00:00:06 ◼ ► Today we're doing something a little different this is a very special episode of the podcast three to set up something [TS]
00:00:19 ◼ ► There's video and it's video of objects and we're going to be talking about those objects during today's show. [TS]
00:00:30 ◼ ► but if you want more we've actually released this episode as a video at the same time on the hello internet You Tube [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► channel if you want to watch the video live you can either search for the hello internet channel on You Tube [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► And for those afraid of certain kinds of spoilers the video is close up shots of our hands mostly although Brady does [TS]
00:00:54 ◼ ► But don't worry this is primarily a pod cast so if you just want to listen to this episode you are already doing that [TS]
00:01:00 ◼ ► presumably And so you can just keep listening. Either way on to this very special episode of hello internet. [TS]
00:01:08 ◼ ► I'm actually looking at your face and we're in the same room and completely freaking me out. [TS]
00:01:13 ◼ ► I was in that I'm really freaking out because I can literally reach over the microphone and touch your face. [TS]
00:01:20 ◼ ► You know it's strange while I've been setting up I haven't actually looked up and now I just look to you [TS]
00:01:24 ◼ ► and I feel really weird. SAVE THE so I with the arms going to look at my face the whole time. [TS]
00:01:28 ◼ ► We have probably spent more hours talking to each other not looking at each other then [TS]
00:01:40 ◼ ► Anyway let's explain why we're in the same place because this is a very special episode of hello internet. [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► All the Utah people where we're sitting because I got a suspicion I'm going to talk [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► We are in the Royal Society building right now just just outside the window we're actually sitting in the president's [TS]
00:02:10 ◼ ► and looking out the window is on to the mountains in which people say it was I was at the mall [TS]
00:02:21 ◼ ► If you those are down the road from us is Buckingham Palace just slightly up the road is Trafalgar Square [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► and you may hear a lot of ambient noise because minutes before we started recording it was the changing of the guard so [TS]
00:02:33 ◼ ► we could hear all of the horses going down the street just in front of the building that we are in the president's [TS]
00:02:40 ◼ ► I think you're downplaying this whole president's office things like this is the Oval Office of Science. [TS]
00:02:46 ◼ ► Like it like in terms of ceremonial science jobs. President of the Royal Society here in London. [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► I can't think of a ceremonial science job as big a deal. I can't think of one Can you think of one. [TS]
00:03:00 ◼ ► It's not the biggest deal in science like winning a Nobel Prize is probably a bigger deal for a scientist. [TS]
00:03:10 ◼ ► But but like in terms of like you know I like the posh jobs I think President of the Royal Society is the [TS]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and touch his equivalent of the resolute desk. We're looking at his desk right now. [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► It does appear it does appear so the current president of the Royal Society is a poll nurse Nobel Prize winner Nobel [TS]
00:03:35 ◼ ► Prize in Medicine big expert on cells and such things genetics does not a cancer research now he is away today. [TS]
00:03:42 ◼ ► He's not sitting here watching us thank goodness because that would make an awkward situation even more awkward yes yes. [TS]
00:03:48 ◼ ► So we've been given his office mainly because one of the quieter rooms in the building [TS]
00:04:06 ◼ ► but now talking for an Arab at what happened in the episode before you be in a place like this [TS]
00:04:16 ◼ ► or forty five minutes it would seem almost disrespectful to the office and the room current [TS]
00:04:33 ◼ ► or anything so we're skipping our normal follow up which is probably a good thing. [TS]
00:04:41 ◼ ► and this episode which I think will be Episode forty miles well will take place in Episode forty one so for those die [TS]
00:04:48 ◼ ► hard fans who love listening to us go over everything in minutia you can have to white I'm sorry because we're dealing [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► just with just with World Business Today. Now I want to talk a bit more about where we are. [TS]
00:05:14 ◼ ► Let me just hit you with a few names I want safe any of these names mean anything to this is from the long list of [TS]
00:05:19 ◼ ► previous presidents interview already and I really feel like like like you have prepared for today. [TS]
00:05:27 ◼ ► and I'm feeling massively outgunned right now you have you have no you have preparations you have people you have [TS]
00:05:35 ◼ ► people helping you today and I just feel like oh God I don't know what you have no idea what's happening. [TS]
00:05:41 ◼ ► And that as you'll find out that's part of the point where to live really drop and right to that [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► but let me hit him with a few names and see if this is not test feels like it's us none of this will be a test [TS]
00:05:51 ◼ ► but I just want to hit you with a few names because I want you to understand the power of the office you're in at the [TS]
00:06:02 ◼ ► Yes superstar architect of London St Paul's Cathedral which is that big dome church you always see [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► when you see the iconic pictures of London he was a president of the Royal Society. [TS]
00:06:12 ◼ ► Little guy called Isaac Newton ring a bell ring about Isaac Newton something with apples in an orchard oratory It's [TS]
00:06:27 ◼ ► Yeah I think I know Isaac I don't know if you know this one but will mean a lot to our strength in friends [TS]
00:06:31 ◼ ► and means a lot to me. The longest serving president of the Royal Society is a guy called Joseph Banks. [TS]
00:06:36 ◼ ► So that was you know that one you might not know one line is I can say a person he's a botanist [TS]
00:06:46 ◼ ► and he was on a five dollar night for a long time so he means a lot to me but I'll let you off our thank you. [TS]
00:06:51 ◼ ► Humphry Davy Oh I should know that this is where it starts to feel like a test on an item to see if you know the name [TS]
00:06:58 ◼ ► you doesn't it doesn't I know the name the tell me what to do that we're not going to. [TS]
00:07:03 ◼ ► People can look it up though I want to know right now I can look it up you have it right there. [TS]
00:07:08 ◼ ► Lord rally Raleigh scattering. Oh yeah yeah yeah the past president and they really that probably is correct. [TS]
00:07:21 ◼ ► Ernest rather third rather rather heard yet another president brag Florrie Florrie I don't know Florrie penicillin [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► again I'm going by faith because he hasn't had lead connection that's where I'm from. [TS]
00:07:40 ◼ ► Yeah thinking of climbing the amp correctly but because I'm from Adelaide we pick up Florrie [TS]
00:07:52 ◼ ► Well when you're young men like you want money and you can't have it and your parents like in their wallet [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Notice which you dream of having like a fifty dollar note right even a five dollar night right the people on those [TS]
00:08:05 ◼ ► notes the pictures of them become these iconic people on shows the president's on your American money they like. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► and I see these portraits of these people's faces I'm not that's the guy that was above fifty dollars. [TS]
00:08:24 ◼ ► Anyway so the Flamingo never a presidents of No no I don't I cannot believe Fleming was right flurry was one of them [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► think of the glory floor involved in penicillin and the president of the Royal Society and Australian connections. [TS]
00:08:38 ◼ ► Yeah like a hatrick I think I don't know if he won the Nobel Prize for its reference by the way it was just one point [TS]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and we're sitting in the the presidential office now comes the slightly disappointing [TS]
00:08:54 ◼ ► but those presidents did not sit in this office they sat in the previous offices in previous buildings because the role [TS]
00:09:04 ◼ ► society has not been in the building where in all that land where in a building called Carlton Terrace house I believe [TS]
00:09:25 ◼ ► when we were in the fellow's room before having a having a cup of tea before we started I noticed you ordered a very [TS]
00:09:42 ◼ ► Do the really great grey a grey even more famous than your former prime minister of this country. [TS]
00:09:51 ◼ ► He used to live in this building really with Lady Gray. She also had a tea. Really I didn't. [TS]
00:09:57 ◼ ► What's Nasir out of a grenade. I've actually never had lead to great teachers know that it exists. [TS]
00:10:02 ◼ ► I've never had I've never had any myself form a former home of oh great a number of prime ministers have lived in this [TS]
00:10:12 ◼ ► It was built on some gardens that used to be owned by someone called Prince Rupert Prince Rupert of Prince Rupert strop [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► fame which is a mame a science experiment which you made even more famous by allowing Testim to perform in your hand an [TS]
00:10:30 ◼ ► Yes yes that was that the random act of intelligent show in Alabama much against my better judgment I did convince [TS]
00:10:37 ◼ ► destine to allow me to do his famous this glass disc explodes into a million pieces experiment with my hand wrapped [TS]
00:10:44 ◼ ► around it. Can we talk about that last time I cannot believe you let him do that. Did you know he was going to do that. [TS]
00:10:53 ◼ ► I believe it because I could use some sort of safety conscious and I always think of you as quiet not a risk taker [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► and then when I went and sat on the next flight this piece of glass cannot do it in your hands if you bigger [TS]
00:11:15 ◼ ► but I destine if Justin asked me to walk across like a pit of fire recalls I would I would trust destine enough that I [TS]
00:11:34 ◼ ► but I feel like destiny destiny knows he's only going to be able to ask me for so many favors. Maybe. [TS]
00:11:40 ◼ ► So basically if I want to get you to come on the trip to Everest I was going get destine to ask Destin asking would [TS]
00:11:49 ◼ ► but the reason that I'm willing to go along with destines requests is I feel very confident that he knew that was [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Vouch for the safety of an actual trip to Everest. Do you think I'm not a safe person like I would put you in danger. [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► I like the scope of interest yes that's the way it ties in with my whole heart of an image that I'm trying to work with [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Everyone seems to associate that saying With me now which is quite ridiculous because I'm bit of a lightweight anyway [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and it was really interesting before World War One I believe this was the German embassy. [TS]
00:12:55 ◼ ► when the walk it off the Germans were quite rightly actually asked to leave so the building was sort of left empty [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► During World War One and the British are so polite and it was so respectful that I actually didn't do anything [TS]
00:13:13 ◼ ► and apparently when the Germans came back after the war and came back into the building all their pipes [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► and everything exactly as they left the building was completely untouched through the war which was really interesting. [TS]
00:13:27 ◼ ► World War two when work just before World War two started it sort of became the Nazi embassy [TS]
00:13:38 ◼ ► and they can come back to this building after World War two And that was appropriated [TS]
00:13:47 ◼ ► Former German Embassy former Nazi embassy now home of the sting wisht Royal Society [TS]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and one other little interesting piece of trivia about it is there is actually the former German ambassador had a much [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► So cold gyro abilities which died and its gravestone is still here and you can actually go outside later on [TS]
00:14:14 ◼ ► I dunno if you buy dead dogs but didn't Gyra have a Facebook page and the slow motion videos. [TS]
00:14:22 ◼ ► I doubt if it was my dog I don't think I don't think the German investor was so big on social media anyway. [TS]
00:14:29 ◼ ► Well over the last four exhausting that trip here is and it's exhausting being in front of you. [TS]
00:14:35 ◼ ► I'm going to live very strict and some have been huge site so I realize you're axed [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► and now I know you are a great lover of London. You often just walk the streets aimlessly. [TS]
00:14:57 ◼ ► Is this a part of London that you do much wondering like we are we in familiar territory here around this part of [TS]
00:15:03 ◼ ► London. Yes I would say I would say not the most familiar area but more familiar than most. [TS]
00:15:12 ◼ ► OK So rank your most familiar areas like in your in your peak wondering times what would you rank as the more familiar [TS]
00:15:29 ◼ ► That little stretch I'm extremely familiar with but I would say the second most area is kind of Trafalgar Square [TS]
00:15:36 ◼ ► and then working backwards through Green Park which is what we're against right now. [TS]
00:15:40 ◼ ► And then up into Hyde Park as well so that's an area that I'm really familiar with like a little maybe second if I have [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► So and I know that you used to take photos of parts of London in another life like a bit of an obsession of yours. [TS]
00:15:56 ◼ ► Did you have a photograph this building or anything around here of course. I'm so building it's going to make a P.D.F. [TS]
00:16:06 ◼ ► and your days I don't think that I did because this is slightly It's slightly off the main road. [TS]
00:16:17 ◼ ► I'm not sure that I ever did but I have to I have to go back through my Flickr photos back [TS]
00:16:23 ◼ ► and things that serve the serve no purpose really were no longer out of three pictures I have spent time it's part of [TS]
00:16:30 ◼ ► the you have to make it I think that probably Fed didn't quite a lot to what you because you know you sort of see that [TS]
00:16:36 ◼ ► obsession with London and places and I think I think you should feel bad about that era. [TS]
00:16:48 ◼ ► but I don't think it's ever is not a real possibility but you should have to look back to my old photographs [TS]
00:16:54 ◼ ► and see if I ever did take a picture of this place. OK now maybe we should come on to the point of today right. [TS]
00:17:02 ◼ ► The reason we're here the reason we're here as I said the reason we're in the presence of US has nothing to do with the [TS]
00:17:07 ◼ ► president say it just because it was one of the quieter things in the building and he happens to be out today. [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► Right but you know I have bit of an obsession with old objects. Indeed you do and a lot of science. [TS]
00:17:19 ◼ ► So what's happened is with a bit of help from my friends here particularly a gentleman named Keith Moore who I may [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and he's a fountain of knowledge so I found his knowledge I should say people tell me of a fountain knowledge he's [TS]
00:17:34 ◼ ► found knowledge very helpful. He has he has conspired with me to dig it out some items of interest from the archives. [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► There's an incredible archive society and I have dug out a number of items which I want to show to you. [TS]
00:17:52 ◼ ► I saw Shante All right I don't know how you can feel about this because you famously are not a big fan of. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Objects and stuff but you look at the history interpret this you know I always felt this claim [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► or I don't necessarily want object in my house. I am happy that objects exist in the world. [TS]
00:18:19 ◼ ► and that it archives all of the history of science that it has all of these things I really love that these places [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► exist. I'm not hearing what would you say. All I'm thinking is this guy had two objects. [TS]
00:18:33 ◼ ► Might as well be was apparent that Charlie Brown right now every time I try to explain it was just what you do if [TS]
00:18:39 ◼ ► you're not going to do that you think. So one by one I am going to reveal objects to me. [TS]
00:18:46 ◼ ► OK now we're recording podcast podcasts do not lend themselves very well to visuals. [TS]
00:18:56 ◼ ► I feel that we have a history though of doing subject that I do you know form of that we tried it with. [TS]
00:19:05 ◼ ► So for those of you listening we would do our best to really vividly describe what we're looking at with incredible [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► mastery of words that we have exhibited over the over the last year or so we are trying something else. [TS]
00:19:21 ◼ ► But what's going to happen is you can look at pictures of these items as well through the show tonight [TS]
00:19:26 ◼ ► but possibly And if you want to hearing me say this we didn't do it but if you are hearing me say this we did do it. [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► We are running a video camera on the table and we're going to put the items on the table and try [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► and sync up the video somehow with the podcast so you can look at these things as we look at them. [TS]
00:19:49 ◼ ► So I don't want to make people who go to a You Tube channel they'll be links and stuff [TS]
00:19:53 ◼ ► and you can figure it out you're bright people you could figure that so it goes. So if you are hearing me. [TS]
00:20:02 ◼ ► when we clearly haven't because well all right we're not quite so bright but you can go to the You Tube channel [TS]
00:20:09 ◼ ► and kind of for once we're going to put this pod cast up on You Tube At the same time as the pod cast goes on i Tunes [TS]
00:20:17 ◼ ► Normally it's a month or two behind but you can you can watch this pod cast now and look at these items with us [TS]
00:20:36 ◼ ► or if you're performing surgery right now it's you don't need the nurse to bring in a monitor can keep one eye on the [TS]
00:20:47 ◼ ► We're going to going to paint a picture right and our words are worth a thousand pictures. [TS]
00:20:53 ◼ ► Yes So let's do this right I have some items I haven't actually planned order I'm going to show you them later [TS]
00:21:05 ◼ ► OK I know you've got to sort of save the best for last. But you're not going to do it. [TS]
00:21:20 ◼ ► I'm also starting with bit of a bank because Greg you have been to the Royal Society before with me [TS]
00:21:28 ◼ ► Yes Yes And we talked about this we talked about this we went down into the archives. [TS]
00:21:33 ◼ ► You normally a pretty located you not I who likes being photographed from my experience and [TS]
00:21:50 ◼ ► So this is clearly an item that means something and we've got it now so all of us are going to go and get it [TS]
00:21:56 ◼ ► and I'm going to put it on the table and I'm going to reset the camera so the pain. [TS]
00:22:08 ◼ ► That's a Brady doing in the meantime though I'm very thirsty. I'm going to grab a quick drink of water. [TS]
00:22:15 ◼ ► But the protest here is that if you have valuable items you don't keep water in any place they could ever spill on them [TS]
00:22:21 ◼ ► so we have water physically separated from all of the objects where we have today. I'm going to get my water. [TS]
00:22:32 ◼ ► Talk us through what the colors want to own what it looks like trying to picture with your famous therapy voice. [TS]
00:22:46 ◼ ► I remember when we walked in the room we were more impressed by those books than were in a room full of the painting [TS]
00:22:50 ◼ ► and I remember we evolved in human life that bookstand you never know what catches the eye [TS]
00:22:59 ◼ ► but yet we have a bookstand which is one of those kind of fancy ones where you can have a book open to two pages at [TS]
00:23:06 ◼ ► once the kind of thing that's in a museum where the book is tilted forward so that onlookers can gaze upon the [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► magnificence of the book. And on this book stand we have a very old looking hand book. [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► If you breeze touching it right now you're allowed to touch it where that touch it and we had [TS]
00:23:30 ◼ ► So anyone who thinks we should there's an automated one for which we will wear gloves. [TS]
00:23:33 ◼ ► No yet but for this item we're told no gloves is better because we're going to leaf through the pages and if you try [TS]
00:23:39 ◼ ► and leaf through pages wearing gloves that increases the likelihood that you do something clumsy [TS]
00:23:44 ◼ ► and rip the page to the archivists prefer not to wear gloves when dealing with an out of not this. [TS]
00:23:52 ◼ ► but continue describing it so looking on the side it is the manuscript of Newton's Principia Mathematica. [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► Yeah I think that is not a not a bad way to describe it because this this book is the place where it least in my mind. [TS]
00:24:18 ◼ ► We're not going to find the print appears homework and I think this is you getting things done. [TS]
00:24:31 ◼ ► I hope they can get the author so the print kit is the place where I would describe it as physics kind of became like a [TS]
00:24:42 ◼ ► real grown up science because it's the place where instead of just describing like we are now with words the physical [TS]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and this is the kind of state of science before this which is good is better than nothing. [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► But the is the place where Isaac Newton brought the power of mathematics to bear upon lots of problems with motion in [TS]
00:25:22 ◼ ► I mean someone else co-invented it at the same time this is this is the way ideas work. [TS]
00:25:26 ◼ ► But I think Newton also independently came up with calculus and applied it to the science of how objects move. [TS]
00:25:34 ◼ ► If you learn physics today the subject of kinematics is where you tend to start that's where real physics begins you [TS]
00:25:41 ◼ ► learn the all the physics students out there will know very well memorizing the kinematic equations the five of them [TS]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and having to isolate one of the variables all of that kind of stuff falls out of the printer. [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► And that that is where physics really starts in my mind. And Dave you have summed it up beautifully. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► This is no ordinary print get together. Let me tell you about this one. So this is the manuscript. So it's handwritten. [TS]
00:26:07 ◼ ► Isaac Newton's manuscript handwritten this kind of like the final draft before it was printed. [TS]
00:26:17 ◼ ► and the composite is for them to then make sort of a type set up proper printed copy. [TS]
00:26:33 ◼ ► Now these one hand written by Isaac Newton himself because apparently Isaac Newton had pretty shoddy handwriting [TS]
00:26:39 ◼ ► and he had an assistant code Humphrey Newton it's ambiguous as to whether or not he's a relation [TS]
00:26:48 ◼ ► But Humphrey Newton wrote this for Sir Isaac Newton who has and he has much better handwriting than Sir Isaac [TS]
00:26:56 ◼ ► but apparently Isaac Newton was always a bit pissed off about continuing because apparently he didn't know much about [TS]
00:27:02 ◼ ► physics and mathematics so I had no idea what he was writing about and I imagine that would limit so index right. [TS]
00:27:10 ◼ ► But the thing that's really special about this is because this is what the final draft you see along the way here in [TS]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Occasionally you see things that have been crossed out little little notes here and there. [TS]
00:27:27 ◼ ► You also see some prints in key thumb prints are probably from the composers who are working in the printing press [TS]
00:27:33 ◼ ► putting it together you still write you still see all these messy thumbprints everywhere but the handwritten notes [TS]
00:27:39 ◼ ► and the corrections by the hand of two people one of them is so Edmund Halley of Halley's Comet fame who was the man [TS]
00:27:49 ◼ ► who was really instrumental in convincing Isaac Newton that man you need to get this thing published [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► and it was a good friend of Newton. So how he's made a few little comments and corrections. [TS]
00:28:03 ◼ ► So Isaac Newton himself say Sir Isaac Newton himself has written notes all over to stop to look at some spilled in life [TS]
00:28:17 ◼ ► and musty it seems so alive to me in many ways you know like oh of course I mean this is is it is interesting to have [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► and for me turn a few pages you should have written that is for me I have this particular feeling about history that it [TS]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and the particular great fingerprints everywhere from from the the printer you get the feeling of like this guy in a [TS]
00:29:00 ◼ ► workshop somewhere you know with like an apron like constantly rubbing his hands on his apron God We gotta change this [TS]
00:29:18 ◼ ► and other scientists are the truly important figures in history because they are the ones who advanced civilization [TS]
00:29:33 ◼ ► You would just always have different kings battling over territory in the mud forever using rocks and sticks [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► when you have advancements made that's how things get better that's how things improve [TS]
00:29:51 ◼ ► and so I look at a lot of what people tend to focus on as History of like minor details that fall out of scientific [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Pickle progress so that's why this to me is like is an amazing document to actually be able to touch with my hands like [TS]
00:30:08 ◼ ► I'm doing right now because Isaac Newton touched it at one point so that does that look at this as it's been crossed [TS]
00:30:13 ◼ ► out in the words re written and things like that all the way through from the ME for one thing in particular [TS]
00:30:21 ◼ ► It is it is quite volume one of three thing I don't quite understand though I do understand because you just said so [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► and the polished final version with all the corrections without the mistakes and without the thumb print exists [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► and for years I would've thought maybe that's all that matters as long as the knowledge is transferred down the [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► and how it's been built on why the thumb prints in the in the McInnes appeals to me is not a side of your personality I [TS]
00:30:51 ◼ ► hear you talk about much that kind of that kind of behind the scenes away that it was made a sort of I always think of [TS]
00:31:02 ◼ ► when you finish it because I don't I don't know I don't want to see how you can I don't see how you made the sausage I [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and if I had to pick two we get to keep the original book or have the knowledge be transferred. [TS]
00:31:19 ◼ ► This is an extraordinary page look at this so all the right hand facing pages have sort of the manuscript on it with [TS]
00:31:26 ◼ ► little notes next to it but occasionally on these left hand pages that have been left blank. [TS]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and we can turn to one page which is just got a whole bunch of equations on a little sums that are being done on actual [TS]
00:31:45 ◼ ► or some some early variant of them like this is this is this looks like the gravitational force calculation this is an [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► interesting thing very interesting to think it's pretty exciting. It's pretty exciting to me. [TS]
00:31:55 ◼ ► It's all that the ink is flaking off almost and some of these some of these a dish. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Ins that have been made it's such an honor to be allowed to look at this and be left open with this is one time [TS]
00:32:08 ◼ ► So I'm going to turn the book around here so it so that those who are looking at the camera can see it this is the [TS]
00:32:13 ◼ ► handwriting of Isaac Newton because Casey was very familiar with Newton's handwriting [TS]
00:32:18 ◼ ► and basically he's written James the second by the grace of God to king of so he's writing some sort of Croly Brown [TS]
00:32:25 ◼ ► nosey about there about the king that obvious right and he's like he's drafting what he wants to write when he wants [TS]
00:32:31 ◼ ► and he's just stopped midway through like he stopped writing in the let's let's hand writing you know making another [TS]
00:32:36 ◼ ► note on the on the side they're writing about the king you know that's a good politicking [TS]
00:32:49 ◼ ► We weren't read any of it take it up believe it's probably written in Latin. I haven't even looked. [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► Yeah I can't read any of that I was trying to see I mean there's a few things that pop out like I can see the words [TS]
00:32:58 ◼ ► angular momentum even if we could read it it could be very hard to understand or follow these old documents even [TS]
00:33:06 ◼ ► when they are written in English. Henry and I'm rubbish at reading them. I really am. [TS]
00:33:12 ◼ ► Anyway that was it because again because of certain kinds of people the language changes over time [TS]
00:33:19 ◼ ► Like once I sort of see through the handwriting this isn't a good example because in Latin [TS]
00:33:24 ◼ ► but once I see through the handwriting of these old documents here they're all sorry I thought the language quiet I [TS]
00:33:32 ◼ ► I just can't see through the hand and I think I think I'm better at reading handwriting anyway [TS]
00:33:36 ◼ ► but I would never write in person rescript know if you know I you know write all capital letters. [TS]
00:33:42 ◼ ► My natural hair I think you know that however the capital letters. Just all the time. [TS]
00:33:53 ◼ ► Yes but I stopped when I was in about year five SCO and if you see my writing in like normal. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Normal not capitalize letters it looks like a year five student writing like my handwriting is frozen in time. [TS]
00:34:07 ◼ ► or just normal rushing it looks like a little kid where's my at out writing my whole capitals is is unusual [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► but it looks like an adult writer. It's all caps do you hold the pen just with the fist on the claw right. [TS]
00:34:29 ◼ ► It's quite an object to start with the thing though I always think about with this kind of amazing [TS]
00:34:36 ◼ ► when you deal in the world of physics and mathematics is just how how long lasting it is [TS]
00:34:43 ◼ ► and so it is in this calculus in these equations that were used in no small part to put a man on the moon. [TS]
00:34:54 ◼ ► And I always find that remarkable that you think oh someone did did work a couple hundred years ago and it's true [TS]
00:35:04 ◼ ► and it is a useful and you can use it a couple hundred years later to accomplish something. It's just very impressive. [TS]
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00:38:46 ◼ ► My very first thought was which of embarrassing is oh it looks just like the maps in The Lord Of The Rings as I say the [TS]
00:38:53 ◼ ► map is a secondary banking when I was talking with case I want to find things that I thought what a pity. [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► but we have got a flag here this is actually a flag that's been featured on objectivity which is a channel [TS]
00:39:10 ◼ ► but which is a channel I do all about objects you know side effects some people may be familiar with this. [TS]
00:39:22 ◼ ► and as you can say you've been through some challenges the day like there's not a whole lot of it left. [TS]
00:39:39 ◼ ► I am not the Union it's the union jack or the union flag or whatever you want to call it [TS]
00:39:47 ◼ ► It's a Union Jack right there on the on the label itself it's going to say I'm trying to think that you can read the [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► A raised by advance party in one nine hundred fifty six taken down third September one nine hundred fifty seven Look at [TS]
00:40:08 ◼ ► and penguins in the one thing that there's a hell of Internet perfect stone so as great as told you this was a Union [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► It is the Royal Society sent a science expedition down this flag flew above the base there for well we say there was [TS]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and a half a year so this gray gives you an idea what happens to a flag exactly a year flapping in the Antarctic wind [TS]
00:40:41 ◼ ► and it looks like a well my Atlantic nights well stitched and it's like it's a real it's a good flag [TS]
00:40:46 ◼ ► but it has really just it's just been taken to town by the wind though as it happens the flags the if you're looking at [TS]
00:41:01 ◼ ► but then as you go toward the side that flaps in the wind it's just gotten torn to shreds and the weight is but the [TS]
00:41:12 ◼ ► but I believe that that that snapping sound from Flags is partly a result of that under the right circumstances it's [TS]
00:41:22 ◼ ► Yeah and that's why it gets so frayed at the end is that you don't know you know is flag is just up [TS]
00:41:27 ◼ ► and just up there in the wind but it's actually under a lot of stress and strain at the very edge. [TS]
00:41:32 ◼ ► So that's why five minute looking looking pretty rough and I imagine Antarctica has some pretty strong winds. [TS]
00:41:51 ◼ ► and where the flag flow as Grey said this map looks just like a lot of the things about it is the writing on it could [TS]
00:41:57 ◼ ► not be more Lord Of The Rings and a nice little. On the map is someone's drawn like a little while in the sea. [TS]
00:42:08 ◼ ► and I've written next to it while blowing October thirty one nineteen fifty six so there was a sort of glowing [TS]
00:42:15 ◼ ► when they decided that was worthy of going on the map although I don't imagine that's a particularly permanent fixture [TS]
00:42:21 ◼ ► but you have all of the space which is just going to be the water so you might as well fill it with things that you see [TS]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and I do like that they have done an adorable little like a child would draw the water coming out of the top of the [TS]
00:42:34 ◼ ► but there are a few other touches on the map that do give it that Lord Of The Rings feel like there's talking about [TS]
00:42:39 ◼ ► distant cliffs writings like that say well I'll take some extra pictures of this map [TS]
00:42:44 ◼ ► and put it in the show tonight so people can really absorb it the way we're absorbing it as a big one you know the [TS]
00:42:50 ◼ ► whole portfolio. It looks like you're carrying over for a book and mean it's as big as your torso and book is huge. [TS]
00:43:03 ◼ ► when I was preparing for today I really wanted to make it more about you than me so I was I was sort of saying to case [TS]
00:43:11 ◼ ► that fun things will be of interest to grow and I was thinking of you know your Piccolo's interests [TS]
00:43:18 ◼ ► and I had a name on the side which said Matthew Flinders which is a name that will mean nothing to you means nothing [TS]
00:43:31 ◼ ► and particularly South astride was named after Flinders because he was an explorer who discovered a lot of that part of [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► this trial or you know did a lot of the early me he discovered it in the in the white man's sense of the word and [TS]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and I can even get into debates about who found what first but Flinders did a lot of the mapping of the strata. [TS]
00:43:50 ◼ ► So I said kind of a quick look at that book just for personal interest. Massive book case got it out. [TS]
00:43:55 ◼ ► He opened up to a particular page and by luck he opened up to the page that I've opened up. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► So here and I looked it up and I've never I cannot tell you the emotions this made me feel this. [TS]
00:44:07 ◼ ► This sent chills down my spine and I have the excitement I felt was something quite extraordinary [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and I came to where the water so the water is through the water is your side has the land at the bottom of a strike. [TS]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and here where my finger is is where Adelaide of the city I'm from is now located. [TS]
00:44:42 ◼ ► But this is the first time anyone has ever gone there whole parts of the coast for example this is a famous island here [TS]
00:44:49 ◼ ► called Kangaroo Island this island hasn't even been fully mapped it's like there's a map sort of got pieces missing [TS]
00:44:56 ◼ ► where they ashame mandible Bay This is like my home been discovered for the first time and nothing nothing's there [TS]
00:45:07 ◼ ► and he says he's writing down what he's saying for the first time on this peninsula here where there is now the huge [TS]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and he's writing notes about the things that he's saying like oh I saw a fire here obviously you know some of the [TS]
00:45:25 ◼ ► natives we have originates were lighting fires because this is a guy on a plane whether the kind of people Aboriginal [TS]
00:45:35 ◼ ► and most exciting ago overlooking the city of Adelaide is a you could call it a mountain maybe this is a very large [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► over the mountains called Mount Lofty on top of a step on top of the television towers broadcast into Adelaide [TS]
00:45:53 ◼ ► I cannot conduct five I'd like and here he's seen it for the first time and given the name Mt Lofty like. [TS]
00:46:11 ◼ ► and then I did say this has to be on the podcast America is going to have is going to have nothing to say about it. [TS]
00:46:22 ◼ ► Tell me why does it make you really emotional comics but I I'm looking at you right now [TS]
00:46:29 ◼ ► A comics plane I mean a stranger hasn't even on the metrics as terrorists trial is a strike isn't even named yet it's [TS]
00:46:38 ◼ ► This map has become like the back of my hand like if there's any map I know it's South Australia my home state [TS]
00:46:47 ◼ ► and here it is still being half drawn for the first time like it's not even I don't even know what today it looks like [TS]
00:46:54 ◼ ► the main thing to me I wish you were mad like right now because someone else from Adelaide we would just be here like [TS]
00:47:04 ◼ ► and that's why I wish this is where I always wish I was a better interviewer because I was loved I would love to be [TS]
00:47:12 ◼ ► I can't you asked there's nothing wrong with us you know you said you are the perfect Western What do you feel why do [TS]
00:47:17 ◼ ► you feel that there is just no words for I don't know it's like I'm trying to think of the nearest thing to is [TS]
00:47:23 ◼ ► occasionally when I see like a photo of my wife when she was like a little baby a little girl [TS]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and I would say that I was a little like oh well you know you existed you know like you have the whole you had this [TS]
00:47:34 ◼ ► whole thing like you would you want just a little you once a baby and rather this important part of my life [TS]
00:47:41 ◼ ► and this is kind of this is like seeing where I'm from as a baby this is seeing where I'm from you know in the womb [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► Sorry pop concerts and there's like a mountain range and there's a thin plain of land and then. [TS]
00:48:02 ◼ ► This is just a huge city now and and here Matthew Flinders is sailing up into the Gulf of St Vincent [TS]
00:48:13 ◼ ► and although I think I see some smoke over there from not probably the natives launching a fire [TS]
00:48:21 ◼ ► But one day this will be home to the mighty Blackstone is the muddy black stone which is a bell there with my fingers [TS]
00:48:33 ◼ ► but the kind of etching almost of the very fine lines that are making of all the details of the mountains [TS]
00:48:40 ◼ ► and the amount of human labor and effort that used to have to go into producing things like this. [TS]
00:48:49 ◼ ► I think modern people can't can't understand that that amount of time and effort and that's why you know [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► and in movies that have the medieval settings people are always really careless with the old maps right I was like that [TS]
00:49:05 ◼ ► or just slamming a knife through the middle that was like you know if you like your team of Monk because to produce [TS]
00:49:10 ◼ ► that map with so many man hours ago we don't just have a stack of them he has out of the troops because sometimes [TS]
00:49:17 ◼ ► or like a Hanna now Master everybody has agreed to give you the riches of by twenty map you know why you've been while [TS]
00:49:26 ◼ ► you've been waging this war the riches divide twenty events. I tell you a good story about this passage of order here. [TS]
00:49:33 ◼ ► Oh boy this is called the Baxters packet the Baxter's passage which sounds kind of really really really good anyway. [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► and that's what they use in explaining never make the rude things happen let's give up what the seventy's. [TS]
00:49:54 ◼ ► So it's only where this waterway between the city of Adelaide and this island called can grow. [TS]
00:50:03 ◼ ► Many years back when I was when I was still working had led a Southern right whale died and sometimes [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► and there was this whale floating floating there in this passage that fairies used to get terrorists across to the [TS]
00:50:21 ◼ ► So people didn't know about this because I got boats and you don't want to crash into a while [TS]
00:50:27 ◼ ► when you get these dead whales floating in the water is great white sharks which inhabit these waters. [TS]
00:50:36 ◼ ► So what happens is you get ten fifteen great white sharks basically just camped there for a week [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► Norrin on this while I consoled Norrin on about only two great white sharks all around in a circle like spokes on a [TS]
00:50:52 ◼ ► So this bill has just attacked and chopping away everything in the juggling much pretty much like like leeches [TS]
00:51:01 ◼ ► and it's not that common to happen in such a world populated area so it became a real tourist thing in tourist boats [TS]
00:51:07 ◼ ► were going out there to go and go and see the great white sharks not dead while that's disgusting [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and be taken out in boats into the Baxter's passage to go and watch the great white shark helicopters were going up. [TS]
00:51:28 ◼ ► and one guy who was the craziest of all he became like known as a national idiot he was watching on a boat next to the [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► and I stood on the wild which is like an upturn by itself standing on his big fleshy Wyo surrounded by great projects [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► national idiot. Now it gets better. He did it. Holding a young child like a baby he was holding a baby. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► It's because he just said it was because it was filmed by everyone and photographed and he became a pariah. [TS]
00:52:07 ◼ ► but it was so long ago that you can't find on You Tube on the Internet so it's kind of burned in my memory if I [TS]
00:52:13 ◼ ► actually say I'll probably be really disappointed but it was such an extraordinary thing. [TS]
00:52:17 ◼ ► If anyone caught footage of a tweet right. No known going to police that they would get. [TS]
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00:55:00 ◼ ► Now why do we have to wear gloves for this one because it's time for a porch corner. [TS]
00:55:11 ◼ ► and I'm actually because I do want to tap on the table such over my back that I should take him out [TS]
00:55:18 ◼ ► and making all kinds of Philly noises the Brady keeps giving me silent hand gestures to stop [TS]
00:55:24 ◼ ► So it's time for a walk in front of us is a is a box I'm opening the box and I'm taking out a small golden now [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► and this today you can have a look at me with that is that is a solid item you look at. [TS]
00:55:47 ◼ ► Yeah I was I'm just looking at it it's I was looking at the design of the watch face. [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► So the whole thing is very very gold and as the Roman numerals going around the edges for each of the hours. [TS]
00:56:08 ◼ ► If I thought I was getting a pocket watch I want a little bit more contrast between the hands [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► and the background like I want I would want to higher contrast for glancing at it quickly. [TS]
00:56:33 ◼ ► There's a famous painting of you really I think I should say here that came out of the painting. [TS]
00:56:41 ◼ ► Isaac Newton pointing at a coat pocket watch on the table and talk of what it was donated to the Royal Society. [TS]
00:56:50 ◼ ► Impressed I am I am very impressed and wondering is how accurate a pocket watch from that time would be. [TS]
00:57:00 ◼ ► Here's a better question how accurate is the claim that this is this is this is always the thing with historical [TS]
00:57:10 ◼ ► OK Even special commission to take off one glove to handle the hand of optional Hunter we're going to open up the works. [TS]
00:57:24 ◼ ► The thing that I was thinking was the whole pocket watch has a case around the outside of it [TS]
00:57:30 ◼ ► and in inside of it is actually much smaller object that than the actual pocket watch [TS]
00:57:35 ◼ ► and have taken the smaller watch out and I'm turning around we have an engraving on the back. [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► Mrs Kesse conduit who was a relative in care of us at noon to sell Isaac Newton January fourth seven tane I wait so [TS]
00:57:54 ◼ ► this is the same in quite promising the engravings seems seems to indicate that you're doing. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► You know that's a relative relative and close friend of Newton giving something to Newton on a date [TS]
00:58:12 ◼ ► and that is there is a whole muck from the watchmaker on here which will sort of gold [TS]
00:58:18 ◼ ► and jewelry has like the tradesmen market department stamp a whole market any Joyce any piece of silver [TS]
00:58:25 ◼ ► or gold you do have a whole month stamped into it and when you check the whole mark on this watch [TS]
00:58:32 ◼ ► when that face was manufactured which is legal in the know you can do it tell you that this watch was manufactured [TS]
00:58:46 ◼ ► So it's a fake this is bogus if you think why are we being so careful with the gloves. [TS]
00:58:51 ◼ ► Well it's still really really really valuable. It's still it's still a gold watch from the seventeen hundreds. [TS]
00:59:02 ◼ ► So let me put this up with not Isaac Newton's system in some ways in some ways the fact that it has gone all these [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► years purporting to be Isaac Newton's and is not is part of the fun of it as well sometimes. [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► and things like that in them so was taken as a story in a personality of their own [TS]
00:59:23 ◼ ► and I feel that way a little bit about this watch it would be better if it was Isaac Newton's watch. [TS]
00:59:28 ◼ ► But the fact that it kind of got it was donated to the rolls audience is watching this [TS]
00:59:33 ◼ ► and it was kind of promoted as this and treated like this and treated with all this reverence and then [TS]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and then the title of the tape is a bogus Newtonian curiosity at the Royal Society and when was this written. [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► This was written in two thousand and one. OK. He writes a big long paper I'm not going to go into all the data. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► but he investigated over things like the hallmarks in a case which is the watch part of self is hold on seventeen twenty [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Newton died in seven hundred twenty seven so it's that it was the watch was made at least two years after Newton [TS]
01:00:19 ◼ ► and then all sorts of other issues come into play as well including the change between calendars we throw. [TS]
01:00:25 ◼ ► Yes So some of the things to do with changing between calendars you know Gregorian and the like. [TS]
01:00:35 ◼ ► or even you wouldn't claim to perhaps sort of the seventeen fifties seven hundred forty S. [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► So presumably someone was trying to cash in on Isaac Newton in a same time I mean it's things like someone has put the [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► engraving on obviously some of that in graving on saying this was given to Isaac Newton etc etc right [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► You better just thing you're looking at me with innocent eyes of like oh I can't believe someone would a fake a watch [TS]
01:01:14 ◼ ► and someone would fake a historical object. Oh my. Well yes sometimes these things happen. [TS]
01:01:19 ◼ ► I thought this was quite a pity because you know his me saying out objects are pretty [TS]
01:01:29 ◼ ► and this is an opportunity for you to say the older something is the more chance of things like this happening fakery [TS]
01:01:42 ◼ ► but it needs to learn I mean I've got a hyper expert expects to spend all their time writing papers about this this is [TS]
01:01:53 ◼ ► and trying to trying to member I may have this book wrong but I remember reading a book a while back I think it was. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► All the men in the high tower in there one of the characters discusses that he he has like a cigarette lighter that [TS]
01:02:07 ◼ ► prevented through just accident like the assassination of a of a historical president [TS]
01:02:14 ◼ ► And here though I know that it's real because I have like the letter of authenticity that goes along with it [TS]
01:02:21 ◼ ► and then he pulls out a an identical cigarette lighter made at the same time at the same year [TS]
01:02:26 ◼ ► and he says you know well what is the difference between these two objects that like one has a letter of authenticity [TS]
01:02:35 ◼ ► But I can just switch these to when you're not looking and then you know do you know which one is which. [TS]
01:02:40 ◼ ► I think the whole notion of of trying to keep track of particular objects is a surprisingly difficult one [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► and keep passing them on because otherwise when things turn up it's very hard to know is this a real claim [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► However you like to pronounce that there's one thing we can agree on surely Hava is a great service for registering to [TS]
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01:03:34 ◼ ► If you haven't you better get on that. But even if you're doing things just for fun a cool U.R.L. [TS]
01:03:41 ◼ ► For example say hypothetically you have a picture well and you want to show off all your pictures and videos. [TS]
01:03:48 ◼ ► You could go to hava dot com and register something like say adorable Audrey dot net [TS]
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01:04:14 ◼ ► and wonderful ones like don't go to ruin dot plumbing dot cricket a favorite of mine. [TS]
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01:05:13 ◼ ► object and a huge thanks to hava for supporting the special episode of hello internet. [TS]
01:05:22 ◼ ► but it actually looks like it's going to be a collection of paper in your portfolio something like a phone book [TS]
01:05:28 ◼ ► but it is a book with sheets that are not like the ones taken a pretty stick like a glue stick [TS]
01:05:34 ◼ ► and as fixed a very large number of individual letters into this book these are an assortment of manuscripts [TS]
01:05:53 ◼ ► and I'm going to show you a real gem a look at this this is not what we're looking for the look is pictures of jawbones. [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► We're just growing scrolling through through this book and suddenly this very detailed pictures and jawbones [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► and it was like the focusing on the teeth placements that sometimes just is obviously written in about jawbones [TS]
01:06:21 ◼ ► You can see why I started objectivity because you come to the Royal Society for one thing [TS]
01:06:25 ◼ ► and you had me thinking well what's this thing this to fix like it's plants that are being thrown [TS]
01:06:30 ◼ ► and it was like a stem cross section you know flown flown down like fancy stuff. Once on the telescopes. [TS]
01:06:45 ◼ ► I'm sorry if Brady will get lost in diagrams and old letters so I love this. I just love this is what this is. [TS]
01:06:52 ◼ ► I could spend all my life just looking through these OK because they weren't living through right now is this all from [TS]
01:06:57 ◼ ► one person or this is a random And I think it's almost chronological so I think you know this is the stuff. [TS]
01:07:08 ◼ ► Eighteen eighteen no one so this is just this is just the stuff that was coming into the role Saturday night [TS]
01:07:14 ◼ ► and I want to so it's been filed to send to the Royal Society you know I did fun the other day a letter that someone [TS]
01:07:20 ◼ ► wrote in skiing for William Herschel's autograph I was amazed that people were asking for a graphic that that you would [TS]
01:07:37 ◼ ► and I don't know who looks look at this is some amazing diagrams and pictures here of an ear of the human ear stuff go. [TS]
01:07:47 ◼ ► Looks like there's some kind of device being inserted into the ear and drying a needle things look pleasant [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► and the needle being second in the air as wave has been your drum on the way into this office. We went past a pool. [TS]
01:08:04 ◼ ► and you have a little mental black We're not going to talk about Thomas you know this is a paper he sent in [TS]
01:08:17 ◼ ► and this is a by Kerry in that chair that Thomas young guy in eighteen I won the date written here at the top of the [TS]
01:08:30 ◼ ► And here is the lecture handwritten letter he gave what's called let's see what's called the lecture is titled on the [TS]
01:08:37 ◼ ► theory of light and colours. OK so you give this thing I'd like to be fair guys for a fair while rabbits on a bit. [TS]
01:08:52 ◼ ► and this is more Brady style than dry stuff I was thinking ten minutes is already Brady style. [TS]
01:09:03 ◼ ► Those sorts of propositions an hypothesis and and I'm not going to get you to read what it's about but I think [TS]
01:09:12 ◼ ► when you see the picture at the end you realize why this lecture was bit of a big deal this is a long long legs actions [TS]
01:09:25 ◼ ► where you wonder how many people made it to the end. His the pictures to go with tell me if this looks familiar. [TS]
01:09:34 ◼ ► The diffraction patterns will be light this is slits young of the young slit time who went on to do a double slit [TS]
01:09:42 ◼ ► experiment this is a single slit experiment this is the young who did double slit so anyone from school would know all [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Real to the world what he'd found what he was learning about how light travels so this is the first lecture on the kind [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► when light passes through a narrow passage instead of just going straight through like you like you might think it [TS]
01:10:20 ◼ ► You can observe that a it to fracs sort of bends around the curve bends around the hole ever so slightly [TS]
01:10:29 ◼ ► He's drawn and he's shown that he's telling people about it for the first time he's writing it with his hand [TS]
01:10:36 ◼ ► and now this is like for a physics teacher like this is you know this is we don't even bother with a single slit right [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► So anyway I just sort of been asked to show a physics teacher the moment that young gave his own lesson [TS]
01:11:04 ◼ ► and the other thing I love about this we're talking about how there are all these disparate papers [TS]
01:11:07 ◼ ► and one after the other you know one minute we're looking at a needle being stuck in someone's ear the next minute [TS]
01:11:12 ◼ ► we're looking at a plant the next minute we're looking at young telling the world about the wave nature of light. [TS]
01:11:19 ◼ ► The next paper straight after this young lecture has been stuck into this file is actually all about the discovery of a [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► So this is a golden time for science like I know everything I know science is always go out [TS]
01:11:38 ◼ ► One minute we've got young discovering this wave like nature of light we've got new elements being discovered like [TS]
01:11:47 ◼ ► Others agree there that that there are there is definitely a kind of golden age of science between you know the same [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► The reason why you can say that the golden period is because of a bunch of overlapping factors one there was an [TS]
01:12:07 ◼ ► enormous amount of stuff to still be discovered so that there was through to just waiting for those who were going to [TS]
01:12:22 ◼ ► and a bunch of other people starting to bring in more rigorous processes to how to how do we do science like what can [TS]
01:12:32 ◼ ► And three the things that were available for people to discover a lot of it is what we kind of call in science like [TS]
01:12:48 ◼ ► and a room in your house you could discover something about the nature of light that nobody had ever discovered [TS]
01:13:14 ◼ ► and spare time that they didn't have to tilt fields That's why do you think that that's a real golden age of science [TS]
01:13:24 ◼ ► when I was in university some of those research projects I mean they were even the stuff that I was working on like [TS]
01:13:30 ◼ ► teams of several dozen people who were working on it just like a very small part of one machine that was part of this [TS]
01:13:41 ◼ ► enormous facility up and up in Rochester that all told would have a thousand some odd people working on it [TS]
01:13:56 ◼ ► and I think maybe I'm going to scupper something you know that that work is. Have available in theoretical physics. [TS]
01:14:02 ◼ ► But that age of practical physics is is over I think I know this is something I ask you about before I can trust her. [TS]
01:14:11 ◼ ► but I know you know I always bring up things like what would it be better to be a bear [TS]
01:14:18 ◼ ► Now I know you're going to say to me sure as long as you're not telling the failed [TS]
01:14:24 ◼ ► but if if you were lucky enough to be you know a person of Mainz would it not be a better time to be living [TS]
01:14:32 ◼ ► when you could do things like Discover Pluto map a strategy for the first time discover an element like is that stuff [TS]
01:14:40 ◼ ► It wouldn't know what it is for someone who is excited by discovering I'm obsessed with Apollo and the moon missions [TS]
01:14:51 ◼ ► but for someone who has a mind like that would it not have been more exciting when all this stuff was unknown [TS]
01:14:56 ◼ ► and almost every few weeks it was like oh my goodness I found a whole nother continent. [TS]
01:15:02 ◼ ► Now it's kind of like looked I've now discovered that the chromosomal the protein that helps the soul daily since bit [TS]
01:15:13 ◼ ► The problem is a sense of of scale because a lot of the seven hundred eight hundred science is science that you can [TS]
01:15:24 ◼ ► explain to an interested person whereas almost everything is discovered in science now it's very hard to explain what's [TS]
01:15:32 ◼ ► actually occurring because the base knowledge required is just huge it's absolutely huge [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and it's why so many of the popular books you ever read on physics they kind of cover the period from like seven [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► and then we kind of stop after that point because it's just it just gets to be too much of like well now you need to be [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► And you're ignoring things like the dysentery and the horrible poverty everywhere. [TS]
01:16:06 ◼ ► If you're putting aside all of the reasons you wouldn't want to live in a seven hundred you can say yes it is for [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► certain kinds of people it may have been more intellectually satisfying to live them than to live now I would like in [TS]
01:16:18 ◼ ► particular I wonder about a guy like like a lord Kelvin who was a very scientific guy who was involved in lots of [TS]
01:16:25 ◼ ► different areas he was involved in temperature he was involved in the early Telegraph he was involved in a whole bunch [TS]
01:16:37 ◼ ► Like maybe he wouldn't have been as useful at CERN as like he was just the right guy with the right mind at the right [TS]
01:16:48 ◼ ► So I'm I am postulating that it possible that that would really be a dumpster these days. [TS]
01:16:59 ◼ ► NEWTON I think Calvin in particular is like Newton I think is a real singular. Yeah weirdo. [TS]
01:17:10 ◼ ► and I think what one of the side effects of of the kind of strangeness that he had was a particular sort of intelligence [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► where is at least what I've read about Kelvin struck me as he's way more like like a resort's old guy at the time. [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► They may not have been the smartest scientist in the room but he just had like lots of interests [TS]
01:17:34 ◼ ► So he may have been better suited to productive use protected and was productive in a bunch of areas. [TS]
01:17:40 ◼ ► So that's why I just science now versus science and are two very different things. [TS]
01:17:46 ◼ ► and back up what you just said I was reading last night a bit more about Isaac Newton because you would you were saying [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► So I actually looked up last night how did I die and it sounds like he actually kind of pretty. [TS]
01:18:01 ◼ ► Well I was having a lot of health problems over an extended period he was not supplying [TS]
01:18:06 ◼ ► and that's the thing you forget where you think I ought to be nice to be an Isaac Newton [TS]
01:18:14 ◼ ► Right because they were and they didn't they couldn't fix him because I didn't know how to fix people right. [TS]
01:18:38 ◼ ► I got one more awesome workflows workflows and one of the types of systems you very interested in. [TS]
01:18:45 ◼ ► I love voting systems you love very good systems where you think you have an object related to voting at the ballot box [TS]
01:19:01 ◼ ► Big big wooden very heavy voting box this is the current official Royal Society voting box I was going to get this has [TS]
01:19:14 ◼ ► but I don't think it's used for voting for THE PRESIDENT I don't think because I don't think it's done in person. [TS]
01:19:22 ◼ ► but I think it's more kind of business a thing so if they need to do a vote on something like Are we happy with the [TS]
01:19:27 ◼ ► annual report are we going to do this decision that if it's anything that involves bits of paper that they need to take [TS]
01:19:33 ◼ ► and things like that this is their ballot box so it's not a big slot in the top floating in the papers of course nicely [TS]
01:19:42 ◼ ► angled at the top to help the papers go in that that the nice little detail right not that of just having a flat across [TS]
01:19:51 ◼ ► OK So there we go a nice crest on the front with his the back and if we can these cases I think. Not turn. [TS]
01:20:01 ◼ ► Should I wait because in and then turns up is because it's like run a submarine right now [TS]
01:20:08 ◼ ► I haven't unlocked minute left to lose so left Elysia would be rubbish at reading an election or so and there we go. [TS]
01:20:20 ◼ ► and take out the ballot papers so you know what you know what you want about box you once a minute look official. [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► Now this this looks of it just as much better than sort of cardboardy once you see it real actions [TS]
01:20:36 ◼ ► but this is lovely this is this is this is great. You could have one of these every polling station in the U.K. [TS]
01:20:41 ◼ ► Pretty expensive. You could if you took voting seriously you know you definitely could if you take voting seriously. [TS]
01:20:47 ◼ ► OK Anyway don't be disappointed. Things are about to get a whole lot more interesting. [TS]
01:20:55 ◼ ► This is just this is just a ballot this is just a you know this is just to show you something to us to do is writing. [TS]
01:21:00 ◼ ► OK I'm now going to show you something or something before I show you this next autumn. [TS]
01:21:10 ◼ ► There is there is unresolved matters here which we may have to figure out and I have to get at it. [TS]
01:21:16 ◼ ► But before we get to do with what confuses us let's just revel in the loveliness of the art. OK Let me get a camera. [TS]
01:21:38 ◼ ► I'll try Think of how to describe this for the listeners what is asleep you know what it looks like it looks like the [TS]
01:21:50 ◼ ► There's a big circular opening that is facing perpendicular parallel to the floor. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► But there's no obvious thing to do with the US through the narrow it just says yes or no. [TS]
01:22:06 ◼ ► Above this big circular opening and there's a little drawer on the bottom which is also labelled Y. [TS]
01:22:17 ◼ ► and we will make a picture of a little on but I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to cast a vote here. [TS]
01:22:23 ◼ ► I'm going to cast a vote now on top of this box there is like a slot that's been a groove in the top [TS]
01:22:34 ◼ ► So for example it could say at the top there in the slot I could put a piece of card of something they're saying should [TS]
01:22:44 ◼ ► Do I want him to become a fellow and what I do is in my hand here I have a small bowl [TS]
01:22:50 ◼ ► and now with this tiny bowl I put my hand into this giant hole at the front that you described as looking like a [TS]
01:23:02 ◼ ► and have a little video I see where this is getting immediate You can drop the ball to the left [TS]
01:23:08 ◼ ► Yes it was when I put my hand in I can feel there's a little little triangle kind of sticking up in the middle [TS]
01:23:14 ◼ ► and I can feel a space on either side to drop a marble into yes or into now. Yeah. So there we go. [TS]
01:23:21 ◼ ► So if I decided I want I think Gray he's a good like he should be made a Fellow of the Law Society I would put my hand [TS]
01:23:32 ◼ ► I could just hit a little plop of the box that I would know I voted I would be held accountable Yes Brady did cast his [TS]
01:23:48 ◼ ► and that it is also anonymous yet because you can see which way the person drop a marble. [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► If we're quite here for a second I'll drop my bow to the left. You know there's the vote. [TS]
01:24:13 ◼ ► Right so that's how it how it's counted at the end. Very simple. I like this thing. [TS]
01:24:30 ◼ ► But here is the thing that I find interesting because there's another type of voting that I don't know if you don't [TS]
01:24:55 ◼ ► But overall if you're going to divide them into two screens we have light colored bow you have is a light colored ball [TS]
01:25:01 ◼ ► and there's a dark a black one black ball and they are different weights. If you're like All right. [TS]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Possibly but that's the point is some people may have heard of the term being blackballed being emitted. [TS]
01:25:16 ◼ ► This is another type of voting that can be done using something like this where you don't even necessarily need a yes [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► or no channel what you do is you go up to the voting machine with two balls in your hand a black ball and a white ball. [TS]
01:25:37 ◼ ► You put your hand into the machine go into the hole into the box and you release one ball. [TS]
01:25:44 ◼ ► And normally what it would be would be I will release my light colored ball if I want to try to become a fellow of the [TS]
01:25:51 ◼ ► Royal Society for example or whatever I want and you release the black ball if you don't [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► You then have options you could count up the yes votes for the large balls vs the nobles the lack of balls [TS]
01:26:09 ◼ ► and where the term black bold comes from is if just one person drops in a black hole. Sometimes I would like to people. [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► Letterman grudges to let it go if you have one black ball in the drawer at the end you're out. You've been blackballed. [TS]
01:26:25 ◼ ► You've missed out. You've missed out on your fill of shit because you got blackballed. [TS]
01:26:28 ◼ ► Right so this is the way it is a basically a veto threat on where we sail to do people that we're using to two black [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► and he's stuck ball right puts his hand in puts his hand in which ones are going to drop [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► and he takes you doesn't want to whine we never say that the ones who go I did I just [TS]
01:26:55 ◼ ► but boy did I took a lot though I would hope that you blackballed me because I have noted it would be a terrible fellow [TS]
01:27:07 ◼ ► or what I did you didn't like the thought I wanted you to agree about it I didn't even know it well that's not the [TS]
01:27:18 ◼ ► Knowing me I would put the black ball in the libel in my hand put my hand into the ball and then not know which one. [TS]
01:27:31 ◼ ► but because there's always a Brady in every group I thought it was a stand up bloke so the thing that confused me last [TS]
01:27:43 ◼ ► and I didn't figure out the answer I will though I've come up with a theory to know if we have this yes name machine [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► with a yes channel a no show and you can just drop the ball that people write down these two channels. [TS]
01:27:55 ◼ ► Why do we also have what poles and black balls. It doesn't it didn't quite make sense to me. [TS]
01:28:08 ◼ ► Either the machine can be multi-purpose you have you have figured out in half a second why I spent a good half hour to [TS]
01:28:16 ◼ ► an hour thinking about last night and that's what I think well maybe I mean I'm just guessing [TS]
01:28:23 ◼ ► My guess all this is trip my guess could also be you could use both purposes at the same time it could be so should [TS]
01:28:35 ◼ ► and he's got a past he's going to get fifty percent of the yeses to to become a felony. [TS]
01:28:42 ◼ ► So if he gets over fifty percent of yeses he's in but if you get to one black ball right. [TS]
01:28:47 ◼ ► He's also he's also out so you could have double the double the complication right the thing that was a reason why the [TS]
01:28:53 ◼ ► weight of them struck me immediately as I was one it is another thing that you could do with this. [TS]
01:28:59 ◼ ► As an old fashioned way of doing this but in in many situations votes are not equal. [TS]
01:29:06 ◼ ► We'll have the inner council and their votes are worth three times as much as the like the next year out [TS]
01:29:12 ◼ ► and then you'll have the bottom tier of members whose votes are maybe only worth fifty percent of the standard code [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► and you could use a machine like this to do with many corporations do where they calculate the way various people so [TS]
01:29:23 ◼ ► you could do it with a literal weight of different ball if you want to say to a telephone no take the balls out here [TS]
01:29:32 ◼ ► or you could do that as a way to approximate how how powerful these persons vote is endlessly endlessly interesting [TS]
01:29:39 ◼ ► that never never ceases to amaze me how much you think about ways of looking at the polls you could use the [TS]
01:29:48 ◼ ► circumference of this multiplied by you can do it by metrically as well as you know you can have them there [TS]
01:30:01 ◼ ► or you know there's different ways you could do it man you can use your enjoying this way too much what do you think of [TS]
01:30:06 ◼ ► this is an object. I think it's really interesting to see this kind of thing this is like. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► And this is the one they were using to vote for fellows way back not anymore if you sound really boring [TS]
01:30:22 ◼ ► They think there's this is just stuff that we need to resolve like their votes in passing yes or no [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► So this to me is a very it's a very practical little device and I think it's kind of cute. [TS]
01:30:42 ◼ ► or I mean this from from the side it's like a little stylized duck you know it's like a duck bill in the head [TS]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and then in school pictures as it was on the on the sides going to have a look at the voting machine [TS]
01:30:56 ◼ ► So that's the sort of where this is been an interesting interesting different day. Interesting. [TS]
01:31:02 ◼ ► Yeah that's not something you say when you enjoy something that's like if your wife at home and had a new haircut [TS]
01:31:08 ◼ ► and said what you think of my new hairstyle and you said interesting you wouldn't say that I hope. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► She actually she she literally just came home last night and asked me about the new lipstick that she was wearing. [TS]
01:31:25 ◼ ► What I said is that I am reserving judgment for the moment which means that I don't like it immediately [TS]
01:31:31 ◼ ► and she was totally fine with that because she's a reasonable person person I feel like the whole world is divided into [TS]
01:31:45 ◼ ► But interest is something that you can't you can't control and you just have or you don't have [TS]
01:31:53 ◼ ► I think I'm everything interesting I don't divide things into everything is interesting. [TS]
01:31:56 ◼ ► That's why to you it sounds like I'm just using some sort of filler word like. Oh yeah whatever you say interesting. [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► Our boredom and indifference is actually a little triangle I think is the way that works. [TS]
01:32:11 ◼ ► So I would say this is interesting because I have been interested in the things that you have brought forward. [TS]
01:32:16 ◼ ► I think you've done an excellent job in selecting stuff to look at all the thanks goes to case more [TS]
01:32:27 ◼ ► Yeah I kind of can't believe that you pulled this off and if this is happened relatively fast [TS]
01:32:37 ◼ ► and it is like to have lightning lightning speed all of a sudden I'm here we're talking about voting machines [TS]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and flags down in Adelaide we don't mess about. Sorry about that light section that was that was it's open toed. [TS]
01:32:48 ◼ ► I always I swear there were tears welling up in your eye having an emotional thing it's an emotional thing. [TS]
01:32:55 ◼ ► So so anyway I thought we might get some tears in the voting machine but you managed to remain stoic. [TS]
01:33:07 ◼ ► It's still traders talking but it's to do it's talking in touching distance that's me that's me touching C.D.P. [TS]