00:00:09 ◼ ► What do you Quicken on your mechanical keyboard about the how is quitting the pull of the follow up. [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Actually I want to pick something that is from a long time ago which is that we made a joke at some point about [TS]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and how that would not be a good idea it was even depicted in this case one of dove skis and Cheyenne [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► and I said there was a comment that was left for us on the Reddit which is terrifying to me [TS]
00:00:41 ◼ ► but it is from a surgeon who says that it is not uncommon for surgeons to listen to things like audiobooks during [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► and he had a rehab he laid out the rationale that what you're most worried about in your surgeon is that your surgeon [TS]
00:01:09 ◼ ► but I still find that notion absolutely terrifying that I would not want to know that while while I was under the [TS]
00:01:16 ◼ ► surgeon's listening to an audiobook I just I would be very uncomfortable with this piece of information. [TS]
00:01:23 ◼ ► But anyway so surgeons apparently do listen to audiobooks at the very least. But I still say hopefully not Paga. [TS]
00:01:30 ◼ ► I read this as well just before the show. I mean they claim they're a surgeon you never know. [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► The Internet and they call themselves a secret surgeon right. So I believe I believe their station. [TS]
00:01:48 ◼ ► and needing to have something to keep your brain engaged I guess other than the sage [TS]
00:01:53 ◼ ► or the secret said you did say this is when you're doing kind of really mundane you know same thing. [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Not when you're sort of doing brain surgery on someone who's you know three serious serious things [TS]
00:02:13 ◼ ► Yeah like just like you know she spent you know having having Lady surgery so she doesn't have a base. [TS]
00:02:20 ◼ ► So she'll be fixed yet and I'm ready unlike massively worried about already because you know she says small [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► And now I'm going to have this in my head that the surge is not paying attention so I don't think they go in through [TS]
00:02:39 ◼ ► the nose for the surgery. Brady I don't think are her breathing is related to this. [TS]
00:02:42 ◼ ► No that she goes under anaesthetic and I'm wearing you know I'm just worried and is that it is concerning [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Also I'm not entirely convinced that secret surgeon is not a vet because I don't know seem to be ambiguous to me [TS]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Can you tell from reading all the comments in the thread whether they're human or human and human surgeon [TS]
00:03:11 ◼ ► or of you know what vets and humans are jinns. They're both doing surgery on animals. [TS]
00:03:19 ◼ ► I'll tell you what the best thing about the whole comic this person left on red is the last bit you have to read the [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► last bit they write they where they say one other note one other note I arrived here via C G P Gray's channel which has [TS]
00:03:37 ◼ ► but now that I've been introduced to them I have to say I am amazed how I ever missed them they are all brilliant. [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► Kudo's made is that the part of the comment that you like the best you can read it and the [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► but you get you get a thumbs up from a secret surgeon that you or your channels and your work are all amazing yet [TS]
00:04:03 ◼ ► but I say they say for the past couple of weeks all my patients have been operated on by doctors hair and gray. [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► I really hope here is their gin that you are not listening to the pod cast during surgery it makes me it makes me want [TS]
00:04:18 ◼ ► to be very serious all the time so we don't accidently say anything that could be remotely funny to any human. [TS]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Think of them just imagining a surgeon you know with their knife in a precarious location and the like a ha ha right [TS]
00:04:29 ◼ ► and it and it plunges the knife into sensitive pieces now this is this is no good. [TS]
00:04:35 ◼ ► Please don't listen to the podcast agents tweet Gray if you're doing surgery right. [TS]
00:04:44 ◼ ► and their i Phone six in the other hand trying to awkwardly reach around the screen. [TS]
00:04:50 ◼ ► Let me do you know it's no good it's no good it's not. Anyway I think I could do it. [TS]
00:04:58 ◼ ► I have not probably could I probably could listen to podcasts what exactly are you are you that confident in your [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I can't I can't read if there's oil in the room looking for tv's Oh no there's any talking in the room I cannot read [TS]
00:05:16 ◼ ► There is definitely a linguistic collision in my brain if I try to listen to a pod cast [TS]
00:05:26 ◼ ► when people say that they are listening to the podcast while doing something word related or Yeah [TS]
00:05:30 ◼ ► or like computer programming some people say listen to podcasts while their computer programming. [TS]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and I kind of refused to believe that those people are able to do that I think they're just doing their primary task [TS]
00:05:42 ◼ ► really terribly and the thing about the surgeon that worries me is I've mentioned before that I listen to podcasts [TS]
00:05:54 ◼ ► It's like the visual side and then the linguistic side and is totally fine. But I. [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► So do know that there's a trade off that it takes me longer to animate if I'm listening to something at the same time [TS]
00:06:09 ◼ ► but I'm making a trade off here about how bored I get versus how long it's going to take. [TS]
00:06:15 ◼ ► So I still does worry about surgeons having any part of their brain occupied by something other than the person's guts [TS]
00:06:24 ◼ ► but not today I'm going to ask why animating is so boring for you because your animations don't move by that. [TS]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Did that tedious today but we did another day. If you want to do that on the day that's fine. [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and different people got wound up to different levels by that. Is there anything you wanted to follow up from that. [TS]
00:06:58 ◼ ► Yes this happens all the time when we do our pod cast that immediately after the podcast goes out. [TS]
00:07:04 ◼ ► I feel really riled up about all kinds of points and things that I want to talk about. [TS]
00:07:11 ◼ ► or two weeks later I often feel like nothing that happened in the past I'm much more willing to let it go. [TS]
00:07:18 ◼ ► I have like all of these angry notes written down for points I want to follow up and things I want to clarify. [TS]
00:07:23 ◼ ► And now sort of looking at them and I think I have one thing. Yes What do you want to follow up on. [TS]
00:07:28 ◼ ► And that's more like a question that maybe you can answer for me first time post very thing which I'm not a witch I'm [TS]
00:07:35 ◼ ► not a fan of and I did say that last time you were doing some amazing devil's advocacy in the last part. [TS]
00:07:48 ◼ ► I know if there's one thing that it is not it is first past the post it's almost like that's almost the definition of [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► He methods where you don't have to reach the post like the other methods you know where they distribute preferences [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and keep going until someone gets a fifty percent like a post that is first past the post so it's almost like [TS]
00:08:13 ◼ ► describing the opposite of what it is it's if it's the one method where you don't need to reach the post the name is is [TS]
00:08:22 ◼ ► and I almost think that maybe that's part of the reason why it's able to spread is because you tell people of First [TS]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and horse races are really unambiguous about who was the winner like all right the guy across the line first that we [TS]
00:08:37 ◼ ► but yet the first transposed voting system that name could not possibly be less descriptive [TS]
00:08:43 ◼ ► and it baffles me it absolutely baffled me which is why it's not me it's not even ambiguous. It's like willfully wrong. [TS]
00:08:53 ◼ ► Yeah it's that's what I mean. I feel like it is almost intentionally or or just through random chance. [TS]
00:09:01 ◼ ► Very confusing but confusing in a way that makes it feel more fair and more obvious. [TS]
00:09:06 ◼ ► So the worse name is the worst name ever with the code is that like old adorable fair puppy biting. Right right. [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Fair puppy voting is actually a box full of snakes. That's really what you voted for it. [TS]
00:09:25 ◼ ► Not really what I was going for but yeah it is why most of the time if you are a nerd [TS]
00:09:35 ◼ ► when people who are familiar with the systems are talking about them they will refer to it as plurality voting which of [TS]
00:09:40 ◼ ► course is actually what it is it is it is the voting system that selects the plurality [TS]
00:09:51 ◼ ► I know you love that word used low to last point custody but you really shouldn't. [TS]
00:10:03 ◼ ► Like if if you said to me I believe in prayer if you go to guy. Well I don't believe in plurality voting. [TS]
00:10:13 ◼ ► What I'm saying is what I'm saying is it's a word that not enough people understand [TS]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and they certainly don't understand it in that context and it needs a different name that is not that. [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and this is one of these this isn't one of these Brady come up with a new name things this is just needs a needs to be [TS]
00:10:28 ◼ ► something like leading vote getter or I don't know I don't know what the name for is [TS]
00:10:43 ◼ ► and misleading to a name that simply means nothing in the minds of most people that is an improvement. [TS]
00:10:52 ◼ ► So that's why I would still advocate for a plurality even if maybe the majority of people don't know what that word is [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► but maybe a plurality of people know what plurality means I saw a really cool calm [TS]
00:11:03 ◼ ► and the other current who made apologies for not crediting you personally I kind of remember where our store [TS]
00:11:09 ◼ ► but you know my whole leg thing for extra video footage which is not as bad no idea as you said because in some parts [TS]
00:11:19 ◼ ► of the world I've since been told it doesn't just relate to commercial transactions [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► and it can just mean a bit extra on the side. Your words always turn to mush. That's what happened. [TS]
00:11:38 ◼ ► So you want to do you want to different people for all kinds of media that they the little extra things that we put on [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► the hello internet channel should those be part of the app say sections is that what you want. [TS]
00:11:50 ◼ ► You get that grey you're getting I like you think and the directors directors commentary on D.V.D. [TS]
00:12:04 ◼ ► but you think this is this is this is the in the epic could become a little genre Yeah if you could have all sorts of [TS]
00:12:10 ◼ ► good yet giving up is the subject here that you want. Well it seems to be heading that way. [TS]
00:12:18 ◼ ► I think definitely I'll tell you what that speaking of that free voting like the most interesting thing the other day [TS]
00:12:28 ◼ ► and that was someone sent me in I think I sent a link to one of these sites that talks about defining new trendy words [TS]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and they were pointing out that it has been posted there in the whole history of the word had been written [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and had left us out completely and referred to people who first posted it here and there [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and destines video in a couple of other videos and we will have to completely and I mean that doesn't bother me [TS]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Are you sure it didn't bother me but since I tweeted that it has since been remedied anyway [TS]
00:13:08 ◼ ► and we do get we do get credited now anyway that I hope I am the one who is credited as usually here you know I have I [TS]
00:13:15 ◼ ► think I think you get a Fed chunk of the credit. And again I should get no chunk of the credit not at all. [TS]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Well that's one of the by the things that did make me think about something I've heard discussed before is podcasts as [TS]
00:13:38 ◼ ► You can't search them all really you know with a Google search and then popular and high profile those videos. [TS]
00:13:45 ◼ ► So if something happens in a podcast it's kind of it is caught anonymous even though we're posting these things on the [TS]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and they're out there they still kind of hidden in the hidden things and that is one of the things that. [TS]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and again it's so hard to find them it's just they're like they're invisible in terms of searching for something they [TS]
00:14:12 ◼ ► are totally invisible That is true and then I am aware that I have to go on Twitter sometimes [TS]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and ask people where on earth we said something if I want to link to a previous conversation that we've had. [TS]
00:14:31 ◼ ► but I still think it's it's harder than other sources of media to get people started in pod cast. [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► The percentage of the population who could potentially enjoy listening to podcasts is much much larger than the [TS]
00:14:53 ◼ ► and that is I think that might be part of what you asked me just about the invisibility of them like where do they [TS]
00:14:59 ◼ ► exist. Like oh can I go to the Web site. Well yes you can go to the Web site but that's a terrible experience. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► You really need to download this app for your phone and then search for the thing in the app [TS]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and then click SUBSCRIBE it's a bigger process than perhaps it could be in other ways. [TS]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and I made a podcast every day for three years telling your friend how much I love the color red. [TS]
00:15:25 ◼ ► And then one day I wrote one blog saying my favorite color was blue. That's all anyone would know about me. [TS]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and said he likes blow because the podcast as I look at it it doesn't seem to exist as a record the way that you've [TS]
00:15:41 ◼ ► Yes but I also think that that is that is the strength of it as well as we have discussed. [TS]
00:15:46 ◼ ► I feel much more comfortable sometimes kind of just chatting about stuff on the pod cast in a way that I would never [TS]
00:15:52 ◼ ► write some of the same stuff as a dedicated article on my blog because it is a very conversational nature of it that is [TS]
00:16:03 ◼ ► We're just talking about some stuff and sometimes we're saying things literally as they pop into our head [TS]
00:16:10 ◼ ► So I do also like the kind of low pressure world of Pollyanna thing versus versus writing an article which Yeah [TS]
00:16:18 ◼ ► when you write an article the presumption is that you have actually spends time formulating how you are going to say [TS]
00:16:22 ◼ ► something and though it is held to a much higher standard. It's like when not under oath. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Ever want to quote us to us or take us out of context like all of this is not under oath. [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► The thing with podcasting The reason they can't go massive Is that just such a time sink. [TS]
00:16:49 ◼ ► or I like a train trip I was fall behind on podcast completely and that it might just take some of them to listen to. [TS]
00:16:56 ◼ ► Yeah but you have to you can be doing something else while you listen to the podcasts. [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► Not many things but a few things to clean the house or whatever you know for a walk. [TS]
00:17:17 ◼ ► and so have to use a kind of filtering sorting system on my own pod cast cue to even do it. [TS]
00:17:25 ◼ ► but I still say that there are many many more people who have room for pod cast in their life than Then currently [TS]
00:17:30 ◼ ► listen to podcasts. Can I just clarify something else for the record and this is just one of those. [TS]
00:17:37 ◼ ► Me wanting to sort something out for people because since we spoke about it on the podcast I've posted the video which [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► is with this really is billionaire and in the comments under the video I saw a few people making little jokes [TS]
00:17:54 ◼ ► So no memory and reading some of those comments. I think some people mis understood what I was. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► So I went back and this into the podcast and I could see how maybe it could be misconstrued [TS]
00:18:09 ◼ ► but just let me say just so it's clear to people when I said he has first puffs of cigarettes. [TS]
00:18:14 ◼ ► I wasn't suggesting he sits there with a packet of cigarettes has a first time extinguisher Jose another one has a [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► first class extinguishes that's not what I was what I was saying is if you get interrupted for some reason. [TS]
00:18:31 ◼ ► when it comes time to relight another one like twenty minutes later he went really hot used to him he will stop again [TS]
00:18:48 ◼ ► but I think this is again an example of how as stories get told on the Internet they become these cartoonish versions [TS]
00:18:56 ◼ ► and so it isn't one of the negative all that he is now going to have the reputation as the man who only takes a single [TS]
00:19:02 ◼ ► puff from every cigarette that you have because you can't you can't fight against that that that is a certain kind of [TS]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and it's kind of funny like this game is just over. You're never going to be able to undo that kind of thing. [TS]
00:19:25 ◼ ► And also even if you say something is not true it sticks in the head like listeners how I'm going to say something now [TS]
00:19:35 ◼ ► but I'm going to say anyway I swear to god I'm not even going to put that part you know because you need to come up [TS]
00:19:48 ◼ ► with something else because I'm just going to cut that. Do you want to give that another go or not to go. [TS]
00:19:53 ◼ ► I like I like but we're just going to leave that in my editing hands that would use it if it doesn't make up. [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► That you editing it out for that very reason because even if you know something's not true it doesn't matter. [TS]
00:20:06 ◼ ► It doesn't stick it will stick. I love the internet I love the way that Internet conversations can unfold. [TS]
00:20:16 ◼ ► and you ever could in real life partly because of anonymity and partly because of a whole lot of other factors [TS]
00:20:25 ◼ ► and one of the one of the costs that you end up having to pay is this is this weird fact that just things get [TS]
00:20:39 ◼ ► I feel like that was it my whole this video will make you angry video was was about is like having been on the internet [TS]
00:20:46 ◼ ► long enough to see this exact same phenomenon play out in many different ways over you know over many different years [TS]
00:21:13 ◼ ► and then one day everyone is tweeting at me there's an article that just says it's raining millions of baby spiders in [TS]
00:21:19 ◼ ► Australia is this is this normal weather for Australia do you just get spider rain all the time down there whining in [TS]
00:21:26 ◼ ► the winter only in the way it always rains we had things everywhere this is you know this is this is just a thing. [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► Did you when you were little boy did you know my favorite books in the library when I was a little boy was [TS]
00:21:51 ◼ ► when the books of facts. But Michael Caine books are facts which now have just become the stickles obviously. [TS]
00:22:01 ◼ ► when you read those books there are always like you know in nine hundred thirty two hailed frogs for fifteen minutes in [TS]
00:22:13 ◼ ► or something I guess goes up into something more than we're just having this conversation immediately after the like [TS]
00:22:22 ◼ ► lies spread immediately fast so you better as trailing a spider drain into You Tube What do I get I want to see is [TS]
00:22:53 ◼ ► and it is of course spiders in Australia so I'm standing by my statement that Australia is full of spiders. [TS]
00:23:00 ◼ ► They definitely range from some searching going on for you going to find me or raining frogs video [TS]
00:23:15 ◼ ► and frogs as the main ones they talk about say the I am entirely unaware of this phenomenon being animals jellyfish. [TS]
00:23:26 ◼ ► Man I'm not a fan of the jellyfish that's my wife's Achilles heel was well they're awful I don't even like who decided [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and their numbers are increasing as the carbon dioxide levels increase in the ocean. [TS]
00:23:42 ◼ ► That's like my biggest concern with global warming is like wait a minute you say we're giving the edge of the jellyfish. [TS]
00:23:51 ◼ ► when I was in a strategist recently in Perth we were jumping off a little jetty into the water [TS]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and there were jellyfish everywhere having to jump into the gaps between them you know and. [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► We're going in the water and picking them up and bringing them up on to the jetty and playing with them [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► and holding them and also I mean I guess it's fine if they're not the stinging kind you know [TS]
00:24:09 ◼ ► but there were no good no you just you just find the horrible stinging kinds on the beach in Hawaii. [TS]
00:24:16 ◼ ► Julio you can't touch that because you will experience pain like no human has ever experienced before. Oh OK great. [TS]
00:24:23 ◼ ► Can we can we kill all of these things like Is there a way that we can kill them because I would be OK with that you [TS]
00:24:28 ◼ ► know how one of the things if you get stung by jellyfish is you pay on the person to make a go at it this is like an [TS]
00:24:34 ◼ ► urban legend I thought I was under the impression that this is just like this starts because some friends want to make [TS]
00:24:41 ◼ ► their you know their friends day even worse like oh yeah jellyfish man of war. It's a real shame. [TS]
00:24:46 ◼ ► You know we have to do now we have to be on you I think that's how that got started. [TS]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and looking at it this is like urban legend I have a Scientific American article saying no this is not this is not [TS]
00:25:12 ◼ ► It's very memorable that you're supposed to pee on someone after they've been stung by a jellyfish. [TS]
00:25:18 ◼ ► and even a statement going at now if anything we're just reinforcing people that's in this pot cast [TS]
00:25:23 ◼ ► and they'll come away with the idea that oh yes of course we're supposed to be on someone [TS]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Well I would not even if they know it's not true though just keep telling the story like a bit of an urban legend I [TS]
00:25:36 ◼ ► but then people forget the urban legend apparently is that they just remember the fact later like it's it's really there's [TS]
00:25:45 ◼ ► but it is almost impossible to tell someone a untrue fact and preface it with the fact it is untrue [TS]
00:25:52 ◼ ► and expected six months later they'll remember anything except the untrue fact if it was true. [TS]
00:25:58 ◼ ► If it did help would you. Someone pay on you if you got stung by a jellyfish. If it would work. Yeah of course. [TS]
00:26:04 ◼ ► Because it seems like getting stung by jellyfish is horrible so getting paid on by someone you have to have to weigh [TS]
00:26:20 ◼ ► If someone peeing on my arm would make my arm feel better it's like please Can everybody just urinate all over my arm [TS]
00:26:28 ◼ ► Right you get in a little circle and let's just do this right now because I want to die from the extra shooting pain. [TS]
00:26:36 ◼ ► If it would work of course I would do it why wouldn't I do it because you're the guy that won't like you don't like [TS]
00:26:43 ◼ ► Yeah but you're in a sterile it's fine urine is sterile You don't have to look at that stuff. [TS]
00:26:53 ◼ ► Let's say that we were having this conversation let's say instead of of if we can start a new urban legend now let's [TS]
00:27:00 ◼ ► say that instead of urine it was definitely that was the urban legend OK that's not sterile [TS]
00:27:07 ◼ ► and then now it's like well you know maybe it'll make you or your jellyfish wound feel less bad [TS]
00:27:14 ◼ ► but you're almost risking horrifying diseases and replication So you know the tradeoff here is not worth it. [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► But remember people don't Defra Kate on so much. Yeah that's just making the die hard. [TS]
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00:29:41 ◼ ► The stage for ten watches I think in the future we will look back at the fact people have got these potential watch [TS]
00:29:49 ◼ ► faces on their smart watches and think it was a bit silly. And what were we thinking. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Then I realize from the stuff that was done and I mean I went over a little bit last time [TS]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and over brings up the thinking of his phone out of my head now but to me one of the things [TS]
00:30:24 ◼ ► You know people used to tell the time by the sun going through the sky and then let maybe a sundial would come along [TS]
00:30:30 ◼ ► and I'm sure it was the daughter I don't like that shadow on the ground more sun Konica and then and then maybe [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► when clocks came out people who do we need what we need clocks you know what we need sand things for like you know [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Santayana's what are we to cook for you know we've got the sun Oh we've got you know I don't like this new technology [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► and then people I thought OK there's a new way of doing it and there was another new technology that's come along [TS]
00:31:09 ◼ ► when that's no longer necessary I don't see why you're clinging to it. It's like having an apple watch. [TS]
00:31:15 ◼ ► but it's like having an apple watch that just has the sun on the screen moving across your screen over the course of [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► the day you could do it but it would be like silly to be using the old fashioned way of doing things. [TS]
00:31:27 ◼ ► This might drive you crazy but one of the apple watch faces that they're not that's a novelty [TS]
00:31:35 ◼ ► but I think these cook faces are big done that that's considered like a serious thing [TS]
00:31:41 ◼ ► and debating about it talking about I think same's putting clocks putting an old fashioned clock face on this high [TS]
00:31:49 ◼ ► piece of technology to me is is like inventing the camera and using it purely to take photos of paintings or. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Inventing a video camera and using it purely to record theater and plays like it's using is taking a new technology [TS]
00:32:10 ◼ ► and just not having the imagination to realize this means I don't have to do it how I used to do it. [TS]
00:32:16 ◼ ► That last part is part of the problem that I do have with the Apple Watch which is as it is right now you can only use [TS]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Yeah so Johnny Ive presumably is the guy who has approved of the various watch faces [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and I really don't know if Apple is ever going to open it up. It would not surprise me if they don't. [TS]
00:32:53 ◼ ► But I really think they should allow other people to design different watch faces. Yeah. Does. [TS]
00:33:00 ◼ ► I mean I know this is kind of not the Apple way but like you know let people design their watch faces [TS]
00:33:24 ◼ ► Some people will come up with amazing things that just the people at Apple would not be able to come up with on their [TS]
00:33:33 ◼ ► And this is always the case if you know if you're looking at what one of the best watches that this group of five [TS]
00:33:39 ◼ ► designers at Apple can come up with versus what is the best watch face that tens of thousands of developers can [TS]
00:33:46 ◼ ► possibly come up with. The best one is probably going to come out of the larger group. [TS]
00:33:53 ◼ ► And so I think yes there are very many things that could be done to Interestingly show the time in new ways on the [TS]
00:34:02 ◼ ► And one of the reasons that I think you see so many people using the analog watch face is because there is really only [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► one digital watch face on the Apple Watch right now and it is hideous and badly designed. [TS]
00:34:22 ◼ ► and thought man I could never I could never use this as my watch face because they stick the watch part of it the time [TS]
00:34:34 ◼ ► And I think they do that just to make it consistent with all of their other novelty watches as they look. [TS]
00:34:44 ◼ ► But you can't put it big in in the middle because Johnny Ive says no it has to go up in the corner because I want to [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► So I don't doubt that a lot more people would be using a digital watch face if they had better digital watch face [TS]
00:34:59 ◼ ► And I'm kind of driven crazy by the limited options with the two faces that I have some kind of always switching back [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► and one called simplicity because each of them has things that I like I want to combine the features the best features [TS]
00:35:20 ◼ ► and the joining are things interesting because I mean I don't pretend to know anything about Apple or China [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and I wonder if he has sort of a say in this is his one chance to you know it's New Year's he's going to get to like [TS]
00:35:40 ◼ ► I feel very strongly that it is totally fine for Apple to have a bunch of recommended watch faces [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► but if they never open it up to let other people design different watch faces I will find that endlessly frustrating [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► and I just wouldn't be surprised if Apple says for several years now we're not going to lie. [TS]
00:36:04 ◼ ► I mean everybody like that just that just feels like a kind of decision that Apple would make [TS]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and this is one of those I mean I understand they can't have had it right from the start [TS]
00:36:23 ◼ ► but I just feel like they might never do it and I really hope that that is not the case. [TS]
00:36:36 ◼ ► but I I quite like the way the analog watch face looks. And yeah of course I could I could use a different watch. [TS]
00:36:44 ◼ ► I could use a different way of telling time. But I would like a nice analog watch face on my watch. [TS]
00:36:51 ◼ ► I think it looks like I think it would be interesting I think it makes people look silly like like like I feel like [TS]
00:36:57 ◼ ► going up to them saying Do you realize that like there are no coke so we gaze in that thing you realize like I didn't I [TS]
00:37:07 ◼ ► didn't know that that you know there's no gear than my I want to I didn't know it just seems it just seems a bit funny [TS]
00:37:20 ◼ ► I just you know I'm waiting for you to you can tell me what you think about it I mean just as a as a picture as like a [TS]
00:37:28 ◼ ► OK but I think when it's on your hand is when it looks silly when you see the whole head and everything [TS]
00:37:44 ◼ ► And I genuinely hope that you you stick with that other I don't know if that will happen or not [TS]
00:37:53 ◼ ► I think I'm speaking as your friend I don't think that you should ever get one of these I think you will always be kind [TS]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Now I've decided to Suakin M M M I know you shouldn't say this publicly which is interesting as well [TS]
00:38:22 ◼ ► and I know I really respond to game I find my fitness so you know I need you know all the calorie counting devices [TS]
00:38:33 ◼ ► So I'm doing that and I've got a whole set up on my phone and and it works fine on my phone. [TS]
00:38:40 ◼ ► But it does make me think some of this would be easier to watch when I go out for a run [TS]
00:38:44 ◼ ► or a war can things like that but I still think the phone does well enough that I don't I don't need a watch. [TS]
00:38:56 ◼ ► and I am someone who has been exposed to game if occasion through all kinds of various systems for a long period of [TS]
00:39:08 ◼ ► They're always trying to get their hooks into your brain with making you complete stuff [TS]
00:39:20 ◼ ► And I'm relatively immune to those things and I guess I don't know how long I've had to watch them maybe a month [TS]
00:39:33 ◼ ► and I think the real key factor is whoever Apple made the decision that the activity tracker is a series of circles [TS]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and having it then on your watch face so that you are aware of these open circles every time you look at your. [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Watch it's surprisingly effective and has a unexpectedly large staying power like an unsolved Rubik's Cube [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► Visually a thing that is incomplete and I think if you did little progress bars it wouldn't quite be as effective. [TS]
00:40:23 ◼ ► But the notion of like oh I can close this loop and I can see on my watch that all three of those circles are filled. [TS]
00:40:31 ◼ ► It's it's it's very effective. Now I'm curious to see you know six months from now is it still that effective. [TS]
00:40:39 ◼ ► But I would have I would have expected that by this point my brain would have already learned to kind of not care about [TS]
00:40:52 ◼ ► when you complete various tasks like oh if you're unusually active in a particular day it gives you like a little [TS]
00:41:00 ◼ ► And the horse things things I can I am never I was never the kid in school who wanted stickers [TS]
00:41:12 ◼ ► when it popped up on the watch I think I got the little badge and now it adds to my collection on the Apple Watch. [TS]
00:41:17 ◼ ► As someone who in school didn't really respond to teachers trying to give out gold stickers [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► But I do know from my experience teaching that stickers are shockingly effective at motivating kids. [TS]
00:41:41 ◼ ► and it was because I just couldn't internalize how much kids wanted completion stickers [TS]
00:41:50 ◼ ► when I did bust out the stickers of the stamps kids would kids would murder each other in their sleep to get an [TS]
00:42:07 ◼ ► It was it was it was like an ethical to use stickers to motivate children to do particularly tasks I couldn't believe [TS]
00:42:22 ◼ ► or there's what there's one stick that I know I'll never get because it's something about quadrupling your daily [TS]
00:42:27 ◼ ► exercise goal and I already started the daily exercise goal of being very very high very active life. [TS]
00:42:36 ◼ ► And I find my brain sometimes going you know maybe you should just reset the whole system so that you can get to this [TS]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and have good Drupal of your exercise activity just to get the sticker was like wait wait what do you what are you suggesting [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► grain that we do worse with regards to our health activity for the period of a month to get a meaningless sequence of [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► pixels on a phone screen and the brain says yes that is exactly what I'm proposing [TS]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and I make it look like I don't know I mean utterly utterly respond to that I was so into collecting sports cards [TS]
00:43:10 ◼ ► when I was young so I totally I tend to get those loops really plug into the completionist part of your brain. [TS]
00:43:20 ◼ ► I mean look at May I make a video of every element on the periodic table. You know I'm still like that. [TS]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Now once again that they will get the pokémon effect you know if you have one you have to get all of them now. Yeah. [TS]
00:43:42 ◼ ► when the Apple Watch comes out everyone's like what's this going to mean for all the glamour watch friends you know as [TS]
00:43:48 ◼ ► a going to have to you know introduce their own smart watches and trying to catch up. [TS]
00:43:53 ◼ ► And yet it feels like Apple is the one to pay. They're the ones who are trying to make their watches look like a Rolex. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► or a tank they're like they're the ones who are the who are the who are the the poor cousins they shouldn't be the poor [TS]
00:44:11 ◼ ► and saying OK you can wear euro dumb watches I've heard them called which is a term I don't like. [TS]
00:44:18 ◼ ► I've heard them called dumped on watches they should be turning their back and say what just with your hands [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and you second but instead they're like oh I don't know when you but look we trying to look like an Amiga. [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► It's like well I'm gonna just give those give those old brains a kick up the backside [TS]
00:44:37 ◼ ► and say that's just not how we roll anymore. Instead I think that are in themselves a disservice. [TS]
00:44:44 ◼ ► and some of the material that Apple has released it does feel weirdly like they are trying to prove themselves as a [TS]
00:44:52 ◼ ► member of the watch world that we know we where right up there with all of these luxury watch brands [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and I agree with you I think the smarter play is almost to pretend like they don't exist. [TS]
00:45:09 ◼ ► and who cares about the approval of Swiss watchmakers do they think our watches are good or not. [TS]
00:45:20 ◼ ► but it does it does feel I think your comment earlier has has a ring of truth to it to me that that like Johnny Ive [TS]
00:45:29 ◼ ► once other watchmakers to like his watch designs and and is like no just make your own thing. [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► but really it's much more it's much more the next step in the world of computing than it is the next step in the world [TS]
00:45:54 ◼ ► and I was walking past some of the early difference engines and I took a little picture of my. [TS]
00:46:02 ◼ ► This is progress because I really do feel that there's a much straighter line from the Difference Engine to the Apple [TS]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Watch than there is from a Rolex to an apple watch like they're just different creatures. [TS]
00:46:13 ◼ ► They're not even remotely the same. Like you sent me that image of your watch face a second ago. [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► And if I was going to describe it you know it's clean and simple and all the things I would expect from a C G P. [TS]
00:46:37 ◼ ► To me yeah I really don't like the hands and I don't like the ring that goes around on my watch face. [TS]
00:46:49 ◼ ► but I really want the calendar that I have on the bottom there that shows what I have currently signed up. [TS]
00:46:59 ◼ ► I can't get the little calendar thing on the bottom on the watch face that I actually like more. [TS]
00:47:05 ◼ ► And I see no reason for that. Thanks to all of the dot com for supporting the podcast. [TS]
00:47:11 ◼ ► Now last time I checked all of those listing more than one hundred eighty thousand titles in its range of audiobooks [TS]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and other spoken material that number seems to be going up all the time in fact I think they should have one of those [TS]
00:47:26 ◼ ► Now obviously don't need to sell you on the idea of listening to because well you're listening to a podcast right now [TS]
00:47:37 ◼ ► One of the things I really like about audio books is it can actually be a shared experience if you want to you could be [TS]
00:47:42 ◼ ► lying in bed with your partner or going to drive with friends maybe just sitting on a train [TS]
00:47:50 ◼ ► Either way it's really cool listening to a book with someone else because at the end of the chapter you can discuss [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► what just unfolded and what you think might happen next. Now one of the generals I really like. [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► and I've discussed this before is mountaineering I think there's something about that kind of narrative diary style of [TS]
00:48:07 ◼ ► mountain books that really makes it compelling as a listen especially if you're listening while doing something [TS]
00:48:12 ◼ ► outdoorsy itself. Everest books are always a favorite of mine but I also have to admit Cato books are also great. [TS]
00:48:23 ◼ ► and death on the world's most dangerous mountain by Ed Viesturs and David Roberts. [TS]
00:48:30 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure I got David's right this is a great mix of first person account and history of the man. [TS]
00:48:40 ◼ ► I listen to this one while I was on a mountain trip myself and it really stuck with me now. [TS]
00:48:44 ◼ ► Maybe mountains are your thing but no matter what you're into I can almost guarantee audible havoc [TS]
00:49:04 ◼ ► or To Vote dot com slash hello internet. That would tell them you heard about all of all on the podcast here. [TS]
00:49:13 ◼ ► But either way thanks to all the bill today they're big supporters of podcasts including us [TS]
00:49:22 ◼ ► Let's move on to the thing that everyone wants us to talk about. Oh what is that Brady. The F. Word the F. [TS]
00:49:37 ◼ ► We have we have reached a critical mass of different things happening and requests and tweets [TS]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and e-mails for us to no longer be able to ignore the what the people want and what the people want. [TS]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and play it out at our show notes for a long time I have had a flag corner with a few things that I wanted to discuss. [TS]
00:50:08 ◼ ► Now that it is time to talk about I want to start with what is the most exciting piece of flag news which is the New [TS]
00:50:18 ◼ ► Zealand flag referendum this is a no brainer for me I can't believe we're even having a referendum. [TS]
00:50:24 ◼ ► This is the easiest decision in the history of flag I don't know where you're going with this. [TS]
00:50:29 ◼ ► So why do you think it's so easy if they are going to ditch the current flag which I think they should they just made a [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► plain black flag with a silver Vanna White turn in the center. But that is their flag already boom. [TS]
00:50:48 ◼ ► I think the whole purpose of a great it doesn't want to be the purpose of our podcast [TS]
00:50:52 ◼ ► but I will say a few years ago on the Vexillology sub Reddit I saw someone basically do a kind of modified version of [TS]
00:51:06 ◼ ► and the instant I saw that I thought man that is just a much better flag for New Zealand [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and it makes New Zealand stand out if you are looking at a list of all of the flags of the world. [TS]
00:51:27 ◼ ► It's great looking I mean how familiar was New Zealand sort of rugby pedigree Dimly I mean I know the team is called [TS]
00:51:35 ◼ ► the All Blacks and they did a little dance the haka a little bit. Yes a little dances. [TS]
00:51:51 ◼ ► but I didn't mean me to say that it was that it was it was the the All Blacks being dainty and right. [TS]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Giving little spins and things. Everybody knows what it is they're standing in front of the Australian rugby team. [TS]
00:52:06 ◼ ► If you'd like to ensure decoder ring. Yes Shake shake in the churches. Exactly right. [TS]
00:52:12 ◼ ► First I first came across this on on a documentary that I'm going to recommend which is called murderball. [TS]
00:52:29 ◼ ► I really like stuff that I expect to not like it all going into it and so I was thinking oh a documentary about sports. [TS]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know if I have a lot of interest in this is like. But man was this amazing to watch. [TS]
00:52:47 ◼ ► And it is about these guys who have for various reasons become paralyzed in some way or other [TS]
00:52:56 ◼ ► but playing wheelchair rugby and I'm thinking like oh God what you know how are they going to handle it. [TS]
00:53:01 ◼ ► And they are just brutal with each other and it is an amazing documentary to go score. Yeah. [TS]
00:53:08 ◼ ► And it's a very I had to say that the whole way that it works in the Paralympic Games was very interesting that they [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► And so a team has a certain number of points that they need to distribute among their their players. [TS]
00:53:25 ◼ ► But I would like more able bodied players cost them more point wise which is their way of keeping everything very very [TS]
00:53:32 ◼ ► interesting. But I was actually in that documentary that the New Zealand team was doing the Haka. [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► This is just an intimidating war dance. You know it's it's a very it's a very impressive thing to see. [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► Anyway if anybody hasn't seen it I highly recommend murderball but that is that is now the entire. [TS]
00:54:03 ◼ ► Well I mean obviously the pride of New Zealand and they wear the black with the super fan [TS]
00:54:07 ◼ ► and I tell you why the New Zealand Government has got this website where everyone has like submitted possible flag [TS]
00:54:14 ◼ ► designs and we'll put a link in the shiners and you can spend hours going through all these designs. [TS]
00:54:19 ◼ ► It just seems like a total waste of time to me. I mean it's just delaying the inevitable. [TS]
00:54:23 ◼ ► If they don't if they don't use that as their flag and they go for some compromise which is half the old one [TS]
00:54:30 ◼ ► and half the black with the fan out there that would be a mistake the first thing I wanted to know [TS]
00:54:39 ◼ ► or what the voting this is going to be this is this is even more than looking at the flag designs this is the thing I [TS]
00:54:46 ◼ ► spent time trying to find out is going oh wow OK the referendum has been approved how is this going to work. [TS]
00:54:50 ◼ ► I think they've done a very interesting very good way of doing this which is step one is the website we're looking at [TS]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and I think if anybody in the world you don't even have to be from New Zealand can submit a flag design so they can [TS]
00:55:10 ◼ ► You can submit a flag design of I don't know New Zealand being attacked by a jellyfish [TS]
00:55:18 ◼ ► and then Australia urinating on them I guess is that what your black design would think it would more likely be OK with [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► that sheep jokes so easy you got to keep it simple you got to keep it simple for the New Zealanders. [TS]
00:55:35 ◼ ► There are simple earth simple folk across the Tasman the New Zealanders tweet Brady. [TS]
00:55:44 ◼ ► and just like we were saying before I think this is exactly what you want to do if you are having some kind of [TS]
00:56:01 ◼ ► What do you mean like they really are they just doing it so they can say they did it. We listen to everyone. [TS]
00:56:10 ◼ ► I'll get to this in just a second so to me one of the great examples of why you want to open up design competitions in [TS]
00:56:16 ◼ ► particular to the whole world is taking a look at the twenty twelve London Olympics versus the twenty ten Vancouver [TS]
00:56:29 ◼ ► and looked it up the London Olympics had some of the worst design iconography I have every seen [TS]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and a horrible horrible one eye monster logo creatures that were just terrified of him. [TS]
00:56:46 ◼ ► They were they were dreadful and. And Lisa Simpson like I was terrible to look at times. [TS]
00:57:02 ◼ ► and I remember you know as mascots let me pull up a picture just so I could see them you know God. [TS]
00:57:11 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that was I thought a little video that they were supposed to be these little droplets of steel you know [TS]
00:57:16 ◼ ► where you the U.K. Is trying to hearken back to their manufacturing glory days or whatever. [TS]
00:57:21 ◼ ► But the but I mean I don't think anybody could look at these things and not not think they are metallic. [TS]
00:57:28 ◼ ► One night penis monsters right like this. There's no other way to describe these creatures. They're horrifying. [TS]
00:57:39 ◼ ► and I used to walk by this store in a very populated area that was an Olympics store that was selling stuffed monster [TS]
00:57:50 ◼ ► creatures for sale for people. I never saw a single child in that store buying anything for the two year run up. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► That they had at their that store was abandoned all the time it was it was a sit down ding especially given given the [TS]
00:58:07 ◼ ► location of where it was so the No one was was just done basically by a committee of people who were appointed to [TS]
00:58:13 ◼ ► design the thing and on the flip side the Vancouver won the twenty ten was beautiful. [TS]
00:58:26 ◼ ► They incorporated like the local culture but that it also had this kind of Asian flair to it [TS]
00:58:31 ◼ ► and it was it was just great and my wife and I happened to be in Vancouver to the run up to the Olympics [TS]
00:58:39 ◼ ► But everywhere we went into the stores I thought I want to buy stuffed animals of all of the little creatures they're [TS]
00:58:44 ◼ ► amazing and I want to buy clothing with the twenty ten Olympics it's all beautiful and gorgeous and I looked into it [TS]
00:58:50 ◼ ► and the way the Vancouver process was done was they just opened it up to anybody and said design our logos [TS]
00:58:58 ◼ ► and mascots and we want to see what anybody can come up with and it was just a pair of two people. [TS]
00:59:05 ◼ ► or something that won the contract to do all of the design work for the entire Olympics. [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► I'm looking at them now I can see why that would appeal to you they look like a C G P graven stuffed animals in real [TS]
00:59:17 ◼ ► and they even put together very little animation stories it was just it was perfect I don't think there has ever been [TS]
00:59:22 ◼ ► or will ever be a better design to lympics than that one. It was it was astounding. [TS]
00:59:27 ◼ ► So so I think I think New Zealand is taking the right approach here basically by doing this competition of saying [TS]
00:59:36 ◼ ► Now even though you and I both already know I think many people have the idea of what the New Zealand flag should be. [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► You never know somebody might come along with something that was really amazing that nobody ever thought of that people [TS]
00:59:49 ◼ ► actually do like better but the way this process is going to work is that of all of the ones that are created. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► A select from the ones submitted for that are going to go to a referendum to the public along with including our Along [TS]
01:00:19 ◼ ► when you're doing a public design this is exactly the way I think you should do it because if you just tell the Internet [TS]
01:00:25 ◼ ► Hey internet vote up the four that you think are the best and we'll have a public referendum on that. [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► You don't want to give the internet that kind of control right because people will organize all kinds of craziness just [TS]
01:00:44 ◼ ► when you tweet what should we talk about on the podcast and then we just talk about what we want. [TS]
01:00:48 ◼ ► Yeah basically right where I don't actually tell people go to a site where you can vote on things [TS]
01:00:53 ◼ ► and we promise we'll talk about the important right because you're just inviting disaster. [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► Every week or even just just as a slight side note here very often when when you go to lectures and things and they [TS]
01:01:12 ◼ ► and they do that moment of oh we're going to take questions from the audience you know people have given it is a speech [TS]
01:01:17 ◼ ► or you go to a debate or something the questions from the audience questions from the audience is always just awful. [TS]
01:01:26 ◼ ► It's much better if you have someone who is a moderator who is going through the questions that people have asked [TS]
01:01:33 ◼ ► and then trying to select the more interesting ones. I have two other lessons for that right. [TS]
01:01:46 ◼ ► There are two things you should never you should never put a microphone at the front [TS]
01:01:52 ◼ ► and invite people to come forward to the microphone that assassins' attracts nutters. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► It doesn't attract normal people because normal people don't want to get up and make a spectacle of themselves. [TS]
01:02:08 ◼ ► and the other thing you never do is call on people who are wearing hats where people who are wearing hats always ask [TS]
01:02:21 ◼ ► This why a hat was it was your go to example we were discussing weirdo pointless and several paragraphs ago. [TS]
01:02:32 ◼ ► and then ask somebody political controversial question everything makes everyone in the room feel awkward as a member [TS]
01:02:39 ◼ ► of the audience you can sometimes feel that the moderators are bending the questions [TS]
01:02:51 ◼ ► or picks a good question that is representative of the rest. That's what you want. [TS]
01:02:56 ◼ ► So that's why New Zealand has had this committee right you don't just open up entirely they're going to select for it's [TS]
01:03:03 ◼ ► and I was very pleased to see that New Zealand is using a preferential voting system which looks like it's some [TS]
01:03:08 ◼ ► variation of the Alternative Vote where people can then order how they like those four [TS]
01:03:15 ◼ ► and they only have to do it as far as they want so they can just say oh this one's my first favorite this one's my [TS]
01:03:25 ◼ ► and then the winner from that referendum goes head to head against the current New Zealand flag. The Super Bowl. [TS]
01:03:34 ◼ ► Yes And then there it's just that this is the this is the only time that first past the post makes any sense because [TS]
01:03:41 ◼ ► it's identical to every other voting system in this circumstance if you have two candidates [TS]
01:03:46 ◼ ► and you need to select one you pick whichever one gets the most votes and it's a totally reasonable way to do it. [TS]
01:03:52 ◼ ► Yeah the two round thing is very interesting I think it it gives the current flag more of an advantage more of an edge [TS]
01:03:59 ◼ ► in the film. Because it doesn't have to compete against all of them. It only competes against the best of them. [TS]
01:04:09 ◼ ► but upon reflection I agreed that yes I think it is fair in a situation like a national flag to give the national flag [TS]
01:04:21 ◼ ► But overall I have to say thumbs up New Zealand you know that they did a very good job selecting how this process is [TS]
01:04:28 ◼ ► and I will be very curious following it is that fifty point zero zero zero one percent of the population triggers a [TS]
01:04:37 ◼ ► or the description that I read is it is just a straight First Past the Post or a plurality vote. [TS]
01:04:44 ◼ ► OK so if if the if the new flag gets fifty percent plus one vote then the changes made. [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► OK I may be wrong about that but that's the impression I got from reading through the doc [TS]
01:04:55 ◼ ► and I'm going to try him out my New Zealand and find out what the what the feeling is over there. [TS]
01:05:06 ◼ ► Is your friend a sheep I don't think I know that they do in New Zealand they do the three fifths for sheep [TS]
01:05:13 ◼ ► or how does that work. No I don't know they say that they're fully for citizens. Well well yeah very progressive. [TS]
01:05:26 ◼ ► How do you feel about this because the whole world can tell your flags apart. Yeah I'll tell you a story. [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► when I was in high school I was entered in one of these like you know Lions Club is so I like Rotary Lions Club Rotary [TS]
01:05:52 ◼ ► and each school nominated someone to be like they're like upstanding person and you had to do like all these. [TS]
01:06:04 ◼ ► and the final part of the judging was you had to go to the Lions Club meeting one evening and public speaking. [TS]
01:06:11 ◼ ► So you give a prepared talk about the subject of your choice and then you'll be put on the spot [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► and asked like a question you underpay for so I went there against these two either two [TS]
01:06:27 ◼ ► when the question time came the question was What do you think about this training flag should be striving for [TS]
01:06:39 ◼ ► but I think my overall feeling is we probably should change the flag but I looked out of the audience [TS]
01:06:45 ◼ ► and it was just all these old men like in their set in their sixty's and seventy's and I do my own eons. [TS]
01:06:52 ◼ ► I knew my audience so I went into this stirring speech about you know history and wars and things like that [TS]
01:07:01 ◼ ► and the flag people die for the flag and that which is like a really serious thing [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► and it was actually something that I'm all about in the end I guess if you think that's a blessing in disguise [TS]
01:07:28 ◼ ► and like I think I got like a check for one hundred dollars or something and I thought I was a millionaire [TS]
01:07:33 ◼ ► But the problem was because I won I got sent off to like the regional final against all the other winners small the [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► other places and these were people unlike me who were really good at public speaking [TS]
01:07:54 ◼ ► and because I had surprisingly one like my regional hate like the head of my school came along to Washington. [TS]
01:08:02 ◼ ► And in that when I got up on stage and I was asked some questions I was unprepared for [TS]
01:08:06 ◼ ► and I had no idea I don't even think I understood the question and I just died on stage and ID lied and the [TS]
01:08:15 ◼ ► and the other people the other students weren't allowed to watch until they had done this and I was first. [TS]
01:08:21 ◼ ► So I got up on stage and just died and humiliated myself and just just slunk off like a into hate [TS]
01:08:29 ◼ ► and then the other day I had to sit in the audience for the next four of super overachievers who each got up on stage [TS]
01:08:38 ◼ ► Time after time after time and each time I was thinking oh why didn't I think of that course. [TS]
01:08:48 ◼ ► I'd much rather have failed at the original hay in front of like forty people in a small room then on the big stage so [TS]
01:08:55 ◼ ► I got my comeuppance. The moral of that story is don't succeed and get the yeah you'll just be promoted until you fail. [TS]
01:09:19 ◼ ► I kind of think the thing is in the case of New Zealand there's just like an obvious choice like they already have a [TS]
01:09:26 ◼ ► flag the fact they haven't but the fact they're not using that flag is almost silly you know. [TS]
01:09:33 ◼ ► And in the case of Australia there's no real obvious standout contender other than maybe the Aboriginal flag which is a [TS]
01:09:42 ◼ ► and you couldn't really adopt a national flag because because it has been taken by one group [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► That's a pretty good one and it's a good flag you know it's very striking and it's trying to it's right. [TS]
01:10:09 ◼ ► but again it's just got recognition for one group so you know they're very important. [TS]
01:10:16 ◼ ► I mean some people say heaviest rain flag but replace the Union Jack with the Aboriginal flag [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► and I'm sure we're going to come out of that the minute the symbolic meaning according to the designer as this is all [TS]
01:10:38 ◼ ► and then the black is the Aboriginal people of Australia that these are the three colour elements of the flag of course [TS]
01:10:55 ◼ ► and then above it it should just show a cloud raining spiders down on a terrified population that should be the [TS]
01:11:04 ◼ ► Maybe maybe I mean I mean I would imagine if a study was going to change its flag green [TS]
01:11:11 ◼ ► and go would be that the sort of two colors associated with this tragedy of Australians. [TS]
01:11:26 ◼ ► No I know but strangely because it's like the colour a national chain usually wears yellow or green and yellow [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► and like the waterfall flower with the green in the yellows and a Strat in the thing [TS]
01:11:39 ◼ ► but I think it might be I think as sport teams tend to wear green yellow or green and yellow together. [TS]
01:11:50 ◼ ► but what do I know I mean it comes up a lot of strata rages on in these trains like it is a perennial issue. [TS]
01:12:01 ◼ ► and Australia is the fact of having the Union Jack on the flag which I was trying to look it up before [TS]
01:12:06 ◼ ► and I think the only other places that have the Union Jack that are nations anyway are Fiji [TS]
01:12:12 ◼ ► and two volume I think those are the only nation level places that have the flag that is not associated with it are not [TS]
01:12:22 ◼ ► Video people don't e-mail me talking about independent nations that still have a Union Jack on it. [TS]
01:12:27 ◼ ► I think those are the only ones. And also don't contact us about the use of union jack versus Union flag. [TS]
01:12:40 ◼ ► but it's too late people have already sent you messages saying you should've said you Jack as it was flying from a ship. [TS]
01:12:48 ◼ ► but you know whatever this is another falsehood that will just you know be there until the end of time [TS]
01:13:01 ◼ ► Like you know like I know one of them is right and one of them from both of them are right they are both right. [TS]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but whichever it is there is one I just kind of know which one it is is a little not well it is a left right that both [TS]
01:13:18 ◼ ► I looked it up with I forgot what it was like that with the Royal flag Association of the U.K. [TS]
01:13:23 ◼ ► or Something whatever it was like I got confirmation from a primary source. Blacks anyway. [TS]
01:13:31 ◼ ► So I was just having a pregnant pause I just felt like OK I'm sorry I'll give you a moment to collect your thoughts [TS]
01:13:49 ◼ ► and e-mails about this that I shamed It was a big like burning international story. [TS]
01:13:54 ◼ ► I'm now beginning to think this is just a little mana thing but it's just inundated Erinn boxes. [TS]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and I get the impression that this is I don't know what it's like this is just something that that someone made. [TS]
01:14:10 ◼ ► It's a student project is that what it is that you look at I was trying to find out precisely what it is it's a very [TS]
01:14:35 ◼ ► or you know if if we have a need to be represented as a whole planet rather than a nation what would ask like Bay which [TS]
01:14:44 ◼ ► and I think it is that it is an excellent intellectual exercise so to some some people are saying this proposed design [TS]
01:14:53 ◼ ► by the student. Some people why do you want to have a bash at describing at first. [TS]
01:14:58 ◼ ► OK So this particular flag for Earth to again to paint an audio picture for the listeners to buy three isn't a two [TS]
01:15:08 ◼ ► or three real standard two by three ratio it is a blue background slightly more more dark blue the light blue I would [TS]
01:15:15 ◼ ► saying royal blue maybe royal blue is an excellent excellent description every spot on and in the centre there are on T. [TS]
01:15:30 ◼ ► I'm sitting six on I seventy that's one of the middle seven so there is if you imagine a single ring in the middle [TS]
01:15:37 ◼ ► and then overlapping around it there are six additional rings. So seven in total and the rings are white. [TS]
01:15:43 ◼ ► You really need to look at this this is a perfectly adequate description sort of like imagine imagine a row blue [TS]
01:15:50 ◼ ► background and imagine the five of them big rings but there are seven of them instead and they're all white [TS]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and they're interlocking and they've been bunched into the center a bit more rather than spread out. [TS]
01:16:01 ◼ ► Yes And the way the design is done is to give you the impression that they are interlocked. [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► So there is their little cut outs around the edges are you trying to see like oh this ring goes over that ring so it [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► interlock in all of these various ways sort of a bar and ring with thing going on a kind of flower. Yes I can to my. [TS]
01:16:19 ◼ ► Yeah I can see it's almost like. Makes me think of the cow almost. Yeah yeah yeah. [TS]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and before we talk about whatever we're going to talk about what do you like your verdict on what do you think of it. [TS]
01:16:37 ◼ ► If this was if someone said this is going to be the flag of Earth from now on would you be angry happy so where would [TS]
01:16:44 ◼ ► you stand on this was chosen I think this is I think this is terribly boring design. [TS]
01:17:01 ◼ ► Earth is amazing and this flag I feel like it captures literally nothing that is Earth like or [TS]
01:17:14 ◼ ► So I'm just I don't think it is a bad flag design I think it's kind of a good looking flag [TS]
01:17:23 ◼ ► but for something else I don't I don't see how this this doesn't make me think of earth in any way I don't think it is [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► I went to it not wanting to like it and when I first looked at I thought I don't like it [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► And the more of the more I thought about it the more I think kudos my friend. Kudos ask Pat and failed. [TS]
01:18:10 ◼ ► I'm not sure it would be my first choice or would win a vote and I think there has its deficiencies [TS]
01:18:17 ◼ ► but I wouldn't I wouldn't like to leave the planet in a huff if it was decided that this was going to be a lengthy [TS]
01:18:43 ◼ ► and yet it kind of makes me think of it because although we think of it as you know things sort of very green really [TS]
01:18:50 ◼ ► from space it really is pretty blue. And this does look like a big blue sea with sort of a white cloud. [TS]
01:18:56 ◼ ► And yet the rings have a kind of an aspiration to them of sort of togetherness that we aspire to [TS]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and an extra level of organization beyond beyond just the haphazardness of nature that is symbolic of a humanity [TS]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and I think I think it's pretty good. I think it's a little bit finnicky day and find out maybe for a big flag. [TS]
01:19:20 ◼ ► I think it is a good flag but I just don't think that it fit for the flag of our earth [TS]
01:19:29 ◼ ► The overlapping this of the Rings is kind of where it falls down for me in that it's too it's too precise. [TS]
01:19:38 ◼ ► And he particularly for a flag for Earth I feel it needs to be crystal clear at a distance [TS]
01:19:53 ◼ ► Yeah and it's a perfect example for me is on the Web site itself if you're looking at it in the brown. [TS]
01:20:00 ◼ ► As Or I don't know if you have it open right now. I don't have open. Does your browser have. [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► If you're in Chrome you'll see the have the favorite icon you know on the top of the browser where it shows like a [TS]
01:20:19 ◼ ► It has to be distinct at that I think is like thirty two pixel by thirty two pixels. [TS]
01:20:32 ◼ ► when you start saying it because it's been on this Web site it's been rendered in various locations like an astronaut [TS]
01:20:43 ◼ ► and market was designed by the European Union like it does it does start to it does go a bit far down that path. [TS]
01:20:49 ◼ ► I'll give you that but you know the American flag the most iconic of flags is incredibly fussy [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► but a little like a little kid could never draw I mean we must have discussed this before I'm not a fan of the American [TS]
01:21:04 ◼ ► I think the American flag is way too busy and is kind of hideous You know like your work for America [TS]
01:21:17 ◼ ► and I know why there's thirteen scribes like thirteen stripes too many fifty stars I mean come on who are you who are [TS]
01:21:23 ◼ ► when it eventually get to fifty one it's going to be hideous for everybody who likes things neatly arranged on the very [TS]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and they both suffer from the same design problem in my mind of it's like too much too much going on on this flag [TS]
01:21:45 ◼ ► but I think if you have humans making a flag about Earth that they are planting on other planets [TS]
01:21:52 ◼ ► and using to represent themselves you have to have it be blue and green at the very minimum. [TS]
01:22:02 ◼ ► and if you don't have that I feel like I'm not going to get on board with your Earth flag there has to be green on it [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► I initially thought that and was really surprised at first when I didn't say green [TS]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and my thinking on that has changed and I think it doesn't need grain but I understand why you say that [TS]
01:22:32 ◼ ► Fair enough it is a flag designed by humans like you said I just think that it doesn't need that. [TS]
01:22:37 ◼ ► I think they're I think that would almost be a cliche because at first I thought clearly it's going to have you know a [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► global some kind of thing or you know round objects to represent a planet floating in space. [TS]
01:22:49 ◼ ► But then it occurred to me if all the planets in the universe had flags they wouldn't be planets [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and that's not that's not what makes us special and workwise like life and plant life and things like that. [TS]
01:23:10 ◼ ► Do the seven rings represent the fact we're where loosely arranged the seven continents I don't know [TS]
01:23:21 ◼ ► and I think I think the flag should project what we think is unique about us compared to what other planets may be like [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► as opposed to just you know being a planet if you want to be what's unique about us [TS]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and it should be a flag of a monkey. That's what's going to actually be unique about our planet versus other planets. [TS]
01:23:39 ◼ ► I totally agree with you that if we're having some kind of United Federation of Planets everybody is going to show up [TS]
01:23:45 ◼ ► with their circle on a black background with the colors of the planet flag and like oh this is embarrassing. [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► So I agree with you that the most obvious thing cannot possibly actually be the choice. [TS]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Actually we're going to run into other civilizations just like this doesn't work at all. [TS]
01:24:03 ◼ ► Yeah and that also does increase Incredibly the likelihood that they're going to be blue and green combinations. [TS]
01:24:14 ◼ ► That's not going to be an unusual color out there in the universe it is not an easy project. [TS]
01:24:22 ◼ ► but as I have mentioned many times before one of my favorites about it is the Vexillology sub Reddit [TS]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and one of the things they do that I adore is almost every month they have a design competition for flags Yeah [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► and they often just pick some kind of interesting in arbitrary contests of They'll say Oh make a flag for the Internet [TS]
01:25:02 ◼ ► I will put it in the show notes if I find it later. But I would love to see with the people at factual A-G. [TS]
01:25:06 ◼ ► Come up with because they come up with just great great flag design sometimes for all kinds of things in a soon as you [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► You've designed a better flag for read it and read it could ever design for read it [TS]
01:25:21 ◼ ► or yes this is a great flag for the Internet or yes this is a perfect flag for Antarctica. [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► I believe it's a great flag with the words high not because you wouldn't allow words on a flag. [TS]
01:25:36 ◼ ► Yeah because you shoehorn that branding in before we even launched so I never you approved of the logo before we [TS]
01:25:42 ◼ ► launched. Yeah yeah designs. You didn't have any alternatives. There was no shoe horning. [TS]
01:25:49 ◼ ► Now I know I would be very curious to see what the Internet can come up with with alternative flags for hello internet. [TS]
01:25:56 ◼ ► I do agree that the letters are the letters are problematic. Our show has almost literally no other design elements. [TS]
01:26:04 ◼ ► and I think I think how the Internet has become has become so big now that it probably even transcends conventional flag [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► So just before we leave this world flag thing can you give me any more ideas about what a great designer world would [TS]
01:26:27 ◼ ► but I've said before this is why I am very interested in design is precisely because I am not good at it [TS]
01:26:33 ◼ ► and on the occasions I have tried to do stuff like this it always turns out comically childish [TS]
01:26:39 ◼ ► and that is why the art style in my videos is often comically childish it's not like this is not one of my favorite [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► people on the Internet is Allie Brosh who does an excellent website called Hyperbole [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and a half just filled with brilliant brilliant writing and she has an art style that is very childish [TS]
01:26:56 ◼ ► but it is intentionally childish and she occasionally posts or actual artwork and it is phenomenal. [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Whereas my childish artwork is actually the peak of my abilities like I'm concentrating really hard in sticking out my [TS]
01:27:11 ◼ ► And this is actually the apex of my ability so I I could not come up with anything better than this flag of planet [TS]
01:27:19 ◼ ► Earth design. All I can be is a real grump and just sit here and say Now thumbs down. [TS]
01:27:24 ◼ ► I don't like that and they say Wait where's your better flag and I go I don't have one that's that. [TS]
01:27:29 ◼ ► Yeah well it happens. Well I'm giving it a surprising thumbs up. It's a pride. I didn't want to lie and I did. [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► So he's the host of ninety nine percent visit Oh yeah which I have of this in too much by now you know. [TS]
01:27:52 ◼ ► Yes I highly recommend it. Hey did a TED Talk about flags and I don't really watch many TED talk. [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Just because they're a bit too long. Seventeen minutes was more than willing to spend in a day. [TS]
01:28:05 ◼ ► But but so many people had sent it to me and I knew it was going to talk about flags on the part of the ball [TS]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and I thought OK I'll start watching it. Turns out it was a fabulous talk. I really recommend it. [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► but the one thing that did strike me was it was almost like a mirror image of a sudden stop here for a second. [TS]
01:28:28 ◼ ► OK stop here for a second. Now I'm stuck with a few dozen as I have not watched this video. [TS]
01:28:35 ◼ ► OK And I have not watched the video for a very particular reason which is that I totally love the ninety nine percent [TS]
01:28:54 ◼ ► when I saw all of this stuff coming out on Twitter I was absolutely crushed because my intended video for this month [TS]
01:29:03 ◼ ► was called How to design a flag and when I saw all of this stuff coming out I knew my one of my my constant fears [TS]
01:29:15 ◼ ► and the problem with being so slow at making videos is this kind of moment of getting scooped in a sense by someone [TS]
01:29:23 ◼ ► else scooped in gigantic quotation marks here because like if it was that made up nobody owns the facts. [TS]
01:29:29 ◼ ► But when when your life is about making viral videos you know that there is only so much time [TS]
01:29:39 ◼ ► and so I thought oh man I've got it I've got to shelve this project and normally I would disagree grey [TS]
01:29:50 ◼ ► but if your video is about what I imagine your video would be about. You've been talking. Here's what I want to guess. [TS]
01:29:58 ◼ ► I want to guess what the. Structure of his video is OK and if I guess right then we can keep talking about it. [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and I'm wrong then there is a potential for me to sometimes do a video about this in the future [TS]
01:30:14 ◼ ► but my guess is that Roman Mars went through the design guidelines from the North American vector logical Association [TS]
01:30:23 ◼ ► and used various flags as examples of why they're good or why they're not good. Correct. So is there. [TS]
01:30:35 ◼ ► and I have I have actually been I've actually been kind of floundering the last two weeks [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► or so trying to figure out what I'm going to be working on as my next project has like a man if this had just been a [TS]
01:30:50 ◼ ► but I mean I mean I can imagine what your video would be like based on our extensive talk about flags in a previous [TS]
01:31:04 ◼ ► when I watched this TED video it was so similar and it's so cold all the things you said and believe about legs [TS]
01:31:12 ◼ ► and all the things you said that I actually thought something suspicious was going on. I thought either. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Hey listen to our podcast which is incredibly unlikely or you had heard him talk about this before [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► or the third option which is probably the true action is that you go I should think the exact same thing about flags [TS]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and it's based on these design guidelines because it is Ted this TED talk was like deja vu all over again for a protest [TS]
01:31:43 ◼ ► and I are drawing from the same source material yet which I recently came across actually from the Reddit that logical [TS]
01:31:50 ◼ ► association because I really came across from the the Reddit like a logical sub read it because they linked. [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Do those design guidelines every time they talk about the flag competition as like by the way unless you really know [TS]
01:32:08 ◼ ► and a long time ago I tried to get in contact with the association to tell them why I'm working on a video about this I [TS]
01:32:16 ◼ ► would you know I would like to get your approval and like some some be back and talk to some people [TS]
01:32:23 ◼ ► and then maybe about three months ago I decided I'm going to move ahead with this project anyway even if I just never [TS]
01:32:36 ◼ ► when I saw on Twitter everybody was suddenly talking about Roman Mars and flags. I know exactly what happened here. [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► This his his TED talk is going to be the canonical one and there is no point there's no point in continuing with this. [TS]
01:32:53 ◼ ► and I think I think there's room enough for both of you and I would love to see you do it but I know you well enough [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and I think it's also a bit of professional prodigy that I mean this happens to me all the time. [TS]
01:33:05 ◼ ► This happens to me because I'm experimenting with videos and I make a number file video [TS]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and so has done already done a video on that mathematical thing this is like I'm very thick skinned to it [TS]
01:33:25 ◼ ► and if you've been working on that project for a few months then one stop because he did it it might you know it will [TS]
01:33:36 ◼ ► and if they think they know because you want to do you want to say as well to your audience and you should. [TS]
01:33:41 ◼ ► But anyway yeah well it is an interesting point to discuss because I'm not concerned about people talking about copying [TS]
01:33:52 ◼ ► because I get enough of those comments from people where other people make videos on the same topic that I have made [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Two people who are ripping me off and it's like no dude we just made a video about the same thing. Yeah. Or vice versa. [TS]
01:34:06 ◼ ► This just happens all the time and that's totally totally fine. So yes this is the. [TS]
01:34:10 ◼ ► Nobody owns the facts thing everybody gets to make a video and you can do it on whatever topic it is and it is. [TS]
01:34:18 ◼ ► It is very natural as well that videos that cover the same topic will often have the same structure. [TS]
01:34:26 ◼ ► and that's precisely the reason why I always know that if I'm planning to do a video I can't watch other people's videos [TS]
01:34:48 ◼ ► but you see how someone else did it so that's why like I'm not watching I'm not watching the Roman Mars thing. [TS]
01:34:53 ◼ ► But more importantly is I'm really aware that because I make fewer videos videos that I do make need to be more popular. [TS]
01:35:02 ◼ ► So it's actually to put a grotesque way it's a financial decision. You think you think it's less likely to go viral. [TS]
01:35:08 ◼ ► It's not so much a financial decision. I wouldn't say it's directly that but it's just I have this I have this. [TS]
01:35:18 ◼ ► I think it's like this is a news metaphor talking about oxygen in the room for various topics I feel like this comes [TS]
01:35:26 ◼ ► when I'm selecting topics it's like it's like I'm walking around in a in a mansion that has an like a almost an [TS]
01:35:39 ◼ ► And over time some of those rooms build up an amount of oxygen inside them so that if you open them up at the right [TS]
01:36:04 ◼ ► Yeah and so even if I ever want to do that topic which I mean because it's something that I really do like. [TS]
01:36:15 ◼ ► but it'll be a long time before that room fills up with oxygen again in a way that people would want to see another [TS]
01:36:25 ◼ ► So that's kind of the way I think about it is is it's I mean like my videos make more money if more people watch them. [TS]
01:36:33 ◼ ► But but for me it's much more directly related to the interest in this topic has been burned up. [TS]
01:36:45 ◼ ► but definitely a terrifying thing to do is a slightly side note here is that my my other video that I want to switch [TS]
01:36:53 ◼ ► part of the reason that I've been kind of floundering is because the other big video that I want to do now I am ninety [TS]
01:37:00 ◼ ► eight percent sure that there is somebody else who is working on the exact same topic [TS]
01:37:08 ◼ ► So you know a little bit like you know I got like surprise kicked in the pants once [TS]
01:37:15 ◼ ► and then the next thing that I want to do I feel like I don't necessarily want to start that because I'm pretty sure [TS]
01:37:22 ◼ ► I'm going to be scooped by that one too. Let me come back to your oxygen rooms again. [TS]
01:37:27 ◼ ► Where is where is the difference between the room's oxygen being stolen and taken up by someone I remember. [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► and you think right away like because there's two things that go on there isn't one argument is well that's been done [TS]
01:37:50 ◼ ► And I can I can feed on that interest and make something a you know even bigger and better. [TS]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Time surely you would think someone would say it was surely all the Varilux election oxygen has been depleted [TS]
01:38:06 ◼ ► and yet that's just when you put out an election video because you think interest is at an all time high. [TS]
01:38:11 ◼ ► So this is in the You Tube business lingo tentpole event. Yeah which is a phrase that I hate. [TS]
01:38:29 ◼ ► but in some ways they are rooms that are so big that they can't possibly explode all at once. [TS]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Yeah right so they're there's room for multiple explosions because there's just like an enormous amount of interest in [TS]
01:38:42 ◼ ► them and over and there's a lot of extra hate in there because of all those candles. [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► when talking with other creators is you're also aware that even around big events like that if if everybody's working [TS]
01:38:57 ◼ ► on something you still want people to each have a different angle on a thing. Yeah. [TS]
01:39:03 ◼ ► And everybody can't quite do the exact same topic that that then just because well one of them will end up becoming the [TS]
01:39:12 ◼ ► and the others end up looking like pale limitations even though that's not necessarily really the case is just kind of [TS]
01:39:21 ◼ ► The reason why I wanted to guess about what Roman Mars did is because I thought that that's that's probably what he [TS]
01:39:28 ◼ ► And so if I were to do a video about flags right now I would have to pick a very different angle [TS]
01:39:38 ◼ ► But again because I work so slowly that's not something that I can basically do to do in turn around before the end of [TS]
01:39:47 ◼ ► Yeah I have to say it was kind of depressing because so many people on Twitter were like you would be so excited about [TS]
01:39:53 ◼ ► the video on flags like endless tweets from people saying Watch what Robin MORE think it's amazing [TS]
01:40:03 ◼ ► Well there are there are those months of work right down the toilet like flushing it away [TS]
01:40:08 ◼ ► and is going to be really clear here. Roman Mars on the off chance that you're listening. [TS]
01:40:11 ◼ ► You do an amazing park at and this is nothing against you personally and you've had to it was really good. [TS]
01:40:17 ◼ ► and if you ripped it off from air earlier put a great talked about the guidelines then shame on you. So what he did. [TS]
01:40:45 ◼ ► and I'm thinking about all the things I'm making videos about the moment I'm thinking there's no way Gray would make a [TS]
01:40:49 ◼ ► video about any of them I guarantee you it's not a thing is not a thing that you're thinking of [TS]
01:41:00 ◼ ► and said like God I just I don't like this in the same situation is going to happen again [TS]
01:41:09 ◼ ► I'm working on a very small project that's not really related to anything but I need another main video [TS]
01:41:20 ◼ ► That's a possibility or good as the Internet and they could vote on what my next topic would be [TS]
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01:44:17 ◼ ► Website that I just wanted to briefly mention you see it in the notes called cashless I do. [TS]
01:44:24 ◼ ► Oh I just noticed that the person who wrote the story is actually someone I know that's one of your reporter friends. [TS]
01:44:31 ◼ ► Well it's a long story but you're kind of so it said it's their article basically said this is just in the U.K. [TS]
01:44:41 ◼ ► That cashless payments had overtaken the use of notes and coins for the first time. [TS]
01:44:52 ◼ ► So obviously you know cards and things like this and all the all the non-cash methods of a company one man explained. [TS]
01:44:59 ◼ ► Just let your old I think I think people I think people probably get what I what was your initial reaction to that news [TS]
01:45:08 ◼ ► story the news story was written in a strange way where I thought that they meant things like contactless payments [TS]
01:45:19 ◼ ► and debit card transactions everything everything everything that is not notes and guns. [TS]
01:45:24 ◼ ► when I realized that that was the angle I found myself actually surprised that that was not already the case. [TS]
01:45:33 ◼ ► How can it possibly be that cash transactions have outnumbered debit card and credit card transactions [TS]
01:45:44 ◼ ► and this may be a surprise to me because obviously people would imagine that I'd be Mr Professor in cash in the old [TS]
01:45:57 ◼ ► and it happens way too often than going into a place. Well I only except cash. Yeah I can believe us two happens. [TS]
01:46:04 ◼ ► Yeah I am I am amazed when that occurs when it does happen I almost always feel like are you joking are you kidding me. [TS]
01:46:12 ◼ ► Is this like some criminal enterprise or should I presume that you're laundering money at the local fish and chip shop. [TS]
01:46:21 ◼ ► Yeah it absolutely baffles me when a place Mon except cards and I know people write in [TS]
01:46:26 ◼ ► and say that that the the store owners have to pay the transaction fees on the credit cards. [TS]
01:46:32 ◼ ► Yeah but I just cannot believe that they're not missing out on more money than they would otherwise. [TS]
01:46:40 ◼ ► Well no because by the time you find it's normally too late but I guess you think people won't go back next time. [TS]
01:46:48 ◼ ► or if I see the sign that says cash only nine out of ten times I don't really have any cash on me. [TS]
01:46:53 ◼ ► Yeah so I can't actually go that's more interesting Lee and I think a little bit not so great though is people [TS]
01:47:04 ◼ ► So it's not is not necessarily that more customers arrive because you are using a credit card [TS]
01:47:11 ◼ ► but it is much more likely that a person adds a small amount to their pre-existing order [TS]
01:47:16 ◼ ► when they're using credit cards or debit cards. People's brains treat physical cash like no other form of exchange. [TS]
01:47:30 ◼ ► and coins they are much more parsimonious than if they're just using a credit or debit card. [TS]
01:47:37 ◼ ► Anon shopping is the next level up to because sometimes if I'm on Amazon I'll start going crazy stuff in the basket [TS]
01:47:44 ◼ ► then it doesn't even feel real and Amazon gets you with their one click button like Lego I fell on my computer [TS]
01:47:53 ◼ ► It's like wait I didn't even mean to like nope it's already been shipped to your door ding dong right there it is. [TS]
01:48:00 ◼ ► Never happened to me today I was there was something I was going for him post by today and and I [TS]
01:48:07 ◼ ► and it was like it was expensive it was an expensive thing it was like it was two hundred pounds [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► and I clicked to buy I think I was buying it through paper because that's even less real money than no money and [TS]
01:48:19 ◼ ► and I made the purchase and I was well that's good and I went off and watch some cricket and did some work [TS]
01:48:23 ◼ ► and then I came back and open my browser and it turns out the transaction hadn't gone through. [TS]
01:48:29 ◼ ► Something had something had failed and some error message come up and I looked at that [TS]
01:48:32 ◼ ► and so actually I didn't even want that thing right and I didn't bend didn't buy. So I was like I got saved by. [TS]
01:48:40 ◼ ► And it makes me wonder how often how often that would happen if two hours later someone came up to you [TS]
01:48:44 ◼ ► and said oh we show you one of the where the it's actually of course increasing any amount of friction would vastly [TS]
01:48:51 ◼ ► decrease else we could you imagine if Amazon was required by law to send you an email two hours after every purchase [TS]
01:48:58 ◼ ► that said Are you sure you want to buy this you have to click yes to continue with the transaction. [TS]
01:49:06 ◼ ► Sales would plummet out of doubt which sounds crazy because you think Oh people do things deliberately [TS]
01:49:11 ◼ ► but if there's one thing we know is that people don't do things deliberately that human decisions are extremely context [TS]
01:49:21 ◼ ► but what one of one of these studies I was reading about was talking about how like white collar crime [TS]
01:49:28 ◼ ► and people cheating and how if you if you pay people for getting the correct answers on a test [TS]
01:49:40 ◼ ► If you're doing the transaction in cash people are much more honest about how many questions they really got right on [TS]
01:49:46 ◼ ► But if you give them tokens that they can then redeem from a second person in terms of actual money that people like [TS]
01:49:53 ◼ ► lying just goes through the roof that if you put any kind of level of indirection between the cash money. [TS]
01:50:00 ◼ ► And the person that it just makes people just think of it like it's less real like oh I'm not really scamming this [TS]
01:50:07 ◼ ► person out of dollars I'm scamming them out of tokens and those tokens can turn into dollars [TS]
01:50:12 ◼ ► but it's totally different. I want to say you know I have that problem with their kids. [TS]
01:50:15 ◼ ► This is precisely why every videogame in every gambling establishment Once you to convert dollars into their own crazy [TS]
01:50:24 ◼ ► currency for actually spending money so you're not saying oh your money getting Hoover Denish. That's exactly right. [TS]
01:50:36 ◼ ► or lots lots of other Web sites they want you to have some kind of secondary currency in it because they know people [TS]
01:50:42 ◼ ► are way more likely to spend the consumer loyalty points all this kind of secondary currency stuff your brain just [TS]
01:50:52 ◼ ► when people want you to convert your actual money into some kind of other form of exchangeable money that that is their [TS]
01:51:04 ◼ ► That comment you made before about those on sent e-mails I saying you sure you want to buy this. [TS]
01:51:09 ◼ ► Did remind me of another so I had just earlier this week actually I was thinking about you know telethons like where [TS]
01:51:16 ◼ ► they used to do them on my student one takeaway they'll have like a big a big night on T.V. [TS]
01:51:26 ◼ ► and they're all trying to raise money for an event like you know Africa you know starving people in Africa [TS]
01:51:40 ◼ ► and at the end of the night I say hey we've raised thirty six million pounds isn't that fantastic. And it is fantastic. [TS]
01:51:46 ◼ ► It's really good thing the thing I was wondering is what was it like in the olden days when you and I were young [TS]
01:51:54 ◼ ► when those shows used to be on. Because when those shows used to be on a son of a younger viewers might notice. [TS]
01:52:07 ◼ ► and then at the end of the night they would say hey everyone we've raised thirty six million dollars or pounds [TS]
01:52:16 ◼ ► and give that money somehow like because you couldn't do it over the phone and you know you had to go [TS]
01:52:26 ◼ ► I would love to know how many people actually saw through their commitment after after saying I'm going to give this [TS]
01:52:33 ◼ ► money the next day and I had to give it when they were watching the emotional videos of you know people in distress. [TS]
01:52:45 ◼ ► and I would I would expect from two things one people does not following through the maybe fifty percent of people just [TS]
01:52:54 ◼ ► and I would also be very willing to bet that of the people who follow through a big percentage of them give less than [TS]
01:53:02 ◼ ► they pledged. Yeah. Oh I'll give twenty dollars and then they actually give five dollars. [TS]
01:53:08 ◼ ► Yeah I'm sure that that it just must have been a huge I mean it's interesting because on some of the fund raising [TS]
01:53:19 ◼ ► or ongoing fundraiser The usual advice that I've seen is to be aware that at least you can expect ten percent failure [TS]
01:53:29 ◼ ► rate when we actually go to charge everybody's credit cards. Yeah. This system couldn't be any easier. [TS]
01:53:40 ◼ ► when like the Kickstarter project finishes right off the bat you've lost ten percent of the promised revenue because a [TS]
01:53:49 ◼ ► So I figure that the best case scenario and if that's about ten percent those T.V. [TS]
01:53:54 ◼ ► Tell of up telethons Yeah I would I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a majority. [TS]
01:54:03 ◼ ► but I would I would love to know actual numbers I would love to know actual numbers. [TS]
01:54:13 ◼ ► Getting things done to stress free productivity by David Allen which for those of you who've never listened to the [TS]
01:54:26 ◼ ► This book is Gray's life changing Bible that turned him from me a mortal to the efficiency robots that we have before [TS]
01:54:35 ◼ ► us now. And while it is revealed others drive it that way. Well I just said well I just see it. [TS]
01:54:42 ◼ ► And while it has already been stated by none other than Gray himself that I am beyond saving and spoke cannot save me. [TS]
01:54:50 ◼ ► but I've decided I'm going to have a look at it anyway just to give me a greater insight into the mind of gray so I am [TS]
01:55:00 ◼ ► One of the reason I one of the reasons I bought the paper version was that I could scribbled notes on the pages as I [TS]
01:55:08 ◼ ► and then hopefully I actually haven't got a single page so I don't know how successful they are [TS]
01:55:14 ◼ ► but hopefully maybe the next podcast maybe one after I don't know at some point in our future. [TS]
01:55:20 ◼ ► I intend to ask great questions about this book and if you want to have read it already you have that option. [TS]
01:55:32 ◼ ► or decrease your pleasure of the podcast of the time I'm giving you the listeners that option. [TS]
01:55:37 ◼ ► I already saw you tweeting today about how you bought this book and that you haven't read it at all yet. [TS]
01:55:45 ◼ ► and buy a book about productivity low I feel really great I feel so great I could take the rest of the afternoon off. [TS]
01:55:52 ◼ ► My suggestion is that we actually try to set a deadline of talking about it for the next show. OK And you did. [TS]
01:56:00 ◼ ► Actually for the both of us because you I understand have bought the new edition David Allen just happened to come out [TS]
01:56:10 ◼ ► and I have been intending to to really read getting things done for a whole bunch of reasons for like a year [TS]
01:56:16 ◼ ► and a half now and I haven't done it either. So I could use the deadline and I think you need the deadline. [TS]
01:56:27 ◼ ► For the listeners we will have a little conversation about getting things done with David Allen [TS]
01:56:36 ◼ ► I asked if he thought I should get the audiobook because one to one way I could do with this is a minute sort of [TS]
01:56:50 ◼ ► and you kind of you kind of agreed the link that I will put in the show notes will be to Amazon I listen to a lot of [TS]
01:56:56 ◼ ► audio books and I read as well and I'm keenly aware that some books are better in one format [TS]
01:57:08 ◼ ► But I think that a book like getting things done doesn't translate well into audio book format because if you're really [TS]
01:57:20 ◼ ► serious about it there are things that you have to do as you're going through the book [TS]
01:57:32 ◼ ► I'm listening to this to be entertained when I'm reading stuff that I want to have an effect [TS]
01:57:44 ◼ ► or often prefer to read it on the page because I think actually having it be a little bit more difficult to read on the [TS]
01:57:51 ◼ ► page as opposed to someone just reading it to you can take that difficulty actually makes you focus on it more. [TS]
01:58:00 ◼ ► During the sort of eyeball version as opposed to the air version was because it was sort of it's very risky [TS]
01:58:06 ◼ ► and very flow shotty but it's not because of that it's just because more because you have to stop and make notes [TS]
01:58:12 ◼ ► and do little things there are a couple of points in the book where I think it is genuinely useful to do what he [TS]
01:58:20 ◼ ► and it's an English don't get me wrong this is not a certain kind of genre book that I absolutely hate where they have [TS]
01:58:26 ◼ ► a little exercise at the end of every chapter and I remember those. That stuff I think that stuff is totally gimmicky. [TS]
01:58:32 ◼ ► There's only one or two things in this book that I actually think are moments when you should do something [TS]
01:58:38 ◼ ► but it is also a book that is it is much more just to be actively thought about as opposed to listened to. [TS]
01:58:46 ◼ ► So I really like audio books for books that are about a particular topic and I will listen to audio books for fiction. [TS]
01:58:55 ◼ ► But for a book like this which is I actually want to really try to change something about my life I think it is worth [TS]
01:59:00 ◼ ► deliberately sitting down and having a pen so you can make notes or underline sections [TS]
01:59:07 ◼ ► Well a lot of the sponsor of this deficit question that I I greatly prefer our method of not knowing who the sponsors [TS]
01:59:19 ◼ ► I think this is a good because I feel like people are not always aware of this that we don't we don't know who the [TS]
01:59:24 ◼ ► sponsors are. One when we're recording the podcast and we don't do the sponsors until afterward. Yeah. [TS]
01:59:31 ◼ ► And audible is a sponsor of the spot guests more people will have already heard from them. [TS]
01:59:39 ◼ ► I will do all the people listening already know what we do so in the worst way to end the conversation on the five guys [TS]
01:59:48 ◼ ► Like I almost feel like I feel subservient to them at the moment because they know something I don't. [TS]
01:59:53 ◼ ► They're not more powerful they're just in the future. What kind of does make you more powerful I guess but there. [TS]
02:00:00 ◼ ► More powerful right now their existing somewhere in the world as we are recording this I mean that [TS]
02:00:04 ◼ ► and even they were recording us I mean that then nothing to us right now. So he just you swing in these wild extremes. [TS]