0:00:00Hello can you hear me.
0:00:01Brady to who try to lead you to him he can you hear me kinda him you can only hear me was committing me can you hear me
0:00:07can you hear me can you really CAN YOU him I can hear you can you hear me.
0:00:12Kenya him me here you have the can you hear me I can hear I hear me say I can see you sing in harmony.
0:00:18Yes hello hello hello hello hello hello hello.
0:00:29Goodness I would like to open the pod cast by lodging a formal complaint against Starbucks in the United Kingdom.
0:00:39Wow formal complaint one of the things that I like about America is just this feeling of everything is convenient.
0:00:47From big ways we have a gigantic Wal-Mart that contains everything that you could ever possibly want.
0:00:53Plus other stories that you may need to use while you're in Walmart like a bank
0:00:58or haircutters from the biggest thing America is very convenient to the smallest little details.
0:01:05America is very convenient and one of those little details is when you order coffee in Starbucks in the U.S.
0:01:13They have for you to use these little sticks that you can put in your coffee lid to block the place where the coffee
0:01:22pours out of I don't know the name for these things do you know you have laughing they do you have any idea what I'm
0:01:27talking about my fat person assistant sticks you know they're not fat person assistance sticks you know there's a hole
0:01:34where the coffee pours out of it's a little it's a little block
0:01:37or like a like a tiny cork that you can put on I know what I mean it's
0:01:40but it's just like it's just a many many toes the fat people of America have to help them continue in their becoming
0:01:46fat How is this related to becoming fat this is just convenient and so
0:01:51when you get a coffee you can put the little stick in it and it prevents coffee from spilling out on your hand
0:01:56when you walk to the car when you walk somewhere else while you want to. All the cup of coffee. Totally reasonable.
0:02:02So basically it's assisting paper that even when you're walking
0:02:04and moving you can still have something incredibly Keller ific in your hand
0:02:08or just coffee regular coffee is not super Keller effect fairness he do with the Frappuccino is what they do there is
0:02:14they give you the extra wide straws for this you kids get up faster.
0:02:19Right that is much more that person assistance technology that exists in America and is necessary
0:02:26when I don't know in theory one might buy several Java Chip property knows
0:02:31and you want to make sure that you can get all of the big chunks of the bottom nice and easily
0:02:35and they don't get stuck in this drop that fat person this is the technology.
0:02:39Although if you have to why destroy diameter when you do get towards the end does get harder to pull stuff up.
0:02:44Yeah you almost need a second fins draw to sort of hoover up that last bit that's when you just poured in your face.
0:02:52Getting back on track here I'm talking about I can drink corks that's what I'm going to call it it's a drink
0:02:57or it also doubles as a little stir for your cause I want to call them hot stuff as that's about a nine hot stopper hot
0:03:03stuff all right I'll give you that stop or I'll let the pilot that passed.
0:03:08Thank you so the Hans toppers You can also use them to store your drink very can be
0:03:13but it drives me crazy that here in the U.K. The exact same company Starbucks doesn't have these things.
0:03:22If you get a coffee in the U.K.
0:03:25They don't have any hot stopper has for you to use yet they're just unavailable
0:03:30and the thing that really bugs me about this is that Starbucks unlike McDonalds is not a chain Starbucks actually owns
0:03:39all of the locations like they are a single unified corporate entity that is in charge of all of these Starbucks
0:03:45locations they don't care they don't change it out there's no franchises there shouldn't be any local variation.
0:03:51Why why are there no hot stoppers here why do I have to suffer little tiny bits of of boiling hot coffee coming out of
0:04:00the lid of the Starbucks coffee here and on to my hand
0:04:04when I want to walk from the Starbucks to my office this is happened multiple times
0:04:09and it makes me curse Starbucks in the U.K.
0:04:11and Somehow it also just feels very typical of all of England I love England very much
0:04:18but it does feel like English people sometimes enjoy the minor inconveniences of life that they would feel that life
0:04:24was diminished if they didn't have trivial things to constantly complain about
0:04:29and I feel like is this the reason that Starbucks doesn't have the hot stoppers because English people would actually
0:04:34complain that I go with a hot stoppers Well what am I going to do well if I don't get to complain about drops of coffee
0:04:42on my white shirt or on my hands up in as a reason
0:04:44but I think it's your reason I appreciate the I appreciate the humor of your observation about the crumbling of the
0:04:51British people and I do you compare it with your observation
0:04:54but seriously there probably is a reason this probably some eighty men died or something to do with choking hazards
0:05:01or something to do with litter and recycling I bet there's a reason I bet there's a stupid law.
0:05:07I wanted to know the reason.
0:05:09So badly that I actually spoke to some of the people at one of my local Starbucks has just just recently where our You.
0:05:18must really want to know if you spoke to see someone of the staff X. I went in and I said the guy said hey.
0:05:27You don't happen to have any of these little sticks that you put in the lid to stop coffee from spilling over in the
0:05:32back do you like your are they there are they are they in a box and you just don't know to put them out front
0:05:37or something like I I actually he was willing to overcome my great social resistance and speak to a person
0:05:46and try to find out the answer to this
0:05:48and the worst thing was the guy said to me No there aren't any me completely agreed with me
0:05:53and he said he went to some Starbucks manager training in America and saw these things
0:05:57and thought that they were absolutely amazing
0:05:59and he has been trying to get them in his own local Starbucks no luck thus far so I don't know the reason
0:06:07but there's gotta be something has got to be something have you now for just like a sort of special connection with
0:06:11that guy that means you can no longer go to that statics again I will not go into that Starbucks for quite a while
0:06:17until he forgets the trick it's about the guy who wanted to know about the hot stoppers that's the price one pays for
0:06:24trying to find out the answer to a question I can say well if you go I'm really impressed by how quickly you have
0:06:29adopted the post office
0:06:30or we need something I can keep saying the stick that you make the coffee with it also prevents an offer from spilling
0:06:35on your hand or that's a terrible name for a product. I.K.
0:06:40There we go I say shall we start real follow up we just aren't real follow up I think the feedback in the number of
0:06:49comments we had about tipping was high. Yes is a fair observation yes it was very high.
0:06:56Yes you have anything that you want to mention about the feedback on tipping she know what I would say no.
0:07:02It became so overwhelming if safe to being something that I felt like I could fade back on it was just I kind of just
0:07:10got swamped by the avalanche of comments and advice and experts and and and rules
0:07:19and to the point where I'm just like whatever this perfectly plays into what was my main point about the feedback on
0:07:26tipping the overwhelming sentiment was hey you guys you're just way over thinking it.
0:07:33Tipping is really simple
0:07:35and then the person outlays how they tip under what their senses which then everything really prescriptive Rose write
0:07:42fiction very bright with this group of employees yes those group of employees know this group it's twelve
0:07:47and a third percent right that a group with nineteen point two five percent but only if it's Wednesday
0:07:53and then the commenter was always acting as though like we are the idiots who just don't understand these rules
0:07:58but the best part about being on the receiving end of this kind of follow up is that you see everybody's drastically
0:08:07different opinions but everybody thinks it's very obvious right everybody's coming at it from this.
0:08:13Oh well you just do this.
0:08:14Everybody know that why why do you find this confusing even though you're hearing from a hundred people a day who have
0:08:20different opinions about what the correct procedure for tipping is
0:08:25and I was trying to I was trying to think like a comparison to this the only thing I could think to compare it to is
0:08:32sometimes like the rules of of grammar people will argue over like that away too. Make a sentence.
0:08:39Grammatical or what what a sentence or how a sentence should be structured
0:08:43and everybody just think that the grammar rules that they learned from Mrs to or will be in the fourth grade.
0:08:49Everybody knows those are the universal grammar rules that we use in England
0:08:53but the English is horribly messy language
0:08:56and you don't have necessarily super consistent grammar rules everywhere so it's reasonable to be confused about what
0:09:03is the true state of this because there is no true state of it there is no better example of that from A
0:09:08and I don't want to start a whole talk about this now
0:09:10but there's no better example of what you just said to me than the Oxford comma.
0:09:15Oh yeah there's a holy war waiting to happen and I have I'm on the office Assad to on that one
0:09:21and I have absolutely no justification for other than just what I was taught to do
0:09:27and the other way seems wrong to me
0:09:29and I can hear the arguments of the other side of that makes absolute perfect sense to me
0:09:33and I say yeah you brought everything you say is logic logical Yeah that comma should go there
0:09:37and you know I just refused to do it because it's just not it's just I think it's wrong
0:09:42and I have no explanation other than it's just that's my room I was taught no Oxford comma in school as a kid was
0:09:49really nailed into us as an adult I have broken free the shackles placed upon me by my education
0:09:57and I will use the Oxford comma but you're never completely free of the shackles in your mind because you know even
0:10:03when I write out the Oxford comma I have to do it somewhat intentionally and it will still look weird to me
0:10:10but I think is the is the wave is the way of the future we have to live we have to go with this.
0:10:15Oxford comma
0:10:16but I can completely understand your side of this of just like it just feels wrong even though it doesn't make any
0:10:21sense.
0:10:22It's like someone has a really religious upbringing
0:10:25and then decides to become an atheist I still think even that person if they are
0:10:29and I think for the rest of their life every time they declare their I.C.'s I'm They probably think sorry about that
0:10:34god is just the way I think I'm sorry but how do the gets me.
0:10:38I just don't believe it I am sure you will receive no feedback on that remark for Haiti.
0:10:44So ever I think the Oxford cover of paper mournful and in the how I see isn't things.
0:10:50Yeah without it without a doubt Oxford comma will be more of a religious war than actual religion to other minor points
0:10:56that I just want to have on our tipping discussion for follow up.
0:10:59One of which was many many people were telling me what I already knew which is that in the United States the way the
0:11:06law is supposed to work with waiters
0:11:08and waitresses is that if they don't earn enough from tips during their shift to have earned minimum wage their
0:11:18employer is supposed to cover the difference.
0:11:20Yeah he's very aware of this
0:11:22but I have also spoken to people who actually work in that industry who unsurprisingly report that that just basically
0:11:30doesn't happen that if you're if you're stiffed on tips or you're working a bad shift
0:11:35and you're your salary doesn't equal what minimum wage is opposed to be you're not going to get that money out of the
0:11:41employer is never going to happen
0:11:44and what are you going to do like this is one of these situations are going to start trying to sue your employer for
0:11:49the money back like you're going to spend many years on a class action lawsuit like is not going to happen which is
0:11:55precisely why restaurant owners feel that they can stiff waiters
0:12:00and waitresses out of what should be minimum wage that's why I can I reiterate I know people think inferi it's OK not
0:12:08to tip in America
0:12:10but I would say it is not OK not to tip in a restaurant in America you just you just have to do that now
0:12:16and the final point that I want to say that just goes to my feelings about how tipping is uncomfortable for everybody
0:12:23is a number of people were telling me about how some drivers do want to expect tips
0:12:30and that Goober drivers some of them will rate you as a bad passenger in the system if you don't.
0:12:38Tip them as a way to try to let other drivers know not to pick you up one of the things that I think is great about the
0:12:45whole Hooper system is that you have a rating that the driver can see before they choose to pick you up so that some
0:12:53over drivers are trying to drive down the averages for people who don't tip so that they can pick up tipping customers
0:12:59more on average
0:13:00and they like Oh great great thanks yeah this goes exactly to what I think about tipping like it's complicated it's
0:13:06socially awkward and fundamentally it feels kind of like blackmail kind you know kind of like bribery.
0:13:13It's just it's just a don't like it.
0:13:16Apparently I don't know if this is true enough but I was told that song blazing
0:13:19and I'm now repeating it so it is true that when you're shopping
0:13:23and haggling in places like Thailand where it's almost expected that you do a bit of haggling if you just walk up to
0:13:28have stolen say how much for that Taisha that's the beginning of the negotiation.
0:13:32Right and some people obviously drop out about guns and others but apparently if your really hot by going to
0:13:38and you're a bit of an ass what they do is when they finally agreed to the sale
0:13:42and they put you all objective boil in a bag they have different colored shopping bags that would help the other store
0:13:48onus don't deal with this person he's an ass and you'll spend half an hour into the kitchen down to eight
0:13:54but where is the if you're not much of a bag and your bit of a push I give you a different color bag
0:14:00when you go into a negotiation the store
0:14:02and in knows what to expect because of the bags are hoping from the store you're in before right.
0:14:06He's looking at all those green bags thinking this person is money for me I I am just going to assume that is true
0:14:16because it is delightful to think that it is true fact you heard on how the Internet now we've been talking over a few
0:14:23episodes about puns and dad humor and I think we need to go ever too much more
0:14:29but I did receive an email that I enjoyed and I want to share with you. So he's the type of gray.
0:14:34Oh wow you know I let my emails and bits of paper do scans.
0:14:38From Isaak I believe you
0:14:40and Mr Gray are wrong about puns because obviously you're not being a little bit negative about puns even though I am a
0:14:46big user of puns good puns are a great form of humor. I've lived for a couple of years in here we go.
0:14:55How do you say this.
0:14:56Gotham Berg Gothenburg head which you say in Sweden I say Gothenburg
0:15:01but let's go with Gothenburg for now apologies to the people of that fine city I have me for a couple of years in
0:15:07Gothenburg a city known for having a strong pun culture here people of all ages and social status is tell puns
0:15:15and they can be very inventive and well timed so I was obviously intrigued by this.
0:15:19Him telling me that the city is is well known for its patent coach or
0:15:24and I was obviously going to make a little joke about it you know I say have funny how people think their city's famous
0:15:29was happening but when I did a little bit of research it turns at Gothenburg is famous for its part in coach
0:15:34or oh yeah oh yeah.
0:15:36Apparently I found because I found this other code which was based on a survey a nationwide survey done in Sweden by
0:15:42Comedy Central that decided the people have gotten the with the funniest in suede shoes paranoid their accents are
0:15:49quite funny but also it says in the article. Gotham Burke's favorite joke.
0:15:55Puns are the funniest type of Jericho according to the Swedes followed by irony and slapstick.
0:16:02So so Swedes do find puns funny
0:16:06and the people of Gothenburg with a funny accent a famous for their pants there must be a side effect of the language I
0:16:13heard from a few people that puns are really big in China
0:16:16but that it is a side effect of the way the Chinese language is structured
0:16:20and thinking the Swedes it's something with their language
0:16:24or their overlapping all the languages that make them really enjoy puns. Yeah that's quite possible.
0:16:29Think this isn't a terrible anguish for putting that is that you know
0:16:31but you can imagine of a language that was better suited to puns.
0:16:35Now I'm glad I don't speak that language whatever it would be because they're not funny.
0:16:38So what's a language is well suited to puns one where there's more confusion and overlap or one where the overlap
0:16:45and confusion is rare and therefore the pun is more of a a diamond in the rough.
0:16:50The impression that I got from some feedback was that because Chinese. As this.
0:16:56Tonality part of indicating meaning that it's not just the sound it's also the rising
0:17:00or falling tones that this lends itself to lots of puns or you can make things that sound very similar.
0:17:06I'm going to guess that a language that has a great deal of overlap is what lends itself to putting as opposed to a
0:17:14language that is bearing an overlap where puns are rare I mean that would make sense doesn't that tallies with the
0:17:19whole Chinese number thing isn't it where the numbers they like
0:17:22and don't like it because you know I just number sounds like the word for death
0:17:25and this number sounds like the word for money
0:17:27and things like someone familiar with the liquor that's on the drifting I mean Chinese people are obsessed with the
0:17:33number eight.
0:17:35I do on hers I think I think it's eight and if they so like a license plate
0:17:39or a house that house that's number eight on the street it was more than all the other ones.
0:17:44Humans have great curb appeal is trying to change the number of the House they're like we talk about how in big cities
0:17:53everything is one.
0:17:54London Bridge may be in the Chinese cities are there are they all like to be eighty eight and six a sought after
0:18:00and four is a bad number. A current member why I think it must be something to do with death. Chinese lucky numbers.
0:18:07I'll send you a link later if you want to find out more I learn something new to the things you learn on hello internet.
0:18:12You learn about the Chinese love numbers
0:18:15and how you're going to get different colored bags in markets around the world.
0:18:18That's right now one thing you have been learning from time to time in here recently was the location of two ships to
0:18:26cruise ships that I was constantly looking up on the internet telling everyone where they are
0:18:31and I beg without your permission. I made these the official flagships fellow internet Yes you did.
0:18:40I'm not going to lie.
0:18:41Gray wasn't keen on the idea of me looking at the positions of the ships in every pod cast because he's a good friend
0:18:46and a very tolerant person he was letting me do it so I'm happy to report much to his delight over there he doesn't
0:18:54agree with. My reasoning I have decommissioned to these two ships. Oh really.
0:19:00I'm not even speaking then nineteen that is the extent of the decommissioning that's really sad.
0:19:05Brady That's really sad and as as gray where we know
0:19:09and I'm not going to go into in data out here because he's already left me way too much
0:19:13and I'm not going to give him another opportunity to do this do you mean the twenty minutes we've got from the last
0:19:18five gal I don't know what you're talking about basically I contacted like the cruise line in charge.
0:19:28Royal Caribbean
0:19:30or Royal Caribbean which is another discussion that we with Kat because we probably spent way too long on it because I
0:19:36just want to go when the ship was next in England I wanted to go
0:19:39and have a look at it maybe you know to a pod cast there was something I didn't know what I wanted
0:19:43but I was not should show sufficient love by the by the public.
0:19:47Flesh do you want to do you want me to summarize the conversation that we had no I'm very certainly did not want you
0:19:53know that the upshot was I was showing insufficient respect but the public relations people in my opinion
0:20:02and career has already pointed out to me that an eighty billion dollars company lot row Caribbean can probably live
0:20:09without the love of hello internet and also I don't imagine many of the blue rinse set who'd like going on cruises.
0:20:16Hello Internet listeners either although I will point out two things in the wake of that would you like going to the
0:20:23wake of that I will point out two things in the wake of that one is I have actually in the last couple of weeks.
0:20:30Received an email from passenger on one of these ships psycho I was just listening to podcasts
0:20:36and I was on the ship so we do have listeners on the ship and also we love talking about like robots
0:20:44and things being taken over by machines and things timely especially grey
0:20:47and it turns out one of these ships has like robot bartenders and we could have spoken for hours about that
0:20:54but you know what.
0:20:56When not going to hear is now gray Terry Terry you stay out of there I'm going to say I was going say four you've
0:21:04called it The live on the corner you didn't want.
0:21:06You've got rid of a whole corner you didn't want you should just be happy
0:21:10and move on I am very happy I am very happy
0:21:13but i just one I just want to tell listeners that if you ever receive a phone call from Brady Be sure to show him the
0:21:24respect that you think a man in his position in life does
0:21:28or because if you don't if you don't roll out the red carpet for Mr number file you know maybe he will.
0:21:37It is like Hell hath no fury like a Brady scorned that that's all I'm going to say you work for P.R.
0:21:45and Brady calls if it's not the way that he thinks is going to go you'll be dead to him for ever so even though even
0:21:55though Brady in some ways is trying to play this as C.D.P.
0:21:58Gray didn't like this corner where we discuss an arbitrary location in the ocean every week is actually the much more
0:22:07Brady scuttling the ships to the bottom of the ocean are has been entirely honest about my motivations.
0:22:16Your dislike for my checking on the ship has absolutely nothing to do with the end of it it is entirely my displeasure.
0:22:23Oh yes public relations person I just want to make it crystal clear for feet.
0:22:29Let let me let me clarify that message that gray just sent out to the public relations people of the way where I don't
0:22:36quite think that way about Brady calling me take that way about people from new media calling it because although you
0:22:44may not be tied tightly aware of the S. O. D.
0:22:47Newspapers printed with ink on to dead trees is not the only place that you can go on a publicist in the world
0:22:55and if a gift horse comes along offering you oso have lovely things don't shun it just because it doesn't print its
0:23:03message on to dead trees. Can we move on now. Given we can move on.
0:23:10Well I will let you have I will let you have the final word. Hello Internet.
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0:23:21So this summer I was visiting my parents and as parents are they are sad
0:23:26when it is time for their child to leave the actual morning of departure is a difficult one for parents I was getting
0:23:34ready for the flight.
0:23:36Packing the final bags moving them into the car but I had prepared for this moment you see all summer long.
0:23:44My parents kept mentioning how there was this one photograph of Brady that really made them laugh every time they saw
0:23:53it. It's Brady trying to read getting things done. A frown on his face. Audrey on his chest.
0:24:02Also looking at the book also frowning It's an amazing photograph.
0:24:08So as I was doing the final preparations to get ready to go the doorbell rings the delivery man is there
0:24:15and what arrives but a fracture of the photograph of Brady
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0:24:50Now many times you have heard how great fractures look this is all very true it looks beautiful
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0:25:04I kept hearing on all of the ads how it's printed on glass
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0:25:17be difficult to mount on the wall for display somewhere in the house
0:25:21but no it's surprisingly light so installing something like this in your house it's not a big deal if you've been
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0:26:16and brighten up someone's day I think that we have some follow up for the imho G.P.D. A wolf.
0:26:23Oh yes I'm very excited about as well. Remember Wolf Kate right that this was the Adria Modi's were confused about.
0:26:31Yes because my wife and I had very few I sense use the wolf face a Moji as a representation for
0:26:39or tree literally because they're both kind of beige cut the dogs
0:26:42and they look a little bit like the will face on the i Phone
0:26:45and it turns out that the wolf only looks like that on the I sign and if you use Android
0:26:51or Windows I'm looking at least aero Samsung and Twitter and Facebook they all have different I'm a G.'s
0:26:57and all of there is not only look quite different.
0:27:00They gray colored It's only Apple the has this kind of for one color that's like my docs right there looks nothing like
0:27:07a war.
0:27:07Apple is clearly wrong with their with their drug
0:27:10and I hate all of Apple bocce so terrible in date if this is supposed to be a what I mean I didn't know it was a Wolf
0:27:15we just code with code or generally or it looks probably more like a fox. So many of their Moji S.
0:27:21Are terrible
0:27:23or they're terrifying if you zoom in on them like a lot of the faces in the family was like don't look at don't look at
0:27:29it too close because they're terrifying I am not a vet I wanted actually the opposite there Wolf once actually is much
0:27:34nicer than the than the other ones although if it's supposed to be a what than there probably be other that's right
0:27:40because it's much nicer because it's a puppy is what they've drawn over who's in charge of a mode is over there at
0:27:45Apple
0:27:46but you know let me show you a picture of a wolf we've already discussed this a considerable length much more than you
0:27:52could think two guys could discuss won a Major but anyway we did discuss one point how out debate on this issue.
0:28:00Caused a spike in the number of people viewing the wolf page on a Moji Pedia which is a website that I didn't know
0:28:08existed until we drive all this traffic to it.
0:28:11I don't know if this is like some big operation like Wikipedia
0:28:15or some Mickey Mouse operation that just one person is doing in their basement.
0:28:20Either way it's like a encyclopedia of emerges and it looks it looks pretty well done to me to be honest.
0:28:26Lou And one of the things they're doing obviously to sustain this art or to make money
0:28:33or whatever is there are allowing people to sponsor pages on their on their web site instead of having ads you know
0:28:40obviously the trying to make the money with ads
0:28:42and they're thinking maybe a better way to do it with a to get people to give the money you know how these things go.
0:28:48Anyway I was contacted by Jeremy from a major Pedia
0:28:54and he has candle eighty made Louis an ordinary The official sponsors of the wolf.
0:29:01Page are really on a major Pedia So if you go to the wolf.
0:29:04Page on a major PITA instead of being served some grotesque ad that you don't even want to say he will say that O.J.
0:29:12And Lou the other sponsors and there's even a link off to orgies Facebook page other we go.
0:29:17Sponsor yet this won't face a Modi has been adopted by a hundred
0:29:21and Lulu like that still owe the fact that I agree at the Facebook to do vary the should be more people following that
0:29:30same which key you have a thousand people following your to our YOU WANT MORE.
0:29:34Yeah well he deserves more how many does Audrey deserve. I would say ten to twenty K. Ten to twenty K.
0:29:43That that you think I'd read the A divert all to our deserve Yeah I think that would be nice I base that on nothing
0:29:50but that's a good look at odds are Jerry is sponsoring emergencies like we will have by the way I've been meaning to
0:29:57talk to you not to that because we've got way too much talk that
0:30:00but we will have a discussion at some point about whether
0:30:02or not I'm going to be able to persuade you to get a dog because we've been avoiding this issue for too long on the
0:30:06park have we been avoiding this issue. I feel like we haven't been avoiding this issue because.
0:30:10If you constantly badger me about it in just our normal lives like is that we open stark about it in their normal lives
0:30:18we talk about a lot that we don't talk about on the podcast much
0:30:20and I'm just going to I need a bit more time I want to put together my arguments a light you want to get together all
0:30:27your paperwork for that one in making nice with a scale actually what I really want to do it is by one entity for
0:30:32Christmas in the presence of your wife and then watch what you do yeah you I'll show you what I do you go ahead
0:30:41and try that another piece of follow up here.
0:30:46This is a link that I don't know where this thing came from I'm sure it was sent to us by someone say thank you person.
0:30:52Good job or credit their baby. Yeah at U.B.
0:30:55Sion some people seem to think it's right they have to just be attributed if they send us something
0:31:00or suggest we talk about something who are member one time on the podcast I just mentioned are someone sent me a link
0:31:05and so much to pray to your freebooting you're freebooting by not attributing I'm not sure that it's very very sick
0:31:11but anyway I'm not entering the debate I'm just putting it in.
0:31:16The only reason I called you out on it it is because if listeners go back
0:31:21and listen to us talk about stuff I never even make any attempt to try to attribute things because they feel like who
0:31:27knows where it comes from it just comes from the Internet.
0:31:30I just I loved I loved your attempts
0:31:33and then immediately just giving up on trying to attribute it whereas I feel like the only the only winning move here
0:31:39is just is to not try it's just so hard to keep track of this stuff that's why didn't you do think it's nice to do it
0:31:47when you can but unfortunately it does create a precedent that everyone expects they create the president
0:31:51and then you also end up with a podcast where a good ten percent of the podcast is discussions on how a person's name
0:31:58might be pronounced
0:31:59and then also apologies for not pronouncing it correctly you did that to a whole city just moments ago.
0:32:04Sorry ideas at least I didn't go to each person in the city one by one but let's say this link came from Tim OK
0:32:11but it him sent us a report all some saw you can click on its ear in the shop knives how far this comes from the the
0:32:18safety cast at the Civil Aviation Safety Authority in a straight into something nice the plain people in Australia
0:32:26and it's this big report that was done and I haven't I haven't thought this looks boring.
0:32:30Yeah I had watching I think it looks quite interesting but I haven't read it but basically it's about whether
0:32:36or not it I've done my research into whether or not people are paying attention to flight safety videos
0:32:42and have actually used feverishly used some of them will give me a key ones as their exam.
0:32:46Yeah we see that the reason this looks terrible is that it opens with the standard opening line for articles that just
0:32:51is never a good indication which is the what do X. Things have in common.
0:32:54So this report opens with what do the following have in common.
0:32:57Bilbo Baggins Lady Gaga and the Manchester United football team I think now this is always a terrible open open are
0:33:04but all three have been featured in the preflight safety demonstration videos the reason I brought it up was in the
0:33:09last part cost when I said I thought it was quite conceivable that research is done into whether
0:33:15or not people pay attention to safety videos also if you're a bit dismissive
0:33:19and didn't think that was particularly likely and I said was thinking.
0:33:22Assad is likely so I'm just bringing this up to point out not only is it likely we now know that it does happen people
0:33:29do research people's attention to airline safety videos and that was the first plank of my argument about whether
0:33:35or not it's that there are legal reasons for mixing it up with the airline safety videos
0:33:41and I don't want to put that in there you know can't just skimming through this though
0:33:44and I am unconvinced by their bullet points here because the big headline here is the problem is people don't pay
0:33:50enough attention and so the answer they're giving examples of
0:33:53when people don't pay attention so as an example they list an airplane that had the oxygen masks deployed
0:34:02and as we all know Brady oxygen may be flowing to the mask even though the bag does not inflate.
0:34:08Yes I have heard that but they hear say that two crew members had to get up
0:34:12and assist to passengers who were concerned about the bag not inflating on this particular flight
0:34:18and all I can say is two people out of an airplane that's amazing like my experiences as a teacher is you can't give
0:34:27instructions to a room full of twenty people
0:34:29and be guaranteed all twenty of them are going to follow the instructions that's cuts actually really impressive.
0:34:34Yeah even if you have everybody paying attention one hundred percent there was kind of I should bring this up now
0:34:41but there was a kind of kid who I don't have described as but I would just say.
0:34:48There were some kids who weren't Horan like dumb but you would give instructions to a group and they would sit there
0:34:56and then the group would get started doing whatever you told everyone to do
0:35:00and they would wait for you to personally explain the thing to them
0:35:04and they seem to just not believe the group instructions could possibly apply to them
0:35:10and so that's why like I just skimming these things over here there's another one is another example here about you
0:35:16know six people on an airplane didn't fall the appropriate instructions eight people on an airplane
0:35:20and as like these numbers seem tiny to me like so I I'm not convinced that the the opening statement the problem people
0:35:28do not pay enough attention is actually a problem I think you're starting from the assumption that if you could get
0:35:35everyone to pay full attention to your video that they would follow instructions perfectly I think that is a false
0:35:42false assumption
0:35:43and I'm also not convinced that making the video more engaging is also going to be guaranteed related to an improvement
0:35:52in knowledge about what to do like you can have people watch a thing and learn
0:35:57and retain nothing from it I think for example you can watch one of my videos where I talk very quickly
0:36:04and moments later maybe remember absolutely nothing even though you were paying attention so I disagree.
0:36:10I disagree with the premise of at least my two seconds of skimming this report my skim of this report I was equally
0:36:17unimpressed by but to spot the by the whole point I wanted to make was this is an area of research
0:36:24and I thought it was inevitable that would be research because airline safety gets research to death
0:36:29and I found it impossible to believe this area was in another area that gets researched
0:36:33and then so it is whether it's paying well researched or researched by idiots
0:36:38or it's just well funded kind of jobs where it's I don't know and I haven't read this well enough to say for sure
0:36:46but I wasn't massive impressed.
0:36:48First glance as well but anyway I just want to start out there you know
0:36:51and I love I love I need an excuse talk about airlines
0:36:55and plans on the Hill would do it again even in this part cast Yes I know it's coming.
0:36:59I kid feel it looming looming over the horizon
0:37:04but while we can still talk about airplanes I was quite delighted to discover the answer to How do pilots relieve
0:37:12themselves
0:37:13when they're flying fighter jets across the Atlantic Ocean for ten hours this was a great read commentary by the way
0:37:22from let's try
0:37:24and say this name X X X I X A These Octavia the season see how yeah I spent a good minute trying to figure out a site
0:37:33that you just you speak read it so much better than me so what did his ease Oxiana have to say these Oxy the these Axia
0:37:43it's no easier though because it just ends with an I let it go Rick let a can it these archaea that's how you say it's
0:37:49just the whole trick is to say it confidently and don't apologize for it that's how I need to do
0:37:53and so that's not somewhere G'day new like that's not like the name of some Demon From lot of the rings that I should
0:38:01know when you're laughing I don't even know you have never heard of something
0:38:03or other the first time I've seen that word and you just I just run with it and don't don't look back
0:38:08and I liked often
0:38:10but yeah so the doc the linked us to the year in collection devices that are commonly referred to as piddle packs that
0:38:21the people in jets will use
0:38:23and the thing that is most interesting to me is that they can basically they are little almost like the airline
0:38:29sickness bags
0:38:30but there they are shaped in a little bit of an arc so that they can be attached to mail a quip meant rather easily
0:38:37that you can urinate into and they contain a powder that turns into gelatin.
0:38:43When it is contacted with liquid so you you are not.
0:38:48Doing the thing that say a long haul trucker does which is taking your empty bottle of Mountain Dew right
0:38:54and then just hoping to seal it up right that these these pill packs will turn your urine into something solid
0:39:00and presumably more easy to deal with in the confines of a fighter jet
0:39:04and the answer about what they do for number two is they wait I would find rather stressful for ten hours.
0:39:15Sometimes it has to be done I also found it really interesting that these are also a often used by military snipers
0:39:21when they're in their hides a knife a long periods of time say what's colder than pilots
0:39:26and snipers on high not many things one for his are so cool.
0:39:30Yeah I mean the whole killing thing it's a killing people things I guess not great
0:39:34but it's still pretty cool you know how
0:39:36when you talk about plane crash corner you tell me to put aside like the horrors of it
0:39:40and just discuss the things that that goes with fighter jets and snipers like aside from the murder.
0:39:47Let's talk about how.
0:39:51Sniper's super cool
0:39:53and I often thought if I was ever going to be in the military sniper training it just seems like that would be amazing.
0:39:58I would love to be a sniper if I had to do that.
0:40:00The BE GREAT my first instinct is that you would not be a good sniper I might be terrible at it
0:40:05but I would be willing to give that a go.
0:40:08Like it if you have to be on the ground I mean really if I was in the military if I had if I was drafted
0:40:14or something my number one strategy would be to convince them about like hey I can program computers like let me let me
0:40:19let me sell how I can be useful to you.
0:40:21Military in a way that is not being on the front line but if I had to be in the front lines.
0:40:26Sniper is what I would I would try for I would try to do that. What about you.
0:40:30Brady five pilots Yeah I mean fighter pilot and then I drive you know a tank or something
0:40:35but now if you had to be you don't get a you don't get it.
0:40:38Just cherry picked sniper and now you're saying I can cherry pick a Cojo
0:40:42or what I what I mean is if you had to pick a job where you don't get to surround yourself with the protective machine
0:40:50would you be the guy holding the telephone I know it's very I wouldn't classify fast a pilot as the safest job in the
0:40:55military would have talking about if it's safe
0:40:57or not I'm just saying you're a dude on the ground would you have a rocket launcher would you be the medic.
0:41:03I'm going to follow in my dad's footsteps and they don't track a dog track
0:41:07or have you finished those videos yet we talked about those like a year
0:41:09and a half ago done did I tell you that I've done to tell the viewers that on the second one in the series there is
0:41:15another there is another video with my dad you know what you know you never mention there's a second one there is
0:41:20another one. I'll put a link in the show.
0:41:21All right there isn't there is a new video with my debt this one is about him climbing up a hill
0:41:26and sort of showing you the geography of the base where he was with his in Vietnam there we go it's like a it's it's
0:41:32not quite the gripping story of action.
0:41:34And combat of the first ones but it tells you a lot of about how how it worked and how that helicopter in and out
0:41:39and things like that it's pretty good it's are are holding to you can have a look if you like in the Shona Yeah look at
0:41:48that became you know I see the plug the grave that even many today.
0:41:52Course I meant to and check out the book and check out the book available on Amazon.
0:41:57Now you just track as the book the book The good part don't watch my video the books we should be rating to get the
0:42:04videos I think we have shredder follow up this is also very exciting to me so much the only one.
0:42:12Just asked for sure to follow up
0:42:14and just because someone asks for something doesn't mean they're going to get on the podcast
0:42:19but in this case they are because I did has been sure to follow up.
0:42:22Oh yeah
0:42:23and that is that is the news that I have not been shredding for quite some time now because I have suffered a major jam
0:42:30that I cannot fix all I mean the paper jam in your shredder is that what you mean.
0:42:36Yeah yeah I put through too many bits of paper at once and it seems to of course I've tried like going forward
0:42:42and reverse
0:42:42and this is a thing which traders is they tempt you to push them to the edge of the always think this seems good I can
0:42:51I can I can fit eight simultaneous pieces of paper or maybe tens I'm not a nice piece and then sooner
0:42:56or later there's some there's some trouble my trick yeah I have found is use a letter opener as the best tool for D.
0:43:03Stick defying a shredder.
0:43:05Let me try to literature the sound what the should be on your other point cast if we're talking about things like
0:43:10letter writing has and documents
0:43:13and things I have not tried to let our i've got a Swiss army knife I stick by bin Laden and see what happens.
0:43:19The other the other great solution is to just buy a bigger shredder that's really wonder strategem tells you that it's
0:43:25time to buy a bigger shredder I don't think I need a bigger strata you can always use a bigger shredder I could do you
0:43:32think about how big is yours I'm I am still using what in my mind was just some temporary shredder writes The problem
0:43:40is that has been jammed so I guess I don't have an excuse to get into one to sort of realize your lender to make for a
0:43:45few days drive take care that after the show I'm going to run all these tax documents there to try to jam it real good
0:43:50so I do have an excuse to pick
0:43:52or I did want to ask you what you thought of that good news new Lego using Google's new logo you like
0:43:57and no it didn't like it you don't like it really interesting I do like I'm coming down on the side of I do like it
0:44:03and they pull it up I mean no I'm sure another way Croteau ever used to
0:44:07and I was twenty five remember what the album was but I don't like a fly don't you like it. I think it's too childish.
0:44:15There is no arguing that it is very childish
0:44:19and I'm betting that the design spec was make it look like the magnetic letters that go on people's refrigerators that
0:44:27has to be what they were going for because that is exactly what the logo looks like then why do you lack of the
0:44:33childishness So what why do you like it I don't know I think this is one case where it where it works I mean Google
0:44:40Google is just a silly word you know Google Google Google GOOG agoa right it sounds like babies Yeah
0:44:47and Google's Google's corporate image has always been somewhat playful I think maybe a is the way to describe it.
0:44:56Playful simple
0:44:57and then this also fits in with their overarching Google is now a subsidiary of a company called alphabet like this
0:45:04kind is kind of works in with that I'm a fan of the new logo
0:45:08but what I have to say what I like is is not even so much just that the like on the Google search page that this logo
0:45:17but even they redid their favorite con on the Web site to be the big G.
0:45:23And also if you do any voice search with Google they redid the way the little microphone works to match up with a
0:45:30little Google colors then I just think the they re branded
0:45:34and I think they did a good job making it look consistent across a bunch of stuff I'm going to give it a thumbs up.
0:45:40I know lots of people seem to dislike it.
0:45:43I'm a fan I think it's it's clean and I think the childishness is is perfectly OK in in this moment.
0:45:52Although it did take me longer than usual to actually notice because I have actually recently finally release which to
0:45:58Duck Duck Go which I maligned many podcasts ago for not having great search results but they have been improved.
0:46:03Over time and so now Dr Goh is my default search engine.
0:46:07Everywhere now instead of Google so I won't actually be looking at the Google logo every single day
0:46:11but I do like it I mean given the thumbs up on this one now that the search results a better on Dr go why have why
0:46:21moved them why move away from Google what do you not like a baker who is a fictitious the creepy data stuff
0:46:27or what do you not like about cable because the searchers up some pretty good on yeah their search results are pretty
0:46:33good
0:46:34and at least for the moment one of the things I like on Google is the option to search for stuff within a time period
0:46:41so Dr Goh doesn't have that for the moment
0:46:44but often if I'm trying to do some like I'm looking up a solution to some tech problem I'm trying to fix something on
0:46:48the computer it's really helpful to be able to say on Google.
0:46:51Show me results that are only from within the last year because very often all you know if you don't do that you get
0:46:57results from years and years ago that aren't relevant but so Google definitely still has its purposes
0:47:03but mainly I just feel like I want to separate.
0:47:07The you to business stuff from just like oh I'm a person searching for things on Google all day like I'm just aware
0:47:14it's it's impossible on my browsers to not always be logged into at least one of the You Tube
0:47:21or Google accounts that are directly related to business stuff all the time
0:47:26and so I just feel because Google does have that little bit of a creepy we're always watching you
0:47:31and using all of this data to predict stuff about you that I do want to put a little bit of a barrier between like oh
0:47:37this is the sea G.P.
0:47:38Grey Google account that is used for You Tube and official business stuff and then separate out like high M.C.G.
0:47:45Gray a person who's just searching for stuff on the Internet like you just want to put a little bit of distance between
0:47:50those two and now that Duck Duck Go results are good enough. I'm happy to have them be the default everywhere.
0:47:56Plus they have a dark mode which I quickly
0:47:58when I was a big fat that it always comes down to my stark mode goes a long way and where it comes down to duck
0:48:03but do you think of those creepy like this is one of these things where like how do you feel about that do you think
0:48:09about Google. Keeping all your search results.
0:48:11Yeah creepy doesn't worry me as much as it were easier Nom I'm you know as I was going to say paranoid
0:48:19but if it were just cautious I'm not as cautious as you
0:48:22but yeah tonight I mean it depends on my mood in a given day my mood today is what you're saying makes a lot of sense
0:48:29and I feel like I should do that I should make away from them I don't need them and you know I use them for work
0:48:34and off as it is with my two hundred thousand G.
0:48:37Plus accounts and she became a major said also be you know searching for a recipient on them as well paranoid
0:48:44or even cautious is is overblowing it because even I can't quite put my finger on why I feel this way.
0:48:50Yeah because if you made me sit down to write on a piece of paper.
0:48:53Someone says What do you think is the worst case scenario here it's very hard to say what that would even be it's like
0:48:59oh Google Google the algorithms know more about me and like and I care why not really I have a hard time placing.
0:49:10A solid thought on why I feel this way
0:49:13but I'm just happy to have a little bit of separation between me searching for stuff
0:49:18and the thing that I use for the vast majority of my business now that it is a more practical possibility
0:49:25but I can't say I can't say why and I don't feel like I have any convincing arguments for why that would be why
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0:52:22Heavier feeling heavier do it this is feeling increasingly more pointless to make us a bit like doing at a bi weekly
0:52:31check on how I'm going making a quilt and another quick Micah any I thought.
0:52:36You know in the stuck with an are you not a quilt maker.
0:52:40Well I'm just not doing any sort of white loss things and I meant
0:52:45and in fact I'm doing quite the opposite this week I since since our last weighed myself I have put on one point five.
0:52:53Put on one point five kilos.
0:52:55OK I am down but just barely point nine pounds which I think comes out to be zero kilograms
0:53:05and I can remember how it works and so you're pretty much the same a head down and I'm out.
0:53:11We like the worst Romo to well well this is exactly it because the point nine down is one of the things where this is
0:53:22well within the the uncertainty of measurement.
0:53:27Oh you think that comes down to what you're wearing when your way so
0:53:29when you went last went to the toilet exactly right that this is this totally falls down into how long has it been
0:53:36since you've gone to the bathroom territory which basically doesn't count as all at all so I feel like yes I have made
0:53:42no progress and you have made negative progress and so you know we are terrible role models for people
0:53:49but here we are here we are none the less. Now I thought you were Twitter account must have been hacked today.
0:53:56Oh yeah why did you think that have you really started a Twitter account way your lot putting all your personal
0:54:01information about the old white fat things and stuff up on the Internet.
0:54:06Yeah I guess I guess since we just had a discussion about what worrying about how much Google knows about us.
0:54:12Yeah I was I would have been disappointed in myself as a human being since our last weigh in because I have made
0:54:19basically no progress and in no small part is because when I'm under a big work pressure like that is just
0:54:25when I am at my my worst in terms of like just eating crap to get through the day
0:54:31and I just always find myself kind of justifying it is like well you're up all night for.
0:54:36The third night in a row like you know you're going to need some soda or something just to stay awake
0:54:39and you can't possibly drink any more coffee and the like
0:54:44but I always do this like I've been doing this for two years this guy this like habit
0:54:48and essentially like making no progress really
0:54:52and so I thought well how can I step up my own personal accountability
0:54:57and so yes just this morning it arrived I got a scale.
0:55:02Allows me to auto tweet from high embarrassing potentially no progress.
0:55:08Weight loss so I have put that up there on the Internet as a way of trying to hold a gun to my head not just once every
0:55:15two weeks which has been unsuccessful for me
0:55:18but hold a gun to my head once a day so yeah that's a real THE at great health bought really was me I didn't get hacked.
0:55:27Wow I don't know what to say. Had asking if some steak.
0:55:32Yeah we think it's a mistake well it's not mistake I just think it's well that wouldn't work for me I'm learning this
0:55:38doesn't work for me because because I have imagined they would have been a time where our D.
0:55:43So worried about what people think of me and not fear of failure that maybe it would work
0:55:47but I think having made You Tube videos for so long I feel like of almost become a not kill a to to what people think
0:55:55about me so so so the so the shame of of you know putting all my losing weight or doing something embarrassing
0:56:03or doing something good like it almost is it doesn't mean much to me anymore I really appreciate like you know I fade
0:56:09back and the audience isn't things out but I just don't think it well it obviously is not working and and I
0:56:17and use same you seem to have an even stronger ability to not worry about what other people are signing I see her
0:56:24putting it forward like this is going to help you much so this is really interesting to me that you're coming out from
0:56:29this perspective for me it's it's not about like the the feedback from other people it's it's more about like I have
0:56:39put it out there that I am attempting to do with thing and if I do not succeed the thing my failure is very public.
0:56:50And this is a thing that I have declared is important to me to do.
0:56:55Like it's very it's very different from like putting up a video
0:56:59or something were five put up a video that was a total failure.
0:57:02Like well it's going to happen sometimes right sometimes videos aren't good
0:57:05and if you end up getting a hundred thousand people saying you suck.
0:57:09I'm very immune to that kind of feedback at this point like anybody who makes a living on the Internet you just have to
0:57:14be
0:57:15but this is this feels like I am really putting me on the hook because I have said this is a thing that is important to
0:57:21do to try to lose weight
0:57:23and if I am not able to do it then this is in a very public way saying like I have I have failed at this thing that I
0:57:32have set out to do so that's why I have put it out there it's much more about like what this says about me if I am not
0:57:39able to do it as opposed to like people tweeting at me at fatty fatty McPhatter sense exclamation mark kind of thing I
0:57:49don't feel like it's something that if I asked your advice about you would advise you devise against life I'm just
0:57:57thinking you know I you know I can imagine may ring you up and sang cry about this problem
0:58:01and here's one thinking here's my options
0:58:04and the sort of advice she normally give would be along the lines of you know I do have a cost benefit analysis
0:58:09and what do you hope to achieve what's the good outcome of the bad outcome
0:58:13and you sort of you know you rationally go through in your way we just did this the other day we did do it we did do it
0:58:19the other day on another issue and.
0:58:21The and the thing that would happen but what happens here you are either you either lose the weight
0:58:27and could fear you've accomplished what you wanted to accomplish because you know you did and I'm happy for you
0:58:33or you don't and yet and how bad you feel about it is just compounded by the fact that you did this health bar thing
0:58:41and I don't see you know I see what you're doing you're thinking this would hope he's succeed this will become you know
0:58:48a stick or carrot I don't know which it is probably more of a stick is much more of a stick if the step
0:58:55but I think it's just an it's just another you know you said you said I feel a bit bad about myself
0:59:00when I don't do it this is just going to make if it was a I think it's got more downside than upside
0:59:06but I'm sure you have thought about it and you've made it even a decision based on that so yeah you know you doing
0:59:12but this is one of those cases where the fact that it has more downside is the upside from my perspective that I I
0:59:18obviously when I think about like OK I've tried to lose weight over the past like year and a half two years sort of
0:59:26and without much success like I'm pretty much the same way now that I was two years ago
0:59:30and I have kept like turning up the dial of like OK what do I need to do to lose weight and I have made some changes
0:59:40but none that have been sufficient
0:59:43and so this to me is like one continuing down this path of like I want to lose some weight
0:59:48and I need to keep cranking this dial of what our further things that I can do and this is.
0:59:53Probably one of the most severe things that I can think of to do is to make this very public this smacks of Last Chance
1:00:00Saloon to me because you know this is a God that's famous for not telling people what he's working on a very very
1:00:07secretive about things you do in till you do them
1:00:09and now for the first time of your sighing this is what I'm doing followed me from day one this is this this goes
1:00:15against everything about you in terms of other aspects is either I know normally I don't know you're working on a
1:00:20project till the day you don't like
1:00:22nor the typical why I would expect great white lost to work with it every time I ask you about how your weight loss was
1:00:28going you would say nothing not talking about it and change the subject and then like six months later I'd see
1:00:33and you'd be like a wife and I'd be like oh my goodness and you're like a surprise I didn't tell you but look at me.
1:00:39On amazing but this time it's the exact opposite you're like come
1:00:43and followed me look you know it's it's this is this is desperation stakes if you ask me
1:00:51but it is funny because in a in a way I don't regard the way it is like personal information even though I know for
1:00:59some people it feels very personal.
1:01:00Whereas what I'm working on a psycho No of course I would never tell anybody what I'm working on
1:01:04and there are lots of aspects of my life that I'm very private about
1:01:07but how fat i am i feel like there's not private like people can look at me
1:01:11and he can see actually in your in your case that's not the case is there you're kind of the one exception to that
1:01:18you're the one person the strangest can't look at I was a meaning in my professional life I mean just like
1:01:23when I'm walking around yeah you can't you can't fool anybody about what you look like because that's what you look
1:01:28like so it
1:01:29but those people those people in the street don't know you're trying to do is the way it's you know sort of fans
1:01:33and followers a day if you were walking around with a sign on your shirt saying hello I'm trying to lose weight
1:01:39and he walked around the train stations
1:01:41and streets of London wearing that that would be different that we created the i wouldn't do that you know it's
1:01:47terrible idea I would advise me against that very strongly is no better then surely kind of what it feels like you're
1:01:54doing you were doing on Twitter except you do have the advantage of people not knowing what you look like you know I
1:02:00mean video is everywhere you can stuff like that people look at me
1:02:03and say man I post photos of myself because because I'm a normal person but he's a little bit
1:02:13and can never let it slide.
1:02:15It wouldn't be how they are Internet great
1:02:20but anyway I think it's I think it's co-authored it's really interesting what you've done
1:02:24and I may even follow what's a coach at what great health but great health but I think it's one of those who do it man.
1:02:35Thing that two weeks well I won't be a surprise for me in two weeks because I don't know exactly how you're doing.
1:02:41Yeah I'll give you an unfair advantage in some way you know exactly how things are going to need to act
1:02:48and they try had. This weather is not helping. Now headed heading into heading into the dark season in England.
1:02:56Doesn't help anybody. By nature rejoined a gym maybe you know I do like swimming. Oh yeah.
1:03:04Swimming is really good from a creative like that that's what I have I have all my best ideas
1:03:08and we have to discuss this I have all my best ideas in water that's why I have really really long shadows because it's
1:03:14right to sit and think I'll stand and think OK that makes sense because lot
1:03:19when I last visited your house you were discussing with me this engineering problem that you're having where you wanted
1:03:24to have a minimum of sixty minute ninety minute long showers hot showers
1:03:29and for the bombers the plumbers were telling you about how this was not possible
1:03:34and you knew you were basically saying make it possible
1:03:38and they were going to be additional boilers that were installed on the upper levels of your house is satisfy you.
1:03:44Norma's quantities of hot water that you require for your morning shower.
1:03:49But this makes more sense now because if you're having your best ideas there this is like a business expense so is this
1:03:55makes way more sense. Way more sense.
1:03:57Yeah just just so that people don't leave commits an email me because that would have been to real pain in the
1:04:03but I do not have sixty minute showers
1:04:05and there was no talk of installing another boy was for me to have them shows that is that why you live with them it's
1:04:10like the word discussed in the no no no you know if you think you've misinterpreted
1:04:15or misunderstood a few things there but I do you have unusually long showers
1:04:19and they might desire for long showers was a factor in deciding some of the equipment we had instilled in him says punk
1:04:26things right yeah
1:04:28and the water reserve that's right you know the the like of the like a water company had to build a new reservoir
1:04:35and I create a fund on a kick status as I could I could have my shadow is here.
1:04:41Anyway I do have very long shadows but all your best ideas come in water.
1:04:46Yes How do you know I do more creative in water for some reason
1:04:50and I don't want to stop now before I send any more like a lovely darling no no it's of my most creative main Its
1:04:57when I'm in the water. Darling it's just because you're separated from all the other stuff.
1:05:01Taking a shower it gives your brain a little moment to relax and make some other connections
1:05:06and make you think he's winning is going to be the same thing right with with swimming your your you were forced to be
1:05:13separate from other stuff yeah it's like when I
1:05:15when I go to the gym I'm very conscious of not listening to podcasts not having something that occupies my mind is not
1:05:21quite the same as being in the shower or your brain really is just all on your own listen to music instead
1:05:27but it's like twenty five percent that so I'm not surprised that swimming swimming is
1:05:32when you have all your creative
1:05:33and yes some more swimming for Brady the shell can say the shells one place way you can sort of be on the Internet
1:05:40and on why five that's not true for Destin deafness Face Time To me from his show before that's not even that's not
1:05:48going to lie I would believe it it was for it was family friendly by the way before people make silly comments
1:05:56but let them as nations around while Brady in that man's got to get the maximum out of every hour of the day.
1:06:02Shall we do.
1:06:04Corners corner we have so we have so many corners now that we need a corner store over corners this is just a hello
1:06:09internet polyhedron what people do when listening to the head of Internet put craft corner very good.
1:06:15I better here's some paper.
1:06:16Yet some type it I've gone for a few more just normal ones this time I feel like we've been upping the ante
1:06:23and raising the bar so much that short of I don't know what
1:06:26and Eilean I don't know how we could put the right we've been having lately so so I want to go back to just a bit of
1:06:33normality
1:06:33and also you know I want I want none of the listeners to know you don't you don't have to be a fighter pilot to listen
1:06:39to how the Internet it helps but you don't have to be so here we go this is Mike Mike is a.
1:06:46Fission or magician and mind reader he says I make my living by doing impossible things which is a good thing.
1:06:52He's addressed this e-mail to me in money because I don't think that sentence would go down very well with that
1:06:57but then he thinks he can expect to have most of my work is intertwining guests at weddings However couples a terrible
1:07:04planning their big day
1:07:05when I turn up to start entertaining people they're always running light I therefore have to wait around before
1:07:09starting the magic and mind reading I take this opportunity to listen to. Hello Internet.
1:07:14It puts me in the right mood to do amazing things. Following your recent discussions on free will.
1:07:20I've used as a theme in the magic someone makes an apparently free choice and I show them I predicted that beforehand.
1:07:26This really freaks them out.
1:07:27The are nice because there's no free Well that's why I get freaked out exactly I like this one this comes from Martin
1:07:37from Canada and my wife
1:07:39and I took a road trip to the east coast of Canada in May this year it was nearly six thousand kilometers over twelve
1:07:46days and before you ask. He's put in brackets. Three thousand seven hundred miles for the robot.
1:07:51Thank you my wife who is a professional musician
1:07:54and was doing a performance to it does not drive a standard transmission so I had to do all the driving myself we were
1:07:59able to listen to episodes one to twenty six and half of twenty seven on that one trip
1:08:06but some marathoning That's amazing.
1:08:09Has anyone listen to more consecutive Hello Internets in one in one batch than that I'd love to hear from you if you
1:08:15have Martin has since caught up and he appears to be on real time now so he says he is listening.
1:08:21Normally like some kind of peasant It is a sad moment
1:08:26when you catch up on a pod cast that you like I know that feeling of going through the back catalog
1:08:31and as like are now or now. Now I have to wait.
1:08:35Arable it is bad like that with watching that box it's to have to see a big series that I've been really getting
1:08:41getting really into and I just finished and then we went to download the next series and I was like it's not out yet.
1:08:47The haven't even made it yet but I want to watch it now.
1:08:51We were attacked we were peripheral I tell you what it is it's The Good Wife
1:08:55and it's a really good show we really enjoyed it
1:08:57but we're not we're caught on with it now let me tell you listening to the two of you just melted the hours away.
1:09:05You're able to put my mind into some magical with Zen like try to
1:09:09and I can't thank you enough for turning what would have been utterly awful amount of time in the car into a wonderful
1:09:14trip.
1:09:15Here's the best part I was so happy that as soon as I got home I mediately became one of your Patriots that's pay
1:09:22Korean dot com slash hello internet is that right. Is how Internet Slash'em Internet gallon you know you want to.
1:09:29So thank you Martin.
1:09:31But I got this email from this person code Thomas who is a student and he had like a car crash
1:09:39and he wrote his car over and he sent me a picture of the crashed car but he said I can't share it
1:09:45and he said he crashed his car he said when he crashed I was a bit of a panic mode
1:09:49and thoughts rushed through my head and I have to say the moment somehow though Internet
1:09:53when you spoke of the Hard as nails mentality. Push to come down and get myself together and get up out of the car.
1:10:01Thankfully I managed to come out with only minor cuts and bruises
1:10:04but I don't think I would have had the guts to get at with that you would grade my head now I know he's taken that
1:10:09making I don't think the Brady I think they're going to be using Brady hard as nails as a visualization tool in the
1:10:17military soon do you think you're going to be telling guys you need to be more like Brady get through this.
1:10:24Offered up mentally I mean I know you're joking cry
1:10:27but I'm enjoying it so that the reason I want to re to actually cry was I want to ask you if you have been in the car
1:10:35crash. Yeah I was in a car crash.
1:10:39You sound I may be almost ten years ago now eight years ago it's been a long time but you know
1:10:44and that this is something I did not know that something you'd ever talk about her as a sort of a private matter
1:10:50and I just said I mean just like you know it's just it's a car crash we were my wife and I were T.
1:10:55Boned going across an intersection and anyone hurt or York.
1:11:02OK it was one of the things that was it was shockingly shockingly lucky because one the guy T.
1:11:09Boned us directly outside of the police department so there were a general police
1:11:16and people there immediately on the scene which is very reassuring because they were in the building right right across
1:11:22America happened were also very lucky because the car.
1:11:26Oh most flipped over
1:11:28and if it had it would have landed on a bunch of children who were waiting for a school bus on the other side of the
1:11:33intersection
1:11:35and then to top it off the thing that was quite relieving to me was that we was a Toyota Prius that we were in
1:11:41and my wife and I will never ever rent
1:11:44or drive a car that does not have side impact air bags now because the medical people on the scene were like yeah your
1:11:52wife would have died if you didn't have side impact air bags here I would have been fine
1:11:57and my wife would have been dead.
1:11:58Fellow you're getting a car check out
1:12:02and make sure they have side impact air bags it is a necessity for us at this point so we always cherry Where way was
1:12:08in America was yeah I was on one of our road trips in America has a Change your attitude to driving.
1:12:16Yeah a little bit I have been a little bit more gun shy about driving ever since then.
1:12:22But the problem is also that this was the last big road trip that my wife and I did
1:12:29and it just so happened that very naturally I have driven very very little since then normally because I've been living
1:12:35my whole life in London I very rarely even the America where my parents happened to be I usually don't need to drive
1:12:42very much at all so I haven't driven a whole lot since then and it's a combination of just not needing to
1:12:49and also being like slightly hesitant about driving because of that.
1:12:54The autos are coming soon so I don't really have to worry about it in a couple years.
1:12:57Thought that without the smashing into each other all the time when I
1:13:00when someone hacks the network now that I'm not worried about
1:13:03but I have honestly I've honestly been just ticking down the time until autos are available because I can't wait to do
1:13:09another road trip in a self driving car like when and when I can get my hands on a real self driving car.
1:13:14I will definitely take the time to do another road trip because that will seem like magic
1:13:20but magic that I have been waiting for my entire life I cannot wait to do that.
1:13:24Hurry up autos I've just got a quick one here from eally A O L E A from Baron whose Witsel
1:13:30and just saying I know I can't possibly one up some of the other submissions to the corner
1:13:36but just for the sake of diversity I want to let you know that I'm a corporal in the Swiss military
1:13:40and I listen to the podcast a lot while driving to the shooting range.
1:13:44Helps calm me down and focus so I just thought that was a nice one. I'm a I'm really fascinated by the Swiss Army.
1:13:52Yeah why I'm so if you if you want to email again a way to tell me all sorts of stuff about what it's like being in the
1:13:58Swiss Army and all the hidden all those hidden bases you have
1:14:01and do you get given blood do you have a swiss army knife to the Q fuels.
1:14:05Sam enough unless we saw me knows they have to have a swell
1:14:07and I'm more of a Swiss Army the same out was to show would be it would be madness if they didn't have Swiss Army
1:14:13knives in the swiss army like standard issue. Entered I don't I get to choose color or do they all have the red handle.
1:14:18Now I've got to be red military uniform.
1:14:21Everybody gets the red handle on I think a Swiss army knife is it was one of the best presents I have a call from my
1:14:26dad a Swiss army knife is the best present that any father can get his son through his soon to the kids old enough to
1:14:33be trusted with something sharp. Swiss Army Knife is the way to go.
1:14:36Do you still carry a PA like a multi to I don't carry it with me
1:14:40but I have got us I've got a Swiss army knife here on my desk that I use I use all the time
1:14:44but I don't carry it with May around away from home the a user a lot like it sits on my desk in my pen part that's how
1:14:51often the thing about like a father giving his son the Swiss Army knife thing is you mediately realize all the
1:15:00circumstances under which it is actually quite handy to have a little tool around you like as soon as you have it there
1:15:05are a million circumstances under which you want to use it so it's army knives very cool cool.
1:15:12So let us know if you have one.
1:15:13Ilia there a guy says some listeners I've got lots more Keep them coming I really enjoy them and I'll I'll try
1:15:19and dribble a few more out of the time as gray lets me cannot do a quick plane crash Congress I couldn't possibly stop
1:15:26you well before we do this let me tell you this let me give you the proof the prelim here.
1:15:32My wife was away for the weekend a few weekends ago and it just so happened that coincided with a stamp
1:15:42and postcard fair coming to like a local school where I was so all these.
1:15:48You know how these things work I don't know how stamp
1:15:50and postcard fares work I've no idea which talking about basically lots of dealers of you know stamp sellers
1:15:56and postcard sellers and things of this John.
1:15:59Oh OK It's like a trade show but the trade shake on it yet like that so I get a big school gymnasium
1:16:04and I set up login those typos and they sell their wares and I love I love this
1:16:09and because my wife was away because my wife's like a real get to the point kind of woman whereas I like to just browse
1:16:14for hours
1:16:15and hours I can see that I can definitely see that so I said this is brilliant so I just went there for hours
1:16:22and hours and I just sat in the chairs and went through all the posts I'm not that into stamps
1:16:26but I'm into a lot of the that's kind of what you call all the stuff that's the word the Phils fillin
1:16:33and I stuff to do with postage
1:16:35and stuff like that I really enjoy for the Lalage e Finland silat Anyway I was going through the stuff I was having I
1:16:41was having a great time and then suddenly I saw a little section in one of on the one of these tables
1:16:46and it was code at had written crash my oh this was a new thing for me to switch to video.
1:16:54I'll get well into this I go home to her we got to switch to video now OK because if the video because I made some
1:17:00purchases.
1:17:03Let me show you would have let me show you what I mean it's really I have been recording the video of my screen
1:17:08when you said let me make some purchases because you had just the brightest twinkle in your eye.
1:17:16So excited like a little boy.
1:17:19What I can't wait to see with this is these are in their protective plastic slaves were home be able to eat you told
1:17:25that you tell the viewers what you say could can you get a good look at that oh no there's it looks like I'm looking at
1:17:32a and on the loop and says well it's as handwritten address on it
1:17:37and says damaged damaged in plane crash in one nine hundred fifty five that can write in like it was a place there's a
1:17:46step it's Hollywood but not that holy Hollywood different Hollywood so so there's that set
1:17:53and that that damaged in plane crashing is like stamped stamped on it there's a handwritten letter
1:17:58and here's some more there's a there's an there's there's another there's another letter
1:18:02and that one you see on it says they're salvaged mail from an air crash in Prestwick and nine hundred fifty four
1:18:10and this is this one here was you know was in a shipwreck here
1:18:15and it's gone them planets I damaged by a mission in sea water had it look so damaged that
1:18:19when you did does looks it looks exactly like what you would ask a Hollywood person
1:18:23and make it as a prop for a piece of paper another one
1:18:26and here's one last one this one this one's got scorched this one's in terrible condition.
1:18:30Yeah this one looks like it was in a fire or something so basically So it's a net
1:18:35and now you are reading the personal correspondence of the dead from plane crashes that's what you're doing it's not
1:18:40the person it's not the personal correspondence if you are you don't have to look at many more if you don't want to you
1:18:46can't all you can on how great it's so weird I'm going to going to minimise Iraq.
1:18:50Basically this is it turns out these things called Crash covers or crash is is a hope.
1:18:55Subjoined are of collecting Oh I love the world sometimes when a plane crashes I mean quite often is
1:19:03or is carrying postage obviously a mile in bags underneath the plane and if if the Mayo is recoverable.
1:19:11What happens is the mail agency will get
1:19:14and now stamp on it with a stamp saying this because in a crash of the village you need to explain why it was July to
1:19:20what looks a bit worse for wear
1:19:22and things like that right a person moves a person still receives that are though I put a rate
1:19:27and do what I want with it but sometimes the on Violet not the lesser self but they own the like is retained.
1:19:34Finds its way into these collecting communities
1:19:37and becomes quite a cherished item this is the ACA you know a letter that survived a plane crash is considered a
1:19:43collectible thing an interesting thing
1:19:45and I found that so fascinating I got so taken by the idea of a of these little mementos that had gone through this
1:19:51adventure and come out the other side that I couldn't help myself
1:19:54and I spent more money than I should of buying them
1:19:57and I'm sort of up in looking up a little bit about the actual crash is that these letters were in a planning on a
1:20:03moron a blog or something you know in all about them until this story because I've got really into it
1:20:07and the tonight I'm not going to rule out maybe even buying some more if I get a little bit addicted
1:20:12but for now these five and I'll take some pictures of them
1:20:16and we'll put them in the shower nicer people can have a look at them as well but I just thought it was a nice thing.
1:20:21Something different for a plane crash go into and it might not be quite the right fit
1:20:25but this feels almost like it could be a bit of a lanyard video on something for objectivity.
1:20:31Men know the objectivity focuses in on on Keith and his work
1:20:35but yes this is this field like it could there's something to talk about here of these other drugs representative of of
1:20:44these events you know you're right that's exactly In fact that's exactly why would a through stupid that I didn't think.
1:20:50To do
1:20:50or are sinking off I knew you had a You Tube channel that has something to do without objects I kind of lose track of
1:20:58them sometimes it's understandable that they will do.
1:21:02Yeah yeah yeah you're right I hadn't a company I hadn't thought of that I would I mean obviously most of the
1:21:07objectivity videos to focus on the Rossetti but there's no hard and fast rule
1:21:11and we do sometimes freestyle elsewhere so I would do on my personal objects
1:21:16and tell the story of these these on flex one day good idea you know you could you could good idea great you should not
1:21:22you cheaply is for a living I should I should give that a go. I hear that I'm mostly a park after these days.
1:21:27Well it seems like it you know you are you are an online Swiss Army knife very generous of you.
1:21:34Let's let's quickly try my new experimental corner as the final corner in Brady's corner of course.
1:21:43I suggested that we talk about things we are obsessed with as a kid as a little corner.
1:21:50Yeah you brought this up last time
1:21:51and you also Message me this morning asking me to try to think about things I was fascinated with as a child that I
1:21:58feel fascinated with as an adult and I was having a difficult time with this
1:22:01and I felt like you were getting really frustrated with me over its message which is many of our conversation we often
1:22:07on different wavelengths for their instant messaging that's what Clarkson
1:22:11when the something I want to talk about you're like oh yes I mean message I'm like Can I just Koichi Yeah you know what
1:22:16I will I will give you carte blanche to just call me you can just call me any I would never call you with that I would
1:22:20never call you with that warning right now you can just call me it's fine it's fine I'll see that happy Brady face on
1:22:27my phone and unlike every other time when my phone rings and I assume.
1:22:31Ogata must be some kind of emergency I think I can eventually train myself to the think Bono is just Brady
1:22:37and we need to talk on the phone because we can't really talk very well
1:22:40and is the messenger because I am terrible at understanding what your just have you come up with something that you
1:22:47think might fit and I'll tell you if you've done well
1:22:50or not I understand you don't yet understand this corner so I won't judge.
1:22:54Tony
1:22:55and I don't blame you can understand it because basically the the nature of this corner right here I know the nature of
1:23:00the corridor is read Brady's mind yeah yeah OK so that I had something brought that you didn't like
1:23:07but then I realized oh actually maybe there is a little sub sub thing here but.
1:23:13As a kid I was always fascinated by robots I always just love robots as a kid I have lost the little robot toys
1:23:21and as as you do with a kid like you'd think about robots and an amazing future with robots
1:23:27and maybe one day being a robot and like that that was a kind of stuff that I know the kid me used to think about
1:23:34and that adult me still does think about
1:23:37and has the feeling of the future kid me was waiting for is finally arriving
1:23:42but that I am still very interested in developments in robots in the modern world.
1:23:46Does it fit what you were looking for in this this good yeah.
1:23:51Did you have like did you have of oh your robot toys did you have like a fight you for that one that sticks in your
1:23:56mind the most like you have any you know you mentally related robot toys I had tons of Transformers
1:24:03and I had just lost a lot I remember like in wood shop class you had to build something I tried to build a robotic arm
1:24:12and was very sad that of course is just made out of wood and it's not a real working arm that can do anything.
1:24:19Had just trying to I'm just trying to pull it up here because
1:24:23when I was last in America my parents were trying to go through some of the stuff that they had left over from my
1:24:30childhood
1:24:31and one of the things that were going through was as a mentor before on the show that my mom was a flight attendant for
1:24:39United for very many years and
1:24:42when I was a little little kid she used to bring me toys from Japan because Japan was her regular her regular flight
1:24:51and she brought me when I was a little kid.
1:24:54These transformer robots but they were also the letters of the alphabet I had those for forever
1:25:02and I absolutely love them as a little kid
1:25:04and it was a bit of it was it was quite the blast from the past as a grown up to find a box full of these things
1:25:11when I went back and I was going through some old stuff in my parents' house last time I was there.
1:25:17Would you describe yourself as having more of a collective that at shoot to the robot so we head into playing with them
1:25:22unlike bashing them against each other and making them do things would you like to sort of display them
1:25:26and cattle love them and have them on the shelf and collect a set
1:25:29and that So now I was totally into playing with them as a kid I was not a I was not a collector a kid I've always been
1:25:35rather rough with the object that I own so no I was not that I was not displaying them prominently did you have to make
1:25:41robots like you know I kind of Lego McConnell type things.
1:25:45No I never really made robots but I always was very interested in can.
1:25:50Or programming
1:25:50and I was always frustrated by some of the limitations at the time of like you can't really do anything with this in
1:25:56the real world
1:25:57and I do look with envy at some of the stuff that's available for kids these days with relatively simple robotic tools
1:26:03that are programmable and I think oh man I would have loved that as a kid but it was not available to me.
1:26:10Them we sort of like a young visionary
1:26:13and you're aware that the robots of the future wouldn't be these kind of unite humanoid C three POS
1:26:18and they were more likely to be take a different form all was little naive great thinking we'd all have luck
1:26:23Bicentennial Man living in a house and fixing coffee
1:26:26and things like that no no I definitely even as a kid was always thinking like oh these Star Wars robots they're fun
1:26:35but they're almost like trolls
1:26:37or else they're not real that this is not this is not what people working in robotics are really going for so I was I
1:26:44was very interested in like some of the very primitive robotic stuff that was around but I was aware
1:26:50when movies were just being movies like you know the Johnny five movies like short circuit with Johnny Five Alive it's
1:26:56like OK this is just like you would be awesome of robots were like this
1:26:58but this is just a total fantasy even though real robots are real thing
1:27:03but this is not a real representation of of what they are.
1:27:07Robots robots goes on Grace List
1:27:09but the now my understanding is that this corner is really just stuff really want to talk about corner so would you
1:27:14want to bring up my my one for the LIST today that I was obsessed with is going to be extinction the whole idea of X.
1:27:23Animals going extinct like completely fascinated me as I go out I just thought it was luck had everything it had like
1:27:32nature and drama and you know a day
1:27:36and the we didn't bring up your own mortality as well no I just I very rarely extrapolated the extinction of animals to
1:27:44the extinction of humans
1:27:46and I think that's something that came later I think I mean obviously dinosaurs foremost in a young Brady's thinking
1:27:53when he's thinking about animals to go extinct
1:27:56but also as a young Australian I think the the pin up boy for extinction is the Tasmanian tiger.
1:28:05So the thigh listening as it is also known as a little boy
1:28:10and strata aside dinosaurs of course the the the pin up boy of extinction is testimony in Tiger.
1:28:20I am unfamiliar with the Tasmanian tiger.
1:28:22See also you're going to say of course like that's bit of a cliche
1:28:26but then one of these moments where I realize this isn't a striking thing the Silas nane the last one died I think in
1:28:33nineteen thirty six
1:28:34and it's like oh I do know this thing I do know that you know I've seen pictures of this it is one of the Along with
1:28:41like something like the Dodo I think it's one of the cliched animals that went extinct animals.
1:28:48Sorry that's obviously Rio roof a very fast and because I could go to like the South Australian Museum as well
1:28:54and see like a stuffed one certainly is just want to be told they no longer exist that was caught.
1:29:00Scott powerful thing
1:29:01and I think extinction still has quite a powerful hold over certain have my brain what do you think about extinction
1:29:08and you kind of this kind of you know pragmatic Well that's part of you know the way it's the nature works
1:29:14or do you think of as a kind of pollution thing as well that has a has an effect on you I mean it's just it's it's both
1:29:23things that if the problem is I think the term in the industry is talking about charismatic megafauna that we have as
1:29:32humans.
1:29:33Great over emphasis and concern for charismatic big animals
1:29:38and you are much more concerned about the extension extinction of say pandas even
1:29:44when panda's seem to be doing everything they possibly can to make themselves extinct.
1:29:49Pandas just want to lay down for a long sleep and humans will not let them because we love them
1:29:53and their door ball so it's like extinction is a very very broad brush thing where there's many there are many
1:29:59creatures where it's like oh mosquitos if I could snap my fingers
1:30:02and make them all extinct I would so it depends on who you're talking about with extinction would be petted mosquitoes
1:30:09went extinct there one of these things were all but there are porn part of this whatever.
1:30:13Cycle and or they just bad news all around. If I'm a bad news all around.
1:30:18They're bad boys at Iraq thing that I've looked into it is that people usually argue about oh there's so many things
1:30:22that eat mosquitoes but there's nothing that mosquitoes are the majority of its diet and K.
1:30:27So animals would that you know they had they figure things out if the mosquitoes were gone they would just eat some
1:30:32place the more of something else
1:30:34and frankly much more concerned about the suffering of humans than I am about the suffering of mosquitoes.
1:30:42Right
1:30:42or a bird somewhere being slightly more hungry so it has to even additional caterpillar like in the grand scheme of
1:30:48things I'm going to say that the human suffering matters more because humans are able to conceptualize the suffering
1:30:54but doesn't the balance then get thrown out like you say I would've stayed in the bed late next to Caterpillar
1:30:59but then suddenly too many caterpillars get tipped over the balance and then this does
1:31:03and that has been so whenever we mess with things for what we think is the greater good.
1:31:08Don't we always not going up with me what you mean.
1:31:11Always like have you seen civilization is a civilization is nothing but us constantly messing with stuff
1:31:16and the next game it is easy to focus on the part of the west out of our animals What are some animals we've driven to
1:31:24extinction or one that nobody
1:31:26but the OK But now now you're talking about a specific thing about with extinctions you say whenever we know it with a
1:31:31new baby. Example of getting rid of all the mosquito.
1:31:34Yes I'm not saying we should build roads or have cities or have running water
1:31:41but I'm talking about you said you'd be happy to get rid of all the mosquitoes.
1:31:44Yeah I would I would without a doubt I would without a doubt.
1:31:48Snap my fingers and roll the dice on getting rid of all the mosquitoes I'm not even saying you're wrong.
1:31:53Right you're probably right.
1:31:54I'm just wondering if you can for my intellectual curiosity tell me another animal that way.
1:31:58Watch out it's quite possible we have I don't know maybe there is an animal that was just bad news
1:32:03and we got rid of some little bad bug or something it would be. It would be an animal might go to example is polio.
1:32:12Although you can argue whether or not polio is alive or not
1:32:15but that is something that we certainly drove to extinction you know what no one's no one's cry
1:32:19and said here's over polio
1:32:20and how it knocked over the internal ecosystem of humans where do things like any kind of parasites you know that you
1:32:26try to get rid of him he would populations like we've What is it like tapeworms in the United States are basically
1:32:32extinct and you know what the ecosystem in the U.S.
1:32:35Is in isn't worse because of that I'm not going to rule out extinction has universally bad it depends on what is going
1:32:41extinct. I was I don't tweet me environmentalist of the night.
1:32:48Oh I didn't realize clothes just look I went out to get paid to look at an extinct animals before hand because you know
1:32:54I'm no expert at the first one of the top things that came up was that there was a whole page dedicated to animals from
1:33:00Al could out favorite Reunion Island that is going to come yeah which risk which I didn't realize it was such a famous
1:33:06island that has its own extinction page so I thought
1:33:10and I'm going to go through the list profit I'd give a special shout out to the reunion.
1:33:15Swan pen Yeah because you know you are like a tree three things you do you do love your arbitrary high I know I know I
1:33:24I know we've got a soft spot for the African penguin because this one named after you write I was wondering whether
1:33:29or not you'd let me name the reunion swamp in the official bird having internet broadcast no no
1:33:35and I are just if I give you a nice if I give you an inch on that Brady you've been hearing everything the something
1:33:40or other official thing of hello internet how does that if a few How does it affect you.
1:33:44I don't know that we have been since you birds I don't even know how it affects me
1:33:50but shouldn't shouldn't clearly the penguin be the official bird of all the animals you have to pull out of the hat is
1:33:55a community a penguin.
1:33:57Well no I think it should be the reunions won't pan right yet and I'm sticking with that
1:34:03and if you don't if you can give me a better reason why I can't pay.
1:34:08And if we can't have an official bird of the park this is the Google thing all over I don't have any reasons I just
1:34:16feel so resistant to it for thought what was the like if we were going to have like an official flag obviously that's
1:34:23has to be a joint decision.
1:34:24Right Things like the name and logos and things
1:34:28but surely an official bird of the podcast which he couldn't give two hoots about you just let me have an official bit
1:34:34of the park as kind of like you have official I guess the official flower of a podcast like a Florida should probably
1:34:40be that I'm a G.
1:34:41Way sent me I don't think I want to go I want to go with the reunion swamp in as their official bird because I also
1:34:50think it would be a really good trick question in pub quizzes at the future
1:34:55when people are yeah what is the official bird of hello internet.
1:34:58Everyone will say the African penguin right
1:35:01and it's like no question see what exactly the reunion small pen write the extinct reunions want pain that this is like
1:35:10the What animal is are the canary Isles named after like are now is not birds not canaries dogs cannot say so that's
1:35:21what you want.
1:35:21Alright fine for pub trivia purposes you can have your union flop an excellent Now the next thing I want to I want to
1:35:29talk to that reunion swamp and take share.
1:35:35No I was looking at other now that we've now that we've cleared that up I wanted to I also didn't realize this because
1:35:42I'm obviously don't know enough stuff on especially about America
1:35:46but I didn't realize the California gristly on their slack is extinct.
1:35:51I didn't realize that either since it's a nine hundred twenty S. California grizzly look at I'm looking at right now.
1:35:58California good liberal but we still have grizzly bears.
1:36:01Yes yes but not that not that one not that iconic one and extinct species of Ridley
1:36:11but it looks like a grizzly bear I couldn't tell them looking at this picture thinking I can tell the difference
1:36:17between this and a goodly where
1:36:18but I'm looking at a picture of a grizzly bear you have character in fact there's look at this picture
1:36:25and I was like that look just like a grizzly
1:36:27but it the caption was this is a grizzly which is the closest living relative to the thing that we don't have the where
1:36:34they bigger.
1:36:35What was the biggest bear ever see that's the point it was smaller than it's like OK well whatever
1:36:40but if they're bigger than modern Grizzlies than than as a little filing you know that the the loss for hikers in the
1:36:47woods because Americans love things that a big added as if the abbey as a big advantage as a ten percent bigger you
1:36:55know one thing I always notice
1:36:56when I'm in America compared to other countries how much more often the food the merits of food is advertised by the
1:37:04size of it.
1:37:05How else are you supposed to measure food Brady will put that Lee but it's never like this is the healthiest
1:37:11or this is the most delicious all this it's always this is twenty percent bigger than the other one of the it's now
1:37:17fifty percent bigger than it was last week.
1:37:19You now get to you and it's even cheaper than the ways
1:37:22but it's volume I don't know I don't know how else you would measure food that's the right thing with food I was
1:37:30looking up at the American animals that became extinct because anybody care about America most the time.
1:37:37Yeah that's a that's that's fair as human as the ex bath the Jamaican rice rat.
1:37:45Could we have an official Russ right
1:37:46and no we can't have one of the this is exactly this I promise I promise this wasn't planned beforehand this is coming
1:37:53to my head now
1:37:53but I did notice they want to see that point kinds of rice rats with them tell them during the Ross rats you should
1:37:58have read the rest of the thing is you don't have to plan it ahead of time this is just what happens with you I don't
1:38:06like don't get me wrong I wasn't thinking that you were scheming about how can you get an official rice rat I just know
1:38:13this is the path down which we have started now that I have given you an inch
1:38:17and we're going to have an official everything with the pod cast
1:38:21and several pod cast from now we're going to have to have a little section where you decommission the rice rat because
1:38:26you realize how ridiculous it is because the rice red community didn't respond to you with the gratefulness that you
1:38:33thought you should have received.
1:38:36That's where this initial Let's read a book going I think it would be brilliant to have an official rice rat have many
1:38:41pod cast can claim to have official Rice threats and imagine if all of a podcast
1:38:46or decided they would like another one decided that they would have the marsh Rice read that original rice rat I don't
1:38:53even know to Russ right is I'm not even looking at the page because it doesn't even matter.
1:38:58Even matter what it is clear that is the Brady fascination that the well well well I'm calling it the Jamaican rights
1:39:07right the official right throughout the broadcast that
1:39:10when your other anyway we must get an official flag of the podcast.
1:39:19Yeah we have that we do
1:39:20but you must we do have to dig for it could have a little I could never do Jamaican Russ right at the center of it.
1:39:26No we already have two designs that we're talking about we have we have to narrow down from the two that we've got sick
1:39:31but that's news to me it's very good news you have to tell me what those two you might send me the to know the Sydney
1:39:37one the other day and you said no I want to think about it and you never got back to me that sounds possible.
1:39:42Extenuate was talking about extinctions at some point
1:39:46but I think I think we've probably would said that to my list of things I was obsessed with the cicada along with
1:39:53volcanoes and I think we have extincted that topic it is we're done with all right now I would
1:40:00and now before we move on I would just like to give a moment's silence to the extinct Jamaican restaurants fish
1:40:08restaurant attached.
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1:42:43Last pod cast as many put cats before we found speaking about flags the Super Bowl of flags that is currently going on
1:42:54in New Zealand
1:42:55and boy has it been a drama full couple of weeks since we put out that pod casts could we have times the podcast any
1:43:02better basically came out the day before they put their long list down to a short list of four it's almost like they
1:43:08reacted to a podcast and we kind of set the wheels turning in New Zealand I said I carry Brady and grass bike
1:43:15and it's time for us to sort this crap out.
1:43:17Honestly it felt that way to me even though I have to keep reminding myself like you know New Zealand didn't do this
1:43:22because you just relief the podcast but somehow in my mind the next day
1:43:27when everyone was saying that they've come out with a short as I was like oh yeah I'm glad they finally did that now
1:43:32that we have if you have given them the kick in the butt necessary to get the next stage of this moving
1:43:37but there was not a reason to look into incidents
1:43:40but I did find my brain somehow taking credit for the so they have narrowed it down to four.
1:43:46Amongst which they must choose one to go head to head with the current flag some steps.
1:43:52Yeah so now here's the thing as I was a little bit confused
1:43:58when we were talking last time because last time we were talking about the I said the short list because I thought we
1:44:04were at the shortlist stage but in the last episode I should have been talking about the long list that with the four.
1:44:10Already. Semifinalists in this competition.
1:44:14Thirty nine because one got struck out on copyright grounds and so what I thought was going to happen.
1:44:20Was Of those forty I thought that forty was going to be put to a vote in the Alternative Vote method that they are
1:44:28using in New Zealand where people could say all right one two three four there was in my favorites
1:44:33and then I'm done with it that's what I thought was going to happen but that is not what happened.
1:44:39The committee then selected Of those thirty nine four and the
1:44:44and those four are the ones that New Zealanders are going to vote on that that is what is going to happen next.
1:44:52Says I have a public via on those four and then another public vote on the winner of those four versus the current one.
1:44:58Yes that's what's going to happen and both these votes done with people turning up to the polls
1:45:03or is there some kind of online component to this seems silly to have people actually go to the polls twice this is a
1:45:09question I don't know if I don't know if they're going to physical polls for the vote
1:45:13or if it can be done online if New Zealand is one of those modern countries like is Donia that has their act together
1:45:18and let people vote on things online
1:45:20or if like America you still need to treasure out to the physical voting polls somewhere I do not know the answer to
1:45:27that.
1:45:28OK Anyway even this narrowing it down to four has plenty to talk about yes this has been I would say quite contentious.
1:45:39So if.
1:45:40If we look at that if we look at the for there is the core root design I know I mentioned last time which is the black
1:45:47and white spiral design is the best movie scribe it yeah there is one flag that is just a fern going across the
1:45:57diagonal and one half of the flag is white with the fern having black leaves
1:46:02and the other half is the flag is black with the fern having white leaves
1:46:07and then they chose to designs that are exactly.
1:46:10The same except for a palette swap with have the New Zealand fern on the left side of the flag basically
1:46:20and the Southern Cross on the right side of the flag and one of urgent of this is red white and blue
1:46:26and one version of this is black white and blue but they are essentially the same flag
1:46:34but this means that of the four designs two are functionally identical
1:46:41and three are very very similar because the other black
1:46:45and white fern flag the furnace in the same kind of diagonal direction it's just missing the Southern Cross
1:46:52but it's really three very similar flags one different flag
1:46:57and I have to say we were discussing last time that the Zealand had just an over abundance of excellent flags to choose
1:47:05from. Yeah and this narrowing down to four is terrible it rich sites I've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
1:47:15Yeah yeah I have to agree with us be I'm going to lay my cards on the table right now I'm a big fan of the courtroom
1:47:24design the black and white spiral I like that I think if I was living in New Zealand there's no choice
1:47:30but to vote for that one just I think it's the best of these four
1:47:34but even to me it feels like if that wins it is an illegitimate victory because it is up against.
1:47:41The mediocre east of competitions and also just hard to differentiate.
1:47:47Competitions so it even if even if the core ruins I will feel like I was it should have been up against stronger flags
1:47:55and one so I'm looking at this I'm thinking if I have to put money on the table I might actually predict the New
1:48:02Zealand doesn't end up changing their flag.
1:48:04Geno why it has occurred to me that is how thing has been sabotaged this is what happened with this trial Ian in my
1:48:11opinion which is just not just one person
1:48:14but I'm going to cut out the In my opinion poll Yeah you just gotta tell you story and I've made mention of before
1:48:20but there was this famously a lot of a stratagems thought that strategy should become a republic
1:48:25and then there was a group that thought we should stay you know under the under the Monica a manner
1:48:29and it was a strong feeling that the reason we stayed as part of the monarchy was that the the vote between the
1:48:38Republicans was very cleverly split it almost like they think they pitched at the Republicans against each other about
1:48:44which model of Republicanism should be used right.
1:48:47They split the Republican vote and therefore the morning he won the day.
1:48:52Fair enough and then
1:48:53and you were using a first past the post vote so yes the strategy is to split the alternatives are to split the
1:48:58opposition
1:48:59and then yeah so that I feel like that's kind of what's happened if you wanted to keep the current New Zealand flag the
1:49:05best thing you could do is serve a bunch of lame options.
1:49:10And it almost I ask I mean not a New Zealand politics from Adam but it almost feels like maybe that's what happened
1:49:17but there's a few things to talk about here is lot going on I don't necessarily think it's a bunch of lame options
1:49:22but
1:49:22but the problem that I think with these three similar fern flags is that it makes it hard for anybody to feel like they're
1:49:30really backing one of them because it almost makes you doubt yourself when you look at them
1:49:35and you think who do I like it better with black in the corner or do I like it better with red in the corner.
1:49:41They should have just pick one flag with this fern design in the stars and then had two other different flags
1:49:49and make the choice clear for people I just think it even people who would have liked one of these flags under other
1:49:56circumstances will find their like of the flag diminished by now.
1:50:01Second guessing themselves with color palettes or slightly different design elements.
1:50:05Oprah is this not a son maybe of Michu a decision making I mean if you were designing the hello internet logo which he
1:50:12did by the way when you were designing the hello internet.
1:50:15I'm sure you thought of a few different things and then use eroding what you wanted as you got further
1:50:20and further down the process and I'm sure towards the end you probably had the big shot in the middle
1:50:25and you just you just faffing about with little mana changes to the border
1:50:29and slight changes of the shade of gray that you were thinking about and should dismiss a bit to the left
1:50:34and a bit to the right as you get closer to a decision would it not be the case that all your options start looking
1:50:40more and more similar and you're just fine shooting pallets and colors
1:50:44and if they are getting close to their final flag does not make sense that you've got to the signed with slight color
1:50:49differences I disagree because I think this is you're talking about the work of one designer working on one thing so
1:50:57this is what you should expect the designers of each of these individual flags to be doing like I'm sure the guy who
1:51:03was designing the core rule was homing in on that design
1:51:06and then figuring how far over do I want the spiral to be how thick should the spiral be that's very natural for that
1:51:12kind of work so you think that process is over
1:51:16and done with that at the time for that finishes what you're saying what I'm saying is that process is how you come up
1:51:22with the individual designs but the whole thing with the committee is selection between designs
1:51:29and so I feel like a fundamental part of that is to pick different designs.
1:51:34Right and to let people vote on them and so that's why I just I don't agree that this is like a narrowing down.
1:51:41Situation
1:51:43and you don't think the committee saying look we actually think they in day is the best the one with his pal a switch
1:51:49from red and black
1:51:51but we don't know which one of the which color should be there so we went eagerness to decide on their own by the way
1:51:56he's a career
1:51:57when another fair I wouldn't be surprised if this is a result of the the commission themselves having some split
1:52:05between these two color pallet swaps
1:52:08and this is almost almost the app absolute perfect example of bike shedding right where everybody likes to argue about
1:52:14the color of a thing and there are guys he couldn't you couldn't have just made the decision
1:52:20and pick pick one of the like this is your job as a committee as it I feel that there's something weird going on with
1:52:27the decision making here
1:52:28and then part of the scandal of what has happened in the past several weeks is that one of the women on the committee
1:52:33had to admit that you have a conflict of interest because she's on some government board which is which has the job of
1:52:39spreading the fern imagery across the great nation of New Zealand.
1:52:44Oh OK Well that's interesting
1:52:45and then we get three of these designs it's as if it's been it's been an interesting an interesting process to watch
1:52:54and see if you want to mention the the copyright thing.
1:52:59Well well there is that to actually suspected this last time because last time
1:53:03when we were talking eventually how you thought the versions of the firm that was being used.
1:53:09Didn't quite ring truth a little narrow bit rounder denied lacked the nice ages of the one associated with the opex
1:53:16rugby team the best land on the best looking one
1:53:19and a has turned out that that not slightly look better looking one used by the rugby Association was sort of struck
1:53:28out because of copyright the Brooke because we you know Eason asinine So the had to kind of slightly adapt it
1:53:35and make it look a bit different so they could get around this copyright issue which goes some way to explaining why
1:53:40the fans.
1:53:41Do look a bit different I think the rugby people should have you know been the big man here
1:53:47and let it go I think New Zealand you had one job your job was to have a black flag on it that's all you had to do.
1:53:56And the rugby people had to step aside and say look we're so awesome and I like I say
1:54:00or some of that now transcends just rugby
1:54:03and it's also going to be a flag that actually probably has some benefit in my it hasn't benefited them I can
1:54:08understand what their concerns with the pain but I think there had to step aside or the government had stepping
1:54:14but they had one job they still had an option that was the fan on the black flag that didn't make the final and
1:54:20and they haven't done a and I think it's I think there are bunch of silly beliefs
1:54:24and one of the arguments that was going around is this how it looks like ISIS especially I guess
1:54:30when it's not flying probably interactive might look like this.
1:54:34Islamic state flag that a lot of people associated with the you know hosts
1:54:41and people think it might look a bit nasty
1:54:44and the dumb argument I think that Saddam I can you know make a decision about a flag for the indefinite future based
1:54:51on the particulars of politics today and the black is such a striking color on a flag
1:54:58and unlike many other nations like New Zealand has a legitimate claim to the color black.
1:55:04If you if you have that you run with that if the either thing is dumb enough to serve absolutely dumb.
1:55:13Yeah
1:55:14and it was well the prime minister who play didn't said that to be black on the flag a current member who was in having
1:55:19a look now it was a year the Prime Minister John Key said he wasn't Kanan on a black background.
1:55:28Another interesting thing that's come up I'm sure there are other things you want to talk about great is there's been
1:55:32this kind of a light contender for an for a new flag to be thrown into the mix.
1:55:36Yes this fifth this fifth option a locked case or minds me a bit of that.
1:55:43That Dan Brown book was the Dan Brown book that set the Vatican and when they're and they're voting on the pope and
1:55:50and the last minute they just have a wild card comes in the room and they Aleck Tim like by acclamation
1:55:55and he wasn't even part of the original vote.
1:55:58I quite like I was even the happen in the West Wing as well
1:56:00when the Democrats were deciding who was going to replace bottom I had like a last minute person come in here
1:56:05and they've gone through the primaries I know I like the idea of that some some last minute flag coming in
1:56:11and not been properly vetted and sweeping in and becoming a contender. What do you think of that flag.
1:56:17Yeah and look at this a thing that has happened it has been that big of an Internet campaign for this flag.
1:56:23Called the red peak and this is their minds me of you showed me that flag for Earth awhile back
1:56:30and one of the pod cast where someone had done a mock up of how does the flag for Earth look under various situations
1:56:36how does it look in space how does it look you know on the side of a building on the side of a ship
1:56:41and someone has done that for this red peak slag
1:56:44and while I was not really sold on that flag of Earth I have looked at this red peak design and I have thought.
1:56:50Sold I am one hundred percent sold on this I think it looks good I think it's a strong option
1:56:57and they like this to me is exactly the kind of different sort of design that should have been in the final four min
1:57:05it's very different for the listeners the red peak is if you imagine there is a triangle upright in the center like a
1:57:13pyramid from the base of the flag up to the top middle of the flag that is white there is a smaller red triangle within
1:57:21it that is the red peak and then the left hand side the space above the triangle is black
1:57:27and the right hand side the space of the triangle is blue.
1:57:30Saw I would say like first glance you don't I say it's like a Red Mountain with snow all over it and the sky
1:57:38and one half is black
1:57:39and the sky on the other half is below its beautiful Brady It's that pure poetry which is saying there.
1:57:45That's exactly right to New Zealand doesn't amount
1:57:47and says Say Yeah it does it does in the design page runs through why they talk about it
1:57:54and this to me just seems like it should something like this.
1:57:57Or this flag should have been in the final for something different something that is unrelated to traditional images in
1:58:05the way that we think of it like you can you have four options pick one that is something modern That is just something
1:58:12different even though I generally think that the the colors red white and blue are way over used on flags.
1:58:19Something about the ratios
1:58:21and the way this is done doesn't bother me at all it doesn't faze me in the slightest those red white
1:58:26and blue so I think this is a really really strong design contender for a New Zealand flag my problem with the red
1:58:35paper is that it doesn't like a national flag to me it looks like a semi for signaling flag
1:58:42or it looks like something that you should be using to communicate to another ship to keep to the left
1:58:47or something it doesn't say nation to me it says like I've got utility I'm just a useful flag that's used in a car race
1:58:55to warn you that this oil on the track ahead things like that I can see where you with me that comparison
1:59:00but I like it I think it's I think it's a good design if red paint had made a into the short list against Corey which
1:59:08would you have gone full access as a tough question I I might still go for Kaoru overread peak
1:59:20but this going back to my earlier complaint would feel like if Core one it would be a legitimate win
1:59:25and of course the last I could have no complaint with red peak as the victor that's minus all thought some I'm looking
1:59:33at it right now there is a there's a petition on Change dot org that needs fifty thousand supporters to I don't know
1:59:43whatever the trying to reach on on on change dot org But they're trying to hit fifty thousand petitions enters to get
1:59:49the red peak flag as an option for the fifth flag in the referendum I think they have exactly a snowball's chance in
1:59:57hell of ever getting this on the referendum vote no matter how many people signed the petition
2:00:02but I am still going to tweet it right after the pod cast because they have twenty four hours ago
2:00:07and they are about three thousand signatures short so I would like to help them get to their goal if I possibly can
2:00:13even though I don't think they even if they make it they're going to get on to the referendum
2:00:16but they totally should be there. If if coterie wins would you vote for that over the existing use own flag.
2:00:25I would vote for. Kaoru over the existing New Zealand flag without a doubt same with rhetoric.
2:00:31Would you vote for either of the other three finalists if they make it through versus the existing is in fact which of
2:00:38course is a moot point as you get to vote at all
2:00:39but you have of course not I get voted off I mean here's here's the thing I just don't think New Zealand flag is great
2:00:47at being a flag again it is not distinct its conflicts too confusing with us trail you it's it's too much in the past
2:00:58so I would vote for pretty much anything over it
2:01:01and if I'm ordering it I would go yes a Koran number one red peek Number two I would do just the black
2:01:09and white silver fern as number three the black and blue silver fern with the Southern Cross next
2:01:19and at the bottom of my list would be the major league baseball looking flag which is the red white
2:01:25and blue silver fern with the with the Stars The problem with the ones combining the Stop the phone
2:01:31and sort of the Louis look of the out flag is the one thing I shouldn't do
2:01:36and that is it's it's the one thing you fear a committee would do is compromise and have a bit of everything.
2:01:42Yeah that's exactly right
2:01:43and like we were site isn't this great looking this is a great dive dive in Boulder CO great designs that I've been
2:01:50really visionary that all sorts of cool stuff and then they sat down as a committee
2:01:55and then made the committee decision made a big plan stupid compromise what's your order here Brady because on my list
2:02:01implicitly the current New Zealand flag is at the bottom so how would you arrange things including the current New
2:02:07Zealand flag you know this how splitting the vote to keep the existing fled conspiracy theory.
2:02:13List just about worked on my file would file would almost hold off and say let's give another ten years
2:02:22and come back when this G.P.
2:02:23Committees overtired
2:02:25and that's get decent committee to know of it you can't do that Brady because that is like the alternative vote.
2:02:31Thing that happened in the U.K.
2:02:32Where the whole campaign to split the vote was well if we if we change to Alternative Vote now than will never change
2:02:39in the future
2:02:40and that is not a valid argument if you can make progress now even if it's not all the progress you want you should
2:02:46take it so you take a smiley face just to get rid of the existing flag I'm saying progress I don't think a smiley face
2:02:52flag I well for having current you do since I finished my so I said it's almost worked on me OK.
2:03:00I wouldn't take the car I'm sorry I think I think it's I carry I think it's I don't think it looks like a flag at the
2:03:05works you don't have to like the flag so I wouldn't I won't take the car I would take the black
2:03:12and white fair because it's the closest to what they should be doing right OK so the black
2:03:17and white fern is your number one yeah.
2:03:20Bodhi narrative the current New Zealand are recruiting read pick let's include red peak I'm including repeat the
2:03:26current New Zealand flag is my number two number two red Paik is my number three number three black and blue thing.
2:03:36Kaoru red and blue thing they have ever had and flew for it is just awful.
2:03:42Yeah it's just it's so look like Major League Baseball to me but I just have set up for
2:03:50when I say again I cannot believe they didn't get the plain black flag with the silver fern on it's it's amazing to me
2:03:57and mazing the papal Geneve the people didn't even get say Ana you know I can understand why the people in charge of
2:04:06the All Blacks might might want to fight the government.
2:04:10About using the same flag I can understand that
2:04:15but it is just a real shame that that's the way things of things have gone down because you you are totally right as I
2:04:21said I think you said the first time we've ever discussed as you said it was the most obvious choice in the world
2:04:26and look where we are now.
2:04:31Good luck New Zealand's good luck I don't know
2:04:35when the vote happens I see what happens immediately after this pod cast goes I was just I was just reading it looks
2:04:40like I must be online or because
2:04:42or by mail because it goes for a long time choosing between the for the first referendum goes from twenty November to
2:04:49eleven December for a long time
2:04:52and then the Super Bowl next year between the two is the third to the twenty fourth of March.
2:05:00We'll follow up then with live commentary but for now from maybe from Gray from the reunion swamp in
2:05:07and from the Jamaican rice rat have a pleasant evening. We're having technical difficulties. Be happening.
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