00:00:11 ◼ ► So we're going to do some sort of fiftieth episode. Celebration stuff. A bit later. [TS]
00:00:18 ◼ ► Psychics we can talk about fifty and reminisce and talk about the good times and the bad times and she do it.. [TS]
00:00:23 ◼ ► He shows do when the need to cheap out which we have a a clip show that the last X. [TS]
00:00:29 ◼ ► I'm using be of grain daytime if you lost lying in the background. Yeah. We need to think of just the barest. [TS]
00:00:36 ◼ ► The Barry structure to hold together a bunch of clips of things that have happened in the past because the production [TS]
00:00:45 ◼ ► Do you think you could add something together that not only had sort of the case. Highlights and if he laughs. [TS]
00:00:50 ◼ ► And stuff but you could. You could ring at a few tears as well just think you could get some emotion and. [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► Where do you think we're too impersonal that there have been no moments where people would sort of tear up and guy. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► I don't think the two of us are the kind of guys who have tear jerking moments where a motion lot in that respect. [TS]
00:01:07 ◼ ► We are in serious. Unless of course it is a plane crash corner. Every plane crash corner. Then it's deadly serious. [TS]
00:01:21 ◼ ► but I am once again on the road with some dodgy sound set up going here which is a series of ropes and rocks [TS]
00:01:28 ◼ ► but that you know holding everything in place I apologies I'm not using my usual set up now that's because you are at [TS]
00:01:41 ◼ ► Then I said What's its actual name and you never get it right. I should have from ferret really. I couldn't. [TS]
00:01:49 ◼ ► The Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in San Francisco. In Berkeley. Berkeley. [TS]
00:02:02 ◼ ► I've been I've been in New York for awake. And now I'm in Berkeley for the next two weeks. [TS]
00:02:09 ◼ ► Oh I'm very proud of myself on her hand I'm a. I'm impressed. I'm impressed That's right and I'm in a little. [TS]
00:02:15 ◼ ► I mean the little video room here where I can't for a couple of weeks when I'm filming all the mathematicians here. [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► You have been a whirlwind traveler. I have the pains have been some interesting adventures but I think the highlight. [TS]
00:02:26 ◼ ► And the thing that everyone's going to want to know first and foremost. Is that I drank my first cup of coffee. [TS]
00:02:37 ◼ ► Pretty amazing you stirred up the people on the Internet as well because there have been just. [TS]
00:02:43 ◼ ► It's like a Russian revolution where people want to tear down the statue of you being hard as nails [TS]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and rejecting a cup of coffee. It's like you were you know you have failed to live up to that statue. [TS]
00:02:56 ◼ ► I grab a gray if there's something you really really don't like. And then you go through and have it anyway. [TS]
00:03:16 ◼ ► Is that a fair assessment it was a little bit little hard to tell how much you really liked it and how much. [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► You were being polite. Well. What to give paper with a little bit a little bit of background. [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► I was I was at the house of a person called Mark I meant here is a very famous app developer and computer guy. [TS]
00:03:37 ◼ ► But he's perhaps most known for his love of coffee and being a complete coffee snob. So when I said I was. [TS]
00:03:43 ◼ ► I was going to his house he sort of. He knows I don't drink coffee but he checked out make your coffee haha. [TS]
00:03:49 ◼ ► And when I got there he was offering me a drink and said Oh I've joined a cuppa Terry [TS]
00:03:53 ◼ ► and I said I'm not going to come to the home of someone who is famous for Dallas the coffee [TS]
00:03:58 ◼ ► and not know I have a coffee. That would be crazy. Asking he was a bit taken aback. I'm not not. [TS]
00:04:04 ◼ ► I'm going to I'm going to try if I'm ever going to do a one out to you know if I'm going to lose my virginity. [TS]
00:04:09 ◼ ► Not want to lose my coffee virginity to someone who knows that coffee. Seems reasonable. So he brought one up. [TS]
00:04:14 ◼ ► He also recorded there is there is there is a video over there is even Oreo. So people can enjoy can enjoy it. [TS]
00:04:29 ◼ ► Coffee and Marco roasts himself so he braced today at to a certain level that he thinks is is just dry [TS]
00:04:36 ◼ ► and it was made with an arrow press whatever that is I didn't really say what he was doing that was there was some [TS]
00:04:52 ◼ ► or sugar which normally would have been my thing I imagine because I like milky sugary things been a little. [TS]
00:04:57 ◼ ► I want to I'm going to do a major problem if I'm going to be a bear I'm going to be a grizzly and. [TS]
00:05:04 ◼ ► And I partook of the coffee. So the question is are you going to drink coffee. Again. [TS]
00:05:20 ◼ ► In many ways it was what I expected it sort of tasted like it smelled and. It was quite bitter. [TS]
00:05:36 ◼ ► And I don't and mean that in an entirely negative way. Right. Just kind of tasted it. [TS]
00:05:41 ◼ ► I don't know folk of these lot that were just this kind of you know a Kenyan roast that was done by the. [TS]
00:05:46 ◼ ► By the coffee Kerry. You started in at the deep end like that's a pretty intense coffee. [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► And yet without any anything to deluded at all that that's going to taste. Earthy. [TS]
00:05:58 ◼ ► I mean I'm drinking coffee right now. And I still haven't worked my way up to the. [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► I do get a pleasant as from I didn't feel the effect by the caffeine or anything was quite a small cup loss. [TS]
00:06:14 ◼ ► And I think I was being treated gently because it was my first time something. I didn't feel like some crazy drink. [TS]
00:06:25 ◼ ► or Assam booka I thought which I have quite often quite unpleasant. Not quite unpleasant reactions to this. [TS]
00:06:33 ◼ ► I'd certainly would drink a coffee before I did tequila shots. OK that's where it is on the hierarchy of drink. Yeah. [TS]
00:06:41 ◼ ► It comes in above Sam book and tequila but and like she chase. But below most other things. [TS]
00:06:49 ◼ ► There was ZERO say it was oh say I was given a very very nice piece of apple pie by mockers was HIS of women coat if he [TS]
00:06:56 ◼ ► more importantly was wearing a re-union swamp and Tasia. First one out saying in the wild. [TS]
00:07:07 ◼ ► Was that was the first time out when I got a tip off that she was going to be wearing the reunion swamp [TS]
00:07:11 ◼ ► and so I thought I'd be provocative and turn up in a Jamaican rice red shit just to sort of. [TS]
00:07:20 ◼ ► Yes yeah I will still show the pictures Yes You know I was only asking because in that picture. [TS]
00:07:26 ◼ ► And I feel like on your travels you have sent me just a series of pictures were Brady point that things. [TS]
00:07:33 ◼ ► This is what it looks like from my hand when Brady goes traveling it so you've met up with several people [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► and you have sent me pictures of like yours you pointing at this person hears you pointing at this bag of coffee that [TS]
00:07:45 ◼ ► This is what Brady does when he goes on vacation. He points at things and he takes pictures of him pointing at things. [TS]
00:07:51 ◼ ► Well I've got to guard your eye great because you know you're right and you a text [TS]
00:07:56 ◼ ► and I have to explain to you why I think you know I think it's I don't agree if I if I stop pointing at things you know [TS]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and derive from it that thing you want me to drive or media. Here is the Statue of Liberty is the big grain thing that. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► I think we have never had any kind of misunderstanding over a photograph that you have sent me not once not ever. [TS]
00:08:20 ◼ ► That's what I'm going to say I'm sure we have been I don't need your pointing. I tell you I had a fantastic experience. [TS]
00:08:26 ◼ ► Just just before we started recording. Well I had a terrible experience but it turned fantastic. Oh yes. [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► I got a cab from down on the flats of Berkeley. Down near the university. Here to the spiritual home in the clouds. [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► Because the Spirit are Himes actually up in a mountain very appropriately and. I left in the back of the cab. [TS]
00:08:48 ◼ ► Oh so it's of valuable equipment like Go Pros and stuff like that and then I didn't realize I'd left behind. [TS]
00:08:54 ◼ ► I was rather upset and twenty minutes later half an hour later the text Dr obviously found. [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► Drove back up the mountain and returned. There are good people in the world. There are. Or indeed. [TS]
00:09:06 ◼ ► Get people in the world. Of course the hello internet relevant question is did you tip him for his goodness. Well. [TS]
00:09:26 ◼ ► but they didn't tell me in the texture of was in a hurry unless try to Weiss I never got to say. [TS]
00:09:33 ◼ ► And I was so happy I was always he was used to hate Did you get his contact details if I had he's come to you know [TS]
00:09:41 ◼ ► He saved me hundreds and hundreds of dollars out of had to reap all the stuff I would've given him a huge hit. [TS]
00:09:47 ◼ ► But none. But I will get back down to the cabin this afternoon and the run. Millions of cabs in Beckley. [TS]
00:09:57 ◼ ► I would I would love to track him down and reward him. I did give him a decent tip. [TS]
00:10:02 ◼ ► When he dropped me off in the first place I maybe that helped maybe fun the off me in the first place. Right. [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► If you hadn't acted all. All that stuff would be on the black market right now. It was it would need to be on a bank. [TS]
00:10:17 ◼ ► Is because I can never actually remember where the heck Berkeley is in relationship to San Francisco because of the [TS]
00:10:22 ◼ ► same place in my mind and. I want to see where you actually are at the moment. And you weren't kidding that M.S.I. [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► Really is up in the mountains Ron the some of the views of ridiculous the view is I have a hollow San Francisco Bay. [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► Golden Gate Bridge Alcatraz all of San Francisco prop a boat down across the Berkeley campus it's the view is [TS]
00:10:42 ◼ ► ridiculous. The director of M.S.R. Eye has the best of you have any office I've ever been in but none. [TS]
00:10:48 ◼ ► Can you take a picture can we see you at the view I will take a picture from his office and share. [TS]
00:10:55 ◼ ► But I know what the point I would say that I would do that just for you to the problem is that you know a picture never [TS]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and everything looks pretty small because with your eyes you looking at going on a Couldn't of the Golden Gate Bridge. [TS]
00:11:07 ◼ ► And then you take a picture in a slight It looks like five pixels but actually with your US from a thing. [TS]
00:11:15 ◼ ► Everything is way further away than my brain is how long are you. M.S.R. I for I'm here for two weeks. [TS]
00:11:25 ◼ ► This is become an annual pilgrimage for you has an arc I come here a few times a year. [TS]
00:11:38 ◼ ► The adult Philippon all of your footage that you then added later. Yeah. I went to this conference in New York. [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► It was really good I haven't spoken to about it since I went because we were talking about it beforehand. [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► It was put on by this group called the Simons Foundation who are really into education. Outrage. [TS]
00:11:58 ◼ ► And that's the foundation been by this. Jim Simons guy we've talked about before he's the. [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► The mathematician who became really rich by. You know doing. Stock market stuff. Right right. [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► Membrane at story the right way you are misremembering it correctly. OK. So anyway. [TS]
00:12:19 ◼ ► He gives a lot back and one of the things is he runs his foundation and I was asked to go along. [TS]
00:12:25 ◼ ► And it was one of the main things was coming up with ideas about making society more interested in science [TS]
00:12:34 ◼ ► Yeah the impression that I got from what you were talking to me about it was is about increasing. [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► You and I could talk about it for hours because this is obviously topics that you and I really interested in. [TS]
00:12:56 ◼ ► So we'll break it up into these groups and I was kind of brainstorming and coming up with ideas [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► and you ended up in groups depending on your interests and what you want to talk about. [TS]
00:13:13 ◼ ► We had to come up with a bunch of ideas and make them into these little posters little pitches. [TS]
00:13:20 ◼ ► It was actually it was more fun than it sounds it doesn't sound like everyone's cup day. [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► but there were posters like with crayons they had little pro-forma sections in them like what's your idea what's it [TS]
00:13:33 ◼ ► What will it cost you know what are its weaknesses and stuff like that and we sat around coming up with ideas and. [TS]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and we thought gee what the problem here is that kind of a lot of these ideas are not really new. [TS]
00:13:56 ◼ ► And I think we felt like we played a little bit safe. So I sort of said to the other seven right people in the group. [TS]
00:14:04 ◼ ► Just go crazy and come up with the craziest stupidest ideas and see what comes from that. [TS]
00:14:12 ◼ ► So I was trying out all these harebrained radio ideas just all the first things that came into my head [TS]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and a lot of people look at going are you know it's really good you know that's actually quite good [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► This idea is better than I thought and you know if you do this and that and. And I became really enthused about them. [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and I was giving them crazy attention grabbing names and things like that and I was drawing funny pictures on them [TS]
00:14:45 ◼ ► And then all the other groups so put their posters up so there must have been fifty post [TS]
00:14:49 ◼ ► or something up on the walls of this. This big meeting remembering and then what happened next. [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► Which I didn't know it was going to happen with the people running the conference. [TS]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Notes and you had to put grain post not someone's You liked and read post a note someone's You didn't like [TS]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and run little comments. So I went and sat down with a cup of tea and sort of watched what happened next. [TS]
00:15:15 ◼ ► And for the next thirty minutes. I just watched my three or four posters. Just become this mass of red. [TS]
00:15:24 ◼ ► Because I think a lot of the people there were maybe a bit more sort of conservative as well and they were like. [TS]
00:15:28 ◼ ► You know serious papal administrators who look at an idea and straight away it was safe. [TS]
00:15:33 ◼ ► Problems with it but this that this is real life down voting is what's happening and see it was it was. [TS]
00:15:39 ◼ ► It was terrible as a lot that the the facilitators who at the time were saying all this is great radio being so [TS]
00:15:44 ◼ ► creative and prolific and of coming up and putting this consolingly. On my shoulder. As sort of read post. [TS]
00:15:52 ◼ ► After read post at night with all of these comments and criticisms were like stuck up on all my ideas [TS]
00:15:57 ◼ ► and it was kind of what Jim magine there has to be a bit of a dog pile a fact that after a while where. [TS]
00:16:02 ◼ ► If you if you're looking at all of these different proposals and one of them is just covered in red down votes. [TS]
00:16:07 ◼ ► Who's going to be the guy who puts the lone green posted on that what I was going to do that [TS]
00:16:15 ◼ ► I mean I was sort of saying to people I'm taking this bit of a badge of honor because it shows on a chemical soup [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► agents and. You know I'm being disruptive. But if I'm a hundred percent honest I've got. [TS]
00:16:24 ◼ ► If I've got a hundred grain post. I probably would have really liked that as well right. [TS]
00:16:31 ◼ ► I took a picture of the of the of it with all the red just like from my own memory instant. [TS]
00:16:36 ◼ ► And for the show now it's now known for the show and I thought it when he went to say the idea. [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► I don't want to get I don't want to get rid post it notes on read as well. Anyway. It was it was actually. [TS]
00:16:48 ◼ ► It was a really good conference I really enjoyed it like on type of where I went you [TS]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and I were talking thinking oh this could be. Really challenging and difficult and that and. [TS]
00:16:57 ◼ ► and I met someone I met somebody kill Asli smart an accomplished paypal. I was the red post in the room anyway. [TS]
00:17:07 ◼ ► So it sounds like it was all those conferences where they're just getting together a bunch of smart [TS]
00:17:21 ◼ ► There was the best kind of governance as though. And at the end we're everyone got up and did like pitches. [TS]
00:17:25 ◼ ► Which is to the rest of the great to try and make the case for their ideas and that was that was it was good fun. [TS]
00:17:30 ◼ ► I was like getting up and making a few jokes. Well I'm glad you had a good time. Brainstorming but I'm sorry. [TS]
00:17:38 ◼ ► The people running the company could keep everything so maybe who knows maybe in like a year [TS]
00:17:41 ◼ ► or two one of those ideas will end up being a big thing and I'll be like What the heck. A nice. [TS]
00:17:51 ◼ ► Yeah without a doubt without a doubt I would have I would have read posted noted that but the people love their. [TS]
00:17:57 ◼ ► Official unofficial official animals. Of the hello internet pod cast. I have seen many a fun. [TS]
00:18:04 ◼ ► Shirts in various locations around the world doing various things that stuff is always delightful to see and. [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► Just the other day I got my rice rat and Jamaican Swan Pente shirt. So I now have them in my house. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► and I've actually I've actually created like a little fight I gather isa paper wearing them as well so I will put that [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► in the shots and you can go on the court how bunch of Paypal. I'm going to have to stop at some point. [TS]
00:18:29 ◼ ► At the moment every time I see when I'm allowed that to the gallery and then I realize ing at what point. [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► Well I just say OK that's enough pictures. Is this your team Rice right and teams want penned pages though. [TS]
00:18:41 ◼ ► Yeah I think I gave him some not that. Yeah. Yeah. Don't pretend like you don't know you love. [TS]
00:18:49 ◼ ► That's why they are on different pages team Rice has team rice and. It's one of us won't wrap course yeah. Right hand. [TS]
00:19:00 ◼ ► Much. Yeah that's why you have those two different pages you like to you like to rile up the crowd a little bit. [TS]
00:19:10 ◼ ► or mixed up with my dad could never say Beverly Hills nine zero two one zero he used to always say Are you watching [TS]
00:19:16 ◼ ► that Beverly Hills. Know I know it's three eight. You said I'm like such an old man when you do that I have cut. [TS]
00:19:23 ◼ ► Many more of me messing up trying to say the two second time that I couldn't make it into the podcast. [TS]
00:19:29 ◼ ► So for every one time you hear me do this. I have done it at least five times. So in the in the. [TS]
00:19:37 ◼ ► I did at the top of the show notes here in the follow up a possible corporate compensation corner. [TS]
00:19:43 ◼ ► Who are the most exciting of the corners. It is I mean even though I get bored by this corner and and. [TS]
00:19:53 ◼ ► I'll just give an executive summary I don't how do you an executive summary of corporate compensation corner this is [TS]
00:20:02 ◼ ► Yeah I feel like you need a white board in front of you right we can talk without circling back. Tabling discussions. [TS]
00:20:09 ◼ ► Low hanging fruit. Yeah. My corporate compensation corner relates to ebay Mbaye now. I have a bad habit. [TS]
00:20:22 ◼ ► And I always during and all the good places a gone and I end up having to pick something I wish I didn't pick. [TS]
00:20:26 ◼ ► I was really organized this time grass or he got in the story. I just want to remind the listeners. [TS]
00:20:32 ◼ ► Hi there in case their new or just in case they forgot that the last time you were out there. [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► A crazy woman with who had cats living in the apartment that peed all over the place that you were staying in some kind [TS]
00:20:53 ◼ ► and cats all over the place is it was is the impression that I had of your last a her body and B. Experience. [TS]
00:21:02 ◼ ► and actually it was actually remains the nicest place I've ever stated that problem. [TS]
00:21:07 ◼ ► Except But no it was actually a really nice house which any This one of the times. [TS]
00:21:11 ◼ ► I stayed there a second time it was so no ice. It just want a woman in one of the rooms. Yeah. [TS]
00:21:22 ◼ ► when she wasn't supposed to be there anymore with her cat in a cat paid everywhere and it's a Raman Yeah. And yet. [TS]
00:21:27 ◼ ► That's a whole other story. I just can't believe you ever decide you their BE IN be after that. [TS]
00:21:36 ◼ ► I mean since then it's been I carry been again except I always booked a lie and I never get as nice a place. [TS]
00:21:42 ◼ ► As I want to try never get quite the location I want so this time. I got in really early I planned ahead. [TS]
00:21:49 ◼ ► I had soccer have my. My Pick of the best places in Berkeley. I picked one that I thought that really nice. [TS]
00:21:55 ◼ ► And I was really looking forward to staying. What could possibly go wrong. And then two weeks before my trip.. [TS]
00:22:01 ◼ ► I get contacted by the person saying. I'm canceling your stay. Can they do that on Air B.N. B. Yes they can. [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► but is that within the terms of service I guess is what I mean like I'm in touch with some kind of compensation [TS]
00:22:17 ◼ ► and stuff that we might come to an a minute. And also apparently then are allowed to then related to someone else. But. [TS]
00:22:24 ◼ ► But this person who did this to me was perfectly upfront and set up nicely the person who's dying. [TS]
00:22:30 ◼ ► Basically she got an offer she couldn't refuse right and right maybe she was doing a dodgy and doing it outside. A.B.M. [TS]
00:22:36 ◼ ► Bait to get around this. You can't shop paypal thing. So I was really disappointed. [TS]
00:22:41 ◼ ► I kind of understood because if someone offered me like a boatload of money and I just meant shafting one person. [TS]
00:22:46 ◼ ► Maybe you would think. Carry out and I anyway I got done over. And I was really disappointed about a. [TS]
00:22:56 ◼ ► It's not as nice but it's fine and life goes on but it has taught me a few things about Ebay Mbaye. [TS]
00:23:03 ◼ ► People are really passionate about Ebay Mbaye. It's a real has really zealous evangelists. [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► And if you criticise ebay Embury. It's like talking about gun control or religion or something people. [TS]
00:23:23 ◼ ► and not enough days I pay Paypal because one of the people he absolutely went on a rant about I went [TS]
00:23:30 ◼ ► And they seem to spend ninety percent of their time attacking random people who attack ebay. [TS]
00:23:35 ◼ ► That was a really interesting thing for me it was off. I'm yet to encounter a brand that has such zealous. [TS]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Advocates even today before the show up where I live a code to our listeners saying off anyone's got a good [TS]
00:23:51 ◼ ► You know to take people's temperature and a few papers sent me the horror stories. [TS]
00:23:59 ◼ ► Sort of advocacy a mouse full of telling me how great it was so it's a brand that a lot of people are really liking. [TS]
00:24:11 ◼ ► Yeah I think the sharing economy stuff is is divisive. Or polarizing. Yeah people and it seems like you like. [TS]
00:24:20 ◼ ► I think we were time a trooper Last fall into this category of people have thoughts about over there. They love it. [TS]
00:24:32 ◼ ► But who really hate it and it seems like from your experience with Air B.N. B. It is doing the same thing. [TS]
00:24:37 ◼ ► I've never used it for a bunch of reasons. But I can imagine that it would have the same the same reaction. [TS]
00:24:45 ◼ ► And that there might be some people who is like Oh it's awful and I hate it I never use it. [TS]
00:24:49 ◼ ► I mean yes some people just seem to think that the sharing economy is you know the savior of civilization. [TS]
00:24:54 ◼ ► Other people think it's like amateur hour and the end of the end of all you know professionalism [TS]
00:25:02 ◼ ► I don't know where I fit in that but I do think the sharing economy has its problems I think the person and I and. [TS]
00:25:08 ◼ ► It's funny to come from a cause of the two of us you would think on the person who's into more sort of you know. [TS]
00:25:14 ◼ ► Personal relationship someone on one stuff there would be like Air B.N. B. Would be right up your alley. [TS]
00:25:19 ◼ ► Yeah and of and as true of met some nice people as a result of an icon not that kind of like that [TS]
00:25:25 ◼ ► but the sort of personal nature of it does take away the on personal nature of businesses that in some ways lets them [TS]
00:25:33 ◼ ► handle problems better men and kind of their And you know. A big corporation or hotel chain is able to. [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► While sometimes their personal service isn't good in otherwise they're able to do. [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► They have the size to do with a problem like if you've got a bad hotel room in a hotel for some reason. [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► If a cat has weighed on the bed in a hotel. Move you to another room right. There are systems in place. [TS]
00:26:02 ◼ ► But there's a there's a three ring binder somewhere which is filled with the D.N.A. Of the company and what to do. [TS]
00:26:08 ◼ ► When something happens. That's partly why I haven't used. Air B.N. B. Is because I feel like when I travel. [TS]
00:26:24 ◼ ► I'm very happy to go to hotel where I think oh it's not going to be an amazing experience I know it's not going to be [TS]
00:26:31 ◼ ► an amazing experience but I can also count on it not being it unexpectedly terrible experience. [TS]
00:26:40 ◼ ► I will do almost anything to avoid that and so that's why I always feel like I have stayed away from Air B.N. B. [TS]
00:26:50 ◼ ► But if I was ever doing what you're doing which is travelling to a location and you're going to be there for. [TS]
00:27:10 ◼ ► But I would be very nervous until I actually saw the room. Yeah. Explain to me as someone who has never used Air B.N. [TS]
00:27:17 ◼ ► B. What do you perceive as the flaws like is is my perception. Correct or is there something else that's wrong with it. [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► No I think what you say is it's a sort of a lack of consistency of not knowing what you're getting into. [TS]
00:27:28 ◼ ► And there's always there's always personal problems like big. Because it's such a human thing. [TS]
00:27:36 ◼ ► Because people letting at the individual house is such a human thing. There's always there's always a problem. [TS]
00:27:46 ◼ ► You know the place you're staying always has a problem. Sorry Today's the day that. [TS]
00:27:50 ◼ ► You know my mom has to come around and on the curtains and or of this doesn't work. [TS]
00:27:57 ◼ ► And you never quite know what you're getting into a cause quite of no staying in the house of the person who's there [TS]
00:28:05 ◼ ► It's just there's just a lot of this is always Will a stuff to do with and you hear from people who saw [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and had the time a lot Brady had a you say anything bad about at the embassy. Every time I've stayed in Abuja may. [TS]
00:28:24 ◼ ► There's been something considerable that has you know as caused me a problem. But also also if I keep doing it. [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► I keep coming back because the price is good and the advantages I outweighing the negatives. So I am to I am using a B. [TS]
00:28:39 ◼ ► and B. Again. I've used to every time I've come to the equator this must be like seven or eight time of Donna. [TS]
00:28:44 ◼ ► So I'm using it. They go check if I spread. How is the flag. Referendum going. The flag referendum. [TS]
00:28:56 ◼ ► I'm so excited about this new thing that's what I still think it's one of the most exciting things we've done. [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► Putting their postcodes in post boxes from around the world will know I have absolutely loved. [TS]
00:29:09 ◼ ► I love also that everyone's being really secretive about who they voted for like fellow is like obscure who they voted [TS]
00:29:17 ◼ ► I know a lot as well it's like everybody's being really caught a have quite enjoyed of. [TS]
00:29:26 ◼ ► but kick the photos coming the absolute winner of the best photo is the person who sent their postcard from the post [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Yes And you can see them putting in their postcard with the big their postcard with the building in the background that [TS]
00:29:40 ◼ ► was fantastic. Yes and it was shot from an angle to make the mighty black stump look genuinely mighty. [TS]
00:29:51 ◼ ► but it's actually just a regular building I haven't been to the postbox because obviously. I'm not in the U.K. [TS]
00:29:57 ◼ ► But I did a mouthing last night and I said. Have any postcards been coming in and they were like Yeah. [TS]
00:30:06 ◼ ► And now we've just got a cardboard box on the ground that we're using to fill kick drilling it up I think I said over [TS]
00:30:11 ◼ ► five hundred votes of come in sofa. That's pretty good. Yeah. But but keep them coming this is going to be awesome. [TS]
00:30:17 ◼ ► And Gray and I'm going to go through every one of the postcards. I'm going to look at every picture. [TS]
00:30:21 ◼ ► I can't wait to do the count. When we announced the referendum. We intentionally did not mention any deadline. [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► Partly because you were going to be traveling were a bit uncertain like oh you know when [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and to count all of these these votes so we didn't want to say anything that might cut off when [TS]
00:30:43 ◼ ► when someone was going to send the postcard. But the flip side to me is that is the. [TS]
00:30:47 ◼ ► The mental image of this post box somewhere getting just overstuffed with postcards while you are away. [TS]
00:30:54 ◼ ► I find it very entertaining mental image. A lot of people were very upset about the fact we didn't. [TS]
00:31:01 ◼ ► And still haven't at this point. Firmly named a deadline at what point we weren't accept new postcards. [TS]
00:31:08 ◼ ► On offer on a bit strange but I understand at some point we're going to have to say. [TS]
00:31:15 ◼ ► And you know we would put that on the voting web page we would say. Don't send in your votes the vote is closed. [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► But the fact we haven't said that yet people are so upset about it and that makes me a bit suspicious of them. [TS]
00:31:33 ◼ ► when he says gee doesn't that just say the are they want to leave as late as possible and that they may have a slacker. [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► Just. If you want to vote just said you vote as soon as possible and. What do you need a debt. [TS]
00:31:42 ◼ ► If you if you say a deadline. That is just basically saying to Paypal. Be a procrastinator. You're But people. [TS]
00:31:50 ◼ ► People know. People know they need deadlines. To motivate action. There's some portion of the population. [TS]
00:32:04 ◼ ► There's an example of of a study like when you give students the option to set deadlines. [TS]
00:32:13 ◼ ► And you say others five essays that you need to complete in order to pass this class. [TS]
00:32:24 ◼ ► You can set your own deadline that you will fail that essay if you don't. Handed in by. And a huge number of students. [TS]
00:32:35 ◼ ► Opt for the option to set their own deadlines. Spreading it out throughout the year which. [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► Because in theory as I know you would want to give yourself the maximum amount of time to work on these essays. [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► That some people are just not going to do what they're going to leave it all until the last possible moment. [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► I think you are hearing from the people who know that they want a deadline to motivate their own actions that's who [TS]
00:33:11 ◼ ► and that's what we've been seeing on Twitter is all of the all of the postcards going into the post boxes around the [TS]
00:33:19 ◼ ► What's more motivating there is the knowing there is a deadline because of course as a deadline because we have to [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► count the votes some point. What's more motivating the knowing that is a deadline. [TS]
00:33:29 ◼ ► I just I think that's not motivating for some people think because I think that's why you're hearing from them. [TS]
00:33:35 ◼ ► They just give up hope and think are still probably miss a dirty rice I win by the. Yes some people just feel that way. [TS]
00:33:46 ◼ ► We have no answer for those people right now we still haven't. For complete decided. Nicely what we're going to do. [TS]
00:33:52 ◼ ► But if you are hearing the sound of our voices and. You're the kind of person who needs a deadline. [TS]
00:33:58 ◼ ► Let's just pretend that the deadline is the day after you hear this. This pod cast. Yeah it's not really the deadline. [TS]
00:34:07 ◼ ► That's what you need to to get your butt in gear and send in your post card for the hello internet flag referendum. [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► Yeah. And you can't vote for this without going to the page because that's where the addresses. [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► That voting is closed so you're not you're going to send not know the voting was closed yet when you. [TS]
00:34:26 ◼ ► When you take the address. You will say. Voting is closed. Yes. So that is hello internet dot F.M. Slash flag vote. [TS]
00:34:33 ◼ ► Others say my other favorite thing about this referendum so far is. I've seen a number of comments. [TS]
00:34:38 ◼ ► All of which are along the same lines of people saying how they have spent more time agonizing over this election than [TS]
00:34:47 ◼ ► they have spent agonizing over the actual elections in the various countries where they live like we happen to do this [TS]
00:34:57 ◼ ► and I've seen from a bunch of Canadians saying that there's been way more time thinking about the flag that they did [TS]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Few other places around the world that had elections I've seen the similar things where people are like Man I'm just [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► agonizing over these flags but I kept a political vote without even thinking about it. [TS]
00:35:14 ◼ ► And also I don't want to talk about the specifics because if we talk about it. It will conflate the problem. [TS]
00:35:19 ◼ ► But I do like the brain that little controversies breaking as where were people who say. [TS]
00:35:26 ◼ ► You know this is insensitive or there are issues to do with this like like just like the New Zealand one. [TS]
00:35:31 ◼ ► There's all these little pockets of controversy and things. So people are you know. [TS]
00:35:36 ◼ ► You know shows even having like that election the silliest thing in the way you know a podcast flag you still have all [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► and controversial Exactly it's a microcosm of the bigger thing is precisely what it is. [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► When talking about people who are indecisive over the flags and thinking thinking about it long and hard. [TS]
00:35:59 ◼ ► I actually find myself in this category. Because when we recorded that episode. In my mind. [TS]
00:36:14 ◼ ► But the instant the episode went live I found myself just filled with doubt and one certainty. [TS]
00:36:20 ◼ ► And even now I keep thinking about my own vote how my going to vote I have thought about this so many times. [TS]
00:36:25 ◼ ► I don't have a I don't have an idea in my own mind of how we're going to vote I might miss our own deadline. [TS]
00:36:31 ◼ ► May not I thought. I honestly don't know what to fight for unless I'm really conflicted about it. Yeah. [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► And so it's like the instant it went up all of my certainty was was cast to the wind. Just good. [TS]
00:36:51 ◼ ► Why do you care the euro is the guy who's like a one vote cut my Could difference anyway. So I care because it's fun. [TS]
00:37:00 ◼ ► And I feel like I should probably vote in my own election. Or maybe I should abstain. [TS]
00:37:06 ◼ ► Maybe it's like the queen right she's not allowed to vote in the elections maybe I shouldn't vote in this election [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► You consider yourself more like the queen than the president of hello internet. Yes. I think I am C.D.P. [TS]
00:37:21 ◼ ► Gray the queen of hello internet. Yeah. There we go. I'll take lean and find. What are you. [TS]
00:37:27 ◼ ► What are you Brady or what do you think of yourself as court jester. You're the court jester. Now works. [TS]
00:37:46 ◼ ► I'm thinking more like in a deck of cards the jack. But I don't ever really know what the jack is. [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► Yeah but he looks had doesn't and he's got sort of the stuff he does. I'll take that I'll be the jack. [TS]
00:37:56 ◼ ► What does the Jack do. If you're the Quene. If you are the queen of hello internet. [TS]
00:38:02 ◼ ► And you're in a deck of cards what would you pay if you're a suit. What would you pay. Just in general what Sochi. [TS]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Do you feel like best represents your. Spade. Yeah out of sets bad for you. I'm not pretty enough to be the. [TS]
00:38:20 ◼ ► The Queen of Hearts. You seem like a club kind of guy I know all the time on. I think diamonds. I'd like to be. [TS]
00:38:29 ◼ ► I wish you'd said diamonds. I'm sorry I didn't say diamonds but it never logs I've never liked the clubs. [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► Although I do that the idea of being a black once I can wish maybe it. Like a black diamond. Black Diamond. [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► You know you're a let's be honest if I was going to be any cat I'd like to be the draw for from you know. [TS]
00:39:01 ◼ ► The draw for cotton a nice like I still get excited when I say one because if you get one it's a really powerful to. [TS]
00:39:11 ◼ ► We should play to know sometimes I have no idea I don't like I don't play games but I know you are you are just. [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► Here's the thing. OK. Listeners if you've the background you need to know about this. [TS]
00:39:21 ◼ ► There have been several incidences at conference where Brady inferi could play a board game. [TS]
00:39:31 ◼ ► And your reasoning if I can try to say it for you is that you get to intense. About the rules of the board game. [TS]
00:39:41 ◼ ► Winning but also that there are people who are sometimes wanting to play fast and loose with the with the rules [TS]
00:39:48 ◼ ► or they're trying to optimize for like oh it's everybody have a good time and that's have fun and. [TS]
00:39:52 ◼ ► You know that when you play you can't deal with that is that is a correct assessment. Yes. OK So here's the thing. [TS]
00:39:59 ◼ ► This is precisely why I would want to play a game with you because I can never stand it [TS]
00:40:05 ◼ ► when people are like oh you know whatever is out the rule most the time we like know. We have to follow the rules. [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► This game makes no sense unless we're following rules like that that is the whole thing that it is if there are no [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► rules. What are we even doing. We're just having a magine every play time together. You can't can't just do this stuff. [TS]
00:40:27 ◼ ► But it's a lose lose great because say you and I were to sit down and play a game together. [TS]
00:40:32 ◼ ► There are only two things that are going to happen on. I'm going to win. And then I'm going to feel a lot. Well. [TS]
00:40:39 ◼ ► What's the point of that was supposed to have fun all of down there is bait my might and might my my Loza [TS]
00:40:47 ◼ ► And I'm going to hit that even more because I was sitting in space to be having fun and I've just become a loser. [TS]
00:41:09 ◼ ► Who they're trying to optimize for fun first and bend the rules to their fun. As I know. Following the rules is fun. [TS]
00:41:17 ◼ ► I love that you just like following rules just that I did a I made a film with a friend of mine who actually lives in [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► And I was talking to him about when he was a child what he was in toto I think he'd be a computer program. [TS]
00:41:36 ◼ ► Like the instruction book or the god like pretend games that he would like to make and he couldn't make the game [TS]
00:41:41 ◼ ► and you know the game with the like but he would just like making like the row book and instructions for the game. [TS]
00:41:46 ◼ ► This because he loved. Game rules so much. I imagine you would like that just making up. Instruction books. Rule books. [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► Yeah. I didn't. I never did that. That kind of thing. But when I was much younger I played. [TS]
00:42:04 ◼ ► Not Dungeons and Dragons but there was a game called heroes Quest. Which is basically like a baby's first. [TS]
00:42:11 ◼ ► Dungeons and Dragons. And in that game I always took the role of the Dungeon Master. [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► Which means that it was my responsibility to design the board and the level through which the other players would move. [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► And I always found it very appealing so I think that in the same universe of on the playing the game. [TS]
00:42:33 ◼ ► All of the spaces through which the other players are going to move unlike what traps are going to be where [TS]
00:42:38 ◼ ► and what creatures are going to be where. And having to do it in in such a way so that it is it is fair. [TS]
00:42:44 ◼ ► but they feel like it was a challenge that I think that that isn't the same universe of this. [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► when die how could talk for a long time about games eyes to play as a kid that in the fight that I think we're really [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► picky. But. But we haven't follow up sorry but a crack on the he has a self. This does all up. [TS]
00:43:00 ◼ ► I still say Brady you and I split in games. Yeah. Sort something out. Just a really quick update out. [TS]
00:43:08 ◼ ► The heart stopper. Where nice. Ssion raising money for the children's Ben's trust has ended. It's S. [TS]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Out for very impressed. A somewhat impressive. Nine hundred twenty pounds. For Africa chair of a reunion Swan So. [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► One very generous by will be receiving that signed by us and and. We have very grateful. They have raised. [TS]
00:43:39 ◼ ► Heart stopper awareness and they've also raised a boat load of money for a really good cause. [TS]
00:43:46 ◼ ► I also credit page where people could just make donations to the children's been stressed in the name of heart stopper [TS]
00:43:52 ◼ ► awareness if they chose to and some people have been doing that as well and both Grant I really appreciate that [TS]
00:43:59 ◼ ► And also what I want to do now is I want to talk to maybe we'll talk to the the the bank of hello internet [TS]
00:44:09 ◼ ► I need a giant check there because obviously I was going to electronically transfer this money to the children's [TS]
00:44:15 ◼ ► We need a giant check for public city for say we could really increase the pressure on on Starbucks. [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► We need we need hard copy photos of of these giant checks and on hundred twenty pounds [TS]
00:44:27 ◼ ► and heart stopper awareness written on it so if anyone knows where we can get one of those giant checks they use for [TS]
00:44:33 ◼ ► charity auctions and stuff. Let me know I'm in the market for him we are making you know now giant shack. From. [TS]
00:44:48 ◼ ► but I always assumed that they were real that those things are legitimate There's no yeah I mean the whole. [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► If you ever look into how checks work with all these crazy rules around what is Little do then let's just let Jack. [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► That's that's talk to a bank yeah bank that's why I'm making a making note of it I want to see if we can get a gigantic [TS]
00:45:08 ◼ ► Then we'll see if that to see if we can handed over to someone outside of style exercise like I'm going to [TS]
00:45:13 ◼ ► or I can already hear my bank manager getting your IT hit by this request. One last bit of a follow up. Yeah. C.D.P. [TS]
00:45:20 ◼ ► Gray the penguin. Oh yes. We have never actually known the gender of C G P Gray the penguin. [TS]
00:45:37 ◼ ► or sorry that they do the tests to find out if it is a boy penguin or a gale penguin. The penguin sexing. Yes. [TS]
00:45:45 ◼ ► I now know the gender of say Gee big red penguin. Oh yeah you know all this in suspense here Brady. [TS]
00:45:56 ◼ ► I feel like we win either way though I got another a knot on a I'm not on a particular team here. [TS]
00:46:04 ◼ ► But we we were referring to you is the queen of hello internet a moment ago. And I'm here to announce that C.D.P. Grey. [TS]
00:46:12 ◼ ► It's a go. Well are are that night they we go I said that that famous penguin. Bearing your name is a lady penguin. [TS]
00:46:24 ◼ ► I hope you like the name seed if you VERY heavy feel about the show if you know your place for that. [TS]
00:46:32 ◼ ► Yeah yeah of course I am and also if it's a girl it's just funny or this way. The girls I'm going to name the G.P. [TS]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Great. So I think it out I think is totally oh in there again it's a go. Yeah. So people can go visit her in the zoo. [TS]
00:46:47 ◼ ► Do that more advice to follow as and when they come in sometimes. The snooze. There are going to dance is you. [TS]
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00:47:27 ◼ ► Little did I know that the person who was going to have a catastrophic. Computer disaster. Was me. That's right. [TS]
00:47:38 ◼ ► Between the last back please add. And this one. I had my main computer the computer that I record. [TS]
00:47:50 ◼ ► To an unusable brick in the space of about fifteen minutes. Now if you make your living on the Internet. [TS]
00:47:58 ◼ ► Or just on a computer in general. Having your computer break. Is an extraordinarily stressful experience. [TS]
00:48:06 ◼ ► But almost always. It's the data on your computer. That matters. Way more than the physical device itself. [TS]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Maybe you're working on a video for you to maybe you're working on a podcast for something. [TS]
00:48:20 ◼ ► Maybe you just have photos of your baby. That you can't ever replace. If they're lost his is why I run backups. [TS]
00:48:28 ◼ ► Is precisely for this moment. And if you don't have a backup system running on your computer. As far as I'm concerned. [TS]
00:48:38 ◼ ► You're not running a functioning computer. This is just something that you have to have. [TS]
00:48:45 ◼ ► Because you never know when disaster is going to strike. And back blaze is the service. [TS]
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00:49:02 ◼ ► With back please. So that when my main computer goes up in a sad little puff of smoke. [TS]
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00:50:43 ◼ ► Get back leaves and protect your data. Today. Now. I don't know if you saw this Liberia stuff dry. [TS]
00:50:51 ◼ ► But a pop up want to podcasts ago I sprung a flag on you that you will asked to look at and kind of review on the spot. [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► We've been contacted by someone who asked you to cast an eye not over the flag of Liberia. [TS]
00:51:08 ◼ ► Which is a perfectly serviceable flag. But the Liberia County flags. Now. Have you saying that the Liberia. [TS]
00:51:17 ◼ ► County flags yet. From the button. No I have. I mean to I'm. I was typing into Google right now. [TS]
00:51:22 ◼ ► But no I have not seen them so I have been pressing here and if you are like I say if you go to Flag of Liberia [TS]
00:51:31 ◼ ► At the at the top you say the Liberian flag looks a lot like the American flag except A has one star instead of fifty. [TS]
00:51:37 ◼ ► Right. But if you scroll down you will see the county flags of Liberia. Now I thought this was a joke. [TS]
00:51:51 ◼ ► Just to have a look at the Liberia is apparently subdivided into fifteen counties. [TS]
00:51:57 ◼ ► Each of which has a sign fleg these oversea like states. You know things like that. H. [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► County flag Bez the national flag of Liberia in the Canton seven the top corner he see like a miniature version of [TS]
00:52:09 ◼ ► their flag. And then obviously they're free to do what they want with the rest. These are awful things are. [TS]
00:52:17 ◼ ► It is extraordinary what these people have done. I would like to say they have used clipper. [TS]
00:52:27 ◼ ► That's the best waited to describe this are all of the flag have the already very busy Liberia flag up in the corner. [TS]
00:52:34 ◼ ► Up in the corner very small I might add. So we're looking it looks it looks odd. The proportions of it. [TS]
00:52:42 ◼ ► If you think if you think of for example the current New Zealand flag. That has the Union Jack in the upper corner. [TS]
00:52:52 ◼ ► It just it almost looks like a stamp on on the wrong side of a post like that it looks like a little potent menu [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► or something sitting up there in the corner. Yeah. Yeah. So they all have it in the corner. [TS]
00:53:08 ◼ ► Doesn't put it in the corner like everybody else. They have a little bit away from the corner. So it's always great. [TS]
00:53:21 ◼ ► They're just it's so i'm sorry i'm struggling to describe this for someone who's just listening in audio form. [TS]
00:53:34 ◼ ► Yeah you know even if it and not even one he's very good at it like an unusually unusually. [TS]
00:53:47 ◼ ► I think that that's that is exactly right it is every one of these things is childish. [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► In a way that is quite surprised I mean. OK So let me let me try to me. I'm going to play on this about here Greg. [TS]
00:54:01 ◼ ► Yeah I'm going to put you on the spot. I'm going to lay down the challenge here now for you to name. [TS]
00:54:07 ◼ ► Which when you think is the worst. And beautifully there actually is a county code Maryland county in Liberia. [TS]
00:54:16 ◼ ► And their flag is is a candidate for worst in the worst in the bunch. So. But don't let that pass you. Others but. [TS]
00:54:25 ◼ ► OK let me just try to scribe something for the listeners here and I'll take the Maryland county flag as an example. OK. [TS]
00:54:30 ◼ ► So one thing I will paint a beautiful audio picture for your listeners. Of this disaster in front of me. [TS]
00:54:38 ◼ ► Let's hear your flag in the upper left hand. Tiny corner. Yeah. The flag is is divided. [TS]
00:54:44 ◼ ► It's like a tri color in horizontally right so there's three horizontal stripes. The top on the bottom one or yellow. [TS]
00:55:09 ◼ ► One of them is touching the top in a way that wouldn't possibly work. The very tip of the lighthouse. [TS]
00:55:20 ◼ ► One dollar bill like it floats on the top of the pyramid it kind of looks like that [TS]
00:55:23 ◼ ► and then presumably they've drawn lines coming out from the lighthouse I presume are supposed to be the light itself. [TS]
00:55:34 ◼ ► But they're all honey even some of them are joined at the base. Something the heart and. [TS]
00:55:40 ◼ ► And so this lighthouse is all white. It's on a green hill. Thank you. Yes. Maybe but the green is very bright is it. [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► when you select the default colour green in a painting to us like this green is just a green that doesn't look good on [TS]
00:56:04 ◼ ► Next to this lighthouse and twenty five percent larger than it is the tree like a like a sort of a palm tree esque [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► but not quiet times. OK so a magine a child has drawn a tree. And they've made it look saggy. [TS]
00:56:22 ◼ ► So it has Leave that are coming down. The thing that amazes me is the drawing is just flat colors. [TS]
00:56:38 ◼ ► I guess they're trying to make the leave look around. But nothing else on the drawing is shaded. [TS]
00:56:44 ◼ ► And then in the background is a just flat blue sky. There which again is a horrible color blue. [TS]
00:56:56 ◼ ► This is just a one third of the flag size strip in the middle. Above and below is bright bright yellow. [TS]
00:57:04 ◼ ► And there's also another flag on the top. It's hopeful. You're picking such minutiae to criticize as well. [TS]
00:57:10 ◼ ► I mean you think it's because like you can't take in the whole thing at once like is just too much I'm trying to think [TS]
00:57:18 ◼ ► It's like the president of Liberia asked his like ten year old kid to design some flags and put them up on the fridge. [TS]
00:57:23 ◼ ► And then someone said. Actually what do we make them the actual flags. Yeah. I mean these are these are just. [TS]
00:57:31 ◼ ► and the can tone in the left corner like doesn't quite fill up the whole yellow section. [TS]
00:57:35 ◼ ► That looks like it should but yeah quite Yeah. It doesn't. I mean this just jumping over. Is another. [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► There's another one with trees on it which is River geeky County flag that. That is my. [TS]
00:57:51 ◼ ► But this has what is literally the exact tree that every kindergartner in the world draws where you have a trunk. [TS]
00:57:59 ◼ ► And then there is there is a green. Cloud shape. On the top of the trunk. And there's the three of these trees. [TS]
00:58:05 ◼ ► I hear you have to look at this flag you have to look at the flag of river G. or Rigby County in Liberia. [TS]
00:58:16 ◼ ► If you don't have the Internet you have to walk into the nearest shop or whatever your knee M.C.I. Place. [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Police can I use your internet. And look at the flag of riff icky. County in Iberia. Right now. Yeah. [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► Or one of the things that I like here is the tree on the top. They didn't even draw it entirely on the ground. [TS]
00:58:41 ◼ ► So the way it works is there's a tiny bit of sky poking below which should be the roots of the tree. [TS]
00:58:47 ◼ ► Because they just didn't drop low enough to the ground. Again like when a kindergartener draw a stick figure people.. [TS]
00:58:52 ◼ ► And they're just floating above the actual ground they're not X. The not touching the ground. [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► I mean this is a joke great it is like someone taking the Mickey has someone hacked his son because flag of libraries [TS]
00:59:05 ◼ ► No one would look like a compass and that the green of the leaves of the tree is exact same grain as what the hill [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► And then there's a river flowing which is like a hand drawn River which is flowing like from the trunk of one of the [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► but not bad like Maryland where you know it hits the Marilyn point like oh this is amazing. [TS]
00:59:35 ◼ ► This is just crap like he's just absolute crap there's no way. There's no other way to describe it. But. [TS]
00:59:46 ◼ ► That this is just a joke and that yes someone did this because the flag of Liberia wiki page. [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► Probably doesn't have a whole lot of people really on top of it to make sure that nothing like this gets lived in then [TS]
00:59:58 ◼ ► going to China for a secondary So this is what I was just opening up my own web browser like an OK you know like [TS]
01:00:08 ◼ ► This is the best ride of ever been on very nicely I'm saying some of them in other sources but they kind of also like. [TS]
01:00:22 ◼ ► You can see them flying it like this some palace and I'm now saying photo of them of lying. I think this is rare. [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and looking through some pictures here looks like other people have cottoned on to the joy of these in the past as well. [TS]
01:00:41 ◼ ► We're going to throw out there is the worst I think the worst comes down to three there are three candidates for worst [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► It all are in fact I show us river GA river GA I think has to has to perhaps get it. But. But Bony County. [TS]
01:01:06 ◼ ► County which is the bomb with the diamond in the flesh and a tray which is just bad. [TS]
01:01:21 ◼ ► I can honestly say I am just overwhelmed looking at these I find this impossible to select among. [TS]
01:01:28 ◼ ► It's almost like someone serving up. Several plates. Each with a turd on them and they want and. [TS]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Oh oh what I've small like I'm saying which one of the unwilling to a turd is so bad to that you weren't ate it [TS]
01:01:49 ◼ ► The only one of looking at here is is Sino County which is on the bottom is a flag that under normal circumstances I [TS]
01:01:56 ◼ ► would probably make fun of. But it seems like it is a glorious bastion of good design. [TS]
01:02:06 ◼ ► Another flag that I would totally make fun of under any other circumstances. Media which just looks amazing. [TS]
01:02:12 ◼ ► There just a guy that the guy that is our insider counties let the Jony Ive of Liberia. [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► For the listener it's just the Liberia flag in the corner and then it's. It's just a green cross. Across the flag. [TS]
01:02:26 ◼ ► And the grand past the county. One is a blue background and then there's a couple of red and white stripes on it. Well. [TS]
01:02:32 ◼ ► It's awful but it looks amazing in comparison. They sack right site there of trick. Yeah. [TS]
01:02:42 ◼ ► If you're listening in Liberia and want to share more information with us maybe maybe make the case for them. I mean. [TS]
01:02:50 ◼ ► I mean maybe in sort of Liberian culture the some the something about Liberian visual culture. [TS]
01:02:56 ◼ ► That makes these a real trait. And these have gone through years of iterations and that they are the pinnacle of. [TS]
01:03:02 ◼ ► I mean that is just an ass of the Brady That is just not possible if you look at look at the law for the county one. [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► The one that had to decide. This embodied arm holding was holding like a rod of some golden thing. [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► Across the river right. It's holding a cylinder. But here's the things that someone has done a three D. [TS]
01:03:19 ◼ ► Gradient effect on the cylinder. Gradient. Always excellent on flags by the way I see who they just look amazing. [TS]
01:03:24 ◼ ► But the gradient has spilled over onto the fingers. That are holding on to the cylinder. [TS]
01:03:30 ◼ ► There's no way that this is a refinement of anything. This is just astounding. This is astounding. [TS]
01:03:35 ◼ ► This is like the opposite universe version of the Japanese prefecture flags that's what this is they really good at I [TS]
01:03:45 ◼ ► You will have seen the very good this is yeah this is that this is the reverse of that. [TS]
01:03:48 ◼ ► Probably not the best way to calm down but let's do a better listener corner. Yeah what's in listener corner. [TS]
01:03:56 ◼ ► and because I'm on the road it's been a bit hard to get organized so I will revisit revisit your emails again soon. [TS]
01:04:04 ◼ ► But I thought I'd share just a couple that have caught my eye some recently some less recent. [TS]
01:04:15 ◼ ► Hello Internet was an invaluable companion to me on my recent months alone Trek street the desert of Kenya for which I [TS]
01:04:23 ◼ ► Although I had other pod casts only listening to hello internet could make the six hour walk through the scorching hate [TS]
01:04:36 ◼ ► Trysting in very conversations in English as most of my traveling companions were more comfortable speaking their [TS]
01:04:41 ◼ ► native language of Swahili. I believe Dana who is a university student from Canada. Was in was in Kenya. [TS]
01:04:50 ◼ ► With a small organization or helping them understand. Family Planning and birth control. [TS]
01:05:09 ◼ ► And I think the security or some setting to say say yes and. Yeah it's a really great photo if she's at the. [TS]
01:05:17 ◼ ► And the big camels looming right behind us listening to hello internet it's really good photo I really like this. [TS]
01:05:22 ◼ ► She says that that's a picture of her on the last day of a trip listening to hello internet. [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► She says Brady given your adventurous inclinations I really think it enjoys a similar experience. Gray. I'm not sure. [TS]
01:05:33 ◼ ► You need to be told this. But I would not recommend that you travel through the doors of Kenya. [TS]
01:05:38 ◼ ► There are no nice hotels there. The man that was are my lists. But if a listen. Is that it's not a good idea. [TS]
01:05:56 ◼ ► and I had a really good experience there I was not walking through a desert for six hours so that I could go to [TS]
01:06:05 ◼ ► I think Dana will probably be going to heaven and I would not. But I have been to. I have been to Kenya. [TS]
01:06:11 ◼ ► But I would I did not do in a particularly adventurous or heart is now why. Which Dana definitely did. Dana. [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► You are today as hard as nails person. Here's another picture from a viewer. This comes from Jesse. [TS]
01:06:22 ◼ ► I am a listener hello internet pod cast that you do with C G P grade which is handed to you don't think you just think [TS]
01:06:30 ◼ ► I do know how they are in today's But I like a light that you explained. And recently talked about code. [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► Jesse says I'm a college football player at Bloomsburg University in the United States. [TS]
01:06:50 ◼ ► Recently I was injured in one of our games and when I went down I thought to myself I need to be hard as nails here. [TS]
01:06:56 ◼ ► So Breda you managed to get me up. And after a nasty injury and recompose myself. Now be able to listen to more. [TS]
01:07:02 ◼ ► While I get treated for the injury. And and he and Jesse said a picture of him in the locker room in his kit. [TS]
01:07:11 ◼ ► He does the card is nice. Yeah he's looking very serious in the photograph. And he's holding. [TS]
01:07:16 ◼ ► He's holding his fine playing how Internet as an awesome fighter jets see you also a heart is now as we have a little [TS]
01:07:25 ◼ ► but you are the inspiration for some of this hardness BRADY Yeah I have I can now I can now sort of soften up a bit knowing [TS]
01:07:37 ◼ ► As an ambassador if they really knew how and how I was that overeat they'd be a lot of disillusioned people. [TS]
01:07:45 ◼ ► I'm going to send you a third picture that has been said to us by hello internet listener [TS]
01:07:51 ◼ ► But I think you may know the person who sent this has said that they have sent it from a historical podcast landmark. [TS]
01:08:07 ◼ ► Well historical hello internet let me know historical hello internet landmark. Yeah.. [TS]
01:08:11 ◼ ► It was fifty episodes love now we can have historical M.X. No I guess we can. I guess we can. [TS]
01:08:21 ◼ ► I know where they are there on one of the ads that Dulles Airport that's where this photograph was taken for I say. [TS]
01:08:31 ◼ ► Space anywhere in the world where lots of people are packed in lots of poles to lean against. [TS]
01:08:36 ◼ ► While the giant tank of the construction shuttles you around the airport. Anthony says. [TS]
01:08:47 ◼ ► when I went to the dreaded Dulles Airport for the first time I was listening to the podcast [TS]
01:08:54 ◼ ► It was such an honor to say this historical part because that much money has held up his phone. [TS]
01:09:02 ◼ ► Showing the podcast applying amongst all the crowd of people in the at that I can recognize that from even just a tiny [TS]
01:09:19 ◼ ► I haven't got Sky was made but we were going to record this episode the other day. [TS]
01:09:27 ◼ ► And I had weighed myself that day which was four or five days before funny remember when it lost. [TS]
01:09:37 ◼ ► Yeah as opposed to the whites now because I think my wife might have gotten up some loose ends because I've been [TS]
01:09:42 ◼ ► indulging in New York. So there's my weekly weigh in definitely is a bit of a historical one. For practical reasons. [TS]
01:09:53 ◼ ► and we have the weight measurement just before you left. And then all of the just for practical reasons of. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Maybe we'll just do the next weigh in when you come back from America and see see what the damage done is dilute. [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► when we were so sad last Saturday was it will move is going to record which was what it was that was that would have [TS]
01:10:15 ◼ ► been there twenty fourth of October. And our previous measurement was on the tenth of October. Before I can. [TS]
01:10:29 ◼ ► Oh yeah and in that period I went down by one point two kilograms. Hey Very good very good breeding. Thank you and you. [TS]
01:10:40 ◼ ► I'm pretty comparable to you. I went down one point six kilograms. Sob lightly ahead. Sorry. [TS]
01:10:48 ◼ ► Is very close and of course in real measurements. That is minus three point five pounds. [TS]
01:11:00 ◼ ► Yeah I have to say I have to say we're both doing well I think. There's been a good streak for us. [TS]
01:11:10 ◼ ► I've crossed the boundary of of like being under two hundred ten pounds I'm actually just now kind of hovering around [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► But there was something that happened which finally made some of the weight loss feel really real. [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► and I realized I put my watch is just so loose like I do not like having a loose watch it all I always like having the [TS]
01:11:37 ◼ ► watch rather tight and I realize that I had actually lost. Anough weight that I needed to take a link. [TS]
01:11:43 ◼ ► Out of my apple watch and how that was just one of those moments with my poise feels really. [TS]
01:11:50 ◼ ► This feels really real like I know that the composition of my body is actually changing [TS]
01:11:54 ◼ ► and I'm actually feeling pretty good. But that that is definitely much more real when. [TS]
01:12:01 ◼ ► When something like that happens. That's nice man has some nice Mastan Wotan Yeah and you won and. [TS]
01:12:08 ◼ ► So I'm happy to move on to the next topic now. He shouldn't talk about shirts we thought Sure. Go in that. [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► Baking it was just I'm just being a bad loser. So I believe it. You know being about the that we both win. [TS]
01:12:21 ◼ ► And besides if anyone actually know. Because these points. Show someone's got some spreadsheet going somewhere. [TS]
01:12:28 ◼ ► Yeah you know what I like I have no idea what the points are that somebody some nerd out there has to be keeping track [TS]
01:12:32 ◼ ► of the spreadsheet so he didn't read it whoever whoever is actually been following from the beginning how are doing [TS]
01:12:37 ◼ ► with his base there's been that many exceptions have yet some things that I don't think there actually is like a score [TS]
01:12:43 ◼ ► shape I think it's just basically at some. It's more just like one off moments of glory rather than a long term. [TS]
01:12:49 ◼ ► Right you know. But the latter is I'm sure someone out there is keeping track of things. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► Hello Internet fiddle thon fit marathon thing that we're doing here this weight loss I thought. Come on. [TS]
01:13:12 ◼ ► That's terrible. OK which is why it's my job to invent words. No I says I'm amazing at inventing words. OK. [TS]
01:13:25 ◼ ► Light last because I'm trying to I'm trying to come up with something has got podcasting and in NY. [TS]
01:13:30 ◼ ► If the hello internet. Fit a Tron five thousand that's what we're doing to try to fit a Tron five thousand. That. [TS]
01:13:36 ◼ ► There we go right. And I don't think this machine that is the hello internet fit a Tron five thousand. [TS]
01:13:47 ◼ ► Like there's a guy I know who was who I saw talking to the great health bot saying that he's in a race to try to beat [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► And I just I've been hearing from a bunch of people who have taken this on board as a time to try to get more healthy. [TS]
01:14:01 ◼ ► In their lives in one way or another whether it's losing weight or exercising more. And so I thought. [TS]
01:14:08 ◼ ► Let's let's make this official. In some way. It's the official Lefkow of hell or internet. [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► Yes well I like the idea of trying to do something official about it even though now I'm just realizing that it is yet [TS]
01:14:31 ◼ ► We've decided that we are putting up a hello internet. Exercise shirt. Yeah. This is this is team. Hello Internet. [TS]
01:14:40 ◼ ► Fit a Tron five thousand is it too late for you to push for it to try to five thousand. [TS]
01:14:46 ◼ ► or any of the Late Show with that look that way because you would wear that it's not like embarrassing because it's [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► Yeah you think you should put fit a trance five thousand and three that oh yeah yeah. [TS]
01:15:06 ◼ ► when you're out on your run no sweat in the gym. You can just look down and think fit a Tron five thousand. [TS]
01:15:13 ◼ ► Yes said you're not doing this alone. That there are other people out there in the world. Listening to the pond can. [TS]
01:15:20 ◼ ► Who are also taking this. This moment into their hands and deciding. Yes. I'm getting on board and. [TS]
01:15:28 ◼ ► I am going to increase my health. Whatever that may mean in your personal circumstances. If you want to lose weight. [TS]
01:15:34 ◼ ► If you want to work out more. Whatever it is that you're trying to do. There is a hello internet. [TS]
01:15:41 ◼ ► Fit a Tron five thousand. Team. Shirt for exercising in and podcast go along with exercising. [TS]
01:15:48 ◼ ► So maybe you will be wearing the hello internet exercise shirt. While listening to hello internet podcast. [TS]
01:15:56 ◼ ► or some fifty episodes ago there's no way you would have just made up something for to turn five thousand [TS]
01:16:06 ◼ ► If anything has changed about you were during the part gust. It is that you brought out my wild side Brady and. [TS]
01:16:15 ◼ ► OBGYN when I want to put it on five thousand shit. I hope people do decide to take this moment on board. [TS]
01:16:20 ◼ ► I mean maybe just because I'm feeling like I really have crossed a bit of a like a milestone really can feel different [TS]
01:16:28 ◼ ► like I know it when I when I first started talking about losing the weight. You know. [TS]
01:16:36 ◼ ► But from the time that we started getting really serious about this. I'm down ten pounds in total. [TS]
01:16:45 ◼ ► and I'm really glad that I have done this. And as I expected my energy levels have largely even doubt. [TS]
01:16:50 ◼ ► Since the beginning. So I'm feeling really positive I feel like I am on the other side of this. [TS]
01:16:55 ◼ ► Like I went through it like a difficult time and I've lost some weight and I'm feeling really good and. [TS]
01:17:00 ◼ ► If I can lose like six more pounds that will be absolutely amazing if I can get under two hundred like that I'll be [TS]
01:17:06 ◼ ► just unbelievable. But some feeling really positive about this and I genuinely hope that other people listening. [TS]
01:17:26 ◼ ► Right is postponing this kind of stuff. That is not the free to try to five thousand the way. [TS]
01:17:35 ◼ ► In some ways this is a very hard time to start this thing but you know what. It's always going to be a hard time. [TS]
01:17:44 ◼ ► So I'm really I'm really hoping that some people do decide to take this up again exercise shirts. [TS]
01:17:51 ◼ ► Get your butt to the gym. Join the team cry that was Aaron motional moment for app montage as well. Yeah. [TS]
01:17:58 ◼ ► We talked about how you know I am really serious and on. This is made a difference. [TS]
01:18:01 ◼ ► Now you feel now when we get up to one hundred episodes we can have. We can have the montage of people looking fit. [TS]
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01:18:47 ◼ ► Now this is normally the part where must sell for C G P I will recommend one of our favorite books. [TS]
01:18:53 ◼ ► But this time of done something a little bit different in honor of a fifty eighth episode. [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► And my collaboration with gray. I decided to download the audiobook. Fifty shades of grey. [TS]
01:19:05 ◼ ► Not something I would normally have done. Now this is a book for grown ups it is not for a younger listeners. [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► And even for adult listeners. I'm not entirely sure this would be one I would recommend. I'm about eight chapters in. [TS]
01:19:18 ◼ ► So I can't speak to the whole book. But here are some reasons I think maybe you should listen to it. [TS]
01:19:25 ◼ ► Now number one is the title character is cold grey. And he's often referred to just as gray. [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► Now this always brings a smile to my face. And in fact. Times he's even referred to by his initials C.T. Gray. [TS]
01:19:38 ◼ ► The character of gray is bit of a control freak. He has an office in a huge glass steel building. [TS]
01:19:44 ◼ ► He runs this thing called Grey enterprises holdings. It is very fun to listen to if you're a friend or fan of say G.P. [TS]
01:19:51 ◼ ► Gray I've often found myself laughing out loud picturing him as the main character. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► It has sequels it's out a boatload of copies. It's really entered popular culture. [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► I think it's good to have sort of a grasp of books like this to know what's in them to know what they're about. [TS]
01:20:17 ◼ ► If you do give it a go please bear in mind I have not recommended this based on its story. Its content or its writing. [TS]
01:20:24 ◼ ► Instead. Let me recommend another Oreo book. Covering the whole idea of relationships. [TS]
01:20:34 ◼ ► It's a mathematicians perspective on everyday things like love and marriage relationships dating. [TS]
01:20:39 ◼ ► It's really good fun really smart. Somehow I think a might be a better fit for the average hello internet listener. [TS]
01:20:48 ◼ ► It's also read by Hannah herself I think she does a really great job it's always good to hear a book read by its author [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► You can actually hear a little preview if you go to the lot of the website before you've even committed to buy [TS]
01:21:01 ◼ ► or signed up to order bill or anything so maybe go check it out. That's the mathematics of love. [TS]
01:21:16 ◼ ► Don't forget there's that free audiobook when you sign up. Go to order blue dot com slash hello internet. [TS]
01:21:22 ◼ ► Make sure you use the slash hello internet said oh no you came from here on the podcast. [TS]
01:21:26 ◼ ► That's extra brownie points for granted. And I think to order go for being part of their fiftieth episode. [TS]
01:21:33 ◼ ► Now to decide if I'm actually going to. If the shades of gray. Oh nothing maybe I'm not on tonight. [TS]
01:21:42 ◼ ► So the next topic is the thing we have to talk about the everyone wants to talk about even Paypal have been making the [TS]
01:21:48 ◼ ► last few days of one of me to talk about to them in person. And I just can't be bothered with it. I know. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► The the elephant in the room for this episode is You Tube read that has been the talk of the town in youtube circles. [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► And I feel somewhat the same way that you do of like oh this is you know like it's an important thing it's a big deal [TS]
01:22:18 ◼ ► and I also feel a huge amount of. Do I have to like you I have to deal with yet another thing. [TS]
01:22:26 ◼ ► I really don't want to have to deal with yet another thing. But we know we were asking people. [TS]
01:22:34 ◼ ► By far and away you two Bread was the number one thing that people want us to discuss this episode. [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► I've been trying to do some information gathering because I know that you just. You really really. [TS]
01:22:50 ◼ ► So I've tried to put together some stuff on it but it's. It's a weird conversation. [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► It's a weird conversation to have a great sense that you've been a little generalist on this one you've been even lot. [TS]
01:23:04 ◼ ► Yeah I have had more conversations with actual humans than I would normally like in any research topic. But OK so the. [TS]
01:23:15 ◼ ► Before we get before we talk about the talking to humans part of it let's let's back up for a second [TS]
01:23:18 ◼ ► and pretend like someone listening has no idea what we're talking about right. So. [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► One hundred years from now we're feeling interested in the details of what was going on Him you by the time You Tube. [TS]
01:23:38 ◼ ► and the executive summary of it is it is You Tube's subscription service. So they want people to pay you tube. [TS]
01:23:47 ◼ ► Ten dollars a month. And in exchange for paying ten dollars a month. There won't be any of the. You too bad. [TS]
01:23:54 ◼ ► So none of those pre rolls. None of the annoying pop up ads that appear on videos. [TS]
01:23:59 ◼ ► That's the main thing that they're pushing. But it's also bundled with several other features. [TS]
01:24:09 ◼ ► And that also comes with this You Tube read service. There also allowing background audio to play in apps on phones. [TS]
01:24:16 ◼ ► They're allowing you to download videos for offline use onto your phone. Say if you're going to get onto an airplane. [TS]
01:24:23 ◼ ► And you want to listen to something while you're in flight. Something you can do. If you are a You Tube. Read a member. [TS]
01:24:29 ◼ ► And then the last thing is they are allowing some creators to have exclusive behind a paywall content. [TS]
01:24:45 ◼ ► but there is some some production of thing that is going to be behind a paywall done sent a virus paper to stump up [TS]
01:24:53 ◼ ► some the money. Exactly. Example they keep using is that if you defy who is currently the number one. You Tube or. [TS]
01:25:00 ◼ ► He has made some T.V. Show with the people from The Walking Dead and this is their their flagship example of. [TS]
01:25:15 ◼ ► It feels a bit like it's their Netflix move like they want to have exclusive content [TS]
01:25:23 ◼ ► That's a fair summary and obviously some of what I think we're going to talk about is what's happening with money. [TS]
01:25:30 ◼ ► Now what does that mean for the creators. And I think we'll come to that in a second. [TS]
01:25:33 ◼ ► In the cannot Isaak you for just a second to take off your hat of being a creation pretend you've never met a You Tube [TS]
01:25:39 ◼ ► and your loss let you do what You Tube videos because you do what some You Tube videos I think you want more than me. [TS]
01:25:45 ◼ ► Is that an appealing. Product that's being offered. But is that something you're thinking. [TS]
01:25:52 ◼ ► Does that have appealed to you just as a consumer before we talk about all the other implications and things going on. [TS]
01:26:02 ◼ ► I think I actually tend to watch You Tube A bit like a bit like someone who is unfamiliar with You Tube culture. [TS]
01:26:09 ◼ ► Watches You Tube videos as in I find popular videos on places like read it and so I will watch those videos but. [TS]
01:26:15 ◼ ► I'm not like I'm not deep into the You Tube culture of watching videos. But. But nonetheless. [TS]
01:26:21 ◼ ► I might as well say straight up that. When you to read becomes available in the U.K. [TS]
01:26:26 ◼ ► Which it currently isn't it's as we're talking it's just available in America. I will probably sign up for it and. [TS]
01:26:33 ◼ ► The main reason is I would just like to be able to have videos play on my i Pad and on my i Phone immediately. [TS]
01:26:44 ◼ ► Or what happens weekly if someone sends me a video and there's like oh look at this what do you think about this thing. [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► And I just find it really irritating when I click that link. And then I get a thirty second on skippable ad. [TS]
01:26:56 ◼ ► Just like I'm not going to use their music service. I don't really care about their exclusive content. [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► I don't really care about the offline use the background audio is nice like I'll probably use that. [TS]
01:27:06 ◼ ► But I would pay the ten dollars a month just to get rid of an skippable pre roll ads in front of videos. [TS]
01:27:11 ◼ ► So I will probably sign up for this. When it is available from the consumer perspective. [TS]
01:27:17 ◼ ► And there's no AD Look at that stop can stop those on scapegoat payrolls as that job anyway. [TS]
01:27:23 ◼ ► So that's why I mentioned on my i Pad on my i Phone. I got a computer you can get ad lockers little block that stuff. [TS]
01:27:31 ◼ ► But even though Apple has recently introduced at blocking technology to their platform. [TS]
01:27:37 ◼ ► It doesn't work because the You Tube app is a totally self-contained space where they control everything so you can't [TS]
01:27:54 ◼ ► Getting rid of the inbuilt adds something that is is worth it to me to do just to get rid of that annoyance like I [TS]
01:28:02 ◼ ► That is my one hundred percent I am a consumer what is in it for me I don't care about anything else. Yet respective. [TS]
01:28:14 ◼ ► Yeah well I think my son on the floor for the same reason I think the only thing that appeals to me is the. [TS]
01:28:21 ◼ ► Not having to watch ads all the time. I don't run at blocking software right on my on my computer. [TS]
01:28:31 ◼ ► I'm not judging or anything I just it's probably more laziness and naive men this anything [TS]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Not watching videos because of an ad like someone everyone everyone's talking about some of Covidien read [TS]
01:28:50 ◼ ► And I just go off and do something else and forget that I was going to watch a certain. So I will get value out of it. [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► And also like. I'm just someone who likes having you know. I do like having like the nice version of something. Yeah. [TS]
01:29:05 ◼ ► If I could have a MacBook in a macro prairie I like having to proceed because I feel like of but the good version. [TS]
01:29:22 ◼ ► Mark come to light up a name with great. Yeah. So I think there's a really good chance. [TS]
01:29:32 ◼ ► That's not test approval or disapproval of of the whole concept because I don't really know where my headset with that. [TS]
01:29:41 ◼ ► Do a fine. Adds an annoyance. And I realize I contribute to that annoyance as a chip maker has ads on videos. I get. [TS]
01:29:56 ◼ ► but was the nobody you know I think I try not to have an skippable ads on my videos because I think. [TS]
01:30:02 ◼ ► I don't like that I make them. Skip but when I have when I have that fine grand Contro. [TS]
01:30:07 ◼ ► Yeah this is this is where everybody has their own preferences about what counts is as annoying [TS]
01:30:15 ◼ ► So before we have this conversation it is the case that both of us will almost certainly get you to bread [TS]
01:30:20 ◼ ► when it comes to the U.K. For yeah. I would say eighty percent seventy percent maybe it's very possible I want. [TS]
01:30:29 ◼ ► I'm not my position is not phonier. Well yeah you know knowing much about it is a bit of the thing. [TS]
01:30:34 ◼ ► So I went back in time because this whole project the idea of a youtube subscription service is something that we first [TS]
01:30:47 ◼ ► When You Tube started sending around notices to the creators that they wanted us to agree to this new terms of service [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► When we were trying to go through like the contract that we had at the time. And how You Tube. [TS]
01:31:14 ◼ ► Back then had a little notice about agreed to this now. But don't worry we will share more details. With the creators. [TS]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Closer to launch was the thing that we heard from you. And the maddest Henri from a creator's perspective. [TS]
01:31:35 ◼ ► And I think one of the reasons why so many youtube or years are talking about this why there's so many videos [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► You to bread is because of this massive one certainty that promise from six months ago about sharing more details. [TS]
01:31:51 ◼ ► Was completely. Unfulfilled. By You Tube. This thing was just suddenly launching and. [TS]
01:32:03 ◼ ► But communicating clearly with the people who create content for its platform is something that they are terrible at. [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► and so I think a lot of people found themselves in the situation of basically You Tube says. Oh. [TS]
01:32:25 ◼ ► Tomorrow we're launching a service. That might radically change how you make money on this platform. [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► And we are going to offer no details on how that will be. Trust us. You'll make more money. But just you know. [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► or a from the Creator perspective of of how this seems to have gone down there's just no real information. [TS]
01:32:52 ◼ ► For the creators. Do you have a theory about that do you think it's because the people you have access to don't know. [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► Or do you think it's like a deliberate. Obsess you know. Obscuring of a comment you have a G. [TS]
01:33:08 ◼ ► Can you expand on that oh it's just just the ideas. I don't know why. I don't know why this is the case. [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► Some official link that I can go to that's like a policy page that explains to people who create things what is [TS]
01:33:38 ◼ ► and what is not allowed it is very hard to ever pin down. An answer to some of these things and. [TS]
01:33:47 ◼ ► I have spoken to several people at several different levels inside youtube trying to get answers about this. [TS]
01:34:06 ◼ ► It's not just me that has been doing this so again so some of the like slightly behind the scenes stuff is almost every [TS]
01:34:14 ◼ ► large crater that I know. And if you go search for videos on youtube or creators are talking about You Tube read. [TS]
01:34:21 ◼ ► Almost every creator has done the same thing where they're trying to reach out to whoever they happen to know inside [TS]
01:34:26 ◼ ► you tube. To get answers to their questions and. Everybody knows different people on You Tube. [TS]
01:34:34 ◼ ► And then they're coming back with totally different answers about how the system is going to work behind the scenes. [TS]
01:34:44 ◼ ► Mill where everybody feels like who knows what's going on so it's like Tim the secret guy on the inside of You Tube has [TS]
01:34:51 ◼ ► said this thing. And to meet as super secret guy on the inside of You Tube has said this other thing. [TS]
01:35:06 ◼ ► and usually contradictory things are like it's just it creates this whole feeling of on trusted mislike. [TS]
01:35:14 ◼ ► Surely inside You Tube somewhere there is a document that says how this is going to work. [TS]
01:35:19 ◼ ► Or maybe they just haven't really decided yet and they're just throwing stuff out and seeing how people react. [TS]
01:35:24 ◼ ► I don't know what it is but I just get this feeling like You Tube is this big thing [TS]
01:35:30 ◼ ► and there are parts of it that are not in communication with other parts of it internally. [TS]
01:35:36 ◼ ► That's that's my impression of of what's going on all right. So what is going on before I say anything. [TS]
01:35:50 ◼ ► when people are talking about it later on so I want to say this really clearly. I expect that under the new system. [TS]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Oh most certainly ome ost. Every single creator. Will make more money with you to bread. [TS]
01:36:08 ◼ ► Than without it You Tube would have to really really screw the pooch on this one. To make it not work. [TS]
01:36:16 ◼ ► And one of the reasons is if you can convince even a very very small subset of your users to directly give you money [TS]
01:36:25 ◼ ► which is what you two Bread is trying to do. They literally count like a thousand times worth. People watching ads. [TS]
01:36:35 ◼ ► I think people always imagine like what is the success of this service in terms of how many people sign up like what [TS]
01:36:45 ◼ ► And like you cannot imagine what a miniscule percentage they need to get in order to make this financially successful [TS]
01:36:53 ◼ ► or something assess to us hey guys you know do you want me to what your ads although I throw a new cheaper Dios because [TS]
01:37:02 ◼ ► but if I was going to apply I'd say to you what you want because that no point no no no no one of a cent. [TS]
01:37:13 ◼ ► and watching the video I don't think that you're making a huge financial contribution just by watching your money. [TS]
01:37:22 ◼ ► Given patriotic or buy Teisho something that's when actually starts a Yankee defense to my pocket. Yeah. [TS]
01:37:28 ◼ ► That's exactly right and they get to some of the You Tube specifics are are. We're not exactly. [TS]
01:37:34 ◼ ► Allowed to talk to them. But I will reference something that is in the public domain. [TS]
01:37:45 ◼ ► Which is saying that one person giving you a dollar directly. Korean to John I'm not saying anything. [TS]
01:37:57 ◼ ► Like that says I'm just I'm just commenting on a number of the John is that that's all I'm doing here. [TS]
01:38:02 ◼ ► But the still creators want to know how is this. How is this going to be working on now. [TS]
01:38:07 ◼ ► I've done a thing where I have spoken to a few people who are. Not in the industry. [TS]
01:38:15 ◼ ► But are familiar with the existence of something called you to bread. And I asked them how did they imagine. [TS]
01:38:25 ◼ ► And interestingly everyone has the same response. So they're thinking. Oh OK. If I sign up for you to bread. [TS]
01:38:33 ◼ ► I get these features. And then some of my money about half of the money is going to be split up. [TS]
01:38:45 ◼ ► So most people are imagining that this is not only just for these features but it's. [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► It's like many of the fund raising things that exist it is also a way to support the channels that you watch. [TS]
01:38:58 ◼ ► And I just think it's interesting that this is the impression that outsiders seem to have. [TS]
01:39:03 ◼ ► And one of the things I was trying very hard to get confirmed. And I would say I have satisfactorily. Confirmed. [TS]
01:39:10 ◼ ► Is that this is not really how You Tube at this moment is planning to distribute the money. [TS]
01:39:23 ◼ ► They're going to keep half of the money and half of the money is going to go to creators. [TS]
01:39:28 ◼ ► But it is not going to go to just the creators. That you watch. So if I sign on an ole I do is watch. [TS]
01:39:40 ◼ ► Pickard going to get five bucks and destines going to get five bucks and that's why it is back. [TS]
01:39:52 ◼ ► That's not how it's going to work their way You Tube is running it is they're running it as one gigantic pool of money. [TS]
01:40:08 ◼ ► And then what they're doing is they're taking all of the videos. Across the whole of You Tube and saying. You. [TS]
01:40:18 ◼ ► Dear creator. What percentage of the total watch time of all videos on You Tube were your videos. [TS]
01:40:30 ◼ ► But it's a very giant pile of money if this works out well. And so everybody gets a percentage of the total pile. [TS]
01:40:40 ◼ ► That their videos were compared of across all of you to know that is the way that this money is going to be distributed [TS]
01:40:48 ◼ ► as best I can tell from the various people that I have spoken to inside of you to other different. [TS]
01:40:58 ◼ ► Or are they making separate like John Rizzo most of categories like does. Or is it is everyone competing on the same. [TS]
01:41:10 ◼ ► Many months ago we made a comment about how there were some language in their contract about dividing people up into [TS]
01:41:15 ◼ ► different slices in different pools. Yeah. So far I have heard nothing about that that it's just one gigantic pool. [TS]
01:41:24 ◼ ► Taylor Swift is an interesting example because I think I still think that the music stuff is in is the only thing [TS]
01:41:32 ◼ ► and I don't know the answer to that given that You Tube is also combining this with our Google is also combine this [TS]
01:41:37 ◼ ► with their music service. This is just one of the very many things that is unclear. [TS]
01:41:43 ◼ ► Because if they are doing it by Watch time. And they are including music in that pile is like well. [TS]
01:41:54 ◼ ► Because in terms of watch time like the listener numbers on those music videos are just call re use the hi there [TS]
01:42:01 ◼ ► absolutely just crazy high but i'd that I don't know the answer to I don't know how that's going to work out. [TS]
01:42:14 ◼ ► How does this benefit Mayhew to the length of my videos. You know someone who does very short. [TS]
01:42:20 ◼ ► Very short videos of the season are going to get you know a minute or two of attention. [TS]
01:42:27 ◼ ► That goes for the White House of them playing three a video game is going to have more of the Watch time. [TS]
01:42:42 ◼ ► Get penalize dresses people who just keep you watching for a long time. Yeah. I mean this is. [TS]
01:42:48 ◼ ► This is while the two creators care a lot about the algorithms because the way they decide it affects the way the [TS]
01:42:54 ◼ ► income distribution. Goes. But even still I like let's take my channel as an example right. Very short videos. [TS]
01:43:03 ◼ ► That are contributing almost certainly to a tiny tiny portion of the total watched time on You Tube compared to other [TS]
01:43:19 ◼ ► Because I still expect that because of how poorly youtube ads pay. Versus someone giving you tube money directly. [TS]
01:43:39 ◼ ► Like that that's my prediction right now like I am someone that this system is not very well optimized for. [TS]
01:43:50 ◼ ► That's just my guess just given the relative numbers of for Advani. It says that you've dropped the code gray. [TS]
01:43:57 ◼ ► I'm trying to think about how to freight phrase The next thing right so despite saying that the spite saying that I [TS]
01:44:09 ◼ ► The thing that I find baffling about this whole process is like we discussed on that episode six months ago. [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► That I would feel like boy I would love to with the end of my video. Tell my subscribers. [TS]
01:44:39 ◼ ► You should sign up for you to Brad. I will never do that under the circumstances as they are today. [TS]
01:44:54 ◼ ► They it you can't at the end of every single video. Ask your subscribers to do a bunch of things. [TS]
01:45:01 ◼ ► You have to pick a small number of things to mention infrequently. I think if you really want to have maximum impact. [TS]
01:45:09 ◼ ► Yes. And so my feeling is OK at the end of my videos. Most of the time I mention something. [TS]
01:45:18 ◼ ► And I have a few things that I rotate. It's like OK. Sometimes I mention my email list. [TS]
01:45:27 ◼ ► Sometimes it's a link to go do something else or sometimes merchandise like there's a row. [TS]
01:45:31 ◼ ► There's a rotation of things that I think are worth mentioning at the end of my videos You Tube read will never make [TS]
01:45:37 ◼ ► that rotation. And I just feel like You Tube is missing out on something like they should design a system such that. [TS]
01:45:48 ◼ ► I feel that yes. I should recommend to subscribers to use it. And I think the way people think You Tube read works. [TS]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Is a situation under which channels would tell their users to subscribe to you to Bret. [TS]
01:46:06 ◼ ► And so you can imagine say a channel that is smaller. That has a dedicated following of subscribers. [TS]
01:46:16 ◼ ► Up among just the channels that you watched smaller channels with dedicated followers would have an incentive to [TS]
01:46:29 ◼ ► They don't have an incentive to recommend it I just feel like it's a strange way that You Tube has set this up like you [TS]
01:46:35 ◼ ► are a platform. That depends on this and Norm is community of content creators. To constantly make something. [TS]
01:46:44 ◼ ► And there's a way in which you can build this business system so that people would recommend it [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► but you chose this option. That makes it very hard for anyone to recommend it to their own viewers. [TS]
01:47:00 ◼ ► Isn't that what she would want you tube. But there's never a situation under which. [TS]
01:47:04 ◼ ► If I had the decision and like OK what am I going to mention at the end of this video. [TS]
01:47:07 ◼ ► And my going to mention patriotic or my going to tell people to sign up for you to bread. I'm never going to pick. [TS]
01:47:13 ◼ ► You to bread under that scenario. Because if someone gives me a dollar on patriotic. [TS]
01:47:19 ◼ ► It's a it's a thousand times better than getting one one millionth of a percentage of the total watch time of my videos [TS]
01:47:28 ◼ ► on all of You Tube from there you to read subscription. I mean that my oh sorry pay the case. [TS]
01:47:33 ◼ ► If they did do the other model if if people saw none were directly panky my still be better off on them giving money on [TS]
01:47:43 ◼ ► Close a you feel more attached to it if you feel this like a kind of a user pays model and. [TS]
01:47:55 ◼ ► If they could make it right there on the page like there may be a case under which getting people to sign up for you to [TS]
01:48:01 ◼ ► bread under this alternate model would actually be better because they're already there like they're on the You Tube [TS]
01:48:07 ◼ ► behaves like maybe Google or the knows their account details like they could make it super easy to sign up. [TS]
01:48:11 ◼ ► Whereas any time you send someone to a different thing like go over to patriotic now there's a whole other system [TS]
01:48:18 ◼ ► You always lose a surprising number of people when you ask people to go somewhere else. [TS]
01:48:23 ◼ ► So I can imagine that even even if the ratios were different like that the You Tube read option under this alternate [TS]
01:48:30 ◼ ► model might still work out better. But so I guess like that's my fundamental feeling of this is is. [TS]
01:48:38 ◼ ► I just I like a business arrangement where feels like everybody wants to be a part of it and wants to recommend it. [TS]
01:48:45 ◼ ► And there's You Tube read thing is a story of having been bullied by You Tube over the past six months to agree to this [TS]
01:48:56 ◼ ► and like getting e-mails from You Tube about why haven't you signed this contract like constant pop up notifications on [TS]
01:49:09 ◼ ► And that now that it's here that I would never recommend to my subscribers to do out of my own self interest as like if [TS]
01:49:25 ◼ ► I want to business arrangement with you to where I feel like we are both benefiting from helping each other well cry I [TS]
01:49:31 ◼ ► mean you know in a way what you said is kind of redundant at first because you will always benefit more from someone [TS]
01:49:39 ◼ ► doing something directly feel like you're patriotic or you Tasia. So going and joining your email list. [TS]
01:49:49 ◼ ► That is lucky to Bradway you would prefer that the people going and just giving over their money directly AIG. [TS]
01:49:55 ◼ ► So I think. I think in a way. It's asking too much for you cheap to create a model that is so good that. [TS]
01:50:03 ◼ ► I'm going to recommend. I have all my other ways of making come. That I think that's unrealistic. [TS]
01:50:08 ◼ ► But what you say that I do think history is the feeling that we were a little bit royal write it into. [TS]
01:50:27 ◼ ► Is that when only one party in a contract once the contract to be signed. That usually means it's not a good contract. [TS]
01:50:35 ◼ ► or not this is really good on our wouldn't be so much will I recommend to my viewers it would have been Do I want to be [TS]
01:50:41 ◼ ► in the program. They should add a program called Use your breath that was voluntary. [TS]
01:50:47 ◼ ► And I should have been knocking banging down the door saying our Goetia hope I get laid in. [TS]
01:50:56 ◼ ► but I didn't do that they made a suspicious by saying we can explain what this is trust me it's fearing good sign here. [TS]
01:51:04 ◼ ► Yeah. And that has created. Doubt. And you make me think. Maybe it's created out wrongly. [TS]
01:51:10 ◼ ► That's that's where I think the problem has been in the birth process and not the any of this matters to the viewers [TS]
01:51:15 ◼ ► but that's where the problem has been for us. Yes. The people listen to this pod cast to get up to the day. [TS]
01:51:20 ◼ ► Behind the scenes and who's the U.T.I. I don't want to know I don't know if I'm not saying we should listen to her. [TS]
01:51:29 ◼ ► Really wiring about whether or not you know their particular create is a going to get a fax of the pie. Yeah. [TS]
01:51:35 ◼ ► But it's definitely that feeling of railroaded ness of. No one likes to be forced into a thing. [TS]
01:51:42 ◼ ► And I think the reason why people don't like that feeling is. Yes. Even if You Tube read works out better for creators. [TS]
01:51:50 ◼ ► Which I suspect that it might. The fact that they can railroad you into the thing. [TS]
01:51:55 ◼ ► And that they have railroaded you into the thing. It's just a reminder that they can. [TS]
01:52:03 ◼ ► And I mean I got I got an e-mail from someone at youtube that they were talking about how like you have to sign this [TS]
01:52:09 ◼ ► thing. Otherwise. We're going to take all your videos down like they're going to be private and nobody can see them. [TS]
01:52:18 ◼ ► He was literally like it would be a real shame if everything you worked for on You Tube. Went away. [TS]
01:52:26 ◼ ► And like come on like I really like this is really the email that you're sending me you've got to be kidding me. Humph. [TS]
01:52:33 ◼ ► Yeah feels a little bit like the mob is visiting my corner deli that I OWN make a sandwiches for the neighborhood in [TS]
01:52:41 ◼ ► L.A. Be a real shame if this place burned down wouldn't. I think yeah. It would be. [TS]
01:52:45 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it's really going to affect your livelihood if your place bends down so maybe you should give me all that [TS]
01:52:49 ◼ ► money. Yeah yeah yeah. You are NOW YOU'RE A It was. It was No I mean what an odd and I mean like I guess. [TS]
01:53:01 ◼ ► I'm absolutely sure that the e-mails that we got from various people that I've heard lots of people being contacted was [TS]
01:53:08 ◼ ► entirely because everyone I know it was playing this game of chicken with the Agree button. Of. Nobody was clicking it. [TS]
01:53:15 ◼ ► I'm sure their agreement rate was less than one percent for the previous six months [TS]
01:53:21 ◼ ► and then only in the couple days right up before it did anybody actually click agree. [TS]
01:53:25 ◼ ► If it got almost every single sign up at the at the absolute last possible moment. [TS]
01:53:30 ◼ ► I mean I'm assuming have you click the button you must have. I actually didn't have a button. [TS]
01:53:35 ◼ ► I had to I had to print out and scan this tremendously large document which was have a. If I know what do I have. [TS]
01:53:45 ◼ ► I have signed the agreement. I had to vote I would that would my videos would be watchable in America anymore. Right. [TS]
01:53:53 ◼ ► I mean it was I mean what if they said you know what changing all your videos to black and white [TS]
01:53:58 ◼ ► and putting a heavy metal track on to them a. Now. As if you don't want to study that. [TS]
01:54:02 ◼ ► That's fine but that will go to private and what be this aboard America. Right and I could do that tomorrow as well. [TS]
01:54:08 ◼ ► Yeah yeah ever peril but we always have been. That's why nobody likes to be reminded of of that scenario. [TS]
01:54:21 ◼ ► but it's like hey You Tube if you wonder why sometimes very many of your large creators are very vocal in their [TS]
01:54:28 ◼ ► criticism of the whole system is like stuff like this is why it is is just the way. [TS]
01:54:39 ◼ ► Is never to pull grade like you know how almost everyone hates their boss in a way. You know is inevitable. [TS]
01:54:46 ◼ ► At the platform there on you know we disavowed cars that are made by developers and they're always [TS]
01:54:54 ◼ ► I mean is it just human nature that every create a hates the platform their own people who are massive Twitter [TS]
01:55:01 ◼ ► following site the new thing that twit is doing and we just all a bunch of winches. [TS]
01:55:06 ◼ ► He did human beings like to complain yes I think human beings do like to complain. That's for sure. [TS]
01:55:13 ◼ ► The only other thing that I just want to to touch on which was the main thing that I wanted to get confirmed. [TS]
01:55:20 ◼ ► Is I think that there's this weird. Fundamental conflict in the You Tube read business. And the creators. Business. [TS]
01:55:37 ◼ ► So like you do at the end of your videos you say oh you know thanks to Autobytel or for Squarespace [TS]
01:55:41 ◼ ► or whoever it is Harry's. You know at the end of the video for sponsoring the video. I've done this in into videos in. [TS]
01:55:51 ◼ ► but the video after that I'm planning to have a sponsor in that video like this is the thing that creators do. [TS]
01:55:56 ◼ ► To greater or lesser extent. Yes and we were wondering a while back like well what does You Tube Read mean for this. [TS]
01:56:05 ◼ ► Because if users are being sold pay ten dollars a month and you won't see any ads. [TS]
01:56:11 ◼ ► But creators are putting ads in their videos like like centrally burning them in making right. Get written like what. [TS]
01:56:21 ◼ ► And the thing that made me particular curious about this is one of the very many reasons I haven't put ads in my videos [TS]
01:56:28 ◼ ► for the large part is. This has been against the letter of the law for youtube for forever. That this is not allowed. [TS]
01:56:39 ◼ ► My lawyer look over the contract like I had some people confirm inside youtube like now this is against the rules. [TS]
01:56:45 ◼ ► But so many creators do this that the impression that I have gotten over the past couple years is that You Tube's real [TS]
01:57:01 ◼ ► Because You Tube is aware like a while our own ads. Don't pay very well. And the inbuilt sponsors pay much better and. [TS]
01:57:11 ◼ ► and we're just going to let it slide even though we didn't against the letter of the law. [TS]
01:57:17 ◼ ► What's going to happen with You Tube read like isn't this a conflict with the with an ad for You Tube. Yes. [TS]
01:57:31 ◼ ► Saying that burned in ads are OK as long as they follow a couple of guidelines. And the main guidelines there are. [TS]
01:57:46 ◼ ► And it has to be a static image that it can't be like the person talking to camera. [TS]
01:57:52 ◼ ► You can't be doing something for it can't look like part of the video. And it also can't look like a post roll ad. [TS]
01:57:59 ◼ ► So this is now. The letter of the law according to You Tube. Is that they are sanctioning these things in a limited. [TS]
01:58:08 ◼ ► Manner which are no such limit their value at imagine they fit with those conditions with. [TS]
01:58:12 ◼ ► You know half the a pail of them is that they have the authenticity of being spoken by the people in the video [TS]
01:58:19 ◼ ► and by looking at you and stuff but yeah I mean you can still talk over the static image of course yet here. [TS]
01:58:26 ◼ ► They don't require it to be dead silent night not just a picture of a lot of folks are dead I know of it. [TS]
01:58:33 ◼ ► Just that if they're the seconds of silence. Yes. I have seen. I have seen. Creators do. [TS]
01:58:40 ◼ ► Very interesting things with the ads at the end and. Like I found out like one of the things I did. On my videos. [TS]
01:58:46 ◼ ► According to the letter of the law is not allowed which is that I had the added the end. [TS]
01:58:50 ◼ ► But then there was like a five second thing for people who stuck through the ad like as a little reward. Yeah. [TS]
01:58:56 ◼ ► And they're like No no no that's not that's not allowed it has to be the last thirty seconds. Yeah. [TS]
01:59:01 ◼ ► You know you can't have anything else. And so all I can think of is like OK Well once again. [TS]
01:59:09 ◼ ► Right like OK this is their policy like we'll see if they actually decide to crack down on it. [TS]
01:59:14 ◼ ► But I just think this is. This is a bizarre thing. I keep your headlining feature is no ads on You Tube. [TS]
01:59:20 ◼ ► I think your average user is going to be confused by that like well like I'm paying money to not see ads. [TS]
01:59:29 ◼ ► People care about the difference between a pre roll ad or a post roll ad. And an ad that burned into the video. [TS]
01:59:41 ◼ ► I'm just I'm going to be very curious to see how this goes. Yeah. Will it bring it to a head. Yeah. [TS]
01:59:49 ◼ ► You Tube isn't a very difficult position here. Precisely because those ads pay way more than the You Tube. [TS]
01:59:59 ◼ ► Oh yeah definitely definitely some creators are dependent on them. And I imagine even. Even under the most optimistic. [TS]
02:00:06 ◼ ► Of scenarios of you two bread. I don't think they'll be able to match those inbuilt ads. [TS]
02:00:11 ◼ ► So You Tube is just in a really difficult position here. And I think it is really interesting that that. [TS]
02:00:20 ◼ ► and I'm I'm just very curious to see a couple months from now like how does this how does this shake out. [TS]
02:00:29 ◼ ► Somewhere to see an official document somewhere in You Tube like saying this is the policy and this is the thing. [TS]
02:00:36 ◼ ► but you know you never get that with you to ever get that the free for the putting it is coming the testing isn't it [TS]
02:00:44 ◼ ► Not this first month because of how of the debacle today with the free trial but yeah. [TS]
02:00:48 ◼ ► The after after all the dust has settled. If people any more money. I guess I'll shut up. Yeah. And if. [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► And if they scream bloody murder so I'm going to be depending on you to tell me how it's worked out because I'd not [TS]
02:01:01 ◼ ► very good at following that kind of thing. Yeah I mean we could just mention it in passing that You Tube. [TS]
02:01:05 ◼ ► Seems to be pulling the same thing that Apple tried to with their music service. Of everybody gets a free trial. [TS]
02:01:11 ◼ ► And then the creators going hey wait a minute what like what happens to our ad revenue during this time. [TS]
02:01:23 ◼ ► There's a feeling that you have had Brady that I have I've definitely come to agree with over time that I didn't used [TS]
02:01:31 ◼ ► to agree with and I feel like this You Tube read thing. And all of these details about like you know. [TS]
02:01:36 ◼ ► Adding paid during the free trial like what's happening here. I just. I just have this feeling in my mind of like. [TS]
02:01:44 ◼ ► I just hate all this business that I just you you said a while ago like you just want to make videos. [TS]
02:01:56 ◼ ► I've just been aware of like more and more of my time has been sucked up in like business related stuff. [TS]
02:02:14 ◼ ► When you talk to other creators it's very very natural that stuff. Turns toward business. [TS]
02:02:20 ◼ ► Like we have done it that we start talking business like if we're just hanging out and if I have thought sometimes. [TS]
02:02:27 ◼ ► I've ever seen Mean Girls Brady. I have no on Aida the classic the kind of rating. [TS]
02:02:34 ◼ ► I should watch or you should watch it. We should have a slumber party and watch mean girls. [TS]
02:02:45 ◼ ► But there's a there's a very minor scene in Mean Girls that I have thought of a few times [TS]
02:02:51 ◼ ► when I'm talking business with other creators. And the main character. Hates the Nemesis girl in this movie. [TS]
02:03:12 ◼ ► But her internal monologue is she saying to herself. Why do I keep talking about this. [TS]
02:03:17 ◼ ► I am boring myself talking about this I don't want to talk about this but I can't stop myself from talking about this. [TS]
02:03:24 ◼ ► And I have felt that way a little bit with just some of this business stuff. Over the past few months. Is like man. [TS]
02:03:32 ◼ ► I just want to focus on videos like I don't want to have to worry about all of this stuff. [TS]
02:03:37 ◼ ► But as the industry gets bigger and bigger it big it just it naturally becomes more and more a part of it. [TS]
02:03:47 ◼ ► Social media managers to like deal with all of the back end stuff for the business I always used to feel like Oh that's [TS]
02:03:53 ◼ ► ridiculous like it's just so easy to deal with You Tube directly and just manage the stuff yourself and I feel more [TS]
02:04:04 ◼ ► You off from all of the behind the scene gears of the business and just focus much more on the on the creative and. [TS]
02:04:13 ◼ ► It's one of the nice things about doing a poet cost and some wise old argument at the buy [TS]
02:04:18 ◼ ► but one of the nice things about doing a podcast is fellow Satou hours will say oh you're doing is like making a thing. [TS]
02:04:26 ◼ ► Well yeah. It's too and like it's even better than like editing or animating organizing or maintaining a website. It's. [TS]
02:04:33 ◼ ► It's like quite an intense period of just like hand to mouth making like the only time I get anything like it is [TS]
02:04:43 ◼ ► or videoing because like that's almost took a one to one relationship between what you're doing [TS]
02:04:49 ◼ ► and what ends up as output. But even that has like a higher thresh of higher amount of stuff that gets thrown away. [TS]
02:04:56 ◼ ► And editing is obviously we did I print ten C N N An amazing he's really been tense if that podcast we've got a really [TS]
02:05:02 ◼ ► good ratio of the amount of time I spend doing it to the amount of Continent it gets created the other end. [TS]
02:05:11 ◼ ► I complete I completely agree and I have that same feeling that. When we are making the podcast together. [TS]
02:05:19 ◼ ► I am very focused on this thing. Like I'm very focused on the conversation that we're having. [TS]
02:05:25 ◼ ► And what we're talking about. And on the screen. No I just have the show notes and a reminder that we're alive and. [TS]
02:05:32 ◼ ► I watch the waveforms come across and feel like a we're making this thing that people are going to listen to [TS]
02:05:43 ◼ ► This is nice that there's a big audience of people who enjoys it and it's relatively. [TS]
02:05:52 ◼ ► You know the but the back end stuff of it like it's very rewarding is very rewarding. [TS]
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02:07:40 ◼ ► Let's let So to to end our fiftieth podcast we're going to answer. And talk about a few things that use the listeners. [TS]
02:07:48 ◼ ► Tim and Tim It's what you sect in a teen as. I think is a to me thought I don't know if you met me at and I I had. [TS]
02:07:56 ◼ ► I actually had a a listener email. This week I think. Offering to increase their patriotic pledge to ashes. [TS]
02:08:05 ◼ ► If we would replace Tim is a generic viewer name with the name. That's not for sale. That's not for Saddam. [TS]
02:08:13 ◼ ► There were no I think is there were no figures thrown in an icon and what the person's name was but I thought that was. [TS]
02:08:28 ◼ ► Nike wrote in to tell us about that what you're trying to hear what you're saying we hope you hope you're enjoying the [TS]
02:08:41 ◼ ► They call I was alright yeah you're sorry but I just so I did think that was quite ingenious [TS]
02:08:45 ◼ ► and it was it was sent in amongst over email yes questions. I thought was going to mention is my. [TS]
02:08:51 ◼ ► My favorite team related comment that I've seen so far which is that team should be the collective noun for a group of [TS]
02:09:01 ◼ ► Right at him is a collection of hello internet listeners I like that. Yeah that's not bad. That's not bad. [TS]
02:09:07 ◼ ► Oh yeah and that was like yeah. Like like how you have lot node Fatah's know you different. These houses let the team. [TS]
02:09:13 ◼ ► Right so it's not for sale. It's about society. But make an offer. Brady still has a price. [TS]
02:09:25 ◼ ► So I think probably the most common question that we've been asked why I'm mile. Was how did we mate. Now. [TS]
02:09:42 ◼ ► I remember I remember the first time I laid eyes on you see. This is this is so remain to quit. [TS]
02:09:48 ◼ ► I don't remember anything about that you're going to have to tell me this story no remember it. [TS]
02:09:58 ◼ ► But I have no recollection for the specific moment so I am just as curious as the Tims are to find out the answer to [TS]
02:10:09 ◼ ► There was a conference in held in Waterloo none other was organized by Henry of Minute Physics I'm [TS]
02:10:15 ◼ ► and handcart had various educational He chases and say you were invited and I voted along with numerous other people. [TS]
02:10:22 ◼ ► And I remember I arrived at the hotel we're staying at the day before. And I didn't know anyone. [TS]
02:10:27 ◼ ► I'd never even met Henry and only a game out with Henry I knew no one had come over from the U.K. [TS]
02:10:33 ◼ ► and I told Henry the odd arrived and he said I'll come and make come and me in my hotel room here with. [TS]
02:10:39 ◼ ► I'm here with Dirk. A very stably I'm what I think he pronounced as Derek very Tassimo time. But he said I'm with him. [TS]
02:10:48 ◼ ► So I went to the hotel room and a knock down the door and the door opened and there was Henry. And there was Derek. [TS]
02:11:01 ◼ ► Maybe on a chair next to the bed with Derek and he was not showing me some camera he had. [TS]
02:11:06 ◼ ► And I was many of and for the first time. And you were sitting in the corner. Well. OK. [TS]
02:11:11 ◼ ► Yeah I remember this now that you bring it up. I remember this. I don't know if I knew. [TS]
02:11:17 ◼ ► Because I'm not someone who like researchers who everyone was so I don't know who was big and important he wasn't he. [TS]
02:11:26 ◼ ► He were black I don't think Arnie are that's the that's the guy whatever cause I was right or aka what your videos [TS]
02:11:36 ◼ ► Yeah quite reasonable to not know who the vast majority of the people were are tell you a funny story about John Green [TS]
02:11:46 ◼ ► But but but then I remember you spoke. And at one point. I connected your voice with the U.K. [TS]
02:11:58 ◼ ► Because my brother in already like that and sent it to me and I do remember at one point saying Oh man. [TS]
02:12:05 ◼ ► and I remember commenting Well your voice is just like it is in the video screen a lot of other people aren't [TS]
02:12:11 ◼ ► but I do remember I do remember at one point saying now I know he was because I recognize your voice from the U.K. [TS]
02:12:16 ◼ ► Video. That's my new memory of that first meeting. And then lobby so you know we hung out at that conference. [TS]
02:12:22 ◼ ► Loads and loads. But is that what your memory of that. Well the thing I'm reminded of is yes. [TS]
02:12:28 ◼ ► I now remember that hotel room. Because that was when I first met. Henry and. Derek a very testy. [TS]
02:12:46 ◼ ► and strategically realizing that I needed to secure the chair as fast as possible that there was one chair in the room. [TS]
02:12:53 ◼ ► And there was a bed. And it was a bit of like oh it's just a hotel room where people are going to meet and. [TS]
02:13:00 ◼ ► I have gotten much better than I used to be. But like I'm never good at meeting people at even at my best. [TS]
02:13:07 ◼ ► And I was worse headed then than I am now. And so I just remember like I could walk into that room and was like OK. [TS]
02:13:13 ◼ ► I need to get the chair and I need to get the corner of the room so that my back is to the wall. [TS]
02:13:23 ◼ ► I don't have to deal with any of the awkwardness of standing or like moving around [TS]
02:13:27 ◼ ► or shuffling it's like no I'm going to anchor myself to the corner. And I'm going to be able to see everybody. [TS]
02:13:32 ◼ ► And this is how I will deal with a parade of new people with my primary memory of. [TS]
02:13:44 ◼ ► I am I am not surprised at all that conference was for for me as it was for you where I met many of the people that I [TS]
02:13:53 ◼ ► now know. On You Tube and would count as friends and associates. It was a great conference that Henry put together. [TS]
02:13:59 ◼ ► And the back story for me on on that which Henry knows very well is that. I was having a really hard time. [TS]
02:14:10 ◼ ► Securing whether or not I was going to be able to go to that conference. Because that was actually happening. [TS]
02:14:31 ◼ ► But you know I had quit my job long ago the way it works in teaching is that you have to resign. [TS]
02:14:35 ◼ ► Months and months and months before you actually leave. So my resignation letter had been in for forever. [TS]
02:14:44 ◼ ► Just refused to have me be able to to take some time off and go to this thing like it was a really really big deal. [TS]
02:14:53 ◼ ► And it came down to this big fight about like I was going to have to break my contract as a teacher to go. [TS]
02:14:59 ◼ ► Because they're like oh you can't just go to this thing there's no the judgment reason for you to go [TS]
02:15:03 ◼ ► and it was a really stressful time in my life and I was trying to make this decision like man if I. [TS]
02:15:09 ◼ ► Well I give I break my contract and go and go to this conference. And then this youtube career doesn't pan out. [TS]
02:15:16 ◼ ► It is going to be really hard to go back into the teaching world when the last job is like oh yeah he just left. [TS]
02:15:22 ◼ ► Irresponsibly at the end and he's a teacher with a broken contract that all eventually got resolved [TS]
02:15:26 ◼ ► but it was just it was only things where I had to make a very difficult decision to go to that conference. [TS]
02:15:33 ◼ ► That was definitely one of of the best decisions that I made was like damn the torpedos [TS]
02:15:51 ◼ ► That was the correct decision to make even though it was a very hard to do that at the time. [TS]
02:16:03 ◼ ► Because of that conference we have this podcast I think it would be much less likely that we would be doing the pod [TS]
02:16:11 ◼ ► Definitely not before I talk about because we were also asked about how the pub Gus started. But before we sort of. [TS]
02:16:17 ◼ ► Fast forward to that in Africa chip. My favorite story from that car yeah. When when it comes to who knew who I did. [TS]
02:16:24 ◼ ► I didn't know anyone I don't know I did know he's a big deal and he's not all and I wasn't into a lot much. [TS]
02:16:29 ◼ ► Grain brother stuff at that point. Although there were like massive but I had figured out who John Graham was. [TS]
02:16:38 ◼ ► Not as big as he is now because of all the movies and stuff that I mean you know he's like a big megastar now [TS]
02:16:42 ◼ ► but he was like a really big deal already then in the cheap land. And my favorite thing was I was. I was at reception. [TS]
02:16:49 ◼ ► And John Graham walked into sort of lot in reception and know when they knew who he was. [TS]
02:16:54 ◼ ► And I walked up to him and said all high Brady and. I think he might have known Yeah hi Brady and. [TS]
02:17:02 ◼ ► And he was I have I am we're having a little chat. And then some other paper at the conference. Came up to us and. [TS]
02:17:09 ◼ ► For ever reason. They were very familiar with me and whom I work. And my work and had no idea who job was. [TS]
02:17:17 ◼ ► And I know that's really an common. But that was just what happened. And they were like. [TS]
02:17:25 ◼ ► I'm even like a little bit star struck up in watching a stuff aside along it's really nice to me and I'm like are. [TS]
02:17:33 ◼ ► Just put their hand out and said you know hi I said they hear you. And he was a. John John Green. [TS]
02:17:41 ◼ ► Oh it's nice to me which I find really funny because you know John such a big deal and [TS]
02:17:52 ◼ ► We're all sitting together and these people who still had a good. Didn't know who he was. [TS]
02:17:57 ◼ ► And a whole bunch of people were going from this conference on to VITC on which is being held to the luck of the next [TS]
02:18:07 ◼ ► They'd sort of turn their asking I said to me are you going to feed con after this and I'm not yeah I am. [TS]
02:18:12 ◼ ► And then they turned to Jordan said. Are you going to feed con. That must to put George in the most orchid position. [TS]
02:18:19 ◼ ► Yes because it. And he sort of. I don't think he knew how to answer. And he said he sort of. He was a total gentleman. [TS]
02:18:26 ◼ ► But I just think he kind of froze about what to say so he just kind of went. Yeah yeah I am actually I own vid card. [TS]
02:18:36 ◼ ► And I gave him such a hard time about that and thought for the rest of the conference. I was always. Hi I'm John Green. [TS]
02:18:42 ◼ ► I own of it kept the minute it came out of his mouth ears are no that did not come it was supposed to come out right [TS]
02:18:48 ◼ ► like I gave my resume West. The rest of the conference about that. That's just national debt rating. Yeah yeah. [TS]
02:18:55 ◼ ► Sorry way. That was that was funny no one knowing who knew what else was and. Anyway. So that was kind of. [TS]
02:19:01 ◼ ► I don't think I was humble breaking down in front of their grandfathers. Brag Cumberland you were just telling a story. [TS]
02:19:06 ◼ ► That's all you were doing. You're just telling a story. There's no there's no humble bragging the Senate or anything. [TS]
02:19:16 ◼ ► For people who asked how the podcast started which we have to ask us to for but. We sort of. [TS]
02:19:31 ◼ ► We would occasionally see each other in London if I if I was coming to London for the day I was sometimes contact you [TS]
02:19:37 ◼ ► and would just go for a drink or something and. Yeah. Very icky Usually though. Because I think. [TS]
02:19:50 ◼ ► And that's I mean like I feel like if we hadn't met at that first conference we wouldn't have been as friendly. [TS]
02:19:56 ◼ ► At those subsequent conferences. And I think that that help things along ago I know this person from this other thing. [TS]
02:20:03 ◼ ► And you feel closer than you would have if you were just me them for the first time. [TS]
02:20:08 ◼ ► Yeah it was a bit like the paper that went to the Waterloo thing will almost like a little subset of that I had that [TS]
02:20:12 ◼ ► extra history it wasn't. Yes exactly. That's exactly right you have a bit of an extra history. [TS]
02:20:24 ◼ ► So what's your perspective on how the podcast started. Well I didn't know a podcast is but I was not podcast listener. [TS]
02:20:32 ◼ ► And. And I didn't know that you particularly into podcast because it was not something we would have talked about. [TS]
02:20:41 ◼ ► and a big devout report costs just not something I knew about you but I was making a video phone number fall. [TS]
02:20:48 ◼ ► And it was all about the different perspectives that Americans have on numbers and sort of the way numbers a said [TS]
02:20:58 ◼ ► And I'd interviewed an American woman about it but the video wasn't quite strong enough [TS]
02:21:18 ◼ ► I had interviewed you before Father video sort of you know. With your face obscured and stuff. Yeah. Just as you know. [TS]
02:21:28 ◼ ► Could I interview just over six you know I have a Skype or on the phone or something or. I'll come to you in London. [TS]
02:21:37 ◼ ► And just talk to me about and then I'd have you animated to say that be like an animated gray. [TS]
02:21:41 ◼ ► So you'd be like the second interview be on the topic. And I thought this was going to be quite a hard sell. [TS]
02:21:46 ◼ ► Because you know your was pretty cautious in Iraq or new things and you were like really up for like straight away. [TS]
02:21:57 ◼ ► I was probably saying join me to come to London for a something and you will know I know I'm going to record at this [TS]
02:22:02 ◼ ► and I'm going to record on my computer while we do the Scott call that you're not really proactive with all the ideas [TS]
02:22:07 ◼ ► of how you do it. Like you will. And usually agreeable and I fish is the rhetoric No Well I well I wasn't. [TS]
02:22:15 ◼ ► Yeah I wasn't suspicious but I was surprised. So I let you know I find you up on Skype and. [TS]
02:22:20 ◼ ► I asked you the questions I wanted to ask you when you chatted about them in your usual way. [TS]
02:22:25 ◼ ► It made for a really nice video I think the video is actually my my have got to million views now some you know it made [TS]
02:22:30 ◼ ► it made for weakness what you do video. You know. Mainly many thanks to you. And. And you did that. [TS]
02:22:42 ◼ ► But subsequent to that at some point you brought up the idea of doing a podcast and I sort of city. [TS]
02:22:52 ◼ ► I'm sure I was a great deal from the start but I did say I don't listen to podcasts very much. So you. [TS]
02:23:00 ◼ ► To listen to you gave me probably a list of five or six but I do remember there were two you said. [TS]
02:23:05 ◼ ► In particular should this interview. And the thing that's funny about that is that the to use. [TS]
02:23:10 ◼ ► You suggested I listen to our member were the accidental tech pod cast with you know Marco I meant Injuns her case [TS]
02:23:20 ◼ ► and the talk show with John Gruber which is again it's another Apollyon this reflects that your quite into Apple a [TS]
02:23:25 ◼ ► stuff. You suggest listening to that as well. And I listen to a few episodes of those. [TS]
02:23:30 ◼ ► And I quite like them and the reason I find that's quite funny is that now at a fifth episode. [TS]
02:23:36 ◼ ► The last two days I actually spent. Visiting. Both Mark I meant from A.T.P. and John Gruber from the no show. [TS]
02:23:47 ◼ ► I've actually spent some time like in person with with two of those paper that I listen to around the start to kind of [TS]
02:23:53 ◼ ► get an idea of what a podcast is and how can where can and things that listen to a few of them [TS]
02:23:58 ◼ ► and we talked more rest is history isn't it. I just pulled up because I want to check the dates. [TS]
02:24:03 ◼ ► I pulled up the video that we did and the video that you have renamed now. British numbers. Confuse Americans. [TS]
02:24:21 ◼ ► The first episode of hello internet went up on January thirty first twenty fourteen. So about half a year later. [TS]
02:24:38 ◼ ► I might want to do it even before my youtube career started like I always listen to a lot of audio my whole life. [TS]
02:24:45 ◼ ► And I thought oh maybe a podcast is something that I could do. But it's a thing that you can just can't do it alone. [TS]
02:24:52 ◼ ► The kind of thing that I thought maybe I could do it requires someone else to work with the like it's a team effort it [TS]
02:25:08 ◼ ► When I had been doing You Tube for a little while I was much more seriously thinking about OK I do need another side [TS]
02:25:14 ◼ ► project here. I want to have something else to work on in the afternoons when I'm not very productive but you to work. [TS]
02:25:21 ◼ ► And so I was getting more serious about the podcast I was trying to think about who who would make a good host. [TS]
02:25:32 ◼ ► but it just seemed very natural to me that you would be the person that I would try to do this with even though I [TS]
02:25:37 ◼ ► couldn't. Clearly think of any reasons except for. You are a very good interviewer and. I am not very good at talking. [TS]
02:25:45 ◼ ► So it seems like if I'm going to work with someone I have to have someone who can help the conversation. [TS]
02:25:51 ◼ ► Go along and to listeners don't know about I have to edit myself to make myself sound WAY less awkward [TS]
02:26:01 ◼ ► I have to give you a lot of credit Brady like you do a lot of heavy lifting of keeping the show going [TS]
02:26:05 ◼ ► and I really do appreciate that. That is very kind of you but is also a gross exaggeration and. [TS]
02:26:12 ◼ ► I will say that great as an edit at that he doesn't add himself out. In that way. And he actually does. [TS]
02:26:19 ◼ ► What you hear in the final show is quite a quite accurate depiction of a conversation. [TS]
02:26:23 ◼ ► I make I make it much less awkward. The thing you about is asking me questions. Yeah. [TS]
02:26:29 ◼ ► You know you're getting better that. It's awful it's all I really do I. We've talk. About it in private. [TS]
02:26:36 ◼ ► I try so hard to get better at this but I am just so bad at it I just this is never been a skill of mine. [TS]
02:26:45 ◼ ► When you asked about the me doing this video I saw it as the perfect opportunity to test a podcast with the exact [TS]
02:26:53 ◼ ► person that I thought a podcast would work great for as that that's all I was like oh yeah let's do this no no no I [TS]
02:26:59 ◼ ► don't want to do it in person I think Blissett Lee don't want to do with a person we're going to do it over Skype. [TS]
02:27:04 ◼ ► And then over the next few months there we started talking more seriously about doing it [TS]
02:27:07 ◼ ► and recording the few episodes in advance and then whatever was half a year later it finally went out live. [TS]
02:27:17 ◼ ► I think a more important question that we've been asked by a few the papal one is. Would you rather thought. [TS]
02:27:26 ◼ ► One hundred Jamaican Ross rest sauced reunion swamp hands or one reunion swamp incised Jamaican Ross rat. [TS]
02:27:40 ◼ ► That was some talk about it rugged are some people were like would you rather five hundred reunion swap hands us to [TS]
02:27:44 ◼ ► make and Ross rats or one Jamaican restaurants Austrian swamp and I mean that's a no brainer obviously. [TS]
02:27:49 ◼ ► But what are your thoughts on that. Hundred hundred bra straps us what pence or once one pen. Russia. Maybe one. One. [TS]
02:28:00 ◼ ► Rice hen. I'd fight one right hand is what I would do you this is no. This is the plenty of get it to work. [TS]
02:28:11 ◼ ► And when you said Oh if people got it wrong the other way. How was that different from the first one. [TS]
02:28:16 ◼ ► I think these creatures must be roughly the same size I mean we're not talking about a horse size duck [TS]
02:28:22 ◼ ► No it's not that extreme but they're not that similar sized minaret a swamp in is a is a big bird. [TS]
02:28:28 ◼ ► I mean but how big big like a turkey. Were big like a duck. Dig like a turkey. Like a turkey. [TS]
02:28:34 ◼ ► Yeah there's a lot bigger than a turkey I'd say small but smaller than what you would Cohen E.-MU. [TS]
02:28:39 ◼ ► And I would call an Amy. The move. Me on your pronunciation of a me. So the Rue and Amy. [TS]
02:28:47 ◼ ► OK So the question is it's a rat the size of a turkey or a hundred turkeys the size of a rat. Not. Yeah yeah. [TS]
02:28:58 ◼ ► Turkey is relatively big. Yes Gerad a rat the size of a turkey. Sounds a little intimidating. [TS]
02:29:09 ◼ ► But I could thank those bakes like a baked in the hundred of them. I think this is not an easy question. [TS]
02:29:18 ◼ ► It's maybe worthy of further consideration not I think it's a sort of question you can. [TS]
02:29:23 ◼ ► You can just rush into it's like voting in the hello internet flag referendum this needs consideration. [TS]
02:29:29 ◼ ► Because the killing a hundred of anything is a lot. And they do and they would have their little beaks. [TS]
02:29:48 ◼ ► But I think there's a bigger downside though with a rat the size of a turkey leg I think that thing could actually kill [TS]
02:29:53 ◼ ► you. Yeah where you can just kick away little things I always like to think just like keeps keep kicking them and. [TS]
02:29:59 ◼ ► Yeah but like with a hundred of anything is a lot like if a hundred HODLER is rushed you you can kick them all away. [TS]
02:30:06 ◼ ► Like no matter how small and useless they are you can't kick well away. Well I'm not going to discuss. [TS]
02:30:10 ◼ ► If I would kick a hundred toddlers. If they're attacking or I'm right. OK thing. Yeah. Anyway. [TS]
02:30:20 ◼ ► Maybe we need to scuff that fair. The. That's a topic for another show. I think I read it's not a discuss this. [TS]
02:30:24 ◼ ► I think they're ready to have a big conversation about the strategic advantages and disadvantages of both he go next. [TS]
02:30:37 ◼ ► Do you know about myers briggs prating Yeah kind of do I think my mom go into them at some stage when I was young [TS]
02:30:43 ◼ ► Yes you have any idea what your Meyers break personnel and they are the ones that are like code like j entities [TS]
02:30:48 ◼ ► and yeah yeah that's the that's the thing. I'd tonight. I did it when I was like a boy. Right. [TS]
02:30:55 ◼ ► when my mom was into all that sort of stuff I think she got me to take one on the what do you rate it mom. [TS]
02:31:10 ◼ ► There is almost certainly not a teenager on the face of the earth who hasn't at some point. Done. [TS]
02:31:15 ◼ ► The Myers Briggs personality type tests that examined various qualities. Around the Internet. [TS]
02:31:23 ◼ ► My feeling on Myers Briggs personality types. Is that this is astrology. For smart people like this is just like. [TS]
02:31:31 ◼ ► It's the same kind of thing that there are these broad categories that everybody just can read something into and. [TS]
02:31:39 ◼ ► I mean astrology is just obviously bunk. And lots of people still get sucked into it. [TS]
02:31:47 ◼ ► But astrology Oh no I would never get into THAT WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU DO THIS IS THE SAME THING. [TS]
02:31:52 ◼ ► That's that's what that's what this Myers Briggs stuff strikes me as just broad descriptions that everybody is going to [TS]
02:32:05 ◼ ► but we were asked a lot of especially for this anniversary. Episode is about the issue of guests on the podcast. Yeah. [TS]
02:32:14 ◼ ► People look at you should have because obviously you know we've got some interesting friends who we talk about all the [TS]
02:32:25 ◼ ► It's not something we really discuss we at the very start we discussed that it was an option. [TS]
02:32:29 ◼ ► You know there's no there's no banner. We've never said we wouldn't. But it's something we've never done. [TS]
02:32:35 ◼ ► We don't we talk about it much harder than you need thought so that you would share with great. [TS]
02:32:43 ◼ ► No no no no I mean I think I think the most important thing about this is we've got a policy on nothing because rights [TS]
02:32:49 ◼ ► were guys who are changing our minds but the thing I think about is be careful what you wish for. [TS]
02:32:55 ◼ ► And I've never quite understood why people want so much because my attitude to that is like. I really like ice cream. [TS]
02:33:11 ◼ ► And I think there's an ornament I think it's almost become like a culture of a shaming if you like one thing. [TS]
02:33:23 ◼ ► and I would be really disappointed if I chew need one down there was someone you want to because I've kind of bow [TS]
02:33:27 ◼ ► and pour into one thing so I don't know what it would be like if we had a guest and. We may find out. [TS]
02:33:37 ◼ ► I'm surprised that people think it's such a such a big deal and I think it's. And I think. [TS]
02:33:42 ◼ ► I think we've partly created the culture in the You Tube world especially by doing the collabs all the time. [TS]
02:33:47 ◼ ► Yeah it was like there's almost like this expectation that like oh if I like this person. [TS]
02:33:53 ◼ ► And I like this person and I do a video together. That's the most of all something you could ever imagine. Right. [TS]
02:33:58 ◼ ► I I don't completely buy into that. I like I caught. I think it's perfectly nice to have. And I would also say. [TS]
02:34:06 ◼ ► Among among a couple of the paper that people say oh you should always get them on the show. [TS]
02:34:13 ◼ ► Don't ever get me on your show like that would you shouldn't do that that would be crazy. So anyway. [TS]
02:34:20 ◼ ► What do you have anything to add to that I think was asked enough times to be worth answering. [TS]
02:34:26 ◼ ► And it kind of ties into another question that I saw some people ask which is what do we think of this show now versus. [TS]
02:34:35 ◼ ► When it started in exhibit you go back and you listen to those first few episodes. [TS]
02:34:45 ◼ ► And they were much more focused on a on a topic. Yeah. And now the show is a very different thing. [TS]
02:34:54 ◼ ► And my feeling was always that those first few shows were never what I thought the show would eventually be. [TS]
02:35:01 ◼ ► I thought that if. If it was going to succeed. What it is now is exactly what it would be. [TS]
02:35:21 ◼ ► and I view those first few episodes as what we have to do something or we have to start with topics. [TS]
02:35:27 ◼ ► And you know it has to be cut in this particular way. But the there are almost aberrations. These first few episodes. [TS]
02:35:39 ◼ ► and as the show goes on you do you build up this whole world of of in jokes and past references. [TS]
02:35:48 ◼ ► And that to me as a person who listens to a lot of pod casts is one of the very special things about what a pod cast [TS]
02:35:58 ◼ ► can deliver this conversation that continually flows and continually builds on itself. And. My view one on guests. [TS]
02:36:10 ◼ ► Is Like you I'm not ever going to rule out something. I'm not going to say oh no will never do this. Ever. [TS]
02:36:18 ◼ ► But I I just think that this show is so much. The two of us. That changing. Who is on the show or adding people. [TS]
02:36:26 ◼ ► Even if those people are great. It just fundamentally changes this feeling from the listener's perspective of. [TS]
02:36:39 ◼ ► and they just happen to be a mute partner in this like that is the feeling that I often have [TS]
02:36:48 ◼ ► And I'm listening to them talk about interesting things and I just happen to not be contributing in the conversation. [TS]
02:36:59 ◼ ► When shows chains like sometimes shows will bring on a guest every once in a while or they'll change host or whatever. [TS]
02:37:10 ◼ ► Even if they're bringing on someone who's interesting or who I like in a different context. So I would be. [TS]
02:37:23 ◼ ► That changes what the show is and it's very different from what the show is providing for people if it. [TS]
02:37:37 ◼ ► or something that someone someone said something that did to committee. They were trying to describe. [TS]
02:37:42 ◼ ► To a friend who had no internet was. And the way they described their friend was. It's two guys on a pod cast. [TS]