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H.I. #40: The Oval Office of Science


00:00:00   Hello Internet. Don't freak out. Yes I'm talking to you the listener right now. [TS]

00:00:06   Today we're doing something a little different this is a very special episode of the podcast three to set up something [TS]

00:00:13   cool that we actually recorded in person to gether and filmed. That's right. [TS]

00:00:19   There's video and it's video of objects and we're going to be talking about those objects during today's show. [TS]

00:00:26   Now there will be photos and links in the description of today's show [TS]

00:00:30   but if you want more we've actually released this episode as a video at the same time on the hello internet You Tube [TS]

00:00:37   channel if you want to watch the video live you can either search for the hello internet channel on You Tube [TS]

00:00:43   or click the link in the description below. [TS]

00:00:46   And for those afraid of certain kinds of spoilers the video is close up shots of our hands mostly although Brady does [TS]

00:00:52   get in the way of the camera sometimes. [TS]

00:00:54   But don't worry this is primarily a pod cast so if you just want to listen to this episode you are already doing that [TS]

00:01:00   presumably And so you can just keep listening. Either way on to this very special episode of hello internet. [TS]

00:01:08   I'm actually looking at your face and we're in the same room and completely freaking me out. [TS]

00:01:13   I was in that I'm really freaking out because I can literally reach over the microphone and touch your face. [TS]

00:01:20   You know it's strange while I've been setting up I haven't actually looked up and now I just look to you [TS]

00:01:24   and I feel really weird. SAVE THE so I with the arms going to look at my face the whole time. [TS]

00:01:28   We have probably spent more hours talking to each other not looking at each other then [TS]

00:01:34   and then our is actually looking at that mean. Definitely definitely. [TS]

00:01:40   Anyway let's explain why we're in the same place because this is a very special episode of hello internet. [TS]

00:01:46   We're doing something completely different and we're sitting in an amazing place. [TS]

00:01:52   All the Utah people where we're sitting because I got a suspicion I'm going to talk [TS]

00:01:56   and so I'm going to give you every opportunity I can. [TS]

00:02:00   We are in the Royal Society building right now just just outside the window we're actually sitting in the president's [TS]

00:02:08   office in the Royal Society [TS]

00:02:10   and looking out the window is on to the mountains in which people say it was I was at the mall [TS]

00:02:17   and that's not a shopping mall by the way. Yes it's the big street. [TS]

00:02:21   If you those are down the road from us is Buckingham Palace just slightly up the road is Trafalgar Square [TS]

00:02:27   and you may hear a lot of ambient noise because minutes before we started recording it was the changing of the guard so [TS]

00:02:33   we could hear all of the horses going down the street just in front of the building that we are in the president's [TS]

00:02:38   office in the Royal Society. [TS]

00:02:40   I think you're downplaying this whole president's office things like this is the Oval Office of Science. [TS]

00:02:46   Like it like in terms of ceremonial science jobs. President of the Royal Society here in London. [TS]

00:02:54   I can't think of a ceremonial science job as big a deal. I can't think of one Can you think of one. [TS]

00:03:00   It's not the biggest deal in science like winning a Nobel Prize is probably a bigger deal for a scientist. [TS]

00:03:05   And by the way the current president of the Royal Society did win and it was for. [TS]

00:03:10   But but like in terms of like you know I like the posh jobs I think President of the Royal Society is the [TS]

00:03:16   and we are in although it's not oval shaped. [TS]

00:03:19   I'm calling this the Oval Office of Science and you could almost reach out [TS]

00:03:23   and touch his equivalent of the resolute desk. We're looking at his desk right now. [TS]

00:03:27   It does kind of look like they're resolute. [TS]

00:03:28   It does appear it does appear so the current president of the Royal Society is a poll nurse Nobel Prize winner Nobel [TS]

00:03:35   Prize in Medicine big expert on cells and such things genetics does not a cancer research now he is away today. [TS]

00:03:42   He's not sitting here watching us thank goodness because that would make an awkward situation even more awkward yes yes. [TS]

00:03:48   So we've been given his office mainly because one of the quieter rooms in the building [TS]

00:03:52   and we're going to be something very special very shortly [TS]

00:03:56   but first of all we should do with a couple housekeeping matters I believe. [TS]

00:04:00   Because this is a special edition of hello internet. [TS]

00:04:03   We are not going to be doing our usual follow up and [TS]

00:04:06   but now talking for an Arab at what happened in the episode before you be in a place like this [TS]

00:04:12   and then to do let's just talk about whatever happened last five [TS]

00:04:16   or forty five minutes it would seem almost disrespectful to the office and the room current [TS]

00:04:22   and aggravate that is that we just put the last episode LIVE last night. [TS]

00:04:29   So we haven't even had a chance to kind of really go through much of the feedback [TS]

00:04:33   or anything so we're skipping our normal follow up which is probably a good thing. [TS]

00:04:37   So so follow up from Episode thirty nine [TS]

00:04:41   and this episode which I think will be Episode forty miles well will take place in Episode forty one so for those die [TS]

00:04:48   hard fans who love listening to us go over everything in minutia you can have to white I'm sorry because we're dealing [TS]

00:04:56   just with just with World Business Today. Now I want to talk a bit more about where we are. [TS]

00:05:02   Let's talk about the presidency of the Royal Society first. [TS]

00:05:05   OK because I just want people to understand what a big deal this job is [TS]

00:05:08   and I made a couple of notes here of some past presidents of the Royal Society. [TS]

00:05:14   Let me just hit you with a few names I want safe any of these names mean anything to this is from the long list of [TS]

00:05:19   previous presidents interview already and I really feel like like like you have prepared for today. [TS]

00:05:25   I have shown up [TS]

00:05:27   and I'm feeling massively outgunned right now you have you have no you have preparations you have people you have [TS]

00:05:35   people helping you today and I just feel like oh God I don't know what you have no idea what's happening. [TS]

00:05:41   And that as you'll find out that's part of the point where to live really drop and right to that [TS]

00:05:45   but let me hit him with a few names and see if this is not test feels like it's us none of this will be a test [TS]

00:05:51   but I just want to hit you with a few names because I want you to understand the power of the office you're in at the [TS]

00:05:56   moment. Christopher Wren. Ring a bell. Yeah. Architect St Paul's. [TS]

00:06:02   Yes superstar architect of London St Paul's Cathedral which is that big dome church you always see [TS]

00:06:07   when you see the iconic pictures of London he was a president of the Royal Society. [TS]

00:06:12   Little guy called Isaac Newton ring a bell ring about Isaac Newton something with apples in an orchard oratory It's [TS]

00:06:24   always after with you. [TS]

00:06:27   Yeah I think I know Isaac I don't know if you know this one but will mean a lot to our strength in friends [TS]

00:06:31   and means a lot to me. The longest serving president of the Royal Society is a guy called Joseph Banks. [TS]

00:06:36   So that was you know that one you might not know one line is I can say a person he's a botanist [TS]

00:06:43   and he was it was quite a distinguished botanist had a lot to do with a strategy [TS]

00:06:46   and he was on a five dollar night for a long time so he means a lot to me but I'll let you off our thank you. [TS]

00:06:51   Humphry Davy Oh I should know that this is where it starts to feel like a test on an item to see if you know the name [TS]

00:06:58   you doesn't it doesn't I know the name the tell me what to do that we're not going to. [TS]

00:07:03   People can look it up though I want to know right now I can look it up you have it right there. [TS]

00:07:08   Lord rally Raleigh scattering. Oh yeah yeah yeah the past president and they really that probably is correct. [TS]

00:07:18   I'm afraid my pronunciation of everything is terrible. [TS]

00:07:21   Ernest rather third rather rather heard yet another president brag Florrie Florrie I don't know Florrie penicillin [TS]

00:07:29   again I'm going by faith because he hasn't had lead connection that's where I'm from. [TS]

00:07:33   But Florrie was involved with penicillin research. Me You're thinking of Fleming. [TS]

00:07:40   Yeah thinking of climbing the amp correctly but because I'm from Adelaide we pick up Florrie [TS]

00:07:46   and the past also on a Strat in money. I'm very biased. [TS]

00:07:52   Well when you're young men like you want money and you can't have it and your parents like in their wallet [TS]

00:07:58   and purses have like. [TS]

00:08:00   Notice which you dream of having like a fifty dollar note right even a five dollar night right the people on those [TS]

00:08:05   notes the pictures of them become these iconic people on shows the president's on your American money they like. [TS]

00:08:12   So now when I walk around the Royal Society [TS]

00:08:14   and I see these portraits of these people's faces I'm not that's the guy that was above fifty dollars. [TS]

00:08:21   Oh how I would have killed for fifty dollars back in the day. [TS]

00:08:24   Anyway so the Flamingo never a presidents of No no I don't I cannot believe Fleming was right flurry was one of them [TS]

00:08:31   think of the glory floor involved in penicillin and the president of the Royal Society and Australian connections. [TS]

00:08:38   Yeah like a hatrick I think I don't know if he won the Nobel Prize for its reference by the way it was just one point [TS]

00:08:44   that I was preparing for that site having to say having gotten you all excited [TS]

00:08:48   and talked about these past presidents [TS]

00:08:50   and we're sitting in the the presidential office now comes the slightly disappointing [TS]

00:08:54   but those presidents did not sit in this office they sat in the previous offices in previous buildings because the role [TS]

00:09:04   society has not been in the building where in all that land where in a building called Carlton Terrace house I believe [TS]

00:09:12   a cult has yet to Carlton Terrace house I think I think it's one of these things [TS]

00:09:17   and there are these houses everything is OK the house the grand old building. [TS]

00:09:20   Again I have a little bit of information you prepared to give information [TS]

00:09:25   when we were in the fellow's room before having a having a cup of tea before we started I noticed you ordered a very [TS]

00:09:33   specific type of tea. What did you order. I ordered all gravy. [TS]

00:09:37   Well great Do you know this building used to be the House of grass. [TS]

00:09:42   Do the really great grey a grey even more famous than your former prime minister of this country. [TS]

00:09:51   He used to live in this building really with Lady Gray. She also had a tea. Really I didn't. [TS]

00:09:57   What's Nasir out of a grenade. I've actually never had lead to great teachers know that it exists. [TS]

00:10:02   I've never had I've never had any myself form a former home of oh great a number of prime ministers have lived in this [TS]

00:10:09   building in the days of yore. [TS]

00:10:12   It was built on some gardens that used to be owned by someone called Prince Rupert Prince Rupert of Prince Rupert strop [TS]

00:10:20   fame which is a mame a science experiment which you made even more famous by allowing Testim to perform in your hand an [TS]

00:10:28   exploding piece of glass in your hand. [TS]

00:10:30   Yes yes that was that the random act of intelligent show in Alabama much against my better judgment I did convince [TS]

00:10:37   destine to allow me to do his famous this glass disc explodes into a million pieces experiment with my hand wrapped [TS]

00:10:44   around it. Can we talk about that last time I cannot believe you let him do that. Did you know he was going to do that. [TS]

00:10:51   We discussed it beforehand. [TS]

00:10:53   I believe it because I could use some sort of safety conscious and I always think of you as quiet not a risk taker [TS]

00:11:00   and then when I went and sat on the next flight this piece of glass cannot do it in your hands if you bigger [TS]

00:11:05   and you got up and said Yes I was almost fell out of my chair. [TS]

00:11:08   Let's put this way if you had asked me I would probably have said no [TS]

00:11:15   but I destine if Justin asked me to walk across like a pit of fire recalls I would I would trust destine enough that I [TS]

00:11:27   would I would put my safety in his hands. I don't know what to say to that. [TS]

00:11:32   I don't understand Italian [TS]

00:11:34   but I feel like destiny destiny knows he's only going to be able to ask me for so many favors. Maybe. [TS]

00:11:40   So basically if I want to get you to come on the trip to Everest I was going get destine to ask Destin asking would [TS]

00:11:47   make it more likely [TS]

00:11:49   but the reason that I'm willing to go along with destines requests is I feel very confident that he knew that was [TS]

00:11:55   actually a safe thing to do. If you see what I mean I don't know if destiny. [TS]

00:12:00   Vouch for the safety of an actual trip to Everest. Do you think I'm not a safe person like I would put you in danger. [TS]

00:12:06   I don't think you'd intentionally put me in danger. [TS]

00:12:08   Brady You can but I think I'd be reckless I was such a strong word [TS]

00:12:15   but I think the call of adventure is louder in your mind than it is in my mind [TS]

00:12:19   and you might be more willing to overlook some things like the sound of that. [TS]

00:12:24   I like the scope of interest yes that's the way it ties in with my whole heart of an image that I'm trying to work with [TS]

00:12:31   great success. [TS]

00:12:32   Everyone seems to associate that saying With me now which is quite ridiculous because I'm bit of a lightweight anyway [TS]

00:12:38   so here we have another one final interesting piece of trivia. [TS]

00:12:42   This used to be the German embassy but before the wars [TS]

00:12:47   and it was really interesting before World War One I believe this was the German embassy. [TS]

00:12:52   This part of the building we're in here and obviously [TS]

00:12:55   when the walk it off the Germans were quite rightly actually asked to leave so the building was sort of left empty [TS]

00:13:04   and it was still considered German territory. [TS]

00:13:06   During World War One and the British are so polite and it was so respectful that I actually didn't do anything [TS]

00:13:13   and apparently when the Germans came back after the war and came back into the building all their pipes [TS]

00:13:18   and cigarettes and ashtrays [TS]

00:13:19   and everything exactly as they left the building was completely untouched through the war which was really interesting. [TS]

00:13:27   World War two when work just before World War two started it sort of became the Nazi embassy [TS]

00:13:33   and so obviously that's not so good and that they were after in World War two [TS]

00:13:38   and they can come back to this building after World War two And that was appropriated [TS]

00:13:43   and it's now government owned building anyway. Interesting fact. [TS]

00:13:47   Former German Embassy former Nazi embassy now home of the sting wisht Royal Society [TS]

00:13:53   and one other little interesting piece of trivia about it is there is actually the former German ambassador had a much [TS]

00:13:59   loved. [TS]

00:14:00   So cold gyro abilities which died and its gravestone is still here and you can actually go outside later on [TS]

00:14:08   and see the gravestone of the South German dog. Oh yeah you'll have to show me. [TS]

00:14:12   OK Because you know I know you like dogs. [TS]

00:14:14   I dunno if you buy dead dogs but didn't Gyra have a Facebook page and the slow motion videos. [TS]

00:14:22   I doubt if it was my dog I don't think I don't think the German investor was so big on social media anyway. [TS]

00:14:29   Well over the last four exhausting that trip here is and it's exhausting being in front of you. [TS]

00:14:35   I'm going to live very strict and some have been huge site so I realize you're axed [TS]

00:14:43   and now I know you are a great lover of London. You often just walk the streets aimlessly. [TS]

00:14:53   Try thinking of new ways to get things done. [TS]

00:14:57   Is this a part of London that you do much wondering like we are we in familiar territory here around this part of [TS]

00:15:03   London. Yes I would say I would say not the most familiar area but more familiar than most. [TS]

00:15:12   OK So rank your most familiar areas like in your in your peak wondering times what would you rank as the more familiar [TS]

00:15:20   areas were the area that I'm most familiar with that starts at Trafalgar Square [TS]

00:15:24   and heads over towards London Bridge station. [TS]

00:15:29   That little stretch I'm extremely familiar with but I would say the second most area is kind of Trafalgar Square [TS]

00:15:36   and then working backwards through Green Park which is what we're against right now. [TS]

00:15:40   And then up into Hyde Park as well so that's an area that I'm really familiar with like a little maybe second if I have [TS]

00:15:46   to rank it would suck up. [TS]

00:15:48   So and I know that you used to take photos of parts of London in another life like a bit of an obsession of yours. [TS]

00:15:56   Did you have a photograph this building or anything around here of course. I'm so building it's going to make a P.D.F. [TS]

00:16:01   Page doesn't work. [TS]

00:16:03   So with this but you didn't you never snapped this one in your [TS]

00:16:06   and your days I don't think that I did because this is slightly It's slightly off the main road. [TS]

00:16:14   Yeah it's just a little bit back. [TS]

00:16:17   I'm not sure that I ever did but I have to I have to go back through my Flickr photos back [TS]

00:16:22   when I had time to actually have hobbies [TS]

00:16:23   and things that serve the serve no purpose really were no longer out of three pictures I have spent time it's part of [TS]

00:16:30   the you have to make it I think that probably Fed didn't quite a lot to what you because you know you sort of see that [TS]

00:16:36   obsession with London and places and I think I think you should feel bad about that era. [TS]

00:16:42   No I know I don't feel bad about it or think it's funny as I probably wouldn't. [TS]

00:16:46   I always toyed with the notion of getting back into photography [TS]

00:16:48   but I don't think it's ever is not a real possibility but you should have to look back to my old photographs [TS]

00:16:54   and see if I ever did take a picture of this place. OK now maybe we should come on to the point of today right. [TS]

00:17:02   The reason we're here the reason we're here as I said the reason we're in the presence of US has nothing to do with the [TS]

00:17:07   president say it just because it was one of the quieter things in the building and he happens to be out today. [TS]

00:17:11   Right but you know I have bit of an obsession with old objects. Indeed you do and a lot of science. [TS]

00:17:19   So what's happened is with a bit of help from my friends here particularly a gentleman named Keith Moore who I may [TS]

00:17:26   mention again because Casey is the head librarian here [TS]

00:17:28   and he's a fountain of knowledge so I found his knowledge I should say people tell me of a fountain knowledge he's [TS]

00:17:34   found knowledge very helpful. He has he has conspired with me to dig it out some items of interest from the archives. [TS]

00:17:43   There's an incredible archive society and I have dug out a number of items which I want to show to you. [TS]

00:17:52   I saw Shante All right I don't know how you can feel about this because you famously are not a big fan of. [TS]

00:18:00   Objects and stuff but you look at the history interpret this you know I always felt this claim [TS]

00:18:11   or I don't necessarily want object in my house. I am happy that objects exist in the world. [TS]

00:18:17   I am very happy that a place like this exist [TS]

00:18:19   and that it archives all of the history of science that it has all of these things I really love that these places [TS]

00:18:25   exist. I'm not hearing what would you say. All I'm thinking is this guy had two objects. [TS]

00:18:31   I know that's all you have here. [TS]

00:18:33   Might as well be was apparent that Charlie Brown right now every time I try to explain it was just what you do if [TS]

00:18:39   you're not going to do that you think. So one by one I am going to reveal objects to me. [TS]

00:18:46   OK now we're recording podcast podcasts do not lend themselves very well to visuals. [TS]

00:18:56   I feel that we have a history though of doing subject that I do you know form of that we tried it with. [TS]

00:19:05   So for those of you listening we would do our best to really vividly describe what we're looking at with incredible [TS]

00:19:12   mastery of words that we have exhibited over the over the last year or so we are trying something else. [TS]

00:19:20   Hopefully this will have worked. [TS]

00:19:21   But what's going to happen is you can look at pictures of these items as well through the show tonight [TS]

00:19:26   but possibly And if you want to hearing me say this we didn't do it but if you are hearing me say this we did do it. [TS]

00:19:34   We are running a video camera on the table and we're going to put the items on the table and try [TS]

00:19:41   and sync up the video somehow with the podcast so you can look at these things as we look at them. [TS]

00:19:49   So I don't want to make people who go to a You Tube channel they'll be links and stuff [TS]

00:19:53   and you can figure it out you're bright people you could figure that so it goes. So if you are hearing me. [TS]

00:20:00   I like the way you think there are people who could figure out [TS]

00:20:02   when we clearly haven't because well all right we're not quite so bright but you can go to the You Tube channel [TS]

00:20:09   and kind of for once we're going to put this pod cast up on You Tube At the same time as the pod cast goes on i Tunes [TS]

00:20:16   We don't normally do. [TS]

00:20:17   Normally it's a month or two behind but you can you can watch this pod cast now and look at these items with us [TS]

00:20:24   but you don't need to if you're on a plane. [TS]

00:20:28   Tam you can do not need to say these items we are going to describe them right [TS]

00:20:36   or if you're performing surgery right now it's you don't need the nurse to bring in a monitor can keep one eye on the [TS]

00:20:42   video Exactly. Example would be an audio first experience. [TS]

00:20:47   We're going to going to paint a picture right and our words are worth a thousand pictures. [TS]

00:20:53   Yes So let's do this right I have some items I haven't actually planned order I'm going to show you them later [TS]

00:21:00   and so I was going to make it up in my head now. I'm going to start with a bang. [TS]

00:21:05   OK I know you've got to sort of save the best for last. But you're not going to do it. [TS]

00:21:09   Well I've got what I'm most looking forward to showing you [TS]

00:21:13   and I will save that for last cooking because I'm really excited about this one. [TS]

00:21:16   OK but I'm going to start with a bang as well and a real showstopper. [TS]

00:21:20   I'm also starting with bit of a bank because Greg you have been to the Royal Society before with me [TS]

00:21:27   and not spit on the pockets while there. [TS]

00:21:28   Yes Yes And we talked about this we talked about this we went down into the archives. [TS]

00:21:33   You normally a pretty located you not I who likes being photographed from my experience and [TS]

00:21:41   when you saw this item you insisted on getting to touch it [TS]

00:21:46   and you asked me to take a photograph of you holding this item. [TS]

00:21:50   So this is clearly an item that means something and we've got it now so all of us are going to go and get it [TS]

00:21:56   and I'm going to put it on the table and I'm going to reset the camera so the pain. [TS]

00:22:00   What can can say it and then we'll talk about this item. So let me go and get it. [TS]

00:22:03   Brady's walking away making exaggerated comical walking gestures. [TS]

00:22:08   That's a Brady doing in the meantime though I'm very thirsty. I'm going to grab a quick drink of water. [TS]

00:22:15   But the protest here is that if you have valuable items you don't keep water in any place they could ever spill on them [TS]

00:22:21   so we have water physically separated from all of the objects where we have today. I'm going to get my water. [TS]

00:22:28   I have placed this item in front of you. Yes. Tell everyone what you say. [TS]

00:22:32   Talk us through what the colors want to own what it looks like trying to picture with your famous therapy voice. [TS]

00:22:39   No No pressure here. First you have an excellent book stand here. [TS]

00:22:46   I remember when we walked in the room we were more impressed by those books than were in a room full of the painting [TS]

00:22:50   and I remember we evolved in human life that bookstand you never know what catches the eye [TS]

00:22:59   but yet we have a bookstand which is one of those kind of fancy ones where you can have a book open to two pages at [TS]

00:23:06   once the kind of thing that's in a museum where the book is tilted forward so that onlookers can gaze upon the [TS]

00:23:12   magnificence of the book. And on this book stand we have a very old looking hand book. [TS]

00:23:20   If you breeze touching it right now you're allowed to touch it where that touch it and we had [TS]

00:23:24   and we've been instructed to touch it without gloves. Yes this is deliberate. [TS]

00:23:30   So anyone who thinks we should there's an automated one for which we will wear gloves. [TS]

00:23:33   No yet but for this item we're told no gloves is better because we're going to leaf through the pages and if you try [TS]

00:23:39   and leaf through pages wearing gloves that increases the likelihood that you do something clumsy [TS]

00:23:44   and rip the page to the archivists prefer not to wear gloves when dealing with an out of not this. [TS]

00:23:50   So you are free to touch it [TS]

00:23:52   but continue describing it so looking on the side it is the manuscript of Newton's Principia Mathematica. [TS]

00:24:00   This is like the book of physics in my mind. This is like this is the Bible. [TS]

00:24:04   Yeah I think that is not a not a bad way to describe it because this this book is the place where it least in my mind. [TS]

00:24:14   I've never actually read the book I have to do a confession here. [TS]

00:24:18   We're not going to find the print appears homework and I think this is you getting things done. [TS]

00:24:24   Actually not very interesting to read directly where waiting for the audiobook. [TS]

00:24:31   I hope they can get the author so the print kit is the place where I would describe it as physics kind of became like a [TS]

00:24:42   real grown up science because it's the place where instead of just describing like we are now with words the physical [TS]

00:24:51   world. Oh well you know let's let's describe all of these things. [TS]

00:24:55   Oh you know if we roll a boulder down the hills a boulder gets faster as it goes [TS]

00:25:00   and this is the kind of state of science before this which is good is better than nothing. [TS]

00:25:05   But the is the place where Isaac Newton brought the power of mathematics to bear upon lots of problems with motion in [TS]

00:25:16   particular in the physical world and it is where the calculus was. [TS]

00:25:22   I mean someone else co-invented it at the same time this is this is the way ideas work. [TS]

00:25:26   But I think Newton also independently came up with calculus and applied it to the science of how objects move. [TS]

00:25:34   If you learn physics today the subject of kinematics is where you tend to start that's where real physics begins you [TS]

00:25:41   learn the all the physics students out there will know very well memorizing the kinematic equations the five of them [TS]

00:25:46   and having to isolate one of the variables all of that kind of stuff falls out of the printer. [TS]

00:25:53   And that that is where physics really starts in my mind. And Dave you have summed it up beautifully. [TS]

00:26:00   This is no ordinary print get together. Let me tell you about this one. So this is the manuscript. So it's handwritten. [TS]

00:26:07   Isaac Newton's manuscript handwritten this kind of like the final draft before it was printed. [TS]

00:26:13   This is the one that was sent to the printers [TS]

00:26:17   and the composite is for them to then make sort of a type set up proper printed copy. [TS]

00:26:23   I'm going to open a weapon up a few pages here you know. [TS]

00:26:27   So as you can say all these pages we're looking at a handwritten. [TS]

00:26:33   Now these one hand written by Isaac Newton himself because apparently Isaac Newton had pretty shoddy handwriting [TS]

00:26:39   and he had an assistant code Humphrey Newton it's ambiguous as to whether or not he's a relation [TS]

00:26:45   and that no one seems to really be sure as far as I can tell. [TS]

00:26:48   But Humphrey Newton wrote this for Sir Isaac Newton who has and he has much better handwriting than Sir Isaac [TS]

00:26:56   but apparently Isaac Newton was always a bit pissed off about continuing because apparently he didn't know much about [TS]

00:27:02   physics and mathematics so I had no idea what he was writing about and I imagine that would limit so index right. [TS]

00:27:08   So we're looking here at this final copy. [TS]

00:27:10   But the thing that's really special about this is because this is what the final draft you see along the way here in [TS]

00:27:17   the margins hand written knows things that are underlined. [TS]

00:27:22   Occasionally you see things that have been crossed out little little notes here and there. [TS]

00:27:27   You also see some prints in key thumb prints are probably from the composers who are working in the printing press [TS]

00:27:33   putting it together you still write you still see all these messy thumbprints everywhere but the handwritten notes [TS]

00:27:39   and the corrections by the hand of two people one of them is so Edmund Halley of Halley's Comet fame who was the man [TS]

00:27:49   who was really instrumental in convincing Isaac Newton that man you need to get this thing published [TS]

00:27:55   and it was a good friend of Newton. So how he's made a few little comments and corrections. [TS]

00:28:00   But the other the other notes. I buy it. [TS]

00:28:03   So Isaac Newton himself say Sir Isaac Newton himself has written notes all over to stop to look at some spilled in life [TS]

00:28:13   a lot of on the pages and this is like it's so it's so old [TS]

00:28:17   and musty it seems so alive to me in many ways you know like oh of course I mean this is is it is interesting to have [TS]

00:28:30   to be close to an object that and historical person has handled and [TS]

00:28:38   and for me turn a few pages you should have written that is for me I have this particular feeling about history that it [TS]

00:28:47   is I got I'm not always so interested in like the kings and the queens [TS]

00:28:52   and the particular great fingerprints everywhere from from the the printer you get the feeling of like this guy in a [TS]

00:29:00   workshop somewhere you know with like an apron like constantly rubbing his hands on his apron God We gotta change this [TS]

00:29:06   and change that what is this. Yeah understand where it is ravaged. [TS]

00:29:11   It's like getting things done for me I think people like Isaac Newton [TS]

00:29:18   and other scientists are the truly important figures in history because they are the ones who advanced civilization [TS]

00:29:29   forward without the progress of science. [TS]

00:29:33   You would just always have different kings battling over territory in the mud forever using rocks and sticks [TS]

00:29:41   or whatever right. [TS]

00:29:42   But but when you have when you have things like calculus [TS]

00:29:45   when you have advancements made that's how things get better that's how things improve [TS]

00:29:51   and so I look at a lot of what people tend to focus on as History of like minor details that fall out of scientific [TS]

00:29:59   and tackled. [TS]

00:30:00   Pickle progress so that's why this to me is like is an amazing document to actually be able to touch with my hands like [TS]

00:30:08   I'm doing right now because Isaac Newton touched it at one point so that does that look at this as it's been crossed [TS]

00:30:13   out in the words re written and things like that all the way through from the ME for one thing in particular [TS]

00:30:18   but I don't mean a fundamental it's a big book. [TS]

00:30:21   It is it is quite volume one of three thing I don't quite understand though I do understand because you just said so [TS]

00:30:28   but but Principia exists you can go online and read [TS]

00:30:31   and the polished final version with all the corrections without the mistakes and without the thumb print exists [TS]

00:30:37   and for years I would've thought maybe that's all that matters as long as the knowledge is transferred down the [TS]

00:30:41   generations and we know what he wrote and what he said [TS]

00:30:44   and how it's been built on why the thumb prints in the in the McInnes appeals to me is not a side of your personality I [TS]

00:30:51   hear you talk about much that kind of that kind of behind the scenes away that it was made a sort of I always think of [TS]

00:30:59   you more as a more as you know come back and show me [TS]

00:31:02   when you finish it because I don't I don't know I don't want to see how you can I don't see how you made the sausage I [TS]

00:31:07   just want to eat the sausage. [TS]

00:31:09   Well I mean civilization depends on the knowledge being transferred [TS]

00:31:14   and if I had to pick two we get to keep the original book or have the knowledge be transferred. [TS]

00:31:19   This is an extraordinary page look at this so all the right hand facing pages have sort of the manuscript on it with [TS]

00:31:26   little notes next to it but occasionally on these left hand pages that have been left blank. [TS]

00:31:31   You sometimes see like a bit of working after a night [TS]

00:31:33   and we can turn to one page which is just got a whole bunch of equations on a little sums that are being done on actual [TS]

00:31:40   actual mathematics by these people I mean this looks like the Kitimat equations [TS]

00:31:45   or some some early variant of them like this is this is this looks like the gravitational force calculation this is an [TS]

00:31:51   interesting thing very interesting to think it's pretty exciting. It's pretty exciting to me. [TS]

00:31:55   It's all that the ink is flaking off almost and some of these some of these a dish. [TS]

00:32:00   Ins that have been made it's such an honor to be allowed to look at this and be left open with this is one time [TS]

00:32:06   and they are perfect. [TS]

00:32:08   So I'm going to turn the book around here so it so that those who are looking at the camera can see it this is the [TS]

00:32:13   handwriting of Isaac Newton because Casey was very familiar with Newton's handwriting [TS]

00:32:18   and basically he's written James the second by the grace of God to king of so he's writing some sort of Croly Brown [TS]

00:32:25   nosey about there about the king that obvious right and he's like he's drafting what he wants to write when he wants [TS]

00:32:31   and he's just stopped midway through like he stopped writing in the let's let's hand writing you know making another [TS]

00:32:36   note on the on the side they're writing about the king you know that's a good politicking [TS]

00:32:41   and brownnosing done a ton of it exactly exactly. So there we go. [TS]

00:32:46   We could look at this I mean I could look at this all day. [TS]

00:32:49   We weren't read any of it take it up believe it's probably written in Latin. I haven't even looked. [TS]

00:32:53   Yeah I can't read any of that I was trying to see I mean there's a few things that pop out like I can see the words [TS]

00:32:58   angular momentum even if we could read it it could be very hard to understand or follow these old documents even [TS]

00:33:06   when they are written in English. Henry and I'm rubbish at reading them. I really am. [TS]

00:33:12   Anyway that was it because again because of certain kinds of people the language changes over time [TS]

00:33:17   and also it's more the handwriting. [TS]

00:33:19   Like once I sort of see through the handwriting this isn't a good example because in Latin [TS]

00:33:24   but once I see through the handwriting of these old documents here they're all sorry I thought the language quiet I [TS]

00:33:30   think I can understand the language. [TS]

00:33:32   I just can't see through the hand and I think I think I'm better at reading handwriting anyway [TS]

00:33:36   but I would never write in person rescript know if you know I you know write all capital letters. [TS]

00:33:42   My natural hair I think you know that however the capital letters. Just all the time. [TS]

00:33:50   Yes Do you know how to write lowercase letters did you ever learn. [TS]

00:33:53   Yes but I stopped when I was in about year five SCO and if you see my writing in like normal. [TS]

00:34:00   Normal not capitalize letters it looks like a year five student writing like my handwriting is frozen in time. [TS]

00:34:06   So if I try to write [TS]

00:34:07   or just normal rushing it looks like a little kid where's my at out writing my whole capitals is is unusual [TS]

00:34:14   but it looks like an adult writer. It's all caps do you hold the pen just with the fist on the claw right. [TS]

00:34:24   Anyway there we go. Thank you. Have I started well I started with a bang. [TS]

00:34:29   It's quite an object to start with the thing though I always think about with this kind of amazing [TS]

00:34:36   when you deal in the world of physics and mathematics is just how how long lasting it is [TS]

00:34:43   and so it is in this calculus in these equations that were used in no small part to put a man on the moon. [TS]

00:34:51   Right which now connects to your favorite passion. [TS]

00:34:54   And I always find that remarkable that you think oh someone did did work a couple hundred years ago and it's true [TS]

00:35:04   and it is a useful and you can use it a couple hundred years later to accomplish something. It's just very impressive. [TS]

00:35:12   That's what I want to write. [TS]

00:35:14   All right we've managed to look at it without ripping it or breaking it as we haven't broken anything yet. [TS]

00:35:18   That is a good start. I'm going to take this away. [TS]

00:35:20   I'm going to walk across the room put the spec in a safe place [TS]

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00:35:32   They have seemingly endless collections of important historical documents and paintings and tools and letters. [TS]

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00:38:40   Do it right now what is it to bring over a whole platter. [TS]

00:38:46   My very first thought was which of embarrassing is oh it looks just like the maps in The Lord Of The Rings as I say the [TS]

00:38:53   map is a secondary banking when I was talking with case I want to find things that I thought what a pity. [TS]

00:38:58   So I had him on the case of flags. [TS]

00:39:02   Now we didn't have as much luck as I hoped with flags [TS]

00:39:04   but we have got a flag here this is actually a flag that's been featured on objectivity which is a channel [TS]

00:39:10   but which is a channel I do all about objects you know side effects some people may be familiar with this. [TS]

00:39:15   Not that many unfortunately but some people say this this is a flag here we go. [TS]

00:39:19   I'm going to unveil what toys [TS]

00:39:22   and as you can say you've been through some challenges the day like there's not a whole lot of it left. [TS]

00:39:29   This is a flag that will be familiar to you know the union jack. [TS]

00:39:34   It is the union jack your sign the Union Jack you're just inviting controversy. [TS]

00:39:39   I am not the Union it's the union jack or the union flag or whatever you want to call it [TS]

00:39:44   but it has really been ripped to shreds. [TS]

00:39:47   It's a Union Jack right there on the on the label itself it's going to say I'm trying to think that you can read the [TS]

00:39:53   tax everyone practices tag says Union Jack Sloan on Tower at Penguin leap. [TS]

00:40:00   A raised by advance party in one nine hundred fifty six taken down third September one nine hundred fifty seven Look at [TS]

00:40:07   that with a flag [TS]

00:40:08   and penguins in the one thing that there's a hell of Internet perfect stone so as great as told you this was a Union [TS]

00:40:16   Jack that was flying in Antarctica. OK Halle Berry is in Antarctica. [TS]

00:40:21   It is the Royal Society sent a science expedition down this flag flew above the base there for well we say there was [TS]

00:40:29   that we don't know exactly about a year year [TS]

00:40:31   and a half a year so this gray gives you an idea what happens to a flag exactly a year flapping in the Antarctic wind [TS]

00:40:41   and it looks like a well my Atlantic nights well stitched and it's like it's a real it's a good flag [TS]

00:40:46   but it has really just it's just been taken to town by the wind though as it happens the flags the if you're looking at [TS]

00:40:53   the flag the mast side of you can forget all my property. [TS]

00:40:57   Flags terminology here but the side that would be against the mast is mostly OK [TS]

00:41:01   but then as you go toward the side that flaps in the wind it's just gotten torn to shreds and the weight is but the [TS]

00:41:09   and believe is now off the top my heads I may be wrong [TS]

00:41:12   but I believe that that that snapping sound from Flags is partly a result of that under the right circumstances it's [TS]

00:41:18   actually breaking the speed of sound that it's cracking in the air like a whip. [TS]

00:41:22   Yeah and that's why it gets so frayed at the end is that you don't know you know is flag is just up [TS]

00:41:27   and just up there in the wind but it's actually under a lot of stress and strain at the very edge. [TS]

00:41:32   So that's why five minute looking looking pretty rough and I imagine Antarctica has some pretty strong winds. [TS]

00:41:37   So there's a flag and you mentioned this Lord Of The Rings map underneath. [TS]

00:41:41   So I'm going to move this tatty old but special flag away. [TS]

00:41:46   And basically this is just showing me where this expedition took place [TS]

00:41:51   and where the flag flow as Grey said this map looks just like a lot of the things about it is the writing on it could [TS]

00:41:57   not be more Lord Of The Rings and a nice little. On the map is someone's drawn like a little while in the sea. [TS]

00:42:05   It's like water coming out of its blow hole [TS]

00:42:08   and I've written next to it while blowing October thirty one nineteen fifty six so there was a sort of glowing [TS]

00:42:15   when they decided that was worthy of going on the map although I don't imagine that's a particularly permanent fixture [TS]

00:42:21   now [TS]

00:42:21   but you have all of the space which is just going to be the water so you might as well fill it with things that you see [TS]

00:42:26   and I do like that they have done an adorable little like a child would draw the water coming out of the top of the [TS]

00:42:31   well kind of going up in a straight line and then going over the sides [TS]

00:42:34   but there are a few other touches on the map that do give it that Lord Of The Rings feel like there's talking about [TS]

00:42:39   distant cliffs writings like that say well I'll take some extra pictures of this map [TS]

00:42:44   and put it in the show tonight so people can really absorb it the way we're absorbing it as a big one you know the [TS]

00:42:50   whole portfolio. It looks like you're carrying over for a book and mean it's as big as your torso and book is huge. [TS]

00:42:59   It's it's only just in the same table. [TS]

00:43:02   So [TS]

00:43:03   when I was preparing for today I really wanted to make it more about you than me so I was I was sort of saying to case [TS]

00:43:11   that fun things will be of interest to grow and I was thinking of you know your Piccolo's interests [TS]

00:43:16   and he walked past this book [TS]

00:43:18   and I had a name on the side which said Matthew Flinders which is a name that will mean nothing to you means nothing [TS]

00:43:24   but for a stray and then particularly the straight line here we go. [TS]

00:43:27   Here's the thing for a South Australian It is a big deal. [TS]

00:43:30   Almost everything in Australia [TS]

00:43:31   and particularly South astride was named after Flinders because he was an explorer who discovered a lot of that part of [TS]

00:43:37   this trial or you know did a lot of the early me he discovered it in the in the white man's sense of the word and [TS]

00:43:44   and I can even get into debates about who found what first but Flinders did a lot of the mapping of the strata. [TS]

00:43:50   So I said kind of a quick look at that book just for personal interest. Massive book case got it out. [TS]

00:43:55   He opened up to a particular page and by luck he opened up to the page that I've opened up. [TS]

00:44:00   So here and I looked it up and I've never I cannot tell you the emotions this made me feel this. [TS]

00:44:07   This sent chills down my spine and I have the excitement I felt was something quite extraordinary [TS]

00:44:16   and I still still feel it now to look at this. [TS]

00:44:19   Now again this way mean a tremendous amount to you looking at this [TS]

00:44:23   and I came to where the water so the water is through the water is your side has the land at the bottom of a strike. [TS]

00:44:31   OK this is South Australia where I'm from right [TS]

00:44:35   and here where my finger is is where Adelaide of the city I'm from is now located. [TS]

00:44:42   But this is the first time anyone has ever gone there whole parts of the coast for example this is a famous island here [TS]

00:44:49   called Kangaroo Island this island hasn't even been fully mapped it's like there's a map sort of got pieces missing [TS]

00:44:56   where they ashame mandible Bay This is like my home been discovered for the first time and nothing nothing's there [TS]

00:45:04   and he's come and he sailed along these waters in this land [TS]

00:45:07   and he says he's writing down what he's saying for the first time on this peninsula here where there is now the huge [TS]

00:45:13   city of Adelaide. [TS]

00:45:15   There's just nothing there's nothing there and he's sailing along [TS]

00:45:18   and he's writing notes about the things that he's saying like oh I saw a fire here obviously you know some of the [TS]

00:45:25   natives we have originates were lighting fires because this is a guy on a plane whether the kind of people Aboriginal [TS]

00:45:30   people live and you know I'm seeing smoke so much smoke here [TS]

00:45:35   and most exciting ago overlooking the city of Adelaide is a you could call it a mountain maybe this is a very large [TS]

00:45:43   over the mountains called Mount Lofty on top of a step on top of the television towers broadcast into Adelaide [TS]

00:45:50   and you go up there's a restaurant up there it's a scenic place to go. [TS]

00:45:53   I cannot conduct five I'd like and here he's seen it for the first time and given the name Mt Lofty like. [TS]

00:46:00   On his on his first match I was told was told not to call them out lefty. [TS]

00:46:04   So here like this is like this is the discovery of my home. [TS]

00:46:09   I cannot tell you how much it excites me to look at this [TS]

00:46:11   and then I did say this has to be on the podcast America is going to have is going to have nothing to say about it. [TS]

00:46:17   Well but it just it actually makes me really much you know it's amazing. [TS]

00:46:22   Tell me why does it make you really emotional comics but I I'm looking at you right now [TS]

00:46:26   and I can I can tell that you are genuinely emotional. [TS]

00:46:29   A comics plane I mean a stranger hasn't even on the metrics as terrorists trial is a strike isn't even named yet it's [TS]

00:46:37   still just the southern land. [TS]

00:46:38   This map has become like the back of my hand like if there's any map I know it's South Australia my home state [TS]

00:46:44   and the cities in the towns and all these familiar things [TS]

00:46:47   and here it is still being half drawn for the first time like it's not even I don't even know what today it looks like [TS]

00:46:54   the main thing to me I wish you were mad like right now because someone else from Adelaide we would just be here like [TS]

00:47:01   salivating all over this and getting thinking you know Maisie is well [TS]

00:47:04   and that's why I wish this is where I always wish I was a better interviewer because I was loved I would love to be [TS]

00:47:09   able to have you articulate why you feel this way. [TS]

00:47:12   I can't you asked there's nothing wrong with us you know you said you are the perfect Western What do you feel why do [TS]

00:47:17   you feel that there is just no words for I don't know it's like I'm trying to think of the nearest thing to is [TS]

00:47:23   occasionally when I see like a photo of my wife when she was like a little baby a little girl [TS]

00:47:27   and I would say that I was a little like oh well you know you existed you know like you have the whole you had this [TS]

00:47:34   whole thing like you would you want just a little you once a baby and rather this important part of my life [TS]

00:47:40   and I never knew he was a baby [TS]

00:47:41   and this is kind of this is like seeing where I'm from as a baby this is seeing where I'm from you know in the womb [TS]

00:47:48   almost like wow it's not even an even match it there's nothing there. [TS]

00:47:51   This part of the map on the peninsula here between the mountain range. [TS]

00:47:55   Sorry pop concerts and there's like a mountain range and there's a thin plain of land and then. [TS]

00:48:00   As the city all the beaches of Adelaide. [TS]

00:48:02   This is just a huge city now and and here Matthew Flinders is sailing up into the Gulf of St Vincent [TS]

00:48:09   and there's nothing there's nothing there. [TS]

00:48:11   He's like oh there's a mountain and this trees [TS]

00:48:13   and although I think I see some smoke over there from not probably the natives launching a fire [TS]

00:48:19   and that's all there is and now it's my home. [TS]

00:48:21   But one day this will be home to the mighty Blackstone is the muddy black stone which is a bell there with my fingers [TS]

00:48:29   and you can see the kind of but I don't know what to call it in our language [TS]

00:48:33   but the kind of etching almost of the very fine lines that are making of all the details of the mountains [TS]

00:48:40   and the amount of human labor and effort that used to have to go into producing things like this. [TS]

00:48:49   I think modern people can't can't understand that that amount of time and effort and that's why you know [TS]

00:48:58   and in movies that have the medieval settings people are always really careless with the old maps right I was like that [TS]

00:49:04   in the modifier right [TS]

00:49:05   or just slamming a knife through the middle that was like you know if you like your team of Monk because to produce [TS]

00:49:10   that map with so many man hours ago we don't just have a stack of them he has out of the troops because sometimes [TS]

00:49:16   you'll see that in a movie [TS]

00:49:17   or like a Hanna now Master everybody has agreed to give you the riches of by twenty map you know why you've been while [TS]

00:49:26   you've been waging this war the riches divide twenty events. I tell you a good story about this passage of order here. [TS]

00:49:33   Oh boy this is called the Baxters packet the Baxter's passage which sounds kind of really really really good anyway. [TS]

00:49:43   The backstairs passages in the seventy's [TS]

00:49:46   and that's what they use in explaining never make the rude things happen let's give up what the seventy's. [TS]

00:49:54   So it's only where this waterway between the city of Adelaide and this island called can grow. [TS]

00:50:00   I'm just a tourist destination. [TS]

00:50:03   Many years back when I was when I was still working had led a Southern right whale died and sometimes [TS]

00:50:09   when a wild dies it floats to the surface [TS]

00:50:12   and there was this whale floating floating there in this passage that fairies used to get terrorists across to the [TS]

00:50:19   island. [TS]

00:50:21   So people didn't know about this because I got boats and you don't want to crash into a while [TS]

00:50:25   but the other thing that often happens [TS]

00:50:27   when you get these dead whales floating in the water is great white sharks which inhabit these waters. [TS]

00:50:33   Think this is brilliant is like an all you can eat buffet. [TS]

00:50:36   So what happens is you get ten fifteen great white sharks basically just camped there for a week [TS]

00:50:43   and they'll just sit there. [TS]

00:50:45   Norrin on this while I consoled Norrin on about only two great white sharks all around in a circle like spokes on a [TS]

00:50:51   whale. [TS]

00:50:52   So this bill has just attacked and chopping away everything in the juggling much pretty much like like leeches [TS]

00:50:57   or something and it's extraordinary [TS]

00:51:01   and it's not that common to happen in such a world populated area so it became a real tourist thing in tourist boats [TS]

00:51:07   were going out there to go and go and see the great white sharks not dead while that's disgusting [TS]

00:51:12   but ever to see a great white shark. So I think a dozen of them in one place. [TS]

00:51:16   So people started flying in from all around the world to come [TS]

00:51:20   and be taken out in boats into the Baxter's passage to go and watch the great white shark helicopters were going up. [TS]

00:51:26   But it started getting crazy [TS]

00:51:28   and one guy who was the craziest of all he became like known as a national idiot he was watching on a boat next to the [TS]

00:51:35   Y. O. [TS]

00:51:36   and He got a bit excited and stupid and he jumped off his boat on to the wild [TS]

00:51:41   and I stood on the wild which is like an upturn by itself standing on his big fleshy Wyo surrounded by great projects [TS]

00:51:47   national idiot. Now it gets better. He did it. Holding a young child like a baby he was holding a baby. [TS]

00:51:55   Jumped off his boat onto a wobbly floating while being eaten by sharks. [TS]

00:52:00   It's because he just said it was because it was filmed by everyone and photographed and he became a pariah. [TS]

00:52:04   But I always look for video footage and photos of A [TS]

00:52:07   but it was so long ago that you can't find on You Tube on the Internet so it's kind of burned in my memory if I [TS]

00:52:13   actually say I'll probably be really disappointed but it was such an extraordinary thing. [TS]

00:52:17   If anyone caught footage of a tweet right. No known going to police that they would get. [TS]

00:52:25   Let's put this map away this is a very special episode of hello internet is brought to you by igloo and internet. [TS]

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00:53:30   trying that. I certainly know when I worked at the various schools that I did all of their Internets. [TS]

00:53:35   Where were piles of dog mess is the best way to put it. [TS]

00:53:39   Just endless folders of Word documents with folders and Word documents [TS]

00:53:44   and no kind of structure no idea who's looked at what no idea who was in charge of what [TS]

00:53:49   or who was working on what had I known about a glue. I would have bagged bag the I.T. [TS]

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00:54:47   It's glove time Oakland time OK we're going to put on the gloves. [TS]

00:54:51   These are just objectively gloves these on the objectivity. [TS]

00:54:54   Are there special set in my camera bag that they are similar to them. [TS]

00:55:00   Now why do we have to wear gloves for this one because it's time for a porch corner. [TS]

00:55:04   Every We love talking watches you love your porch. [TS]

00:55:09   I love my spade master which I'm not wearing it [TS]

00:55:11   and I'm actually because I do want to tap on the table such over my back that I should take him out [TS]

00:55:16   or not I'm busy tapping on the table [TS]

00:55:18   and making all kinds of Philly noises the Brady keeps giving me silent hand gestures to stop [TS]

00:55:22   and ask Martin to tell you off. Yeah. [TS]

00:55:24   So it's time for a walk in front of us is a is a box I'm opening the box and I'm taking out a small golden now [TS]

00:55:36   and this today you can have a look at me with that is that is a solid item you look at. [TS]

00:55:43   Yeah what you think about pocket watches could not objects on the ice. [TS]

00:55:47   Yeah I was I'm just looking at it it's I was looking at the design of the watch face. [TS]

00:55:53   So the whole thing is very very gold and as the Roman numerals going around the edges for each of the hours. [TS]

00:56:00   That hands are gold is kind of gold the spiral pattern in the center of it [TS]

00:56:04   and round the edges there's lots of cool detailing. I do like it. [TS]

00:56:08   If I thought I was getting a pocket watch I want a little bit more contrast between the hands [TS]

00:56:13   and the background like I want I would want to higher contrast for glancing at it quickly. [TS]

00:56:18   Presumably what I'm trying to catch a train in the eight hundred [TS]

00:56:21   or something I don't know if that's what I'm using this watch for [TS]

00:56:24   but what would you think if I told you you were holding Isaac Newton's watch. [TS]

00:56:30   How would you be impressed I would be quite impressed. [TS]

00:56:33   There's a famous painting of you really I think I should say here that came out of the painting. [TS]

00:56:41   Isaac Newton pointing at a coat pocket watch on the table and talk of what it was donated to the Royal Society. [TS]

00:56:47   So as it means cockroach. Lovely. [TS]

00:56:50   Impressed I am I am very impressed and wondering is how accurate a pocket watch from that time would be. [TS]

00:57:00   Here's a better question how accurate is the claim that this is this is this is always the thing with historical [TS]

00:57:09   optimism investigate further. [TS]

00:57:10   OK Even special commission to take off one glove to handle the hand of optional Hunter we're going to open up the works. [TS]

00:57:17   Need a finger to keep a weaker open I've opened up [TS]

00:57:20   and up the sort of the glow of the cold case that it is in oh that's interesting. [TS]

00:57:24   The thing that I was thinking was the whole pocket watch has a case around the outside of it [TS]

00:57:30   and in inside of it is actually much smaller object that than the actual pocket watch [TS]

00:57:35   and have taken the smaller watch out and I'm turning around we have an engraving on the back. [TS]

00:57:41   Mrs Kesse conduit who was a relative in care of us at noon to sell Isaac Newton January fourth seven tane I wait so [TS]

00:57:54   this is the same in quite promising the engravings seems seems to indicate that you're doing. [TS]

00:58:00   You know that's a relative relative and close friend of Newton giving something to Newton on a date [TS]

00:58:06   when he was so switched to well I'm sure the a lot of it is a problem with this [TS]

00:58:12   and that is there is a whole muck from the watchmaker on here which will sort of gold [TS]

00:58:18   and jewelry has like the tradesmen market department stamp a whole market any Joyce any piece of silver [TS]

00:58:25   or gold you do have a whole month stamped into it and when you check the whole mark on this watch [TS]

00:58:31   and investigate other things like [TS]

00:58:32   when that face was manufactured which is legal in the know you can do it tell you that this watch was manufactured [TS]

00:58:39   after so I think you can died so pretty much this is a fake. [TS]

00:58:46   So it's a fake this is bogus if you think why are we being so careful with the gloves. [TS]

00:58:51   Well it's still really really really valuable. It's still it's still a gold watch from the seventeen hundreds. [TS]

00:59:00   Like people power money for them. [TS]

00:59:02   So let me put this up with not Isaac Newton's system in some ways in some ways the fact that it has gone all these [TS]

00:59:10   years purporting to be Isaac Newton's and is not is part of the fun of it as well sometimes. [TS]

00:59:15   Sometimes these hoax objects like the Hitler diaries [TS]

00:59:18   and things like that in them so was taken as a story in a personality of their own [TS]

00:59:23   and I feel that way a little bit about this watch it would be better if it was Isaac Newton's watch. [TS]

00:59:28   But the fact that it kind of got it was donated to the rolls audience is watching this [TS]

00:59:33   and it was kind of promoted as this and treated like this and treated with all this reverence and then [TS]

00:59:39   and then people start investigating and I have a paper that was written here [TS]

00:59:45   and then the title of the tape is a bogus Newtonian curiosity at the Royal Society and when was this written. [TS]

00:59:53   This was written in two thousand and one. OK. He writes a big long paper I'm not going to go into all the data. [TS]

01:00:00   No [TS]

01:00:00   but he investigated over things like the hallmarks in a case which is the watch part of self is hold on seventeen twenty [TS]

01:00:08   nine. [TS]

01:00:09   Newton died in seven hundred twenty seven so it's that it was the watch was made at least two years after Newton [TS]

01:00:15   launched later on I thought possibly it was May even later [TS]

01:00:19   and then all sorts of other issues come into play as well including the change between calendars we throw. [TS]

01:00:25   Yes So some of the things to do with changing between calendars you know Gregorian and the like. [TS]

01:00:31   Make them think that maybe this watch is even new or even new [TS]

01:00:35   or even you wouldn't claim to perhaps sort of the seventeen fifties seven hundred forty S. [TS]

01:00:40   So presumably someone was trying to cash in on Isaac Newton in a same time I mean it's things like someone has put the [TS]

01:00:47   engraving on obviously some of that in graving on saying this was given to Isaac Newton etc etc right [TS]

01:00:54   and Newton was long dead right. So that's a bit naughty. [TS]

01:00:58   It is not a Brady but sometimes people will do things for money that are naughty. [TS]

01:01:04   You better just thing you're looking at me with innocent eyes of like oh I can't believe someone would a fake a watch [TS]

01:01:14   and someone would fake a historical object. Oh my. Well yes sometimes these things happen. [TS]

01:01:19   I thought this was quite a pity because you know his me saying out objects are pretty [TS]

01:01:26   and we should all bathe in the glory of our objects [TS]

01:01:29   and this is an opportunity for you to say the older something is the more chance of things like this happening fakery [TS]

01:01:36   things being things are less reliable the older they get. [TS]

01:01:39   I mean this is a this is a valuable lesson and not less in the rocks [TS]

01:01:42   but it needs to learn I mean I've got a hyper expert expects to spend all their time writing papers about this this is [TS]

01:01:49   an entire field of trying to determine the authenticity of old objects [TS]

01:01:53   and trying to trying to member I may have this book wrong but I remember reading a book a while back I think it was. [TS]

01:02:00   All the men in the high tower in there one of the characters discusses that he he has like a cigarette lighter that [TS]

01:02:07   prevented through just accident like the assassination of a of a historical president [TS]

01:02:11   and he has this little cigarette lighter. [TS]

01:02:14   And here though I know that it's real because I have like the letter of authenticity that goes along with it [TS]

01:02:21   and then he pulls out a an identical cigarette lighter made at the same time at the same year [TS]

01:02:26   and he says you know well what is the difference between these two objects that like one has a letter of authenticity [TS]

01:02:33   with it and one doesn't. [TS]

01:02:35   But I can just switch these to when you're not looking and then you know do you know which one is which. [TS]

01:02:40   I think the whole notion of of trying to keep track of particular objects is a surprisingly difficult one [TS]

01:02:50   and in many ways I think of the reasons why places like museums exist. [TS]

01:02:56   Would you try to collect things at the time and keep them under your control [TS]

01:03:01   and keep passing them on because otherwise when things turn up it's very hard to know is this a real claim [TS]

01:03:07   or is it not a real claim. [TS]

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01:03:29   Now if you were doing things work related on the web I'll be surprised if you haven't already got a code to my name. [TS]

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01:04:00   Do the same with something more serious like maybe printk Mathematica dot net [TS]

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01:04:09   and Hava has a huge range from those typical dot coms right through to all the weird [TS]

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01:05:20   We have another book looking thing [TS]

01:05:22   but it actually looks like it's going to be a collection of paper in your portfolio something like a phone book [TS]

01:05:28   but it is a book with sheets that are not like the ones taken a pretty stick like a glue stick [TS]

01:05:34   and as fixed a very large number of individual letters into this book these are an assortment of manuscripts [TS]

01:05:42   and papers and letters and speeches and this is all written in English [TS]

01:05:46   and said these are things that you people that you and I can just read [TS]

01:05:48   and find the gems in so they know is what gives you my fan [TS]

01:05:53   and I'm going to show you a real gem a look at this this is not what we're looking for the look is pictures of jawbones. [TS]

01:06:00   We're just growing scrolling through through this book and suddenly this very detailed pictures and jawbones [TS]

01:06:07   and it was like the focusing on the teeth placements that sometimes just is obviously written in about jawbones [TS]

01:06:12   and sentence observations of the sun. There's all sorts of things here. [TS]

01:06:18   Oh look at this this is this is amazing isn't it. [TS]

01:06:21   You can see why I started objectivity because you come to the Royal Society for one thing [TS]

01:06:25   and you had me thinking well what's this thing this to fix like it's plants that are being thrown [TS]

01:06:30   and it was like a stem cross section you know flown flown down like fancy stuff. Once on the telescopes. [TS]

01:06:45   I'm sorry if Brady will get lost in diagrams and old letters so I love this. I just love this is what this is. [TS]

01:06:52   I could spend all my life just looking through these OK because they weren't living through right now is this all from [TS]

01:06:57   one person or this is a random And I think it's almost chronological so I think you know this is the stuff. [TS]

01:07:03   What I was trying to figure letters letters and papers. [TS]

01:07:08   Eighteen eighteen no one so this is just this is just the stuff that was coming into the role Saturday night [TS]

01:07:14   and I want to so it's been filed to send to the Royal Society you know I did fun the other day a letter that someone [TS]

01:07:20   wrote in skiing for William Herschel's autograph I was amazed that people were asking for a graphic that that you would [TS]

01:07:27   write in and just say oh can I have you can't do a selfie what you going to do. [TS]

01:07:30   Yes I didn't know what a graph data in fact that as a as a thing like that [TS]

01:07:34   and I'm sure people were asking for the pharaoh's stamp [TS]

01:07:37   and I don't know who looks look at this is some amazing diagrams and pictures here of an ear of the human ear stuff go. [TS]

01:07:47   Looks like there's some kind of device being inserted into the ear and drying a needle things look pleasant [TS]

01:07:52   and the needle being second in the air as wave has been your drum on the way into this office. We went past a pool. [TS]

01:08:00   Sure of Thomas Young and you a lot. [TS]

01:08:02   Thomas Young I know that name [TS]

01:08:04   and you have a little mental black We're not going to talk about Thomas you know this is a paper he sent in [TS]

01:08:09   or some paper it's a lecture he gave. [TS]

01:08:12   There's a famous lecture that all societies called the bay Kerry and lecture [TS]

01:08:17   and this is a by Kerry in that chair that Thomas young guy in eighteen I won the date written here at the top of the [TS]

01:08:23   paper says he read the lecture in November eighteen I won. [TS]

01:08:30   And here is the lecture handwritten letter he gave what's called let's see what's called the lecture is titled on the [TS]

01:08:37   theory of light and colours. OK so you give this thing I'd like to be fair guys for a fair while rabbits on a bit. [TS]

01:08:47   Doesn't this doesn't look like it's a snappy ten minute video kind of [TS]

01:08:52   and this is more Brady style than dry stuff I was thinking ten minutes is already Brady style. [TS]

01:08:59   Yeah he's gone for he's gone for quantity. [TS]

01:09:03   Those sorts of propositions an hypothesis and and I'm not going to get you to read what it's about but I think [TS]

01:09:09   when you see this is the first time this was discussed and [TS]

01:09:12   when you see the picture at the end you realize why this lecture was bit of a big deal this is a long long legs actions [TS]

01:09:25   where you wonder how many people made it to the end. His the pictures to go with tell me if this looks familiar. [TS]

01:09:34   The diffraction patterns will be light this is slits young of the young slit time who went on to do a double slit [TS]

01:09:42   experiment this is a single slit experiment this is the young who did double slit so anyone from school would know all [TS]

01:09:50   about Young's slits and a fraction of logic of course this is this is the man [TS]

01:09:55   and this is this the first time that he was. [TS]

01:10:00   Real to the world what he'd found what he was learning about how light travels so this is the first lecture on the kind [TS]

01:10:08   of wave nature of light. [TS]

01:10:10   I guess yeah the fact that [TS]

01:10:12   when light passes through a narrow passage instead of just going straight through like you like you might think it [TS]

01:10:19   would. [TS]

01:10:20   You can observe that a it to fracs sort of bends around the curve bends around the hole ever so slightly [TS]

01:10:28   and there it is. [TS]

01:10:29   He's drawn and he's shown that he's telling people about it for the first time he's writing it with his hand [TS]

01:10:35   and telling people [TS]

01:10:36   and now this is like for a physics teacher like this is you know this is we don't even bother with a single slit right [TS]

01:10:42   he just sort of jump right into the double slit experiment [TS]

01:10:46   and try to talk about the strange things that are going on there right now. [TS]

01:10:51   So anyway I just sort of been asked to show a physics teacher the moment that young gave his own lesson [TS]

01:10:58   and sprung on the world. [TS]

01:10:59   This fundamental iconic demonstration [TS]

01:11:04   and the other thing I love about this we're talking about how there are all these disparate papers [TS]

01:11:07   and one after the other you know one minute we're looking at a needle being stuck in someone's ear the next minute [TS]

01:11:12   we're looking at a plant the next minute we're looking at young telling the world about the wave nature of light. [TS]

01:11:19   The next paper straight after this young lecture has been stuck into this file is actually all about the discovery of a [TS]

01:11:30   new element. [TS]

01:11:31   So this is a golden time for science like I know everything I know science is always go out [TS]

01:11:36   and enjoy things happening now I think. [TS]

01:11:38   One minute we've got young discovering this wave like nature of light we've got new elements being discovered like [TS]

01:11:44   fundamental things. This is amazing. [TS]

01:11:47   Others agree there that that there are there is definitely a kind of golden age of science between you know the same [TS]

01:11:54   broadly like seventeen hundred to the end of the eighteen hundreds and. [TS]

01:12:00   The reason why you can say that the golden period is because of a bunch of overlapping factors one there was an [TS]

01:12:07   enormous amount of stuff to still be discovered so that there was through to just waiting for those who were going to [TS]

01:12:15   look low hanging fruit yet too. [TS]

01:12:19   Just as we started with this one you have Isaac Newton [TS]

01:12:22   and a bunch of other people starting to bring in more rigorous processes to how to how do we do science like what can [TS]

01:12:27   you start applying mathematics to and there was way more to be discovered and. [TS]

01:12:32   And three the things that were available for people to discover a lot of it is what we kind of call in science like [TS]

01:12:39   tabletop science guy who like your spare time and money [TS]

01:12:48   and a room in your house you could discover something about the nature of light that nobody had ever discovered [TS]

01:12:56   and sure you had to be a smarter person than the average person. [TS]

01:13:01   But there was just so much there to be found that that people could go and look [TS]

01:13:06   and like discover things if they're willing to put in a lot of time [TS]

01:13:10   and if they were basically noble people in the eight hundred you had money [TS]

01:13:14   and spare time that they didn't have to tilt fields That's why do you think that that's a real golden age of science [TS]

01:13:20   whereas whereas now I mean you know some of the stuff that I worked on [TS]

01:13:24   when I was in university some of those research projects I mean they were even the stuff that I was working on like [TS]

01:13:30   teams of several dozen people who were working on it just like a very small part of one machine that was part of this [TS]

01:13:41   enormous facility up and up in Rochester that all told would have a thousand some odd people working on it [TS]

01:13:49   and it's because what well now they were probing the real edges of reality [TS]

01:13:53   and so you can't you can't be a guy in your in your room go [TS]

01:13:56   and I think maybe I'm going to scupper something you know that that work is. Have available in theoretical physics. [TS]

01:14:02   But that age of practical physics is is over I think I know this is something I ask you about before I can trust her. [TS]

01:14:09   If I predict what your answer is [TS]

01:14:11   but I know you know I always bring up things like what would it be better to be a bear [TS]

01:14:15   or would it be better to have lived hundreds of years ago. [TS]

01:14:18   Now I know you're going to say to me sure as long as you're not telling the failed [TS]

01:14:21   or dying of dysentery something like that [TS]

01:14:24   but if if you were lucky enough to be you know a person of Mainz would it not be a better time to be living [TS]

01:14:32   when you could do things like Discover Pluto map a strategy for the first time discover an element like is that stuff [TS]

01:14:40   gone. [TS]

01:14:40   It wouldn't know what it is for someone who is excited by discovering I'm obsessed with Apollo and the moon missions [TS]

01:14:46   and I missed out on that golden time of the late sixty's and seventy's [TS]

01:14:51   but for someone who has a mind like that would it not have been more exciting when all this stuff was unknown [TS]

01:14:56   and almost every few weeks it was like oh my goodness I found a whole nother continent. [TS]

01:15:00   Oh my goodness not just on another planet. [TS]

01:15:02   Now it's kind of like looked I've now discovered that the chromosomal the protein that helps the soul daily since bit [TS]

01:15:08   like it just doesn't seem quite as exciting anymore. [TS]

01:15:13   The problem is a sense of of scale because a lot of the seven hundred eight hundred science is science that you can [TS]

01:15:24   explain to an interested person whereas almost everything is discovered in science now it's very hard to explain what's [TS]

01:15:32   actually occurring because the base knowledge required is just huge it's absolutely huge [TS]

01:15:39   and it's why so many of the popular books you ever read on physics they kind of cover the period from like seven [TS]

01:15:44   hundred to like I like Newton [TS]

01:15:46   and then we kind of stop after that point because it's just it just gets to be too much of like well now you need to be [TS]

01:15:52   an expert in this in this field to a large extent. [TS]

01:15:55   What's a great time for a scientifically interested person to be alive. [TS]

01:16:00   And you're ignoring things like the dysentery and the horrible poverty everywhere. [TS]

01:16:06   If you're putting aside all of the reasons you wouldn't want to live in a seven hundred you can say yes it is for [TS]

01:16:11   certain kinds of people it may have been more intellectually satisfying to live them than to live now I would like in [TS]

01:16:18   particular I wonder about a guy like like a lord Kelvin who was a very scientific guy who was involved in lots of [TS]

01:16:25   different areas he was involved in temperature he was involved in the early Telegraph he was involved in a whole bunch [TS]

01:16:31   of stuff. I wonder his kind of mind how would that fit in a modern world. [TS]

01:16:37   Like maybe he wouldn't have been as useful at CERN as like he was just the right guy with the right mind at the right [TS]

01:16:45   time. Can I quote you on that Kelvin would have been rubbish. [TS]

01:16:48   So I'm I am postulating that it possible that that would really be a dumpster these days. [TS]

01:16:59   NEWTON I think Calvin in particular is like Newton I think is a real singular. Yeah weirdo. [TS]

01:17:05   Yeah there's no way around like Newton was a very strange person. [TS]

01:17:09   Yeah [TS]

01:17:10   and I think what one of the side effects of of the kind of strangeness that he had was a particular sort of intelligence [TS]

01:17:17   where is at least what I've read about Kelvin struck me as he's way more like like a resort's old guy at the time. [TS]

01:17:27   They may not have been the smartest scientist in the room but he just had like lots of interests [TS]

01:17:33   and was discovering a bunch of things. Yeah. [TS]

01:17:34   So he may have been better suited to productive use protected and was productive in a bunch of areas. [TS]

01:17:40   So that's why I just science now versus science and are two very different things. [TS]

01:17:45   And also to touch them [TS]

01:17:46   and back up what you just said I was reading last night a bit more about Isaac Newton because you would you were saying [TS]

01:17:51   how you don't know how many scientist are and you can remember how do you live. [TS]

01:17:55   So I actually looked up last night how did I die and it sounds like he actually kind of pretty. [TS]

01:18:01   Well I was having a lot of health problems over an extended period he was not supplying [TS]

01:18:04   and he was having all sorts of different elements [TS]

01:18:06   and that's the thing you forget where you think I ought to be nice to be an Isaac Newton [TS]

01:18:10   and have my painting up at the Royal Society in agony probably for years. [TS]

01:18:14   Right because they were and they didn't they couldn't fix him because I didn't know how to fix people right. [TS]

01:18:18   Yeah because it just has beaches that's all you have. [TS]

01:18:22   Yeah that's why I will always take living now or in the future the options [TS]

01:18:25   but it's a different question if you're asking about the nature of science. [TS]

01:18:28   It was just more for more people to discover than time for the resistance. [TS]

01:18:38   I got one more awesome workflows workflows and one of the types of systems you very interested in. [TS]

01:18:45   I love voting systems you love very good systems where you think you have an object related to voting at the ballot box [TS]

01:18:57   of some sort is this with a fancy crest on the front. [TS]

01:19:01   Big big wooden very heavy voting box this is the current official Royal Society voting box I was going to get this has [TS]

01:19:11   to be the Latin vote for the president of the Royal Society [TS]

01:19:14   but I don't think it's used for voting for THE PRESIDENT I don't think because I don't think it's done in person. [TS]

01:19:19   I haven't been able to establish exactly what it's used for [TS]

01:19:22   but I think it's more kind of business a thing so if they need to do a vote on something like Are we happy with the [TS]

01:19:27   annual report are we going to do this decision that if it's anything that involves bits of paper that they need to take [TS]

01:19:33   and cross [TS]

01:19:33   and things like that this is their ballot box so it's not a big slot in the top floating in the papers of course nicely [TS]

01:19:42   angled at the top to help the papers go in that that the nice little detail right not that of just having a flat across [TS]

01:19:48   the top nice lighting is good that's good good point. [TS]

01:19:51   OK So there we go a nice crest on the front with his the back and if we can these cases I think. Not turn. [TS]

01:20:01   Should I wait because in and then turns up is because it's like run a submarine right now [TS]

01:20:05   or open a nuclear launch codes. [TS]

01:20:08   I haven't unlocked minute left to lose so left Elysia would be rubbish at reading an election or so and there we go. [TS]

01:20:19   There's where you open it [TS]

01:20:20   and take out the ballot papers so you know what you know what you want about box you once a minute look official. [TS]

01:20:27   Now this this looks of it just as much better than sort of cardboardy once you see it real actions [TS]

01:20:32   and power ballad those generally don't look that impressive in elections [TS]

01:20:36   but this is lovely this is this is this is great. You could have one of these every polling station in the U.K. [TS]

01:20:41   Pretty expensive. You could if you took voting seriously you know you definitely could if you take voting seriously. [TS]

01:20:47   OK Anyway don't be disappointed. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting. [TS]

01:20:55   This is just this is just a ballot this is just a you know this is just to show you something to us to do is writing. [TS]

01:21:00   OK I'm now going to show you something or something before I show you this next autumn. [TS]

01:21:08   Don't get confused straight away. [TS]

01:21:10   There is there is unresolved matters here which we may have to figure out and I have to get at it. [TS]

01:21:16   But before we get to do with what confuses us let's just revel in the loveliness of the art. OK Let me get a camera. [TS]

01:21:26   This is the previous voting machine that was used here at the Royal Society. [TS]

01:21:32   Let me let me start with a look at them before you can do anything. [TS]

01:21:38   I'll try Think of how to describe this for the listeners what is asleep you know what it looks like it looks like the [TS]

01:21:45   top quarter of a periscope. I'm stuck on top of a box. [TS]

01:21:50   There's a big circular opening that is facing perpendicular parallel to the floor. [TS]

01:21:57   It has yes no written across the top of it. [TS]

01:22:00   But there's no obvious thing to do with the US through the narrow it just says yes or no. [TS]

01:22:06   Above this big circular opening and there's a little drawer on the bottom which is also labelled Y. [TS]

01:22:11   and and Below the below this big opening thing. [TS]

01:22:14   It really would pay off to look at a picture of this if you know watching a video [TS]

01:22:17   and we will make a picture of a little on but I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to cast a vote here. [TS]

01:22:23   I'm going to cast a vote now on top of this box there is like a slot that's been a groove in the top [TS]

01:22:30   and I imagine that is where you would put the question or the issue at hand. [TS]

01:22:34   So for example it could say at the top there in the slot I could put a piece of card of something they're saying should [TS]

01:22:40   see G.P. Gravy made a Fellow of the Royal Society right. [TS]

01:22:44   Do I want him to become a fellow and what I do is in my hand here I have a small bowl [TS]

01:22:50   and now with this tiny bowl I put my hand into this giant hole at the front that you described as looking like a [TS]

01:22:58   periscope and if you put your hand in there and feel put your hand in [TS]

01:23:02   and have a little video I see where this is getting immediate You can drop the ball to the left [TS]

01:23:06   or the right say yes often. [TS]

01:23:08   Yes it was when I put my hand in I can feel there's a little little triangle kind of sticking up in the middle [TS]

01:23:14   and I can feel a space on either side to drop a marble into yes or into now. Yeah. So there we go. [TS]

01:23:21   So if I decided I want I think Gray he's a good like he should be made a Fellow of the Law Society I would put my hand [TS]

01:23:28   in everyone else in the room will have no idea what why I'm voting. [TS]

01:23:32   I could just hit a little plop of the box that I would know I voted I would be held accountable Yes Brady did cast his [TS]

01:23:38   vote. I heard the ball plot but I don't know if he went left or right. [TS]

01:23:43   Right this is a machine designed to ensure that voting occurs [TS]

01:23:48   and that it is also anonymous yet because you can see which way the person drop a marble. [TS]

01:23:53   If we're quite here for a second I'll drop my bow to the left. You know there's the vote. [TS]

01:24:00   And then at the end of the night this drawer at the bottom can be pulled out [TS]

01:24:05   and the drawer is split into it so they'll be a whole bunch of balls in the left [TS]

01:24:09   and maybe a whole bunch of balls in the right and and you win the vote. [TS]

01:24:13   Right so that's how it how it's counted at the end. Very simple. I like this thing. [TS]

01:24:18   Here's the complicating factor that's got a very simple yes or no [TS]

01:24:21   and you can decide whether you whether it's a simple reality to win [TS]

01:24:26   or you could say two thirds of the vote so whatever. [TS]

01:24:30   But here is the thing that I find interesting because there's another type of voting that I don't know if you don't [TS]

01:24:35   with before but I'm sure you have you've certainly heard of it before. [TS]

01:24:39   Because if you have a look at the polls they're not all the polls at this time. [TS]

01:24:44   Yeah you have so the so the two the two types basically we're talking about here. [TS]

01:24:51   Look I mean looking into the box there are look at there are multicoloured ones. [TS]

01:24:55   But overall if you're going to divide them into two screens we have light colored bow you have is a light colored ball [TS]

01:25:01   and there's a dark a black one black ball and they are different weights. If you're like All right. [TS]

01:25:09   Possibly but that's the point is some people may have heard of the term being blackballed being emitted. [TS]

01:25:16   This is another type of voting that can be done using something like this where you don't even necessarily need a yes [TS]

01:25:23   or a no and this type of vote voting involves is the reason A Yes channel [TS]

01:25:28   or no channel what you do is you go up to the voting machine with two balls in your hand a black ball and a white ball. [TS]

01:25:37   You put your hand into the machine go into the hole into the box and you release one ball. [TS]

01:25:44   And normally what it would be would be I will release my light colored ball if I want to try to become a fellow of the [TS]

01:25:51   Royal Society for example or whatever I want and you release the black ball if you don't [TS]

01:25:56   and then you open up the drawer at the end and there is. [TS]

01:26:00   You then have options you could count up the yes votes for the large balls vs the nobles the lack of balls [TS]

01:26:06   or a more dramatic way of voting and a more common way [TS]

01:26:09   and where the term black bold comes from is if just one person drops in a black hole. Sometimes I would like to people. [TS]

01:26:17   Letterman grudges to let it go if you have one black ball in the drawer at the end you're out. You've been blackballed. [TS]

01:26:25   You've missed out. You've missed out on your fill of shit because you got blackballed. [TS]

01:26:28   Right so this is the way it is a basically a veto threat on where we sail to do people that we're using to two black [TS]

01:26:36   balls. [TS]

01:26:37   No matter how many people say yes a veto is able to override all of the effort [TS]

01:26:42   and you never know who blackballed because he is Brady with these lot ball [TS]

01:26:45   and he's stuck ball right puts his hand in puts his hand in which ones are going to drop [TS]

01:26:51   and he takes you doesn't want to whine we never say that the ones who go I did I just [TS]

01:26:55   but boy did I took a lot though I would hope that you blackballed me because I have noted it would be a terrible fellow [TS]

01:27:02   I have said I have done nothing to earn that honor. [TS]

01:27:05   So the thing that has you know open your hand [TS]

01:27:07   or what I did you didn't like the thought I wanted you to agree about it I didn't even know it well that's not the [TS]

01:27:17   problem. [TS]

01:27:18   Knowing me I would put the black ball in the libel in my hand put my hand into the ball and then not know which one. [TS]

01:27:25   Oh sorry I meant to drop the lie. [TS]

01:27:27   Well I think that's why they have the rule that you need to make good [TS]

01:27:31   but because there's always a Brady in every group I thought it was a stand up bloke so the thing that confused me last [TS]

01:27:39   night when I was sitting this machine for the first time [TS]

01:27:43   and I didn't figure out the answer I will though I've come up with a theory to know if we have this yes name machine [TS]

01:27:49   with a yes channel a no show and you can just drop the ball that people write down these two channels. [TS]

01:27:55   Why do we also have what poles and black balls. It doesn't it didn't quite make sense to me. [TS]

01:28:02   Well presumably because not every single vote is requiring a veto. [TS]

01:28:08   Either the machine can be multi-purpose you have you have figured out in half a second why I spent a good half hour to [TS]

01:28:16   an hour thinking about last night and that's what I think well maybe I mean I'm just guessing [TS]

01:28:21   but that's what I wouldn't presume. [TS]

01:28:23   My guess all this is trip my guess could also be you could use both purposes at the same time it could be so should [TS]

01:28:30   should graded him a member of the Royal Society and we all got to the machine [TS]

01:28:35   and he's got a past he's going to get fifty percent of the yeses to to become a felony. [TS]

01:28:39   But you could also add a veto component to it right. [TS]

01:28:42   So if he gets over fifty percent of yeses he's in but if you get to one black ball right. [TS]

01:28:47   He's also he's also out so you could have double the double the complication right the thing that was a reason why the [TS]

01:28:53   weight of them struck me immediately as I was one it is another thing that you could do with this. [TS]

01:28:59   As an old fashioned way of doing this but in in many situations votes are not equal. [TS]

01:29:03   So you will have several tears of members. [TS]

01:29:06   We'll have the inner council and their votes are worth three times as much as the like the next year out [TS]

01:29:12   and then you'll have the bottom tier of members whose votes are maybe only worth fifty percent of the standard code [TS]

01:29:17   and you could use a machine like this to do with many corporations do where they calculate the way various people so [TS]

01:29:23   you could do it with a literal weight of different ball if you want to say to a telephone no take the balls out here [TS]

01:29:28   and put them on the scales and see if you got enough mass to win that do that [TS]

01:29:32   or you could do that as a way to approximate how how powerful these persons vote is endlessly endlessly interesting [TS]

01:29:39   that never never ceases to amaze me how much you think about ways of looking at the polls you could use the [TS]

01:29:48   circumference of this multiplied by you can do it by metrically as well as you know you can have them there [TS]

01:29:55   and then you put them in a kind of like in a cylinder and it has a sort of post. [TS]

01:30:00   What they need to get past [TS]

01:30:01   or you know there's different ways you could do it man you can use your enjoying this way too much what do you think of [TS]

01:30:06   this is an object. I think it's really interesting to see this kind of thing this is like. [TS]

01:30:12   And this is the one they were using to vote for fellows way back not anymore if you sound really boring [TS]

01:30:18   but this is to me is like a little piece of bureaucratic history. [TS]

01:30:22   They think there's this is just stuff that we need to resolve like their votes in passing yes or no [TS]

01:30:27   and you know what you need equipment to help you with that kind of stuff. [TS]

01:30:30   So this to me is a very it's a very practical little device and I think it's kind of cute. [TS]

01:30:37   Literally it looks like a little droid doesn't it could be a Star Wars Droid [TS]

01:30:42   or I mean this from from the side it's like a little stylized duck you know it's like a duck bill in the head [TS]

01:30:46   and then in school pictures as it was on the on the sides going to have a look at the voting machine [TS]

01:30:52   but I thought this was a nice finale a bit of voting for a missing girl. [TS]

01:30:56   So that's the sort of where this is been an interesting interesting different day. Interesting. [TS]

01:31:02   Yeah that's not something you say when you enjoy something that's like if your wife at home and had a new haircut [TS]

01:31:08   and said what you think of my new hairstyle and you said interesting you wouldn't say that I hope. [TS]

01:31:14   Would you have it is I think you asked me if I if I like or if I don't like it. [TS]

01:31:18   She actually she she literally just came home last night and asked me about the new lipstick that she was wearing. [TS]

01:31:24   Did you discover this interesting. [TS]

01:31:25   What I said is that I am reserving judgment for the moment which means that I don't like it immediately [TS]

01:31:29   but I might like it later [TS]

01:31:31   and she was totally fine with that because she's a reasonable person person I feel like the whole world is divided into [TS]

01:31:37   things that are either interesting or not interesting [TS]

01:31:40   and maybe I'll use this in a in a different way than most people do it. [TS]

01:31:45   But interest is something that you can't you can't control and you just have or you don't have [TS]

01:31:50   and I have found this day very interesting. [TS]

01:31:53   I think I'm everything interesting I don't divide things into everything is interesting. [TS]

01:31:56   That's why to you it sounds like I'm just using some sort of filler word like. Oh yeah whatever you say interesting. [TS]

01:32:02   The the opposite of interesting. [TS]

01:32:05   Our boredom and indifference is actually a little triangle I think is the way that works. [TS]

01:32:11   So I would say this is interesting because I have been interested in the things that you have brought forward. [TS]

01:32:16   I think you've done an excellent job in selecting stuff to look at all the thanks goes to case more [TS]

01:32:21   and the people in the library at the Royal Society. [TS]

01:32:23   Yeah I'm super grateful that i let us do this today in this amazing room. [TS]

01:32:27   Yeah I kind of can't believe that you pulled this off and if this is happened relatively fast [TS]

01:32:31   and you just you just tossed the idea out. [TS]

01:32:34   That's a couple days ago and said oh maybe we can do this [TS]

01:32:37   and it is like to have lightning lightning speed all of a sudden I'm here we're talking about voting machines [TS]

01:32:42   and flags down in Adelaide we don't mess about. Sorry about that light section that was that was it's open toed. [TS]

01:32:48   I always I swear there were tears welling up in your eye having an emotional thing it's an emotional thing. [TS]

01:32:55   So so anyway I thought we might get some tears in the voting machine but you managed to remain stoic. [TS]

01:33:01   So and thank you to any listeners who persisted with their rather unusual format. [TS]

01:33:07   It's still traders talking but it's to do it's talking in touching distance that's me that's me touching C.D.P. [TS]

01:33:13   Great to be right on the hand slapping he's been here for months after this ready to wash my hands first. [TS]

01:33:19   Sorry I forgot. [TS]

01:33:20   Touched and so we've done two days talking in person in an amazing place [TS]

01:33:25   and I'm sure I'm sure next episode will be business as usual [TS]

01:33:28   and will be looked at doing our Panera follow up back to the usual. [TS]