00:00:00 ◼ ► Adding on the ground is warning a I'm about to touch my microphone I finished watching the markets right now I haven't [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► and our club can see ships going by that I recently found out there's a website that is a bit like those flight [TS]
00:00:26 ◼ ► Loser Now whenever I see a ship I called up this Web site and I can look at what it is [TS]
00:00:34 ◼ ► All of that is that is very cool nudist at a very cool if I have to say I am way more interested in that than than [TS]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and the idea of a gigantic ship that is filled with cargo containers is extremely interesting to me so I would be very [TS]
00:00:57 ◼ ► interested in seeing the live ship tracking Web site in a way that I would be not so interested in seeing a live [TS]
00:01:04 ◼ ► aircraft tracking spreadsheet website even though they're almost the exact same thing if I could arrange for us to do [TS]
00:01:16 ◼ ► That's interesting we could see the pod cast from a container ship they take a long time though they take a long time [TS]
00:01:29 ◼ ► and I think the university is Dhabi and he's caught environmentally conscious and doesn't want to fly and [TS]
00:01:36 ◼ ► when in the US to go to conferences in America he goes on container ships that is way worse. [TS]
00:01:44 ◼ ► Those enormous container ships put out put out on godly amounts of carbon dioxide that's being environment that they [TS]
00:01:56 ◼ ► Yes but the plane is flying anyway this is the kind of environmental stuff that drives me crazy. [TS]
00:02:04 ◼ ► By doing a thing that sounds better but is actually worse that kind of stuff I eat that stuff. [TS]
00:02:12 ◼ ► Like what's is alternative everybody start taking cargo ships if everybody does what he does [TS]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and the demand for cargo ships goes up and we're in a much worse situation that is just I hate that stuff. [TS]
00:02:24 ◼ ► Sorry the University of Nottingham chemistry department who are so if we see much love to me in close to my heart [TS]
00:02:33 ◼ ► and it's like the world class environmentally friendly building it's made of wood and things like that [TS]
00:02:39 ◼ ► and it was nearly finished that nearly finished building about a year ago and there was a fire. [TS]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and the amount of grief they're getting there you know people jokingly saying are carbon neutral. [TS]
00:02:51 ◼ ► You've just been burnt the whole post Echo would and so going up into the cabin to come straight back up into the sky. [TS]
00:03:02 ◼ ► Sometimes I find some of the environmental stuff is the equivalent of intentionally burning down a carbon neutral [TS]
00:03:08 ◼ ► building traveling on the cargo ship is is is equivalent to that to me I don't know I don't know I haven't I haven't [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► and I have I don't I am sure people it's nice it's what will hear about I may be wrong [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► but my impression is that there there are votes are there are far fewer cargo ships than you think there are [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► but that they have an enormous carbon footprint I just thought it wasn't the carbon it's other chemicals that they were [TS]
00:03:42 ◼ ► and their carbon emissions on catastrophic it's the it's the other poisons people innocent I people are smarter than us [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► the Internet will know vastly more about this topic than we do just was wildly speculating [TS]
00:03:58 ◼ ► Yes this is a great tradition now and I'm just going to do is imposed on us because people people. [TS]
00:04:04 ◼ ► Very sensitive to have a voice is and and our emotions in at moods so people might think I sound flat [TS]
00:04:15 ◼ ► This wake my father in law who was very very much loved by all of us including me. [TS]
00:04:25 ◼ ► and we've had to reschedule the pod casts no sorts of things like that and it's a terror terrible loss of the family. [TS]
00:04:30 ◼ ► I won't talk too much about him on the pod cast because frankly he was a he was just a real down to earth man [TS]
00:04:41 ◼ ► and he was a he was a he was a proper man's man but he did like my work because it provides for his daughter. [TS]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Wrist and rest in peace today who I really really loved and I tell you what has the final week [TS]
00:04:54 ◼ ► or so with him also taught me what fabulous people the people who work in hospices and even [TS]
00:05:01 ◼ ► and things that are probably going to see me raising a bit of money for hospices over the next few weeks so you'll [TS]
00:05:09 ◼ ► So that said there was some uncharted found out something interesting as a result later in the week because we went [TS]
00:05:19 ◼ ► Obviously this does paperwork and things like that when people pass away so it's this registrar's office [TS]
00:05:26 ◼ ► and I found two really interesting things about death certificates that I didn't mind one is that all the registrars [TS]
00:05:42 ◼ ► but it's the special into that use that you then stick the you know the fountain pen in [TS]
00:05:47 ◼ ► and do all the signing with presumably for sort of forensic reasons so they can say yes this was registrars Inc that [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► when we were having this to fix it printed out the registrar said how many certificates would you like because you know [TS]
00:06:14 ◼ ► you need a number for dealing with all the different banks and things like that so we said enough [TS]
00:06:26 ◼ ► So she pulled out this the sort of the watermarked paper from a drawer in her desk [TS]
00:06:35 ◼ ► and out printed the certificates on to the special paper which she then signed with a special ink [TS]
00:06:48 ◼ ► and she told me that these bits of paper that I print death certificates on and Versa to focus [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and things like that is also highly secure and a blank piece of that paper a blank a four piece of paper that U.K. [TS]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and versatile ficus a printed on those sell for five hundred pounds on the black market a blank piece of paper. [TS]
00:07:12 ◼ ► and the death certificate that recently they had changed to that I believe they used to be different [TS]
00:07:17 ◼ ► but now I think the same is not amazing life beginning and ending on a piece of paper. [TS]
00:07:22 ◼ ► Well that's a whole other thing but it is it is there is a funny sort of paperwork failing to they things isn't there. [TS]
00:07:30 ◼ ► She was telling me that one time from her office is a cipher got stolen they used to have a small Sykes that that was [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► where able to pick up and the safe got taken taken to a local park and somehow they opened it [TS]
00:07:42 ◼ ► and I took out all the petty cash and then the police code said you want to come and get you say back [TS]
00:07:50 ◼ ► and reams of this paper with five hundred pounds a shared laughter as the case of the fees not knowing what they have [TS]
00:07:58 ◼ ► Those druggies man I've got a lot to learn about the value of peace and hope those was of had egg on their face. [TS]
00:08:08 ◼ ► Five hundred pounds for a piece of paper it's amazing that the value of something like a birth [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► Yes presume Presumably you're trying to create a fictional people with birth certificates I imagine they're probably [TS]
00:08:21 ◼ ► using it for birth certificate or the death certificate or and to do things to do with citizenship out imagine [TS]
00:08:26 ◼ ► and things like I guess getting to live in countries not supposed to live in that's what they're what the paper for the [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► Interesting yeah so also as a result of that sort of it's in my family this week I haven't sort of been exercising [TS]
00:08:47 ◼ ► and often aging out a lot and doing a lot of that sort of thing so I have abandoned my diet for the last week [TS]
00:08:59 ◼ ► but I did I did give myself some time off so I think that's that's more than fair. [TS]
00:09:05 ◼ ► Thank you thank you say I have I also have not weighed myself because I dare not look [TS]
00:09:11 ◼ ► but also I can't find my scales at the moment because their houses being majorly redecorated at night [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► and everywhere in Moscow I was a hidden away in an office somewhere probably under a pile of books so I am I am [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► We shared the points that I first why and I'm going to force a point I mean we couldn't we could not do weigh in [TS]
00:09:35 ◼ ► but I think that would be fair on that because you have a message vantage next time [TS]
00:09:40 ◼ ► and so here here is here's what I think we should do OK I think it's special circumstances this week that the point [TS]
00:09:51 ◼ ► but I'm going to start from this point right because yes if we are we were ourselves in a month you are like a week [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► and a half behind if you see what I'm saying so while I have a victory this week in terms of weight loss I don't want [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► this to actually go on the on the chart was winning more points than other point I don't care why did the grass feel [TS]
00:10:19 ◼ ► and if you were able to come back from adversity and win anyway. Yeah and we can give me. [TS]
00:10:27 ◼ ► There are one point well I give I win by one point I don't want that situation. Ok called the C.R. [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► This is good I like this is a win win for me because I can do the epic come from behind victory [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► but if I got it right it doesn't matter I thought you might agree to this is an area in which it's all upside for Brady [TS]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and I was thinking Man All right this is I'm not going to I'm not going to let Brady when I'm all in on this [TS]
00:11:05 ◼ ► and in the way of these things I lost less weight than the first time around which I didn't think I was being very good [TS]
00:11:11 ◼ ► at all so I am down two pounds which is point nine kilogram couldn't fight crime again why myself I might get the point [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► anyway I'm going to say when I'm gone from this guy was under those books and find it just in case. [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► He's actually gone away now and I'm just sitting at home listening to the sounds of Brady pushing around books boxes [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► I hope you do in our internet listening to just me rambling on while I wait for Brady I hope he gets a point [TS]
00:11:52 ◼ ► and genuinely do I hear hear the sound of his turning Brady giggling in the background. You know it's funny. [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► Hello yeah I actually just took like oh my clothes us by the way I like after I retire James often my things that I [TS]
00:12:19 ◼ ► Hang on I'm going to check what the previous way was you need a spreadsheet I had to make a spreadsheet for that I like [TS]
00:12:26 ◼ ► New York with the going to keep track of my app does Assange. Would be so glorious if you win anyway. [TS]
00:12:33 ◼ ► Irony last point two of a kilogram. What do you think point three I lost point nine R.K. [TS]
00:12:44 ◼ ► and I'm going to take it on because I feel a bit exposed I go you know what yeah I would feel really uncomfortable if [TS]
00:12:50 ◼ ► we did the rest of the pod gathered you just in your box a short arms going to do a [TS]
00:12:57 ◼ ► or I don't know if it doesn't matter like it doesn't make any difference to the practicalities of it [TS]
00:13:01 ◼ ► but it would just feel weird to the I just didn't get it then they get dressed. Of has a good start to the show. [TS]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and you know what even if you weren't I'm just glad to know that you are just you know like I hear those words [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► and now I feel like I can relax on my replace that I've even lost why did also that's a real victory for me that's [TS]
00:13:27 ◼ ► My opinion on this stuff is the absolute values don't really matter now what matters is the trend line about [TS]
00:13:37 ◼ ► and any anything that a last number even if it's a tiny last number that's still totally a win in terms of health [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► and we have seen over the messages from people telling us all the things we're doing wrong and what matters [TS]
00:13:48 ◼ ► and doesn't matter but to me it's it's not even about that it's about seeing numbers that motivate you [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► and even if the numbers are a shame it doesn't mean anything if they motivate me to stay healthy for another wake lay [TS]
00:14:13 ◼ ► Off pasted lots of little things in here but there are over. E.P.T. and I'm just going to go through them in a P.T. [TS]
00:14:20 ◼ ► Yeah we have a bunch of little things to go through so my think the is this show is probably going to be follow up [TS]
00:14:29 ◼ ► but it says as a lot of little topics let's let's start going through some stuff the first thing I see here is that you. [TS]
00:14:35 ◼ ► Someone found some of the dead whale footage you were mentioning from last episode to episode where I was kind of me [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► because really we talked about the dead while near Adelaide and all the shock sleeting and the to risk being stupid [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and I still have a lot of friends who work in television in Adelaide so I called one of them up. Thank you. [TS]
00:14:57 ◼ ► Even my friends at ten Eyewitness News and and if you're in if you insert a strategy [TS]
00:15:03 ◼ ► or even in Australia make sure you watch Channel Ten used this way because A has a little thank you. [TS]
00:15:09 ◼ ► Sorry to all my friends who work for Channel seven Janet and zero sum game that way. [TS]
00:15:17 ◼ ► So and I have found some to the footage where my friend found it provided to me I have made available. [TS]
00:15:31 ◼ ► and maybe it was a figment of my magination I have not found someone holding a child standing on the while [TS]
00:15:40 ◼ ► and this is actually not an uncommon thing in fact it's happening at the moment of the strategy at dead while another [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► but the one that I was talking about from where we wanted to show it near Adelaide I now have the footage [TS]
00:16:00 ◼ ► when it was anyway it was a sort of footage that normally would be able to find on your trip because it was two out [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► Still think in this show noted for you not just any shock leading a day wow rattle Ajax Adelaide sharks that makes them [TS]
00:16:21 ◼ ► but I'm I still am I'm still insist someone did something stupid holding a child so eventually got some more e-mails [TS]
00:16:28 ◼ ► out of the media friends in a strata my quest is not over here you're going to track this down I'm going to get there. [TS]
00:16:35 ◼ ► All right all right now another picture that I was sent that I found interesting is this one has no Internet as a sleep [TS]
00:16:51 ◼ ► If you click on the link they're the top of the show nights I have clicked this I have the latest from Jeff who has put [TS]
00:17:02 ◼ ► Using what appears to be average society episode say Happy to help her often fall asleep to pod cast at audiobooks they [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► do sometimes have that effect. Yes I have I have a theory about this because I have also seen people on Twitter. [TS]
00:17:32 ◼ ► but it does always feel a bit I know people who use podcasts for the explicit purpose of falling asleep [TS]
00:17:47 ◼ ► but my theory is that the commonality of the people I know who use podcast to fall asleep is that [TS]
00:17:55 ◼ ► when they're trying to get to sleep they find that their brain is racing your brain is doing that thing where it's [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► talking to itself about all kinds of stuff that you can't do now because you are about your in bed yet going to sleep [TS]
00:18:06 ◼ ► but your brain thinks this is an excellent time to think about all the emails that you haven't replied to [TS]
00:18:10 ◼ ► or you start thinking about taxes that happen to you it does appear at my most I my wife is big one for this [TS]
00:18:17 ◼ ► and she does use audio books in that way if she is she's a she's buzzing too much shit sometimes I just need to put an [TS]
00:18:23 ◼ ► audiobook on for ten minutes because I'm thinking about where cool a lot of work that needs to be on tomorrow in the [TS]
00:18:33 ◼ ► but it does happen every once in a while where I'm going to use the phrase of it feels like my brain is just talking to [TS]
00:18:39 ◼ ► itself you know like is just like is talking away about stuff like shut up brain shut up this is nothing you can do [TS]
00:18:49 ◼ ► and so my my theory is that pod cast an audio books the reason that they work is that they're engaging the language [TS]
00:18:58 ◼ ► part of your brain that your brain can't talk to itself while it's listening to something else. [TS]
00:19:04 ◼ ► and I think that's why pod casts are effective for helping people fall asleep there might be people drifting off into [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► slumber at this very moment. Yeah she wishes we enjoy Thing them a lullaby really so it's very loose. [TS]
00:19:25 ◼ ► but yes so that is that is that's my theory anyway that the linguistic part of your brain is getting derailed so it [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► and I think that's why many people use pod casts an audio books as a way to fall asleep. [TS]
00:19:37 ◼ ► It makes perfect sense to me I think you're on to something you should draw a paper about a baby however. [TS]
00:19:46 ◼ ► No I'm not I'm not good with how well babies are I'm betting this baby can't talk that probably could have gone to [TS]
00:19:54 ◼ ► Well baby the babies you can turn them off with white noise if you just play white noise for babies. [TS]
00:19:59 ◼ ► It's like a it's like and neurological shutdowns which it's magic. Supports the right to sleep. [TS]
00:20:05 ◼ ► Babysat the only people I know that doesn't mind sleeping to white noise I do sleep till I know it as well [TS]
00:20:10 ◼ ► but it doesn't put me to sleep. It's if you can take a baby and put it to sleep sometimes of white noise. [TS]
00:20:17 ◼ ► It's it's it's really interesting in fact I seem to recode sharing a hotel room with someone who really shares hotel [TS]
00:20:28 ◼ ► Asa Schiavo saying keep you thought it was cute that I meant white noise you are asleep you like [TS]
00:20:37 ◼ ► If if that's if that's what you want to that's how he want to think about it if we did share a hotel room. [TS]
00:20:44 ◼ ► when we knew each other far less well you'd never do it now I was a that was a long time ago in San Francisco for you [TS]
00:20:52 ◼ ► to believe you come I believe see we couldn't do it now because now that I know you better I would feel more empowered [TS]
00:21:01 ◼ ► That's exactly it because we're better friends now I could actually trust you less [TS]
00:21:07 ◼ ► but we were much more like strangers you have you have the social contract still holding things together [TS]
00:21:17 ◼ ► I'd you know I'd wake up with something indecent drawn on my food there you've got a lot you need to look yourself in a [TS]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Now I seem to have struck a nerve of some people with my talk about saying that Explorers don't really exist anymore [TS]
00:21:40 ◼ ► Come so yes I'm sorry everyone I was being a little bit general and the people of Puerto there use exceptions [TS]
00:21:52 ◼ ► Anyway what is OK right I'll let you go I feel that you've got more to say about this than me. [TS]
00:22:01 ◼ ► Gave a definition that I thought was a really good one I don't know this is original to them [TS]
00:22:06 ◼ ► but the thing that they wrote is an Explorer is someone who travel somewhere possibly not known [TS]
00:22:24 ◼ ► and without being able to contact anyone that can help them I don't know if that's perfect [TS]
00:22:31 ◼ ► but I thought that's a like this captures a lot of the things that I think in my mind [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► and particularly that last part about not being able to contact people who can help you [TS]
00:22:46 ◼ ► and then the first part of not having a good expectation of what the place will be like [TS]
00:22:54 ◼ ► That's what exploring is if you know what it's going to be like before you get there I'm not sure if counts as an [TS]
00:23:03 ◼ ► and the the example that I want to bring up here is someone sent a link to this guy who discovers a new rivers that he [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► and explore it's sort of I couldn't quite figure out why in my mind I thought I don't feel like this really counts [TS]
00:23:32 ◼ ► You know what the force is going to be like It's not like a surprise when you find a river [TS]
00:23:39 ◼ ► It's purple you know that's not you know what a river in the force is going to be like [TS]
00:23:46 ◼ ► and the person probably has abilities to get in contact with people who want to help them I think if you're going down [TS]
00:24:02 ◼ ► and terrifying book a while back called The River of Doubt which was about Teddy Roosevelt's expedition in Brazil. [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► Along what was called the The Rio de Dieu be at the time which was then given the the vastly inferior name River [TS]
00:24:19 ◼ ► Like River of Doubt is such an awesome name you know the Roosevelt river is snow boring falling asleep even saying it [TS]
00:24:28 ◼ ► was a River of Doubt sounds like a a chapter and getting things down if you are in that time of Teddy Roosevelt's [TS]
00:24:37 ◼ ► and you are doing an explanation because it was looking it up. When was it the so that's right. [TS]
00:24:44 ◼ ► This was after his failed reelection campaign as the Bull Moose Kennedy in one thousand [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► Along a river that nobody has any idea what all its tributaries are I'm going to count that as an explorer. [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► and fifteen if you're still finding Rivers I don't think it's it's a remotely comparable situation on not girl does too. [TS]
00:25:14 ◼ ► Oh I thought so I think it is a bit like Oh that little tiny river there now in Linda but yeah [TS]
00:25:20 ◼ ► and I hear here's my question to you the example many people brought up is deep sea divers What are your thoughts on [TS]
00:25:29 ◼ ► deep sea divers being explores Yeah I think there is a degree of exploration going on there I think [TS]
00:25:36 ◼ ► when someone jumps in one of those mini submarines and goes to the bottom of the trench [TS]
00:25:42 ◼ ► and they're exploring that's exploring your Explorer I think even James Cameron was an explorer [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► and I was in the first of the I think that was exploring I agree completely that was the best counter example of deep [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► and even though you probably don't have sort of people in caves to a lot of people doing stuff in case I think can can [TS]
00:26:06 ◼ ► also get away with calling themselves explore us that cave stuff is terrifying that they are the people who explore [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► when I I care where heard I heard somebody gas talking about an interview with the people who've gone down to one of [TS]
00:26:28 ◼ ► and it's just just terrifying terrifying just in in the total darkness off I'm not one hundred percent sure I count [TS]
00:26:39 ◼ ► but I'm going to say deep sea divers are on ambiguously modern exploring using the definition that you gave a moment [TS]
00:26:50 ◼ ► and I can ANY what to expect to a fuck if they didn't really they could communicate with people that could help them. [TS]
00:27:03 ◼ ► but that definition doesn't help on the whole are it doesn't help them a whole lot it's my mind's rubbing up against [TS]
00:27:09 ◼ ► something with that's not going to the moon I'm going to I'm going to give it to them [TS]
00:27:14 ◼ ► but I feel like there's something something in my brain is is is going against us for ever so slightly [TS]
00:27:22 ◼ ► but you know I think maybe the thing about the contact is even here going to the moon the people on the ground can help [TS]
00:27:30 ◼ ► you but maybe not out of all kinds of situation a lot of the time the hope is just saying it was nice knowing you. [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► Except for the scene in Apollo thirteen which the like my favorite movie scene ever of we have to make we have to make [TS]
00:27:45 ◼ ► this to go into this this port with only using these materials that this is probably one the best movie. [TS]
00:27:52 ◼ ► Surely your favorite saying in Apollo thirteen is when Gary Sinise spends hours and hours [TS]
00:27:56 ◼ ► and I was trying to please check list in the correct order I don't I don't remember the members I had to power up the [TS]
00:28:02 ◼ ► LEM that I had to do it in a certain order so they didn't go over a certain vote each [TS]
00:28:09 ◼ ► Yes yes I do remember that I do remember that now the scene are trying to connect they were trying to connect the air [TS]
00:28:15 ◼ ► input to the oxygen scrubbers I think that there was no now they had to get the rug they had the wrong shape. [TS]
00:28:20 ◼ ► See eye to scrub or they had and they had to make a scrub or of a different shape fit a different whole basic rights [TS]
00:28:29 ◼ ► but I don't know there's something that Vista really gets me about that is dumping the materials on the table [TS]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and we have a limited amount of time that we need a bunches lard engineers to figure it out that's the kind of help [TS]
00:28:44 ◼ ► but it's it's it's very different from you know you missed the moon you're going to fly off into deep space [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► and just die well sorry so exciting news. Gray has given me the password for the hello internet. [TS]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Patriarch account which means I can have postings into a picture on fate which I think you see even more bang for your [TS]
00:29:09 ◼ ► Because I feel like you could give more love than you gave that is definitely true. [TS]
00:29:14 ◼ ► I could give more love than I give the page on feed so now I will endeavour to also go in there occasionally [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► and nuggets as a small thank you for those people who give just that little bit extra to help make this podcast possible [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► but Brady you have your plans you going to post updates from the Penguin So what you have now I would like to develop. [TS]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Have you got any kind of rules I mean you gave me the password very very without any kind of conditions is there [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► I I trust you entirely with this with this thing you are you are free is a bird. Thank you John. [TS]
00:29:56 ◼ ► or if you're one of these people who is is following it in that way as well stay tuned as I am leash the power as Brady [TS]
00:30:08 ◼ ► and earlier internets ready for that it would be amazing it would be hit would be quite a sight so I had a realisation [TS]
00:30:19 ◼ ► the other day as you know I had two copies of getting things down I had a hard copy [TS]
00:30:33 ◼ ► but I I sold my have copy on e Bay Yup the one with my notes scribble over it was purchased by how Internet listener it [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Yeah you sent it to me to sign and then to hand on to the lucky winner of that auction I hate to admit it [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► but I actually tend to turn a profit on that book the the funds will be reinvested into the purchasing of toys which I [TS]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Let me be me I put them on a cheap so that in fact it's already being spent on various. [TS]
00:31:11 ◼ ► And I had a sudden realisation older people say is it claims that if you are not completely satisfied with your your [TS]
00:31:20 ◼ ► book you can get your money back and on your i never return things if I have something I lack. [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► and it's a really difficult process where you have to navigate through a field of alligators [TS]
00:31:43 ◼ ► and things like that can do that very very easily I was went online I picked a box set I didn't walk got my credit back [TS]
00:31:57 ◼ ► So I now feel like I have not lost out as a result of buying those books which I did not you are a net win on getting [TS]
00:32:19 ◼ ► Yes it is it is still hours of your life that's gone although it is our our most popular hard cast episode so far at [TS]
00:32:27 ◼ ► least according to the new tracking system that are set up so I think we can go into a net [TS]
00:32:36 ◼ ► and yes you're right it is this is not an audible advertisement I don't actually know if sponsors for the show I never [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and I that is one of the things I really like is because I listen mostly to non-fiction stuff and. [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► Very often non-fiction books have a promising first chapter and then the book is just terrible [TS]
00:32:58 ◼ ► and so I have returned quite a few audio books with with a policy so I had a plea I appreciate it because all your [TS]
00:33:06 ◼ ► books are not always super jeep so being able to return one that Scrappy is great I have another e-mail from a listener [TS]
00:33:13 ◼ ► that I want to share with you this is someone called Carter I don't know how much will to read cause car long I always [TS]
00:33:21 ◼ ► like to pick at the points where they praise name particular years of the best part yeah every week [TS]
00:33:27 ◼ ► and because it was it was written to me this is this is someone that should have been written to you as well [TS]
00:33:31 ◼ ► but this is one of those people who realize I would be wasting their time writing to you know I have basically not even [TS]
00:33:41 ◼ ► Help me going to have in fact one part that praise me hearing that I quite liked was I have this number of our video [TS]
00:33:51 ◼ ► Which is all about what happens if you add all the numbers together one place to post for a possible to solve the lever [TS]
00:33:56 ◼ ► and actually comes to minus a twelve depending on depending on various interpretations. Quite controversial video. [TS]
00:34:02 ◼ ► Yeah we talked about that one of the yeah a while back so anyway I could watch her to talked about how he was recently [TS]
00:34:07 ◼ ► at a job interview and was asked to tell the interviewer what is the most interesting fact you know [TS]
00:34:12 ◼ ► and he immediately told him that fact and the interviewer was blown away and offered him the job. [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► but that's not really want to tell you about the path it is interesting to both of us. [TS]
00:34:36 ◼ ► and I would love to have the stars of hell or Internet at our wedding it is the weekend of April second in Chicago. [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► but I'll go if you go now I dry naive through breed I'll tell you working the thing stopping me going cut at a two year [TS]
00:35:02 ◼ ► waiting and I thought your email was brilliant and you sound like an awesome person is not distance or jet lag [TS]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Pensacola into gets the things don't get me going is how or quit it would be being at that wedding. [TS]
00:35:22 ◼ ► Lie because Carter I've been to a wedding of my own and you have a lot to do and a lot of things in your mind [TS]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and talking to someone who does a podcast you listen to is going to be very very minor [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► and the rest of the time on their arms going to be standing around fail knowledge of an idiot. Yeah weddings. [TS]
00:35:47 ◼ ► Weddings are strange events at tending weddings is weird going to other people's weddings are weird they're just being [TS]
00:35:58 ◼ ► at a wedding where you are not where you don't really know the people getting married because I've done this numerous [TS]
00:36:02 ◼ ► times because our films in weddings but oh say it just happens sometimes is is a pretty or could experience [TS]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and I think this will affect or could this to a whole other level so I don't I don't think are good [TS]
00:36:13 ◼ ► but I do wish Carter and his fiance the best and I hope they have an incredible wedding [TS]
00:36:17 ◼ ► and I hope he sends us a picture and if you send us a picture from the wedding I'll put it on the Patriot [TS]
00:36:29 ◼ ► but I will not be with us before I disregard go for a wedding it's really kind of very kind I once went to a party it [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and the same of the party was at Lady had to do something sort of typically or I conduct the Adelaide [TS]
00:36:46 ◼ ► or are you adélie be in love you're Adelaide to characterize So anyway one of the guys had a prior idea which was to [TS]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and there was this one guy in Adelaide he he was a bit strange he was just he was an odd character [TS]
00:37:14 ◼ ► and odd Hi Jane I mean in hindsight probably wasn't particularly well anyway he was a basket [TS]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and he used to do with performances on the harmonica or or something like that or on a little in that organ [TS]
00:37:26 ◼ ► and things and the guy organizing the party photo would be a bright idea to approach him in the street [TS]
00:37:40 ◼ ► and I was like oh my goodness it's amazing it's an Adelaide legend it's very you know he's like a piece of the [TS]
00:37:44 ◼ ► furniture in the streets vet right here is a party and we all thought it was great and you get a few songs for us [TS]
00:37:49 ◼ ► and we gave him a clap and it was brilliant. And then he was just standing there in the room with light. [TS]
00:38:06 ◼ ► and I think the guy organizing the party in hindsight realized this was something that seems like a good idea [TS]
00:38:12 ◼ ► and then afterwards had created a really awkward social situation I think that's what cat it would would think later on [TS]
00:38:22 ◼ ► Yeah that's the that's exactly right there like gods Brady in C G P I love I love your podcast I sometimes focus later [TS]
00:38:31 ◼ ► or three minutes later people would be coming up whispering to him saying catechist can us they take us to leave now. [TS]
00:38:37 ◼ ► Jack Exactly exactly and I can imagine that situation which would be awkward all around for her. [TS]
00:38:48 ◼ ► but I can say they have the wedding was downstairs in my own building I was does our I'm sorry I can't possibly make [TS]
00:38:57 ◼ ► Yes someone sent a fascinating picture to us which was of Buzz Aldrin obviously a man of some interest to me. [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► Selection manner set foot on the well known as a brand ambassador for the I make a spade master on surprisingly says he [TS]
00:39:14 ◼ ► was the first man to wear to make spade master on the moon because neon of course didn't wear his. [TS]
00:39:23 ◼ ► or something like that of some publicity event he's wearing what appears to be an Amiga watch probably space master on [TS]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and it is definitely an apple watch on his other hand you weren't sure which I found surprising because I thought that [TS]
00:39:45 ◼ ► you found that there was in their cold dead faces were were distracting to you or you don't like them [TS]
00:39:52 ◼ ► but yes he is wearing an apple I was out of his quiet small thing in the photo it's not like it's a big zoomed in [TS]
00:39:57 ◼ ► picture I don't know what an abortion and he's wearing lots of things on his wrists. [TS]
00:40:05 ◼ ► or why didn't we make a joke about you wearing two watches a couple pod casts ago I can't quite remember [TS]
00:40:10 ◼ ► and now here is one of your idols. Sporting to watch I wouldn't code does ocean one of models. [TS]
00:40:27 ◼ ► but kids I could tell the other thing that's interesting though is on the hand where he's wearing they make it it [TS]
00:40:34 ◼ ► almost appears as though he's wearing and I'm with two different watches like it's one band [TS]
00:40:41 ◼ ► but it seems to have two watches attached to it not like yes like he's inserted two watches on to the one that yeah I [TS]
00:40:51 ◼ ► and it definitely looks like he has one band with two Amiga speed Masters on it so that one one faces on his wrist [TS]
00:41:00 ◼ ► and that one faces on the top of his on the top of his are sorry yes it looks like one faces on the inside of his wrist [TS]
00:41:07 ◼ ► and then one face is on the top of his wrist he's either man who wears a lot of stuff on his wrists he says he's an [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► eccentric character as Ochoa it a he to he did it he was part of the great thing is it a great thing that he remains [TS]
00:41:23 ◼ ► Her So what do you think about him wearing two maybe three watches Well what is your what is your thought on the likely [TS]
00:41:31 ◼ ► think I think. I am going to guess that you did the proof of that. Yes of course it is excluded. [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► and that makes be master yet you don't think this is in your future at some point rate I think wearing an apple orchard [TS]
00:41:53 ◼ ► and I think having two space matters on one band is cut it ridiculous like he's managing to go ridiculous both ways [TS]
00:42:01 ◼ ► it's not a look I would go for but I would if it meant being in a space craft with Neil Armstrong [TS]
00:42:08 ◼ ► when I landed on the moon I would wear to work as if that was the price I had to pay to have done that achievement I [TS]
00:42:17 ◼ ► but I don't even give a I don't think it's necessary to where essentially three watches on your wrist to of done that I [TS]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and there might be starting in jail give me around I can see it because like we said he kind of have to wear their [TS]
00:42:34 ◼ ► porch or betime to get the maximum value from a an airport in does have its good points [TS]
00:42:43 ◼ ► You either tell you are there at your other top this new silly future or really classy man of the past. [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Which which Where you going with that theory what's on your wrist right now. Classy man of the past. [TS]
00:42:57 ◼ ► Actually no there is no watch on my wrist at the moment I actually just went back to the state master a couple of days [TS]
00:43:03 ◼ ► ago that I took it off to the pub cost because I didn't want to risk it tapping on the desk [TS]
00:43:07 ◼ ► but it is sitting next to me I'm looking at it. I'm not wearing any watch just at this particular moment. [TS]
00:43:14 ◼ ► and I could be a risk in that it's the most way many many dozens of Graham said they watched the spade master you say [TS]
00:43:27 ◼ ► but it's no way be compared to a person knows significant amount of weight compared to a human being every criminal [TS]
00:43:34 ◼ ► offence every grim right who knows where the red is that is doing the rounding there must be a rounding point somewhere [TS]
00:43:40 ◼ ► I don't want to push to oppose a ranting point that's true that's true maybe yours Gail doing for death will play yeah. [TS]
00:43:49 ◼ ► So on the what do you think that we're going to watch a cent because Could you do it because you obviously do want to [TS]
00:43:55 ◼ ► weigh the Apple wants you to stew like analog watchers Yeah I think it's ridiculous as well I can't imagine ever [TS]
00:44:01 ◼ ► wearing two watches that that is not going to happen yet I still have the the was that my wife got me for our [TS]
00:44:08 ◼ ► Which are which I really like I have kept it I can imagine wearing it on special occasions in the future [TS]
00:44:16 ◼ ► Wearing both the Apple Watch and my nice mechanical watch this is this is not going to happen you have to pick one [TS]
00:44:28 ◼ ► but on most days I am wearing my apple watch if you are going out for your anniversary like for dinner [TS]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and then you decide it with this would be a nice time to wear my class you're my wife would there be a niggling part of [TS]
00:44:41 ◼ ► your brain that would be disappointed that it's going to be like a gap in your data [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► Yeah that wouldn't really Bob you know I just do because Asian asked that once everything is everything's going to be [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► recorded then everything must be recorded for some things I am a completionist But [TS]
00:45:08 ◼ ► but this thing doesn't flip that switch in my brain just a quick little correction from last time I talked about my [TS]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and I mentioned it being mechanical I was actually kind of misspoke there I used the wrong context of mechanical I said [TS]
00:45:26 ◼ ► and it wasn't a computer it is a course watch not a mechanical watch the slow watch doesn't have to get wound up by [TS]
00:45:37 ◼ ► and the Courts Movement I used mechanical in that exact same sense twenty seconds ago. [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► Yeah exactly that that's that's that's kind of we are aware there is a difference between a mechanical watch [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► Yes thats the real watch enthusiastic did call me on so I will I will make that little nod I will also I think over the [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► people who listened to the last pod cast who contacted slow watches about me becoming their brand ambassador on the [TS]
00:46:12 ◼ ► And I was I was looking at that as well they were all there was a lot of cognac so answer [TS]
00:46:16 ◼ ► and as a result the excellent people at Slow who do make that watch that I really like had been in touch I have spoken [TS]
00:46:25 ◼ ► but things move slowly it's a lie so why have you not rush the people I have nothing new to report at the moment [TS]
00:46:37 ◼ ► but I will say in the meantime if you are thinking of buying a slow watch as a result as a direct result of my advocacy [TS]
00:46:58 ◼ ► Now in a to now I need to you know they seem to swim in a very slow might be hearing from people who are just on the [TS]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Yeah just they just need a little bit of a push from an amazing brand ambassador to get them over that hurdle. [TS]
00:47:17 ◼ ► and I will also get back to you let agree with my more fiber review about the whole reading the time in different mice [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► because obviously now I'm doing the first transition from twenty four face back to the twelve face [TS]
00:47:30 ◼ ► but you know we we can't be giving them too much free advertising that right now what with we'll talk about that in [TS]
00:47:43 ◼ ► This is another one of our of our follow up to another favorite topic of as is different occupations of people who [TS]
00:47:52 ◼ ► and I don't know why I find this fascinating listening are hearing from people hearing from people about what they do [TS]
00:48:01 ◼ ► or their jobs while they're listening to the pod cast I love this kind of back that what he what do you have so you have [TS]
00:48:07 ◼ ► in the show here one from that he got in touch he said Is it a hater she got a nice patchwork of behavior she recently [TS]
00:48:19 ◼ ► I listen to it before and after shows I'm a professional bass player an Oreo engineer. [TS]
00:48:27 ◼ ► Semi-literate So is that sounds like a way to call a person to listening to a pocket the second one is I think it [TS]
00:48:34 ◼ ► really ups the pressure on our audio production if we have already a engineers listening it does it does put a little [TS]
00:48:44 ◼ ► Happy the they they will just keep asking for more and more always so we do the best we can [TS]
00:48:49 ◼ ► but I'm not going to even try to make the intense audio files. Happy because I'll always be unhappy. [TS]
00:49:03 ◼ ► Are you this was this centrist and did the a grey as it says Dear who's to see G.P. [TS]
00:49:10 ◼ ► Craig and then in brackets and Brady I guess sounds like it's almost the garage jiggly addressed to me [TS]
00:49:20 ◼ ► and Brady the bird had to the point is is this person going to be that I'm the one bringing up their cover it rather [TS]
00:49:26 ◼ ► than you. After another job where Paypal or at least I listen to the pod cast I work as a drone operator. [TS]
00:49:35 ◼ ► And mother might look cool in the ads it's not most of the time is spent flying I should to the target [TS]
00:49:40 ◼ ► and circling it for hours this is super boring so we operate as fun waste occupy ourselves we've got little games on [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► Power Point which we play to take up time usually only the machine operators not it is usually only the mission [TS]
00:49:52 ◼ ► operators not the operators I quite get that either they mean the people in control of the people who are operating the [TS]
00:50:00 ◼ ► and while I can actually listen to the podcast while flying a real mission this is against the rose I don't know [TS]
00:50:10 ◼ ► I'm sure it's strictly against the rules I did enjoy listening while in the simulator and got very annoyed [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► when you had an episode which was only forty five minutes long said he thought the good work and I will be [TS]
00:50:24 ◼ ► or off the job so I think drone operator has to move pretty close to the top of the list now. [TS]
00:50:36 ◼ ► and certainly never listening to it on a mission because that would be Hichens the rebels against the rose but yes. [TS]
00:50:44 ◼ ► That is that is pretty high on the list of interesting jobs even listening to them to be doing while listening to a pot [TS]
00:50:50 ◼ ► cast at least in the simulator with several checks popped into my head because it's the kind of guy I am [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► when I don't I don't see where this could possibly go wrong there was a very possibly go wrong I'm not upstart I've [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► and draw me back in trying to fish event to give you not get on the right of issue factory counted Adam got a make [TS]
00:51:23 ◼ ► but this could be fine he finished I'm fine I'm sorry this episode of hell Internet is brought to you in part by hover [TS]
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00:53:43 ◼ ► internet there was a really interesting article in The Guardian which Gray will link tonight doubt it was all about [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► and the time I read a was really excited I put the link in the nights in Tokyo we had to talk about it pretty much now [TS]
00:54:11 ◼ ► Yes I read I just read it I just read it right before the show. Meets blousy that's your match what I should have done. [TS]
00:54:16 ◼ ► That's that's that's what the show no thought that's why I go through the show notes right before we're about to do the [TS]
00:54:20 ◼ ► thing otherwise it all falls out of my brain was either slowed right before it was just like I can't be rating before [TS]
00:54:27 ◼ ► the show it was leaked. Yes those are the things that the show the thing that this article talks about a couple points. [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► It's largely talking about a company called Narrative Science which is one that I don't know if I mention them by name [TS]
00:54:44 ◼ ► and Broadly speaking of A are a company that is working on algorithms that can produce human readable material of all [TS]
00:54:57 ◼ ► and so one of the things that this article is talking about in particular is computer algorithms that can write up a [TS]
00:55:07 ◼ ► but they're their focus is broader than that they want to be able to feed an algorithm a bunch of data from a company [TS]
00:55:14 ◼ ► and have it produce a quarterly report in the same way humanoid this is all that all of the stuff that they're that [TS]
00:55:19 ◼ ► they're working on that there were two two points that I want to bring up because whenever you mention this stuff [TS]
00:55:27 ◼ ► people just people just push back on it when they show people article written by humans. [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► People rape them slightly differently in terms of which ones are friendly and excessive bowl or informative [TS]
00:55:46 ◼ ► but the key here is that there is not some huge difference where people say oh this is obviously written by a machine [TS]
00:55:54 ◼ ► People don't like everybody thinks that they can tell the difference but they really can't [TS]
00:55:59 ◼ ► when you put them in a day in a double blind situation even if they rate things slightly differently so yes they had [TS]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and the computer in ones were a little bit more authoritative but this is the same thing like [TS]
00:56:12 ◼ ► and in that in the video that I made I mentioned about the music and I say oh this this music is written by computer [TS]
00:56:19 ◼ ► and everybody writes back oh I could totally tell it was written by a computer because it sounds repetitive [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► when you get in if the Emily Emily Howell is a name of the computer program that writes the music [TS]
00:56:32 ◼ ► when you do it with double blind and you don't tell people which ones are written by the human [TS]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and which runs written by the computer people can't tell everybody just thinks they can tell once you tell them what [TS]
00:56:46 ◼ ► Oh most certainly anybody who reads newspapers has already read something that was summarized by a computer algorithm [TS]
00:56:53 ◼ ► like this is this is already already happening and people just underestimate how how good this stuff is not perfect [TS]
00:57:02 ◼ ► but it's good enough to fit to fly under the radar of people telling the difference between human [TS]
00:57:09 ◼ ► and a computer to tell you what's right there is one there is one I just want to share it seems to me at this stage of [TS]
00:57:19 ◼ ► Algorithm written out a coast seems to be in the sphere of things which a very quantitative Oh yeah because he is out [TS]
00:57:28 ◼ ► of the US why there are always going Wednesday because yes because I mean I could just look I spoke book score [TS]
00:57:33 ◼ ► or financial report and and right now. Article having not been at the game in a K. [TS]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and they show you to match reports from a game of baseball the thing that the people doing the double blind tests don't [TS]
00:57:51 ◼ ► and didn't do was go to the game so it's very hard to know how good a report of the game it is if you didn't also see [TS]
00:58:03 ◼ ► For example say I went to a game so I went to the Yankees versus the Red Sox and the Yankees won three toes [TS]
00:58:11 ◼ ► and there was a double And this picture had this record believe the journalist who wasn't at the game. [TS]
00:58:17 ◼ ► Could write a report and the computer could write a report and maybe someone couldn't tell the difference [TS]
00:58:27 ◼ ► Derek Jeter stood on second base and took off his trailers and painted his legs pink and started doing cartwheels. [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► That's not going to be in the box score that's not going to be anywhere so the complain the computer writes the report [TS]
00:58:44 ◼ ► of all the noteworthy things that happened during the game that's going to be completely emitted someone who's actually [TS]
00:58:53 ◼ ► and get very little to the actual score of the game because it was such a remarkable thing that happened that that is [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► or whatever you want to COLA I can't they won't they don't really know what's interesting [TS]
00:59:14 ◼ ► and sometimes you can't be taught what's interesting because the thing that's interesting is something that's never [TS]
00:59:24 ◼ ► and you know they can't a computer would never know what the emotion of the crowd was with the computer can't know what [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► noise the crowd made when Alex Rodriguez came out to back to die though him did they need him. [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Did they start off doing him but then she him when he hit a home run all the subtleties [TS]
00:59:50 ◼ ► when I talk about this stuff like I completely agree with you that in in very very many domains the best human is still [TS]
01:00:01 ◼ ► always going to be able to crush the computer today I think that's that's no there's no doubt about it like I could [TS]
01:00:08 ◼ ► send Brady to a cricket game and I can send an algorithm to the cricket game and Brady is going to write a way better. [TS]
01:00:18 ◼ ► but at the end think that this all of this stuff is we're looking at we're looking at the toddler version of of what [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► and these algorithms can do I don't doubt that at some point in the future you could feed just the straight video of a [TS]
01:00:37 ◼ ► computer game of a you could feed just a straight video of a sports game to a computer [TS]
01:00:43 ◼ ► and the computer could write out a story about it I think that's going to be able to happen sometime because we already [TS]
01:00:53 ◼ ► and unless unless you think that there's something magically different about the human brain I think anything that a [TS]
01:01:05 ◼ ► and we're just looking at the very very beginnings of of all of this stuff when you think about that arm in the [TS]
01:01:29 ◼ ► and I had to rush story about a sense the family let me come to the house and sit in the room with them [TS]
01:01:37 ◼ ► and talk to them for a couple of hours and a lot of things happened in that room and that Khaled [TS]
01:01:44 ◼ ► and painted the why the Irish story about the tragedy of this boy die and I just can't say in the next hundreds [TS]
01:02:07 ◼ ► but I just can't say a computer thinking to ask the things that I would have asked [TS]
01:02:11 ◼ ► and looked at the places I would have looked and taken in the subtleties I took in and maybe one day they will [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► and who sang maybe I was pretty ham fisted and didn't write the final story very well. [TS]
01:02:25 ◼ ► but I can I carry a ARE can raid if I want to know is who won the by spoke I I didn't care for it was written by some [TS]
01:02:35 ◼ ► or An algorithm and if the algorithms of the cheaper for the nice Everest than I care I knew what the score anyway [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► You pick an example which is the most intensely human example there can possibly be right and a bereavement [TS]
01:03:09 ◼ ► and another human in the room so I will grant you that on the on the list of jobs that computers are doing that that [TS]
01:03:27 ◼ ► but that is not ninety nine percent of what newspapers are doing yet that that is shockingly shockingly rare. [TS]
01:03:40 ◼ ► My my concern is always people talk about the things that machines can't do what you have a problem long before the the [TS]
01:03:59 ◼ ► Who do that job that if you're talking five hundred years in the future you could have a robot that looks as good as a [TS]
01:04:15 ◼ ► but if you're saying never like never in ten thousand years can humans create a convincingly human machine I'm going to [TS]
01:04:26 ◼ ► go no on that because otherwise I feel like you're just saying there's something magic about humans [TS]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and I never I don't see I don't see that stage like I just I don't go along with cry I think there is something magic [TS]
01:04:40 ◼ ► of humans see that's And this is this is where we just have a fundamental disagreement if you believe in magic I can't [TS]
01:04:48 ◼ ► on argue with you I don't have any magic is in Harry Costa I mean something I mean [TS]
01:04:55 ◼ ► but do you mean magic as in something that is outside of the physical constraints of the universe. [TS]
01:05:03 ◼ ► Like I don't think that it is impossible to imagine completely simulating a human brain in a computer may do you think [TS]
01:05:13 ◼ ► that that's an impossibility that in ten thousand years of human progress we'd never be able to do something like that [TS]
01:05:24 ◼ ► and this is this is what I mean is I think that you could simulate a human brain that it ultimately comes down to [TS]
01:05:38 ◼ ► and so that to me is why I can get to the argument of if you can simulate a human brain [TS]
01:05:43 ◼ ► and there is a human brain simulation project that the European Union is working on right now. [TS]
01:05:49 ◼ ► If you can do that then then it's at some stage it's game over for humans physical meat based humans being the best at [TS]
01:05:59 ◼ ► everything because once you get a brain on increasing computing power you can start simulating a human brain at one [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► point one X. The speed of a regular brain and then to X. and Five X. and Ten X. In one hundred X. [TS]
01:06:19 ◼ ► Creative work that is you know it's singular in a way there's no reason that my brain couldn't be perfectly simulated [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► or that you couldn't just like the stuff that I used to do with with genetic algorithms back in my university days of [TS]
01:06:41 ◼ ► but just go with me for a second you can do that kind of thing where you spontaneously create ten thousand simulated [TS]
01:06:48 ◼ ► human brains and have them produce artwork and see how other simulated brains react to them [TS]
01:06:54 ◼ ► and you could create amazing works of art that humans would find better than anything that has ever been created [TS]
01:07:01 ◼ ► because you know what gets reactions out of people and that's why I think all of this is a Venn chili at some point. [TS]
01:07:09 ◼ ► Machines will be better than humans at everything I take as Nikhil a bank no idea take away the can you tell the [TS]
01:07:20 ◼ ► If there was if a new pod cast came out that was made by a bought that basically just crowed over the pod casts in I [TS]
01:07:31 ◼ ► and created a simulated to do talking with I went to do today which is to max talking in talking to each other in a [TS]
01:07:38 ◼ ► human voice of just you know I took an crap about whatever likely to that it was just thrown upon you know all the [TS]
01:07:46 ◼ ► stuff that was out that it could find him what would best Would you just be a put cost you would get a lot of pleasure [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► from knowing that it wasn't to do. It's OK so here's the thing you're proposing something that sounds terrible. [TS]
01:08:02 ◼ ► but if you're Can I imagine a pod cast that is between two computers talking to each other being better than than our [TS]
01:08:10 ◼ ► podcast I can imagine that being the case at at some point because why do I listen to Bach as I listen to podcasts to [TS]
01:08:18 ◼ ► be entertained I listen to podcasts because I like the personalities of the people who are talking even if I don't care [TS]
01:08:25 ◼ ► what they're talking about movie set personalities that's interesting I didn't think it say that bit because that's [TS]
01:08:47 ◼ ► and your personality are the result of neurons firing in a particular order in a sequence in our brains [TS]
01:08:56 ◼ ► and that's why I can say that yes I can imagine an algorithm creating an enjoyable podcasts to listen to it with with [TS]
01:09:05 ◼ ► boy synthesis that gets good enough because I just don't think that there's anything special about the brain like my my [TS]
01:09:14 ◼ ► and the order that they're connected in my mind it's not it's not magic there is that that's what I mean [TS]
01:09:20 ◼ ► when I say magic is some kind of other not reproducible thing and and that's what that's what I mean [TS]
01:09:27 ◼ ► but it does the free will at the other it does the does the fact people are listening to us now that we're doing this [TS]
01:09:34 ◼ ► Add to their pleasure because let me Are you let me ask you Are you trying to are you trying to provoke a you go ahead [TS]
01:09:45 ◼ ► And therefore you should feel safe on sharing it because this technology does not exist [TS]
01:09:52 ◼ ► but if the technology did exist for there to be really really good simulated human beings [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► or couldn't make a buck a totally No I tell you that you have all this stuff you're right they're going to stop you [TS]
01:10:13 ◼ ► right now this is that this is an argument in my marriage and my wife thinks that we have a no holiday X. [TS]
01:10:21 ◼ ► and I think that we don't I think that this is not a this is not necessarily a not within our lifetime kind of argument [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and having a holodeck like situation so again it to me this just always comes down to first principles of if you can [TS]
01:10:49 ◼ ► completely simulate a human mind. There's there's nothing that humans do that you can't do better. [TS]
01:10:56 ◼ ► Ultimately with machines and the the the the holodeck thing about you know if a holodeck [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► or virtual reality exists in some ways I'm pretty convinced that let that is a that is an end of of civilization moment [TS]
01:11:16 ◼ ► and you know the Fermi paradox I don't have the right yes I think it's I am I think I have a name right off of that is [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► from an retired Rico Femi. Yeah it is it is a question about Why haven't we been visited by aliens are that you can. [TS]
01:11:35 ◼ ► You can run a calculation that basically says you know no matter how low you think the probability of intelligent life [TS]
01:11:45 ◼ ► and the number of planets is so astronomical that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe [TS]
01:11:51 ◼ ► and I go along with that hypothesis like I believe in aliens not that they have visited the earth [TS]
01:12:05 ◼ ► and say that we are probably a little later to the civilizations Dave's than other people so why haven't [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► or why haven't we found any messages from Aliens this is the Fermi paradox is why does it seem like there are fewer [TS]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and there are many there are many questions about why that are there many answers to this possible question [TS]
01:12:36 ◼ ► and two of them which relate to too hard current question is that one that intelligence it was a sion ends up in some [TS]
01:12:44 ◼ ► kind of self destructive loop Yeah the matter WHAT it is that once you get smart enough there are mistakes that you can [TS]
01:12:55 ◼ ► and so we used to think nuclear weapons are one of the things it seems like we're mostly past that [TS]
01:13:04 ◼ ► but the one that the answer that I actually think seems like it might be one of the most most relevant [TS]
01:13:10 ◼ ► and I read this on the I think Edge dot org A while back is that the late game of civilization is intelligent life [TS]
01:13:24 ◼ ► and so entire civilizations just just say we're done with the real universe that have because because the virtual [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► universe can be designed in a way that is the Astley more attractive than the real universe I sort of I suppose I [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► should we go next post on so just by code of J.T. For the next ten thousand years. [TS]
01:13:45 ◼ ► Yeah I mean when you put it that way it's it's a it's a thing that sounds really trivial [TS]
01:13:49 ◼ ► but I think you have to imagine is is not like it call of duty but you talk about. [TS]
01:13:56 ◼ ► You talk about something which is almost irresistibly attractive in a simulated universe because it is designed to hit [TS]
01:14:09 ◼ ► and the possibility as well is that you don't even know that you have put yourself inside of an amazing simulation [TS]
01:14:21 ◼ ► and that's just the perfect thing for your brain and you just love it all day long [TS]
01:14:28 ◼ ► Well if you don't know fair enough I care if you don't know you're in a simulation or how can argue with that [TS]
01:14:34 ◼ ► but the thing I think is this something very powerful about the free will thing so even if I made X. [TS]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and did everything he want that still wouldn't pay the audio was easy because you know that it's just it has no choice [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► but to bail us the something very powerful about someone who doesn't have to say yes. [TS]
01:15:08 ◼ ► when you first tried to kiss him might be the fact that she didn't have to let you see that she did. [TS]
01:15:23 ◼ ► and simulations give us that a case we don't know if we're in the simulation term we don't know that that was making a [TS]
01:15:33 ◼ ► I think having that taken away from us is a huge huge sacrifice will be a huge loss [TS]
01:15:41 ◼ ► and I think that's what I think I was always very motivating and that's where my problem with robo wife comes from. [TS]
01:15:48 ◼ ► OK But here's the thing we're coming to another fundamental problem which is that I think free will doesn't exist I [TS]
01:15:54 ◼ ► think this idea that that people are making decisions is not realize or care right that it it feels that way [TS]
01:16:02 ◼ ► but it isn't the like free will is an include red oblique convincing allusion ground [TS]
01:16:23 ◼ ► or the other I think of you pay attention to the way your mind operates it's easy to see that you have a feeling of [TS]
01:16:35 ◼ ► And this is one the reasons why I tend to use a lot of language where I describe us as only like my brain does X. [TS]
01:16:42 ◼ ► Because I don't know I feel like I'm very aware of this this distinction between how things feel [TS]
01:16:55 ◼ ► Yeah I still want to cope what we have free will is not because I think it is something different to what a robot as so [TS]
01:17:04 ◼ ► even if it even if it is zero pre-determined by give range mint of whatever is I still think it's different to the [TS]
01:17:12 ◼ ► robot thing and it means more to me than the robot think yeah I know what I know what you're saying [TS]
01:17:18 ◼ ► and the thing with a computer is that the nature of of what it does is laid bare the computer I mean a computer in a [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► way is like a very complicated a very complicated flour mill you can go into a flour mill [TS]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and you can see that this is a machine that just does something that the flour mill doesn't have any choice in [TS]
01:17:46 ◼ ► And ultimately a computer is the same thing it doesn't have any choice in what it does [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► but it's a much more complicated version you can't look at the computer and see how it works [TS]
01:17:58 ◼ ► but you know conceptually OK Computer has purpose someone has programmed this is running through code it might be [TS]
01:18:03 ◼ ► running through millions and millions of pieces of code but it's still just is still does operating on imports [TS]
01:18:10 ◼ ► and if you understand all of the inputs you can perfectly predict all of the outputs I think that humans are just one [TS]
01:18:18 ◼ ► level above that in terms of complication that if you perfectly understand all of the inputs going into a person you [TS]
01:18:30 ◼ ► and we can't do that right now because it's just too complicated in the same way that [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► when a person looked at the computer most of the time they can't perfectly predict how it does everything because it's [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► too complicated but there's no fundamental difference here it just feels different because it's complexity squared [TS]
01:18:50 ◼ ► but I think from from the first principles that it's not any different at all. Sigrid I win. [TS]
01:18:57 ◼ ► Your wife come comes home from work and brings you like a surprise present or I sign you up [TS]
01:19:06 ◼ ► You've never deny OK I was just using hypothetical let's go back to when your wife to something nice [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► when you're sitting Why don't you bring me flowers brain when when you're sitting next to your wife [TS]
01:19:21 ◼ ► and think well I had no choice you had you had no choice because I have you had no choice [TS]
01:19:37 ◼ ► Which which look out how to how do you gain any enjoyment from anything if you think it's so that like that [TS]
01:19:46 ◼ ► but where did it will come to like way the two totally separate myself a separate question [TS]
01:19:54 ◼ ► Where does the pleasure come from fear if you think that was a great idea that the the pre-determined is of a doesn't [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► make any difference if it also you also start getting into just absolutely bizarre questions here of that like I like [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► but she makes me happy because of the very structure of my brain in perceiving happiness you don't owe me a just just [TS]
01:20:17 ◼ ► just here just think for a second I here's here's a bizarre thought exercise for people it's incident I've done it with [TS]
01:20:41 ◼ ► Chew too much you can realize wait there's there's nothing in trains ik about the face the Durham magine NG that [TS]
01:20:55 ◼ ► The whole into notion of attractiveness is something that exists in your brain it doesn't exist on the person's face. [TS]
01:21:05 ◼ ► Right you are not perceiving attractiveness on someone even their faces coming into your mind [TS]
01:21:11 ◼ ► and because of the way that your brain is structured you perceive it as attractive [TS]
01:21:20 ◼ ► What you're really looking at is a thin layer of meat on top of some bone with some watery stacks in the middle that [TS]
01:21:27 ◼ ► look out at you was well that's what a face really is great that's left me was that part of your wedding vows. [TS]
01:21:43 ◼ ► Attractiveness does not exist in other people and I and that but you subjectively perceive a thing as attractive [TS]
01:21:51 ◼ ► but here but here's why I I perceive things a trying to because of the structure of the way my brain aside [TS]
01:22:07 ◼ ► or attractive because their dog their brain is wired differently so that they look at other dogs [TS]
01:22:19 ◼ ► or the dog's brain so the fly the like these things that these are separate questions about how can you derive pleasure [TS]
01:22:25 ◼ ► of the universe has no free will is like things that make me happy make me happy because of the way my brain is [TS]
01:22:31 ◼ ► structured the lesson before the pod cast sometimes of like interest there's no explaining why some things are [TS]
01:22:39 ◼ ► interesting to people and other things are not I mean even we just talked about it earlier. [TS]
01:22:45 ◼ ► but I have no interest in airplanes there's no there's no explanation for that there's no reason for that it's it has [TS]
01:22:54 ◼ ► The structure of the way that my neurons to happen are happen to be connected which has everything to do with the way [TS]
01:23:07 ◼ ► but not interested in airplane to cry you talk like you're on a higher plane than I I agree I agree I just have this [TS]
01:23:20 ◼ ► Right cetera that ice but my wiring seems to be quite happy to let me live with the various allusions [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► or what you would describe solutions that you seem to say not in full for those illusions you know I'm not above that. [TS]
01:23:34 ◼ ► Like I don't think I don't think that my wife cherished to bring me flowers and I think that because I I know better [TS]
01:23:41 ◼ ► and therefore if you know you better say I do think my wife chose to bring me slows you say if you know better [TS]
01:23:48 ◼ ► and you think he was didn't I think you're you know once you're one step further away from being placed by [TS]
01:23:56 ◼ ► or you there's no there's no knowing better here there's no knowing better here at all [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► when he'd start talking about free will as the there's two different the two different things going on do people make [TS]
01:24:10 ◼ ► choices and I think that the answer is is know that ultimately people are deterministic [TS]
01:24:17 ◼ ► but then there's a whole separate thing which is the layer in which you subjectively live your life. [TS]
01:24:24 ◼ ► Which feels like you make choices and that's why I like let let's let's say let's say science tomorrow. [TS]
01:24:34 ◼ ► Came out with a study that said we proved her one hundred percent one hundred percent sure that free will doesn't exist [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► yet you know we we got a big enough microscope and we looked and how it turns out is nothing [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► and say Oh actually we discovered no for one hundred percent sure there is free will because we looked at the bottom of [TS]
01:24:56 ◼ ► the universe and below the gears pixie dust that magic yet and so free will exists. [TS]
01:25:03 ◼ ► I don't think anything about the way I live my life changes on either of those two days. [TS]
01:25:12 ◼ ► but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because the subjective level in which you live your life is so all in [TS]
01:25:27 ◼ ► or is it is it a mechanistic universe it doesn't make any difference in my daily Nikkei it doesn't it doesn't change [TS]
01:25:35 ◼ ► or how people relate to me let me know if you didn't really matter let me ask you this then [TS]
01:25:39 ◼ ► when something nice does happen I keep clinging to this the sillies the scenario up bringing flowers time yeah you say [TS]
01:25:49 ◼ ► that day to day you're just like me and the dissolution of choice and things helps bring you pleasure. [TS]
01:25:58 ◼ ► How long see you is that in two thousand is snatched away and your intellect take sorry for [TS]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and says I was silly silly emotional grey Of course you realize she didn't choose to bring you those flowers. [TS]
01:26:10 ◼ ► How often do those thoughts come to you how often is the rug pulled away from the illusion in someone not you every [TS]
01:26:22 ◼ ► and always write it because I never I never think this way because one of what I was trying to say before is it doesn't [TS]
01:26:31 ◼ ► it doesn't matter for a guy that never fix that why you talk about a heck of a lot [TS]
01:26:39 ◼ ► Personal human reaction it doesn't matter if if my wife does something nice out of free will [TS]
01:26:46 ◼ ► or out of a deterministic universe it doesn't make any difference from my perspective which of those is true. [TS]
01:26:58 ◼ ► but it doesn't make any difference I can like you doesn't it doesn't diminish acts of niceness to think that they have [TS]
01:27:08 ◼ ► not been done by free Well I think this is this is the argument you're making a maybe you'll be a bit more sympathetic [TS]
01:27:13 ◼ ► to this the argument you're making to me sounds very few similar to the argument I sometimes hear from people who are [TS]
01:27:20 ◼ ► not science he people who say that oh don't you think a learning about a rainbow makes a rainbow less beautiful. [TS]
01:27:33 ◼ ► and I thought I would bet your opinion is the same that knowing more about a rainbow doesn't make looking at a rainbow. [TS]
01:27:44 ◼ ► If anything it it might make the experience more enjoy all I don't think knowing that we live in a universe without [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► free will make the anything more enjoyable but I certainly don't think it detracts I don't agree. [TS]
01:27:57 ◼ ► Maybe the so you think knowing about the rainbow does make it less beautiful I remember as a child [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► or I still believe maybe we would get to the point where I could see it hitting the ground just been captivated [TS]
01:28:20 ◼ ► and as we would drive along I would pray that we would get to the point where it actually touches the ground. [TS]
01:28:27 ◼ ► Now that I realize that those things don't exist I still think Rainbow is a very beautiful [TS]
01:28:32 ◼ ► and will get out my smartphone to take a picture of it but it has no where near the effect that used to have on me [TS]
01:28:38 ◼ ► when I thought it was a pot of gold at the end you know but you're also talking about [TS]
01:28:41 ◼ ► when you were just an idiot child I mean you think that's it can you can you compare something where you're an adult [TS]
01:28:48 ◼ ► you're not a little kid who believe the leprechauns I mean that's I think that's you're comparing two wildly different [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► but I think it still makes the point that I don't agree with this how science the argument it's always made that once [TS]
01:29:02 ◼ ► you know the truth of what's going on it's it's more beautiful or more captivating. [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► but I do think there is a degree of there is some nice things that get stripped away with that [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► I don't know what we're getting off now into an argument about does data science make things less beautiful. [TS]
01:29:39 ◼ ► Which of course I'm going to I'm going to come onto the side of No it does not but it makes things less magical [TS]
01:29:50 ◼ ► Yeah because magic horses make things less magic things that a made up can still bring great pleasure. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► but you still get pleasure from escaping into that fantasy and I think there's beauty in fantasy [TS]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and between things they're not real you like Star Wars that's not realize the growth that you still are. [TS]
01:30:14 ◼ ► but I ask your metaphors they break my brain sometimes Brady if you think do it there's nothing [TS]
01:30:26 ◼ ► and then believing that there's a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow can bring more pleasure I believe. [TS]
01:30:32 ◼ ► Sometimes than understanding what's happening with a lot being refracted and bouncing Here There and Everywhere. [TS]
01:30:38 ◼ ► but what kind of crazy argument is that because Lord Of The Rings is written as a as a kind of alternative history like [TS]
01:30:51 ◼ ► Would you say that it's going to letter the Rings just you know not a whole lot fiction in general and that up [TS]
01:30:56 ◼ ► but what would you would you argue that we should instead of teaching actual history teacher Lord Of The Rings. [TS]
01:31:08 ◼ ► Will history now your being unfair I didn't say that we should be teaching in schools as pots of gold at the end of the [TS]
01:31:13 ◼ ► rainbow or that's not what I said Oh OK yes but I'm genuinely not understanding what point you're trying to make. [TS]
01:31:21 ◼ ► Once on it strip spare the truth that doesn't mean it's nicer or pretty or more enjoyable [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► or more pure to feel what I'm trying to say is that knowing the truth about a thing doesn't detract from it I don't [TS]
01:31:37 ◼ ► think it's a trap Well I think inside think in some ways it does detract from I think it does detract from [TS]
01:31:45 ◼ ► and I'd do it more than anyone I make a career doing in making videos about how things really work. [TS]
01:31:50 ◼ ► Audit make videos I have made videos about how rainbows work I have not made videos about that because being at the end [TS]
01:31:56 ◼ ► of the rainbow but I guess I got more pleasure from rainbows when I didn't know the truth. [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► and I wouldn't swear I wouldn't change it for a million dollars because I'm someone who has to know the truth. [TS]
01:32:10 ◼ ► Right that there was there was a lovely pleasure I gained when I didn't know the truth and [TS]
01:32:21 ◼ ► OK So to try to try to bring it back with you would say that if we knew for sure tomorrow that there was no free will [TS]
01:32:32 ◼ ► that the universe was deterministic yet that would make you sad or I would be glad I knew the truth [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► and I would always be a pains to tell my friends the truth until the look as is the way it is science has proven a [TS]
01:32:52 ◼ ► when I thought that my wife chose to marry me I would I would I would wish that had been the case [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► and adopt the truth how hot it less than that I think this is now just coming down to the fundamental difference with [TS]
01:33:19 ◼ ► I think you have huge should not think for too long about the nature of choice in the universe I think just after the [TS]
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01:36:07 ◼ ► or the other day I saw we were driving on I was talking with my wife Bastro as we both know episodes on whether we [TS]
01:36:29 ◼ ► and I know the percentages of this happening in that happening in this one's going to missed by that much. [TS]
01:36:38 ◼ ► or trigger point is said taking one of these things to the president at what point how many of these things to they see [TS]
01:36:52 ◼ ► Are you asking how often does the president get a memo about there's an asteroid that might hit [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► I don't know does the president need to know is there anything you can do about it I don't think that's an actionable [TS]
01:37:14 ◼ ► Seething they wouldn't tell the president I thought my story was going to hit here I don't know I'm in my brain I'm [TS]
01:37:23 ◼ ► but the policy decision for this would be I don't know what do you think would How often should the president No I [TS]
01:37:31 ◼ ► but I definitely think that they would tell him if they thought one was going to hit at some level of said. [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► It's on the if the president is the president takes a sudden vacation family an unexpected vacation we should all [TS]
01:37:49 ◼ ► Maybe every presidential vacation announcement should be treated in that way of my advice to people [TS]
01:37:57 ◼ ► when you're the president got on vacation you should think this is a boat if we suddenly announce that we're not going [TS]
01:38:03 ◼ ► to be doing approaches for the next four months then take a little break for five weeks and three days. [TS]
01:38:13 ◼ ► We're talking to him back after that and I just want to go to know if we love you very much. Yeah. [TS]
01:38:28 ◼ ► and now I don't know some awareness day probably for people who are trying to get funding [TS]
01:38:32 ◼ ► or asteroid tracking something I mean there should be there should definitely be funding for Astoria getting I'm a big [TS]
01:38:40 ◼ ► and him mainly because even if even if it is not a even if is not a probable event the downside is huge for me. [TS]
01:38:54 ◼ ► when this case itself world asteroid day gets more funding to wards looking to the skies for asteroids. [TS]
01:39:00 ◼ ► when let's be honest we probably couldn't stop an asteroid what is the point of now of spending millions and millions. [TS]
01:39:08 ◼ ► Well I think part of the point would be to try to figure out how to stop it as well like I just don't yeah OK if if I [TS]
01:39:16 ◼ ► and we have no ability to do anything the wasted money why bother I would shut down [TS]
01:39:24 ◼ ► and if we're not even thinking about how to powder stops of how wonder what percentage of space expenditure is spent on [TS]
01:39:30 ◼ ► exploration versus protection from impact the the thing they're used have to mention in the physics curriculum for [TS]
01:39:49 ◼ ► and one of the ones that I thought was was the most interesting to talk about if I don't know the actual practicality [TS]
01:39:56 ◼ ► but talking about how if you can spot it very far in advance that one of the possibilities is to just paint ball it [TS]
01:40:12 ◼ ► and that just by slightly changing the reflectivity of it if you know the asteroid is far enough away. [TS]
01:40:18 ◼ ► Slowing it down because they're more photons bouncing off of it from the sun even just an infinitesimal amount will be [TS]
01:40:32 ◼ ► and the asteroid is so far away so that's why I think I can imagine that if you have anough warning there's crazy stuff [TS]
01:40:42 ◼ ► but if it's a with its land it's going to hit us in a week that's probably too late. [TS]
01:40:54 ◼ ► Yeah that as is the cool thing to do it right with the paint ball it's not the military that isn't a whitewash [TS]
01:41:01 ◼ ► everything yet that's exactly what I have to ask you know I've been looking at his eyes when the show notes [TS]
01:41:11 ◼ ► World's Ugliest you know Augie Well every year his every year to have this competition Akin ends up getting you know [TS]
01:41:19 ◼ ► lots of he chip it isn't it's one of those like annual novelty stories that the media like so much it's a competition [TS]
01:41:29 ◼ ► and that good old journalist doing their jobs they just hard he knew had one recently [TS]
01:41:36 ◼ ► Yes like a competition you get usually get like you know I ten freakishly idly dogs [TS]
01:41:40 ◼ ► and then the judges pick which one is the ugliest it just happened about a week ago the care now I've never really [TS]
01:41:47 ◼ ► I watched a video about this wake and I are now suddenly I feel strongly about all of a sudden and I don't like it. [TS]
01:42:02 ◼ ► and Niagara that it's all about showing that zero dogs are beautiful and even the ugly ones should be loved [TS]
01:42:09 ◼ ► What kind of balls is that I think I think that's a whole argument for why is essentially you know nineteenth century [TS]
01:42:18 ◼ ► freak show yeah it's this is a circus sideshow of an OS this more what should we show is not about the beauty of [TS]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and it honestly it made my heart so sad watching them working them make a spectacle of these dogs because they believe [TS]
01:42:36 ◼ ► and I almost want to I want to punch the screen now I admit I'm a bit biased because there seems to be a much higher [TS]
01:42:46 ◼ ► Well that that's not surprising because two hours are at the at the end of the spectrum of genetic freakishness of Yeah [TS]
01:42:55 ◼ ► and you've turned it into Audrey Yeah you know what most of the time that science experiment is going to go Terran [TS]
01:43:05 ◼ ► Skates the line between being ridiculously cute and a little bit like funny looking [TS]
01:43:24 ◼ ► and I did not believe this how it's for the greater good of course not and I'm going to try to avoid it next year. [TS]
01:43:41 ◼ ► and the organizers were telling us all about the beauty of humans it's just you're obviously full of it [TS]
01:43:47 ◼ ► and this he should just you're just making money off of the friction on a ball that would be fiber anyway so don't [TS]
01:43:56 ◼ ► I'm not going right now I'm not going to put it in the SHOWED UP GOOD GOOD Now the next item in the show you know is [TS]
01:44:03 ◼ ► Glastonbury Music Festival and so you were at the Glastonbury Music say I was nothing. [TS]
01:44:10 ◼ ► Tells me how little you know about Glastonbury more than how you spell QUESTENBERG did I write it in the show notes of [TS]
01:44:25 ◼ ► but you write very like Barry with a strawberry B E W Why is that not right. It's be you why. [TS]
01:44:34 ◼ ► and this is an audio format nobody knows if I'm saying Glastonbury with a barrier Glaston burry were able to even [TS]
01:44:42 ◼ ► though I was a Glastonbury gives a lot you don't say Glastonbury it is more Questenberg. [TS]
01:45:03 ◼ ► and there were the the family things going on so we want to get back that to the hometown to be with family so I was [TS]
01:45:15 ◼ ► I do enjoy going and I imagine we will keep going each year because we like it so much. [TS]
01:45:21 ◼ ► But man you know how there are lots of things in life that I enjoy and I kind of try [TS]
01:45:26 ◼ ► and force the monuments I grant you should do it you know you should try it just for the experience [TS]
01:45:30 ◼ ► and stuff I'm not even a try with this one. There's just you would hi to you would hate it. [TS]
01:45:36 ◼ ► Yeah I know I would hate it I see even you send me some of these pictures are I see on Twitter you're trying to post [TS]
01:45:42 ◼ ► pictures of how of how great it is you're there with a little umbrella in your drink [TS]
01:45:47 ◼ ► or whatever you're doing it just but in the background it looks like Calcutta just looked off [TS]
01:45:54 ◼ ► and that's why I sent you a picture of some tent city you know in some third world country would like this is what this [TS]
01:46:05 ◼ ► Recently there is something funny about something so potion expensive happening in such third world conditions that [TS]
01:46:13 ◼ ► there is there is no universe in which I'm going to the Glastonbury festival with you it's never going to happen I'm [TS]
01:46:22 ◼ ► I'm glad that the neurons in your brain are set up in such a way that you can derive pleasure from this event [TS]
01:46:36 ◼ ► and need awful ask human need for toileting is a big problem isn't Yeah it's awful it is a big problem. [TS]
01:46:44 ◼ ► This it was almost the this is I'm a civilization ending problem of are we get too many people at the other in a city [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► and toilet problems equals cholera equals plagues you know if we didn't we didn't luck out with our medicine tech tree [TS]
01:47:04 ◼ ► So he's basically creating a horrible grabs a very looks like you've got your it's like a tent city. [TS]
01:47:12 ◼ ► Slash eighteenth century plumbing situation that you're going to boy I can't wait I can't wait to go now has a lot of [TS]
01:47:23 ◼ ► The it did make me think they're saying all these bands if you and I are in a band. [TS]
01:47:32 ◼ ► Coast soon I began to call them is A four paper I think is that course number for a band here there are many two man [TS]
01:47:43 ◼ ► There's two guitars we were if we were in a band with a few other friends I did wonder what Apple's issues in the band [TS]
01:47:51 ◼ ► with a what do you think are you in a band what would he pay what you mean what instrument you will a level with your [TS]
01:47:59 ◼ ► position I would you be the lead singer guitarist the drama what would you pay to be the accountant you could say that [TS]
01:48:21 ◼ ► you didn't join you to joy bring together the set list every night because that's a list. [TS]
01:48:25 ◼ ► Yeah I could do more of the the admin side if you had to be on holiday Joe come on because I've been thinking about it [TS]
01:48:33 ◼ ► and I'm Michelle he had you down as drama because you kind of down the back and hidden away a bit. [TS]
01:48:40 ◼ ► but I've now decided I think you'd be on bass guitar they've guitar because the gun bicycle tires normally off to the [TS]
01:48:47 ◼ ► side he doesn't talk or sing much he always seems to look at the most serious and stand [TS]
01:48:55 ◼ ► and I'm putting you down to basic to I mean I know nothing about music so I base guitar sounds good that you kind of [TS]
01:49:04 ◼ ► look at it like a bass guitars to that is that that the deep left field being on a band that Condit is already a kind [TS]
01:49:16 ◼ ► Oh I thought oh just went up a check of a check but that is in case like my wife looked out of the house to mine. [TS]
01:49:26 ◼ ► and think about you you think about what I'm going to be in the band Well like I like a he's going to go OK brag on [TS]
01:49:35 ◼ ► Internet the me talking to you again although I think there's no doubt about this. My prediction. [TS]
01:49:41 ◼ ► Brady obviously should be the drummer that's what it seems like Brady should be however however. [TS]
01:49:51 ◼ ► I think in Brady's own mind he might imagine himself as the lead singer. That's my prediction here. [TS]
01:49:59 ◼ ► Brady should be the drummer that's where I would buy him but he might think that he's the lead singer [TS]
01:50:12 ◼ ► There's a great big enough there's a great big storm rolling and I can see it coming in over the say [TS]
01:50:18 ◼ ► but my wife is outside bringing stuff in because it's going to rain so she didn't hear the door. [TS]
01:50:25 ◼ ► And then or do you write to me at the stairs most to come in but I'm not letting her and you know letting her [TS]
01:50:30 ◼ ► and she's very cute she is. But my wife will think she's gone missing and have to come looking for us. [TS]
01:50:42 ◼ ► or hear your have an elevator in your house I think I'm right now you know where where we I was talking to the people [TS]
01:50:53 ◼ ► What do you tell them I'm not telling you what I told you what I want a want to know from you is where do you see [TS]
01:51:01 ◼ ► yourself in a band. Well we can ignore how bad my singing voice is because I can't think of pain. [TS]
01:51:11 ◼ ► Yet we're just we're going to presume that you have the talent to be in any of the possession. [TS]
01:51:21 ◼ ► Rilya but I'm going to be like the like to show a leaky Tyrus because I do like a bit of attention sometimes [TS]
01:51:30 ◼ ► but I don't like being the absolute center of attention I like being a little bit to the side so I'd be I'd be like I [TS]
01:51:38 ◼ ► would sometimes do a bit of accompanying singing and I'd be like the main guitarist so [TS]
01:51:44 ◼ ► but not so I think of me more like bit more like the edge. Robin Bond I. Which means nothing to you. [TS]
01:51:55 ◼ ► So you need to be legally the guitarist things as well I didn't know that depends on the band sometimes that little [TS]
01:52:05 ◼ ► or two big hits where I'm missing out like it was like all of the songs of the one the Brady sings [TS]
01:52:19 ◼ ► Yeah you seem like a man who would enjoy the drum out enjoy the to violence of the drums the caveman bang here at like [TS]
01:52:29 ◼ ► You're bit too much down the back way although when I had to go to kicks a car to watch the drummer [TS]
01:52:32 ◼ ► and think wow the psycho donated the drummer seems like they're doing the most they seem the most active it's good [TS]
01:52:44 ◼ ► So if it's grey I have you know how I want to tell you that this invention of mine which is code the prick humble this [TS]
01:52:57 ◼ ► but not only there is let's forget the bread humble side of it I cannot wait to tell you base because this is going to [TS]
01:53:05 ◼ ► Derek from Veritasium this is he who I was just thinking would be the lead singer but yeah or there [TS]
01:53:12 ◼ ► or here he in Destin would be slugging it out forever that So this is a great moment for Derek This is like this is his [TS]
01:53:23 ◼ ► but this is also an example what I think is a brick Kumble OK my my friend map aka are you know as well friend of yours [TS]
01:53:35 ◼ ► and cause i'm so for stand up mathematician he sort of mixes comedy mathematics last year he brought out a book very [TS]
01:53:53 ◼ ► and said Braddy got some news for you in the I'm a new addition in the paperback edition. [TS]
01:54:00 ◼ ► I've put even ignore the Germans you know because I help promote a spoken of help from a human is not to videos [TS]
01:54:09 ◼ ► and I'm like wow like I don't think of a beginning knowledge of knowledge into the book before it touched on looking on [TS]
01:54:16 ◼ ► alike right I was a bit pleased with myself I bet you were so I said are thanks man you know you didn't have to do that [TS]
01:54:29 ◼ ► Some copy editor took it upon themselves and changed your name from Brady to Bradley. [TS]
01:54:38 ◼ ► And it's been printed however many thousands in the new in the new paperback edition of matchbooks I went from not [TS]
01:54:46 ◼ ► being in the dollars of the hard back to being in the misspelled a girl which means I've got here in front of me. [TS]
01:54:59 ◼ ► and he signed it he said Do not look at page four fifty three from Matt that I went straight to bed for fifty three [TS]
01:55:14 ◼ ► when those at the sperm I that if Bradley have never felt them who's filmed me for you to be dominoes pies miles on [TS]
01:55:27 ◼ ► Humble because the whole point of sang it I'm in the conventions of a book is to then say and no one knows who I am [TS]
01:55:38 ◼ ► And I think Derek should also have an arsenal smart himself after only this is just yeah this is just karmic justice [TS]
01:55:52 ◼ ► and the I think it was the last pod cast you did it you had one that was so distorted I didn't even make it so I didn't [TS]
01:55:58 ◼ ► you cry got into my usual Yeah as I said I thought you were making some just bizarre reference to other people I didn't [TS]
01:56:09 ◼ ► So that's why I didn't have my usual whisper of trying to make sure that people who don't know who the heck you're [TS]
01:56:13 ◼ ► talking about actually get to hear the correct thing that was saying that one was really was far off the reservation so [TS]
01:56:26 ◼ ► What you do I got my Japanese I still don't get how this is this is brag humbling this seems to me just like a humble [TS]
01:56:36 ◼ ► but these bellman name wrong I don't think I think that I think having I think being so unknown that the copyeditor [TS]
01:56:43 ◼ ► thought well that can't be anyone's name that just change it to what I think the name especially you were just [TS]
01:56:49 ◼ ► imagining what a copy editor is thinking this is there's no there's no evidence for their no [TS]
01:56:58 ◼ ► Whatever is I for an auto for if they wouldn't they wouldn't get it wrong if it was diffuse thinking Tom Hanks. [TS]
01:57:05 ◼ ► But your proof you pursue mean that it could have been Tim hanks of auto correct does something weird if someone's [TS]
01:57:13 ◼ ► OK you're just a humble narrow your own you're trying to make this bizarre brag humble that I still can't even [TS]
01:57:24 ◼ ► Hey look at me Get Me I'm a big no mention of a book I'm awesome. And then I got my name. [TS]
01:57:30 ◼ ► This is just a shaggy dog humble brag that's all this isn't a group that's all this one no because Hubble preggers all [TS]
01:57:36 ◼ ► about intent and I know my intent and this you accusing me of having different intent is that what you're doing [TS]
01:57:41 ◼ ► and you accusing me are you a Q Do you think you can come telling the story because I want to brag about made me not [TS]
01:57:48 ◼ ► use this book because I think it's funny that my name was wrong I think you're telling the story because you think it's [TS]
01:57:53 ◼ ► funny that your narrow thank you very much. I rest my legs are no more questions your honor. [TS]
01:57:57 ◼ ► No grass and you're on a recession. Power power Max But don't worry I'm going to pull this from the file. [TS]
01:58:08 ◼ ► I do see opportunity here because they can be of because they will correct this in the next edition at which point it [TS]
01:58:16 ◼ ► will become a humble brag but also that Maine like that upside down plane on the stamp. [TS]
01:58:30 ◼ ► and I'm going to sign the three copies from Bradley Herod health that if a limited edition. [TS]
01:58:39 ◼ ► I think you're getting things done option of God here. This could be the only charge anyone ever has to own this book. [TS]
01:58:52 ◼ ► and of if you know this is again this is just how conversations go every can get the exaggerated it's going to be that [TS]
01:59:00 ◼ ► Matt Parker wrote a book about through which the entire thing you were misnamed the Bradley the end result here that [TS]
01:59:19 ◼ ► when you tell the story again that's what it's going to be all in fan just just just a machine just to make great feel [TS]
01:59:27 ◼ ► bad all I'm saying is keep a lookout for the signed Bradley Heritage Action which would be some to raise money for [TS]
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02:02:54 ◼ ► Perhaps is plane crash corner you know that's what you figure out OK Alright let's roll that wasn't where I thought you [TS]
02:03:03 ◼ ► were GO AHEAD This is why don't you tell me about your iris to an artist to at the time sensitive once you're on we [TS]
02:03:08 ◼ ► I'm sorry cry hero we have three tickets quickly to plane crashed on a let's do it really quickly because I haven't got [TS]
02:03:13 ◼ ► much to say this and and I almost never have anything to say you know that we can get there at very fast. [TS]
02:03:18 ◼ ► and lots of people have been in touch with us to tell his that Grayson nemesis Roman mess now you know let's not turn [TS]
02:03:29 ◼ ► it into with they know I'm not turning it into a hijacking. I'm shaking your figs and his your big fan of his work. [TS]
02:03:55 ◼ ► and it's a good listen I play forth this into you know it's a good up such listen to cry willing to in the nights I do [TS]
02:04:02 ◼ ► want to point something out very Because last time when he when this Ted took time out from Raymond all about flags. [TS]
02:04:09 ◼ ► It was like a bit unlucky fee because you were planning to do a video on flags and [TS]
02:04:17 ◼ ► It's so good so good that because of that everyone now things because this podcast came out [TS]
02:04:23 ◼ ► and he talks about tying crashes and automation it's like he's done again. Good luck happy. [TS]
02:04:30 ◼ ► How could he isn't done again I mean it's not like we've been talking about plane crashes for far longer than you [TS]
02:04:41 ◼ ► and you've done your big like you know seminal automation video that got two hundred billion of us so it's not like [TS]
02:04:48 ◼ ► it's not like like we've been we've been scooped or anything he's just done a good pot customs interesting topics [TS]
02:05:08 ◼ ► or it's bad news for us that flag thing was a little stroke of bad luck a while ago but you know like we say no [TS]
02:05:15 ◼ ► when I was the fat they dissipate made a nice pod cast about a plane crash that happened quite a long time ago. [TS]
02:05:30 ◼ ► and if you haven't listen to ninety nine percent of the ball I think this is a good place to start. [TS]
02:05:36 ◼ ► It really it really drew me in and yes he's talking is talking about the intersection of Why Do plane crashes happen [TS]
02:05:54 ◼ ► but he puts together a very good story about the kinds of problems that can happen. [TS]
02:05:59 ◼ ► What I would say I would describe it as during a transition phase where airplane travel is more automated than it used [TS]
02:06:08 ◼ ► to be but it's not completely automated and what what happens to pilots in that phase [TS]
02:06:16 ◼ ► when it was just very interesting talking about how little time behind the steering wheel. [TS]
02:06:24 ◼ ► Pilots actually have no idea that even pilots who have been working for a long time if you go back through the logs [TS]
02:06:33 ◼ ► Terrifyingly short number even for pots have been around for a while I didn't see very much of a people trying to kick [TS]
02:06:40 ◼ ► Mostly I just thought this was a perfect episode of the intersection of our two hour to interest [TS]
02:06:47 ◼ ► but I really shouldn't have listened to it because I hate to listen to stuff about planes crashing especially because [TS]
02:06:56 ◼ ► and fly across the Atlantic again as of course I'll be thinking about this the whole time great [TS]
02:07:03 ◼ ► and not listening to this stuff it really drew me in right away so I will highly recommend that people give it a listen. [TS]
02:07:09 ◼ ► Unless they're on an airplane right now don't give a listen if your own heart not going to recommend it quite so [TS]
02:07:14 ◼ ► happily because if you are a plane crash enthusiastic like me this is this felt like trading of outer actually [TS]
02:07:24 ◼ ► and in fact this is a yeah this is old hat video pretty much every single episode of a crash investigation is likely if [TS]
02:07:34 ◼ ► and in the plane crashed so I wouldn't make it my introductory put cost two hundred amps invisible they're out there [TS]
02:07:45 ◼ ► and if you're just if you're just a cat have a casual interest in plane crashes then he will like it very much [TS]
02:07:52 ◼ ► and it was interesting it was interesting the automation part was quite interesting because it almost felt like it was [TS]
02:07:57 ◼ ► built into this kind of anti great game and along the lines of safety get too reliant on automation. [TS]
02:08:07 ◼ ► and that was that was kind of true that's that's what kind of that's what was said [TS]
02:08:11 ◼ ► when the guy was saying that he thinks pilots who sometimes mid-flight just know could out of what I posit is to have a [TS]
02:08:16 ◼ ► little fly for themselves to keep their skills and I start that are due to my flight but [TS]
02:08:24 ◼ ► Human is undercut and basically they say yes there are going to be crashes because of this reliance on automation [TS]
02:08:31 ◼ ► but overall it's a price worth paying because the automation make writing say forever oh such kind of look at it brings [TS]
02:08:37 ◼ ► out argument undercuts quite a bit there are vastly fewer accidents because of that [TS]
02:08:43 ◼ ► and I haven't it's on my listening Q I haven't listened to the Part two which is out now. [TS]
02:08:51 ◼ ► but I'm imagining I'm going to guess that the similar a similar argument that you might you might end up with for a [TS]
02:09:00 ◼ ► but overall I mean the car crash numbers are always terrifying if I forget I think it's like forty thousand people in [TS]
02:09:06 ◼ ► America year Arnold in car crashes has like if you can do anything to pull that number down. [TS]
02:09:19 ◼ ► Nine times that visible could put cast this is a good episode I would have liked a few more questions answered. [TS]
02:09:29 ◼ ► but for the for the layman like gray give a guy this is the this is the difficulty of making things for the Internet [TS]
02:09:43 ◼ ► To me everything was novel and to you it's it's old hat and I mean I'm sure when you when you make videos [TS]
02:09:53 ◼ ► when you have something that's popular you end up hearing from people who just know everything about her half across [TS]
02:10:00 ◼ ► when I have had a period from a whole bunch of Confederate scholars this yes it's like I know that you know way more [TS]
02:10:07 ◼ ► details about this but I am going for an audience of people who know nothing about this [TS]
02:10:12 ◼ ► but you can't possibly please both of those both of those crowds of you know a lot about plane crashes maybe this is [TS]
02:10:20 ◼ ► but if you're like me in try to avoid everything about plane crashes yet somehow do a podcast with a guy who always [TS]
02:10:29 ◼ ► So one law says a lot of other things we want to talk about the top where at a time really [TS]
02:10:35 ◼ ► and I have to ask you about it because you seem to be you you are the unofficial brand ambassador for read in my [TS]
02:10:42 ◼ ► opinion that this is not a job I want to know this is not a dollar so I do not want to be read at Brandeis So they're [TS]
02:10:50 ◼ ► ugly and has problems with red and my way into it was actually quite personal because I got caught [TS]
02:10:55 ◼ ► and Franco who's another number far contributor he's a mathematician based Berkeley who I make films with was doing one [TS]
02:11:05 ◼ ► and I want to send more traffic towards it not that not that read it needs my help build in traffic [TS]
02:11:12 ◼ ► but hey everyone my Ed is doing an Ask me anything if you want to go and catch him go to it [TS]
02:11:17 ◼ ► and about five minutes after I tweeted and I went back to say what was happening and it had been shut down [TS]
02:11:32 ◼ ► and then over the next few hours I began to realize this was a small part of something much much bigger [TS]
02:11:38 ◼ ► and I haven't completely got my head around what's going on but they're having problems that read it this way. [TS]
02:11:46 ◼ ► Do you want to explain can you give me the executive summary of what's going down. [TS]
02:11:52 ◼ ► Yes So you mentioned you want to talk about them and I was reluctant to talk about it. [TS]
02:11:58 ◼ ► Her merrily because it's it's a complicated thing to explain and it's also really inside baseball stuff. [TS]
02:12:08 ◼ ► So I I'm not quite sure how to explain it without going into a whole bunch of detail the people who don't know anything [TS]
02:12:14 ◼ ► about Reddit won't care at all about Chad I shagged Splenda as art. Maybe would hope you to him. [TS]
02:12:24 ◼ ► Yeah that's a good starting point as a good hour tell us what your Purcell and tell you my perception of what happened. [TS]
02:12:29 ◼ ► My perception of what happened is this woman who works for read it as like a paid employee of read it [TS]
02:12:40 ◼ ► And she organizes lots of things and is involved in various parts of read it and one of her jobs. [TS]
02:12:47 ◼ ► Section where quite often famous people come on and on to questions from Red is now she was suddenly [TS]
02:13:18 ◼ ► We're very displeased about this woman losing her job and how it was handled I thought it was on set [TS]
02:13:27 ◼ ► Thanks basically crippled sections of the website by setting things to private making them inaccessible [TS]
02:13:34 ◼ ► and I've made that's basically shut down bits of read it out of protest and as a result. [TS]
02:13:40 ◼ ► Normal users like me who aren't ready and moderators or anything a lot of the sections we like easing [TS]
02:13:45 ◼ ► and now ham strung as this battle goes on between the volunteer moderators to sticking up for this woman called [TS]
02:13:56 ◼ ► Who who took away this woman's job for whatever reason that's what I think happened you know. [TS]
02:14:09 ◼ ► But even even that even that to me is a bit as a bit specific I think I may be here the way I would try to describe [TS]
02:14:17 ◼ ► this in the most general terms about what's going on at rhetoric is I would say about a year ago there was a change in [TS]
02:14:27 ◼ ► leadership at read it the people who are running red at the company today ownership change cry it was a just knew [TS]
02:14:43 ◼ ► and since since that time there have been a lot of things that some portion of the people who use Reddit don't like [TS]
02:14:58 ◼ ► and as read it has gotten popular there are there are other kinds of problems with the site that they don't seem to be [TS]
02:15:09 ◼ ► and what I would say has happened with read it in just the past few days is a bit like a riot in in that the people [TS]
02:15:19 ◼ ► running read it have what I would describe as as high negative numbers that the vast majority of people who visit read [TS]
02:15:27 ◼ ► a don't know anything about anything how the site run by They're just going to see funny caption. [TS]
02:15:32 ◼ ► But insiders have a very negative reaction to the leadership of read it so if you imagine a graph is like a spike at [TS]
02:15:41 ◼ ► the at the left hand side for negative numbers and the vast majority of people are neutral. [TS]
02:15:46 ◼ ► when you say leadership you want to finding the people the money people eating it not the people who like these informal [TS]
02:15:57 ◼ ► or the owners of the cat I'm using leadership in a slightly broad term care for his mother met like people who own the [TS]
02:16:03 ◼ ► or run the Yemeni that that's what I mean again it's the vast majority of users don't really care they don't really [TS]
02:16:11 ◼ ► On luck a lot of men here when bus drivers go on strike like I don't really care about the strongest salaries [TS]
02:16:21 ◼ ► and so they're just a lot of problems that have been building up among a small group of people this is particularly the [TS]
02:16:33 ◼ ► but are not employed by Red have felt that they don't read it has not helped them with the tools that they need as the [TS]
02:16:42 ◼ ► and so this is this Victoria person who this now this is a case rife I fall into it as I am only dimly aware of her [TS]
02:16:48 ◼ ► but it also falls into the category of Victoria is a bit like the opposite of the Reddit administration in that the [TS]
02:16:57 ◼ ► but the people who do know who she is she has a big spike in her positive for so her so her curve her likability curve [TS]
02:17:16 ◼ ► and then they is fact the leadership has gotten rid of someone who has very high positive number [TS]
02:17:23 ◼ ► and this is like a collision that has occurred that has made a group of the users very angry [TS]
02:17:30 ◼ ► and then has has caused this little bit of our of our Like I said it's a bit like it feels like a riot it doesn't [TS]
02:17:37 ◼ ► necessarily have anything to do with the particulars of what happened anything could kick it off big [TS]
02:17:45 ◼ ► and yes I think the the the details of the way this situation have been handled have have been very hand fisted have [TS]
02:17:52 ◼ ► been very poorly done but it just felt like there was a fire that's been waiting to happen. [TS]
02:17:58 ◼ ► And this firing of Victoria happen to be the the thing but but it was just building up [TS]
02:18:04 ◼ ► and building up so I think that's the highest level way to describe what is what is occurring how do you say the future [TS]
02:18:11 ◼ ► bookings had to say this is like is this is just going to blow it verges say change happening as a result like how have [TS]
02:18:27 ◼ ► and one thing one thing that is a number that you can put on it is that there is a petition on Change dot org asking [TS]
02:18:35 ◼ ► or Read it to step down that has a hundred thousand signatures on it which is not an insignificant number of people [TS]
02:18:45 ◼ ► Has definitely demonstrated a a lack of understanding for Internet culture might be the might be the way to put it it's [TS]
02:18:57 ◼ ► and ensure they everything that they're doing indicates to you that they don't know what they're doing there been a few [TS]
02:19:02 ◼ ► events that so that aggravate people you're running the biggest discussion website on the internet you should really [TS]
02:19:09 ◼ ► knows maybe ship read a statement on his My Space I don't I don't know where the future of this is going. [TS]
02:19:16 ◼ ► I feel partly that this is the this is the recurring problem that we see on the Internet that in many ways are like the [TS]
02:19:23 ◼ ► things that we have talked about with You Tube that the Internet has a funny way of trending toward monopolies. Yeah. [TS]
02:19:45 ◼ ► but it's it's it's like it's like you two vs video there are other discussion sites out there that people use [TS]
02:19:56 ◼ ► and I use it because I was like you do which I think has many technical problem I think the read it the discussion. [TS]
02:20:03 ◼ ► Algorithms they use are by far and away the best that's why I still use them for all of my discussions [TS]
02:20:10 ◼ ► but I think this is the same kind of problem of we have everything is now in one basket [TS]
02:20:18 ◼ ► or if things aren't going very well people get really frustrated really fast because there aren't very many options [TS]
02:20:26 ◼ ► and I don't know if there's a way to do I can open source distributed commenting system in the same way that e-mail is [TS]
02:20:36 ◼ ► Is an open platform the way we host our podcast I don't know if that's a kind of thing that can happen with with [TS]
02:20:43 ◼ ► comments but because I just don't because here's the thing people have talked about before how before read it. [TS]
02:20:50 ◼ ► Dig was one of the bigger sites in the dig went through problems and everybody left dig for read it [TS]
02:20:55 ◼ ► and now he's read it going through the same thing well if everybody leaves read it for something else I mean the [TS]
02:21:01 ◼ ► probably the largest contender right now is a site called Vote if people leave read it for vote I don't see how this is [TS]
02:21:07 ◼ ► necessarily going to be any different to what we've just we just kick the can down the road of what happens then [TS]
02:21:22 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know what's going to happen to read it in the future I think that read it is is great in the [TS]
02:21:29 ◼ ► comments but the way things have been handled I don't I do not think it been handled very well [TS]
02:21:35 ◼ ► and there this thing I mention a couple times is there this problem on the Internet called a strides [TS]
02:21:56 ◼ ► and the example here is that Barbra Streisand many years ago was unhappy that there were some photos of her house on [TS]
02:22:03 ◼ ► and hurt her very actions to try to get rid of those photos is what caused those photos to become popular [TS]
02:22:11 ◼ ► and to eventually have an effect named after as the it's like the exact opposite of what anybody would ever want [TS]
02:22:21 ◼ ► and affect the in the past couple months where there are things about the site that they don't like [TS]
02:22:28 ◼ ► and then they try to change them and I think it just ends up making those things more popular or more intense [TS]
02:22:35 ◼ ► or it ends up making those things have higher visibility are you talking about base a piece of sections of read of I [TS]
02:22:41 ◼ ► tried to sort of sob so get rid of a never even looking at the more oh yeah I get the again the details of those things [TS]
02:22:48 ◼ ► are very hard to even talk about without making everybody angry or I also think without making the situation worse [TS]
02:22:59 ◼ ► and I've been to the bit something on my mind which is kind of related to this that I don't I don't know how to [TS]
02:23:04 ◼ ► articulate this but it's something in my mind of how there are there are bad thing that happened in the world [TS]
02:23:15 ◼ ► but sometimes I don't know how to talk about them in a way that I don't that I don't think makes the situation worse. [TS]
02:23:26 ◼ ► I think there are there are very much. I think in just talking about and in a very broad context. [TS]
02:23:34 ◼ ► When people try to do something like banning an idea I think all that happens very often is you end up consolidating [TS]
02:23:50 ◼ ► You've ended up making them feel now like they are warriors is against injustice and so I'm [TS]
02:24:00 ◼ ► when I think about stuff on the Internet one of the reasons why I always liked read it is the Internet is kind of a [TS]
02:24:20 ◼ ► and everybody can everybody can see what those ideas are even if they're not good ones [TS]
02:24:28 ◼ ► when you try to say oh we want to remove some of these ideas from the table I think it just makes the whole situation [TS]
02:24:34 ◼ ► worse. I think it makes people angry and it makes people who are trying to do good in the world. [TS]
02:24:43 ◼ ► Less aware of what the what the nature of people's minds are if you can't see what all the ideas on on the table are [TS]
02:24:52 ◼ ► and I'm trying to talk about it in very general terms because talking about anything in particular you end up just in [TS]
02:24:57 ◼ ► like inflaming an argument I mean I wanted to ask you about the Confederate flag and if aside [TS]
02:25:05 ◼ ► but I say this this is the very thing like we discussed the Confederate flag video. [TS]
02:25:10 ◼ ► My most recently the Oh My most recent video before it went up because I was fit I was having this same feeling [TS]
02:25:20 ◼ ► and I could see that I was getting the same kind of reaction that people from different ends of the spectrum like they [TS]
02:25:29 ◼ ► strengthen their opinion so I'm going to give us as well as if I can pull up something. [TS]
02:25:37 ◼ ► They were really quick because is a perfect example. OK Here we go perfect I found it and that's just great. [TS]
02:25:48 ◼ ► OK so yeah the Confederate flag stuff I don't want to get into any of the details about this argument I just want to [TS]
02:25:56 ◼ ► when I was doing the research for the Confederate flag video I happened to stumble upon a poll from Pew Research that [TS]
02:26:05 ◼ ► people who do all the polls in America. About people's reactions to the Confederate flag. [TS]
02:26:16 ◼ ► So here we are time I like positive negative reactions to Victoria before this is the same thing for the slack. [TS]
02:26:24 ◼ ► when shown a Confederate flag the reaction that Americans had nine percent of Americans had a positive reaction thirty [TS]
02:26:40 ◼ ► and the rest said that they had no reaction to the Confederate flag they didn't feel one way or the other. [TS]
02:26:46 ◼ ► OK So this is several years ago now we've had this whole big brouhaha over the Confederate flag recently I would bet [TS]
02:26:55 ◼ ► money that what has happened now is that that almost sixty percent of people who had no reaction to the flag that group [TS]
02:27:07 ◼ ► Right that there's almost no Americans who would say they have no reaction to the Confederate flag [TS]
02:27:12 ◼ ► but here's the thing I would bet that both numbers have increased that Americans who feel negative about the flag have [TS]
02:27:22 ◼ ► but I would also bet that that nine percent of Americans who have a positive reaction that that number has increased as [TS]
02:27:31 ◼ ► and how to I was going to say how to come to the had this massive inappropriate you've taken a bunch of new truce [TS]
02:27:37 ◼ ► and force them to decide you know I did however there's no room for your child anymore Game Camp IO campaign of course [TS]
02:27:46 ◼ ► and what I was trying to put together that Confederate flag video I had several people tell me this this exact same thing [TS]
02:27:52 ◼ ► of the I don't know even how to put the people people said you can no longer make a video that is neutral on the [TS]
02:28:01 ◼ ► Confederate flag that if you if you just want to talk about where the flag came from [TS]
02:28:07 ◼ ► and you don't finish that video with and by the way it's a horrible symbol of injustice [TS]
02:28:13 ◼ ► and should be banned from people's brains for all of time that you are implicitly indorsing horrible I had people tell [TS]
02:28:35 ◼ ► and this is this is a bit like I don't know I felt like I was trying to get at this with my my my video about they [TS]
02:28:47 ◼ ► and I don't I don't know if it's I don't know this is what I mean where I think it's hard to have a conversation about [TS]
02:28:55 ◼ ► a thing that doesn't make the situation worse like it is it is on doubtable now that seeing a Confederate flag in [TS]
02:29:07 ◼ ► twenty fifteen going forward as different much worse reactions for people than it did in two thousand [TS]
02:29:15 ◼ ► and fourteen an earlier and we can know that because of this this Pew poll and it's [TS]
02:29:20 ◼ ► but like my parents were tired down to the south and it was just like I would see Confederate flags around [TS]
02:29:27 ◼ ► and I always thought that was kind of weird as a Northerner but I'm going to be really curious that [TS]
02:29:33 ◼ ► Are they all gone I wonder I don't I don't know which way this is going to go I'm sometimes hesitant to talk about some [TS]
02:29:45 ◼ ► or the other it's because I don't know how to have the conversation in a way that I think makes things better. [TS]
02:29:53 ◼ ► Not your job as a hose to just not your job you don't have to do that I would follow encourage you not to make things [TS]
02:30:01 ◼ ► but you are allowed to be useful I think that there are ways in which you can be thinking that you're making a something [TS]
02:30:07 ◼ ► better when you're actually making it worse that just by talking about a thing that gets spread means [TS]
02:30:14 ◼ ► or a good spreads ideas in a way that meant that makes things worse than they were before. [TS]
02:30:21 ◼ ► I'm not doing a good job of explaining this is been on Mamata was just kind of I think what you say is true. [TS]
02:30:27 ◼ ► Everything you're saying is true Bossi think greatly reflects your just kind of your cautious nature [TS]
02:30:33 ◼ ► and you you think a lot about all the different ways things could go before you act on it did a bit more. [TS]
02:30:46 ◼ ► but that's not what I meant that you know you do you think that three quite a bit I think I think it's perfectly valid [TS]
02:30:55 ◼ ► and discuss things you truly I have no opinion on what's going on to read it I don't I don't really have a strong [TS]
02:31:00 ◼ ► opinion on the Confederate flag thing I'm a little bit on the little bit misinformed [TS]
02:31:05 ◼ ► or uninformed I should say rather misinformed I did rate today that the person who owns the generally come from the [TS]
02:31:11 ◼ ► cheeks of Hazard who happens to be the goal for a famous go for call Bubba Watson is Manning to paint over the [TS]
02:31:17 ◼ ► Confederate flag on that car with the United States flag and I think that's a bit crazy. [TS]
02:31:24 ◼ ► I mean I don't think you should be painting what it would have you think about that Fleck now I think you should be [TS]
02:31:32 ◼ ► But that I am I mean I know it's a purpose a long bow to describe it generally is a piece of history but it kind of is. [TS]
02:31:40 ◼ ► Say And and I I think it's perfectly fine to talk about it and explain the facts of a situation [TS]
02:31:47 ◼ ► and not not have a strong opinion on a I have no strong opinion on a I find it funny that the I'm fortunate murder of [TS]
02:31:58 ◼ ► but I mean that again that's yeah that's the details of the situation of which I am woefully uninformed as usual I'm [TS]
02:32:11 ◼ ► and people were talking about how Apple was removing all games that have the Confederate flag has a that's our regions [TS]
02:32:17 ◼ ► where did this come from and then I have to I'm in the weird position of always having to trace the news. [TS]
02:32:27 ◼ ► and you know because again it because I don't follow the news you see the pattern really clearly of the news cycle [TS]
02:32:50 ◼ ► but so that's why I came across as very late in the say they for you it started as a as flags being banned from [TS]
02:32:59 ◼ ► That's exactly right which you can see from my perspective the what the heck is it where did this come from [TS]
02:33:06 ◼ ► Out anything that has occurred from my perspective is just out of the blue apple says Confederate flags are not allowed [TS]
02:33:13 ◼ ► in video game like how we tried to have a general conversation immediately ended up discussing this Pacific of the [TS]
02:33:18 ◼ ► but yeah to draw it to draw it back to to read it I guess is what I was going to say it with the Streisand Effect where [TS]
02:33:28 ◼ ► the really trying to go with that is that the people on Reddit have been critical of the leadership [TS]
02:33:45 ◼ ► and like OK that is a perfect example of a Streisand Effect situation you know of people are criticizing you on your [TS]
02:34:01 ◼ ► but I don't think there would be nearly as much anger if it wasn't for the fact that there's there's trying to try to [TS]
02:34:10 ◼ ► And that's why I'm generally very hesitant against any kind of moves to refer to remove ideas from the table to say we [TS]
02:34:19 ◼ ► can't discuss this here I just I don't think that that's that's good even if the ideas are awful like that that's the [TS]
02:34:29 ◼ ► I did one hundred percent agree that gray someone drops a comment under one of my videos about the person in the video [TS]
02:34:35 ◼ ► and says something completely outrageous and offensive. I I would not be uncomfortable deleting that comment. [TS]
02:34:43 ◼ ► I've asked I want to make that comment some rooms with like a you know they going to go into a new right on your own we [TS]
02:34:50 ◼ ► but you know doing a mind just because someone writes someone if someone wants to make a billboard saying something [TS]
02:34:59 ◼ ► but I can't stop them boating it to the front of my house it's a bit different on your You Tube channel because that's [TS]
02:35:04 ◼ ► something you are not running a general purpose platform for discussion. Yeah and ideas for him. [TS]
02:35:16 ◼ ► and then that's why in the in the last year it's been more about come here to talk about anything except the thing that [TS]
02:35:31 ◼ ► Right where it's the ultimate thing here is a you're making a decision about what is allowed [TS]
02:35:37 ◼ ► or what is not allowed to be talking Yeah and I'm OK with it like red it has taken down stuff. [TS]
02:35:45 ◼ ► and I think that that is an acceptable boundary to have you were operating within the United States in the United [TS]
02:35:54 ◼ ► Find it it's taken down I don't think anybody argues with that that's quite reasonable [TS]
02:36:04 ◼ ► and so if stuff is a legal I'm always OK with a lot of easily you should take that down that you have to take it down [TS]
02:36:09 ◼ ► but other than that I think it's very difficult to have conversations that are are bounded are bound in some way I just [TS]
02:36:17 ◼ ► generally don't I generally don't react very well to that outside this because if excess of of what the discussion is [TS]
02:36:24 ◼ ► but other then I found myself in a weird situation if you're always on the side of of people that you don't necessarily [TS]
02:36:31 ◼ ► but that's what you have to do if if if you want ideas to be on the table if you don't want them to be removed from the [TS]
02:36:36 ◼ ► table if you have to be able to defend the ones that you don't like their presence if not their content. [TS]
02:36:47 ◼ ► but not for the first I would for the last no no for the last I tell you about this like a long does a lot of things we [TS]
02:37:05 ◼ ► I don't I think right I think we've been recorded quota we have now is that as been two hours and forty two minutes. [TS]
02:37:14 ◼ ► Yeah I mean you know it started off Sunny the weather turned stormy and rainy here [TS]