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00:00:21 ◼ ► what we're going to do a crazy guys when the idea of this project first came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► one of the things that attracted me to it was the very notion of releasing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/25">TS</a>]
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00:00:43 ◼ ► one I am quite giddy so should I tell the people what we're doing yet this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► this is this is a one topic show this one isn't this is like this year we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► here for one thing and one thing only here for one thing and that is a flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/52">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► referendum yet our flag referendum for the hello Internet podcast the hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► Internet flag referendum this is is it a referendum greg is in a referendum about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/65">TS</a>]
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00:01:18 ◼ ► how it's done after weeks and weeks if not months of commenting on the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► Zealand flag referendum we're putting our money where our mouth is and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/83">TS</a>]
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00:01:32 ◼ ► hand show New Zealand how it's done and hold the flag referendum for our podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/92">TS</a>]
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00:02:03 ◼ ► is like there's no there's no brady going off on his own and just doing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/123">TS</a>]
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00:02:39 ◼ ► wouldn't count on having a short show the thing I think I would love to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/159">TS</a>]
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00:02:57 ◼ ► crazy crazy so to catch people up on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/177">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► several episodes back back in the early thirties about episodes we called for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/183">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► people to submit hello Internet flag designs and so what we have done finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/190">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► as we approach our 50th episode is sort through all of the submitted flags and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/198">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► we have kicked out five designs for possible flags for the show this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/205">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► a short list basically we learned the lesson that what we're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► is create a long list to show everybody to have them talk about stuff and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► arbitrarily pick a short list that's not the way to do it we're skipping straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► to the shortlist of five flags for people to vote on to help select our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/228">TS</a>]
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00:04:02 ◼ ► the committee as we call them right released their shortlist that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/242">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► stuck into them and said you had one job it was pretty easy put together a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/247">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► short list and let us have a vote and we said they mustered up and now we're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► we're putting out a short list and if people don't like a shortlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/256">TS</a>]
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00:04:34 ◼ ► Zealand committee though because you suddenly start second-guessing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/274">TS</a>]
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00:04:44 ◼ ► start thinking quite tactically and if we give them this option is there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► danger they might do this and you do sort of even though it's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/287">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► sort of semi democratic you do start kind of manipulated with you shortly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/291">TS</a>]
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00:05:04 ◼ ► up vote down on the flags in that thread we would have gotten one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► horrible comic sans blue flags with the hello Internet logo that looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/307">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► state flag that's what people would do if you just let them if you just let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► them run crazy so when the shortlisting process one of our criteria was it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► to be a flag that if it wins we would be fine with this as the hello Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► flag you can't run the risk of putting in a joke flag because guaranteed that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► what everybody gets attracted to is the joke option so we were basically trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► to stop the rebel rose as before they browse some rebel exactly there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/336">TS</a>]
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00:05:44 ◼ ► this is flags now before we get to the short list and that's obviously going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/344">TS</a>]
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00:05:58 ◼ ► minimize rabble-rousing is the voting process itself this is this is quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/358">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► we have had many conversations about how do you try to hold an election on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/365">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► internet just as two guys that we don't have voting machines or anything for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/371">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► people to use and we went back and forth about precisely what to do do we set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/377">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► an online poll do we have a reddit thread they were very very many options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► but what we have settled on as think the best choice for this and also to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/388">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► honest the most fun choice is we are going to have people physically send us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► postcards as the ballots for the flags us a post-election it is a post-election [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/401">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► yes even though I mightily complain about votes that have to be done by post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► or in person and why can't they be done on my iPhone I have not going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/413">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► this election on an iPhone we're going to do it with postcards it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► election at the post and I can I just point out by the way that you with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► main advocate of this wasn't this wasn't old school Brady sort of convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► growing technology you mister you know when will everyone get with the PA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► system and get with the program and have electronic voting you were Mr no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► wanted to outscore I want postcards I want snail mail oh yeah yeah a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► times in in the setup process for this I felt like we were arguing what should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► have been the stereotypical other person's position but I totally admit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/450">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► like the idea of the postal vote and I feel I feel charmed at the notion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► people going out and selecting a postcard to use as their ballot I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/462">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► this idea I feel that it's it's a romantic idea most I feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/467">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► I'm just in a really good mood because of the flags okay so we're gonna talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/479">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► what was your main reason for choosing a post-election was at the charm of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/486">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► preventing voter fraud see I don't know if we should even discussed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► possibility of voter fraud but she has already this is already tipping over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/497">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► into rebel rousing territory but my feeling was it is very very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/504">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► again just as to normal dudes who don't say have officially issued idea to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► of our listeners are anything like this it's very hard to coordinate an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► poll that has any kind of meaning and as someone who spends a lot of time on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► internet there is a sizable contingent of people who delight in nothing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/527">TS</a>]
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00:09:01 ◼ ► was revving up when you buy the S III thoughts we're not going to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/541">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► hold a secure online election not even not even close so I won't even try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► so I figure that the postcard is just enough friction that people who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/556">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► mess around with the vote you know what if you're going to try to send us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► thousand postcards it's a lot more work than trying to just fake vote thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► times on a website so this is a vote fraud minimization technique in addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/570">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► to a totally charming technique I know I really I'm really excited by where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/576">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► postcards gonna come from and what pictures people are going to choose as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► the sort of the face of their postcard I mean that's irrelevant to the election [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/584">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► but that's going to be really fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/588">TS</a>]
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00:09:56 ◼ ► going to get together in person to actually count up all of the balance now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► gray everyone knows how much you love elections and how interested you are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► voting theory and things like that I do love a good election to finally holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► one everyone's gonna wanna know what voting method did mister voting method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/611">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► choose well actually decided that we should probably just use first past the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/618">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► post for this election because it's the simplest everyone can understand first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/625">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► people just pick your favorite and that's that's all you need to do is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► one simple thing that's it no of course not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/636">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► of course not we're doing doing first past the post is not a chance to enforce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► it is the worst himself for so many reasons I will put a million links in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► the show notes as to why first past the post is awful but know they were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► were two options there were two options that are the only reasonable options one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► of which is approval voting and the other one is an instant runoff voting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► and I debated its I was judging the merits of simplicity in voting vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/667">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► versus the ability to rank in to order preference as opposed to just expressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/675">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► preference in the end I decided that we're going to do an instance runoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/680">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► vote or as people in the UK will be familiar with it the Alternative Vote so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/686">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► what people are going to do when they vote is they will be able to rank their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/691">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► favorite flag to their least favorite flag on the ballot that they send in ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► so there are gonna be five flags and a chance got a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/703">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and we'll be revealing though so so when people go to the back of their postcard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/709">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► and and rank these will talk more about that soon do they have to write five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► names or to the right to the right one name how many names to their out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► are you asking them to do so this is the beauty of a well-run Alternative Vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► unlike some countries that we could mention that require you to write down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► absolutely everything we're going to do it the right way if there's only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► flag that you like you can just write down number one and that flag name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► that's it you're done you don't have to do anything else if there are three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► flags that you like you can write down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► number one the flag name then on the next line number to the flag named next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/752">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► line 32 flag name and then you can stop when you don't care anymore you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/758">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► have to keep cranking them if you are some kind of completion is nerd you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/764">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► indeed write down the names of all five flags in the order that you like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and then you can feel as though you have reached the completion achievement if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/774">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► you want to do that that's perfectly fine of course the real nerds will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/781">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► recognize that you only need to write down 42 expressed complete preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► but I'll leave that up to the listener about what they want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► bottom line you rank as many as you like you don't have to rank all of them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► we do want on the postcard and we're going to reiterate it later and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► also going to be a link to instructions that you're going to need to take a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/802">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► at it's going to be one flag name on a line so that it is easy for us to count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/805">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► the right number one and then the flag name and then think about it as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/813">TS</a>]
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00:26:56 ◼ ► cool like 05 I'd be really happy that one it's it's got a lot of really useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► really useful design what are your thoughts on yeah it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► it's an interesting flag to me something about it captures the feeling of hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► internet there's something about the way that it is drawn that is friendly is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► way I would describe it but you are also right in that it is almost logo like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► almost crashed like and of the options that I am looking at before me right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► because I have all five on my screen at this moment it is probably one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► two least flag looking like flags at a glance might be the way that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► think about it so I think it is it is an interesting is interesting choice as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► goes without saying all of these flags we like and all of these flags we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► be happy to have as our hello Internet flag we're just discussing the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► that make the flags unique or that capture our attention about these flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► ready for another one another and randomly choosing the next one we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► going to speak about is white cross white cross and this was when we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► quite a bit of debate about what to name as well but we seem to have settled on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► white cross cuz I just said and that's how we actually had 100% settled on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► the name should be but you just ran with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► yeah and there's no fixing that an editing now and what cross was my choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► so I have abused my position as a mile below their fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► with great power comes great responsibility that you're happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► abuse and that's what is white cross well do you want to describe it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► we even have a disagreement about how it should be described white cross is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► black flag is very simple just plain black and then it has a white design in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► the middle and that what design could be best described as a cross obviously but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► both sticks of the cross for lack of a better term have sort of seraphs on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► end they look like to capitalize crossed over each other but of course a capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► I turned on its side does bear a striking similarity to the letter H so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► think one could easily see an H if that was the way they would chose choosing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► look at the flag but it's not obvious it's not an obvious hii it would only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► say hii to someone I think he was looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► otherwise you just think it was sort of an old fashioned I cross it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► the most old-fashioned of the designs we have oh yeah without a doubt it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► to miss the age I it does look like a much more old-fashioned d symbol and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► creator of this design muscled pancakes explicitly said that it is designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► be Herald directly informed periodically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► character from the field of heraldry from the field of heraldry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► it'll just be competent and don't apologize for my mouth was not even able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► to make sounds good approximate what this word would be stumbled upon it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► from the from the field of help heraldry is exactly right that that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► looks like I almost like you could see this design on a night shield who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► about to do some jousting it would not look out of place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► definitely definitely yeah it's very it's the sort of Game of Thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► what's the risk of womanhood pancake said that they read some more that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► muscle tank acts like their big words don't know it a base the laws of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► tincture and maybe blaze and for any English learners out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► sable across potent elongated fest wires argent well done they're pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► done thank you I'm sure the players in the field of heraldry will know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► what this means I won't even have to look at the show notes they will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► immediately have the image appear in their mind so I mean this obviously is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► little bit New Zealand 80 cuz its black with a white image so in keeping with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► the times it is in keeping with the times but as always you can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► current events when selecting a flag that may last far far into the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► far beyond either of us Brady but I think that this is a flag design that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► can definitely stand the test of time and it I think it's also an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► choice because in some ways it is one of the least hello internet looking flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► because of the black color and because of the cross in the center but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► the subtleties of thi and I think in a flag referendum like this it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► definitely good to have a choice that is more different from the other flags yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► it's interesting in that it doesn't use great as well I wonder will help or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► hinder yeah that's what makes it stand out is that is it does not have a gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► background I mean I can imagine the New Zealand committee would have given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► people two options with this a black one and a great one definitely a black one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► definitely a great one without a doubt that would be in there by the way if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► send in your vote and say I vote for white cross but I want to have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► background that is and now vote your vote yes you have spoiled your ballot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► yet say it's the black background or nothing that's what you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► people like a right do you want to pick another flag for speeding I'm loving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► this I'm loving this pulling pulling these models as my favorite I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► next is this is one that great and I have decided to co leggy flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► I'm not gonna lie flag flag as far as names go is my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► just think it's funny because something you fly a flag as listener might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► imagining flag flag is the flag that most looks like a flag no one would ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► look at this and think Oh what is that thing everyone would know that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► flag now it is a bit of a variant on a traditional tricolor flag but here here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► is what the designer has done trick allure of you on a sounder posh tickler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► is that some people say oh wait a min you just sayin tri-color in a fancy way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► now I don't accept that now I don't know I don't accept that I'm hard as nails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► and push you hard as nails and you're very posh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► Bipasha some pushes a nice cushion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► look at how does niacin pushes cushions and I hope that one follows you around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► anyone who knows me knows I'm not push all rights the tricolour flag designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► if we're thinking of dividing the flag vertically in half the right half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► that flag is the traditional hello internet great color now the left half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► has been vertically divided into again so that there is a black vertical stripe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► and a white vertical stripe that are taking up the other 50% of the flag so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► sad that right away I find most tricolor flags just deathly boring but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► the little bit of asymmetry here with the vertical tri-color this helps this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► whereas it was a regular tri-color I would just fall asleep simply looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► it so I think there's this little design element really helps and where this flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► comes from is that the designer is basing this off of the line from hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► Internet episode 38 where you finish the show by saying that i speaking is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► brady and a black-and-white kind of guy and you my friend are gray so that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► the design for this flag say the left hand side the black and white side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► his may remember the right hand side which is all gray his grave another way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► to describe this would be just to say as we go from left to right the first 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► the second 25% is white and the final 50 percent is great that is not the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► would have described it and it's no I know it's not you chose a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► convoluted way described you went from right to left and then you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► splitting things into it you would do it also the rubbish I was just doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► series of two bisexual but I I like this I like this flag simply because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► sort it sort of the the two of us but also I think almost everything that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► discuss in this show sometimes one of us is wishy washy and isn't going with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► something and sometimes the other person has a very harsh opinion that they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► not be budged on so I think there is definitely something hello internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► about this flag and this design even if it is the most flag of the flags also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► the the white vertical stripe which is sort of going down the middle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► obviously is a bit off-center does look likely I internet so it also it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► sort of looks a little bit like a logo and branding as well so has actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► definitely does next time let's let's pick the fourth of the five sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► effects and affects their guys next we are talking about this one is code hii [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► logo in many ways this is the news the existing New Zealand flag of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► referendum it's the one you would have expected established look it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► what we are already it's the incumbent if we did have a flag here's how you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► take a look at your podcast player right now and look at our logo and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► imagine that logo just on a slightly larger field of gravy turns it into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► rectangle yeah the established logo flag and you're right it is the Contender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► that everybody already knows it is our logo on a gray background yes I say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► square of a logo is made a bit smaller so it nestles a bit more nicely inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► the gray of the rectangular flag thought I mean obviously you like it cuz we used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► your the designer of this I you know I never I never once you and everyone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► bias and election but yes I am the designer of the hello Internet logo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► I spent a number of hours that I never want to describe trying to get all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► little dots to match up in a way that I found a statically pleasing that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► matches up with the H in the eye in a way that nobody ever notices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► comments on it but I know is there and so I appreciate that but yes without a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► doubt I would say that this is this is the New Zealand flag of our referendum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► is interesting and an early draft of this when we were gonna flag guys put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► into this referendum you initially had the HRI in the middle of a great leg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► sort of the dots around the edge of the flag and also said you know it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► to be the square and put a centralized it oh yeah this is this is another case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► of where we we had even in the flag selections we had very many things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► we were messing around with the other problem that I ran into with flag izing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► the hello Internet logo is of course there is an extraordinarily subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► gradient on our actual actual logo and gradients are just verboten on a flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► you cannot have a gradient on a flag if we were say ever to print the flags you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► cannot possibly try to print something with a gradient so I had to spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► little while trying to pick the exact right color of grades you be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► yeah there's a lot involved in this referendum people I know it I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► sounds because we're so professional and just so smooth like this is just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► Justin no easy fast work for the two of us everything's going along smooth but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► there was there was much discussion behind the scenes about this stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► the final leg I will I would draw the bow for the sake of completeness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► sound effects of course you well it can only be one the final one we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► talk about has been given the name Nile and Kia mail and hear this one has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► one has an interesting history because it first appeared on the radar with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► color scheme and then evolved to another color scheme which is the color scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► it now has in a referendum it is a great flag surprise surprise it has a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► surprise surprise but the design in the middle of this is very reminiscent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► kind of sort of communist hammer and sickle in some ways at first glance but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► what it is in fact is the the coke or beer made famous by CGP grey zone logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► that he uses in his own videos and and branding with the flask test you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► removed and in place of the test tube is a stylized no presumably representing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► hardness yeah Brady washes cushions yes the couple of times I said how does now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVIPl3g/2478">TS</a>]
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