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H.I. #36: Bear O'Clock


00:00:00   I've to look good not to smile for this it's like they're like a funny pose [TS]

00:00:03   and then turn off as you do it like a really funny face and then freeze it because of the smile that worked for you. [TS]

00:00:12   Yeah that's good. Do I sound more free to you at the moment. [TS]

00:00:19   Can you feel the freedom that only comes with being in the United States of America. [TS]

00:00:24   I can definitely tell that you are more free time in your home state. Oh yes you are in New York than the Empire State. [TS]

00:00:32   The greatest name for est ever and I am in New York City talking to you from the Big Apple. [TS]

00:00:38   I am on Manhattan place I do love and I have spent I've been here for about a week and I spent a few days in Boston [TS]

00:00:45   and now I'm back in New York for a few more days doing various things various interviews mainly for a number file. [TS]

00:00:53   In fact do you know who I interviewed who did you interview I interviewed that billionaire that we spoke about in an [TS]

00:01:00   earlier pod cast you know I said I met he was the richest man I'd ever met yet he said How did you interview him [TS]

00:01:04   and I said no not a problem. Every interview you know I went and I interviewed him in his office. [TS]

00:01:10   Very exciting How did that happen. [TS]

00:01:11   It's kind of a long story but it's because he's like a he's a mathematician for a second. [TS]

00:01:16   I actually thought you were going to say he's a fan of the pope [TS]

00:01:18   and I felt I felt a little bit of disappointment there were always a fan of mathematics. [TS]

00:01:24   OK I get more sense but for a moment I thought maybe we would have a billionaire listener. [TS]

00:01:28   Yeah did you say he was a patriotic pledge for a two hundred million dollars an episode. [TS]

00:01:33   Excellent we can retire after this one. Yeah I don't think he has. [TS]

00:01:40   He knew the podcast I don't think you do a tremendous amount about number fall either but he agreed to an interview [TS]

00:01:46   and that will appear soon so stay tuned. [TS]

00:01:49   I'll tell you a story is interesting story I don't know if I should tell this but I'll tell it anyway. [TS]

00:01:53   OK because I went I used a camera man which I never use and he can't so he came along with me and helped me. [TS]

00:02:00   And it's not us it's not a secret so I can say this that that this guy this gentleman does occasionally have a [TS]

00:02:07   cigarette. So you know he smokes. [TS]

00:02:12   I've seen him smoke in public places so I can say you know I'm not I'm not talking of SCO It's funny actually to get to [TS]

00:02:17   business to say someone's Mike's been here. I'm saying Who are you talking about. [TS]

00:02:21   The cameraman smokes are the billionaires the billionaire. [TS]

00:02:23   OK the billionaire the billionaire smacks so you know he's going to do what he wants. [TS]

00:02:28   He's a billionaire and he gives a lot of money to good causes. [TS]

00:02:31   If he wants to have a cigarette I'm not going to judge him. [TS]

00:02:34   Right but what I found really interesting was we went to his office. [TS]

00:02:39   Gorgeous office full of beautiful things beautiful furniture works of art on the wall like you know you could tell it [TS]

00:02:46   was the office of someone who has done well in business [TS]

00:02:51   and then he had like he had he had had a little bit of a cigarette because he'd been working all day so we waited for [TS]

00:02:56   him to finish and that halfway through I think he had another puff of a cigarette and maybe at some other point [TS]

00:03:04   and the interesting thing was each time he had another puff of a cigarette he would then just put out the mostly unused [TS]

00:03:10   cigarette in an ashtray and then when he had another puff he would like start a new cigarette and afterwards [TS]

00:03:18   when we left I was saying to the camera man you know what you think of him you know he has a really nice guy really [TS]

00:03:23   interesting and I was like did he like it. Did it feel like he was really really rich too. [TS]

00:03:28   Like could you tell he was he forgot this is your thing this is your own [TS]

00:03:31   and the only thing the cameraman said was the moment I knew he was rich was when he would like start a new cigarette. [TS]

00:03:38   Each time and he wouldn't like he wouldn't really like the old one [TS]

00:03:42   and I thought that was so of all the things all the works of art and valuable things and stories he told [TS]

00:03:47   and trappings of wealth the one thing the cameramen noticed that made him think he was rich was he starts new [TS]

00:03:53   cigarettes each time he wants a puff. I guess the first puff is the best half I don't know that the way it works. [TS]

00:04:00   If you're a billionaire you might as well only have first puffs you don't have to deal with second puffs. [TS]

00:04:05   I mean I don't think when he's having a whole cigarette he just has first puff first [TS]

00:04:09   but after first puff I would do that if I was a billionaire. I mean assuming that the first puff is the best path. [TS]

00:04:15   I don't know I've never had a puff of a cigarette mean either so we are not able to talk on the top of the critical [TS]

00:04:20   works people of the world to talk about which puff of a cigarette is the best it has to be the first one [TS]

00:04:25   or I don't know maybe there's a sweet spot in the middle of the cigarette where the where you get the best flavor [TS]

00:04:30   or the best nicotine high or buzz on it. If you're a smoker let us know which buffer is the best part. [TS]

00:04:39   I got money on first first puff is the best puff like I imagine the first puff is the best for other reasons because [TS]

00:04:45   you haven't had like a smoke for you know an hour so you badly want one so that first puff seems the best. [TS]

00:04:51   Well that's that's all that matters. The first puff seems the Best Buy because if you sat down for a smoking session. [TS]

00:04:59   OK And like smokers down for smoking sessions yes. [TS]

00:05:03   So now you've had your first puff so you know you can say tonight is going to say all right now I'm going to finish a [TS]

00:05:07   cigarette would it be nicer to have a series of that first he centimetres of a cigarette [TS]

00:05:12   or once you once you got going [TS]

00:05:14   and you've got your momentum going you know is there a sweet spot in the middle of a cigarette that tastes nice [TS]

00:05:20   or all the chemicals of mixed better [TS]

00:05:21   or the oxygens How did you know that temperatures got to some I I don't I am overcome with the need to say don't smoke [TS]

00:05:29   kids. Yeah I think I have to point out that smoking is not necessarily the best idea in fact it's a bad idea. [TS]

00:05:34   Yes it's a terrible idea and neither of us do and we are like we are we are shining examples [TS]

00:05:41   and that's another reason that people should do this again. Yes yes. [TS]

00:05:45   The Brady statue pushing away the coffee Well you know Jubal you pushed for the introvert statue of you inside the [TS]

00:05:51   house and I simply mentioned I think there was no pushing. He started to say he said the saves you were pushing anyway. [TS]

00:06:00   A remarkable thing happened I went to Boston I checked into my hotel in Cambridge where MIT is because I was also doing [TS]

00:06:07   some interviews there plugged in my laptop went on to Twitter [TS]

00:06:12   and then immediately the top tweet was a tweet from very stably interpreters you know basically yeah basically saying I [TS]

00:06:20   just arrived at Boston [TS]

00:06:22   and I'm doing something at MIT tomorrow he was doing like a public talk with Marco Stephens from the source is also a [TS]

00:06:29   friend of mine and I was like that's amazing So like I texted him [TS]

00:06:32   and said I just arrived in Boston as well where are you staying. [TS]

00:06:37   And then as I was rushing another text saying I'm staying at the Cambridge Marriott he sent a text to me that crossed [TS]

00:06:44   over with my text I'm staying at the Cambridge Marriott. [TS]

00:06:47   Half an hour later Derek and Michael and some other You Tube so I hadn't met [TS]

00:06:51   but who really cool turned up I got to hang out with him for a few days and then I was like What are you doing next [TS]

00:06:57   and they're like No we're all going to New York. So they all came back to New York as well and they're all in it. [TS]

00:07:01   It's turned into a big chance to just hang out with the mikes. [TS]

00:07:04   It's amazing there's like a spontaneous smaller U two conference [TS]

00:07:08   and it's the second time this is happening because well because I remember one time I was in Berkeley [TS]

00:07:13   and he just tweeted a picture of that big pyramid E. [TS]

00:07:16   Building in San Francisco and didn't say anything live on Instagram [TS]

00:07:20   and I'm like man you're safe in Cisco I'm here right now as well and that we had dinner that night as well. [TS]

00:07:25   I think maybe he's following me [TS]

00:07:27   when I was just thinking is Derek travels so much that he's like a quantum wave form over all the cities of the world [TS]

00:07:36   at once. And if so there must always be a non-zero chance that Derek is in any particular city at any particular time. [TS]

00:07:43   Or maybe maybe it's more a bit more Schrodinger and he's in two places at the same time. Right right. [TS]

00:07:48   But then then you observe him in Boston and so suddenly he's in Boston [TS]

00:07:52   and he's not in the other places that he could be. [TS]

00:07:54   So if I'd been in San Francisco I could have had dinner with him there as well. [TS]

00:07:57   Yes you could have had dinner with him in San Francisco. [TS]

00:08:00   No it is an infinite number of universes where he sending out messages that even all of the various cities just [TS]

00:08:05   collapses to the one where where you are. [TS]

00:08:07   So maybe maybe bumping into Derek all over the world is much much less unlikely than we might first assume he was very [TS]

00:08:15   he expressed a lot of gratitude to me for starting is how to think. [TS]

00:08:19   Oh did he I'm sure he loved that he he really appreciates it and said that it put out. [TS]

00:08:23   Yeah he put up I really enjoyed all the comments and things that happened as a result he said yeah. [TS]

00:08:27   If i Message him now is that that I'm going to hear from Derek I don't know I don't remember saying Oh OK You know I [TS]

00:08:33   think I might be hearing a different story from Derick a very passive if I actually message him directly I think you [TS]

00:08:38   are full of lines pretty full of lines anyway it was a good it was good fun is good fun to see him and Michael [TS]

00:08:45   and some other new people I met the physics go he is a You Tube or I had not met before but she was nice [TS]

00:08:50   and really the big You Tube edu party. I'm envious. Growing science which is a new channel. [TS]

00:08:57   They go he makes a parallel You Tube channel so I've got a lot of catching up to do. [TS]

00:09:00   I still don't know how you do all this traveling your life exhaust me sometimes I feel like I am still barely caught up [TS]

00:09:06   with getting my life back into some kind of normal semblance from my vacation from three weeks ago [TS]

00:09:12   and you are already flying to different countries [TS]

00:09:15   and then going to different cities you just you're impressive You're hard as nails. [TS]

00:09:19   I AM How does nouns but I have to admit I am struggling a bit this time I want to be back home [TS]

00:09:24   and I have actually said and I don't know if I'll stick to this. [TS]

00:09:28   But now you're going to have proof of it on the podcast I've said I'm going to impose a travel ban for the next three [TS]

00:09:34   months where I'm not going to be away from home for more than one. [TS]

00:09:39   So people on Twitter can keep track of you three months starting when when when when does this begin. [TS]

00:09:44   I want to try and do in May June and July at home. [TS]

00:09:48   OK May June and July keep an eye on him people [TS]

00:09:51   or if I go away for more than two knots that will be with my wife on a holiday. OK. Yes holidays don't count. [TS]

00:09:58   Yeah but otherwise. [TS]

00:10:00   If you're if you're filming in San Francisco or elsewhere that does that does count [TS]

00:10:05   and you've broken your trouble them. [TS]

00:10:08   I wish I hadn't said it now you did say it precisely because you want people to hold you to it. [TS]

00:10:13   It's good you're a euro that's what that's why you brought it up help me too. [TS]

00:10:17   Don't forget Twitter never forget never forget the Internet never forgets. [TS]

00:10:21   Now I think people are people I was going to say I think people are going to ask people have asked asked I don't know [TS]

00:10:28   what they want us to do or say but obviously there's been a great tragedy in the poll as we speak [TS]

00:10:33   and I guess because we talk about in the poll the Mount Everest of the on the podcast people you know as opposed to [TS]

00:10:39   some tragedies people are more likely to ask us about this. [TS]

00:10:42   Has this crossed the C G P Great news radar the earthquake in the bow. [TS]

00:10:46   Yes I haven't been on Twitter very much but [TS]

00:10:48   when I did log on Twitter I saw a bunch of messages all telling me oh I guess the random acts of intelligence trip to [TS]

00:10:56   base camp is off with links to various news articles [TS]

00:10:59   and yes the first thing that I saw was that there had been some massive avalanche down to base camp which you assured [TS]

00:11:05   me was perfectly safe and instead resulted in the deaths of numerous people. [TS]

00:11:10   So this is this is how it originally came across my radar and then looking into it it seems like it has been a much. [TS]

00:11:16   A much bigger earthquake than just that one incident I have to say I I am staggered by how widespread this is because [TS]

00:11:24   it didn't quite happen that close to Mt Everest. I mean it's devastated. [TS]

00:11:28   Katmandu which is quite a way from Mount Everest [TS]

00:11:31   and has been really sad saying I mean obviously it's incredibly sad a number of people who died [TS]

00:11:35   but it's also been really said seeing a lot of the landmarks and buildings that I really enjoyed [TS]

00:11:39   and took photos of him stuff in Katmandu have just been destroyed. [TS]

00:11:45   But then also Mount Everest I guess is pretty fragile in the Himalaya [TS]

00:11:49   and you know shaking these mounds around can dislodge snow [TS]

00:11:53   but I've been amazed by the scale of the impact it had a Mount Everest. I still think we'd have to be. [TS]

00:12:00   Very unlucky because you're only ever at base camp itself. [TS]

00:12:03   Sort of an arrow tell you when you do the trip and like [TS]

00:12:07   and you still would have been unlikely to have been right in the heart of base camp. [TS]

00:12:11   I feel where you are you're trying to back into the still base camp trip is that where this is going as you try to [TS]

00:12:17   but actually still we can go to base camp. [TS]

00:12:19   Well I don't want to save the whole tourist industry of the Khumbu Valley obliterated because of you know you know that [TS]

00:12:27   means that this is the time we should be supporting them. [TS]

00:12:29   Listen listen the kind of people who are going to go to Everest. [TS]

00:12:33   This is not going to stop them [TS]

00:12:34   but I don't think there are a lot of people on the margins of who maybe I'll go maybe I won't if you're going to [TS]

00:12:40   Everest. You know you're the kind of person who's going to Everest. [TS]

00:12:43   I bet you I bet you the tourist trade is perfectly fine. [TS]

00:12:47   But but they'll be totally OK with people going back to Everest will not have paid not a scaredy cats like you Kate [TS]

00:12:53   but I was never going to Everest in the first you're right [TS]

00:12:56   and you're coming back if the rest of us can know that you know my my statement was that the value proposition changes [TS]

00:13:02   if everybody goes. [TS]

00:13:03   But the value proposition has changed again with earthquake the avalanche of death now very clearly on the horizon as [TS]

00:13:10   well as what you promised me was like oh you'll just be able to relax at base camp you get to chill out just hang out [TS]

00:13:17   and now you're back to only be there for an hour. [TS]

00:13:19   It won't be very dangerous and I don't like to misinterpret what this base camp trip is like you don't go [TS]

00:13:23   and spend like time at base camp it's a bit like it's a bit like going on a trip to Paris [TS]

00:13:30   and yet you spend like half an hour at the top of the Eiffel Tower because that's what you do. [TS]

00:13:34   But there's like weeks of stuff on the side and it's like that was by sleep so forget it. [TS]

00:13:40   Weeks now it's snow it's a long walk. [TS]

00:13:45   I have I have to admit I was talking to Dick about it last night [TS]

00:13:48   and I did say we were talking about what happened in the poll [TS]

00:13:52   and then we're also talking about well I guess this is going to put a damper on the chances a great coming with us [TS]

00:13:58   and then he told me about it. A walk in the wilderness that you guys did the day before I arrived in Alabama. [TS]

00:14:04   Oh yeah you know I went there for that. [TS]

00:14:06   I wasn't there but I was told and I was shown photographic proof that you were a bit of a lightweight [TS]

00:14:12   and you were like oh it's so steep and so rocky [TS]

00:14:15   and like I saw a picture if you like gingerly holding onto a tree as if you're going to fall over while everyone else [TS]

00:14:20   was just hanging around like they were normal human beings. [TS]

00:14:24   So when I saw that I was like oh I will if I want to see this is a problem. [TS]

00:14:28   I won't try to defend myself except for the fact that I was wildly unprepared with the foot gear [TS]

00:14:33   and that would have been much less of a problem if I actually had boots [TS]

00:14:36   but I had completely worn down perfectly smooth sneakers trying to walk down hills with wet leaves on them so this was [TS]

00:14:44   not ideal circumstances and I was not describe what this would be like probably on purpose. [TS]

00:14:50   Before we set off on it that was not my idea of an entertaining time I believe I called it a death march on the the [TS]

00:14:57   random acts of intelligence stage is what it felt like. [TS]

00:15:00   Specially because Henry of Minute Physics who some kind of super hero decides that after he's gotten off a long plane [TS]

00:15:06   flight the thing he needs to do to recuperate is basically March at top speed through the woods [TS]

00:15:13   and so this is this is why we were there in the first place. [TS]

00:15:15   You get off the plane and I go what do I do is I want to march through the woods and so we did [TS]

00:15:20   and as I was I am not prepared for this. [TS]

00:15:22   I I did not sign up for this I would never have have gone along with this if I knew it was an advance [TS]

00:15:27   and you get to make fun of it because you weren't there at the time [TS]

00:15:30   but I guarantee if you had been bought blindsided by that you would have been grumpy like me [TS]

00:15:35   and I'm pretty Had I had it all I could walk but like I mean I couldn't keep up with Henry he's like ridiculous [TS]

00:15:43   but it wasn't a walk it was a descent is the best way to put it. [TS]

00:15:46   Like I enjoy a good walk as well but this was not a good walk. [TS]

00:15:51   You look at you like a nice walk like you know I carry London to a big about oh something surprising you forget man [TS]

00:15:58   I've got into the Nash. [TS]

00:16:00   No parks are not is not is is totally in the city kind of person as you think I am all the time anyway. [TS]

00:16:08   Base camp not going to happen. Let's bottom line. [TS]

00:16:11   But it also was never going to happen this doesn't really change anything. [TS]

00:16:15   I still think those chaps are going to I'm going to work on it but there is a non-zero chance you are correct. [TS]

00:16:20   OK something we talked about in the last podcast [TS]

00:16:25   or maybe even the last couple of podcasts has been the whole issue of interacting with retail workers. Yes yes. [TS]

00:16:31   Should you you know should you have like a little have a nice day chat if you're a regular and stuff like that. [TS]

00:16:38   I think quite possibly this is the topic I have received the most tweets about. [TS]

00:16:43   And the thing that I was finding kind of frustrating at first was I was getting all the tweets so at Brady Haran said [TS]

00:16:51   No C.H.P. Guy as well and they were all people agreeing with me. Brady Haran I agree with you. [TS]

00:17:01   Two different levels some were saying a little bit sick and some was really like it [TS]

00:17:05   but definitely the overall time that I have a saved is people agreeing with me that bit of interaction is nice [TS]

00:17:11   but I will just sending it to me and I was going crazy [TS]

00:17:14   and I was about to start sending all these things back saying Don't tell me like I already know tell Granny he's the [TS]

00:17:20   one that needs to know this and then I went back and listened to the podcast [TS]

00:17:24   and it was a little thing you said something along the lines of Yes I do think that eased Brady. That's crazy. [TS]

00:17:31   This implies writing revenge for the airplane thing right. [TS]

00:17:36   That's right that's what I was trying to do there I'm glad you got a bunch of feedback I actually did see it I was [TS]

00:17:40   curious I looked at your replies at one point [TS]

00:17:42   and also just on the read it I have to say that there was much more positive feedback from retail workers about being [TS]

00:17:51   happy to chit chat with customers or wanting to chit chat with customers than I would have expected [TS]

00:17:57   but afterwards I was thinking about it and then I realized. [TS]

00:18:00   Oh wait that actually makes more sense I might have first thought because there's going to be a selection bias here [TS]

00:18:06   with the kinds of people who are applying to retail jobs in the first place [TS]

00:18:11   but I would never apply to a retail job unless you know I absolutely had to. [TS]

00:18:17   All of the various jobs I've ever done have not been very customer centric. [TS]

00:18:22   I could see that for someone who thinks I would enjoy a retail position is much more likely to be an extroverted person [TS]

00:18:27   you probably don't have throngs of introverts trying to get into retail positions. [TS]

00:18:31   There's also probably a second level of bias going on here and that is the source of people who are going to tweet [TS]

00:18:36   or Vento e-mail [TS]

00:18:37   and say hey I want to tell you what I think are also the sorts of people who quite like to say this is why I think [TS]

00:18:43   there's also a problem with just companies like in particular here in the U.K. [TS]

00:18:47   Starbucks pushing for policies where their employees are supposed to talk to the customers because I think the very [TS]

00:18:54   customers who fill out feedback forms and surveys about how their little interactions went at Starbucks [TS]

00:19:00   or what they were Starbucks did. [TS]

00:19:01   I think it's the same kind of selection bias that the people who love social interaction are much more likely to fill [TS]

00:19:07   out those forms and say oh I wish I was the retail employees talk to me more [TS]

00:19:11   and the people like me never fill out those forms and just keep moving on. [TS]

00:19:15   So I think even from from a company perspective they're probably going to hear more from the outgoing people as well. [TS]

00:19:21   And then bend policies more towards them [TS]

00:19:24   and then in Starbucks make them ask for your name which is a terrible policy in London and it's hugely frustrating [TS]

00:19:29   and I hate it. [TS]

00:19:30   All of that said I have come out the other side of this thinking I'm a bit more in the right than you think more people [TS]

00:19:38   do people good long contact my mother when I told my wife about the conversation she doesn't into the podcast [TS]

00:19:44   when I told her about your position and my position. She was like outraged. [TS]

00:19:50   She thinks you're very wrong that I don't want to talk to people at Starbucks. [TS]

00:19:54   She thinks that's not the right attitude to have. [TS]

00:19:56   You know she thinks she thinks people should interact with each other. Always all the time. [TS]

00:20:03   Generally they're generally let me tell you like a kind of funny funny little thing here about about interaction I just [TS]

00:20:09   noticed so I think I have mentioned before on the podcast that my parents retired from New York down to North Carolina [TS]

00:20:17   several years ago when I go visit them. [TS]

00:20:19   There's a kind of a walking path behind where there are houses [TS]

00:20:23   and there are a whole bunch of people who use the walking path and the surrounding houses [TS]

00:20:28   and as someone who lived in New York when I visited them [TS]

00:20:32   and would go on the path I was always kind of just exhausted by the number of people who would say good morning [TS]

00:20:40   and say hello and were just like walking by the stream of people and [TS]

00:20:46   and so many of them would greet you like look right at you and say hello. [TS]

00:20:50   And yet To me this is just totally startling and also someone who lives in London. [TS]

00:20:55   You can walk right by someone in a place like Hyde Park. [TS]

00:20:59   Nobody acknowledges anybody else because you just you just can't possibly. [TS]

00:21:03   But in North Carolina I was surprised because I thought the people density here is too high to keep up his level of [TS]

00:21:09   interaction. Yet they still do it. It was absolutely absolutely exhausting. [TS]

00:21:13   So it's not like one person every twenty minutes or something it's like a special stream of people both ways. [TS]

00:21:18   I will on this walking path I would say it was probably a busy times like a person a minute [TS]

00:21:25   and they would still all say hi. And it was just it was just exhausting. [TS]

00:21:29   But my only point here that I did notice was that it was different depending on two factors. [TS]

00:21:37   And my walking with my wife and is the other person walking with a partner of theirs. [TS]

00:21:44   If you have two couples walking down the path it was like one hundred percent guarantee that the other couple is going [TS]

00:21:50   to say oh good morning to you. [TS]

00:21:52   You know and then you say good morning as well and take off your hat and keep walking or whatever [TS]

00:21:56   but if it was to single people and to. In particular single guys walking past each other. [TS]

00:22:02   That was the highest probability of not having to do anything except the nod you know about the not right BRADY Yeah [TS]

00:22:09   guy has a note right there and that was just a pleasure [TS]

00:22:13   and it suggested to me that there are very many people who don't really want to do this [TS]

00:22:17   but I was like oh great we're two guys were just walking past each other on the path. [TS]

00:22:21   We'll just do the not and that's all that's necessary. [TS]

00:22:24   We had knowledge of the existence of the other person [TS]

00:22:26   but we don't have to we don't have to keep saying like oh hello hello hello to you too sir what a fun day [TS]

00:22:32   and you know do it again and again and again on this walking path. Also having a dog was deaf. [TS]

00:22:38   If I was walking the dog everybody says hi to Grace you should try walking or tree. [TS]

00:22:44   But two guys meeting like alone on a path in the woods does carry a certain amount of baggage that you may want to [TS]

00:22:50   avoid. So I can see why you just move on as quickly as possible. That's exactly it. [TS]

00:22:54   We don't want this to end in a murder [TS]

00:22:56   or a knife fight like a bunch of silverback gorilla is all walking past each other on the path [TS]

00:23:02   or we acknowledged each other but we're staying out of it out of our personal space out of out of the territory [TS]

00:23:07   and that's the way it should be. Someone has pointed out this word. Let me I'm going to try to pronounce it. [TS]

00:23:18   No I'm not. Lagged Nihad lagniappe bare legs back. [TS]

00:23:26   Yeah you have to say with a high tone like that high pitch you know how to read those Wikipedia had to say you know I [TS]

00:23:32   do not I can see I'm looking at it literally right now and I see the stupid I.P.A. [TS]

00:23:37   and You know how useful it is zero percent useful that's how useful it is [TS]

00:23:41   or looks next to it it's got unlearned yet written is alone yet. Lon Yup OK And we're just embarrassing ourselves. [TS]

00:23:49   You're embarrassing yourself because this is your note you didn't look it up and I had it at a time [TS]

00:23:53   when I did put it in the only looked at it like five seconds before we started recording. [TS]

00:23:58   OK To be fair that is more preparation than either. Right here I've got the house. How do you say a guy doing it. [TS]

00:24:07   And Lenya is the way he's saying it just led Yep it looks posh looks like it should be more exotic. [TS]

00:24:15   He has two ways to say it [TS]

00:24:16   but I am I'm having a hard time hearing what he's doing with the first one up with the audio [TS]

00:24:19   and because this is the guy that everybody knows as the dude who pronounces words guy learn year [TS]

00:24:26   or learns here this is the word for. [TS]

00:24:32   According to Wikipedia a small gift given to a customer by a merchant at the time of purchase. [TS]

00:24:39   So the example used in the page here is like getting an extra day not when you buy a dozen. [TS]

00:24:44   The example I used last week was the guy I bought from giving me like a sponge to wash my car. [TS]

00:24:51   I like there's a word for it [TS]

00:24:52   and I do think it's an interesting phenomenon this whole giving someone something to make them feel special. [TS]

00:24:59   Let go I like as you know you know very I like words you know you have your words. [TS]

00:25:03   Maybe I can appropriate that word sort of free but style and give it some new meaning at some point in the future. [TS]

00:25:09   Oh you know how I could use that when I make when I make a video like you know I like [TS]

00:25:14   and I'm a file video that's ten minutes long but there's some extra footage I cut [TS]

00:25:17   and I put a number file to I could call that my land yet video. [TS]

00:25:21   If you'd like some land yap to go with this video go over to Number Four out now [TS]

00:25:25   but now it doesn't make any sense that the viewers haven't purchased anything terrible re appropriation of this word. [TS]

00:25:32   Now funnelled down this cannot happen. [TS]

00:25:35   I feel like they've given me their time and their attention [TS]

00:25:37   and for that I'm going to give them the extra footage is small the U.S. [TS]

00:25:40   Would listen even to a customer by a merchant at the time of purchase that's not your bonus video is nothing like that. [TS]

00:25:47   Greg I mean standing your misunderstanding I understand that you're trying to take a word that has a chance likely [TS]

00:25:53   solid definition and broaden it does have a history making. Second Secondly it's like a. [TS]

00:26:00   New use for brevity and video are not ready for that yet videos they're the best. [TS]

00:26:04   I don't like Graceland yet video so much to be sure [TS]

00:26:07   but Brady does could lend you a video so I don't have any land yap videos I will never have a lanyard video that's not [TS]

00:26:12   going to happen. [TS]

00:26:13   I'll have footnotes I'll have extra videos all have bonus videos [TS]

00:26:16   but not Lenya videos because that doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:26:18   and it's a terrible re appropriation No you're breathing in you know whatever you got. I do not approve of this. [TS]

00:26:29   This will not happen I mean I can't stop you but no one will go along with our plan. [TS]

00:26:34   The higher you go in against me the more likely to succeed so I'm just letting you help me I am not helping you learn [TS]

00:26:41   yet videos keep an eye on paypal. I'll put it in the video description. [TS]

00:26:44   Did you know you well thank you thank you for watching the sled video now it may be a way out of it. [TS]

00:26:52   Let's say I hate I hate it when when words have solid precise specific definitions [TS]

00:27:00   and they kind of turn to mush over time I mean it happens with every single word in existence [TS]

00:27:05   but still I find it frustrating when this occurs. That's all you doing is accelerating this process now. [TS]

00:27:13   One font to follow up here and this this again was something that happened in the city. [TS]

00:27:18   What's nowhere to the cinema E.G. [TS]

00:27:20   In the last episode I revealed how I use the wolf face as the representation of both my dogs actually because they've [TS]

00:27:28   both got this kind of yellowy beige color to themselves like I'm texting my wife about the dogs [TS]

00:27:33   and I think Kate sometimes use that and we discussed it. [TS]

00:27:37   Anyway huge announcing today and you were tweeting me something about one of my dogs and you used the wolf asymmetry [TS]

00:27:45   and I was on the tweet deck [TS]

00:27:48   and I thought you just used the wrong Ameritrade because instead of this side profile of a yellow dog is forward facing [TS]

00:27:55   gray dog looking at me so I cheekily like messaged you back in tweet. [TS]

00:28:00   To say you know he's the wrong one and you should use the correct one. [TS]

00:28:02   Oh that's what you were doing [TS]

00:28:04   when you sent me the emoji back I thought you were just being an idiot I thought you were that white why did he send me [TS]

00:28:09   this back he just wants to copy paste it either. O'Grady he doesn't know what he's doing on the computer. [TS]

00:28:13   No what I did was I went into it because I don't know how to do M O G S in Tweet Deck so I went into my messaging app [TS]

00:28:22   in my office and there it was the yellow dog right and I'll copy and paste it pasted into tweet [TS]

00:28:27   and it still appeared as the dog and as soon as I pressed return it turned into that gray faced dog [TS]

00:28:33   and I was like What the hell is going on is what I think is very clearly a wolf. [TS]

00:28:37   OK it doesn't look so much like a wolf when it's that yellow and it looks more like my dogs so I went into my phone [TS]

00:28:42   and looked at the Twitter conversation in Iowa and sure enough both of us had used the yellow dog [TS]

00:28:48   and I'm like what's going on and like I tweeted to you in the sort of state of confusion [TS]

00:28:53   and you you then pointed out to me that you buy the cheap a deer or whatever. [TS]

00:28:59   Something I didn't even know existed that in Ohio S N O S. [TS]

00:29:03   It appears as the yellow dog that looks like an old tree and in other systems it's this forward facing gray wolf. [TS]

00:29:13   This is [TS]

00:29:13   and this was a this is a game changer for me because now depending on who I'm interacting with maybe I can use the [TS]

00:29:20   yellow dog to represent Ortrud literally a street [TS]

00:29:22   but this is the weird thing with Moji And you know I have mixed feelings about the M O G. [TS]

00:29:29   But but one of the biggest problems is yes but all of the various platforms [TS]

00:29:33   and sometimes even particular programs like Tweet Deck will render the M O G differently because there's just this [TS]

00:29:40   description of what it's supposed to be and I think you know for that one it just says Wolf face [TS]

00:29:45   and so Apple decides to draw the wall face in the most on wolf like Will looking way ever. [TS]

00:29:50   But then [TS]

00:29:51   and well being your own like lulu dot it doesn't look like a wolf in the slightest it looks like a fox of anything yet. [TS]

00:29:58   The really weird ones are are with. [TS]

00:30:00   People when you see what the descriptions are supposed to be of the people and how various operating systems [TS]

00:30:04   or programs choose to interpret that description so so what would I say. A blond haired girl or something. [TS]

00:30:10   One of the weird ones I mean just from the Apple ones are really creepy. [TS]

00:30:15   But there's like a girl wearing bunny ears which is I don't even know how. [TS]

00:30:22   Like how does this official list of the mochi get created. [TS]

00:30:25   Who decides that girl wearing bunny ears is going to be an official emoji [TS]

00:30:30   and then Apple has to decide what they want to tweet gray your answers on that one by the way because everyone's going [TS]

00:30:35   on so that I'm going to I'm going to cut that out because I can I can google myself two seconds to five I don't know [TS]

00:30:42   that right you didn't do it when you told people to tweet May you can cut that or leave it in [TS]

00:30:47   but don't tweet me people I'll just block them. [TS]

00:30:49   Because because I can just Google it myself I know that the answer is there. [TS]

00:30:53   I'm just saying this because I don't know right now. [TS]

00:30:55   But it's seems weird that there's a committee somewhere which is like yeah girl with bunny ears were on top of that. [TS]

00:31:00   that's got to be a thing to do. We made we made that this huge demand forget it by the S. [TS]

00:31:04   Yeah and there's tons of things they don't. But with that with that one on I.I.S. [TS]

00:31:09   It renders as two girls dancing [TS]

00:31:11   and then another one's It's just a face with little bunny ears it's just you don't know what you're what you're sending [TS]

00:31:17   to the other person unless you know for one hundred percent sure that they are using the same program on the same [TS]

00:31:22   operating system as you. [TS]

00:31:24   That's a real problem Terry because sometimes you like try to make little stories out of your marriage you've got you [TS]

00:31:29   know you've got a gun pointing at something [TS]

00:31:31   and if the guns went to the other way around suddenly you've gone from shooting one thing to another thing [TS]

00:31:35   and yet there's a lot of potential problems. [TS]

00:31:38   M O G they're really designed for interpersonal communication like you are talking to someone you know [TS]

00:31:43   and you are trying to convey something jokey or emotional that is a difficult to do in very short sentences [TS]

00:31:50   but as soon as you start talking about putting a Moji in a in a broader form it becomes very hard like sometimes I [TS]

00:31:58   think people want to put him O.G.'s on their web. [TS]

00:32:00   Do you know you don't know how that's going to render on somebody else's computer [TS]

00:32:03   and I don't know I have mixed feelings about the M O G S but which is just weird [TS]

00:32:09   and this is yet another weird thing about M O G S and the Apple ones are all so weird so weird [TS]

00:32:14   and creepy if you look at the people I like that I've got a little Audrey and they cheat by accident so I like them. [TS]

00:32:21   Oh so the other thing someone pointed out the wolf face [TS]

00:32:24   and maybe she had a sudden spike in not enough was the page where they describe a marriage itself had a sudden spike in [TS]

00:32:35   interest. [TS]

00:32:36   It nearly hit the top ten on a major Pedia after hello internet mentioned so we whatever however it renders we were [TS]

00:32:44   responsible for a sudden surge in interest is like a great graph that shows as well. [TS]

00:32:49   We were responsible for a surge in interest in the the Waltham H.D. Which I feel I feel good about it now. [TS]

00:32:56   Our show notice they carry a lot of power. [TS]

00:32:58   People click on the show notes check things out can push the whole thing symposia to not quite the top ten. [TS]

00:33:06   I you know we must be careful how we have this great power when we left things in the future. [TS]

00:33:11   Yeah be careful take it easy take it easy with those things. Anyway thank you for pointing that out. [TS]

00:33:19   It made me feel good you know that follow up are good don't follow this hello internet episode has been brought to you [TS]

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00:33:55   They also handle all the D.N.A.'s stuff I don't know exactly what that means but I know it causes lots of problems. [TS]

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00:34:43   They're great fun to work with especially because they let us use all these cool codes so they go to my name's Hava dot [TS]

00:34:49   com jerk. [TS]

00:34:53   If I may briefly bring up something very serious and said [TS]

00:34:57   and that is a person who I know column has names column Bloomfield. He worked for the B.B.C. [TS]

00:35:05   In the East Midlands where I used to work and he was diagnosed with skin cancer a while ago [TS]

00:35:10   and after a really amazing battle with skin cancer that he handled a total class and dignity [TS]

00:35:15   but also really tried to make a difference about cancer awareness. [TS]

00:35:19   Unfortunately colon recently died was very sad news [TS]

00:35:23   but I just wanted to give him a quick mention here on the podcast as a top man who handled some terrible misfortune in [TS]

00:35:31   a really really classy way and if you ever want to check him out you can Google this guy call him Bloomfield [TS]

00:35:36   and say some of what he did and Grahame even put in the show notes a link to a sort of a foundation or a trust [TS]

00:35:43   or something that was started in columns Name of course raise money to do with skin cancer awareness in the part of [TS]

00:35:50   England where he was from. [TS]

00:35:51   So rest and paste to a column going forward and if everyone has different things they like to support [TS]

00:35:57   but if you if skin cancer is something that is on. [TS]

00:36:00   Our mind and that's something you've got to contribute to go check it out. [TS]

00:36:05   Lincoln the Johnsons now I have I have another little thank you sort of sort of plug for lack of a better word that I [TS]

00:36:13   should mention and that is today I am recording in an incredibly hot sound. Yeah go on over there. [TS]

00:36:20   When the door was closed I thought I know how that's going to go. Sound isolation is also heat. [TS]

00:36:27   Isolation is really starting to get very hot here [TS]

00:36:30   but I am grateful for the opportunity because obviously New York is a very loud place [TS]

00:36:35   and I am I am recording in the Ted Ed offices in Manhattan. [TS]

00:36:41   Ted being you know the famous Ted [TS]

00:36:43   and Ted adding their little educational spin off that makes these really cool educational videos. [TS]

00:36:49   So thank you to Logan from Ted for making this possible and giving me a bit of space. [TS]

00:36:55   Given how the Internet [TS]

00:36:56   but a space this is the same Logan who we mentioned on the previous episode who started that very interesting. [TS]

00:37:01   Call me Ishmael project on You Tube where people leave a voice mails about books that they like. [TS]

00:37:08   And I'll tell you why people really need to check that out. [TS]

00:37:10   Gray I think it is such a clever idea [TS]

00:37:14   and it's not getting the traction that it should on You Tube the viewer numbers not high enough what a cool idea it is [TS]

00:37:20   and yet away from you talking to Logan there's all sorts of other cool projects [TS]

00:37:24   and spin off things going on in bookstores and libraries and all these people are so excited about the project [TS]

00:37:30   and he's got so many balls in the air and now as a result of it he's having all this success [TS]

00:37:35   and you know on You Tube where you can just go and listen to these things for free and watch these nifty little videos. [TS]

00:37:40   It's not getting the traction it should. So I don't check it out. I tell you what. [TS]

00:37:46   I'm here saying how great it is you know you don't check it out etc etc And you know I am yet to leave a voice mail [TS]

00:37:53   about a book on it so I'm not practicing what I preach and you know what as you know I stopped me. What. [TS]

00:38:00   Choose a book because it's not about just recommending a book that you think is good. [TS]

00:38:04   I've kind of got this impression that all the people that call me Ishmael [TS]

00:38:08   and leave a message always have these really touching stories about how booklet changed their life [TS]

00:38:13   or made a real impression on them and I read lots of books and I like lots of them [TS]

00:38:18   but I can't think of one book that has like that changed me somehow. [TS]

00:38:22   Really have you go on if you were going to do a Call me Ishmael what book would you plucked from the shelf. [TS]

00:38:27   What's the book that you would like do a two minute message about and say this This book is important [TS]

00:38:32   and it meant something to me. [TS]

00:38:33   Well call me a smale is is high stakes high high intensity there because you're calling a voicemail service you don't [TS]

00:38:41   have the chance to go back and edit what you're saying you've got to do it all right. All one that's left you hyper. [TS]

00:38:48   You're for me but it couldn't you couldn't you record like play it down all the kids take it yes. [TS]

00:38:54   Yes In total you know what the never even occurred to me. [TS]

00:38:57   You could totally take it or you could just talk to Logan because he might [TS]

00:39:00   and say Look can I send you a file as I think he probably would let you do that because the idea is that it is a phone [TS]

00:39:06   call [TS]

00:39:06   and I think he has far too much integrity to allow me to cheat the system in that way is a pretty is a pretty straight [TS]

00:39:13   shooter. [TS]

00:39:13   I'm just honestly surprised that you can't think of a single book that has had a major influence on your life because [TS]

00:39:20   you do you do read a significant amount. [TS]

00:39:23   Well I mean maybe that overstates the case but I do read books but it's like I read lots of books [TS]

00:39:29   and think that was also a man a brilliant Oh I wish I wrote or like it makes me think about some cool space thing [TS]

00:39:36   or science e thing on Mount Everest or something like there are lots of books that I read and go that's awesome [TS]

00:39:40   and I want everyone else to read it [TS]

00:39:42   but I can't think of a book that's got this amazing story that made me think you know now I'm going to go [TS]

00:39:46   and build an orphanage in South America now [TS]

00:39:50   and you know I can't think of anything that really has changed me as a person. [TS]

00:39:56   Immediately I can think of lots of things that have inspired me and made me. [TS]

00:40:00   I think about things and you know and all those things chip away at you and change you [TS]

00:40:04   but I can't think of one book that was like well I'm going to change the course of my life. Have you got one. [TS]

00:40:11   I have to I have two books that I can say. [TS]

00:40:14   Majorly change the course of my life one which is less interesting [TS]

00:40:19   and one which is probably a little bit more interesting. [TS]

00:40:21   So I go the less interesting one first of the messenger the one is vastly more important in some ways [TS]

00:40:27   and that is getting things done by David Allen which I've mentioned before on the part of the book I really like. [TS]

00:40:32   But there really was no joke in the book that allowed me to transition from I mean idiots who can't do anything. [TS]

00:40:41   Into Oh I'm an adult who can you know can be organized [TS]

00:40:45   and change the course of my life I think that that book definitely had the biggest single impact of any book that I [TS]

00:40:51   ever read. Say I say it like it could just if that be if the podcast and check it out call me Ishmael. [TS]

00:40:58   We have licensing licensing agreements I think if he's trying to have to give us to give have to give us a big cash yes [TS]

00:41:05   take that one is no one is far less interesting [TS]

00:41:08   but it is it is really true I feel like there is a time in my life before I read Getting Things Done [TS]

00:41:13   and there was a time in my life after I have getting ready getting things done [TS]

00:41:17   and the people on either side of that divide are hugely hugely different people [TS]

00:41:22   and I just feel like I should maybe read that book at some point [TS]

00:41:25   but I hope maybe from what you know of my No I don't think anything would help your break I'm going to be honest here. [TS]

00:41:31   So I just you just are the way you are and I don't think anything can help you [TS]

00:41:36   but I also don't know if anything if you need anything to help you. You seem pretty happy. [TS]

00:41:43   What's your other book that started me down the course of deciding that I wanted to do physics as a major [TS]

00:41:48   and going to college that I went to to do physics which was Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time which I know you [TS]

00:41:57   understood that book. OK well. Here I read the illustrated edition back in high school which is beautiful by the way. [TS]

00:42:05   I still in my parents' house I still actually have it. [TS]

00:42:08   It's a big big book that has these amazing diagrams on all the pages the diagrams they really help. [TS]

00:42:14   If you're going to read A Brief History of Time I highly suggest you get the illustrated version I was kind of not [TS]

00:42:20   really aware of physics before then. [TS]

00:42:23   It happens to be the way that my school did physics each year of science was all by itself. [TS]

00:42:28   So in freshman year we just did think it was all geology and then sophomore year we just did all biology [TS]

00:42:37   and junior year it was all chemistry so you didn't have like how I taught here where it's mixed up every year so I was [TS]

00:42:43   kind of floating along not really aware of physics and then I read the book [TS]

00:42:47   and I really liked it so that one that one definitely is a book that I can point to as having a big a big impact on my [TS]

00:42:54   life. [TS]

00:42:56   All right well if you enjoy hearing that little vignette from Gray and you want to hear hundreds [TS]

00:43:01   and hundreds of more people talk about books I liked check out called me a smile and that will make like an happy [TS]

00:43:07   and manes he will let me use his booth again on a future trip to New York to record hello internet. [TS]

00:43:12   And that's end game for me for you. Yeah and it's a good sign and lichens a good man. Let's move on. [TS]

00:43:18   He has had he has had more than enough commotion I think. [TS]

00:43:23   So nothing he got there [TS]

00:43:26   and I've bought him tickets for the bicycle to not baseball left alone shuttlecocks right now baseball [TS]

00:43:32   but I suppose the one where they throw the ball [TS]

00:43:34   or throw the ball they don't roll it I'm going to the Yankees versus the Mets. [TS]

00:43:38   Does anybody die in those games to the shoot the players in front of you if they don't do well is that how that works. [TS]

00:43:44   No not that I've ever say I hope they don't. [TS]

00:43:50   You must you know it might by sport by sport so boring so boring you know just boring but you understand that [TS]

00:43:57   but you do kind of understand the rules of that one. Yes just because it's like it's in your D.N.A. Isn't it. [TS]

00:44:02   Because I had to play it in Jim and I would always remember far left field is the position that you want [TS]

00:44:07   when you play in gym and you don't want to purchase a far left or right. [TS]

00:44:11   I would always go for is far left field and there just is no such thing as far left field daydreaming. [TS]

00:44:17   Look at it and then every once in a while the ball would come near me [TS]

00:44:20   and that I would pay money to see you playing baseball like that would just make me laugh. [TS]

00:44:28   I'm just imagining you like swinging a bat and then running to first base [TS]

00:44:32   and actually is making me smile like the problem was always the being in the outfield [TS]

00:44:39   and trying to do like the catches and fast passes I could you know that was just hopeless. [TS]

00:44:42   Actually just hitting the ball I was pretty good at [TS]

00:44:44   and that's super satisfying if you play baseball even for someone who has no interest in sports I would never do it on [TS]

00:44:50   their own. [TS]

00:44:51   When you really [TS]

00:44:51   when you hit the baseball that that crack of the bat is a very satisfying enjoyable experience so I have played [TS]

00:44:58   baseball feel a little bit proud of you. [TS]

00:45:02   The thing I can imagine though is you running like you running just doesn't come into my head very easily. [TS]

00:45:07   I was very briefly on the track team because I had to be. [TS]

00:45:10   Really you know this is a parental requirement that I try some sports and I don't know why [TS]

00:45:16   but somehow I thought track would be the easiest because it wasn't a team sports so I was thinking everybody could just [TS]

00:45:23   leave me alone I go I just have to run around in the circle [TS]

00:45:26   but I don't have to interact with the other people fine I can do this but I really hate a track [TS]

00:45:29   and I give it up as soon as I possibly could but I was very briefly on the track team. [TS]

00:45:34   I can't imagine you're running action. I just can't imagine what that would be like. [TS]

00:45:37   It's amazing Brady I don't like to run but when I do run it is majestic. You're good. [TS]

00:45:42   Yeah it's like watching Tom Cruise run it's just amazing it's cinematic is what it is I just you have to do with Pitt's [TS]

00:45:50   crack at the high speed camera some time it makes a video as if you are reading now is not going to happen every time. [TS]

00:45:57   OK we have to move on because you have. Written in the show notes bra shopping. Are you shopping for bras Brady. [TS]

00:46:04   I this is a topic that I am already regretting. Too late now. Yeah let's do this. Came about the other day. [TS]

00:46:15   Basically you know my wife would enjoy shopping for clothes. She's a very she's a very fashionable woman she is. [TS]

00:46:21   I quite enjoy going with her and she will be looking at dresses and all the different things that she looks at me. [TS]

00:46:27   She asks my opinion and I try to give them and I know actually what I really enjoy sort of going off on my own [TS]

00:46:34   and finding something that I think she would like and like bringing it to her [TS]

00:46:36   and going what do you think of this I think this is your style [TS]

00:46:39   and she'll be like oh it is you know I feel really proud when I manage that. [TS]

00:46:43   And she looked and she likes what I found so I am not averse to clothes shopping but there is a problem [TS]

00:46:50   and I know this is like discipline. This must surely only apply to men who have female partners. [TS]

00:47:00   I can't think what other configuration this would cause the same level of awkwardness to live anyway. [TS]

00:47:06   Being a man who has a female partner [TS]

00:47:09   when she ventures into the bra section of the shop I find this a very very difficult [TS]

00:47:16   and very awkward to know what to do because at that point I can browse on my own really. [TS]

00:47:23   Because that I think that looks a bit unusual. If you could. [TS]

00:47:27   Yeah yeah I could of course and I know there are men who you know of to buy luxury for that for their partner [TS]

00:47:32   but you know yeah you don't need to stick to traditional gender stereotypes here Brady you can you can be a new modern [TS]

00:47:38   man and let But also when I'm really bad habit of like i'm quite tactile [TS]

00:47:44   when I'm shopping so I like to strike all the fabric and stuff and I think if I'm just like you stroke the microphone. [TS]

00:47:50   Yeah exactly like I'm a bit of a fidget and so if I'm looking at dresses [TS]

00:47:53   and I feel quite comfortable sort of striking all the dresses in the fabric to see what what they're like if I'm in the [TS]

00:47:59   if I'm in the. Section I feel like I would look a bit wrong if I'm like streaking streaking underwear. No no no. [TS]

00:48:08   Brady You have to you have to touch it to know the quality of the material so I don't see why you should definitely go [TS]

00:48:14   ahead with this behavior but I don't feel comfortable being like I know this is my insecurities and the other [TS]

00:48:19   and the other thing is I find if I'm in the you know dress section I'm quite comfortable making eye contact with other [TS]

00:48:27   women and smiling at them and you know how you going and [TS]

00:48:30   but if I'm in the brass section Suddenly I feel like if I'm looking like another woman shopping [TS]

00:48:35   and she's like she's looking at us and then she looks up and sees me looking at. [TS]

00:48:40   I feel a bit creepy but oh what should you brush up. [TS]

00:48:43   I feel I feel like a bit of a weird i don't know I'm not and I can I know this is just one securities. [TS]

00:48:49   Anyway while this was happening the thing that occurred to me was what to see G.P. Grade what would you do. [TS]

00:48:57   Do you like because like I find myself in this situation and it seems like an awkward situation [TS]

00:49:03   and as I said I thought to myself that Gray doesn't even do this a bit he just walks away [TS]

00:49:07   but then I realized I didn't so I thought I'm going to ask OK Do you brush up on your own with your wife do you have a [TS]

00:49:16   section policy. OK So here's the thing with us Brady. [TS]

00:49:23   I think we are sometimes so different we can't even conceive of the level of difference in the other person because I [TS]

00:49:31   dimly knew what you wanted to talk about with us. [TS]

00:49:34   OK I have a guess of where he's going [TS]

00:49:37   but right out of the gate your story was just totally different from what I was expecting. What were you expecting. [TS]

00:49:42   Well I was expecting the much more standard version of the story which is that you get dragged shopping with your [TS]

00:49:49   partner and that you you have to tag along and then you find yourself in the bra section and oh isn't it embarrassing. [TS]

00:49:56   I didn't realize that you were gleeful to go along. On the shopping expedition. [TS]

00:50:01   Not only gleeful but but actively participating in your honour's shopping expedition hunting I was bringing them back. [TS]

00:50:09   This is amazing to me I can even understand. [TS]

00:50:11   Well I wouldn't say gleeful like clearly the thing I wanted to look at the gadgets and technology and things [TS]

00:50:18   or look like things that are interesting to me and my wife [TS]

00:50:22   and I share a lot of things we find interesting that can share in a chair maybe or we both like and takes [TS]

00:50:27   and we buy things [TS]

00:50:28   and because she wants to look at clothes happy to do that like I said like I say there's a little challenge. [TS]

00:50:35   I wouldn't like beg to go clothes shopping but I don't even like clothes shopping for men's clothes [TS]

00:50:40   but that I would do it so I would say I would say I begged or gleeful but I do do it [TS]

00:50:45   but it is exactly as you described then when I find myself in the brass action. [TS]

00:50:49   Look I'm supportive unlike you know I get a supportive [TS]

00:50:52   and I'm willing to do it because you know I want to help my wife and join her for the expedition. [TS]

00:50:58   But that's the area where I suddenly feel out of my depth [TS]

00:51:01   and a bit like I just haven't learned how to do it yet I haven't learned how to do a CO because I'm just maybe not a [TS]

00:51:07   cool guy. So where you just you just don't go clothes shopping at all or like where do you stand on this. [TS]

00:51:14   Many many years ago before I met the woman who would become my wife when I was involved in relations with other women. [TS]

00:51:24   I remember getting dragged along for clothes shopping [TS]

00:51:27   and because there was I was a younger person a person who wasn't thinking about how their life is going [TS]

00:51:35   and the way things work in the world. [TS]

00:51:37   I just went along with this because it's what you see everybody else do you go into any any clothing shop primarily for [TS]

00:51:45   women and you will see a bunch of men kind of loitering around. [TS]

00:51:49   Yeah usually burdened like alpacas right with with bags slung over their backs that they are that they are carrying. [TS]

00:51:58   And so I did this too. As a much younger person. [TS]

00:52:02   But one day there was a particular shopping trip which lasted a very long time. [TS]

00:52:09   It was I don't remember [TS]

00:52:11   but I feel like it was a full work days worth of shopping for clothing with a particular person [TS]

00:52:18   and this was supposed to be the weekend and I know I was going to have a whole day to myself. [TS]

00:52:22   I know you have a whole day under fluorescent lighting looking at clothing that's not even for you [TS]

00:52:27   and having having to have your input asked on a thousand tiny decisions. [TS]

00:52:33   That's really the exhausting part of of this is it's not even it's not even the being there it's the thousand little [TS]

00:52:39   decisions it just melts your brain into a pool of nothingness. [TS]

00:52:44   After this this particularly long shopping event I was pushed over my limit [TS]

00:52:49   and I decided hey wait a minute I don't have to do this. [TS]

00:52:56   There's no there's no I don't need to do that I don't need to give up my weekends to go clothing shopping for another [TS]

00:53:00   person. If someone asked me to go clothing shopping with them the answer is just no no I'm not going clothing shopping. [TS]

00:53:07   I have no interest in this and I will be of no help and it will be just a total misery and [TS]

00:53:13   and no I'm not going to do this. [TS]

00:53:14   So from that day onward I have not gone clothing shopping with any of the partners in my life now very luckily my wife [TS]

00:53:24   never even knew about this policy because she never even asked me to ever to go clothing shopping with her it would [TS]

00:53:31   never occur to her to bring me along clothing shopping so this is this works out very well. [TS]

00:53:37   She doesn't want me to go and I don't want to go. And we're both very happy. [TS]

00:53:40   Hang on she didn't ask you [TS]

00:53:43   but do you know she doesn't want me to think maybe she might get pleasure from you being there and helping [TS]

00:53:47   and now you know she does not want me there [TS]

00:53:50   but she doesn't want you there probably because you're a grumpy Guess who doesn't like it. [TS]

00:53:53   But would she want you there if you will like being helpful and supportive and interested. [TS]

00:53:58   She doesn't want it she doesn't want me there because. If she doesn't want to be there either. [TS]

00:54:01   She will if she wants to go shopping and get stuff done as fast as possible and [TS]

00:54:06   when you do with two people I think now it's like an outing. [TS]

00:54:10   It's just much slower and it never crossed my mind but my wife has very often complained that [TS]

00:54:15   when she goes shopping she has to deal with all of these partners of the other women in the stores blocking the aisles [TS]

00:54:23   getting in the way because they don't know where to stand [TS]

00:54:26   and because they're in the bra section they can't make eye contact. [TS]

00:54:29   You can't make like the can you move to the side gesture because they're just looking at their feet on the you know on [TS]

00:54:35   the floor trying to get out of the way so my wife is frustrated by the other men in the women's clothing department who [TS]

00:54:41   obviously don't want to be there who are just sad sacks who are beasts of burden and holding up a bunch of bags [TS]

00:54:47   and you know what let me take this moment. Let me use that like the power of the podcast here. [TS]

00:54:54   If you're a guy listening to me right now and your arms are getting sore [TS]

00:54:59   and tired from the bags of clothing that you are holding right now [TS]

00:55:03   and you're listening to a podcast to try to escape the horrible drudgery of following your partner around on a shopping [TS]

00:55:11   expedition on the weekend perhaps perhaps that Sunday you could be doing all kinds of great stuff watching sports ball [TS]

00:55:18   on the T.V. Instead or something I don't know whatever. Whatever you do. World of Warcraft thing. [TS]

00:55:24   You still have to finish this today because you've already agreed to this [TS]

00:55:28   but in the future you don't have to you don't have to go along with this. [TS]

00:55:32   You're a grown person your partner is presumably a grown person. You can each shop for clothing on your own. [TS]

00:55:39   Separately you don't have to do this together. Live a freer happier life. Say no. [TS]

00:55:45   K'Naan aspect to the to the same table. [TS]

00:55:48   Sure if you are a man shopping with with a woman you have a female partner [TS]

00:55:54   and that is something that gives her pleasure. Enjoy it as well enjoy her pleasure. [TS]

00:56:00   Doing things together makes you closer [TS]

00:56:02   and doing things that make her happy with you is a positive experience doing things both enjoy is a positive experience. [TS]

00:56:10   If you don't enjoy it but she wants you to be there for support be it moral or financial also even better also. [TS]

00:56:20   Oh say oh say enjoy that because one day you will both be old and slow and I'm happy [TS]

00:56:29   and you're not going to sit there thinking I wish I'd done more things on my own. [TS]

00:56:33   You're probably going to sit there thinking I wish I did more things with my partner. [TS]

00:56:38   And finally one final one final thing if you like me find yourself in the brass section [TS]

00:56:44   and you have figured out how to make that work. Do let me know because because I can't figure it out. [TS]

00:56:52   And obviously Gray is going to be no help whatsoever. [TS]

00:56:54   I am like the most help that I could possibly be I want to give you time back [TS]

00:56:58   and take you out of this situation for which there is no way to win I don't want to I don't want to spend less time [TS]

00:57:03   with my life I don't think there are very many men who have on their deathbed thought I wish I did more clothing [TS]

00:57:10   shopping. Well that's the way you're presenting that there I don't think that that's accurate. [TS]

00:57:15   Well you're right we act we are quite different and pretty much a kind of half expected this result like when I [TS]

00:57:22   when I sent you that text from the brass section of the shop which was awkward in itself because I was taking out my [TS]

00:57:27   phone which doubles as a camera these days right. [TS]

00:57:30   I did think I pick grain everything finds himself in these brass sections no he would just because he's a stubborn [TS]

00:57:36   and which is refused to be anywhere he doesn't obey several knots [TS]

00:57:40   or you know you know you know it's you know you turn these things at the very end into something something more than [TS]

00:57:47   they are it's you always do that that's your annulling Yes but I don't accept the other example [TS]

00:57:54   and I will just broaden it out into oh he never does anything that he doesn't like for his pa. [TS]

00:58:00   Never you know that's not at all the situation but I do but I just did enjoy anyway to the degree that was taking it [TS]

00:58:08   and I like to leave you twisting in the wind. [TS]

00:58:10   Yeah yeah exactly if you want to get the final word in and let you look like oh look at you the chief hero Brady [TS]

00:58:16   and all that but it means that your hero I'm a creepy weird guy staring at his shoes in the brass section. [TS]

00:58:22   There you are that's not a hero. I can save you from that. [TS]

00:58:25   OK Well thank you for your advice is kind of what I expected but it's still interesting to hear. [TS]

00:58:32   Can you just wait somewhere else. Yeah but it's not like it takes that long. [TS]

00:58:37   Sometimes if my wife and I are out and she happens to see something in a store that she's interested in. [TS]

00:58:43   Yes she'll pop in really quick to take a look. Many stores have what is very obviously set up as the man waiting area. [TS]

00:58:51   They'll have like a little chair at the front which is so clearly for husbands of things to wait in these expeditions [TS]

00:58:57   with my wife last minutes because she knows that my patience will run very short [TS]

00:59:01   but surely there is some place that you can just retreat for a few moments while the bra shopping is being done. [TS]

00:59:07   Like you don't really need to be there. [TS]

00:59:10   If it's going to be lengthy and there's another place within like a line sometimes I will go but I don't know. [TS]

00:59:16   I think I think I think my wife appreciates appreciates sort of important. [TS]

00:59:20   She wants to do things together and Lord knows you know I'm in New York for two weeks [TS]

00:59:25   and Lord knows I spend enough time away anyway. [TS]

00:59:29   I think we have spend more time talking about bras than I thought we ever would in the history of this broadcast today. [TS]

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01:00:37   And Bryson who I have recommended before as an author that I quite like does a really great job of just approaching all [TS]

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01:02:16   Should we move on should we move on to something else that is in the area of retail. [TS]

01:02:19   OK I will move on to something else what's next and you know what it is it's a Brady's papercut. [TS]

01:02:23   Oh Brady's paper it's been a long time since the Brady's papercut [TS]

01:02:27   but he's paid a little song we have got a song there is a very respected song [TS]

01:02:30   but obviously there's yeah there is like a whole thing people can go much to if they want their lives elsewhere. [TS]

01:02:36   Today my paper is automated checkouts [TS]

01:02:42   or an automated self serve checkouts Is that what they call me like at the supermarket or various stores [TS]

01:02:47   but yet supermarkets and other stores that are little convenience stores things like that. [TS]

01:02:52   Yeah I cannot tell you how much I dislike these things now. Come on man and my dislike for them is ever increasing. [TS]

01:03:04   Yeah. OK I'm sorry I should interrupt straight away. [TS]

01:03:08   I just can't tell me what tell me what it is I'm just reading a few little subtle nuances in your reaction here. [TS]

01:03:15   Listen they might be a mighty lately they might be one of the greatest inventions of mankind. [TS]

01:03:23   They're just I think that I got today that the only basis you were if you were inventions have made my life faster [TS]

01:03:34   better easier and more pleasurable on a daily experience than the automated phone to tell me that my thing slower [TS]

01:03:40   and less pleasurable. You just don't know how to communicate with the machines I think is the problem. [TS]

01:03:45   It's OK Just tell me tell me what it is what is it that's what's so bad about the best thing ever. [TS]

01:03:51   I do find them a bit finicky and like sometimes they don't work properly [TS]

01:03:55   when to call for help anyway I feel like that a lot slower because I'm not free. [TS]

01:04:00   If I asked you know putting things in the bags anyway so I slows it slows me down. [TS]

01:04:05   I find like sometimes they don't scan or a cough on the barcode or then something goes wrong [TS]

01:04:10   and the person's going to come over with a magic swipe anything to override the machine [TS]

01:04:15   and give permission for something and then you've got a you're going to do everything yourself with the paying [TS]

01:04:20   and I won't accept the money or the there's a problem with it and also because the becoming so omni present [TS]

01:04:26   and they having less and less real stuff that becoming just massive queues for them anyway. [TS]

01:04:32   So Dog you're still waiting in a huge queue to get through anyway and it's taking away. [TS]

01:04:37   Yes Here I'm going to say it's taking away another level of human interactions where I can just like be talking to a [TS]

01:04:44   human who's experienced it. [TS]

01:04:46   Scanning things and is experienced at using bags and can do it quicker than me anyway [TS]

01:04:51   and it's just a nice little it's a nice moment where you get served by someone [TS]

01:04:54   and so I think even if even if you don't have that fake hello how's your day. [TS]

01:04:59   It's just an interaction with a human that I like I just they do my head in. Dislike them and. [TS]

01:05:06   That you know they've been around for a while now and my feelings towards them. [TS]

01:05:11   Not like I'm not softening I'm hating them more like a lot of technologies [TS]

01:05:15   when they're new on the go how does this work and then after a month [TS]

01:05:18   or two I'm like oh I could never have lived without it automated checkouts I'm not going in that direction. [TS]

01:05:24   Automatic check outs are going in the opposite direction and I know you're Mr robots will take over the world [TS]

01:05:29   and of course are going to think the opposite to me but it is a paper of mine on a daily basis [TS]

01:05:34   and I'm hating them more and more. The robots taking people's jobs thing is a whole separate issue. [TS]

01:05:38   Putting aside the massive unemployment these things might cause which wouldn't be good for my own personal self is [TS]

01:05:43   experience that is the greatest almost you know aside from the Starbucks [TS]

01:05:48   and as we've discussed many times a whole bunch of the little stores on my my Erin's routines places I need to go have [TS]

01:05:56   the automated checkouts and it's great. I can hit like four. [TS]

01:06:00   Our stories without having to talk to anybody [TS]

01:06:02   and if you know how to use them they're faster I mean I do see you know little old ladies get confused with the scanner [TS]

01:06:10   and it deals with them and then the person has to come over [TS]

01:06:12   and of course for that person it takes way longer than it does if you if you can use the machine competently. [TS]

01:06:18   But if you know what you're doing it's just a crazy bam right in the store grab a thing scan a boop boop boop. [TS]

01:06:24   Here's the card it's even it's even more magic [TS]

01:06:26   when they have the contactless cards here if you just tap the card happily on top of the machine. [TS]

01:06:31   It goes right everything's fine the transactions through out you go. You don't even have to pick up the receipt. [TS]

01:06:36   If it's so nice it's so great I love everything about it and if you don't put it in the bag [TS]

01:06:42   and like you know three point two seconds it's like oh you have a bagging area malfunction problem they're always [TS]

01:06:48   telling you off and they're yelling at you and looking instructions [TS]

01:06:51   and this has happened the first couple times they use a checkout machine and now maybe. [TS]

01:06:57   One in a hundred times now this this thing happens because others didn't put the bag in the check out. [TS]

01:07:03   You do miss what is that misplaced item in bagging area or whatever [TS]

01:07:06   but almost always just take the thing out put it back in [TS]

01:07:08   and it's fine two seconds later this this is not some huge problem unless you're just completely incapable of scanning [TS]

01:07:15   and packing something at the same time. [TS]

01:07:18   Well maybe there is may I may not use them of course I use them [TS]

01:07:22   and let you know I think I'm above average intelligence like my fellow man [TS]

01:07:27   or you know at least somewhere near the middle and I have problems with them I don't enjoy them. [TS]

01:07:32   And once you go on the line for the people then there's almost always a people on by I will I will always go in alone [TS]

01:07:38   for the people if I care if one exists and it's not onerous compared to if it's a fifty fifty [TS]

01:07:45   or sixty forty proposition I will go to the person the other day I was using one just two days ago here in New York [TS]

01:07:52   and it didn't work it was a problem with and I think it was the machine's fault [TS]

01:07:57   and I wasn't going to I was only buy two. [TS]

01:08:00   They autumns and I'm like a turn to the Hill there was a woman behind the counter another woman there. [TS]

01:08:05   This isn't working and they're like Oh sorry it's not working and I said Can you just put this through [TS]

01:08:11   and she was on and I go over to the other one the other one over there is working [TS]

01:08:14   and I said I was standing in front of her with the stuff [TS]

01:08:17   and I said no can't you just say I'm standing in front of you know [TS]

01:08:21   and this stuff we're like scared of dealing with me now and then I go over there [TS]

01:08:25   and use the machine I'm like you've got the thing right in front of you or you're serving someone two seconds ago [TS]

01:08:30   and I just shoved in their face and said put it these are the charming human interaction that you miss [TS]

01:08:36   and people are afraid of you in the stores. [TS]

01:08:38   Well yeah because these were like C G P great people who were like oh no we don't want to we just want you to go [TS]

01:08:43   and use machines. Now if I had a great people that's what it is because those are social skills failing there. [TS]

01:08:52   Of course no surprise to anybody I am resentful. [TS]

01:08:55   There's one supermarket in particular which should obviously have self checkout machines that I sometimes have to use [TS]

01:09:00   and it doesn't say how great you just have a bunch of humans here this is the worst [TS]

01:09:05   but my most frequent supermarket I'm irritated because they only have a single line that feeds into both machines [TS]

01:09:13   and humans and that's great now I don't have the choice behind him the total weirdo who [TS]

01:09:19   when I get to the front of the line. [TS]

01:09:21   If one of the humans waves me over I will let the person behind me go ahead and I will wait for machine. [TS]

01:09:28   I would much rather have the machine than an actual person. [TS]

01:09:31   It does sometimes seem a bit awkward if I happen to wave a couple people through in a row like no I'd much rather use [TS]

01:09:37   the machine. [TS]

01:09:38   This way I also don't have a you know some person who's touching other people all day long touching their cards [TS]

01:09:44   touching their things then touching my things as well. No no thank you. This way I handle the bags. [TS]

01:09:49   I check it out on the machine and I never have any problems with the machines or exceedingly rarely. [TS]

01:09:55   Exceedingly rarely It's great to the Great. [TS]

01:10:01   I think you just you just need to figure out how to competently use a machine. [TS]

01:10:07   Yeah and maybe you need to figure out how to competently talk to a human. [TS]

01:10:12   Nope I don't need to do the futures go on my way on this right everything's coming up D.G.P. Gray. [TS]

01:10:18   Yeah yeah everything's coming up the world is getting crazier by the day. [TS]

01:10:23   I mean that the tray of beautiful you know metal so it will live in a world with no color whatsoever I am very happy [TS]

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01:12:00   All at once [TS]

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01:13:52   Go to the show notes click right now change your life. So let's do. Two topics because I think you have my topics. [TS]

01:14:04   Yeah the top topic here says Brady is frustrating. I believe this relates to the Apple Watch. OK. Oh OK yeah yeah yeah. [TS]

01:14:18   OK So let's let's let's to graze Apple Watch corner first we're doing Brady is frustrating corner because their [TS]

01:14:25   internet this is for you by the way I am frustrated on your behalf because Brady you know we do this podcast together [TS]

01:14:33   and sometimes things come up that are interesting [TS]

01:14:35   and I think in those moments it is useful to take notes about the interesting thing that you might want to talk about [TS]

01:14:41   on the podcast. [TS]

01:14:42   Because we're often recording you know ten days or a week and a half after some event has actually occurred [TS]

01:14:49   and you forget and it's really useful to have notes. [TS]

01:14:52   But Brady Brady doesn't take notes [TS]

01:14:55   and I'm trying to get him to take notes for you listener so that you can have a more pleasurable experience. [TS]

01:15:02   But every time some Brady text me about something interesting happening I text back and say Take notes [TS]

01:15:09   and what do you say BRADY You know I'm not going to take notes because you just respect the audience. [TS]

01:15:14   That's why you don't take notes. [TS]

01:15:15   What if you were a better interviewer I wouldn't make notes because you would just you would message information out of [TS]

01:15:21   me you know I'm a terrible interviewer you know that I am the worst. [TS]

01:15:28   And as far as what you do when you interview people to me seems like witchcraft. [TS]

01:15:34   I have no idea what's happening or how you do it [TS]

01:15:37   and this is a skill that I will never have so this is why I beg of you to take notes [TS]

01:15:40   when you're doing something interesting but you don't. That's pretty is frustrating corner. [TS]

01:15:45   So what's great is talking about is shortly after the last podcast twenty Gray had say in the Apple Watch [TS]

01:15:52   and I had not booked an appointment to go and try some on [TS]

01:15:56   and you know do that whole experience they do not because I had. [TS]

01:16:00   The intent of buying one but just because I want to say it and look at it [TS]

01:16:03   and play with it so I went along with my wife [TS]

01:16:06   and we both had you know a little half an hour in the store with the Apple Watch man who enthusiastically showed us [TS]

01:16:13   everything and let us try everything on and we did all of that and it's done. What did you think of the experience. [TS]

01:16:23   Cover You remember here what would you like tonight what would you like tonight I will answer all your questions. [TS]

01:16:34   If as long as it's a little bit more specific then we used what did you think of that. [TS]

01:16:38   We've already established I'm terrible at asking good questions. OK Well I don't like I just want to hear. [TS]

01:16:43   I would what I would want you to do is go through your notes but you have no notes. Let's cut to the chase. [TS]

01:16:48   Let's let's start at the end let's cut to the chase. Back at the text message conversation might scroll back. [TS]

01:16:58   My current position is having done it. Still I don't want to get one and have no intention of getting one. [TS]

01:17:07   So that's that's the headline of black like a good newspaper man I'm doing the inverted pyramid [TS]

01:17:11   and just getting straight [TS]

01:17:12   but the newspaper story starting with Brady Harum will not buy an apple watch you know watch for me says Brady Haran [TS]

01:17:18   says he says hair and so there we go even better no swearing no I said no which for me says hair [TS]

01:17:25   and maybe you've got to start with a strong word in the newspaper and then it's all downhill from that headline. [TS]

01:17:30   Yes it should be more hair and slams watch Yeah yeah. [TS]

01:17:35   So I'm not going to get one if you had my impressions are that it was I expected it to be nicer looking than I expected [TS]

01:17:46   and it was if that makes sense. OK it's a party for a second. Just think about it you expect. [TS]

01:17:57   Wait I didn't like what it looks like in pictures but. I knew when I saw it for real. [TS]

01:18:01   I would think wow that does look better than the pictures. And indeed that is what happened. [TS]

01:18:07   So you knew that your expectations were lower than they should be. [TS]

01:18:12   I knew it would be more impressive in real life and it was then you were expecting it to be [TS]

01:18:20   and you know what I mean you know what I mean you're just you're just hanging me out to dry and I am not. [TS]

01:18:25   I swear to god I am not hanging out to dry. [TS]

01:18:27   I feel like we have two levels of expectations here [TS]

01:18:30   and I'm just trying to figure out how you hold that in your brain [TS]

01:18:32   but let's move past that because we will get derailed. But I am I am not trying to confuse you. [TS]

01:18:36   I am genuinely like some kind of weird recursion here in your expectations that I can't quite on the Apple Watch was [TS]

01:18:44   much nicer to look at in real life than it is in the pictures on the website. [TS]

01:18:50   Right's right and that is what I expected the case today. So why did you try on for yourself. I tried a bunch of them. [TS]

01:18:58   Lots and lots of different sizes and different bands and the first thing I thought was Let's not talk about the watch. [TS]

01:19:05   So for a minute let's talk about the bands really it's all about the bands as they go into the shop. [TS]

01:19:10   You look at what it does and then it's like this whole band experience. [TS]

01:19:14   Yes some of the things I thought about the bands I was I was impressed by the ability to change links so easily which [TS]

01:19:21   is never been the case with watches. [TS]

01:19:23   I was very impressed with the mechanism whereby you can change the bands themselves on the watch [TS]

01:19:27   but it was a lovely little piece of engineering. [TS]

01:19:29   Most of the bands I was impressed by how nice they fell on the hand [TS]

01:19:34   and a lot of them felt very pleasurable on the hand especially those kind of leathery ones they felt nice I didn't like [TS]

01:19:41   how some of the bands looked the mill unease when I think's a debacle. [TS]

01:19:46   I don't know why anyone will get that back anyway but some people like it so that one seems to be a very divisive one. [TS]

01:19:53   Yeah I would say that one definitely very divisive because I've had the same conversation with a few people where to me. [TS]

01:20:00   My I that looks like a very feminine watch band but people seem to disagree. [TS]

01:20:05   And when I first heard I was surprised I was shocked that anybody could possibly disagree [TS]

01:20:10   but this is this is where fashion is just a strange thing everybody has very personal reactions to different kinds of [TS]

01:20:18   bands and I've heard people say things about the bands that I like or I think or how could you possibly think that. [TS]

01:20:24   But so it's very it's very very weird [TS]

01:20:26   but I would bet the mill in these one is top on the people disagree in wildly different directions about it. [TS]

01:20:33   Band I didn't like how it looked off or on the hand. [TS]

01:20:37   Some of them like I thought some of the Metrolink ones and the metal ones I would like and then [TS]

01:20:41   when I put them on my hand I didn't like so much if I was going to get one I would probably get a live band with the [TS]

01:20:50   traditional buckle Funnily enough that's that's the one I felt that I could see that working for you [TS]

01:20:55   and I didn't expect that to be the case so I thought because you know I've got my my watch it's got like a steel band [TS]

01:21:00   like I wear a silvery still bad but I didn't like had I looked in the Apple Watch so much. [TS]

01:21:05   I still don't like how it looks as much as a normal watch that Qantas is where look I didn't use a anough to give you a [TS]

01:21:14   fair assessment but I didn't particularly enjoy the touching and the using of it. [TS]

01:21:18   I didn't immediately like it didn't immediately seem hugely intuitive to me. [TS]

01:21:23   Which one did the Mrs like she got to watch as she she found it she said she doesn't want to get one either [TS]

01:21:28   but she she enjoyed she enjoyed looking at them and found them really interesting [TS]

01:21:32   and in some ways I thought maybe she likes them more than me. [TS]

01:21:35   And then like I said she knows nothing about them about what they're made of or the pricing structure [TS]

01:21:39   or how anything works. [TS]

01:21:41   And after looking at them all she's like oh can I try one of those Goldy colored ones on [TS]

01:21:45   and he said Oh you can try them on and she's like Argh. [TS]

01:21:47   They're the one I quite like the look of that one so I think I probably get that one and then I had I was [TS]

01:21:52   and she was I How much is that one and then the guy said you know all these thousands upon thousands [TS]

01:21:56   and she was like Are you joking. Yeah they started twelve. Thousand Pounds in the U.K. [TS]

01:22:01   I think so I then had to explain you know they're made of actual go. [TS]

01:22:05   You know she's a smart woman so she was like OK well of course she didn't realize they were made of actual gold she [TS]

01:22:10   just thought I would go to colored [TS]

01:22:12   and it does raise an interesting question that if you don't like sue over because the jury [TS]

01:22:16   and you like Goldy colour jury like like some people are in camps over a camp goat and all. [TS]

01:22:22   Some people will go jury [TS]

01:22:24   and there's no watch for them because you can't wear a silver watch if you go jury no go jury because it clashes so [TS]

01:22:31   Apple have kind of left those people out in the dark half [TS]

01:22:34   and they are they're like partly surprised there was no goatee colored one that is affordable. [TS]

01:22:39   But I see why there's not. Yeah you can see why they can't have a sports watch that is also gold. [TS]

01:22:45   Yeah because you have because the gold is all about the rich people showing off [TS]

01:22:48   and how can you prove you're a rich person if other people can have cheap gold colored ones. [TS]

01:22:53   So anyway I went and looked at them and I've got to look at them since again in the shop [TS]

01:22:57   and had a little touch on a play in which your media Speedmaster is going to live live indefinitely on your wrist as a [TS]

01:23:04   plan. I love it more every day. I am genuinely relieved to hear that I'm genuinely relieved to hear that. [TS]

01:23:13   So is there anything else you want to or if I told you enough without notes my interview skills are lacking [TS]

01:23:19   but I feel like I feel like I get a sense of it. [TS]

01:23:22   I'm not surprised about the classic one feel like you know I could definitely see that working as a as a look for you. [TS]

01:23:27   Most of the class was a very clever they have done very well with a lot of the engineering nominees they have they have [TS]

01:23:34   done well a lot most of the classics I liked [TS]

01:23:36   but I did like just the traditional looking one I will say one other thing about that I think about the watch before [TS]

01:23:41   you talk a bit about it because I know you have a few things to say and that is [TS]

01:23:45   and I've seen other people discussing this [TS]

01:23:47   and I even weighed into a Twitter discussion about it with the likes of John Gray [TS]

01:23:52   and that is having the watch face shows like a pretend mechanical watch on this crane. [TS]

01:24:00   A graph setting so you look at your screen [TS]

01:24:02   and it's like a pretend watch rendered on the rendered on the watch I don't see the point of that I think it's [TS]

01:24:10   and I think it's really pointless and a little bit silly. Like I always say if you're going to be a bear be a grizzly. [TS]

01:24:17   If you're going to have this electronic high tech watch don't have a rendering. Pretend old fashioned watch faces on. [TS]

01:24:24   That seems really silly to me. That's the equivalent of having a fireplace or an aquarium on your T.V. [TS]

01:24:31   If you want an aquarium get an aquarium if you want to have a fireplace get a fireplace if you want to have light hands [TS]

01:24:38   and second hands in a round face [TS]

01:24:39   and the old fashioned watch can now fashion watch if you want to move with the times and get something high tech [TS]

01:24:45   and take the next step and maybe it's the way of the future. Do that but take advantage of the technology. [TS]

01:24:52   Take advantage of the things a screen can do like you don't have electronic versions of a rotary dial on your phone [TS]

01:25:00   because that's that's an old fashioned technology [TS]

01:25:03   and I think people having this like old fashion if they want that kind of you know Speedmaster chronograph you look on [TS]

01:25:09   their wrist and it's just being rented on a screen. [TS]

01:25:12   I feel like that's a bit silly and I may be mistaken [TS]

01:25:17   but didn't you record a Yule log on one of your channels for people to play on their computers at Christmas. [TS]

01:25:24   Yeah and I did that because I was I was invited to do it and I was OK but but oh but oh [TS]

01:25:30   but oh say that oh say I did that [TS]

01:25:32   but I did that with like that the twist of being able to like throw dangerous chemicals onto it [TS]

01:25:38   and things like that I still a Christian does you a lot of people would be playing on their computers a Christmas I [TS]

01:25:43   also feel that I was a bit ironic [TS]

01:25:45   but I don't think people having the chronographs on their watch doing it in a kind of ironic funny way I mean those [TS]

01:25:52   videos will look almost a spoof of Eulo videos in the same way that like my calculator and books. [TS]

01:26:00   The videos are a spoof of unboxing videos I feel like my you look pretty it was like a parody of the fact people do [TS]

01:26:07   that whereas I don't think people who are wearing these pretend chronographs on their I watch like parodying anything I [TS]

01:26:14   think they're doing it because it's the look they want [TS]

01:26:16   and I'm just not on board with it I think if you're going to have an apple watch you know utilized to screen the people [TS]

01:26:22   who have these sort of panel versions where they show the time [TS]

01:26:25   and then next appointment stuff like OK it's not for me but I'm on board with that lies in the technology. [TS]

01:26:31   But telling the time on this part with pretend hands [TS]

01:26:34   and all that sort of thing which you know you have hands on a clock because of the technology necessitates the Weight [TS]

01:26:41   Watchers and the mechanism or watches work necessitates that it's no longer necessary on a on of it on a computer [TS]

01:26:49   and it just feels a bit silly to me it feels like it feels like having a you know you don't have more than you probably [TS]

01:26:57   do actually but I wouldn't have a modern grandfather clock which instead of a grandfather. [TS]

01:27:01   It has a screen on there that has like a pretend pendulums swinging and pretend Yeah yeah that feels stupid to me [TS]

01:27:09   but to me and it feels a bit the same way with the watch I feel like you know I don't have an old fashion [TS]

01:27:15   and I know there's a bit more nuance to the discussion and I've read a little bit about what [TS]

01:27:19   and I've heard what John Gruber said about on his podcast and what he's written about it [TS]

01:27:22   and I understand the argument I just wanted to fill in on his side. [TS]

01:27:27   I missed I missed your Twitter interaction so unlucky I'm not sure what his his Are you thinking. [TS]

01:27:33   So so for me I am very aware of time as existing in this circle that goes round and round. [TS]

01:27:41   That is part of his argument that's just how that's how he's used to reading time [TS]

01:27:45   and he doesn't want to unlearn that which I don't agree with I think you can and then a very quickly [TS]

01:27:49   and just so you're in the picture the other thing he says is he thinks the watch isn't too sort of skeuomorphic a [TS]

01:27:55   heavyset like he says you know it's not like they're rendering shadows and things like that. [TS]

01:28:00   So he thinks it doesn't go too far down that path. [TS]

01:28:03   I mean I don't know the skew morphism argue that argument has never been interesting to me like there's a look at it as [TS]

01:28:09   another I don't really that's that's not I only care about skew morphism once you talk about skew morphism enforcing [TS]

01:28:16   limitations as famously the apple podcast did when it was pretending to be a reel to reel tape player [TS]

01:28:22   and allowed you to do basically nothing because they wanted to preserve the metaphor that looks like a reel to reel [TS]

01:28:28   tape players and what are you doing. [TS]

01:28:29   This is stupid [TS]

01:28:31   or the thing that I find most frustrating is on the kind of skew morphism on digital calendars where you can only [TS]

01:28:38   scroll a month at a time and so you have to flip back and forth between two virtual pages. [TS]

01:28:43   When you're looking at an event that at the end of April [TS]

01:28:46   and the beginning of the next month they know you can make is a continuous scroll. [TS]

01:28:50   And so that's why I like that's the kind of skew morphism that I find really frustrating there's no reason for the [TS]

01:28:54   month to exist as a page on a computer but the way you know the way things look with shadows [TS]

01:28:59   and stuff I've never I've never really cared about that but. [TS]

01:29:01   OK I am aware that for me like a digital readout I have always found somehow harder to read. [TS]

01:29:08   There's something about it being overly precise that bothers me and some people have noticed [TS]

01:29:14   when I take screenshots on occasion of my computer I don't have a normal clock in the upper right hand corner. [TS]

01:29:21   I have something that's called a fuzzy clock where normally it would display the digits. [TS]

01:29:27   Right now it actually just has a few words and it says five past eight. [TS]

01:29:33   So the clock on my computer always writes out a sentence like that. [TS]

01:29:37   It'll say quarter to six and then it will say ten to six they'll say six O. [TS]

01:29:42   Clock say noon and I find that a million times easier to look at [TS]

01:29:50   and you have a sense of the time then something that says six thirty seven [TS]

01:29:55   and there's something about the I can't deal with the precision of the minute it's to pursue. [TS]

01:30:00   As I don't need to know it and it's almost like it somehow that extra precision slows me down [TS]

01:30:05   and so that's why I really do like circular clock faces as well because you can look at it like I have a sense of the [TS]

01:30:11   time without needing to know the precision of the time. [TS]

01:30:15   Is that because knowing a precise time would kind of add to your cognitive load [TS]

01:30:20   or it would just it would cause you stress and you want to avoid that stress. [TS]

01:30:24   I don't I don't I would say it causes stress I'm just aware that there's something about looking at digital number [TS]

01:30:30   clock that is fractionally slower every time I do it which makes no sense because it's should be more immediately [TS]

01:30:37   readable. [TS]

01:30:37   But it isn't it isn't [TS]

01:30:39   and it's probably just because I grew up with circular watches looking at circular clocks in school [TS]

01:30:44   and watching them go round and round you know praying for the end of the day and knowing the shape of the clock [TS]

01:30:50   when you could finally be free and go home and not have to do any of this nonsense anymore. [TS]

01:30:54   So if you'd grown up with clocks which showed like the face of a bear when it was three o'clock [TS]

01:30:58   and then the face of a giraffe and it was four o'clock [TS]

01:31:01   and yeah I'm sure I'd be thinking oh it's almost bear oclock now thank God you know now I would keep that up. [TS]

01:31:07   So it's almost like a pictorial way of telling time rather than. [TS]

01:31:10   Yeah I said yeah OK I mean that's kind of that's kind of the Graybar argument too I think to some it's just it's just [TS]

01:31:18   what he's used to. It's just his way of telling time. But I do. [TS]

01:31:22   I don't I don't think it's utilizing the technology [TS]

01:31:25   and I think that's a behavior that could be pretty easily on land I grew up using a rotary phone [TS]

01:31:30   and dialing phone numbers by putting my finger in the three and then moving my finger down to the nine [TS]

01:31:34   and I learned that pretty quickly when I had buttons. [TS]

01:31:38   So if it doesn't quite It doesn't quite wash for me [TS]

01:31:41   and I think making the watch try to be like these old fashioned watches is just I think it's not the way to go you know [TS]

01:31:50   so the reason this is particularly funny is because right on my watch right now I actually happen to be using the [TS]

01:31:56   chronograph face of an apple. So you are wearing it up. [TS]

01:32:00   What you haven't told anyone that I am wearing an apple watch right now [TS]

01:32:02   and I don't I don't actually normally use the chronograph I don't like the way it looks [TS]

01:32:07   but I thought Ooh let me switch over to this and let me just use it for timing the podcast [TS]

01:32:12   and tell me afterwards tell me your thoughts on it is we are in in one hour thirty two minutes seventeen seconds right [TS]

01:32:18   now so I have to give the other side to give first impressions because my watch arrived just a little bit over twenty [TS]

01:32:26   four hours ago so I have had kind of a day and a half with it. And yes great great did not tell me everyone. [TS]

01:32:33   He didn't tell me he didn't. [TS]

01:32:34   OK OK OK Listen yesterday we were just trying to coordinate the time to to get this [TS]

01:32:40   and who was not replying to my text messages you I literally had no time except minutes before this podcast in which to [TS]

01:32:47   possibly tell you that I had got an apple I could have said that you want to know if what you do know is I was getting [TS]

01:32:52   them while you were busy offline I sent text messages to two different addresses I sent an e-mail I didn't get a [TS]

01:32:57   response until this morning I felt deeply hurt [TS]

01:33:00   but I didn't know where you were I was going to randomly start some conversation Hey let's talk about my new Apple [TS]

01:33:04   Watch maybe you're busy dealing with some problem I have no idea if I got an apple watch [TS]

01:33:08   or text you straight away I'd say because you're like my apple watch my so I'd be like Great guess what I'm wearing [TS]

01:33:12   guess what I've got to be so excited. [TS]

01:33:14   We learn he literally had no time in which to possibly discuss this until this podcast not trade anyway then you know [TS]

01:33:21   it is a one hundred percent true I will not let you deceive our listeners in this manner. [TS]

01:33:26   There was no time in which we could have discussed this. [TS]

01:33:29   I'm just trying to scare us I'm just saying tell me you've got it. I told you right before we started to record. [TS]

01:33:34   No you didn't I was a sore on your wrist. [TS]

01:33:36   No no you said you don't have a watch and then I said yes I do and showed it to you I can I have I have the recording. [TS]

01:33:45   Trust me they don't have the recording so the band I saw the band and thought it looked different. [TS]

01:33:50   If I have the recording I'm going to put it in right now [TS]

01:33:52   but I told you first I swear this is the part I'm either prove No you made the video to do it justice because I saw the [TS]

01:33:58   band on your hands. I thought it didn't look like your watching on what's she wearing. Now that I don't think of that. [TS]

01:34:04   But anyway this is all this is all a sideshow of us just all of us just bickering like old ladies. [TS]

01:34:10   Let's go clothes shopping I would love to not go clothes shopping with you Brady that would never happen. [TS]

01:34:16   Tell me about your first twenty four hours with the watch because you're not going to Cape and all that sort of stuff. [TS]

01:34:21   When I said I was relieved before that you were like in your Omega Speedmaster more and more. [TS]

01:34:25   My first twenty four hours with the watch definitely convinced me that that you should never have one of these. [TS]

01:34:31   This would be this would be no good for you [TS]

01:34:34   and it is so easy to make it be just this new notification addiction machine so I thought Oh God I hope Brady never [TS]

01:34:42   gets one because he will be even more consumed by beeps and buzzers and distractions [TS]

01:34:48   and shiny things than he already is. So I'm very very happy you're with your media Speedmaster. [TS]

01:34:53   Can I just clarify for you. [TS]

01:34:56   I have unbelievably few notifications on my phone [TS]

01:35:00   but I don't get notifications for him I was the only time my phone ever make noise is if I get a text message [TS]

01:35:08   and I only get text messages really from. [TS]

01:35:10   You and my wife and maybe a couple of other nights say [TS]

01:35:13   but yeah I do understand I'm just talking about in general your distracted nature yet my problem is I take out of my [TS]

01:35:19   pocket all the time. That is all right and now you have things. [TS]

01:35:21   If you'd have something on your wrist to constantly be checking [TS]

01:35:24   and looking here to anybody who either has just gotten an apple watch or his or will be getting one very soon. [TS]

01:35:31   I think the way to go into this is to almost pretend that additional apps don't exist [TS]

01:35:39   and really think of it as I have bought a watch that has changeable watch faces. [TS]

01:35:45   I'm going to select one that I like and this watch happens to be able to do a few additional very useful things. [TS]

01:35:54   But a number of people that I have spoken with and that I've heard talking about. [TS]

01:36:00   Watch are trying to treat it as though it's a tiny iphone and it is so clearly not a tiny iphone but in the stores [TS]

01:36:10   and with family members [TS]

01:36:12   and with a bunch of other people everybody is all about the apps they're thinking oh what are the apps that can be on [TS]

01:36:17   this phone and I think that is the totally wrong way to think about this device [TS]

01:36:22   and I was trying I was trying today to think of a way to describe it [TS]

01:36:25   and the best I can come up with is that the Apple Watch my first impression anyway is this might be one of the most low [TS]

01:36:34   key technology purchases I have ever made in my life. [TS]

01:36:40   It's very helpful but it's not attention getting in the way that an i Phone is [TS]

01:36:46   and it's not trying to do a whole bunch of stuff that a way an i Phone Is it really feels like hey I'm a watch that is [TS]

01:36:54   additionally useful in some clever ways [TS]

01:36:57   but I'm not trying to take over your whole life so low key is the best way that I can think of it [TS]

01:37:02   and I have really enjoyed it so far. [TS]

01:37:04   I don't think about all the apps people just think about it as a watch that happens to do some additional things [TS]

01:37:10   pretend like those apps aren't even there. I think you have a much better experience with a kind of straight away. [TS]

01:37:16   Well let me ask you this then because your previous watch which was. [TS]

01:37:22   If it wasn't for who you are for like your previous watches very very pretty you know very beautiful very a very [TS]

01:37:28   elegant good looking object and to me it was also a piece of jewelry. [TS]

01:37:33   It was it was a it was a statement you were making about your taste and things like that. [TS]

01:37:37   Does the Apple Watch cut the mustard. [TS]

01:37:40   Is the Apple Watch at the same level as that watch [TS]

01:37:43   or have you compromised do you think what you're wearing on your wrist now is less beautiful [TS]

01:37:49   or less of a statement in that terms about the style of who you are. [TS]

01:37:54   OK Well this is a terribly unfair question at the moment because I ordered to watch. [TS]

01:38:00   He's hoping that one of them would arrive before the one we want. [TS]

01:38:04   So I actually have one that is basically my trial watch see if it's something that I'm going to keep. [TS]

01:38:10   So right now on my wrist I am wearing the black aluminum sports watch which I think is a pretty good looking [TS]

01:38:20   but it is it is nowhere near the piece of jewelry of the watch that I am actually really have my heart set on is the [TS]

01:38:29   black link one that is not arriving until next year or so. According to delivery estimates. [TS]

01:38:37   So that is that is the one that I would actually want [TS]

01:38:40   and that's the one that I think would look the best although I still haven't been able to try that on because the [TS]

01:38:46   supplies are so low they don't even have them in the stores. [TS]

01:38:48   I keep checking in every once in a while with Oxford Street store here about how do you guys have the black link [TS]

01:38:54   and they go oh no we don't have it. [TS]

01:38:56   They're not even to trial [TS]

01:38:57   and so that's why I really think that one might not be shipping for forever which is why I put in the order for the [TS]

01:39:02   black sports one to at least be able to try it right away [TS]

01:39:05   and to get some sense of Is this a thing worth waiting for is a thing that I want to really have [TS]

01:39:10   or you know I'll just you know just return this and then not even [TS]

01:39:14   and then cancel my order for the other one exists it's not worth it. [TS]

01:39:16   But I like it straight away thing on my wrist is not a piece of jewelry. [TS]

01:39:21   It is it is a very functional object and that's fine. [TS]

01:39:25   What are you liking about it [TS]

01:39:26   and if you're if you're using so few of the apps you are talking just a little notifications [TS]

01:39:30   and I guess you know this is exactly how I feel things are useful is that if it can do a couple things well I'm sold [TS]

01:39:40   and the thing that the Apple Watch does really well are these little tap notifications where it feels like it's tapping [TS]

01:39:47   your wrist because when I got the watch first thing I did put it in mute. [TS]

01:39:51   So it doesn't make any noises so it's not beeping or anything [TS]

01:39:55   and I turned off basically every single notification except for a very few. [TS]

01:40:00   And I really like the way a couple things are coming through on the watch [TS]

01:40:05   and one of which is really great is timers so I use timers a lot when I work I have forty minute timers [TS]

01:40:15   and twenty minute timers that I'm constantly setting for different sorts of tasks and I want to know [TS]

01:40:19   when those have run down and to have the want to do this little tap tap tap thing when the timer has run down. [TS]

01:40:27   It's hard to describe how helpful that is when I'm working because it's something that I'm aware of [TS]

01:40:32   but I can ignore in a way that I could never ignore a vibrating phone or an audio alarm for the timer being over. [TS]

01:40:41   And boy is that great if I go Hey tap tap tap I know that the timer has gone off [TS]

01:40:46   but you've managed to not distract me or startled me with the sound [TS]

01:40:50   or do you thing that I have to deal with like the i Phone six plus and it's huge vibration motor on the desk [TS]

01:40:56   or anything so I absolutely love this as a little feature and even if it was just a watch. [TS]

01:41:03   But additionally did these silent timers I'd be I'd be totally sold. But there are. [TS]

01:41:07   I think I've been playing around with the health features which are really nice I did my exercise at the gym today with [TS]

01:41:12   it recording my heartbeat [TS]

01:41:14   and all that stuff I mean this this kind of thing you need to use over over a longer period of time. [TS]

01:41:19   I would say the silent notifications are the greatest [TS]

01:41:22   and I also did play around with the walking directions where it taps you on the wrist for when you want to turn left [TS]

01:41:28   or [TS]

01:41:28   when you want to turn right which if you go back to one of our earlier podcast was one of the things I guessed I would [TS]

01:41:33   really like and find useful and I'm exactly correct about that. [TS]

01:41:37   Being able to set a destination a walking destination [TS]

01:41:41   and have it just tap my wrist for the turns is beautiful it's absolutely beautiful. [TS]

01:41:47   I can just walk somewhere [TS]

01:41:49   and kind of not have to think about it I don't have Siri interrupting me in my ear with audio directions if I'm trying [TS]

01:41:55   to listen to a podcast at the same time which is hugely frustrating in a spot. Part because Siri is way too chatty. [TS]

01:42:03   So I'm I'm really liking that as well. And yeah it's it's very nice. I am pretty I'm pretty happy with it. [TS]

01:42:11   Let me see I have a couple other notes here. OK. [TS]

01:42:16   Someone makes nice at least I do make and doing so more convinced terrible for notification junkies not for Brady. [TS]

01:42:24   Oh my mother concerned that the other concern that I had was I was worried about glancing at the time that it might not [TS]

01:42:29   work out very well because there is this little bit of a delay [TS]

01:42:32   when you turn it up so far I haven't even haven't even noticed some things about that thing that comes into my head [TS]

01:42:38   and I this is sort of a something I have done about before but I still feel a bit sad about it because to me watches [TS]

01:42:44   and their various forms but especially you know mechanical watches. [TS]

01:42:49   Just like a little connection with the past [TS]

01:42:50   and part of human heritage I didn't feel like it was a big sacrifice to have a watch on your hands a little nod to that [TS]

01:42:56   and a little piece of tradition [TS]

01:42:58   and I feel like I feel like we've lost that to functionality it's a bit like this is an extreme example [TS]

01:43:04   when you watch it you get angry at me for [TS]

01:43:05   but it's a bit like saying well let's knock down the Coliseum because well the Coliseum is old [TS]

01:43:12   and not useful for anything and yet we could put a shopping center there or a cinema or on housing [TS]

01:43:17   or things that people can actually use every minute of their life as opposed to just a relic from the past that we look [TS]

01:43:24   at and I feel like we're taking the little coliseums of a hand a little that little connection with the past [TS]

01:43:30   and trading it in for trading in for taps and notifications and timers and [TS]

01:43:36   and we didn't need to do that we already have lots of other things that do it so I feel a bit sad I feel like we're [TS]

01:43:41   losing a little piece of connection with the past. [TS]

01:43:45   Well you know you don't have to and you're going to keep wearing your make a Speedmaster of course. [TS]

01:43:49   Let me let me give you a I just I was just thinking of trying to explain why this is different [TS]

01:43:54   and so here's a really good example that just happened. So my wife and I before the podcast. [TS]

01:44:00   We're just having dinner and I know that you are on a timetable for when we can record this today. [TS]

01:44:05   So I had set an alarm on my watch that told me at this point you need to leave [TS]

01:44:12   and go set up the podcast equipment in order to make it on time for Brady. [TS]

01:44:16   And so while my wife and I were having dinner she was just telling me a story about what was going on in her day. [TS]

01:44:22   And while she's telling me the story the alarm goes off on my watch. Now I have it set to silent. [TS]

01:44:31   Yeah and the little moment is she can't hear my alarm. She has no idea that the alarm just went off. [TS]

01:44:38   So my alarm doesn't interrupt her story. It doesn't cut her off. [TS]

01:44:43   I'm aware of what I need to be aware of and I could let her finish her story [TS]

01:44:48   and then part the conversation at a moment that felt like it was a better moment to say OK you know now I've got to go. [TS]

01:44:56   I'll talk to you later. [TS]

01:44:57   And I didn't have to be like a little interruption [TS]

01:45:01   and I think that is really valuable to me to be able to be notified of something without disturbing the people around [TS]

01:45:10   you if you set it up in the right way. [TS]

01:45:12   Now lots of people will believe sounds on the phone in your pocket would have done that the phone the phone wouldn't do [TS]

01:45:17   that because also a day that you know perfectly well you're sitting with someone everyone can hear [TS]

01:45:21   when your phone is vibrating anyway. Yeah you know that Brady era there would not necessarily be. [TS]

01:45:29   But you're [TS]

01:45:29   but you're going to granted to me that lots of times you're sitting there is not like a secret that your phone is [TS]

01:45:35   vibrating. [TS]

01:45:35   I think it should be OK but maybe I haven't quite designed it well [TS]

01:45:39   and I think we're not talking about it if it should be or isn't [TS]

01:45:41   but it isn't under a lot of so I know I'm with people I can hear when their phone vibrates. It's no surprise. [TS]

01:45:48   So that little kind of interaction was something that I thought was was was very nice to be able to do in a different [TS]

01:45:56   kind of way. I know the thing that I need to know but I haven't. [TS]

01:46:00   Interrupted the person who I am talking with and he says it was just a very small moment [TS]

01:46:04   but that to me is like oh this is a great additional little feature. [TS]

01:46:09   I mean there's a couple other things that have been very nice just using it in the past day just in the gym being able [TS]

01:46:15   to tap a couple things on my wrist instead of having to hold my phone in [TS]

01:46:20   and out of my pocket all the time like I just made exercising at the gym a little bit easier. [TS]

01:46:25   And these little things for me really add up like who can we make this interaction a little bit smoother. [TS]

01:46:31   Can we do this just a little bit easier. I think that's really valuable. [TS]

01:46:35   You're going to think I'm crazy for saying this but when you told me that story about talking to your wife [TS]

01:46:40   and getting that secret tab but letting her continue to talk. [TS]

01:46:44   I find that really sneaky and really non-transparent [TS]

01:46:47   and I actually don't like the idea that I would be sitting at you with the pub [TS]

01:46:51   and you're getting all these secret messages into your wrist and not telling me [TS]

01:46:55   and like managing me I would almost rather the transparency of your phone going paying [TS]

01:47:01   and you're going oh that's my Lama guy meeting later on but let's keep talking. [TS]

01:47:04   I always find a little bit deceptive that everyone's going around getting these secret little messages into their wrist. [TS]

01:47:11   And and I don't know and they're like they're like yeah they're mad managing me. [TS]

01:47:15   I love how you already positing a world where everybody is already managing you with their secret watches. [TS]

01:47:22   First of all I can guarantee you that not very many people will set the watch the way I do to have it completely silent. [TS]

01:47:28   I bet almost everybody will leave all the little audio notifications on which I think is entirely the wrong way to do [TS]

01:47:33   it. [TS]

01:47:34   And as we've discussed I don't have very many notifications [TS]

01:47:39   and I am aware that with the watch I'm already turning down some of the limited notifications that I have on the phone [TS]

01:47:45   because the one thing that I don't like is at least in the current version of the software there isn't quite enough [TS]

01:47:51   control over how you want notifications to be distributed between the phone and the watch. [TS]

01:47:58   It's a bit like oh the phone either. Next what the watch does or the phone doesn't. [TS]

01:48:03   I'm sure they'll do more of that in the future [TS]

01:48:05   but the interesting the interesting trick if anyone is playing around with the watch that I have found so far. [TS]

01:48:10   If you're a person like me who has very few notifications is to not have the watch mirror the phone in do not disturb [TS]

01:48:18   mode. [TS]

01:48:19   What this means is that notifications that would normally be blocked by your phone while your phone is in do not [TS]

01:48:25   disturb mode can still go to your watch and there are a couple of situations where this is this is proving useful [TS]

01:48:31   and interesting things that you can do about it [TS]

01:48:33   but they do need to add more more settings for precisely how notifications are controlled. [TS]

01:48:37   But nobody's managing you yet Brady you haven't even seen anybody with a watch [TS]

01:48:41   and I'm sure everybody else's watches will be loud. [TS]

01:48:43   I'll be well I will be curious to ask your wife or hear what your wife's reaction is [TS]

01:48:48   when she hears that anecdote you just wrote that she was telling a story [TS]

01:48:52   and then you got the secret tap she didn't know about and you like allowed her to finish a story. [TS]

01:48:58   But the whole time you knew you knew you now had something to say but you were just keeping it to yourself [TS]

01:49:04   and waiting for her to finish a story. I'll be curious to hear what she says how she feels about that. [TS]

01:49:09   Probably probably pretty Colbert because she's pretty cool person. [TS]

01:49:12   But like I wouldn't like I wouldn't like I would prefer that I just knew that he just got a notification [TS]

01:49:17   and it was now in your mind I wanted out. [TS]

01:49:20   I'd want to know what's affecting you and not have secret things coming in that are affecting it in ways I don't know. [TS]

01:49:26   I can say very briefly on the flip side because my wife got her watch on the day of launch so she's had a little bit [TS]

01:49:31   longer than I have and she had it when I didn't have one. [TS]

01:49:34   One thing that I noticed right away is she has messages go to her watch was the first night we were just sitting around [TS]

01:49:42   and she got a couple of text messages [TS]

01:49:45   and I have to say I really like the fact that she could do exactly what she did which was a couple of times. [TS]

01:49:52   She clearly got the notification on her wrist that a message come through. [TS]

01:49:56   She flipped up her watch she looked at the message and also saw that. [TS]

01:50:00   Didn't need to be replied to and then just put her wrist down and we continued talking [TS]

01:50:04   and doing whatever we were doing that it sounds dumb but that's a million times less destructive than [TS]

01:50:11   when she would have to pick up her phone and kind of hold her phone in between us and take a look at it [TS]

01:50:17   and then put the phone down and the phone is now on the table in between the two of us. [TS]

01:50:23   If it doesn't sound like it's a big difference [TS]

01:50:25   but I'm telling you it's a huge difference in someone being able to just quickly look at a thing versus bringing out an [TS]

01:50:34   object to physically demonstrate that they are checking the thing in front of you or potentially unlocking their phone. [TS]

01:50:42   It was it's different in I think a very positive way. [TS]

01:50:46   It makes things smoother in a way that I found oh I like [TS]

01:50:49   or I should put this way that I was kind of less annoyed at moments [TS]

01:50:55   when she would check a message that I might otherwise be in certain circumstances. [TS]

01:50:59   So I was on the opposite end of that and I give it I give it a thumbs up. [TS]

01:51:04   Well I'm happy that I'm actually a bit disappointed that you're happy I was secretly hoping that you'd get it [TS]

01:51:10   and tell me that it's not that great and you'd return. But I knew that wasn't what was going to happen. [TS]

01:51:16   They did love it and get it. I should be happy for you. I'm just being grouchy old man. [TS]

01:51:22   That's OK you can be you can be a grouchy old man. [TS]

01:51:25   It's not even that I'm happy with it it just feels that it's almost like it is integrated so fast into normalcy it is [TS]

01:51:32   surprising and that's why I use the word Low key I can't I really can't think of any kind of analogy for it [TS]

01:51:40   but it's almost like I don't know. Like buying like buying a really good coffee cup. [TS]

01:51:50   Is this coffee cup a lot better than the previous one. [TS]

01:51:53   Well no it's a little better but you immediately find yourself using it all the time [TS]

01:51:58   and you appreciate the way that it is. A slightly better but it's also super. [TS]

01:52:02   You're used to using a coffee cup all the time so it just like slides right in there's no getting used to it at all. [TS]

01:52:08   Like a really comfy pair of shoes. Yeah yeah. [TS]

01:52:12   Or just you know getting in getting a new pair of shoes that's very comfortable you don't need to really learn how to [TS]

01:52:17   use shoes. Yeah and I feel that the watch is very much like that. [TS]

01:52:21   I don't really see so far I haven't really been using the third party apps at all it's just a watch in the way that a [TS]

01:52:28   watch normally is. [TS]

01:52:29   There's a couple of buttons on the edges that I can press to get some additional information [TS]

01:52:35   and it also silently notifies me about things that I have chosen for it to notify me. And it's it's it's a big deal. [TS]

01:52:43   I actually already replied to you on the watch once today with one of those messages that you are sending me before [TS]

01:52:48   and it was very nice very easy. [TS]

01:52:49   This was during that time when you couldn't contact me and couldn't tell me you had a watch. [TS]

01:52:54   Yeah this was fifteen minutes before the show and we were instant messaging. Exactly right. [TS]

01:53:01   OK Well I don't know if I can send you flowers from the watch I think it's just one of the faces so I don't think those [TS]

01:53:06   are as good. I've been sitting on this really hard flat chair for about two hours now and I've got a really sore back. [TS]

01:53:14   I'm sure listeners want to know. I'm just saying maybe we should stop. Let's stop. Let's stop. [TS]

01:53:20   We have got a couple of other cool items here but I can like you might. [TS]

01:53:24   He's totally lying there's nothing else that I should not use I would say there are no there are two more items here [TS]

01:53:29   you can say them under Brady is frustrating. [TS]

01:53:31   I won't say what they are because you get all upset because you don't want people to know what we're going to discuss [TS]

01:53:35   next time but you say them you say them but we'll look at the same document. I do I do see them both. [TS]

01:53:40   I have prepared really for neither of those things they were just they were just things they wrote down to make it look [TS]

01:53:44   like I had prepared. Yes we can we can talk about the launch. I do have one on me right now. [TS]