a place like England if this is as standard I don't I don't
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really know if if that is the case but you do it to that makes me feel a little
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bit better I do it I think you're overthinking I think it's alright I
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wouldn't worry about it I don't I don't think I over think things I don't think
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I over think things great if there is one thing you do it is over think things
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that's that is like you're defining quality it's now it is not my defining
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quality but it was ok but I haven't over think things but there are two problems
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with the servo one of which is I find the double sir
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suddenly gets really awkward so if I will say to her driver or the waiter
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thank you sir
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and then they say back to me thank you sir
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suddenly the surf feels ridiculous to me it doesn't work both ways like if if the
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driver beats me to it if it was like Oh have a nice day sir then I always feel
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like I have to I have to just say oh thank you you too like I can't say the
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server if the other person has beaten me to it there's something about it where
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it where it's like it's too many servers in to close at the time that span is
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just no good it doesn't work I i agree with that
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ok so I haven't over thought this is the correct way to know you have definitely
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over there now is proving my point that you're just digging a deeper and deeper
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hole of over thoughtfulness here now it's ok ok I had never thought about
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that before just because I'm just because I'm agreeing with you now that
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you put it out there doesn't mean I had thought about it before you never
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thought about this before
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not not the not the double sir first in best dressed suits you sir problem you
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have never thought near the end of an interaction which you may use the word
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sir I need to be the first person to get to the words sir this hasn't crossed
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your mind it's completely just instinct made just it's just no I'm not I'm not
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there are things that I think about before hand at the end of a taxi ride or
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a interaction with someone but one of those things is not I must make sure I
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get the first Syria and the israeli natural to me okay but so the only other
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problem and this is the one that comes up much more frequently is that there's
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no appropriate female version for sir there is no but there is no word for
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this in the English language and now if you are in Alabama you can say this is
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this is acceptable
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just broadly across the south as the serb equivalent for women but you know
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it's like in the south
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I would totally say thank you ma'am to a woman in a service position but I do not
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think that the word man in my very limited experimentation goes down well
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almost anywhere else I never get the feeling like this is a word that say a
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waitress in her thirties really wants to have applied to her under normal
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circumstances they can do you ever say ma'am you say sir do you say ma'am thank
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you ma'am in a restaurant would you say that I think I possibly would but I'm
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less likely to I think you've assessed the situation correctly I did see what
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comes out at the time that is not always the best policy and realize and
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sometimes it gets me into a pickle but I don't I usually don't think too much
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about what I'm gonna say i just i just follow my heart yes the only way I would
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use man outside of the south is if I could lay a thousand dollars on the
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table to say that the service will when I was interacting with his over 60
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she's over 60 then I might use ma'am but if it's less than that I feel like now
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if I can't be absolutely sure about this I'm not gonna make this bad but we have
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the problem in the opposite way that the only other vaguely equivalent word is
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the word miss I feel like miss does not carry the same weight as Sir and it also
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has its own weird problems ugh radical quite the same way you do about man and
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I think when you called someone so there's a kind of joke inna sets are
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already going on it's kind of already like potential for more Nexus this bit
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of a there's been a wink wink was neither of us here particularly notable
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are important so we just switches using these formalities for fun and I think
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that applies when you would use the men so I don't think a thirty year old
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woman's gonna go my goodness he suggesting are much older than I am or
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he's he's doing it wrong I think there's already like a little game going on
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where we're joking around
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thank you sir thank you have a good day I think there's already such a this over
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the top friendliness going on that is understood the whole thing's be ready
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this just goes to the fundamental jovial nature of your whole life again imagine
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you going from place to place and just everything is happy everything's a joke
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brady's just so happy him the sun is shining are we all just having a great
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time how your social interactions just naturally go
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can do the little thanks man when you give a charming when can you scamper off
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and everybody's had a great day I wish that was true in fact I'm grumpy old man
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he just sits around whinging having paper cuts but I guess when it comes to
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that sort of thing I am a bit more jokey I do like when I actually do enjoy every
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day but I do like I do like things to be a bit in a bit of a joke I'm not an
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overly serious person I think you can get away with more than I can which is
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why I mates appropriately think about these things to the level that they
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deserve so now we have any follow-up rating do we have follow-up we have to
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show you my ass first with something I know you don't particularly like
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and this is an arbitrary shout out to a fair and pretending this and you think
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this is the thin end of the wedge it is yeah but let me explain why we have to
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do this one and you can always some reason there's always some reason if I
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left either if I left you entirely to your own accord the show would be
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starting with nothing but a long list of happy birthday wishes to everybody I
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have to ring you in on these things to some extent someone emailed me today
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asking me i'm not gonna do it right or not gonna do it but you gonna mention it
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ok open that door a bit wider ok I'm gonna mention I'm not going to use the
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names of its purpose I think I think this this mail has been have a crush on
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a female who he's figured out is also a Hello internet listener and he wanted me
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to ask her out on his behalf
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ask her out of the show would be a novel way to sort of get me in with her just
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say to that person that is no good idea and you are lucky I am NOT doing now
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because it is a terrible idea and also brady you have just raised the
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suspicions of all of these single listeners who are female of the hello
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internet show everyone everyone who falls into that category
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their little bit more on edge now thinking about the people in their life
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that's brilliant though because now I have now everyone feels like involved in
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this segment look at it no longer faced arbitrary and just one person everyone
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can share in the fear and terror of the rage right now we've just made a large
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portion of the audience slightly uncomfortable for clients included well
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anyway the person I am gonna give a shout out to is a young girl named kaden
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who I met at a public event recently in her and her brother who I think was
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called Elliott I'm guessing I'm so sorry forgot that wrong and their mom and
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Caden elliot's mother brought them along to this event because they wanted to
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meet me because I am one-half of hello Internet
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Kate and drew a picture on a canvas she drew a picture of a Jamaican rice rat
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which just between you made a little bit like a cat that looks like a Jamaican
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rice cat I don't get it
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k to drill every picture of a Jamaican rice in a field full of flowers with the
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sun shining and it was using a computer made a change made of che's a cheese
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computer as a rice rat would of course I don't think you would like that we don't
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make computers out of things weigh 128 because we would a tech computers that's
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why we make the metal metal so that we donate them are you not supposed to eat
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computers I didn't know that in fact if there's one person who I would not be
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surprised to find out its computers it would be you say she gave me this
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picture it was really nice very very sweet and cute little canvas to but then
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she said to me can you place a on the show that I gave it to you and say my
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name on the on the show and like and she just said that to me and like her moms
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there and she's there and she's looking at me with a cute face and she just
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given me this wonderful gift which I really love so I just said of course I
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well know boundary pushing Brady its boundary pushing I've done enough kids
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to know about this so you're saying if cute little Kaden just gave you this
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wonderful picture and looked up at you with a key face and said can you plz
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mention that I gave this to you on the show said no and walked away the brady
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that's really what happened this is exactly right I don't need I don't need
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cute little kids harassing me with their gifts all the time making making very
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difficult very awkward social situations where I have to say no ma'am I'm sorry I
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can't accept this gift to a fight because I'm concerned about all of the
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adorable five year old girls in the future
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who will try to blackmail me with their various gifts to mention on the show you
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just can't open up your life to that kind of stuff Brady can open up your
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life that kind of arbitrariness well I did I did say thank you can I tell you
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what you gave this was not the first time this has happened that I got a real
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wake-up call and knew how young audiences there are a lot of very young
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people who listen to hello Internet first of all we need to define a lot and
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we need to define very young and need some parameters here I love is more than
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one more than one got it great and what's the other thing about to find out
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how young are we talking here I'm how many other Internet listeners have you
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run across someone that you would not say swear word in front of
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we've been through this before though I find it very hard not to swear in front
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of children now you don't you say that but you're pretty decent guy is not is
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nothing about decency is nothing about decency again that the trick is if I'm
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ever around your children don't tell me not to swear around your children I will
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naturally be trying not to swear around your children but if you go out of your
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way to tell me not to then the evil part of my brain just wants to take over and
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just constantly curse if you swore Brady if you sweat with you don't know how old
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would it take for a child to be before you would feel comfortable swearing
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around them because you said young enough that you wouldn't swear around
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them so what's the ceiling on this well it depends on the relationship obviously
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a lie if they're a complete stranger want them to be a playmaker age of
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majority here
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well it kinda depends but if it's a younger person but it was likely know my
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nephew or something you would think oh it's so cold that Brady just did
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something a bit naughty uncle Brady yeah I do like the brady let's just say we
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have a lot of very young business and the one thing I wanted from que Dan
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Elliott and my goodness I hope his name is Elliot the one thing I really wanted
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to find out from them when I was talking is why on earth do you listen to hello
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internet and I couldn't i couldn't get I couldn't nail down and I don't know if
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it was because of their parents but it seemed like they were big fans then
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their mom my prediction for our very young listeners is that they are trapped
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in a car with a parent who is listening to hello internet that's how we
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indoctrinate the next wave of Health Net listener so parents out there if your
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fans of the show
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make sure to start them young speaking of indoctrination I have joined Team UBA
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oh really I was at the other night and I was walking home from a dinner and it
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started raining and I got rained on a lot and there are no cabs in Berkeley
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most of the time and I was just thinking I wish I could just get out of this
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problem so when I got home I signed up to even put the app on Mustang
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straightaway have been using up in using it ever since I think I'm in love my
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fifth day maybe fifth or sixth day of movie use
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you liking it so far gray I love it I told you last time it this is like one
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of the top five things that have changed in my life in the last 10 years it's
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amazing not only is it not only is it voodoo witchcraft with the technology
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but it's so fun as well that's almost came upon a bit cuz you can follow
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people's progress on maps and you don't have to ever think about money like that
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the one thing I don't like about cab driver the campuses you know the whole
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money situation that's just taken out of the equation it does encourage good
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relationship so I always have really interesting conversations with my driver
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and in fact I was going to give it a 10 out of 10 super amazing raved about how
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much I love to accept my trip up to the spiritual home of numberphile today to
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record this podcast I had my first boomer problem just as I was about to
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tell you how much I loved it would pay for the first time what was a problem
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when I got in and I put in another thing I really love about it is you don't even
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to yeah but what happened was somehow and spontaneously a few seconds into the
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mistake maybe I didn't I but I don't know what happened but she seconds into
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the trip he said oh did you to change your destination and I looked at his
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phone and it was taking me somewhere completely differently miles and miles
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me from one destination to another and I don't even know where that places I
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certainly don't want to go there I don't know what happened I think there was
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like a ghost in the machine he could put quite possibly started driving to this
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other place before I realized he was going the wrong way when you do trust
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and and this literally happened before my house so that's where you can
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definitely have i mean obviously any technology is always going to have
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occasional bugs I've never had anything like that happen but what I will say is
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that I have always 100% of the time had the drivers questioned me about any rule
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changes they've always confirm that is what you want to do the driver was to
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take an unusual route from location to location be because of traffic they will
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always check with me first and I'll say something like I'm gonna go around this
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way instead of going on the main route because of traffic I get the impression
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that they have some customers who think that they are professional drivers and
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know the best way to go
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like do you do this all day
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trust you about whatever is the best way to go at this time so I've always had
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them check with me for that kind of stuff but the one thing that I can say
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is a little bit dangerous about it as well is because you don't use money and
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you don't even say money it does become a bit like Monopoly money let you almost
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feel like you're getting all these rides for free and I can imagine you could
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easily rack up some interesting bills to just jump in Ann Arbor and I don't even
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need to get my wallet out don't even have to get my cada
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coming off on paper and I can imagine it could come back to bite you
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it also makes and that same reason makes me realize why having like free as part
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of your job package was part of an employee's is quite cool thing I can see
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why you think that was also saying I got up got to have got this salary anderson
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also get free you can imagine it's quite like that oh yeah yeah that that's
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that's a huge perk so the question I want to ask you brady's if you are aware
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of the thing with uber which is that you know how when you're right and you rate
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the driver you know up to 5 stars yet are you aware that the drivers also rate
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you I am aware of that
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yeah how do you feel about that I don't really mind because I was greeted us can
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my drivers lots of questions about who I like every trip for me is like a chance
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to interrogate them how things work and how they feel about and stuff like that
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yeah there there is a joke about hoover that you have it
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until you talk to the driver about hoover while you're right that this this
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is everybody has to do this and yeah well mostly I don't talk to the drivers
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now when I started out every ride was like an interview about how do you like
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this how does it work and and they always seem pretty happy to talk about
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it I think everybody is talking about the job yet they do they do and I've
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been making it clear how you been on the platform for a few days i dont sound
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like an idiot i sort of I i almost apologized for it beforehand saying
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sorry I'm really sorry about these questions then I asked them all my
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questions but it sounds like when they accept me and certainly when I accept
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them they star ratings don't come into its only asked if they're on their way
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that I know what their star rating is and I was saying to them when you get
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the request in this little clock comes up on their phone and I've got like 10
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seconds to decide if they gonna take me or not he was telling me i i dont even
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say star rating of who you are so while the star ratings exists I don't know how
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they're being used to discriminate can people then canceled after his if they
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don't like to start writing the thing is to see the star rating that the driver
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might not have been aware but you need to tap on the profile picture to see the
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star rating before the thinker kurds I can't say when you book a driver you can
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tap on their picture and then it shows it's interesting because I've used uber
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now in several different cities in several different places and it works
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slightly differently in different locations like when I was in North
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Carolina using it
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North Carolina has this bizarre rule which is that cars don't have to have a
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license plate on the front of the car which is crazy making to me but it means
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that when you're trying to find a new book are you can't be sure that you're
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going to be able to see the license plate when you book a car in North
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Carolina there and only their the app shows you a picture of the car with the
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color would you do it in London like it just shows you the license plate so
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things vary from place to place blame where you can see the star rating before
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you book and the way it works with you bernie is that you can cancel within
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whatever it is like two minutes I don't do it often but every once in a while I
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will look at the star rating before a driver comes and every once in a while
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there's there's someone who is clearly about to get kicked off the system
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it seems like there's a dynamic number but roughly speaking it's like if
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they're under four point for their own like a warning systems if I see someone
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who's like 3.9 that someone who's about to get fired and so I will actually
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cancel that ride can I find out what my star rating since this is the thing that
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I think goober should do for the benefits of human society because one of
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the things I was first writing goober I like to ask the drivers is some of them
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seem to work in different areas of the city or if they do different things like
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what are your average customers like who are you driving around and some of them
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seem to specialize in areas where there were lots of parents taking kids around
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some of them to help with businessman I would also like to ask who are the worst
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customer that you've ever had leaked tell me your nightmare story and boy to
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the driver's left to tell you about the worst do they ever had in their car I
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think that goober should make the drivers ratings of the user's visible to
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the user because as it is right now there's no place for you to see what you
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are rated if you ask the driver I've had drivers they'll tell me out of curiosity
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what is my rating on his way now and they let you know what it is but it
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doesn't show you I think that that would be providing a service to humanity if
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they made the customers rating visible to the customer because we'll have the
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things that I've heard from many of the drivers is that the worst customers are
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business dudes guys who expect everything to go their way all the time
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and feel like this is my rule of you know if you think everyone in life is an
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asshole you're the asshole right it's not everybody else but I think there's
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no feedback mechanism to let those people know that they indeed are the
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jerks in the world and so I think if someone like takes a whole bunch of
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arise and they see that the drivers are raiding them two stars all the time this
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is like a feedback mechanism to let you know in a somewhat anonymous way how
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other people do you your actions like I I think it's a possibility for people to
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correct themselves how anonymous gray
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because this is a problem with your thing that anonymity I've been talking
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about electronic voting the last few days with a few experts in electronic
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voting and that has and that is the one issue that comes up all the time as well
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the importance of anonymity is something that comes up a lot and I think you're
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what you're saying cause problems in that respect obviously you're not saying
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that I can say the driver who just who just drove me what they are saying I
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should be obviously my overall rating but surely I can I can reverse engineer
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from that kinda so with the drivers they get a report at the end of the week
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about how their star rating moved and they get a like a random selection of
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the comments that people have left so they don't get to see everything and
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it's all bunched together right that he recuse your rating for the week
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my feeling is for the customers because the customers obviously are doing way
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fewer who rides then the drivers are I think it's easy enough to build into the
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system to say something like you are going to get a report and email to you
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that says your star rating but do it only after every 30 rides and those
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rides have to have had a certain number of different drivers in them
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rights if you took 30 drop rides and it happens to be the same three guys
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because you're in a little area like it won't auto send you the report until you
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say have like at least at least a pool enough different people that you
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couldn't reverse engineer it so I think there's a really simple solution to that
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just at the customers get it much much less frequently than the drivers do
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that's what I would do this is the same CGP grey hoodie a few minutes ago it was
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telling us that he doesn't overthink things he's already come up with the
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feedback mechanism for passengers everyone is going to want me to ask you
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so I have to ask you what has your rating then when you've asked them
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actually just had a guy tell me two days ago that my reading is four point nine
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this means this means somewhere someone didn't give me a five star rating and I
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would love to know why I would love to know what was it like I'm very curious
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but I i think that knowing that the drivers radio it encourages both parties
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to be on best behavior so I feel like I never wanna make the drivers wait you
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know I want to be a nice simple passenger I I think it's I think this is
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exactly the kind of situation where it is helpful to have each person rate the
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other person I bet you gotta to staff from a woman that you called mayhem
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from our show and we actually both put different articles about the same thing
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in the show notes and then I went to click yours and you have a dead link you
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have put a link that doesn't work there's no story there I had to go find
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your thank you and can you tell me what is that not only did I have to find your
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story for you but now I have to summarize it for you i mean you can
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obviously see what I mean I don't care that much about the story I just care
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about where the story happened
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Brady and I both happened to put stories about the ever advancing frontiers of
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autos into the show notes but of course Brady only carried because there was a
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tiny bit of frankly irrelevant and uninteresting auto news but it took
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place in Adelaide so it went into the show notes with an exclamation mark but
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the entirely unremarkable story that Brady put in the show notes was that on
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a test track in Adelaide a self-driving car was tested and this apparently was
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the first time that a self-driving car had been tested within the city limits
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of a delay it was on the same as on the Southern Expressway which is a public
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road although they had closed the section of your dead link makes me
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suspicious about the accuracy of that first story because the story that I
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found about it said it was on a test track somewhere but whatever it happened
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in Adelaide are you proud that you're home city has autos now where these
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there has been an auto in the city but this is for people who have no idea what
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time is everyone knows what has everyone knows it quickly accepted word I'm not
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sure it's gonna take I've told you before that I'm convinced that there
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were just gonna call them cars that was going to happen is the self-driving
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prefix is dropped
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yeah but they need to be there is going to be need to be a period of at least
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five to 10 years where both of them are on the road so if we're going to
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differentiate during that period
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which I thought was a much more interesting story was that in Greece in
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one of their cities they're doing it's what it seems to me like the first
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public test of self-driving transportation technology in that they
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are having a 66 self-driving buses that are going around the city what was that
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big sigh for his graces the one country the nicest up putting people out of work
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didn't think about that whether gotta cut their costs these municipal
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government how that works
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this is what we call a downward spiral but yes they they have six buses that
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they fitted with self driving technology and that they're going right looks more
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like a Mexican Gulf come on a bus anyway yeah it's a it's a bus but it looks like
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it's about six people in total so it's the the interesting thing is not the the
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volume of this but the interesting thing is that it is just on the roads and I
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was reading through it and what it reminded me of his I don't know if
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you've ever seen these crazy like you can find these articles talking about
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the original rules for cars on the road when car is first came about in very
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you have to file with the city in advance where you're going to go and the
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entire time that you're there there's a man on a horse who has to wave a flag in
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front of you and if you see this stuff but they're just like this astounding
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transition period between when cars were very rare and quite accurately fought as
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deadly technology being introduced onto the streets in obviously all of that
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went away very quickly but this this self driving test in Greece to me reads
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tracks if there's any uncertainty about anything so it's like is the most
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cautious thing ever but my feeling is that just like with cars and the super
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cautious rules around cars at the start I i think that once the changeover
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as soon as like normal people can start getting their hands on self driving
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people maybe only once every five years or ten years but my prediction is that
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self-driving I think you end up in a case where it very quickly make sense to
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simply outlaw human driven cars like I think that's what's going to be the case
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here is that we're not gonna end up in a scenario where you're waiting naturally
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for the whole fleet of cars to turn over I think we're gonna end up eventually in
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a situation where human driven cars are outlawed just to say like just starting
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on the highways to say like okay you can't drive a human driven car on the
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highways and expanded outwards I don't know if you ever had something like MADD
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Mothers Against Drunk Driving did you have that in Australia for having an
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England but I know it is but yeah it's like a big pressure group in the United
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know for when you're learning to drive about like to drive drunk and kill
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people and I think that once you have self-driving cars around to some extent
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my prediction is that there is going to be some kind of pressure group like mad
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but for human driven cars where there's going to be some pressure group that
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says the safety gains of self driven cars are so great that we want to try to
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outlaw or severely severely restrict
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human driven cars here in dreamland I don't think I am I don't think I could
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cause its work so well with gun control doesn't let you think you think the
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people who want to keep their cars and the car companies I can apply a little
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pressure you think that you think the the bleeding heart to think that you
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know you want to make the roads safer place are going to be more powerful than
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the people who make cars and there were no here's the thing is that I'm aware
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that car companies economics of driving cars don't need to explain that to me is
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that my point my point
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companies and things like that I don't think that pressure groups in and of
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themselves are often very effective at causing change its my thesis here is not
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that like oh some mad version for human driven cars is going to cause this to
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happen but I think pressure groups are used by larger entities that are driving
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economic benefit from other reasons and so the reason that I think self-driving
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cars will take off so much is because I think there is more economic benefits
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for governments and for companies having them around then there is economic
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benefit for the losing team on the other side by Anna I just think something like
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like a pressure group is used as a political tool to make a thing happen
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but I don't think is the pressure group that causes this thing to happen
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ok that's that's my bed and that this is this is only why I'm so bullish on on
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the self-driving car stuff is because I just think that economics is on the side
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of the self-driving cars there's just too many companies and too many
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institutions that massively benefit from dramatically driving ground
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transportation costs like i just i just think that's the way it's going to go
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i mean clearly so driving cars coming coming we see every day but I don't care
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if I'm wrong about this by the way I haven't got a really strong the owner
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but I do not think that humans being allowed to drive their own cars will be
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banned while you and I are still putting the time horizon that while we are alive
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I mean I would take that bet I would take that of course you will because
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what I mean is I would take a bet I would take a bet on a much sooner time
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horizon I'm not exactly sure what that time horizon would be but I would put
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the within our life thing at like a near 100% probability like I'd be shocked
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about that but the main reason is that humans will be banned from driving their
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own car yeah yeah if the time horizon is our lifetime yeah I would put money on
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that without a doubt I always wanted to make it clear that I'm I am open to the
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possibility that there is something I'm missing something or not considering
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that I may be wrong here but one of the reasons why that I am bullish on this as
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well is because there are there are big advantages to be gained once you don't
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have any human drivers on the road and those advantages have to do with traffic
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flow when you can assume that all of the cars are self driving that has huge
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ramifications for how you manage traffic and stuff sounds crazy but it seems a
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very interesting computer simulations about it when you have all of the car
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itself driving you don't need traffic lights right you like that's the kind of
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advantage you can get once you say look we're just not going to have people here
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anymore and now is a city we don't need to maintain these traffic lights and
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also because the intersections are super efficient now we've massively reduce the
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amount of traffic in the city I think like everybody is all in on that as a
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goal so that's why I think it would be effective the one thing you never talk
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about when you talk about this is the fact that driving a car
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pleasurable experience like people actually enjoy driving cars so you talk
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about efficiencies and this and that and Technology and economics you never
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talked about the fact that humans like driving cars like they like controlling
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the vehicle motoring is a pleasant experience I know it's not present when
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your stationery on a la oh yeah but a lot of the time and like so you think
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people just gonna let that go without a doubt there is a pleasure to be derived
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from riding horses a car does not replicate the pleasures of a horse like
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riding a horse outdoors the connection with you and the animal like I've ridden
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it's a different it's a different experience I was gonna make it like I
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haven't driven very much at all in the last few years but some of my fondest
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memories of my life are related to driving like I understand the pleasure
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of driving a car I really do but I do not view that as a convincing counter
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arguments to people like this thing therefore this thing won't change like
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I'm absolutely sure there were lots of people who love their horses and thought
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why don't you know I never want to give up my horse right this car is stinky and
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noisy and it's not even remotely as nice as this horse this car can take me home
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when I'm drunk like my horse can because the horse it's going I think the
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question is not in the abstract are there benefits from the current
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situation of course there are without a doubt there are the question is do
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people appreciate the benefits of a car more than say the abilities that a
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self-driving car will give them for example the benefits of being able to
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relax much more on their morning commute I think people will take that benefit of
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I can just kick back in my car and relax as it drives me to work instead of
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having to be really frustrated about this traffic I think people will pick
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that over boy the occasional road trip I did through the corn in kansas was just
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an amazing experience like I don't think that works that works out in the end in
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people oh I want to keep my car because of that
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you have to compare what the what the benefits are on either side so
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continuing with follow-up with crashing through the follow-up as usual setting
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the fastest pace I don't know I've got to say I don't know why I constantly
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have this worry that was just like oh there's nothing for us to talk about
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what are we going to talk about that we have made it the real lines in school
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and this is the advantage I have doing a podcast is one of life's great over
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think is really irritating me I do not over the course of course you should
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never let me know that it's irritating you get up let's talk about YouTube read
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what's the what's the latest we spoke about this at length last time we spoke
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about it too much length I think once every ten episodes we have to talk about
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the YouTube industry saying that is ostensibly what we both do in this show
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on earth is in the official show description that we talked about you to
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everyone but yes so we recorded that episode before any of the earnings stuff
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came in from YouTube read and as we are currently recording the free trial free
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quotation marks trial is going on with you to bed there's a lot of
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complications around that I don't want to get into but we can summarize them by
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saying that yes creators are to some extent possibly to a lesser extent being
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compensated for the lost ad revenue during this free period but it occurred
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to me earlier today that we have a week's worth of some YouTube read data
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and as we discussed last time it's very hard to know from YouTube what they are
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really doing with their algorithms for how they determine revenue split but
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then I realized oh wait I actually run two different YouTube channels that are
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wildly different in their watch times so I have my channel YouTube channel where
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I mean videos are almost always less than four minutes but I also upload all
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of the stuff to be
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internet YouTube channel where the videos are vastly
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Astley longer and so what I decide to do is play around with some of the numbers
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and see ok if you to bread is distributing its revenue based on watch
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time then the hello Internet YouTube channel should have a higher percentage
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of its income coming from YouTube read than my CGP grey channel does and I went
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through and I ran through some of the numbers and I checked it and that is
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exactly the case that YouTube rate is currently three percent of the total
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revenue of the CGP grey channel and it is 12% the total revenue of hello
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internet channel so I feel like this is data that confirms yes it is really
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being distributed on watch time because otherwise there's no reason that that
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disparity would exist it is going to have some confirmation in numbers of
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what we were guessing and what we were sort of told by YouTube
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you know what that means gray more hello internet less CGP grey rubbish is that
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what you think it means I have no idea what it means I should put my
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spreadsheet concedes a Morrissey GB gray and less hello internet that but that's
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where the CEO of gray industries once you gotta follow your heart and not the
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money I show i moustache police investigate what's happening across my
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fleet of channels at some point but that the thing is again we're in this in this
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funny starting phase and looking at looking at the numbers my what I'm
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guessing is happening is that it doesn't seem like the revenue is to be clear to
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listeners up 12% I'm saying 12% of the total revenue is coming from YouTube
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read but the advertising revenue is down and so it looks like these things are
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just balancing each other out for the time being but we're also in this funny
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trial period so we really really won't know what's going on for several months
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until all the stuff shakes out so we'll we'll keep you up to date with the
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latest of YouTube news as always
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now the hello Internet flag referendum which is the the thing that has the
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buzzing obviously yes the whole internet everybody at once to know about the
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hello Internet flag referred yeah yeah I mean I'm getting stopped in the street
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and also you know it's crazy like a national celebration and international
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celebration it is it's amazing it's amazing so I just a carrot to meet the
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people on the International Space Station can't vote because they can't
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get post cuts down so we we haven't really allowed for that so we must we
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must look into that anyway there's always corner cases sorry astronauts we
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have set deadline for votes yes so this is this is going to hopefully come down
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some of the people who just sweating because there is no deadline and instead
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of going out and voting they seem to be dedicating overtime to emailing me why
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they should be a deadline so I suggested instead of worrying about it just go and
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vote for Brady Brady this to me is the fact that this bothers you it seems like
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such a pretty characteristic
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just constantly irritated at this fact that people are harassing you about the
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deadline and to me it's more like you've never been a teacher if I said if I said
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this I meant and I said all the deadlines at some point in the future I
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guarantee you ninety percent of the energy from everybody would be about
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harassing about the deadline no amount of like why don't you work on your
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homework instead I would mollify the crowd just like this seems so natural to
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me but this is your your your workaholic hard as nails Brady get stuff done
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tendencies just don't don't run this way this is like you coming up against the
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well Saito those people who have been emailed me about it Gray has just
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described you as acting like a bunch of school kids and I think that's probably
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fair enough of course I've been doing exactly what the deadline that's why I
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like my sympathies are with these people
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deadline the deadline my friend is December 3 the votes must be in the
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postal box not the postbox not your post box the votes must have
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arrived at my P O box right in Brady's P O box in Bristol and I know he can
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decide you gonna say oh I live in the mountains in Western Bhutan and
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postcards take three months to arrive anywhere
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well then just like the people on the space station I'm afraid your votes will
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not be counted in this election because there are none and I'm not I don't care
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when you think was postmarked I don't care when it was sent that's when I
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arrived in the box and if that discriminates against you I really
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regret there and I wish they hadn't happened but we have to count those
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votes and we are doing that we have decided the date that we're going to
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count the votes and to do that I need the postcodes do you really regret it
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though I don't feel any any tiny sense of regret you have to pick a date I do
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if if someone sent a postcard the day we announced because they live in some
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obscure place or Italy which has the worst postal system in the world because
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they live in some obscure place their postcode doesn't arrive I genuinely feel
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bad about that I don't think there's anywhere on earth that if someone had
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sent the postcard the day the podcast went up about the flag referendum that
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it wouldn't arrive in your post box by then because it's like a month later
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that like a month later it's more than that it's well over a month later say I
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I hope that's the case by the way if you ever in Roman you want to send a
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postcard don't send in Rome go to the Vatican and send it there because their
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postal system is amazing and that's a little tip for new players if you want
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to send mail from Rome going to the Vatican I have to imagine that any place
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in the world that's going to take more than a month to get a postcard somewhere
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is not a place with a high number of podcast listeners that is probably true
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but I'm sure but I bet I'll be hearing from them that's for sure you know Brady
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just like how we still get tweets from people who tell us that they are not on
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a plane currently have postponed till the end of time now you know what I'm
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tired I'm totally cool with that and I think that we should leave that hello
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what's called flag flag flag yeah I think we should leave the address their
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further for future people that listen to the podcast and they can still send a
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postcard and tell me what they would have voted for and do what they like
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because you know that we may use that post box for other things so so you can
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still send something in don't feel excluded and you know if you want me to
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say you're funny postcard and go ahead and do it but if you want to count in
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work and granting grin I will scoop them all up and will be going through your
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me Shirley yeah I'm really looking forward to this I'm really looking
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forward to this everyone is still tweeting pictures of themselves sending
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in their votes which are really cool so one person's sent in sent me a picture
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of their postcard from in front of the white house and things like that but my
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favorite goes to at T underscore animal who showed me the postcard they've sent
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in and basically what they've done is over the section where their votes are
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written all these post-it notes in some configuration so that the the the postal
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workers can't say what they voted for the top of the post-it notes is secret
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voting information underneath soon may only be removed by hello Internet staff
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I love I love I love that so that's has spoiled ballot though
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well that's what they said in that way they've written output posts 11 my vote
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to keep it secret is that legal question mark so and that's a fair question don't
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anyone else took we may have to discuss spoiling the face if we get hundreds of
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people doing that's going to be a pain in the butt of all those post this is
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why we actually had the rule about no envelopes because we were trying to get
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that kind of thing it sounds ridiculous to say we have no envelope rule because
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we don't want to open the envelopes but again we know from experience that this
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kind of stuff when you have to do it in the hundreds opening the envelopes makes
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a severe difference
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if they were hundreds and hundreds of lines with secret ballots on it I think
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we would have to declare it as spoiled ballot this guy T underscore animal
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they're getting in with this one but nobody nobody imagined to the picture
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that was sent on Twitter to make sure it's the correct one that one gets a
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special ticket for an unspoiled ballot but nobody else i'm too I'm dying to
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find out how many are going to be there I think we could get past two thousand
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here quite easily it's not out of the realm of possibility we can have so much
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data as well great we haven't discussed this year and I'm sure you and i will
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discuss and make a formal announcement soon but I do like the idea of us
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somehow making over the data public as much of the data public as possible and
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people can manipulate in order in different ways and I think we should
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kind of you know open source in some way that works that we think is appropriate
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so we'll see what we can do about that but we haven't discussed it I've already
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been thinking about this because no no I have been appropriately thinking it but
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I have been I had been wondering about how to get the reference data into some
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sort of shareable format because when you doing in Alternative Vote it's
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actually quite easy to count the ballots physically like to physically move them
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around piles is a very easy thing to do
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which one the reasons why I selected this as opposed to some other methods
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but the thing that to me is interesting is to see an aggregate amount of data
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about where do first preferences go how to the second preferences breakdown and
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so like it's easy to count but there's a much more complicated story to be told
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in the preference data itself
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well one of the things I've been thinking about and again I have I have
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not discussed this with you doing it publicly on a podcast for the first time
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might not be the smartest idea but you know I'ma go with the flow kind of guy
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you are just a nice guy but we did say unlike the official page with the
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instructions that what you write on the postcard may be seen on the Internet
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we made that clear because you know we're gonna video the accounting so
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everyone is aware that what's on this postcard it could be public and we even
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said if you put your name on there be aware of the internet so we have said
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that so we could feasibly just scared the backs of all the postcards and just
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let's say two people sort of that yourselves but I'm not totally sure
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about that I think maybe that's not there are no easing
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I'm trying to think about how do you actually get this stuff in a shareable
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format and I think there are actually enough postcards where this may be a bit
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like we need to bring some extra people to help us but there's the front of the
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postcards which would be interesting if we can share them in some way and then
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there's the there's two sections of the back which is potentially has something
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like a return address on it depending on how people write a post card out so it's
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like say we can share that with us what I like obviously that can't that can't
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be there but there's at least going to be half of the postcard which is
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theoretically shareable because it's just a list of preferences and then
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maybe a funny thing at the bottom but that that i think is gonna have to be
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something that we see when when when when we get closer to the day but I'm
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honestly thinking like do we need to hire someone to help us in put all of
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the pressure and stuff into a spreadsheet to share on the internet I
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think we might have to rethink brady's nephew could be could be cashing in here
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with the day's work maybe look at that put him up put into it before scanning
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all my brown papers for number files and maybe this could be a job and rolling
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out the papers on the million pie dating right now yeah he was one of he was one
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of the slaves there as well December 3 you've been told and we will also
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Twitter and Facebook or whatever however we share things and then people will
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still complain that we didn't tell them
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well you'll to it I'm not under way which we might come to that is being
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released in November and that is a big months in the world of facial hair so
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how appropriate that I get to talk about today sponsor carries November as almost
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everyone knows can also be code November this is a time when people raise money
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throughout the month
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normally men that do that from my experience now for some people that
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means the end up looking really cold or in my case a little bit silly I took
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part in Movember a couple of years back and as luck would have it I recorded
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video during that period which ended up being really successful in having a
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really long shelf life unfortunately every time I show it to someone that
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also means I have to explain this was recorded in November and they kind of
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nodded in understanding why but it is a really great goals and it's really great
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fun and november is supported by Harry's carries as the events official raisa
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partner and you know how I among all people of things that are official they
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even have a special Movember shave said you can check it out on the website I'm
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sure you all know the Harry story by now this is a company started based on
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selling high-quality raises and shave sets but not at the stupid prices you
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find in most stores
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I've got a hairy set myself it's called The Winston a lovely waiters classy
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looking handle and high quality replacement blades available at the
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click of an internet button so what are going to start a set delivered to your
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door it's free delivery and that comes with a razor handle three blade
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cartridges and your choice of shaving cream or foaming shave gel and comes in
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really cool packaging to the harry's packaging is spot on Harry's will give
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you $5 off your first order if you use the code a child so go to Harry's dot
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com H a double R Y S dot com pick out what you like I like the Winston you
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might like something different and then enter that code H on checkout that's a
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child for hello internet then no no you came from the show our thanks to Harry's
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for their continuing support hello internet and 10 also check out what
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they're up to this Movember really good course I didn't actually we're obviously
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there were two flag referendums going on in the world at the moment that have
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captured the imagination
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hello Internet flag referendum being the most important obviously and there's
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also the New Zealand situation which I think New Zealand situation is probably
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an appropriate name for after the debacle of their flag 830 shame real
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same with the doing over there only
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shaming example of how to run this sort of thing for them to follow its too late
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it's too late for them I don't know if it's too late for Fiji because I have
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any just been made aware of the fact that it seems Fiji is another country
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which has got fed up with having a Union Jack in the corner of their flag and a
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going for a new flag and they're going through a process as well why are you
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saying it in this weird way is it 3G
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this is this is one of those words that you and I gonna say differently why do
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you say I say gee that's weird I think it's an Australian think maybe it's just
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a brady thing but I think maybe it's an Australian thing but now you're saying
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it more like me I think I just polluted your brain with its I say Fiji
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but you said like your job or something in the beginning I i say Fiji yes yes I
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split up more than you were is you sort of say more continuously and we could
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spend a long time talking about the pronunciation of this country if you
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insulation while the distracting I'm sorry but it's just bizarre Bazaar which
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is why I had to comment on it it is well I think it's crazy that you say but I
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had to do with us
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yeah you have to do with AJ so come to my rescue Australians and say that we
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are pronounced incorrectly together but maybe it maybe it's just me whatever you
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wanna call that country F
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let's call it country F now they get a new flag I was not aware of the Fiji
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flag referendum was going on so they seems to be an official website that the
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government is running or it seems like it's the official website I am NOT going
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to recommend that because it is a bit like wading through treacle even trying
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to find the pictures so I put this other Lincoln the show notes for you great
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which seems to be some third party that has put them has put them all into one
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place so you can run an eye over them up once I think that's all of them and AM I
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allowed to click this because you have the you have a note here that says I'm
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not allowed to click this will that's because I wanted people to hear your
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first reaction to seeing them and now people can hear because we're recording
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a podcast you may now click on it so people can do things I have to admit
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that I do not have any idea what the Fiji flag currency looks like I look
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that up first you got a current Fiji flag first hope you should explain to
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people what the current legs sorry sweetie I can't think of your flag off
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CID CID I grew up with ya he grew up with the flag of Fiji yeah cause you
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know it's it's it's on my doorstep when Australian it's just it's one of these
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standard British Territorial places flags so there is the union jack in the
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upper left-hand corner much like New Zealand
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the rest of the flag is light blue almost sian yes like to realize it's not
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the same blue eyes that's in the Union Jack they've given up like a light blue
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Union Jack is a light blue jacket is navy blue exactly on the Australian flag
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in the museum flag
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the blue of the flag is the same as the blue of the Union Jacks up fits in
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nicely in my opinion on valujet sort of stands out of it doesn't it doesn't
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quite a few cheap food you picked a different blue light blue and they have
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a face shield in the in the corner where there are on the right hand side where
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there is space with Lion on the top and some looks like some local flora and
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fauna in the bottom quadrants of the shield complicated quite busy shooed I'm
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like I'm being a less harsh than I would normally be because this to me just fits
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in with this whole universe of flags that look exactly like this
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of all of the various former British territories or dependencies in one way
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or another is not a good looking flag but there's a ton of flags that look
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just like this in their own in their own ok to take a look at the link that you
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have hear from you have a look at the candidates for a new flags now I don't
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know what the situation is I don't know what's weird if there is like a
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referendum I've read a bit about the same like it's an official thing that
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the government's doing I think I think we're heading towards a new flag and
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there there are some candidates they're just glancing at it I mean I would say
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most of these are probably better than the current flag again because the
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current flag is not great but these look like I would be curious know the design
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process by which these came into existence because these are a lot of
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very similar looking flags so all of them have that same cyan light blue
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color background to them and almost all of them have a triangle on the left hand
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side pointing across the flag
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or they have a ship design somewhere else and it's it's a bit like in the New
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flags that were the same except for color palette swaps and we have these
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Fiji flags there are a lot of them that are very similar with a small design
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change it makes it harder to pick out which one you immediately like because
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many of them are so similar and we are looking at a couple of the night at the
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bottom design 56 and designed 57 are the science background and then I don't know
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what kind of brown sale in the center with a flower design in the middle of
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the sale may be and as far as I can tell the only difference between these two
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designs is the number of petals on the flower design if the sector that's quite
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specific 57 has a little palm tree in the middle of the flour and 56,000 oh is
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that what it is I'm looking at this page has done a smart thing which is reduced
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real life when you're looking at a flag in your visual field it's really only
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two inches across
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them down 56 and 57 are almost impossible to tell apart as are many of
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the others
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yeah and like 54 and 55 is funny because it's like a boat sailing on the water
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and just the boat has been moved at one of them say they like giving you every
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possible little variation invariant and permutation to vote right do you like
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your boat in the center of the flag or do you like it more towards the left
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yeah it's a bit like hanging a picture of something so anyway
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anyway I think maybe we should take a bit more time to digest and figure out
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what's going on here because this is new information to both of us and we don't
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want to go rushing in talking about a referendum we don't fully understand
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because way of all people we have all people understand how important and it
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is so much about the details I wanna know how are these flags created how is
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the boat going to happen there many many things to know here
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the many things to know here I'm just looking at them to see which ones they
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that that light blue is a real anchor for them because I really unfortunate
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color and combining it with brown as they have in a few variations here is
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out of the question as far as I'm concerned Brown is a difficult color to
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work with at the best of times combining it with Siam is not a good choice not a
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good choice
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some of the boats are a bit complicated but some of the more stylized sale ones
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looked too much like the corporate flag of a local councilmen things that say hi
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gonna be breeding each other's hair doing our nails watching Mean Girls I
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course of a few years and their relationship develops from there doesn't
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flicks to you so we should have a we should have a not compare notes on what
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clear rules about how things work out things don't work there so many bad ones
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straddle the line for more broader audiences I would say love actually is a
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very good quality that is it is it is very good it is very good we have to
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we could have a chick flick episode of other Internet we just review review a
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the end maybe I mean honestly it sounds like this is fertile territory we might
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have a whole spinoff podcast which is the chick flicks did I'd be set up for
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that would be totally
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you know what we could actually become a major voices and influence on the chick
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flick industry if the podcast became big enough yeah yeah like our reviews make
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seen he's an end the CGP grey is even giving a flower to the caveman an
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emerging flower but you have got to see this
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will finally find the link for the show notes but yes that I have to say seeing
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you know definitely a Halloween sometimes friends dress up as each other
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details so to those costumes those are really good now one other listening and
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diplomatic reception room I like it I like this idea of hello internet I
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propose to you now that Chris who not only had got hello internet picture with
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the first inductee into the hello internet hold a flame we second we
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Hall of Fame now this is not an easy thing to get into people I don't want
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the hell out into the hall of fame and a first inductee is Chris congratulations
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of Mount Everest million from they will have a strong chance of being inducted
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the first the first person to listen to the podcast on mars for example I have a
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strong case but I don't want i dont wanna put it in a box and doesn't just
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that will happen organically right thinking you have got me thinking we
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that's not a bad idea that's not a bad idea at all I see when you say striking
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medals now I get much more behind this I like this because then also that also
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a cold hello into the Hall of Fame what is needed to name just need something
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such an important thing but yeah but there's there's something there
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here's what we're gonna have to do I think this is a momentous decision
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this can't be like a feature on 5003 just decide live on the show his gas
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that it needs a an important sounding name so I think this is also something
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whatever it is the first one will be going to Chris
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living a shorter life that the train I might take 10 years off the end of my
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the worst years they come off the end so while we are discussing her renewed
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efforts on a healthy lifestyle we also can of course discuss the list yes I can
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the things that I really think about this kind of stuff what do you think I
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just think about Brady now I think with anything like health or any kind of long
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long change long-term changes you want to make I find it very helpful to think
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about it not in terms of how I'm doing this thing and I'm going to make a
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change and then if I fail than that that's bad I think it's best to do to
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focus on it in terms of getting back on the wagon is actually the skill that you
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need to develop but you should expect that many times especially when you
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start something new you are going to fall off the wagon and the thing that
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matters is the getting back on right it's not calling off true true and
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that's always my problem my problem is as we've discussed before I was at the
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senator that
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demise will fail completely and what you're saying is don't have that as you
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know except except Joe lapses and don't just throw it all in
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let you know don't never give up more importantly I think it's it's not even
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accept your lapses its understand that this is part of the process and the
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question is over the space of a long period of time are you getting better at
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this or not better at this but the individual apps like this is just a
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thing that happens is this just a paris FR start thinking about this when I was
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reading about his reading about people who quit smoking and some research I
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like what is effective and what is not effective and that one of the things
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that was coming out of this research was that almost nobody is successful
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quitting smoking the first time that people who actually quit smoking for a
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require 456 serious attempts at quitting smoking before they're actually
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successful at it and that what the results are showing is that the process
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here is that if the attempts at quitting that they are learning what their own
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failure conditions are but they're learning what are the kind of things
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that caused them to fall off the wagon and that they're getting better at this
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than I think we're not doing weekly weigh in this time but I just felt like
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I want to mention just a couple of things about like for anybody who wants
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to join us on the 55,000 I think this is a useful thing to keep in mind
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that's good it's really good advice and i also want to mention because I totally
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forgot to say last time simply back a bit about this
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the exercise shirt that we have such you can join Team sit around 5,000 they're
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actually exercise shirts yes they are made of polyester where I should find
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the actual description of them but they became has an attorney Brian they have
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the moisture wicking these are not the regular cotton t-shirts that you happen
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to be able to exercise I i especially asked if he be a if they could make real
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exercise shirts for us and this is the thing that they were able to do so this
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is their serious serious exercise shirts to to get started with but there was
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some confusion over that last time this is how incident man we don't mess around
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when we're gonna be meeting medals soon
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yeah now it's it's it's it's it's real stuff and 22 other just minor points
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then switches that I don't know if there's going to be anything that's it
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then switches that I don't know if there's going to be anything that's it
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really done with it but I did make the Videotron 5,000 subreddit in case people
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want to discuss the theater and lifestyle with my god what have I done
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to you and I also feel like we need to settle on an official visit Iran 5,000
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hashtag because on Twitter since you're so constrained for space actually
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writing out for 25,000 takes up a lot of what you want to do so I think the
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official hashtag should be hashtag fot 5 k that's what that support should do it
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i'm not i'm not i'm not as enamored with them but I can say the logical and is
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quite funny that you've done it so let's do it
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hashtag fot fuck a shot of Patron can actually write for the patron 5,000
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you've lost twenty percent of your words that that's a joke to me but yeah you're
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right you sometimes you just gotta be practical to be practical sometimes so
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anyway I'm just throwing that out there if people want to talk about getting
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started or discuss whatever strategy not that not that I encourage more people to
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read a cause I think you're ready the poster boy for read it too much but what
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what are you expecting people to put on the footage from 5,000 suburb subject to
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some private like they're like their their stories their inspirational
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stories the pictures of them with the show and i know i know im viewing this
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as the opposite of the CGP grey subreddit I keep really locked down like
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I'm the only one who composed of that I make them make the discussions official
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and there are advantages and disadvantages doing it that way whereas
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footage on five thousand I'm just throwing it open to the winds that this
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this one is this one is for the community I'll be curious to see what if
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anything people want to post their but like I was just thinking of a forum for
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me getting started with this stuff I guess it's useful to see different
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strategies that people use a different things that people try like this there's
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a lot out there and it's hard to say that what's going to work for everybody
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the thing that I had been really aware of that has been successful for me is
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totally startling which is which is doing weight training that even though
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that is not actually directly related at all to weight loss I have found that the
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that lifting weights in the gym which is a thing I just never thought that I
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would do I'm just not that kind of guy but having that has been this
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surprisingly helpful through line that has made for me like getting back on the
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wagon consistently easier when it's like oh there's this other area of my life
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which is health related it's not weight loss related but it's also an area it's
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like oh ok I can see that I make consistent progress as long as I do this
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relatively simple thing and that's something that has been totally
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surprising to me but has definitely been one of the things that has has helped me
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a lot with getting started like that's one of my little pieces of advice for
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some people like if like me you think of yourself as like a nerd and not the kind
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of the person not the kind of person who would go to the back of the gym where
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the free weights are
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I was this guy and I have supply have found that surprisingly effective for me
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anyway did trainers in the personal trainer is not always tell you
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lifting weights is a good way to lose weight but tell you i think is going to
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happen on the finish on five thousand subreddit it's gonna be just lots of
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people talking and not a lot of people listening
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everyone's going to go on this swearing by their method and saying this is the
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only way to do it everyone else is doing it wrong and you should pay attention to
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this and you should do this and then the next person say this is how you should
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do I make my people could read them and the internet is for arguing Brady
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that that's the purpose of the machine that allows people to argue with each
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other I wanted Internet community but I don't want people to argue is like well
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to take your ball and go home
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want to ship into the world well you need a website to promote that thing and
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so you're going to want to score a good demeaning and hover is the place that I
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can definitely recommend that you used to do that you want to just make the
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find the domain name you want
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get it up and running you're all set now if you have a registered a domain name
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just fall into like traps but however is here to help if you're in that situation
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in and liberate your domain names bringing them into the harbor world if
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you have an idea in your head right now for something that you want to make real
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go secure your domain name for it right now before somebody else gets it and
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well having just told people to go to a subreddit and given them a hashtag the
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let's talk about the CGP grey weird kind of silence with all these things for the
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next however long you want to talk about this pretty quickly because I think
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you've I think this is vintage grey over thinking
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and over reacting like i read your little article about and which was which
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written and I understand I understand the logical but I just think I just
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think you're overdoing it
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this how you know because the other day that was a nice weight and so I I texted
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to you and said oh great have a look at this way it's really nice and you
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couldn't even open because like you said I can't look at Acas on Twitter and so
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presumably have some technical ban in place of stocks evening out with a look
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at Twitter if you want oh and I think I think that's a bit extreme yet just as
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article on my website called dialing down where I talked about a bunch of
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things in my life that I want to reduce to some extent over the next month
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intentionally a little bit vague on on precisely what I'm doing when I wrote
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that article because it is a process that I am going through but yeah I
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wanted to reduce some of the things and so one of the things that I have done is
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all of my devices now reddit's is blocked and twitter is blocked so yes
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when Brady send me a link
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he's like look at this Tweet if I tap on it it just opens nothing it just opens a
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blank page in the browser on the machine that I'm on I haven't posted anything
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directly on Twitter for bill is this is the 8th of November so since the first
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of November I think I haven't posted anything directly and yeah I'm
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dramatically dolly back on Reddit and a bunch of other things this month I i
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dont i dont think its I don't think it's over thinking anything I don't think
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you're dialing down there I think your packing up will switch off you know I've
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said this before about you when you do you disagree with me strongly and as
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your run but I think this is another example of CGP grey binge behavior it's
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like it's like the opposite of binging it's like Angie binging you've gone from
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confusing something just not using it all this snow
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there's no sort of tampering or just modifying its just like I'm gone gone
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thats it and turning it off and I just think it's why I say the benefit to us
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and I i see how much time I believe away to Twitter and read and things like that
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and I admire you for taking such strong action and you know grasping the nettle
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to use attorney you know I like I just think I just think it seems like
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overkill think it seems like you just don't know my my feeling on it is I'm
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having I'm having a hard time expressing why I wrote that article and precisely
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what I'm trying to achieve but I think one of the things I'm trying to figure
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out is how much of the external world do I want to let into my life and I mean
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that in the broadest of all possible ways I'm also not listening to podcasts
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on my phone this month which is another thing that I used to do just a lot and I
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think in trying to find like what is the appropriate level of external stuff
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coming into my life it's it's useful to try for a while what i think is a level
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that is too low to try like I'm trying to find try like calibrates what is what
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is the level at which I want to have external stuff come into my life and so
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I'm trying to have it be too low to get a better sense of where is the median
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point my case it's like you've got music and you decide what the best vol is so
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you've turned the tile all the way down to zero and you just gradually gonna
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turn it up until you find the level you like in some ways that might be what I
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try to do over the next little while and so this this month I'm intentionally
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lower than is reasonable I do not live a life where it is possible to not be on
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a level that can be maintained for a long period of time but maybe the the
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volume analogy is a is a good analogy that you turning at lower and then
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trying to turn it up to see what's to see what happens are defined to find
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where is the comfortable place for this but I don't know it's been weird like
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I've been doing it for about seven days now and in some ways my life doesn't
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feel all that different actually like I miss Twitter much less than I expected I
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would this is also why I felt like I wanted to commit to this to commit to
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this for awhile commit to it said like trying this for a month because I also I
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than a week i doing it for a slightly uncomfortable amount of time is is where
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you really figure something out anyway yes that's the thing that I'm doing it
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does it does mean that I'm not seeing what people send me on Twitter and I am
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I am going on ready but only when I'm posting some things you like when this
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podcast goes up beyond ready for a little bit to see the feedback from
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people that is important but I'm not just like hanging out on reddit
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like I used to I'll be curious to see how it unfolds and you're out great
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article is definitely worth of great people so the show knows for sure gonna
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have a look it up I do think I don't know I just think you sort of make you
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making yourself this kind of virtual hermit and doing things sort of in your
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extreme way and that's good I mean it's good that you do it so the rest of us
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can benefit from the results going to lab is what you mean pretty I mean I
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signed endlessly frustrating because it just makes you you know harder to
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communicate with that you know a problem you have been replying to my emails and
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texts in sort of the usual time frames so I guess I can't complain it's a shame
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that I think you need to tweet what the new deadline is for error but I got a
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lot of people will follow your Twitter don't follow the other ones but ok I'll
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do that I'll do that through the system that I'm using something called buffer
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even though I can't access Twitter there's this website where indirectly I
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post something to this website which then posted on Twitter so I have access
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to that ok maybe you're right I will post the the deadline for the elements
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that flag referendum to buffer yeah this is this is crucial information that is
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crucial information is vitally important
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vitally important we'll watch this space I would like to talk to you about again
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because although a joke about it and I talked about your big penis and I think
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you're overthinking it over cooking as usual I think it is you know I think
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this is one of the real professional problems for people like us and it's a
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huge problem for me and so I do admire your ability and discipline to do this
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even though I think maybe taking a bit so I'll be really curious to find out
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the results this to me felt very much like the the the day that I set up the
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grade Twitter health spa where some part of my brain said this is a good idea I
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don't exactly know why but it feels like it's a good idea let's do this really
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quickly before we think ourselves out of it and so that article was was a similar
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thing like something about this feels like a good idea let's put this article
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up as fast as possible before we can think of all the reasons why we
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shouldn't do this case have a question for you is this just came up in a
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conversation earlier with someone else today and the question is do you sub
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vocalize
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question to us about class I guess my first question would be what does that
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mean right so I only recently learned what the word
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vocalize means as well I came across this thing I just realize what I'm just
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about to say to make fun of me but I was reading a book on how to read books
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thinking he has a few weeks ago I thought I read a lot of books I should I
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should think about how he looks better and so I found no DVD finished the book
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you're reading about how to breathe
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that's right time I just invited to that one
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you're reading a book about how to read books yet so I came across this little
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section we've talked about this thing that they called sub vocalizing and what
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this means is when you are reading something if you're reading an article I
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read a discussion thread whatever it is so now I'm directly asking you Brady
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when you do this is there a narrator in your head that you hear reading the
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words to you when you read that don't think so
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it's like one of those things that when you think about how you do it you
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suddenly forget how you do it ok so here is the conclusion I've come to with this
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cause I i've asked a few people about this since I came across this and my
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conclusion is the the fact that you are doubting is an indication that you
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generally don't drive has when I asked people you get either get the answer
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people immediately say yes or you get exactly what you do which is like do I
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hear a voice I don't think I hear a voice but the people who hear ur voice
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when they read they know where they're not uncertain in the slightest it's very
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hard case more than a dime because I'm definitely not said this blew my
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freaking mind because I didn't know that anyone could read without hearing a
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narrator in their head the whole time that they're reading this is astounding
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to me that such a thing is even possible that a person can look at the words and
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not hear someone in their head
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reading the words to them so you do something I do some vocal eyes and I did
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not know if it was possible to read without doing this this is just
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astounding to me who's doing what they sound like it sounds like me reading in
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my head so you sort of hear your voice you've got a nice voice at least you got
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a nice voice reading too so i dont know dont wondering if I 2010 so so when
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you're reading a book right and thats been written in like say the third
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person and then there's a quote Mark you know John walked up to the the bank
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teller instead could I have $20 place
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the Qatari could I have $20 in quotes
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voices that in this in my voice is still in my voice that's okay so it's not like
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you're in a rate of the wetness quotes Golden Compass write my own voice
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doesn't put on a voice for itself
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reading above it doesn't try to do the girl parts in a girly voice this is not
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what's happening in my head but it is as though I was just reading something out
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loud in my normal voice of course what I mean is I don't hear it like like an
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auditory hallucination hear a voice but this is this is this is the kind of like
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there's a voice
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ok so here's where I'm going with this which is the other thing that that then
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this is led on to me with some other people which is like so when you think
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thoughts do you think thoughts and words or do you think thoughts and not words
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and show you how to answer I always ask people who speak two languages too I say
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to you think in English or do you think in German rights they always say that
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always to have another the lowest I think in English or I think I had a
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teacher who said I think about physics in German cause I learnt physics in
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Germany that I think about telling your story I think in English so the more
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accurate way to say it is it's not really like I'm hearing my voice like
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with my years in my head but the voice that is reading the book in my head is
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the same as the voice that thinks the thoughts in my head but it's also this
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realization that I hate it seems like the same people who don't sub vocalize
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their the same people who seem to not think thoughts and words
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when I focus on it I am pretty sure that I am NOT capable of having a thought
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that is not verbally expressed inside my own brain if it's it's like Heisenberg's
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uncertainty and all that likes the Act the act of observing your thoughts I
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think immediately puts them into words so I think I think I think it's the
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minute you think about it like the whole the wavefunction collapses and suddenly
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all your thoughts here in words I think that's quite possible and and when
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you're not thinking about other online that's exactly what I would expect in on
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some vocalize her to say when I look at it it it it forms in words and I'm very
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much aware they get from walking around it like parts of my brain are talking to
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other parts of my brain like there's like there's a little narration that's
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going on in there about this is how thoughts are expressed they are
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expressing a very vocal way and at least an at least in my father with reading it
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seems like this matches up pretty clearly that the same people who when
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they read a book they hear a thought they hear a voice in their head reading
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the book to them seem to be the same people mostly who when they think
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thoughts the thoughts are very verbal thoughts and they don't seem to think
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thought that are not so horrible thoughts but I just like my I would have
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predicted that you were in Anza vocalize their just because we're so different in
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absolutely everything that it seemed like it would be astounding to me if
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we're the same on this one but this is this is one of those things where it's
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just you come across a thing and you think how did I not know about this
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difference between people like this is it almost reminds me of like when I was
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a kid and i got glasses for the first time and I was blown away by the way
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normal people can see it's like how did I not know that the existence like this
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you can recognize a person from across the street by their face not by how they
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walk that's amazing
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but I feel like the the sub localizer thing is the same thing that I can I
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just cannot understand how anyone can read without hearing the words in their
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head that is unbelievable to me my instinct here is that in fact we do do
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the same thing we describe it differently like my I just find it so
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hard to believe that we would do you think we would sink or raid so
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differently so my instinct is what I do when I read is the same as you but you
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described as hearing the words and I just haven't given up that description
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but my other question is if we do do it differently and you do have this voice
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this nation going on in your head and your brain is talking to different parts
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of your brain all day do you think it slows your thinking down its like it
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sounds to me like that would be a slow process 'cause having to go through this
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extra level of abstraction I feel like I am a slower reader than other people
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because it I wouldn't be surprised if
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of reading testifying readings lower than other people because of it and it
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sometimes almost feels like it takes longer to read then maybe it otherwise
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should I don't know if that's if that's really true or not but yeah I would be
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willing to bet that you read faster than me at a comparable level of
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comprehension on comprehension test where we scored the same that you would
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have read something faster than I would have read it is is my guess I get this
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is that this is the case but the only thing you know you just you just
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mentioned in the only thing you're saying are you surprised that that if
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we're actually doing something different it does remind me the only thing I can
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think of it similar to this is in one of the richard fineman books which are
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always excellent everybody should read them they're great he mentions I forget
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the exact details of the story but it is him talking to some other physicists and
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somehow in the course of the conversation they run into the question
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about whether or not someone can count in their head while someone else says
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random numbers out loud
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yeah I remember this year and five min says I go is a key can possibly do with
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any other guys like what you mean you can't do it so easy to do it and over
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and over the course of the conversation what they discover is that when fineman
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counts he is doing it
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auditory early in his head in the same way that I would do it right when I
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counted my head there's a voice in my head going 12345 and that the other guy
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is visualizing numbers when he counts in his head that there's no auditory part
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there can someone saying out loud random numbers doesn't mess him up in the way
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that it messes fineman up so it wouldn't surprise me people are doing things
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different but when you get like an email from May and you're reading it you're
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reading my words in your voices like CGP guys reading brady's email to CGP grey
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you don't hear that my voice
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the answer is for the most part no but I am aware that every once in a while if I
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read something that someone has written that is particularly in their style it
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will switch to that person's voice and this is the reason why would expect the
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people who hear a voice in their head there so universal is there's a stand
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heard ready joke or people who write something like you are now reading this
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and Morgan Freeman's voice right like to be writing a comment on the throw that
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in and it works every time with me it's like oh yes now Morgan Freeman is in my
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head reading this sentence for a little while I get it totally activate this but
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like others some subset of people who just think that's a joke but it's not
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really working on them as I guess what's happening because I always assume that
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everybody did the same thing I did but that's not the way it's not the way it
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the world is a strange and unexpected place still don't believe I still don't
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believe it when I ask you a question and you react to meet you react so quickly
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and will say the next thing so quickly that I can't believe you're having to go
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through all these like levels of 90 that's that's different that's different
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when you're talking when you're talking is not that that's not the same thing so
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any rate he said it's true thinking as well so if I ask you a question like I
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said question not great what do you think about this controversial subject
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you don't have to think what do I think about this controversial subject let me
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see what do you think about it now because because nobody does that
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nobody's medic thinking about it when you ask me a question the voice that you
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hear is the voice in my head using the mouthparts to express sound to you so
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that you can write thats whats how that's what talking is but it is not
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like my thoughts are talking to someone who then like a great now we gotta work
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them out and make this is not an extra level of going on now there's not an
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extra layer filtering going on there really not happening
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well this is interesting stuff I i dont know if I'm looking forward to reading
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the reader comments about it but I'm sure there will be a lot I am I'm
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expecting there will be mind blown in the subreddit
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