00:00:00 ◼ ► First of all I would I would probably pay you to not stick a fork into your leg. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► What do you Quicken on your mechanical keyboard about the how is quitting the pull of the follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► There are a few things for follow up this quieted things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Actually I want to pick something that is from a long time ago which is that we made a joke at some point about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/15">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► surgeons listening to the podcast while they are performing surgery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/23">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and how that would not be a good idea it was even depicted in this case one of dove skis and Cheyenne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/27">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► and I said there was a comment that was left for us on the Reddit which is terrifying to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/33">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► but it is from a surgeon who says that it is not uncommon for surgeons to listen to things like audiobooks during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/41">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► and he had a rehab he laid out the rationale that what you're most worried about in your surgeon is that your surgeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/52">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► becomes bored and so then they become inattentive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► and sort of they're doing very routine surgery that this is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and something like listening to an audiobook keep the surgeon in gaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/65">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► but I still find that notion absolutely terrifying that I would not want to know that while while I was under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/69">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► surgeon's listening to an audiobook I just I would be very uncomfortable with this piece of information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► But now it is in my head it is impossible to unknow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► But anyway so surgeons apparently do listen to audiobooks at the very least. But I still say hopefully not Paga. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/83">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► I read this as well just before the show. I mean they claim they're a surgeon you never know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/90">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► The Internet and they call themselves a secret surgeon right. So I believe I believe their station. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/97">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► Now it makes sense I understand you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► and needing to have something to keep your brain engaged I guess other than the sage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► or the secret said you did say this is when you're doing kind of really mundane you know same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/113">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Not when you're sort of doing brain surgery on someone who's you know three serious serious things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/120">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► but it does worry me a bit because he's going into surgery next week. Oh no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/127">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► Yeah like just like you know she spent you know having having Lady surgery so she doesn't have a base. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/133">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► So she'll be fixed yet and I'm ready unlike massively worried about already because you know she says small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/140">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► and delicate and doesn't break that well anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► And now I'm going to have this in my head that the surge is not paying attention so I don't think they go in through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► the nose for the surgery. Brady I don't think are her breathing is related to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► No that she goes under anaesthetic and I'm wearing you know I'm just worried and is that it is concerning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/162">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► when they come when they go in for any kind of surgery. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Also I'm not entirely convinced that secret surgeon is not a vet because I don't know seem to be ambiguous to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/173">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► and it makes me think maybe there are that want to sound like a human surgeon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Can you tell from reading all the comments in the thread whether they're human or human and human surgeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/185">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► or of you know what vets and humans are jinns. They're both doing surgery on animals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/191">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► They're just different kinds of animals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/198">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► I'll tell you what the best thing about the whole comic this person left on red is the last bit you have to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/199">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► last bit they write they where they say one other note one other note I arrived here via C G P Gray's channel which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► been voting me for years now I had never watched Brady's channels before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► but now that I've been introduced to them I have to say I am amazed how I ever missed them they are all brilliant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/217">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► Then he lists a bunch of your channels. Great stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/224">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► Kudo's made is that the part of the comment that you like the best you can read it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► but you get you get a thumbs up from a secret surgeon that you or your channels and your work are all amazing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/230">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► and also they did say that they have actually been doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► He surgery listening to us now as well for the sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► but I say they say for the past couple of weeks all my patients have been operated on by doctors hair and gray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/243">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► I really hope here is their gin that you are not listening to the pod cast during surgery it makes me it makes me want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/250">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► to be very serious all the time so we don't accidently say anything that could be remotely funny to any human. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Think of them just imagining a surgeon you know with their knife in a precarious location and the like a ha ha right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► and it and it plunges the knife into sensitive pieces now this is this is no good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/269">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► Please don't listen to the podcast agents tweet Gray if you're doing surgery right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► I like that image of the surgeon with a scalpel in one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► and their i Phone six in the other hand trying to awkwardly reach around the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/284">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► Let me do you know it's no good it's no good it's not. Anyway I think I could do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/290">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► I have not probably could I probably could listen to podcasts what exactly are you are you that confident in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/298">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I can't I can't read if there's oil in the room looking for tv's Oh no there's any talking in the room I cannot read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/306">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► but I think I could. I think I could probably do a surgery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► There is definitely a linguistic collision in my brain if I try to listen to a pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► and do anything else that has anything to do with words. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► And I'm always surprised and very doubtful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► when people say that they are listening to the podcast while doing something word related or Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/326">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► or like computer programming some people say listen to podcasts while their computer programming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► I I would not be capable of doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/334">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► and I kind of refused to believe that those people are able to do that I think they're just doing their primary task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► really terribly and the thing about the surgeon that worries me is I've mentioned before that I listen to podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/342">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► and audiobooks while I'm animating because these are different areas of my brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/349">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► It's like the visual side and then the linguistic side and is totally fine. But I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► So do know that there's a trade off that it takes me longer to animate if I'm listening to something at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► like I can tell that the work goes slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► but I'm making a trade off here about how bored I get versus how long it's going to take. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/369">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► So I still does worry about surgeons having any part of their brain occupied by something other than the person's guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► in front of them that they are manipulating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/381">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► but not today I'm going to ask why animating is so boring for you because your animations don't move by that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/384">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Did that tedious today but we did another day. If you want to do that on the day that's fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/390">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► There's not really that much to say about it but when is a never stopped. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/399">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► Now we talked a lot about voting and elections in the last podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and different people got wound up to different levels by that. Is there anything you wanted to follow up from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/412">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► Yes this happens all the time when we do our pod cast that immediately after the podcast goes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/418">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► I feel really riled up about all kinds of points and things that I want to talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/424">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► But then but then we go to record you know ten days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/428">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► or two weeks later I often feel like nothing that happened in the past I'm much more willing to let it go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/431">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► I have like all of these angry notes written down for points I want to follow up and things I want to clarify. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► And now sort of looking at them and I think I have one thing. Yes What do you want to follow up on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/443">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► And that's more like a question that maybe you can answer for me first time post very thing which I'm not a witch I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/448">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► not a fan of and I did say that last time you were doing some amazing devil's advocacy in the last part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/455">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► OK Well let me ask you this what is a coke First Past the Post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/462">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► I know if there's one thing that it is not it is first past the post it's almost like that's almost the definition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/468">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► what this method of aging is not yet because it's one of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► He methods where you don't have to reach the post like the other methods you know where they distribute preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► and keep going until someone gets a fifty percent like a post that is first past the post so it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/486">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► describing the opposite of what it is it's if it's the one method where you don't need to reach the post the name is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/493">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► and I almost think that maybe that's part of the reason why it's able to spread is because you tell people of First [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► Past the Post and they envision a horse race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and horse races are really unambiguous about who was the winner like all right the guy across the line first that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► determine when is this must be a reasonable voting system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► but yet the first transposed voting system that name could not possibly be less descriptive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/517">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► and it baffles me it absolutely baffled me which is why it's not me it's not even ambiguous. It's like willfully wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/523">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► Yeah it's that's what I mean. I feel like it is almost intentionally or or just through random chance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/533">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► Very confusing but confusing in a way that makes it feel more fair and more obvious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/541">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► So the worse name is the worst name ever with the code is that like old adorable fair puppy biting. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/546">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► That must be the best way to vote right. Right but a book but adorable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Fair puppy voting is actually a box full of snakes. That's really what you voted for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/559">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► Not really what I was going for but yeah it is why most of the time if you are a nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► and you are reading literature on different voting systems very often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► when people who are familiar with the systems are talking about them they will refer to it as plurality voting which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/575">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► course is actually what it is it is it is the voting system that selects the plurality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► but not necessarily the majority of the voters. I know you love that word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► I know you love that word used low to last point custody but you really shouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► Why why should I use that word it is descriptive not to say well when you say it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Now do you talk about and I'm like I'm like a normal guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► Like if if you said to me I believe in prayer if you go to guy. Well I don't believe in plurality voting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/603">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► I'm just simply saying that that is more descriptive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► What I'm saying is what I'm saying is it's a word that not enough people understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and they certainly don't understand it in that context and it needs a different name that is not that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/617">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and this is one of these this isn't one of these Brady come up with a new name things this is just needs a needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► something like leading vote getter or I don't know I don't know what the name for is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/628">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► but a name that explains what it is that isn't Verity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► If we can move from a name that is actively confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/638">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► and misleading to a name that simply means nothing in the minds of most people that is an improvement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/643">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► So that's why I would still advocate for a plurality even if maybe the majority of people don't know what that word is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/652">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► but maybe a plurality of people know what plurality means I saw a really cool calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/660">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► and the other current who made apologies for not crediting you personally I kind of remember where our store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/663">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► but you know my whole leg thing for extra video footage which is not as bad no idea as you said because in some parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► of the world I've since been told it doesn't just relate to commercial transactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/679">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► and it can just mean a bit extra on the side. Your words always turn to mush. That's what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► Someone said what and I call that vi vig Neap footage the video footage. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/688">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► So you want to do you want to different people for all kinds of media that they the little extra things that we put on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/698">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► the hello internet channel should those be part of the app say sections is that what you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► You get that grey you're getting I like you think and the directors directors commentary on D.V.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/710">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► So while he's been away and he's with work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► but you think this is this is this is the in the epic could become a little genre Yeah if you could have all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► good yet giving up is the subject here that you want. Well it seems to be heading that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/730">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Yeah yeah this is this is a freight train that can't be stopped. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► I think definitely I'll tell you what that speaking of that free voting like the most interesting thing the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/738">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► and that was someone sent me in I think I sent a link to one of these sites that talks about defining new trendy words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/748">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► are kind of what it was called had MAME in the know your means that you're from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/756">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and they were pointing out that it has been posted there in the whole history of the word had been written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/762">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and had left us out completely and referred to people who first posted it here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/767">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and destines video in a couple of other videos and we will have to completely and I mean that doesn't bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/774">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Are you sure it didn't bother me but since I tweeted that it has since been remedied anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/781">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► and we do get we do get credited now anyway that I hope I am the one who is credited as usually here you know I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/788">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► think I think you get a Fed chunk of the credit. And again I should get no chunk of the credit not at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/795">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Well that's one of the by the things that did make me think about something I've heard discussed before is podcasts as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/801">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► source material. They are like The Ugly Sister of source material will be there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/809">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► Well because you can't search them very easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► You can't search them all really you know with a Google search and then popular and high profile those videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/818">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► So if something happens in a podcast it's kind of it is caught anonymous even though we're posting these things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► Internet and you know everyone can listen to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/831">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and they're out there they still kind of hidden in the hidden things and that is one of the things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Yes You know if someone says something in a product that said time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► and again it's so hard to find them it's just they're like they're invisible in terms of searching for something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/845">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► are totally invisible That is true and then I am aware that I have to go on Twitter sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/852">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and ask people where on earth we said something if I want to link to a previous conversation that we've had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/857">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► I wonder if this is part of the problem of the popularity of podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/863">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► and no doubt they have gotten much more popular in the last couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► but I still think it's it's harder than other sources of media to get people started in pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/871">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► The percentage of the population who could potentially enjoy listening to podcasts is much much larger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/878">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► percentage of the population that currently does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/885">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► I get that there's a high barrier to get people started in pod casts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/888">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► and that is I think that might be part of what you asked me just about the invisibility of them like where do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/893">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► exist. Like oh can I go to the Web site. Well yes you can go to the Web site but that's a terrible experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► You really need to download this app for your phone and then search for the thing in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► and then click SUBSCRIBE it's a bigger process than perhaps it could be in other ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/908">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► Yeah but also if I made a podcast called the Brady loves read podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and I made a podcast every day for three years telling your friend how much I love the color red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/920">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► And then one day I wrote one blog saying my favorite color was blue. That's all anyone would know about me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/925">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► Brady is the guy that wrote that blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► and said he likes blow because the podcast as I look at it it doesn't seem to exist as a record the way that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► written stuff on the Internet does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► Yes but I also think that that is that is the strength of it as well as we have discussed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► I feel much more comfortable sometimes kind of just chatting about stuff on the pod cast in a way that I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► write some of the same stuff as a dedicated article on my blog because it is a very conversational nature of it that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/952">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► it. And forming the listener that we are we are having a conversation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► We're just talking about some stuff and sometimes we're saying things literally as they pop into our head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/963">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► or the first time we've ever thought about something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► So I do also like the kind of low pressure world of Pollyanna thing versus versus writing an article which Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/970">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► when you write an article the presumption is that you have actually spends time formulating how you are going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► something and though it is held to a much higher standard. It's like when not under oath. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► Yes I think that is an excellent way to put it. We're not under oath on the gas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/987">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Ever want to quote us to us or take us out of context like all of this is not under oath. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/994">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► The thing with podcasting The reason they can't go massive Is that just such a time sink. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Well if I if I have a week where I'm not doing a long drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► or I like a train trip I was fall behind on podcast completely and that it might just take some of them to listen to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► Yeah but you have to you can be doing something else while you listen to the podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► Not many things but a few things to clean the house or whatever you know for a walk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► Maybe you have it doesn't take like two hours to clean the house or walk the dog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► You are right the pod cast definitely you have a certain amount of time to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► and I am massively oversubscribed to podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► and so have to use a kind of filtering sorting system on my own pod cast cue to even do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► So yeah they do take up a whole lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► but I still say that there are many many more people who have room for pod cast in their life than Then currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► listen to podcasts. Can I just clarify something else for the record and this is just one of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► Me wanting to sort something out for people because since we spoke about it on the podcast I've posted the video which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► is with this really is billionaire and in the comments under the video I saw a few people making little jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► and references to his smoking and the first puff thing that we talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► So no memory and reading some of those comments. I think some people mis understood what I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► So I went back and this into the podcast and I could see how maybe it could be misconstrued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► and I don't know if was because of how I spoke was added to the what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► but just let me say just so it's clear to people when I said he has first puffs of cigarettes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► I wasn't suggesting he sits there with a packet of cigarettes has a first time extinguisher Jose another one has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► first class extinguishes that's not what I was what I was saying is if you get interrupted for some reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► After five or six puffs and has to put it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► when it comes time to relight another one like twenty minutes later he went really hot used to him he will stop again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► he isn't a guy that just exclusively has her spouse. I hope that is clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► I thought that was clear from the previous podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► but I think this is again an example of how as stories get told on the Internet they become these cartoonish versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► and so it isn't one of the negative all that he is now going to have the reputation as the man who only takes a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► puff from every cigarette that you have because you can't you can't fight against that that that is a certain kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► mean that sticks really well in people's minds with that I have billionaires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and it's kind of funny like this game is just over. You're never going to be able to undo that kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► It'll just it'll be with him until the end of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► And also even if you say something is not true it sticks in the head like listeners how I'm going to say something now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► but I'm going to say anyway I swear to god I'm not even going to put that part you know because you need to come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► with something else because I'm just going to cut that. Do you want to give that another go or not to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► I like I like but we're just going to leave that in my editing hands that would use it if it doesn't make up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► That you editing it out for that very reason because even if you know something's not true it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► It doesn't stick it will stick. I love the internet I love the way that Internet conversations can unfold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► I think you can have lots of very different kinds of conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► and you ever could in real life partly because of anonymity and partly because of a whole lot of other factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► but one of the flip sides of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► and one of the one of the costs that you end up having to pay is this is this weird fact that just things get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► exaggerated and distorted in ways that are impossible to prevent from happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► I feel like that was it my whole this video will make you angry video was was about is like having been on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► long enough to see this exact same phenomenon play out in many different ways over you know over many different years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► and it's just a funny or interesting lie has an enormous edge in spread ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1253">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► and stick ability over the boring truth. So a strain for the spiders. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► What's this about I don't know you're from Australia you tell me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► But I made a joke about how Australia was full of spiders in a previous show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► and then one day everyone is tweeting at me there's an article that just says it's raining millions of baby spiders in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► Australia is this is this normal weather for Australia do you just get spider rain all the time down there whining in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► the winter only in the way it always rains we had things everywhere this is you know this is this is just a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► Yeah I would say the stories about rainstorms are from so you know do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► I don't hear these stories of rains rain storms of frogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► Did you when you were little boy did you know my favorite books in the library when I was a little boy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► when the books of facts. But Michael Caine books are facts which now have just become the stickles obviously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► So basically I was into the stickles before there was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► when you read those books there are always like you know in nine hundred thirty two hailed frogs for fifteen minutes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► Cairo something it happened something gets blown up from a lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► or something I guess goes up into something more than we're just having this conversation immediately after the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► lies spread immediately fast so you better as trailing a spider drain into You Tube What do I get I want to see is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► there a video. OK there are actually a video of it raining spiders. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► That is that's not just a story that some people are telling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► Anyway I don't I don't remember ever hearing about it raining frogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► when I was a kid this is the first time I've heard about it raining creatures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► and it is of course spiders in Australia so I'm standing by my statement that Australia is full of spiders. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1373">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► They definitely range from some searching going on for you going to find me or raining frogs video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► and there's a look at paid record rain of animals and fish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► and frogs as the main ones they talk about say the I am entirely unaware of this phenomenon being animals jellyfish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► Well God that would be horrifying jellyfish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► Man I'm not a fan of the jellyfish that's my wife's Achilles heel was well they're awful I don't even like who decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► that the Apple Watch you have a jelly fish on it that's a horrible decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and their numbers are increasing as the carbon dioxide levels increase in the ocean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► That's like my biggest concern with global warming is like wait a minute you say we're giving the edge of the jellyfish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► No we've got to put a stop to this right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► We don't need more of his jellyfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► when I was in a strategist recently in Perth we were jumping off a little jetty into the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and there were jellyfish everywhere having to jump into the gaps between them you know and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► We're going in the water and picking them up and bringing them up on to the jetty and playing with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► and holding them and also I mean I guess it's fine if they're not the stinging kind you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► but there were no good no you just you just find the horrible stinging kinds on the beach in Hawaii. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► Julio you can't touch that because you will experience pain like no human has ever experienced before. Oh OK great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► Can we can we kill all of these things like Is there a way that we can kill them because I would be OK with that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► know how one of the things if you get stung by jellyfish is you pay on the person to make a go at it this is like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► urban legend I thought I was under the impression that this is just like this starts because some friends want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► their you know their friends day even worse like oh yeah jellyfish man of war. It's a real shame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► You know we have to do now we have to be on you I think that's how that got started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► All right but I'm not sure how we look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► and looking at it this is like urban legend I have a Scientific American article saying no this is not this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1492">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► Yeah that's absolutely convinced this is just someone's idea of a prank one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► and again the lies they spread very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► It's very memorable that you're supposed to pee on someone after they've been stung by a jellyfish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► You know this just gets spread forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► and even a statement going at now if anything we're just reinforcing people that's in this pot cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► and they'll come away with the idea that oh yes of course we're supposed to be on someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► when they get stung by a jellyfish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Well I would not even if they know it's not true though just keep telling the story like a bit of an urban legend I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► don't think that's true but apparently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► but then people forget the urban legend apparently is that they just remember the fact later like it's it's really there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► a couple of interesting kind of studies that I've come across on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► but it is almost impossible to tell someone a untrue fact and preface it with the fact it is untrue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► and expected six months later they'll remember anything except the untrue fact if it was true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► If it did help would you. Someone pay on you if you got stung by a jellyfish. If it would work. Yeah of course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► Because it seems like getting stung by jellyfish is horrible so getting paid on by someone you have to have to weigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► I had a man of war and it's wrapped around my arm and we just had to pull it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► and my whole arm just feels like it's on fire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► If someone peeing on my arm would make my arm feel better it's like please Can everybody just urinate all over my arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► Right you get in a little circle and let's just do this right now because I want to die from the extra shooting pain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► If it would work of course I would do it why wouldn't I do it because you're the guy that won't like you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► sharing like drinks because of saliva. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► Yeah but you're in a sterile it's fine urine is sterile You don't have to look at that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► OK OK let's try to flip it around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► Let's say that we were having this conversation let's say instead of of if we can start a new urban legend now let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1613">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► say that instead of urine it was definitely that was the urban legend OK that's not sterile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► and then now it's like well you know maybe it'll make you or your jellyfish wound feel less bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► but you're almost risking horrifying diseases and replication So you know the tradeoff here is not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► But remember people don't Defra Kate on so much. Yeah that's just making the die hard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► This episode of hello internet is brought to you by fracture years ago when my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1654">TS</a>]
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00:27:45 ◼ ► and we wanted to find glass minimalist frames and it was surprisingly hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1665">TS</a>]
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00:28:00 ◼ ► Put the picture between because you have to have something holding the two pieces of glass together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1680">TS</a>]
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00:29:30 ◼ ► I don't want anyone to take this personally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► I think Apple watches perfectly Co and has lots of cool uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► but I want to talk about these watch faces on Apple watchers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► The stage for ten watches I think in the future we will look back at the fact people have got these potential watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► faces on their smart watches and think it was a bit silly. And what were we thinking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► What we doing that was just that was a stupid thing to do was silly fashion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Then I realize from the stuff that was done and I mean I went over a little bit last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► and over brings up the thinking of his phone out of my head now but to me one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► but there are two main things one thing is I think this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and that's made that's just how I'm used to telling time man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► It's unacceptable to me and I just think it can be unlearned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► You know people used to tell the time by the sun going through the sky and then let maybe a sundial would come along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► and I'm sure it was the daughter I don't like that shadow on the ground more sun Konica and then and then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► when clocks came out people who do we need what we need clocks you know what we need sand things for like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Santayana's what are we to cook for you know we've got the sun Oh we've got you know I don't like this new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► and then people I thought OK there's a new way of doing it and there was another new technology that's come along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► and I think that makes sense to me to abandon the old way of doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► and the reason clock faces a circular turn in the way they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► and has hands is because of the mechanism that Palestine underneath and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► when that's no longer necessary I don't see why you're clinging to it. It's like having an apple watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► but it's like having an apple watch that just has the sun on the screen moving across your screen over the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► the day you could do it but it would be like silly to be using the old fashioned way of doing things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► This might drive you crazy but one of the apple watch faces that they're not that's a novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► but that's not how you tell the time and what you do it for a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► but I think these cook faces are big done that that's considered like a serious thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► and all these people tweeting pictures of A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► and debating about it talking about I think same's putting clocks putting an old fashioned clock face on this high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► piece of technology to me is is like inventing the camera and using it purely to take photos of paintings or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1909">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Inventing a video camera and using it purely to record theater and plays like it's using is taking a new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► and just not having the imagination to realize this means I don't have to do it how I used to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► That last part is part of the problem that I do have with the Apple Watch which is as it is right now you can only use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Yeah so Johnny Ive presumably is the guy who has approved of the various watch faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► and I've been talking with some people on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► and I think each of them is frustratingly limited in some particular way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► and I really don't know if Apple is ever going to open it up. It would not surprise me if they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► But I really think they should allow other people to design different watch faces. Yeah. Does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► I mean I know this is kind of not the Apple way but like you know let people design their watch faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and you know what's going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► There's going to be thousands of hideous and awful faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► and many people will have terribly ugly tacky looking watch faces. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► But when you open something up to the the world to try to change and improve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► Some people will come up with amazing things that just the people at Apple would not be able to come up with on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► And this is always the case if you know if you're looking at what one of the best watches that this group of five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► designers at Apple can come up with versus what is the best watch face that tens of thousands of developers can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► possibly come up with. The best one is probably going to come out of the larger group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► And so I think yes there are very many things that could be done to Interestingly show the time in new ways on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Apple Watch. But right now that can't be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► And one of the reasons that I think you see so many people using the analog watch face is because there is really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► one digital watch face on the Apple Watch right now and it is hideous and badly designed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► and thought man I could never I could never use this as my watch face because they stick the watch part of it the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► it was trapped in the upper right hand side of the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► And I think they do that just to make it consistent with all of their other novelty watches as they look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► And I have a digital watch face. I'm going to want to time big and in the middle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► But you can't put it big in in the middle because Johnny Ive says no it has to go up in the corner because I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► So I don't doubt that a lot more people would be using a digital watch face if they had better digital watch face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► And I'm kind of driven crazy by the limited options with the two faces that I have some kind of always switching back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► and forth between these two one called utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► and one called simplicity because each of them has things that I like I want to combine the features the best features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► of both of these but you want me do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► I just think it's a failure of imagination and what you say is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► and the joining are things interesting because I mean I don't pretend to know anything about Apple or China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► but I do know that he's big watch and the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and I wonder if he has sort of a say in this is his one chance to you know it's New Year's he's going to get to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► designing a Rolex or an Amiga or something and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► and he's failed to realize that that's not where he should be making. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► I feel very strongly that it is totally fine for Apple to have a bunch of recommended watch faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► but if they never open it up to let other people design different watch faces I will find that endlessly frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► and I just wouldn't be surprised if Apple says for several years now we're not going to lie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Now additional watches additional watch faces on our on our beautiful device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► I mean everybody like that just that just feels like a kind of decision that Apple would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► and you know while I do like Apple there are certain ways that it is infuriating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► and you just have to learn to deal with that kind of stuff sometimes and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and this is one of those I mean I understand they can't have had it right from the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► but I just feel like they might never do it and I really hope that that is not the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► But I but I you know I will probably still always use an analog watch face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► and I understand your argument that there should be something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► but I I quite like the way the analog watch face looks. And yeah of course I could I could use a different watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► I could use a different way of telling time. But I would like a nice analog watch face on my watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► I think it looks like I think it would be interesting I think it makes people look silly like like like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► going up to them saying Do you realize that like there are no coke so we gaze in that thing you realize like I didn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► didn't know that that you know there's no gear than my I want to I didn't know it just seems it just seems a bit funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► to me and I but I sent you a picture of what my watch face looks like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► I just you know I'm waiting for you to you can tell me what you think about it I mean just as a as a picture as like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► OK but I think when it's on your hand is when it looks silly when you see the whole head and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► and then see this projection of what is what it looks silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► Well you know my my suggestion for you is that you should never buy one of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► And I genuinely hope that you you stick with that other I don't know if that will happen or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► but now you gotta stay strong baby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► I think I'm speaking as your friend I don't think that you should ever get one of these I think you will always be kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► of sad about. It and your current watch looks so cool every time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I mean nothing's going to change much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► but the one thing that's slightly swayed made us wait isn't decided that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Now I've decided to Suakin M M M I know you shouldn't say this publicly which is interesting as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► but decided to switch on my hopes lotto pretty strongly. Oh really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► and I know I really respond to game I find my fitness so you know I need you know all the calorie counting devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► and exercise monitoring and I get quite into that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► So I'm doing that and I've got a whole set up on my phone and and it works fine on my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► But it does make me think some of this would be easier to watch when I go out for a run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► or a war can things like that but I still think the phone does well enough that I don't I don't need a watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► I have been surprised at how effective the game if occasion of the watch has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► and I am someone who has been exposed to game if occasion through all kinds of various systems for a long period of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► time like video games do this kind of where the term king of Cajun comes from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► They're always trying to get their hooks into your brain with making you complete stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► or just working in tension Lee kind of addictive or goal seeking behaviors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► And I'm relatively immune to those things and I guess I don't know how long I've had to watch them maybe a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► or just slightly under a month but I am surprised at how strongly it is sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► and I think the real key factor is whoever Apple made the decision that the activity tracker is a series of circles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► that you need to close verses progress bars that you need to complete. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► I think that little decision was really genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► and having it then on your watch face so that you are aware of these open circles every time you look at your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2391">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Watch it's surprisingly effective and has a unexpectedly large staying power like an unsolved Rubik's Cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► or something something that just knows it yet has yes it needs shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► Visually a thing that is incomplete and I think if you did little progress bars it wouldn't quite be as effective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► But the notion of like oh I can close this loop and I can see on my watch that all three of those circles are filled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► It's it's it's very effective. Now I'm curious to see you know six months from now is it still that effective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► But I would have I would have expected that by this point my brain would have already learned to kind of not care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► those circles. And that has not been that has not been the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► And the Apple Watch also does give you these little badges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► when you complete various tasks like oh if you're unusually active in a particular day it gives you like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2452">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► And the horse things things I can I am never I was never the kid in school who wanted stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► but those little badges are surprisingly well received by me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► when it popped up on the watch I think I got the little badge and now it adds to my collection on the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► As someone who in school didn't really respond to teachers trying to give out gold stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► and things I wouldn't have thought that would be as effective as it actually is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► But I do know from my experience teaching that stickers are shockingly effective at motivating kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► I never really used stickers that much when I was teaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► and it was because I just couldn't internalize how much kids wanted completion stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► or little stamps on their homework. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2507">TS</a>]
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00:41:50 ◼ ► when I did bust out the stickers of the stamps kids would kids would murder each other in their sleep to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► additional gold star. It was it was just amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► How much people respond to this totally arbitrary thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► and especially if you have the good stickers that some kids want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► It was it was it was like an ethical to use stickers to motivate children to do particularly tasks I couldn't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► it and I didn't use a very much but it was it was just bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► and now I find myself in the same kind of way I like what I do on my sticker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► or there's what there's one stick that I know I'll never get because it's something about quadrupling your daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► exercise goal and I already started the daily exercise goal of being very very high very active life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► So there's no way that I can ever reach that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► And I find my brain sometimes going you know maybe you should just reset the whole system so that you can get to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and have good Drupal of your exercise activity just to get the sticker was like wait wait what do you what are you suggesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► grain that we do worse with regards to our health activity for the period of a month to get a meaningless sequence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► pixels on a phone screen and the brain says yes that is exactly what I'm proposing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and I make it look like I don't know I mean utterly utterly respond to that I was so into collecting sports cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► when I was young so I totally I tend to get those loops really plug into the completionist part of your brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► I mean look at May I make a video of every element on the periodic table. You know I'm still like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Now once again that they will get the pokémon effect you know if you have one you have to get all of them now. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► The same one the thing with this watch face thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► The funny thing is it feels like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► when the Apple Watch comes out everyone's like what's this going to mean for all the glamour watch friends you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► a going to have to you know introduce their own smart watches and trying to catch up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► And yet it feels like Apple is the one to pay. They're the ones who are trying to make their watches look like a Rolex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2633">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► or a tank they're like they're the ones who are the who are the who are the the poor cousins they shouldn't be the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► cousins they should be just turning their back on the old ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► and saying OK you can wear euro dumb watches I've heard them called which is a term I don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► I've heard them called dumped on watches they should be turning their back and say what just with your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► and you second but instead they're like oh I don't know when you but look we trying to look like an Amiga. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► It's like well I'm gonna just give those give those old brains a kick up the backside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► and say that's just not how we roll anymore. Instead I think that are in themselves a disservice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► Some of the interviews I've seen with Johnny Ive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► and some of the material that Apple has released it does feel weirdly like they are trying to prove themselves as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► member of the watch world that we know we where right up there with all of these luxury watch brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and I agree with you I think the smarter play is almost to pretend like they don't exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► Yeah and to just say we're doing our own amazing thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► and who cares about the approval of Swiss watchmakers do they think our watches are good or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► Well you know we've just made this thing and we put it out in the world the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► but it does it does feel I think your comment earlier has has a ring of truth to it to me that that like Johnny Ive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► once other watchmakers to like his watch designs and and is like no just make your own thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► Just it's a different it's a different new thing in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► Yes it's related to watches that have come before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► but really it's much more it's much more the next step in the world of computing than it is the next step in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► I was actually at the Science Museum in London just the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► and I was walking past some of the early difference engines and I took a little picture of my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2754">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Apple Watch in front of difference engine number two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► This is progress because I really do feel that there's a much straighter line from the Difference Engine to the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Watch than there is from a Rolex to an apple watch like they're just different creatures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► They're not even remotely the same. Like you sent me that image of your watch face a second ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► And if I was going to describe it you know it's clean and simple and all the things I would expect from a C G P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► Gray watch face. But it is almost childlike as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► It's like a it's like a childish representation of a of an adult's watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► To me yeah I really don't like the hands and I don't like the ring that goes around on my watch face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► That's the utility watch face for those listening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► There's a watch face that I like much better which is called simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► but I really want the calendar that I have on the bottom there that shows what I have currently signed up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► But of course because of Johnny Ives design limitations you can't get both. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► I can't get the little calendar thing on the bottom on the watch face that I actually like more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► And I see no reason for that. Thanks to all of the dot com for supporting the podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► Now last time I checked all of those listing more than one hundred eighty thousand titles in its range of audiobooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and other spoken material that number seems to be going up all the time in fact I think they should have one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► little counters on their website constantly showing what the tally is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2842">TS</a>]
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00:47:32 ◼ ► but if you haven't got into listening to books as well then you really should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2852">TS</a>]
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00:47:42 ◼ ► lying in bed with your partner or going to drive with friends maybe just sitting on a train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2862">TS</a>]
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00:48:07 ◼ ► mountain books that really makes it compelling as a listen especially if you're listening while doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► outdoorsy itself. Everest books are always a favorite of mine but I also have to admit Cato books are also great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2892">TS</a>]
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00:48:23 ◼ ► and death on the world's most dangerous mountain by Ed Viesturs and David Roberts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► I'm sorry if I can't pronounce its name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2909">TS</a>]
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00:49:22 ◼ ► Let's move on to the thing that everyone wants us to talk about. Oh what is that Brady. The F. Word the F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► Word flags all the flag a portion of our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► We have we have reached a critical mass of different things happening and requests and tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and e-mails for us to no longer be able to ignore the what the people want and what the people want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► and play it out at our show notes for a long time I have had a flag corner with a few things that I wanted to discuss. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/2991">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► But on any particular show it always felt a bit out of place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► But you are entirely right there has been a critical mass of flag news recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► Now that it is time to talk about I want to start with what is the most exciting piece of flag news which is the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► Zealand flag referendum this is a no brainer for me I can't believe we're even having a referendum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► This is the easiest decision in the history of flag I don't know where you're going with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3024">TS</a>]
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00:50:35 ◼ ► plain black flag with a silver Vanna White turn in the center. But that is their flag already boom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► I could not agree more with you. Oh that's no fun. That's no good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► I think the whole purpose of a great it doesn't want to be the purpose of our podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► but I will say a few years ago on the Vexillology sub Reddit I saw someone basically do a kind of modified version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3052">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the black background and the silver fern leaf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► and the instant I saw that I thought man that is just a much better flag for New Zealand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and it is also I think fits one of the criteria that it is distinct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► There are not very many black flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and it makes New Zealand stand out if you are looking at a list of all of the flags of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► It's great looking I mean how familiar was New Zealand sort of rugby pedigree Dimly I mean I know the team is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► the All Blacks and they did a little dance the haka a little bit. Yes a little dances. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► It's a whole it's more of a war dance that little dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► but I didn't mean me to say that it was that it was it was the the All Blacks being dainty and right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3111">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Giving little spins and things. Everybody knows what it is they're standing in front of the Australian rugby team. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► If you'd like to ensure decoder ring. Yes Shake shake in the churches. Exactly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► First I first came across this on on a documentary that I'm going to recommend which is called murderball. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► I don't know if you've seen this or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► I think I have a murderball of this documentary which is about wheelchair rugby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► I really like stuff that I expect to not like it all going into it and so I was thinking oh a documentary about sports. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► I thought I'm going to have a hard time with this one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know if I have a lot of interest in this is like. But man was this amazing to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► And it is about these guys who have for various reasons become paralyzed in some way or other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► but playing wheelchair rugby and I'm thinking like oh God what you know how are they going to handle it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► And they are just brutal with each other and it is an amazing documentary to go score. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► And it's a very I had to say that the whole way that it works in the Paralympic Games was very interesting that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► actually they assign points based on how able bodied the various players are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► And so a team has a certain number of points that they need to distribute among their their players. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► But I would like more able bodied players cost them more point wise which is their way of keeping everything very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► interesting. But I was actually in that documentary that the New Zealand team was doing the Haka. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► This is just an intimidating war dance. You know it's it's a very it's a very impressive thing to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► And that's I think that's probably the first place I ever came across this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► when I mention this is a thing that the regular rugby team does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► and so of course the Paralympic rugby team is going to do it as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► Anyway if anybody hasn't seen it I highly recommend murderball but that is that is now the entire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Thirty of my knowledge about the New Zealand rugby team. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► Well I mean obviously the pride of New Zealand and they wear the black with the super fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► and I tell you why the New Zealand Government has got this website where everyone has like submitted possible flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► designs and we'll put a link in the shiners and you can spend hours going through all these designs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► It just seems like a total waste of time to me. I mean it's just delaying the inevitable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► If they don't if they don't use that as their flag and they go for some compromise which is half the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► and half the black with the fan out there that would be a mistake the first thing I wanted to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► when I hear there's going to be a referendum is how are they going to vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► or what the voting this is going to be this is this is even more than looking at the flag designs this is the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► spent time trying to find out is going oh wow OK the referendum has been approved how is this going to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► I think they've done a very interesting very good way of doing this which is step one is the website we're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► and I think if anybody in the world you don't even have to be from New Zealand can submit a flag design so they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► sabotage the process right. You can attempt to sabotage the process right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► You can submit a flag design of I don't know New Zealand being attacked by a jellyfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► and then Australia urinating on them I guess is that what your black design would think it would more likely be OK with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► that sheep jokes so easy you got to keep it simple you got to keep it simple for the New Zealanders. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► There are simple earth simple folk across the Tasman the New Zealanders tweet Brady. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► We as a people can submit these various designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3342">TS</a>]
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00:56:16 ◼ ► particular to the whole world is taking a look at the twenty twelve London Olympics versus the twenty ten Vancouver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► and looked it up the London Olympics had some of the worst design iconography I have every seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and a horrible horrible one eye monster logo creatures that were just terrified of him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3396">TS</a>]
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00:57:09 ◼ ► They were like that with droplets of steel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3429">TS</a>]
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00:57:34 ◼ ► Yeah and but everything about the London stuff was just Sastre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3454">TS</a>]
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00:58:20 ◼ ► Then they had these excellent mascots. The design iconography was really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3500">TS</a>]
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00:58:58 ◼ ► and mascots and we want to see what anybody can come up with and it was just a pair of two people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3538">TS</a>]
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00:59:22 ◼ ► or will ever be a better design to lympics than that one. It was it was astounding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► So so I think I think New Zealand is taking the right approach here basically by doing this competition of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► anyone can try to design a flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► Now even though you and I both already know I think many people have the idea of what the New Zealand flag should be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► You never know somebody might come along with something that was really amazing that nobody ever thought of that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► actually do like better but the way this process is going to work is that of all of the ones that are created. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► New Zealand has then put together a committee of people who will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3595">TS</a>]
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01:00:09 ◼ ► with the existing one excluding the existing flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3609">TS</a>]
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01:00:19 ◼ ► when you're doing a public design this is exactly the way I think you should do it because if you just tell the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3619">TS</a>]
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01:01:26 ◼ ► It's much better if you have someone who is a moderator who is going through the questions that people have asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3686">TS</a>]
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01:02:27 ◼ ► Someone who wears a hat to a lecture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3747">TS</a>]
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01:02:39 ◼ ► of the audience you can sometimes feel that the moderators are bending the questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3759">TS</a>]
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01:04:17 ◼ ► a little bit of an edge in the in the voting system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► But overall I have to say thumbs up New Zealand you know that they did a very good job selecting how this process is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3861">TS</a>]
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01:04:34 ◼ ► flag change or does it have to be about two thirds to change the flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3874">TS</a>]
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01:04:55 ◼ ► and I'm going to try him out my New Zealand and find out what the what the feeling is over there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► He'll ask a few of his mates pretty much know the result of the election. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/3901">TS</a>]
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01:08:38 ◼ ► Time after time after time and each time I was thinking oh why didn't I think of that course. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► Oh they're so clever it was terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► I'd much rather have failed at the original hay in front of like forty people in a small room then on the big stage so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► I got my comeuppance. The moral of that story is don't succeed and get the yeah you'll just be promoted until you fail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► Yeah exactly just glory glory stage. So the Astrarium back to you know whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► Yeah I figured you would you would not really have a strong opinion about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► I kind of think the thing is in the case of New Zealand there's just like an obvious choice like they already have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► flag the fact they haven't but the fact they're not using that flag is almost silly you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► And in the case of Australia there's no real obvious standout contender other than maybe the Aboriginal flag which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► brilliant flag but that's just the Aboriginal flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► and you couldn't really adopt a national flag because because it has been taken by one group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► but I mean the Aboriginal facts fantastic like the yellow circle the other son. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► So it represents before the sun and the condom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4194">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► That's a pretty good one and it's a good flag you know it's very striking and it's trying to it's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► Connick like it's got massive recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► but again it's just got recognition for one group so you know they're very important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► You couldn't really do that in national flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► I mean some people say heaviest rain flag but replace the Union Jack with the Aboriginal flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► but then we start getting into Pat's lectures on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► and I'm sure we're going to come out of that the minute the symbolic meaning according to the designer as this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► we could be is that the red the red of the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► and that would have to fit for Australia the yellow of course the sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► and then the black is the Aboriginal people of Australia that these are the three colour elements of the flag of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► Yeah I think US trillion has an obvious choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► and that the new US JOINT flag should have again a red earth for the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► and then above it it should just show a cloud raining spiders down on a terrified population that should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► Maybe maybe I mean I mean I would imagine if a study was going to change its flag green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► and go would be that the sort of two colors associated with this tragedy of Australians. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► So so sort of a green and yellow colors I'd imagine would pay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► In some people's mind and of the green one I think Australia ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► No I know but strangely because it's like the colour a national chain usually wears yellow or green and yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► and like the waterfall flower with the green in the yellows and a Strat in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► and maybe I'm showing my cricket part of it too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► but I think it might be I think as sport teams tend to wear green yellow or green and yellow together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► Maybe I'd head that way even though it's not a particularly cool colour combo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► but what do I know I mean it comes up a lot of strata rages on in these trains like it is a perennial issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► Yeah well I think the reason that it comes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► and Australia is the fact of having the Union Jack on the flag which I was trying to look it up before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► and I think the only other places that have the Union Jack that are nations anyway are Fiji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► and two volume I think those are the only nation level places that have the flag that is not associated with it are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► a Commonwealth nations or any of the million things I list in my U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► Video people don't e-mail me talking about independent nations that still have a Union Jack on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► I think those are the only ones. And also don't contact us about the use of union jack versus Union flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► It is both of those terms are completely legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► but it's too late people have already sent you messages saying you should've said you Jack as it was flying from a ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► Which isn't even true this is like how that just drives me crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► but you know whatever this is another falsehood that will just you know be there until the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► and that's another classic example of one that gets discussed so often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► But from both sides that you actually forget which one is right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► Like you know like I know one of them is right and one of them from both of them are right they are both right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► I'm just talking that with union jack like is allowed or not that I can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but whichever it is there is one I just kind of know which one it is is a little not well it is a left right that both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► I looked it up with I forgot what it was like that with the Royal flag Association of the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► or Something whatever it was like I got confirmation from a primary source. Blacks anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► So I was just having a pregnant pause I just felt like OK I'm sorry I'll give you a moment to collect your thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► before we move on to the next bit of flag news so much of it which one unit in X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► I want to do the world flag next I I got so many tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► and e-mails about this that I shamed It was a big like burning international story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► I'm now beginning to think this is just a little mana thing but it's just inundated Erinn boxes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4434">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► I know I know nothing about this except what I know from Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► and I get the impression that this is I don't know what it's like this is just something that that someone made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► It's a student project is that what it is that you look at I was trying to find out precisely what it is it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► well done student project with some kind of peer behind it maybe other nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► Anyway some some person in Sweden I don't even know if it's a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► or a woman has designed what I think the flag of planet Earth should pay. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► Presumably if we go and stick one on the soil of Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► or you know if if we have a need to be represented as a whole planet rather than a nation what would ask like Bay which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► is quite an interesting intellectual exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► and I think it is that it is an excellent intellectual exercise so to some some people are saying this proposed design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► by the student. Some people why do you want to have a bash at describing at first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► OK So this particular flag for Earth to again to paint an audio picture for the listeners to buy three isn't a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► or three real standard two by three ratio it is a blue background slightly more more dark blue the light blue I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► saying royal blue maybe royal blue is an excellent excellent description every spot on and in the centre there are on T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► There are seven overlapping rings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► I'm sitting six on I seventy that's one of the middle seven so there is if you imagine a single ring in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► and then overlapping around it there are six additional rings. So seven in total and the rings are white. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► You really need to look at this this is a perfectly adequate description sort of like imagine imagine a row blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► background and imagine the five of them big rings but there are seven of them instead and they're all white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► and they're interlocking and they've been bunched into the center a bit more rather than spread out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► Yes And the way the design is done is to give you the impression that they are interlocked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► So there is their little cut outs around the edges are you trying to see like oh this ring goes over that ring so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► interlock in all of these various ways sort of a bar and ring with thing going on a kind of flower. Yes I can to my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► Yeah I can see it's almost like. Makes me think of the cow almost. Yeah yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► Or is it like the Japanese provincial flag it has that feel to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► So there we go we've had a description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and before we talk about whatever we're going to talk about what do you like your verdict on what do you think of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► If this was if someone said this is going to be the flag of Earth from now on would you be angry happy so where would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► you stand on this was chosen I think this is I think this is terribly boring design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► It's ages is a yawn task is the way I would describe this design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4612">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► Earth is amazing and this flag I feel like it captures literally nothing that is Earth like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► or that relates to the excitement of of the planet Earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► So I'm just I don't think it is a bad flag design I think it's kind of a good looking flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► but for something else I don't I don't see how this this doesn't make me think of earth in any way I don't think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► it is a good enough symbol to be representative of an entire planet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► I don't I don't I don't like it but what do you think a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► Well all come on BRADY You know I was so sure that she wouldn't like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► I was not always sure when I when I found that what I was and I went to click on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► I went to it not wanting to like it and when I first looked at I thought I don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► and I started thinking about the reasons I don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► And the more of the more I thought about it the more I think kudos my friend. Kudos ask Pat and failed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► I'm not sure it would be my first choice or would win a vote and I think there has its deficiencies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► but I wouldn't I wouldn't like to leave the planet in a huff if it was decided that this was going to be a lengthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► thing I would think. Not their choice actually not a bad choice I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► I think it kind of it it kind of is sufficiently abstract to know anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► and yet it kind of makes me think of it because although we think of it as you know things sort of very green really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► from space it really is pretty blue. And this does look like a big blue sea with sort of a white cloud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► And yet the rings have a kind of an aspiration to them of sort of togetherness that we aspire to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► and an extra level of organization beyond beyond just the haphazardness of nature that is symbolic of a humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and I think I think it's pretty good. I think it's a little bit finnicky day and find out maybe for a big flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► But overall I think it's a really good effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► I think it is a good flag but I just don't think that it fit for the flag of our earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► and I do also agree that there is too much detail in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► The overlapping this of the Rings is kind of where it falls down for me in that it's too it's too precise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► And he particularly for a flag for Earth I feel it needs to be crystal clear at a distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► and there's just too much too much on this one I got to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► Yeah and it's a perfect example for me is on the Web site itself if you're looking at it in the brown. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4793">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► As Or I don't know if you have it open right now. I don't have open. Does your browser have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► If you're in Chrome you'll see the have the favorite icon you know on the top of the browser where it shows like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► little picture that represents the whole page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► Yeah I can say that and you lose all the data right now to me the flag of Earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► It has to be distinct at that I think is like thirty two pixel by thirty two pixels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► Fav icon size and it is not distinct at that size on the web page I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► when you start saying it because it's been on this Web site it's been rendered in various locations like an astronaut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► uniforms and making holes and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► It does start to look a little bit corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► and market was designed by the European Union like it does it does start to it does go a bit far down that path. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► I'll give you that but you know the American flag the most iconic of flags is incredibly fussy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► but a little like a little kid could never draw I mean we must have discussed this before I'm not a fan of the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► I think the American flag is way too busy and is kind of hideous You know like your work for America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► but I am I am not a big fan of the American flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► and I know why there's thirteen scribes like thirteen stripes too many fifty stars I mean come on who are you who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► when it eventually get to fifty one it's going to be hideous for everybody who likes things neatly arranged on the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► last picture on this page is the earth flag next to the American flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and they both suffer from the same design problem in my mind of it's like too much too much going on on this flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► but I know that from a distance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► but I think if you have humans making a flag about Earth that they are planting on other planets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► and using to represent themselves you have to have it be blue and green at the very minimum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4912">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Like there needs to be a green design element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► and if you don't have that I feel like I'm not going to get on board with your Earth flag there has to be green on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► otherwise I'm not and I'm not getting onboard with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► I initially thought that and was really surprised at first when I didn't say green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► and my thinking on that has changed and I think it doesn't need grain but I understand why you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► but I think I don't know I think you're showing a kind of a prejudice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► I'm showing some some land mammal centrism here is what I'm doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► Fair enough it is a flag designed by humans like you said I just think that it doesn't need that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► I think they're I think that would almost be a cliche because at first I thought clearly it's going to have you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► global some kind of thing or you know round objects to represent a planet floating in space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► But then it occurred to me if all the planets in the universe had flags they wouldn't be planets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► but I don't think that was special because they were a sphere floating in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► and that's not that's not what makes us special and workwise like life and plant life and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► Probably also not what makes us special. What does make a special I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► Do the seven rings represent the fact we're where loosely arranged the seven continents I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► but if so OK that's you know that's well that's something unique to us in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► and I think I think the flag should project what we think is unique about us compared to what other planets may be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► as opposed to just you know being a planet if you want to be what's unique about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and it should be a flag of a monkey. That's what's going to actually be unique about our planet versus other planets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► I totally agree with you that if we're having some kind of United Federation of Planets everybody is going to show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► with their circle on a black background with the colors of the planet flag and like oh this is embarrassing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► So I agree with you that the most obvious thing cannot possibly actually be the choice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5033">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Actually we're going to run into other civilizations just like this doesn't work at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► Yeah and that also does increase Incredibly the likelihood that they're going to be blue and green combinations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Yeah Green has to do with photosynthesis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► That's not going to be an unusual color out there in the universe it is not an easy project. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► What I was trying to look up what we were talking and I almost can't believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► but as I have mentioned many times before one of my favorites about it is the Vexillology sub Reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and one of the things they do that I adore is almost every month they have a design competition for flags Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► and they often just pick some kind of interesting in arbitrary contests of They'll say Oh make a flag for the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► or make a flag for this other thing and I was trying to find it I can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► I almost can't believe that they haven't done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► but I can't just googling around find a Vexillology contest for a flag for Earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► I will put it in the show notes if I find it later. But I would love to see with the people at factual A-G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► Come up with because they come up with just great great flag design sometimes for all kinds of things in a soon as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► see it you think yes that is that is perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► You've designed a better flag for read it and read it could ever design for read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► or yes this is a great flag for the Internet or yes this is a perfect flag for Antarctica. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► What about like the hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► I believe it's a great flag with the words high not because you wouldn't allow words on a flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► So how we're going to get around. I mean obviously it has to be gray colored. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► Yeah because you shoehorn that branding in before we even launched so I never you approved of the logo before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► launched. Yeah yeah designs. You didn't have any alternatives. There was no shoe horning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► Now I know I would be very curious to see what the Internet can come up with with alternative flags for hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► I do agree that the letters are the letters are problematic. Our show has almost literally no other design elements. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► and I think I think how the Internet has become has become so big now that it probably even transcends conventional flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► design rules. Yes that's true that's true worldwide phenomenon. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► So just before we leave this world flag thing can you give me any more ideas about what a great designer world would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► look like I know I know you don't claim to be the world's strongest designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► but I've said before this is why I am very interested in design is precisely because I am not good at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► and on the occasions I have tried to do stuff like this it always turns out comically childish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► and that is why the art style in my videos is often comically childish it's not like this is not one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► people on the Internet is Allie Brosh who does an excellent website called Hyperbole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and a half just filled with brilliant brilliant writing and she has an art style that is very childish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► but it is intentionally childish and she occasionally posts or actual artwork and it is phenomenal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Whereas my childish artwork is actually the peak of my abilities like I'm concentrating really hard in sticking out my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► tongue like while I'm trying to draw these things perfectly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► And this is actually the apex of my ability so I I could not come up with anything better than this flag of planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► Earth design. All I can be is a real grump and just sit here and say Now thumbs down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► I don't like that and they say Wait where's your better flag and I go I don't have one that's that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► Yeah well it happens. Well I'm giving it a surprising thumbs up. It's a pride. I didn't want to lie and I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► Now I was sent another flag link during the wake because a TED talk by Roman. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► So he's the host of ninety nine percent visit Oh yeah which I have of this in too much by now you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► Yes I highly recommend it. Hey did a TED Talk about flags and I don't really watch many TED talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5272">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Just because they're a bit too long. Seventeen minutes was more than willing to spend in a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► But but so many people had sent it to me and I knew it was going to talk about flags on the part of the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and I thought OK I'll start watching it. Turns out it was a fabulous talk. I really recommend it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► I really enjoyed it will put the link in the shiners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► but the one thing that did strike me was it was almost like a mirror image of a sudden stop here for a second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► OK stop here for a second. Now I'm stuck with a few dozen as I have not watched this video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► OK And I have not watched the video for a very particular reason which is that I totally love the ninety nine percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► of visible pod cast is excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► Roman Mars does an amazing job but I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► when I saw all of this stuff coming out on Twitter I was absolutely crushed because my intended video for this month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5334">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► was called How to design a flag and when I saw all of this stuff coming out I knew my one of my my constant fears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► and the problem with being so slow at making videos is this kind of moment of getting scooped in a sense by someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► else scooped in gigantic quotation marks here because like if it was that made up nobody owns the facts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► But when when your life is about making viral videos you know that there is only so much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► and attention for a particular topic in a particular time frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► and so I thought oh man I've got it I've got to shelve this project and normally I would disagree grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► and say no no no don't be silly gray like there's room enough for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► but if your video is about what I imagine your video would be about. You've been talking. Here's what I want to guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► I want to guess what the. Structure of his video is OK and if I guess right then we can keep talking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► and I'm wrong then there is a potential for me to sometimes do a video about this in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► but my guess is that Roman Mars went through the design guidelines from the North American vector logical Association [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► and used various flags as examples of why they're good or why they're not good. Correct. So is there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► I'm sorry if it was it was crushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► and I have I have actually been I've actually been kind of floundering the last two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► or so trying to figure out what I'm going to be working on as my next project has like a man if this had just been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► little longer I could have scooped it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► but I mean I mean I can imagine what your video would be like based on our extensive talk about flags in a previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► protest but you know because you talked about a lot of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► and I imagine a lot of those things you said would inform your video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► when I watched this TED video it was so similar and it's so cold all the things you said and believe about legs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► and all the things you said that I actually thought something suspicious was going on. I thought either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Hey listen to our podcast which is incredibly unlikely or you had heard him talk about this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► and it so informs your thinking that you were kind of parroting what he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► or the third option which is probably the true action is that you go I should think the exact same thing about flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and it's based on these design guidelines because it is Ted this TED talk was like deja vu all over again for a protest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► and I are drawing from the same source material yet which I recently came across actually from the Reddit that logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► association because I really came across from the the Reddit like a logical sub read it because they linked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5510">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Do those design guidelines every time they talk about the flag competition as like by the way unless you really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► what you're doing you should probably stick to these rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► and a long time ago I tried to get in contact with the association to tell them why I'm working on a video about this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► would you know I would like to get your approval and like some some be back and talk to some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► and then maybe about three months ago I decided I'm going to move ahead with this project anyway even if I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► hear from from this association. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► And yes so this this had been my big project for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► when I saw on Twitter everybody was suddenly talking about Roman Mars and flags. I know exactly what happened here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► This his his TED talk is going to be the canonical one and there is no point there's no point in continuing with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► So well I mean I mean you will reach a wholly insane wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► and I think I think there's room enough for both of you and I would love to see you do it but I know you well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and I think it's also a bit of professional prodigy that I mean this happens to me all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► This happens to me because I'm experimenting with videos and I make a number file video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and you know vi has done that before or you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► and so has done already done a video on that mathematical thing this is like I'm very thick skinned to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► and I just realize we just don't know what each other is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► and if you've been working on that project for a few months then one stop because he did it it might you know it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► result in some comments of people saying oh you copied him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► and if they think they know because you want to do you want to say as well to your audience and you should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► But anyway yeah well it is an interesting point to discuss because I'm not concerned about people talking about copying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► because I get enough of those comments from people where other people make videos on the same topic that I have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5632">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Two people who are ripping me off and it's like no dude we just made a video about the same thing. Yeah. Or vice versa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► This just happens all the time and that's totally totally fine. So yes this is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► Nobody owns the facts thing everybody gets to make a video and you can do it on whatever topic it is and it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► It is very natural as well that videos that cover the same topic will often have the same structure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► and that's precisely the reason why I always know that if I'm planning to do a video I can't watch other people's videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► on the same topic because then the way they explain something gets in your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and it blocks out your ability to come up with your own way to explain something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► Or perhaps you would focus on something slightly differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► but you see how someone else did it so that's why like I'm not watching I'm not watching the Roman Mars thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► But more importantly is I'm really aware that because I make fewer videos videos that I do make need to be more popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5693">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► So it's actually to put a grotesque way it's a financial decision. You think you think it's less likely to go viral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► It's not so much a financial decision. I wouldn't say it's directly that but it's just I have this I have this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► I think it's like this is a news metaphor talking about oxygen in the room for various topics I feel like this comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► But I feel sometimes I feel like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► when I'm selecting topics it's like it's like I'm walking around in a in a mansion that has an like a almost an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► infinite number of rooms and each room is a potential topic for a video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► And over time some of those rooms build up an amount of oxygen inside them so that if you open them up at the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► time and throw in a little candle they make a big explosion and it's exciting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► And after any particular explosion the oxygen will build up again. But like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5752">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Roman Mars has just thrown a candle into the room about flag design. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► Yeah and so even if I ever want to do that topic which I mean because it's something that I really do like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► I may still make that video at some point in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► but it'll be a long time before that room fills up with oxygen again in a way that people would want to see another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► So that's kind of the way I think about it is is it's I mean like my videos make more money if more people watch them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► But but for me it's much more directly related to the interest in this topic has been burned up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► And so I might as well pick something else and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► but definitely a terrifying thing to do is a slightly side note here is that my my other video that I want to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► part of the reason that I've been kind of floundering is because the other big video that I want to do now I am ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5813">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► eight percent sure that there is somebody else who is working on the exact same topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► and will probably be able to beat me to that one as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► So you know a little bit like you know I got like surprise kicked in the pants once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► and then the next thing that I want to do I feel like I don't necessarily want to start that because I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUwFWSc/5835">TS</a>]
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