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H.I. #42: Never and Always


00:00:00   Adding on the ground is warning a I'm about to touch my microphone I finished watching the markets right now I haven't [TS]

00:00:06   I'm going to try some more I think I've told you this but I mean as you know [TS]

00:00:11   when I look at my office window I can see out to the Bristol Channel [TS]

00:00:15   and our club can see ships going by that I recently found out there's a website that is a bit like those flight [TS]

00:00:22   tracking websites where you can follow plans except for ships. [TS]

00:00:26   Loser Now whenever I see a ship I called up this Web site and I can look at what it is [TS]

00:00:31   and what its code of merits from and stuff like that. Rico. [TS]

00:00:34   All of that is that is very cool nudist at a very cool if I have to say I am way more interested in that than than [TS]

00:00:43   planes I am obsessed with cargo containers I love cargo containers [TS]

00:00:50   and the idea of a gigantic ship that is filled with cargo containers is extremely interesting to me so I would be very [TS]

00:00:57   interested in seeing the live ship tracking Web site in a way that I would be not so interested in seeing a live [TS]

00:01:04   aircraft tracking spreadsheet website even though they're almost the exact same thing if I could arrange for us to do [TS]

00:01:11   like a trip on a cargo ship across the Atlantic would you do it. [TS]

00:01:16   That's interesting we could see the pod cast from a container ship they take a long time though they take a long time [TS]

00:01:23   don't thing to get across the Atlantic I know a guy that doesn't he's a scientist [TS]

00:01:29   and I think the university is Dhabi and he's caught environmentally conscious and doesn't want to fly and [TS]

00:01:36   when in the US to go to conferences in America he goes on container ships that is way worse. [TS]

00:01:41   Environmentally flying on an aircraft. [TS]

00:01:44   Those enormous container ships put out put out on godly amounts of carbon dioxide that's being environment that they [TS]

00:01:52   get what they doing anyway it's not like he's creating demand for them. [TS]

00:01:56   Yes but the plane is flying anyway this is the kind of environmental stuff that drives me crazy. [TS]

00:02:02   Through it like oh I'm going to help the invite. [TS]

00:02:04   By doing a thing that sounds better but is actually worse that kind of stuff I eat that stuff. [TS]

00:02:12   Like what's is alternative everybody start taking cargo ships if everybody does what he does [TS]

00:02:16   and the demand for cargo ships goes up and we're in a much worse situation that is just I hate that stuff. [TS]

00:02:24   Sorry the University of Nottingham chemistry department who are so if we see much love to me in close to my heart [TS]

00:02:30   beating this carbon neutral lab which is a big deal [TS]

00:02:33   and it's like the world class environmentally friendly building it's made of wood and things like that [TS]

00:02:39   and it was nearly finished that nearly finished building about a year ago and there was a fire. [TS]

00:02:44   Aside and the whole thing bend down and having to do it again [TS]

00:02:47   and the amount of grief they're getting there you know people jokingly saying are carbon neutral. [TS]

00:02:51   You've just been burnt the whole post Echo would and so going up into the cabin to come straight back up into the sky. [TS]

00:02:58   But at least at least that that's accidental. That's not on purpose. [TS]

00:03:02   Sometimes I find some of the environmental stuff is the equivalent of intentionally burning down a carbon neutral [TS]

00:03:08   building traveling on the cargo ship is is is equivalent to that to me I don't know I don't know I haven't I haven't [TS]

00:03:15   thought through the implications of what you say about the carriage [TS]

00:03:18   and core of tonight just I just accept what is happening [TS]

00:03:21   and I have I don't I am sure people it's nice it's what will hear about I may be wrong [TS]

00:03:26   but my impression is that there there are votes are there are far fewer cargo ships than you think there are [TS]

00:03:34   but that they have an enormous carbon footprint I just thought it wasn't the carbon it's other chemicals that they were [TS]

00:03:41   lace that bad [TS]

00:03:42   and their carbon emissions on catastrophic it's the it's the other poisons people innocent I people are smarter than us [TS]

00:03:50   the Internet will know vastly more about this topic than we do just was wildly speculating [TS]

00:03:54   and getting off topic before we have even begun. [TS]

00:03:58   Yes this is a great tradition now and I'm just going to do is imposed on us because people people. [TS]

00:04:04   Very sensitive to have a voice is and and our emotions in at moods so people might think I sound flat [TS]

00:04:10   or terrible something today there has been a bereavement in my family. [TS]

00:04:15   This wake my father in law who was very very much loved by all of us including me. [TS]

00:04:21   Died this week as you know you've been really understanding [TS]

00:04:25   and we've had to reschedule the pod casts no sorts of things like that and it's a terror terrible loss of the family. [TS]

00:04:30   I won't talk too much about him on the pod cast because frankly he was a he was just a real down to earth man [TS]

00:04:36   and I think he was bemused by things like my job and you cheapen pod casts [TS]

00:04:41   and he was a he was a he was a proper man's man but he did like my work because it provides for his daughter. [TS]

00:04:47   So anyway. [TS]

00:04:48   Wrist and rest in peace today who I really really loved and I tell you what has the final week [TS]

00:04:54   or so with him also taught me what fabulous people the people who work in hospices and even [TS]

00:05:00   and people who follow me on Twitter [TS]

00:05:01   and things that are probably going to see me raising a bit of money for hospices over the next few weeks so you'll [TS]

00:05:06   understand why. [TS]

00:05:09   So that said there was some uncharted found out something interesting as a result later in the week because we went [TS]

00:05:16   along to handle some things to do with that the death certificate. [TS]

00:05:19   Obviously this does paperwork and things like that when people pass away so it's this registrar's office [TS]

00:05:26   and I found two really interesting things about death certificates that I didn't mind one is that all the registrars [TS]

00:05:33   around the country that to the Births Deaths and Marriages have special. Sure. [TS]

00:05:37   Inc that is supplied only to them you and I can down by the sink from the shops [TS]

00:05:42   but it's the special into that use that you then stick the you know the fountain pen in [TS]

00:05:47   and do all the signing with presumably for sort of forensic reasons so they can say yes this was registrars Inc that [TS]

00:05:53   was signed with and not just at Penn from Staples. [TS]

00:05:58   Haha so that was interesting is that it's the it's a security feature. Yes Yeah. [TS]

00:06:03   Ha I believe side but the other thing that was interesting was [TS]

00:06:07   when we were having this to fix it printed out the registrar said how many certificates would you like because you know [TS]

00:06:14   you need a number for dealing with all the different banks and things like that so we said enough [TS]

00:06:20   and I think we said Protect we said Ted I think which is a bit higher than normal [TS]

00:06:23   but we thought well we might as we'll get a bunch. [TS]

00:06:26   So she pulled out this the sort of the watermarked paper from a drawer in her desk [TS]

00:06:32   and just put them in the printer like in the print to try [TS]

00:06:35   and out printed the certificates on to the special paper which she then signed with a special ink [TS]

00:06:40   when I was looking at the paper which she just had a remote sitting there. [TS]

00:06:44   And I made some comment she could tell I was interested No they sings [TS]

00:06:48   and she told me that these bits of paper that I print death certificates on and Versa to focus [TS]

00:06:52   and things like that is also highly secure and a blank piece of that paper a blank a four piece of paper that U.K. [TS]

00:07:01   Death certificates [TS]

00:07:02   and versatile ficus a printed on those sell for five hundred pounds on the black market a blank piece of paper. [TS]

00:07:11   The you the same paper for the birth certificates [TS]

00:07:12   and the death certificate that recently they had changed to that I believe they used to be different [TS]

00:07:17   but now I think the same is not amazing life beginning and ending on a piece of paper. [TS]

00:07:22   Well that's a whole other thing but it is it is there is a funny sort of paperwork failing to they things isn't there. [TS]

00:07:30   She was telling me that one time from her office is a cipher got stolen they used to have a small Sykes that that was [TS]

00:07:37   where able to pick up and the safe got taken taken to a local park and somehow they opened it [TS]

00:07:42   and I took out all the petty cash and then the police code said you want to come and get you say back [TS]

00:07:47   and I went got there safe and it still had reams [TS]

00:07:50   and reams of this paper with five hundred pounds a shared laughter as the case of the fees not knowing what they have [TS]

00:07:56   Exactly exactly. [TS]

00:07:58   Those druggies man I've got a lot to learn about the value of peace and hope those was of had egg on their face. [TS]

00:08:05   Heard about that anyway. [TS]

00:08:08   Five hundred pounds for a piece of paper it's amazing that the value of something like a birth [TS]

00:08:12   or death certificate on the black market. [TS]

00:08:14   Yes presume Presumably you're trying to create a fictional people with birth certificates I imagine they're probably [TS]

00:08:21   using it for birth certificate or the death certificate or and to do things to do with citizenship out imagine [TS]

00:08:26   and things like I guess getting to live in countries not supposed to live in that's what they're what the paper for the [TS]

00:08:33   any rushing production they go. [TS]

00:08:37   Interesting yeah so also as a result of that sort of it's in my family this week I haven't sort of been exercising [TS]

00:08:47   and often aging out a lot and doing a lot of that sort of thing so I have abandoned my diet for the last week [TS]

00:08:54   and a half on back on it now Greg. [TS]

00:08:56   Are being have been calorie counting since yesterday again [TS]

00:08:59   but I did I did give myself some time off so I think that's that's more than fair. [TS]

00:09:05   Thank you thank you say I have I also have not weighed myself because I dare not look [TS]

00:09:11   but also I can't find my scales at the moment because their houses being majorly redecorated at night [TS]

00:09:16   and I'm having to fill up rooms with things here there [TS]

00:09:19   and everywhere in Moscow I was a hidden away in an office somewhere probably under a pile of books so I am I am [TS]

00:09:26   forfeiting my point to you. [TS]

00:09:29   We shared the points that I first why and I'm going to force a point I mean we couldn't we could not do weigh in [TS]

00:09:35   but I think that would be fair on that because you have a message vantage next time [TS]

00:09:38   and so I'd rather just for the point [TS]

00:09:40   and so here here is here's what I think we should do OK I think it's special circumstances this week that the point [TS]

00:09:49   doesn't count [TS]

00:09:51   but I'm going to start from this point right because yes if we are we were ourselves in a month you are like a week [TS]

00:10:00   and a half behind if you see what I'm saying so while I have a victory this week in terms of weight loss I don't want [TS]

00:10:08   this to actually go on the on the chart was winning more points than other point I don't care why did the grass feel [TS]

00:10:16   like it would make it more Boris if I can come back from a versatile [TS]

00:10:19   and if you were able to come back from adversity and win anyway. Yeah and we can give me. [TS]

00:10:27   There are one point well I give I win by one point I don't want that situation. Ok called the C.R. [TS]

00:10:35   This is good I like this is a win win for me because I can do the epic come from behind victory [TS]

00:10:40   but if I got it right it doesn't matter I thought you might agree to this is an area in which it's all upside for Brady [TS]

00:10:48   is going to happen side from anything to generous but you know how did you do. [TS]

00:10:51   I was really determine this week of of making sure that I beat you [TS]

00:10:57   and I was thinking Man All right this is I'm not going to I'm not going to let Brady when I'm all in on this [TS]

00:11:02   and I've been very good with what I'm eating [TS]

00:11:05   and in the way of these things I lost less weight than the first time around which I didn't think I was being very good [TS]

00:11:11   at all so I am down two pounds which is point nine kilogram couldn't fight crime again why myself I might get the point [TS]

00:11:20   anyway I'm going to say when I'm gone from this guy was under those books and find it just in case. [TS]

00:11:28   I'm doing this for you really. [TS]

00:11:32   He's actually gone away now and I'm just sitting at home listening to the sounds of Brady pushing around books boxes [TS]

00:11:42   or other things. [TS]

00:11:44   I hope you do in our internet listening to just me rambling on while I wait for Brady I hope he gets a point [TS]

00:11:52   and genuinely do I hear hear the sound of his turning Brady giggling in the background. You know it's funny. [TS]

00:12:02   Hello yeah I actually just took like oh my clothes us by the way I like after I retire James often my things that I [TS]

00:12:11   think of life as possible which means I'm guessing here my books. [TS]

00:12:19   Hang on I'm going to check what the previous way was you need a spreadsheet I had to make a spreadsheet for that I like [TS]

00:12:26   New York with the going to keep track of my app does Assange. Would be so glorious if you win anyway. [TS]

00:12:33   Irony last point two of a kilogram. What do you think point three I lost point nine R.K. [TS]

00:12:38   Are the last point to say if you do when you can have your fake point an app [TS]

00:12:42   and I'm now sitting here pump up the sure thing [TS]

00:12:44   and I'm going to take it on because I feel a bit exposed I go you know what yeah I would feel really uncomfortable if [TS]

00:12:50   we did the rest of the pod gathered you just in your box a short arms going to do a [TS]

00:12:53   but I'm not putting the James back on but I'm going to put a show on hanging. [TS]

00:12:56   Yeah at least put a shirt on [TS]

00:12:57   or I don't know if it doesn't matter like it doesn't make any difference to the practicalities of it [TS]

00:13:01   but it would just feel weird to the I just didn't get it then they get dressed. Of has a good start to the show. [TS]

00:13:11   I'm days [TS]

00:13:12   and you know what even if you weren't I'm just glad to know that you are just you know like I hear those words [TS]

00:13:19   and now I feel like I can relax on my replace that I've even lost why did also that's a real victory for me that's [TS]

00:13:25   really encouraging. [TS]

00:13:27   My opinion on this stuff is the absolute values don't really matter now what matters is the trend line about [TS]

00:13:35   or that's the thing with this stuff and so I figure [TS]

00:13:37   and any anything that a last number even if it's a tiny last number that's still totally a win in terms of health [TS]

00:13:44   and we have seen over the messages from people telling us all the things we're doing wrong and what matters [TS]

00:13:48   and doesn't matter but to me it's it's not even about that it's about seeing numbers that motivate you [TS]

00:13:55   and even if the numbers are a shame it doesn't mean anything if they motivate me to stay healthy for another wake lay [TS]

00:14:01   dying something for me say yeah so after after that unusual interlude. [TS]

00:14:10   There's been no soft been really busy in the show. Not fuck off. [TS]

00:14:13   Off pasted lots of little things in here but there are over. E.P.T. and I'm just going to go through them in a P.T. [TS]

00:14:19   Kind of way. [TS]

00:14:20   Yeah we have a bunch of little things to go through so my think the is this show is probably going to be follow up [TS]

00:14:28   heavy [TS]

00:14:29   but it says as a lot of little topics let's let's start going through some stuff the first thing I see here is that you. [TS]

00:14:35   Someone found some of the dead whale footage you were mentioning from last episode to episode where I was kind of me [TS]

00:14:43   because really we talked about the dead while near Adelaide and all the shock sleeting and the to risk being stupid [TS]

00:14:49   and I've been rightly remember saying on T.V. [TS]

00:14:52   and I still have a lot of friends who work in television in Adelaide so I called one of them up. Thank you. [TS]

00:14:57   Even my friends at ten Eyewitness News and and if you're in if you insert a strategy [TS]

00:15:03   or even in Australia make sure you watch Channel Ten used this way because A has a little thank you. [TS]

00:15:09   Sorry to all my friends who work for Channel seven Janet and zero sum game that way. [TS]

00:15:17   So and I have found some to the footage where my friend found it provided to me I have made available. [TS]

00:15:24   Gray will link to an the bloke you can watch it. [TS]

00:15:27   It matches my memory very well but the thing I've still not found [TS]

00:15:31   and maybe it was a figment of my magination I have not found someone holding a child standing on the while [TS]

00:15:37   but I have found an idiot standing on the while and [TS]

00:15:40   and this is actually not an uncommon thing in fact it's happening at the moment of the strategy at dead while another [TS]

00:15:46   one happened a few years ago that people sent [TS]

00:15:48   but the one that I was talking about from where we wanted to show it near Adelaide I now have the footage [TS]

00:15:54   and I think it was from two thousand and two thousand and one or two men [TS]

00:16:00   when it was anyway it was a sort of footage that normally would be able to find on your trip because it was two out [TS]

00:16:05   that I had got it on the subject you want to see sharks eating a dead whale. [TS]

00:16:11   Still think in this show noted for you not just any shock leading a day wow rattle Ajax Adelaide sharks that makes them [TS]

00:16:19   better you know arcs [TS]

00:16:21   but I'm I still am I'm still insist someone did something stupid holding a child so eventually got some more e-mails [TS]

00:16:28   out of the media friends in a strata my quest is not over here you're going to track this down I'm going to get there. [TS]

00:16:35   All right all right now another picture that I was sent that I found interesting is this one has no Internet as a sleep [TS]

00:16:43   aid someone has been using hello internet. Episodes to put their baby to sleep. [TS]

00:16:51   If you click on the link they're the top of the show nights I have clicked this I have the latest from Jeff who has put [TS]

00:16:59   his young baby fifty into Slate. [TS]

00:17:02   Using what appears to be average society episode say Happy to help her often fall asleep to pod cast at audiobooks they [TS]

00:17:11   do sometimes have that effect. Yes I have I have a theory about this because I have also seen people on Twitter. [TS]

00:17:19   Complimenting us on our ability to help put them to sleep at night. [TS]

00:17:27   I totally understand that as a valuable service but we can provide to prevail [TS]

00:17:32   but it does always feel a bit I know people who use podcasts for the explicit purpose of falling asleep [TS]

00:17:40   and audiobooks and similar things. [TS]

00:17:43   My I don't do it myself [TS]

00:17:47   but my theory is that the commonality of the people I know who use podcast to fall asleep is that [TS]

00:17:55   when they're trying to get to sleep they find that their brain is racing your brain is doing that thing where it's [TS]

00:18:00   talking to itself about all kinds of stuff that you can't do now because you are about your in bed yet going to sleep [TS]

00:18:06   but your brain thinks this is an excellent time to think about all the emails that you haven't replied to [TS]

00:18:10   or you start thinking about taxes that happen to you it does appear at my most I my wife is big one for this [TS]

00:18:17   and she does use audio books in that way if she is she's a she's buzzing too much shit sometimes I just need to put an [TS]

00:18:23   audiobook on for ten minutes because I'm thinking about where cool a lot of work that needs to be on tomorrow in the [TS]

00:18:28   house things. [TS]

00:18:30   Yeah I do that most of the time when I fall asleep that isn't the case [TS]

00:18:33   but it does happen every once in a while where I'm going to use the phrase of it feels like my brain is just talking to [TS]

00:18:39   itself you know like is just like is talking away about stuff like shut up brain shut up this is nothing you can do [TS]

00:18:48   about any of it [TS]

00:18:49   and so my my theory is that pod cast an audio books the reason that they work is that they're engaging the language [TS]

00:18:58   part of your brain that your brain can't talk to itself while it's listening to something else. [TS]

00:19:04   Yeah [TS]

00:19:04   and I think that's why pod casts are effective for helping people fall asleep there might be people drifting off into [TS]

00:19:09   slumber at this very moment. Yeah she wishes we enjoy Thing them a lullaby really so it's very loose. [TS]

00:19:17   Sweet dreams Tim dream about dying on an airplane now [TS]

00:19:25   but yes so that is that is that's my theory anyway that the linguistic part of your brain is getting derailed so it [TS]

00:19:31   can't talk to itself. [TS]

00:19:32   When is listening to other pockets [TS]

00:19:34   and I think that's why many people use pod casts an audio books as a way to fall asleep. [TS]

00:19:37   It makes perfect sense to me I think you're on to something you should draw a paper about a baby however. [TS]

00:19:43   The baby looks like it probably doesn't even have a language centre of its brain. [TS]

00:19:46   No I'm not I'm not good with how well babies are I'm betting this baby can't talk that probably could have gone to [TS]

00:19:51   sleep at the sound of a jackhammer. [TS]

00:19:54   Well baby the babies you can turn them off with white noise if you just play white noise for babies. [TS]

00:19:59   It's like a it's like and neurological shutdowns which it's magic. Supports the right to sleep. [TS]

00:20:05   Babysat the only people I know that doesn't mind sleeping to white noise I do sleep till I know it as well [TS]

00:20:10   but it doesn't put me to sleep. It's if you can take a baby and put it to sleep sometimes of white noise. [TS]

00:20:17   It's it's it's really interesting in fact I seem to recode sharing a hotel room with someone who really shares hotel [TS]

00:20:24   rooms who likes to use white noise to go to sleep. [TS]

00:20:28   Asa Schiavo saying keep you thought it was cute that I meant white noise you are asleep you like [TS]

00:20:34   and it will tell you that you feel like a little tiny baby. [TS]

00:20:37   If if that's if that's what you want to that's how he want to think about it if we did share a hotel room. [TS]

00:20:43   Many years ago [TS]

00:20:44   when we knew each other far less well you'd never do it now I was a that was a long time ago in San Francisco for you [TS]

00:20:52   to believe you come I believe see we couldn't do it now because now that I know you better I would feel more empowered [TS]

00:20:58   and to write things on your face with a Sharpie while you're asleep. [TS]

00:21:01   That's exactly it because we're better friends now I could actually trust you less [TS]

00:21:07   but we were much more like strangers you have you have the social contract still holding things together [TS]

00:21:15   but now that's just out the window. [TS]

00:21:17   I'd you know I'd wake up with something indecent drawn on my food there you've got a lot you need to look yourself in a [TS]

00:21:23   room now. [TS]

00:21:26   Now I seem to have struck a nerve of some people with my talk about saying that Explorers don't really exist anymore [TS]

00:21:35   except as a T.V. Job right like a tight with people on T.V. [TS]

00:21:40   Come so yes I'm sorry everyone I was being a little bit general and the people of Puerto there use exceptions [TS]

00:21:48   and gas emissions in semantics and. [TS]

00:21:52   Anyway what is OK right I'll let you go I feel that you've got more to say about this than me. [TS]

00:21:56   Someone chew Cannery Row in the read it. [TS]

00:22:01   Gave a definition that I thought was a really good one I don't know this is original to them [TS]

00:22:05   or football from somewhere [TS]

00:22:06   but the thing that they wrote is an Explorer is someone who travel somewhere possibly not known [TS]

00:22:14   when they set out with poor expectations of what it will be like [TS]

00:22:19   when they get there with a poor idea of how they will survive [TS]

00:22:24   and without being able to contact anyone that can help them I don't know if that's perfect [TS]

00:22:31   but I thought that's a like this captures a lot of the things that I think in my mind [TS]

00:22:37   when I'm thinking about an explorer [TS]

00:22:38   and particularly that last part about not being able to contact people who can help you [TS]

00:22:46   and then the first part of not having a good expectation of what the place will be like [TS]

00:22:51   when you get there that to me is the idea like that. [TS]

00:22:54   That's what exploring is if you know what it's going to be like before you get there I'm not sure if counts as an [TS]

00:23:02   explorer [TS]

00:23:03   and the the example that I want to bring up here is someone sent a link to this guy who discovers a new rivers that he [TS]

00:23:12   goes into the forest and discovers new rivers that nobody's charted before him [TS]

00:23:16   and it's like Well as you know you like is this person [TS]

00:23:20   and explore it's sort of I couldn't quite figure out why in my mind I thought I don't feel like this really counts [TS]

00:23:27   and to me it's that first part of the the expectations. [TS]

00:23:32   You know what the force is going to be like It's not like a surprise when you find a river [TS]

00:23:37   and go This river is unlike any other river we've ever seen before. [TS]

00:23:39   It's purple you know that's not you know what a river in the force is going to be like [TS]

00:23:46   and the person probably has abilities to get in contact with people who want to help them I think if you're going down [TS]

00:23:53   a river that no human has ever gone down before you are an explorer. [TS]

00:23:59   You are an explorer I read an excellent [TS]

00:24:02   and terrifying book a while back called The River of Doubt which was about Teddy Roosevelt's expedition in Brazil. [TS]

00:24:10   Along what was called the The Rio de Dieu be at the time which was then given the the vastly inferior name River [TS]

00:24:16   Roosevelt after he went there. Come on man. [TS]

00:24:19   Like River of Doubt is such an awesome name you know the Roosevelt river is snow boring falling asleep even saying it [TS]

00:24:28   was a River of Doubt sounds like a a chapter and getting things down if you are in that time of Teddy Roosevelt's [TS]

00:24:37   and you are doing an explanation because it was looking it up. When was it the so that's right. [TS]

00:24:44   This was after his failed reelection campaign as the Bull Moose Kennedy in one thousand [TS]

00:24:50   and twelve so I think if you are coming into Darkest Brazil in nineteen twelve. [TS]

00:24:56   Along a river that nobody has any idea what all its tributaries are I'm going to count that as an explorer. [TS]

00:25:04   Yeah I think in two thousand [TS]

00:25:05   and fifteen if you're still finding Rivers I don't think it's it's a remotely comparable situation on not girl does too. [TS]

00:25:12   Yeah I think it's hard to carve out a nation. [TS]

00:25:14   Oh I thought so I think it is a bit like Oh that little tiny river there now in Linda but yeah [TS]

00:25:20   and I hear here's my question to you the example many people brought up is deep sea divers What are your thoughts on [TS]

00:25:29   deep sea divers being explores Yeah I think there is a degree of exploration going on there I think [TS]

00:25:36   when someone jumps in one of those mini submarines and goes to the bottom of the trench [TS]

00:25:42   and they're exploring that's exploring your Explorer I think even James Cameron was an explorer [TS]

00:25:48   when he went down to the bottom of the Pacific [TS]

00:25:50   and I was in the first of the I think that was exploring I agree completely that was the best counter example of deep [TS]

00:25:57   sea divers you still are deserving of the term explore [TS]

00:26:00   and even though you probably don't have sort of people in caves to a lot of people doing stuff in case I think can can [TS]

00:26:06   also get away with calling themselves explore us that cave stuff is terrifying that they are the people who explore [TS]

00:26:15   those those deep caves that stuff is [TS]

00:26:19   when I I care where heard I heard somebody gas talking about an interview with the people who've gone down to one of [TS]

00:26:25   the deepest caves in the world [TS]

00:26:28   and it's just just terrifying terrifying just in in the total darkness off I'm not one hundred percent sure I count [TS]

00:26:36   that as exploring but that's that's close I thought [TS]

00:26:39   but I'm going to say deep sea divers are on ambiguously modern exploring using the definition that you gave a moment [TS]

00:26:47   ago what do you say about the astronauts who landed on the man [TS]

00:26:50   and I can ANY what to expect to a fuck if they didn't really they could communicate with people that could help them. [TS]

00:26:57   Although not physically. [TS]

00:27:00   Yeah I mean does it matter there are unquestionably explorers [TS]

00:27:03   but that definition doesn't help on the whole are it doesn't help them a whole lot it's my mind's rubbing up against [TS]

00:27:09   something with that's not going to the moon I'm going to I'm going to give it to them [TS]

00:27:14   but I feel like there's something something in my brain is is is going against us for ever so slightly [TS]

00:27:22   but you know I think maybe the thing about the contact is even here going to the moon the people on the ground can help [TS]

00:27:30   you but maybe not out of all kinds of situation a lot of the time the hope is just saying it was nice knowing you. [TS]

00:27:38   Except for the scene in Apollo thirteen which the like my favorite movie scene ever of we have to make we have to make [TS]

00:27:45   this to go into this this port with only using these materials that this is probably one the best movie. [TS]

00:27:52   Surely your favorite saying in Apollo thirteen is when Gary Sinise spends hours and hours [TS]

00:27:56   and I was trying to please check list in the correct order I don't I don't remember the members I had to power up the [TS]

00:28:02   LEM that I had to do it in a certain order so they didn't go over a certain vote each [TS]

00:28:06   and I had to kick were heavily vs. [TS]

00:28:09   Yes yes I do remember that I do remember that now the scene are trying to connect they were trying to connect the air [TS]

00:28:15   input to the oxygen scrubbers I think that there was no now they had to get the rug they had the wrong shape. [TS]

00:28:20   See eye to scrub or they had and they had to make a scrub or of a different shape fit a different whole basic rights [TS]

00:28:29   but I don't know there's something that Vista really gets me about that is dumping the materials on the table [TS]

00:28:34   and say OK we have a problem there's a limited domain here [TS]

00:28:37   and we have a limited amount of time that we need a bunches lard engineers to figure it out that's the kind of help [TS]

00:28:43   that they can give [TS]

00:28:44   but it's it's it's very different from you know you missed the moon you're going to fly off into deep space [TS]

00:28:49   and just die well sorry so exciting news. Gray has given me the password for the hello internet. [TS]

00:28:58   Patriarch account which means I can have postings into a picture on fate which I think you see even more bang for your [TS]

00:29:05   buck if you are supporting Hello winter no patron. [TS]

00:29:09   Because I feel like you could give more love than you gave that is definitely true. [TS]

00:29:14   I could give more love than I give the page on feed so now I will endeavour to also go in there occasionally [TS]

00:29:19   and give people a few little behind the Saints. [TS]

00:29:21   Pictures [TS]

00:29:21   and nuggets as a small thank you for those people who give just that little bit extra to help make this podcast possible [TS]

00:29:29   yes thank you to all of them [TS]

00:29:31   but Brady you have your plans you going to post updates from the Penguin So what you have now I would like to develop. [TS]

00:29:37   Have you got any kind of rules I mean you gave me the password very very without any kind of conditions is there [TS]

00:29:43   anything I'm not allowed to do with it. [TS]

00:29:45   I I trust you entirely with this with this thing you are you are free is a bird. Thank you John. [TS]

00:29:55   So state your name [TS]

00:29:56   or if you're one of these people who is is following it in that way as well stay tuned as I am leash the power as Brady [TS]

00:30:05   shows you his love I won't be posting any pictures of me doing my way [TS]

00:30:08   and earlier internets ready for that it would be amazing it would be hit would be quite a sight so I had a realisation [TS]

00:30:19   the other day as you know I had two copies of getting things down I had a hard copy [TS]

00:30:26   and I had a on my old Apple as an audiobook was on my side. [TS]

00:30:31   So some people may not be aware of this [TS]

00:30:33   but I I sold my have copy on e Bay Yup the one with my notes scribble over it was purchased by how Internet listener it [TS]

00:30:42   was signed by you and I. [TS]

00:30:44   Yeah you sent it to me to sign and then to hand on to the lucky winner of that auction I hate to admit it [TS]

00:30:50   but I actually tend to turn a profit on that book the the funds will be reinvested into the purchasing of toys which I [TS]

00:31:00   filmed for at how Internet videos. [TS]

00:31:03   Let me be me I put them on a cheap so that in fact it's already being spent on various. [TS]

00:31:08   and nine tories from toy shops around the U.K. [TS]

00:31:11   And I had a sudden realisation older people say is it claims that if you are not completely satisfied with your your [TS]

00:31:20   book you can get your money back and on your i never return things if I have something I lack. [TS]

00:31:26   I'm just go ahead doesn't return them I don't go back to the shop [TS]

00:31:28   and asked my money back I just put things in a shelf [TS]

00:31:30   and never asked my money back that I decided I was going to put this to the test. [TS]

00:31:36   Do they really give you money back if you know happy [TS]

00:31:38   and it's a really difficult process where you have to navigate through a field of alligators [TS]

00:31:43   and things like that can do that very very easily I was went online I picked a box set I didn't walk got my credit back [TS]

00:31:53   straightaway. Bought another book. Brilliant. [TS]

00:31:57   So I now feel like I have not lost out as a result of buying those books which I did not you are a net win on getting [TS]

00:32:07   things done. [TS]

00:32:08   Well I was anyway well I'll never get that time back that I spent reading [TS]

00:32:12   and listening to her that I like to think it gave us some good poker asked Father [TS]

00:32:16   but it's still hours of my life that I've gone. [TS]

00:32:19   Yes it is it is still hours of your life that's gone although it is our our most popular hard cast episode so far at [TS]

00:32:27   least according to the new tracking system that are set up so I think we can go into a net [TS]

00:32:32   when of your great dislike of getting things done [TS]

00:32:36   and yes you're right it is this is not an audible advertisement I don't actually know if sponsors for the show I never [TS]

00:32:41   know we record these things but yeah I've done that a couple times [TS]

00:32:44   and I that is one of the things I really like is because I listen mostly to non-fiction stuff and. [TS]

00:32:53   Very often non-fiction books have a promising first chapter and then the book is just terrible [TS]

00:32:58   and so I have returned quite a few audio books with with a policy so I had a plea I appreciate it because all your [TS]

00:33:06   books are not always super jeep so being able to return one that Scrappy is great I have another e-mail from a listener [TS]

00:33:13   that I want to share with you this is someone called Carter I don't know how much will to read cause car long I always [TS]

00:33:21   like to pick at the points where they praise name particular years of the best part yeah every week [TS]

00:33:27   and because it was it was written to me this is this is someone that should have been written to you as well [TS]

00:33:31   but this is one of those people who realize I would be wasting their time writing to you know I have basically not even [TS]

00:33:37   opened my e-mail in the last week and a half. [TS]

00:33:41   Help me going to have in fact one part that praise me hearing that I quite liked was I have this number of our video [TS]

00:33:47   that a lot of people I might be familiar with but great you probably are. [TS]

00:33:51   Which is all about what happens if you add all the numbers together one place to post for a possible to solve the lever [TS]

00:33:56   and actually comes to minus a twelve depending on depending on various interpretations. Quite controversial video. [TS]

00:34:02   Yeah we talked about that one of the yeah a while back so anyway I could watch her to talked about how he was recently [TS]

00:34:07   at a job interview and was asked to tell the interviewer what is the most interesting fact you know [TS]

00:34:12   and he immediately told him that fact and the interviewer was blown away and offered him the job. [TS]

00:34:19   So that's the path that praises me [TS]

00:34:21   but that's not really want to tell you about the path it is interesting to both of us. [TS]

00:34:25   Says lastly before I let you go I know this is a long shot that both you and C.G. [TS]

00:34:31   Pay and your wives a quarterly invited to my upcoming awaiting to my fiance she [TS]

00:34:36   and I would love to have the stars of hell or Internet at our wedding it is the weekend of April second in Chicago. [TS]

00:34:43   See G.P. [TS]

00:34:44   Can do with the jetlag Oh yeah you're going to go Brady [TS]

00:34:50   but I'll go if you go now I dry naive through breed I'll tell you working the thing stopping me going cut at a two year [TS]

00:35:02   waiting and I thought your email was brilliant and you sound like an awesome person is not distance or jet lag [TS]

00:35:11   or even necessarily plane tickets without him. [TS]

00:35:14   Pensacola into gets the things don't get me going is how or quit it would be being at that wedding. [TS]

00:35:19   After about eight seconds. [TS]

00:35:22   Lie because Carter I've been to a wedding of my own and you have a lot to do and a lot of things in your mind [TS]

00:35:30   and it's going to be the best out of your life [TS]

00:35:32   and talking to someone who does a podcast you listen to is going to be very very minor [TS]

00:35:36   and that will be like a five second thing [TS]

00:35:38   and the rest of the time on their arms going to be standing around fail knowledge of an idiot. Yeah weddings. [TS]

00:35:47   Weddings are strange events at tending weddings is weird going to other people's weddings are weird they're just being [TS]

00:35:58   at a wedding where you are not where you don't really know the people getting married because I've done this numerous [TS]

00:36:02   times because our films in weddings but oh say it just happens sometimes is is a pretty or could experience [TS]

00:36:08   and I think this will affect or could this to a whole other level so I don't I don't think are good [TS]

00:36:13   but I do wish Carter and his fiance the best and I hope they have an incredible wedding [TS]

00:36:17   and I hope he sends us a picture and if you send us a picture from the wedding I'll put it on the Patriot [TS]

00:36:22   and fade there we go I feel the same way I hope the wedding goes well [TS]

00:36:29   but I will not be with us before I disregard go for a wedding it's really kind of very kind I once went to a party it [TS]

00:36:38   was in a I was in Adelaide where I was living [TS]

00:36:40   and the same of the party was at Lady had to do something sort of typically or I conduct the Adelaide [TS]

00:36:45   and everyone had a demand wished on this [TS]

00:36:46   or are you adélie be in love you're Adelaide to characterize So anyway one of the guys had a prior idea which was to [TS]

00:36:55   invite do you call them a pastor yet you know what a pastor is doing. [TS]

00:37:00   Yeah as a tremendous in them the underground like a street performer [TS]

00:37:04   and there was this one guy in Adelaide he he was a bit strange he was just he was an odd character [TS]

00:37:11   and he also had all about dress sense [TS]

00:37:14   and odd Hi Jane I mean in hindsight probably wasn't particularly well anyway he was a basket [TS]

00:37:21   and he used to do with performances on the harmonica or or something like that or on a little in that organ [TS]

00:37:26   and things and the guy organizing the party photo would be a bright idea to approach him in the street [TS]

00:37:31   and invite him to this party which was just a party in a house. [TS]

00:37:36   So we all turned and there was this guy playing is a music in the corner [TS]

00:37:40   and I was like oh my goodness it's amazing it's an Adelaide legend it's very you know he's like a piece of the [TS]

00:37:44   furniture in the streets vet right here is a party and we all thought it was great and you get a few songs for us [TS]

00:37:49   and we gave him a clap and it was brilliant. And then he was just standing there in the room with light. [TS]

00:37:56   Twenty thirty other people and it was really really or could [TS]

00:38:00   and no one no one knew him so no one really knew that we talked and say hello [TS]

00:38:04   but it was it became really really difficult [TS]

00:38:06   and I think the guy organizing the party in hindsight realized this was something that seems like a good idea [TS]

00:38:12   and then afterwards had created a really awkward social situation I think that's what cat it would would think later on [TS]

00:38:19   if he had if we turned up to his wedding. [TS]

00:38:22   Yeah that's the that's exactly right there like gods Brady in C G P I love I love your podcast I sometimes focus later [TS]

00:38:29   and Russia care hands and then like two [TS]

00:38:31   or three minutes later people would be coming up whispering to him saying catechist can us they take us to leave now. [TS]

00:38:37   Jack Exactly exactly and I can imagine that situation which would be awkward all around for her. [TS]

00:38:43   Everybody by the fact the wedding is in Chicago is a lovely excuse [TS]

00:38:48   but I can say they have the wedding was downstairs in my own building I was does our I'm sorry I can't possibly make [TS]

00:38:54   any way thank you for the invasion. Yeah good luck with the weather. [TS]

00:38:57   Yes someone sent a fascinating picture to us which was of Buzz Aldrin obviously a man of some interest to me. [TS]

00:39:04   Selection manner set foot on the well known as a brand ambassador for the I make a spade master on surprisingly says he [TS]

00:39:14   was the first man to wear to make spade master on the moon because neon of course didn't wear his. [TS]

00:39:20   And it was a picture of Buzz Aldrin posing with a child [TS]

00:39:23   or something like that of some publicity event he's wearing what appears to be an Amiga watch probably space master on [TS]

00:39:30   his frock tanned and on his left hand and watch. [TS]

00:39:36   Yep yep you sent me this picture [TS]

00:39:38   and it is definitely an apple watch on his other hand you weren't sure which I found surprising because I thought that [TS]

00:39:45   you found that there was in their cold dead faces were were distracting to you or you don't like them [TS]

00:39:52   but yes he is wearing an apple I was out of his quiet small thing in the photo it's not like it's a big zoomed in [TS]

00:39:57   picture I don't know what an abortion and he's wearing lots of things on his wrists. [TS]

00:40:02   I was pretty sure it was an apple watch the movie [TS]

00:40:05   or why didn't we make a joke about you wearing two watches a couple pod casts ago I can't quite remember [TS]

00:40:10   and now here is one of your idols. Sporting to watch I wouldn't code does ocean one of models. [TS]

00:40:17   OK I'm sorry sir please Ari you know. Oh got serious dollars on here. [TS]

00:40:25   So some of it I'm not going to go there [TS]

00:40:27   but kids I could tell the other thing that's interesting though is on the hand where he's wearing they make it it [TS]

00:40:34   almost appears as though he's wearing and I'm with two different watches like it's one band [TS]

00:40:41   but it seems to have two watches attached to it not like yes like he's inserted two watches on to the one that yeah I [TS]

00:40:49   was doomed in on this and I sent this to you [TS]

00:40:51   and it definitely looks like he has one band with two Amiga speed Masters on it so that one one faces on his wrist [TS]

00:41:00   and that one faces on the top of his on the top of his are sorry yes it looks like one faces on the inside of his wrist [TS]

00:41:07   and then one face is on the top of his wrist he's either man who wears a lot of stuff on his wrists he says he's an [TS]

00:41:13   eccentric character as Ochoa it a he to he did it he was part of the great thing is it a great thing that he remains [TS]

00:41:22   one of a kind. [TS]

00:41:23   Her So what do you think about him wearing two maybe three watches Well what is your what is your thought on the likely [TS]

00:41:31   think I think. I am going to guess that you did the proof of that. Yes of course it is excluded. [TS]

00:41:42   Anything that looks ridiculous that the Apple Watch [TS]

00:41:44   and that makes be master yet you don't think this is in your future at some point rate I think wearing an apple orchard [TS]

00:41:49   it's ridiculous for starters he well know are right [TS]

00:41:53   and I think having two space matters on one band is cut it ridiculous like he's managing to go ridiculous both ways [TS]

00:42:01   it's not a look I would go for but I would if it meant being in a space craft with Neil Armstrong [TS]

00:42:08   when I landed on the moon I would wear to work as if that was the price I had to pay to have done that achievement I [TS]

00:42:16   would do it [TS]

00:42:17   but I don't even give a I don't think it's necessary to where essentially three watches on your wrist to of done that I [TS]

00:42:23   think he's doing a voluntarily he might be starting a trend though [TS]

00:42:27   and there might be starting in jail give me around I can see it because like we said he kind of have to wear their [TS]

00:42:34   porch or betime to get the maximum value from a an airport in does have its good points [TS]

00:42:39   but I think it is going to make a decision and stick with it. [TS]

00:42:43   You either tell you are there at your other top this new silly future or really classy man of the past. [TS]

00:42:51   Which which Where you going with that theory what's on your wrist right now. Classy man of the past. [TS]

00:42:57   Actually no there is no watch on my wrist at the moment I actually just went back to the state master a couple of days [TS]

00:43:03   ago that I took it off to the pub cost because I didn't want to risk it tapping on the desk [TS]

00:43:07   but it is sitting next to me I'm looking at it. I'm not wearing any watch just at this particular moment. [TS]

00:43:13   Also it would have been extra weight for the way in [TS]

00:43:14   and I could be a risk in that it's the most way many many dozens of Graham said they watched the spade master you say [TS]

00:43:24   that yourself it's white it is weighty [TS]

00:43:27   but it's no way be compared to a person knows significant amount of weight compared to a human being every criminal [TS]

00:43:34   offence every grim right who knows where the red is that is doing the rounding there must be a rounding point somewhere [TS]

00:43:40   I don't want to push to oppose a ranting point that's true that's true maybe yours Gail doing for death will play yeah. [TS]

00:43:49   So on the what do you think that we're going to watch a cent because Could you do it because you obviously do want to [TS]

00:43:55   weigh the Apple wants you to stew like analog watchers Yeah I think it's ridiculous as well I can't imagine ever [TS]

00:44:01   wearing two watches that that is not going to happen yet I still have the the was that my wife got me for our [TS]

00:44:07   anniversary. [TS]

00:44:08   Which are which I really like I have kept it I can imagine wearing it on special occasions in the future [TS]

00:44:14   but I could never have imagined. [TS]

00:44:16   Wearing both the Apple Watch and my nice mechanical watch this is this is not going to happen you have to pick one [TS]

00:44:23   or the other and so maybe on some days I will be a classy gentleman of the past [TS]

00:44:28   but on most days I am wearing my apple watch if you are going out for your anniversary like for dinner [TS]

00:44:34   or something like that [TS]

00:44:35   and then you decide it with this would be a nice time to wear my class you're my wife would there be a niggling part of [TS]

00:44:41   your brain that would be disappointed that it's going to be like a gap in your data [TS]

00:44:44   and I'm going to be doing all this walking to not that's not going to be measured [TS]

00:44:48   and there's going to be a gap in my heart I hate her and with that known [TS]

00:44:52   or you really are with it now I'd be fine with that I'm not a. [TS]

00:44:59   Yeah that wouldn't really Bob you know I just do because Asian asked that once everything is everything's going to be [TS]

00:45:04   recorded then everything must be recorded for some things I am a completionist But [TS]

00:45:08   but this thing doesn't flip that switch in my brain just a quick little correction from last time I talked about my [TS]

00:45:15   slow watch [TS]

00:45:16   and I mentioned it being mechanical I was actually kind of misspoke there I used the wrong context of mechanical I said [TS]

00:45:23   he was meaning I had moving parts and mating hands [TS]

00:45:26   and it wasn't a computer it is a course watch not a mechanical watch the slow watch doesn't have to get wound up by [TS]

00:45:32   springs and things like that like my spade wonder does it is using a battery [TS]

00:45:37   and the Courts Movement I used mechanical in that exact same sense twenty seconds ago. [TS]

00:45:43   Yeah exactly that that's that's that's kind of we are aware there is a difference between a mechanical watch [TS]

00:45:48   and of course watch yes you and I think tend to make that mistake a little bit. [TS]

00:45:52   Yes thats the real watch enthusiastic did call me on so I will I will make that little nod I will also I think over the [TS]

00:46:00   people who listened to the last pod cast who contacted slow watches about me becoming their brand ambassador on the [TS]

00:46:07   tweets in the mouse course question as did. [TS]

00:46:12   And I was I was looking at that as well they were all there was a lot of cognac so answer [TS]

00:46:16   and as a result the excellent people at Slow who do make that watch that I really like had been in touch I have spoken [TS]

00:46:23   with little [TS]

00:46:25   but things move slowly it's a lie so why have you not rush the people I have nothing new to report at the moment [TS]

00:46:34   but that may come at a later time and I'll let people know what happens [TS]

00:46:37   but I will say in the meantime if you are thinking of buying a slow watch as a result as a direct result of my advocacy [TS]

00:46:45   just how to add a bit longer. Don't make your pitch is just chat. Losers why. [TS]

00:46:54   You want you want to have a little bit of pent up demand. [TS]

00:46:56   Yeah I think so I think I think there's with there was a rush. [TS]

00:46:58   Now in a to now I need to you know they seem to swim in a very slow might be hearing from people who are just on the [TS]

00:47:06   edge of purchasing a watch. [TS]

00:47:08   Yeah just they just need a little bit of a push from an amazing brand ambassador to get them over that hurdle. [TS]

00:47:16   Maybe [TS]

00:47:17   and I will also get back to you let agree with my more fiber review about the whole reading the time in different mice [TS]

00:47:22   because obviously now I'm doing the first transition from twenty four face back to the twelve face [TS]

00:47:30   but you know we we can't be giving them too much free advertising that right now what with we'll talk about that in [TS]

00:47:35   their point you asked Thank you very much more follow up with the squalor. [TS]

00:47:43   This is another one of our of our follow up to another favorite topic of as is different occupations of people who [TS]

00:47:49   listen to a podcast I love this topic [TS]

00:47:52   and I don't know why I find this fascinating listening are hearing from people hearing from people about what they do [TS]

00:48:01   or [TS]

00:48:01   or their jobs while they're listening to the pod cast I love this kind of back that what he what do you have so you have [TS]

00:48:07   in the show here one from that he got in touch he said Is it a hater she got a nice patchwork of behavior she recently [TS]

00:48:17   started listening to hello internet. [TS]

00:48:19   I listen to it before and after shows I'm a professional bass player an Oreo engineer. [TS]

00:48:27   Semi-literate So is that sounds like a way to call a person to listening to a pocket the second one is I think it [TS]

00:48:34   really ups the pressure on our audio production if we have already a engineers listening it does it does put a little [TS]

00:48:40   bit of pressure on but those audio files you can never make those people. [TS]

00:48:44   Happy the they they will just keep asking for more and more always so we do the best we can [TS]

00:48:49   but I'm not going to even try to make the intense audio files. Happy because I'll always be unhappy. [TS]

00:48:56   Could be a that's a good idea to have another one hand was a son. [TS]

00:49:03   Are you this was this centrist and did the a grey as it says Dear who's to see G.P. [TS]

00:49:10   Craig and then in brackets and Brady I guess sounds like it's almost the garage jiggly addressed to me [TS]

00:49:16   and I am so very great [TS]

00:49:20   and Brady the bird had to the point is is this person going to be that I'm the one bringing up their cover it rather [TS]

00:49:26   than you. After another job where Paypal or at least I listen to the pod cast I work as a drone operator. [TS]

00:49:35   And mother might look cool in the ads it's not most of the time is spent flying I should to the target [TS]

00:49:40   and circling it for hours this is super boring so we operate as fun waste occupy ourselves we've got little games on [TS]

00:49:46   Power Point which we play to take up time usually only the machine operators not it is usually only the mission [TS]

00:49:52   operators not the operators I quite get that either they mean the people in control of the people who are operating the [TS]

00:49:58   actual drone machine operator [TS]

00:50:00   and while I can actually listen to the podcast while flying a real mission this is against the rose I don't know [TS]

00:50:05   there's just been put in there was a qualifier astri i did enjoy listening. [TS]

00:50:10   I'm sure it's strictly against the rules I did enjoy listening while in the simulator and got very annoyed [TS]

00:50:16   when you had an episode which was only forty five minutes long said he thought the good work and I will be [TS]

00:50:21   and I will show be listening regardless of on [TS]

00:50:24   or off the job so I think drone operator has to move pretty close to the top of the list now. [TS]

00:50:30   As interesting jobs listening to how that is very interesting. [TS]

00:50:34   Someone who's a drone operator [TS]

00:50:36   and certainly never listening to it on a mission because that would be Hichens the rebels against the rose but yes. [TS]

00:50:42   Drone operator. [TS]

00:50:44   That is that is pretty high on the list of interesting jobs even listening to them to be doing while listening to a pot [TS]

00:50:50   cast at least in the simulator with several checks popped into my head because it's the kind of guy I am [TS]

00:50:56   but I'm not going to my can each expect dry such as going to the next out of. [TS]

00:51:00   How could how could a drone joke go wrong [TS]

00:51:03   when I don't I don't see where this could possibly go wrong there was a very possibly go wrong I'm not upstart I've [TS]

00:51:10   already walked away from his gray Don't try [TS]

00:51:12   and draw me back in trying to fish event to give you not get on the right of issue factory counted Adam got a make [TS]

00:51:19   or break an offhanded snarky remark about a drone fuck [TS]

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00:53:43   internet there was a really interesting article in The Guardian which Gray will link tonight doubt it was all about [TS]

00:53:53   computers doing generalism [TS]

00:53:55   and the time I read a was really excited I put the link in the nights in Tokyo we had to talk about it pretty much now [TS]

00:54:01   forgotten what was in a. But it's worth a rate you have put it to me. [TS]

00:54:11   Yes I read I just read it I just read it right before the show. Meets blousy that's your match what I should have done. [TS]

00:54:16   That's that's that's what the show no thought that's why I go through the show notes right before we're about to do the [TS]

00:54:20   thing otherwise it all falls out of my brain was either slowed right before it was just like I can't be rating before [TS]

00:54:27   the show it was leaked. Yes those are the things that the show the thing that this article talks about a couple points. [TS]

00:54:35   It's largely talking about a company called Narrative Science which is one that I don't know if I mention them by name [TS]

00:54:41   but I was talking about them in the humans need not apply video [TS]

00:54:44   and Broadly speaking of A are a company that is working on algorithms that can produce human readable material of all [TS]

00:54:56   forms [TS]

00:54:57   and so one of the things that this article is talking about in particular is computer algorithms that can write up a [TS]

00:55:04   story about what happened in sports games [TS]

00:55:07   but they're their focus is broader than that they want to be able to feed an algorithm a bunch of data from a company [TS]

00:55:14   and have it produce a quarterly report in the same way humanoid this is all that all of the stuff that they're that [TS]

00:55:19   they're working on that there were two two points that I want to bring up because whenever you mention this stuff [TS]

00:55:27   people just people just push back on it when they show people article written by humans. [TS]

00:55:32   Verses written by the algorithm. [TS]

00:55:36   People rape them slightly differently in terms of which ones are friendly and excessive bowl or informative [TS]

00:55:44   and authoritative. [TS]

00:55:46   Yeah [TS]

00:55:46   but the key here is that there is not some huge difference where people say oh this is obviously written by a machine [TS]

00:55:53   and it's crap. [TS]

00:55:54   People don't like everybody thinks that they can tell the difference but they really can't [TS]

00:55:59   when you put them in a day in a double blind situation even if they rate things slightly differently so yes they had [TS]

00:56:05   all the human written ones were a little bit more friendly [TS]

00:56:07   and the computer in ones were a little bit more authoritative but this is the same thing like [TS]

00:56:12   and in that in the video that I made I mentioned about the music and I say oh this this music is written by computer [TS]

00:56:18   or computer algorithm [TS]

00:56:19   and everybody writes back oh I could totally tell it was written by a computer because it sounds repetitive [TS]

00:56:24   and blah blah blah but [TS]

00:56:27   when you get in if the Emily Emily Howell is a name of the computer program that writes the music [TS]

00:56:32   when you do it with double blind and you don't tell people which ones are written by the human [TS]

00:56:36   and which runs written by the computer people can't tell everybody just thinks they can tell once you tell them what [TS]

00:56:41   the answer is and this is why I mentioned in the video when I did that. [TS]

00:56:46   Oh most certainly anybody who reads newspapers has already read something that was summarized by a computer algorithm [TS]

00:56:53   like this is this is already already happening and people just underestimate how how good this stuff is not perfect [TS]

00:57:02   but it's good enough to fit to fly under the radar of people telling the difference between human [TS]

00:57:09   and a computer to tell you what's right there is one there is one I just want to share it seems to me at this stage of [TS]

00:57:17   the A straightens the roost strength of face. [TS]

00:57:19   Algorithm written out a coast seems to be in the sphere of things which a very quantitative Oh yeah because he is out [TS]

00:57:28   of the US why there are always going Wednesday because yes because I mean I could just look I spoke book score [TS]

00:57:33   or financial report and and right now. Article having not been at the game in a K. [TS]

00:57:38   Said That's fair enough but when they do these double blind tests [TS]

00:57:44   and they show you to match reports from a game of baseball the thing that the people doing the double blind tests don't [TS]

00:57:51   have [TS]

00:57:51   and didn't do was go to the game so it's very hard to know how good a report of the game it is if you didn't also see [TS]

00:58:01   the game. [TS]

00:58:03   For example say I went to a game so I went to the Yankees versus the Red Sox and the Yankees won three toes [TS]

00:58:09   and so I'm sorry hit a homerun [TS]

00:58:11   and there was a double And this picture had this record believe the journalist who wasn't at the game. [TS]

00:58:17   Could write a report and the computer could write a report and maybe someone couldn't tell the difference [TS]

00:58:24   but what if halfway through the game. [TS]

00:58:27   Derek Jeter stood on second base and took off his trailers and painted his legs pink and started doing cartwheels. [TS]

00:58:37   That's not going to be in the box score that's not going to be anywhere so the complain the computer writes the report [TS]

00:58:44   of all the noteworthy things that happened during the game that's going to be completely emitted someone who's actually [TS]

00:58:49   at the game I think they're probably going to start their report with that [TS]

00:58:53   and get very little to the actual score of the game because it was such a remarkable thing that happened that that is [TS]

00:58:59   what needs to be reported on and that's an extreme example but what I'm thinking [TS]

00:59:04   but I just think the computers in the algorithm sometimes you know. [TS]

00:59:08   Missed the wood for the trees [TS]

00:59:10   or whatever you want to COLA I can't they won't they don't really know what's interesting [TS]

00:59:14   and sometimes you can't be taught what's interesting because the thing that's interesting is something that's never [TS]

00:59:19   been seen before and that's that's the think the value of reporting [TS]

00:59:24   and you know they can't a computer would never know what the emotion of the crowd was with the computer can't know what [TS]

00:59:30   noise the crowd made when Alex Rodriguez came out to back to die though him did they need him. [TS]

00:59:37   Did they start off doing him but then she him when he hit a home run all the subtleties [TS]

00:59:42   and things that matter to him and saw a very hard to pick up with a computer. [TS]

00:59:48   Oh yeah and [TS]

00:59:50   when I talk about this stuff like I completely agree with you that in in very very many domains the best human is still [TS]

01:00:01   always going to be able to crush the computer today I think that's that's no there's no doubt about it like I could [TS]

01:00:08   send Brady to a cricket game and I can send an algorithm to the cricket game and Brady is going to write a way better. [TS]

01:00:14   Article about that trick again the computer possibly can [TS]

01:00:18   but at the end think that this all of this stuff is we're looking at we're looking at the toddler version of of what [TS]

01:00:26   these computers [TS]

01:00:27   and these algorithms can do I don't doubt that at some point in the future you could feed just the straight video of a [TS]

01:00:37   computer game of a you could feed just a straight video of a sports game to a computer [TS]

01:00:43   and the computer could write out a story about it I think that's going to be able to happen sometime because we already [TS]

01:00:51   know that humans can do that [TS]

01:00:53   and unless unless you think that there's something magically different about the human brain I think anything that a [TS]

01:01:00   human can do a computer algorithm will eventually be able to do with some point [TS]

01:01:05   and we're just looking at the very very beginnings of of all of this stuff when you think about that arm in the [TS]

01:01:17   when I was reporting some time something would happen like a tragedy. [TS]

01:01:22   I remember really Patrick to do it's happening and a little boy has employed died [TS]

01:01:29   and I had to rush story about a sense the family let me come to the house and sit in the room with them [TS]

01:01:37   and talk to them for a couple of hours and a lot of things happened in that room and that Khaled [TS]

01:01:44   and painted the why the Irish story about the tragedy of this boy die and I just can't say in the next hundreds [TS]

01:01:55   and hundreds of years that a computer could of. Got from that. [TS]

01:02:01   Well I got from a conscious Conseco and I know they're going to get good [TS]

01:02:07   but I just can't say a computer thinking to ask the things that I would have asked [TS]

01:02:11   and looked at the places I would have looked and taken in the subtleties I took in and maybe one day they will [TS]

01:02:18   and who sang maybe I was pretty ham fisted and didn't write the final story very well. [TS]

01:02:22   Anyway but that I just can't say I cannot [TS]

01:02:25   but I can I carry a ARE can raid if I want to know is who won the by spoke I I didn't care for it was written by some [TS]

01:02:32   seventeen year old intern watching on T.V. [TS]

01:02:35   or An algorithm and if the algorithms of the cheaper for the nice Everest than I care I knew what the score anyway [TS]

01:02:41   but I just can't see general spec replaced by computers. [TS]

01:02:44   Journalist went to replace by computers before certainly before airline pilots [TS]

01:02:49   and things like that because there's just things computers can do [TS]

01:02:52   and the human brain is quite unique in some of those abilities in my opinion. [TS]

01:02:57   Oh yeah well the unique part is a bit different. [TS]

01:03:01   You pick an example which is the most intensely human example there can possibly be right and a bereavement [TS]

01:03:09   and another human in the room so I will grant you that on the on the list of jobs that computers are doing that that [TS]

01:03:18   little moment there is one of the farthest down the lines you can possibly have. [TS]

01:03:25   Yeah right [TS]

01:03:27   but that is not ninety nine percent of what newspapers are doing yet that that is shockingly shockingly rare. [TS]

01:03:37   And my my you know in the economy of these things. [TS]

01:03:40   My my concern is always people talk about the things that machines can't do what you have a problem long before the the [TS]

01:03:47   last few things that humans do fall and also when you're talking about hundreds [TS]

01:03:53   and hundreds of years in the future I would actually bet that a machine. [TS]

01:03:59   Who do that job that if you're talking five hundred years in the future you could have a robot that looks as good as a [TS]

01:04:08   human that can be more empathetic than a human could be [TS]

01:04:12   but at that point you're talking about just science fiction kind of futures [TS]

01:04:15   but if you're saying never like never in ten thousand years can humans create a convincingly human machine I'm going to [TS]

01:04:26   go no on that because otherwise I feel like you're just saying there's something magic about humans [TS]

01:04:31   and I never I don't see I don't see that stage like I just I don't go along with cry I think there is something magic [TS]

01:04:40   of humans see that's And this is this is where we just have a fundamental disagreement if you believe in magic I can't [TS]

01:04:48   on argue with you I don't have any magic is in Harry Costa I mean something I mean [TS]

01:04:55   but do you mean magic as in something that is outside of the physical constraints of the universe. [TS]

01:05:00   Na OK then what then. [TS]

01:05:03   Like I don't think that it is impossible to imagine completely simulating a human brain in a computer may do you think [TS]

01:05:13   that that's an impossibility that in ten thousand years of human progress we'd never be able to do something like that [TS]

01:05:22   I don't [TS]

01:05:24   and this is this is what I mean is I think that you could simulate a human brain that it ultimately comes down to [TS]

01:05:32   neurons and electrical connections and you can reproduce that inside a computer [TS]

01:05:38   and so that to me is why I can get to the argument of if you can simulate a human brain [TS]

01:05:43   and there is a human brain simulation project that the European Union is working on right now. [TS]

01:05:49   If you can do that then then it's at some stage it's game over for humans physical meat based humans being the best at [TS]

01:05:59   everything because once you get a brain on increasing computing power you can start simulating a human brain at one [TS]

01:06:07   point one X. The speed of a regular brain and then to X. and Five X. and Ten X. In one hundred X. [TS]

01:06:14   and That's why I mean I even think like stuff that I do know intensely. [TS]

01:06:19   Creative work that is you know it's singular in a way there's no reason that my brain couldn't be perfectly simulated [TS]

01:06:29   or that you couldn't just like the stuff that I used to do with with genetic algorithms back in my university days of [TS]

01:06:37   princes this this has like vast a moral and ethical implications [TS]

01:06:41   but just go with me for a second you can do that kind of thing where you spontaneously create ten thousand simulated [TS]

01:06:48   human brains and have them produce artwork and see how other simulated brains react to them [TS]

01:06:54   and you could create amazing works of art that humans would find better than anything that has ever been created [TS]

01:07:01   because you know what gets reactions out of people and that's why I think all of this is a Venn chili at some point. [TS]

01:07:09   Machines will be better than humans at everything I take as Nikhil a bank no idea take away the can you tell the [TS]

01:07:17   difference thing for my. [TS]

01:07:20   If there was if a new pod cast came out that was made by a bought that basically just crowed over the pod casts in I [TS]

01:07:28   change found all the best bits what works and doesn't work [TS]

01:07:31   and created a simulated to do talking with I went to do today which is to max talking in talking to each other in a [TS]

01:07:38   human voice of just you know I took an crap about whatever likely to that it was just thrown upon you know all the [TS]

01:07:46   stuff that was out that it could find him what would best Would you just be a put cost you would get a lot of pleasure [TS]

01:07:52   from knowing that it wasn't to do. It's OK so here's the thing you're proposing something that sounds terrible. [TS]

01:07:58   Which is just trying to do something today [TS]

01:08:02   but if you're Can I imagine a pod cast that is between two computers talking to each other being better than than our [TS]

01:08:10   podcast I can imagine that being the case at at some point because why do I listen to Bach as I listen to podcasts to [TS]

01:08:18   be entertained I listen to podcasts because I like the personalities of the people who are talking even if I don't care [TS]

01:08:25   what they're talking about movie set personalities that's interesting I didn't think it say that bit because that's [TS]

01:08:29   that's what crucial thing to me. [TS]

01:08:31   Yeah but that's entirely true there are several pod casts where I don't care [TS]

01:08:36   or even understand what the people are talking about sometimes [TS]

01:08:39   but I listen because I like the personality of the person talking [TS]

01:08:43   but it ultimately comes down to me that my personality [TS]

01:08:47   and your personality are the result of neurons firing in a particular order in a sequence in our brains [TS]

01:08:56   and that's why I can say that yes I can imagine an algorithm creating an enjoyable podcasts to listen to it with with [TS]

01:09:05   boy synthesis that gets good enough because I just don't think that there's anything special about the brain like my my [TS]

01:09:11   personality is the way it is because of the neurons [TS]

01:09:14   and the order that they're connected in my mind it's not it's not magic there is that that's what I mean [TS]

01:09:20   when I say magic is some kind of other not reproducible thing and and that's what that's what I mean [TS]

01:09:27   but it does the free will at the other it does the does the fact people are listening to us now that we're doing this [TS]

01:09:32   by free will. [TS]

01:09:34   Add to their pleasure because let me Are you let me ask you Are you trying to are you trying to provoke a you go ahead [TS]

01:09:41   of me ask you this guy this is a purely hypothetical question. [TS]

01:09:45   And therefore you should feel safe on sharing it because this technology does not exist [TS]

01:09:49   and will not exist now last time [TS]

01:09:52   but if the technology did exist for there to be really really good simulated human beings [TS]

01:09:58   and customized to your every whim. [TS]

01:10:02   Would you be happier with the robot was then with your wife could [TS]

01:10:08   or couldn't make a buck a totally No I tell you that you have all this stuff you're right they're going to stop you [TS]

01:10:13   right now this is that this is an argument in my marriage and my wife thinks that we have a no holiday X. [TS]

01:10:20   Rule [TS]

01:10:21   and I think that we don't I think that this is not a this is not necessarily a not within our lifetime kind of argument [TS]

01:10:31   you know I can imagine computer simulations taking off [TS]

01:10:35   and having a holodeck like situation so again it to me this just always comes down to first principles of if you can [TS]

01:10:49   completely simulate a human mind. There's there's nothing that humans do that you can't do better. [TS]

01:10:56   Ultimately with machines and the the the the holodeck thing about you know if a holodeck [TS]

01:11:06   or virtual reality exists in some ways I'm pretty convinced that let that is a that is an end of of civilization moment [TS]

01:11:16   and you know the Fermi paradox I don't have the right yes I think it's I am I think I have a name right off of that is [TS]

01:11:23   from an retired Rico Femi. Yeah it is it is a question about Why haven't we been visited by aliens are that you can. [TS]

01:11:35   You can run a calculation that basically says you know no matter how low you think the probability of intelligent life [TS]

01:11:42   developing is the number of stars [TS]

01:11:45   and the number of planets is so astronomical that there has to be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe [TS]

01:11:51   and I go along with that hypothesis like I believe in aliens not that they have visited the earth [TS]

01:11:56   but I believe that there are there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe [TS]

01:12:01   but the paradox is that if there is intelligent life you can also run the numbers [TS]

01:12:05   and say that we are probably a little later to the civilizations Dave's than other people so why haven't [TS]

01:12:12   and Liam's actually visited our of [TS]

01:12:15   or why haven't we found any messages from Aliens this is the Fermi paradox is why does it seem like there are fewer [TS]

01:12:21   Allianz then everything that we know about science tells us there should be [TS]

01:12:28   and there are many there are many questions about why that are there many answers to this possible question [TS]

01:12:36   and two of them which relate to too hard current question is that one that intelligence it was a sion ends up in some [TS]

01:12:44   kind of self destructive loop Yeah the matter WHAT it is that once you get smart enough there are mistakes that you can [TS]

01:12:51   make that are very probable that are also civilization ending mistake [TS]

01:12:55   and so we used to think nuclear weapons are one of the things it seems like we're mostly past that [TS]

01:13:00   but you still have the possibility of destroying the earth [TS]

01:13:04   but the one that the answer that I actually think seems like it might be one of the most most relevant [TS]

01:13:10   and I read this on the I think Edge dot org A while back is that the late game of civilization is intelligent life [TS]

01:13:18   creates simulations that are better than the actual physical universe [TS]

01:13:24   and so entire civilizations just just say we're done with the real universe that have because because the virtual [TS]

01:13:32   universe can be designed in a way that is the Astley more attractive than the real universe I sort of I suppose I [TS]

01:13:40   should we go next post on so just by code of J.T. For the next ten thousand years. [TS]

01:13:45   Yeah I mean when you put it that way it's it's a it's a thing that sounds really trivial [TS]

01:13:49   but I think you have to imagine is is not like it call of duty but you talk about. [TS]

01:13:56   You talk about something which is almost irresistibly attractive in a simulated universe because it is designed to hit [TS]

01:14:05   every single one of your buttons [TS]

01:14:09   and the possibility as well is that you don't even know that you have put yourself inside of an amazing simulation [TS]

01:14:14   right if that like if that's what your brain me that that's what you do [TS]

01:14:17   and so Brady you get to live the life of a you know eighteenth century Explorer [TS]

01:14:21   and that's just the perfect thing for your brain and you just love it all day long [TS]

01:14:25   but part of the simulation is that you don't even know that you think elation. [TS]

01:14:28   Well if you don't know fair enough I care if you don't know you're in a simulation or how can argue with that [TS]

01:14:34   but the thing I think is this something very powerful about the free will thing so even if I made X. [TS]

01:14:42   Thirty Looper Robel ten thousand that looked amazing and just acted [TS]

01:14:48   and did everything he want that still wouldn't pay the audio was easy because you know that it's just it has no choice [TS]

01:14:55   but to bail us the something very powerful about someone who doesn't have to say yes. [TS]

01:15:01   Saying yes and when you ask your loss to marry or even something as even simpler [TS]

01:15:08   when you first tried to kiss him might be the fact that she didn't have to let you see that she did. [TS]

01:15:16   His is such a powerful drug and Maine so much to us and I don't think robots [TS]

01:15:23   and simulations give us that a case we don't know if we're in the simulation term we don't know that that was making a [TS]

01:15:29   choice well how can I give you that but if we do know. [TS]

01:15:33   I think having that taken away from us is a huge huge sacrifice will be a huge loss [TS]

01:15:41   and I think that's what I think I was always very motivating and that's where my problem with robo wife comes from. [TS]

01:15:48   OK But here's the thing we're coming to another fundamental problem which is that I think free will doesn't exist I [TS]

01:15:54   think this idea that that people are making decisions is not realize or care right that it it feels that way [TS]

01:16:02   but it isn't the like free will is an include red oblique convincing allusion ground [TS]

01:16:09   but that it that it's not real that I feel like I make choices [TS]

01:16:15   but I have no ability to explain like who is the me that made this choice. [TS]

01:16:21   Why did I choose one thing [TS]

01:16:23   or the other I think of you pay attention to the way your mind operates it's easy to see that you have a feeling of [TS]

01:16:31   being in control without actually being in control. [TS]

01:16:35   And this is one the reasons why I tend to use a lot of language where I describe us as only like my brain does X. [TS]

01:16:42   Because I don't know I feel like I'm very aware of this this distinction between how things feel [TS]

01:16:49   and how things actually are. ICAC I would say you and I don't have free will. [TS]

01:16:55   Yeah I still want to cope what we have free will is not because I think it is something different to what a robot as so [TS]

01:17:04   even if it even if it is zero pre-determined by give range mint of whatever is I still think it's different to the [TS]

01:17:12   robot thing and it means more to me than the robot think yeah I know what I know what you're saying [TS]

01:17:18   and the thing with a computer is that the nature of of what it does is laid bare the computer I mean a computer in a [TS]

01:17:27   way is like a very complicated a very complicated flour mill you can go into a flour mill [TS]

01:17:34   and you can look at all of the pieces and how they move around [TS]

01:17:37   and you can see that this is a machine that just does something that the flour mill doesn't have any choice in [TS]

01:17:42   processing flowery just does it because of all the mechanical parts. [TS]

01:17:46   And ultimately a computer is the same thing it doesn't have any choice in what it does [TS]

01:17:52   but it's a much more complicated version you can't look at the computer and see how it works [TS]

01:17:58   but you know conceptually OK Computer has purpose someone has programmed this is running through code it might be [TS]

01:18:03   running through millions and millions of pieces of code but it's still just is still does operating on imports [TS]

01:18:09   and getting outputs [TS]

01:18:10   and if you understand all of the inputs you can perfectly predict all of the outputs I think that humans are just one [TS]

01:18:18   level above that in terms of complication that if you perfectly understand all of the inputs going into a person you [TS]

01:18:26   could in theory perfectly predict all of the outputs [TS]

01:18:30   and we can't do that right now because it's just too complicated in the same way that [TS]

01:18:35   when a person looked at the computer most of the time they can't perfectly predict how it does everything because it's [TS]

01:18:41   too complicated but there's no fundamental difference here it just feels different because it's complexity squared [TS]

01:18:50   but I think from from the first principles that it's not any different at all. Sigrid I win. [TS]

01:18:57   Your wife come comes home from work and brings you like a surprise present or I sign you up [TS]

01:19:03   and say something nice to be complementary. [TS]

01:19:06   You've never deny OK I was just using hypothetical let's go back to when your wife to something nice [TS]

01:19:11   when you're sitting Why don't you bring me flowers brain when when you're sitting next to your wife [TS]

01:19:15   and she strikes your AMORC gives you a gift [TS]

01:19:18   or says something nasty to set give you no pleasure to you just sit there [TS]

01:19:21   and think well I had no choice you had you had no choice because I have you had no choice [TS]

01:19:26   but to do that because you were predestined to do it and he must a sit there [TS]

01:19:29   and Guy Well that means nothing to me because the universe decided that [TS]

01:19:32   or do you think wow she just did something nice because she loves me. [TS]

01:19:37   Which which look out how to how do you gain any enjoyment from anything if you think it's so that like that [TS]

01:19:46   but where did it will come to like way the two totally separate myself a separate question [TS]

01:19:51   when your wife strikes your Om and smiles at you. [TS]

01:19:54   Where does the pleasure come from fear if you think that was a great idea that the the pre-determined is of a doesn't [TS]

01:20:00   make any difference if it also you also start getting into just absolutely bizarre questions here of that like I like [TS]

01:20:09   my wife can make me happy [TS]

01:20:10   but she makes me happy because of the very structure of my brain in perceiving happiness you don't owe me a just just [TS]

01:20:17   just here just think for a second I here's here's a bizarre thought exercise for people it's incident I've done it with [TS]

01:20:23   a few people realize it's a bit of it's a bit hard sometimes think about [TS]

01:20:26   but whoever you are listener think about someone that you find attractive. [TS]

01:20:32   Right imagine their face in your mind now if you if you think about this. [TS]

01:20:41   Chew too much you can realize wait there's there's nothing in trains ik about the face the Durham magine NG that [TS]

01:20:51   actually is attractive. [TS]

01:20:55   The whole into notion of attractiveness is something that exists in your brain it doesn't exist on the person's face. [TS]

01:21:05   Right you are not perceiving attractiveness on someone even their faces coming into your mind [TS]

01:21:11   and because of the way that your brain is structured you perceive it as attractive [TS]

01:21:18   but it's not a thing that's really there. [TS]

01:21:20   What you're really looking at is a thin layer of meat on top of some bone with some watery stacks in the middle that [TS]

01:21:27   look out at you was well that's what a face really is great that's left me was that part of your wedding vows. [TS]

01:21:33   Cats but it doesn't change the fact that you perceive it is as being beautiful [TS]

01:21:39   or being attractive idea that these two things can be the same. [TS]

01:21:43   Attractiveness does not exist in other people and I and that but you subjectively perceive a thing as attractive [TS]

01:21:51   but here but here's why I I perceive things a trying to because of the structure of the way my brain aside [TS]

01:21:58   and that's true for absolutely everybody and here's a great example. [TS]

01:22:02   When a dog looks at a person they don't see that person is being beautiful [TS]

01:22:07   or attractive because their dog their brain is wired differently so that they look at other dogs [TS]

01:22:12   and think boy that dog is really attractive [TS]

01:22:14   but it's nothing about the dogs right it's everything about the person's brain [TS]

01:22:19   or the dog's brain so the fly the like these things that these are separate questions about how can you derive pleasure [TS]

01:22:25   of the universe has no free will is like things that make me happy make me happy because of the way my brain is [TS]

01:22:31   structured the lesson before the pod cast sometimes of like interest there's no explaining why some things are [TS]

01:22:39   interesting to people and other things are not I mean even we just talked about it earlier. [TS]

01:22:43   Why am I interested in container ships [TS]

01:22:45   but I have no interest in airplanes there's no there's no explanation for that there's no reason for that it's it has [TS]

01:22:52   something to do with with the very. [TS]

01:22:54   The structure of the way that my neurons to happen are happen to be connected which has everything to do with the way [TS]

01:23:00   that I happened to have grown up and in my genetics and all the stuff [TS]

01:23:03   but I'm not in control of that I don't choose to be interested in container ships [TS]

01:23:07   but not interested in airplane to cry you talk like you're on a higher plane than I I agree I agree I just have this [TS]

01:23:15   basic structure of wiring and I find that person good looking and person. [TS]

01:23:20   Right cetera that ice but my wiring seems to be quite happy to let me live with the various allusions [TS]

01:23:27   or what you would describe solutions that you seem to say not in full for those illusions you know I'm not above that. [TS]

01:23:34   Like I don't think I don't think that my wife cherished to bring me flowers and I think that because I I know better [TS]

01:23:41   and therefore if you know you better say I do think my wife chose to bring me slows you say if you know better [TS]

01:23:48   and you think he was didn't I think you're you know once you're one step further away from being placed by [TS]

01:23:56   or you there's no there's no knowing better here there's no knowing better here at all [TS]

01:24:00   and this is always this is oh here's the argument [TS]

01:24:02   when he'd start talking about free will as the there's two different the two different things going on do people make [TS]

01:24:10   choices and I think that the answer is is know that ultimately people are deterministic [TS]

01:24:17   but then there's a whole separate thing which is the layer in which you subjectively live your life. [TS]

01:24:24   Which feels like you make choices and that's why I like let let's let's say let's say science tomorrow. [TS]

01:24:34   Came out with a study that said we proved her one hundred percent one hundred percent sure that free will doesn't exist [TS]

01:24:39   yet you know we we got a big enough microscope and we looked and how it turns out is nothing [TS]

01:24:44   but gears below the caught the level write this this is all yours in spring [TS]

01:24:49   and then the the day after that scientists come out [TS]

01:24:52   and say Oh actually we discovered no for one hundred percent sure there is free will because we looked at the bottom of [TS]

01:24:56   the universe and below the gears pixie dust that magic yet and so free will exists. [TS]

01:25:03   I don't think anything about the way I live my life changes on either of those two days. [TS]

01:25:08   Both of those days I had the same reaction of that's interesting [TS]

01:25:12   but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because the subjective level in which you live your life is so all in [TS]

01:25:19   compassing that the mechanics behind it don't don't really matter. [TS]

01:25:24   Is it free will or is it pixie dust or you know [TS]

01:25:27   or is it is it a mechanistic universe it doesn't make any difference in my daily Nikkei it doesn't it doesn't change [TS]

01:25:32   anything in in how I relate to people [TS]

01:25:35   or how people relate to me let me know if you didn't really matter let me ask you this then [TS]

01:25:39   when something nice does happen I keep clinging to this the sillies the scenario up bringing flowers time yeah you say [TS]

01:25:49   that day to day you're just like me and the dissolution of choice and things helps bring you pleasure. [TS]

01:25:58   How long see you is that in two thousand is snatched away and your intellect take sorry for [TS]

01:26:05   and says I was silly silly emotional grey Of course you realize she didn't choose to bring you those flowers. [TS]

01:26:10   How often do those thoughts come to you how often is the rug pulled away from the illusion in someone not you every [TS]

01:26:18   time I had once a year the answer to that is is never [TS]

01:26:22   and always write it because I never I never think this way because one of what I was trying to say before is it doesn't [TS]

01:26:31   it doesn't matter for a guy that never fix that why you talk about a heck of a lot [TS]

01:26:36   but what I mean is it like in Europe. [TS]

01:26:39   Personal human reaction it doesn't matter if if my wife does something nice out of free will [TS]

01:26:46   or out of a deterministic universe it doesn't make any difference from my perspective which of those is true. [TS]

01:26:53   I personally think that it that we live in a universe where there is no free will [TS]

01:26:58   but it doesn't make any difference I can like you doesn't it doesn't diminish acts of niceness to think that they have [TS]

01:27:08   not been done by free Well I think this is this is the argument you're making a maybe you'll be a bit more sympathetic [TS]

01:27:13   to this the argument you're making to me sounds very few similar to the argument I sometimes hear from people who are [TS]

01:27:20   not science he people who say that oh don't you think a learning about a rainbow makes a rainbow less beautiful. [TS]

01:27:29   That's that's a bit what it's I think this argument is similar to [TS]

01:27:33   and I thought I would bet your opinion is the same that knowing more about a rainbow doesn't make looking at a rainbow. [TS]

01:27:41   Any any less of an enjoyable experience. [TS]

01:27:44   If anything it it might make the experience more enjoy all I don't think knowing that we live in a universe without [TS]

01:27:49   free will make the anything more enjoyable but I certainly don't think it detracts I don't agree. [TS]

01:27:57   Maybe the so you think knowing about the rainbow does make it less beautiful I remember as a child [TS]

01:28:02   when I would see a rainbow and I still believe there was a pot of gold [TS]

01:28:06   or I still believe maybe we would get to the point where I could see it hitting the ground just been captivated [TS]

01:28:14   and completely charmed and in love with rainbows [TS]

01:28:17   and the bread saying a rainbow it was like a life changing experience [TS]

01:28:20   and as we would drive along I would pray that we would get to the point where it actually touches the ground. [TS]

01:28:24   Because I've never been in the point I remember actually touches the ground. [TS]

01:28:27   Now that I realize that those things don't exist I still think Rainbow is a very beautiful [TS]

01:28:32   and will get out my smartphone to take a picture of it but it has no where near the effect that used to have on me [TS]

01:28:38   when I thought it was a pot of gold at the end you know but you're also talking about [TS]

01:28:41   when you were just an idiot child I mean you think that's it can you can you compare something where you're an adult [TS]

01:28:48   you're not a little kid who believe the leprechauns I mean that's I think that's you're comparing two wildly different [TS]

01:28:54   things I view there and I think we're a stream example [TS]

01:28:56   but I think it still makes the point that I don't agree with this how science the argument it's always made that once [TS]

01:29:02   you know the truth of what's going on it's it's more beautiful or more captivating. [TS]

01:29:08   I agree it's more interesting and I love knowing how things work. [TS]

01:29:11   Knowing all the data I was and then tell me where those data us to paypal [TS]

01:29:15   but I do think there is a degree of there is some nice things that get stripped away with that [TS]

01:29:21   but we have to accept that's part of becoming an adult and becoming knowledgeable [TS]

01:29:27   and I'm just gonna I'm just I'm just unconvinced here. [TS]

01:29:34   I don't know what we're getting off now into an argument about does data science make things less beautiful. [TS]

01:29:39   Which of course I'm going to I'm going to come onto the side of No it does not but it makes things less magical [TS]

01:29:46   and because magic isn't real you know because you had to kill you is needed. [TS]

01:29:50   Yeah because magic horses make things less magic things that a made up can still bring great pleasure. [TS]

01:29:57   You love a lot of the Rings and I hate to tell you this great None of that's real [TS]

01:30:00   but you still get pleasure from escaping into that fantasy and I think there's beauty in fantasy [TS]

01:30:05   and between things they're not real you like Star Wars that's not realize the growth that you still are. [TS]

01:30:11   Yeah yeah I know that but but [TS]

01:30:14   but I ask your metaphors they break my brain sometimes Brady if you think do it there's nothing [TS]

01:30:20   but I'm saying is there is a pleasure to be gained from things that Rio [TS]

01:30:26   and then believing that there's a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow can bring more pleasure I believe. [TS]

01:30:32   Sometimes than understanding what's happening with a lot being refracted and bouncing Here There and Everywhere. [TS]

01:30:38   OK [TS]

01:30:38   but what kind of crazy argument is that because Lord Of The Rings is written as a as a kind of alternative history like [TS]

01:30:45   a lost my follow G. For England that this is this is part of why it was created. [TS]

01:30:51   Would you say that it's going to letter the Rings just you know not a whole lot fiction in general and that up [TS]

01:30:56   but what would you would you argue that we should instead of teaching actual history teacher Lord Of The Rings. [TS]

01:31:04   Becoming our way there your NG I'm joyful narrow going that fast. [TS]

01:31:08   Will history now your being unfair I didn't say that we should be teaching in schools as pots of gold at the end of the [TS]

01:31:13   rainbow or that's not what I said Oh OK yes but I'm genuinely not understanding what point you're trying to make. [TS]

01:31:19   I'm saying once you know the truth. [TS]

01:31:21   Once on it strip spare the truth that doesn't mean it's nicer or pretty or more enjoyable [TS]

01:31:29   or more pure to feel what I'm trying to say is that knowing the truth about a thing doesn't detract from it I don't [TS]

01:31:37   think it's a trap Well I think inside think in some ways it does detract from I think it does detract from [TS]

01:31:43   and I'm not saying it means we shouldn't do it [TS]

01:31:45   and I'd do it more than anyone I make a career doing in making videos about how things really work. [TS]

01:31:50   Audit make videos I have made videos about how rainbows work I have not made videos about that because being at the end [TS]

01:31:56   of the rainbow but I guess I got more pleasure from rainbows when I didn't know the truth. [TS]

01:32:04   I'm glad to know the truth [TS]

01:32:05   and I wouldn't swear I wouldn't change it for a million dollars because I'm someone who has to know the truth. [TS]

01:32:10   Right that there was there was a lovely pleasure I gained when I didn't know the truth and [TS]

01:32:16   and I almost feel more fondly about those times. [TS]

01:32:21   OK So to try to try to bring it back with you would say that if we knew for sure tomorrow that there was no free will [TS]

01:32:32   that the universe was deterministic yet that would make you sad or I would be glad I knew the truth [TS]

01:32:41   and I would make videos about it [TS]

01:32:43   and I would always be a pains to tell my friends the truth until the look as is the way it is science has proven a [TS]

01:32:49   but I would think more fund lay of the time [TS]

01:32:52   when I thought that my wife chose to marry me I would I would I would wish that had been the case [TS]

01:32:59   but I would accept the truth [TS]

01:33:00   and adopt the truth how hot it less than that I think this is now just coming down to the fundamental difference with [TS]

01:33:08   us. Whereas I don't have that reaction and you do. [TS]

01:33:12   So here we are that just like I think you should never get an apple watch. [TS]

01:33:19   I think you have huge should not think for too long about the nature of choice in the universe I think just after the [TS]

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01:35:47   Cannot talk about world asteroid day which was just it was just the other day. [TS]

01:35:52   We are the hope for center the way through a huge huge development there. I'll keep this quick. [TS]

01:36:01   I'll keep this quick because we've talked about asteroids before. [TS]

01:36:06   Area or asteroid [TS]

01:36:07   or the other day I saw we were driving on I was talking with my wife Bastro as we both know episodes on whether we [TS]

01:36:12   would want to know if a global killer was coming and is that a good thing right. [TS]

01:36:17   Right question I was asked that arson very interesting [TS]

01:36:20   and I wonder what your opinion on this is for all the people who follow asteroids [TS]

01:36:26   and I guess is you know NASA has an other bodies like that [TS]

01:36:29   and I know the percentages of this happening in that happening in this one's going to missed by that much. [TS]

01:36:35   What do you think the sort of threshold all cutoff [TS]

01:36:38   or trigger point is said taking one of these things to the president at what point how many of these things to they see [TS]

01:36:46   in the and tell the president about. [TS]

01:36:52   Are you asking how often does the president get a memo about there's an asteroid that might hit [TS]

01:36:57   or if it oh oh oh oh what would trigger him getting a memory [TS]

01:37:00   or a visit to his office of someone saying look we think an agent. [TS]

01:37:07   I don't know does the president need to know is there anything you can do about it I don't think that's an actionable [TS]

01:37:12   item of most all the time. [TS]

01:37:14   Seething they wouldn't tell the president I thought my story was going to hit here I don't know I'm in my brain I'm [TS]

01:37:21   trying to think about what the policy [TS]

01:37:23   but the policy decision for this would be I don't know what do you think would How often should the president No I [TS]

01:37:29   don't know what the trigger point is [TS]

01:37:31   but I definitely think that they would tell him if they thought one was going to hit at some level of said. [TS]

01:37:40   It's on the if the president is the president takes a sudden vacation family an unexpected vacation we should all [TS]

01:37:47   figure was not good news. [TS]

01:37:49   Maybe every presidential vacation announcement should be treated in that way of my advice to people [TS]

01:37:57   when you're the president got on vacation you should think this is a boat if we suddenly announce that we're not going [TS]

01:38:03   to be doing approaches for the next four months then take a little break for five weeks and three days. [TS]

01:38:13   We're talking to him back after that and I just want to go to know if we love you very much. Yeah. [TS]

01:38:22   Yeah I don't I don't know what is. [TS]

01:38:25   I'm more interested in what is this world asteroid day [TS]

01:38:28   and now I don't know some awareness day probably for people who are trying to get funding [TS]

01:38:32   or asteroid tracking something I mean there should be there should definitely be funding for Astoria getting I'm a big [TS]

01:38:39   fan of that [TS]

01:38:40   and him mainly because even if even if it is not a even if is not a probable event the downside is huge for me. [TS]

01:38:49   You need to protect yourself against massive downside of vents and that's that's [TS]

01:38:54   when this case itself world asteroid day gets more funding to wards looking to the skies for asteroids. [TS]

01:38:59   I'm also at a time [TS]

01:39:00   when let's be honest we probably couldn't stop an asteroid what is the point of now of spending millions and millions. [TS]

01:39:08   Well I think part of the point would be to try to figure out how to stop it as well like I just don't yeah OK if if I [TS]

01:39:15   mean honestly if we're just looking [TS]

01:39:16   and we have no ability to do anything the wasted money why bother I would shut down [TS]

01:39:24   and if we're not even thinking about how to powder stops of how wonder what percentage of space expenditure is spent on [TS]

01:39:30   exploration versus protection from impact the the thing they're used have to mention in the physics curriculum for [TS]

01:39:39   asteroid impacts which did come up as a little thing was. [TS]

01:39:45   Very cost effective ways to stop asteroids [TS]

01:39:49   and one of the ones that I thought was was the most interesting to talk about if I don't know the actual practicality [TS]

01:39:54   of him from a scientist perspective [TS]

01:39:56   but talking about how if you can spot it very far in advance that one of the possibilities is to just paint ball it [TS]

01:40:07   basically or to just hit it with a big thing of white paint yet [TS]

01:40:12   and that just by slightly changing the reflectivity of it if you know the asteroid is far enough away. [TS]

01:40:18   Slowing it down because they're more photons bouncing off of it from the sun even just an infinitesimal amount will be [TS]

01:40:26   will accomplish your task of making it not hit the earth. [TS]

01:40:30   Yeah because the Earth is such a tiny target [TS]

01:40:32   and the asteroid is so far away so that's why I think I can imagine that if you have anough warning there's crazy stuff [TS]

01:40:39   like that that you could do that could affect it [TS]

01:40:42   but if it's a with its land it's going to hit us in a week that's probably too late. [TS]

01:40:48   It's probably not going to help the other good thing about painting a Y. [TS]

01:40:51   Is even if it doesn't stop hitting us will get a better look at it coming. [TS]

01:40:54   Yeah that as is the cool thing to do it right with the paint ball it's not the military that isn't a whitewash [TS]

01:41:01   everything yet that's exactly what I have to ask you know I've been looking at his eyes when the show notes [TS]

01:41:08   and been very curious about it. You have written. [TS]

01:41:11   World's Ugliest you know Augie Well every year his every year to have this competition Akin ends up getting you know [TS]

01:41:19   lots of he chip it isn't it's one of those like annual novelty stories that the media like so much it's a competition [TS]

01:41:25   and I imagine it must be heroes in America because where us what happened [TS]

01:41:29   and that good old journalist doing their jobs they just hard he knew had one recently [TS]

01:41:32   and I've been aware of this for years but I was a competition. [TS]

01:41:36   Yes like a competition you get usually get like you know I ten freakishly idly dogs [TS]

01:41:40   and then the judges pick which one is the ugliest it just happened about a week ago the care now I've never really [TS]

01:41:46   minds are too much. [TS]

01:41:47   I watched a video about this wake and I are now suddenly I feel strongly about all of a sudden and I don't like it. [TS]

01:41:57   Now they argue that because I have to have an argument for it [TS]

01:41:59   and I because I have to have some kind of justification [TS]

01:42:02   and Niagara that it's all about showing that zero dogs are beautiful and even the ugly ones should be loved [TS]

01:42:07   and win prizes and get some attention. [TS]

01:42:09   What kind of balls is that I think I think that's a whole argument for why is essentially you know nineteenth century [TS]

01:42:18   freak show yeah it's this is a circus sideshow of an OS this more what should we show is not about the beauty of [TS]

01:42:24   humanity it's about look at these three hundred and I watched the other day [TS]

01:42:28   and it honestly it made my heart so sad watching them working them make a spectacle of these dogs because they believe [TS]

01:42:35   the ugly [TS]

01:42:36   and I almost want to I want to punch the screen now I admit I'm a bit biased because there seems to be a much higher [TS]

01:42:41   than average number of child was in these competitions. [TS]

01:42:46   Well that that's not surprising because two hours are at the at the end of the spectrum of genetic freakishness of Yeah [TS]

01:42:53   I mean you've taken a wolf [TS]

01:42:55   and you've turned it into Audrey Yeah you know what most of the time that science experiment is going to go Terran [TS]

01:43:01   answer that I want to our well I mean even though she sometimes is sometimes. [TS]

01:43:05   Skates the line between being ridiculously cute and a little bit like funny looking [TS]

01:43:11   but for all he manages to come down on the quay side every time [TS]

01:43:14   but she's a little closer that uncanny valley I get I'm upset about this thing [TS]

01:43:21   and I just want to say I think we should stop what I call a stock [TS]

01:43:24   and I did not believe this how it's for the greater good of course not and I'm going to try to avoid it next year. [TS]

01:43:34   Yeah I mean I don't even know the things that you mean just just if they did. [TS]

01:43:39   World ugly is person [TS]

01:43:41   and the organizers were telling us all about the beauty of humans it's just you're obviously full of it [TS]

01:43:47   and this he should just you're just making money off of the friction on a ball that would be fiber anyway so don't [TS]

01:43:53   don't let me find out you're going a great because I'll be really upset. [TS]

01:43:56   I'm not going right now I'm not going to put it in the SHOWED UP GOOD GOOD Now the next item in the show you know is [TS]

01:44:03   Glastonbury Music Festival and so you were at the Glastonbury Music say I was nothing. [TS]

01:44:10   Tells me how little you know about Glastonbury more than how you spell QUESTENBERG did I write it in the show notes of [TS]

01:44:18   that right there so I didn't write it because it was a quick [TS]

01:44:20   and spelt like that how I wrote Glastonbury just the way it's out your [TS]

01:44:25   but you write very like Barry with a strawberry B E W Why is that not right. It's be you why. [TS]

01:44:32   OK whatever [TS]

01:44:34   and this is an audio format nobody knows if I'm saying Glastonbury with a barrier Glaston burry were able to even [TS]

01:44:42   though I was a Glastonbury gives a lot you don't say Glastonbury it is more Questenberg. [TS]

01:44:47   OK whatever I look I'm super into music and I did Guy I went on the first Friday [TS]

01:44:56   but I did come back because well to be honest the lineup wasn't as good this year [TS]

01:45:03   and there were the the family things going on so we want to get back that to the hometown to be with family so I was [TS]

01:45:08   only there for one day I had one not I had a really good time. [TS]

01:45:15   I do enjoy going and I imagine we will keep going each year because we like it so much. [TS]

01:45:21   But man you know how there are lots of things in life that I enjoy and I kind of try [TS]

01:45:26   and force the monuments I grant you should do it you know you should try it just for the experience [TS]

01:45:30   and stuff I'm not even a try with this one. There's just you would hi to you would hate it. [TS]

01:45:36   Yeah I know I would hate it I see even you send me some of these pictures are I see on Twitter you're trying to post [TS]

01:45:42   pictures of how of how great it is you're there with a little umbrella in your drink [TS]

01:45:47   or whatever you're doing it just but in the background it looks like Calcutta just looked off [TS]

01:45:52   and that was in the video basic shit [TS]

01:45:54   and that's why I sent you a picture of some tent city you know in some third world country would like this is what this [TS]

01:46:02   festival looks like it looks horrible. [TS]

01:46:05   Recently there is something funny about something so potion expensive happening in such third world conditions that [TS]

01:46:13   there is there is no universe in which I'm going to the Glastonbury festival with you it's never going to happen I'm [TS]

01:46:20   not even good I'm glad you like it. [TS]

01:46:22   I'm glad that the neurons in your brain are set up in such a way that you can derive pleasure from this event [TS]

01:46:27   but my brain is not right that the curtain is pulled back on a regular basis [TS]

01:46:32   when your question brain you realize what the heck am I doing here. [TS]

01:46:34   Very often with standing in the toilet [TS]

01:46:36   and need awful ask human need for toileting is a big problem isn't Yeah it's awful it is a big problem. [TS]

01:46:44   This it was almost the this is I'm a civilization ending problem of are we get too many people at the other in a city [TS]

01:46:51   and toilet problems equals cholera equals plagues you know if we didn't we didn't luck out with our medicine tech tree [TS]

01:46:59   progressing you know cities cities were a disaster for a long time. [TS]

01:47:04   So he's basically creating a horrible grabs a very looks like you've got your it's like a tent city. [TS]

01:47:12   Slash eighteenth century plumbing situation that you're going to boy I can't wait I can't wait to go now has a lot of [TS]

01:47:20   good things that and I would recommend to most people but not you. [TS]

01:47:23   The it did make me think they're saying all these bands if you and I are in a band. [TS]

01:47:29   Presumably because usually with a few other people. [TS]

01:47:32   Coast soon I began to call them is A four paper I think is that course number for a band here there are many two man [TS]

01:47:38   band other there are but you have a team you can yeah but someone on the drums. [TS]

01:47:43   There's two guitars we were if we were in a band with a few other friends I did wonder what Apple's issues in the band [TS]

01:47:51   with a what do you think are you in a band what would he pay what you mean what instrument you will a level with your [TS]

01:47:59   position I would you be the lead singer guitarist the drama what would you pay to be the accountant you could say that [TS]

01:48:21   you didn't join you to joy bring together the set list every night because that's a list. [TS]

01:48:25   Yeah I could do more of the the admin side if you had to be on holiday Joe come on because I've been thinking about it [TS]

01:48:33   and I'm Michelle he had you down as drama because you kind of down the back and hidden away a bit. [TS]

01:48:40   Stuff [TS]

01:48:40   but I've now decided I think you'd be on bass guitar they've guitar because the gun bicycle tires normally off to the [TS]

01:48:47   side he doesn't talk or sing much he always seems to look at the most serious and stand [TS]

01:48:52   when they're performing her so when we stub [TS]

01:48:55   and I'm putting you down to basic to I mean I know nothing about music so I base guitar sounds good that you kind of [TS]

01:49:04   look at it like a bass guitars to that is that that the deep left field being on a band that Condit is already a kind [TS]

01:49:12   of a he can sort of be hidden away and like get less attention. [TS]

01:49:16   Oh I thought oh just went up a check of a check but that is in case like my wife looked out of the house to mine. [TS]

01:49:24   OK OK you go go right just use obviously you just sit there [TS]

01:49:26   and think about you you think about what I'm going to be in the band Well like I like a he's going to go OK brag on [TS]

01:49:35   Internet the me talking to you again although I think there's no doubt about this. My prediction. [TS]

01:49:41   Brady obviously should be the drummer that's what it seems like Brady should be however however. [TS]

01:49:51   I think in Brady's own mind he might imagine himself as the lead singer. That's my prediction here. [TS]

01:49:59   Brady should be the drummer that's where I would buy him but he might think that he's the lead singer [TS]

01:50:05   or going to Reno wait for me to get back and see what happens. Sorry go ahead. [TS]

01:50:12   There's a great big enough there's a great big storm rolling and I can see it coming in over the say [TS]

01:50:16   and that was an Amazon delivery [TS]

01:50:18   but my wife is outside bringing stuff in because it's going to rain so she didn't hear the door. [TS]

01:50:25   And then or do you write to me at the stairs most to come in but I'm not letting her and you know letting her [TS]

01:50:30   and she's very cute she is. But my wife will think she's gone missing and have to come looking for us. [TS]

01:50:37   I let us do the mid to catch a breath through your floor of seven [TS]

01:50:42   or hear your have an elevator in your house I think I'm right now you know where where we I was talking to the people [TS]

01:50:53   you were gone. [TS]

01:50:53   What do you tell them I'm not telling you what I told you what I want a want to know from you is where do you see [TS]

01:51:01   yourself in a band. Well we can ignore how bad my singing voice is because I can't think of pain. [TS]

01:51:07   Us I mean I can't play bass guitar. [TS]

01:51:11   Yet we're just we're going to presume that you have the talent to be in any of the possession. [TS]

01:51:16   Where do you see yourself I have decided not to be the lead singer. [TS]

01:51:21   Rilya but I'm going to be like the like to show a leaky Tyrus because I do like a bit of attention sometimes [TS]

01:51:30   but I don't like being the absolute center of attention I like being a little bit to the side so I'd be I'd be like I [TS]

01:51:38   would sometimes do a bit of accompanying singing and I'd be like the main guitarist so [TS]

01:51:44   but not so I think of me more like bit more like the edge. Robin Bond I. Which means nothing to you. [TS]

01:51:55   So you need to be legally the guitarist things as well I didn't know that depends on the band sometimes that little [TS]

01:52:01   Yeah I can sing it. [TS]

01:52:03   Sorry I'll catch me saying that maybe they'll be one [TS]

01:52:05   or two big hits where I'm missing out like it was like all of the songs of the one the Brady sings [TS]

01:52:11   but I wouldn't be the late singer club couldn't handle that much attention. [TS]

01:52:15   Interesting interesting I would put you on drums. [TS]

01:52:19   Yeah you seem like a man who would enjoy the drum out enjoy the to violence of the drums the caveman bang here at like [TS]

01:52:26   brushing your teeth. [TS]

01:52:29   You're bit too much down the back way although when I had to go to kicks a car to watch the drummer [TS]

01:52:32   and think wow the psycho donated the drummer seems like they're doing the most they seem the most active it's good [TS]

01:52:39   exercise to be good for white last thing would it. [TS]

01:52:44   So if it's grey I have you know how I want to tell you that this invention of mine which is code the prick humble this [TS]

01:52:54   again OK I have a brick umble [TS]

01:52:57   but not only there is let's forget the bread humble side of it I cannot wait to tell you base because this is going to [TS]

01:53:02   be a very special moment for my good friend. [TS]

01:53:05   Derek from Veritasium this is he who I was just thinking would be the lead singer but yeah or there [TS]

01:53:12   or here he in Destin would be slugging it out forever that So this is a great moment for Derek This is like this is his [TS]

01:53:21   karma moment so enjoy the stare at her [TS]

01:53:23   but this is also an example what I think is a brick Kumble OK my my friend map aka are you know as well friend of yours [TS]

01:53:32   was well met numerous times he's a number of our videos [TS]

01:53:35   and cause i'm so for stand up mathematician he sort of mixes comedy mathematics last year he brought out a book very [TS]

01:53:43   good book called things to make undoing the fourth dimension. [TS]

01:53:46   I recommend going lot came out in hardback It's just come out in paperback. [TS]

01:53:52   Same phoned me up the other day [TS]

01:53:53   and said Braddy got some news for you in the I'm a new addition in the paperback edition. [TS]

01:54:00   I've put even ignore the Germans you know because I help promote a spoken of help from a human is not to videos [TS]

01:54:08   and stuff [TS]

01:54:09   and I'm like wow like I don't think of a beginning knowledge of knowledge into the book before it touched on looking on [TS]

01:54:16   alike right I was a bit pleased with myself I bet you were so I said are thanks man you know you didn't have to do that [TS]

01:54:23   that's really good thank you very much and then he said unfortunately. [TS]

01:54:29   Some copy editor took it upon themselves and changed your name from Brady to Bradley. [TS]

01:54:38   And it's been printed however many thousands in the new in the new paperback edition of matchbooks I went from not [TS]

01:54:46   being in the dollars of the hard back to being in the misspelled a girl which means I've got here in front of me. [TS]

01:54:57   Matt has scientists met sent me a couple of copies [TS]

01:54:59   and he signed it he said Do not look at page four fifty three from Matt that I went straight to bed for fifty three [TS]

01:55:05   and here is in black and white. [TS]

01:55:08   Thanks also to Bradley Heron of Number Five fame obviously not much famous now [TS]

01:55:14   when those at the sperm I that if Bradley have never felt them who's filmed me for you to be dominoes pies miles on [TS]

01:55:20   pieces of paper and the number zero. Now I think I think that is a brick. [TS]

01:55:27   Humble because the whole point of sang it I'm in the conventions of a book is to then say and no one knows who I am [TS]

01:55:35   and I got my name wrong. [TS]

01:55:38   And I think Derek should also have an arsenal smart himself after only this is just yeah this is just karmic justice [TS]

01:55:46   for for your constant making up of his name [TS]

01:55:52   and the I think it was the last pod cast you did it you had one that was so distorted I didn't even make it so I didn't [TS]

01:55:58   you cry got into my usual Yeah as I said I thought you were making some just bizarre reference to other people I didn't [TS]

01:56:06   realize that was supposed to be Derek a very to have C.N.N. [TS]

01:56:09   So that's why I didn't have my usual whisper of trying to make sure that people who don't know who the heck you're [TS]

01:56:13   talking about actually get to hear the correct thing that was saying that one was really was far off the reservation so [TS]

01:56:21   I think this is just you you getting some karmic payback this is my comeuppance. [TS]

01:56:26   What you do I got my Japanese I still don't get how this is this is brag humbling this seems to me just like a humble [TS]

01:56:33   brag. [TS]

01:56:33   The arm in the acknowledgements of the book [TS]

01:56:36   but these bellman name wrong I don't think I think that I think having I think being so unknown that the copyeditor [TS]

01:56:43   thought well that can't be anyone's name that just change it to what I think the name especially you were just [TS]

01:56:49   imagining what a copy editor is thinking this is there's no there's no evidence for their no [TS]

01:56:55   and there's no reason to assume it's anything other than just a typo. [TS]

01:56:58   Whatever is I for an auto for if they wouldn't they wouldn't get it wrong if it was diffuse thinking Tom Hanks. [TS]

01:57:05   But your proof you pursue mean that it could have been Tim hanks of auto correct does something weird if someone's [TS]

01:57:10   typing in they just don't get it I think you're just a humble bragging here. [TS]

01:57:13   OK you're just a humble narrow your own you're trying to make this bizarre brag humble that I still can't even [TS]

01:57:20   understand in my mind I think you drank is telling happened story is gay. [TS]

01:57:24   Hey look at me Get Me I'm a big no mention of a book I'm awesome. And then I got my name. [TS]

01:57:30   This is just a shaggy dog humble brag that's all this isn't a group that's all this one no because Hubble preggers all [TS]

01:57:36   about intent and I know my intent and this you accusing me of having different intent is that what you're doing [TS]

01:57:41   and you accusing me are you a Q Do you think you can come telling the story because I want to brag about made me not [TS]

01:57:48   use this book because I think it's funny that my name was wrong I think you're telling the story because you think it's [TS]

01:57:53   funny that your narrow thank you very much. I rest my legs are no more questions your honor. [TS]

01:57:57   No grass and you're on a recession. Power power Max But don't worry I'm going to pull this from the file. [TS]

01:58:08   I do see opportunity here because they can be of because they will correct this in the next edition at which point it [TS]

01:58:16   will become a humble brag but also that Maine like that upside down plane on the stamp. [TS]

01:58:22   This is right this is a collectors This is the collective edition [TS]

01:58:26   but I'm going to go one better because I've got three copies here signed by Matt [TS]

01:58:30   and I'm going to sign the three copies from Bradley Herod health that if a limited edition. [TS]

01:58:39   I think you're getting things done option of God here. This could be the only charge anyone ever has to own this book. [TS]

01:58:48   Dedicated one I'm saying is dedicated to me now rather than making lists [TS]

01:58:52   and of if you know this is again this is just how conversations go every can get the exaggerated it's going to be that [TS]

01:59:00   Matt Parker wrote a book about through which the entire thing you were misnamed the Bradley the end result here that [TS]

01:59:08   the book is actually called Bradley hair in a life of awesome this. Yes anyway. [TS]

01:59:18   Says in three years [TS]

01:59:19   when you tell the story again that's what it's going to be all in fan just just just a machine just to make great feel [TS]

01:59:27   bad all I'm saying is keep a lookout for the signed Bradley Heritage Action which would be some to raise money for [TS]

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02:02:39   Yes he is that we're two hours into that were two hours into this response gas is already going to be really really the [TS]

02:02:45   longer it is the later just look at issue the other things here. [TS]

02:02:48   Sittings that month the time sensitive The only other one that I think is time sensitive. [TS]

02:02:54   Perhaps is plane crash corner you know that's what you figure out OK Alright let's roll that wasn't where I thought you [TS]

02:03:03   were GO AHEAD This is why don't you tell me about your iris to an artist to at the time sensitive once you're on we [TS]

02:03:08   have to treat her. [TS]

02:03:08   I'm sorry cry hero we have three tickets quickly to plane crashed on a let's do it really quickly because I haven't got [TS]

02:03:13   much to say this and and I almost never have anything to say you know that we can get there at very fast. [TS]

02:03:18   Lots [TS]

02:03:18   and lots of people have been in touch with us to tell his that Grayson nemesis Roman mess now you know let's not turn [TS]

02:03:29   it into with they know I'm not turning it into a hijacking. I'm shaking your figs and his your big fan of his work. [TS]

02:03:35   Yeah it was a funny little thing with the flag that happened a while back. [TS]

02:03:38   He's he's put out another episode of ninety nine percent in disapproval [TS]

02:03:43   and this time he's managed to combine two of our interests. [TS]

02:03:48   One being plane crashes for me and the other one being automation so you [TS]

02:03:55   and it's a good listen I play forth this into you know it's a good up such listen to cry willing to in the nights I do [TS]

02:04:02   want to point something out very Because last time when he when this Ted took time out from Raymond all about flags. [TS]

02:04:09   It was like a bit unlucky fee because you were planning to do a video on flags and [TS]

02:04:13   and kind of scope of your plants little bit and we joked about it right. [TS]

02:04:17   It's so good so good that because of that everyone now things because this podcast came out [TS]

02:04:23   and he talks about tying crashes and automation it's like he's done again. Good luck happy. [TS]

02:04:30   How could he isn't done again I mean it's not like we've been talking about plane crashes for far longer than you [TS]

02:04:36   certainly want to and I don't think I'll turn even just a [TS]

02:04:41   and you've done your big like you know seminal automation video that got two hundred billion of us so it's not like [TS]

02:04:48   it's not like like we've been we've been scooped or anything he's just done a good pot customs interesting topics [TS]

02:04:55   and done a good job than made a nice thing to listen to than comes into [TS]

02:04:59   but it's not like every time someone does a podcast [TS]

02:05:03   or video something that we are interested in it means like we've been scooped [TS]

02:05:08   or it's bad news for us that flag thing was a little stroke of bad luck a while ago but you know like we say no [TS]

02:05:15   when I was the fat they dissipate made a nice pod cast about a plane crash that happened quite a long time ago. [TS]

02:05:22   Did you listen to it to do like to cheat have come away with any thoughts on it. [TS]

02:05:26   Yeah I listen to it I thought it was a very good episode [TS]

02:05:30   and if you haven't listen to ninety nine percent of the ball I think this is a good place to start. [TS]

02:05:36   It really it really drew me in and yes he's talking is talking about the intersection of Why Do plane crashes happen [TS]

02:05:43   and how much are humans. [TS]

02:05:46   Reliant on automation and my general opinion on that is not reliant enough [TS]

02:05:54   but he puts together a very good story about the kinds of problems that can happen. [TS]

02:05:59   What I would say I would describe it as during a transition phase where airplane travel is more automated than it used [TS]

02:06:08   to be but it's not completely automated and what what happens to pilots in that phase [TS]

02:06:16   when it was just very interesting talking about how little time behind the steering wheel. [TS]

02:06:24   Pilots actually have no idea that even pilots who have been working for a long time if you go back through the logs [TS]

02:06:30   and say how long were they flying the plane for AIDS. [TS]

02:06:33   Terrifyingly short number even for pots have been around for a while I didn't see very much of a people trying to kick [TS]

02:06:39   up a fuss. [TS]

02:06:40   Mostly I just thought this was a perfect episode of the intersection of our two hour to interest [TS]

02:06:47   but I really shouldn't have listened to it because I hate to listen to stuff about planes crashing especially because [TS]

02:06:54   I'm going to be getting on a plane in a couple of weeks [TS]

02:06:56   and fly across the Atlantic again as of course I'll be thinking about this the whole time great [TS]

02:07:01   but despite my my best interest [TS]

02:07:03   and not listening to this stuff it really drew me in right away so I will highly recommend that people give it a listen. [TS]

02:07:09   Unless they're on an airplane right now don't give a listen if your own heart not going to recommend it quite so [TS]

02:07:14   happily because if you are a plane crash enthusiastic like me this is this felt like trading of outer actually [TS]

02:07:24   and in fact this is a yeah this is old hat video pretty much every single episode of a crash investigation is likely if [TS]

02:07:31   it's like well the PAS did the wrong thing [TS]

02:07:34   and in the plane crashed so I wouldn't make it my introductory put cost two hundred amps invisible they're out there [TS]

02:07:40   were others I like more but like any one of his podcast it is really well done [TS]

02:07:45   and if you're just if you're just a cat have a casual interest in plane crashes then he will like it very much [TS]

02:07:52   and it was interesting it was interesting the automation part was quite interesting because it almost felt like it was [TS]

02:07:57   built into this kind of anti great game and along the lines of safety get too reliant on automation. [TS]

02:08:03   When the pope hits the fan. [TS]

02:08:05   You've got no idea what you're doing [TS]

02:08:07   and that was that was kind of true that's that's what kind of that's what was said [TS]

02:08:10   and I found it really interesting [TS]

02:08:11   when the guy was saying that he thinks pilots who sometimes mid-flight just know could out of what I posit is to have a [TS]

02:08:16   little fly for themselves to keep their skills and I start that are due to my flight but [TS]

02:08:22   but then at the end he kind of heat. [TS]

02:08:24   Human is undercut and basically they say yes there are going to be crashes because of this reliance on automation [TS]

02:08:31   but overall it's a price worth paying because the automation make writing say forever oh such kind of look at it brings [TS]

02:08:37   out argument undercuts quite a bit there are vastly fewer accidents because of that [TS]

02:08:43   and I haven't it's on my listening Q I haven't listened to the Part two which is out now. [TS]

02:08:49   Yeah which is supposed to be about cars I have a listen to it either [TS]

02:08:51   but I'm imagining I'm going to guess that the similar a similar argument that you might you might end up with for a [TS]

02:08:58   while drivers who are less experienced [TS]

02:09:00   but overall I mean the car crash numbers are always terrifying if I forget I think it's like forty thousand people in [TS]

02:09:06   America year Arnold in car crashes has like if you can do anything to pull that number down. [TS]

02:09:11   It's it's a tremendous good and automation will do that [TS]

02:09:16   but I have a dozen that episode yet so I don't know anything anyway. [TS]

02:09:19   Nine times that visible could put cast this is a good episode I would have liked a few more questions answered. [TS]

02:09:25   Maybe was a bit superficial for the plane crash in series East among us [TS]

02:09:29   but for the for the layman like gray give a guy this is the this is the difficulty of making things for the Internet [TS]

02:09:36   that yet because it is this little thing in a Who are you making it for because. [TS]

02:09:43   To me everything was novel and to you it's it's old hat and I mean I'm sure when you when you make videos [TS]

02:09:50   and I make videos you get the same kind of feedback where [TS]

02:09:53   when you have something that's popular you end up hearing from people who just know everything about her half across [TS]

02:09:58   Yes And so a [TS]

02:10:00   when I have had a period from a whole bunch of Confederate scholars this yes it's like I know that you know way more [TS]

02:10:07   details about this but I am going for an audience of people who know nothing about this [TS]

02:10:12   but you can't possibly please both of those both of those crowds of you know a lot about plane crashes maybe this is [TS]

02:10:19   not the episode for you [TS]

02:10:20   but if you're like me in try to avoid everything about plane crashes yet somehow do a podcast with a guy who always [TS]

02:10:26   want to talk about them it was more interesting. [TS]

02:10:29   So one law says a lot of other things we want to talk about the top where at a time really [TS]

02:10:34   but there is one more thing yes aims timely [TS]

02:10:35   and I have to ask you about it because you seem to be you you are the unofficial brand ambassador for read in my [TS]

02:10:42   opinion that this is not a job I want to know this is not a dollar so I do not want to be read at Brandeis So they're [TS]

02:10:50   ugly and has problems with red and my way into it was actually quite personal because I got caught [TS]

02:10:55   and Franco who's another number far contributor he's a mathematician based Berkeley who I make films with was doing one [TS]

02:11:01   of these red to ask me anything and I noticed he was doing [TS]

02:11:05   and I want to send more traffic towards it not that not that read it needs my help build in traffic [TS]

02:11:10   but so I went on Twitter and read it myself and said Ah [TS]

02:11:12   but hey everyone my Ed is doing an Ask me anything if you want to go and catch him go to it [TS]

02:11:17   and about five minutes after I tweeted and I went back to say what was happening and it had been shut down [TS]

02:11:25   and also on the whole road ahead he's had some glitch on his particular. Am I. [TS]

02:11:30   Isn't that on Monday [TS]

02:11:32   and then over the next few hours I began to realize this was a small part of something much much bigger [TS]

02:11:38   and I haven't completely got my head around what's going on but they're having problems that read it this way. [TS]

02:11:43   Can now it's been in the mind stream press and everything. G.M. [TS]

02:11:46   Do you want to explain can you give me the executive summary of what's going down. [TS]

02:11:52   Yes So you mentioned you want to talk about them and I was reluctant to talk about it. [TS]

02:11:58   Her merrily because it's it's a complicated thing to explain and it's also really inside baseball stuff. [TS]

02:12:08   So I I'm not quite sure how to explain it without going into a whole bunch of detail the people who don't know anything [TS]

02:12:14   about Reddit won't care at all about Chad I shagged Splenda as art. Maybe would hope you to him. [TS]

02:12:20   Me tell you what I think happened at it let's do that. [TS]

02:12:24   Yeah that's a good starting point as a good hour tell us what your Purcell and tell you my perception of what happened. [TS]

02:12:29   My perception of what happened is this woman who works for read it as like a paid employee of read it [TS]

02:12:37   and her name is Victoria. [TS]

02:12:40   And she organizes lots of things and is involved in various parts of read it and one of her jobs. [TS]

02:12:45   Oh say is running the Ask me anything. [TS]

02:12:47   Section where quite often famous people come on and on to questions from Red is now she was suddenly [TS]

02:12:58   and abruptly fired or lost her job or read it the reason for this is unclear. [TS]

02:13:05   Now some now many of the volunteers of Reddit who really keep it all going. [TS]

02:13:10   These moderators who is so important to read it [TS]

02:13:13   but are not employees of credit this kind of volunteers that hope it runs mostly. [TS]

02:13:18   We're very displeased about this woman losing her job and how it was handled I thought it was on set [TS]

02:13:25   and as their way of protesting. [TS]

02:13:27   Thanks basically crippled sections of the website by setting things to private making them inaccessible [TS]

02:13:34   and I've made that's basically shut down bits of read it out of protest and as a result. [TS]

02:13:40   Normal users like me who aren't ready and moderators or anything a lot of the sections we like easing [TS]

02:13:45   and now ham strung as this battle goes on between the volunteer moderators to sticking up for this woman called [TS]

02:13:52   Victoria and the actual business people who run read it. [TS]

02:13:56   Who who took away this woman's job for whatever reason that's what I think happened you know. [TS]

02:14:04   Yeah I think that that that's a that's a fair description of what has occurred. [TS]

02:14:09   But even even that even that to me is a bit as a bit specific I think I may be here the way I would try to describe [TS]

02:14:17   this in the most general terms about what's going on at rhetoric is I would say about a year ago there was a change in [TS]

02:14:27   leadership at read it the people who are running red at the company today ownership change cry it was a just knew [TS]

02:14:34   people were employed to be the boss. There's a new new C.E.O. [TS]

02:14:38   and A couple of high level people brought on board is the way to play [TS]

02:14:43   and since since that time there have been a lot of things that some portion of the people who use Reddit don't like [TS]

02:14:58   yeah [TS]

02:14:58   and as read it has gotten popular there are there are other kinds of problems with the site that they don't seem to be [TS]

02:15:08   addressing [TS]

02:15:09   and what I would say has happened with read it in just the past few days is a bit like a riot in in that the people [TS]

02:15:19   running read it have what I would describe as as high negative numbers that the vast majority of people who visit read [TS]

02:15:27   a don't know anything about anything how the site run by They're just going to see funny caption. [TS]

02:15:32   But insiders have a very negative reaction to the leadership of read it so if you imagine a graph is like a spike at [TS]

02:15:41   the at the left hand side for negative numbers and the vast majority of people are neutral. [TS]

02:15:45   Yeah and [TS]

02:15:46   when you say leadership you want to finding the people the money people eating it not the people who like these informal [TS]

02:15:52   latest as what moderators and yeah I mean people who are employed [TS]

02:15:57   or the owners of the cat I'm using leadership in a slightly broad term care for his mother met like people who own the [TS]

02:16:03   company [TS]

02:16:03   or run the Yemeni that that's what I mean again it's the vast majority of users don't really care they don't really [TS]

02:16:10   know anything there. [TS]

02:16:11   On luck a lot of men here when bus drivers go on strike like I don't really care about the strongest salaries [TS]

02:16:17   but suddenly I get affected in all the bus driver stopped driving the busses. [TS]

02:16:21   Yeah yeah [TS]

02:16:21   and so they're just a lot of problems that have been building up among a small group of people this is particularly the [TS]

02:16:29   moderators the people who are running sections on Reddit [TS]

02:16:33   but are not employed by Red have felt that they don't read it has not helped them with the tools that they need as the [TS]

02:16:39   site has gotten popular that has been the glass you know [TS]

02:16:42   and so this is this Victoria person who this now this is a case rife I fall into it as I am only dimly aware of her [TS]

02:16:48   but it also falls into the category of Victoria is a bit like the opposite of the Reddit administration in that the [TS]

02:16:55   vast majority of users don't know who she is [TS]

02:16:57   but the people who do know who she is she has a big spike in her positive for so her so her curve her likability curve [TS]

02:17:04   is the exact reverse of the of the leadership [TS]

02:17:07   and so this is like a riot situation where there's a small group of people [TS]

02:17:12   or a minority of people who intensely dislike the leadership [TS]

02:17:16   and then they is fact the leadership has gotten rid of someone who has very high positive number [TS]

02:17:23   and this is like a collision that has occurred that has made a group of the users very angry [TS]

02:17:30   and then has has caused this little bit of our of our Like I said it's a bit like it feels like a riot it doesn't [TS]

02:17:37   necessarily have anything to do with the particulars of what happened anything could kick it off big [TS]

02:17:43   but like stuff has just been building up [TS]

02:17:45   and yes I think the the the details of the way this situation have been handled have have been very hand fisted have [TS]

02:17:52   been very poorly done but it just felt like there was a fire that's been waiting to happen. [TS]

02:17:58   And this firing of Victoria happen to be the the thing but but it was just building up [TS]

02:18:04   and building up so I think that's the highest level way to describe what is what is occurring how do you say the future [TS]

02:18:11   bookings had to say this is like is this is just going to blow it verges say change happening as a result like how have [TS]

02:18:18   faced I think this fire is and it's it's really interesting. [TS]

02:18:25   I don't know how to judge this [TS]

02:18:27   and one thing one thing that is a number that you can put on it is that there is a petition on Change dot org asking [TS]

02:18:34   for the C.E.O. [TS]

02:18:35   or Read it to step down that has a hundred thousand signatures on it which is not an insignificant number of people [TS]

02:18:44   and I would say that the C.E.O. [TS]

02:18:45   Has definitely demonstrated a a lack of understanding for Internet culture might be the might be the way to put it it's [TS]

02:18:54   a bit like you know your grandma's trying to do something and Hotmail [TS]

02:18:57   and ensure they everything that they're doing indicates to you that they don't know what they're doing there been a few [TS]

02:19:02   events that so that aggravate people you're running the biggest discussion website on the internet you should really [TS]

02:19:09   knows maybe ship read a statement on his My Space I don't I don't know where the future of this is going. [TS]

02:19:16   I feel partly that this is the this is the recurring problem that we see on the Internet that in many ways are like the [TS]

02:19:23   things that we have talked about with You Tube that the Internet has a funny way of trending toward monopolies. Yeah. [TS]

02:19:33   Of of the best video site becomes the only video site [TS]

02:19:39   and the best comments discussion board becomes it's not the only discussion board [TS]

02:19:45   but it's it's it's like it's like you two vs video there are other discussion sites out there that people use [TS]

02:19:52   but there's no doubt about it that read it is the biggest [TS]

02:19:56   and I use it because I was like you do which I think has many technical problem I think the read it the discussion. [TS]

02:20:03   Algorithms they use are by far and away the best that's why I still use them for all of my discussions [TS]

02:20:10   but I think this is the same kind of problem of we have everything is now in one basket [TS]

02:20:16   and so if there's a leadership change [TS]

02:20:18   or if things aren't going very well people get really frustrated really fast because there aren't very many options [TS]

02:20:26   and I don't know if there's a way to do I can open source distributed commenting system in the same way that e-mail is [TS]

02:20:34   an open platform or R.S.S. [TS]

02:20:36   Is an open platform the way we host our podcast I don't know if that's a kind of thing that can happen with with [TS]

02:20:43   comments but because I just don't because here's the thing people have talked about before how before read it. [TS]

02:20:50   Dig was one of the bigger sites in the dig went through problems and everybody left dig for read it [TS]

02:20:55   and now he's read it going through the same thing well if everybody leaves read it for something else I mean the [TS]

02:21:01   probably the largest contender right now is a site called Vote if people leave read it for vote I don't see how this is [TS]

02:21:07   necessarily going to be any different to what we've just we just kick the can down the road of what happens then [TS]

02:21:12   when some other website then becomes a monopoly as time goes on [TS]

02:21:15   and then it just it just it's a difficult it's a difficult thing and. [TS]

02:21:22   I don't know I don't know what's going to happen to read it in the future I think that read it is is great in the [TS]

02:21:29   comments but the way things have been handled I don't I do not think it been handled very well [TS]

02:21:35   and there this thing I mention a couple times is there this problem on the Internet called a strides [TS]

02:21:40   and effect are you aware of the strides I am yeah. For the listeners. [TS]

02:21:43   Strides and effect comes from Barbra Streisand and it's a reference to [TS]

02:21:48   when you try to cover up something on the Internet you often make it worse [TS]

02:21:56   and the example here is that Barbra Streisand many years ago was unhappy that there were some photos of her house on [TS]

02:22:02   the Internet [TS]

02:22:03   and hurt her very actions to try to get rid of those photos is what caused those photos to become popular [TS]

02:22:10   and everybody to see pictures of her house [TS]

02:22:11   and to eventually have an effect named after as the it's like the exact opposite of what anybody would ever want [TS]

02:22:17   and there are there are a few things that red has done which I think are strides [TS]

02:22:21   and affect the in the past couple months where there are things about the site that they don't like [TS]

02:22:28   and then they try to change them and I think it just ends up making those things more popular or more intense [TS]

02:22:35   or it ends up making those things have higher visibility are you talking about base a piece of sections of read of I [TS]

02:22:41   tried to sort of sob so get rid of a never even looking at the more oh yeah I get the again the details of those things [TS]

02:22:48   are very hard to even talk about without making everybody angry or I also think without making the situation worse [TS]

02:22:54   but that is definitely a case where they tried to [TS]

02:22:59   and I've been to the bit something on my mind which is kind of related to this that I don't I don't know how to [TS]

02:23:04   articulate this but it's something in my mind of how there are there are bad thing that happened in the world [TS]

02:23:11   or there are there are like there are bad things that exist in the world [TS]

02:23:15   but sometimes I don't know how to talk about them in a way that I don't that I don't think makes the situation worse. [TS]

02:23:26   I think there are there are very much. I think in just talking about and in a very broad context. [TS]

02:23:34   When people try to do something like banning an idea I think all that happens very often is you end up consolidating [TS]

02:23:46   and strengthening the group of people who believe in that idea. [TS]

02:23:50   You've ended up making them feel now like they are warriors is against injustice and so I'm [TS]

02:24:00   when I think about stuff on the Internet one of the reasons why I always liked read it is the Internet is kind of a [TS]

02:24:08   horrible place but it's a horrible place because people are horrible [TS]

02:24:12   and I much prefer to have a situation where all of the ideas are on the table [TS]

02:24:20   and everybody can everybody can see what those ideas are even if they're not good ones [TS]

02:24:26   but I think what can happen sometimes is when you [TS]

02:24:28   when you try to say oh we want to remove some of these ideas from the table I think it just makes the whole situation [TS]

02:24:34   worse. I think it makes people angry and it makes people who are trying to do good in the world. [TS]

02:24:43   Less aware of what the what the nature of people's minds are if you can't see what all the ideas on on the table are [TS]

02:24:49   there some that are hidden underneath the table [TS]

02:24:52   and I'm trying to talk about it in very general terms because talking about anything in particular you end up just in [TS]

02:24:57   like inflaming an argument I mean I wanted to ask you about the Confederate flag and if aside [TS]

02:25:01   and I thought this my way Chris going to talk about a no no [TS]

02:25:05   but I say this this is the very thing like we discussed the Confederate flag video. [TS]

02:25:10   My most recently the Oh My most recent video before it went up because I was fit I was having this same feeling [TS]

02:25:17   and I talked to a bunch of people about that video [TS]

02:25:20   and I could see that I was getting the same kind of reaction that people from different ends of the spectrum like they [TS]

02:25:29   strengthen their opinion so I'm going to give us as well as if I can pull up something. [TS]

02:25:37   They were really quick because is a perfect example. OK Here we go perfect I found it and that's just great. [TS]

02:25:48   OK so yeah the Confederate flag stuff I don't want to get into any of the details about this argument I just want to [TS]

02:25:53   talk about one thing so [TS]

02:25:56   when I was doing the research for the Confederate flag video I happened to stumble upon a poll from Pew Research that [TS]

02:26:05   people who do all the polls in America. About people's reactions to the Confederate flag. [TS]

02:26:12   Now this is from two thousand and eleven. [TS]

02:26:16   So here we are time I like positive negative reactions to Victoria before this is the same thing for the slack. [TS]

02:26:22   So in two thousand and eleven [TS]

02:26:24   when shown a Confederate flag the reaction that Americans had nine percent of Americans had a positive reaction thirty [TS]

02:26:35   percent of Americans had a negative reaction [TS]

02:26:40   and the rest said that they had no reaction to the Confederate flag they didn't feel one way or the other. [TS]

02:26:46   OK So this is several years ago now we've had this whole big brouhaha over the Confederate flag recently I would bet [TS]

02:26:55   money that what has happened now is that that almost sixty percent of people who had no reaction to the flag that group [TS]

02:27:05   is now gone. [TS]

02:27:07   Right that there's almost no Americans who would say they have no reaction to the Confederate flag [TS]

02:27:12   but here's the thing I would bet that both numbers have increased that Americans who feel negative about the flag have [TS]

02:27:21   vastly increased [TS]

02:27:22   but I would also bet that that nine percent of Americans who have a positive reaction that that number has increased as [TS]

02:27:28   well. [TS]

02:27:29   Well that's Could you leave taken a bunch of neutrals [TS]

02:27:31   and how to I was going to say how to come to the had this massive inappropriate you've taken a bunch of new truce [TS]

02:27:37   and force them to decide you know I did however there's no room for your child anymore Game Camp IO campaign of course [TS]

02:27:44   by throw up. [TS]

02:27:46   Yes [TS]

02:27:46   and what I was trying to put together that Confederate flag video I had several people tell me this this exact same thing [TS]

02:27:52   of the I don't know even how to put the people people said you can no longer make a video that is neutral on the [TS]

02:28:01   Confederate flag that if you if you just want to talk about where the flag came from [TS]

02:28:07   and you don't finish that video with and by the way it's a horrible symbol of injustice [TS]

02:28:13   and should be banned from people's brains for all of time that you are implicitly indorsing horrible I had people tell [TS]

02:28:24   me that I had several people tell me basically that that if you don't come out [TS]

02:28:28   and say that it's awful that that there's no middle ground left anymore [TS]

02:28:35   and this is this is a bit like I don't know I felt like I was trying to get at this with my my my video about they [TS]

02:28:41   could video will make you angry that there are conversations that just spread [TS]

02:28:47   and I don't I don't know if it's I don't know this is what I mean where I think it's hard to have a conversation about [TS]

02:28:55   a thing that doesn't make the situation worse like it is it is on doubtable now that seeing a Confederate flag in [TS]

02:29:07   twenty fifteen going forward as different much worse reactions for people than it did in two thousand [TS]

02:29:15   and fourteen an earlier and we can know that because of this this Pew poll and it's [TS]

02:29:20   but like my parents were tired down to the south and it was just like I would see Confederate flags around [TS]

02:29:27   and I always thought that was kind of weird as a Northerner but I'm going to be really curious that [TS]

02:29:31   when I visit my family this summer. [TS]

02:29:33   Are they all gone I wonder I don't I don't know which way this is going to go I'm sometimes hesitant to talk about some [TS]

02:29:40   topics but it's not because it's not because I don't feel strongly one way [TS]

02:29:45   or the other it's because I don't know how to have the conversation in a way that I think makes things better. [TS]

02:29:53   Not your job as a hose to just not your job you don't have to do that I would follow encourage you not to make things [TS]

02:29:59   worse [TS]

02:30:01   but you are allowed to be useful I think that there are ways in which you can be thinking that you're making a something [TS]

02:30:07   better when you're actually making it worse that just by talking about a thing that gets spread means [TS]

02:30:14   or a good spreads ideas in a way that meant that makes things worse than they were before. [TS]

02:30:21   I'm not doing a good job of explaining this is been on Mamata was just kind of I think what you say is true. [TS]

02:30:27   Everything you're saying is true Bossi think greatly reflects your just kind of your cautious nature [TS]

02:30:33   and you you think a lot about all the different ways things could go before you act on it did a bit more. [TS]

02:30:42   Hey if someone takes up the wrong way and goes crazy Well I wish they wouldn't [TS]

02:30:46   but that's not what I meant that you know you do you think that three quite a bit I think I think it's perfectly valid [TS]

02:30:52   to to to do something unusual on the topic [TS]

02:30:55   and discuss things you truly I have no opinion on what's going on to read it I don't I don't really have a strong [TS]

02:31:00   opinion on the Confederate flag thing I'm a little bit on the little bit misinformed [TS]

02:31:05   or uninformed I should say rather misinformed I did rate today that the person who owns the generally come from the [TS]

02:31:11   cheeks of Hazard who happens to be the goal for a famous go for call Bubba Watson is Manning to paint over the [TS]

02:31:17   Confederate flag on that car with the United States flag and I think that's a bit crazy. [TS]

02:31:24   I mean I don't think you should be painting what it would have you think about that Fleck now I think you should be [TS]

02:31:28   painting over rewriting history. [TS]

02:31:32   But that I am I mean I know it's a purpose a long bow to describe it generally is a piece of history but it kind of is. [TS]

02:31:40   Say And and I I think it's perfectly fine to talk about it and explain the facts of a situation [TS]

02:31:47   and not not have a strong opinion on a I have no strong opinion on a I find it funny that the I'm fortunate murder of [TS]

02:31:54   people has turned into a discussion about Flag Contro. [TS]

02:31:58   Yeah [TS]

02:31:58   but I mean that again that's yeah that's the details of the situation of which I am woefully uninformed as usual I'm [TS]

02:32:07   living in my little news bubble and this came across my attention [TS]

02:32:11   and people were talking about how Apple was removing all games that have the Confederate flag has a that's our regions [TS]

02:32:17   where did this come from and then I have to I'm in the weird position of always having to trace the news. [TS]

02:32:23   It's unlike where did the how did how did this end up [TS]

02:32:27   and you know because again it because I don't follow the news you see the pattern really clearly of the news cycle [TS]

02:32:34   and how things always reach their absurd most absurd later in the week. [TS]

02:32:38   Yeah because something like something starts off in the beginning of the week [TS]

02:32:40   and then by the end of the week it has reached its maximum absurdity [TS]

02:32:44   and then next week the cycle starts over again with something new [TS]

02:32:47   and everybody forgets whatever we were talking about before [TS]

02:32:50   but so that's why I came across as very late in the say they for you it started as a as flags being banned from [TS]

02:32:56   computer games and you had to trick your way to a mass shooting. [TS]

02:32:59   That's exactly right which you can see from my perspective the what the heck is it where did this come from [TS]

02:33:05   and I know nothing of. [TS]

02:33:06   Out anything that has occurred from my perspective is just out of the blue apple says Confederate flags are not allowed [TS]

02:33:13   in video game like how we tried to have a general conversation immediately ended up discussing this Pacific of the [TS]

02:33:18   Confederate flag [TS]

02:33:18   but yeah to draw it to draw it back to to read it I guess is what I was going to say it with the Streisand Effect where [TS]

02:33:28   the really trying to go with that is that the people on Reddit have been critical of the leadership [TS]

02:33:38   but then the leadership has been taken down. [TS]

02:33:42   Threads discussing the situation and [TS]

02:33:45   and like OK that is a perfect example of a Streisand Effect situation you know of people are criticizing you on your [TS]

02:33:53   Web site the only way to roll is to let that go right to let people talk about it [TS]

02:34:01   but I don't think there would be nearly as much anger if it wasn't for the fact that there's there's trying to try to [TS]

02:34:07   be suppression of the discussion. [TS]

02:34:10   And that's why I'm generally very hesitant against any kind of moves to refer to remove ideas from the table to say we [TS]

02:34:19   can't discuss this here I just I don't think that that's that's good even if the ideas are awful like that that's the [TS]

02:34:26   price that you pay for living in a free society. [TS]

02:34:29   I did one hundred percent agree that gray someone drops a comment under one of my videos about the person in the video [TS]

02:34:35   and says something completely outrageous and offensive. I I would not be uncomfortable deleting that comment. [TS]

02:34:43   I've asked I want to make that comment some rooms with like a you know they going to go into a new right on your own we [TS]

02:34:50   have a state [TS]

02:34:50   but you know doing a mind just because someone writes someone if someone wants to make a billboard saying something [TS]

02:34:57   pretty terrible inoffensive are constantly doing it [TS]

02:34:59   but I can't stop them boating it to the front of my house it's a bit different on your You Tube channel because that's [TS]

02:35:04   something you are not running a general purpose platform for discussion. Yeah and ideas for him. [TS]

02:35:10   Yeah OK that's like that is what it is coming here to talk about anything [TS]

02:35:16   and then that's why in the in the last year it's been more about come here to talk about anything except the thing that [TS]

02:35:21   we don't want you to know about and I think that that's why I like but they go [TS]

02:35:26   but we don't want you to talk about the horrible things like because they're hard [TS]

02:35:29   but we're not discussing if they're horrible. [TS]

02:35:31   Right where it's the ultimate thing here is a you're making a decision about what is allowed [TS]

02:35:37   or what is not allowed to be talking Yeah and I'm OK with it like red it has taken down stuff. [TS]

02:35:41   Discussion forums before about stuff that was illegal [TS]

02:35:45   and I think that that is an acceptable boundary to have you were operating within the United States in the United [TS]

02:35:50   States says you're not allowed to have this section of the form. [TS]

02:35:54   Find it it's taken down I don't think anybody argues with that that's quite reasonable [TS]

02:35:59   but there's many more things that that are in it in a different area [TS]

02:36:04   and so if stuff is a legal I'm always OK with a lot of easily you should take that down that you have to take it down [TS]

02:36:09   but other than that I think it's very difficult to have conversations that are are bounded are bound in some way I just [TS]

02:36:17   generally don't I generally don't react very well to that outside this because if excess of of what the discussion is [TS]

02:36:24   but other then I found myself in a weird situation if you're always on the side of of people that you don't necessarily [TS]

02:36:29   like but that's [TS]

02:36:31   but that's what you have to do if if if you want ideas to be on the table if you don't want them to be removed from the [TS]

02:36:36   table if you have to be able to defend the ones that you don't like their presence if not their content. [TS]

02:36:42   OK I'm right with that we've been very we've been very wandering today [TS]

02:36:47   but not for the first I would for the last no no for the last I tell you about this like a long does a lot of things we [TS]

02:36:55   didn't talk about so we've already got the next episode or Asian care of great [TS]

02:37:01   and with British English your heart damage done done nothing was done. [TS]

02:37:05   I don't I think right I think we've been recorded quota we have now is that as been two hours and forty two minutes. [TS]

02:37:14   Yeah I mean you know it started off Sunny the weather turned stormy and rainy here [TS]

02:37:18   and now it looks like it's getting sunnier again so we're actually going through one complete climate changes where I [TS]

02:37:23   am less of course climate change. [TS]