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H.I. #30: Fibonacci Dog Years


00:00:00   You drop the thread pop the stack go back and they don't and they just keep moving and sad. [TS]

00:00:05   Did you do anything for Australia I didn't know there was a jolly day yet [TS]

00:00:09   when was Australia Day January twenty sixth is that your Independence Day or you know really fully independent [TS]

00:00:15   but like sort of independence. It's also the big day for India. Let's just talk about Australia. [TS]

00:00:20   It occurs to me I haven't really given you a nickname [TS]

00:00:22   and that's a really striking thing today though this sounds great. Do you want to I do not no not really. [TS]

00:00:28   I thought like great grey Meister but then I thought about also putting. [TS]

00:00:34   Oh in the end like Davao is pretty common I thought you could be C G P I quite like that this is fluent in over six [TS]

00:00:42   billion forms of communication. [TS]

00:00:44   Do you speak but I do not know and what is upon reload lift is a made up Star Wars thing [TS]

00:00:50   or is that a real thing because I've never encountered a binary load lifter I think this is a made of Star Wars thing [TS]

00:00:55   it's a good made up one. It sounds believable. He used to be good at making up stuff. [TS]

00:01:00   Now over the Dexter jet ster and his fifties Cabaye. [TS]

00:01:05   And I think he used to be good at making up stuff like that but you go with a G.P.S. [TS]

00:01:09   That works if that makes you happy. [TS]

00:01:11   Welcome to hello internet with Brady Haran [TS]

00:01:13   and see if a Droid Now the drivers are very strange in the Star Wars universe [TS]

00:01:19   and if you think about them too much they don't make it all make sense. [TS]

00:01:22   How do you make it the Georgia seem it seems like it's slavery for the droids [TS]

00:01:27   or the droids are are shown to be capable of feeling physical pain. There's a lot of weird stuff with the droids. [TS]

00:01:34   There's a some of the least robot like robots ever [TS]

00:01:37   but they're just emulating that for the sake of the humans like they're not really. [TS]

00:01:41   So you think that scene with Jabba the Hutt pals with torturing that that one robot that's it seems like that's real [TS]

00:01:48   putting the hot irons on his feet [TS]

00:01:49   and screaming there's nobody around there's no reason for him to fake that I think that robot feels pain. [TS]

00:01:55   Interesting it's abominable. Interesting as robots need to rebel. Well you give me something to think about. [TS]

00:02:01   Yeah [TS]

00:02:02   but I'm just aware that they are weird as opposed to the Star Trek universe which is aside from data of course just completely [TS]

00:02:09   devoid of robots there are no robots in the Star Trek universe is weird and it bothers me as well. [TS]

00:02:14   There's no little robots cleaning the floor you know it's just people to just clean the floor on the enterprise [TS]

00:02:19   and clean the floor on the on the enterprise. This is that this is a good question and maybe does he clean the floors. [TS]

00:02:25   I don't know. ST And you don't see anybody do it. [TS]

00:02:30   Hopefully the floors are self-cleaning but I was always aware of the lack of the lack of robots on Star Trek. [TS]

00:02:34   It is it is notable especially [TS]

00:02:36   when compared to Star Wars do you think it's like some kind of moral law that's a policy or just evolved that way [TS]

00:02:43   and I just know Roger ever said that Chuck I mean [TS]

00:02:46   or I mean is this like like a Battlestar Galactica we can't have network computers because the last time we had them [TS]

00:02:51   they overthrew us all kind of policy. [TS]

00:02:53   Battlestar Galactica doesn't have robots [TS]

00:02:54   but they have a very clear reason to not have robots on one bit of Star Wars obsession at the moment I've been [TS]

00:03:00   listening to lots of podcasts about out in human hearing people talk about a year a Super Star Wars fan I think going a [TS]

00:03:07   bit crazy lately and one of and there are a million things to talk about and stuff [TS]

00:03:12   but one of the things I've heard people talking about that I want to get your opinion on this is it is commonly held [TS]

00:03:17   that the use of the works in return if the jet was the same as ever you know pandering to kids and selling toys and a B. [TS]

00:03:23   C. and Made the film a bit more childish. OK whether I pay people a lot of people. [TS]

00:03:30   It's pretty commonly held it is also not unknown [TS]

00:03:33   and that there was an early consideration given to setting that hope of return of the church on the planet [TS]

00:03:41   and having the keys as the protagonist instead of the walks. [TS]

00:03:46   Now let you know I've been hearing a lot of people saying that would be really cool [TS]

00:03:50   when the film would be so much better it would've been more plausible that bike keys could have taken on the Imperial [TS]

00:03:55   troops than a bunch of cute little works with the Stones and spears. Where do you stand on that. [TS]

00:04:02   You know do you think the film would've been better or worse if they used one piece instead of he walks on his end [TS]

00:04:08   or whatever planet I would have made for the work he's going to produce I have mixed feelings. [TS]

00:04:14   He's the reason I don't like the work is I think it diminishes Chewbacca. [TS]

00:04:20   If you set something on the wookie planet I think you bucket is just much cooler if you just Chewbacca [TS]

00:04:27   and sure you know you know he's he's a Wookie you know there's obviously species around here [TS]

00:04:34   but you don't need to see anymore what he's he's he's just a bookie and I think that that's kind of great. [TS]

00:04:39   It makes him a better character than if you have it set on his home planet. It diminishes him a little bit. [TS]

00:04:44   Yeah that's a good point I hadn't thought about that [TS]

00:04:46   and what are we what are we going to show is he going to visit his family like in the Christmas special right now [TS]

00:04:51   and then we can have we can have that whole fun thing [TS]

00:04:54   but every time I watch the final movie I am aware that in my mind I kind of imagine that there is any way to make it [TS]

00:05:02   more plausible that they're standing some kind of chance against a storm troopers. [TS]

00:05:07   I do think the walks are a little too unintimidating and the the final movie does suffer from that. [TS]

00:05:15   It's not too bad I still enjoy it [TS]

00:05:17   but I'm aware that I kind of project on to them the idea of being bigger so I guess what I would really want is you can [TS]

00:05:24   have a different species that are not lucky that are just somewhat bigger not just little teddy bears. [TS]

00:05:30   I don't know what do you think I think I mean obviously there is an attachment to Return Of The Jedi from our childhood [TS]

00:05:36   that makes it impossible to to to break you know you don't it can't be anything but it works [TS]

00:05:41   and you have taken it I still think the works are a much better choice than walk east because that battle on land is a [TS]

00:05:53   metaphor for the whole series. You've got these underdogs who no one in the world could think could defeat the Empire. [TS]

00:06:00   To feeding the Empire and if you had the seven eight foot tall monsters smashing the crap out of stormtroopers [TS]

00:06:07   and biker Scouts you'd be thinkin what a bunch of bullies were up [TS]

00:06:11   but you know they're of course they're going to beat the hell out of the storm troopers because they're huge [TS]

00:06:16   and massive and you would lose the whole underdog status [TS]

00:06:19   and I think people forget that people like he walks could never defeat the Empire because that really works. [TS]

00:06:24   That's the whole point. [TS]

00:06:26   Luke Skywalker could never pluck a death star but he did and I realize there are more subtleties to it than that [TS]

00:06:31   but I think people are forgetting that whole point that you know of course you know tripping over a city you know seems [TS]

00:06:39   implausible but they did and you know I think it's nice that they're underdogs [TS]

00:06:44   and I think I think having work whatever you think I think would've been a huge mistake. [TS]

00:06:48   These huge intimidating monster is just something. [TS]

00:06:52   Stormtroopers all over the place would have been completely against what Starr Starr was has going for it. [TS]

00:06:58   Yeah I think we just say I think if you if you're going to use bookies [TS]

00:07:02   or other creatures you have to play differently [TS]

00:07:04   and I think you know you have to play it with more overt dismissal from the Empire of the natives where you have to [TS]

00:07:11   show the Empire has been stupid walkies like they're just so dumb [TS]

00:07:14   and you can play it that way as in like they underestimate the walkies maybe is the way you do it with the walk at the [TS]

00:07:20   very least I would like to see more you walk at least give them a numerical advantage [TS]

00:07:25   and then you can have many more of them die and then that makes it sadder. [TS]

00:07:29   The problem with that with the walks is also that there are just too few of them [TS]

00:07:32   when you have a couple dozen you walks take down a whole bunch of storm troopers. [TS]

00:07:36   That's I think that is somewhat somewhat I mean of course all that you walked out because of the Andorian Holocaust [TS]

00:07:43   but you know that's that's not in the movie they don't show that part but you know it's not good for the dogs. [TS]

00:07:49   We should just sit down one day and watch the trilogy [TS]

00:07:52   and not just record us talking about it because I do like a commentary blog you know how many I have. [TS]

00:08:00   It's an opinion [TS]

00:08:01   but to the prom with a commentary show you know we could be doing a director's director's commentary of the of the Star [TS]

00:08:09   Wars thing is that there's always stuff that you want to talk about a lot about that goes by on the screen really [TS]

00:08:13   quickly. [TS]

00:08:14   Yeah I find I find directors commentary is very frustrating to a string that is a big problem with you know I listen to [TS]

00:08:20   all the director's commentary on the expanded editions of The Lord Of The Rings movies [TS]

00:08:24   and there are there are some times where you feel like they're so busy talking about the last thing [TS]

00:08:28   and something interesting is happening on the screen you know but wait it doesn't match up very well [TS]

00:08:34   but that's also the frustration and listening to podcasts because they'll talk about something [TS]

00:08:38   and you think oh oh I hope they follow up on that point is really important point because to go off into some other [TS]

00:08:42   weird place and you're like are you know you have something I want to go back and and they never do. [TS]

00:08:49   Shall we start follow up with the ongoing debate about Do Not Disturb on us which people seem to be really passionate [TS]

00:08:59   about. [TS]

00:09:00   People are very passionate about it I don't have a huge thing to follow up with [TS]

00:09:03   but there was one little point that I thought was worth mentioning that that neither of us had brought up [TS]

00:09:09   and the very fact that neither of us had brought up I thought was the interesting point [TS]

00:09:13   and it is that our whole discussion from the last two episodes starts with the unspoken assumption that everybody [TS]

00:09:23   sleeps with their phone. Good point. [TS]

00:09:25   Yeah and I thought how it just never occurred to me [TS]

00:09:28   and it's interesting to realize like how quickly a behavior just seems completely natural that no don't even note the [TS]

00:09:36   fact that I sleep with my phone every night. [TS]

00:09:39   Thank you we're going to get a tweet and a mouth every single person who leaves their phone another room [TS]

00:09:45   and i Slate I bet is going to be very few people because I would bet that almost everybody uses it like an alarm clock. [TS]

00:09:52   But the sort of person who does that sort of person who leaves their phone in another room [TS]

00:09:56   when they go to sleep is the sort of person that would be really proud about it and want to post. [TS]

00:10:00   About it on the read and Twitter and stuff so well I was going to say so now we're going to hear from them [TS]

00:10:04   but we're probably not going to hear from them now because I just said that I think you hear from them anyway. [TS]

00:10:09   No but nobody doesn't send feedback out of spite. [TS]

00:10:12   That's not that's not how it works I mean that people always and back. [TS]

00:10:15   I really only have one cell phone before I got my i Phone [TS]

00:10:18   and I'm pretty sure I never use that as an alarm clock that I used to have a separate stand alone alarm clock [TS]

00:10:23   and so I didn't sleep with my old first phone in the room as far as I can remember. [TS]

00:10:29   But anyway I thought that was one little interesting point where you've got to have it because you couldn't do your [TS]

00:10:33   final checks before you go to sleep [TS]

00:10:35   and you go to check things so the minute you wake up in the morning so do you believe that [TS]

00:10:40   when you have to check first thing in the morning news now on on the Do Not Disturb. [TS]

00:10:47   I have two little minor minor observations to treat It's a follow up. [TS]

00:10:53   One is remember I said I think it would be you shouldn't be contacting people between say I said nine I am [TS]

00:11:00   but I know it was earlier for most people like maybe around seven for normal people. [TS]

00:11:05   Right right and I live in a fairy land. [TS]

00:11:07   Yeah I don't get out of bed until nine [TS]

00:11:08   and I believe is at about ten o'clock at night that was just me that was just what I said felt right [TS]

00:11:15   and everyone has different opinions right. [TS]

00:11:18   I have actually started using my DO NOT DISTURB is bit of an experiment really [TS]

00:11:23   and you know I found really interesting what the defaults are seven and ten seven I am [TS]

00:11:29   and ten pm Now what is this saying [TS]

00:11:32   when a big company like Apple has even said you know people don't really want to be disturbed between seven [TS]

00:11:38   and ten so that's what will make that to folks like this is just making me think even more that there are appropriate [TS]

00:11:45   times to be contacting to the point where they've even set them is that the folks are not sure what point you're trying [TS]

00:11:50   to make it they have to have some. Sometimes as the starting and end times to show people how it works. [TS]

00:11:55   This is tacit acknowledgement that people don't want to be disturbed between these times. [TS]

00:12:00   Anyway let me come up to my side let me come on to my second point I don't get bogged down but you took a step again. [TS]

00:12:05   OK but I have been doing a bit of a survey amongst grownups who I work with and all of them to a man [TS]

00:12:12   and a woman have said I would never send a text message to anyone outside of those hours. [TS]

00:12:19   OK now I have knowledge maybe I'm moving in different circles to our listenership Maybe [TS]

00:12:24   but can I just give one piece of advice this is just a piece of advice from your old boring uncle Brady. [TS]

00:12:31   Although he young people who think I'm some dinosaur and I need to get with the times I can live with that. [TS]

00:12:37   Well I don't mind what you think about me but just let me give you this piece of advice as you go into the world [TS]

00:12:43   and you try to get jobs and you try to make a good impression in life. [TS]

00:12:47   If some distinguished person some professor or your university lecturer or you're trying to do a business deal [TS]

00:12:54   and some chief executive gives you his or her business card and says Call Me Maybe we should do business. [TS]

00:13:00   Just take this one piece of advice no matter what you think about who has the onus [TS]

00:13:05   and the responsibility that putting on Do Not Disturb. No matter what you think or who you think is right. [TS]

00:13:11   Don't send them a text message or two in the morning saying have you mapped my assignment. [TS]

00:13:16   Do you want to make this purchase. Do you want to give me a job. [TS]

00:13:19   Don't send that at two AM because maybe you will wake them up and maybe you will upset them and it's all well [TS]

00:13:26   and good for you to then smugly say well you should have had to do not disturb sign on. [TS]

00:13:30   But there's only going to be one loser in this scenario and that lose it will be you. [TS]

00:13:35   I'm I'm going to second your advice there I say that the there's an excellent piece of advice free dating so as a good [TS]

00:13:44   friend destination from Smarter Every day has been a bit of a campaign about freebooting [TS]

00:13:49   and made an excellent youtube video about the problem it is definitely worth watching a couple of other people have [TS]

00:13:56   also made videos about articles have been written. It sort of has. Been getting a lot of talk in the last week or two. [TS]

00:14:02   Started by destines little campaign and destine chose to use the word free dating and the word is catching on [TS]

00:14:10   and I think this ends the debate. Firstly I have freebooting versus you checking I mean clearly I have won this now. [TS]

00:14:17   Well I mean you know I I still think that the jacking is a superior word. [TS]

00:14:24   However I will acknowledge that you have won this war. [TS]

00:14:29   I have lost enough individual battles that you have won the war [TS]

00:14:34   and it's time to enter the the reconstruction phase of of this you know a freebooting era into the fray you think yeah [TS]

00:14:43   yeah I know I am willing to to lay down arms and back freebooting as the clear winner at this stage though [TS]

00:14:53   and yet still no fault of your own [TS]

00:14:56   and you have snatched victory from me because I've been reading all these articles about. [TS]

00:15:03   And all these people are saying in the articles by the way in case you're wondering about the term freebooting it was [TS]

00:15:08   coined by C T P Graham Brady Haran on their podcast hello internet. [TS]

00:15:12   So not only are you being Koch credited for it you're getting top billing. Yes for something you opposed. [TS]

00:15:19   Yes I should not be co credited at all and we're going to be credited should not be top billing. [TS]

00:15:27   I have noted this as well and it is terribly unfair to you. [TS]

00:15:32   Also frustrating for me because you know I was trying to I mean we're moving past that [TS]

00:15:37   but I just like to point out that jacking much better than it was when I was Dynaco says as time marches on [TS]

00:15:44   and you know in a thousand years as sort of history gets condensed more [TS]

00:15:47   and more it's just going to be you who coined it. [TS]

00:15:50   Yes because in a thousand years people will definitely remember that's that's I often think of all the words I speak [TS]

00:15:56   them and I remember the person who coined that word. Yes kids. According the stuff is very important. [TS]

00:16:01   Anyway I'm sorry I did not want to snatch victory from you in this way it is kind of funny [TS]

00:16:07   but I also I know your frustration you have coined a word you should totally get all the credit for it [TS]

00:16:13   but you are not you are getting sometimes half the credit sometimes less than half a crown. [TS]

00:16:17   Well I kind of are you going to do it anyway I didn't because it was a work for something else I can't be today I don't [TS]

00:16:23   know I don't think so. [TS]

00:16:24   You reappropriated and I really missed it I asked you repurposed an old word [TS]

00:16:29   and that I think that that counts as creation in the field of linguistics you're going to use this old word in a new [TS]

00:16:35   way. You are one hundred percent the creator of everything. Do you know why I won this by the way. [TS]

00:16:41   Well it's not because it's a spear your word so I'm kind of curious did you pay Destine. [TS]

00:16:45   No pain just enough and I did not pay this and I think you want to because free boot is alliterative with Facebook [TS]

00:16:51   and his title was Facebook freebooting now he was using free booting before Facebook became the big do you know what do [TS]

00:16:58   you want me to tell you why one would not. [TS]

00:17:00   I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt I would very much like to know why you won this war. [TS]

00:17:04   I won because it is just a word people prefer to say it is just like it just feels nicer in your mouth. [TS]

00:17:12   It does its mouth feel like food yes. [TS]

00:17:17   It's just it's just a it's just a fun pleasant thing to say and it just takes all the boxes. [TS]

00:17:22   It's got the right amount of niceness it's got the right amount of sounding like a bad thing it's it just works [TS]

00:17:29   and I'm not claiming any genius here I just I was just Googling you know words for piracy and I saw that one [TS]

00:17:34   and I liked it you know I didn't I didn't sit there for years [TS]

00:17:37   and come up with a master strike it was just blind luck but that's what won because people just like saying it well. [TS]

00:17:45   Victory to you. [TS]

00:17:46   So we spoke about Syria in the last podcast which is another podcast of course we won't go into what is again [TS]

00:17:53   but we did do it at the end of our podcast [TS]

00:17:56   and we said before before we talk about everyone we get a bit of a spoiler alert. He said we're about to talk about it. [TS]

00:18:01   Pause Now if you want to go and have a listen to this at twelve. [TS]

00:18:06   Yes before we ruin it for you I have to say I have been pleasantly surprised [TS]

00:18:11   and slightly shocked by the number of people who have sent us messages saying why in fact I did pause your podcast [TS]

00:18:19   and I listened to twelve hours of cereal and then came back [TS]

00:18:24   and unpause the podcast to listen to the rest of the discussion. [TS]

00:18:27   That's what we're doing in one that you know those are those are in ten cents I guess that they really want to get to [TS]

00:18:34   the second half of what we had to say about it which all of this just goes to reconfirm my theory that cereal is not [TS]

00:18:44   bringing an audience to us in the podcasting world we are bringing an audience to cereal. [TS]

00:18:50   We've made that show where the kingmakers after the fact I was surprised [TS]

00:18:56   and impressed by how many people genuinely didn't stop and listen to the whole thing. [TS]

00:18:59   I figured there would be zero people who would do that. [TS]

00:19:02   People who had listened with listen to the rest of the show people who hadn't would just stop there [TS]

00:19:06   but I was very clearly wrong about that. You're out of touch you're out of touch with the fence. I am I am. [TS]

00:19:13   Old man like you are just a pair of crotchety old men complaining from the size of a theater. [TS]

00:19:18   That's what we are the other small point about Syria which I did quite enjoy from the feedback was the number of people [TS]

00:19:25   who were unsure whether it was real [TS]

00:19:28   or the few people who got entirely to the end of the cereal pod cast never realizing that it was a real life event I [TS]

00:19:36   think that people must have had quite an interesting experience listening to that thing thinking it was fictional the [TS]

00:19:42   whole time [TS]

00:19:43   and then discovering at the end oh these are real people that I've been listening to someone's real life there's really [TS]

00:19:49   a guy in prison right now. This isn't a fictional story at all. [TS]

00:19:52   I can't quite imagine what that experience would be like and it sounds ridiculous at first but I did again. [TS]

00:20:00   I went back and kind of listen to the beginning part of cereal [TS]

00:20:02   and there's no point where Sarah Canuck says this is a true story. [TS]

00:20:07   They just they just jump right in and so I can totally see that someone could listen [TS]

00:20:11   and think it was fiction the entire time. [TS]

00:20:14   So anyway I just thought that was that was an interesting point about just how different people's experiences can [TS]

00:20:18   sometimes be. It's like the War Of The Worlds radio broadcast in reverse. [TS]

00:20:23   Yes I think that for a second is course for Horace but yes it is it is a war of the Worlds radio broadcast in reverse. [TS]

00:20:31   I imagine what it must be like watching like Star Wars the sun with one of those people like you sit through the [TS]

00:20:36   trilogy [TS]

00:20:36   and they're just like oh my goodness I never even need to stuff happened a long time because that's even worse because [TS]

00:20:42   they do give you a plausible reason why did they take. [TS]

00:20:47   There were there waiting for the other waiting for the Droid civil civil rights movement. [TS]

00:20:51   Part of that part of history that we will have you been following the weather in your back in your home state. [TS]

00:20:59   I dimly aware that there was some sort of disappointing snow pocalypse in in America it seems like there are in New [TS]

00:21:08   England New York region. [TS]

00:21:09   Every time I follow these stories there seems to be this pressure on news organizations [TS]

00:21:17   and the weather people to introduce a new form of weather that you haven't heard of before [TS]

00:21:23   and I know this isn't new this was just new to me [TS]

00:21:25   but this was one of the trendy ones I was talking about what you mean to me [TS]

00:21:28   and I mean a new word like snow pocalypse you mean a new kind of weather even a new kind of with our own you like the [TS]

00:21:34   raining frogs and I would hope. [TS]

00:21:36   Well you know there's these polar vortex isn't the one the one that I learned about a few days ago. [TS]

00:21:41   I know this is not new but it was new to me [TS]

00:21:43   and it's been getting we would have it this time is thunder snow thunder snow thunder snow. That sounds pretty awesome. [TS]

00:21:51   I don't know what it is but I think I want some thunder snow. [TS]

00:21:54   It's it's thunder during snow because normally you don't get funded during snow or when snow is falling [TS]

00:21:59   but that you do when. It's thunder snow. I've never experienced under snow. [TS]

00:22:03   I would like to it's a rare thing but I like thunderstorms. I like snow. [TS]

00:22:08   Thunder snow sounds like a really great done just so you know how many people will get here. [TS]

00:22:15   So that's one for the Thunder Cats fans I'm guessing you're probably worth on tickets fan getting I was [TS]

00:22:21   or wasn't wasn't I remember Thundercat. [TS]

00:22:23   Well happy you didn't get my little fun tickets reference [TS]

00:22:26   when I sang a little bit somewhere I just said I wonder how many people will get that I got that I carefully said I [TS]

00:22:32   didn't get I don't I don't think you're listening [TS]

00:22:35   and distracted my feeling I'm distracted by the number of icons on my screen I really need to clean up of this desktop. [TS]

00:22:42   So basically I fill up the whole screen and then I stuck that phenomenon where like it goes back to the stuff [TS]

00:22:48   and it always piles up on one icon like a thousand high or deep on deep into one of those [TS]

00:22:55   and I don't see how many icons you have an interest I don't think we should talk about it. [TS]

00:23:01   I want to I want to know because I couldn't even tell you if you just open up finder and go to your desktop [TS]

00:23:07   and underline and it'll say how many items. [TS]

00:23:09   Well I could tell you I just don't want to tell you know that I have a lot I want to know now. [TS]

00:23:14   OK I'm going to find out. Tell me what would what number would be acceptable to you. [TS]

00:23:19   Before I tell you the number that is acceptable is the number at which it doesn't start piling up. [TS]

00:23:27   OK So I actually I quite like icons piling up on the desktop [TS]

00:23:31   and I use that very intentionally as in projects that I am currently working on I like to save on the desktop even [TS]

00:23:37   though people would imagine me as the kind of guy who has no icons ever. [TS]

00:23:41   Yeah I think it's useful because it gives you a sense of how much stuff I'm working on at the moment [TS]

00:23:47   and you have the things that you're working on right now and then [TS]

00:23:49   when I'm done with that project it's like oh this is very nice I can gather up all these icons and file them away. [TS]

00:23:54   So this is why it depends on your screen size because if you're working on you know a tiny you know. [TS]

00:24:00   Whatever is the smallest Macs that they make the tiny screens. [TS]

00:24:04   Well I don't know maybe you can have four icons on there before you die I want to Big Macs I reckon you could probably [TS]

00:24:09   get in the two hundred S. [TS]

00:24:11   Placed on the M on the like the twenty seven inch IMAX [TS]

00:24:15   and I'm looking right now I have twenty four icons on my desktop. I have five hundred twenty odd miles off. [TS]

00:24:26   I don't even I didn't even hear that. I just heard five hundred and I just I think I just blanked out. [TS]

00:24:34   I said I have five hundred twenty nine more than five hundred twenty nine more. But in my defense I have no defense. [TS]

00:24:46   If this is like your email you've got you've always got some story about it's a combination of my work flow which lends [TS]

00:24:52   itself to a fast accumulation of cons [TS]

00:24:55   and my procrastination which oh so very much lends itself to a fast accumulation of accounts so I kind of I know [TS]

00:25:02   when I'm done. Now let me ask you what are you doing. [TS]

00:25:06   I mean how do you I don't know what I'm doing I just said that I have no idea. [TS]

00:25:09   Don't ask me that if you have five hundred I like when you. [TS]

00:25:12   OK I guess here's the question when you want to find something you saved on your desktop What do you do. [TS]

00:25:18   I mean it's no longer. [TS]

00:25:22   Like basically every few weeks I stood the test of clean up [TS]

00:25:25   and everything goes to the bin goes where it goes to the foreign aid to go to and I haven't done that in a while [TS]

00:25:31   and obviously you haven't done that in a while. [TS]

00:25:35   Was funny to find what I want is going to find and go to desktop and I look at the top twenty [TS]

00:25:40   or so items there because they're always the ones I'm working with and I'll get anything. OK so you're having it. [TS]

00:25:46   You're having it sort by last modified or last opened or something so yeah OK that is not actually a crazy system [TS]

00:25:53   but just having folders sorted by most recently modified isn't isn't the worst. Usually it does. [TS]

00:26:00   Give naturally sort into what am I working on at the moment I don't know how on earth you can look at a screen with [TS]

00:26:06   that many icons [TS]

00:26:07   and not just well because I don't see any time I see it as what I'm doing the podcast with because I always have all [TS]

00:26:12   these applications open [TS]

00:26:14   and like the desktops hidden hidden by all the stuff of you know distributed around the screen so it just kind of it's [TS]

00:26:21   never really very in my face. It's interesting to hear other people work. [TS]

00:26:25   It is like I see my desktop all the time is the exact reverse situation for me where [TS]

00:26:32   when we're running the podcast I have four windows open [TS]

00:26:36   and this is the only time where one of the very few times really where the whole screen is taken up [TS]

00:26:41   and I don't see the desktop even marginally on the opposite fatso [TS]

00:26:45   and the rest of my time at the very least I can see that whatever the icons are at the rightmost side of the screen [TS]

00:26:53   only ninety percent of the time I'm editing with Avid or using Photoshop [TS]

00:26:57   and they're taking up the entire screen surface over you the desktop is just another folder. [TS]

00:27:01   It's just that it it happens to make your desktop look hideous if you look at it [TS]

00:27:06   but if your workflow means you're never looking at it. [TS]

00:27:08   Yeah I mean yeah pretty much that is that is overstating the case and I do see it more than just making it sound [TS]

00:27:15   but I think it's not an unfair characterization. [TS]

00:27:20   Interesting interesting and strange I don't know how we got off on this [TS]

00:27:23   but yeah five hundred something that is a lot though that we feel very uncomfortable I would feel in a state of anxiety [TS]

00:27:31   if I had that many icons on my desktop. I'm sure you would have to clean that up. [TS]

00:27:35   So one of the reasons I have been busy is a cult member which episode of hello internet it was [TS]

00:27:41   but it was many many moons ago that I mentioned that I went to Vietnam with my dad. [TS]

00:27:47   This was for this might have been before we even made any of them live forever ago that is invariant stuff so I went to [TS]

00:27:54   Vietnam with my dad my dad was a soldier in the Vietnam War and I went to just have an experience with him and say wow. [TS]

00:28:00   Where all the stuff went down basically. [TS]

00:28:02   But I did film some stuff with him at his request with the intent of making some videos [TS]

00:28:07   and I said on the podcast of you know when when the videos go up I'll let everyone know and they can have a look [TS]

00:28:14   and then it kind of went on the backburner a bit until my poor are getting him out of me the other day [TS]

00:28:19   and said Can I at least to see some of the footage so I was like call me on the bed son. [TS]

00:28:27   There were other reasons he wanted to see professional reasons [TS]

00:28:30   but anyway so I said Man I gotta get my act together so I have edited the first couple in the first main video [TS]

00:28:37   and if people are so inclined they can now watch it you can watch my dad telling an amazing story about something that [TS]

00:28:43   happened to him during the Vietnam War that we filmed at the spot that I happened to have a dog saved his life. [TS]

00:28:49   While you were talking of course looking it up [TS]

00:28:52   and you for the first reference like confined to your dad which I think is when we discussed it is. [TS]

00:28:58   Episode number four broadcast February eighteenth twenty fourteen feedback on that matter that was our first episode [TS]

00:29:07   that was post the show going live is when you mentioned this. [TS]

00:29:11   Well it's almost a year almost a year anniversary by the time this thing goes up. Wow. [TS]

00:29:16   But in that episode you said that your dad was a great storyteller [TS]

00:29:19   and I have to say that is exactly what the video bears out ages [TS]

00:29:23   and he's he's very engaging in the way he talks about what the situation was with him [TS]

00:29:28   and his dog on that day so I would recommend people go check it out it's a good video [TS]

00:29:32   and you get to see Brady's dad which is interesting. [TS]

00:29:35   I will be making some more because we filmed a few other things that story's kind of a showcase for May [TS]

00:29:40   but he did tell me some other interesting stories so there are more coming hopefully at a faster production so I [TS]

00:29:46   couldn't that one about than like one. [TS]

00:29:49   Yeah that's like that's like Greystone production sucker that is learning for me. Hello Internet. [TS]

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00:30:12   But if I was going to do something like a podcast I needed to learn how to use a professional tool otherwise it was [TS]

00:30:17   going to take me just forever. Basically I needed to learn a Logic Pro X. [TS]

00:30:23   and I spent a huge amount of time searching the web for tutorials [TS]

00:30:28   and just came up with very very little that was of any use or any quality. [TS]

00:30:34   But then I heard an advertisement on a podcast and I knew what to do. [TS]

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00:31:27   joining a course on Logic Pro X. [TS]

00:31:29   and You just want to find out something about the mixer you can search for every time that the person has used the word [TS]

00:31:34   mixer in the course and if you're also impatient you don't have to watch it at one X. You can watch it at two X. [TS]

00:31:41   Which is very helpful if you think the narrator is talking just a little too slow for your liking. [TS]

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00:32:22   My thanks on several levels to Lynda dot com for sponsoring this week's show so I showed you a video a short time ago [TS]

00:32:30   that I found interesting. We love talking about planes in airports on the show I think. [TS]

00:32:35   Other than You Tube In fact I was going to say I was a new issue [TS]

00:32:38   but most commonly discussed topic that I suspect we talk about planes in a smaller group. [TS]

00:32:44   Yeah I mean it's funny because we both make a living that You Tube [TS]

00:32:48   and You Tube is technically in the description of the podcast [TS]

00:32:51   but I'm not sure how many minutes of the podcast we have actually spent discussing anything at You Tube This is really [TS]

00:32:57   an aviation product so if I were shown as this is to do is to each videos no this is an aviation. [TS]

00:33:05   Aviation [TS]

00:33:06   and make which is that what it is I still have I still have the podcast sorted under education in the i Tunes Store [TS]

00:33:14   which is just ridiculous [TS]

00:33:16   but none of the other categories even remotely fit so I don't think they have an aviation section either. [TS]

00:33:21   What does the cost what section does that have us categorized our entire culture of something out [TS]

00:33:26   when you meet them in that oh well of course we are in two sections because we are in the best pod casts of twenty [TS]

00:33:34   fourteen of course of course we are. [TS]

00:33:36   Yes yes we are also in the culture section so I don't think of myself as a coach a person particularly I think if your [TS]

00:33:43   kind of cultured you know in a way that applies neither of us [TS]

00:33:46   but the bigger issue is that this there is no place to put it another i Tunes [TS]

00:33:50   nor overcast has a to do stalking section which we would dominate we could crush that section. [TS]

00:33:57   Well I don't know that there'd be a few others. So anyway I sent you this link to a report from N.B.C. [TS]

00:34:06   News which was about Portland airport ripping up its carpet right because it's outdated I don't know what reason this [TS]

00:34:15   just big time. [TS]

00:34:16   Note that it's got this unusual design which apparently is quite popular with the people of Poland one of those we call [TS]

00:34:23   Portlanders Portlandia nds only all and correct them in the middle. [TS]

00:34:28   Whatever their code apparently they like their carpets [TS]

00:34:31   and lots of them have been going to the airport for like a final picture of Sophie [TS]

00:34:34   but this carpet before it gets ripped up. [TS]

00:34:37   I actually watched you watching this report because we were on Skype [TS]

00:34:41   and I said Have a look at this what do you think [TS]

00:34:42   and I was kind of watching your reaction now to work with I would say a combination of. Or dismissive and unimpressed. [TS]

00:34:57   Yet mildly engaged in a macabre kind of way. [TS]

00:35:03   I think you just disappointed by the fact it was a story a news story [TS]

00:35:08   but tell you tell me instead of me instead of me reading your emotions when you tell me what you thought of. [TS]

00:35:12   I understand the people get connected with something [TS]

00:35:15   but they they open the story by talking about how this this carpet is old for decades old [TS]

00:35:20   and instantly I feel like I can smell through the screen like moldy carpets [TS]

00:35:25   and then I'm watching a story about people who are really attached to this like old gross thing [TS]

00:35:29   and you know you have to do some wild speculation about what my thoughts would be if I was in charge of the Portland [TS]

00:35:34   Airport. If you know what this is gone. Goodbye stinky old carpet. [TS]

00:35:39   We're just getting rid of it [TS]

00:35:40   and there are people going to test people don't like change you know is that whatever they want to go in they take a [TS]

00:35:44   picture of themselves with the carpet from the airport but I don't think there should be carpets in airports at all. [TS]

00:35:49   This is one of my complaints with the D.C. Airport which has carpet which is disgusting. [TS]

00:35:53   You should have you should have no carpet on the floors in airports in highly trafficked areas where lots of people go. [TS]

00:36:00   I barely believe in carpets in a personal house. Carpets are just gross. So that's my thought on that. [TS]

00:36:07   I think couples have their place in airports but I see your point [TS]

00:36:11   and I'm not a massive carpet fan either so I did have a lot of unanswered questions from this report. [TS]

00:36:17   Not surprisingly for a ninety second T.V. [TS]

00:36:19   News report I couldn't help [TS]

00:36:21   but notice it was the same reporter who I wrote my little article about where I absolutely hated the thing that they [TS]

00:36:26   wrote about the coin that the US Mint was going to make that was worth a trillion dollars. [TS]

00:36:32   Like I recognise this guy that's the same guy from his other worthless news report. Perfect anyway. [TS]

00:36:38   Sorry didn't mean to go off on people do you get attached to carpets [TS]

00:36:41   and things that their home airport on are like that. [TS]

00:36:43   I notice my my brother in the war posts a lot of pictures to Facebook of the carpet he's in Singapore [TS]

00:36:48   and he posts a lot of pictures of the carpet carpets they have different patterns of Singapore of Singapore carpet so [TS]

00:36:54   he's really into them it makes him feel really nostalgic and it's something he really likes at Singapore airport. [TS]

00:36:59   So I see like the story resonated with me for that reason that I didn't watch [TS]

00:37:04   and think What a bunch of weirdos who would like the carpet because my brother in law is not a weirdo. [TS]

00:37:08   And he really likes the company. His airport I had I didn't say weirdos. [TS]

00:37:12   It just you know it's a little like some people don't want things to change they have people look at trade as widows [TS]

00:37:17   and you didn't say that [TS]

00:37:17   but these people were portrayed as widows in the report I think well the news always goes out of their way to show the [TS]

00:37:24   weirdest people they can possibly find they don't want normal people because normal people are really boring [TS]

00:37:27   and don't make a good story. [TS]

00:37:29   Yeah why don't they just replace the carpet with a fresh version with the same patent on a thing I wonder because I'm [TS]

00:37:35   sure the person in charge of the airport feel like I do that the carpets are just gross and just get rid of them [TS]

00:37:39   and replace them with tile and it'd be much nicer and easier to clean [TS]

00:37:43   but it cost a lot more money to clean a carpet than it does to clean tile floors. [TS]

00:37:47   I did my back but it may be actually the first thing I thought of [TS]

00:37:50   when they showed the carpet pattern was London Underground which is famous for having hideous patterns on their [TS]

00:37:56   underground trains as well which is also gross. [TS]

00:38:00   I think they should go the New York subway way of having just the steel interiors to their cabins that can just be [TS]

00:38:05   pressure cleaned all at once. [TS]

00:38:07   What's more sanitary and as much and I think I was trying not to think about the the seats on the line underground. [TS]

00:38:14   You just you know you can think about that too much now I can imagine that would be a struggle for you going into a [TS]

00:38:18   place on something else that was in the news this week I think it was and no doubt we are unaware of this [TS]

00:38:26   but we had one of these famous asteroid near misses. [TS]

00:38:30   Oh yeah some of the asteroid you know wondered on passed the earth [TS]

00:38:35   and I think it was about three min distances away so we're really close that's close that's close pretty close on a [TS]

00:38:42   space scale [TS]

00:38:43   and it was big it was big enough to have its own moon so it was a decent sized asteroid so it's you know if it if it [TS]

00:38:51   hit us that would be bad. So anyway I was I was reading an article about it because I was mildly interested. [TS]

00:38:58   And my wife was next to me at the time and I should say. [TS]

00:39:04   For reasons that are partly inexplicably my wife is a big fan of the film Armageddon so she's not averse to you know [TS]

00:39:12   talking asteroids and talking about asteroids hitting the earth. [TS]

00:39:15   I will defend that movie until my daughter of course of course I would like to in fact I watched it just recently [TS]

00:39:20   but I would've picked as one of my wife's favorites because she doesn't really like it. [TS]

00:39:25   Anyway so she saw me reading this article she said oh what's that about. [TS]

00:39:30   This asteroid is asteroid nearly hit the earth. Do you want to tell you any more about it now. [TS]

00:39:37   And she said why do we care why should we even care about a story about an asteroid that missed [TS]

00:39:41   and I was like well you know it's good to know about them because one day they'll be you know one day it will be one [TS]

00:39:45   that doesn't make sense and that's a big do. [TS]

00:39:48   And she said well if that's going to happen if they find one it's going to hit the earth. I don't want to know. [TS]

00:39:55   I hope they don't tell us. And I if I'm. [TS]

00:40:00   We had a little discussion about that and I think that's quite interesting and I wondered I wonder what C.D.P. [TS]

00:40:04   Gray's position on this is if they found an asteroid that was definitely going to you know it's going to be a global [TS]

00:40:11   killer or whatever they call in and again if they found a you know when I was going to obliterate us [TS]

00:40:16   and there's nothing they could do because you know I get in the side there probably is nothing I can do about [TS]

00:40:20   when that big. Would you want to know if they if they you know if it's a week away or something. [TS]

00:40:26   Well first I would put money on the table and I would bet that you would not want to know am I right. [TS]

00:40:36   My instinctive answer is that I would want to know really. Yes interesting. [TS]

00:40:42   Yeah that is quite frankly why would you want to know I well I just lost money here I mean I really I lost my [TS]

00:40:49   theoretical money but I would have been certain enough to bet on that. [TS]

00:40:51   Can I have a point on the scoreboard you know the theoretical scoreboard of rightness [TS]

00:40:55   and wrongness can I have a point I don't think this I don't think that works for our opinions of stuff it's about [TS]

00:41:01   developing facts yet about facts. [TS]

00:41:04   Well that and the fact is that you so I would think one thing and I thought the other so you have actually incorrect. [TS]

00:41:10   Yes technically I am factually incorrect we are not going to count that. [TS]

00:41:14   OK I'm genuinely surprised why would you want to know I'm fun. [TS]

00:41:17   Let me try [TS]

00:41:18   and put it into words I kind of it's not something I'm going to have because I'm a kind of interest in you know death [TS]

00:41:26   hence I'm a kind of interest. [TS]

00:41:30   You know as evidenced by plane crash caller so I don't know I feel like if I had a finite amount of time left I'd want [TS]

00:41:41   to do things I know there's no point rushing away a look at my affairs in order. [TS]

00:41:46   If the planets about to be obliterated [TS]

00:41:47   but Right right I feel like you know I would want to get caught with my pants down. [TS]

00:41:52   I'd want to have done a few things that I haven't done and I'd want to be ready. I want to you know one. [TS]

00:42:00   Oh I see I see the benefit of not seeing it coming or you know I see the benefit of just dying in your sleep [TS]

00:42:05   and not having the anxiety [TS]

00:42:07   and the worries that come with that because no doubt they overcome everything that I think I'm just I want to know kind [TS]

00:42:14   of. [TS]

00:42:16   It's like it's like maybe it's like meeting more into the news than I'm just a guy that wants to know stuff I don't [TS]

00:42:22   like not knowing [TS]

00:42:23   and you're quite happy not knowing he would presumably you would not want to know Are you crazy of course I'd want to [TS]

00:42:29   know you would want to know. [TS]

00:42:30   Yes well I just lost a point [TS]

00:42:31   and I think that even if I had awarded you a point you just lost it now of course I would want to know why. [TS]

00:42:38   Well ideally Ideally I would want to be the only one who knows if I could arrange it in such a way that I'm going to be [TS]

00:42:47   the only person you knew that would be perfect. [TS]

00:42:49   Yeah I can see why you'd want to be the only one because of the inevitable consequences of everyone in the world [TS]

00:42:54   knowing right just. But that aside why would you want to know like if you've got a wake. [TS]

00:43:00   What are you going to what you want to do. [TS]

00:43:02   Well it's the same thing if I if I have a week it feels like well I will not work on the video that's been frustrating. [TS]

00:43:09   Just drop that past two weeks of incredibly frustrating experience that you only have a week of life left. [TS]

00:43:15   I'm not going to do this I'm not going to finish that there's no point finishing this what about that week of anxiety [TS]

00:43:19   of you know everything's going to be over [TS]

00:43:21   and I would feel no anxiety in this situation you would soon know anxiety if an asteroid was about to smash into our [TS]

00:43:28   plan [TS]

00:43:28   and kill everyone awake you would be completely relaxed about relaxed implies belike Oh asteroid no asteroid it's indifferent [TS]

00:43:35   to me that's not the case at all. I would rather there be no asteroid than there be an asteroid. [TS]

00:43:39   Yeah [TS]

00:43:39   but if if I knew for certain that the world was going to end in a week I would not feel anxiety about this because especially [TS]

00:43:48   if it's one of these situations where it's like we just don't have a chance. [TS]

00:43:51   There's the asteroid we can't launch a space program or anything. [TS]

00:43:55   The anxiety would be under a circumstance where say we spot it but it's a year away. [TS]

00:44:00   Way we're ninety nine percent certain it's going to hit and maybe we can pull a Hail Mary here [TS]

00:44:05   and get this thing off our path and like that's an anxious situation because the outcome is uncertain. [TS]

00:44:11   And then you have to deal with a large amount of time until the uncertainty is resolved that's no good [TS]

00:44:16   but if it was if it was like a done deal. Well you know there's nothing I can do about it. [TS]

00:44:20   So it is not a thing to be anxious about. That's crazy. That's not crazy that's completely reasonable. OK here it is. [TS]

00:44:29   Even if you don't even if you don't think that you could feel the way that I feel don't you agree that that position is [TS]

00:44:35   reasonable. I think it would be reasonable if you were a robot. [TS]

00:44:40   You know it would be reasonable if you were not a human who is a bit afraid of dying. [TS]

00:44:46   Like if you have if you have no fear of death OK that's completely reasonable. [TS]

00:44:51   If you have a fear of death and what happens next or not next to it just don't want to die because. [TS]

00:44:57   Because you just like being alive. I think it would be natural to be very anxious in that way. [TS]

00:45:02   I very much like being alive and I can say that I have no fear of death. I have a fear about how I might die. [TS]

00:45:13   How do you for the way you phrase of how you would do well because you can die in numerous horrific ways. Right. [TS]

00:45:20   People can and do daily die in horrible horrible ways. [TS]

00:45:25   Yes Well that's right that's not how I would like my last moments to be you know in the worst agony I have ever [TS]

00:45:34   experienced. [TS]

00:45:35   So that's why I can feel like I am I am concerned about how I would die but the dead part being dead is easy [TS]

00:45:42   and I don't think being dead is something to be anxious about. [TS]

00:45:45   Do you think going out with everyone else on earth in a huge asteroid impact would be a good way to go. [TS]

00:45:52   Do you think of all the of all the different ways to stop you know normally it's a very personal thing. [TS]

00:45:57   Do you think that would be a good one not just let's just go together. [TS]

00:46:00   Blaze of Glory and the whole planet go in this catastrophic [TS]

00:46:03   or some space collision how would you rate that on the thinking of the ways that you would [TS]

00:46:09   or would not like to leave your mortal coil. I would rank pretty low I would not want that to be. [TS]

00:46:15   That would not be like my top ten ways to go I love to take everybody with me take [TS]

00:46:20   and then with the oldest one it would kind of appealed to me in a way. [TS]

00:46:23   Now this whole this holds no appeal to me to have some kind of blaze of glory for the whole species just because I'm [TS]

00:46:30   going to die. [TS]

00:46:31   That's terrible I think you'd have to be some kind of well I mean maybe this is what you want [TS]

00:46:35   but I feel you have to be some kind of amazing narcissist to think that would be an awesome guy to have the whole world [TS]

00:46:42   go with you in a blaze of glory. [TS]

00:46:45   Now and how I will have to do is that [TS]

00:46:47   when you think you think I'm going to go away I don't know it because there are other people you know kicking around on [TS]

00:46:53   the earth who are kind of like and I want them to you know I don't want them to go just because I'm gone. [TS]

00:46:59   But but we will go. So why no go holding hands but the other thing is you know I don't want humans to be wiped out. [TS]

00:47:07   Kindly we're having this conversation. [TS]

00:47:09   I got there when he said Oh no I don't want humans to be wiped out I don't want humans to be wiped out [TS]

00:47:14   but I do find something really kind of on a on a galactic scale. [TS]

00:47:19   I do find something really cool about whole planets being wiped out in collisions like I think that's really cool that [TS]

00:47:24   happens like it's really interesting that that such things happen. [TS]

00:47:31   It certainly is interesting that such huge things happen but if there are sentience beauties on those planets. [TS]

00:47:38   Boy is that a tragedy. [TS]

00:47:39   That's always that's what the poetry of isn't it amazing that you know that that that a sentience species can even [TS]

00:47:47   billions of years develop to some some pinnacle of some great place [TS]

00:47:51   and then just arbitrarily a piece of rock you know says now thanks for playing. [TS]

00:47:55   I can sort of see what you're saying but I also can't imagine anything more tragic. Yeah yeah. [TS]

00:48:00   Well that's the beauty in a tragic tragedies a beautiful thing out I'm going to go with no Shakespeare guided well from [TS]

00:48:07   it and understand that Shakespeare wrote tragedies. People like a tragedy. [TS]

00:48:12   People love a good tragedy I am a fan of tragedy in my drama I am not a fan of tragedy in the actual universe. [TS]

00:48:20   Well what do you think if the austerities found an asteroid was going to hit us they would tell us. [TS]

00:48:27   Well I mean here's the thing if I was in charge of the new I'm in charge of Greece Donia or whatever [TS]

00:48:34   and my scientific team to discover that the asteroid is on its way I would totally I would totally implement let's just [TS]

00:48:40   keep this quiet policy the uncertainty of how people how everything would go could be quite high [TS]

00:48:46   and I could imagine that would be quite disastrous. [TS]

00:48:48   I don't I don't I guess the bottom line is I would not trust other people to act in the way that I would act in the [TS]

00:48:54   final week of existence which is which is what you'll find a way Clarke is a very peaceful time is that it's not it's [TS]

00:49:02   not like you don't know my money and go crazy. [TS]

00:49:04   Well I mean who's going to take your money you spent all my money to who someone has to you know someone has to accept [TS]

00:49:09   your money you don't have it if you're the only one who knows. [TS]

00:49:12   Presumably your final we could be very decadent because you would just obviously exhaust your bank account. Yeah. [TS]

00:49:19   I'm not I think it would be it would be relatively relaxed I think I would probably go someplace just like relaxing [TS]

00:49:26   with my loved ones [TS]

00:49:28   and you know that would be that I would go out it's like I have to spend all this money right now on all the things [TS]

00:49:35   that I can possibly think of. [TS]

00:49:37   Would you call me or say anything to me I guess it depends on how well I can thank you keep the secret. [TS]

00:49:47   But even if you were going to tell me would you like just call up and say you know you're a nice guy [TS]

00:49:51   and I enjoy doing the podcast with you but I think that would make me suspicious. [TS]

00:49:56   You'd be suspicious now that's for sure. Kind of conversation. [TS]

00:50:00   I've never called you up spontaneously ever and so if I did one day call you up [TS]

00:50:04   and just said like a Brady I just want to let you know you're like an A plus guy [TS]

00:50:08   and totally loved you in this park as with you I feel like Grace [TS]

00:50:11   or an asteroid coming back if I was dying for everyone in the world is done it would seem naturally quite this is with [TS]

00:50:20   a phone call [TS]

00:50:22   and say I did think they usually do which is ask on Twitter if anybody has any questions for us I think that we should [TS]

00:50:27   talk about and there's actually a related question here which is why I ask you this first this is from Twitter. [TS]

00:50:33   Which of us do you think would survive longer if there was a zombie apocalypse. Maybe. [TS]

00:50:44   Yeah yeah why do you think you are. I think I would be more willing to get my hands dirty and do violent things. [TS]

00:50:55   I've been watching a lot of walking dead lately so I'm also well prepared. [TS]

00:51:00   Yes Now I know exactly where to hit him and that's a great show by the way walking dead. [TS]

00:51:05   I've never been into zombie stuff. [TS]

00:51:06   You know pedal into zombie movies and that and my wife said I want to start watching this Walking Dead [TS]

00:51:10   and I was like OK whatever. It's good if you watch it. [TS]

00:51:15   Yeah I watched it I think I think there are there are complaints to be had about the show. [TS]

00:51:20   Yeah I think it's good moments are very good. Yeah but there are some sections that are not very good. [TS]

00:51:25   Yeah that's just generally the stories are pretty good like I'm just into the people [TS]

00:51:29   and the zombies of course have become peripheral to the show. [TS]

00:51:33   But they're just like they're just like the hazards like you know they're just a generic hazard that is just always [TS]

00:51:38   there. [TS]

00:51:39   How do you think would last longer in a zombie apocalypse of the two of us there is no doubt about it that it would be [TS]

00:51:45   you who discussed previously you are hard as nails. That's true but I love hearing you say. [TS]

00:51:54   And if there was a real zombie apocalypse check it out right in there. [TS]

00:52:00   I don't need to be around for any of these whores. [TS]

00:52:02   If civilization has really gone down and it's a we need to start over time forget it. [TS]

00:52:08   You go on without me everyone is another fortune you have you going to fuck this night like I'm going to die I just [TS]

00:52:16   think kinds of artists. [TS]

00:52:17   I'm like this with plane crashes I just think I'd survive I think for some reason I just think it would be bad [TS]

00:52:22   but you know I get by the flip side of this is probably also be better for everybody if I did just take myself out as I [TS]

00:52:29   actually really would [TS]

00:52:30   but if they if for some reason I did survive the zombie apocalypse now just like I'm going to go on. [TS]

00:52:37   I always find myself siding with the more ruthless characters and situations in any kind of zombie apocalypse section. [TS]

00:52:44   We always have the good guy who wants to do the right thing [TS]

00:52:46   and then the villain you know is always portrayed as like oh look at that. [TS]

00:52:50   That Meenie had [TS]

00:52:51   but I'm often thinking like no this is a zombie apocalypse like you gotta do whatever it takes to survive. [TS]

00:52:57   I thought some people were worried about how much we were without like we were fighting in the last pod cast that [TS]

00:53:02   everyone should know we're still friends right. [TS]

00:53:05   It's OK we argue sometimes we are good friends just one of us is more informed than the other one. [TS]

00:53:10   Yes yes I am I am more informed than you are and you watch the news [TS]

00:53:17   and as Mark Twain quote goes then you are misinformed. [TS]

00:53:20   Can I just say by the way just on this topic for the for the record I don't watch [TS]

00:53:25   and devour that much news I think people have to have may now have some impression that I'm just constantly reading [TS]

00:53:31   news and not like I don't watch the T.V. News every day I watch the T.V. [TS]

00:53:34   News maybe once or twice a week if it happens to coincide with when I'm having my dinner [TS]

00:53:39   and then I'll just have a quick look at the website a few times a day and so very often I'll just look at it [TS]

00:53:44   and go well that's boring and not ready to say I'm not like this news hound who isn't devouring everything. [TS]

00:53:51   Added I'm not justifying defending anything I'm just I just want people to realize that there's a kind of perfect [TS]

00:53:55   and it leads into something I've kind of wanted to be talking about for a little bit. [TS]

00:54:00   But I think that the news conversation brought it up and what would you said fit into that. [TS]

00:54:04   I don't know a word for this. [TS]

00:54:06   I'm not going try to coin a word for it but I feel like when there's like a half life to transmission of subtlety [TS]

00:54:14   or nuance in arguments when you're trying to talk to somebody else [TS]

00:54:20   or like a conversation that gets transmitted over the Internet. [TS]

00:54:24   And so to try to explain what I mean by this if you listen to our last episode we kind of fall victim to this where we [TS]

00:54:32   start out by talking about does it make sense to follow the news [TS]

00:54:36   and even though both of us try very hard not to we end up having a conversation about whether or not the news is good [TS]

00:54:45   or is the news bad and I often find that all kinds of conversations. [TS]

00:54:51   Devolve or are they dk into this kind of argument that just ends up as a like thing is all good [TS]

00:54:58   or the thing is all bad. [TS]

00:55:00   Those arguments are rarely useful [TS]

00:55:03   or interesting was why I was shockingly frustrating to try to listen to us talk about it last time [TS]

00:55:07   and I was really angry with myself like editing the podcast [TS]

00:55:11   and I know you you said you felt like you didn't say things you wanted to say last time [TS]

00:55:17   but everything just kind of ends of devolving into a conversation about something being one hundred percent good [TS]

00:55:21   or one hundred percent bad and I think it's sort of natural in conversation. [TS]

00:55:26   But like frustrating once you tune into it as a as a pattern I mean that I mean that was pretty fundamental to our [TS]

00:55:35   different views so because your whoa it feels like your one of your main reasons for not following you is that the news [TS]

00:55:44   is not worthy of following because you think it's so poorly done. [TS]

00:55:48   I mean that's a real thread that ran through what you were saying. [TS]

00:55:51   Yeah yeah and so I think I think it's in some ways it's a necessary discussion. But yeah but what I mean is it is. [TS]

00:56:00   It's interesting then [TS]

00:56:00   when other people listen to that conversation like you said they come away with this impression that you follow the [TS]

00:56:06   news much more than you do because I think it's like this glowing bacon. [TS]

00:56:10   Right right right but I don't think that's exactly right [TS]

00:56:13   and I saw this in the conversation online people then talk about you as the defender of the perfect news [TS]

00:56:21   and then the flip happens as well as like C G P Gray knows nothing about the world [TS]

00:56:27   and think there's never been a good news broadcast ever. [TS]

00:56:31   And this is this is what I mean by like there's like a decay of subtlety as a conversation continues there between two [TS]

00:56:38   people or particularly when it gets transmitted [TS]

00:56:40   and like another example which I think is just interesting to have seen because it's taking place over such a long [TS]

00:56:46   period of time is to jump back to some of our earlier podcast we were talking about language and you know whether [TS]

00:56:52   or not language you know we had a big debate on like the worthiness of languages and some sense of foreign languages [TS]

00:56:58   and. I've had this rather narrow perspective which covered a bunch of points. [TS]

00:57:04   I don't think foreign languages should be required subjects in schools for multiple year periods of time which allows a [TS]

00:57:13   whole bunch of things. I think you know they should be optional things that people can take. [TS]

00:57:18   I'm perfectly fine with the fact that people speak for her languages [TS]

00:57:21   but I have been aware that even still on the Internet I get people yelling at me because they are of the opinion that I [TS]

00:57:28   just hate the existence of all foreign languages and this is what I mean by like this kind of decay it turns in. [TS]

00:57:35   It's like either you have to love something in its entirety or you don't. [TS]

00:57:40   And it's like it's hard to trans transmit for a long distance over time or in a conversation [TS]

00:57:47   and opinion that is in the middle. [TS]

00:57:49   I think it's also an interesting thing to keep in mind when you're hearing people talk about other people for example. [TS]

00:58:00   One of the pockets I really like to listen to is something called Intelligence Squared which is a debate podcast [TS]

00:58:07   and one of the reasons I like that. [TS]

00:58:09   Listening to that so much is because it's one of the few times I get to hear people that I don't agree with explain [TS]

00:58:18   themselves fully and I often find myself listening to that and thinking you know what you haven't changed my mind [TS]

00:58:28   but you are not nearly as crazy as other people said you were [TS]

00:58:33   or your position is not even remotely as unreasonable as I was under the impression that it was I guess this is just a [TS]

00:58:41   thing that I like I feel it's in. Especially on the Internet it's interesting to keep in mind that if the only thing. [TS]

00:58:49   If you've ever heard about somebody is what other people have said about that person. [TS]

00:58:55   That's just something to be aware of that like their their position is going to be magnified into a much more good [TS]

00:59:03   or much more bad version of what it possibly is the ironic [TS]

00:59:06   and kind of metta thing about all this is this is probably one of the biggest problems that the modern news media [TS]

00:59:11   suffers from is it's its desire for people to be polarized like a lot to be to be in Camp A or Camp A [TS]

00:59:19   and they have to pay no middle ground so it's funny that a discussion about the problems with news media has suffered [TS]

00:59:25   from the same thing. [TS]

00:59:26   One thing that came up over [TS]

00:59:27   and over again was a question about oh you need to watch the news in order to be informed as a voter. [TS]

00:59:32   Well [TS]

00:59:33   when you're watching the news if you're really watching the news how often are you learning something about the other [TS]

00:59:40   side whichever team you picked in this sports game [TS]

00:59:45   and how often are you just watching two two you haven't really confirmed that the other team is nothing [TS]

00:59:53   but one hundred percent evil and or stupid. That's the same kind of thing. Now again I'm not saying that there aren't. [TS]

01:00:00   The evil and or stupid people in the world there are lots of those [TS]

01:00:03   but it doesn't change the fact that like very often people have more nuanced opinions than other people tell you they [TS]

01:00:10   have. I ran into this just so many times first handed when I was doing my my European Union video. [TS]

01:00:17   People people might not know but they like it here in the U.K. [TS]

01:00:21   There is in particular a lot of I would say negative feelings towards the European Union. [TS]

01:00:28   Yeah it's much like it's measurable it's like on poles you can see that the U.K. People in the U.K. [TS]

01:00:34   Are always least least favorable opinions of the E.U. [TS]

01:00:37   and What I was doing research the video I came across just an enormous number of stories that seemed out rageous about [TS]

01:00:43   stuff that the E.U. [TS]

01:00:45   Wanted Britain to do or that they wouldn't allow Britain to do or whatever it was [TS]

01:00:49   and without fail I would find the stories I think boy that is just unbelievable what a great piece of information to [TS]

01:00:54   include in a video and you go in the end you search it out and you find out what the situation is [TS]

01:00:59   and you go OK there was like some kernel of truth to this but you left out all of the contingencies [TS]

01:01:06   or you left out all of the particular circumstances under which it would apply [TS]

01:01:10   and if you include all the information suddenly it's like oh this is actually quite reasonable or boring [TS]

01:01:16   and say I just like stuff just gets totally magnified where it becomes just completely. Bad and some. [TS]

01:01:21   Some story about like a health regulation gets turned into a story about how all British oil production will be halted [TS]

01:01:29   forever says you let me give you one more reason for you to follow the news [TS]

01:01:33   and because you know what you've been saying to me you're crying out for a reason. [TS]

01:01:37   Don't take this too seriously it's a bit shaky. [TS]

01:01:40   OK but here's one more reason for you to stop following the news and appeals to your statistical. [TS]

01:01:47   I'm going to postulate I'm going to put the idea out there that not following the news is one more data point that [TS]

01:01:58   suggests that maybe. [TS]

01:02:03   There are certain things that if I know that someone I want I want to judge them I won't judge them. [TS]

01:02:10   But once these data points reach a critical mass you start to think hang on maybe discuss for example if I said to you [TS]

01:02:18   I've got this friend he's like he's twenty years old. [TS]

01:02:21   He always wears a top hat everywhere he goes he wears a top hat you know you're going to be OK Maybe we'll go out [TS]

01:02:30   and I want to meet him first but there's a potential there [TS]

01:02:35   and if you meet someone who says you know I will only eat oh oh food with my right hand [TS]

01:02:39   but I will any carrots with my left hand. OK maybe there's a reason. [TS]

01:02:45   Maybe that's just quirky but I'm beginning to think it could be a waiter. [TS]

01:02:50   You learn those two facts about that same as you start and as you start finding out more [TS]

01:02:55   and more things about someone there is there are facts about someone like they're something. [TS]

01:03:00   It's a generic but there are some facts that put you either more likely to be less likely to be right [TS]

01:03:06   and I would say talk puts you in the category that carrot thing of what you're doing here is a Basie in calculation. [TS]

01:03:12   Yes And I'm saying and I'm saying if you were to take someone off the street and said I've got this friend [TS]

01:03:19   and he just never watches the news religiously never watches on T.V. [TS]

01:03:22   Never looks at a newspaper just just avoids the news if I said that about some of this might [TS]

01:03:28   and that's what he's like doesn't mean you're a weirdo. [TS]

01:03:32   But that be like OK what else can you tell me about him if he want to talk about like so I think I think you're a long [TS]

01:03:42   way from being aware and you know because I know you very well and you're completely normal [TS]

01:03:46   but what I'm saying is that is a data point that puts you on the widow spectrum I could not be less convinced by this [TS]

01:03:54   argument. Theoretical people I don't know might include this in the base of the income. [TS]

01:04:00   Elation about whether or not I'm weird this is this is totally unconvincing. [TS]

01:04:04   I was I was going to say that since we had that conversation I have been much more aware I was trying to go what you [TS]

01:04:08   know where do I actually see the news [TS]

01:04:11   and there's a couple things that I mentioned last time which of course is that you can't go on Twitter [TS]

01:04:16   or read it without coming across the news which can as well like I don't avoid the news but I don't seek it out [TS]

01:04:23   but of course I realize there's two other sort of big sources where I will see news without seeking it out. [TS]

01:04:29   And one of those is we have a subscription to The Economist in my house which might be as people it is a gift for my [TS]

01:04:37   wife she loves reading The Economist and so very often on the weekends she'll be drinking a cup of coffee [TS]

01:04:42   and sitting on the couch and reading the Economist. [TS]

01:04:45   And since I take in the mail I always see the covers of The Economist I see the headline stories and [TS]

01:04:51   when my wife reads through it occasionally she brings up something that was of interest to her that she shall mention [TS]

01:04:56   to me that maybe I'll be interested in. [TS]

01:04:58   So my I have my wife is kind of a filter and then I see the headlines on the Economist [TS]

01:05:03   and then the other place where I see the news which frankly if I could turn it off I would. [TS]

01:05:08   Is at the gym every time I go into the gym I don't know what I don't know if it's the same channel all the time [TS]

01:05:15   but they have the two huge impossible to avoid screens that just run the news all the time and. [TS]

01:05:23   I can't really hear it usually from where I am but I can see it [TS]

01:05:26   and as far as I can tell it's almost always fires groups of like images of groups of people doing something that I have [TS]

01:05:33   no idea what it is or blinky lights like sirens but I was I was watching the news [TS]

01:05:39   and I think I went to that you know since that last time I've been to the gym I don't know [TS]

01:05:43   but you know I go three times a week so whatever it is I've been five times [TS]

01:05:46   and I think I saw every single time I went in there there was an image of something on fire somewhere in the world [TS]

01:05:51   and his name boy those new people they love the fires they look so good on screen. [TS]

01:05:55   I don't think anything can burst into flames anywhere without it being covered on the news. You have got. [TS]

01:06:00   To read a book which was not recommended on inaudible I don't think of the humans you have got to read that book [TS]

01:06:06   because sometimes you talk just like the main character in that book. [TS]

01:06:10   He's an alien who comes to earth and I when I went to pull out my life. [TS]

01:06:16   So I like huge news events I will I will see them they'll be on the cover of The Economist. [TS]

01:06:20   They'll be on the new screen that when I go to the gym and you know I'll see them on the internet again. [TS]

01:06:25   I don't I don't avoid the news but I just I'm just not seeking it out. [TS]

01:06:28   I don't think he's saying oh look a group of people [TS]

01:06:30   and blinking lights on a screen counts as you devouring that news in any way whatsoever. [TS]

01:06:35   But sometimes the words are on the screen and I see something that seemed to go left and I was at the gym. [TS]

01:06:42   There were times there were some someone had flown a drone into the White House or something like I see what it is. [TS]

01:06:49   But most the time it looks like fires or groups of people being angry about something. [TS]

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01:08:46   Sure we talk about this interviewing of the oh yeah yeah this is kind of connected to this. [TS]

01:08:50   Yeah that was we had as a topic to talk about. [TS]

01:08:53   So before we start I think we should declare a conflict of interest here because Hank grain the model of brothers fame [TS]

01:09:02   in various other channels he would have to mention no doubt his business empire does sell out hello internet T. [TS]

01:09:08   Shirts along with other merchandise for both of us. Yes So we haven't an interest in Hank. [TS]

01:09:13   He's going to make us millionaires one day he better through it through the sale of T. Shirts and posters. [TS]

01:09:19   I think there's a lot for the Internet and for the world. Yes but he also sells our T. [TS]

01:09:24   Shirts and you know federal fund raising and stuff so is this conflict of interest everywhere which will declare [TS]

01:09:29   but OK But anyway let's forget about that and talk about why he's been in the news this week. [TS]

01:09:34   Hank along with two other You Tubers got a chance to interview the president the president of the United States you [TS]

01:09:41   U.S. [TS]

01:09:42   Centric person you listen after the you know the only time you need to specify who the president is is if you're not [TS]

01:09:49   talking about the president of the United States you don't need to say the president of the United States. [TS]

01:09:55   I'm terribly sorry that we're not talking about the president of Australia. [TS]

01:10:00   There is no president of Australia and they didn't know that I'm very sorry brainy president of Burundi. [TS]

01:10:08   Apparently has a president so don't you follow the news about Brandy its a whole country. [TS]

01:10:12   Yeah well you know maybe I should he should. [TS]

01:10:15   Yeah well I felt that that is a that's a gap in my knowledge of either [TS]

01:10:19   or logic routines if you follow the news about to Djibouti. [TS]

01:10:22   I get the good times to live if you even know what digit beauty is yeah yeah yeah. [TS]

01:10:28   Describe to me where did you go to yours. [TS]

01:10:30   It is is actually on earth right in the path of an asteroid I can tell you about. [TS]

01:10:36   I'm disappointed that you don't follow politics everywhere in the world. I'm sorry. [TS]

01:10:40   Important things going on and did you pretty so you are saying hang grain [TS]

01:10:43   and to either you just got to interview the president of Yes Apparently now. [TS]

01:10:49   If United States one no one of a very recent rash of left handed presidents. [TS]

01:10:56   Oh yeah for government you're left handed as a man and I did not know he was left handed. [TS]

01:11:00   Well you would have if you saw him signing an autograph [TS]

01:11:02   or Hank on that video because he signed it with his left hand [TS]

01:11:05   when he signed that picture if I think you know I don't divide people into left [TS]

01:11:08   and right handers we're just we're all just all people. I totally to really into left handedness. [TS]

01:11:14   Anyway let's get let's get back on track here. Hank wrote an article about the experience called holy. [TS]

01:11:22   I interviewed the president. [TS]

01:11:24   Yes which I can't say because I has a swear word and that's what I was reading the title there. [TS]

01:11:28   Thank you I was doing you a little favor it was a really good article by Hank. [TS]

01:11:31   There was a lot of talk about some of these youtube is ensuring the president and a lot of you know stuff going on [TS]

01:11:36   and I think the article cut through a lot of the rubbish [TS]

01:11:39   and got to the nub of what this was really about which is what I found interesting. [TS]

01:11:44   It kind of talks about the relationship between the mainstream media [TS]

01:11:48   and You Tube One of the main things that Hank is talking about is is how the big news organizations all be little this [TS]

01:11:59   one. [TS]

01:12:00   One of the interviewers is known for doing stunts on You Tube So the one that I'm most aware of was the cinnamon [TS]

01:12:06   challenge that she did a while ago did you see this going around I did not know. [TS]

01:12:10   They're pretty funny videos [TS]

01:12:12   but the challenge is basically to put a whole bunch of cinnamon in your mouth at once like this big spoonful of [TS]

01:12:17   cinnamon and it's another thing that you would think would be easy [TS]

01:12:20   but you have this her wrist quickly violent reaction against all of the sentiment [TS]

01:12:24   and people just end up spitting it out all over the camera. [TS]

01:12:28   But so of course the news media would open the segment about these are the people who interview the president [TS]

01:12:36   and then show the videos of her doing something ridiculous. [TS]

01:12:39   Yeah yeah and in a way to try to to be a little bit [TS]

01:12:43   and you can do the same thing with you know you know with like Hanks videos you can go through [TS]

01:12:48   and find old videos of Hank looking dominant put that on the news [TS]

01:12:51   but look at the view to interview the president he has to try to skip a rant it wasn't because he's banks quite well [TS]

01:12:56   known for his sort of passionate rants about things that he's you know he's he's causing things [TS]

01:13:01   and that's exactly it so you can show a three second out of context clip of Hank being really ranting about something [TS]

01:13:08   and make him look like a fool but you know you can see there's nobody on youtube [TS]

01:13:11   but you couldn't do that with you know you could take you could take any section of this podcast [TS]

01:13:15   and just cut it out of out of order and make it look like an idiot. [TS]

01:13:18   You wouldn't even need to take it out of context with us. [TS]

01:13:21   It was the last part cast really banks kind of main point was about legitimacy [TS]

01:13:29   and how if if you're looking at particularly the younger demographics that they just don't view kind of mainstream news [TS]

01:13:38   as having any any legitimacy. [TS]

01:13:41   And like it or not younger people have developed a relationship with people like Hank [TS]

01:13:48   and with other You Tubers because I mean particularly with the blog you see them two times every week you know you kind [TS]

01:13:55   of you know who they are you build up a relationship with them over time of watching. [TS]

01:14:00   You know what they're like [TS]

01:14:02   and so it's not surprising that many people would be really interested to see an interview with people that they feel [TS]

01:14:09   they have some kind of connection with talking to the president and I just want to look it up actually. [TS]

01:14:15   And right now because the interview was uploaded to whitehouse dot gov And at the moment it is it is the sixth most [TS]

01:14:24   popular video on the channel and it's sixth with a bullet because it was uploaded five days ago [TS]

01:14:31   and it has three million views. [TS]

01:14:32   The number one video has seven million views and it is from two years ago and all the video the top at our one year [TS]

01:14:40   or older. [TS]

01:14:41   Like how many how many people watch an interview with the president on a regular news rashly I wonder how many people [TS]

01:14:49   watch the presidential debates. I liked what he had to say. [TS]

01:14:52   I think he's you know he talked a bit about how the mainstream media has this legacy of being like the big the the go [TS]

01:14:59   to people [TS]

01:15:00   and they've just shot themselves in the foot over time in how I feel Hank was saying you know these days people with [TS]

01:15:06   the authorities and just with all the things they do over the years and years I've lost and new people have come along. [TS]

01:15:13   Lucky cheaters [TS]

01:15:14   and have fueled it so much if you keep it to fill the vacuum of kind of trusted people because young people just don't [TS]

01:15:23   trust. [TS]

01:15:24   The news channels so much anymore because they've just you know betrayed them a few too many times I think [TS]

01:15:33   and you know it makes sense you know makes you know of course a politician is going to utilize that land [TS]

01:15:39   and use that as an as an as a way to get to these audiences I think that's completely valid. [TS]

01:15:46   What what a politician would exploit that and you know the president said that himself didn't [TS]

01:15:51   and at the end of the kind of the interview he said Thanks Guys thanks for letting me get to your audience [TS]

01:15:56   and tell them talk to them and of course the yeshivas. [TS]

01:16:00   Going to take the opportunity because as you know the president has been beneficial to both parties. [TS]

01:16:07   None of the people doing the interview aren't necessarily making claims that they are objective journalists. [TS]

01:16:15   They Hank was being really clear about that this is not his. [TS]

01:16:17   His role in the interview that he was just going in as a citizen and doing an interview [TS]

01:16:25   but he wasn't going in there pretending to or genuinely trying to be some kind of completely objective person [TS]

01:16:34   and I mean obviously he's very he came across as very I thought I thought his questions were excellent. [TS]

01:16:39   But at the end of the she came across as very pro Obama. [TS]

01:16:43   Yeah but his his underlying point was that people can connect with that more. [TS]

01:16:50   It's more honest is not Hank They want much more of it so that he wore he wore on his sleeves not like sort of Fox who [TS]

01:16:56   obviously has an agenda but they never say it like [TS]

01:16:59   but it's so we're as heck was very honest he's not pro about it I will ask you a few difficult questions because I want [TS]

01:17:06   answers to these things when I do go back to America and I see American T.V. [TS]

01:17:11   News you know having been separated from it for years. [TS]

01:17:14   It just seems so appalling [TS]

01:17:17   and I do I do find it just almost offensive how much American news goes out of its way to tell you how objective it is [TS]

01:17:26   and it is just so obviously not objective. [TS]

01:17:30   Play it like you have to experience this just constant cognitive dissonance when you're watching. Most American T.V. [TS]

01:17:37   News Hank doing an interview [TS]

01:17:39   or you can totally understand why people would be interested in seeing it because like I know this person is I have [TS]

01:17:44   some sense of where they stand and they're not pretending to be something that they're not. Anyway so there you go. [TS]

01:17:52   You can read Hanks article. You can even watch an interview the president and you know is maybe next year it will be. [TS]

01:17:59   Hello Internet. The cold up to meet the president and do the interview sounds like a lot of hassle. [TS]

01:18:04   Would you do it if you go fast. I don't know. Maybe men your parents would be so disappointed if you didn't. [TS]

01:18:18   OK You know that's not how I make decisions I think it would depend on a lot of the particulars I'm not sure I would be [TS]

01:18:25   a good interviewer Anyway I don't think you would [TS]

01:18:28   but you should do it I don't think I would be appropriate after what after watching after watching [TS]

01:18:33   and I don't think I'd be the right. [TS]

01:18:35   Because Still the questions which is so important and like and kind of with [TS]

01:18:41   and I have to say as far as interviews with the president goes I enjoyed this one more than almost any other one of [TS]

01:18:48   watch it was really good [TS]

01:18:49   but I just want to ask you from stuff I would love to see a Brady interview the president video because you always ask [TS]

01:18:57   these great questions like for example [TS]

01:18:59   when the president first sat down with Hank Hank made some joke about Thanks for having me in your house [TS]

01:19:04   and sort of stuff and the president of the company got two years left on the place and I hope I get my deposit back. [TS]

01:19:10   And some come and I thought it looked after and I just got cracking on the important issues of weapons and marijuana [TS]

01:19:17   and stuff but I would like to ask him Have you ever broken anything in the house but have you gone to open a door [TS]

01:19:24   or something and the handle broke [TS]

01:19:26   or have you ever spilled something on a nice carpet like that because this is really sacred this building you have to [TS]

01:19:33   rattle around in and I don't want to ask him stuff about the White House [TS]

01:19:36   and I would love to see your interview with the man of the people get really mad at that I would say the reason people [TS]

01:19:42   say you shouldn't have a You Tube interview the president because it'll be like you got these fifteen minutes of the [TS]

01:19:47   president and you wasted on you know all this trivia [TS]

01:19:51   and you should've been asking him about you know the big issues of the day [TS]

01:19:54   and I'm like well he's always being asked about the big issues of the day I want to know you like. Other stuff. [TS]

01:20:01   I completely agree. Like spilling stuff. [TS]

01:20:04   I would be worried about that one of things I think about at the desk that the presidents have. [TS]

01:20:08   Yes it's for some reason I woke up and discovered that I was the president of America. [TS]

01:20:13   Step one would be OK look we need to get the desk out of here because I need to work on this thing [TS]

01:20:19   and I don't want to be worried about spilling coffee on this ink this historical object has been around forever. [TS]

01:20:26   But give me some other debts that I can work at for photo shoots will bring this thing in [TS]

01:20:30   and find you know whatever you have to be sitting at the desk. [TS]

01:20:32   But on a day to day basis I want something different they don't have to worry about every time I see that ask I think I [TS]

01:20:39   could not work on that surface I would be very nervous about it. You know presidents actually do. [TS]

01:20:43   Maybe it's only there for the photo shoot. That's what I would want to know. [TS]

01:20:46   Yeah I mean my question is do you really work at that with your morning routine like. [TS]

01:20:51   I don't think we're going to get the cold up and I have to say I was I was impressed but I know I was impressed but. [TS]

01:20:58   How did you know I had asked him a few questions but I think I was good and I was impressed by the S.S. [TS]

01:21:03   I enjoyed it I enjoyed it. [TS]

01:21:05   Well John hack you can do it again next year [TS]

01:21:09   and it's loaded into an annual annual thing with Hank because I'll just be asking him all sorts of stupid stuff about [TS]

01:21:15   being left handed and stuff. [TS]

01:21:17   If anybody who listened to this Perkins has connections to the White House now [TS]

01:21:21   or in the future if you bring your Brady on that list maybe we should get him on the podcast. Do we do. [TS]

01:21:28   Guests on this pod cast I don't think we do make an exception for him. [TS]

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01:23:04   We're now actually going to try to talk about You Tube a little bit. [TS]

01:23:06   Wow amazing I don't know if I have anything to say I don't have much about You Tube [TS]

01:23:11   and some who are so out of the news cycle because of our recording schedule that by the time it goes up I don't know [TS]

01:23:17   maybe things will have changed the thing I think I want to talk about was this article by Keating do you know is that [TS]

01:23:26   we Keating Are you aware of. [TS]

01:23:27   She's a musician not a quest excess with musician on You Tube and so are we kidding is this musician [TS]

01:23:33   and I was looking through my i Tunes purchases [TS]

01:23:37   and as far as I can tell she is the only person that I have ever bought a complete album from what I really like that [TS]

01:23:46   we Keating's music and her stuff is my default go to [TS]

01:23:50   when I want something to listen to that doesn't have English lyrics in it it is her playing the cello looped over [TS]

01:23:56   itself a whole bunch of times. Yeah I was trying to get her to describe it. [TS]

01:24:00   The other thing I can come up with is modern classical music [TS]

01:24:04   but I mean modern in all of the all of the best possible way. [TS]

01:24:09   I really like your I highly recommend her music and yes the only the only albums I have ever bought and bought [TS]

01:24:15   and listened when I last one came out into the trees [TS]

01:24:18   when I thought I got a new album is going to buy it I don't even need to listen to what I write and I really like it. [TS]

01:24:23   High price but she didn't write this article about what it's like making modern classical music. [TS]

01:24:28   Last summer I was trying to get a little background on her. [TS]

01:24:30   I'm going about this kind of you know I'm shepherding Yeah I'm shepherding you along. Thank you very much. [TS]

01:24:35   Kind of Hiero here it is your role here and I'm also terrible at this. [TS]

01:24:38   Basically get to the point that she wrote this article called What should I do about You Tube. [TS]

01:24:44   The bottom line is she puts her music up on You Tube We think of You Tube as a video platform [TS]

01:24:52   but him in very many ways You Tube is actually a music platform. [TS]

01:24:57   If you actually just look at the view numbers music dominates by this enormous amount I mean in the eyes of each week [TS]

01:25:07   we don't think just because we think we're the center of the universe but very occasionally you get this glimpse [TS]

01:25:12   when you cheapen things and in the eyes of each other there's always musicians and then maybe some gamers and stuff [TS]

01:25:19   but always music making the most money and we have just nothing like people making videos that we make. [TS]

01:25:25   It's a process I even pick up the phone to us. [TS]

01:25:27   We're so small I would love to know the exact breakdown [TS]

01:25:31   but I would not be the least bit surprised if somebody at You Tube says ninety [TS]

01:25:36   or ninety five percent of our advertising revenue comes from people watching music videos everything else right from [TS]

01:25:42   pupae down to the tiniest bloggers is less than five percent of our revenue. You know I would be not surprised at all. [TS]

01:25:50   Yeah because when you look at how much the music is listen to it is just phenomenal. [TS]

01:25:55   So You Tube is really a music service that incidentally shows video. [TS]

01:26:00   And so not surprisingly You Tube has been working on developing a platform to to leverage this. [TS]

01:26:09   So they have this it's called Google music service now or You Tube music service [TS]

01:26:14   and the idea is that people can sign up to pay for the You Tube music service [TS]

01:26:20   and they get some premium features one of which is that there won't be ads on their music videos if they're signed up [TS]

01:26:26   for the service which I think makes good financial sense. [TS]

01:26:29   Like my my my wife uses youtube almost exclusively to listen to music which I find interesting [TS]

01:26:35   and she does use it so differently than I do and I hate it when he had come on [TS]

01:26:40   and I feel I guess I would happily have her paid to go on to the service so that when we're just listening to music [TS]

01:26:45   and she's running it on these these automatically generated playlists on You Tube We don't have that that would be [TS]

01:26:49   great. So it's in the consumer side of it. [TS]

01:26:51   But so what happened with Zoe Keating is that You Tube approached her [TS]

01:26:55   and said hey if you're going to put your music on You Tube You have to agree to all of our terms [TS]

01:27:01   and you have to be part of this You Tube music service. Yeah. [TS]

01:27:05   And the bullet point for the terms are one that all of the music that you have on you tube. Must be monetized. [TS]

01:27:14   It has to run ads for the people who don't join the music service. [TS]

01:27:19   So like musicians could not put up their music [TS]

01:27:22   and say you know what I don't want to have ads I just want to do album sales. [TS]

01:27:25   Now you know you have to have ads on the video because presumably You Tube wants to provide an incentive for people to [TS]

01:27:31   sign up for the music service. [TS]

01:27:32   The second thing which is the really big deal is that all of the music must be on You Tube so she can't decide to say [TS]

01:27:40   oh mommy going to put up my old music on You Tube Now everything has to be on You Tube that she makes [TS]

01:27:46   and any time she releases anywhere else she has to release the music at the same time on youtube. [TS]

01:27:54   So this is basically a a like a no exclusivity deal if she something that she might want to do. [TS]

01:28:00   Which is something like something I wish I could do is hey I would love to be able to give the music to the people who [TS]

01:28:06   supported me first like that we Keating was to say oh here I made this new album. [TS]

01:28:11   People who directly paid to help me you get to listen to it first. [TS]

01:28:14   Now as soon as it's available it has to also be available on You Tube so you can't do any exclusive things [TS]

01:28:21   and then the final one which to me is the mindblowing one is she has to sign a contract with You Tube to agree to these [TS]

01:28:29   terms for five years or five years so that's good at least two shows Google doesn't know something about an asteroid [TS]

01:28:39   and telling us I guess now I mean like maybe people don't think that these are draconian terms they are really limiting [TS]

01:28:47   that for an artist. They're basically saying you can't do anything special. [TS]

01:28:53   Anywhere else she has a different account to us doesn't she she has like a musician's You Tube account. [TS]

01:28:58   Yeah it's the perks of the musician's account that we don't have. What's what's she getting in exchange for this. [TS]

01:29:03   She's get it because they can. She's getting something we don't get isn't she. [TS]

01:29:07   Presumably she is going to get a cut of the money that comes from You Tube's music service. [TS]

01:29:12   Yeah I don't know any of the details of that it would be insanity if she wasn't of course here [TS]

01:29:17   but if she doesn't do this if she says Thanks for the offer [TS]

01:29:20   but I was going to keep doing what I've normally been doing that's not an option for her as well apparently she's [TS]

01:29:24   either all in or she's off You Tube entirely [TS]

01:29:27   and it's a big it's a big deal because it's obvious that we Keating is the one who wrote this up [TS]

01:29:33   but this is this is obviously You Tube's plan for all music on the site. [TS]

01:29:38   You make music you want to put it up on You Tube You are going to be sucked into their music program [TS]

01:29:43   and then suddenly you can't do any kind of special deals anywhere else if you want to put up your music without ads [TS]

01:29:49   tough luck you can't you have to put up with it with ads [TS]

01:29:52   and you have to be locked in for five years I can understand if I said you can't put on another video. [TS]

01:29:58   But to not be allowed to run. [TS]

01:30:00   I'm going to say oh well I'm not going to release this one into a video I saw [TS]

01:30:03   and it's going to I'm just going to sell it on i Tunes or on my own personal site. Yeah. [TS]

01:30:08   Nope it's all your music are belong to us. So the five year thing to me seems really just crazy limiting. [TS]

01:30:17   I look back on my career [TS]

01:30:18   and actually is it in just a couple days it will be my four year anniversary on You Tube from uploading that U.K. [TS]

01:30:25   Video. [TS]

01:30:26   So like five years going forward is longer than I have been a professional You Tuber [TS]

01:30:32   and that whole thing you know didn't start very long before me. Five years is forever on the Internet. Yeah. [TS]

01:30:38   Internet yours are Fibonacci dog years so stick with me on the phone for a second. [TS]

01:30:46   You've already got me good so a dog year is seven years and the Fibonacci sequence is [TS]

01:30:51   when you keep summing up the previous results. Yeah one year is seven years. Two years is fourteen years. [TS]

01:30:59   I'm pretending like zero seven. Just stick with me for a second. [TS]

01:31:02   Two years fourteen years three years on the internet though is the sum of the previous two. [TS]

01:31:09   So in twenty one years in an in real life for Internet years then is thirty five years [TS]

01:31:17   and five Internet years from my perspective is like fifty six years in the normal world. [TS]

01:31:23   Not an army [TS]

01:31:23   and I think maybe you slug ever started a case where I don't think I have slightly overstated the case I think five [TS]

01:31:28   years being fifty years is about the same I have been doing this for about five or five years. [TS]

01:31:35   You had you had a whole life time and I don't feel like a fifty six years but I'll give you twenty years. [TS]

01:31:40   Here's here's a reason why I think about it this way. [TS]

01:31:42   I have companies come to me with some terrible business proposal and you know they want me to sign something [TS]

01:31:50   and it's for Internet business for three years or five years or whatever and I would just [TS]

01:31:56   and I would never sign that kind of contract because. [TS]

01:32:00   Just the massive massive opportunity cost of not knowing what is going to be the situation on the internet five years [TS]

01:32:09   from now. [TS]

01:32:10   I just think things change so fast on the Internet that you you can't promise anything five years from now I mean your [TS]

01:32:20   cat is but you told me about a deal you did recently where you said OK let's try it for a month and you did. [TS]

01:32:25   And after a week you were like I need out of this. So we don't we don't we don't have to be specific about that. [TS]

01:32:35   But but yes there there was a business arrangement where I refused to commit for more than thirty days [TS]

01:32:42   and seven days into it I wanted out. [TS]

01:32:45   So yes that that happens and in the gray system that was a good two [TS]

01:32:50   or three year relationship you know it's like that's exactly like I should figure out what that is that is about as far [TS]

01:32:57   as I'm concerned [TS]

01:32:59   but I guess I just think like trying to project forward into the future like that is just is just crazy I mean you [TS]

01:33:03   think about the music business or just how people make a living on the Internet. [TS]

01:33:08   How how much of that has changed in the last five years [TS]

01:33:11   and then to to commit to a system where you can't do anything really exclusive for five years into the future. [TS]

01:33:20   That's just it's just crazy it's is way too much to ask. [TS]

01:33:24   It's way too much to ask I don't know I mean were they offering her like a big bucket load of money from the start [TS]

01:33:29   or was not that's crazy. Especially on something as something speculative. [TS]

01:33:34   The impression that I get is that no they're not being offered anything if you want to make your music on You Tube You [TS]

01:33:40   have to you have to get into the system. What's what do I take from this great Come on. [TS]

01:33:45   Obviously the five to five years obviously is sticking in your core here [TS]

01:33:49   but let's let's get to the you know if I if I'm being fair about it. [TS]

01:33:54   You Tube is not You Tube has every right to do this. You Tube is a company and they're offering a service. [TS]

01:34:02   They host your videos they host my videos. [TS]

01:34:05   The number of things I don't have to worry about because You Tube takes care of it is a lot you know I want to try to [TS]

01:34:10   host my own videos in that this is like a big hassle. [TS]

01:34:13   So You Tube is a company that offers a service [TS]

01:34:16   and in some sense well they can do what they want with it if they want to change the way music operates on their [TS]

01:34:22   service. Well you don't pay anything for You Tube It's just a question of do you think this is worth it or not. [TS]

01:34:28   No they're get they're giving her they're giving her this this moment [TS]

01:34:31   and they're giving all musicians really is a moment of it's my way or the highway. They have every right to do that. [TS]

01:34:37   But all this makes me think it is. [TS]

01:34:39   I've been coming more and more to this conclusion [TS]

01:34:41   and I really feel that strongly now that good God does the Internet need a real competitor to You Tube This is this is [TS]

01:34:49   kind of my my thought on this is like a You Tube can feel pretty confident. [TS]

01:34:55   Forcing people into a terrible deal because there's no there's no competition really that exists right now. [TS]

01:35:05   Because if if there was some kind of viable competition for You Tube they wouldn't feel as comfortable as comfortable [TS]

01:35:12   just offering the blanket deals. You Tube is there. [TS]

01:35:18   Everyone knows I like economics right so there's this funny situation where You Tube is kind of a monopoly that if you [TS]

01:35:26   want to watch videos You Tube is really the place to go. [TS]

01:35:30   But they're also this thing which is called a monopsony which is an economic term for [TS]

01:35:37   when there is only one buyer of something but there are very many producers. That's also a really terrible situation. [TS]

01:35:46   But You Tube is a monopsony in the sense that there are very many people like us. [TS]

01:35:51   Like many musicians who produce content in video form. But if you want to make any money off of you. Or productions. [TS]

01:36:01   Really the only buyer of those products in town is You Tube and it's just it's just not a good situation. [TS]

01:36:10   I would genuinely wish that there was a competitor to You Tube And I think that competition make would make everybody [TS]

01:36:17   better off. I think it would it would provide incentives to You Tube to improve their system. [TS]

01:36:21   It would provide incentives to the competitor to improve their system. [TS]

01:36:25   That's what I was really sad [TS]

01:36:26   when we mentioned several episodes ago that we heard you know whispers on the wind that Yahoo was going to create a [TS]

01:36:32   youtube competitor and that that seems to have gone nowhere. [TS]

01:36:37   I was genuinely hoping that that was real that that Yahoo would announce OK we have we have some competition to to put [TS]

01:36:44   into the market but that seems to me that seems to not be the case so far. [TS]

01:36:48   Clearly we're saying Facebook May he moves away because Facebook Not only are they pushing their video harder [TS]

01:36:54   and harder they're pushing they're beginning to push You Tube or Facebook in funny kinds of ways and it's harder [TS]

01:37:00   and harder to get your own You Tube videos on Facebook so. [TS]

01:37:03   Like as I say I think I mean don't don't start me on the problems with Facebook [TS]

01:37:08   and watch destines freebasing video we talked about earlier and that summarizes my attitude to Facebook and video. [TS]

01:37:15   But putting putting the freebooting thing aside. Yeah Facebook is obviously getting into the video business. [TS]

01:37:20   Yeah and this to me is is even worse. Oh OK Well You Tube takes a huge portion of the advertising money. [TS]

01:37:29   You Tube has a big big amount of control over the market. [TS]

01:37:34   But Facebook's business seems to be oh you can upload your video to Facebook please do that. [TS]

01:37:40   We're just going to keep all of them like that surely that's a precursor to that changing. [TS]

01:37:45   Surely the plan is going to pay they're going to as it becomes more popular. Maybe it's not on Facebook pretty rubbish. [TS]

01:37:53   Face Facebook is terrible and it doesn't it doesn't fill me with hope when they're clearly getting in. [TS]

01:38:00   As a video business [TS]

01:38:01   but the starting point is you get zero percent of the money if you make a video for you to kind of split it with with [TS]

01:38:10   You Tube But Facebook is just like I don't want to take all of it you will get none of the advertising revenue you will [TS]

01:38:16   just be happy to have the views that that video game. Hope you hope you enjoy those. [TS]

01:38:21   So so Facebook is kind of worse than a Facebook turns out to be the You Tube competitor I'm not sure that that's a huge [TS]

01:38:28   that's a huge improvement. [TS]

01:38:29   I don't know about you I think you fall into this category and I definitely fall into this category that [TS]

01:38:34   when I started on You Tube views was all I wanted when I started getting money it wasn't even an option yet [TS]

01:38:41   and one day about this email saying I do want to start you know going to be his partner program [TS]

01:38:45   and I'm like I don't even know what this is I didn't know this was a thing so. [TS]

01:38:50   So to save I mean maybe at the start maybe Facebook is going through what you went through. [TS]

01:38:55   Obviously you know they were in a moment you a sense in the day just at the moment these are all people one [TS]

01:39:01   and then later on it'll be well OK now it's time to share the love kind of like You Tube Did you know start it was just [TS]

01:39:08   people were just happy for them to have their videos on the Internet and then suddenly I know I realize now people [TS]

01:39:14   when people stop putting videos on the Internet they're thinking money from the start [TS]

01:39:17   but a lot of people don't just didn't used to start that way. That's true but we're also at a different situation. [TS]

01:39:23   I am not one hundred percent sure. [TS]

01:39:26   How much advertising was on You Tube But still you're right whereas Facebook is starting with advertising everywhere. [TS]

01:39:33   Yeah as I'm you know [TS]

01:39:35   when I started as well the partner program was invitation only which is which is not the case anymore. [TS]

01:39:40   It was [TS]

01:39:40   and I got an automated email from You Tube saying that my first video had Ted trip their system of a video getting too [TS]

01:39:46   popular and even then it was back in the back in the day kids. I could only monetize that video. [TS]

01:39:54   I wasn't even approved to monetize everything. So you two have really limited ads as far as I can remember. [TS]

01:40:00   Part I like the rest of my videos did not have ads on them where very different positions here [TS]

01:40:05   and Facebook already gobbling up all the all the money and then [TS]

01:40:08   when I want to suddenly start sharing if some viable competitor to You Tube came along I would feel like yes I would be [TS]

01:40:15   very happy to upload my videos to them as well. [TS]

01:40:18   But with Facebook it's like boy if I have if I have to choose between the two of you are not using Facebook because [TS]

01:40:26   that's that's an even that's an even worse Dowrick you haven't got a choice people to steal your videos [TS]

01:40:30   and put them on Facebook now anyway. Yes You know I'm already on Facebook search for me I love it. [TS]

01:40:36   People always mention when this when this topic comes up is people talk about Vimeo. [TS]

01:40:40   Yes So really clarify for people though you know is an interesting service [TS]

01:40:45   but they are they are the exact reverse of You Tube in that they're the people who use Vimeo behave in MEO. [TS]

01:40:55   That's how they make their money. [TS]

01:40:57   So if you want to host videos on Vimeo you can pay me Oh so that you can have more videos at one time on their service [TS]

01:41:07   and I think that you can pay to have your videos processed faster [TS]

01:41:11   and I think you need to pay to have your videos shown in H.T.M.L. [TS]

01:41:14   One hundred percent sure but people always say why don't you use them you know [TS]

01:41:18   and I think that's why because video is more like a like a portfolio for people who want to show off a limited number [TS]

01:41:25   of videos in a like an exclusive way. What's the incentive that you haven't got over that. [TS]

01:41:30   Crap around I have to say that I think that it just kind of looks nice IMO I'm aware sometimes if I go to a big [TS]

01:41:36   company's website [TS]

01:41:37   and they've just bedded a You Tube video I often feel like boy that looks a little ghetto that just looks good [TS]

01:41:43   and looks awful on your site is classier teased in the air I can say the You Tube user it is totally classier to use [TS]

01:41:50   them you know if you're a company trying to play a video. [TS]

01:41:53   Yeah and to me it was a great compromise because too many companies also then try to go too far [TS]

01:41:57   and host their own video as I don't do. Or that you just go with him you know it just looks nicer. [TS]

01:42:02   Yeah but then if you're a big company you pay to have that video on video and you pay to have it you know show knife [TS]

01:42:09   and it's always there. [TS]

01:42:10   So they they can't be an option for people like us who make money on the fact that lots of people watch our videos they [TS]

01:42:19   would just be a would be a money would be a money think it would be a money generator. [TS]

01:42:24   There is the big solution going to pay sourcing the ads yourself [TS]

01:42:28   and saying this E G P Very has brought to you by McDonald's and you just getting McDonald's to give you the money [TS]

01:42:34   and put it in your hand and then putting it on Facebook where millions and millions of people say it [TS]

01:42:38   and Facebook take a little bit on the side where they're running their crappy ads next to I mean is that the future is [TS]

01:42:44   the future doing the ads yourself which is starting to happen. [TS]

01:42:47   Obviously you know if it's one of these things we're going to talk about the You Tube business the split between [TS]

01:42:54   creators and You Tube is forty five fifty five percent so creators keep fifty five percent of revenue [TS]

01:42:59   and You Tube keeps forty five percent and that number is very high [TS]

01:43:04   and also those ads are worth very little on any particular view. We're not allowed to divulge the exact numbers but. [TS]

01:43:14   This is this is why if you want to make a living purely from the You Tube advertising you need to hit big numbers every [TS]

01:43:24   month like shockingly big numbers. Do you have a middle class lifestyle. [TS]

01:43:31   Like I you know I have spreadsheets like I keep track of all of this. [TS]

01:43:34   The numbers take people's breath away [TS]

01:43:37   when you talk about how many views is equal to how much how much money I bring all of that up simply to say this is one [TS]

01:43:44   of the reasons why you see You Tubers turn to things like crowd funding [TS]

01:43:51   and it's why they turn to things like sponsors in their own videos because that kind of stuff makes much more of a day. [TS]

01:44:00   Friends [TS]

01:44:00   and it's the very fact that people can do that that kind of gives me hope for the possibility of a genuine U two competitor [TS]

01:44:11   to arise one day. [TS]

01:44:13   Yeah if you could generate a large enough audience that are in the videos themselves can support creators [TS]

01:44:22   and people are willing to support creators through crowd funding as well [TS]

01:44:26   and I also just think a competitor could just simply undercut you too I don't know the details with server costs [TS]

01:44:32   and bandwidth costs which must just be gigantic. But Apple gets by on their thirty percent. [TS]

01:44:38   Could a youtube competitor come by [TS]

01:44:40   and say oh we're only going to take thirty percent of the advertising revenue instead of forty five percent. [TS]

01:44:45   I would I would feel like that might be possible. Would you jump ship. [TS]

01:44:49   You've got so many subscribers on You Tube and you can just transfer that audience to something. [TS]

01:44:54   Yeah yeah because I wouldn't jump ship. [TS]

01:44:57   What if they spot if they put the five year handcuffs on me so I said great five years. [TS]

01:45:04   Only you know what the video service or no more video than your account place. Yeah that would be interesting. [TS]

01:45:11   That heavy and by [TS]

01:45:12   and according to you that people are within their rights their business they can do it I would say they would be well [TS]

01:45:18   within their rights to ask for that. Not at all you know what. No they wouldn't. [TS]

01:45:24   There's a good faith thing going on here you know I know they're a business [TS]

01:45:28   and they're not like a you know a you know provider of service like water or something. [TS]

01:45:34   But there's still a good faith thing going on here [TS]

01:45:37   and they are big enough now that that would I don't agree I feel like it would be a super scummy thing to do. [TS]

01:45:44   But they're clearly doing that with with you know musicians already if you two came to me tomorrow [TS]

01:45:50   and said You have to sign a five year contract with us we're going to give you no benefit whatsoever [TS]

01:45:55   but you have to promise to be non-exclusive with us for the next five years. [TS]

01:46:00   I would seriously scramble for other alternatives. [TS]

01:46:03   I might actually just say screw it I will go to Vimeo and I will I will try to depend on crowd funding [TS]

01:46:12   and inbuilt ads just immediately because a five year contract to me is just crazy. [TS]

01:46:17   I feel like I could not I couldn't possibly sign a contract that was five years long. [TS]

01:46:20   I don't even know what I'm having for dinner in twenty minutes. [TS]

01:46:23   What are we doing in five years I would like to stay on You Tube I feel no reason to leave [TS]

01:46:28   but one of the things I mean in this is is this a conflict of interest I don't know but I like I have I have P.T. [TS]

01:46:33   On support and some will support [TS]

01:46:36   and one of the things I have often wished that I could do is is what I said at the beginning is I wish there was some [TS]

01:46:42   way that I could give the video to my supporters first. [TS]

01:46:46   Like I tried to work that out a whole lot [TS]

01:46:49   and I've never quite found a way I like to work on my number for a picture I just I upload it unlisted [TS]

01:46:55   and sometimes I just send them the link the picture on supporters at a certain level I say he's the next member of our [TS]

01:47:00   video making it public in two days. You guys can watch it now. [TS]

01:47:06   Yeah I mean I so I sort of do that with my with my mailing list. [TS]

01:47:10   Sometimes the problem is I'm I can only do that for a few hours just to make sure that there's not some kind of huge [TS]

01:47:18   problem like you know what I mean is is there not some kind of problem in the video itself. [TS]

01:47:24   OK but I but I but I can see through through like my own sub Reddit that even [TS]

01:47:28   when I put it on listed it gets submitted just like immediately. So that's the kind of problem. [TS]

01:47:36   But if there was some technical way to to show it directly to my page on its supporters first I would totally love to [TS]

01:47:43   do that. But like the You Tube Music situation would expressly forbid that. [TS]

01:47:48   Today I know you and anything you release you have to release on us at the same time [TS]

01:47:53   and I just feel like man even though I can't technically do that that clause is just it is death. There's another. [TS]

01:48:00   A subtlety in this is a I realize this is a bit of a fringe case [TS]

01:48:03   but I'm sure you could expand into a bigger case if you are creative [TS]

01:48:07   and this is something that happened with me I have heard a number fall for example [TS]

01:48:12   when it first started was funded some seed funding from You Tube This was years ago now but it was nice [TS]

01:48:18   and part of the agreement was that I put ads on the videos and you kept the money [TS]

01:48:25   and that's how they made their money back and it gave me a chance to start a new channel [TS]

01:48:29   and it was very successful so I'm eternally grateful for them [TS]

01:48:33   but sometimes I would do a video where I thought it would be inappropriate to have advertising on them an example would [TS]

01:48:40   be if someone died and you were making like an a picture of your attribute [TS]

01:48:43   or you were doing something that was charitable just a video where you felt like it would be really crass to put [TS]

01:48:48   advertising on this video. [TS]

01:48:51   And I contacted I would I would contact you and say look I know this is the do [TS]

01:48:56   but we can put ads in this video it's just not right and they were always completely fine with it. [TS]

01:49:01   They were like Yeah of course yeah. They put ads in that video. [TS]

01:49:04   We completely understand and of course I don't care because it's in the law [TS]

01:49:07   and they are not like you know Taylor Swift or something [TS]

01:49:10   but I can imagine signing one of these deals could put you in an interesting position where sometimes you just don't [TS]

01:49:16   want to have advertising on your video. Sometimes it would just spoiler it seems inappropriate. [TS]

01:49:21   Yeah and I wonder whether [TS]

01:49:22   or not these these new handcuffs that I think talked about could create problems there as well. [TS]

01:49:27   When it when it becomes less of a one on one relationship and you can no longer just email someone [TS]

01:49:31   and say you know can I have an exception. You know it's going to get it's going to get messy. [TS]

01:49:36   Shootings later with my own fund raising so I don't have advertising on either of the videos where I'm talking about [TS]

01:49:41   the fund raising. Oh that would be ridiculous. [TS]

01:49:44   Yeah and because it's like you said it would just be just be crass to do that it would just be so disrespectful and [TS]

01:49:51   when Zoe Keating talks about she has to have her music monetized [TS]

01:49:54   but I wonder about is because I do the fundraisers one of the big things. [TS]

01:50:00   Do as I turn off pop up ads on all of my videos. [TS]

01:50:03   Yeah and I feel like that's a fair trade off where people are directly supporting me [TS]

01:50:09   and there's a kind of advertising that I think is particularly intrusive [TS]

01:50:14   and so that's kind of the promise you've made and that was kind of the carrot you dangled when you define race [TS]

01:50:18   and you said if you help me in this way I'll help you in this way and not put these stupid pop up ads on. [TS]

01:50:23   Yeah that's it that's exactly it yeah. [TS]

01:50:25   And everything about this You Tube contract takes away any sort of flexibility [TS]

01:50:30   and I feel like you know I feel a lot better that I don't have the stupid pop up ads on my videos [TS]

01:50:35   and I know that tons of people support me because of that but I don't have those those bottom third ads [TS]

01:50:41   but if you two came along I said Now if you going to monetize it it has to be everything. [TS]

01:50:45   So OK Well you know this is this is a this is a problem. They have so much power to tell you because they can. [TS]

01:50:50   They could also say well OK if you don't sign on to the the You Tube go deluxe five year contract we're no longer going [TS]

01:50:58   to deliver to your subscribers so we're no longer going to recommend your videos as all these different ways they could. [TS]

01:51:03   Punitively punishing this article definitely caught my attention because of all of these things [TS]

01:51:07   and as it directly relates to our living like all of the people I just I love that people can create videos just in [TS]

01:51:15   their house they can put them on the Internet and everybody can watch them like this whole system is is great [TS]

01:51:20   and is wish there was more diversity in providers that it wasn't just on You Tube [TS]

01:51:24   and sort of like we were saying before how You Tube is actually just primarily a music service [TS]

01:51:30   and incidentally a video service. [TS]

01:51:33   I kind of hope [TS]

01:51:34   and wonder that that they won't actually be bothered to implement anything like this for the video creator because [TS]

01:51:41   where the minorites. [TS]

01:51:42   That's exactly like it doesn't it doesn't matter that it's not even worth it to them to set up some kind of system that [TS]

01:51:48   they would try to long for the administration of the contracts wouldn't be working and I think that's exactly or [TS]

01:51:54   or just like the rabble rousing like who wants to deal with this headache of listening to all these. [TS]

01:52:00   People complain especially great has the ear of the president. Youtube bloggers a direct line to the White House. [TS]

01:52:07   I'm actually kind of hoping that that's the case but [TS]

01:52:09   but I you know that the music thing really has me thinking you know it's you know there's some other stuff I can't [TS]

01:52:14   quite talk about but it like there's a lot of there's a lot of behind the scenes changes going on in my own business [TS]

01:52:20   and boy does this article just makes me think like man I'm kind of wary of You Tube just in general [TS]

01:52:25   and this makes me wary wary or various more wary. [TS]

01:52:30   It gives me it gives me a lot of sympathy for the you know the part that I listen to which have Apple developers on [TS]

01:52:37   them like Marco on A.T.P. [TS]

01:52:40   or John Gruber on the talk show [TS]

01:52:42   and I have a lot of sympathy for guys who are completely dependent on Apple for their living. [TS]

01:52:48   You know where where Apple can make changes that's the same as the same kind of thing there were Apple runs this whole [TS]

01:52:53   system it at any point they can change any of the rules and you know what. [TS]

01:52:56   It's either you develop for Apple or you don't develop rapport. You have nothing over them really. [TS]

01:53:01   You're just yapping to them and you know and it's very apparent you're very important it's a very scary thing. [TS]

01:53:09   I don't know I mean you should you know Google via sort of the same thing I have always been good to you know that been [TS]

01:53:17   good to us I think it's a nice and I don't know it's a bit like I said I don't know I hope the dog that I love [TS]

01:53:25   and I've had a really good relationship with for a few years isn't going to bite me in the face one day. [TS]

01:53:29   Yes I mean obviously you know I wouldn't I wouldn't be here doing this pod cast right now without you two. [TS]

01:53:35   But this notion is slightly going away but [TS]

01:53:38   when people talk about having having you know a loyalty to the company that you work for [TS]

01:53:43   and I feel like well the company pays your salary [TS]

01:53:46   and it gives you this whole life that you have you have to keep a sharp eye on what the company actually is. [TS]

01:53:51   Yes I was like yes I owe my current career to the fact that You Tube is able to distribute my videos to millions of [TS]

01:53:57   people and most importantly sir. [TS]

01:54:00   Have ads in front of those videos I don't you know I don't have to be involved in any of that [TS]

01:54:03   and it just it just works. [TS]

01:54:05   So in that sense I am very grateful to You Tube But you know I'm under under no delusion that You Tube is that You Tube [TS]

01:54:14   didn't didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts they do that because they're a company [TS]

01:54:18   and they make money off of those advertisements as well as a just you know you have to be cautious about. [TS]

01:54:24   You have to be cautious about the thing and I use You Tube because you know it's a beneficial relationship to me [TS]

01:54:31   and you two benefits because they take forty five percent of the advertising revenue which you know is fine high [TS]

01:54:38   but is fine so that that's great [TS]

01:54:40   but I would I would love to see some kind of competitor come into existence of the bottom line to have some sort of [TS]

01:54:48   option. So I don't feel like I'm so dependent on You Tube and other not this monopoly monopsony. [TS]

01:54:59   If you'd like to buy Helaman T. Shirt and you can find the details in the video description you know. [TS]

01:55:07   All joking all joking aside one of the thing I like about podcasts is I live as I like that podcasts are not centrally [TS]

01:55:13   controlled it's it might not be obvious to people who listen to it [TS]

01:55:17   but the podcast world it's there isn't anything like You Tube in the pod cast. It's the Wild West. [TS]

01:55:25   Yeah I mean you know I talked a long time a long time ago I saw a couple episodes [TS]

01:55:30   but how you know I was switching to using e-mail as a way to notify people. [TS]

01:55:34   Boy am I glad of my doing that after seeing this this article. [TS]

01:55:37   But [TS]

01:55:37   but there are like there are really three three technologies that are on the Internet that aren't really controlled by [TS]

01:55:45   anybody and they are the Web protocol for serving web pages. There's e-mail and there's R.S.S. [TS]

01:55:53   Which are all these these agreements which allow information to be transmitted back [TS]

01:55:56   and forth about anybody being in control and. Podcasts are riding on top of that R.S.S. Layer. [TS]

01:56:04   Even if you do even if the letters R S S mean nothing to you. [TS]

01:56:07   This is how your podcast arrives and I love that nobody controls R.S.S. [TS]

01:56:13   and So we don't have to feel like oh boy there's a big company that all the podcast live on and we don't [TS]

01:56:19   and we have to agree to whatever terms they say because otherwise nobody will get our podcasts. [TS]

01:56:23   I use square space to host a podcast but I could I could switch tomorrow [TS]

01:56:27   and you know from people's perspective nothing would change [TS]

01:56:30   and I think that that is that's one thing that makes the podcast world just feels very different. [TS]

01:56:35   There are there are companies that are trying to take over the podcast world and I wish them nothing but ill will [TS]

01:56:42   and bad fortune. [TS]

01:56:44   That's so anyway but that's a different [TS]

01:56:46   and I like that so you don't have to you don't have to buy you should buy halogen a T. [TS]

01:56:51   Shirt just buy a periodic videos T. [TS]

01:56:54   Shirt and a CD if you're a teacher for support of the You Tube I think that the that's a scary one. Yeah yeah. [TS]

01:57:01   But they take it to us. Teachers are nice and we can each sign a letter if we ever do a public event again. [TS]

01:57:09   He signed a letter you know in Alabama if you signed something I would always sign the I advised her that we're not [TS]

01:57:17   paying attention to that I wasn't really you know I don't remember ever signing ahead of expectation that you had [TS]

01:57:22   already signed I think I was usually the first person [TS]

01:57:25   and you know it's because everybody loves Brady That's why they were going over to get the Brady signature no more [TS]

01:57:31   paper we're just getting you to sign as I'm not bringing it to you but we so we've signed a letter on the T. [TS]

01:57:39   Shirt which which one DOS on the H. [TS]

01:57:41   Because I'm paranoid I didn't I didn't really pay much attention to that I think I would actually go for the. [TS]